00:00:00 Speaker 1: Oh hey everybody, it's me Ben O'Brien and we're back for Quarantine cast daily number. What do we got, Phil? Eight eight number eight, number eight. We've got my good friends Sam so Old. He was back and he kicked us off way back last week when times were different. And uh are the good friend Shane Dorian, big wave surfer, one of the best big wave surfers in the world, has done some amazing work in surfing, is a legend there, but also is one of more passionate bow hunters you'll ever meet. So we're gonna talk about our first trip to Lanni and how that went. It's a great conversation, so you enjoy it. But before we do all that, Phil, Um, how much toilet paper you have in your house? Right now? Um? Are you going to rob me tonight? What's happening here? I'm prepared to No, No, Phil, Please give me some credit. I have discovered an online toilet paper calculator called how much toilet paper dot com, and this tool calculates how much how long your stash of toilet paper will last during a quarantine. So I just want to help you as a public service to let you know, um, exactly what how it'll how it'll affect you. So go ahead and give me what did have you counted a number of rolls of toilet paper? You have? I just did because you said this might be a thing. Um, I am, You're ruining. You're ruining. I wanted people to think it was a surprise, Phil. Well, here's the thing I didn't. I think it'd be weird if if I just want to do off the top of my head, how many rolls of toilet paper were in my house. I wanted people to think you were prepared. Okay, Well I am, and I just want everyone to know that I have not bought toilet papers since this whole coronavirus thing started. Um, but I currently have twenty three rolls of toilet paper in my house. Three rolls. So you were hoarding before it was cool. I just happened to buy a tun of toilet paper right before everything all of the ship hit the fan, right right? It wasn't was it was a nice coincidence. What are the toilet visits per day per person in your home? I know you have a family of four, so what was this is getting personal? Now I have the number of the number two visits per day to the toilet. Okay, well, I'm not going to count the one year old. He's still wearing diapers. That's good. Let's man, you have your wife, yourself, and your child other child. Uh huh. And what about Mango? Does Mango you strow the paper or does he go in the yard. We've been trying to train Mango. She she she cannot. She does not have opposable thumbs. It's not going well. Well, let's I'm gonna say four. Let's say four. That's a healthy number. Well, I mean like four total, not for per person, all four per person, so one total per person a day. Well, i'd say like probably one for the adults and two for the the younger kid. I'm going to guess. Okay, so you I also don't track my my wife's val movements. So ah, well you should get to have a spreadsheet going okay, going forward? That to me, I'll use it as a template for myself. It's a yeah, it's a Google doc. We can all get in there together. All right, you're you drum roll please, there it is you're we were not going to put a rum roll in there. Uh, your toilet paper will last ninety two days. I've got I've got some time then. Yeah, so you've got roughly three months of toilet paper stashed away? Uh you so you were holding before hoarding was cool. So congratulations Phil. Do you do you know? What? Did you look? What kind you have? Is a three ply? Uh? Sharmon? You know it's sharmon. I don't know because they kind of I just they sell two kinds of charmon at Costco. One is like this one softer, but this one's stronger. And I think the stronger one was on sale, so I bought that. I don't know the apply, but I I know that it's it's it's hefty. Also, we we talked about this in the show, and we did talk about this website the show as well. But uh, bidats are on the rise, Phil, There's been a spike in bidet purchases across the country. You know, I've always been bidet curious, but I think I might have to pull the pull the trigger trigger. Yeah, So do do your research. There's a lot of options out there. And I've never I don't know that I've ever used a biday have you I have not? No, that's yeah, I've been. I you know, it's one of those things you first hear about it and you're like, oh, weird, gross, But then I don't know, you sit on it for a while pun pun intended, and you think, yeah, that's that's not that's not half bad. Idea might feel, might feel all right? All right, Well before that, that's enough of that talk, Phil, it's inappropriate, all of that's inappropriate. Let's just cut that out, cut that out of the show. Um, we have decided we have made a decision here, an official decision from the th HC Congress, the Board of Directors here at t HC. It's basically just me, um, that we're going to do this for another week. We were unsure how many weeks we would we would do the t a C Daily Quarantine Cast, but we've had so much good feedback, a lot of people have been writing in every day. There's so many hand turkeys flying in um that we feel like we can do this for another week. Keep everybody afloat, hopefully as this helps you through your time. So we're gonna this week and next week, so you roughly have if today's Wednesday, you roughly have eight more daily quarantine casts to take in before we go back to our regularly scheduled program here th HC. So just just a little public service announcement, that's what we plan to do. Of course, as with everything in the pandemic, things could always change. So for all of you that are out there in the many states that are on lockdown, uh, in the many countries that are on lockdown, We're gonna keep doing this UM for another eight eight episodes. Think you hang with us there, Phil for that long. I will be there also. You told me I have no choice. You absolutely have no choice. So Phil will hang on with us as long as I say, and we'll be here to do our best entertaining and tell your hunt stories until the end of next week all the way into April. So stick with us, but enjoy this one. Shane Dorian, Sam Sohol Quarantine Cast number eight. Hey Shane Dorian, good morning. I don't know if it's morning where you are, but good morning it's I don't know what it is. I'm I've been drinking white claw all day, so I'm not sure what time it is. Sam Sohol, how are you, sir? I'm doing great. Thanks for having me back on during the quarantine cast. The quarantines gas has been going. Well, we're still quarantined. Uh, Shane Dorian just told us he was at the beach, So tell us about that, Shane Dorian. Yeah, so there's a big, official statewide lockdown in Hawaii, which means you get to go surfing as much as you want. I'm not kidding, that's exactly what the governor said. So I love I love Hawaiians. Pretty pretty funny. But uh, yeah, so we've been to hold up of the house a bit more than usual, spending spending more time at home and spending a lot of time with the family and stuff. And but yeah, I just came from the beach. So surf was good, and I'm gonna do a podcast with you guys, and I'm gonna head back down. Well, thank you, that's awesome. Thank you for allowing us to be your break. Stay hydrated, Stay hydrated. Um so tell us Shane. Those of you that don't know Shane, uh, one of the best big wave surface of all time out of Hawaii, you can go back to listen to our podcast with him last year. So we'll take a quick moment for you to do that and we're back. Now you know everything about Shane you need to know it's Shane. Tell us a little bit about kind of like you're set up during your quarantine and what how your how your processing this and dealing with it. I think we already know, but give us more detail. Probably like most people out there, I you know, I think I think we're all spending more time in our homes and probably had to cancel a lot of things that we had planned. I had a bunch of you know, surf trips planned and you know, different things that I had scheduled during this time, and so all that just kind of got put on hold. And you know, this this thing is kind of radical because it doesn't really it doesn't care if you're a um, you know, like a homeless person or a or a U. S. Senator like UM. It seems like it's sort of affecting every single person on the planet at this point. If not right now, then it will be soon. So yeah, just spending more time with the family and UM. Luckily, the surf is pretty and crowded around where I live, so you're able to still surf and still keep keep your distance from other people. So that's kind of what I've been up to. But a lot of monopoly and board games and trying to exercise in my house and and not get too fat. How are the kiddos doing. They're good, man, Um, yeah, they're they're super good. My my daughter has been doing tons of arts and crafts and organized organizing and stuff like that, and and uh, me and my son had just been spending a lot of time in the water. So it's been good, good, good good. Uh. Sam, we checked it with through you last week, but give us an update. I'm assuming you're in where are you South Dakota? I am in North Dakota right now, yep. So I've just been kind of it's been crappy weather, so I've just kind of been like riding out the gray and uh, staying home. Being fairly productive so far, getting some much needed video editing work done before Turkey season starts. Texted, texted me all kind of memes. Yeah. I get bored and I come up with memes on my own. So I have been sharing those as I go. Um, you can't leave me by myself, like you know, locked up. I just come up with the most ridiculous ships. Sam, you have a lot of