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The MeatEater Podcast
Ep. 187: Tripping on Bear Skulls
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Steven Rinella talks with Anthony Licata, Doug Duren, Ryan Callaghan, Phil Taylor, and Janis Putelis.
Subjects discussed: drinking curdled mother's milk from a calf's stomach; bluegills on dip; Steve's sebaceous cyst as fish bait; the Fort Keogh gate situation; clearing the air with Doug over CWD; Cal's bugles; crunch-pfff; what happens when an elk falls off a cliff; Matt “MacGyver” Rinella kills a bull with the button from his pants; hunting with a marching band; “it’s legal!”; and more.
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Speaker 1: This is Me Eat podcast coming at you shirtless, severely bug bitten and in my case, underwear lessening podcast. You can't predict anything presented by on X. Hunt creators are the most comprehensive digital mapping system for hunters. Download the Hunt app from the iTunes or Google play store. Nor where you stand with on x Oh, Yanni? Can you tell everybody about your road kill moose story? Sure? Can? Steve? Go ahead? I was on my way home hard day of work. Yeah, it was late, actually it was that after six beautiful day though. I remember because I was in my shorts and a short sleeved shirt and at that time of the night it was still nice and warm. I was actually on my way to meet my neighbor because is the post production team needed a piece of metal, um, sheet metal or something of the like to put underneath some food that they were going to be shooting, and they wanted a different background. And as you know, my neighbor, Okay, you gotta plug his business right anyone living in there. Barton of Southwest Montana, Barton Fabrication, You need any sort of welding, cool metal work type done. Steve had a what's that thing called it's a long list. He made my three sixteen inch thick garden boxes on a welded steel plate, which your coolest ship. Yeah, they looked nice. He made. He he does like fancy houses, I should point out, but I have him do like low grade stuff. So he did that. He we. I had a stainless steel trompo, which is like when you're in Mexico and I got the the big thing of pork that spins on a spindle and you order a taco and a shave off to take like a machette and shave off hunks of meat onto a street taco. I think more people would uh understand it though, if you just said, like a hero, like if you had a Greek place and you look in the back and there's that big hunk of meat, because that's where you like to go for vacation. I don't. I've never been. I'd love to check out Greece, though, but I'm just saying that most people would. That's that's what you think of when you think of a big hun good spinning meat. Yeah, well no, sure if you do. Growing up in Missoula, Montana, there were three euro places like yeah really yeah, a cropolis Greek, and they all had a trumpo. Then it called a trumpo. They probably call some Greek thing. Yeah, yep, correct. How would you say it if you're goofing on like a trompolo trumpo trumpolo, and if you put a Greek spin on it, trumpoppopoca. So he yeah, mine was hand crack. You had to hand turn. Ronnie Bain made it. We used it once at my wedding, but it was hand turned, and so he retro fitted it for a He retro fitted it for a Rotistrie motor, did a beautiful job of it. Then he made me twelve des and I haven't do a lot of stuff's way beneath him. He made me twelve snare supports, So weldon galvanized wire on the rebar so that you pound the rebarn to the ground in position the wire right where he wanted to hang beaver snares whatever you're snaring um. And and now he's doing something doesn't require welding where because he's got a hoist. He's helping me mount uh Honda jet onto my hog island shallow water skiff nice. And meanwhile he does all kinds of fancy house stuff spartan fabrication. He is. We can go on and on about this guy. I mean he I'm so lucky to have him as a neighbor. He is the world's best neighbor. I mean he just he's a fire chief. He's a higher achieved so he's like home half the time. And when he's at home, it's like any problem you could think of at your house. You're like, hey, Travis, uh my chains got one of these? Come on down, you know, just bring the truck over, We'll put on the lift. We'll just take those wheels right off. Right now. That's not true though, because he failed us on a thirty six inch chainsall bar. Yeah, you're offered up a cross cut saw. Ye if you can't help you out. He has a good sense of humor. Um. But yeah, in my house for our remodel, I mean there's a ton of Travis bartin work handrails. Um. What do you call the pieces? The ballusters? You know that all that is Travis is there's some I beams in there, some shelving. My whole kitchen table countertop is made out of steel. And I can't tell a good world. But anybody that's ever come over that must have some sort of background in welding. They look at that table and they go, whoever did this knows their ship. That's funny because Doug Dering took a look at my garden boxes and the first thing he said is he made a joke about the worlds, meaning like he made like a reverse joke, commented on the shitty welds meaning holy sh it, kind of like a dirt like a dirt joke. Yeah, like he basically he was saying, like, what a phenomenal weld, but instead of saying that, he acted like he was. He was like, it must have been this guy's first day. Yeah, yeah, you know I'm doing a horrible job. Yeah, yeah, we get it though. So I was on my way to Travis's house and um, right when I pulled off the pavement, I forgot we're talking about yeah, talking about my road kill moose, um travishes. They're waiting for me on the dirt, which I thought was odd and specifically waiting for you. Yeah, because he I was going to his house to meet him, so he knew I was on the way, and uh, he walks up to my truck and he just says, uh, you want to moose. Kind of caught me off guard, and but I quickly put two and two together, and like you, I could I look down the road maybe a hundred yards and I could see a blue four pickup trucks sitting down there and pick up was it as as a raptor rafter? Yeah? And um, what's the reputation that? Like when you see someone driving a raft? What do you do you have like a thing like oh, he like I think they have a bigger gas budget than I do, just generally, probably bigger budget because I don't think that's a cheap truck. No, but I'm not because I was about a regular old F one fifty a year ago. Yeah. Man, you should have gone raptor because yeah, because it goes faster. Yeah. I like go nice and slow. Yeah me too. I have no use for a raptor. They both probably go equally as fast. One just excel at rates. I like to accelerate slowly, kind of more angry looking, more aggressive looking. Yeah, well I am angry. Something that's prime for like big sticker on the back window. Our buddy JA runs one. He likes that truck. Yeah, loves it. Go on, big big truck. Yeah, One of the first things he said is, I was contemplating going to look at this moose. He's not much damage on the raptor. I'm thinking, well, you know, that's probably good. Good for your Yeah, good for the mouse. Probably not much damage on the moose either. He said it was a calf um that had been hit, so we went to check it out. And Uh. I had one other experience, which I've told you before about with picking up road kill. Buddy of mine, Jimmy and Colorado once had gotten one from a herd that had been demolished by I think actually a bunch of honeywagon trucks. And he pulled up and they actually had a four trucks carrying honey or carrying porter potties. Uh, just disposal trucks, you know, I ain't. The company in Veil was called racking Um. Anyways, a bunch had been knocked off the interstate and they actually had like a bucket truck or something. There's loading elk into people's trucks and um Jimmy Miller, Yeah, Jimmy Miller, who once found a buck tangled up. I think you only unbail, hey, like a guy might unbail hay and throws all the corriage into a pile. Wasn't that what happened? Yeah, that's right. And found a buck all tangled up in the corridage, you know, and went down here and caught it free. And then the buck trying to kick his head once he got it freed up, you know, fell right into his plan. So there are Um. Well, but back to Miller's story real quick. When we went I went to his house to help him peel that thing out, and it was just when we peeled out, it was purple from knows the tail peeling it out being a yeah, and uh so we turned as much as of it as we could into dog food. And I don't think any of it was fit for human consumption. And so I was a little little leary, you know, going into it. But I looked at this calf moose. Um, it's unfortunately I much I had the moose running around. We've been watching it, you know, since it was born. You know, the thing was probably only six to eight weeks. I didn't catch that either. You were familiar with this particular girl, Yeah, we had seen it maybe two days earlier. Oh really, I didn't know she had to she had twins. This is part remember the story I told about how I saw the cow elk come and cut that one calf out from underneath the cow moose with the two remembered it. Really, I'm sitting there watching a cow moose one night with her two babies. They come up the dirt road and they kind of get off on the edge and they're feeding along and out like my periphery, I see something running and down the hill comes the cow elk, and it's getting dusky. She comes down, goes right up to him and then just stands there and kind of an aggressive pose, and uh, I didn't know what to make of it, you know, and the cow moose just sort of pined her ears back, but like became subordinate, definitely didn't stand up to this cow elk. And the cow elk sort of starts chasing him a little bit. It's like half play but half aggressive, and she sort of starts cutting between the two uh calves, and again these guys are like they looked like they took their first steps a week ago, you know, and uh, it's getting darker. But eventually the cow moose runs up the hill with one of the calves and the cow elk stayed with one of the calf. Moose pedophile kidnapping. It was like that. Yeah, it was like it was like in humans, you know, thought You're like, oh, she must have lost her her cow elk or her cow her elk calf, and now she's trying to pick up another one from this moose. You know who knows. But it was very odd, very odd animal behavior. Then Anthony, better introduce yourself real quick, because, uh, you don't join us all the time. I'm Anthony Locata. I'm editor in chief here at meat Eater. There you go, olcome. Thanks, Yeah, nice to have you first Meteator podcast. Yeah, yeah, I've been, uh but you sat with us the other day. Ye sat the other day, And I've been on a honey collect a couple of times. But I've been working remotely for the first couple of months here in the job. But finally I'm here in Bozeman, so you'll be able to editorialize. Yes in chief, you've been oh um, so yeah, it's some history with uh, with this calf. So there we are for ye and uh, it looks like the calf has like a blow to the head and then one of its back legs is you know, broken flopping like below the knee and otherwise doesn't look messed up at all. There's not a lot of blood on the road. Chaffs is like, literally, well, now, why did he not want it? He's not a big hunter, not a big wild game guy. Um. His daughter had actually witnessed it happened. It was kind of traumatic for her. She's I don't know, not quite high school age. Um. So I was like, well, do you want some to meat? He's like, well, yeah, I just but just don't tell my daughter where it came from, you know. Um. So I'm gonna get him some meat. But yeah, that's just not his style, you know, not his style um eating stuff he found dead on the side the road. Yeah, but I don't. I just don't think they eat a lot of while a game in that house. He's too busy welding fires. Um. So yeah, I checked it out and uh sort of uh talks to Chavis about what it would take to get it. I kind of knew the steps, and I said, well, let me just call highway patrol. I think that's who I called. And the Chavis kind of guy again to sort, you know, build his character out a little bit. I'm like, yeah, I'll call high Control and he just rattles off the number. Um. So I call him and the guy says, yeah, man, really easy. Just go onto the fish and Wildlife website and there's an application, fill it out and make sure it's filled out and submitted within like twenty four hours. Have at it, um