00:00:08 Speaker 1: This is Me eater podcast coming at you shirtless, severely, bug bitten and in my case, underwear listening Hunt podcast, you can't predict anything presented by on X. Hunt creators are the most comprehensive digital mapping system for hunters. Download the Hunt app from the iTunes or Google play store. Nor where you stand with on x Oh, I gotta I Gotta covid hot tip for you. Um, it's like a hot tip off about COVID. I had. You know when you get a hair when you get a hit your haircut and uh and your t shirt gets all full of the hair and it just drives you insane. I feel like you have a bad barber because when I go, man, they keep it nice and tidy and keep it all off me. They have this thing they put around you make that a little tissue. Yeah yeah, well, I mean, but you know about I'm not saying that. It happens to me every time you've had that experience. My wife cuts my kid's hair and she doesn't put anything on them, and then they don't even they'll never wear these shirts again. They complain about him every time you can get it out and at home haircut. When I do buzz cut. You're exactly right. Well, I wore my mask, uh through my haircut my mask. Holy shit, is that uncomfortable? Yeah? Every time I put it on, I spitting all that hair out. They got stuck in that thing. Joined today by yp from Barstool Sports. How are you doing? I'm doing good? How are you? Um? Do you? Uh? I know your name is Ben. What's your preferred thing? I don't know, it's I'm sure like i'd like to get your guys to take That's gonna be a weird thing to meet a guy named young page views? What the hell is going on? It was an accident. I actually was never meant to be. I don't know. I made a music video, believe it or not, when I was trying to get a job at barstool and Dave calls himself Davy page views because he came up as a blogger and that's like the mess. Yeah, so that that's like a cool thing. I don't know get Yeah, he was like the king of the page views. So when I made I was trying to get his attention, and I was like, weirdly to like do fishing content. I was like, I made a music video, don't ask me how or why, but the attention of Dave Port, one of the funniest dudes ever. Yeah, I don't know. I think does a good rant. He's annoyed about something, it's crazy as long as it's not him about something, So that I could watch him express annoyance. I would love I told us when we talked the first time, when and when I was you know, w we're gonna have an argument about hunting. Yes, I would love to see you guys to talk about it, because I've never seen him lose an argument. He's do you think he'd come on this show and argue with me about hunting. Here's the thing, he's smart enough to know when. Um, I think he's smart enough to know when. Like I think he doesn't want to hunt, but he knows the ethics where he's not going to get into an argument about like it's totally bad because he eats meat, and like he's smart enough to know that that's hypocritical. Oh yeah, So, like I think he just doesn't want to hunt, you know what I mean? But I don't think he likes the best kind of person on the planet, the best Like I was the whole planet didn't hunt but really supported it. So then you should like me because that's me right now I have I'm not a big hunter guy, but I eat a lot of meat. But now, actually you won't like me because now I'm coming into the I'm trying to start, you know what I mean. Yes, I'll stop liking you soon, I know soon, But I'm still bad enough shot that you still like me for a little bit. You want to hear a crazy hunting story, I would love Spencer will tell you one, tell him about the owl, Spencer, um yanni before I tell the story, Like what is the Latvian mantra when it comes to karma? Like, karma is a big part of stuff, right, Karma is a big part of Latvian stuff. I feel like I've heard you talk about karma a lot. Yeah, you, my Spencer, that our whole lens in the Lavian culture has attributes that aren't necessarily Lavian, that we described as Lavian. Maybe maybe so maybe this isn't a Latvian thing, it's a honest thing. Yeah, totally, all right? All right, Well I thought I thought a lot about you, and this was happening. I was in eastern Montana this last weekend. Um, I was on my second day the haunt. There was moving spots. From my morning spot, it's my afternoon spot. On my drive, I came across an owl caughting a barbedwire fence. Great horned owl caught in a fence, caughting a barbed wire fence. So I pulled over to take pictures, and uh, I snapped a photo. Yeah, it was big. My brother hit one one time busted out the front grill and the headlight on this car owl. After being up close, I can understand why pulled over to take some pictures because it's like, oh, this is like kind of a cool poetic scene or something. I don't I don't know why. Like two tall animal way bigger that was Doug during was here. He didn't know already. He looked it up on his phone. Two feet is not a bad guess. Caught in the fence. So I take a few pictures. You thought there was poetry in watching this. I will suffer. At the time, I didn't know that it was still alive. The whole scene from my pickup on the side of the road to the barbed wire fence looked like this was death. There were feathers in the ditch. It had um like evacuated its bowels in the snow. I couldn't see its head. I thought maybe it was decapitated. Gez. So I get, I get sort of close. I take a few pictures, and then it moves like, oh, this thing is still alive. Is a good Lavians always know that. I want to know more details about how it was caught bottom strand between two It looked like, no, it was in the top strand. It looked as though it had been crucified, like both wings were on the top barbedwire fence. That poetic yeah, and then it's the rest of his body was just hanging down. I have photos I can show you. Um after this, are you gonna put him on Instagram? I think so? All right, so everybody go to Instagram. Do you want me to do it? Are you gonna it? Uh? We'll figure it out later. Ey tell him your handle at Spencer New Hearth and eu H A R T H Spencer New Hearth and you will find photos of Spencer's h poetry. All his poetry is written in feathers. What's your guess was it? Was it swooping down to get something? So I have a pretty good answer on this part. I'll get to in a second. So I find this owl, realize it's still alive, get to work on getting it out of the fence. The one wing comes out pretty easy. The next wing, though, was like in there in there is he just biting at you. Nope, it was. It was very docile. Um. When you're up that close, the talents are like ridiculous on it. But the good news was I had my first light mits with me, which were like the biggest, heaviest wool winter gloves that they have, and I was able to handle it pretty confidently with those. So I kind of opened up its talents, which had a wing in one of its talents, and I pulled that out. It was like its yeah, it's talents were just kind of grasping at whatever it could get it. It had sort of grasped its own wing um, so that the next wing, though, would not come out. I tried as far as I could, could not get it up. But I had a players in my pickup, wrapped up in the bar wrapped up in the barb badly um. So I went to my pickup, got a players, and I cut the fence on both sides of the wing and then the owls and free. But I had like three inches a fence hanging out of its wing. I also I haul my camping gear in four totes. I keep it in in four totes that I don't know how big, maybe like thirty gallons or something. And I had one of the toads that were empty, so I put the owl in the toe in the back of my pickup. Did not have service where I was at, drove out about twenty miles to where I could get service, called the game warden. UM. After like calling five of them, one finally answered and he said, well, I would just leave it. Whatever happens happens, he said, And that wasn't well, no, you know what why it's not maybe not in disrespect to him, because like I wouldn't regard a fence like if you found it tangled up in a oh, like a coyote had got her sounding yeah, then I could see that you would have that perspective. But here it is, it's in a man made thing, and so now humanity is involved. Yes, there was like some responsibility and it wasn't my fence. Um, the game warden said, just whatever happens happens, let it be. But I wasn't real satisfied. And at this point I had a live owl in the back of my pickup, so it's also like beyond the whatever happens happened, probably getting attached a little bit, right, Yeah, what's his name? Well, I already had some names picked doubt for it. Actually, we'll get to that. So I was gonna call it. Uh. I had two names picked out, either Peck because of where it was that you can figure that part out on your own for Peck Reservoir, or Meat either because I'm sure it eats a lot of meat. I'd like those two. So I got a phone in the game Warden wasn't real satisfied. I called the Billing Zoo. The Billing Zoo said, we do not do any owl rehabilitation, but you should call the Montana Raptor Conservation Society whatever they're called. Is that down the Bitter Route. They are in Bozeman, right out of both So I called them on a Saturday afternoon. It like noon. They answered, and they said, well, um, here are the options. You can drive it to us in Bozeman, or we have some contact spread out throughout the state where we'll do like a little relay race where you will deliver it to this person, they will deliver it to us. We could do that. So the woman on the phone, she also told me this on the on end. She says, birds and fences at very low survival rate, uh, and an even lower rehabilitation rate. That like this thing is going to function well enough to be like they just get too banged up. Yes, she saw like a bad situation. Not many of them come out of there in a good deal. So they found somebody who was a volunteer ninety miles away that I could then drive the owl to. Then that person would deliver it the rest of the way to the Raptor Center. Um. So I agreed to do that and basically took myself out of hunting for the rest of the day because it was just going so far out of the way where I was going the opposite direction of where I wanted to go, and I wouldn't be able to hunt that evening because there's just gonna be too much time on the road. So I take this owl to the woman who's then going to take it to Bozeman and on my way home from there. Oh okay, So you say, like here's it owl in a box. What's her take on it? Yes, so, my, my, no, this this person was just regular citizen. And I handed them a box with an owl and a tote, a tote that had holes caught in it with my bench made e d c so we could breathe. I handed them the tote and then they took it the rest of the way and they didn't even take a peek. So the person the raft center said that they cannot handle the owl at all. They're not allowed to. But that lady told me that this was the third bird in the week that she had taken to them, and she had hit the trifecta now in a week because she had done an eagle hawk and then this was her owl. Man, A lot of birds get messed up out there, apparently. I've heard that barbed wire fences are one of the biggest detriments to sage grouse populations, and and and in that area you'll see a lot of fences that have flagging on them just to make it more visible so the sage crouse don't fly into it. And they put those little metallic reflectors on there to blow on the breeze because it's like a certain people when you string I don't know whatever height inches I've heard that that that's kind of like a cruising height for them or huh so no one. So to this point, you haven't gotten any any updates or any reason to think that the owl is gonna make it, not make it. You're saying, like right now or the day that I was deliverating right now. I'll get to that at the end. I have an update on thet Was he able to stand up in the tote? So it was? He? Was he laying down like in a little coffin, Yeah, he was. He was mostly laying down. When I would mess with him, he was like conscious. He would look at me. You're well harassing in a way of like trimming the barbed wire around so it didn't have ten inches a barbwire instead of spencer three inches. You're still getting up to the Latvian karma thing, right, Yeah? Did you hunt down a mouse or a bowl or anything to try to feed it? No? No, not enough time. Oh can I tell you