energy, dude, I remember that about you. M Yeah, it's it's it's it's it's a little bit strange that this this quarantine and and this time is uh is sort of coming when there's not really a hunting season. Is that right? It's yeah, it was if it was elk season, like all the all the public land would be closed. Greg, It's hard to say, like, uh, you know, states like Illinois have closed down some state parks and stuff, which you know a lot of people are up in arms about, but honestly, it's because they have to have a staff at a lot of those state parks and a lot of times there's like a big parking lot and they don't want people congregating. But it would be hard to say for like national forest you know, what do you do? I mean, it's not like most time when people go to the forest, they're attempting to stay away from other people. Um So I don't know. I don't know what would happen if there was. It's been it's been a big it's been a big issue in a big boon for state parks and national parks where there's facilities like they have that and employees that have to keep up those facilities. But as far as I know, national forests have kind of and and some of these more wilderness designated areas have been unaffected. And but it would be strange. We were talking about that yesterday, Shane, like, if this happened in September, what would it look like for US hunters. I just I have no way to know if we hopefully we don't have to worry about that on September turns we can be talking about this in the past. But it's a strange thing. Nonetheless, I think that I'm not sure. I don't know what you think, Shane, but I'm not sure I could leave my family for a long time right now and be be out of touch like I normally would when I'm hunting. Yeah, you know, it's definitely us a I think a time where it's it's kind of a no brainer to spend the time with the family. And I think any time where you have a a great excuse to to not go to work so much is a good time. And you know, if if you can, if you're in a position where you can spend more time with the family and it doesn't um take you to financial ruin, and then it's a good thing. So it's just it's a it is a weird time though. It's it's pretty crazy. I've never watched the news before. Dude, I never ever watched the news. I don't have television in my house, so every now and then I'll like open up like an app on my phone, like a news app, so I'll get my news. But it's strange to actually watch like CNN or Fox News, and it's it's pretty hilarious, dude, Like, um, I don't know, it's it's kind of shocking, like to watch those it's all it's not even news, it's just entertainment. So, um, I've been I've been watching a bit of news, stay and entertained. I've had a few rants on this daily podcast about the news and because say, I'm same as you, I don't watch it. I mean I just I never do. I don't have to see any value in it. And now that I'm trying to get informed, every time I turn around, I just get angry. Yeah, I don't know, Like Sean Hannity, what is he doing? Like how is he? He's amazing? It's so out there and so extreme and out of his mind that I love it. It's this pure entertainment. So I don't know. I mean if I actually want the news, I'll watch like BBC World News, and I think that's actual news. But Sean Hannity and and I mean most of the stuff that's on television is is basically just propaganda as far as I'm concerned, but it's it is, it's funny propaganda. So Sean Hannity is slowly turning into Donald Trump. I don't every time it like people get triggered when you say Donald Trump. But I've never I've never watched Sean Handity before, and I turned him on. I'm like, well, he's orange, and he's using all the same phrases, and he's got the same dictation and his addiction and like the way he talks his cadence, he sounds like Donald Trump. I was like, this guy slowly morphing into our president. Nobody noticed, Yeah, I just to google some pictures of him, and I would say that's correct. Google like google if if anybody has caught onto this, because he's slow, he's got like jet white teeth, and he's slowly becoming Trump. And I think probably that's probably on purpose. There's about ten thousand people listening to this podcast right now that are just up in arms, furious, throwing stuff at there, at their at you. Then you're you're you're just smashing. They're just huge handity supporters and handity fans. I'd like to court the handity vote here. Uh love it. I think the most interesting thing is to like watch both sides of it and see how like how far apart they are. It's unreal, like how divided and like the message like from each side. I mean you like kind of bring that back to the middle and you might get somewhere close to what we're actually looking at. It makes it much more fun, though how biased it is. You know, it's funny to watch and you just can't think. It's a game you can play with yourself. You can flip on CNN and then flip on Fox News and then go back and forth. Give it about ten minutes each to do that. If you do that for an hour, you immediately pass out from exhaustion. I've been doing that a lot lately. I'm sure I love it well like I've been when the news today, I turned it on before we we hit record here. Uh, a couple of things I saw. I just wanted to run by you guys, are you guys both good Sam, you were the first person to alert me that of the toilet paper shortages. This is like two weeks ago, I think. Uh so, right now there's been a spike in bidet perch. This isn't around the world, oh man, every two minutes, this company called bron Dells is selling a biday on Amazon every two minutes. They're about three thousand units per day. Uh So, if you're if you're out there and you like the days, you can go for that. But there's also a website called the Online toilet Paper Calculator how much toilet paper dot com a website created uh so you can calculate how long your stash of toilet paper will last during the corner see see this coronavirus is sparking innovation and and uh that's right. So nobody on the on this call is worried about their toilet paper stash. No, I'm I'm set. I'm good. I live in the wood, dude. My house is in the in the woods, so if I need to I'll just go go to the woods like I normally do when I'm bow hunting. Yep, you and you have a lot of those big like big different banana leaf trees and stuff. I probably said that wrong. You go out in the woods. So here in North Dakota, they just had an article out where like, you know, there's like quote unquote flushable wipes and they're not actually fleshable. So uh, like there was a photo of like this massive clog like that hanging from like a wire that they had to like use a giant snake in the sewer system to pull it out because the city had clogged the sewer system with non flushable wipes fleshable. Yeah, right, Yeah, he's on complete lockdown where you are you guys like going outside to shoot your bows or what? Sam? Uh, Yeah, we're not on complete lockdown in North Dakota. They haven't. They've shut down you know, bars and restaurants except for takeout, but everything else is open. And yeah, I would I would say the majority of people in this state are I should say majority. There's a lot of people not taking it very seriously and uh, you know, living life like they typically do. Like St. Patty's Day, the bars were absolutely packed downtown. Um, and then the next day they closed down bars and restaurants. So yeah, same same here. We're not completely locked down, but there you know we've spent there's so many places to go outside in Montana for sure that you know, no different than Hawaii, I'm sure, Shane, but you know, there's just really no excuse to go out and do anything like that. At this point. You can do a million things here, um without being anywhere near six ft from someone. So the the only issue here is the trailheads. Usually the trails aren't six ft wide, so when we go hiking, you kind of have to have a wide berth. But beyond that, everything's fine. In every restaurant. If we order to take out from a restaurant, man, they're the most grateful people that we have ever seen. When you spend money alone. I wonder, I wonder what, like how much like Uber eats and Postmates and like what has what's the percentage increase on that in the last two weeks? Yeah? Crazy, those businesses are crushing it. Door Dash, Yeah exactly. Well, you just here's the thing that struck me the most that I was reading about is like you look at some of the pollution coming out of China, major cities in China, major city like New York City. You know, they were showing infrared maps the heat zones for pollution and and it's almost it's I think it's down thirty. You can barely see it in those heat maps because nobody's out creating any um. Same thing with noise pollution. There, people can hear birds they've never heard before, they can hear sounds in these city scapes that they've never heard. So, I mean, we're just creating these completely new environments to to experience these these things in these places, which to me is a little freaky. So you're saying we're the problem, I'm not gonna say it, and the solution all at the same time we were. We already got those handy people up in arms. Now they think that we're environmentalists. Yeah, people can think what they want it. We're all out here trying to pret act what we all love to do. That's right, that's right. Well, beyond the toilet paper and all that stuff, I wanted to tell a hunting story because uh, that's better than anything right now. Hunting stories can be can be some sort of medicine. And it all starts. I'm gonna try to play this video and if it