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The MeatEater Podcast
Ep. 200: ‘Faced on ‘Nog: The Holiday Special
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Steven Rinella talks with Anthony Licata, Ryan Callaghan, Phil Taylor, Mark Kenyon, Samantha Bates, Corinne Schneider, Ben O'Brien, and Janis Putelis. Topics discussed: Trippin' on nutmeg; cutting corn with Doug Duren; Cal as the ultimate elf; how MeatEater's Whiskey makes the best eggnog in the world; Christmas hunting and fishing traditions; why you should buy Kenyon’s new book, "That Wild Country"; Santa reads a hunting poem; Latvian lead throwing as a way to predict your future; and more.
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Speaker 1: Merry Christmas. Everyone, We've got a different kind of podcast experience for you today. Today is our Christmas Extravaganza variety show, SIPs, some egg na talk, holiday hunting traditions, Christmas dishes, worst gifts ever, and Santa Claus may even pass a little visit. Plus we've got our very own meat eater caroling choir singing tunes. So hang around us for grand old time. All right everyone, it's the sum Bitch and Christmas episode. Now, Uh, we're gonna We're gonna do drinks. We're gonna do egg na drinks. We're gonna predict futures. Yanni's gonna guide us through predicting our futures by the Lavian tradition of melting down lead and then thrown into a bucket. That's right. Then you take the lead out once it's cooled, and you hold it up to a light and it casts a hand puppet. Yeah, the buckets got some cold water in it. If anybody's wanting how it cools down and then you make it, hold it up and make a hand puppet with it. That's right. And then the shape tells you what's gonna happen to you. Well, not necessarily shape. But everybody else in the room it's looking at the shape. Well, then tell you what they see in that shape, and tell you what's gonna happen to you next. I'll do I'll do my own thanks. Uh okay uh. And we're also filling in with our special song. And we got a whole big thing to do. Most importantly that we got to run through our introductions. I'm Anthony Locatta. When someone says happy holidays, what comes to your mind? Um, Christmas? When people say that, Christmas comes in mind. But I'm a fourth July man, myself is the perfect holiday for fireworks, hummer bonfires. Doesn't get any better than that. Cal, I'm Ryan Callahan and uh I had Yeah, I enjoy holidays, but I like him for the time off. That's so you like the ones that include some time off. Yeah, where I can go, you know, hunting and fishing, maybe do some cooking and laundry and whatnot. I also wish that everyone who heard this right now could see Cal. Oh, Cal's got a elf get up on with big ears. And I was just having a c w D. I was having a chronic wastion disease conversation with Cal. And there's two things tripped me up. One is it's hard to argue with someone dressed up as the Elf. And two, I was imagining that Cal had all these rein to your friends and that his community was being annihilated by c w D. And in the ways I wish that would impact him emotionally. Yeah, not in your backyard, but in mine. Um. Yeah, So I do think that I like the ideas of like, you don't necessarily need to hear Christmas or Hannik or or whatever when somebody says, hey, happy, It's more like I give enough of a shit about you to say I hope you have a good time doing whatever. Well, what you could start doing is saying, uh, if you're having some time off, I hope you enjoy it, go outside, get enjoy, done, enjoy, enjoy or whatever time off you might be getting from work. Shout that after him. Phil, Hey, yeah, I I think of Christmas. I grew up with Christmas. Um, love the smells, the food, the lights. Ye, hi, Steve, my favorite holiday. When someone says happy holidays, or what am I thinking of? I've already told you Winter Solstice? You that one, Mark Kenyon, Yeah, you stole my thunder there, Mark Kenyon, what you want to say? Go ahead next next, Mark Kenyon here. Uh yeah, I'm a fan of Christmas and being married for whatever you want to celebrate. But I'll say that about Christmas, what I think it's got over a lot of other Fourth of July type holidays is the music. I'm a Christmas music man. You're you're a Billy Joel Man. I got pigeon holed into that unfairly. When someone tell Billy Joel Man, you want to know the rest of my their life when they're talking about music. Do you want to know what I hear? M hmm the piano, man, that's the noise that enters my head when you talk about music. Now that I know you're a Billy Joel Man, here's the thing, like the employment where we said, Mark, what do you like? Mark said, I like Billy Joel. That is not true. That's not what happened. If I do recall, though, you listed off a whole bunch of Billy Joel songs just as many as I could produce during that conversation. Yeah, but I could also list my enemies fair enough. You can listen like the Access Powers during World War two is me not like them Christmas music though you like Christmas? Yeah, I'm with you, Mark, Thank you. Sam. Wait, who's your favorite Christmas artists? Billy Joel's Christmas? I know, Frank Sinatra, that's a good thing, or being Steve's World some more, my old man love because my man Sinatra, well, bright Eyes, blue Eyes Eyes, that's not a bad band, but blue Eyes he never wrote a thing. He never wrote a thing. He just like would interpret people's songs whatever that means. He did it his way. Steve, that's very true, all right, Sam, Hi, my name is Samum. First time on the show, first time on the show right now. But yeah, I mean that's true with anything, that's the first time. Yeah it is. When I think of holidays, I think of Christmas. We were a typical Catholic family and went to church every Christmas. Good for you. Now, I don't get gifts for anyone for Christmas. You you like you. You wanted to strip the commercialism right out of it. Yeah, And I just I'm not really a good gift giver, so I don't really want to like give a gift that everyone's just going to hate anyways. But this year I'm going to make. I should just give um. I'm going to make jerky from my deer this year. You know what my brother made for everybody for Christmas this year? He bought a thing to make. I think he makes fifty tubes at a time. And he makes dear fat chapstick. Oh that's a good idea with all natural deer fats, got bees wax and various oils like essential oils, and he doesn't believe in essential oils, but he uses it for his chapstick and it's a wonderful product and he's able to make fifty out of time and a special little two holder he's got doing this stuff is yeah, he's not selling them, and he didn't put glycering in it, so I'm worried about the shelf stability. That's a that's a there's like I think it's glystener glysall or something. It's like a food safe preserved. We just use it making trapping bait, like you can start you can take some meat, cat meat, whatever and wrote it down and then put glycering in it to stop the rot. And remember it's like a food safe deal. He's not using it, so I don't know about the shelf stability. A dear tale of chapstick. But dude, you put this on your lips. It's good stuff man, Because he had to render it. He rendered it out, put the bees wax in there, put some aromatics in there, all natural, like, oh yeah, it's like the Tom and Jerry's a chap stick man. How is that not in the mediator store right now? That seems like something we absolutely need to have. Well, I think there's probably some kind of FDA component to it. What does Tom and Jerry's of chapstick mean? Oh? How they brag up how they got real simple ingredients bene Jerry's with their Uncle Tom's deoderant? What's that de orderant? Times? Confusing Times of Maine with the famous book Uncle Tom's Cabin. My kids have been recently, so I was I didn't know if those guys had a chapstick, you know what I'm talking about. Maybe it's even Briars. Who is it that has like they make a big deal out how nothing's in the ice cream right, It's it's probably Ben Jerry. All right, let's start out. We're gonna make some drinks. What we're gonna have? What's our holiday drink for our special holiday special. Our holiday drink is egg nog. We're gonna use our meat eat or straight bourbon whiskey. Um, and I'm gonna basically dump all the ingredients into our Weston blender and it's going to be like a five minute nag. It's um from scratch, from scratch, eggs, ry eggs, nutmeg, cinnamon, half and half, heavy cream, milk, sugar, in our in our bourbon. Uh. We're having a conversation before we got started, and Crim's gonna make this drink. Um is it? I've I know from reading Tom Robbins. What book is the one that has the Tarzan's in Tom Robins novel where he's going, Uh, it's like Tarzan is tripping on nutmeg and he encounters Jesus in the desert. Oh sounds great. See I know the drug reference from Malcolm X because when Malcolm gets thrown in the clink, like his uh kind of mentor in there gets him level headed on nutmeg and warns him it's it's the only don't ask him for it again. Okay, Yeah, it trips you out. It's like tricking robot using right. I don't know, but Phil is going to read up on it, Phil, how much nutmeg you gotta eat the trip this Christmas, this holiday season. The thing is not actually a lot, but a little bit of nutmeg goes a long way if you've had it. And so people there's a I looked it up. People of there's um history of people tripping on nutmeg, at least since like Dreds is the first documented kind of a woman eight ten nutmegs, nuts, nutmeg, nuts, and felts, and people were already tripping on it when the Pilgrims came to America. Yeah. Um. And so the reason is is that there's a there's a compound in it called Mira Steyson which gets turned into a drug called m M d A, which if it that sounds familiar, there's a it's got a very close relative called m D m A, which is ecstasy. Um. So when your body's processing it, it changed the changes of the mirror Styson and into this hallucinogenic drug. So yeah, it's it's okay. So you're making some nutmeg, Yeah, and you got a jar of It's hold the season. You make us some nutmeg and you got a jar the little nuts, the megs. How many of those. You need to eat before you're before you know your your aunt has like a snake coming out of her nostril or something like that. If it looks like probably probably about two or three to really kind of feel it. Yeah, that's a lot of last drunk by that point in time. So you had ten nutmegs. I mean that's a lot of dedicated she must have had a cow that put egg knock off. Do you eat them or do you snort them? Or you smoke them? I'm asking for friends. It's it's just eating. Um, I feel like you just grind it up. Yeah. So, I mean, so they're they're they're documented cases of of of you know, kids just downing jars of ground nutmegs. I got one. I got one right now. I'm gonna take a no on. Okay, well we'll update throughout the podcast. Let's see how you're doing. Oh yeah, that's got to be very difficult meal to eat. Yeah, yeah, I'd have to snort it. Um. So yeah, you will feel a little That's why no one, that's why everybody's not wasted on Christmas. So you will get a little bit, but I can't. Vomiting comes with the high. But it's it's mostly they think it's non toxic. Like there's only been one documented death from eating too much nutmegging. It was from an eight year old kid who ate I think three just three nutmegs and died. But that sounds like it might have been something else going on as well the holiday season when I happened to him. I don't know. Uh. The other question we had is what's up with um eating all kind of raw eggs? Because remember chips? And I know you don't remember chips. I'm aware there are motorcycles, chips, chips. There was a part of most episode where either Punch or John I can't remember would drink It was like a stick. That's Yiddish, I think, is that Yiddish stick? Ye, that's the Yiddish. Trying to keep multicultural here. Stick was to drink a glass of eggs. You guys remember this? You do? How did he avoid being sick all the time? So a reading roy eggs the main that when you're going on back there makes a magnet speed ro so there people think that it can the egg whites can block absorb absorption of vitamin D seven go on, but that's not a really high concerned. The main concern is actually just Sam and ella. That's the only thing that people are concerned about with ry eggs is that, um, it's just the higher higher chance of salmonella. The nutmeg and my mouth is ruining my Christmas special special goodness to this that he ate raw eggs for years. That's how, That's how chips does it. And I actually don't think that it does make you sick because my mom, when I was a little boy, made our own That was one of our traditionstions was to eat raw