and so we uh, I try to put it into the truck as it was, it was too heavy for us to just two men get into the back of the truck. So I gutted it right there on the median. I'm sorry the shoulder. You got a good point. It seems only a few months old. Yeah, maybe not even two months old. Huh yeah, the sweetest, that's an insane amount of growth. Oh, it is too amazing, amazing. Yeah. I think about what that cow must have to do to produce those calories, to have two of them, you know, putting on that kind of weight. Yeah. And I mean, you're the my mental picture of your neighbor as he not a small dude either, nice tough guy. Beat his ass. What amazing amount of growth. So I got it right there, slide the guts down off the office shoulders. Kind of a steep embankment goes down into the ditch grassy area. Kind of we slung her in there. When did the uh, you know, like I said, the permit application there online and I don't know, thirty minutes later they sent me an email and said, here's your salvage permit. Oh so no physical inspection, Nope, no, no. Um. There was actually a I think she was a sheriff. Maybe that rolled in while we were working on it. She might have been there right at the end to kind of help push a little bit to get the moose in there. And she didn't have much to say about it. She said that good for you. Correct now the the awful, the guts um with that salvage the law. Yeah, I was gonna, what are you asking about that? With the alvage permit? Right, aren't you supposed to remove anything that could attract other animals too? There's something to that. Oh, that's the logic behind that. And you put that together. They they don't want like the bears, they don't want them to bear and then you got like this whole vicious cycle. Yep. I was wondered. Word. I felt like like they didn't want people to see a gup popper honest, is just downloading salvage permits all year Long's I got bear moves on spot my truck Scott like two or fifty miles on it, so you know with another ding. But you broke the law by leaving the gut pile there. Yeah, yeah, as I call it in the morning, and they said, yeah, next time, you know, take the guts too, and um, don't leave me on the side of the road. Otherwise you're all sat man. So yeah, we let it. We butchered it up that night quartered in got Luckily a neighbor of mine had an empty fridge that was turned on sitting in his Uh, it wasn't completely empty. He has beer. Say you might have an energy efficiency chat with that fella. Yeah, he's got some beer in there staying cold. But we moved some things around were easily able to get the whole moose in there. Yeah, let's sit for a week and then butchered it the next weekend. And uh, I gave you a package of the ground. Did you eat it yet? Somebody can't believe you just sent me like a package. I mean, that's great, thank you, but just the package of ground, huh. I want to be fair. On the text message chain, you were like, no, I'm not gonna come help, but I'll take the tender lines. Yeah, and I uh, I will admit. Also, your honest called me right away and he's like, hey, if you can, you want to come up and help. Did you ask for help? Yeah, just with the uh just cutting it up. You specifically asked for help when I said no, no, no, no, no, just coult yeah, and I felt like trying to cut me out. Hey, fill the engineer, What do you think about all this? I think it's I've never had moose you. I think you were about to go into the taste of of the ground right, yeah, just as NUIs in general. The smell before we even butchered it. I gotta talk about this because it was the like the sweetest, most like grassy fresh cut hay, like to the point where it's almost like so pungent that it might turn some people off. But I think once you get through the pungentness, you just realize it's just like this sweet grass smell. And I don't know if it's from the eight the extreme young age of the animal, or if it was just his diet at that time. It was definitely hanging. Yeah. But and and that meat definitely it's nowhere near as pungent, but it definitely carries that palette with it. You know what you can tell me if you wanted to impress the hell out of me, you tell me that you drank the curdled mother's milk from its stomach. Yeah. Sorry, I'm not gonna impress lose again. Um. Yeah, so I got a I mean, I bet I didn't weigh it, but I bet you we yielded um, well over a hundred pounds. Are you serious? Yeah, more meat than you would have gotten off a big meal in your buck. Yeah it was you. No, it was definitely like a small to medium cow elk. That's impressive. I think I will take a little bit of that. Yeah, No, there's plenty. I don't know why I only threw in the ground. Maybe because that's always looking at when I was getting your turkey and the ground was sitting right next to it. Yeah, because I remember giving you some real nice uh hell of it flas flames, choice cuts, choice cuts. I wasn't like, hey, here's the guts off some salmon, Steve's choice cuts. Um good, good on that quick nipple biting story. They flood in. You wear this ant and they flood in. Guy guy was sitting in the lake. I think it's a Massachusetts. He wrote in we had talking about other people getting their nipples bit by fish um, which started out, we're talking about a woman tearing her nipple on. She wrote in that she tore her nipple on a barbwar fence. It was a mass and then all these nipple injuries and she was in a hurry to go hunting, got like some kind of she got out of some kind of athletic event and was trying to get out in the dove field hop the fence gas or nipple. She said. Her ex husband called its scarface. She said, she's got me like a fish if I gave her name, which I never did, like her. Uh. And then more nipple stories came in, but the most recent one is a guy was he was sitting in the lake in Massachusetts with his future with with who is now his wife, and he said they were doing that thing where you got your elbows kind of like up on a dock. You picture I'm saying, like hot tub style, Yeah, hot tub style in a lake, elbows up on dock and all a sudden now looks now as nipples bleeding all over. What's funny is he do must not know a hell of a lot about fish, because he said he thinks it could have been bluegills because he had seen Here's the story gets weird, but I believe every bit of it. He had seen some guys spitting dip spitting tobacco juice into the water on the same dock, and bluegills are eating it. So he figures, you know what, this sound looks like a good place for me, my gal to go soak a minute. But know that it happened before. Yeah, I understand he's aware that there's so he's I feel like a bluegill. But a blue guild does not draw blood. A blue guild does not bite your nipple and draw blood. So there's got to be a kind of a b test go It's like, well, we are blue gill more aggressive with a healthy dose and nicotine. Oh that's a good point. Maybe they get so jacked up. I'm but I think that that, yeah, there's blue was around. I think there's a north around Northern Pike, and I think the Northern Pike gashed his nipple. But the takeaway is he suggested that you'd make a fish and luard to look like a nipple and smelled like chew nipples look like bait. They just do. Yeah, they do have a bait like appearance. Man. I had to cist cut out of my head, a sebaceous sits or whatever you call it, like it was like on top. It was on top of my like you don't want to sist in your skull, between the skin and the skull, like a not scary one. They cut it out and I had some little hairs growing out of it still, and I kept it. I asked me if I could have it, and I kept it in this jar alcohol. It's about the size of the end of your pinky. And I'd get to drinking and get that thing out and tell people how I was gonna catch a perch off that thing, and it kind of overtime dissolved. That's too bad, and I never got to never got to fulfill my my was back, and I used to like to drink a lot more than I do now. I still like to have a little drinking on him, but it never goes so far that I get out my cist and started, I don't get off with sist anymore ts and rolled it in some glitter A truth ain't no youth, So does that guy rode in? Um oh, and Anthony talked about the thing that you were going to talk about real quick. Bigfoot. Yeah, yeah, one of my favorite subjects. Right. Uh So we have this great report from the proceedings of the Royal Society, some organization and uh great Britain, and their mission here was to take all these samples of hair that have been collected over the years that for one reason or another I have been identified as possible bigfoot here, bigfoot sasquatch yettie, you know, depending because they're all over the world. So setting it up here that I think this is really important. What I found was a very interesting point. They kind of lay out the theories of what these creatures could be. Right, They could be some kind of um remaining population of some sort of humanoid you know, chro magnet, not that exactly, but something like that. Um. They could be some species of extinct ape. But here's the one that I had never heard. One theory is that they are hybreds between humans and some mammal, which I heard that one by, Like, I like that. I would love to know what kind of other mammal human could The bear comes by and it looks kind of like uh so, I thought that was pretty fascinating. I like to think about that theory. Maybe it's changing my mind. Um yeah, that one doesn't get thrown out. The one that gets thrown out is it's like uh like the I think the lead one is that it's some other primate exactly hiding out exactly some primate that that is unknown, or one of those other things. So they had fifty seven samples of hair kind of up to real quick, please no, you know, I'll do it as a follow up, Go ahead, fifty seven samples hair. For one reason or another, someone were kicked out some of carpet fiber, stupid stuff like that. So but they're left. There was a there was a bigfoot sample that turned out to be carpet fiber, right, plastic fiber. They think it was carpet fiber. Right, So they end up with thirty seven and use genetic testing and all these other scientific methods to identify what they are. And these these things came from Russia, from Arizona, from Washington, Texas, Oregon, India. Turns out they're all animals we know and well, polar bear, brown bear, horses, cows, black bears, a lot of black bears, raccoons. One of the samples came from a human, so it must have been somebody with very glorious locks, bigfoot like locks. Maybe somebody with dreads. I don't know, um porcupine save dirts back and probably get dude if I saw if I wasn't with dirt, I saw him coming through the was that shoot? It's real. Yeah, coyotes, cows, dogs, wolves, but alas, not a single big foot. It sounds like a conspiracy. Not one freaking big foot in the whole stack of hair sample. No, not one big foot. They had. They had three that they at first couldn't identify, and they were thinking maybe it was like a highbread between a grizzly and a polar bear. But it turns out they were just polar bear hairs as well. You know what the good part about this is what this will not change anyone's no no like big big foot. Dude is gonna be like, ah, never mind, I guess they're right. There is no big foot. There's no there's somebody staring in their shoe box right now, being like, yeah, but they haven't seen that. They have to see what I found bag in my yard. Uh, guy rode in um tell about his dad was going to buy a motorcycle and their lording down the trailer and one thing leaves you another and uh, one thing leaves you another. Any in the trailer shifts? No, the I don't know he's lowing a motorcycle into a trailer. One thing leads another and his finger comes off his His ring finger on his right hand was severed between the distal interphilangeal joint and the proximal inter philangeal joint. And the dude he was buying the motorcycle off of his dog ate it and he wants to know. Um, he doesn't. He's doing more than just telling the story. He's like, this happened to you. What feelings did you have towards the dog partial ownership? Would you be piste? He says, Um if someone later told me that man, had you just grabbed that before that dog ate it, we could have just reattached it and you wouldn't have it. Now I would be pissed. Could you get that? Can you make that dog puke, or get it out of its stomach and put it on. That'd be even better. My brother's dog Shifty ate it. You could have killed Shifty and cut it open and that dog would have been fine. The finger would have been fine, because that