00:00:08 Speaker 1: This is Me eat podcast coming at you shirtless, severely, bug bitten, and in my case, underwear listening podcast. You can't predict anything presented by on X. Hunt creators are the most comprehensive digital mapping system for hunters. Download the Hunt app from the iTunes or Google play store. Nor where you stand with on X. All right, let's um she probably I know Yanni's gonna want to do it this way. Yanni's gonna want to start with introductions. He's always worried about getting his credit. I think let's start with Johnny. No, I've told you why I'm worried about it. I'm worried about it really because your dad gets curiously. Yeah, he really liked He really appreciates that. That like thirty minutes and he's like, Okay, I know who's talking. He likes that. Uh So for Jana sr um uh as though dealing poker Brodie Henderson, it's a little more. You can do a little more, Meat Eater Senior editor, that's some talking, a little more, a little little headache this morning by selling his house. I mean he's a great fishing property. Dude, Pop want to talk. Yeah, he's got red Fox in his yard. He can hunt elk basically in his backyard. He can walk down the hill and fish giant northerns and catch crayfish and trouse. What else? How many how many way points does the property come with? Like in surrounding public? Don't care how much you want to pay for the place? I guess, Oh yeah, some where it is south the steamboat springs off the grid, Yes, but not like that contrus Bomber off the grid. It's like there's an actual neighborhood with actual houses and you know, so it's just the annoying parts of being off the grid. Yeah, yeah, solar it's not bad. No, but for the people that like want to like feel like they're living in the mountains, but then have the you're in the mountains, yeah yeah, I mean I got wilderness area half a mile from my house. Yeah, but you also have like a lot of the conveniences that modern day people like to have around. Yeah, what what give me your Zillo ordeal? Everybody can look up your estimate. Man, I don't know if I want. Yeah, it's for sale, all right, don't tell I don't sell your house, just look up. Founder Rich Pounder was trying to sell his car on this program, and I think he might have he got a good offer. Three one four four zero sho show anyway, Stagecoach Colorado zero, Sam's Quentin, She's gonna go by Brodie's house. You don't do it, I mean, come on, because you're like you're like, look, it's like asking somebody how many acres they have and how many cows they got on it. I learned that was a major faux pa the other week. But you're the one who started this conversation. Well, I know I don't think that people would. I haven't looked up Brody's estimate. That's it wants to add? Should we edit all this hour? You think you want to keep it in there for the selling? Keep it in there. I think you're you're asking price is a little low. Oh that's a geez, Brody. That is a really phenomenal deal. I mean that's a buyer that's a buyer's market right there. You really Yeah, that's really nice. I hope you don't have a broker, because you just basically took over the broker's job. Well that's all right, as long as it sells, she'll still get her commission, right, Okay, Moving along. We have the hog Farmer Kevin Harlanders, right, Kevin from First Light, Glad to be here. Um, what's your hog business? Call? Is their name? No Nameander Hogs? No, we don't really have a name. How many did you do this year? We did four? We're going to do like thirty next year. Though, I've been telling people you were just going incremental. Now we're gonna go big. Yeah, we're partnering with some folks back there. It's gonna be doing next I think so, yeah, bringing in partners. Oh yeah, we're getting serious. So then you need a name and you need to brand its. Yeah I can, Yeah, we can do that. I guess we should brand it. Probably. I like this kind of this like sort of under the table friends and family. You know, we could do thirty, I think, yeah, it's the table with selling me. It's not going to be friends and family, you know. So it's it's sort of like off sale, so to speak. If I was with the U. S d A, I'd be looking up your situation right now, man, Yeah, I probably would be too very tasty hog. I've been really enjoying my half. Yeah, you guys been need not a little bit. Yeah, but it's like you gotta spread it out, man. Yeah. Yeah, that's a treat, dude. It's a It's like because if you eat a lot of like get lean gaming, you get in one of the pork chops the first by the first. But I was like, oh my god, is that good? Exactly? We probably we mix it up. We need a lot of elk at our house. Well, I've been grinding, mind, I've been grinding my fat and whatnot into my beer burger. That's kind of what the main thing I wanted. Yeah, but then you know what, I didn't do that. I haven't eaten any of it. I just froze it. I froze it. Yeah, but we got another pig. We gotta pig the fat, a little bit of fat off a pick called beans the pig and beans. You guys got beans, beans the hog. So I did some burger with beans the hog. And I did some burger with um what was the name of the one I bought from you pork you don't, you don't, you don't name? It was pork and beans. We had two pigs named beans. Um so thirty I think so I got that many friends? Oh yeah, oh yeah, plenty of people in Eastern Oregon. Do you you know what the question I can't want to ask each I didn't know the answer to it is um Are you you know how um trigger noses has been eliminated from? I mean, you know, for all intensive purposes has been eliminated from uh closed system pork? Are you how how cocky are you about eating harlander hogs rare? Yeah? We eat them probably medium rare. I'm pretty confident in that. Yeah. So you don't feel that they've been eating all kind of bear meat and rats, No, because they're they're been a control of environment still, you know, they're pastures, but that pastures clean for sure. And then they're getting that um grain in the form of barley. Um. So's the stuff that they're eating is is uh basically pasture grays like coggs, and and then uh a little bit of barley. And that's the barley that comes from making beer, right, Yeah, same barley, but it's different. It's two roll barley, which that's what they're making the beer. Um. And then there's like different kinds of barley that's made for animal feed and other kinds of things. To have I been lying when I've been telling people that you were getting some kind of byproduct of beer production. Yeah, that's true. I wasn't lying. Yeah, yeah, and that's that's actually a nice filler. And uh, it's good grain too, but it is a different kind of barley between beer and stuff that they're putting back into into feed. In my first book, I wrote about a guy that um an old neighbor mine in Miles City, Montana that used to fat and hogs on horse meat. Yeah, And he said that they would take the horses into the hog pen and shoot him, and then he would do all the skinning cuts on the horse and tie it, said, to a post, and pull the hide with a tractor because you could sell the hides for three or four bucks. And then he said, a couple of days later, you need to go in there and throw all the bones out of there, because the hogs started to crush those bones and the gag on the bone shards. And he said he never wanted to send them to market with a belly fan the belly full of horse flesh. Yeah, So he said he would finish him on barley because he's always scared of what they'd think if they opened them up and they had meeting him and he said that their condition would deteriorate on barley. He said their tail would lose. Some of them had a real nice tight corkscrew, and he said that corkscrew would start to loosen. And he said the luster on their fur would start to fade when you put him on barley. And that's how he knew though, that was time to time to take him to market. And this guy too would. He was telling me they used to raise in the thirties. They would raise turkeys and they would send they would raise turkeys for Thanksgiving and all their turkeys would go to Minneapolis, and to keep the turkeys from rotten, they'd send him in barrels. And you didn't want to make any gutting cuts on the turkey because you just it allows back to you to get in there. They would before it came time to slaughter them, they would stop feeding the turkeys for a couple of days and just give them water because they wanted their whole digestive system to flush. And then you could kill him, pluck him and put him in barrels and they wouldn't rock because no one had opened up the gutting cavity. Yeah, he had a lot of I told his story thousand times. But his they would jack up a truck and use the and pull a tire off and use it to drive a belt to cut. I'll tell you what he happened. You know about his thought. Didn't you tell it? Didn't you tell the story all the time. Yeah, every week, Um cut his thumb off and his brother flicked it into the hogpen. And yeah, so he'd come over and he'd do stuff. But you always have to instead of pinching it between his finger and his thumb, he'd always pinched everything between his finger and what would be like the meat at the base, Yeah, thumb. But he could peel. He could peel sweetbreads like that. That's crazy. Yeah, pinching it like that. Man, this is working hand. He had a wife named Agnes n Um. When he died, somehow my brother like inherited cases of slim fast that were in his garage. My brothers walk around sounds like whenever he went hunt and he just fills backpack slimy. That's a good idea for next year. Dead man A dead man slips. They were out we were at hunting one time and our buddy Pooter was there and Matt was drinking all the slim fast and pos saying, man, you're gonna be nothing but skin and bones you keep living on slim fasts. Maggie, Hello, Megan's got a little mechanics suit on. I agree, I commented so cute. Thank you? Anything else that doesn't take you away from the fact that it's a mechanics I don't know what to say about it. I just like it. Uh. How did you find that mechanics suit? Um? From made Well? Yea, I bought it new. Yeah, it's made well and Dickies did a collapse so that women can have good looking but like also, you know, durable clothing. So yeah, like that. It's great. Thank you. I like it to Did you have to pay full price for it? M No, I got it on Black Friday. I've been stocking. They had half a brain, had half brain? Did get ahold of you, Maggie Smith? Uh, they'd get holding and send you a stack of those suits. My own team, please do made Well. Yeah, mag he's got a mechanic suit. Um, Phil, he just he's you know, he's down here the switchboard. Wow, go on, Phil, Nothing. I was just I thought you're commenting on my you were disappointed by my shirt since it's not as you know, Phillis looks like everybody else. No no zipping suits. Yeah, um filled the engineer. Yeah, phil is gonna start skateboard this year. So that haircut, I'm gonna say, it's getting a little like punk rock like that. It gets like that. Then he gets a haircut. I've got one schedule for Monday. I want to see how far we could take that. I don't mean this to be offensive, but it kind of got that. Justin Bieber Young, Justin bub this is my hair for all of high school. Yeah, oh man, you must have been real popular. What's the ladies, because the intros you take us a long. I just want to interrupt the intro to say that what we're doing is we have four No, no, you're gonna go hardcore. I just want to tease. I want tea supposed to come. Um, we have four brand new, brand new, successful first time big game hunters, so we're here to talk about that set of experiences. Go ahead. I actually was just gonna say, yes, we should hurry up with the introductions, so I'll just say good morning and pass. We have four newsy tidbits to hit too. So um, Sam, Hi, I'm Sam. Give a little more. Oh Um. I sit upstairs and production in a corner. Pretty dark, but I love it up there because people leave me alone. All right, good deal. I'm Kylie. This is Kylie's first time on the show. Sit next to Phil. Feel very feel very lucky to be with Phil in that little corner there. Kyle, he's one of our brand new um first time big game Hunters, first time successful big game hunter. Yeah. And then like a regular, Tracy, A regular, A regular Hunter. You've been on the show. How many times? It's only my second time on the show. Look into your mike better. Yeah. Well, I'm glad I'm a regular, but it's only my second time on the show. But now I guess I'm a regular hunter too. Yep. And you've been on our You've been on our television program. That is true. So if you watched, if you go into our season eight on Netflix and watch, I can't remember what it's called, Turkey, Turkey trouble. The names of the shows always man and there were a lot of troubles name. I'm never really pleased with the names of the television programs. Great episode, that great episode, horrible title. Uh. If you go look up, you'll see both Maggie and Tracy, and Maggie has been on the show this show a couple of times, dying the television program. Okay, that's introduction. Now we got to talk about a couple of things. Have you guys ever heard My brother sent this to me this morning. If you guys ever heard it's a German word file storch. That. No, I'm not sure what I'm saying. Who here's harland or that's not German? Oh? Yeah it is. What do you think about that word? I don't know, don't don't speak German. Yeah, but you're blowing the whole deal. What do you want to do on pronunciation? File Storch? Yeah, I think that p is definitely silent, right or creates the fun? Yes, it's not yeah file storch. Um, my dad, you know he I taught those four too, but he never His distaste for the Germans never waned after fighting World War Two, and um, he would when demonstrating how why he disliked Germans so much. He learned how to say I love you in a bunch of different languages and uh, and he'd say it and you'd always put like a little regional flare on all the different languages how you say I love you. Then you'd get to to prove his point about Germans, he would get to how they like to say it, which is he'd be like alb, he goes, even I love you sounds horrible. To be fair, I am half Polish. Yeah, he likes He thought you guys drank too much and liked a Kodians too much. So a file so a file stora is a thing called the arrow stork. This is like I was throwing there real quick. I think that the h on the end. I haven't even looked at it. Him guessing there's h on the end. I'm guessing it's gonna be a sound file store. Yeah, okay, that's good because it translates to arrow stork. And my brother sent us to me. I'm like, that can't be true. But then we had a big back and forth and he proved out the veracity of it. There's a thing called an arrow stork, and it's a name given. It's a name in Germany given to storks that were injured by arrows in Africa. And when before people understood migrations, there was all these theories about where this species of stork went m and people had ideas that it went and lived in the water that went to the bottom of the ocean. Where where it went. But over the years, twenty five of these storks were found alive carrying arrows from African hunters. Wow. And there's a picture on Wikipedia which is doing a very aggressive fundraiser right now p F p F E I L S T O R c H. And you'll see a, uh, it's sitting, the specimen is sitting. It was found in and it's mounted somewhere that got it on explay. But it's sitting there and it's like a it's mounted, but it's a bird carrying around this crazy arrow stuck in his neck. And over the years twenty five of these turned up and it started to help explain migrations. Isn't it wild enough of them to have their own name? There? It is right there? You did you to know, Oh it's a Central Africa? Yeah, wow, twenty five of them and that one you can tell the dude was the dude was shooting at it flying overhead because the arrow like enters, you know, kind of like enters. It's basically enters its throat and emerges, you know what kind of blow its chin or at the base of its head. But you're assuming that the taxidermists put it back together the exact Well, no, I'm not assuming that. In fact, you know, I don't think that that bird was standing on the ground when I got an arrow like that. Oh