00:00:08 Speaker 1: This is me eater podcast coming at you, shirtless, severely, bug bitten, and in my case, underwear listening podcast. You can't predict anything presented by on X. Hunt creators are the most comprehensive digital mapping system for hunters. Download the Hunt app from the iTunes or Google play store. Nor where you stand with on X. Okay, I'm gonna do like a um host of a late night show. I'm gonna say, ladies and gentlemen, we have a very special show for you tonight, joined by Taylor McCall actual musician, actual, actual, Reallysi Taylor McCall's stay you from from South Carolina. Yeah, stay close to that, mighty, I'll get close to it. Tell people how you don't like to wear your own hat just because you can't wear your own T shirt. You can't wear your own hat just I don't know, you can't be called in t J Max well your own hat on I don't just can't be a tool. So uh that puts me in an awkward spot. You wear your mate eat or hat. Yeah, but you gotta you gotta. I mean it's not my name. Ye. If I had a name said Steve, I wouldn't wear a shirt and said like Steve yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. You know this, it was like a different Steve yeah yeah. What about a shirt that just said Dave, because that'd be like people that wear garage shirts with someone else's name on it. Ozzi used to do that heat being like the tight spandex like outfit wild, you know, good hanging out and it just say Ozzy and dazzles and like nobody's got the balls to be wearing that these days, you're talking the Blizzard of oz Yo. Yeah yeah, you fan, Yeah, my dad, that's what I grew up on. A big Randy Rhodes fans in the plane wreck. Yep, yep. That's how the best own go. You know. Um, I used to have a I used to work for a place called Quality Ain't its contractors and they did uh industrial codings and painting and all that. And one time me and this dude from high school named Craig comp had to go into a factory where they made auto parts. They made like rear view years and stuff for Honda or something like that. But it was in it was in Michigan, and we had to clean the whole ceiling like d grease from the car factory, in an auto parts factory, D grease all of the steel girders and trusses because they were gonna spray them. And they had to put that fire retardant spray up there. What the hell had to be prepped and we were and we were doing one section and they wanted it done. We had to do it just a one spell and I and we came in. First shift was in that factory. I mean Craig showed up. They left, Second shift came in, they left, third shift came in, they left. The first ship people came back, I mean Craig were still there. And I entered like a transcendent transcendent state, what's the word I'm trying to say, Like a hallucinatory state, that flow state. And we're listening to k l q UM. I'll always remember this. We're up in a scissor lift. And I entered such a state that I at one point said, I think they're gonna play crazy Train. Oh man, that's what you needed. And they played crazy Train, did they? That's usually the way it goes when I don't never listen to the radio, but if I turn it on, it's usually got to be something where that it goes right back off when you get that. That's one like streaming services are nice and all that, but you can't there's a thing about radio, like why do you song like good songs sound better on radio because you don't have the you don't have the acause surprise, I can't skip it. And it's like all of a sudden, like I could go right now and play Crazy Tramp. I felt like, he can you play that? Knock? It's I play that now? I mean that's what. Uh, that's kind of that's a good talking point and maybe get out on my My guitar work is uh, it's very uh, very unorthodox, even in Nashville. I showed up and it uh everybody in town really is kind of plays in the same format. And the way I grew up learning guitars, I never thought I could sing, just because I have a real deep voice, and you know, a guitar and a standard tune and set in which majority of the songs are in um anything on the radio song it's in standard tune and it's usually like a G and a C and D. You know what I mean. That's got no idea. Yeah, So I never grew up like that. Because I was like, man, I can't sing like that, So I just d tune these strings all kinds of weird ways and not really like that's not common. I mean some tuning is uncommon, but what I was doing, you know, uh, people in town still I work with some great people and be like, what do you even play it? You know what I mean? Like I don't know, you know, even in that's what in standards, Like, I don't know what I'm doing even in standard tune. And you take that into you know, d tuning the guitar. You know, it's uh, it's kind of one of those things where it's like if you don't know anything, everything's you know, that's your access. But you got to spend years. Fine, you know all that didn't sound good? What I got next? You know what I mean, not to many people want to do that. You know the Leonard SKINNERD quote from one of the dudes, the Leonard SKINNERD was learned to play your guitar, then get sexy. Yeah, yeah, you just skipped right to the sexy. I don't know about all that, but we were tried. We tried. Oh you know, who can sing like a little Bird's Chester The molester. Oh yeah, he's uh, he's I've seen him evolve over the past few months, playing guitar and singing, and he's getting good. He he did this, Buddy Bars just got married. So Chester Chester Chester Floyd. Yeah, I save him in my phone it's Chester the Molester because my kids they don't know what a molester is, but they laugh on my truck, says Chester the Molester, and I tell to call them, but uh, he got we're fishing your night, and he's explaining this whole story where he learned how to play a song, someone else's song, but Tyler Childer's song to get up and like serenade his wife at his wedding and at a couple of weeks it was a good performance. Well he ran. The problem is everybody thinks that he wrote it. He didn't clarify or anywhere in listening, so people are like he was talking about how people are crying and like, I can't believe you wrote that beautiful song for your wife, And now he's running around And then even after the fact, my wife was talking to someone who's talking about this beautiful song Jester wrote. So he need to do a better job in the future. Uh so, uh, you moved out you lived here for a while. Yeah, that's what he came out here to be a fishing guy. Yeah, yeah, that's what I kind of have two phases. I kind of was telling Buddy last night, you know, around a couple of beers, just I feel like I've had two phases in my life of just uh, I'll fishing and guitar, you know, and I feel like both are very had a tate of activities or hobbies that I turned into disciplines in a sense maybe I mean, I don't know if you call it that, but uh, yeah, I grew up when my dad just going camping and fishing, uh for stock trout up in North Carolina, in the Davidson and Mills River. And I just grew up catching that stock trout like if you catch it, you know, he was not born in the river you put you probably put it in. You know. We got help the DNR people, you know, dump buckets of just hogs and the and the river. And then you know, I think Seth Din used to do something quite similar to that. Yeah. I used to help the fish commission stock him and then I go back and fish the holes three the big ones. Yeah, and that last. Those fish last about a day. I'm catching re lease guy, but nobody else is. In South Carolina, it seems like, so you go catch the stockers, let them go. Yeah yeah yeah. And then Homie Coup would come down the river and just take it back. You know, we had people all kinds of people casting that the river. You just walk up like, man, come home man. You know, even in the delayed harvest. It's like here, my dad pulled a gun on somebody one day because he was doing that. Just worked him up just I probably shouldn't said him up. Pistol whipped him. No, no, no, I just worked him up just because we always I don't know, just Dad's down there with the pistol. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, do a little fish, yeah yeah yeah. Statue of limitations good and this guy yeah, and then he's got this cooler full of fish and he's like, you know, what are you doing man? Kind of you know he uh, long story shore, he took that cooler. Fish, don't be back in the river. He's like, I'm calling d n R right now, just just because back home we have one good little place we can fish, and everybody just messes it up, it seems like, So tell me the pistol pulling story though, So like, okay, so there you are. Yeah, he's like, oh yeah, because the guy thought he was a police and you know, he obviously wasn't. So um, I'm trying to get like, I mean, he did he pull it on him like this, but I mean he was yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess that's what you would call it. And then the guy dumped the fish off. Yeah, he took off him and him and two other people, yeah, you know, and then it took out an hour for game ward and get there, and then they found him on down the river. So it's just not legal to fish that way at all. Yeah yeah, yeah, well yeah, I don't know general a general American rule of thumb that this is the generalization you generally dasn't be casting netting in fresh water, especially table you know what I mean. But yeah, that's what I grew up fishing kind of streams, you know, no bigger than this room. And I thought that was you know, you could that was the big water. And then I came out here and realized those are just little little creeks. Back home, but uh yeah, I graduated high school in two thousand and fifteen and uh seventeen at the time, and just moved out here. I didn't know anybody, and uh the first week I was here, you know, just started fishing, fishing my way out of school pretty much two years. So you enrolled in school, yeah, but Montana State flunked out. Yeah yeah, yeah. I just couldn't pass myth at all. So I was like, man, might as well be getting some enjoyment out of being here. So then you took off yeah yeah on the river. Yeah. I was here for two years and got two years worth a good fishing in and uh yeah, man, just loved it as a good place for a seventeen year old to come figure it out and you know, not get in trouble. I feel out there's uh I don't know, there's like three cops in town compared to everywhere else back home. So it's a good place for a kid not to get in trouble in a sense. You feel there's a low cop per criminal ratio out here. Oh yeah, I don't know about the criminal ratio, but definitely definitely I feel like, oh, just little cops, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. You can be walking down the road, but it's interesting perspective. Ever, Like I'll tell you, well, I do kind of notice that a little bit because I think that, uh, New Mexico, the the depth and variety of law enforcement agencies that maintain a presence in New Mexico was staggering, like in a in a they have a heavy presence, just every lawn, everything imaginable. Yeah, because they got a buller patrol down just like every other car. You know, I don't know if I can make it down there. So you break a lot of loss, yeah, I mean, yeah, do it elegantly, but you're not a violator. No, not a game, no, not a no, not at all, just you know, not anything in the hunting fishing world breaking as at all. That's good. That's good. Um. He was gonna ask then he left because you had a girlfriend somewhere. Yeah, So I I had like a girlfriend back home and uh pretty much uh like you left her to come