dog eats stuff and doesn't chew it. You can give it a big strip like whatever. The other day I had, I gave it a we we were out hunting and we had some smoke Canada goosebreast, and the dog was like dying, you could tell as hungry as I'll get out. And I peeled away the skin off of smoke goosebreast and it like, I didn't even pretend to chew it. It just gone, not even one chew. When I was a kid, I had a lab that I was eating a popsicle right yeah, and I said it too low. Lab came out boom gone. Two days later, popsicle stick came out. Strip stripped soccer right off at though as looking at like you could like you could use it again, or use it for a craft project, send it back in for a refill. Another guy real quick, um. Another guy rolled in. He's talking about like eating his own dog. Would you eat your dog? Say, if my dog died, I was thinking about eating it. He said, when he factors all the expenses he's got into that dog, he said that that dog, the meat would be two seventy dollars a pound. I don't know why he just sent that in. No one's interested in that. Well, you beating dog? How it tastes? Right? I didn't like it. Yeah, I didn't like it one bit. Okay, one last thing. No one's interested in that story. I thought I was good. Uh. We had talked about, you know what we're doing. We we had Jason Phelps from Phelps Game Calls, that's right as Buddy Dirk, and we got we got to pondering who like kind of in vent of the diaphragm call, and a listener sent in a little clue. Yeah, we were guessing like fifties sixties from you know some of the names we kind of know that are still alive, like it must have been Will Primos. Yeah, Carlton, and the guy rolled in with a clue. Yep, he says. In the n w t F Museum, which I've been in, Yeah, I'd like to go sometime stands for National Wild Turkey Federation. There is a display showing a patent from February five, eighteen sixties seven, submitted by S. McClane for the first patent for a diaphragm type mouth call US Patent number sixty one thousand, four eighty six. And there it looks like a current diaphragm. Yeah, that's the that's the crazy like takeaway is that the it's really nothing different from what I've seen his little diagram from what we put in our mouths now to make Alcolm Turkey seven what year did he do the patent? Eighteen sixty seven? One year, one year after the Fetterman massacre. Well, I mean just that's a brutal massacre story. Everything that was going on in the US, Like it just kind of goes to show you that, Uh, sometimes it doesn't slow down hunting and fishing, because especially especially yeah, like what do you hear a hunt story from ninety three, Like shouldn't you been off fighting the war? Yeah? What U eighteen sixty seven? Especially if it's anywhere near where the NWTF Museum is located, which obviously it has, Like shouldn't you been just coming rolling out of the Civil War? Yeah, it's like fire boys, I got an idea. Have you ever heard this gap? That's what the rebel yelled. Since you mentioned it, can you of us a quick synopsis of the Fetterman Oh, I shouldn't call it. It's it's euro it's eurocentric. To called the Fetterman massacre. I take that back, be the Fetterman fight. It wasn't Wyoming the UM. I believe it was a Sioux they had. There was a military fort that was, you know, very much imposing on their traditional lands, trying to you know, telling the way that would be. I'm leading so heavy into this. There's a military fort and there's like a contest of the whole West is in contention. Who owns the West? Yeah? Well, the U. S. Military sets up this fort, which would be like an outpost. Yeah in the brass the top brass is like, hey, man, no matter what, don't go over the top of that hill. And and you know, don't like, don't do it. But anyways, there's some uh, some you guys right up on top of the hill and they're like, hey, screw you or whatever, and then they runoff over the back of the hill. And Fetterman could be getting parts this round, but the most of them not fetterman like gets the bright idea to chase after him over the top of the hill, and him and all of the boys vanished over the top of the hill and never come back. And they eventually wander up there, and I don't know how many him or all in there, And he was the one. I wish I had the quote exactly, but he was very confident and he said with his force he could ride through the whole student nation, and that he couldn't make it over that couldn't make it. And Crazy Horse was very involved in that battle. But he was one of the the ones who did the planning to set up that ambush and was one of the sort of decoys who came out and let everybody back in. And it was a multi day thing, right, Like this part of it, this part of it was astonishingly quick, I think, really because I thought they had shown up on that hill. But I mean, yeah, the the actual yeah, there was like there was some preceding stuff and they had been taunting them and torment them, and some I went out to cut wood, I think, and they killed a couple of the guys that went out to cut wood, and one thing led another. But when the main thing happened was a very well laid trap. Yeah, yeah, we hand to hand fighting. Drove out Ben and I been on Brian and I drove out to that Vortex Extreme which is in was outside of Douglas, Wyoming this year, and so there's a lot of Fetterman stuff out there. So I was relaying the story of the bound So I was just trying to fight of his men. Oh yeah, he talked to like any of your Wyoming buddies. It's so funny because I love that stuff, and like you can just see like eyes rolled back in people's heads. Like every single year growing up in Wyoming, you gotta go out to Fort Federman. I would love it. Uh, why are we talking about that? Oh? He brought up the Fetterman man. It was at McClean year after. I just have certain bench. Did this guy get rich off his game call patent? I mean he should have been born about a hundred years later. I think, huh yeah. A quick internet starch did not reveal any more information. I do find it humorous here thought of that being the rebel Yell. Can imagine eight dudes from across Yeah, go to the w go to the n WTF convention. What people silence blowing turkey calls song like probably rattle somebody, Oh check this out, Watch this transition, watch this pivot. So uh Fetterman right, that was part of the Sioux War. Okay, and some of the participants at the Sioux War. You guys tracking stay with some of the participants at the Sioux some of the participants at the Fetterman fight. We're involved in the battle a Little Big Horn. At the battle a Little Big Horn, one thing survived. Captain Keo's horse Comanche had like bullet holes arrow holes in it, but lift Captain Keo was one of I think two people whose bodies were not mutilated after the Little Big Horn battle. One because he's under a pile of dead horses, and that they it seems like they may didn't find him down there and mutilate him. And Kio was unmutilated. And Kio had some like Catholic some like Roman Catholic clan type thing around his neck, some piece of jewelry around his neck, and is a theory is that they saw that and and I wondered if he was like a religious figure or something, and perhaps didn't mutilate Keyo. And during the punitive expeditions. Uh, when we came out to them enact vengeance on the tribes that were involved in the in the Custer Fight. We set up a military fort in present day Miles City and they bestowed upon that fort the name Captain Kia or Fort Kyo, which brings up the Fort Kyo Gate situation, the Fort Kyo fight, the Four Kyo fight. Well done, Yeah, that was like well done. You want to talk about some phenomenal hosting? Is there no bill prize and host I was gonna ask, is there an awards? Is there like a Pulitzer and hosting? Yes? Um Pulzer prize for hosting? Uh, cal, go ahead, you're supposed to be all up speed on this. Yeah. So uh interesting situation. There is a lonely but well used or was well used at one point. Um boat ramp river access Um that is actually on U. S. D A property which is part of Is it an experimental station out there? Is that? What? Yeah, it's a research facility called for Kyo for Kyo Research Facility. Um, they're right out outside of Myle City. But um, yeah, they do a bunch of great work, man, I mean they work, They do a lot of they do cattle work, they genetic work, range range land stuff, invasive plants. There's a lot of valuable work comes out of Fort Key full ecosystem focus really I mean really neat stuff even like I know that there's research that comes out of there too. And you having to do with after a coal mining operation, Um, best best ways to re establish shrubs and forbes and things when when you're in the remediation process, so like you know, clean up stuff afterwards, not clean up, but getting robust plant ecosystems back in shape and disturb ecosystems. Yeah, and and ecosystem not like monoculture. Uh tons of work range land, rangeland cattle and what cattle e yeah yeah um and uh yeah. So anyway, there used to be uh you know, general public access to this boat ramp. Then a couple of bad apples spoiled that access by um doing what every Eastern Montana kid knows not to do, which is go out and drive around after it rains out there in the hot dog and around egg fields, tore up egg fields, tore up the road. Um, and you know, as a lot of folks would do. They said, well enough of this and they closed it off and then uh, a handful of groups got together while I unlimited, um general maybe there's a general sportsman's group for Miles City. Uh, the community, a lot of community members, community members, a lot of businesses within Miles City. Uh, backcountry hunters and anglers all got together. They raised a little over ten grand I believe too, for these very specific purpose of getting this river access open to the public on by finding a middle ground of installing a key code gate. So there's some accountability for folks using the access because you would have to call in get a code, probably provide your license plate number als you're you know, fishing license number or something like that, and uh, everything was good to go. Yeah, and this is uh did you cover this? I feel like you did that. There's not a lot of reliable Um, there's not much reliable river access in this area because the river fluctuates. Yes, it's a it's a wildly fluctuating water level. Yeah, and so there's oftentimes not a good place to launch. And this is like one that's like always, no matter what the river is doing, you can launch here. Yeah. And I want to say there's like seventy plus you gotta go about seventy miles give or take to the next like very reliable access unless you use this kind of below water mark access with which is like kind of the legal exactly. So um, it's always better to have these established things. It's just better for for everything centralizes the human impact on areas. So um, everything was going around well, and then the U s d A came to the conclusion that this that it had to be done through slightly different means, and it really slowed the process down. So you meanwhile, people have spent a lot of money specifically to address the problem, and they had the goal line like right there, it's like this is going to be done by this date, and we have this money very specifically. It's not just going to this general pot, it's going to this very specific thing that everybody wants and everybody's behind it. And here's this date coming down the road, and you know, government just doesn't move that fast. Um. And so they're trying to get basically an easement through U s d A land that I believe Montana Fishing Game would then be in charge of that ease month and people trying to work through sort of a legal process by which this could happen, and this donated money you could get put to the purpose. But as you can imagine, if you're Joe Walleye or definitely Joe Ducker goose Hunter and the seasons coming down the pipe, and you were all fired up about this access and you probably pitched a couple of bucks in the pot at a point night or something. Now you're starting to get pretty piste and fingers are starting to get pointed, and um so, what would be very very helpful if you like to recreate UH in a smart state like the state of Montana that has awesome water access laws, I would be very helpful if you contacted your duly elected officials or you know, if you happen to know a guy who looks like or knows Sonny Perdue, or or if you know Sonny Perdue, you may want to give him a call. That would be extremely helpful. Um Here in the state of