yeah, feeding, I'm just saying that the arrow could be upside down when it was you know, from the way it was found, we don't know put it in there, took the arrow out, forgot how it was in there, and put it back in the wrong way. What year do you think this happened? Okay, okay, So the bird was found or killed somehow and it had this arrow in it, then it had to travel and make it to a taxidermist. Right he wasn't the guy. That happened just happened. Me standing there and the thing falls out of the sky and he's like, oh my god, look at this. Right. So I'm just saying that some things could have happened in travel transport where he got this thing. And they're like, yeah, we found this bird had an arrow stuck in its neck. Can you taxidermy it for us? So you think that the archer was in a hot air balloon and shot it like the angle could you know, could have been different. I agree with you that the bird could have been with his neck down eating. I mean it would have been. It'd be nice if we could have seen all and see where all those arrows were in those birds. Would be interesting. See when we retire, maybe we make that. You know, Larry Todd had that whole retirement, the thing you did up in the mountains. The anthropologist. Yes, yeah, well maybe this will be like when we retire, we'll pick this up. The file stork, the file storre um. Another quick thing, bro, do you go with your quick thing? Oh? I know, I'll hit another one real quick. They just found to this is some creepy This is great. In Ecuador, they unearthed two infants that were buried more than two thousand years ago, wearing helmets made from the skulls of older children. Oh and the way the bones were held together. They feeled it this flesh that the skin and flesh on the older children's head was still intact when they made the helmets for the young kids. That's some Cormette McCarthy ship right there. Oh, Yeah, that's so far up my alley, I can feel it tickling my tonsils. Any conclusion to why they did that, Like, no one. Nothing I read was taking a stab at it. And like we we always joke, like everything in anthropology, you see something weird, like most been ceremonials, but on this I would be like, that has to have been some Yeah, yeah, that's very bizarre. Dude, that's hardcore. Unless the kids were skateboarders. They're very near a half pipe. Uh you go, Brodie, you want me to talk about the Yeah, yeah, the asshole. Yes, I'm not even called him a gentleman um but a uh and yeah, he can't call him a hunter either, apparently he uh he's this guy shot yeah, shot a giant bear black bear in Minnesota. Uh add a garbage jump on and Indian reservation that he trespassed to get into. Um and then of course went on to to brag about his kills. A seven hundred pound bear cut its head off, didn't take all the meat like this guy put the paws off. Put on Instagram that I got it done last got it done last night. Absolute giant over seven hundred pounds. So he's like obviously posing himself as a hunter. He wants people to think he's a hunter, but he's got a long list I mean dudes like a career poacher. Yeah, career poacher and career criminal outside of poaching. Um, so how is he allowed to I mean, that's that's the stird like he got in trouble. Is a felon because he's bow hunt not at all, I mean hardly but quiet. He's a felon. So one time he got introlled for having a gun because he's not supposed to have a gun. And then he gets caught with a gun and it's his girlfriends ex boyfriend's gun. And that's kind of the most interesting character to emerge out of this article. The girlfriend's ex boyfriends. Yeah, that's like, yeah, I'll tell about why I think he's the most interesting character to emerge out of the article is like I can see if you had a you and your girlfriend breakup that like whatever, you left some books, some underwear? How over there? You leave your six over there and never go get it. Maybe she wouldn't let him come get it. Maybe she's took it from him. Why was it that her house? Who knows you got a thing that the people, these characters that we're talking about, right, like the circles that they run in that uh they got maybe he just forgot all about his thirty at six Like that could be as plausible as anything. Yeah. Yeah, So go on about this guy, well, I mean, like we said, he's just done everything wrong. And uh, the thing that strikes me about this kind of article when they pop up as you always see it like Hunter, Like they they call the guy a hunter, and they shouldn't be calling the guy hunter, right, It's they should be calling him a criminal or a poacher. Yeah whatever. Yeah, that's the thing I don't look about is be like Hunter and be like oh, those hunters. But then you look like who did the enforcement on the investigation and get in trouble. He's getting in trouble, like he's in violation of game laws. Yeah, a couple federal the federal charges. I don't think we're even involved with the the actual hunting part of it. That'll be taken care of later. Um, what did he get charged with? Yeah, okay, he transported wildlife and violation of tribal law and he trespassed on Indian land hunt. So those are the federal charges. State charges will come later. It's amazing the way people a lot so many poachers, um can't they still have to go on to social media. They can't help themselves. It's like the whole thing is Yeah, I agree. I feel like it's part of the intention or the motivation down in Kentucky, Like why all of this right, because they were talking about like rings and families of you know, poachers, poacher gangs, and it's like so I'm thinking, like, well, there must be like money involved, right, that's why you would do all this and risk getting in trouble and lose you're hunting rights because like in the end you're selling a trophy head fort. No, it's pure back bragging rights. Yeah, but you'd think words would have gotten out by now that that's how you're going to get caught, you know, like like that's just comes yeah anyway, again, the types of people that we're talking about here, Yeah, no, I know. But so how do you resolve that situation? Somebody who has a track record like that, who continues to have the same thing happened over and over and over again, how do you resolve that? I would say, punish him harder, because you know, a lot of these these people just aren't getting the book thrown out right. I'd send him out to Harlander Hoggs slop and slop some some hogs stables for a while, work every time. Yeah, I got it. I was at a game warden conference one time and I was talking to a warden who was there to present on He was there to present on a theory he had about what he was calling like super violators where he feels that scent of poaching UM is being done by ten percent of poachers. And he had a he had this he was presenting this kind of like composite view of this composite view of UM, the most rampant poachers and they're there, you know, obviously like it's like white males, I can't remember the age bracket, kind of like what their worldview is, what their political view is. And he feels and he was talking about that there's sociopathy and sociopathy and people who are like particularly sociopathic UM it manifests in certain ways. And he was saying with the super poachers that they don't brag about it. These are guys where you catch them and then you go to their house and they have like a pole barn that has you know, eight dear acts laying in in disarray, and it's this kind of like in the way he described I'm just like, they're sticking it to the They're they're sticking it to the man, They're sticking it to society. These are things that people value. I have all them. And I'm sure there's a part of it that's especially with an instance like that where they're doing it in a repeated manner and not getting caught. That's got to play into the obsession in some way. Yeah, that he was saying that. His argument was that if you really to be really impactful on poaching, it would be working hard to identify these and he talked He talked about like these areas where you have the same way you hear like people figuring out there's a serial killer, where you have these clusters of crimes that seems similar, and then at some point someone will look and be like, why are there six unsolved murders kind of around particular train station over the course of ten years, and they're all have a thing. And so what he was working I was looking at these places where there is like this area where for twenty years there's like headless deer and ditches, you know, and then and then realizing that thing starts to make sense. The heads are all cut off the same way. Right, It's typically happening around whatever circumstances and that, and like I said, he was there, he was presenting this whole deals interesting, really interesting. Uh, I'm gonna say. My other thing has to do with the guy cutting his finger off and then keeping it in the jar a room. Could I save that now? Kind of just told it didn't. The guy rode in and his body they're messing around the airplanes landing gear and his and his finger come off. How he just got caught off by the landing gear. Um, and he keeps it in rum and now and then people come over, they'll get the drinking and they'll like to have a little shot of rum out of that jar. Do they know that they're having or? He says sometimes they're unsuspecting. Um. Did he say which anger? Uh? No, he just says a finger says there's a violent mishap with airplane landing gear. He wanted to get it reattached. They couldn't do it. He says. The moral of the story is, Um, if you lose your finger, hang onto it. They made great conversation starters. Makes a nice cocktail. Cocktail, Okay, okay, I'm talking so people. A lot of times, people right in they want hot hunting tips, the hottes hunting tips to work here, right because you guys all got a job here, and everybody's that's what everybody comments on social media. It's already a demand and the larger army eat our community. You guys got your first gear, and didn't Maggie, Maggie, you and Tracy got your first year the same night. I think so, which I think is still ironic considering we went on our first turkey hunt together and then what day? So I want to go and order who got their dear first? Sam, did you get yours first? No? I got my? No? Third? Yeah, because I got mine the tuesday after they got theirs. I think that Maggie got hers earlier in the day. She did. Yeah, that's correct, because we had already gotten the photo of Maggie's and Steve's response was, will let me send back a picture of yours? Don't want? Did not like the idea of that. Perhaps the thought could be that we were on success. I didn't even know Joe was doing this. Joe was more excited about sharing the he was just sending it to everybody. I talked with Joe about this last night and he um, he expressed it that he was wondering, what was you know, like when someone's not shooting. Yes, he kept he was like he's telling the story. Was kind of like where he was wondering, like, what's the what exactly is the problem? You want me to go into that? Yeah? I mean first retouched, we talked about the turkey, but it gives people a quick crash course and you're like, how you became interested in getting a deer? Um, well, obviously not getting a turkey. And then I was on the podcast with you guys like a recap and you're kind of gave me a little bit of yeah. Um, but no, Joe approached me and asked if I had an interests and I did have interest I mean why not? And uh so I decided to go. I don't know, there's not really a backstory too. Kind of talking about Joe Frigno Joe Ferronado, do you feel that he wanted to take you because he had filled his tag and wasn't done hunting yet maybe No. No, did his fiance get a deer? Yes, she had filled her So Joe was like he just he's like, I gotta find someone. I need a warm I need a warm body of the deer tag. No, Joe was actually out there hunting too. We're going to stay another night, he was, yeah, yeah, he was still honey, but we'd ended up not saying another night. The conditions were just horrible, horrible out there. Oh you know what, it's cured, Kevin. Did you did your Yeah? You had a first time hunter this year? Yeah, I did. Yep. My girlfriend Cilia killed her first buck with the bows. Yeah, first animal ever. Wow, that's pretty awesome. So why isn't she here? Yeah a man, Yeah, I don't even think about that. And that was shed brought her on. But yeah, she she had a great hunt too. That was fun. We did that back in eastern Oregon. She practiced for well over a year with a bow an arrow, and uh got it done on the like the final hour. Got it done on the final final hour, the eleventh hour. Nice. You you kind of hunted your ass off this year, Yeah, a little bit. I took some time, for sure. We we got actually, let's see we got three elk in our office. I think two big horns. Yeah, we got two big horns dot doll sheet what else. Yeah, we had a good year in the office for sure. But yeah, I got some time out there. We just got off a white tail tour um with a few folks, which is pretty cool. Yeah, two dudes that work at first like drew big horn tags sitting next to each other, no less in the look at that, and they're hunting like pretty sitting next to each other. That really puts into perspective for me. Yeah. Yeah, we never hear the end of it. Yeah, these guys haven't either, and they both filled them to which is pretty The hunt that Paul and Nate both went on was incredibly different. That's not like a gimme. It's in the frank Church and it was the real deal. So yeah, that's pretty exciting. And then Bridget at first like dolls. She shot a doll sheep up in the Northwest Territories and uh, we're still rolling ross Are our VP of sales and Marketing has a elk tag still to fill with a muzzloader. So we're going out Sunday. Yeah, Yeah, it's gonna be difficult. Though we had a lot of snow that was as elk are still pretty high. So you guys do any work over there? Ever, No, try not to, try not to. Yeah, weeah, we had a good year, so there's a lot of a lot of success in office for sure. Did um does your girlfriend like eating that deer? Yeah? Yeah, we caught it in with the with the Harlander hog. Yeah, we actually did um. A friend of ours made this stuff called land Yeager. You never heard of that. It's like a pressed sausage, but they sang land Hunter. Yeah. Yeah, so I guess it's like this old German um sort of processed sausage that they pressed and then smoke and eat it like jerky. That's really good. And we did that with something there. Yeah. I don't imagine you've ever heard of Yeager moister? Have I've heard a bit? I'm not a fan. That means hunt master. It does which they made it should have made it taste, you know, No, like yeagers just meant for kids to drink. But when you're drink it, you don't feel like you're drinking the kids drink. No, it's gross. I don't think growing up drink yeager. Oh definitely, I have been at the Murray and placed that in Livingston where people at like three pm, grown adults are ordering yeager shot like for kids. No, absolutely not. It's like when you want to hit it hard, feel that bird that goes down when we want to hit it hard. Like if you went to the bar and you felt like you had to catch up with everybody because they were already kind of wasted. Yeah, we'd order a long island ice teams. Hold on a minute, I'll be more fun about five seconds. Okay, Maggie said, there you were. You were shamed turkey young. Yes, and you got to invite from Joe Ferronado. He's been on he's has had a little quick cameos here. Yeah, and I was excited to go out with Joe and his fiance. It was fun to have a woman out there with me. Why why, who cares? I don't know. Just like the conversation. She made me comfortable. It was just like you guys take about different stuff than what we talk about. Yeah, totally. I think she wouldn't be like, so you got a mechanic suit? Yeah? Yeah, yeah. I think Joe kind of zoned out half the time because her and I are just and then he'd be like, I'm trying to sneak up on this deer. Yeah no, but we spotted the deer at like nine thirty in the morning, and by eleven thirty he was on the ground. So in the morning, yeah, we'll tell me. I didn't a little more. Now I feel like we should teach Maggie how to um tell a story. I'm trying