eggs. No one ever got sick. What kind of tradition was that, h I'm sorry, No, she would make egg dog. Yeah, it was like for for Christmas Eve, she would make egg dog out of eggs. And then we didn't all just sit around puking and messing our pants. You go to a nice restaurant, you have steak tartar was a raw egg and that Yeah, that's good point. Sam thoughts about that, Well, it's just the raw yoke. I thought it was the egg white that was the issue. The egg white is the thing that might block absorption vitamin B. But that's an issue either way. Quick quick correction. While we while we while the drinks get made, Colt this pertains YouTube. Um in keeping with the holiday holiday theme, here, uh, we have a craction coming from our friend. Uh. He sent it as an inform of a Christmas card, where Doug Durn sent into correction and I told him if he could to try to make it fit with our Christmas episode, that he could give it a Christmas theme. So he's he's including it as a gift. And it has to do with his annoyance when people say, particularly when I always say cut corn meaning I was hunting out in a cut corn field, or when are they gonna cut that corn? So uh, here's Doug's correction, which he sent to us as a nice little audio file. And Doug, I will point out, in the entire history of this show, in the entire history of this program, only one person is that true, Yanni, Only one person has ever been given call in credentials. I believe that could be true, Dug Durn. Yeah, here is hey, Steve. It's Dug during calling to wish you your family and the home meat eat You're gig, Merry Christmas, happy New Year, and a prosperous look forward. The next time we're together, also called to make a little correction cut corn. Don't like that expression. It's incorrect. It sounds foolish. Ah, corn is either chopped, picked, or shelled when it's harvested. What's left in the field is corn, stubble, corn fodder, or even more correctly, corn stover. The stubble is the stuff that's left when they chop it off, and the fodder and the stover is the stuff that's left when they just take the ears of corn or the shelled corn. So please, in the future, can you make that correction? Got me pulling my hair out. Thanks and happy holidays. Okay, Colt when you heard that, I know he emailed that. Initially emailed deck playing. I felt that you rolled over like a dog. How so did you read my response? Yeah, you said never again in my life or something like that. No, I said, he said, please in the future, like make this correction, and I said I will not, And then I am going to stand by cut corn. You said, yeah, cal said never in my life. I thought he meant. I thought he rolled over like a dog and meant never in my life. While I use that phrase again, No, No, I I ad meant I'm sticking by a cut corn. Oh, I see I could. I capitulated. I capitulated, and I was like, man, he's right, what do I know? I'm no farmer and I'm not. And then I called him to hear him out on it. And I happened to be driving around when someone who's got quite a egg background and they were listening in on my call with dog and he says, well, it's not concorn. I don't know what the hell it because I've been calling it that my entire life. And this guy knows his way around a cornfield. And I noticed too in Doug's thing he catches if you listen carefully, uh, until you can patch us in. Doug is forming a sentence and he there's a slight pause. He's like, and when they get done chopping the corn, there's a slight fauce because he almost like, the more I listened to, the more I catch it. He almost says, cut the corn, but corrects himself and swings are hit played again. Phil. The stubble is the stuff that's left when they chop it off. There's not all over damn place now. Now it's like Cristmas. This place already smells. This place is gonna smell like that's gonna smell like folks. And uh, for some reason, all I can picture is somebody missing a finger and you're like, hey, well what happened to your finger? It's like, oh got cut off. No, ially, here's chop and the thing that's left is the stover instead of the chop. But you know, I think that, But you give your theory about how where dogs coming from? And I love Doug More. I told you I love Doug More. I love Yoanni. I feel like there was a little pause in that sense too. Um. I feel like maybe just and this is just just kind of a random theory that I just thought of five minutes ago, is that maybe Doug's thinking is because where Doug comes from, there's like a little region there around Casinova. It's a population and like half of them are Durrance. And like you said earlier, he there's cousins around that he doesn't even know that exists, and they's got Rhodes named after him. Yeah, maybe just there in that region, it's because it would be like he could say this in my family, we say chopped corn, because that would be synonymous with in my community. Yes, geez, Doug, you're a big guy. What do you mean. Everybody's built this way? Every time dog goes out of tow him. These people are small. On the first day of Christmas, my true love gave to me swirl a crockpot. On the second day of Christmas, my true love game to me two smokes sirrel a croco. On the third day of Christmas, my true love gave to me three pripers, two smoke press and a swirl and croco. Damn that boy, I can think. Man, the annunciation is not good. Do you know that they're saying coot breasts. I just tripped out about the one the coop breasts, which is rough, but the rest are very clear. That's off to the choir. It's really good singing. Yeah, he's in the choir. Yeah, and he really regards himself as regards himself pretty highly as a caroler, as maybe a lover of Caroline, but not as a caroler. Oh, I never made that distinction. Yeah. Like earlier, I was on the phone with my mother talking about latvian Um Christmas folk songs, so I'm gonna have to sing one for you later, and we kind of settled on one. And because I wanted the one that had the right. Um, what's it called? Is it called a refrain in English? Like the things sing over and over at the end of a segment. Of course, of course there's the chorus. What's the refrain? Refrain would be that thing that comes at the tail end of the song that you insert that's a little We didn't start the fire anyways. So she's sang the melody. I saying the melody. She's saying the melody and finally said like, yeah, I think you got it. But she says, you know it's gonna be the most important for you is that maybe someone else sort of sets the tone or that where you're supposed to start, and then you go from there like, well, only there's anyby in the room, it's gonna know the tune for see that being a cord. Yeah, so he's he's a caroling enthusiast rather than a good caroler. Phil Who else is in the choir? Oh? Man, Yeah, I did, there was HANSI. Philip was like our conductor. He's a music man. Flip flushers and lushers in there. Did you find that his um? Did you find that you could accentuate his his part did you at the down listening back to the files. I'm not even positive he was singing. I think he was just there for show. He was probably just mouthings. So old. Do you know who Milli Vanilli is? I know the name. I need to tune in and get new references for culture. I had tickets to see Billy Vanilly right before they got If you want a slightly more modern reference, he could say, like like Ashley Simpson on SNL, thank you, Yeah, yeah, like that, okay, old man Ronella hopped up on nut Man talking about the way things were. Are you guys feeling this Nutmeg? No? You know, I like man, but see, I'm like that when people tell me about a disease, I feel like I got it their day. My body was telling about his body, who's the capillaries and his fingers are dying and so he has a real hard time keeping his fingers warm. And the whole time he's telling me, I'm trying to He's like all the time about how sad he is for his body because this is like could be like a terminal thing. But I'm not even listening to anything. I'm not caring about the body. I'm just sitting here he's going, and I'm sitting there being like, God do I have that? I have such a hard time. So now that I hain't that nutmeg, I feel like I'm tripping right. It's a creepers and his eyes are like turning like blood blood color. And he's like sending me messages and sending me messages through that Santa hat and stuff. Well, you're finally getting it, then, I've been doing that for years. He's like, I worshiped the devil. That's what I'm hearing in the background. I was laughing slightly this morning when I was fussing around, and because we have an email, it's like, hey, remember bringing your Christmas sweater. But it's like anything could be a Christmas sweater if it's the thing that you're wearing a Christmas yeah, but I feel like you that is your Christmas water. This is my Christmas sweater. Yeah, And I did by this specifically for Christmas. Yeah, is he your ugly Christmas sweater? No? Those things classy as hell. The ugly Christmas swuner, Sam, It's just it's for for ladies and gentlemen at home. Cal's wearing. It's just a real bright red sweater. Why do you have a shirt underneath it? Well, because I didn't bring my dickie him. That's what you wear with that. We but dicky's when you get Uh, it's like it's like a it's like a clip on tie. It's like the clip on tie the turtleneck world. Yes, well it's like a turtleneck sweater minus the sweater. No. No, it's the turtle neck. We used to wear them ice fishing. It's a turtleneck that you just pull over and it's got a little flapp that hangs down front and back. Meant to be worn under a sweater. Yeah, but we warm ice fishing. Yeah, just to keep your neck warm, you put your dicky on. Not like what you're thinking. Oh, anyway, I got this the gold mine and catch mydah. Which if you're ever looking for any kind of old man type of stuff, that's a real good place to go. Steve, how's that. That's a good one like MA used to make. Oh that's good. That's better. Mas. There you go, Okay, drinking hand, We're gonna we're gonna move on. Um real quick. Uh. What you guys have like um holiday? You know, food traditions, culinary traditions. Yes, they're not. They're not necessarily uh you know, centering around wild game. I haven't started that yet. My neighbor, on the other hand, though, has smoked deer ham He's a new hunter, only killed two deer and smoked deer hand the last two years in a row. And the other night told me he's gonna that's gonna be his uh Thanksgiving tradition. Just smoked deer hams. That was pretty cool, but no, for me, it's um. Pepercucas and pete dog be dogs. Pep cucas are Latvian ginger bread cookies, but they don't look or taste like the gingerbread that there's ginger in there, which is why I use that um comparison. But they're very thin wafers. There's a cookie out there called the Moravian Christmas cookie if anybody's had those, and that's like the closest store bought thing I've ever seen. Um to Latvian gingerbread cookies actually means pepper cookie. Um. Yeah, so they're very spicy with black pepper, lots of ginger thin. Um. My great uncle used to love all the burnt ones because every year you get a pan that's burnt in there. Anyways, we make those. We kind of in Christmas shapes with a little uh you know, so what would pass as a Christmas shape among the folks. A tree, It looks like a fir tree, star, a moon traditional, Yeah, moons, We had a lot of moons. Huh. You gotta stick of a moon as a Christmas shape because Santa flies over across it. No, I would say, because the um moon is somehow helping along the sun to come back alive. Yeah, buy that our holiday. We had two holiday things. One was how's it going? Ran taken a lot? One was not ours but every year old woman. You know how when you're a little kid, you have grandparents Day at school. Yeah, our grandparents lived too far away and then they were dead. But we had fake grandparents that would show up for grandparents Day. Vivia Um Kokoma and what was your old man's name? And these folks were just Barney and Vivian Kokoma would always come to grandparents Day and pretend to be our grandparents. Nicest people on the planet. Vivian Kokoma would always have my dad give her a deer neck or two. She would take the deer necks cook him down and make mince meat pie filling, and then she would jar the mince meat pie filling in glass jars, and then she would wrap a ribbon around it, and then on Christmas she would bring it around and give it out as Christmas presents and we would get a jar. Smellman gave her the neck. But that was one thing. But the main uh culinary tradition is my mom would make this thing called sticky buns. It's like you cook a bunch of I don't know what they are, dough dough, right, and it's got all kinds of sugar in it, so that it kind of