Montana, if you got a hold of Steve Danes, UH Senator tester or Greg gene Forte and so the senators testers Senators Tester and Danes Representative Greg gene Forte and asked him to try to help work with h f w P. Your Montana, Fish, Wildlife and Parks in the U. S d A r S Regional Planes Office in Fort Collins, Colorado, try very helpful to try to navigate this thing and figure out something that's gonna work for everybody. And this is all like a very positive thing, is just moving slow and and um, we got a lot of really good intention folks with their money tied up. Yeah, it's not like there's not like a bad guy, and it's just a matter of you know, you gotta have mechanisms in place to do this kind of stuff. And I think that at this point it just seems like a little bit of political muscle would go a long way and helping grease this up. Because again, man, you get people to come together with like this real common calls, like who can argue with you know, the importance of good river access. Man, Like people came in and pitched in the money, and it's just kind of a shame to have that pot of money sitting there. Yeah. And and again, like anybody who's built anything, like you know, eventually you hit a few speed bumps that slows down that finished construction date. Um, and that's really what's happening here. So but phone calls, emails. Um, you know, and again, if you know some folks who know the folks, UM, don't be afraid to give them a shout. It's a real good deal. Oh yeah, you know. There's one more thing you can do if you go to www dot Backcountry hunters dot org forward slash open for Kyo and uh. I guess it's important to note that Kyo has spelled k e O g h Um. There's a bunch of good information on the whole story that I just told you, and I think it'll leaven give you us some outreach options, ladies and gentlemen, Ryan Calahan, Oh if you want more from Cal Cal's Weeken Review. Yeah, just the only good thing on the internet, it's the only thing on the Internet that is of any value, is Cal's Weeken Review. It's now being used in school curriculums, Is that right, Cal, Yeah, we got I would honestly, I would love love, love love if the person who wrote the iTunes review for Cal's Weeken Review, what that says you are making this mandatory listening for your high school science class out to me? Yeah. Cal's Weeking Review is a weekly roundup of wildlife and science news. It's fun and hopefully you learn some good things to kids love it because it's got good sound effects. Yeah, Coty of Phil fills the sound of the engineer. Okay, next time we have to talk about is I got Um? If you if you came to me and said, who's the person you would who's the person that you would uh least want to be unhappy with you? I would say, like the Massad, he's really Massad. And then I'd say Doug durn if it was personal, that's like what I would like like that would be the order. I want to know where I fall on the list. Oh you've been mad at me before, haven't you? Yeah? I would if someone told if I came in to where someone like Yanni's Maddie, I'd be like, I'll talk to him. What could be? Uh yeah, I wouldn't be like worried about it. I feel like we'd get through it. Yeah, for sure. Um, Doug's all mad at me because we were talking to and we're doing something we don't normally do. Is Doug dug Duran has joined us by phone? Um we kind of ambushed him. We we were talking to some guys, some q d M A on a on a recent episode I think it's called the episodes called Managing Bambi. We were talking about a lot of stuff around whitetail deer. Um oh, because it's kind of a crash course in all things white tail deer in the news and whatnot. And I made a mistake. I made a regrettable. I made a regrettable. I was, you know, when you're trying to make a point now and then and you kind of oversell the point. There should be word for that. I remember Limbaugh would rush Limbaugh what once said something it's not quite it. He said, like demonstrating absurdity by being absurd, meaning you like when you're like arguing, you float some like intentionally like absurd point as a rhetorical strategy. And I had said how and I somehow we got on c w D chronic wasting disease, which is very serious, and I made some I made a comment that I regret. It was like it didn't didn't capture my sense. Meant, I made a comment I regret where I said the only thing I'm worried about was c w DS, that someone would catch it, that it would jump the species barrier. And I had said some stupid thing like, oh, there's all kinds of stuff that there's all kinds of stuff that kills deer, so who cares, It's just one more thing that kills deer. And what the point I was trying to make and I didn't make it? Well, the point I was trying to make it, I guess it's like it was that I was saying. The thing that really really scares me, The thing that really really scares me is that hunters um would contract chronic wasting and disease from eating dear meat. Like that is extremely scary to me. And somehow some people interpreted that to be that I don't take c w D seriously or I don't think it's a serious thing, or I'm somehow not concerned about it. It's like, that's definitely not true. But the thing that most scares me, the thing that most scares me, was that dear meat would somehow be determined to be or it would become um essentially inedible from infected animals that super like that, Like, I feel that you could hold that belief and my my feelings on CRD are more complicated than that, but you could hold that belief and use just that as a thing for all the reason in the world why we should be researching, fighting, stopping prevention of So I don't know how that got taken to be like, I'm like light on my concerns about c w D. But Doug, who's joining us here? Doug explained to me, like, let's say God came down and said, I hereby declare that humans cannot get c w D. I've designed this disease to be uh incapable of infecting a human. Why would people Why if you knew that to be true, why does c w D matter? Well, first of all, I'd like to say that, Um, if I was to make a list of people who were upset with that, I wouldn't want mad at me. The first one would be my wife and the second one would be Steve or Ellis. So I guess, yeah, don't kill you well, thinking not my life. UM. So to answer your question, the UM, you know there's and you know the other thing that is that there's all kinds of stuff that that killed deer, and that is very true, and all of the different diseases that killed deer. UM don't do it in a pretty way. UM h D doesn't kill them in a pretty way. It kills them click. C w D doesn't kill them in you know, there's no pretty way of deer dying. So it's beyond that. C w D UM has a has an impact on the resource that isn't UM just short term, because it persists in the environment, because it persists within the herd. Once you have it, essentially don't get rid of it. So UM that then goes on too. If you don't have it, you don't want it in your area. Yeah, it's not like like meaning like e h D or what you know people call sometimes refer to as blue tongue, like it passes through. It passes through, do you get sick and do you die? It goes away and then maybe you don't see it again for twenty years, right, And it's all dependent on whether and that midge and drought and all of that. And interestingly, one of the things that I've learned recently about e h D was that there were deer that we're taken from northern climates and taken to um Texas and places like that for breeding purposes, and those deer were insured UM their lives were insured, you know, like loads of London or some a insurance company like that, and they would take those deer too, um, someplace like Texas where they didn't really have a problem with the HD because the deer had developed an immunity to it. Over time, they take these bucks down there for breeding purposes, they get the h D and die and then they were collecting on the insurance policy. And now they don't insure dear anymore. But of course what also has changed is they now take those dear two um a breeding facility in a little tube. Um. They actually take semen there um now, so that's one of the things that they've learned in that. So that's that is a big difference. That the h D dies out and then if the conditions have to be right for it again to appear again a drought condition. And actually, Spencer really really good of summary about HD the other day that I read on website that I thought was really good. Yeah at the media or dot com ladies and gentlemen. Yeah. Um, So that's the biggest thing. Once you have it, you have it so then um, and then it's going to well then and then can have an impact on the resource for both in the short and long term. Umsults of me here UM prevalence in bucks, and we talked about this on that with the two m guys. That prevalence has gotten real high assault of us. We have all the prevalence in the box. Um one of the landowners down there who has reached out to me and I've spent some time with all his land for to manage for big Bucks and and and balance hurt and all those QTM ideas UM, and his essentially stays not. We don't see big Box anywhere. They don't get UM of the of the box on the ground at one given time are infective with c w D, which is always fatal. That are always that is always fatal. Prevalence is of course based on the data that they have and the number of tests, and they're able to extrapolate all these numbers. UM, that prevalence is that box an adult does. UM, it's less both in yearling bucks in arling does. But it's even shown up uh down there in phones as well. So if all these fatal to zero disease that's going to kill that deer in two years or something related to that disease, you know, it's like it's sort of like um, oh cancer or you know, any any other kind of thing you get, you get stick from it, and you're as your immunity system, your body becomes weaker and end up dying. Maybe you don't die of cancer, or you don't die you don't die of lung cancer as a smoker, but you die of of uh you know something else that pneumonia commune system and your body pneumonia exactly. And that's actually what a fair number of deer um with c w D die from is things like pneumonia, um uh, you know, um choking on their own um, you know, spit, vomit, things that are not vomit but their own bodily fluids, that sort of thing, because they don't have that ability to to do it anymore. So that idea that well deer aren't. But that dear didn't die a CD. It got um it. It's died in pneumonia or you know, it's it it got killed by a predatory more easily because it's a defense system is down't or because of what it does to their brain. They have walked, you know, maybe walking out on the highland moor or something like that. So there's all the number of things that both sickness is and other things that can happen UM as a result. So if you wound up, go ahead, But because that deal thinks, but because that deer is going to die of the disease within two years, imagine a year old or a year link bocker of another buck, he's not gonna make it to be uh, he's not gonna make it to be a three year old deer. And that's what we're starting to see now. So even though in our area they predicted or saltum here of the endemic area when they predicted that um seventeen years ago, may being the Department Natural Resources and some of the other efforts that this is going to have a huge impact on the deer. Our deer population is still going out. But what's happened because we just have such a great place for growing deer that the models didn't maybe take that into consideration. But what is happening is trending to a younger deer population. And then of course so UM, so there's that. I mean, that's really the biggest the bigger impact on the resource is UM. You know, it's my concern and I think Matt from qd M A who you know, it did a great job, and I actually talked with him, uh currently regularly about listen some other issues. Um did a great job of sort of explaining, uh, you know, some of those those things after the fact. So if if if I know you're out working right now, but quick question for you and we'll pick this up because you you know you've been you're on the show all the time. We'll talk more about it, but real quick, like you've you've emerged as like a c w D crusader, right like you're like the you might even be looking like some people in your area might think you're like the crazy c w D guy because you're really driving awareness in your area. And I don't I'm not trying to joke, because you're doing it in a very constructive way