all starts with a video that was created by myself and Joe Rogan and and John Dudley in Vegas. Right in Vegas. I have the video. We'll see if you guys can hear it. Um, I'm not sure how to make that happen, but I'm gonna put it. I'll put it up to the screen so you can hear it. Dan Dorrian, we're looking to come to Hawaii and experience access deer hunting on the night. Definitely, Yeah, yeah, I wanted to do it. The plan is six am, that's deer whacking to until we fall asleep. Food and are you big? That last scream was me? That was me? So I went a little deep on the tequila that evening in Vegas. So that's where this this, I guess this hunting story kind of starts at me. Rogan Dudley, were you at that dinner? Sam? I was, Yeah, I think so actually, And I'm guessing that's not during Soaber October. No, that was a blackout January. You know I would know I was not at that dinner that time. That was blackout January. Uh. We we went to dinner with I believe under Armour took us to dinner and Vegas at shot Show and the Great and Powerful Andy Stump. If you guys don't know Andy Stump, he was just doing podcast the other day. Um, he's a crazy person, former Navy seal bass jumper, crazy individual. He cray just the dinner and gets and just orders I don't know how many batles of tequila and passed shots around and next thing I know, I'm screaming in a video to Shane Dorian about how much it is that I want to come to Luna and hunt access to here. Um, do you have any recollections on that, Shane? I do. I remember getting that voicemail and uh is the next day and I never checked my voicemails, but I checked my voicemail, and I remember cracking up and just calling you guys, just tripping out. And I talked to Joe and he was he was fired up. But yeah, it was. It was a classic because you know, we we had sort of talked about that before, but that was the first time I kind of took you guys seriously that you guys really had it in your minds where you wanted to come to Hawaii and go bow hunting for deer. Yeah, because we had this is after we had hunted New Zealand, right Shane, and you had told me all about Lena I when we were down hunting South Island, New Zealand and the Alps, and you kind of explain how cool it was and that we needed to get over there and kind of that it was this idyllic situation with all these uh, non native deer running around and the best bill hunting opportunities you could ever think of. And and you know that's a couple six eight months later, we're all drunk and we decided that this has to happen. And uh, when did you first hear about it? Saying? Did I call you and say take some photos of us? Yeah? Exactly. I. Uh you called me up and you're like, hey, we've got a big group of people going over to Hawaii to hunt access dear, and uh, if you want, you can buy a hunting license. And I was like, yeah, I'll be there. Like I could not say yes fast enough As a photographer. Sam's one weakness is that like I'll pay you five dollars and then you can hunt and that's your and he's like, yes, yeah, soul. See the problem with I mean, probably not a problem, but I do get the question a lot, like you know, um if you could choose between either having a gun or a bow or a camera in your hand, what would you choose. And I'm always going to choose the weapon. And every time I shoot photos so I can hunt more, not the other way around. So yeah, whenever I would call saying be like, hey man, you know we're going on a trip. We're doing it. I love to come take some photos. If I could get him a tag, I could also get an give myself a discount on the on the photography rates. That's why I love you, Sammy. Um Well, the first time we ever got that trip with Rogan up in BC, I was like, we need to come back and I want to have a tag and I remember you going, Now that's the kind of photographer I want in camp. Yeah. I don't want to say riding on the sidelines. Yeah man, um so, Shane, you want to give everybody a rundown on Lanai the island kind of uh, the same kind of the hype explanation you gave me when we we were hunting together that got us so excited about it. Yeah. I think I just kind of kind of probably overhyped it at the time to you guys, But you know, at the at the time, you know, and that was a little bit of a different time. But at the time, I was going over till an I three or four times a year. And and I have really a couple of really good friends that live there full time that are um Lanai residents, and they just it's the only place in Hawaii that has um like legally broken up areas for archery that you can get a tag um you know, that's good for the whole year. Like you can basically hunt three and sixty five days a year there with your bow. And there's a lot of great archery opportunities there, and um it's fun to be able to share that with friends. And there's a lot of deer. There's high, high numbers of deer, so many in fact, that they need to call the deer a lot. So um So it's just a lot of fun to bow hunt because there's not really a limit and you can just have a blast and um so I just wanted you guys to come experience it. And then um just you know, hunting, hunting access deer and and and for me, they're they're they're probably one of my very favorite animals to hunt. They're incredibly challenging and incredibly delicious and beautiful creatures. And to experience them in the rut and to see those big bucks screaming their heads off and fighting and um, they're just a blast a hunt and really hard make you want to make you want to buy a gun if you hunt them with a bow. Yeah, And it's it's one of those situations one eyes, definitely. It's a ninety thousand acre island. Um, but you're hunting kind of that. We're hunting in the center of the island. There's a big flat plane. It looks like a botanical garden. I think Sam one time described it to me, and they call it the Serengetti. Is that right? Is it the Serengetti something like that. Yeah, they call it the Serengetti. And it's just it's it's it's full. I don't know how many deer per square yard there's, but there's thousands of deer. There's thousands of deer. I mean, you can't you can't walk ten feet without spooking. A year about what happens when you spook one deer they all run to the water and swim to the mainland. Sounds really easy. The way you're you're the way you're explaining it. And if you don't set foot in there, if you just pull up on the side of the road and you glass it, you just go. That's got to be the easiest hunt in the world. And if you have a rifle in your hand, I think it is. So I would like to use a coronavirus analogy in comparison to scaring one axis dear. So each access dear that you scare will scare on average three to five other access dear, and as they run away, those three to five also scare three to five. And all of a sudden you have five hundred to a thousand deer running away making a very shrill, high pitched like sound back at you, which is just a man, it's just really like a just f you, which is kind of funny and awesome at the same time. Give it to a same Alright, so I've been I should have been practicing before this. I had it down when I was on on the island. But uh so the scared access to your sounds like this. They barked at you, right, So yeah, yeah, so they call their you know, when they're in the rut, they roar um, and then me to do that one too. Yeah, go for it. How coolder though, when you can when you're just sitting there and you're kind of like in the middle of the day and you're kind of sitting there eating your sandwich, and all of a sudden you hear that like hundred yards away in you're just like instantly in like stock mode where you just thought there was nothing for miles and it's just I don't know, okay boy, on a scale of one to ten, as like between all your hunting experiences collectively hunting access deer in Hawaii on a scale of one to tend, factoring in like the challenge, the meat quality, the the super fun times socially with friends, and like just the as far as like having a blast bow hunting for deer. Yeah, I mean I last based on my last time there, uh a nine point nine. Yeah, I mean it's a it's well, it's definitely over a nine. That hunt is you just it's you can't describe how good it is. And and you know, it's just like you said, Shane, when you if you were to look across that landscape, you would think, oh, there's a simple hunt. It's a it's flat as a pancake, but there's a lot of uh flora, there's a lot of cover to belly crawl to get down to get close. Um. But there's so many deer and they're so on edge. They've trained that way in their native ranges of India by Bengal tigers, and it's it baked in their genetics to be spooky, probably the spooky's animal I've ever hunted. And it's not even close. But if you would, if you would, just like imagine Sam's analogy of like a virus spreading one dear spooks and next thing you know, it's over and you have to sit there and sadly watch I don't know how many groups of like hundred deer I well, I sat and just sadly watched runoff who knows countless well. And it's and it's funny because when when you're bow hunting in there, and I've I've bow hunted there with no group where it was just me a lot of times, and I went from like being able to glass literally at one time deer at once, like from from one place where I was standing, I was glassinger, and within fifteen minutes there wasn't a single deer there because I spooked them all, you know, like just one one bunch, spooked like four more bunches, and they all just kept spooking all the way until there was like basically none left in that whole zone, and I just there's just going what And of course