something real quick though? My kid, we're out hunting for the youth season. He found a baby mouse and carried around in his bino pouch and it was like, I'm not kid. We got it a deer later and a mouse. Um was licking his hand and stuff like he this mouse was like a full on pet mouse. And he had your your son told you about this. He's like look and they look at his biny pouch was there, you know? Anyways, he's carrying his mouse around and there all day long. Then him and his sister they name it everything. Then they have a change of heart and let it go. And then the next day just for like catatonic about having let that mouse go and wanted to go find another baby mouse. And I was like, I haven't wandered around this planet for forty six years. That's the first baby mouse I've ever seen anyone finds. I don't think you're gonna go out right now and get one. I can him in the right direction, though, you know, are down and our chicken coop. I'm sure there's a couple running around. They forgot about it. But I was going to rig them up a bucket trap and just put nesting material in there so instead of them drowning and and and a freeze, they'd have like a little collection of mice. They could come on, come on, Steve's great anyways, I'm oh, this is a great story. I love it alright. So I've now relaid the owl to the other person. That person is in route to Bozeman. I'm in route back to camp, but I'm not going to make it back to camp in time that evening to hunt. Just not not enough daylight left on my way there though, about thirty miles from where I just dropped off this owl, I see some deer filtering into a field, um, a couple hundred yards off the highways, private land. But I had on X and I had the maps downloaded, despite there not being any service found out where the landowner lived, because I thought, well, this is my one chance, like this is my only opportunity hunt for the seed. Me wait and knocked on the rancher's door and they told me that I could go hunt. Now. Mind you, to this point, I had decided this summer that was like, I'm gonna try to find a white tail property to hunt this year in eastern Montana. And I went over fifteen I'm getting permission, no ship, No, but just they happened, just not happened. Did you butter them up with the owl story? Did not come up. I was prepared. I was trying to rescue an owl, and he'd probably like, bring me the oles. I'm gonna strangle it if he's like an old rancher. Anyways, I was trying to rescue an owl and I couldn't help. But notice I was prepared to explain how I wound up in their you know, driveway, to talk to them, but it didn't get to that point. He disagreed on the front. He's like, oh, that's no problem, ye. So I go back to where I saw the year I walk into the past year in an hour later, I had killed a buck, a buck that I was really stoked on, like that. I would shoot any state, anywhere, private or public, grade four by four. So I would have never been in that area had it not been for rescuing the owl, though, because I was eighty miles in the wrong direction from where I wanted to be hunting that evening. Did you then go sleep in your camp that night? Nope. I went and broke down camp and drove home fun. The whole time this happening, I was thinking of Yanni and Karma, and I was telling that to my wife. Tell that story to Yanni's dead. If you really want to get the dope, okay, it would just be like, of course, that's how the universe works. I don't believe, but I'm closer now, closer. I got an update on the owl on Monday. It's dead, so that that was a bummer. They said it could not be rehabilitated. Both wings were in too bad of shape. Um, there'd be too much stitching to be done. They just said it wouldn't they They put it down. Yep. You know that joke about the guy it goes out of town his cat gets on the roof. That reminds me of that joke. I wanted a happy ending, real bad I was. I was stoked. I was like, I'm gonna volunteer for them. I'm gonna go feed this thing. I'm gonna go and take pictures of this owl named meat Eater. I'm gonna be there when they release it. You had like a little mind movie. I was called the movie when I happened, I was all in on it. We have three four like real writers in this room. You consider yourself a writer too, man, I would not say so. Is there a name for a story that has like simultaneously like that a good and bad ending. Mm hmm, Well you could do it. You can do it. Choose your own ending, and you'd be like, if the owl dies, I'll get the deer. Well, what I gotta seven. It's kind of like the ending of a Tarantino movie. Really, Like I was telling my wife. I was telling my wife about this like karma that I had built up and stuffy right, and then I killed this here and she's like, well, if karma works, like I don't know that they would reward you. That's killing another animal. Like that's a great I read your wife brought that up. That's a really good point. You're saying that, like I saved an animal, and so I was rewarded by the universe with being able to kill one. Yep. But then the one I say died too. And that's just how the raw deal Man story. It didn't die in vain. I guess it helped me get a buck. If that owlhead lived, he'd sue you for like stealing his ship. And now I know i'd handle the situation. Next time come upon someone this just called the Montana Raptor Center. They'll get you hooked up. They are like a very energetic are you gonna become a donor. No, they're not gonna be a donor. No. But I looked on their website for volunteer opportunities. The only volunteer opportunity have right now is if you live in Billings, Montana, you can be part of this relay race from taking owls from there to Bozeman. You know those places often take like trim meat and hunters and stuff. You got von Shnard had that story he used to bring road killed deer. He used to bring road killed deer to a raptor center, but he said they'd usually show up minus the backstraps, but no one ever brought it up. Um uh, would you volunteer there at the expense of being able to rock hound? Why couldn't I do both? I'm saying like, so, let's say a Saturday comes up like rock hounding in one hand, fixing up uh raptors in I felt like pretty rewarded throughout the situation, up until I found out that it died. So I I enjoyed um that I think I would do that again. Yeah, I gotta asked, though I've eaten some pretty weird ship with you, did it ever cross your mind? Once they said it was dead. Did you Did you ask him if you could press it out? No, because I imagine their their euthanizing situation is just like cocktail. I think that was an ass breast on that bird. Man owl is not gonna have. My dad always told story. My dad was from the era when people just just shot things for no reason. He always told a story about sitting in his tree stand one day and seen an owl, like an eye level with him, way off and shooting, and he said his arrow goes He's talking about how like fluffy they are, and he says, his arrow goes right through the owl. But the owl doesn't even flinch, and he realized that it just passed through the feathers of the owl. Now, I would say, like, why the movie we're shooting at the owl. By the time, you're just like, huh, yeah. Those days. He used to belong to this. He used to belong to the Chicago Bowman and they had a little patch with every like everything that was on Noah's Ark they had a patch for. And all you had to do is going to be like I shot a toad with my bow and you get the toad patch. I'm not kidding, And he had like a sash. I'm like, he had like a sash with dozens of patches of just everything on the planet. Because this is back when people are super excited about bows, like the Fred Bear era. Who's that dude? He went to Africa to prove you could kill an elephant with a bow and shot like ninety times Howard or something like that. It was like everybody was geeked up on bows. It's like people hadn't hunted with bows and they were getting back into hunt with bows, and so everybody's just trying to show like how great bows were so you could get bow seasons and ship like that. He like worked really hard to get states to get bow seasons and then later in his life fought against states having crossbow seasons. Uh okay, one more little report. Hold on the the interaction I was dreading most throughout this whole thing. Was then talking to the rancher about me cutting his fence, which was not ideal for him certainly, But I found his phone number, called him told in the situation, and he was very understanding. He was really pleasant. I offered to go back and fix it for him, and he's like, no, just tell me where it's at I'll deal with it. So on that front, And so was he like, yeah, I would have done the same thing, or was he kind of like you did what it was? It was pretty brief. That didn't come up when you cut the wire? Did it? Call twing and like undo six posts? It would have been an easy fix for somebody. You called him up, called him up. Well, I felt bad. No, I you did the right thing. I was actually wondering about that the whole time. But I was trying to only interrupt you, like thirty times. Did you when you called to tell him about his fence, did you try to sneak in him permission? Ask? Well, I was cutting your fence. I couldn't help, but a beautiful property deer was dead by that point, so I didn't I didn't need any more permissions. Well, I got you, that's right. I didn't want I didn't want to push karma too much there? Okay, Yanni, Um, we gotta cut in Taylor McCall's intro. Okay, Yeah, and say is gonna help Johnny sam longn is gonna help Yanni with his book? Report? Brody Henderson's here too. He hasn't really said ship I'm just waiting for my moment. Okay, UM, go ahead, UM, I'm here today to talk about how Um, I don't have a proper intro. Strong did you were? You were probably flying high off the owl story, right I was? I mean until it got killed, I don't know. And then and then like when Yanni kicked in there, did you feel like just a real like just the energy drained out of the room. Didn't I'll just die it again? When he started, I remember that it got ethanized. We're gonna go from predatory birds to pray birds. Talking talking about ducks, the US Fish and Wildlife Service announced I think over the summertime that for were their contest that UH takes in artwork entries that are then used for the Federal duck stamp has a new rule. Okay, now to tell you all about Federal duck stamp, exactly what it is and how that works. Here's Sam Longan. That's great. That's and I promise I will pick it up because I was very eloquent, just like getting in there and out of there. Well, thanks Johnny. Glad to have an opportunity to about one of my favorite Well, I think many of our listeners are probably abundantly familiar with the federal duck stamp program. Every American who wants to hunt waterfowl has to buy one every year. It's twenty five dollars. The program was established in nineteen thirty four. And you can read a piece I wrote about out Ding Darling jay Norwouold Darling, who was a political cartoonist, satis. How do you say that we're satirist satirists? It doesn't sound right though, does either way? He tired things, Yeah he did, he did, um but yeah it was it was a cartoonist for most of his career, but he UM. He became so prominent that UM Franklin Delano Roosevelt hired him to start the US Fish and Wildlife Servi Service. It was called something different back then. UM. But Congress passed the Federal duck Stamp Act in nineteen thirty four, and he was responsible for implementing that, and he drew the first one. It used to be a dollar, UM, but it was. It was meant to generate funding for UM wetlands concerts. Started out as a dollar one dollar, Yeah, you know, it was how much money total? Now it's over a billion dollars and a billion dollars. You see different numbers in different places. I've seen eight hundred million in some places, but the US Fish and Wildlife Service says one billion and and that they've conserved over six six million acres of um of wetlands since nineteen. Yeah. Absolutely, man, it's so it's it's it's enormously popular and successful program. Um. And it's become really popular for collection. And I actually just spoke to the uh well the email to the chief of the Federal Duck Stamp Office this morning. Um. And is that his dedicated job or he just kind of kicks in for a week or two every year her dedicated job? But I believe it's