here. Yeah, I left her to come here, and then thanks got kind of think of it that way. Uh yeah, but that was even before we met. It was one of those things. Uh, it was always my dream to come out here, and so when I left, it was kind of like eating my dream in my face coming back and I got back and I was like, what did I just do? You know what I mean? And so I enrolled after I was here at Montana State, I pretty much sold my clack of craft and went back home. And uh, the clack of craft got those seven songs right there, and uh, well you wrote these songs on this and that like that the soul the clack of craft, and that paid for that. So my parents didn't even know I sang until I got back after after college, and uh pretty much spiraled into this this project Jericho Rose that tune as Uh, it's about Montana and my experience leaving. Uh I was in it's kind of all it all works out in a sense. Uh enrolled at a community college back home after I came back, and how to take I mean this tells you how far along I was in school. I take our one oh one my third year, you know what I mean? That most people ain't be doing that, Yeah, running behind And uh it was all for a reason though, because I learned about this thing one day called the Rose of Jericho, and I was like, man, that kind of perked my ears. It's uh it's a um, it's got all these supers Jericho? Right, Yeah, but this is like, h isn't that? Where was Saul who was on the way to Jericho when he got blinded? I'm not sure the Bible, I'm not sure is that Jericho? Someone type that up? I can't talking room full of pagans. Listen, there's a guy in the Bible who is uh not cool, and they blind him, changes his ways? Wasn't he heading to Jericho? Man? Seth? Really you don't know? Seth? No, I should know. My grandmother would be upset with me. The lay some Bible learning on you guys. You take huge stop talking a US a bit while I lay some Bible lay. Okay, check this out. We've been talking a lot about this, uh, this thing called the ass movement, anti surface shipping movement, getting people to stop going relieving themselves out in the bury it out in the woods and long trails and a trailheads and whatnot, just to generally reduce the Now that the whole world has a dog, it's bad enough of dogs. Then you add all the people stuff in there, all the people excrement um. This guy sends a thing in Dotero from deuterotomy to fourteen this is in the Bible. You shall have a place outside the camp, and you shall go out to it, and you shall have a trowel with you, sit down outside, you shall dig a hole with it and turn back and cover up your excrement. For the Lord your God moves around your camp by night. I like it, dude. I was like, this is no way that's true. There's no way that's true. And so I did some searching, and it is true. And I'll tell you here's another I was like, is that really true? So I looked up and here's another translation, same thing. Deuterotomy. This is from the new International version Deuterotomy to fourteen. Designate a place outside the camp where you can go to relieve yourself as part of your equipment, have something to dig with, and when you relieve yourself, dig a hole and cover up your excrement. For the Lord your God moves about in your camp to protect you and to deliver your enemies to you. Your camp must be holy so that he not see among you anything indecent and turn away from you. That's a fact. I bet the dude from the founder that asked movement, doesn't he know about that? Was he headed to Jericho Saul, and he changed after this happened, he changed his name to Paul. The Road to Jericho. I looked it up. It says Jesus when he was passing through Jericho. Um, he cured two blind men. Now yeah, and the Road to Jericho is like this very dangerous road that was beset by robbers. And is that your own word? Yep, it is. Um. Yeah, it was just like a dangerous road and it had something to do with the Samaritans and the Jews. And I didn't see anything about Saul or Paul. Yeah, I'm not seeing soul. No, never mind. But yeah, anyways, you found out about the rules. It's pretty much this desert desert plant and meant like like why the word Jericho in there but the desert plant. Yeah. Yeah, so it's got all these superstitions, and uh, for me, my writing process really started. Uh I'm not I don't do it. Uh, I'm always grew up. I could barely read in front of the class, always a real shy guy, you know. Um, And pretty much the way I came into music was natural. Its therapy and uh, you know, hard times kind of that's what comes out. And uh that perked my ears up when I hear hear anything interesting like that. And that was the first kind of you know, real phrase or you know, just that play just language. You know that I don't perks the hair in your years, if you know what I mean. And so I started reading into it, and you know, if you put water on this plant, it comes back to life, and it's got all these like superstitions, and I was like, that's kind of like my experience, you know, out in Montanio. If you read the lyrics, it's, uh, it's pretty much a poetry about you know, having a second chance in a way, and uh that gets it up. Um, are you gonna sing that one later? A different one? I'm anost singing y'all some new stuff the whole world. Anything that the world has ever heard has literally been the first songs that anything that's out is the first songs I wrote. And since then, um, you know, I've got over eighty songs I've written last two years. And uh you still fish? Oh yeah, that's what the dream is to do this to where we can fish you know all the time. Are you regarded as like a song factory? That sounds a lot of music at this point at this point, I can't pick up a guitar and just play it. It's always you know, uh, you know, because I hear things and like words just come out in a way. Um. And especially it's like building a muscle. Um. I don't know. I've become obsessed with it keeps me up not but that's how you get get going. I mean, do you have peers that are cranking out eighties songs? Most people? Are you spitting into that cup there? Just a little bit of grizzly if that's that's if that's that's fine. Grizzly our friend dirt myth Uh he doesn't choose grizz he says no, he says, uh no, I got a good job. He choose what's it you? That was my original because I was a long cut guy for a long cough time. The Copenhagen was my favorite. But uh, they don't make good pouches, you know. And I can sound check with it. So you got a pouch in area. You see it right here up there, but nobody ever knows tucked in there? Well, I know you gotta and you're spitting into it. Yeah, you'll swallow it. Occasionally we had a guy right in he works with. He's a deer researcher. I think he's in Pennsylvania. And he said, when he goes into that deer pen, you can't bring your dipping. What was that you said, they'll tear the pocket right off your jeans to get that dip out to put that on a commercial. He said, if you put Levi Garrett in your back pocket, he said, they'll rip your pants. Starts hanging tree stands. He makes some like Premos products or something out of that. They'll be like little pellets as it kind of frowned upon to be uh, you know in a stand with that. You know, does that repeale uh anything? I don't know. What do you think I mean when I when I used to cheer it, I had no problem being in the standard in the field with it. Um. I don't know. I don't think it's laying down that much sin. Yeah, you think you'll end up catching lip cancer. I'm gonna quit here soon. Yeah. Yeah, you should get with dirt. You guys could just hang out and chew. Yeah. We should have called him up and hand to come over. That's what I mean. These people got in the East sig bars. You know, I thought it was a weird idea of what people just went somewhere and dip you know, kind of like a dip ball. That's the way, like a little water. Am most people getting some good sleep, like a cigar like I remember had through a work thing. One of the worst things that ever happened. He was I had to go to a cigar bar and like, oh my god, that grizzly reminds me of that Ransack cabin in Alaska because the only thing that wasn't to our part was a couple of cans of grizzly, and Buck was thrilled to see that grizzly sitting there. I'll tell you another interesting about that ran we got. We were in a we slept in a cabin that had been a bear had moved into it, and oh my god. Oh, if you want to go look, go to Instagram. You'll see a video of this cabin at Stephen Ronella your scroll back. I mean, this cabin got destroyed, yeah, by a bear. Um and this bear would bite everything open. But what's funny is he didn't figure out there's all these glass jars of salmon, and he bit all the canned I don't know what it is he bit like if he was a can of mean beans, he'd chew it open. The salmon glass, jars of salmon never touched. Didn't figure out like it blows my mind, and he put everything open. And the other thing laying on the ground amongst all this junk is a can of bear spray that he never sunk a tooth into. Like the fact that he's smelling through a can that doesn't make sense. Man, I don't understand how they did with how that bear did what he did eight coffee. I've had an experience real close with a with a couple back home, three mom, bear and two cubs, and you know it's, you know, real close to us. I got in nice. Sure they love some sugar cookies that this bear was so good. He got into a bag of Halloween candy, like fun sized candy bars. This is something you think he just eat the candy bar. I don't know. He must have taken his little claw. He would eat the candy bars and leave the empty rappers. Man, however, he managed to do that like little It looked like a human being opened up all these candy bars and the rappers are gone. Some stuff he got burned out on like he got into a bunch of dry pasta but left some dry posta. But after I was like, I can't handle the dry posta anymore. Yeah, there's a couple of little packets of folders, uh single like tea bags, and Steve, Steve used those. Well I chickened out in the end. Everybody's like, can't let you got drink that because I use no, because here's what happened when I opened it up. They had been corrupted and they had been soaked inside. And then I was like, who cares? And I was like it was probably Bear pissed. I don't know. I didn't need him. I thought it was Buck had some of that. He had some of that black that black rifle coffee black powder. He had two of those in his pocket. I didn't tell anybody about that. I didn't know. I thought you were drinking that folder stuff. No. So this is kind of funny because um, we're rafting down the river and Bucks got a friend that's got a cabin and and uh, we're gonna go up there, so I don't bring any Bucks. Like, well, instead of carrying stuff up there, we're gonna hike up to this cab instead of carrying stuff up there. I'll replace there's food there, and then I'll make sure to replace anything that's there. And then I remember Seth being like, man, I don't know, I feel like we should bring some food. And I remember shooting him down be like no, man, we got a whole plan, you know. And we get up there and it's like yeah, like nothing nothing, no coffee, yeah, no dinner, no breakfast, nothing. This place was ransack. That's the worst mindset that I think you're gonna replace. That's like, uh, I don't know, you don't replay stuff? When he hung over, Hey, what do you think of this? Right here? That's what I saw this morning. So we had a guest on, Bob Reid, who's a Burmese python expert, and I got talking about snake oil and we're talking about how, you know, people say a snake oil