thing, yeah, and there's so much sugar and caramel on the bottom. Then you flip it over and all the you know, shiploads of caramel and all the stuff that settled to the bottom is then on top and it dries and you wake up and eat that. We do this thing where my parents boil a huge pot of polish killed bassa Christmas morning. You are your a pole my mom's side of the family. Jiminski. My dad felt that the poles um drank too much. That could be true. That could be true, but it has a horrendous smell if you don't like Polish kill bossa very very strong smell. And my wife came into the family not having that Polish backgroundground ah, maybe some German, some English, not important feel you might have. For Mark's sake, my wife, the English and Germans they are mortal enemies once UoT time. Yeah, but they are buddies at one point as well. But yeah, so she came into this not prepared for that smell everymore on Christmas, and she almost vomited when she was pregnant the other year because a little killed bassa. Yeah, the smell feels the stinch of the kill bossa. Yeah, so that's our thing. Polish hold on big sausages. So you get a potfull of boiled sausages. Then what you just eat boiled killed bassa for your breakfast? The best you guys could do. Did you make them or buy them? Bought them at a traditional little Polish market, and then your mouth just boils them up, boils them. She's got it. She's got a pretty easy day, don't you. Then you dipping in cocktail sauce. No, that's that's what they did get confusing shrimp. No, I can't, I can't in the can in the Polish Kenyan household. You guys, boy, go to the store, buy some kill boss of boiling up, dipping in cocktail sauce. Yeah, I'm not gonna sit here until you it's good. But it's just what they do, and that's what we did. It sounds great to me. And we also got any good holiday want. How are they culinary? My grandma Marian my mom's side of the family. She always makes lots of cooks. You know, there's lots of good food, but there's always little chunks of beard in my mouth from you, from your beard of the elf beard. Um. York sure pudding? Are you familiar with that? I made out of hog's blood? No, This was like very confusing as a child because it's called Yorkshire pudding. But it comes out and uh, it's like that it's a muffing that's burned on top and then it has kind of like a custardy consistency when you like pull the top off. And ours were always like a very savory thing, so you put like you'd like use it to like mop up meat juice because we're always always making beef with How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat. You're like, I'm dipping my meat and my pudding. Yes, but as a kid, you're like, this is a muffing. Where's the pudding? Oh yeah, get all excited. The kids are like it was some pudding. Common then also they lay that out there, right, So I eat this and then the pudding comes. But yeah, that that's one of those like Christmas eat type. Thanks Sam, anything I would say. Unfortunately, my family wasn't the most traditional. I think the biggest tradition was we changed it up every single year. But the one thing that we would always get is eggnog, but we never made it. We always bought the Southern comfort eggnog. Have you that? So it was premixed. So when you guys are in high school, did you guys call it soco? Oh yeah, definitely. And so this is bringing me back. Thanks. This is much better than the store bought. Believably good, Very good, Karin, thank you. This is the best. Uh he wanted to do it again. It's the best eggnog drink I've ever had in my entire life. It is very good. Agreed. Unfortunately, some of you guys have minus vanilla. I forgot to put in vanilla. The first round vanilla. So we're gonna need to top you off. Um, it's it's super simple. It's just eggs, heavy cream, milk. You can do half and half or not. U nutmeg, six nutmegs, Ye have a little Yeah, yeah, we got plenty of here. Um yeah, nutmegs, cinnamon, some sugar, good eggs, m vanilla and the meat eater burbon which makes it. It makes a hell of a drink. It tastes like if you just kept adding ice, this would just be ice cream. Yeah, it's very good. Tastes like Santa himself. Mix it up. I actually like to have ice cubes in mine and let it thin out a little bit more. Not quite so heavy. Du Nothing tastes better than the first egg. No cocktail you have every hear, nothing tastes worse than the last man, I get burned out. Oh yeah, yeah about a gallon. That's what I'm good for. I was saying more of like a court, but it burned out after a gallon egg. Now, Oh, you know, do you want to do a holiday food thing? Sure? What do you have? Because can you tell me a little bit about your background? Sure? Um? So my mom is Chinese and She immigrated to the United States from Beijing way back when. And my dad is a Jewish kid from Brooklyn. So that's my background. So what do you guys do around Christmas? It depends sorry, you know what I mean. You can say Christmas. Uh. It kind of depended on the year. Sometimes we would get together as a family, just the three of us. I don't have any siblings. The three of us would go out to a very Christmas see only child, only child. Yeah. Yeah. I grew up in New York City, so there are plenty of very holiday festive Christmas ee type traditional dinners. If we're too late see to cook. Um. What the Jews normally do for Christmas is they go out and eat Chinese food because Chinese are open. I've actually participated in that one time. So sometimes that is a tradition. And sometimes it's gotten together with the Jewish side of my family and celebrated Christmas slash Hanukah. You don't You don't really have like a specific day on which you celebrate hanaka. It's an eight day thing. Um. But yeah, so kind of just depend upon the year. You know. One time you don't know this, but I'll tell you, Okay, one time because of the International Dateline and an airplane, I missed Christmas. Oh did you like you flew? Wait? Explain that I was flying west across the International Dateline and they're like, and it timed out where the essentially was no Christmas Day that year? Was that? Was that the worst year of your life? Was that the worst? No? I thought, I mean, it just it was it wanted to be like one of the more memorable Christmas. It's absence made it be memorable. You know, it was in it was in the It was just in the it was the it was the tail end of the pre nine eleven era. Okay, uh, oh, you know what I want to talk about? Oh yeah, but to tell about the different food things you guys eats some Chinese food. Yeah, we would sometimes do Chinese food on Christmas. We would sometimes do very Christmas ee traditional. You know, I think when was that coming from? Because it was it coming from your mother? No, it wasn't from coming from my mom either, although my mom's side of the family does celebrate Christmas. Um, what was your mom from Beijing Christian? No? No, she wasn't. My so her grandparents, my great grandparents, were Buddhist her mom and my grandmother was I should say a little bit more on the philosophical Confucian side. Got it? Do you feel that you have a Christmas sweat around right now? I have a Christmas bread or is that a holiday sweater? It is a Christmas sweater right now because Rudolph's on it. Um, he's got a red nose and white three D like poofball that's coming off the edge of his hat. And um, this is so ugly, it's amazing. It lights up. How come we don't have a little all right, because because that would be really so distracting. I don't think anyone would hold on krim sweater has a battery in it. Come on, let's go waiting. Oh look at that. Here we go. Huh, that's not distracting. Keep this. Um, Yeah, I have lights on my sweater that change color and flash constantly. Yeah. So her like just below her collar bones, there are there's a there's a line of lights right where her dickie would be would taper off. All right, I'm gonna keep this going for us the podcast. Okay, Phil rolls some more of the Christmas song on the dat of Christmas My True Love Game to me for miss meat pie three fried perch juice smoke could send us for all in a crock pot. On the fifth day of Christmas, my true love gave to me fine bad old bachas for miss beat pie three fried perch juice smokes send a squirrel in a chron pot. On the sixth day Christmas, my true love game to me six cheeks up, grouper, fine old black chaps, miss meat pie three fried send us squir all in a crock pot. Moving on in our Christmas special Christmas Holiday Special? Uh Yanni on Instagram, how do you do it? Used to be Latvian Hunter, but now just at yannest But tell us that's right with an underscoring there, dude, Yanni is so unbelievably close to having a hundred k followers. Get that, man, he doesn't realize hearing this. I've reached the Yeah, he doesn't realize how much life changes. I haven't told you about all the things that happened at that point, but it's gonna blow your mind. It's like a whole secret world out there, Johnnie. Um, I can't wait. Janni asked on Instagram people to share with us the worst Christmas presents they've ever gotten in their entire life. You'll shoot your eye out, kid, Yeah, yeah, I wanna. UM, I have a bad I have a Christmas gift story, uh that I like to tell every year. It's like a t this is this combines two things. It's a Christmas gift story in your tradition story. It's my tradition to tell the story of a year in the presence of my brother because it makes them so depressed. When I was a little kid, they had a thing called Secret Santa's Workshop. You gets familiar with this what it was it was It was a venue for children who didn't have access to um a vehicle to go shopping for their family in such a way that their family wouldn't know what they got him. Because when you're a little kid, how do you go shopping for your mom? Pre buying shot on the internet? You're picturing how trouble, how hard it be right because your mom takes you to the store. How do you ever get your moms something so thank you? That in Mikey's Elementary now it's a it's a fundraiser kind of a deal and it's called Secret Santa's Workshop. I think they omit Secret just saying his workshop. Yeah, maybe I added that, so you're you get you Still it's still kind of like, it's still kind of conns your mom a little bit because you still gotta get money from your parents. But you bring the money down and you get credit, and you buy junk for your family, and you could get like a jib when I was looking, you could get like a gigantic racer, all kinds of stuff. I kind of blew all my money and I didn't get my brother Matt anything, and so I got Matt a sheriff's a plastic sheriff's badge shaped like a star. Uh. I was really excited about it. That night at dinner, my mom asked, how was saying his workshop, to which Matt replies, it was so stupid. In fact, it was so stupid that they sold little plastic sheriff's badges. I was so upset. I ran into the living room and wept. Wept. He felt so bad that to try to make me feel better, he promised me and actually went through with this where he and I would start a pin collection based off his new sheriff's badge pin. I like to tell that story ever here, just to make him depressed all over again. Uh so did he follow through? Do you guys have a little collection? No, I think that we did actually start a short lived little pin collection as part of him being like I was wrong. I don't you know, I didn't see the potential. In fact, we could start a collection and this sheriff's badge could be the first. That's great step, that's a good story. So it's yeah, I think it's the most depressing thing in the world. You like it? Yeah? Good ending When I tell it, he just uh, it's I hope he's listening. The ruins is Christmas. He hasn't had a good Christmas since he was He hasn't had a good Christmas since he was eight. Yeah. Uh, worst worst president people have ever gotten. Um. One guy got a dog shaped hot dog cooker bun steamer makes a barking sound when you're hot dogs done. Guy his aunt. Remember we're talking about the guy that thought his aunt was fairly attractive. Yeah, not that guy, but another guy. His aunt came to blow up now when he went away to college. Shoot your eye out, kid, that's a fun one to open up in front of the fam. Um guy wrote in that got a engrave Christmas ornament. His name's Brian, but when he got it they had uh misspelled his name, so just says brain. Uh dude. Uh. Someone made him a hand knit mitten for quote my junk with flip up urinating tip, he says. He says, it's real nice on cold days when you're ice fishing or glass and freezing your balls off. Another guy wrote in that his dad gave him a four ten with a bent barrel when he was a kid and told him that it helped him out in the long run. Guy said from his grandmother in law three