there were still deer in there, but it was just amazing how fast they can it can go from they're all out there frolicking and feeding, two they're all running full speed like they got shot out of a cannon. I know, you could go in a week long mule deer hunt and not smook spook a mule deer like I've done that. You want mule deer for five or six days and not spook one or spook of just a few here and there, And you have to deal with that as like a failure. What what access you're hunting is, especially on one eye, is just successive failing failure than another failure, than another failure, than another failure, and eventually you get lucky enough to put an arrow in one um and it's a huge thing. But I remember the first time I went out there, I didn't know how long did belly crawl but I felt like, well, if I just keep belly crawl in this direction, if I just stay, if I just plant my ass in the red dirt, and I stayed, and I just crawled south with the wind in my face, I'll eventually come on a good shot. But that almost never happens. Can you imagine living there full time and having like a normal, say like a nine to five or like a normal, a normal job where like you get off work and you can go bow hunt deer every single day, three sixty five days a year and almost guaranteed get under fifty yards of a deer every single day of your life and have no limit as far as and they just be yeah, and you have Bob. We'll talk about Bob the butcher. We should imagine how how crazy you're you're like learning curve acceleration would be as a bow hunter. They think of the amount of experience and and and interactions with deer and like actual great opportunities of drawing your bow back and like you know, picking a spot and going through your whole shot process and belly crawling and learning when to draw and all that stuff, Like how how how much experience? Like it's arguable that like Jason Madaros is a really good friend of mine who lives on the Nai, who basically bow hunts probably five days a week for the last thirty years. It's it's it's it's like realistic to think that he's probably bow hunted more than almost anyone on Earth. Um, there's not very many people who have probably bow hunted as much as him, and he probably has more experience than most people do in their whole lives, you know, in in like a in like a two year period. Yeah, breta j Um, Yeah, you're right about that. And and the other thing is it's it's spot and stock bow hunting for sure, but it's also if you can learn that animal and kind of pattern the unpatternable and in terms of how many do you there are and where they're going to be and where you need to be where the winds gonna be predominantly because you're dealing with you like winds off the ocean. Um. That is that's a next that's a skill that can be transferred almost anywhere, in my opinion, just just that it just measuring a mule deer or an elk or a fallow deer or any other thing that you and I have ever hunted, Shane, measuring that against an access to here, You're gonna be better. It's like lifting weights, You're gonna be stronger, and it's everything else is gonna feel lighter. Yeah, that's what I love about them. That's what I love about them is is every time I I hunt them, even if I'm unsuccessful, I feel like I've gotten better. Just because you have, you get a lot of opportunities. Even if you blow those opportunities, you get a ton of opportunities, Like you could go mule deer hunting for a week and just get a bunch of exercise, you know. And I love mule deer hunting. I love mule deer like they're right at the top of my list. But there there, there's there's times where you go for days where you just feel like all you did was hike from ridge to ridge in glass you know, Yeah, which is not that bad either, But it is fun to get tons of opportunities. Yeah, that's it's And and I know Joe Rogan has said on his podcast and stuff he's talked about before, like it's a great practice and people he's told me that people give him a lot of shit about that, because you're what you want to be practicing. But he doesn't mean practicing killing things. He means practicing the art of spot and stock big game hunting and know and when to draw, when to shoot, what to do. I mean, there's no like you said, the amount of opportunity that you run into provides for the ultimate training. Um. And that's just a fact that the fact of how it is. It reminds me a lot of spotting stock antelope hunting, but like tenfold. Yeah, And it's just to be able to like be like like you guys are saying, like just to be on stocks all day every day, Like you just start to learn and pick stuff up and do different stuff like the whole way through, and you get better. You get better every single time you're out there. That's right. So do you shange? You remember that first time I remember gathering at the condo, was there on the island. It was Dudley, Me, you, Sam, Joe and Joe I think was the whole crew that time. Um, I didn't know what to expect. I have a story of making the best shot of my life that was almost as silly. It was as much luck as it was the determination, But I had I personally had been practicing in my backyard in Texas at eighty yards every night, go out and shoot the sulks target at eighty yards every night, boom boom boom. And I felt pretty good about going into it after what you had said, you know, about the opportunities, about how hard it was, and I was pretty pumped up. Like with our crew, I knew that you know, with your your experience on the island with you know, anybody knows who John Dudley is. He's one of the best uh bow shots that you're gonna find. And and here we were trying to trying to accomplish this, and I didn't want to mess it up. So I've been practicing my ass off and I was kind of it was I was pretty nervous going into it. Well you remember that Shane kind of like how we can how we were gonna attack this first hont Yeah. I remember, just you know, really wanting you guys to have a lot of transparency to what you were getting into. You know, like every time I go hunting somewhere i've never been before, or hunting an animal I've never hunted before, I want to know everything like I don't know about the terrain, what kind of boots I need to use, what kind of kind of clothes to bring, like whether it's like a cold weather hunt, whether I need to bring rain gear, like what kind of pack I want? Details? So I try to be really transparent and you know exactly what to expect. And I was like, dude, it's gonna be hot, it's gonna trap loads of animals, and it's gonna be hard as hell. So if you can shoot sixty yards and you can belly crawl, you're gonna get a lot of opportunities. So, um, I remember, just it's really a simple hunt. It just it's really really challenging, and you've got to be able to stay super low, goes super slow, and it helps, It helps so much if you can shoot. For Yeah, at the first that we went out, it was me and you together. I remember the first time I got to hunt, and it was it was an education just there you immediately we got out of the truck and walk like twenty yards into the into the bushes, and you already had your face max up and you were on your hands and knees and I was looking around him, like, um, what are you doing, man, do you want to glass a little bit? You want to look around, Let's maybe like check the wind, and you were just I look up and you were just crawling off in one direction. Okay, man, I guess I'll do that. They're everywhere. They're everywhere. Get down, get like a war zone in there, dude. They're they're literally and they're kind of smaller animals in the grass. It's kind of tall, and so they hied really well. And it's not like Mulder where like you're like, hey, there's a buck in two doughs, or there's three bucks right there. It's like, you know, like with access here, if you see five, there's probably you know. Yeah, it's hard for me. I don't know about you, guys. I don't Sam, I don't know about you. But it's hard for me to remember specific stocks from those hunts because there's so many. I just remember, like remember like a series of failures when Shane was there, but I don't remember specific like oh, this book, he looked like this and he was doing trying to say it was that my fault. That there was a lot of was there. But I remember Ship, I remember you saying like we should split up. I'm always saying that, dude, Yeah, I know, I know it. So being being the photographer, like obviously there were so many stocks like when I was shooting photos of somebody else that a lot of those like kind of all blurred together. But because I had so limited time like to hunt for myself, I definitely remember those more clearly because I wasn't doing it, you know, for the full five days or whatever. But uh yeah, like, well it helps that I have all the pictures, you know, to go back through and check it all out to give us, say, before we get into mine, give us you. You're kind of your first access to her on the n I kill. Yeah, so, um, you and I were hunting together and yeah, maybe you don't remember that, um, so it was I don't know. I think it was the third day of that first year. And there's like a big flat um that they dropped us off on and basically there's a road that like on the south side of the road, it's kind of like shorter shrubbery um and that first year it was actually really short and there was like a few tall bushes here and there. Um. But to the north of that road was like I remember Remy Warren saying, like in those trees is infinity deer um. But every night they would come out of the trees and cross that road and go into this this you