salesman. Well, it's longer that I was talking about how these guys we met in South America were saying that you can take the oil from what was that snake down there? The Anacondas right green Ana Connor. I don't know, is this a trip that I was on. I remember this this one when your first time down there with anaconda like thirteen sixteen eighteen foot snakes. And the dude told me two interesting things. He said, we we walked up to one and he was explained to me, like what I would call a superstition, what he would call just the truth. He was saying, if I touched that snake with my bow, just touch it. You can touch with a regular stick. But if I were to touch that snake with my bow, it would die of very painful death mhm. And I said, like how long? He said, forty five minutes just from contacting it with a human bow. And I said, what do you why would you do that? What do you use it for? And he said that when you use it to the fat the oil rendered from the snake to treat arthritis. And then explained this this Burmese python expert. And he made me realize something I hadn't put together is that when you say, like someone's a snake oil salesman, because he said, people used to attribute snake grease, snake fat with all these as having great like natural pathic or homeopathic qualities. Essential old salesman. So then he just brought us a court. You know that he didn't have the lid on tight, which is weird because I don't view this stuff as appetizing. I had a tightened lid or something to turn court jar of Burmese python oil. I have a label maker, and I made that label for display. I like the no ship part. My label says snake oil, no ship, this is oil from a python. That's what I was watching uh episode on on Netflix the other night of when you was down with these guys that they're using their hand to cast in the river. I was like, he's definitely saying some snakes in that area. Do you say any that's that's that area where I saw these the and not these the anacondas um. Wouldn't you guys eat that? Like? I find that oil almost repulsive. I don't. I don't like snakes. I mean not that I I don't like snakes, and it's not like a big snake guy. He's that's rendered fat though, right, it's rendered fat. I'll pass it around. Did he use it well? Did just for you? Does he like often make he already had it? He already had it. It's brought me some of his stash. Did you see that? Did I put on your desk some yeah, prickly pear. Same guy, I like that. Put that on my oatmeal this morning. Did you did I bring you some choked chair? Uh? Yeah, jam, same guy? Did I bring you some of that honey? No, it's on your desk, thank you. Different guy. I thought it was some moon chield. Was like, man, that's a little early for But what I was saying is it's so unappetizing to me that I wouldn't be able to like fry up an egg in that oil. Yeah, that's on appetising to me too. I definitely would give it a go. Yeah, I'd do a little teeth did you guys, just to say, next time you're on the podcast, guess what. I had a couple of over mediums and pothon oil this morning. It looks like he could have filtered it a little better. There's some solids down on the bottom. Yeah, I don't know. I gotta talk to it. I don't want to call him a criticize him, be like, hey, man, thanks a lot, but you know, next time, next time you, next time you maybe some snake oil that I'll not use. Put the lid on top, Put the lid on and Brodi's got some tips. He's got some tipsy as well. Recently, I recently got some some oil from a good buddy of mine, and uh, I had some criticism about it, but I was like, you know, I'm not gonna say anything because it's hard to Yeah, it's hard to have a nice big batch of it. It might be a buddy sitting next to me if you do that. If you do do it, what you do is um, you know about a compliment sandwich? Have we covered this? We have, but it'll give it to me again. A compliment when you got it, when you get when you need just need to like give someone some feedback that they're not could be receptive to you. Compliment him, yes, start positive, so you'd say, my god, bro, do you look good today? Right? You're working out? Can you tell me about the basic so I can do it? Can you tell you the basic problem? Well, the oil, uh, instead of being snow white, bear grease, it's got just a little touch of color to it, and it has a little touch of flavor to it like it might have like the cracklings might have been cooked a little bit too long and you know, pudding. But it's out like that, super clean. Yeah, you know what I mean. So you'd say, my god, Brody, do you look good today? I feel like you kind of screwed that barrel up by over cooking the crack ones. My god, your kids are nice. That's a comment sam like three completely unrelated constructive criticism. It's not like I've got a lifetime experience render and bear fat, you know, quick news item. I saw that, Like I hesitate to do this to mention this news story in the news because it's a type of news that I generally hate, and it's like, you know, news agencies that that do news. The point of the news being that the reader will be annoyed and have the response of like, what's the world coming to? Right? Yeah, like just how like this has gone too far? A war on Christmas? You know, I mean, like like that kind of news, you know what I mean. This is one of those news stories. A boy so now that but like now that kids are at home, like some of you kids are at home for school, right, and you're doing zoom. So a little boy in Louisiana is at home in his bedroom and there's a picture that he's got his shirt, but he's got like a dress shirt buttoned up to the top button like he was kidd on the planet um nine years old. But in his room is his baby gun and he gets suspended what suspended from zoom? Suspended from school because in his room is a baby gun and you can't have guns at school. So seriously, he's not actually he's going to classes. He's in his bedroom. The story is like, like I gathered that this is not a problem, that I think this problem is going to go away for this boy very quickly. But that was the initial repercussion. They suspended it. They won't allow him to He got kicked out of school for having begun in his bedroom during his online learning. What is this world coming to? This will not stand next it will be a war on Christmas. So yeah. Another thing is this is the last last word? Is last time I bring this up? But the plot does sticking around squirrels biting nuts off other squirrels. We got a thing. Listen. A vet in Australia rode in to say that he this is not squirrels, it's not America. But he does find that male rabbits will get in fights and it can result in testicular injuries. From Byton to the other rabbit. The plot thickens, so Spencer's gonna have to do some more research taking to that one. Now here's the other thing that's not news, but it's I just thought this was fascinating that was read about the other day. I've been reading. I don't know why I haven't read this, like like Osborne Russell's journal. Have you guys read Osborne Russell's journal. It's kind of like the most one of the most important historical texts about like the Mountain Men and the beaver Travis, you read it, dude, I've been reading reference. I don't. I can't. Like, I feel like such an idiot for having not like actually read his journal. It is unbelievable. One, the amount of shootouts those guys get into into the back and forth and up and down um hiking. You mean just uh, they're in Salt Lake, they're in the headwaters of the Snake, They're on the lower Yellowstone before it's like, who, like, give a quick synopsis. Who's Osborne Russell. Osborne Russell is a just a dude who signs on with a fur company, doesn't know ship um heads out west trap beavers, and keeps a meticulous journal of where they go and what they do. Oh, I think he's the guy that just details everything that happens every day. For No, that's the different dude. Thirty years later on the Muscle Shell that was called Life and Death of the Mouth Muscle Shell, Osborne Russell's journal is like, it's just his journal. Did he hang out with some of the big names. He travels with Bridger, so he's in Jim Bridgers camp, writes about that all the time. He didn't realize, he didn't like have a way to think that Jim Bridger was whatever. But he's in. He's traveling with Bridger. He got like a big crew of trappers, and this main camp moves, and as the main camp moves, they kind of pick like, Okay, we're gonna work this river and then go over the past and work that river. And the main camp moves, and in there are camp tenders and fur dressers, guy's skin and flesh and whatnot. And then you got these little bands of trappers. And so the bands of trappers go off and do a loop and come down and find the main camp and check in, and do a loop and find the man camp and check in, always getting in skirmishes shooting tons of big horn sheep like they eat more big horns the places they run into big horns, you know, talk about seeing a thousand big horns on the hill, just eating big horns. So many big horns that they're in one valley and it's hard to get through the winters. Not enough food, so they decided to move camp where the whole camp can just live on big horns. Not There was a tribe name the sheep eaters. He talks about those guys too. He meets some in what's now Yellowstone, and he describes how they had no horse. They had had a horse once that they got from some other trappers and the horse died. They had a bunch of panther hides, which he found interesting. They made most are clothes out of sheep. They didn't use flint and steel. They used bow drills to start fire. They had trapped all they said. They killed all the beavers in the area, but didn't realize that the furs were valuable and just ate the meat and wish they had saved him so they could sell the fur. And their bows were made out of elk horn and sheephorn, and they were three ft long, and he took like Osborne Russell like really likes these dudes. And he said they would travel in small family groups and not like relate to other is he go into detail about how that the horn and he doesn't describe no, he doesn't describe it. But he's like very impressed with these guys. So were they would it be fair to say they were like not quite as advanced as some of the other tribes that were, or they were just kind of living in a you know what I'm saying. He likes them better. He likes them a lot, like they likes him better. It was just very impressed with the ingenuity. Probably what he was what he seems to impress him most is by the time he's all there, there had already been a lot of trade going on, so horses. Everybody had horse. Like most of the tribes he's encountering and traveling, you know, they're they're like very friendly with the crow. They traveled the crow. Most of the tribes he's traveling with have horses, have firearms, have flint and steel, steel cookware, and so if you look at like what he's saying about them, like the things, he's like, oh and they this, and they this, and they this. It's mostly like he's talking about the way everybody would have been simply fifty years earlier. Yeah, they hadn't adopted all that stuff yet, so he caught them. Could even be like you could almost say that thirty years earlier, thirty forty years earlier, everyone he would have So he's just looking at some people that hadn't adopted. They were living like in the very high country, not associating down in the lower valleys, and they were like still living like all primitive goods. And he really dug it. Uh, he'sawing about. He spends a lot of time at the crow