years in a row running now has received the same piggy bank that is in the shape of a butt and farts when you put coins in it. Guy rolled into the guy gave him a beaver tail. Guy rode in that former in laws, he says, for I was people are well. I feel like get so many letters to people who allude to having gotten a divorce, Like he points out, my former in laws they didn't know anything about hunting or fishing, and but they always want to buy him presence that he thought he would like, and he says, looking back on it, it felt as though their shopping strategy was to ram shopping carts into the shelves at Cabela's and get him whatever happened to fall in the cart. I feel like that was a good piece of writing When I read that, I really, I really like that, because immediately I was there picturing how he got his presence. They got him at one time, a camo do rag. He got a deer drag system. He gotta wind up lantern. He got a cough silencer, and he got he got an apple sent to deer lure that he was afraid to put anywhere that deer could actually eat it because it was poisonous. Uh. Guy got his aunt and uncle gave him socks with their pictures on them. So he says, every time he opens his sock drawer, quote, there they're watching me. Dude got some sweatpants that were designed to look like blue jeans. Uh do, said his wife. He told his wife he needed hunting pants. She told her in laws he needed hunting pants, and so they got him a pair of sweats. They had pictures of deer on him. These are all great white elephant gift ideas. My dad used to do this thing where he'd like, give you a full body goose decoy to like add to the to the spread, and you're like, yes, full bodied use decoy, this is great. And then he'd be like yeah you like that. Yeah, and he'd be like, so maybe you could uh do a little bit better on the grades this year. And it always left kind of being like, God, I wish we didn't do presence. What did he mean that, like if you got straight a's, he might get a dozen. You know, I never read into it very much or it got straight a's or got straight as. So I never never figured out, you know, he just was holding it out there that things could get spectacular. What did you think that was the best one, Johnny? My favorite out of all the worst Christmas present um that came in on the old Instagram was a guy got a I believe this actually came in more than once, that a guy got a half of a bottle of whiskey with a bow on it. What happened the other half? Come on, That's the best part of present is that you you think about it a second and you realize what happened the night before? Oh yeah, I got you? So yeah. I guess it could be a trip, It could be a sad story for some people. But I like to think about how someone like, Yeah, let's get Yann whiskey, and then a while later, wow, whiskey, let's drink a little bit. He's whiskey, he'll be he'll be happy with half a bottle. You know what was very on Yanni about that? Did you say half empty? I feel like you're a half fold guy, and then you just said half bottle of whiskey. Uh? Yeah, you know what I'm getting. I used to running that thing over there. Good, that's it, Sam. What what's the worst um gift you ever got? I mean, I think it depends how you look at it, because it's not really the worst, but it's definitely the most random. Um right before I moved to You know what, that's a that's a generational word random. Yeah, because people my age don't don't they know what random means. Something happened and then something happened, and people like ten or more years younger in me have no idea what the word random means. Okay, so what do you want me to describe it as an odd gift? Odd gift? Um, I'm never going to get up, Okay, so you gotta as you folks say, you gotta random meaning okay, actually it was random because she never sent gifts and then just one random years I think it would be odd, okay, unusual, unusual, just sent me a gift and um, it was a taser and a box of condoms. That's great, she uh getting at um, what's the order of operations here? Which goes first? Did she give you one? You know, when you're giving someone like I'll say, you're giving someone a baby gun and babies, you'd be like, do no, don't open that, open that one first. So well, she had the taser in the condoms, so she's like, no, no no, the lit ruin it. Open that one first. Well no, she wasn't even present for the opening and the gift and she you know, had them all together in one big package basically not that big. And when you said later and you when you called her, did you call her write a note to thank you? Thank you my mom was very important to my mom that we do that, we write and you said, um, I really appreciated the condoms and not the taser. Did she get confused because your name is Samantha, but you go by sam Oh, that would actually be ye? Was she kind of like, was she kind of distant, very distant, very distant. Yeah, she saw your like some guy named Sam, but it was very weak, much more a week very virile, a week virale that gl How did that make sense to you? That's just the logical conclusion. I could come to form a birth control appropriate to a gender appropriate birth control for him and in a taser in case he was weak. Things when I saw her in less, things get random month and things got random with this guy, and I had to taste him. Well, I haven't how to use the taste yet, it had to charge it properly, and he was just like setting her off for best and worst case scenario. She's like when you go to the bar, I shoot things I always like to bring with me, and I just lay him on the bar kind of I let the night run its course. Karn, we're gonna talk about Hanica for a minute. Just keep this in the spirit of the holidays. And how do you get eight presents? Do you feel that they did that so they could kind of like best the Christians? Well, who just get press it's for like Christmas, even Christmas morning? Right, So historically, um, Hanukah does not really have a tradition of gift giving, I know, and then kids felt bummed. My guess is that kids were bummed and they're like, oh, you want to do presents, all right, we'll do eight days, will best you? Will best you by a multiple of four? Yeah, yeah, which is quite significant. Um. So a lot of Jewish children get many presents over the course of many days. Over right, it's like eight Christmas. So then it used to be that the Christian kids were laughing at them, but now they laugh at the Christian Now, yeah, how did they get start presents? Do you know? Like, I'm what years? Um? Well, what I've read, um is that when Christmas became a national holiday in the United States and the late nineteenth century, there was a shift to gift giving for Hanukah. So when you're a little girl, would you get them? Sometimes? Um? Well, that builds a big expectation. Then they fall off the next year. You know. My family was really inconsistent with things. So sometimes my father might light a couple of candles during the eight days, but he might skip like a day or two, and sometimes I would get Hanukkah gilts, which is the the chocolate, and then sometimes yeah, sometimes kind of waxy chocolate. Yeah yeah, it's like probably really corn syrapy. It's normally like milk chocolate doesn't really I like dark chocolate. But um yeah, so we were we were inconsistent with celebrating that. So sometimes I might get multiple presents sometimes, you know, but they never they never rolled out for you all eight Uh no, no, not consistently and that and that was fine with me. I I wasn't like a huge like give me gifts. I would like to think that I was not a super spoiled on. We're gonna do a thing for for people. We're gonna do like a hanka. Yeah, do you spell with the or the ah? So there, so I don't. I don't speak Hebrew, but the transliteration I think there's kind of still a uh back and forth between spelling it h A n u k k A h and then c h A n u k a H. Do you want to hear me speak Hebrew? Go ahead, baruke out of time, No, breuke out of time. Yeah that's what. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Did that were you pretty impressed? Yeah? That's pretty good. Do it again? Oh yeah, yes, yes, that's not even remotely Hebrew I just heard that the other day. So let's say, let's say for our Jewish, our Jewish listeners who like to do the Hanaker tradition, you go to the meat Eator store, the Mediator Merged store, and here's a great gift list. Okay. On day one, get your special loved one are gnome packing out a unicorn T shirt, which is a gnome with a severed unicorn's head strapped to his backpack and he's got his crazy nomebo. Day two, you can get him our grave meat Eator cutton board. Day three, you can get him the complete set of meat Eater spices are charismatic megaspices. Day four you can get him our nome reeling in the mermaid shirt, which is as we emerged as a somewhat controversial shirt. We've talked about this. It's a gnome, it's created the same gnome that caught that killed the unicorn is out fishing and he's reeling in a mermaid who's fighting hard. Uh. Some people have thought that that it's that it's suggestive that people eat mermaid meat, and they felt that it's controversial. I've I don't know what's happening between the Nome and the mermaid. Um almost as it's a it's a land of fantasy. Almost. My brother looked at it and he thought that the mermaid was gonna pull the Noman and eat the gnome. Um. I thought that it was an elaborate courtship ritual. But either way, it's a gnome real or mermaid. We also have for the fifth day of Honiky, you get a Lavian Eagle T shirt genuine Joanna's T shirt. UM. Explain the Lavin eagle logo. M hmm, I didn't prepare for this one. Um. It's an eagle, uh, symbolizes the Latvian eagle. And then it's it's sort of like the it's we used. There's a crest. There's a Latvian crest that we used the three stars from and the three stars represented the three regions of Latvia, so that's part of it. Um. And then it says the Latvia Eagle and meteor on it. It's pretty simple. On the on the sixth day, you can get them some you know me and reality. Uh little known fact mean Yanni running for president. Um runella Na. I'm tripping so hard on nutmeg better hunting and fishing for America. Our campaign slogan, of course, is better Hunting and Fishing for America. You can follow along the campaign. We got a campaign released video we came out with there's a I heard tell there's a negative ad about me and Yanni coming out soon. Um Biden and Trump put together a negative attack ad about me and Janni. I told you they're gonna come at us from both sides, and yeah, they they teamed up to come after me and Jannie. You can get bumper stickers, you can get Runella patels, better Hunting and Fishing for America t shirts to get all that for that person. Then on the seventh day you get him a Gnome Sasquatch shirt and here are same crazy g nome. It's modeled after the old picture of a grizzly bear who's kind of attacking a mountain man, but he's got his bowie knife out and he's like, clearly gonna best the grizzly Well this YETI sasquatch. Bigfoot has a grip on the gnome and the Gnome is about to turn the tides with his bowie knife. And then on the eighth day you can get any number of our bandana series are instructional bandana series. We have how to flay a fish, how to go to deer, and how to kill a turkey. Well, like everything you need to know about turkeys, all in the bandana. At first we were running a real scratch. He's sort of cotton. But now tell him what that is, Johnny. We've got a new micro fiber one. Yeah, it's the world's largest lens wipe in the world. That's right, it's gonna be something excited kids underneath that tree, that's for. Yeah, that's what I said. Maybe I missed out candles, candles, burn candles in the windows sitting there with all that media to merch. You know, I was gonna mention that I think that it levels out because the Jewish kids that I knew growing up, they didn't get presents. Every evening they got a present, and so at the end of it they got eight presents. Um, there's a lot. Yeah, you don't think your kids are getting eight presents a piece Christmas morning. Well, Sandy Claws brings some mom and dad brings some Grandma brings a pickupload. Now, the kids that really make out, the kids that really make out are the ones that have a Christian mother or father and a Jewish mother or father like my buddy Saul from high school that you've met, roll right through eight days of Hanakah and then be like sweet, wonder of what's going to be under this, like another truckload of presents. Yeah, he imagine the to merge that duke as a child of divorce. I can say that was pretty lucrative as well, because they're they're trying to outdo each other. It was great. You did you did? You play it too? Like, Oh, you're