to take a I mean not that I like how you're doing it, but I'm trying to think out how, like what would have that conversations you got her? I was, did you got him? I did? Wait, we're getting way, Okay, go ahead, you pursue your line of questioning. I just want it was you know, your first time doing that. I told Joe like from the very beginning, like, I think there's a lot of things you can't control going into hunt. I've learned that from the Turkey situation, but from your experience and then my personal experience, and there's little you can control. But communication was one thing that Joe was like, this is something that we can't control and have dialed and that made me feel very comfortable. We were like, I don't know, like we talked a lot about like my feelings going into it and like wanting to be an ethical with how I went about things. And I don't know, it was just very open dialogue and that made me feel very comfortable going into the situation. I think that's a really interesting and good point. And also I think you guys had good dialogue at every step, every step turning around and being like are you comfortable right now? Is this okay? Like you know? And I was like, yeah, it sounds a little different than use the word communication. Not necessarily now I'm using that word, but like, can you talk about your communication? Don't listen, let's say, let's sell was getting myself into time, But to me that was important. I don't know how that opened dialect. I don't know. Joe. Joe wasn't like you guys are camped out, Yeah, and when you went up to to find what were you doing when you when you found the deer? What was I doing? What do you mean? How did I react when I go ahead? Like when you first spotted Yeah, like what was going on? Like you guys just walking and someone look at that. We were just walking And Joe has showing me how to not like when you come up to like a little like crest in a ridge. How you don't want to like silhouette yourself. And he was like, Joe just went up a couple of notches in my book. Yeah, he was demonstrating that. And as he was demonstrating it, he was like, oh my god, there's a big buck right there. And then it was perfect and were block management National forest blm um. We did a little bit of block management, but then we got we were in the breaks. So then him yeah, okay, so go on. Um. So then he spotted him and started tracking way off, yeah, tracking him? Well, like, how how far off? How far away yards from us? Can you tracked him? Whiting just because you know where he is? Why do you have to track them, like get in a better position? I don't know. Was he following a lady? He was following the lady he was with. He was moving there crazy, but you weren't tracking them. The term is stalking him. Okay, excuse me, I'm mostly if you. If I learned that you guys spotted one and then it got away and then you tracked it down, that's interesting to me. Well, yes, so then we started a stock We ended up spooking them somehow they took off and just ran and then we ended up tracking them because Joe could see him bed down, way way, way off in the distance. That's not tracking. But then we stopped him again. Okay, what is tracking? Tracking would be that you are um. Tracking would be that you are looking for signs on the ground with prints whatever, palmarks in the snow. But when you see them, you're stocking. Yeah, yeah, you wouldn't be. You could be like attracted with my eyes, but no one would say that. Okay, well then we saw him bed down and then we so he spooked and went in bed down like a million miles away. What was your goal as far as the range you wanted to get into? Um? We practiced UM at two hundred yards, but I was like, if we could be closer, Yeah, I would like to be closer. And you practice shooting off of off your pack or practice sitting over your knee. Yeah, you did a lot of that, Yeah, but that was not how the shot went down ended up being prone. So that was but you were prepared to take a two yards shot off your knee probably, I mean we had practiced that, but this is the second time I had held a rifle so I was a little nervous about that, as like we need to be closer. I can lay down, I'd feel better about that position. Do you like Joe or jan It's better. Wait, let's put that on the board. You don't have to answer that. Just two totally different situations. So it beds way down and then you guys started creeping in on what we saw a little forky and Joe goes, do you want that little guy? And I was like no, You at that point was like this is for me. This would be a big deer. And I was like, well then I want Yeah. So so then what happened? You guys? How long to take to creep in on it? Like maybe forty minutes to creep in? And then he was bedded down and he was doing one of those like he's so tired sleeping things where he was like sleeping in and he jerk away out. Yeah. It was warm out and then it was really windy where we were, but he's kind of in this little like, yeah, I got out of the wind, bedded down. He was sleeping. He was sleeping so hard. Joe was like he's huge. Joe's like seven are almost six seven? Yeah? I would stay around there, yeah, and he would just he was just like so impatient. So he's like moving around, like standing up, sitting, and he's like, I just want to get in a better spot. And the deer did not care. It was aware of you. I don't think so, but like could see us, I mean, and if he was awake, I mean I could totally have seen. Yeah, But Joe was just like so impatient moving around, and I was like, You're gonna spook him or something. I was like nervous about that. Did Joe maybe wanted to stand up? No, he was trying to get in a better position for me to see. And we kept creeping in. We got into eighty four yards, so we got in really really close. Um, and then I moved and the deer stood up. Joe was like, you spooked him. I could do whatever I wanted to. I wouldn't say it looked like that, ye know, yeah, And then he stood up and Joe was like, this is this is it, It's gonna happen. And he stood up and I looked at each other through the scope and Joe leaned in. It was like, if you're going to shoot, shoot now the shooting time, Yes, so you were like, actually, like you dialed up your scope and then it had a little eye contact with you walk through the scope. That was like a very like reckoning moment. Do you purposely do that? And it just happened that your scope landed and you're pointing out his head and now I knew where he was when he was sleeping, you know. So like when he stood up, I was felt very prepared as opposed like turkey hunting, where it was such a surprise. I felt like it was like not like the turkey doesn't bed down and then stand up, Like this was a very different scenario. I got to get very comfortable and feel very comfortable. So yeah, it's nice when you get time. Yeah, we had like and I think we sat on him for like an hour maybe a little longer while he was sleeping. Yes, then what happened? Um, then we walked over. Did he just keel over? Yeah? He went down immediately. You got a good hit on him, yes, And Joe said the shot could have been more perfect, So nice work. Where did you hit it right through the lungs? Okay? And it didn't go anywhere? M he just went right down. He broke his nose. Hit the grounds, heart, broke his nose dead or the Dornell when you got out there? What is that? Why do people say that? Why did you just say it? Where did it come from? I don't know? Why? Is it Dorne also dead? Well, then we're just personifying door nails. That's you. I guys know what a what an automotopia is? Yes? Yes, um okay. So it went down and Joe's all excited, and I was just like, I don't know, was weird. It was a totally different than my reaction to Sneaky Pete. Granted I didn't get Sneaky Pete, but I thought it was going to be more of that, like adrenaline release and emotion, and it was actually more like a just a void of emotion. Really, you didn't you didn't feel emotional. No, I didn't cry. I just felt very like an out of body. It almost like a little bit of experience walking up. I just didn't that's right. You said that you were like watching yourself. Yeah, that's what it felt like. It was just a very weird experience. I thought it was going to be more rolls out of your body, yes, and looked down at myself. Yeah, what did you see what do you mean, dear me? Yeah? No, but walking up, I was almost like I didn't know how to like react either, but my my instinct was like, I feel weird saying this, but I like petted him like a dog. Like. I went like right down behind the years and pet him and Joe, Joe has this really awesome photo. I didn't know. He took it in my hands on my heart. I'm like petting him and I thanked him and that was a very powerful moment for me. I didn't end up crying until I processed the meat that I was at SESS. They did this whole like meat processing party, which I was so grateful for to like at this. I didn't tell anything a big party. Well, they did have a right invited. There was a lot of people there, whiskey bo big party, like a good time. From the pictures I saw it was a good time Instagram, you know I must have been having a big party from my friends at night, must have been where I was. I didn't know a big party for all my good friends. Joe and Joe and Saith told me they were going to help me process my dear and I showed up. There's pizza. There was Beard, there was like three other deer there. Rick Smith was there, Ye, Rick Smith was there. It was I don't know about this. Yeah, it was good. I wasn't invited though. No one told me about Sorry, Steve. Yeah it was good. It wasn't my house kind of so you got emotional then, yeah, like what I like, bald really like we like brought the meat out. It was all package and put it in my car. Joe drove away and I just sat there and cried, Yeah, what were you what were you feeling? Like? What was what emotions were you're processing? I was finally I think processing the emotion because that was like finally I went full circle, right. It was like the realization of like I was very grateful, like tears of someone Joe too, like he is now meat and my f and that was like the emotion of taking a life. It was the actually saw him as food, which was it's you know, I'm happy about that too. But that was the I don't know I had time up to that point. Yeah, maybe and maybe these other women can share this too, Like I was so worried going into it because of the way Sneaky Pete went down about just like getting a shot. I was like, I want to like do this right. I was like kept telling Joe, I want this to be the turkey that Maggie at hunted for four days. Yeah, and uh, I got very close but did not kid. But I was like I wanted to be clean, quick, and safe. And I was so worried about getting those three things done that I totally forgot about what happens afterwards, Like I didn't even like I knew, like I was gonna have to process and gut and all this. And I was like minute though, like that shot was done and he was on the ground. I had my moment. I was like I'm so overwhelmed, Like what do I do now? And I was like so grateful for Joe being there obviously through the shot, but more so afterwards because I was like I would have been just at complete loss of what to do. Yes, I did, I told you. I was like I want to do all of this, like help me. I want to I want to cut the butthole. I want to get in there into the vitals and have the blood rush over me. Like yeah, I was very bloody. They call me bloody muddy march um. Does your boyfriend like eating the deer meat he does. He did not like the heart. I told him. I told him I was going to cook that and surprise him and just make him like eat it like a random time. And that bothered him. No. I mean, he's gotten shotguns, but he's not gonna hunt yet, is he? Um? Is he enough of a man where he doesn't feel emasculated by his uh? Oh? I like to remind him. I'm like, I'm the provider. You see the freezer, and he's like, yeah, right, great, yeah he is. He's not all jealous to be a passive aggressive No, No, that's not in ed Bows nature. He had a great way of describing the heart. Yeah, he said it was like octopus, like the spring. The spring is just the density. He's like, it's ten. But it's just weird to eat red meat when it has that like denseness to it and it doesn't have the texture what you're used to reading the grain is not Yes, it's like there almost grainless. Yeah, And so I think that for him was just like it's weird, you know the grains like is if you look at paper through a magnifying glass, where it's just like a weave yeah, that's like yeah, it's like yeah, I mean I actually got to eat. What was cool was like I got to use the videos that I shot and edited with Danielle in my heart and I was like, wow, this is so informative. That's great. Did you did you make any realizations about your work? It was great. I was like, they, so go check it out. Tell people what videos you found most useful. Um. I did how to clean a heart one on one with you and Danielle, and then I made her heart bulgogi recipe fire meat and Edbo didn't like it. He loved the veggies and he was like, you know, I'd like the flavor. I just need to get used to that. And it was it was the first second thing I fed him from the deer. So did you guys, Um, did you guys do the liver? No? I did not do the liver. Joe and I had a lot of discussion about this about like when is like taking enough meat out like ethical dilemma, right, He's like when have you taken enough? And like debating that and it was just weird. He was a big deer, like it was a lot and we did not take the liver. It was very muddy and nasty. What did you end up doing with the hide? Because you said you kept that right? Yep, you packed out the hide you get turned into buck skin. Yeah, like a buckskin mechanics suit. I should I should I shouldn't save up a few hides. Yeah, my dad kept saying a bunch of deer hides and his like business coat was made off of his own deer hides. Really, but it was like real seven. He's had like the lower pocket in the big belt and that you wouldn't wear it ye. Jana says, it's like working with a seventies superstar of stairs to a nice What do you do with your hide? I just w wanted to throw for the back of the couch. You want a hair on, yeah, I wanted hair on against They never work out because the hair is brittle and it comes get it made in the box because out looks just doesn't. They don't take any abuse. You know, I had that bare rug on my couch. You'd use like a blanket that's twenty years old. If you had a deer hide with the hair on and you look at it, funny, the hair comes out because they got like a hair, not a fur. Hollow hair and they people do it, they do it and like nothing looks better for like, it's kind of like tattoos, right, nothing looks better in a brand new tattooing looks more is an old one. It's like it just doesn't work out. It just doesn't work out. I don't have any tattoos, Steve so so that one doesn't bring um. It just doesn't work. If you get buckskin, it's like the rest of your life. Man, you could do something with it. Whenever Jane did advise me on that you get gloves, you can get awesome gloves made from buckskin. That would be you can make some great things while calling change. Yeah, don't don't get the hair on. Okay, you can die the buckskin. So you could do black black gloves with your dear. Cool. Okay, you make probably a couple of pairs out of your dear. I'm gonna start packing mine next year, and that's gonna I'm making the business coat all the time. I'm dude. You know that, dude, you might do a collar of hair. There you go. You know Tim what Tim Wells? Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I was talking to him. He had a real nice jacket that was from his own hides. Yeah, remember that. Alright. So then seconds later Tracy got a deer. Well it wasn't or do we talk about that about that? The deer different? You know what, We're way out of order. I try to interrupt earlier, but guys sometimes difficult to around here. That's a good I had thought that I'm gonna leave it up to It's gonna be like chef's choice. Do you want to talk about a combo of the two? Combo of the two? Because I think they were both very unique in different ways. Okay, go ahead, Um okay, who do you like better? It is not about better, it's different. It's different that I would I would totally agree that it's just different. It's different. That's I don't need to make this about me. Um so wrong. Horn hunt which was very cool. That was I guess technically my first big game hunt. We hunted in Wyoming the end of September. Yeah. Um, interestingly enough, I felt like, I mean, we had had a good amount of practice, so I was starting to feel comfortable shooting, which was like hugely important. Like we practiced two pretty extensive times leading up to the hunt, which kind of gave me a good sense of confidence. Especially coming out of the Turkey hunt. I was a little bit um. I felt a little insecure about my shooting capabilities. Um, given the fact that I had taken that one shot that didn't work out so perfectly. Very different kinds of shooting though, Okay, that's fair, but without much experience, they didn't feel different in my mind right, Like, I just felt like I was still in a situation with a gun with the intention of of taking a life, and I wanted to be able to do so effectively, lethally, smoothly and without um any sort of negative outcome, like that was the intent. So it didn't feel different, even though yes, now I understand that they are different shooting um, and I feel like are The Pronghorn hunt was nice because similar it sounds like to Maggie, like we had time. We got set up in a situation where we were able to for like twenty or twenty five minutes stock to antelope. It was a buck and a dough um pretty much. Yeah, and your antelope was totally unaware of your being there, completely unaware, completely unaware. They've betted down for a little while, and so we were able to like and this is where I kind of resonated with your communication comment, because throughout this entire experience, I was like asking you like five million questions, Well, what happens if this happens? What happens if this happens? Like I felt, we had a lot of time to kind of work through a lot of scenarios. I tend to be a little type a controlling and so I like to play out all the different potential outcomes and know what I'm going to do with every single potential outcome, and that makes me feel more empowered and comfortable. An example of what you might have asked you honest about um, like okay, Like one of the challenges we had was there was a pivot. So we were hunting in a corn field and there was a pivot, and the two antelope kind of continued to come in and out of the plane of pivot. Just saw everybody listen, knows exactly what we're doing. Sure, So it's um farmland, and so it's how they irrigate. So it's like a big irrigation water pivot with huge tires, and so the antelope were kind of in front and back and forth around the pivot, and so I was very apprehensive about getting set up at a place where I felt comfortable being able to take the shot where the tire wasn't exactly behind me. And then when they went on the other side of the pivot there were there was kind of a drop off, so then obviously the horizon was behind it. That's what you mean by dropping horizon, like not taking the shot because you can't see enough directly behind it. When you're flying in an airplane and you look down and you see a square of ground with a circle in the square, and the of the circle touched the four flat sides of the square, you're looking down at the center pivot. Okay, let's telling people, oh cool around. Yeah, but I don't think that was the center pivot, was it. Those are long pivots. I don't think there's a lot of They'll sometimes make a pivot that only cuts forty five degrees. You think those are center pivots? Uh, you're saying that instead the whole pivot like movies like good She's blowing me out of the water on egg here, probably wheel line, right, Okay, I'll back out. You don't see a lot of center pivots in Montana. Possibly Wyoming since we were in Wyoming's it's more of those line what do you call them lines? Well, we always called them wheel lines, but wheel lines because the old versions look like wheels are lower, like a wagon wheel four feet tall. Edited out all the stuff that makes me look like I don't know what I'm talking about. That for me to do that, for me to make me sound good, putting me saying something from another time. And then I saw the farmer come out and cut that corn. Okay, So the pivot you use the word pivot, I use the word pivot. It was a pivot, but it's still called a pivot, I believe. Anyways, I'm not an agriculture export by any mean. Yeah, big gass tires the horizon. And so I was asking a lot of questions specifically relating to that. In addition to the fact that I was comfortable enough, we were able to set up in prone position, which was my desired position. Like I really we had been on a couple of antelope the day before, but it was a seated position. I really wasn't as comfortable shooting sitting up like I still need to work out my shooting and setting up UM was a major difference in my accuracy between being improne and being seated, so we were able to lie down and the other thing that was still kind of a struggle, which also was a struggle a little bit on my dear hunt with you, Steve is I still haven't mastered being able to like quickly and efficiently get set up on my gun with like total perfect vision in my scope. Same like it's like it takes me a good amount of time to feel comfortable in my scope where I'm like, Okay, now I have a lay of the land. Now I feel like I directly have you know, the view that I need to have, and I'm comfortable in it. I can't just like hop right on and get it. Yeah, that's the thing we point out to people ahead. No, I was gonna say that you guys all have been I don't know, Kylie, maybe not so much. I think you, Maggie and Sam and Tracy have been on very accelerated sort of hunting programs here with us. And then I've said it before you guys all got done with these successful haunts, I'm like, now you got to go back and go hunt squirrels and rabbits for a couple of years, because that's where you get that practice of doing that, not shooting one anemop one deer. How to define stuff. We're are talking like, oh, when you're going to hunt, man, I was like super important breaking your boots or whatever, get in good shape for hill climbing. But new hunters a lot of stuff gives them the slip because they can't find it in the scope. I can totally relate to that. I can relate to them. It's I think you wind up it does it? It's not true when you're when you have it resting on a backpack. But just like free handing, I think one of the things that makes it easy is I'm looking at it and I bring the scope to my eye down. I don't like lose I don't really think of myself as losing sight of it. So you're moving your scope instead of moving your eye. And like, if I'm just like looking at something, I want to look at my skullpe I want to look at it right the day we did a quick little bit of squirrel hunting, and so you're just kind of like free handing and it's like I don't I don't put it up and then look through the scupe and then go searching for the thing. It's like my eyes on it and the scope just comes to it and there it is. I think I'm conforming the scope to where I'm already know I'm looking. Okay, I'm not. Any good thing people do is a they know it's out there, then they get where they're looking through the scope, and then they start this whole search process rather than being like, I know my eye needs to be doing like this, like this is where it is. Line that thing up to it. But but you know that doesn't But that's not how you're doing it. Like when you gotta laying on your backpack, you are your your eyes going to the scope, not the scope going to your eye. We were on a bipod, which was also awesome and like super stable and really clean set up. So that was like it was a strong level of the stand that clicks to here. It was great. I kept it in my pocket like it was easy to put on. Like that actually ended up being a huge asset for that hunt, especially since when we finally got set up, we were like on this little like noll and we had like literally a clean, a clean look directly at the antelope. The other thing. I think it's interesting too. And this was different than the turkey hunt. Um, something that was always on my mind was if you were in a scenario where there's multiple animals, ensuring that you are finding the correct animal was something that was anxiety producing for me. A little less so on the prong horn because it was just two and it was very clear, you know who the buck was and which one was the dough less so I had more of that challenge when we went deer hunting together Steve, because there were there were a lot, there were more deer, and it was hard for me to like actually find the buck in that group. Yeah, that was like a should have been here yesterday, but we were there yesterday. What do you mean do you mean just deer running? Oh? Yeah, like just going insane on that hunt. And and and obviously Jimmy was super excited about it. And Steve said to me afterwards, I really wish that maybe I hadn't brought him because he shouldn't see, Honey, situations where there's this many deer and that you don't have to work as hard as you need to work. He didn't like this. On the way out, he starts like trying to hit Tracy up for a permission a youth season. That's well, that deer was down to ground about five seconds he was angling in on so h next youth season. It hysteric, moly, that apple is not falling far h so so how far away was the animal? Just I think a little shy of three? Really, wow, Tracy, seriously, I wouldn't lie about it. Yeah, but you know, we had been in the field together practicing, you know, pro position. Um. I think just like a couple of days earlier, we had been at my house and I think the going on my house is that like to twenty and we had done when we were all doing some practicing together. Um, I had shot one time at three hundred and hit the gong. So I felt like I had clearly had the ability to do it. And the fact that we had been set up for like what was it, probably thirty minutes or so. I felt comfortable. I was able to take a lot of deep breaths, I was able to relax into the you double along to him. Yeah, it wasn't bad. It was bad. I mean he didn't even make it to the other side of the time. I was like, no, no, like you'd seen, you'd almost like not just only visualized, but actually been through physically, like like the scope itself. Right, we had zero and you had hit the gong with the first hash mark at my house first try a couple of days earlier, and then using the next hash mark down, which we knew was three hundred. It's like, there's really no difference. You're just gonna use that second hash mark down dead center and you felt comfortable. No, my surprise wasn't that you shouldn't have. It's just like, having seen the spot, I didn't realize it was that far away. Oh, I say, right, not shocked that Tracy was able to do that, not at all. And also you're you're not impulsive, the opposite of impulsive when it comes to shooting. I don't mean, I'm not saying in life, I don't know, but when it comes to shooting, you're not like that kind of like just let's get the lead flying And no that's not really No, I'm not comfortable with that. And I even have experience with you that my um my pace at times can create some frustration on your like for example, when I was um when we were hunting deer together I'm set up. I didn't feel like perfectly comfortable in that situation because I was sitting up. I was trying to get in a place mood. Okay, yeah, set the mood laid out. Tracy has a like a little horse property, has some horses and then has some friendly relations with her neighbors and it's a little bit of a patchwork of landownership. And we just left her house and went on a little stroll in the neighbor's place, and it was like unbelievable. Yeah, it was like the night. Well it was the date um Saturday, novemb just like the night. But I don't think it was just the night though, Steve. I mean I had been sending you pictures like leading up to it, because that one piece of property like obviously doesn't get really any pressure, and the deer are there in high volumes all the time, but it's not there's that and it wasn't just but it was the behavior. There was a lot of them, but there's a lot of them. It was the behavior is those books were just yeah, like you think they were leaving, but then you realized they're not. They're just like going over to like check something and coming back and singing and like, here's what I don't you know about? Yeah, just like and no sort of concerted movement in any direction and just like zig zag and crossing and tongues hanging out. Yeah, it's just like we just kind of waded into it, and all of a sudden, I was like, you can't. I still don't know how many little little box like thinkers, but just bunches of them. Yeah, yeah, there were a lot of them. Couldn't keep them straight totally because the first kind of deer that we tried to get set up on, we then spooked a little bit, and then we moved in a little bit, immediately found another book. Had to move in a little bit more to kind of get some grass out of the way to be able to like actually sit and have a clear shot. And I got all three of my kids true, which added incremental pressure because from the moment they showed up, Jimmy was like, you're gonna break You're gonna break our record. Right, You're gonna brek our record of how quickly we shoot a deer. Right, I am the wrong girl. There's a record in the Ronella household. He and I last year this didn't happen. It was this year. So last year around Thanksgiving, UM, like yeah, so we're hunting white tails and we went out and we're hunting on an open access area like a black management area. And we went and there's a fence, there's like a safety zone and there's public hunting on the other side of the fence. And we basically got to the fence and sat down or like back to the fence and had hot chocolate with us and everything. It's two in the afternoon and I like rattle, like a twenty second rattle session and I know, sooner than putting him down. And he's like, here's the buck, and I'm and I keep always laugh ABox. I was kind of like thinking, like, shut up, kid, I'm trying to hunt. You know enough, here's a book running at us. You know. We hadn't even done, Like I said, we talked about the hot chocolate yet. I mean it was over and we were done hunting in three minutes. So that was in his mind that that's how you do a deer hunt, so high standards, high expectations. I was like, let's change your perspective. That's not going to happen. But not only do I have obviously the pressure of you know, Steve, because there is pressure. When I was Steve, I was held back. I was back with my daughter, my little boy. Okay, you were up with my older boy. I understand that, but I'm just saying that he was. He was impatient, absolutely, but like you're like, okay, I want to like succeed. There's high expectations, like I'm still very new and novice at this. And then you add that all three kids are like come on, get it, like that was like quadruple. But you were you were hunting with the flip flop flusher. Thank God for the flop flusher. Once again, this is um the second time the flip flop flusher has come through for me. UM. And he was real relaxed and and was not putting pressure on and was helping me get set up and get comfortable and not taking the shot. Um if I wasn't comfortable, But so I took my first shot. At one point I didn't have to crawl forward. Oh my gosh, my kids like a crawl forward because I'm talking to what's the problem. He didn't say it like that story. Yes, So it's like I'm like on my daughter's like what is she doing? Was just insane six year old like so and literally I'm like adjusting my gun and then I hear what's the problem. And I'm like in my right ear, like behind, what's the problem? Was taking so long? I literally looked back. I'm like, I'm getting comfortable and set up. That's what's taking and you're inter go back, go back to your seat. But and then my first shot, I just still have such that moment leading up to pulling the trigger is such a overwhelmingly emotional feeling leading up to It's like the anticipation. It's like, Okay, he's clear in my in my scope, this is this is the right time to take the shot. But the anticipation of my mind going, what's going to happen? Is it going to be a good enough shot? What's the feeling going to feel? Like the like angst of like not knowing is still something that like really like take takes over for me. My brother talks about that, um he thinks that that feeling, that question is what throws him when he throws an archery shot. Oh, intersting, It's like the wanting to know what will happen? Yea and the question about what will happen is is what that's what gets in his head and messes up his system. I can I there's no negative. You'll suffare right exactly exactly like I don't want a negative to happen. I don't want a negative to happen. I don't want a negative to happen. Yes, negative As a result, I think of like thinking that your entire body must like tense up a little bit, because obviously there's such a connection between mind and physical body that I feel like when you're tense like that and you take your shot, I feel like those were the moments practicing where I'd like throw to the right or something because I would feel like worked up about like what was going to happen and was I going to make a good shot, And then you'd end up throwing it a little bit. Don't you think that speaks to like the confidence that you're feeling in that moment and like should you not take that shot there? Because like I like, there's definitely those times where it's like I set up for a shot and I thought that then when I actually killed my dear, I did not have any of those feelings, Like none of that went through my brain. It seems like the best shooters are the people that go from A to B to C without getting too far ahead of the line. You know. They're like compartmentalizing. I do this, I do this, and when you throw in D in front of B. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Yes, that's a very good way of thinking about it. I try to come up with for archery. I try to come up with ah mantra is not the right word. It's like a series of steps, sort of like yeah at that point, yeah, and I still and and Mark Kenyon talks a little bit about this too, like he's got a little thingy repeats, but then you just forget to repeat it. Yeah. Well then you just in front of you and everything goes black. Yeah oh yeah, here's the part right anchor here. As it's coming, I'm like, oh yeah, I'm gonna do my little deal. Yeah, I'm gonna do that deal like nice and slow. And then all of a sudden you put your ball bag and just like don't do the D. No. But there are shooters that can do the deal, and they're the ones that kill giants. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'd like to get better at that because that that I feel like, in of itself is like a reason why I still feel like nervous and a little bit intimidated. So you touch one off and what happens? It freaking didn't go anywhere like my first shot. I was like, you know, after you take your shot, you're like, what happened? What happened? What's like? So that's like you didn't touch anything that's deadly shit, I don't know what happened. And I was like, oh no, because I was like he wasn't that far off? How far was he? I can't remember it or something. Yeah, it's not something. I didn't feel uncomfortable distance not. I think it was like that shot was very close after you had crawled up, and I was like, you can say that. I was starting to get a little dark. I was like starting to play through too much in my crazy head. You know. I thought maybe something had happened and someone's wrong with you. Were you rattled afterwards after that one shot? So I wasn't rattled, but I was like, Okay, something is a little amiss here. I need to like re center and regroup and like get my stuff together before taking this next year because I didn't move. The deer did not move like he like looked up. He was like, no, I said, they were just so I was like, okay, well now I have the same situation. Let me re calibrate everything and get organized and try again. Yeah, I've had it where you missed and then on that second shot you're like, okay, now I know what I need to do. Yeah, yeah, that's an interesting point totally like you kind of get focus. The client said this I'll never forget because he I think, had like two years in a row, killed on a second shot after within the first one, and when he would retell the story, he don't. It would like to remind everybody at the table that you know, like any hunter, good average hunter can kill on the first shot, but it really takes a great hunter compose yourself after a miss and then make a great second shot. I don't know. But then so my second shot I hit him and he went right down. The other element that I find I really struggle with two and this happened with my antelope. Punt is I have not mastered like staying in my scope after the shot to be able to keep a close look at what actually has happened. Like my antelope unt I saw, I couldn't tell if it was the bucker the dough that was still in my scope and I had to look up and it was the honest who was like, great shot, He's down. And same with the deer. I'm like, where where is he? What happened? Like? I feel like I have not like masterds staying in my scope and being able to fully evaluate kind of the on those light recoil rifles, Um, you have six five creed more On those light leak recoil rifles. Uh, they tend to kind of settle right back in. The reason I depending on your body posture, they might jump right or left, but if you're like square to them, they tend to settle back in. But so few people I don't do it. I I have followed through because I just know I could like shoot fairly accurately, but I lift my head up to see what's going on because I want to see what's going on. It's kind of human, but like like really like technical shooters stay in it right, and they like they like it. Like like real technical shooters sort of a mark of of their shooting skill and process and positioning is that that thing settles right back where it was like that you should be like the recoil wayam it drops back down and you're looking at it totally Like I would love to be able to find tune that because I feel like if I were ever in a situation which I feel like is a common situation where you're not able to get a shot that is you know, clean and lethal, or you know that that that the animal drops to be able to be in a situation where you're calm and organized and collected and exactly where the animal is be able to take a second shot, like that's something that you know, I've thought a lot about and I'm not sure I would be capable of shooting magnum rifles off the backpacks and you know, bushes and cactuses and whatnot. It just doesn't. I just lit my head up. I want to know what's going on because something as you need to know what's going on totally. But I had a great buddy that James and Nash told me when I had a flinch or when something like that, when I pop up, he said, you gotta go shoot five hundred grounds for twenty two and just get comfortable with like a small caliber rifle and then your body sort of mechanically exactly interesting to go shoot ground scrolls or something, you know, our targets with the twenty two and there's no impact your shoulder at all. Yeah, military shooters, man, it's all through the scroll. They just looked there. That's where they're looking, and ask where they stay looking. The other thing I learned to where I realized was, um, the at least for me, the importance of having done some practice in a close time period to actually going out, because I remember reflecting and thinking about the difference of like on the antelope on we had had a couple of practice days. I was like, Okay, it's it's recent. My capability within this realm is recent. And we didn't practice before we went out because it wasn't like it was that much time period. But I definitely felt like I was worried about being rusty. So like the importance of practice of like just getting that comfort level and like quieting your mind I think is hugely beneficial. So I know what happened. You shot again? Well, yeah, the second shot I hit, I hit the deer. The deer went down, and so then you came running up with the kids and said, Okay, we gotta go. We've got to you know, we've got to get over there to make sure everything is okay to look at. You know, we don't know what the current state of the deer is, which wasn't really something that I had been thinking about. So on that conversation that walk over I definitely started to become a little bit worked out, because I was pretty excited to get over there. Oh man, well I had seen some I had seen some reasonably we should probably get over there. You never told me that. Well, I told you get over there. What did you see? I'm curious what did you see that made you feel as though that perhaps the deer was not dead? Just the I mean, it's like very tell just very tell tale, the way like it hits and then what it does after down, like any sort of um, any sort of like actual concerted effort to get something, like any kind of like logical movement, like with turkeys, right, like turkeys hume they just flop, But all of a sudden you realize that the turkey is kind of like very definitely flopping away from you. Like that's not good. That's like, that's not him flopping. That's things going wrong, you know, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, So I don't know, I just saw, like I felt something. Yeah, I mean I saw, I mean yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. So we scooted. It was immediately mortally wounded correct um. And so that was a whole another kind of first time experience, UM in the sense of we got over there and the deer was not dead, um, and that that that is something that's very hard for me. That was like I had a moment where I was like, I don't want to do this, I like talk about kids immediately, sir, we're trying to make you feel better. I didn't know that. That's sweet, totally very sweet. Yeah. I don't know why they were not upset, but I remember which ones were like, oh, don't worry. Both both both Rosie and Jimmy were like that. I mean, Jimmy was way more like that. That boy is so sensitive and so reflective and so endearing and like so connected. He's just so sophisticated for his age, and he, like I think, could read my feelings and emotions and inevitably, like gut instinctually is like wanting to make me feel better and to like to help help help me understand that this is a common situation. But um, I definitely had an immediate reaction of like, no, I don't want to do it. I can't do it. I can't do it, can't do it, can't do it. I remember we had to tell you have to. We can't, we can't leave it. Do it. Yes, I was, but that was my immediate gut reaction was like I can't because you begin to like humanize the situation, You begin to humanize. I don't know how to not do this. You see this magnificent animal lying there, and you immediately start thinking about is this animal suffering? What have I done to this animal? Now you're up close to it. It's still alive. It clearly had paralyzed it to some degree, and you make it like a human interaction experience that now you have to be intimately connected with it to take its life. Something in that vein, That something within that vein was kind of the experience that I was feeling close enough distance at that point where it becomes very very real, very real, and you just you put yourself in that situation, and I don't know, you just think about all these various aspects of it and Seth had to shoot it again. Seth had me shoot it again. So instead of Steve telling me where to shoot it, because that was not um the most productive, Seth was like, just do this and I was like okay, and then um, I shot him again while he was laying laying there. It's very wrong experience that part. Yeah, did your boyfriend like eating deer? Um? He freaking loves it? Are you kidding? He's He's so envious, I think in so many ways. And he would probably tell you this if you asked him this question. So not only is the envious of the fact that I've had this magnificent opportunity to learn from like the very best within this space, but he's envious that I've like pushed myself outside my comfort zone and that I've learned a new skill set and that I've challenged myself. Like he loves those types of experiences in life, and like fundamentally he loves especially I think the hunt that we did kind of near our home, Like he loves that land so much, um, and we spend so much time there that the beauty of like being able to connect with an animal that has spent time living on that land and now us being fortunate enough to be able to harvest that animal and not only eating ourselves, but we shared a little bit of it with our neighbors and and just like they loved it, and and and my neighbor especially um uh. The wife is not like typically a big medicine fan historically, and she was raving about how delicious it was and she made some for her grandkids and just that's something that is like just magnificently special. So will um do you guys, do you still call me boyfriend? You call mer fiance? I mean whatever, it's all wanted the same or you gotta ring? Yeah, I realize that. Yeah, um um, the guy you're getting married to, does he will he initiate? Will he like come home let's say you're gone or whatever? Would he come home? Like th awesome out? Absolutely? So he's in there. Oh yeah, totally. He said to me like today he was like, I'm gonna take some meat now I think I'm going to do this with it. I want to make some chili this weekend. Oh he's super into it. Yeah, he loves He'll go dig around the freezer of what everything says? Well, and it was we haven't ground up though, No, we need to do that because I'd love to have some ground. But he was very grateful to have the experience with you guys in terms of like being a part of you know, butchering and being a part of that whole process versus me coming home and telling him about it. He enjoyed that a lot. You got to grind your ground up though, Yeah, I gotta do that too. We get a grind. It's so fast, I run do we grind it. We got a grinder that does like it's like six pounds a minute, no joke, I mean just grind and then to fill the bags, I put in a sausage stuffer and we put in those polly bags. It's just like the ice of dread. We used to have a hand crank grinder and just like, you know, I was like, yeah, I got a grind to me now. I just like it takes longer to clean and grinder than the grind. Yeah, you know, clean Like the cleanup is more arduous than the actual process. It's more like it's like a thing where you got to have some stuff you have to clean up with what it feels, it's very fast. We just do it, and then we got the Harlander hog and Beans the pig. I still got a little bit of No, I don't have any more Beans the pig. What was I don't know, Beans the pig. That's just a whole story. Wait is this the Colorado one? Yeah, I'll tell you. I had a moment. We're getting ready, were the guy that raised a pig, and um, we had some camera guys with us, and we're getting ready to kill the pig. And I said, you know, don't film killing the pig because we had to be present for the killing of a farm hog. And then I said to him, in fact, set those cameras down on the ground. Oh man, that was good that I did that. That's good. Yeah, that's good. Killing fim animals it's not a easy thing. They're resilient. It's just I guess i've ever seen one. They just don't have any chances of getting away. Yeah, well he Bean's almost got away. Till um. Good nice job Tracy Samson with Ocale, it was that was our second hunt. Actually, how did it come? How did it come about? The U and Okale? It became like hunting partners. I think I just I don't even remember Honestly, I think what happened was like I approached him and it was just like I need a better understanding of like what these guys are doing. Like I'm sending these guys out, you know, you all out on these meter hunts, and I'm helping with the preparations and everything. And I was like, I just I just want to know. I want to know. And also I kind of have this goal for myself like every year I want to learn something new we'll be can provide another example last year was mountain biking, learning something new. Is that what you mean? Yeah? So in