and he says that when again, man, this is not from a crow person. This is from a white dude traveling with the crow, capturing like his understanding of what's going on. So I'm not telling you that this is like the truth. I'm saying this is like crow culture as understood by a white trapper. He said, when a crow village moves into a new moves camp and there's buffalo in the vicinity, you can't just go out and hunt, like, you can't just charge off and spook everything out like it's part of a concerted effort, and you have to get like council permission to begin hunting. If you break this rule, the first offense is your hunting equipment is destroyed. If you do it again in your life, your horses are killed, your lodge is destroyed, and you're beaten. A third offense is death by shooting. We should have more game laws like that. Dude. They'll mess around. That's what in Lewis and Clark. I read some of their journals. What is it? What's the relationship is this guy? Earlier or after? Well after? Well after? Okay? Just if you fell asleep on guard? How many you have fifty sixty lashes? I'd be like, Man, I ain't going out with y'all boys. I know on the show I talked before about uh when Stephenson, who spent a lot of time with He's got this book, My Life with the Eskimo, and he spent much time with Innuit hunters in the High Arctic of Canada, and he describes how people like hunters will have hunting partners and they'll even be like a hunter and his hunting partner will be that that they're all left side and right side, that they're like the left side and right side of a unit, and when they get something, the left side of the thing goes to the left side, the right side of the thing goes to the right side, and that's how they distribute game amongst person's hunting partner. And talking about the crow, Osborne Russell explains um, when they're doing like a collective style hunting, like you know, riding a herd down and shooting into it, the first person who arrives at a dead buffalo is entitled to one third of the meat. If the person who killed the buffalo is the fourth one on the spot, he only gets the hide and tongue. There's no way that this person who killed it can get in any circumstance, can get any more than one third of the meat if a second and third person appears before it is placed on the horse for pack, meaning like you get one if some if you if you don't get on your horse by the time other people show up, then it's divided. They get thirds. So that's interesting. You know what, my buddy, One time I went to this thing where they're testing out how effective beer commercials are. And you get a dial and as you're interested, you turned the dial up and when you're not interested, turned the dial down. I wish we should. I wish we had those like from for you for us, because I can't tell if what I'm telling you is interesting or not. That was very interesting. Yeah, that was interesting. Um, we'll not say one top with him and then then yann he's gotta do something. Uh A guy. In addition to that snakel a guy sent me a turkey call made from a turtle shell mm hmm, which is a famous old thing. I've just got the residents. Sound good, dude, it's so cool. It's a readier slider shell and then it's got late glued like to the bottom carapist. I want to see that. It's super cool, man, what's the striker? Looked like he made it. It's got a bone top and them and I don't know what kind he told me? What kind of would boy cameraber? What kind of boy do you put on there? But it sounds good. It's so cool. Yeah. I was shocked star pick made out of as illegal to have now, but that's one of the laws, Like yeah, yeah, yeah, no not me. Yeah, that wouldn't mean that's a pass down because there it's like a hundred dollar guitar pick, and I lose guitar picks every day. What uh turtle show you know? And uh yeah, I'll make a guitar pick out of a tarpan scale. I don't know, but because he's a good guitar pick guy from Brian May from Queen. He used quarters or what's the equivalent, these old something I don't know quarters for playing. I found that out the other day and I was like, man, that's wild. So he every time they're on tour there his guitar check just goes and gets a saka. These old quarters he uses and yeah, um, so Yanni's gotta do uh yeah, he's gotta do a book report about something. Mm hmm. Brody will probably be able to add to this much times he spent this because Yannie, Uh, this is the second report he's giving us. Can you make a diddy? It goes um Yanni's book reports about videos and articles or something like that. Yan book reports. Well, I don't know about I can try. Yeah, what would you do? It would be like a jingle? Yeah, what would you like? Imagine it's a show and there's a segment, you know, and there's a song to precede the segment. So you're kicking off Yanni's Book Report, which is like a segment on the show. I'm trying to think I could do that Yan's Book Report. Man, I can't. I can't even saying happy birthday. Man, I'm just not good with little jingles like that. Let's do a quick jingle. I mean I can try. Yeah, do it. I'll grab a damn retire to do it. You gotta put your dip down, you gotta get your chunk of turtle shell out. Oh, the scale on a turtle shell something like that. Yeah, I don't think that's illegal to have. Maybe it's certain turtles. They don't care if you can catch a snap and turtle. They don't care if you pick a guitar with the scale. So Yanni's book Yanni's Book Reports. No, it's like Yanni's Book reports about articles and videos say that, or just play, just play something. How do you want to do it? I would sing it and play to it, and it would be like something to the effect of like it's time for you know what do you what do you think? Any Like it's time for Janni's Yeah, Phil, time for kids. Gather around, Yeah, gather round, it's time for Yanni. Yeah. Do you remember a book reports from school? They were boring and sucked, But this is different. Book report about a video. I don't know funking work with that. I'm trying. It's chest with molesters here, he'd actly, he'd take someone else's idea and act like you did it himself. Well, you gotta put that thing on there. I'm just gonna try to get you know what that's called. It's called ok. I just don't know how to make something jingly. That's kind of the way I plays like, I don't know real date. I'm trying to think of a way to make it, to make it deeport. Oh, I like it. That already sounds good. Yeah, I'll just put some lyrics into it. Yeah the gold Hit him with that, that's perfect. Ill do a clean one. Okay, So we're gonna we're gonna do Yanni segment. Wow two? Yeah, hit him with the self spoken Yeah, better be really good. All right, boy, I'll try. Man, that's what I'm bad with. Oh No, that was perfect cause I was trying to take it down the whole other avenue. Man, it was a lot worse than that. People all the time it's like, can you play Happy Birthday? And it's like, man, I don't know, you know, like I ain't good with that, you know what I mean? You know that John Pryan John Priyan's live album which he got one. He's like, he says, I learned those three chords when I was fourteen, and I guess I just never decided to learn any more of them. Yeah, that's what they always say is nobody knows what key that Happy Birthday is in. It's always different every time, no matter how you get around, because nobody knows how to easily sing. You know that guy still collects World. She's off that song. You can't like put that song in the movie. Really no, Wow, it's a covered song. It's a covered song, and get a license that sunbitch and song go ahead. That's interesting. It might not be true. I gotta say this is an interesting true I think it went. It went like, what's what's the term for it? When something loses its copyright that happens. It happened like four or five years ago, but like up until then it was I just said, it might not be true, so so you can republic domain. That's what I'm trying having birthday is now public public domain. God can breathe easy. You can play that at your next show, and I have to worry you put it on your next album even enough to worry about put that little Johnnie segment in the album. If people are gonna be waiting now every episode, they're gonna wait to hear those chords. Oh yeah, did you get a good recording of that so we can use and get you a better one too? Can we license at all? Yeah? Yeah, I'll give you a better one when a half time. I'm just not I don't know. That's ah, well, do you justice? Um? What was the last one that I did? You did a book report on that There's Links or Bobcat that went along ways away. Oh yeah, there was that one. But you're I think you're incorrect with saying that's only only my second one, because I did one about that girl that had that they found the gum and there was there was the preserved Oh yeah, yeah with Jesse Griffiths, and Jesse Griffins was saying he wanted to marry that girl. Yeah, they found the remains, that's right, that was in Texas. Yeah, they found yeah, and she had eaten Hazel nuts and Mallard duck. Yeah, from those articles were a lot longer. This article here, it's a video might be literally Yeah did you watch the video? I sent it to you to watch. Yeah, well, CPW, I like what you guys are doing. This is all great, but I'm sure a lot of UH State wildlife agencies struggled with this. But whoever put the media together for this, they were in love with this. One go pro shot that they have with the underside of the plane is this guy turned into a compment sandwich because started start, you got a backward I'm gonna I'm gonna knock them down first, then I'll build the build them up. But uh yeah, it was like a nine minute video and uh I think they could have gotten the point across in two or three cheese. Man just comes out just swinging producer, and that's what happens in this job. Man, you have a real hard time watching stuff and not looking at it. Um you know with that sort of I yeah, no hardcore producing. You feel the same way. There's a lot of stuff you don't have. What I would have said, like, man, those guys are handsome in that video and their kids are really nice. Look you know, I spent a big decade uh hunting and fishing in Colorado, and I have a lot of respect and feel that the CPW does a great job managing their wildlife resources over there. They take it serious. And well that's another cannon wors. We want to look at that video show you guys want to know what this GoPro shot is. It's uh, it's the cameras mounted on like the strut of the plane, pointed towards the tail end, and like halfway between the strut um and the rear wheel, let's attached to the to the very back end of the of the tail of the plane, there is what looks to be like a it's basically just a shoot. An outcoming from the shoot is like at this point it looks just like a ball of vapor which used to be water before the shoot was open, and inside of it you can see it looks like a little black specks, but what they are is inch and a half long trout. They're falling out of an airplane. This, folks, is how Colorado CPW stocks their high country lakes is by airplane. Blows my mind. Oh you have never heard this. I'd heard of it, but you know, like sometimes you hear stuff without really thinking about yeah, you know, I mean like you're like, oh, whatever, I accept it, sure, but hadn't like actually thought like, well what am I accepting? What it? What it? What goes into it? Meaning that they would land and be like oh cool, I'm alive and this like just like watching that be I'm like, how in the world are they not just dead or dead? I know? Yeah, Well, they do a good job explaining why they're not dead or dead, which is that they're only an inch and a half long, so they don't have a lot of mass to them. They get down to they'd like to be at a hundred feet I think they said the space is a hundred fifty feet off the surface of the water when they drop them, and because there's so little, there's just a lot of you know, air resistance, and they're not like they're not plummeting like a you know, an object with more master You can kill somebody with a five pound trout, well, and the five pound trout would also hit the water and probably explode just like you would. But these suckers, yeah, they they talk about how they measure them out. Is that in your report? Uh, you mean about how they just how it's like they know per mill leader like a bucket, like a measuring cup. Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying. But they haven't figured out they know by a volume measurement how many fish are in there, so they know that whatever it is, there's three hundred inch and a half trout in a court of of inch and a half trout mass, right, So that I got they're counting them. Yeah, but yeah, they they go and get the row from high country lakes. So it's not like they're like making like putting in a non native fish, right. They go and get row from fish that are natives to Colorado, bring that down to a hatchery, raise them up till they're inch and a half long, and then basically transport those back up to these high country lakes. But they're putting them in some lakes that never had trout that may I didn't catch that in this article or the video, but I think they do. I think they do stock some lakes that never had a trout population. It's incredible. It's a lot of effort. Yeah, And because they're saying that, they think too that because the head has a little more mass is heavier than the rest of the body that they actually probably eventually end up pointing straight down and they enter the water that ways, as opposed to landing flat on their sides. Huh did they get into what um Mitch Petrie sentences, Did they get into what uh survival rate? Did not did not catch that, but they said it's very, very efficient compared to what it would take otherwise to stock these high country lakes, which would basically be by having to pack either on horseback or human back because a lot of this is wilderness. You know, there's no roads going up there, so you have to pack you know, aerated containers of water, um, which is takes a lot. Yeah, I see actually seen videos of them pack can trout in on horseback? Well, yeah, you remember Mike Rule, but he was telling us something about like can they air dropped trout into a wilderness area? I feel like you can't because remember Mike the helicopter thing, and they couldn't land the helicopter. They do the helicopter thing about home where I'm from on the Chattooga where Deliverance was actually filmed. The helicopter man to stock trout. Because Mike Rules talking about but that was the whole thing. It was about the whole helicopter deal land in helicopters and wilderness area you'd have a special permit. So you think you can air drop a trout? I think so. I used to fish lakes, alpine lakes in Colorado and wilderness areas that for sure got stocked this way they I just looked it up here. They stocked beavers in the frank Church. Yeah. Cal's covered that and we've talked about it, and that happened like oh time in and none of this surprises me after this one of those being real successful. Oh really, Yeah, sired like a whole population of beavers. The Idaho uh uh Fishing Game has a video of it on here. Yeah, i'd heard Cal talked about that. I had heard about that, and they brought some into re established populations in the frank Church after guys like Osborne Russell killed them all. But um, but this trout thing is just the thing that's always going on, Like, don't go how many how many lakes? How many lakes do they do? Uh? Three thirty lakes and Boulder, Grand Jackson, and Larmer Counties, which draw northern part of the state. Yeah, the Boulder County ones. I'm sure I fished some of those in the Indian Peaks builderness. Probably can you think of a utro, Yeah, he's doing on one. I would just probably do like a like a quicker, did he and then say, um, that was that's all, folks, that's a oaks. Um. What was interesting, and they did a nice way of getting out of their little article here, is that they decided to add in that that from when they're in an inch and a half long, it takes them two years to become ten inches long, which is which is the minimum size limit to keep a trout in the state of Colorado. So don't go rushing out there right now, folks, you can't. It's not like back in uh and the Carolina Taylor was just talking about there's not much to catch there right now, but in two years two years is an inch and a half to ten inches. I would never guess that. I think it's because it's lakes are so still. A lot of them are sterile. They just grew there and they have such a short growing season. They're us No, I would say that have taken five years. Oh open those sterile ass, cold ass, and remember reading something about that in the hut. That's usually. I've seen some some fly guys that get these real remote you know, alpon lakes and they're catching smaller trout and it's like, you know, you know, home fish are covering nice months a year. You know. I think that periodically win or kill, which is why they stock them this way, Like every few years they'll restock a lake because they win or kill. That's why they do at home. They summer killed at home. It's too hot. Uh, we just had our Oh you got the ultro? Yeah, can you heit real quick? Yeah? Man, tell you are really playing ball. I'm trying. I'm trying to appreciate, appreciate. I would I would not go in a wildly different direction for the ultro. I was like, your manager, oh go in the water direction or don't whatever whatever comes to your mind. Where everything. My kids are having to do their first book report touchtles, but it's like power point now, like they have to do slides and pictures and that. Yeah, it's not we had to do. But we were talking the other day how you have to have an end, you know, and she's like, well, fine, it's gonna write the end. So there's that slide. Yeah, I think you can keep it simple. Keep it simple, all right? When I because when I'm hearing is like I'm we either play something a little to to you know, um, I'm hearing like when I'm hearing a little ditty is something like, you know, something funky y'all want? Oh no, that sounds a great outro. Huh you pulled out a little closer seth there too. Okay, So he does his book report video really really important. Well, you gotta say something. Oh forgot about that? What should I say? Thank you? Johnnie. It's a great book report and it's kind of like that free Pluto TV like news segment you saw in high school that kind of you know that kind of I don't remember that, but I got you. Oh man, that puts a nice rap on it. Man, if you are happy with that, I'm happy. That was great. That was great. We just had um youth. Uh does a youth duck season? I think a lot of states do this, right, Yeah, youth in my home state of Michigan, Youth dear season is such a thing that I was texting with a buddy mind Tim back home, and he's sending me trail camp pictures of box and he's he's not joke when he said this. He says, I hope these two make it through youth season. Yeah, Like there's a lot of people that do you know that like hunt through their kids. Yeah, they're like, oh but like that one, that one, Yeah that makes sense, you can picture it. Parents are like that with everything. If you found a giant buck and yet youth your seeson coming up, of course you can be like, no, listen, junior, see I'm playing this game. I'm playing on low. Like I'd almost be like, no, you can't shoot that buck, just to get him started out right, Yeah, you duck. And I took my boy out to a friend of mine's property who has like a beauty like a water fowl property. He is a duck fanatic and has like a sweet property for hunting ducks on maybe one of the sweetest ones in the mean, probably like one of the coolest duck things. It's a great spot. And he didn't And what was kind of funny is I remember him saying like now and then they have like a little youth opener event or something. So I was like enquiring because he said something like, oh, you know, when you kick gets all or whatever. I thought. He said we had a youth open event. I inquired with him about what that was the thing, and he said, why wouldn't even be in town, but if you want to take your boy out there, so no one's around, and like the ducks have been shot at all year, right, it ain't even like regular season, Like no, you don't hear any shots anywhere on youth duck opener. And we put decoys out in dark and we got there fifteen minutes early and it was like legal light with sixty and he's just like, like very interesting in what time it was, because some ducks are landing out in front of us, and at this point no different than you know most folks we hunt with very eager for it to turn the right time. And I'm like, just to kick him off. I allow him to, uh, we have one right out in front us, and I'm like, okay, you know, you can go ahead and in Arkansas, you know, and he are and he like snakes the barrel out of the blind in Arkansas, this duck nevery moves, you know. And then I'm like, hey, that's that's that's that, Like you got one now, it's you're gonna learn how to hit him out of the air, you know. And he just the one duck's coming in and I'm like, hey, go you know, but the ducks aren't that wise. Yeah, they're not spooky yet. So he like drags it out long enough for basically the duck is like landed by the time he shoots and gets that duck. Then a while later one just comes in from behind us and before he can get on it lands in the thing. And I said, hey, listen, now here's what you're gonna do. Get ready, I want you to step out of this blind and go jump it yo hey or whatever and jump it and shoot it flying away and practice that. Don't want to jump, no, he just seeks out there, hey boom. But then then I was getting little irritated with him because he's shooting sitting ducks because I was saying, yeah, because it's like it's like, you know, you know, our friend, like he's right, yeah, he's like he likes he likes all, he appreciates the sort of he likes ducks done. The duck wait like that, know, but I think he gives he probably gives everybody a pass. He was very excited, but I was also like, every first duck I've ever heard of has been shot on the water. He shot his first duck on the water. I thought it would be good for him to take this opportunity of ample shooting to learn how to do some wing shooting because later in the year ducks aren't gonna do this anymore. Yeah, and he shot plenty of pigeons out of the air, so he's got some wings, street pigeons, clay pigeons. I'm like, take, like, there's birds flying, Let's take the opportunity in a stress free environment, you being the only gun in the blind to do some wing shooting. Anyhow, eventually I look and here comes four Canadas and you know, like just they're flying so slow that it looks like they couldn't stay in the air, and they're coming at us, you know, and like later to season be like, well, surely they'll the dec aways all flair him, or they'll lift up high. And they keep coming and I'm looking at like coming and coming, and I'm like, oh my god, he's gonna get like the world's like, you know, twenty five yards off the deck, like flying unbelievably slowly directly over