pretty special. I mean, now, dad, I mean not like that, but I mean, you're pretty special. I wasn't that bad. I spent so many years living out of my truck that I could never quite get across the fact that I couldn't. I I enjoyed the thought behind presence, but I couldn't really accept the presence because I'd be like, this is a great frame picture. Um, it's gonna look awesome on your wall, and I'll appreciate it whenever I'm here. Oh, because yeah, I'm I supposed to like screw it to the ref of my truck. Okay, So you know, when everybody gets their presence anything, this is true for people who celebrate Hanaka or Christmas, everybody's gonna get their presence and um inevitably. Do you know many people who for Hana could get gift cards? Um? Sure, yeah, I guess that's like one of the days that your parents are just like they got No, they're just played out. Just take a gift card. Everybody gets gift cards and then everybody gets returns. So you know, you get an Amazon gift card whatever, um, or you get something stupid and you return it and you get a cash credit. So that leaves you in the awkward position. And also you might be listening to this after Christmas, so none of this has any relevancy to you. But you're sitting there with a gift card. You got an Amazon gift card, so now you're wondering whoy And I don't know what to do with my gift card. So now Mark Kenyon are very special and lovely Mark Kenyon is gonna have a suggestion for what one might do with their gift card this holiday season. Just a shameless plug. Yeah, sell me on it. Mark's much anticipated book, You could pick up That Wild Country, an epic journey through the past present in future of America's public lands. Yeah, I wrote a book. The first time we tried to bring this book up, Mark got um. He felt there was something bad would happen if he talked about it too earlyishers or something. But it's out it's out there, that wild country. Tell us her, tell us all about it. Mark put a Christmas spin on it. Oh boy, now you're throwing me for a loop. I would try something like this, would say, everyone knows the joy of receiving a great gift. Well, there's no greater gift than America's public lands. This is very true. By something like that, But just to to get a gift means one thing. But to understand the thought behind that gift, maybe let's call the history behind that gift, it means that much more. And that's what I try to do with this book. I do my best. I mean, it's too complicated for people, but it's good. It's good. The cliff notes on the book was that I love public lands, but didn't understand how we got these places. You know, yeah, you wondered, you know, how do we get to this point that there was such a contentious issue, and that I had places I go hunt, fish camp, etcetera. So I decided, if I didn't know that story, if I didn't understand how we got to this point, there's probably a lot of other people out there who were in the same boat, especially if you didn't live in the middle of them stay here in Montana. Um So, I started diving into that myself, trying to understand that story, that history and what was going on presently, and then went and spend as much time as I possibly could in those places to kind of have a physical context for that. How many states did you travel to? At least eight or two and ten I think for that um So, Yeah, ranging from Montana packcrafting and fly fishing, the Bob Marshall Wilderness up to the up of Michigan backpacking Picture Rocks, down into Arizona and utah Um north south east west, a little bit of everything, everything from hunting and fishing to backpacking and camping and peak backing. When you were doing the book, did you, um as you're doing all your research all along, were you thinking like, oh, that makes sense, so that makes sense? Or did you hit some parts You're like what? There were definitely moments of I didn't know that that that explains things, more of those types of moments. Whereas now I get it, this is all kind of coming together. Um, It's it's no surprise to me now that they are so contentious and controversial in certain ways because one of the things that makes them so special, which is that they're for all of us. They're co owned by all of us. We can use them for so many different things. That's also what makes them so challenging to work with. So um uh, there's a whole lot of stakeholders with a whole lot of different ideas about how to use them and manage them, and that makes them tricky but special. Now you're in the book, you obviously approached it with a bias, right, Like you didn't set out to be like should we have public lands or not? It's like you came at you you're a lover of public lands, and so you set off to write a book, um, explaining them right and and advocating for them. Did you come away from the whole project more sympathetic to the anti public land sentiment or did you come away more baffled by the anti by anti public land sentiment? I would say it, I would not call myself sympathetic too. But understanding of some of the challenges and complaints around it. When you look at there was a trend in public land policy that might have made things more difficult for some users of public lands, and I came to better understand that. I I guess you could say sympathetic to some of those users who might now be viewed as anti public land to a degree. Um, But I'm not sympathetic with the most radical of those elements. You've got folks like the Bundees who take it so much further than I think it ever should. But sure, I'm willing to listen to someone who wants to use these lands for some form of extraction or some form of grazing or whatever it might be. Those are good, honest Americans that have a perspective too. Um. So you gotta approach it with a little bit of open mind, we say, you know, you typically you try to like put a spin on your adversaries, and oftentimes you put a spin on your adversaries that they're not comfortable with. Like we talked about pep who are against public land. But the people who are against public land don't say that, like they don't say like I am against public land. They say something different. Tell me, like, tell me how they would describe, like, what is an anti public lands person from his perspective? Well, it's typically gonna be someone who is more so anti federal government in a lot of ways, believing that there's an overreach of regulation, taking away freedoms or something like that. They might say that we are restricting their use or restricting their economic freedom. Fathers never intended, right, so they'll they'll never intended common folk to be able to go outside, so they'll be that kind of thing. They very rarely will come right out and say, oh, well you're keeping me from making more money. Um, big business at least. But but yeah, I mean everybody, everybody comes to this though, looking at it from their own individual lens of how you use these lands. So it is it is easy to be biased. And I, like you said, I've come to it realizing that trying to as much as possible step outside of that a little bit and try to understand. But it's hard to do that given the passions and the things that we love to do. Um. But what I found is that what we're in now has been going on for decades and it will continue to so there's never gonna be a happy ending. I don't think it's always going to be a push and pull, And I think that might have been a great takeaway, was that we just better be prepared for that tug of war to continue, and it's incumbent on us to stand up and pull really hard. Did you and in doing the book, did you feel that the that the part is an aspect of it was cumbersome to deal with because most you know, I mean, the what we regards sort of like anti federally managed public land sentiment is I mean, in recent years, it's like it's like a Republican thing, right, Like the Republican Party had a like they need to give this up in my mind, like whole hardly, but they had a thing where they're sort of a plank in the party platform. Is this you know, kind of like nascent opposition to federally manage public lands and that that doesn't embody every person in that party but the party in general. So when you're writing the book, did you ever feel like you're sort of like picking on one political party at the expense of another, I'm sorry, picking like picking on certain political parties and praising certain political parties because right now it is sort of this partisan debate. Unfortunately. Yeah, that was the most that's me saying it's unfortunate. So I think it's terribly unfortunate. No, I was gonna say that was the most frustrating aspect of the whole thing. Was that. A. I hate that it's become partson. B. I don't understand how they're how this could be because this this is about as American of an idea as I can think of, that being democratized land and in a resource like this that all Americans can use and benefit from. So yeah, it's frustrating. It's also challenging to be able to have conversations around Parson issues without half of the group just shutting off. Yeah. When I was reading your book, that was the thing that stuck on me. It's funny because like the father of the American public land system was you know, Republican, but it different at the time, right the same way. I mean, you know the party, you know what it means. The Republican change radically three years ago, so you have that. But in reading the book, I kept being like, ooh, it's kind of like like when you look at like who's behind what and who's doing what. It was like unfortunate. Made me feel like, really, man, these guys gotta these guys gotta pull it together, dude. And that's the thing I tried to make clear though in the book, was that I don't think it should be a Republican or Democratic issue, and I approached it from Hey, I'm right in the middle. Personally. I came from a conservative Republican background. I certainly, um still support some things on that and I support some other ideas to um, I'm gonna stand with anybody who's willing to stand up for these places. So I try to make it clear within the book, I'm not attacking the Republican Party. I'm attacking. I'm attacking. I am attacking an idea that right now Republicans are supporting that I think is a big mistake on their part. Yeah, and that's of changes all the time. Like I said, like three years ago, it was a party of free trade, yeah, right, and now like magically it's not so Yeah it could you could. Hopefully we'll change around, all right, ladies and gentlemen, Mark Canyon, We're gonna every's gonna go pick up you know what. Listen, you don't even read the book, just go buy it. If you don't buy Marx book, Um, none of us. None. We're gonna kill Yanni if you don't buy a Marx book. So think about that. It's not a very that's not We're gonna it's gonna be horrible. Um, we're gonna plause fingernails out and then um, well you know what the guy was just telling me about. This is what I'm gonna do, Yanni. I was just talking to a journalist who used to work in Washington state, you know, and he was working on a story about these these this little meth group. It's a little meth production group. And they had a fallen out with one of their associates. Kind of like a theater group. Yeah, very structure, very similar to a theater group. Or they were in the meth rather than the production of drama. They were in the production of math. And they had fallen out with one of their associates and they tied him up to your tree out in the woods and covered him in bacon, thinking that he would be tortured and killed by a bear. And he wrote a piece about this, but then it wounded up being that the guy was able to get the bacon and kind of like wriggle it down in around the ropes and was able to grease his wrists and grease his ropes and slip out of the hold of the ropes thanks to the bacon grease. And it was his favorite story he ever wrote. And he said that every year around that time he re shares it on Facebook. Why was I talking about that? Oh yeah, because we'll kill Yannie like that if everybody doesn't buy Marks books. So if you want to keep you on your live, send us a picture holding Marks book and then we'll not We're gonna start probably a day or two pulling the fingernails. Um, we'll broadcast his cries of agony and and and and I imagine sales of skyrockets. So take your gift certificate. How much is the book? Fifteen bucks? Fifteen bucks? Steal still learn about public lands? That one when you're sitting around and you're talking to some jabots, that's Yiddish, I think, isn't it. I've never heard that word before. My dad had three primary insults he would call people. No one was Italian mingula morta. And I've checked with Italians and It's like a like a mingula morta would be