of really looking for striving for solutions and striving for consensus. But that's why I ask out all fairness, because you were like pissed at me about what I said, because in some ways it would be that that you've kind of made this in a way your your life's work, and then someone like demeaning that. But if you knew, if you were in the scenario where let's say you're a ten right now, you're like a on a number one to ten. You're a ten and your fight on c w D. If you knew that there's no chance for human infection, do you think you'd still be a ten? Or would you honestly be down in the seven eight range? UM one, I'd like to think I'm a CWD avenger um and who I would be attend really And the reason for it is the impact on the resource. It's conservation. I yes, I concerned myself about um eating venison, um and and people eating venison, but the fact that what it does to what it does to individual dear, but then also the impact on the resource. UM, I really would I mean honestly, some of the things. I mean, you know, I used to do buck management. We don't do it anymore. I'd love to be able to do that again. UM And could I and could I do that? Well? Sure we would still have and we killed some nice bucks here last year, but um we would still that that would continue to happen. But as that prevalence gets higher and high year, we um, dear are they're dying and they're they're and they're not reaching those older ages. So we're not getting to that older older age class, which debate whether deer actually need to have age class uh dear a trust all the age classes or not, whether that's important the resource or not. But I'd love to see that again. I mean, there's nothing like seeing a big giant buck um And so yeah, I would be concerned about it, and I would like to continue to concer no matter what. I would want to control prevalence um, so the percentage of gear that have it, but then also the spread so that it's not going on to the next place. You know. One of the analogies that people have used is you keep your kids home, uh, keep your kids home from school, and they're six, so they don't go and in fact other other kids. And we're kind of at the point here where on the north edge of the of the streat of c w D that I'm trying to keep your kids home from school so that folks north of us of their kids aren't getting six so they're dearing, kidding sick. So it makes sense. No, it makes total sense. Man again, Doug Well, I yeah, what you're on all the time. We'll have you on again to talk more about this. Uh forgive the have to do over the phone. But I said, I got an email from Doug that said, this is an email I'd never thought I'd need to write to you, which is not how I like to start my morning. Well are we do we still? We still love each other? Right? I love you, man, I really do. And I appreciate this. Um, I appreciate the call and the opportunity and and uh, I apologize for being a little heavy handed with some of that, but I UM, you know, as I think I told you, I've gotten a lot of contacts about it, and every time I did, I got upset with you more than I should have. And I tried to get people and I hope some people have written to meet either because I said, look, let them know, not just me. So yeah, it was. It was dumping to say it was. It was, I was. I was making a point. I should have said what really scares me or what especially scares me? But yeah, yeah, and I UM, I also want to say that in the of all of the work that you've done in conservation and and everything you've done for conservation and the voice that you are, it pretty hard to to fault you when we're talking about thirty seconds of time in a really a lifetime career and uh so um that's I guess that's part of the part of the deal. But I appreciate the opportunity. And you know, I love you like a brother, as as the case with some of those other guys there. So um, thanks very much. All right, thanks Doug. We'll talk about more. I was wanting to clear the air because I haven't been able to sleep at night. Think he didn't love me. Alright, talk to dog. All right, we're walking the way out of here. Man, I got that taking care of now. Okay, who uh do you want to tell your elk story? So I tell my elk story. Um, depends on what you're looking for. You know, mine's a big, fancy private land scenario. You're a everyday man, the nails, blue collar hero. Let's hear your fancy one. Um. So I got like very spoiled spoiled kid, um chance to go hunt a big private ranch that is owned and operated by the Nature Conservancy in eastern Oregon. It's called the zoom Walt Prairie Preserve, and their mission statement out there is to preserve the last um largest contiguous chunk of bunch grass prairie. Um bunch grass prairie ecosystem, and it is uh, really gorgeous. It's right outside of joseph An Enterprise, Oregon UM, which I understand are getting like more popular with um like your Portlands tourist crowd out there. So folks is kind of starting to discover that area. And I actually have some friends with a ranch in that same spots. I've been traveling out there, uh you know, every other year or so, and and it is big, like Feeder Stream tributary country for uh, Snake River Hills Canyon, and it's like big. So you have those big flat top plateaus and then these big banded kind of cliff band grassy drops all the way down into like really dried um kind of desert country. Yes, that's stuff that It's like those one of those areas where you feel like you're in the mountains because there's so much topography, but then you realize there's no like uplift. Oh yeah, it's just like it's like a flat thing that's been washed away rather than a jaggy thing that's been shelved up. Yeah, I mean it's yeah, you could travel the tops in a mountain bike, you know, with with no trail almost so um. But so they're there to this big private chunk with an access component there cowell hunters starting out there at the same time. I was the opening day in that areas August August. But like in Alaska, their full swing by them. But here it seems it feels weird. Tolorado starts archery elk in August. Are they hard horned? Yeah? Yeah, we we spotted a few that were like still had plenty velvet hanging off of them, you know, but they had started to shadows. It was cool. Um, but um, big bachelor groups of bulls and uh not all playing grab bass yet there is like a little bit of that winding up and it I mean I would tell anybody who can you know, I mean you got to diversify and like watch those animals every opportunity you get, because it's just like really neat, interesting her dynamic stuff when all those bulls are together and where you can see like how everybody beds down and the biggest bowls are like so covered up by everybody. Yeah, like I'll take the middle boys, yeah exactly. You know that spot right next to the rock that you can't really see what's coming up behind you? Why don't you take that. I'm gonna be down here in this hole. Um. And then yeah, they're like they'd get up and stretch, and then they'd like look at each other and go over there and like gently gently tap antlers together. For then they'd be like, I'm gonna eat some more, um. And then but then get like real aggressive on a tree and then somebody. It was just interesting. Can you just like see the wheels starting to turn? Like, oh God, that makes me want to do something, but I know it's not quite time yet, and it's super fun. And I will tell you never felt like such a bugling pro because every I would say of my bugles were responded to. But they're just getting to where they feel like they want a bugle. Yeah, and so you'd like you'd bugle and be like bloo bloop bloop, but you know, nobody's like what did you say. It's all like, yeah, I'm over here. They're not oh no no, but they like they like doing it. Yeah. It was I mean it was fun and uh, certainly not a situation where you have that monkey on your back. Like, boy, I only got a couple of days and I haven't found ELK yet. You know, like it was. It was pretty amazing. One spotted a couple of raghorn bowls underneath the tree, went over there, checked him out and started looking and there's like sixteen bowls in there. Sixteen you know, you're just like, oh my god, like giants too or what? Um? So, according to Chad Dotson, who was a preserved steward, so if you have an ANTLERD tag out on the preserve, you have to be accompanied by a preserved steward. Um for what purpose? Uh? I think it's it's purely because those tags are UM such high value because they're they're used as UM fundraiser tags for UM all these local So basically it's set up UM like a grant, so all the charities in that area can basically apply for one of these tags to then use as a major fundraiser for that group. But they want to prevent what from happening. Well, I think it's it's more of like, hey, you have this very special thing, we want to make sure it's a special thing for you to kind of maintain the value of the tag. UM. And so the preserve stewards go out and they're like, you know, I would probably hold off on shooting that bowl, because is if we just look a little bit longer, we're gonna find something bigger and something older. Yeah, presumably they know all the property boundaries and yeah yeah, I definitely know the property boundaries and and um the uh to get elk living a long time out there too, and the individual get old. Yeah, and they um part of the deal out there, Like if you're a rifle hunter, you got to use non let immunition. Um, everybody is required to. There's a big survey questionnaire that you gotta fill out. Um, after the hunt you gotta send in um tooth so they can buy ops yet um and uh yeah, I mean it's all it's super neat stuff and and really cool program. Didn't you trip and fall and almost land on a bear school? Yeah yeah yeah, which was just like a total So the interesting part here is, yes, I shot now turned out to not be a good shot, Like the interesting stuff came after and um, so I shoot the bowl. It was a twenty four yard shot. How was another good shot? I thought the fell right off. Yeah, but this is like all this after the fact stuff, So you know, I have this great shot. I have all the time in the world take my time well within my comfort range with your curve bow. This was with the long bow. UM, and I shoot the bowl reacts the sound of the arrow hitting the bowl, it was very familiar as like that sounds like a very good shot. Um. Like sounded like bone and lung and you know because it kind of had that like crunch kind of sound to it. Um, that was my like a little deflation type sound. And um. And the this is a huge bodied bull and he's got this really distinct old man bugle um. But then when he stepped out, he's like like not that big of a antlerd bull, um, but you know, too good to pass up. And the bull reacts like he is immediately falling over. And he runs and this on a very steep slope, like I said, like on the edge of the canyon. And uh, he reacts like he's fallen over the whole time, and running faster than any healthy animal would down this slope. Then all of a sudden, somehow hits the brakes, makes a ninety degree turn, takes a couple of steps on this what turns out to be a game trail, and disappears from site. Um. At that point, i'd ripped a big bugle. Uh yeah. My theory is like bugle, particularly with big bulls after their hit, um, because I find that they re act better too, like their anger sense of anger, like think you might think he might pause him thinking that another bull hit him, right, um and so and he turned and hit that trail went out of sight and I'm waiting and then I hear crack boom move boom boom boom boom, and I kind of like laughed to myself like it sounds like you fell all the way to the bottom. Har har and he had he had. Yeah. So there the and there's a lot of logistics talk on this Boston aidlers all the way down and whatnot. It is pitch black by the time I start trailing, but because of that crashing noise, I'm very confident that I'm going to recover the animal. Um. You know, up until now, like everything's like out of a dusty playbook, right, I'm like, oh, yeah, this is an area, so go down. I find it was actually easier to track in the moonlight, um oddly enough or not in the head lamp light, um, because like there's so much elk signe over there. But like the big digger marks of this bowl running so crazy just seemed to pop out more in the head lamp, more in the light. Yeah, and uh the more in the head lamp. It was pitch black. There is no Yeah, I'm sorry, I misspoke, and uh so I'm tracking him. Then I find the arrow and I'm