our head and uh, he pulls up boom, just drops one. I said, hold, I said, holding out from his bill right when you shoot, and he boom, just drops one. And I was stunned. He wasn't even kind of stunned, but I was totally stunned. And then he shoots again and he's like, I got that other one, and I'm and I'm like, I just you know, I never listen to anything he says, so I didn't believe him that he got the other one. And that's just in one of her now at the other and we got the goose and took pictures and had all kinds of good times. He keeps talking about getting the other one, getting the other one, and I'm like, where is it, you know, geese. It's like a big pond out in front. There's no goose laying on it. And we get all done hunting and we go over and he's still talking about it. We go there and there's that goose running away, jumped up in the bushes, and we're gonna start listening to him because one day we're doing some we're catching some beavers for a guy friend of ours, and we walk out of our friends place and my kids like there's a coyote and then looking out seeing any Kyle and I'm like, Jimmie, come on, caught that crap out. He turns around like there's a weasel, and I'm like, James, listen man that look. I was like, oh, there's a weasel. No, I instinctively don't believe them. I don't know what it is. He's seeing stuff you're not you're you're maybe you're you're visual acuity is fading. That absolutely is man. So yet last night we took his water fowl and we cut up one of the geese. So we caught up two brass and we're brining it for marinating it for jerky. We took the legs of all the geese and the legs of all the duck and we're curing that for Confie. And then he wants to save the rest just for regular dinner eating. So he's kind of working all those projects. He's measuring out all his stuff. Nice, yeah, acting very irritated, irritated about what they don't want to do. The work part. Oh, he doesn't know. He's a trigger man now, trigger man. He's like he's like a gun writer. Trigger man. What about just general uh, like gutting and measuring, like dry spice is not his thing? Yeah, not his thing. Did you guys pluck you know what? We started to pluck him, but it's so early in the year, like you can't barely tell. You know, this early in the year, you can't barely tell a green head. Yeah, um, because you know, they just molted and we started to pluck them. One just thin, it's just skin, very little fat. And then the geese were okay, but the ducks are very little fat and all that pin feather just it wasn't happening. We had to just pull we just we just pulled him. Yep, skinned him. I think you gotta wait a little bit. It's like canna last. They hunt ducks so early, you know up there, the ducks are all just like brown ducks. It's so hard to tell what the hell is going on. M Are these two? You think these are just resident birds? You guys are hunting for sure? Yeah, they're not mine, for sure. I wouldn't be surprised. A lot of these birds. Some of these birds hatched out of the egg on the very hatched out of an egg on the very place of your home. So Brody issue report about your bear hunting, your bear hunting adventures. It was good. It was super short. Yeah, I was like, you sent me a picture of bearing. I'm like, Bahamas, he's still at home. Yeah. I drove from I left Bozeman at like, I don't know, five thirty in the morning. So it's you know, twelve eleven, twelve hours to get to where I was hunting. Droll to collar Yep, Colorado. Hauled wolf down there, turned it loose probably yep. Exactly a great big one um wolf. But Canadianadian super Bowl they're already there. They're having pups in Colorado. Anyway. Um. Yeah, I got to where I was gonna camp, set up camp. It's about six in the evening by that point. Hiked up to a little spring fed water hole that was probably like got up there at like seven seven. Yeah, only taken a nap by now. I don't mind driving usually I don't mind it. Um and and it's like it was good to get out and hike after being that truck you know. Um anyway, sat down I was gonna try filming it. And before I could even get the little DSLR out um, I saw and three cubs rolled in and they messed around for ten minutes or so, and then she started getting real nervous, and I had when you say messed around, like the cubs were like fighting and playing in the pond and she was drinking water. They're just like chilled out, you know. Just it was cool. It was on the shady side of the mountains, so I think they're just in no rush, you know, to enjoy themselves. So that was fun watching them. But then she got all nervous and started huffing at her cubs and one cub ran up like took off. That was I guess the smart one, and the other two lingered and she pushed him up into the timber, and the wind was in my face, so I was like, man, there might be a boar coming in. And sure enough, like a minute later, a big jet black boar came in and I shot him. Was that boar up wind of her? Yes, m yeah. The wind was kind of for me, it was quartering left or right, so she was kind of The pond is at the base of this hill, so that wind was hitting the pond and then going up and he came from up above her. But man, she did not want to mess around with that boar because she had young cubs, like the little teeny puppy sized cubs. And yeah, that was my hunt. And that's that's the three jars of barre oil oil you gave me? How many jars you end up with? How he gave me a little teeny jars? I ended up? Yeah, half court jars. Um. I ended up with like three and a half gallons total. Yeah, we're gonna gallons quarts total? I think, does it make you happier? Sad that I gave one of those? My friend Laura happy? You know what I did? I took beats out of the garden and um and carrots out of the garden and and roasted them in that bear grease the same way you put olive oil on him. Put that bear grease on. It's clean, It's like it's you know, I've been doing everything like that potatoes in the oven, said, just put some bargrease on it. Wasn't really happy with that bargheras made. Apparently not I can redistribute that well, Um no, I got plenty of it to share. We couldn't. I couldn't go through all that stuff. Has anybody done cookies? Yet that's what I was just gonna say. I've done. I've done puff pastry with it in the past. Yeah, I haven't done any baking. I don't like to bake, though, I kind of quit. It's kind of a long process, but it's easy. I think what Joannice was talking about is if you get it too hot, or if you, like you said, go too long on those cracklings, because you want to squeeze like every bit of fat out of those things. And I think you've got to give up at some point when you're rendering it. Well, you know what people do? What I wonder I shouldn't say what people do. I know that you put a candy thermometer in there. I know. I've read processes for doing it where you actually do it in your oven so you have a better grip on the town. But you need to have oven that's reliable at low town. And I think it might but have heard people say, like, set the oven and put it in there, but with a candy thermometer, because then you can go for hours and hours and hours and not spike and not have temperature spikes. Yeah, but I've tried that, but I don't know. I haven't really calibrated it. But I don't know that ovens do a great job of like holding. I don't know if they do a great job of holding a low attempt like one seventy, but never messed with it. Um. I think probably if you ground it up, it might render out a little better because I just cubed it. You know. That's a good idea. Grind it and render it. You'd have to do it when that stuff's real cold, because it has like a low melting point. Like when I was skinning that bear. It was probably I don't know, it's in the seventies. It was hot and like that stuff melting at yeah, yeah, you know what. It would be a good idea. Man, take that snake oil here, do a taste test, put it in a little jar and right air oil on it. Then give it to someone and then later be like, hey, man, how'd you like to have bar oil? They'll send it to Clay Newcomb. See if they're like, that was the best ship I've ever eaten my entire life. Then well know, and my joints don't hurt anymore. My rheumatism cleared right up. See Osborne Russell suffers horrible rheumatism. Did he use snake oil? No, because but they don't have waiters, the trapping, oh, the end of the winter, trapping in spring, no waiters. So he would talk about in the cold weather, just the horrible ache was spending all those years in the water with no just getting used to being I bet your plenty of them didn't cheeze tough, tough dudes. So what else about your Is it bear meat? Good? Yeah? Man, it's great. You know there's probably eating those acorns down there, he had. I think you had just switched to him the berries had It was a drought down in Colorado so that it was like right at the tail end of berry season, and they're all dried up, most of them. And you know when oftentimes when not not that I have a bunch of experienced shooting bears, but they'll often let out a little turd when you shoot them. And his was that pasty, creamy kind of tan acorn poop. So he's not familiar with because I don't spend a lot of time in the acorn areas. I think that's why the bears get big in Colorado, man, because berries, And then they switched to those acorns and then if they're lucky, they find a carcass or two gambles open. Yeah, oak brush, yeah, huh. I killed a deer and Tuskigee National Forest in Alabama one time. Um My brother was going to grad school down in Auburn and he's discovered like the great deer hunting down there. And one time he was getting like five deer year down there, and we one time, I'll a greyhound bus from Montana to Alabama the hunt deer and we all got a buck. We're there for like I don't know, maybe a week Christmas break, and we all killed a buck on Tuskegee National Forest. I remember sitting up in a magnol your tree hunting deer. But anyways, shot a buck and pulled the stomach out. It was like a giant marble bag. It was just full of like he hadn't even chewed and swallowed. Like I almost killed a dog on that trip, on accident, not almost. I got down and got ready. We're like walking along. I'm looking down a power cut and I'm like, there's a deer. It was a great dane. Like what are the chances of that? Man? Yeah? The question I have is did you carry a gun on the Greyhound with like? Yeah, And I was so paranoid, man, I took it apart. I did that twice, super paranoid, took it apart and put it in a duffel bag. I bet you couldn't get away with that these days. A very paranoid, very very paranoid. But it worked out, you know what I'm telling a lie. I took my shotgun on the Greyhound to hunt ducks when we hunted deer. I was lying. I didn't do that. I didn't bring heap. I must used Danny. I don't know what it was. I took a shotgun when we the first time he went down there to hunt, or maybe it's a second time. One time I went down there to hunt ducks. One time I went down to hunt deer. I took a shotguns. Like two and a half day greyhound ride. We're seeing that? Ever happened to me? Yeah, it sounds like it, Taylor, probably just right about four or five six songs. Yeah, I'm hearing some good stuff. You gotta dip in now, I mean, I guess if we I guess you know you got one in there now? Yeah? You ever seeing songs about dipping. No, no, no, I'll leave that to the uh everybody else. You should write a song called full stadium. Full stadium? What's that mean? It's when you put dip on your upper end bottom lip. We call that a hug. Not like that? Better all R Yeah, Now regale us with stories