year round. Um. And I've worked worked with her before to get permissions for US to use uh images of duck stamps because our media. But she said that they sell one point five million stamps every year, and what are they get now? There were dollars now they had been like fifteen for an attorney fifteen until and everybody had a ship fit. Yeah, because it went up from fifteen to twenty five. But then people had to point out, we haven't raised it for a long time, decades decades. But we're also scheduled for another ten dollar increase sometime and then your future I believe, and anyone that wants to hunt ducks has to buy that and then for a weird reason, I guess, maybe not weird, because no, they don't want you trade in it between your friends. You gotta write your name on it. Yeah, put it on your license and write your name across it. So it's like not transfer. I never really put that together. Yeah, it's like you can't be like, oh, just take my ducks damp. Yeah. And she she said that there's about one one million waterfowl hunters approximately every year who buy a waterfowl um waterfowl licenses and hunt waterfowl. But um. She also knows that a large proportion of hunters by two every year one to put on their license in one for a collectible, which my my dad's done for my entire life. He's always bought a couple. He likes the program. Yeah, he likes the program. Um. They have a series of like prints from back in I think the eighties with you know, like the actual print of the painting plus the ducks tall. Oh yeah, my friend Mark has a lot of those he's got a lot of those. He was like a big painting and then in the corner is actual stamp. Yeah. Yeah, my father in law has a wall literally of that. He was like a chapter chairman or president for a lot of years of a d u um uh chapter and uh yeah. I mean there's like I don't know, ten or fifteen in each frame, and there's just a whole wall of him. You know, he's been did it for forty years or so. Have you ever asked, did you when you're on the phone with what's the woman's name who runs that program? Fellows, have you ever asked her why they won't do like a cubist duck or an impressionistic I've wanted to, but I have like a modern duck. This conversation, I'm gonna ask you that it's a certain style. It's like very photographic, and who knows, maybe there's never even been a submission, well not in the style. Context of the previous of that article I wrote was about our friend Ed Anderson, who who has done some paintings and some collaborations with us before, and his his style is very like kind of comic book, like we did that shirt with him. The Tarpin that would they ever put one of his ducks on a stamp, So he's considered he's considered trying to submit something under his under his style, and I don't know, but we did talk about that because he was doing an art The reason I did that article as he was doing an artist in residency at the Ding Darling National Wildlife Refuge. So I was kind of comparing him to to Ding Darling because ding was a, you know, a cartoonist first and kind of a fine artist second. Um, So I think that would be really cool, um and shake it up a little bit, but I think it would probably ruffle some feathers. If you do what Susan, that's your name, yep, follows Susan, I would go down and I would have the crazy ass is looking abstract duct just see what happens some Picasso ship. Who knows, maybe it comes out so a cool that you sell an extra half a million next year. So let's get into you ready to get into the your So now you throw back to Yanni, go back to you. N Well yeah, well here let me set them up real quick, because because they sell one point five million a year, they think about one million goes to hunters, but they think a lot of hunters buy a lot more or well more more than one um. But you know, other people by other people do buy duck stamps, but it's certainly a smaller proportion. But at least two thirds of the sons of bitches are sold, at least two thirds. But you can't get free access to National Wildlife refugees if if you have a duck stamp, So there there is some incentive for bird watchers to do it, but that small percentage of people who buy duck stamps who are not hunters are now upset about a change of the rules. Back to you, Joanni, Back to you, Yanni, Thanks Sam. That was great for me. This is titilating because this is a lot of ship I didn't know. I didn't know about the refuge access. Yeah, and he and I wouldn't have told you because I don't know what told you, alright, So up until now I think that they basically we want just like, submit us pictures of ducks, right, we're for the duck stamp. Well. In May this year, the agency announced a new rule. The artwork submitted to the contest must include hunting imagery and so I don't think it's like all the whole thirty of those people that are non hunters that are now mad, but one probably ten of them. And uh, their group is called at least ten Friends of Animals, a dairy and based I don't even I don't know where this town darre in Connecticut. It's like, dude, if there's a place where a place called Friends of Animals is gonna be based and they're well funded, that's the place. That place I've never been people with enough money to get all that going as dairy in Connecticut. There you go. So yeah, they're they're saying that it's um, it's just it's just going to alienate this third and so we're gonna actually lose a bunch of duck stamp sales, and it's it's going like against you know, what this whole thing is for. And so basically we're gonna lose money for a critical habitat, lose money for the ducks themselves because those people aren't buying one. Yeah, and he the leader, the president, Scilla Ferrell is her last name. She says, it's almost comical the desperate links the din dwindling hunting industry is willing to go to make its clients feel relevant. Huh, I see both sides. Why did they make a rule that it has Like like, I'm happy they did, you know, Like first, if I'm out the park a lot or whatever, the guy comes up and goes there, he's a thousand bucks, right, I'd be like, I'm happy he gave me the thousand bucks. But I just don't get why he gave me the thousand bucks. Yeah, I don't see. I don't see any hunters saying we want we want to be featured in this state just to stick it to like why just to be rabble rousers. Well, no, I think there's because they want to say, hey, lest we forget the two thirds of this billion dollars over the last six seventy years, no, ninety years, lest we forget that it's two thirds of it has come from hunters. Let's make sure and so I believe it this year's winner. There is a floating duck call in the foregrounds cost or something. Yeah, I mean, how do you drop center. I don't think it's Sam's gonna protest, and not by because he doesn't like it. It's like I don't even have a Lanyard's it's what it is, a little bit wedged in there. I mean, I'm I'm all about this. I appreciate what they're trying to do, but it's just I feel like artistically it's it's it's a little bit forced you to prefer just like a flat out dead duck. I don't know, maybe a blind in the background or somebody somebody out in the ky back with a string of a sea duck decoys or something like that. Now, it's always been those beautiful like wings cupped, soaring coming in right at sunset, probably after the legal shooting light right so you can't shoot him anyways, But you could just change that from that, just that beautiful wing stretched outlook to that one where like it's just when he gets hit and he kind of sometimes his wings, his head falls to the side and he sort of has that like gravity is taking over moment. They probably considered that one call and it's kind of floating in the water. There were a lot of details about this. The one that right here, oh hold on a minute, is that it's supposed to be a decoy or a real duck. Supposed to be a real duck. Sam the Landard got hung up on those cantails. Oh dang it, I was thinking or anything. It seems like I do, I I do like it. I'm just I'm just saying and like I'm a traditionalist incorporated hunting into a picture better. Yeah, but yeah, it's like his lanyards kind of tangled up in some cat tails. Maybe from Armistice Day. M Oh yeah, it's like the day the duck hunters died. It is. Yes, Spencer just wrote an awesome article about that. What do you think about all that? Is that that is what they're mad about. They saw that and then got mad. Yeah government, No, No, they're getting mad about the rule that all submissions now have to include hunting in the imagery. I will I just want to just that or every year. No, as far as I understand it, just from the little research that I did, it's going forward. I've got to imagine that that will change back though, because these folks from Darien. No, because the leadership of the Department of the Interior is about to change, gonna get a lot less hunting friendly, potentially potential tv D that means to be determined. I was gonna talk about the drug ketamine. Do you ever go into a khole. Yp oh, I have not. I was gonna talking about the drug because you no, but they use it on wildlife. And a guy wrote in a pretty good explanation of like how ketamine is used and wildlife research and how a kademine is used recreationally and how ketamine is used as a medical drug, and he sent this chart about the more you take, how you move from an analgesia? Am I saying that right? An? I like how it goes from being an anal Jesus. And I've never ever liked that word. No, it's not a good word. I've never liked that word. It goes from a pain reliever it. Yeah, but those things, dude, you can't trust. Those things can't trump. No, It's like an automated robot. It's like ask oh, I got a great Yanni story for you. So you know, everybody thinks Joannice, his name is Janice. This is hilarious. So yeah, it's got this big ship when the shrimp tails from our buddy Greg. Oh, I haven't even heard this one. Yeah yeah, so but Greg's like, does somehow Jannice this big ship and the shrimp tails is showing up at the airport free and the honest is supposed to go down and pick up his frolls and shrimp tails, but he's out of town. So I'm like, ship, I rag get the shrimp tails, but I can't. I can't member why I couldn't. I had some reason I couldn't get the shrimp tails. So Kylie, I'm like, Kylie, can you go pick up yannie shrimp tails? He's out of town. So Kylie goes down there and walks in to get the shrimp tails. Guts firsting out of the woman's mouth. You must be this, she smiled, nodded, and took the box on much much smaller spot prawns than we're used to catching any dark colored like. They weren't cleaned properly. Did you notice that when you thaw them? Have you eaten any yet? They have iodine color to them. That's I don't see on the big dogs. You don't think that's because they're very eggy. I feel like that year that we caught all the egg laden ones, they were more like this. These tails didn't have any eggs on them. Oh no, like more than the ones I had as Yeah, I've only eaten one bag of years. We ate two bags. They're not mine. They sent him to both of us. I handed a couple out to some co workers too. Uh yeah, as you up this ketamine dose, you go into a dissociate, dissociated state. But I'm not gonna cover that because we're gonna get into something else. Uh Okay, this is why people I want you to know. As you're sitting in here. Um, so far, it's been pretty typical covered the kind of stuff we normally cover. Here, You're gonna see a wild deviation in what way we're gonna talk about the thing we wouldn't normally talk about. We've only done this once before. We've done a book dedicated podcast before twice. Yeah, because you and I you know, have actually maybe done this might be our fourth. Because I believe we don't did one each for the guide books, and we definitely did one for the cookbook. I don't think if we had, I don't think we did. Back you and I. I think I flew to Seattle and it was in your first house in Seattle, and we were in some crazy little high up office, like you had some office on the third floor of this old house and we were tucked in there. It had like a slanted ceiling and we're tucked in there, and yeah, we probably barely knew each other, but we went through the first guide book True story, all right, So it's a little more typical than that thought. A little more typical I thought. So never mind all that. So