like, oh, that's not good. First of all, I'm like, I am the best tracker in the world. I found the arrow on the pitch black, and then I look at the arraw on I'm like, I am a terrible shot because I ended up hitting him in the front low on the front left leg. So I mean the bottom basically like the bottom of the shoulder um above above the elbow um. And uh that leg broke. Oh but it didn't break on impact. It broke when he This is all right my assumptions here of the data I collected. But it broke once he took a couple of steps on that game trail. Um and you know, I have the bone with the broadhead in it, and there's a big spiral fracture up and the break was actually below the impact of the broadhead. And then that sent that bowl tumbling downhill. That called him to fall off the cliff and he fell off three cliffs and I'm you know, I'm picking my way down through this stuff. But that whole bowl and this is the biggest bodied elk I have ever certainly ever taken myself. But that whole bowl was you know, somewhere between six and ten ft off the ground three different times. And uh, I had to have with a mount and go at one time who was like thirteen pounds or something to meat. This was the I wish I could I do, wish I could somehow contextualize this properly and then and then show the pictures online because the trauma is is just ghastly. And I didn't make the comment I'm like, man, I wonder if Oregon Fishing Game would slip me a cow tag because I don't know if any of this is going to be usable. But the rock slides um that the bowl had to have gone through. He was traveling so fast that there was very very little blood. Um there was zero hair, which I found just unbelievable. Um. But I at first like like, well, this is the way he had to go, and I can't find any sign of It's all active rock slides, so they're all smooth, and and then I see this rock that looks like somebody hit it with a hammer, you know, like all chipped white and broken. I'm like, what, it's odd. And then I look and I'm shining the head lamp around, and I can see the bright white inside of an antler, like the core of the antler is shining bright white. It's like reflective almost, And I'm like, oh, okay, well, here's a chunk of an antler. And then there's a chunk of an antler, and then there's a chunk and then I can see like more busted rock, just same same way, like you're just whacking it with a hammer every ten ft. And then I can see the roots of a tree tipped over and I'm like, oh, that's fresh. And then yeah, that was like really every bit of ten feet. But I'm trying to like his body hit the tree and uproot of the tree. Yeah, And then off this major cliff and then and I have to like jump down probably like a five ft drop section, and I'm trying not to fall and slide off, and I look between my feet and there's like a pinky size tip of a horn, tip of an antler tip right in between my feet and I'm like, oh, one piece of a time, um like that Johnny Cash song and uh, I can't stand that song. They's fitting under these circumstances, man, and uh and yeah. So then I continue down the slide path. But it's just so odd, right, and it's like that when you're tracking at night. I'm like, Okay, here he's gonna be and then he's no elt. I'm like, there's just it's not I have dropped so much elevation, right, And I'm always like very hesitant to drop elevation unless I really know, but I'm so I'm crossing little side gaps off the list and then going down and then all of a sudden go through this next cliff band and I slip and fall hard, and I look over with my head lamp and there's this bear skull just grinning at me. It's awful ominous warning. Warning really gave me a stop, right, And it's like that bear had laid down and died right there, because it is just perfect, and like the canines sitting there eyes looking at me, or the sockets looking at me, and he says, your bullet is gone, and I was just like, you know, I just it was like, what put you and me here at the same same time? Like you should spot I shouldn't be here or something, and so yeah, that kind of just threw me for a loop, um, because when do you ever see that? And I'd go a little bit further. At that point, Um, Chad and uh Waring had gotten all the way around to the bottom, so they'd gone all the way to the back, and I was like, hey, grab my chainsaw, um grab you know, here's like the list of things to chaw for because I didn't know the condition of the two track road in the bottom. Um if we could use that saw to like cut some dead timber out of the way or just make things easier, you know, And they had to go through there anyway, so I figured why not? Um, And you know, at this point, I'm like two yards off the bottom, like the bottom bottom, and Chad starts hiking up and about a hundred feet from like the actual creek bottom is that bowl all piled up? And so he actually got to him before I did. In a total mess. Yeah, in in a in a total mass man. And just yes, that bowl could have been a six by six, but now it's a two by three, two by four. If the way it bro you would count like the continuation of the main beam as a point. There's the sheared off part of the main beam as a point. Yeah, so um, what a disaster. Yeah. And the thing is huge, like it is a huge bowl and man, start cutting that thing and like and I made the comment, I'm like, man, it looks like you got shot with a shotgun because it's just like peppered from that ride down the mountain. And uh so I start at the anus, right and I'm cut up and I start peeling that hideback and it you know, all these bowls I've been watching through the phone scope and like watching for days, and I'm just remarking the whole time how fat they are. Oh my god, look at the fat, Like you can see it ripple, you know, And that's just not something you see even early in that typical archery season because they've been doing a lot of running and um, and this fat is like obliterated. It is particulate fat. Oh like that was the cushion and it is a mess and it's got awful and I'm just sick to my stomach. But then you kind of get through that that layer of fascia um right above the meat, and everything started looking clean. Um. But I just yeah, the pictures are yeah, I mean I sent you guys. I think your honest is like what am I looking at? It's just like but like the anus was blown out of it. All the ribs were broken right below the spine on one side. On the opposite side. When I started to cut the loin out, Um, I made like half a cut in that fashion layer and the loin just dropped into my hands like it had come It had detached from the spine and the ribs. Um. You know. It's well, I think I told you probably ten times. But when I had that mountain goat that fell, its skull was opened, its brain was gone, and I found its long tucked tucked up between its shank and it's hide no his ankle, yeah, man, no skinning, no necessary skinning coasts. The hide, it completely separated, was just held on by the hoofs. Wow. No, but yeah, so I didn't. This is just kind of one of those things, right, It's like, uh, who knows, like the thing it's just there's not a lot there's not like a lot of lessons to learn here. I think the lesson is like, had you just taken it at phase value and like not being a heart eater, you would have been like, oh, slipped her through the shoulder and whacked him in the heart. But I dug the heart out and I'm like, there is definitely not a broad head hole in this thing. Um, I did find bruising inside the heart. And I asked e m T. Buddy, I'm like, you, uh, figure like if there's a cardiac arrest type situation, they'll be bruising inside the heart. And uh, he said, typically it comes from a blockage outside the heart, and so there's not bruising inside the heart. But maybe somebody can write in and let us know about that, Like really old Elk freaked out had a heart attack, and that's you know. But so you're you're saying this because you don't know what killed it, that the arrow placement may have killed it eventually, but it didn't kill it that fast, and it fell. The lesson to be learned or the takeaway from me or ad is like you aren't as good as you think you are with that bow because you definitely made a mistake. So um, that's that's a good lesson and I got really freaking lucky. Man, So did you try any of the meat yet? All I've all I have eaten as the heart. And then I had a couple of friends in town um that weekend, and they helped, but true, and so I sent them with some of the meat. Um, and they were there for the butchering job. But like inside those loins there would be um just if they it looked like actual like burst blood vessels. And and so they they actually, um, they were there like camping across the country, and they cooked it up and they said it was really good, exceptionally tender. But yeah, man, I mean and that's I'll take a pack of that. That's yeah, definitely the I don't know, I I one another takeaway is like you just you're never as long as you hunt as many of these scenarios as you see, they're all unique, and you're never gonna get to a point where you're like, oh, yeah, I've seen that, let me tell you what happened, you know. So I like that part of last time I had a big bull fall off cliff. Yeah, but we figured, um, you know, every every bit of six vertical feet that bowl. So yeah, yeah, you think about that filled the engineer. Uh, I don't know. If it were on tracks, would be a fun roller coaster. It sounds like the best phils got. Wow. Did you like that story? Yeah, yeah, it was great. I had heard some of some of it before, but the bare skull is new. Like like that touch, that's a good one. Yeah. So you're enjoining yourself down here, Yeah, having a great time and it's so hot, you know, we're we got that thing back and got the meat all hung up cooling. Um uh three am. It was probably in bed by a four am. Yeah. That's that's what you sign up for when you're shooting bowls at night and in the heat. Right. So I hate doing that too, Like I've I've called her quits early many nights because I'm like, man, I just don't feel like doing that whole situation up. Man. Um, you know, next week when we're hunting out together, I sure hope you kill one in the morning and makes life that much easier. That's that's the story I'm gonna tell right now. But me and my brother went out elk hunting. You could start off saying, let me tell you how it should be. Let me tell you how it should work. So we uh, opening morning here just not too long ago, oh a week ago, where the hell was a little over a week ago? Um, no week will be tomorrow week. Tomorrow. Well, it opens on Saturday. And we on Friday night, not filming, just out monkeying around like the old days. We on Friday night in the afternoon start. We had we had his llamas with us, We had four pack llamas, and we started hiking up into the mountains to an area he wanted to go and hit. Um. We start in the afternoon is rainings, all muddy and just kind of nasty, but we knew he had a good day touch nasty weather that I was even looking at you guys, going man, you might want to change direction to help change locations, because it looks like a real ship day to walk into the starting when you gotta like get when you get out of the trunk and it's pouring rain and you're going back in for a couple of nights. And so I was like, oh really, but then you can't back out because then what's the point being alive? So we started going, um, and we get into an area where he thinks, like he's expecting we should be seeing something, seeing hearing something, seeing something. But then it's like hard to rule out because well, it's raining. At first. He's like, man, rains really putting them down, you know, like they're not out. But then all of a sudden, it was like like the sky's part and it's like this beautiful evening and we're sitting there as it gets dusk and we got a good advantage and just just like nothing nothing. So nick is dark and we kick around like, man, you know, maybe they'll be out in the morning. But we decided to keep walking. And we walked another couple hours through the dark, and um got the point where about seven miles from where we parked, and then we were starting to hear some ripping. Um like good buglan and set up and slept there for the night, got up in the morning and just kind of like got out of eight in the morning, not eight in the morning. But we ate breakfast in the morning, you know, we ate, you know. Uh. That was pretty damn good man. Was it a bunch of sinew and normal matt meal? No, because I brought it. It was that what was that? What's the heathers or