this year was hunting also just like shooting a gun in general. You got your eyeball on next year, what is it like what I want to do for next year? Um? I think I want to learn how to go like hot waterfowl because man duck or taste. Yeah, dang right, Okay, So so he was you got okay go on, Yeah, and I wanted to learn just to understand it because of works exactly fit into your personal plan totally. Yeah. And then I also just I have this whole like life goal of just kind of like reducing my waist and ideally like providing things more for myself and like, you know, just not having to go with the grocery store as much for meat and whatever. So that's been a plan too, So it was kind of a natural progression. But then it just kind of happened. Like Cal was like okay, or like Yanni showed up. He's like, here's a gun, and I was like, okay, we're going out this weekend. And I was like what, okay, fine. I was like, I don't even know how to pack for this type of staff showed up here, Yes, what is this for? Like it was like the bullet comes out this end. Good look. But like I turned to Maggie. Maggie let me all of her first light gear because I was like, I don't have anything, Like I don't even know what to wear. I'm afraid I don't have the right layers. Like you were out there and borrow You're out there and borrow something, borrow something blue. I was happy to share. But that was my first hunt, I should say, my first hunt with Cal. I didn't even like I just I practiced just hiking with the gun, like I didn't even bother thinking I was going to shoot something. Like I went out there and I was just like, I just want to know what this is about. Um. And it was great. I mean, it's a great experience because I gotta, you know, set my sights on some bull, young bull elk. We just saw a ton of them out where we were and just practice sneaking. Yeah, this is like in a very limited draw unit. And Kyle's body was trying to find a smoker, which he eventually did not that trip, but at the end of November, so you want to get in one, yeah he did. Um. And you know, it was just that that first trip was just a learning experience and just trying to get out there. And I was just I don't know, I was I just I came back and I was like, Okay, when when can we go again? And you were doing some dry firing. Cal was saying dry firing. Yeah, I mean he had me setting up on tree limbs, He had me setting up on rocks, on backpacks, like he put me in every situation. Probably cool. Yeah, Well, I mean in the second trip even more, like I was literally looking at a buck that was downhill with me and like my face was down in my head or my head and my feet were up on the like above me. You know, like he had me everywhere. Um, but yeah, I just I loved it so much and so I was like, when can we go again? And we, um, you know, made it work right before Thanksgiving because I was the only other time that we could do. It almost came with me. I almost came with you guys, and I was like, I don't really think I want to hunt four days in a row, but yeah, quite yet, two days is enough. Cale talked about on Cal's Weekend review. Cal touched on Hunting with You, and Cal had a comment where, um, you saw all the importance of mentoring people, and he mentioned that he doesn't like when people say like, oh, I got him his first year. Yeah, he doesn't like that I got her her first year because I think I said that, Yeah he tried. He goes, you should probably be trying to create a scenario where someone feels like they got it, Which is true though, because you need to take full responsibility for that thing that you just shot, So you should always like, I think that's the right the right approach, Like I want to take full responsibility for it totally. Um. Anyway, so we went on that second um hunt in mid November, and we went over to like, I don't know honestly where we were, but we're on some BLM and state Land. It's like, but a blind bold on me and take me a middle nowhere in Canada. You're somewhere in Montana. Even if you know exactly, I like that appro yeah right, yeah, I really don't know. That's what I just kept telling people. Wanted to tell you, I couldn't, but I mean it was it was a great area. I mean that. So we like woke up whatever five in the morning. I guess what we're supposed to do. I want to go hunting. It was dark. Guy, I never actually ever saw the view from the truck because we were either waking up super early or getting back super late. So gorgeous there, but I don't know what the view from the chuck looked like. Like, so that's what this place looks like. I was like, man, I bet that's pretty up there from the truck. You mean at camp? Yeah, I camp, yeah every day, which was only two days, um and yeah, so he just got up. I mean it was pretty windy, but then once we got down in the valley it was fine. At one point Cal was like, hand me your gun and I was like okay, and he's and it's like dark, you know, and he's like, figure out how to get up this this cliff and I was like, what are you talking about? Like I can't even see what we're looking at, and so I'm like feeling around blindly and I finally find some sort of like stick thing and I get myself up there and it's like, okay, now you can get up here with both the guns. Like um, but yeah, we're just you know, hiking up and down everywhere. I don't know. And that first day, um, we saw I mean we saw a ton of deer first of all, like so many deer, a lot of bucks, a lot of four keys, and we're kind of watching this one specific bull but he was on private. I don't know why we just watched him for a while. I'm sorry buck, Yeah, um, I don't know why we watched him for so long. He was well yeah, so Cal like left me to watch these two bucks. He went to go poop and then and he was like, oh my god, we gotta go find this guy. And I was like okay, and so like we go and watch this guy. He's like telling me to like this buck, sorry, this ale Neil dear and so we're looking at him, and the worst part that was Cal's calls like, Okay, now you gotta go down there and you gotta find a better position to go watch him. So like I go and do this, and then he follows me, like, you know, ten minutes later, he's like, you did that all wrong. I'm like, yeah, I know, like I am horrible at sneaking. I don't understand it. It's not my blood. I just like I'm just kind of like this is really like I feel like this is like role playing right now and just like not good at it. Um But you know, eventually, I mean we end up calling that guy dick head because he just did not get off private land. He was like obsessed with this one lady who was just doing whatever she felt like doing. I don't know, she had her own, you know, game plan, and so she was not putting out she did not and um so Cal kind of like wandered off for a while, and problem I think he was fine. I don't know, very regular out there. Did you guys have taco bell like we did the night before we went out and was driving and pulling over and throwing up did yeah, yeah, the guy would be last. I honestly don't even remember what we ate. But he was fine. He's just going off doing little errands looking around. He was very healthy, very regular. Anyways. Yeah, and then he came back and was like, oh, let's go this way. I don't know why I'm whispering, Let's go this way. There's a bunch of like you're back in the moment. Yeah, deer out in this one. I don't know, some other area behind us. And so we like left our bags and every like we literally left everything. Never leave your bag. Never dropped the pack, no apocalypse now, never leave the boat. You've been just you can lame this on cal Okay, never. I'm just telling you, I don't care what he does. Never leave your bag. Okay, moving on the rationale for that one thing. The moment I left my bag and I didn't have everything that, yeah, they're like, oh, in fact, moved again. Yeah, totally. And then you don't get a good hit on it. And then a lady you're like, oh, here comes a little rain squad. I wish I had my rain jack. Or it's like two in the morning and you finally find it. That's totally accurate, and it was like I think it was some bipod with me. So it was just like once, but it was kind of like I said, it was kind of fun though, because we went to this one in area. There's like tons of juniper around and we were like in the trees and we were sneaking up on um just like I said, tons of deer, tons of does and a few four keys and so we're looking at them through the trees and he's like, okay, like I want you to look at that for ky and you know, see if you can get a good position. And so we practice a lot of different positions like prone on a tree, limb again on some juniper, which is all amazing. And I just never felt comfortable in any of the positions at all. And Um he was just like, yeah, that's good, just like you like are just like kind of learning and knowing that this isn't the right time or moment whatever. He didn't say what's the problem name, No, he didn't. He was very patient. Was there ever any impatience? Um, maybe on my end, but not really on his. I know for a fact that Joe Frigno, Joe Ferronado had feelings of impatience, lots of them. That was a squirrelingwithstanding and didn't communicate. He communicated them to me, but he also last night he communicated them to me too, immediately after, but he didn't say, what's the problem. He didn't I think, I say, what exactly is the problem? We know the problem? What exactly? So he had you like, so, let me get this straight. You see a forky and you guys are trophy hunting, so you're just practiced, you're driving trophy hunting. We're just hunting at this point because I don't know so, but why were you not the forky you were looking at? You? Were you had intent to kill the forky? Yeah? Okay, I'm sorry. Yeah, Yeah, it's just I just didn't feel comfortable and like he was moving a lot. He was following another lady and they were going everywhere, and I just I just so the intent was to get him, yes, but you couldn't get it you could get it done. Didn't feel as our bear hunter friend said, you could not get it done, could not get it done. And that was kind of the end of that day. So then come the night, were you disappointed? Were you like, oh, bummer, you know, The only reason why I felt a little disappointed is because I wanted Hole to go hunting the next day and the next because the first day he brought his gun, I think he had was like on a trip right before that. Oh yeah, another like BLM trip that he took, and he misfired a couple of times. So he was like wanting to figure out what was going on? What do you mean he misfired? He missed? He oh sorry, yeah, sorry, not mispired? Um or is that what it is? Like he shot at whatever deer and he missed like twice at the same cow. He's the oh not this trip? No, Yeah, So I wanted I was disappointed because I was like, I wanted him to get that figured out. And I mean, clearly that's not his worry about is like mine. I'm like, man, I don't want you to wait for me anyways. Um So yeah, next day, same old thing basically, and just kind of got up to a point and um as the sun rose were glassing and saw a bunch of deer again. Funding all this are you checking something off? You'll checklist? Hate it all? Know? I had an amazing time, like like the minute by minute of it. Yes, Oh, my gosh, and I really like, I love watching the animals, learning about the behavior I didn't understand before going out there, Like when you're hunting bucks, you're hunting does and you're watching for their reactions and like what they're looking for, and I just I learned so much about that and that was my favorite part, was like not looking for the buck, it was looking for the does. Yeah. I think one of the funniest things is when you're hunting and there's good running activity and you see dose staring in an almost sort of like agitated way, and you're like, God, do I want to know what they're staring at? Totally that's how I felt. And it seemed like tents up and they're looking. You're like what what? That was the coolest thing. He was like, cal, we're looking at some I don't know, some does out in this little opening amongst the trees. And he was like, they're looking into those trees and I was like what, And he brings out what are those rack things called dry pod? No, no, my kids. I offered to go find it for you, um, but he brought that out and then, like I don't know, minutes later, a buck comes out of the trees, and I's like, that is the coolest thing. Have a rattle like the little rattle pack green thing. Yeah, rack, dude, you can't. I tried. My kid lost mine. I couldn't find the sons of bitches anywhere anywhere on Amazon. There are other places besides. I just ran out of steam. But he's killing me. Man, when snow melts, you're going to find my stuff. I offered to go find it before and you said no. The rattle bag. I think it's is it, dude? Things loud inhale. I need to find that. I don't know what's killing men. I bought some other stupid rack. It's like, anyways, go on. Okay, so he's trying to he's going to rattle the buck. You're trying to get to take a look. There wasn't effective. Yeah, I was effective. He came out and where what's that website? Sent to me? This Google? Yeah? I was that founded on the Google. Um. Yeah, and I don't know. I'll say, is about this day because it could go on forever? Is that I probably had about two or three shots before I got my buck that I should have taken the shot. I think at least definitely too, but and one of them I impatience from kel no impatience. So he's just like whatever, what does that it get away? What happened was like one of them, Um, I don't know. It was really cool. I gotta kind of set up on this dough that was standing stick on this mountain side, and that was great. She was staying there for like ten minutes and I was laying there prone and I was like, okay, I could have shot the dickens out of her. Yeah, I totally could have. Um. I was like, how, like tell me where I need to set my gun, like my sights, and like once he we did that, I was like, okay, I feel comfortable now. I feel like I can I can do this like whole shooting thing. Um. And then the buck came out and he was moving and I didn't feel comfortable. But then right behind us was another buck that came out, so it's like we whipped around, turned around. I got ready to shoot that one, and I, um, you know how it's like safety and then there was that middle thing and then it's fire safety. So I thought I had put it all the way up to fire and I only got it up to that middle port because I went to go shoot and nothing happened. I couldn't and I was like, there's piece of sh what the and um, yeah, that one I definitely could have gotten. And that would have been a great one because it was about ten am. Shut up at ten am, and it would have been nice if I had gotten that one, because then I could have probably done the whole like cutting it up and learned all of that. But that didn't happen, so we kind of had to keep hunting for the rest of the day. And it wasn't until the very last hour of light. And let me tell you a lot of other things are going on a lot of other bucks, a lot of other shooting situations that we tried for. I don't know we did. We had so much up until this buck last hour of light. And um, it was because we were following this one buck that was like super nice. But um, I think Cal say no, like he was just handsome. Um, like I think he was, as Cal called a monster buck or whatever, and um, we were following him. Um, and that took us over onto state Land and I honestly like, don't I had to have Cal tell me this whole story again after it all happened like after you were black yeah, blackout Basically. I was like, once we got in the car and like started driving away, I was like, so what happened? Um? It was like a night of drinking. Yeah, like last night. So he saw a dough which I never saw. That was also a major theme of the trip is he saw a lot of things that I never saw and solid dough. So he was like, we need to sneak up on this dough. And he's like there's antlers like over this ridge and like that guy doesn't see us. And I was like okay, um, and so we're like sneaking, sneaking, and we spooked the dough, but we kind of keep sneaking because the Um, I guess what happened was the buck drove the dough right in