from the Phelps Woods. Oh um, Yeah, I had a great hunt. It's interesting we uh you know, we got invited to a hunt a friend of ours private ranch. Uh for me, get how many thousands of acres? But there's a couple of thousand at least there to hunt and uh, my goals since I was going to hunt with at least yeah, my goal since I was going to hunt with Jason Phelps, who manufactures game calls and started with ELK calls. It's like, you know, like knows a lot about calling. ELK was who was guy on the planet. Yeah. I like him like bettered seth. Yeah, and I tell you you'll like him even more. Actually spend a week in hunting camp with him. Yeah, because I got to know him. You know, it's nice. He actually offered. I told him that you and I were holding on to some wyoming ELK points and he said, well, I think you guys have plenty of points to draw where I would like to take you and call for you next fall. Seriously, he seriously doesn't he want to tag himself. He just come and call. You're kidding me, not. I gotta ask, because you're you're usually on the other end of the calling thing. I gotta I gotta know. He's even better. He's even better than Yanni. Oh no, no, no, I'm saying Joannice is usually one due in the calling because he's Johnny's better than everybody else. I'm saying everybody else felt is better. And I want to know what it was like. It was wonderful just out there in my boat and my hand and the arrow knocked and uh, I was telling this someone else the I think it was the first bowl. Well, he called in a spike, and you know, spikes come in. You can't shoot spikes in Colorado, and I think the whole state there's I think there might be a couple of places where you can. Colorado. They gotta have four points on one antler or a five inch brow time to be legal. So usually when a spike comes in, you know, everybody kind of like it's like whatever, we'll mess with him for a few minutes whatever. So but the first branch chandler bull that he called it was a six point and we kind of a hasty set up. I didn't get hidden as nut as much as I would like me, because all of a sudden it was just like, really, we're we got in tight and he was right there because you're hearing him, yeah, yeah, yeah, he was bugling, and we we kind of ran in there. He was bugling the bulls responding to you or he was just bugling, because he's a little bit of both, but definitely responding to us. You know, we were locating him, so hustling there, we crossed kind of a draw holler, kind of a feature on the top of this big ridge, and um crept up through some kind of not super dance, but some dance. We were in open aspens and we had to go through some semi dance fur trees, and we popped up on a little bench, nice beautiful meadow, and you could tell it's kind of like a spot where you'd see some elk, you know, feed and doing their thing, and he's bugling on the far side of it, maybe at a hundred yards maybe and we really quickly are like, all right, let's treat that treat that tree. And I should have gone the tree number one, but it just didn't look big enough, and I went with tree number two, which had like four or five trees around it. I just would have been, you know, hindsight, but I would have been ten yards closer, and I maybe would have had this other, um like older type feature that would have blocked his view from me, because he ended up picking me out. But basically, as soon as I set up and you sat in front of the tree, and as soon as I set up, I see some cows feeding off to my left, like within bow range. And then I look up to the right, kind of up this meadow off the ridge, and I see more cows popping out of the woods feeding and this bold hugle, and so we're like in the circle right like it's gonna happen. Well, what's cool is that Jason is like, I don't know, fifteen feet off to my right, just kind of off the edge of them, you know, just the terrain drops off, and he's kind of tucked down to the base of a tree and he's like sitting there calling but then talking to me about like what the bulls doing, what he's doing to like manipulate the bull and sort of like narrating the thing, and the bull is doing exactly what Jason says he's gonna do. I'm like, Wow, this dude really knows what's up. Like he's not at all like shaking up by the situation. He's just very much methodically like looking at it, analyzing and making moves and making sounds and you know, making he's able to predict, so it's not it's not like just explaining what happened as though you know what you're talking. Yeah, well he's like trying things and he's like, no, that didn't seem to work, or he didn't bugle back at that sound, or he did, or that one made him start, you know, walking, because pretty soon we could see you know, the antlers coming from the far side, and uh yeah, I'm like, oh, this is gonna work out pretty good for me. But that one didn't because I wasn't covered up enough and at like six year seventy yards, the bull eyeballed me and didn't spook, but just turned nine degrees and kind of walked out of the meadow and went back, you know, as soon as he goes out of sight, he started bugling again. Didn't he didn't like it, so we kept chasing them. Um but yeah, so we basically chase that heard. There was I don't know, maybe three or four bulls bugle in chase until dark. Never got on him again. Uh. Founder a sweet camp site, just a really nice flattened bench on this big ridge we were on. It's interesting, one of the stillest nights I've ever spent in the woods. I mean just like not not once. You know how in the middle of night you always seem to wake up and you feel that cold breeze and it wakes you up and you gotta roll over and cover it up. I mean, just none of it. There was no thermal even just like still like I like, we were even like bust not our win checkers and you just puff it and it would just just sit there. And the old night was like that. So yeah, so in the morning we get up and uh, we figured we'd be hearing them from camp. Never heard a bugle all night. Started to get a little nervous, and then the morning we walk maybe I don't know two or three hundred yards and start doing location bugles and a bully answered us, and then we pretty immediately, pretty much immediately got right back into the herd. Jason called one in and he came behind again one of these sort of like older type thickets. They really love rubbing these, those older thickets. You know what I'm talking about. You don't see a lot of them old. Yeah. I sent it to my wife and she texted back that the resident botany stuff, and uh, they love rubbing them, but you don't see a lot of them there. But in like the moist little draw like a seat almost where there's a little more moisture. You always see these things. And he got a reddish inside to it, um orange reddish maybe you mean like when he's rubbing it, like when you get to the cambium layer, it's kind of it's like an ochre e color. Yeah. So his first all kind of comes in on the far side of one of these like masses. He was close, he's you know, ten yards or less. But as he's coming around behind it, you know, he sees something, you know, me at full draw sort of shake and probably and just never quite clears enough for me to let loose an arrow had some stuff covering up your shoulder and so, uh, we knew where they were heading to bed, or we thought we did, so we basically at that point we could hear bulls moving in that direction, so we kind of backed out of there, did a loop behind them. We're kind of coming up a ridge where it's not really so we're on a big ridge and sort of where the ridge drops off into steep, dark timber where we thought they had bed. We're running up that edge and trying to cut them off before they get into the timber, you know, and uh, we get in pretty tight. We actually think that they probably heard us. You know, we have four people you know, pushing it to get in there. The bull that I shot probably heard us coming and probably thought, oh, that's you know, more elk joining this, you know group that we're in. So we got in there again under a hundred yards Jason bield a couple of times, and you could just see this bull start walking down and he might have been ten yards off this edge that I keep referencing, and he's threws sort of like an alleyway through the woods that he was coming down, and uh, he stops it maybe like forty and I can't see him and Jason's like he's at forty. I'm like, yeah, I know he's somewhere in there, but I don't have a lane. And then a few seconds later he's like, okay, he's walking again, you know, So I drew then and then I could see him pop out. He's walking kind of slightly quarter in two. And then it's amazing how those animals like when you call, they't know what tree that call came from, Like they know where you're standing, because he's walking, walking, and kind of looking down the alleyway, and then right in this little gap that we're standing in looking out into the alleyway, it's like as soon as he's parallel with that, he turns to look right in there. It's like that's where that bulls should be that I heard buglin right, So he turns right in there, and uh, you know, up until a couple of days prior to that, I probably never would have taken a frontal shot on an elk, meaning like shooting him straight in his chest. You know. I was always gonna wait for broadside or quarter in a way. And Jason told me that he killed last four out of five of his bulls taking that shot, and uh, so this bulls rolls in it like we think it's fifteen or sixteen yards, and right at the end he pretty much turned, so he's straight on with me at all. There's no quartering anymore at all. And I'm thinking to myself, well, let's be a good opportunity to try this, and so I let loose. Jason hadn't even told me. You know it basically aim right where the color changes, where that main ends, and sort of that brisket starts, and that arrow disappeared inside of him, and before he spun, you know, you could see the blood spurting out. Jason bugles once and then right when his bugle ends, you just hear this loud crash which was him running into an aspen and then kind of crashing across these fallen logs that were falling aspen logs that were on the ground. And uh, I'm guessing he was dead in three to five seconds. Really yeah, I mean, just so so fast? How do we just stepped out into that alleyway that I described that he walked down. We would have seen him. He went seventy yards from where I shot him. We could have seen him piled up. But you know, you never know, and so we just said, you know what, let's just PLoP down right here. We'll give it forty five minutes and then we'll go. Look. But yeah, we could have just stopped out there and walked right up to him. I mean he was dead instantly. Nice. Yeah, So um, film the whole damn thing. Oh yeah, some great, great footage that. Yeah, we got good footage. So yeah, we probably called in. I don't know Jason, but I think called in including that spike four or five bowls for me, and then I called in one for him. And the remaining two days that we had got him close, but sixteen yards he just wouldn't step out from behind us. He was at full draw for a long time, two or three to the point where Jason had to let down because he was a full draw for so long. So he'll take us, he'll he'll go and and uh, if we use our wyoming points, he'll go with us. That'd be fun, man, very fun. No, it's great, great hunting with him. He's he's a real pro. Um. We had a blast. What do you think about all that? Taylor? Recall I heard one thing that perked my hair ears up Jericho Bush steep, dark timber that somewhere in there. I don't know if