a very typical episode for us here where we talk about a new book release that we have out. I want to I want to start out with a quick story. The last time we did this, we did we had an episode a couple of years ago which was called Begging and Pleading. This might we might call this episode Begging and Pleading re Dux Part two, UM one or the other. Begging and Pleading was an episode dedicated to our cookbook that we did. That was what you guys, you you listeners out there came out in such full fledged support of us after begging and pleading that all of the cookbooks that existed sold before the book was released. Now here's an interesting story. It has been Honestna, honest, gonna come out and Titus, you can dislike me or whatever, but I'm gonna tell you like I want to have like like I would like to have a book that was on the new York Times best Seller List. Real, real, bad, total vanity bullshit. But that's just my dream and hope you guys bought so many copies of the cookbook. After begging and pleading that all the cookbooks that were in existence were sold before publication date, you all went and bought them on Amazon dot Com because Amazon had made a sizeable order. Now, I know, as a point, like the New York Times best seller List looks at how many books were sold into in a certain week. However, all of your pre orders count during your first week, so you might have a book be for sale for three months before it's released date. The release date on our new book, which is called The Mediator Guide to Wilderness Skills and Survival, has a December one release date. You could already go order it right now. On December one, all the pre orders hit, and then you have the seven days after, and that all counts for your New York Times bestseller list. Thing. What happened with the cookbook is all the copies in existence all sold through Amazon, and Amazon is historically been in like a piston match with the New York Times, where the New York Times won't accept Amazon's sales figures independently. They need to see it verify because they don't want someone like a single company being able to bullshit them or have their numbers wrong and report a number and then that goes down the list and they can't independently verify it through some formula where you look at how it's sold in other markets. Because all of our books sold and they had to wait for a reprint, no books sold in other markets. I know as a point of fact, because my publisher had the umber six book on the New York Times in our category are same publisher had the number six book that week, and they told us that we sold thousands more copies than the number six book on the New York Times bestseller list, but they didn't count us because it all sold to Amazon. That's in bullshit. It's just how it is. I have been mad about it ten times already. So have they resolved it though? As Amazon like counted now or no, they won't count it. They can't. What they're trying to prevent two is someone buying their own book onto the best seller list, which people have actually successfully done, like certain categories. I don't want to spend too much time on this ship there are certain categories of books where like a like a surprisingly low number, we'll land you on the list. There have been people that are just you know, well funded individuals who could go on and do these big bulk orders or have like a bunch of their friends do a maximum you can you can game the system. So they have this way to try to build in where that kind of thing isn't happening, and so they want to see, um, they want to see that the book is doing well in a variety of marketplaces, to the point where this is like kind of some weird dirtiness about the list, to the point where there are certain independent bookstores, say where on the New York Times list will value their sales two x. It's some weird ask. It is not like what books sold the most. It's like an account for the way book buying has changed. Either That's what I'm saying. But you imagine you got place like that. You know that, like there's like a hostility towards the big man, big man being Amazon. So all that is meant to say, as we sell you on this book over the next little bit here, We're gonna spend thirty minutes selling you on this book. As we sell you on this book, I don't really don't. I don't care where you buy the damn thing. I want you to have the most frictional lists interaction possible. But if a little party you, a little tac party you says you know what, I'm gonna call up Billy's Books down on Main Street and order my copy through Billy, I won't be upset. Neither will Billy. Oh always good to support small businesses. Yeah, you need to call that old Bill if you're on a first name name bail. Like I said, I want, I think people should have a frictionless buying experience. There is indisputably a lack of friction and that's in an Amazon sale. And by god, if that's that's how you want to buy the book, buy the book that way. The main things you buy the damn book just as a favorite to me. Secondarily, if you can make some purchases through you know, buy that one, then go buy some more through other places, just in order to um. It's just simply this. It's simply just to make me have the happiest day of my damn life outside of my kids being born, um, by having one of our books go on that damn list. Think about nice hunting friendly company represented on that list. What that category do we fall under? Remember the name? I should know that you mean the book category. I don't know which nonfiction category. I don't know if we'd be on general on Amazon to Yeah, it falls under a couple of different games. Well, yeah, we made every other like our cook book made every other best seller list on the freaking planet, but not the one that anyone pays attention. Not a science I don't want to dis other best sellers, just like a certain cash, a undeniable cash, A that's the one that everybody cares about. Oh my god, I could just taste it. Well, probably we might make a T shirt that's a big red stamp on it, says New York Times bestseller. That's a great idea, just one right now, wearing our new our newest T shirt with a big old fashioned double long spring on it. Trapping shirt. Were you inspired to make that shirt after our visit down to uh, Jean the antler Man kind of Jim Jim? I think it was Jim Phillips. Oh, sorry, go ahead, I don't know. I'll just trying to help you on with the name thank you. Uh, okay, a little bit about the book. We're gon we're gonna try it. We're gonna do this, try to do this in a painless fashion for y'all. But it would be after working on the book for years, um and a lot of people in the room. What it got. A lot of the pride, the primary uh folks were in the room, excluding why pe you didn't he didn't do shipped for the book. I didn't do anything, like nothing, didn't even contribute like a nothing. But maybe he will with a blurb here later. It's too late for the book. So oh, you'll notice in the dedication. I don't want to point out the type. On the dedication, someone changed dirt Myth's name to Dirty Myth, which I'll never you can't change. It has got to stay that way forever. That it's the only mistake I've found. So the book is called again. The book is called The Meater Guide the Wilderness Skills and Survival. It is how many pages long? For counting, the index is four five pages long. Let me tell about why this book exists. I feel as though the you'll notice that, like in the name, wilderness skills precedes survival, right so like the me Eater Guide to Wilderness Skills and Survival, I feel as though the survival the survival genre has been kind of tainted in recent decades, maybe by sort of like fantastic estical television portrayals of survival situations that create this idea that nature, that wilderness are these like horribly dangerous places. Um, you best get out of there in a hurry before something bad happens to you. Uh, and you know, just always you're able to drink your peat um and everybody's gonna kill you. I view this book as being a, you know, an antidote to that and resetting Wilderness Skills and Survival to a position where it is very well thought, moderate, highly skilled information sets that are passed along to you in order that you will feel more functional, capable, comfortable in the outdoors, whether you're a professional who works in the outdoors, whether you're someone who's taking their kids out camping, whether you're just getting into hiking and you're gonna go visit a string of national parks, whatever, that you will go into the woods with competency and you will understand the equipment and skill sets and mindsets involved in all forms of wilderness travel from like basic recreational too advanced stuff. It is not a book that's like meant to be full of crazy cockamami bullshit. In fact, the original title, working title, yeah, was the No Bullshit Guide the Wilderness Skills and Survival. Uh. That's the book. And we worked on it. Um. The folks in this room, Brody Sam Spencer did work on it. Y'all need to work on a bunch of other people to work on it. We collaborated with emergency room doctors of her guides, all kinds of uh, you know, mountaineers, consulted with and put together a collection of um information that I am very proud of to see bound together in a book. And what we're gonna do here is kind of walk through what you'll find in here in order to give people a better sense of what's going on. So I'll start up by talking about the introduction real quick, which is called The Surprising Dangers of Some Moors. And one of the things begin in this book and try to like a theme throughout, is that a big part of wilderness travel and wilderness skill and even even like a survival mentality is being realistic about risk and threats. I think that it's easy to have. It's easy to get um preoccupied with the idea that you're gonna get mauled up by a mountain lion in um and you lose sight of what actually happens to people. And one of the things we found our research that was really surprising is that depending on who you go to, so like groups that keep track, like wilderness groups that that field people out in the wilderness, and they keep track of what things like over the course of decades, what things are leading causes of wilderness evacuations, simple strains and sprains and cooking accidents, like when you go out in the woods, you have a far greater chance of just burning the ship out of your hand on a camp stove. Did you hear Garrett Smith's story? Not the one we poked his eye out with a pine needle. Not that one. Yeah, that one required some skills that could be found in this book, But no, exactly that like a five six day trip. I can't remember what river in Montana. Garrett's a big kayaker, and uh, he's got a full pot full. What's that new stove we like so much now? The MSR reactor boiling hot water and he goes to grab it and it kind of slips and half that water goes on to the top of his hand. And he just said for two months it was just blistered and puffy, and they were only like it was like their first or second night in so he had had like three days ahead of him out in the sun gripping a kayak paddle and having to paddle with that wound. I saw a bad one of the yeah, one of the worst back country injuries. I saw. It was someone where he had an alcohol stove and it's super bright out in the middle of the day and it's hard to see that flame. The flame is blue at NiFe and the daytime, it's very hard to see the flame. They thought the soap had run out because he couldn't see the flame and went to free poor alcohol into the stove and that huge, nasty blissed a hand burn also on a river trip and there's just nowhere getting I mean, you're just there. I mean you could have like really really pulled the cord on the whole thing. So no, because that back then we didn't have like sad phones and in reach devices, which we cover heavily in this book. Uh, surprising Dangerous Moores. Then we get into the next thing. We get into and Yani's gonna do a second book report, your your book reporting on this one. Yeah book report. Uh, you guys gonna breakdown what to pack and wear, like how this chapter works. And the introduction Steve that you just mentioned doesn't count towards the page count, so you actually get like those six pages for free you buy. Do they do that? Can I tell you one quickly? Tell me why an