know, lower stuff to go eat. And you and I um got dropped off and we were a little bit late, and so the deer were already starting to pile out of that. And we snuck down and got kind of behind this big bush. And there were a few that were coming out across the road and they were going to walk semi close to us, and you were like, hey, man, I just go for it. So I got on my belly and I crawled sixty seventy yards to the next bush, and um, they were still moving kind of like quartering to us. And I was stayed on my belly and got another fifty sixty yards to like just really tiny bushes. And there was a really big buck at like seventy five yards, and but he was kind of moving through the brush. And there was a good buck at fifty two yards, but he was facing straight away from me. And but I knew I could get in position and get like settled in and draw back when he turned the right direction. So I just forgot about this giant buck you know, thirty two in access deer and put all my focus into this other deer and finally he turned, I drew back, shot, made a good shot. He ran I don't know, seventy yards and died and you came over and we're walking over to find him, and Alec called us our guide and uh, he you shot the wrong one. It's like that other one was very bigger and so uh uh let just a tiny bit of the wind out of the sales in my first ever access to here. But like still, like I laugh about it to this day, Like just he could not figure out why I would have taken the shot on a smaller buck um, even though it was the shot that I had. But yeah, like I mean, just happened to make the right moves at the right time and didn't scare him before I got the shot off. It was great for me sitting back and watching that because you killed the following year, I think it's the following the year after whatever. The next time we went, you killed a deer and and almost nearly the same spot, like maybe I mean probably a hundred yards from where I killed that first year. Yeah, I mean, you could have seen each year, you know, and so I remember that being funny in the second one, but for this one, I just got to sit there and watch this all go down. And I was thinking the same thing. If I was being honest, I'm like, oh, he's gonna get that. He's gonna take a shot, that big one. He's so all. You gotta just crawl the next bush. You know. You couldn't at this point, and I just want to be like say, I'm just crawl left, go left, and I couldn't move, Yeah, And I appreciate it, Like when you you told me the story, like I just couldn't. From my angle, I thought for sure you were just gonna keep crawling. Yeah, But when you stood up and shot that, dear, I couldn't have been more excited, because I know, um, I had already killed a buck at that point, but I knew um from everyone else in camp how hard that was. And that was like that was your first attempt, right, your first stock. It was actually my second, um and the but the first attempt, I'll be honest, I shoulder punched one, did not get him. Oh yeah, I remember that now. That was like a thirty five second stock. Like you just like threw me out of the pickup and I basically sprinted as hard as I could to get in position, and he, uh, you know, they're fast, so they whirled around and I didn't, I didn't make it happen. Yeah, but I mean, it's it's to the point where these things have the quick twitch muscle of its other worldly and so you know, I've had you and I well, I guess we'll tell the story later on of of my uh, of my shot. What did I say to saying bomb bomb city? I shot? I shot at this this dough probably like forty yards or are less, and she duck my air like it wasn't even a problem. I've never seen anything like it. And you know, of course I yelled bomb city as I let it go. M have been the problem. That might have been the problem. But yeah, Sam gets his first buck and it was a nice it was a really nice stag. I found out earlier last week when I was talking to Callahan about access to here that it's it actually is stagg and dough. Uh, And that's that's actually the nomenclature. So anyways, stagging dough. But you well, I walked up with your tack. I'm like, to me, that's a giant. I'm no, I'm no uh expert with access to hear but the one you killed was a wall hanger to me. Oh yeah, he's a cool, super dark horned buck. I mean I could. I'm still proud of him. Yes, And I got so. I guess I could tell mine now, like, because I think I was had just been with Shane, and Shane, as he said earlier, always wants to split up. He's like, let's always split up. You go this way that way? Um. I think this was the afternoon of the first day, and I had missed, uh, an easy shot on a small buck, about a thirty nine yard shot on a buck. Had no idea I was there. I had snuck up on this little berm. He was right below me. I stood up the draw. He didn't see me. Other deer had run, but he didn't see me, and I just shot right over his back and there was no reason for me to have missed. I was really dejected. I wasn't really used to missing like that. Um. But as Shane said, like you turned her. I turned. I remember flipping around on the berm and looking out to the east and there was a thousand deer there. I had just shot and missed one, and I turned around and there's a bunch of other deers just feeding. So I got crawled back down, uh and started belly crawling towards them, you know, in that nuclear red dirt of Lanai that just covers everything. I still have a Matthew's bow that has I put black hockey tape on the grip, and that hockey tape is red, like bright red. I still have pants that the knees are stained bright red from the Leni dirt. And so you have crawling up. I got there's a group of probably a hundred deer with a giant buck in the middle, and then some satellite bucks around our stags around. I keep saying bucks with its stags. So I'm belly crawling and I get to as you guys will know, you get to a spot and you can confer the shame where you get to like a zone where you can make no mistakes within like a hundred yards of of a group of axes. There's no mistakes to be made, right, Yeah, definitely. And so I get to that zone and I pick out a buck that I know I can make a move on, so I start crawling. I get to probably seventy yards of this buck, and I looked to my right and here is access though about the step on me, so I just kind of like rolled over. She she jumps and does the give me a quick uh blow there a bark there, Sam there it is. That's what she did. And she goes running off towards the buck and stands right with the bucks. So now he's looking in my direction. So I laid there for I don't know how long. It felt like twenty minutes, probably way less than that. I lay there, I get my bonos up, I look and there's seventy deer staring right at me. So I'm like, well, there's nothing I can do. I'm stuck right here. So I lay there for I don't know how long it was. It was a pretty good while trying to get them to calm down, but you know, access to her, they still hadn't calm. Like the back half of the group started to calm and go back to feeding and kind of do their normal movements. Because I was feeling pretty good, and I got up on a little spot where I could draw easily from my knees without having to do anything, and this nice buck I had been practicing at eighty yards at a broadside elk for I don't know, eight months prior to this hunt. For this exact moment. This the buck I had been watching, stands up on a little mound and starts watching some does chasing each other the opposite of my direction. So now he's standing on broadside looking the opposite way. So I draw, and like, this is it, man, it's eighty one yards. I draw. This is what I've been practicing. I draw, I settle my pen. I feel perfect about it, no doubts. I let that thing fly. I watch it, you know, eight yard shot you can watch in the air for quite a while. I watched it in the air. He doesn't twitch, he doesn't move, and it drops perfectly behind his shoulder, and he runs off into this cloud out of dust, red dust and access dear, and I get to a point where I can't see anything. It's chaos, like there's deer growing every which direction. I probably could have shot shot at another two or three deer during the chaos, and I hear some kicking in some brush movements, so I just kind of walk over towards that and I turned the corner and there lays this buck dead. He must have went twenty yards. I shot him right in the hart. Um. I never wished that somebody was with me more than that moment. That's awesome. I was like, I remember just thinking, how is nobody here to see this? Such a dick Shane Shade made me go by myself, so I was alone. And I remember one of the other guys, Brandon, was watching me from the truck and saw me shoot and drove his truck over to where the buck was and he's like, you know, how long was that shot? And I said, I don't know. I think it was eighty some yards and he couldn't believe it. He was losing his mind. He saw how far when he's thinking, well, it basically just fell right over And I'm like, I know, I'm shocked as you. I was confident in the shot, but you're never confident in the result, especially this early on. Um. I'll never I would just I'm sure I will never duplicate that. I'm sure of it, but you can try. I can try. And that was my first first experience with access to here. Hell, yes, I love it. I love it. I remember that, I remember getting the photograph of you and just being so psyched, going yeah, manny, and I was screaming nobody. I was alone. I was just screaming like, yeah, yes, I did it. And that's that's an accomplishment. Man. Any deer, any access to here with a bow, you know, is and there