front of us. And it happened so fast. It was just like Cal set his pack down, I put my gun on the pack, and I um like waited there and Cal goes, do you see them? And appair only I got snippy and I was like, no, I don't see them. They're only like forty yards in front of us, guys, so they're not far though you're looking farther than and then they can be literally in front of the literally in front of us. You know, you know, you know the games people play. I never read it. I believe, so there's a thing. There's a game people play. I think it's explaining this where um, it's just about what it's kind of like how horrible people are and the games played. But there's a thing that happens where like I come to Tracy and I'm like, Tracy, I'm having, you know, really a difficult time hitting my sales quota at work right And she goes, well, maybe you could try working late a few days, or maybe you could try, you know, a different approach, And then I attack her. That's one of the games You'll never like, what do you know? You'll never understand. It's more of the things we do as humans. So you were doing I did that to come exactly. I'm not ashamed of it. I was telling him. I was like, when I get comfortable with people, I either like get snippy or I don't talk to you. Because there are times where he'd be like, so, how are you feeling. I haven't heard from you for a while, And I was just like, I like talk a lot less like when I'm hanging out with people, like I love silence, especially when you're outside. But um, yeah, so it's just it all happened really fast in the dough. I finally saw the dough and she was staring straight at me like, hey, hey, you know this guy is coming after me. I'd love for you to get rid of him. And um, so I just kind of um set up behind her and the buck like walked right into my sights, yeah, and looked straight at me, and um took the shot. I was like on my knees and yeah, the the gun was on the backpack, so it's upright. You were on your knees. Yeah, I was kneeling like, yeah, the back picks ending up the kind through the lungs, but I always went through the front shoulder too, because there's a lot of trauma to that. So it piled right up. Yeah. Yeah. And emotions, Yeah, you get like emotional, Yes, so Pelonso got emotional. Oh no, I'm sure, how can you not, right, Rookie of the Year. I was in denial though, like you wanted, you were denying that it was dead. No, I was in denial that it was my dear and you know, what I told Mark Kenyon this you thought someone else got it? Yeah, I was like, oh no, this is this is someone else's dear. This isn't my dear, but you're only forty yards away from it. I don't understand why I felt this space to even I'm not trying to make sense of it. But no, Mark Kenyon said, he said he felt the same exact thing. He was like, no, it's not my dear. So you guys kind of went like a little bit insane for a minute. No, it's cold like the stages of grieving denial. I think is the first stage. You had a that there must be another explanation for this deer laying right by where I just shot at a deer. Yes, I'm okay, so let me tell you. He someone I've never had someone expresses to me. So I shot him. I was looking at my scope the whole time, and I don't know why I did this, but I like immediately put another bullet in the chamber, and that's next year's that's next year's lesson. Okay. Yeah, I literally was just like I shot him, and I just stayed in my scope, did another chamber whatever. I was like, Yeah, I'm like a natural, like I got to get ready to shoot, Chamber did another I know what I'm talking about here, and then I felt the ice running through my name chamber, and then Cal was the one was like, we need to go find this deer. And he was like, take the bullet out of the chamber. I don't want to um and hand me the rifle. I wonder if I did, but yeah, so I was like, come on, we gotta go find it. And I was like okay, okay, and then we, you know, run up a little bit to where it was and I'm of course just like standing there like what happened? I don't know. And then he's like, oh, look that way, and then there was like the dear, my dear, just probably like twenty yards in front of us or something and just laying there dead. And I was just in shock. I was like, that was there probably the whole time, right, Yeah. I was like he just like laid like walked over there and just laid down and ended up expiring but ended up being my dear. I didn't even So that was the other thing I had seen Maggie's photo as I was driving out to this area with Cal and your dear had blood like you saw blood and my dear had no blood. So that was another reason why I was like, this is not my dear. There's no blood, like he just died peacefully, and UM, yeah, I got you cal basically how to be like, this is your sucking dear, uh, and I'm going to leave you alone for a few minutes so you can be with it. Mainly because I lost his first light first light prototype jacket and find oh man as finds up putting Kevin in a really awkward position. Looks like I'm doing some hiking. Um. And so the moment that Kyle left, I I just started crying and I just started talking to this dear and I was just like trying to tell him is like, so you know, like we put in a lot of effort. You know my opinion, we put in a lot of effort, Like you know, I just I want to tell you how much I'm grateful for you and all this stuff. I don't know. I was just very emotional at that moment. Do you feel that if you were um murdered by another person, uh, and you're you're dying and the person says, you know, I want you to know, Um, I feel horrible, but but very grateful for you. Do you know what would you would you feel better about it? Or would you would that piss like? Would that piss you off? More? Um? Well, would it matter? Because then I'd be dead like two seconds like that you had awareness of it, like, doesn't care? What does it change anything? No, it's not for the deer. Probably it's probably more for me at that point. I don't know how I would respond if also now is walked to woods and and then work so hard. It works so hard to find you, Steve. I've got great plans for your forearms and your calves and gonna make ashabuco Or would I be like, dude, it doesn't matter. Yeah, I know it probably would be like I don't care anymore. I'm dying. Um. But yeah, it was like I said, as in that last hour of light, so um, we had to get going. Yeah, what he mentioned it? But why is that? Was it impending weather? Like? What was the problem? The temperature was dropping, it started sleeping on us, and we were definitely a lot further from the car than I think he had wanted to be. Of course, none of these things, I know. I'm just like going on along for this ride, so I'm like, yeah, this is great. So it's kind of a hard like a hard out like maybe, I mean he made it very easy. We stayed for the most part on the flat areas, so we weren't doing a ton of climbing, so he had to help you cut it up. Oh no, he did, like all the cutting up. That was the thing. I didn't get to learn anything about that because dark and dark and rainy and cold. Ums when we got that really nasty snowstorm, right, you guys were like, coming back is Tuesday night? I don't know in the world. Yeah, I was out of service. Have you been on to eating your deer yet? Yeah? So I've had um a bunch of the back leg and then I had the tongue. Did you Um, did you bring any of it to the holiday party? No? I brought potatoes. Potatoes. Those were good. So you had the tongue in some of the back leg? Yep? When you like when you leave for work in the morning, do you pull some out to thought? Yeah? Exactly. Um, I'll just I just try and plan ahead a little bit. Have you shared it with your friends? Uh? No, not yet. I really haven't been around so it's like I got that deer. I left town like two days later and then was gone for all the week of Thanksgiving, came back, went to Michigan. So this is my first week in Montana, and so I just I haven't had time to really share anything. You didn't bring. You didn't bring you to Thanksgiving dinner. I mean to bring home some for Christmas. Yeah, the backstrap good deal? Um, and you think you might give something to some friends possibly, Yeah, Well I'm bring something else to give it to your friends. Well, I'm gonna make jerky. That's my plan this weekend is to make some jerky. I got brothers the hydrator, and um, can I steal that meat slicer in the kitchen for a weekend? You think it's not necessary, but sure? Can I slice it super thin? I guess with my own knife? Yeah, what you want to do is put a partial freeze on it. Yeah, okay, let's set up and slice away. You don't need to do that, but you can get some nice slices like that. It makes it easier. It's a lot easier to handle with the grain or against the grain. I don't know what should I do. Pants Man traditional jerky's with the grain really chewy? H What do you like with okay? Where you like Johnnie across the grain because it's it's easier to choose. Yeah, I should say like, I like it all, man, I like it's very different experience. Like you you're gonna have a less of a cud. You have less of a cud when you go across. You can work up pretty good cud when you go with if there especially, you leave a lot of Sydney. But somebody likes, oh you don't want you don't want cuts. Yeah, you're jerky in a while, lady. You got like a peace size hung white yeah and stretched out and it's like a big ball piece of thread. Yeah that's the cud. Yeah, so I'll go across the yeah, yeah, yeah. We've had this conversation before. A lot of jerky now and gas stations is um. You know, there's whole muscle jerky, but there's a lot of jerky that's that's ground. You know. You remember your brother recently started doing that. I thought that stuff was good. Nothing wrong with it, man, nothing wrong with it. No cud. It's easy to chew. But like you know, I don't know, man, like for me, if I had like one jerky, the rest of my life's gonna be jerky. That's hole muscle with the grain, and it's like a chaw to it. Yeah, you grabbing You like dry, pretty moist? Yeah, I like a good tacky jerky. Yeah, he doesn't me and I do not see eye on jerky. No, I like that. I like the attacky jerky too. I used to do like a I call them like jerky tidbits, and they're more just like chunks, you know, like bacon ends, but jerky. Yeah, but maybe a little bit bigger, you know. But you have to be real careful because if you over dried them, you know, you just did it just wasn't edible at all. But then sometimes I'd have them in my pack for like a week and you pull them out and you realize that you didn't actually dry all everything out that needed to come out, you know, so you have like a little just a little pungent smell in there. The clients would be like, are you sure this is okay to eat? Well? One thing about when you do with grain, with grain cut and you're drying it, don't dry it so much that it snaps what you want to do is dry it till when you bend it you'll see little white filaments. Okay, you bend it, there's white filaments and no snap. That's what you're after when you do cross green. I don't know what what's your indicator when you cross green, it's similar you kind of banded. It shouldn't go like if it snaps like a chip, that's not good. Yeah. And the only thing I find a lot of people screw up is um, there's jerky and then there's cooked meat. And I've had a lot of guys give me jerky. That's not jerky. It's like roasted. It's just different. You know what I'm saying. It's just different. Man. I've eaten many pounds of it, and I've made many pounds of it, which is like it's just like yeah, you kind of cooked little thin. Yeah, but just like you know what I'm saying, it's just not jerky's. These are all very useful tips things. Guys. You get that when you do in your oven and when you're doing your smoke or you know what I mean, Like, am I describing it right? Yeah? Yeah, I mean there's a big difference. And you know it dried meat and cook meat. Um, so is Katie going to go out with cal She doesn't want to hold me. I really understand. It's insulting to me. We're talking about my wife. It's insulting to me, and I don't really understand it. I don't think it's a good idea for two people who are in that close of a relationship where you are the expert and the other person is the novice beginner and it's like a personal relationship. I think that's a terrible idea. I don't think it has anything to do with you, Steve. I think it has to do with the fact that that dynamic would be challenging. Couldn't disagree more. It's tough because you think that people in relationship that should be able to overcome whatever we've had. We've had three kids, Sure, you married eleven years. What's going to ruin at all? It's not about at all. It's about having a different of patience. I mean, even when I was learning to fly fish and Jeremiah would teach me there's a block. You don't want to be open minded to your significant other. Who So that's that's what I'm talking about. Yeah, Like we're like we're married, but in a lot of ways we're like enemies. Is married enemies? Where should we put um? Like I recently got that fifty pound block of lard, my fifty pound box a blard. Okay, I didn't know about that, like very m real enemy. We're real enemies about where I keep that? Where would she like you to keep it? Not where I keep it anywhere else on the counter. She just can't picture it being gone, so she suggested I moved it to the place I don't want to have it. Yeah, viewer like like she's my like like in regards of my block lard, I have like a very enemy feeling toward her, like my my adversary about my large because when she approached me about it, she didn't approach me as a friend. It wasn't like, hey, buddy, I've been thinking about the box of large. Wasn't like that I knowed by that box a large and give it a smack. You know that pack that plastic stuff you used to like tight wrap stuff like to ship stuff. Yeah, the box was compromised, and I know I took that shipping wrap and wrapped that. It's like tight in a drum man. But it's like, yeah, Kylie had a morbid fascination with that box when it showed up. Yeah, fascination. Ye didn't she didn't like it, but she couldn't keep away from it. And throughout the course of the day and not ten minutes went by that Kylie didn't come back over to my desk to look into the come back over to my desk to look into it and express like a level of dismay about it. Did she go back to her She got back her desk, and it comments later I look at she's back looking into the box, and then she couldn't understand it. That's a lot, She's like, that weighs half what I went, let is so much? Lord, I was like after, I was like, Kylie, we all know what. You just want to have a scoop. Just have a scoop. Just throw the spoon in there. No, okay, Kylie's deer hunt when when hunting with my husband, But you've been a number of times you've been around it. Yeah, so I'm my husband hunts like I mean, all my my friend's hunt um. But then I've gone shooting um for many years but then just never actually hunted. How long ahead you done the hunter safety two years ago, and why did you do that? Before I turned thirty? My goal was to shoot an animal. Um, to go hunting for the first time ever. I'm from Montana, I should be doing this. Um. I went through hunter Safety, was very out of my comfort zone and very much at unter safety. Yeah. What didn't you like about it? I think just not knowing, like I think as a woman, like and sounds stupid, but like kind of going in there, Hi, I don't know exactly what I'm doing, per se, And then um, you know, not knowing anyone, it feels like like swinging dick contest or just kind of like you just don't really know what you're supposed to do and you kind of feel dumb. But but I went through it, and then I didn't really tell anyone. Do you feel like you're made to feel dumb? Or was this self imposed? Self imposed? For sure? Um? No? And then I, um, just over time, I haven't been able to go. And then this year I had the opportunity to go. My husband and I went, Um, is he pretty patient? Super patient? Had he already gotten a dear? No? He mean this was like for me, Like, I mean, he was like I'm going to go for you. I'm going to be a partner. I mean he got everything set up. He wasn't even like trying to