pantry? Oh my head, there's choice. The breakfast, dude, they're like rockets. That was good. We ate some of those. I brought some of those. Yeah, and Matt or beating like sin you. Oh you know another quick Matt story. He doesn't normally eat. I don't think he doesn't like to eat. He used he still uses an old school alcohol stove, which I like. I was like, hey, want me to grab my jet boil and he goes no, because I like it to be quiet when I'm cooking. I want to listen for bugles. And he uses the alcohol because it makes zero noise like at jet boils loud. Yes, but I would argue that it's so such an inefficient use of time that that jet louder jet boys. Sure, you might be not hearing something for about two minutes, but at least you get to eat before ten pm. Were you writing on that alcohol stove man dinners late? Yeah, but he said I pressed him on it. He said, I'm never in a hurry, and when I'm cooking, I want to listen for bugles. He just likes his alcohol sol but I didn't argue with him. He likes algoslo. But he told me a great story. He carries with them a portable bow press. Have you seen one of these? Oh, it's like a cable with a little screw attachment on the hand crank. He carries a portable bow press with the mountain the woods. Somehow he got he had ran into some problem and wished he had one. Oh he was with his white fue time and something happened and his bow popped off. The came off one of the cams, and him and his wife were able to rastle that bow back into submission and got it real strong. So then she goes out and buys him a portable bow press. And he's working a group of elk. This is not our this is this is just him alone. He's out working a group of elk with and he had his portable bull press and his wife bought for him with him. He's working a group of elk and slips on a rock and a stream channel and falls down and busts the peep site off his bowstring. And he carries like basic stuff like anybody was. But he doesn't care like who carries an extra peeps Like maybe I'm sure thousands of thousands of people do, but he doesn't have extra peeps like check this out he's way to hell Bag in the mountains. His peep site broke. He starts looking around through all his gear and realizes that the button on his pants has like that little rim around the periphery. M okay hollows out the hole in the button i his pants, takes his portable bull press and installs his pants button in as his peep site, and then shoots and kills a bull with it. Got some real stuff, right, there's some woodsman show kills a bull and never never say die, sony out. We get in the morning and we start working these bulls and we're like it was it was like, you know, like those days. It's like the daisy dream of having right knowing around. We got three bulls out in front of us, ripping, and all of a sudden, we're like trying to keep track of who's where Cole's going off, and also there's another bull coming from behind us. We reposition like this. This new bulls like shows up out of nowhere, bugling. He kind of sweeps through it sort of bypasses us, but like he's bypasses us because there's this whole circus going on out in front of us, and he's like coming to join the good times. But the main good times there are the bulls that are in front of us, not us, and he kind of but he still comes through, past through the hundred yards, goes into join the whole ship show going on out in front of us. Eventually, like some of these more vocal bowls, they seem to go up this slope. We're kind of looking down into a bottom, and we were like they kind of bugle up and over, and Matt he knows the area a little bit. He's like, man, he goes, I know, I bad know where they're going. So we circle around to try to get out ahead of him, thinking like we'll just get out ahead him and try to set up again. And we look across the drainage and find this other bowl bedded down out in the open, like and it's overcast, it's a cool day, and uh, he just beat it out and the open with two cows feeding right next to him, and we're good looking at him all right, man, that thing the way he's positioned, like the land features are such that you just know right where he is, Like it's like so obvious where he is. And there's this cliff band behind him, and we just drop everything and circle back around. It takes us about thirty minutes, and we just know exactly where he is because the landscape features are like you just can't mess it up. So we go back around and get up on this cliff band above him, and we know that we're a hundred ten yards. We tell we're a hundred ten yards when we know that bulls betted. And I'm on top of this little rock pile cliff band. It's not big. You could throw a rock, you know, and hit a grouse off the edge of the cliff band. It's not too far. But I'm up there. And Matt creeps down to the foot of the cliff band, thinking there's no way, you know, to take like a act of god right to call the bull up through this thing. But he gets down in there and he and he realized once he downs, he goes, man, I feel like I could, He said, I could recognize the tree that bowl was on under and I even thought I could see part of it. It wasn't sure I could see part of it. And I ripped a bugle and he said, he's still like he's still trying to be like is that the he goaes the minute I bagle, that thing just stands up and beagles in his coming, like just coming coming so hard that he draws his bow back. Its because he doesn't want to have to get busted when he goes to draw his bow back. Did you even try? A cow calls, I was doing the whole littany, I was doing, Yanni potell Us. It wasn't until you bugle that he came. I feel like the first thing I did. I know, the first thing I did was ripped a bugle. I was doing a combo, Yanni Phelps. The only thing that made it not a Yanni p tells is I wasn't beating brush yet, but I was gonna get to that in a minute. He hadn't rolled. He probably didn't want rolling rocks And knowing I got his damn dog tied up. So he hunts that little dog. And the dog such a low riding dog, that little corky the elk can't usually see it anyway, And the dog like is the most obedient dog in the world. He like, he goes so much like to that dog. That dog stands behind him and walks behind him like the dog knows what's up, and he knows you're hunt Elk. He's part of the team. Part of the team. But because we got two of us, and and I'm calling and Matt's going out ahead, I grab that dog's colling. The dog attacks me because he doesn't like to be fired. He doesn't like to be far from Matt. So I took a chunk of para cord and tied a slipknot around that dog's neck so he couldn't get away without strangling himself. And I tied him to a bush. And at one point I was trying to get a look down in there to see what's going on, and I left forward. Bro that broke the dog's heart because he's like, now that my owner's gone, now this guy is leaving too. And I'm tied to a noose. So then I backed up, and I felt so bad for the dog. Just give me this horrible look. But um yeah, so he's as Susie biggle, then I was. Then I was calling to because then he starts bugling and I can hear him down there just ripping. So then I'm doing the whole I'm just making the whole show. And mattes he draws back the bull acrosses in front him at thirty two yards and he's gonna walk right through, and Matt just game a little whistle noise just because just to stop him. The bull stops and Matt shoots, and I hear like the shot, I hear the boom, the pumpkin thump, and I'm like, hell yeah, man, I come running down and Matt's all distraught, see like he didn't see the arrow hit. And he's like, man, I feel like if it like if it didn't hit where I was looking, I don't know where, you know. He's all worked up. The dog. He's trying to trail the out the dogs like already gone because his dog is a trail. This dog trails elk. He like his dog is incredible shifty. So he's like telling his dog to get back. And we went and took a nap on a rock um and I'm laying there taking my nap and one point looking at dogs. It's got his nose up in the air and his dog is like dying to go, and he's like just sniffing air. And I stipped to him like it smells like a dead whatever a dead bull smells like. It smells like a dead bull. It smells like hot blood bull is like the strongest, most potent elk smell you could smell. And even the dogs like, dude, what in the world, what are these guys doing? And Matt's like curled up and think about taking a picture of Matt sleeping out of in the fetal position, and you know, you always go to negativity, know, because it's the best place to go. Uh. And meanwhile, the things just laying dead right there, like it wrapped around the hill and fell over dead. And so when I'm laying there thinking, like my god, that smells like the windward shifting. I get the smell like that has to be like an elk right there, We're laying like forty yards from this elk was just like right there. Yeah, because the way we went to find a rock to sleep on, like when he shot the bull, the bull wrapped around a little mound and we kind of went on the mound, do you know what I'm saying. Then we went like back down off the mound fund the blood trail and basically wrapped around and a half loop to like back around it almost like where we just were. And we're going at first, there's no blood mats like I knew it. I blew it on the worst person on the planet. But also there's like a big pile of blood, and I'm thinking, because I'm already in a spotted negativity feeding off his negativity, that you don't even get a bad hit on something that there's like no blood. But then you find blood. It's only because it stood there for an hour trying to figure out what's going on, and you find that pile of blood, and you're like, this will be the last blood we find, because he stopped and stood here for forty five minutes seeing what's going on, and then he clots up and walks off, and it was just a muscle wound. And we see this big pile of blood. And then I almost got like a more negative feeling because I was like, oh, he's stopped and stood. It's never good when they stop and stand. But then I look and the dogs licking up a pile of blood looks like the size of a TV tray, and the dogs like eating blood. And then the dog moves along and I look and here's the bull all tangled up. I mean, this thing was like we're like taking a nap like this, just like it's all like very confined. It was all this right there. He's just like land here dead or dead. I don't know how he didn't hear it. Pilo got it all caught up and Matt have any uh. He he gave me a He gave me a hug. He wanted to have a hug. He gave me a long hug. Mean while the damn dog doesn't even realize that elk standing there because the dog wants to eat all the blood as it goes along. So it's like laughing up blood, bulls lander every He's all happy. He had a big hug, cut it all up when got his llamas um, brought it back to where we were sleeping, hung it up in a tree. Get the alcohol in a tree, so let us go have a look. Worked another bowl, no screaming his face off. He comes and I couldn't see in the way he came in. He probably came seventy seventy yards before he goldsted off, slept, woke up, and here's where the here's what the bad part of the story happens. All night. I can't sleep because the bulls ripping like it's like they're it's like they're ripping in our in our tent man, and then coles keep getting like they know we're like sleeping there, so like you're like you fall asleep and a like warning barking. You think like they're all gonna leave, but they like don't leave. It's the weird night. And I'm just like, dude, this is the most amazing thing. And we get up and we had to be hunting this place where is a there's like there's seasonal motorized motorized used through this area and this this kind of such a weird story. Man, I almost hesitated to get into it. There's an outfitter to hunts this area, but he does drop camp stuff. But he has this very big gass drop camp and he generally hikes in hike hunters and sets up this big drop camp and guys hunt out of this big drop camp. Somehow, this guy he used to not allow dudes to do this, but somehow he opened it up and allows motorcycle guys. Now, like a horse pack in drop camp inhabited by guys on dirt bikes. Yeah, it's just right. Whatever whatever he used not allowed, now he allows it, right, Okay, so he'll pack in a big he'll pack in his wall, tense and everything established this big base camp where he can go fetch elk on mules. But then guys can ride into the camp on dirt bikes because they're scared of grizzlies. So