they are so much that goes into it, and so many little tiny things that can go wrong, any number of things, you know, and they tend to really move a lot when when they hear any kind of like the string dump or like anything at all, you know, like I've I've gotten busted doing everything like drawing up my my my bow back, if my if my cams were had too much dust in them, and they did a little walk as I was drawing back, or if if there was if there was like the little little thing on your rest, the little piece of whatever it is that keeps it quiet, and that you know, that thing was wearing out a couple different times, and I got busted just going just like drawing back, and they went like that and they just all of them ran or all of them started barking at me. So, I mean, anytime you get an arrow through an access here, it's a it's a win. Yeah, at that moment, I'm sure saying it was the same way. Like, I just didn't know what I didn't know. I didn't doesn't like the grab store. I was wondering whose dog that was. That's the quarantine cast for you. I always have my kid comes in and a Batman mask every twenty minutes. That's the quarantine cast. It's that's all we got. Um. But yeah, I mean I didn't know what I didn't know. I didn't know how incredibly fortunate I had been in that scenario, um until the next year, when I just I don't know how many deer I missed. Luckily, I didn't wound anything, but I just had Like I just was so mentally out of it by the end of that trip that then I appreciated what I had accomplished the year prior to that. You know, So it takes some time. I know change you had so much experience with him, But it took me some time to realize exactly how hard this is, the very ability of success, um, what it meant to get into the right position to have it all go the way you needed to, you know, and how rare that is for for even an average bow hunter. Um, that's some wady with an average skill set, and and only if you've never done it, what what that really feels like? Can you remember the first time go over there? Um? Yeah I can. Um, I remember the first time I ever went over there. I went to Lanai and I had been talking with um Jason Maderos on the phone, and I had seen a bunch of photographs of him with a bunch of deer and um. One day, uh, you know, I had some guys come to my house to do to do. They were they were doing some painting on the outside of my house and I started talking to one of the painters and we started talking. I had and I had a bunch of ram skulls outside in the garage, and he was talking to me about the ram skulls. And it turns out he was a hunter. And he was like, man, you gotta link up with my with with with my cousin Jason. He lives on Lanai and he's a he's a hardcore bow hunter, Jason Maderos. And and I said, yeah, man, I know exactly who that is. Hooked me up, I'll go over there for sure. So he gets Jason on the phone. We start chatting on the phone and he says, yeah, man, you should come visit anytime you want. So about a month later, I jumped on a plane to Lanai, and Um Jason picked me up, and I had no idea what to expect. I went and got my tag, my license thing, and and we walked into the field in a public hunting area and he put me like in this little brush blind that he had built, and it was just basically it was like a five gallon bucket on the ground and then like some some brush, like I was brushed into this blind and in front of me it was like a kind of like a road basically like a like a dirt like a like a dirt pat, like a long dirt dirt patch you could drive along. Um, and he said, you know, if you get really lucky, the deer will come out before dark. Like there's hundreds of deer in these in these bushes across from you. And so he sat in a blind that was like maybe eight yards just up that you know, a little dirt road from me, and um, so I'm sitting there and I'm the whole time, I'm so paranoid. It's like I was so excited um and uh, and every little like you know, leaf that would drop, and every little thing that was happening. I was like, is that one? Is that one? Is that one? For like for an hour straight and and and nothing came out. Nothing came out, and nothing came out. And the whole time I was pinned, just like looking at everything like can I need be ready? I need to be ready. I have my my bow at the ready and my arrow knocked. I had my release on because he's like, dude, you gotta be really ready. All of a sudden, I'll just appear. So the whole time I was just like totally ready. And I swear I must have looked down for like three seconds, no joke, Like I was like looking down and looking up, looking down and looking up. Just like I looked down. I look up and about fifteen yards away there's this monster buck. And I'm talking a monster buck. I'll send you a picture of it. Then, and he was standing there looking right at me, at fifteen yards away with a wide open I never saw him come out of the bushes, I never heard him going down a trail. Nothing. He just appeared in the wide open and I'm sitting there in a bush that wasn't really super brushed in, and I was like, hey, I need to draw and needed drawn, and he like looked at me and he put his head kind of down halfway and started walking straight towards me. It took like three steps. Then he's like at twelve yards and I was like, oh my god, even if I started drawing back, he's gonna run. He's gonna hear him, he's gonna see me. Something's going on. And so I had I had a um an open spot to shoot, like a shooting lane in the in the brush, and then there was like a thick thing a brush in the middle, and then a shooting lane to my right. And he turned and the whole time he was super suspicious. He was like looking at me like this as he was walking super slow, and I was just like this, like with a face mask. I was totally brushed in, and I was like, as soon as he goes right behind that middle thing a brush, I have to draw and the whole and I like, as he went behind it, I closed my eyes and drew as smooth as I could. And the whole time I was like getting my anchor. I had my eyes closed and then I opened my eyes and I was like, he's gonna be gone. He's gonna be gone, He's gonna be gone. I opened my eyes and I saw his feet, his his legs coming on the other side of the brush, and then he just stopped and he just was looking at me in the blind, and I remember just thinking, hey, don't rush the shot, don't don't rush the shot. And he was at like maybe ten yards nine yards and I put my first pin. He was looking right at me. I put my first pin like right here, and I released that arrow, and that buck just hit the dirt like this, like like someone just took the rug out from underneath him and he just hit the dirt. And Jason Madarros, who I just met like an hour and a half earlier, I had never met him in real life. He just come flying out of his blind, running full speed at me and did like a flying hug. And it was so excited, and his monster buck on the ground and public land and it was just it was probably the still probably the most excited I've ever been hunting. And I'll never forget it. Well, if anybody knows Shane, you know, I remember that first time. We would all be like Shane, We're going back for lunch with Like I have a text thread a Shane, We're gonna go back and get it a burger and then come back for lunch and shall be like, no, I'm good, leave me out here amongst them. I was going to describe my the first year down there as a photographer. I was, you know, supposed to go like on a hunt at least with every person on the trip. Never did go with Shane. I was supposed to meet up with him several different either mornings or afternoons, and He's like, I'm gonna go by myself this morning and then we'll just never come out of the field and I would see him at night and that was it. It was awesome. I was like like just like even when we did that podcast with Joe, the whole time you could tell you was like, oh, this is just this. We're wasting hunting time and I hate it. Why are we not in the field. We need to be stalking something, dude, I I you know, I mean I don't have deer where I live. Like the hunting where I live can be pretty good, but it's like pigs and goats and some sheep and I don't have deer where I live, so I have like a real fascination, um about deer. And so when I get the opportunity to go somewhere like that, especially where we were hunting, we were hunting on private ground and and you know, we had the place to ourselves, even though we had a big bunch of us. That is the pinnacle of access to your hunting, as far as my understanding of it is. And like the places like created for bow hunting, it was like someone designed the whole place for spot and stalk bow hunting, for access to dear And so for me, I've had such so many blown stocks, so many missed shots, so many lost deer, so many so many ups and downs and emotional roller coasters where I walked out of the out of the field at the end of the day with like no arrows and like a deflated ego. And and so every chance, every minute of hunting time I get, I want to try and make the most of it. Um, you know what that's about. It's it's I know you explained it like that's the reason why. But every time I'm hunted with you, you're like that. And I remember saying that to somebody. Even after we got back from New Zealand. The first time we went down there, I'm like, I met this guy I didn't know about who. I knew he was a big wave surfer, and then he'd done a lot of things. Then I started to find out some of the things he had done in his life and what he'd accomplished, and where he where he was at, particularly in his journey, and to see