it's a song. This in there somewhere. All Right, you're gonna you're gonna you're gonna rip out you got anything you gotta add, then you're gonna rip out your tune for us. Oh yeah, yeah, you're gonna add. I've somebody I've been. I've always grew up more fishing, just because that's what my dad and I did. I've been hunting twice, uh, and I'd love to do some more of it. Just never had the opportunity to always uh just fishing, you know. Um always seemed to be I never had any lessons in it, you know what I mean. But I've had two people take me out. I seem to like the more moving around, like we did some rabbit hunting, you know, Yeah, sitting in the stand before. I definitely the first time I went fell asleep and knocked my head on the front thing, and I was like, yeah that moving around a little bit. Uh. You live in Nashville, Yeah, yeah, I been there two years now, so it's been a it's been a great two years. Is it a good Is that a good move for aspiring musicians? Uh, that's the wild thing, man. It's all I feel like what I'm doing with my music is very organic because a lot of people they want to be, you know, the next this or that, and they like, oh, you gotta move to Nashville. Make it. It's like, oh you always hear like that song on the ride? Yeah, yeah, it's good to man, David Encore, right, yeah, and uh it's about going to Nashville. That's like one of those things. I never moved there until I had my first publishing deal. So I played in sang my first ever gig January and had a publishing deal with a major company that September, and still didn't even move there, and uh, you know it funded me. I stayed back in South Carolina to get this bad boy right here. I always wanted to. I thought you had some guitar. It was in a burning house or something. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Um that's what the wild story is. When I was about X I, I got drum set. My dad, he's a carpenter, and he spent three years of his off time building this two story log cabin. We only got to live in for a few months, and uh, let me know, on the sad part hits. Yeah, oh yeah, it's about to hit. I do a little and uh moods setting. And so one day I was at school and uh, the house caught on fire and it burned everything we had, and the male truck came up with my first guitar and he's like, I almost didn't bring this up, but I figured somebody needed it, and that's all I had. And as they say, the rest is history. What do you think of that accompaniment? That's good? It's like and when you're watching one of those short films and it gets to like a sad part. And when I got the diagnosis and the music will be like in the arms of the Angel when the doctor called with the diagnosis, our hearts just sank like that, right there, Steve. Okay, so you're gonna play us some newso yeah, yeah yeah. Oh So do you sell music to other music? Have you sold a song to another musician? I know, but a lot of that I have the market too with the publishing deal. So a lot of people in my field, you know, they I'm more of an artist side of things, So I write all my own stuff and uh, which that's not something you look to do. Yeah, just because Um, I don't know. It's so it's one of those things that the way my mind works and how I write and how I play is so not setting me apart in difference. It's just so different. It's not necessarily what selling. But yeah, so like somebody let myself. Um, you know, they go in and they write, you know, at least two times a week, if not more, and uh, you know they might pitch that to Jason Audine and get something like that. But uh, you know, I just I love language too much play on words for that to be you know, coming through the radio. But I mean the peers I worked with, you know, Keith Urban songs and Buddy Dave Panish, he was the first person I ever co wrote a song with. And uh he's written you know, American Ride the Key, Uh, all kinds of stuff, Keith Urban stuff. And it's wild because like my mom grew up loving Keith Urban's like early stuff. And now to see you know, we'll play a gig at the Blueberry Cafe, which is pretty special place in Nashville, and she gets to see the people, the stories behind and meet them and it's like, at least I'm making it a little bit proud you know what I mean. Good? Yeah, yeah, now stay close to that mike. Yeah, well you'll dig this one. So this one, this tune tune, new brand, new tune. So y'all heard it first. This one ain't even that's it's gonna be on the new record. I know they probably don't let me playing stuff that I ain't out, but um, y'all get to y'all get to hear this, and first it's a good one. It's called black Powder Soul. Black Powder Soul, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I do. Women throw themselves at you when they see in the airport. Um, I usually have a big Pelican case, like from like, because this nice guitar. You don't just be slinging this, you know, pretty easy. So people like what is that in that case? And they always asking when I walk through. People think it's like a a K forty seven or something. So once I gets through, when I get through, they're like, what is that? And I always like, it's my samurai sword, you know, and just throws people off. It's I try to be dry humor and it's sometimes I just don't connect. But anyway, here's this. It's a new tune called black Powder sat m wool soldier. I'm a lawless man. Don't play pook since that stint spooke cane over some boomling moon shine my bathtub gin. That's why I'm I. Oh over under is my only friend. Oh you black powder, black powder soap. I got dark clouds above me. Oh yeah, the fire is blue, my heartest botten in my blood drowns cold. I got a black pounder, black powder sold m Oh you can run them tables, you can't outrun them cowboys and hustlers holding a steel wheel hand. The best blood money is what keeps you fit when there rain run. He stole with black powder, black powder soup, got dark clouds above me in the fire blue, my heartiest fod my blood brown's cool. I gotta black powder, black pounder, soup, black powder so right here, right here in the ticker. Loved it great again? Sounds awesome? Oh no, it's great. That's my favorite song. Man. You I like the over undertouch. That's like insider people don't because most people be like double barrel people people are. That's this kind of interesting point is people are always curious about the song where you know? Is it the words of the you know? And it's just it's a hard thing to explain. Like that tune itself took three days to write. And so like the first two verses, I keep give you a little insight on it. It might help with that process because any anytime somebody like a songwriter tries to explain it, you know, it's this. It's it's one of those things like how can you explain something that has you know, infinity possibilities down to the letter? You know? And uh, you know, the first I started with the line I'm a warless soldier, I'm a lawless man. You know what does that put in your head? You know, like this guy he ain't seen the war, but he's a lawless man. He's like he's he's out here in Bozeman running around shooting something, you know what I mean? And uh yeah, just kind of uh the course of that black powder soul, you know, that kind of tied everything up of this. Um, I don't know. I just love this kind of Western vibe of you know, you get you get kind of like Western you know, Wills, you know, something like that. And uh yeah, so like um, the over un or stuff. It's uh, I hadn't done a stint in Spokane. But damn, that's a good line, you know what I mean. Yeah, if you're writing a song and someone's got to do a stint somewhere else over my bathtub gin, you know what I mean, That's that's cool. Yeah. Well thanks man, Yeah, man, thank you all for having me. Wish you the best luck of your career. Thank you. Yeah, I heard, I heard that you're gonna become really famous. Man. I hope we can make your money and get a little place over here in uh Paradise Valley. And yeah, you have someone, uh, you have a music business person who you can't he really uh is enthusiastic about your talent. Man, It's all worked out. That's why I say it's down to the tea of doc. I'm I'm I'm made to do this, I believe because I would have never I thought I was gonna be a fishing guy the rest of my life. You know. And uh, the people I've met, you know, only idiots do that, right, Brody. Yes, the guy that you're talking about, you know, we uh he met it like. I was playing one of my first places in Nashville and that night I met my manager. He was to this day him and uh got my publish until that night. The guy from the company, he stayed in the green room with us till four o'clock in the morning, listening to songs, and he was like, you know, telling me what he's gonna do. And I was like, yeah, man, I ain't gonna ever see this guy again. And so I went back to working construction because that's what I did for I moved up there, and sure enough he called me and he's like, you know, we're gonna get you up here. And it's like, man, you know what I mean, hold you three? You got playtimes? Yeah, saith oldenough to be your daddy. Man. Everybody is yeah, well, yeah, hopefully we'll get to come see you live when live shows or a thing again. Definitely. I'll be like I knew that some of a bit ya he was singing when he was singing intros and nowatrolls for y man, that's y'all stomp me for a minute, but now I get what y'all talking about. Yeah, that's great man. Best luck to you, Thanks for coming on the show, Thank you for having me. Thank you very much. Taylor McCall. How people are gonna find you? Taylor McAll. You can go on Taylor McCall dot com and we just uh we got the online store for if you want to get a t shirt and have something that's good. Um, we you can find me on Instagram, Taylor McCall music and everywhere else. But the tune you just read, the tune you just not you didn't read it. That's a writer language. The tune you just played is not available, only available here if you like what you heard. There were recording the album in November, and it'll be out here soon. So and that song will beyond that and where this version is better than that. Yeah, I was. Originally there was this tune Quartermaster, Um that's coming out and um, I was like, man, they gotta hear some black powder. So today Quartermaster is a great name for a song. Now it is. I wrote it as uh, it's kind of this, um kind of this guy goes to war and it's the uh you know how usually the husband dies, you know, well he comes back from war and Quartermaster kind of you know, he wasn't a chopper gunner. You know, he was handing out sleeping bags and um, he come back and his his his wife died. So I was kind of hold up and on this lake in isolation, that's where I'd love to write. And this huge bookcase I was writing out and I picked up picked up a book and Tyler the book was Gentleman Swords and pistols. And that spiraled into like this whole song about that. And you know that's what writing songs is, you know what I mean to me, it's like taking that one thing and turning it into you know, like that story and just an imagination. I got a crazy brain. I guess that's great, man, keep it crazy. Thank you, all right, thanks a lot to them, a call check them out, uh by some starff from them, sweet hats, listen to music. The new album is called what uh nothing, I'm not sure yet. Yeah, you haven't named it. It's coming out, Yeah, it's coming out and includes black Powder song. Yeah, we got so many songs just whiittling down you know what I mean? Black Powder? Yeah, I might do some like back up on that. Hell yeah all right, guys, thanks a lot, say