someone who is dead below the waist, and that was a very certain type of person. Some people would be a horse's ass and that was a very specific type of person. And some people would be a jabots, which was very specific type of person in his mind. My father is Italian and horses ass as well, a type of guy horses as Yeah, very like a type of guy who was a horse's ass. Um you're trying to look up ya, don't, don't, don't fact check now, I just want to know what it means, yaba. It means like what you are if you don't buy a Mark's book. Why was I talking about? Many words? Was talking abouts? And that way you can share one if they're they're like, well, I got some questions about this public land stuff. Just say you know what read this and yeah, when you're talking to some yah boats and you're arguing with him about your talking to some horses, ask and you're arguing with him about public lands, and he's like, you'll be able to regale him with facts you learned out of Mark's book. There you go, Yah, you had your hand up. No I did not. I don't think you're supposed to wear a sand his hat that way. It's an l fat that's how they wear it. How about Oh, because the ball is in the front is into that Christmas wrap showing some stuff today. Yeah, I like that, John aid Man. On the seventh day of Christmas, my true love gave to me seven huss and Pepper, six jeets Up, Grouper, five big gold backgroups Fuller makes me postree fried Perch too, So said the squirrel in the crack Pot. On the eighth day of Christmas, my true love gave to me hey Corn, seven huss Fepper, six Jeetsup, Grouper five big old backgrounds floor makes me postree f Perch two smoke Cropper, send a squirl in a crock pot. Phil were Internet hit us with the hit Everyone hit our listeners with our with our tradition song from Filler on the Roof. It's not a Christmas that's right. We reached out to people to give us their favorite that's not even a holiday song. Did you grow up watching a lot of Filler on the Roof? Yes, you're kind of, did you know in my in my uh in in my lineage, and you sit around watching um the Warmer Jimmy Stewart wants to jump off the bridge. Yeah, yeah, did you guys watch Filler on the Roof at all? Were you raised to watch Fitter on the Roof? No, not really. I mean my high school put on Filler on the Roof as a play. Oh so you know about it? About it? The high school put it on every year the senior class. Oh, because you were raised you were raised in New York. I was raising in New York. That's cool. My brother loves that movie. We did an episode once um where we're saying it, but we're saying it. It was about how to get hot in permissions and we did that song we do permissions Permissions that mark I do remember that stuck in my head ever since. Hit it again, Phil. So we reached out to people on Instagram, even Ronella and uh ask people to share with us their best or no about best. We're just they're hunting fishing traditions. Hunting fishing holiday traditions are holiday personally, Wow, that's the moment we picked that. We picked the ones our Christmas like, Christmas is the probably the worst day hunting on the planet. Every Christmas, we would go out why is it the worst day where I lived? It was just horrible hunting. It was horrible hunting conditions. Yeah, he'd be like wags and out. You'd way out and to crotch deep snow. At that point in time, all the dumb squirrels are dead. It's not like great for rabbits yet, Like rabbits would get good later when you get like kind of compact and snow you can walk around on. You start getting sunny days days and start getting longer. Rabbits wanba be out. It's like a short ass day. All the dump squirrels are dead, it's just smart squirrels. All the leaves are down, so squirrels see you come from million miles away hunting at you know, scrub oat jackpine just horrible. But we would open our stuff up and then we'd head out into the cold and snow. And if if we four or five of us pounded it hard and we gotta squirrel or two, we'd be happy. Traditions. That was our tradition. That's right. Sorry, Did you guys have any good ones? A lot of all around hunting, no hunting fishing traditions? I had one and this is one that a lot of our audience wrote in about guys from Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania has a traditional flintlock muzzle. Other season flintlocks only patched roundball buckhorn sites, and it opens the day after Christmas. Right, So over Christmas breaks like a piece of flint strikes a piece of metal, and you could not use the caplock. That was too modern for Pennsylvania how to be a flintlock. So what was cool was because the same thing as you said, it was always snow shitty conditions. The deer had been kind of pounded, right, But very traditional gift was a flintlock muzzleodor kit, right, So you couldn't use it that year. You start saying, stand in that day, right, And so by the time next Christmas came you could take last year's present out and do the flintlock hunt. I used to force the sisters out. I wouldn't force, but I would strongly encourage them to come out and just do a quick bird hunt with me out at Mom's place. Where is that, uh in Shepherd, Montana outside of Billings and that's where you're raised sheep in Shepherd. Isn't that funny? Is that intentional? Was that a tradition. Uh no, No, it was the fact that those two are very fiscally conservative, and they found on the ugliest ranch that would have already been sheep fenced and uh dah, considered as much as frugal, very frugal. But you hung geese on that place. Now, yeah, well, um, that's a nice permission, it is. But I had, you know, give all the girls a shotgun and we'd go walk the ditch for pheasants um and they were that. My sisters were all, you know, very very safe, to the point where there's always at least one rooster on the ditch. My dogs would be working their butts off and the bird would get up. The girls would track the bird with the shotgun, never squeezing the trigger. And that was the entire hunt because they were just not trigger happy, right. They were just like, man, I don't know what's gonna happen if I hit this trigger. It was fun. Johnny, No, I don't think I have a hunting fishing tradition. I appreciate seven. If he didn't have a tradition, that is a tradition. Mark nothing. When you guys like I sit around your butts, uh well, you know, my one or hunting and fishing related tradition. I guess on Christmas, I always got a hunting or fishing magazine and I would read that on my butt, but it's hunting. Yeah, but it was Christmas, and mom said, stay in the house. We asked these people. Yeah, this guy when he was seven, he got a pellet gun for Christmas, and uh, he goes to is. He goes out and starts just a harvesting birds. He calls it an opportunistic hunt. And pretty soon he's coming back with a sack containing some blue jays, doves, pigeons, and affiliated woodpecker and his grand his mom comes out and freaks out on him and says, uh, you know, I'm gonna make you eat one of every one of those. He says, I gotta plan and eat him anyway, And his grandpa came out and said me too. So him and his grandpa, who was born during the depression, sat down and they ate up their birds. And then from then on every year they do what he calls again. They would do an opportunistic hunt for Christmas. Another guy rolled in it Christmas Day. They'd always have their eyes on some I don't understand this, he had some spots where there was a lot of doves that would congregate and parking lots of businesses, and since they knew that the businesses were closed on Christmas Day, they would hit those spots. Um. Another guy rolled into. Every year, he makes plans with his buddy to go hunt, and every year his buddy cancels the plans, And then every year he has a real good hunt. And he's come to believe there's some kind of higher juju at play here. So now whenever his buddy calls and cancels, he gets real excited. He's gonna get something. Guy says they One guy says they always hang their unfilled game tags on the Christmas tree. Um. This guy's my old stepdad's family treated the first day of squirrel season as if it was a holy day by always having it. This is kind of like a playoff Christmas Eve. They'd have a Squirrel's Eve family dinner and celebrate the night before. Then they'd get up and meet at waffle house at three am and then go get him. The use also liked on the holidays, they would like to go shoot pigeons out of the barn. And he got to be at the age where they told him to go in and spook the pigeons. He didn't really know what they meant, and he went in and blew a hole through the barn roof a guy. He says, they used to hang their quivers up instead of their stockings so Santa Claus can give them new arrows. Oh, I love that one. I'm stealing it. Guy says quote, I take the old lady and the hound out and shoot down our Christmas tree with a twelve gage. Guys, since we got says, we shoot our second guy. We shoot our tree down with the shotgun. We call it Christmas tree hunting. Another guy says, we've been doing this for probably twelve or fifteen years. It started when my dad and I went lyon hunting with the secondary objective of cutting down a Christmas tree. While out, we found a tree to harvest, but realized we had forgot to saw our acts, so we shot it down with Dad's thirty thirty. It's been a tradition ever since. A guy rode in. They pickled tongue. But the thing he brought up his boxing day. You guys, what boxing day is, isn't that Canadian? Yeah, it's the day after Christmas in Canada, they box all their ship up. I don't know what they think they all fought, but someone told me that they just he thinks it's because he boxed all yourself up and go home. It's a holiday. Sounds not have any Canadians in the office. No, not that I know about. The tradition. Uh. Guy, his dad always saved his deery shot in the fall so he could use them to make reindeer tracks outside. I had that happened to me when I was a kid. Look up when one morning and there was reindeer tracks all over and Santa wrote a message in the snow. Sure it wasn't white tail tracks, Well some kind of tracks. I feel like you should know anybody at the time. I didn't. Man, I know you didn't hunt on Christmas, so you weren't that dedicated. It was easily fooled. You were nice. Enjoy that. Can we jump back to the opportunity hunter yet? Oh, the guy that hunts all the songbirds with his gramps. Yeah, yeah, go on, it's not poaching, it's an opportunity hunting. That's what his grandpa from the depression would call it. His grandpa called an opportunity. Yeah, I don't know that, do I do? I need to take the time to point out the one shouldn't go out and on Christmas Day and kill pileated woodpeckers and eat him with your gramps. Okay, sorry to back up. Not that I'm supportive of it. You know this was a funny story. Not enough supportive of it. I just tell him like it is. He wrote in Um, I'm not speeding, officer, I'm taking advantage of the opportunity on the road and going very fast. Have a nice It's an opportunistic it's a tradition. Where are this guy is saying that every Christmas Eve so his mind dad had a deal or his my had to wrap up the presents, so the old man to take him out to fish snook under the bridge and Marco. Where's Marco, Florida, Florida. So guy from Marco, Florida, Christmas Eve comes around, mine needs to wrap up all the president's dad takes him the fish snook under the bridge. One time they're out there on Christmas, even as old man, they get a sting ray and get it into somehow the old man gets the barb through his thick leather work boot out the other side, so he cuts the stingrays barb off even though it's stuck in his leg. So now he just shows up with a stingray barb in his leg. The nurse on duty, uh somehow she gets the idea to put hot water on to neutralize the pain, but uses uh, such scolding hot water that it thoroughly blisters the old man's foot. The eventually get the bar about. He shows up at home and he's got the stingray bar which they extracted, tied around his neck as a necklace. Says, we'll always remember Christmas. Two thousand two. This guy says what they like to do on Christmas is they bond by going out and hunting pack rats. The two kids take twenty twos and the mind dad bust up the pack rat mound so everybody can shoot. Oh that's a good exchange. Fun. He didn't. He didn't say my guests would be Uh, yeah, I don't. I don't want to speak for him. Um. This guy says, I ignore my family. I go fishing instead. This guy says that every year Gramps would get out. Oh, Chef Cato. This guy is good dude. He says that every year Gramps would get out whiskey and pour a shot down the barrel of his single shot twelve gage. He was thinking it for all the game it brought is deep and touching. Um, my grandfather