they like to have a big, elaborate place to go sleep at night where they don't have to be scared of grizzlies. They don't want to sleep out like just out in the mountains. They want to sleep at like a big place with all this hubbub going on. Yeah, and he's got a big guy. He's got a big electric fence around the camp. Yeah. So these guys, these dirt bike guys, are scared of grizzlies, but they want to hunt the area. One of these guys was saying once that he can't even go, uh, he can't even go drop a deuce without bringing someone with me, so scared of grizzlies. So he's not that's not a comfortable experience. Now, and we're in this meadow and he's elkmen ripping online in this meadow, and we get up in the dark and we're getting we go up into the edge of the timber, so we're looking down and we're like, Okay, as soon as the light comes up, we're gonna see what's going on and make a plan and all some and again, man, this trail is open up until something it's seasonally open, not to its seasonally opened up to dirt bikes. And Matt's like he just wants to drift off the trail, and I'm like, I'm like mildly annoyed, and I stopped and express my annoyance to the dirt biker. But it's like I feel bad about it because it is legal. But it's like, it'd be legal for me to be up there with a marching band. Uh If if I determined that it was most effective to hunt with a marching band, it would be legal for me to be up there with a marching band. It's not illegal as long as you're not having like a gathering for oh, exp'd be oversized. Okay, I could legally be up there with a five man marching band with a trumpeter, like like I could have a trumpeter, I could have the cavalry. I'm not breaking law. So it's like we're not debating legality. It's not. It's like, sure, there's all kinds of stuff that's legal, But is it smart when you're in like the prime and I know where they camp there's we're in it. The elk eventually move out, but they're in it, Like is that smart? Like? Or is it better to maybe wait till eleven in the morning and do your travel on a motor cycle and not blow through and you can't hear the thing. It's hunting spots or hunting elk, right, It's like you when you're when you're on it, you can't hear bugling, so you're blowing through. You're you're like, you're blowing through a meadow. Were elker ripping and you don't know they're ripping? It's just what you said. The guy's hunting a spot, he's not hunting elk, right, So he's like, I go to this spot and there's usually elk there, so I gotta get to that spot. And by making that choice, you have then eliminated for most circumstances, you've you've eliminated hunting elk in the transition zone between trailhead and the spot that you're going. No, I feel horrible about it. I feel horrible about you said where are you camping? I said, right here? But did you ask the guy what his motivation was to be ripped? Ripping on the said he's headed off, he goes old works, we're headed But yeah, I mean, how would he know. I just feel bad about it. I feel bad about it. It is because I've been at trailheads. I killed the bowl, none of the we're nowhere near a trailhead. Um, but I started at a trailhead with a guy unloading his motorbike and I've thrown my backpack and start as I have to go down the trail, and he gets like, well, where are you going. I'm like, well, I'm heading down the trail till I hear a bugle. Well, I was going down this trail. I was like, man, you can. And I knew that country very well, and I'm like, you can drive a hundred and fifty miles on this trail. I'm like, ums around, I'm not, I'm not gonna get that far. I'm like, I'm sure you're gonna get further than I am. Um, you know it's pitch black and and um. I never did see the guy that that day, but went about, um, several miles further than I should do, and I killed a bowl that morning. Yeah, I don't know what. I still don't know. I feel, like I said, I feel guilty about it, because like you know, I feel guilty about it, but I also feel like, come on man, Yeah, but I mean that's the nice part though, is you know that they're gonna miss plenty of opportunities using that means to travel, and they're gonna find opportunities that you're not using that means to travel. Yeah, the smart thing would have been just to do it, just to slip off, just the ghost off the trail and then rip a big old bugle. What if he wasn't hunting and he just decided to be at dawn, I wouldn't have cared at all. Right, there's plenty of dudes in those little evil kinevil suits driving those trails, and during the daytime a motorbikes. I would look like, that's not even that's not my business. Is like, yeah, there's plenty of pleasure riders. But the thing the assumption you make is like they're usually in the cold gray light of dawn. Turn it out right, they kind of go there like they ride out in the daytime pleasure cruising. That's what struck me as weird as like you're hunting, you're hunting that zoom Walt deal. We would get up at normal wear ely archery, elk season hunting time, you know, four am, wake up, and then basically have get our gear ready, get sandwiches ready for the day. I have a couple of cups coffee, wait for it to start getting light, and then get going, just based off the fact that we know if we tried to go anywhere at night, we'd be bumping out the whole time. You know, me and Yanni were in the exact opposite situation yesterday where we were we went out in the morning to a state chunk to do some rifle shooting. We met up there at seven thirty am to do some gun shooting, and it turns out there there was some dudes trying to bow hunt, just eight section and they came and expressed there. One of them came and expressed his displeasure. Yeah, seven thirty in the morning, you gotta come out shooting guns. Yeah, early September multi use and we're kind of like, yeah, I got you, I got you. It's like I wasn't like it's legal. I was like, yeah, that kind of made me feel bad. It kind of makes me feel like dah now for sure. And the thing is too, like, if there had been any sign I think that somebody was haunting it, we probably would have made Plan B. Definitely, you know, but there we had no idea. No, and if I had known, you know. But then I was like, you know, it says you have these weird interactions. It's it'd always be better if someone could tell you, hey, tomorrow you're gonna have a weird interaction and here's what's gonna happen. Then you can plan out like, oh, here's what I'll do when I had that interaction, I'll be real cool. Yeah, and I'll have you know, I'll express this complex. That wouldn't be much fun. He said, you're like dah legal. One last question here. I know we got to wrap it up, but um, did you miss your production crew? No? Just your brother. No, I didn't miss anything about it. I took some cell phone videos. It was so good being back out with my brother. Yeah, dude, it was so good. That's why I didn't even want to shoot. I just wanted to have, you know, let him you know, party wasn't thinking if I just nose over this Cliff a little bit. I might be able to snag that bowl out from I was enjoying myself so much I didn't want to shoot. That's awesome. I love it, dude. It was fun. Man. He's a good hunter. Man. Yeah, he's a good hunter, like just because like the just the girl I love map out there an enormous amount of gur It sounds like a headcase. So like he does a lot of Like, dude, he bowls, having beat before he gets on the trail. No, he's like mad Jack. Remember Grizzly Adams. Yeah, he's like a crazy guy. Water and the hill man, I'm sure he's got I'm sure to be like. Oh, and there's an insane person that wanders the hills out here. You'll see him. He uses an alcohol stove and takes his time cooking. Yeah, like to listen for bugles. He's got a button for he's got his pants button. And you'll know his camp because there would be fifty half gallon bottles of vodka and gins thrown about. But he's not drinking at all. No, he's for carrying water. That's one thing I laughed about because he when he packs him as long as they got they don't have that much to carry. So he packs in tons of water and he drinks gin and tonics, and so all his water bottles are two Leader tonic bottles and in half gallon vodka bottles. And if you look, you can see the ratio when he empties his panniers out, you can see the ratio of like his ratio of vodka, like it takes him like three. It takes him like three two lead bottles a tonic to get through a half gallon of vodka. So the ratio is like fixed would be like six half gallons of vodka and eighteen bottles of tonic, all full of drinking waters in a pile. He just like throws him in a big pile. You're always looking at a good time, are you? If you roll'd be like one of these alcoholics. But they're all like you can tell, he's been using all these bottles for like years. At one time got him turned down to these army water bottles, and he had some reason he didn't like him, like he didn't like he's like he much prefers a good two Leader bottle with the label still at it. Dude, he's a good hunter man. He's good hunter. He's good hunter because he's like methodic. He's just a good hunter because just like the girl, he just just goes and goes and goes and doesn't care. It's like you could be like, oh, you know if you woke up and someone stole his boot. Right, he's just being but he's prepared for it. He's prepared. My boot's gone and he would just still hunt. Man, he's prepared for that. With the way at the rate that he loses pieces of gear, he usually has two or three pairs of foot wear with him. Yeah, he'd like kill a lum and rapids, hide around his foot and hunt another couple of days. Yeah, that cracks me up. Man, get to taken care of thom. Uh yeah, good jobs. That's probably the first boy you've ever called in for for a kill. Yeah yeah, yeah, good job. I learned everything. I learned everything. It's pretty sweet Montana home coming, right, that's your first now, because we used to go out and just try to get out and we killed elk like that, but just go out and get out in front of him and then that doesn't work and get out in front of them. But dude, it's so much more fun. So much more fun, cool cool, so much more fun. Things last longer. Oh yeah, when I first met you, you thought the calling out just made him run the the direction. For us, we had those same preemost bite and blowcall everybody else head. We don't know how to use it. You'd like blow that in it as the answer. You hear that. Oh that's good, Johnny, that's a good warring. Do your morning call again, far off vehicle. There it is, there it is. Oh hey, real quick, Anthony, keep plug white Tail Weekly. Yeah, if you haven't signed up yet for white Tail Weekly, go to the meat Eater dot com and do so. This is our new weekly newsletter that is all things white tail. Um, we're gonna be ramping up a ton of deer hunting coverage this fall. If you get this in your mailbox every week, you will see the coolest stuff. What's going on videos? Um, we have a whole bunch of series coming out, a lot of good stuff. So white Tail We go to v meat eater dot com and sign up. And also the final episode of dos Boat, our fishing show, available on YouTube. If you're going and type in like dost Boat meat Eater, YEP, you'll find it you'll find it six episode series six episode series, yeah on or you can find it on on our website um or you could go to YouTube find it there. Last episode will be coming out or it probably will be out by the time you hear this for sure, and then you can just you don't have to wait. Like all the suckers that just started watching and we've started releasing, you can just binge it. Man, you've done it one night. You can netflix that ship. I don't mean that, I mean you can go watch it all. That's right, all right, thank you. You guys don't know about it yet, but we just kind of are announcing this today that we here at Meat Eater bought a farm. Well, we're gonna eventually do it. This farm is uh is a surprise that will come out in time. But what we're doing first off is we're gonna take one lucky winner out to hunt with me and Mark Kenyon on this farm. It's in Michigan. We're trying over the next you know, a couple of years here to turn it into a wildlife paradise, not just turkeys and deer, pollinators, birds, everything, man. We want to make it bloom. We want to hunt there with you if you want to hook up with me and Mark Kenyon and win this hunt and come hang out we wild game at night, we'll hunt all day, we'll do all kinds of fun stuff for a few days. 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