get one too. No, this was a mean thing for sure, and like he I mean it was very much a UM yeah, I think I was like when we talk about couples, I think it's there is I think sometimes in a couple that you do want to fight, like what are you doing wrong? You know? But I think that you you also you love that person, so you also understand like okay, why you know he did at one point. So I will tell you. I choked twice. I couldn't get at two bucks, two different bucks, and I couldn't shoot just kind of first time you went, yeah, the first time I went got it like I mean, huge buck, just staring at it. Couldn't do it. I have no not a clue why, like just I mean it was just right there, um happen again and I was I was super mad at myself. Um that I think the emotional part. I think when they talk about the emotions afterwards, I think my emotion was then I was frustrated with myself. Um, I think you just don't want to hurt the animal. I mean that was I think everything that you think about what Tracy was saying, and all the girls like you don't don't want it to go run off and if they heard or anything so running all the all the negative scenarios, and I think when we were kind of talking about like that right when you have an insight in that trigger, it's just like that's such a a different feeling that I've never felt before. I can't put the bullet back into gun. So that one that was really frustrating. So at one point my husband did say he was like kind of like what's wrong or like he's like for you, like, are you not set up right? You know what in your head is compassionate? Yeah, like what what can we do? The way of doing it? Yeah, flip it. I mean, I'm sure he was frustrated to pursue the same thing, but act like you're more concerned about them. Yeah, take note. I don't know if acting um yeah. And then do you guys have a little bit you know what I'm talking about a little bit like the enemy nous about stuff now? And then oh we fight, we used to fight all so um no, And then it was I was coming up on like it was that he got some trick up your sleeve. Then all of a sudden, you quit fighting eleven years. I don't know, just kind of, Oh, he just got it out of the way. Nothing to fight about it. You has fought it all out. Now you're just like every news resolved, the lard goes over there. There's something to be said for that. What's that? My father in law recently, it wasn't recent, maybe a year ago now, but I remember him telling my daughter. She was asking she had somehow noticed something about his lack of anger with people whatever, and he was just telling her about how in his age, he's sort of just like giving up on fighting the Randy Randy Newbert piece not justice, yeah, but not necessarily with his wife, just like with anybody in life. He's just like, I just don't have time to do that, and he's just taking like, oh is that right? Yeah, you don't say um piece not justice thing though. That's that's I don't know if he wrote that. I made that up, but he introduced me to that idea. Like obviously sometimes strangled my wife, you know, and I'll just be like just snuggle up instead. How who cares? Then? I was gonna strangle you about. So he's a good dude. Good dude. And then on Saturday night, right before like season end, and Sunday, Saturday night at five o'clock at night, it's going it's dark, like Sam had um, it's negative degrees and what do you know, it's the last day of the season. Yeah. Oh yeah, So I talked about across there's a creek and we saw like I looked over and in the fog there was a couple of different deer and I saw dough and I saw a buck as just a small little buck um. And I didn't like usually I was like really hesitant beforehand, and this was just such a very perfect, like normal feeling. Um. And then I shot and I saw some like go like move, so I didn't think I shot it um. And then my husband actually I got lost there, so I like I saw them across the creek in the fog, and I shot, and then okay, I need more details. He is your husband watching too, Yeah, but there was he didn't have any feedback for you know, there was oh yeah, there was a couple of deer, like we didn't know behind that it was all foggy. So I just saw the one buck and I shot. But then when we when I shot, it was like all the other deer. Oh yeah, I know what you're saying. So then it's hard to tell what exactly I'm with you. So then he ran over across the creek, and then I didn't think I hit it, and then um, he ran over to investigate. And then I got it so right in the lungs, which was perfect of exactly what I wanted it. And then he carried it, carried it over because he drained it back across the creek, and I wanted to same exactly a and like I wanted to be able to gut it um and go through that. I watched it, but because it was dark, I mean he had the you know light on, I mean it was I didn't feel comfortable. Temperature. Not great learning, but next time I would like to learn next time for sure, any emotions just before just I think just when shooting and not not being able to for sure, I think, yeah, I think that first time that you went out, you had very frustrated, Like she texted me and she was just like, I can't believe I didn't shoot it, and I won't take that for the next time because you will. Yeah, like you had like later you you thought to yourself like that was a great opportunity. I blew it and yeah, I mean it was literally like I was looking straight at him right in the scope. He was huge. I mean, it was just that he was just staring at me, and I couldn't for the life when we do it no idea. Why so, Um, did you guys bring into a processor? Yep, so you gotta get it out and then so we're just waiting for it to process and you go pick it up. Do you guys eat a lot of dear meat? Because he also, yeah, I used to do a lot a lot of elk meat. Okay, yeah, so game meat. So your husband likes to hunt elk any, I mean yeah, he's did it. Um, he grew up with it for doing all dear anything from here, so he's probably got a long tradition of it. And then, um, you you can eat it right away or like he'll take a year to eat it. I would like to try to eat it right away for sure. You know, only good wild game cookbooks. No, I mean I think we work at this place. I don't know. I'm called meat eat or but I know that to call that Hank shot cook. Look last night, Oh you did any good recipes in there? I didn't open it. I don't think I was in the stage of reading last night. You know what boats someone left my house last night that my kid wants so bad but and he I told him he could steal it, but my wife wants to track on its rightful owner. Is a book called Crap Taxidermy. It's a book, a horrible tax Yeah. Um, he took it, wanted to take the school, and I said We'll go ahead because if someone left it here they might not want it. And Kat is like they might have just left it. And then we got to like have a parenting moment where I'm like, yeah, you m right. It's a great title, Crap Taxidermy. He really likes the title. I think he wants to brand at the school because he likes the title. Someone great. So, uh, everybody gonna hunt again or no? Definitely? What do you think you go? Is Jeremiah going to take your boyfriend gonna take Hunter Safe? Yeah, we need to get it to take Hunter safety. Think you'll hunt together. I think we would totally hunt together. Your boyfriend, Ye, he'll do hunter safety. Yep, we've talked about it. You think you hunt again? Yeah, hunt together? Yeah, I do think we would hunt together. I do. I think we figured out how to like be productive in those types of situations together. Yeah. You guys are gathering up rocks to make a chimney. Oh man, that's no small job. Oh, it's no small job, man. And every weekend, okay, it's rock picking time. It's like five loads later. We're fortunate enough of our neighbors are letting us take as much rock as we need off their land. It's like five loads later. I'm like, are we done for today? And you guys are palletizing the right Yeah, you pick up one by one. You got to clean them. You got to make sure that the right size, the right shape, they have the right amount of liking on them. It's just very diligent job. And then you put them on pallets by size so that our mason can work with them. And do you know about this rock picking, it's pretty impressive when you look at like the collection of palletized staffed rock. This moust be one hell of a chimney. Oh it sure, dam is. Hopefully it'll be the center of the house. It's like literally blood, sweat and tears, and there they were, just coming back from a rock picking. Yeah, like Kevis, that's a great way to make a neighbor. Oh man, you're just doing it just to be helpful. But they've already gathered I mean they've lived there for forever, so that all their rock is in different piles across their entire lands. We go from power from the field. No, no, no, it's already said that they've gathered rocks. Yeah, it's kind of high grading. It's helpful for me. I'm just kidding. Oh yeah, I mean I was thinking that those landowners. Listen, they have past your land, the picking raw rock. They would love you for sure, but they've already done all that work in the decades. Yeah, that's still a good story. I can't you can invite us all over to see the chimney. Well, yeah, finally have a place where people can sit. We live in seven square feet right now, I can't really have anybody over. She's got a horse property full of buildings and they live in a little apartment. Was horrified, just like everybody, look as a building. There are a lot of little units. Yeah, look at a building, but then you guys live in a frame thing above the barnes is funny. Yeah, one of those buildings isn't like a living structure. Someone on a building screen in and realized they hadn't built a place to sleep, and he was like, and you bought that place? Yeah, he's like I was forgetting some four barnes and no place to sleep. And Steve was like one days like where do you where do you keep all your clothes in one of the barns? Uh? So what Kevin? Real quick? What's um? What? What? What can we look ahead to? What was the next thing to come out cool at first lighting was Cow's prototype jacket? You got one too, Johnny? I think, can I tell people about um, I've been wearing a coat. Yeah, and there's a there's a thing about it that you would notice from the ways off. Yeah, we've been. We've been sharing that on social a little bit, I think a little bit. But I think to tell me what I'm talk well, I don't know if I can yet. The thing that starts with G Yeah, we haven't. We haven't technically released any of that stuff yet. You know, I think I have no doubt. Yeah, so you know you're not saying people, Oh there's a there's just you know, some teasers on social across the across the internets, little easter eggs. Yeah, exactly. We'll be releasing all that stuff the first part of January, so we're close. Folks gotta wait, like you know, couple when they hear this, uh, it'll be out. So just tell them, Oh, really, when's this coming out? January? Sometime people be all drunk. Yeah, the next day, wh everybody gets drunk. That's right. We're heading in the show season now, so we're gonna be all over the place wrapping the wares. Good. Oh, you know, we got a thing coming up. What's that? There's a sports show that's right in Portland, Portland, Oregon. Yeah, we'll be there. Yeah. Well we're going and doing a big, old gigantic book signing. Um me cal Sam, Sam, Danielle Nice. Yeah, we're gonna go to your booth. Are you gonna be there, I'll be there. Oh yeah, I'm going to everything. Man, I'll be traveling the country. You gotta pay for all that hunting. I know. It's uh. I looked at the schedule last week and it's a little daunting, but shows a lot of shaking hands. I'm into it though, would be fun. Get some hand sanitized, a lot of airports, airports, um, so people can find out what's happening there. Then yeah, yeah, we're gonna start releasing all this stuff for and um, a lot of good things in the works for sure. You guys had a great year, man, awesome year. Yeah, it's great year. First light dot com, first light dot com. Come check us out, big year, giant year. That's good man, it's exciting. Appreciate that enormous here. Yeah, trying to think up some more. It's you customer service because if you if you're kind of confused at first light dot com, there's a lot to take in. There are lots of layers. You can call and talk to an actual actual hum oh yeah, these human hunter hunter human and get some uh you know, yeah, they're like they're like the awesomest dudes are like, I've been fortunate enough to get there. They are some badass dudes and they get after to you know, like if you if you're at the office at five oh one, it's like the door swing and everybody's like out the door. You know, we got a guy that tries it because they're out honey. Oh, we got a guy that runs trail runs after in uh dude, yeah, oh he does. He'll leave the office in his trail running gear with a bow in hand, shut and run into his own and make it by the time that the Golden Hour is incredible. He's a machine. Oh yeah, I was privy to some. Um, I was privy to some like composite customer feedback stuff about first one showing me and people there's a universal thing of people describing um a aha moment around the customer service. Yeah. I think that is a pretty well well spread. Those guys are dialed and it's it's interesting too because a lot of in large companies, you fifty sixty people customer service. These guys are four to six dudes per day that use our stuff every day. You know, they're they're out in and every day. Whether it's skiing in the winter, elk cutting in the fall, duck hunting, whatever you name it, they're using it. So yelling at your wife, yeah, well, not a lot of married guys that yet. They're all single dudes running the hills. Mary did the woods. So they answered the phone and like, what exactly is the problem let me. That's right. It is a good trailer running stuff though too nice. Yeah, I wouldn't. Did you did you give Maggie temper? Maggie, we come from the same place we do. Oh so you help them out? You're throwing to him because you guys are from the same zone. We made the connection. Nice. The last question, Phil, you're getting all you getting jealous? Yeah? I think looking around this room, I am the only person in here who has yet to shoot a deer or gone hunting at all. Have you think about doing some hunters safety? Yeah? No, I think I think Ben, Ben, Ben and I are going to do some stuff next year. So what do you do the hunter safety soon? I think in the next couple of months, hopefully if we can find a there's a field day component that sounds like a lot of fun. That's not a requirement, which okay, I didn't mind all in one day. Oh no, the field day is not required. So I think when I'm gonna throw out on the table right now, is um should we take bets on if Ben is going to be a take your time or exactly what's the pro I think you'll be worse than Steve. I think so I'm gonna put my money on the most patient. I think Ben is like, well, I've hunted with Bend until it's on. He might have a little bit of a problem, like we're going turkey hunting, he might shoot the turkey that you might want to shoot. Yeah, this sounds a little too specific. Patient, say you're spot anyway, so you'll do hunter safety and you you'll get after it in the spring. Yeah, I think so. I think that's a plan. I think turkeys are an awesome way to immerse yourself into this world. I feel grateful that that was my first introduction. It primes you. Yeah, get a lot of encounters. Yes, alright, well, um, when it happens, Phil, you'll be here anyway. Yeah, because you're the engineer, whether you have to schedule, Um, okay everyone until next year. Thank you, guys. Probably be that good to have a show about everybody's second year. I'm gant to think of something different. Well first, oh, i think we're going in January. Actually, who me and Kyle and Anna, this girl Anna are going I think so let us know how it goes. I want to do the Beaver thing. I can't even call this episode what exactly is the problem. I would love to go beaver trapping. Really yeah, that interests me. Dude, don't even worry about it. I'll put you on the calendar. I would love to do that. Good deal. Okay, thank you, thank you, thank you,