take my dad and I out quail hunting, and we couldn't quit until we all got our limit. With the hunting was tough. I'd end up eating some of his old Vienna sausages that he'd put down by the pickups floor heat or to warm them up. He always has some stale salteines to go with him. Uh. This guy they like to shoot, I'm not quite sure. They like to shoot bottle rockets at the our house. This guy anyone that's all about? Um? This guy is old. Man's got a cannon he likes to pull out. It's a miniature cannon and it perfectly fits a twenty gate shell. So he takes the pours the shot out, leaves the wad and the powder and the primer intact, and instead of where the fuse would go, he shoves this shell up in there and strikes it with a hammer. Guy reports his louder and hell on the ninth day of Christmas. My true look in to me nine buck, tom tacos, eight corny be your ham, seven huss and pepper, six cheeks on trouper, five big old back trous or makes me pies, three fried perch to smoke Cooper. Send a squirrel in a crock pie. On the tenth day of Christmas, My you're looking to me tan gators sliders, nine buck, tom tacos eight corner your hand, seven huss and pepper, six cheeps of grouper, five big old back STAPs or makes me pies, three fried perch to smoke Cooper. Sen a squirrel in a crock pot. On the eleven day of Christmas, My true love gave to me leaven pancer from like senn Gator sliders. Sign buck tom tacos, eight corn beat ham, seven hussan pepper, six cheeks of grouper, five big old back trops. I got a little story I'll tell because it was kind of about what we were just talking about about deer using deer prints on the snow outside. When we were kids, my parents would get the neighbors. They had like a leather it's like a half of a belt. I had a bunch of bells on it. I don't know what you call it, but you could like hanging off of a door, you know when you open the door to the bells jingle. That thing was like part of the Christmas kit. They'd whoop you guys with it. They would get the neighbors. They would give all the presents. We had no presents Christmas morning under the tree, there was zero. We'd open a bunch of Christmas Eve like that. We're from each other. Christmas morning, no presents under the tree. Then you'd be sitting around and having some breakfast, and then all of a sudden you hear jingle jingle jingle, and we but what did you hear that? Go in that window and we grow in to the window, and then by some other window your jingle jingle jingle like it's daylight out, Yeah, daylight out. And then and then all of a sudden at the front door, there'd be like a really big jingle noise and whatever, and we'd run to the front door and you open the door and there'd be a giant sack full of presents. That's a good Who would drop him off the neighbor Santa Santa would drop him off. That was your guys tradition. That was on Phil that's real. That's nice. Thanks for sharing, all right, Yeah, do you do that in your family? No, we haven't. No, my kids are already like there's no such thing. Oh man, dude, you gotta tell him the truth. Janni area hasn't paying taxes. Yeah, it's really odd thought. Our houses that we have, like they staunchly are, are nonbelievers of Santa Claus and Karma. I try to drop Karma and then the other day and they're like, that's the craziest we ever heard. Yeah, like if some guy, you tell me, some guy doesn't shop drop off press, should not believe it that they lose a tooth and did. They are all in on writing that letter too. We've named her pearly white, pearl white, I forget which one we use, but they're all into writing that letter, and they are very serious and like there's no questioning whether or not she the fairy comes and trades out to doental work for cash. But yeah, Santa Claus and Karma, they're not into it. You're only speaking that. Did you hear that noise? What is that noise? It wasn't bells, wasn't it? It's son of a bit Christmas miracle. That's karma. Oh you a special holiday, the special Holiday special, boys and girls. This is called the kids corner of the special Holiday Special. When we get a visit from Big Man himself and you you people who might not appreciate how special saying is. Let me let me hit here with this. That's something I'd like to revisit. This is uh this some stats pulled by Spy magazine many years ago. This establishes how miraculous the Santa Claus Just how special does it happen? Here? This man and are this man here in our presence? He every years services and estimated three hundred and seventy eight million Christian children. If you imagine that fift of those Christian children are bad and don't get anything, so he doesn't need to do anything for him. And you give it that, you have a whopping three point five Christian children per household. This man still is visiting every year eight million homes. Even with the rotation of the earth. He's only got thirty one hours of darkness to get it done. This man in our presence, right here at busiting us here today can pull off eight hundred and twenty two point six home visits per second. It takes him a thousandth of a second to pull off a single home visit, not counting trans oceanic legs of his trip, this man travel seventy two million, five thousand miles every Christmas. He's going six hundred and fifty miles per second. He's going three thousand times the speed of sound. If he were to only bring each kid him easily two pounds of presents, this man pulls three hundred and twenty one thousand tons of toys behind him in his sleigh. His lead reindeer. His lead reindeer at these speeds is absorbing fourteen point three quintillion jewels of energy per second. If these were normal reindeer, he would be sloughing off. If these were first off, these are no reindeer. He would need two hundred, fourteen thousand and two hundred reindeer to pull that load in four point to six thousands of a second. Two fourteen reindeer at this speed, or we sloughed off into char at that at those speeds. Stephen, Stephen, I'm not a numbers guy, but that sounds wonderful. This man sitting here today is subjected to send trivical forces seventeen thousand, five hundred times greater than the earth gravitational force. He is pinned to the back of his sled with four million, three hundred seventy five thousand and fifteen tons of force at those speeds, Ladies and gentleman standard class. Thank you, Thank you. If he can't do that, if he can't do that, then he damn sure wouldn't be able to write a good poem. Damn right. Listen, Stephen uh here, you have child three children? Three children, correct? One girl and two boys. That's correct. That correct, that's I'm not familiar with your program. The elves were telling me all about sounds lovely. They told me you have three children, one boy? What, one girl and two boys? Is that correct? Yes, that's correct, Santa. Your first boy's name is Ryan incorrect, your girl's name is Janice correct, and your second boy's name is Marcus. No, you're right, that's correct. That's lovely. You have a television program. I'm I've not seen it as it's not a knitflex that's not that's that's wonderful. I'm very proud of all of you. Merry Christmas, and you're not welcome at the North pole because the elves telling me that you kill brain deer on occasion I have. We won't speak of it. What do you need now for me? Very busy for kids to round out Kids Corner in the first annual special Holiday Special. Uh, we would like a poem? You would like a poem? And knowing the incredible feats, you're a bow. I feel like it's a small thing. I've just written it just now. Are you ready? I am ready. It's called twas the Night before Deer Season. I've just written it in the last minute. Are you ready, Anthony, I'm ready. Santa, You're naughty. Twas the Night before Deer Season went all through the woods. The hunters were prepping all of their goods. Quiet quiet, Stephen, Santa's talking you shush it. The bass layers were hung in the wall tent with care and hopes that first light soon would be there. Janice or Janie was nestled all snug in his cot with visions of cross hairs and taking the shots with and Cal and his lip broom, and Steve and his wool. They each had a bottle of whiskey to pull. When out of the darkness arose such a sound Stephens sprang from his chair to see what was around away to the tent flap. Taking immediate flight, he threw back the canvas and stepped into the night with an led lamp strapped to his head. He saw in the darkness a book in its bed, and what, to his wondering eyes should he see? The buck's giant rack had rubbed every tree. His frame was wide, and taking one more look, it was a buck. Moon and Crockett would put into their book his ties, how they twinkle, His muscles hal tents, His aunt was like the pickets, and the most wonderful fence. The big giant buck had a broad, saggy belly that shook when he laughed, like a bowl full of jelly. Calm down, Mark Kenyon, you seem to be excited. You're sweating. Your brow is filled with Santa doesn't sweat. I get very busy, but I do not sweat. You are a sweat hearing in this. You should get a handkerchief. He was chubby and plump, with full of cold fighting fat. Though the meat eater man had ruined his nap, Steve dreamed to be shouldering and naming his gun, gripping and grinning, sure wouldn't be fun. The buck piste on his tossils and with a twist of his head, let Stephen know there would be nothing to dread. He sprang down the trail, looking just like a missile, and the way he flew like the down of a thistle. But the hunter exclaimed as the buck ran out of you, I hear, does and spike box have tasty back straps too? Ho ho bet eaters. Then I just wrote that. Now it took me one minute. In twelve seconds, that's valuable time. Quite health. Who let you out of the workshop? Santa, thank you so much for dropping by. There ends the end of the kid's corner of the special Holiday Specialist. And if you'd like, we're gonna step out of this room and we're gonna go do the Latvian holiday tradition of melting lead. And then you breathe all those toxic fumes, and then you throw the lead into a bucket. It's a bucket of water. The lead slidifies into a crazy shape. You hold the shape up and make a finger puppet with it, and then that predicts your future, if you'd care to join us. I have no idea what you're talking about that sounds dangerous. I've never been to a lot for you, but it sounds nice. So go on, Stephen, go on. All right, everybody once again, give it up for Santa busy and busy man. All right, he's gonna go to the shop mall. Goodbye, goodbye. He's wanted right now at four thousand shopping malls. Listen to the hunting collectors. Okay, Yanni, what do we need to know, you know, setting out to do this, Well, what you need to know first is that all these traditions, like I said earlier, club celebrating the winter solstice, not necessarily Christmas, and the winter solstice is like the it's the new year basically on like a calendar that nature provides. Right. So if you just throw out December in January and just looked at like, what when the year sort of flips over for uh yeah, days get mighty shortly, it's all depressed. Day start getting longer again. So all of this stuff sort of has like a finish up with one thing, start a new thing theme going throughout the whole thing. Um before, we've talked about the ule log, which I think now after doing some research on the ul log. It's not exactly the same thing, but the log that we like to toe toe around the house with a rope while we're singing Latvian folk songs. Yeah, I've been to this, You've been to it. That's right, everybody, you chop what happens now? I can't remember what I did. Um, we dragged the log around the house three times to rid the whole homestead of any sort of bad juju, bad spirits, anything that might be negative, like surrounding like the place itself, right then, so that the humans can participate sort of getting rid of their own demons, mishaps, negativities, anything bad that you want to sort of forget from the last year and put it behind you and have and be able to look forward to the clean slate. You can do And I read recently that you can use multiple ways into the log. You can chop it, which is what we do. Yeah, Like I walked up and I'm like, yeah, it's now, that's yat it. He and I wept and chopped into the log. Yeah. You could also, um, just tie a little string around the log. But he could do that and that sort of symbolize that way. Yeah, we once did we were at a place where we didn't have room for the log or whatever, and so instead we all just wrote things down on a piece of paper and like sort of like a scroll and rolled it up and then everybody would just pitch them into the fire. So like urban parents who aren't comfortable with their children wielding an axe, you