introduction isn't countered doesn't start on page one? I don't really know. That's odd. I'll tell you a little book thing. I do know. There's a title page, like a lot of books have a title page, Like if you go to this book, you hit a page or says the me Eater guy to Wilderness Skills and survival. But it's just that. And then you go to the next page and it has the author and publisher. They called this page the bastard page. And if you have, like an antique book that's been signed by the author, it's preferable that has been signed by the author not on the bastard page, but on the page that shows it's it's lineage, meaning the publisher. There's the thing I want to mention about the introduction. The introduction I tell I kind of kick off the book by talking about Yeah, I think, Yeahni was here. We're up in the Yukon Charlie's Rivers Preserve one time and we flew over the wreckage of a plane that went down during World War Two and it was one of the guys on the plane was this dude, Leon Crane. Everybody died in it was an experimental flight in the forties. Everybody died in the plane except Leon Crane. And it talks about what Leon Crane did. He was it took him months, nineties some days. He was stranded in the middle of the winter east of Fairbanks negative twenty and what he did for those ninety days and the kind of things that uh he tried in the calculations that he made. And I get into like why did that dude? Like what was it about that guy that knew? Like he just didn't make any mistakes And you remember flying over that wreckage. So I talked about I kick off. I talked about my brother Danny, who lives in Alaska and works out a single engine aircraft. He he's he believes in like getting up and getting down, like you don't fly around extra ship. But what's kind of ironic is I remember we kind of flew out of our way a little bit to go look at that wreckage, which violates the get up, get down principle. But I started by talking about that guy and then some other ship. But then uh Ni lay out what people will find and what to pack and were I will. But first I'd like to point out that I had a before this book I think was even really had its inception. There was like a time when we had maybe three or four, maybe half a dozen ideas of like what's the next book project going to be that we're gonna work on. I remember sitting on a plane and chatting with a lady and she's asked me about what I did. I was telling her about whatever adventure we were going to be on or we had just finished, and she said, you know, that's really a night like way, like not even kind of I think something I would do. She's like, I need like help just kind of just like going to like the nearest lake, whether there might be like a half a mile or a mile hike to it, and maybe a little hike around the lake and then getting back to my car in a matter of like a couple of hours. She's like that intimidates me, and I think we had a conversation soon after about, like, you know, it's important we make projects like this that we really because the vast majority of people out there don't have our skill set, maybe not even half of it, might be more like a small percentage of our skill set, and they are looking for just the basics to know that, yes, I'm comfortable and confident to go to that lake. It's a mile away, it's a big trail going to it, and you wouldn't like you And I just don't think that would be intimidating scary to just like be that far away from your car for a matter of hours and then come back. We're used to weeks at a time. But I think that this book speaks to that person. So you don't have to be Joe Hunter, Joe mountaineer. I'm looking into getting into back country skiing to get valuable information here. It can you can totally be a city dweller or the person you're buying it for. It can be a city dweller that's looking to get out for the weekend for like a day hike and be like, yeah, I read this. There's a lot of stuff. It's like beyond me, but there's like I know exactly what's in my pack, and if I happen to have some stupid accident out there at the lake, I'm covered. Right. That was great. I feel like Yanni's trying to get a job at the QVC channel. Man was a phenomenal salesmanship. I had to make up after my poor book show and just started out, started out, I caught you by surprise. Oh yeah, he really saved it. And now he's got to back up. At the top of the chapter one is what to pack and where? And um, you start off with the story of you and your brother is going dollar sheep hunting and sort of trying to weigh, you know, what's too much and what's too little, and trying to find that compromise where when you're in the middle, you're like, you're getting the experience of being out in the wild, but you're also safe, right, so you don't want to go out there and just have so much stuff and be burdened by everything that you're carrying around. And then you really have your experience. Isn't that much different than if you were to have lunch at home in your backyard, right, But having enough that again rainshower comes along, you don't get soaked and get cold and have a miserable time. Yeah, versus being like so minimalist that you're vulnerable, Like you're so minimalist that you're great as long as things go real well and the weather stays a certain way and and one thing to the next. Yeah, so bait and and what's cool is that you have a just like we did in the guide books. We had a lot of outside experts way in. And I believe that in this chapter, I saw that Rendy Warren weighs in and Brad Brooks anybody else Brody and that chapter I think that's about it. Yeah, but they kind of they kind of talk about both there and the spectrum there, like this ultra light guy and the guy that doesn't mind carrying a little bit more gear to have it um. I want to point out something real quick about kind of how it flows. So a part of it flows like the survival kits overview, a basic survival kit which gets into your basic like how to build a basic med survive a kit, then a big list of ship that's called extra ship for your basic kit, and then you get into the official Ocean Jury rig Kit, which is like more advanced. And I want to point out that the book kind of flows like that in general, where things start out in every chapter starts out like everything is great, Like, for instance, water starts out like if your car caping, how much water do you bring per person per day? And what does that get you? Ends with how to source water when in the absence of surface water? So every chapter flows like everything is perfect too. Oh, and that's the general path through. There's a lot of stuff I think that in here that you'll find and probably a lot of other like minded books, Like they's just stuff that you can't not talk about, like how to um, what's the system called we use the tarp in the hole in the ground to get water, Like that's a legit thing to do, right, that's in in a upcoming chapter. But but I like here, like in this one instance, it's like the the extra stuff that you guys want to think about to add Like we're in the what pack and were chapter, but you guys did like an extra part for like specifically kids right like, it's it's different. You gotta think about it. Kids get wet somehow when it's like nine degrees outside, you're in the desert, and somehow sons of bitches are soaked to the bone. You know. Uh. We one time took our kids. We're up in Alaska, and I was advocating not bringing a lot of clothes for the kids because I was like, they'll just wear him dry, like you know, yeah, it was like you and our kid right away wades out into the water. He's two wads, wades out into the water. So he's now he's soaked up to his waist and I'm like, well, yeah, but he'll just have to wear him dry. And my wife's like, well he also shipped his pants out there. You can't wear that dry wearing anything trying south the hard but when you got a dump in your pants, oh um, yeah, I don't. I don't have too much else to say about the chapter. I think that you should buy the book and read and see what all is in there. There even includes and and and and uh. We had um. We made sure to go in and have a female contributor tackle this one, but we got one called mountaineering tricks for saggy under things, and it's a it's information on sports bros. There you go. Steve Lays had a nice detailed packing and unpacking system in there, which I think is pretty valuable because a lot of people just kind of throw their ship and in a backpack and go. There's a condemnation of metal wedding rings, recover packs, knives, tools, shovels, all that kind of stuff. Oh and we also have in every chapter like tips section, And that's when you're writing a book. A lot of times you end up with a lot of extra stuff you wanted to talk about, but you can't make it fit nice um and in in narrative uh, in narrative nonfiction or novels and stuff you just want up you can't do it, like there's no way to do it. But in a book like this, you just have a thing called like extra stuff and then you just pile in all the stuff that you couldn't make fit normally. It's a way to do it real efficiently, to like just lay it out there quick and really why first chapter covered pretty well. I think it's good, and it from somebody who didn't write this book. So I can be an outside of perspective. I think it's important too that like a lot of people could be disassociated when they think the only time you need this is like, oh, you're in a plane crash or something. But what Y'ahanni's saying to where it's like it could be as simple as going the wrong way on the trail, and then you need some of these skills where it's like very accessible, you know what I mean. For me, that's like huge because it's like I could I could gain abilities that I might not have had just from reading. And it's it doesn't have to be some crazy scenario. It could be like everyday stuff. You know, did we pay you anything to be here? No? But I'm serious because that's true though a lot of times you're like if I tried to tell my fiance like, hey, this guy was in you know, the Sahara and his plane crash, she's already tuned me out. If it's like, hey, we're hiking, she tuned me out when I started talking. But it's like if you're just hiking, that happened to me like a couple of months ago, we're on mountains. I started like, yeah, this is the way We ran into these bird watching guys that were like up on this survey, who were like, what the hell are you guys doing out here? I was taking us across this ridge that was headed into like nowhere. These are skills I could have used if I didn't run into those guys or so I would have been screwed. We didn't pay you, But it would be awkward if you said, like this is stupid. Yeah, you know what, guys six out of ten, I don't know by it. Maybe that'd be weird. No, man, day hikers get lost and injured all the time. My niece lives in the Pacific Northwest, and she was out on a hike and busted her leg and spent the night overnight until some and came by. You know, just just this past year about the elk hunter in Colorado that's got super lost. They only found him because they decided on a whim to go to area where he wasn't supposed to even have gone into. No, I didn't hear this story, all right, Sam, Sam's gonna cover a cult before us that he worked very hard on. Yeah, well, I did uh water and food which sounds very simple on the outset, and got real complicated on me real quick. But um, you know if we felt like water was you know first and foremost after you know what you bring, what you wear because you know it's the the elixir of life. Um. And so first of all, we talked about you know, how much water you need? I mean, that's that's one of the biggest problems that people run into, is not bringing enough water or not knowing how to obtain water or or or or how to how to know what water you can trust. Uh. So we start off with with how much how much water you need basically you know, for a day to to to live and sit in an office or your couch downstairs. But um, you know, getting into how how that ramps up exponentially once you're outside doing stuff. Um. And and we we go, we go into the math of how how you know how much you need because you know, there's a lot of there's a lot of days hunting this time of year where it's cold and you're doing a lot of sitting, and you know, bring analogy with you for is is probably gonna suffice for a day, but then earlier in the season when it's seventy five degrees Um, you know, so you can, you can bring you can bring four liters sometimes and be down to the bottom by the end of the day. Uh, I have information on how to trick yourself into drinking, which is my problem. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Yeah, it's nice to have some tricks to, uh just get more liquids in and spice it up a little bit, because it can be a little boring to drink nothing but water. For if it's like below freezing. I'll go a day and look at my water bottle and I do that too, but then like the next day, I'm I'm all sore and cramp it up and stuff, and it's because you don't drink. One of my one of my favorite pieces we wrote about this is the highly divisive subject of water bladders. I'm a I'm a camel back guy, always have been, um, but I know I'm among a minority here with my colleagues as a as a camel back dude. And I don't do it all year because you run into problems once it starts getting cold. But I love having it so available. I just drink so much more water when when it's just like right there and you don't have to dig it dig the water bottle out of your pack when you're stopped and you can you can eat drink it on the on the run. But yeah, we we discuss all the different ways to carry your water. But then we get into the fun stuff that Steve has a lot more experience with than I do. But need need little words like gar dias giardias is gearediass isn't I butchered that cryptosporidium nailed it. Um as sharisia cool I e coal I to most people. But you know this the ship you can get from drinking unfiltered water. And uh, you know many of us have have just sipped out of a creek before. I mean I remember going on a three day hiking trip and that's all I did because I forgot my water filter. Um didn't. I didn't feel great afterwards. But we go in go real deep into water filters. There's a lot of different ones in the market, a lot of different um yeah, pros and cons and UV pens or stay pens, pros and cons on ceramic filters, pros and cons on gravity fed filters, absolutely sunlight boiling. Yeah, and we go we go all into where you where you find water because that can be a really tricky thing too, especially if you don't have a filter where where you can find water you might be able to trust. And I think that's where you know, we differentiate a little bit here from some other similar books, is that you know this is this is like you can you can drink unfiltered water if you have to. You're not necessarily going to die. It's maybe not a good idea, but you know that these things are available to you, and they're they're there are ways. There are other ways to to get clean water or make clean water. Um, if you don't have a filter, including you know, like we said, solar still transpiration bag, you can you can even use u V. I I didn't know this, but in Africa they use uv to filter their water all the time. They just use plastic waters and leave it out in the sun for a few days. It's clean. It's gonna be hot, but you know it's it's gonna be clean. Uh So yeah, I mean water is important as anything when you're out doing this kind of stuff. One of the things we get into it too, is like the science of how to rash and water, So like what when you have limited water, how do you parse it out? Spencer. We've covered this for on the podcast, but Spencer covers in the book, um, why not to drink your pa oh, and in real quick tells some other like we like don't like, we try not to give a bunch of bullshit, but some things, there's some bullshitty things are so pervasive that we actually had a touch on them. So especially, do you mind hitting on a couple of things we had to touch on. Yes, So we we had like, uh, I don't know, five or six sidebars in the book, maybe one for each chapter on sort of things that are really prevalent thinking, um that we basically said bullshit on, you know, like moss only grows on the north side of a tree, or you should uh be drinking your urine, or that men's stuating women are more likely to be attacked by bears, all that kind of stuff. Um. My favorite sidebar that we covered was in the last chapter, I think on the the medical part, um basically looking at some really popular movie tropes like cowboy cauterization, which I don't know if that's like the universal term, but that's what we've been referring to it as Like in Rambo three, Rambo finds himself in a very familiar situation. He is injured, he's alone, and he's shirtless, and he's got he's got a wicked wound in his abdomen. He pulls out a piece of shrakt stick didn't he I don't know, I don't know. That cannot be it. He pulls out a piece of shrapness at the size of his pinky from his abdomen. He then fills it with gunpowder and lights it on fire. And there's this like he's in a cave, of course, and it's painful to him. Yeah, and it lights up the whole cave and he passes painful, Yeah, and uh, he staves off infection and he goes on in the movie. I put this in our original draft. He didn't make it in the book about how he finishes the movie because it's just so badass, like how many people he killed? Well, and no, like the series of events afterwards. He goes on to steal a helicopter, crashes that helicopter. He then steals a tank, crashes the tank into a helicopter, and then saves a a all because he was able to do this cowboy cauterization. Now we talked to uh Dr. Alan Lazzaro said, you absolutely should not do that. An emergency room physician who we consulted with heavily in the book, Yep, he did not caught her eyes with gunpowder. Yeah, they said, those are very very fine instruments that are like going on exact spots on your skin. If you do this cowboy cauterization where you're lighting your stomach on fire doing some self arson, you're like taking one step forward by stopping the bleeding, but five steps back you know, have through degree burns. You're going to get infected. Even worse, you have dead tissue. It's just a really bad idea. And and even aside from from adding gunpowder, I mean I feel like there's John Wayne or you know old Westerns where they would like get a knife hot and in a fire and then then press it to the to the wound to to cauterize it seal up stop the bleeding. And it's also very very bad idea. Yeah. I think could be gist of sensors pieces don't do ship you see and move. Yeah, the other one is sucking snake venom. Right, this is very common Western trope. Um. I think the first example I found was from nineteen seven, in a novel called The Pearl, A mother sucks scorpion venom from a baby. That was just all the way uptien red Dead Redemption to a video game, the main character sucks cotton mouth venom from a stranger. This it's very common. This has been told of all. Yes, that's a good one happens there. That was like the first example I could find of this. So what, what's what? What's the story there? Tell people? The story typically the heroin stumbles upon somebody who's been bitten by a snake. They then get out their oversized knife um cut an x in it rapid turnikin above the snake wound too. I don't know why I prevented from spreading further in the body. Maybe that's the idea. And then they suck the venom out of the wound, really furiously spit that venom out right like like like dirt. Myth yep uh. The reality is you absolutely should not do that. The venom spreads so fast that there's no like getting the horse back in the barn. You're also like, say, this is a second party assisting you in this, You're just risking them then getting the venom in themselves as well. You shouldn't do it um And I've seen this sort of thing like these sort of this stuff is so prevalent, like I said before, that it's just like accepted, that's what you do. When I was in high school, I was working for a number of different farmers in the area. One guy did exclusively pigs, and we before shipping the pigs out, I think, to prevent shipping fever, which is just pneumonia, we would vaccinate the pigs with penicillin. And it's this really really chaotic scene when this is happening. It's too man job. One guy is in the stall that's probably the size of this room with dozens of pigs, the other guys running a gate letting the pigs in and out, and like if you imagine getting vaccinated like a toddler, it's a very delicate process, right where they stick the needle in and whatever. It's a very delicate thing. That's not the case with giving pigs penicillin. There's a big lot of stabbing going on. And once you vaccinate one of the pigs and the hip you spray paint them so you mark that you know this one's been done, right, it's it's just a lot of chaos and the pigs, the pig squill, etcetera. The one guy I was with and we were doing this something like that, but times times of thousand, times a thousand, the pigs are running there in between your legs stiff. The one guy was with swung down, he missed a pig, and he stabbed himself in the thigh and injected all in one motion, stuck himself inject himself with the penicillin. Whatever. We go out and the farm hand calls the farmer and he explains to him what happened. On one hand, right, he had stuck himself with penicillin, which is like, is that an antibiotic? So you stuck yourself with penision. On the other hand, this needle had been in hundreds of pigs, and this was peak swine flew time. Um. I was a junior in high school in two thousand nine, so that was like top of mind as well. He calls the farmer and he tells him what happens. Philip was the farm hand. Fred was a farmer. Philip tells Fred what happened, and there's a long pause and Fred thinks about it and he says, well, Philip, did you try to suck it out? As if that was a solution. So it's just prevalent stuff like that that makes it into you know, the psyche of everybody, and it's just like a solution to a problem. But it's not. Uh, And we don't just curse the darkness. We light a candle about telling you what you do do when he gets stung by a snake, zapped whatever you call it by a snake, and what you do do when you have a chump of shrapnel or bullet in you. So it's not all this negative Nancy. That's right. When Rambo had that wound, he should have been lighting himself on fire. He should have taking his headband out of his luscious locks and he used as a tourniquet. That would have been much more simple, much more effective. Uh, you're just saying something. Maybe you want to say something. I don't know, talking about food, Sam, I'll talk about food. Steve. Well, you know the way I've been pitching this to all my all my friends and and just everybody out there is like this is this is a book that's not It's not as much as Survival Guy it's just like how to be a how to be an outdoorsman outdoors person. Um. So you know in this in this food section, we start with what do you bring? Because typically when you're going outside, you just bringing damn food with you. Uh. And it's a lot more a lot more simple that way. I mean, obviously we're often going outside looking for food, but um, we still bring a lot of freeze ride ship with us as we go. So we we really break down just like how to be comfortable, how to enjoy it, um, including a section called ten ways the master the freeze dried Experience. Absolutely, and I think that's one tips on freeze dry. That's one of the most important. That's one of the most important tips out there, because if you can't enjoy free stride meals, you can't spend heck of a long time out outdoors. What do you carry with you in your backpack for free dry? Stick of butter? Oh? Sometimes, yeah, I like I like my butter. I bring a little to bring a little uh, a little bit of hot sauce with me, salt and pepper. All these hot tips are in here, all these hot including a section should you be buying all those supplements which we felt like we needed to address. And the answers no um and and you know, some of our you know, more kind of cozy homey stuff like bringing jerky and Smokey's and pepperoni sticks and you know, just how to have fun out there and and and and not get not get so sick of the same old bars that you that you don't want to eat them, and you're not putting enough calories. And you know, we also get into like how many calories you do need because you know, everybody, everybody knows from the nutritional labels on the back of a you know, can of beans or you know, bag of chips, that everybody has a two thousand needs a two thousand