somebody his accomplishes, you, Shane, be so excited for every little idiosyncrasy, like every little intricate thing that has to do with bow hunting or the animal you're hunting and learning about it and like jumping head first into it. I don't think it matters where you are. Um in fact, I know it doesn't. And I remember tell him. I think I told my wife that I'm like, I met this guy, the nicest guy you've ever met, but more excited about hunting. He inspired me to get more excited about bow hunting. Uh. And I if there's any reason to pick up a bow, it would be like somebody like somebody like Shane who has traveled the world and served the biggest waves and done some of the most dangerous things you could in the water, so like flip and be that excited about this. You can't. That's that's isn't as infectious as it gets when it comes to bow hunting. I also found like bow hunting pretty late in my life. I didn't start bow hunting until I was thirty, and when I found it, I fell head over heels in love with it. And in Hawaii, you don't have to wait for a season. There's no you're like it's like like you're never like, oh, I'm six months away, I need to start shooting. I should probably get a new bow this season, or there's no season, like you're you're bow hunting every week if you want to, every day if you want to. And so I went from like never hunting before to like in my first year, probably hunting like a hundred and fifty days, you know, Like I was awesome. And I became obsessed with not being a bad bow hunter, Like I wanted to become a good bow hunter so badly, and I started like hanging out with people that I knew or who people that I met who were really good at bow hunting, and I just became obsessed with getting better at it, trying to get better at like just learning all I possibly could, and I don't know, it's been an it's been an amazing journey and I and I love bow hunting right now as much as I ever have. So yeah, now I've I've been privileged to kind of like see parts of your journey and be there the specific points and um, it's it's like I said, it's infectious and it's um. You know, like I said, if you don't know much about Shane and you're listening to this, you gotta go back and and watch. There's a lot of things you can watch about Shane, but you should. Um. Was that recent documentary that was on HBO oh Um Momentum Generation. Yeah, Momentum Generation. I loved it. I loved and that that shows you a lot about you know, how Shane came up and what kind of life he had prior to his bow his your adult onset bow hunter man. Yes, And it's it's funny because this is um, this is me right here like in a nutshell as a as a bow hunter. I probably killed about a hundred deer now with my bow, probably eighty of them being accessed here. And every time I go in the field where there's deer. I feel like it's my first time. I get super nervous, I get dough fever, Like if I see a dough I start freaking out, like like almost shaking, Like I get it's so excited. It's like my first time again. And I feel like a rookie. I make rookie mistakes. I never feel like I've killed a hundred deer. It's such a trip and and every time I get one on the ground, I feel like it's a miracle. That's the best way to handle it. Man, I feel that same way too. But we should tell the story of the podcast. Uh what did Rogan called the podcast in Paradise where where it caused a lot of anxiety for Shane because we could have been hunting me me too, But or Sam, can you just just tell the set up for this, how this happened, and where the hell we were. Yeah, So we did the whole podcast in Rogan's room at the you know, at the hotel, and we sat down around a round table and basically Ray did the fridge of whatever beer and whatever else was sitting in their wine and like like Rogan just got went to the mini bar and took his big gorilla fucking hands and grabbed all of the liquor and wine and beer in the mini bar and dumped it on the table around the zoom recorder where there was five of us sitting. Uh. And then it got it just got out of control from there, it really did. It was. That was a really funny podcast and uh, you know, honestly one of the first ones I had ever been on and so talk about, you know, getting your feet wet on a podcast that millions of people listened to. Um. But like at that time, for me, like I was just introducing the bus project, like Joe had been following along and like watching the build through my Instagram, and so I got to talk a little bit about the bus. But we spent the better part whatever it was hour and a half two hours, like just talking about how amazing Lena I was and everything had to offer and U you know, and then there was a lot of different arguments that ensued about stuff that didn't matter at all. Ever, a drink was invented. Um. Actually that I'm looking at all the photos from the trip, and my hard drive is called cat Lady because I had to buy a new hard drive that summer and I named it after the drink. Yeah, it's uh, it's an amazing thing that happened there. Yeah, we all got, you know, pretty pretty drunk. I didn't, I was buzzed, but John Dudley got as drunk as I've seen a human and create it was putting wine. I don't even remember what the cat lady red bull in tequila. Yeah wine, red bull in tequila, and was drinking that and arguing with Joe Rogan of all people, about the uf about UFC, about fighting. It was like Tank Abbott did, Did Tank Abbott fight somebody? In particular? Part of it? You guys going, dude, you're kidding me. There's deer out there right now. We're about may not have ever happened, like nobody cares. I remember thinking like, is Joe gonna put this out there? Like, um so, yeah, it was just a booze infused introduction. It was my I think it was probably all of our first times um on on his show, the madness that is this show, and um so go listen to that. It's called Podcasts and Paradise. I can't find the episode number, but if you there's no number, there's no not literally called podcasts of paradise. That's it. We were so off the rails that didn't even need a number there. There's nothing in there. Yeah, So I don't know what else came out of, but you did. I remember saying you introduced your bus project. John and Joe argued about some fight and while John was drinking the ultimate blackout concoction, which became afterwards. Uh, there was a bunch of meme pages about cat Lady. The cat Lady lived on after that show for quite a while a while. Yeah, I haven't heard I haven't heard about the cat Lady in years, but in about it, yeah, probably two years. But at that point in seen it was. It became a bit of a fad, which was I worried about that for a while. There was like sleepless nights where something I was waiting for a news story to break where somebody overdosed died. Hashtag cat Lady, hashtag cat Lady. You know, but luckily we got out of their unscathed. Sure somebody was entertained by that podcast, but everybody from what I can remember, Shane, you got a buck you I think you got two bucks on that first trip, didn't you two stags? Two or three? Yeah, I think I got three or four deer on that that hunt. Yeah, because you killed two the last day. Yeah, yeah, I killed the one, Sam killed one, John killed. How many do you get when you hunt more? Yeah? What a weird What a weird concept? Two plus two eagules four ben to spend more time, hunt longer, You hunt more, and you get more opportunities. I just I just always remember Shane would just like appear out of the brush onto the road at night, just read from head to toe, black face paint, just looking like a ghost coming out of the brush. Booked about two thousand deer each day. Yeah, I hadn't seen him in like twelve hours. He had aged about five years, and he was he was usually carrying a deer head on his way out. That's how we do it. But yeah, I mean I that was the first. I meant, I has become a thing that a lot of people do now. And thanks to the you know, the Pineapple brothers who had us down that first year. You know they're up in there deal. But there is a lot of public land there for all of those that probably asked a million times me and I'm sure you Shane, and even you saying for the times that you've been there. I mean there's great public plan hunts. You can also go with LNA with the Pineapple Brothers is the outfitting group down there that runs out of four seasons. Um. So there's a lot of options to go there, man. And if you really want to experience what we just described, you can't. You can get it done. Um, you just gotta be if you're not willing to pay what it takes to get in with the Pineapple Brothers, you just gotta get um, get real and plan it. You can really, um, look at the public land that's there and take advantage. You definitely can. Oh, it's all open for you. Um. We should maybe close by talking about Bob the Butcher, because no Lannis story is complete without Bob the Butcher. So Shane, can you give give a Bob the Butcher rundown? Like, what's this guy? Try to describe him if the best you can? Oh, Man, he Bob the Butcher is uh. He's what you would call a holly guy, and a holly is a hiss like a white dude basically from the mainland. And but Bob moved to Lanai a million years ago, met a local girl I believe, and has lived on l Nay ever since. And he's he's like a lny boy at heart now and everybody knows him, and he's he's like the classic Bob the butcher guy. But if you go and kill four or five deer with your gun, or or if you kill a deer with your bow, you can just literally just pull right up in front of his house. You don't have to call him, you don't have to text him. He just pull right up and