can have them go tie. Oh, yeah, that's right. And so you've got a big bonfire going. And so once everybody's done chopping or tying their thread or string onto the log, you pitch it into the bond, just a string, because you know what it means, that's right. And again it's just the it's the traditional is just symbolic of you know, leaving the bad stuff behind from the last year traditions, tradition. I want to give you guys a little hot trivia tip. Guys, this very handy this holiday, I think, so right when don't you like a little you're a trivia player, phil Onn't you like like, well, it's like a tip that might come in handy during trivia because I feel like this questions that could come up in trivia. Does anybody know where and when the first Christmas tree was erected? Germany. I thought they called it the old Tall bomb. Yeah, they did it about a hundred years after they erected one in the capital city of Latvia. Riga that you're telling me your own research, but I'm not here to debate it at this moment. Want to give you guys a little telling me that the Latvians came up with the Christmas tree. Men of the local merchants guild decorated a tree with artificial roses, danced around it in the marketplace, and then set fire to it. God, you guys are dramatic. Dramatic, Yeah, I mean burning every It's like just all the decorating and burning. It sounds like all that and fire. Yeah yeah, what do you nay? Burn it? Then decorated you have bonfires? Okay, Why did that guy send us the thing about how Lava is the most introverted country? What about it? He said that Lavia he saw something at the Lavian embassy that said Lavia is the world's most introverted. Yeah, trying to get introvers to like talk about their introvert noess, but but you guys have such uh like flamboyant expressions around the holidays. It just doesn't strike me as introversion. Introversion. I think it just seems flamboyant because you've never heard of it. You know, if if if someone had never heard of your Christmas traditions and you told him about it for the first that's a good point. I'd be like, No, a huge dude comes down to chimney dude, and then we take some raw eggs and mix them with milk and cream and whiskey and drink it. Yeah, it sounds weird, but okay, we'll try it. That's a good point I ever thought about like that. I gotta Latvian folk song, um here a traditional My mom said, I needed somebody else to tell me what's uh note to start on, But we don't have anybody here that can help me out with them. No no, no, no, no, no no, no dubbing a leetle called no, I missed it. You guys want to listen to my mom us with your mom. Let me it's not it's not hold on. Let me just be available to let me just listen into her for just a second. And then no, no color do color do zia maslak i calor do color do the c s KiHa gardi color do color do? That's Christmas. It's beautiful. Oh you know, you know, a good showman would have gone because now you gotta follow that up. I was some Yeah, I would have song and then played your mom because now you gotta that was beautiful and then you gotta get now. Yeah, I know. All I wrote down was start alone and go high being all yet inch le cala do cala do zia mas fatkuva god i cala do calla. That's that's wonderful. Give a cop more Lysiani. I like it when your mod does it. I bet there's a little more melody and harmony and all those things associated with what music is, what you like to hear and muse. Let me hear it again. Mix it into the dance remix version. It's still cute and hell to watch. It's still cute and hell to watch you sing. Thanks, umv see see ki ja god dingy cala do calla do see that being you vs. Nah y'a calla do calla do be soon nacked he sets he's daga cala do calla do see da being y'all? Look do I see calla do calla do wonderful, wonderful couple more, No, there's only one more. Anyways, you want to know what the words mean? Uh? Come, they told me rumba pump pump. You got the rumpa pump pump. Yeah, that's just the chorus. So Kala dow is the same in English as it isn't latvian um, but it's uh sorry. A silver rain was falling at winter solstice night. All the teeny tiny branches gave the silver a ride. Candors candles burned all night long in silver candle holders. The moon shows the way to those bringing the Sun's daughter. The son gave her daughter from the land of the deceased to this land. Geez. I'm not sure if it's the nutmeg, but that's truth about that's translation of the song. So someone else might give you a different version, but there you go. So to look into the future. Um, we have what's called limus leah shanna, which if you translate that literally, it means pouring luck or pouring happiness leah shian of being the verb pouring and lineman being luck or happiness. Um. Researching for today, I don't think I'd ever personally defined what linement was to me, but it comes come to find out it's very hard to define, let alone translate, and that Latin philosophers have sort of like battled and debated over this for hundreds of years because it's not just like um, happiness, but it's more of like a state of being. There's like other emotions attached to it, from simple satisfaction to great joy. Um. Some theologians and philosophers describe it as living a successful and good life rather than a simple emotion. So it's deep. So what you're about to do encompasses all that. You're not just like sort of forecasting like what might happen, but it's sort of like how you might feel and be for the next year. But you can see why I like it because basically, if you've got Lineman, you just have like a in a good positive attitude about life. I believe if you have that, you know life should be pretty smooth for you because you perceive it as such. That's right. So um, I think we can roll and pour some lead. So quick walk us through the process real quick. Yes, okay, so we that's how we always done it. Um. You basically have a small pot that you usually go to uh thrift store and buy because Once you melt letting it, you're not gonna use it again to cook um noodles for your kids anymore. Um, So you have to have it's simple. You don't need a lot. So you guys ever invested in one of those lead like my old man had one of those lead melting it looks like a bull scrolled them with a spout. No, I don't. I don't know if they gets sophisticated about it. I don't know if you'd like to have a spout, because that might like trip up the actual throne kind of like dictate your future. That's right, okay, go on. Um So, yeah, some fishing sinkers is what we buy, and you need a bucket, um. But then you can also just do it like in your sink um, just fill it up with cold water. I think if you had a minimum of six inches, that's probably enough so that by the time it hit the bottom, it's not gonna, you know, adhere to the steel. Um. Then so yeah, small pot and a way to heat it up and melt the lead. That's it. And so once you have a pot and I'm trying to think how much we're gonna it's been a few years since I've done it. But I'm guessing like a two or three ounce fishing sinker or that amount is gonna be enough to produce a nice uh pour of lead. Yeah, you don't want to predict too much your future. No, I mean we're just trying to do one year. You get about a year per ounce. Yeah, um so yeah, once you haven't melted in the pot, hover over the bucket of cold water, and then quickly in one motion, spill it into there. Throw it into there, pour it into there, and then it immediately it makes kind of a loud popping noise and it immediately solidifies and you pick it up out of there, and the fun starts. And you guys like to throw the shadow with a candle or a flashlight candle for sure, because then you get the movement of the flame. It makes it dance, be dancing all here. Mm hmmm. I hope we throw marks and it's a giant white till it might be like Margot think he's gonna get a big one, but he doesn't realize that he's just gonna get stomped to death by one. Oh, you're like any minute out chewing on gold while stomping on my head. It might be a whole herd, a big giant buck. Yeah, when you see a big buck, don't get excited because you're not gonna know what it means. Man steering clear the back for you next year. I know better to go out there. I saw my lead, all right, let's go for some lead. Blador on a piece of lead inside a little tin looking pot. The leads Milton and starting to run down to the bottom. It looks like, uh, that's smarts Anagar movie Terminator two, the guy that gets shot. But then he was like, yeah, it gets back up again. Does it looks like this the second terminators in there? How is it like all liquid fide now and you're just gonna ducking that's a lot of futures. Oh that came a good Yeah, here, I'll get another one going and pull yours out. This does not look like a festive holiday thing to Steve and his respirator. What's gonna happen to the picture doesn't come completely as the shadow? Right, you can do both. You can do both. I don't any going to it and Taper who's doing the next one? It's a real satisfying noise is gonna goes in for pot, fight me off, you want to do any like one? You know? Yeah, oh, that's absolutely a thing block that Mark's future. Alright, so we are we've poured the lad and now correct me if I'm wrong, honest, But we are examining the lead through by looking at its shadow that it casts on the wall with a candle as the light. And now we interpret what the lead shape means for Mark's future. I like to remind everybody that remember how saying how lineman is like the easiest way to translate it is happiness. So this isn't this is your future in a very fun and positive way. I see like an olive branch, bonds eye tree, an olive branch like peace. Oh then backpacker, backpacker looking back Mark will go backpacking. Maybe he's got something he's maybe it's Mark in a backpack. He's singing about public lands. You see something very dark. I see a very arthritic hand with an arthritic hand with a growth. A man with a knife sticking out of his chest. So when you see uh, cancer and knives and chests and whatnot, those thoughts you just need to throw out of your head. With all due respect, man, these crazy ass lavia lead shapes do not look positive. I think you seem to get have a better imagination. But see there's that arthritic hand again. Steve Bringers over here, I see old lady, an old monk with arthritic arms. The un Anthony, Come on, Anthony's future is in disarray. See a lot of disorder with a fire ant biting the guy in the back. There's it's an old arthritic worm. Let's think about Kel's problem is that his future is greatly segmented, shattered, almost a shattered future, some might say. Some might say, it's let's start to put a little more positive Anthony. Maybe he doesn't have a shattered future. Maybe he has a diverse and diversified uh dropping my future around the ground chat. Maybe his future shattered in many ways. It was up there, Karin, what are you feeling? No, it kind of looks like a dinosaur. Well that was a long time ago. That's not the future. It's a totally the wrong way. She might find some next year. Oh yeah, I wasn't looking at the bright side. Old lady, big head, You're gonna be a big headed old lady this year. It's gonna be a year that just means you're getting smarter, Karan just means your brains getting bigger, an arthritic old. Remember, as I was saying again, this will be the third time I remind you guys that Lima is happiness and we're forecasting are happy future positives positive? Oh she strangled the turtle. Come here and Steve will tell your fortune. You know, it's like you're seeing worm get squished and get all dried out on the sidewalk, like old dried out fishing bait. I think it looks like a plant under the ground growing. No, no, yeahld excited. I'm excited, hopefully. It looks like someone figuring out the ventilation in the studio. Okay, it looks like an arthritical which his finger it does. This is a good game. Oh my gosh, you're growing your mustache back. Look at out this future. It's like Phil got a bad scar on his lip and it killed the hair growth. Then he grew a mustache. Do you have time for me to go to Yea, The eagles gotta go. He is his deal man. Wouldn't be funny. We didn't let you go. Oh it's a man carrying another body over his shoulder, said Steve. Steve. It's like kind of dried out carcass am. I carrying Steve up a mountain or down about or just carrying him a metaphorically, you carry Steve into the future. Okay, ladies and gentlemen. There concludes the Special Holidays Special first annual to Me Eater podcast. I want everyone out there to know that we love him to death. Old painful arthritick death notice. We just love him to death. Thank you very much for joining us. 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