calorie diet. But that's just really not true. That's just that that's just an average of American adults. But you know, when you're when you're sitting around at home, you may need way less than that. But if you're climbing four thousand feet up a mountain, you're gonna need twice that much more than that. Even and sometimes like you can't cannot physically put enough calories in your body to replace what you've what you've burned through and so we do you know, some simple simple math there about how to how to consider what you bring with you, um, based on based on weight and caloric value UM. And uh, you know I talked to honest about about some of this stuff. You know, sample overnight packing packing list, sample five day packing list for you know, day hike packing list, just kind of some ideas to get you started based on what we do and what we've had success with and what we enjoy eating. UM. When we we uh, we get into the different types of stoves. Worked a lot with Ryan Callahan on that one. UM. You know, there there's a lot of different options out there, and you know from your pot belly wall tent stove to the little bitty uh alcohol stoves you can make out of a beer can chopped in half, um, and kind of some of the advantages and disadvantages. UM. And then after that we start, um, we kind of take a hard turn into food you can find. And so this is more in the survival section, like when she hits the fan, what what do you do? What? I mean, what what can you eat out there? That's always really the captivating part of any survival story is like what did they eat? Um? And you find out that people live on you know, have lived on lizards and eels and even certain types of berries for for long periods of time. UM. And this is where this chapter got away from you a little bit. I remember you asking me for about eight thousand words, and I think I turned in like thirty thousand because UM basically basically went through everything you can eat in the wild areas of North America. We had to condense that a little bit. On the food fruits and berries part. I worked with a friend of yours, Samuel Thayer, who's just oh the man when it comes to uh, wild plants. He's a UM. He's a foraging author and instructor and wild foods expert based in Wisconsin. And he was telling me we were talking on the phone, he goes survival camping. It's just like for for fun. He'll go out with nothing and just find shipped eat for a week. And I was like, that's pretty bad. He knows his ship, he knows the ship real well. So he helped me narrow it down to about about two dozen different plants like commonly widely available, easily identified wild plants without dead ringer killers. Absolutely, So it's like, well, it's got six lobes on the leaf that will kill you, but it's got five lobes, it's pretty tasty. We help you steer clear of the things that you're gonna screw up. Yeah, I mean, and this even helped me this this spring, a buddy and I were out looking for Morrel's and he's like, oh, this is this is wild onion. We pulled popped out the bulbs and and I was like, man, this isn't really look right. And and I had just written this section, and and he ate it and he's like, oh, that's a little sour, a little little tart um, And I was like thinking. I was like, man, isn't it There's something about flat, Like no the wild onion. Wild onions are supposed to be around stem, and this is flat. This is wild iris. And we're both eating one at this point, and I'm like, oh, we shouldn't have done that. Should we maybe make ourselves throw up? Should have read the book? Should have read the book? A huge section in here on like what's up with eating a all the common questions, what's up with eating the scump? What's up with you the possible? What's up with you the Kyle, what's up with eating a lizard? Somebody the alligator, like all the like, where's the meat, what's up with it, what to expect, what's gonna kill you? And also a little bit about like how to how to find it, how to get it, primitive, yeah, like how to pack for it, primitive methods. Even a gripping section on how to free your dog from traps because a lot of dog owners are tripped out often rightfully so, about traps, what to do in those situations, what the timelines look like, how to get your dog out of a trap. Should you be out hiking and something bad happens. Absolutely yeah, And I mean we when we go from you know, when when we're talking about when we get past the plants and talking about animals. Where we started in with shellfish, you know, crayfish, mollusks, crabs, bivalves, um, stuff. I grew up doing, you know, hopping tide pools and stuff. But you know, if you're in a you're in a coastal area, that's probably the best way to feed yourself. Then we get into fish. Obviously, I uh didn't didn't leave any stone unturned there, uh um. But you know there's there's a lot of cool, cool ways to uh to catch fish. I had just filmed a little video a couple of weeks ago with some of these tips that we have in here. I went and caught Brookie with a a piece of line and a stick. I chopped candy rapper for a lure, and then I made a little fire and spit it up and ate it and the whole the whole thing took about half an hour. So it's you know, obviously we drove there for with that specific thing in mind, but you know, it's some of these things are really doable. UM, fish traps, trot lines, set lines, fish spears, UM got we've got the you know, little emergency survival kid. I love this. We had Joe surm Melli. Um, we had Joseph Melly right this one about you know about what World War two pilots, how they had a they had a little survival kit in there, uh, a survival fishing kid in their survival kit. Um. And the stuff they would bring, uh you know, they're not bringing rap Paula's, they're not bringing anything fancy. But you know, a silver or gold spoon, it's pretty much all you need. But as I as I showed the other day, a bear hook with a little chunk of candy rapper works just just fine on brook trout. And uh, you know, we kind of work our way through from the from the easier stuff to catch kind of the less advanced animals into trickier and bigger things. We've got amphibians, we've got reptiles, lizards, turtles, crocodilians, birds. We spill a lot of ink on on the fool hen concept um in the bird section, which you know, any anywhere you go in the country, they've got something they call fool hen. It's it's not the same species everywhere, but you know, different types of grouse can be uh, it can be very easy, well relatively easy to to capture compared to other birds. The food chapter ends with my favorite section, which is called and lastly a few thoughts on cannibalism, and we lay that whole situation out if you make it that far, will you do it? What parts you might want to start eating on, and a little bit of the psychology of cannibalism and how that came around to We kIPS it around for a while and they were like, we have to talk about most people are gonna have to have a cocktail before they get into that little well I got. It just gets into like it gets into like so it sort of pulls the question, you know, like what what happens there? Uh? Chapter four Things that bite, mall stinger make you sick. It just covers the whole gamut. Uh starts out with all you know everything about plants, okay, thorny plants, cactuses, gets into insects, and a rachnids goes through biting flies. So it's everything like treating it, avoiding it, worst case scenarios, insect born pathogens gets into bees, wasps, hornets, jiggers, fire ants, on and on, a big big bunch of stuff about lyme disease, lone star ticks which take away your tolerance for meat, spiders, transla scorpions, all kinds of stuff on identify and avoiding. Gets into fish and reptiles like like jellyfish, sting rays, lion fish, how to deal with them. We had a big section from spear Fisherman on like what's up with great with sharks? A little bit of a breakdown on the four big offenders when it comes to sharks, what their behaviors, are like, what to do, how to tell when you might be in trouble with a shark, shark attack prevention, all kinds of stuff on snakes, gators, a lot of stuff on mammals, with particular focus on rodents and different kind of pathogens that are pasted there, how to avoid them, how to deal with porcupine quills, skunk bombs, rabbit fever, gets into hoof mammals, and then it gets into all this stuff we love to think about grizzlies and mountain lions and all that stuff, and wolves, and I'll tell you there's a little bit of buzz killing there when you start looking at the numbers and is it really something you ought to be spending upon buch time on if you do feel compelled to spend some time on thinking about it and preparing for it, what you should do? And we get real heavily into the old debate bear spray or pistols um, Stay tuned for that. Who wants to tackle shelter and warmth real quick? Yeah? Sure, um, exactly what it sounds like. You know, how you're gonna stay basically, how you're gonna stay dry, and how you're gonna stay warm because that you know, if you screw those two up, that's what's gonna kill you probably. Um. So, first of all, it's understanding weather and using every resource you can to to get a good as good at handle on the what the weather is going to be when you're out there as you can with with the the understanding that if you're going on an extended trip a week or two weeks and you're gonna be you know, away from civilization for for a while. At ten day forecast is only so useful, um, because they're in act. There's like inaccuracy is built into a ten day forecast to begin with. And in a lot of places, like the weather can be one way in one valley and the next valley over it's doing something completely different. So you just got to prepare for you know everything, Like out here in early September l hunting in Montana, it might be seventy five degrees, but the next day it could be you know, and there's a foot of snow on the ground. So getting a handle on the weather is the big thing. Um. Then you move into shelter and basically we go over uh different types of shelters, focusing on tents and all the different kinds of tents and sizes of tents, and how to pick the right tent for what you're doing. UM, you know, with the knowledge in mind that a three season tent is probably the most versatile. UM. And then just getting into two different types of tents within that, like backpacking tense family tents. You know how to use a tarp to create a shelter. We we you know, oftentimes when we're out in the field, we're setting up a little sun or rain or wind shelter with just just using a tarp. It's a soup like you can pack one of those things that's basically the size of your fist inside your backpack and always have some kind of shelter with you. Then we get into sleeping bags and choosing a sleeping bag synthetic versus down versus this new treated down that they have an understanding temperature ratings and sleeping bags, and and giving yourself a buffer. It's a good idea to always give yourself a buffer going a little let's sleep with a sleeping bag that's rated a little colder than what you expect to run into. UM. We got some more lists of tips and tricks like Steve was talking about for staying warm and drying comfy in there, um, and then we get into like campsites and picking and choosing a campsite preparing it, and after that we kind of get into the old school survival book uh idea of of building emergency shelters. Um. Starting out with stuff you can carry around like contractors, bags and tarps and things like that, and moving on to like just finding natural shelters like tree wells or digging a snow cave or building a lean to or like all that kind of stuff. And then we uh get into building fires. And that's a big section because a lot of times, uh, staying warm is gonna mean you have the ability to light and maintain a fire. So we have a long section in there on finding fire building materials and what you should be carrying to build a fire, like you know, bick lighters like were we all carry probably multiple bick lighters in our packs, but we also have backup systems like a firestick, magnesium fire sticks, all kinds of info on fires in their great good stuff in there. It's a good section. Um more skills. Have a question, do you are in there recommend that people practice Yeah, definitely. Yeah, different ways, especially