he'll drag that deer right out of your truck, and you pay a hunter bucks and he'll make the deer however you want. He'll put it into sausages, He'll he'll make really killer rib racks. All everything's really like beautifully organized and and very appetizing, the way he cuts everything up, bags it all perfectly um beautiful presentation. He'll put it in a cooler and send it to your house. He's just um any and he's and he's the only game in town like that, and he's incredibly detailed about It's not like he's gonna just add your deer to the rest of the deer and like you know, you might get a rib brack from some like gun Hunter from some other places, you're gonna get your exact deer everything go part. He's very meticulous and and he's just a he's always good for a good story and a good conversation as well. Oh yeah, man, he's he's a legend um Sam. You want to try to just describe from your perspective who he is and kind of what he looks like. And yeah, I mean super interesting character, kind of like a he's bald, like semi overweight, just kind of like this like stocky like guy. And uh like, it seems like every time I had wander over there to like either hang out and talk to him about you know, have him tell stories about living on the island, or watch him cut up deer shoot photos of the whole place. I mean, he was always just singing most of the time. He didn't have a shirt on, like he's just you know, like or wearing like just like an apron and shorts. You know, Like, I like, super interesting character to say the least. Oh yeah, man, and is the guy who always has a story for something. He's one of the happiest people you've ever meet. Like he's always engaging. He would sit up and talk to you all night, like if you would have you endeavored to sit there with him and his kind of butchering area skinning area and have a beer and talk, he would do it as long as you could possibly handle it. I think about sorry about that, yam Oh, I was gonna say. I think one of my favorite stories that he told me was I was talking about all the turkeys on one I but there's no spring season, and he was like, oh man, you just need to come back in the fall and the season's open. We hunt him like quail. And I was like, well, what do you what do you mean. He's like, oh, yeah, we run dogs and we'll flush covees of turkeys of like three or four and you can shoot one a day per day of the season. He's like, I shot twenty seven last year. He's the best jerky hunters on the whole island right exactly. And there's not a tree bigger than six ft for them to roost in, so maybe sleeping in the roost you can walk right up to him and push him out of it. The worst thing about Bob the butcher is going there in the middle of the day, like if you do you kill a deer, at like ten am and you throw in the back of the truck and you drive over there. For for me, it's like trying to get in and out of there as quick as I can. But he always went to like chat and like tell stories and like hang out. And I'm like, Bob, Dude, I'll come back tonight and hang out for an hour where we can hang out. But right now, dude, I'm putting this deer and I'm going straight back to the field because there's a lot of deer that needs me out there. Yeah. Man, I would say that going to visit Bob. And then you know, after the fact, I got back to Texas when I lived there, and I would like reaching my freezer to grab you know, I keep all my like straps and and loins, and you know, some of the cuts I like more in one area my freezer and I would just reach in and grab something for dinner, and I would look and I would know, like Bob the Butcher's handwriting, and I would get so excited when I would see that, like the golden ticket from where you know, from my freezer that I knew this came from Bob's Bob's shop, and I knew this came from one ie, Um, and I knew I was going to get some of the best days of me there was. So you can't go down there without without seeing Bob. You gotta go experience it. Like Shane said, be maybe take maybe go after the hunt and be ready for a couple of hours of a good time. H Yeah. Absolutely, well boys before we get out of here. Um, thanks for spending time with me at Shane, I know you got to get back to the beach, son of a bitch. Uh, But you want to kind of give everybody your outlook on this, Shane. You know what you what you think about, you know how many weeks this might go on or you don't have to give that prediction, but just how you're looking at the future with this quarantine and this pandemic. Oh man, I don't know, it's a it's a really tough subject for me. I mean it's um. You know, I have some really good friends that live in Spain and in Italy, and I've been talking to those those friends and David indoors and on real lot like actual lockdown, not like Hawaii you go surfing, but an actual lockdown where you can't leave your house for weeks now, and it's a dire situation and it's really sad, and um, you know, I really fear that for Hawaii. Hawaii is a really a really fragile place. You know. We have very like um, you know, limited amount of hospital beds and very limited amount of space and and medical workers, and we have a lot of tourists that come here, and you know about the hundreds of thousands, and so I'm just a little worried to be honest, and just trying to be really safe and and and hunker down a little bit more than normal and really really happy. I have three freezers full of food and probably two freezers full of wild game meat, and my family is happy about that as well. So just trying to get back to the basics and and um, really appreciate what we have and um looking forward to the next time I go balling. That's right, That's right. I don't want to end on a sour note, but I just wanted to get that, like, get everybody you know, perspective on this, because that things are important. Sam, Sam, you want to give yours where you are now? Yeah, I think the most important thing is just too realize that even though you know people like us are young and healthy and like probably won't be all that much affected by the whole thing. Like we just have to be conscious of everyone and around us and everyone on the planet really and know that we're all in this together, like there's no discrimination among anybody. Like we need to unite and just make sure we're keeping any everybody that we can possibly safe and do what we need to do to get through this crappy time. That's right. Yeah, well boys, let's whenever this all over, let's go back Lanai. Yes, ye, let's definitely get get back together and go hunting again, no doubt, man, I miss it. Um well, thanks so much for taking the time, guys, and be safe and keep your family safe and we'll talk. So thanks you guys. Sounds good, Thanks guys, that's it. That's all. I've been asking Phil the engineer to rate every podcast. So Phil, what do you rate this podcast? One out of ten ten being the best? Uh? You know, I'm gonna go ahead and give it a nine. I have not heard it yet, the whole thing perfect, but I you know, I've got faith in you and Sam and Shane, so um uh and I think the listeners agree it was a it was a nine. That's great. You're that's for once, you're being positive and I really enjoyed that. I think maybe with this quarantine, you're turning turning over a new leaf. Yeah, I'm seeing the world in in a in a whole new light. All right, Well, thanks to SHANEO, thanks to Sam for the second time being on the Quarantine Cast. Um, we're gonna have a great, great episode for you tomorrow. I think tomorrow is Steve and Ronella and Janie Patellis. Don't know if you're familiar with those gentlemen. Uh. They run a program called The Meat Eater Podcast. Some people listen to it, I believe, and it is what I find a fine outdoor program. So Yanni and Steve tomorrow on the Quarantine Cast. I think a lot of you will be excited about that. We're gonna get an update from Steve on his vacation to Mexico and Yanni's quarantine in the mountains of Montana, and then we're gonna talk about our hunt in Mexico for CU's deer. A couple of years back, UM, where I first heard about this company that I worked for, a now called Media Incorporated, from Steve, so it would be and where we also did, Phil, if you didn't know this, this was definitely BP or uh. Steve and I recorded the first episode of the Unincollective on that trip, so it'll be good to relive those days that were far far into the BP. Yeah, I mean I I have not listened to that first episode actually, but I will listen to this one. Oh my god, on your dedications it's it's it's a veil. You pull that veil back. It's ugly, ugly. Um. Well, hopefully listen to this one, Phil, I look forward to it. I always look forward to talking Steven Janni, especially as as Steve said on an all company call recently, we don't appreciate the people around every day until we can't be around them. So it's it's good. It'd be good to check in with those boys and just have fun telling hunting stories. So come back tomorrow for that. That's it Episode number eight of the Quarantine Cast gone. I'm Jonas form number nine tomorrow, See you. The Hunting Collective with Ben O'Brien is a part of the Meat Eater podcast network. It is produced by Cringe Schneider and engineered by Phil Taylor. You can find it on iTunes, Stitcher, Spotify, the meat eater dot com, or anywhere podcasts are downloadable wherever you listen, leave a five star review and subscribe. Phil, you watched Tiger King. I started it, Ben, I watched the first two episodes. What give me your best description? Give me your best description of Joe Exotic um hero? 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