under shitty conditions. You know. Yeah, like we've all been in Southeast Alaska. It's Steve's cabin where getting a fire started and a stove as hard. You know, how many of us have been on that trip where you like, you know, what you do the fire, I'm gonna go do X, Y and Z. Weever might be the other chores you need to get done. I'll get thirty minutes later you come back. Where's the fire, bro? So yeah, definitely practice us that ship. Like Remy Warren says when he's late season el cunting, he makes a little fire every time he sits down to glass. Yeah, yeah, just just you know, keep the keep the tool sharp. So that's pretty much that that chapter how to Stay dry and warm and uh navigation wilderness travel. One thing you'll find, like one thing we do in this book that no other book like this has is we have a lot of very up to date technical information about UM devices. So how do you use mapping apps, mapping software, how to use in reach devices. So instead of getting you know, we do cover all some of the old basic tricks about you know, celestial navigation and kind of a lot of such as interesting and good to know. But we also covered like just how to avoid trouble by using technology. Um, you can avoid a lot of trouble. I brought us up recently on a on A when I was talking to I was on Tim Ferris to show we're talking about the book, and I said that mcfee's trilogy on g apology animals of the Former World in it. He says, Um, if I could sum up this book in one sentence, it would be that the top of Mount Everest is made from marine limestone. Um. If I was gonna sum up this book in one sentence, I'd probably say, like on X and in reach, or get on X and in reach. It's like, there's a lot of things you can do today for very small amounts of money that, if done properly, can eliminate the chance of risk. I shouldn't say that damn near damn near eliminate chance. And even if something bad happens, those two things are gonna make getting out of it alive way way easier. They don't. They don't solve all your problems, But holy smokes man, a lot of times you read about people in trouble, you're like that dude should have had of this. Uh. We talked about spatial awareness in the navigation mindset, which is probably one of the best things you can give and talk about. Wilderness travel is just trying to develop spatial awareness strategy so you understand what's going on around you. Navigation tools, modern technology, old school woodsmanship, getting all that stuff, locator beacons that are used by mountaineers, to a radios, the capabilities of your own phone use as a GPS unit. Then we have a big thing navigating without electronics, so all that's not forgotten. Then we wind up going into different environments. Okay, so navigation wilderness travel mountain section, swamp section, desert section, all kinds of stuff about moving on snow and ice, including how to tell frozen rivers and lakes, how to assess ice conditions, what you're gonna expect when you're out on the ice. So this is one of those areas where it's just a lot of personal experience from people that worked on the book talking about like, hey man, if you're in the mountains, traveling in the mountains, here's tend things to keep in mind, like some things not to do, some things to do, and we lay all that out including you know a lot of old school tricks. We get into white water safety, boating safety, ocean safety, um and and again get into some like old school strategies around how to build flotation devices, how to survive in the water, how to survive in cold water, how long you have water rescues, all that stuff, and in a lot of packing lists, a lot of packing lists about wilderness travel. Who's gonna do medical and safety? The last one can do one thing I also add before I start, that is all these chapters um, like contrary or a lot of traditional survival books, um that kind of go with the primitive skill route like building like making a fire with a bow drill, or like like knitting some buckskins pants or whatever. Like we embrace like good gear like in every part of this this book, because good gear makes your life easier. And so you're gonna find throughout the book that we're gonna like call out ship that we use and stuff that we really like. Um So I just wanted to throw that in there too. Um So moving on to medical and safety, this is a big one. Um. It's it's I think people tend to and this goes back to Steve's kind of reality TV survival stuff that where things are tend to be overblown. Um, the ship that's gonna get you as not. It's probably not going to be the big ship. It's gonna be the little ship. It's gonna be a sprained ankle, it's gonna be vomiting because you've got some kind of gut problem. Things like that. Like that's what's really gonna screw you up in the outdoors. And if you're in a situation where you can't get out quickly, a sprained ankle can be really bad news, and the flu can be really bad news. So that that's how we kind of built This chapter is going off that kind of baseline. But this this chapter starts out with hygiene, like poor hygiene. Just talk to you, honest man. He's the hygiene the hygiene sheriff in camp. Usually what do you mean? I asked everybody if they're brushing their teeth and washing their hands and like, because like that's how you can get sick. It's called basic hygiene for dirtback. Yeah, exactly, Like, no one you're gonna be dirty, but trying to maintain a level of cleanliness that isn't gonna make you or other people that you're with sick. Well, you know, you know your kids. Ever watched Bob the Builder? Yep? His theme song is boots, belt hard and work. Like I hear that song getting sung in my house. Well, our ten year old I made him a song about how to shower. Um, it goes pits, button nuts, sat washed like Bob the Builder. Yes, button nuts, Yeah, washed like Bile the Builder, because like, I know, how get ten years old. It's like he's like going to the shower and he steps immediately out. What happens? I'm wet? Did it goes in? Just to confirm? Yeah, It's like how else would have you wet in there? Like three seconds ago? Dude? But there's ways to stay clean even if you don't have access to a shower. Um, and we go through all that, we go through pooping in the woods and how disgusting surface shitters are. Big section on that. UM have a little hygiene essentials kit, and then we move into the big one. First age. I gotta ask, how many different positions did you cover for pooping in the woods? Well, I think did we talk about this at some point? But stick the stick grabbing there and just the you know freestyle. Um. Yeah, yeah, we cover a little bit of stuff yea. So then we probably the best material ever written. I would say, probably the best thing I've written in the wood. Yeah. Granted there's a whole book on it, but we pair that down to just the info you need um medical um, first aid kits and or medical kits. Uh. Probably the biggest thing we learned before well, during the process of writing this book, the thing that we all weren't caring that we should have been caring is a tourniquet and that that goes back to our buddy Dr Alan Lazar. We had a whole podcast on that that you can listen to if you haven't. Did you hear about the life we saved? Yes, I mean to brag. Yes. A dude listened to the podcast and then was in a hunting accident shortly after saved his dad's life. His dad got shot and he had just listened to the podcast and did all the tourniquet ship and saved the guy's life. He said, you would have never have liked. That would not have been on his radar. But we go through, we go through everything you should have in your first aid kit with with the knowledge that like, these things aren't like static, Like we're constantly adjusting what we're carrying in our survival kit and what we're carrying in our first aid kits. But we go through the stuff that should always be in there, the stuff that you probably want to have in there, and stuff that you can move in and out of there according to your needs. Um and uh, you just have to like you got to make it a habit of carrying a first aid kit. I was just hunting with some buddies in Colorado like a month ago, and I was making fun of one of my buddies because he didn't carry a first aid kit, and sure ship the next day when he was skinning his buck, he stabbed himself in the leg. Was like, man, I should have been carrying a first aid kit. Um, if you don't have it, you're you're asking for trouble. Uh. Then we go into kind of just educating yourself on how to administer first aid. We go through all kinds of diagnosis information on like the things that are you're going to run into out there, for um, sprained ankles and gut problems to bruises and strains, too broken legs, to illnesses to heart attacks, two strokes, like basically everything that could could get you out there. We go through on everything on how to diagnose and potentially treat it if you're able to. Uh, it's pretty extensive all that stuff. So there's some real cool information on like accept assessing a dominant pain by quadrant and arterial pressure guides, like really good just first aid info throughout this thing. I think that's life. Yeah. Yeah, if you're gonna pay attention to one chapter in here, this is probably the one to pay attention to. Uh how much is that there? But I think it's twenty five retail right usually? Yeah, I want to go find out. Let me find out what says right here? I think actually for sale Amazon or something. Um, let's see nine steel Dude, I was five years old night uh oh, already listened as a best seller here. I don't know what the hell that means. That could be best listen by the DAYMN book. I don't even care if you want it, buy it and give it to someone. I'm just begging you. I don't like begging and pleading. It's got a kick ass cover on it, very durrible flexibining cover, so you can take it outside if you need to do me a favor and just buy the book. Please, It's all I'm asking. Please, I'm begging and pleading. Part two. Thank you everybody. Oh no, I have a closing statement. I know we're long over time, but I'm most surprised and none of you picked up on all this and want to add this because what what really to me sets this book apart. And I'll admit I have not read the whole thing, but I've heard this from people that have read the whole thing, is that it doesn't read like just a bunch of dry information. Everybody here that contributed like is very like good creative flowy um, like great stories in there that kind of black up all this information and personal anecdotes of you know, how they learned this stuff and how they could have known, you know, how they could have used the more information that's in this book now at that moment. And um, yeah, So it's like it's a good read. You're not gonna be it's not gonna put you to bed at night. You're probably gonna stay up wanting to read more. You'll lay there making this noise. You'd be like you're reading, you'd be like to your husband and be like, oh my god. You'd be like that's funny. And then you'd be like, holy cow, did you And then you'd be like, oh man, I had no like you'll be doing all night long. We have a lot of fun, Like my god, I gotta eat a copy of that book. We have a lot of fun with the survival guides of the past. How you know, they would have a diagram of a deer with like a bull's eye on its head, and like this is where you stab a deer and that's how you survived. And so we're kind of like, yeah, forget all that. You know, a squirrel might be a little bit better move for you right now. So everybody joining the fun. Oh, Leon Crane, the guy that got the I'll bring this full circle. Leon Crane, the guy that got uh in that plane it wrecked. Um spent days trying to kill a pine squirrel and couldn't do it. Tried everything, started walking and found a trapper shack. That's what saved him. And he knew he did some very good decision making about what direction he ought to walk based on topography. But yeah, he's like, oh, I just kill some pine squirrels. He said, he butout went mad. Start eating pine needles. That's gotta make your joy of the fun. Meet Eater. Guide to Wilderness Skills and Survival by a shipload Now why P says it's the best wildness Skills in survival book he's ever seen ever, by far. And he said, I bought ten already, I bought eleven already. Oh he just bought another one, all right, Thanks everybody,