00:00:14 Speaker 1: My name is Clay and Nukeleman. This is a production of the bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render, where we render down, dive deeper, and looked behind the scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f HF Gear, American made purpose built hunting and fishing gear that's designed to be as rugged as the places. We explore some of some of the conversations. Yeah, we put a little horse chocolate peanut butter, and what do you what do you call that? We call him cow paddies. Okay, Uh, they mostly calling them no bakes. My wife, their family calls him candy cookies. You can imagine my disappointment the first time I was informed that I would be eating a candy cookie and you delivered that. Well, gosh, I would rather this than a candy cookie any day of the week. I don't know what a candy cookie is, but I had sort of built up something in my head. And then oh, okay, well, imagine my surprise when someone said we were having no bay cookies and they handed us cow patties. When my mom's family, they were her dad was a cattle farmer with varying levels of success, and they made these one time and her sister was about four years old and she was watching her mom put him out on the on the tray and she said, those look like cow patties. And they started calling them cow patty and that's what we called them all growing up. I had no idea, no clue that anyone else would ever have anything else. And do you know the secret in our home in the newcome home to making a good cow patty because it's kind of tricky. Well, I'll tell people, you know a lot of recipes you need, Like just they talked about like you mix it in with a little love. We say anger, like you cannot make a good set of cow patties unless you're just a little bit angry at the end, because because it's it's getting the consistency exactly right, it's a little bit tricky. And in our family, the person who makes co patties is misty me. And when you get to that point, if people start to distract, he's like, I stop it, stop, don't talk about like there's like a golden second. Yes they've got you've got to just be completely focused. And so in our and I would be like, hey, these won't turn out right, and so they be running or they'll be dry dry exactly. And so in our family we started saying hold on. So sometimes when I make them and they're they're like running, everybody's like, ah, no, one was here to make you mad. And so it's like the family goal to make me really intense whenever, because that makes a good cookie. That's eggs for me. Eggs. Yeah, it needs a little a little anger in it. They were perfect this morning. I got really confessions, what's going on in the kitchen to make you mad? This morning? I said, if I had a superpower, what I would want it to be is that at any given moment, I could reach in my pocket and pull out a sausag jack and cheese biscuit. That would be the superpower you want. That's the or from somewhere, probably a Broms sausag jack and cheese biscuit. Yeah, he is the only guy that I know that actually likes Brom's Breakfast. I love Broms Sausagejack and cheese. I love Yeah, I like their dude, I love there. There's no bronze Hamburger. We should probably it's the precision that I appreciate that I'm interested a horrible and yeah, we're gonna just have to get right right to Clay Nuclem's gone and day he thought you were going to get to just say whatever you wanted to say, whatever, which the cat is away, come on, okay. So I was given instructions by Clay to run this like a meeting. Apparently that's the thing that Clay thinks I can do. Really well, who's taking minutes? I know. It kind of made me sad when he said that. I thought he would be like, run it like a party, no break, all right, So Clay Nucomb is out Britain. I just talked to him on the phone. He is flying into Alaska right now, is Steve Ronella. They're going on a moose hunt and we hope that he comes home with a moose. I mean that's cool and all. But when I heard that he was leaving, I just assumed that he was going to search the country for the next best bear, grease, bargain, barn deal. I thought he was going to be digging through barnes. I thought he was going to be commands and then he's like, no, it's a moose hunt, and I'm like okay, I mean, yeah, yeah, I mean great, that's great, it's great. But well, this would be the first moose in the Newcomb family, the first moose brought home. So we're really hoping that it works out. I'm gonna introduce everyone. We've got here. We've got to my left, Gary Believer Num. To his left, we've got Isaac Neil any new tattoos. Actually, well yes, since the last render. Yeah, I came down on Friday and I got a possum and raccoon. Okay, I think we're gonna need to do viewing. Yeah, we can do. Let me everyone real fast, while you're doing the rounds, talk to me about what's going to happen odor wise? Nothing when you pull the boots off, Okay, excellent, Yeah, you get you do the prep work for that. He pointed to his jeans and said, should I prepare for that? And I was like, what it's about to happen? Okay? Brand Over here to his left, we've got Britt Reeves here, we've gotten please right that. In the minutes that Brand answered, here we got Josh Spillmaker Okay, stop that all right? And then to my right, we've got old friend Malichi Nichols is our guest of honor. How you doing one of the inaugural original one of the g Yeah, for real, one of the originals, for real? How how things going sleepy? Why are you sleeping? Since I think since we've been here, I have another little boy. So we have two under two. Yeah, four weeks so since you got here today, but since it is just that important, Yeah, since i've since I was on last we have two under two. So I think the transition transition from one child to two is the hardest transition. I think from zero to one it is earth shattering, really right, but from one to two, it's just like you realize, like, oh, it's just an annoying it's just an annoying. Three. I've got three Green, I've got three kids, but they're spaced out from thirty one to ten. But my daughter has three, and she said having one kid was like having one kid, yes, and having to was like having to but having three was like having fifteen. Really really, I didn't feel that way. YEA one was a lot to was like Okay, we can do this, and three was like just keep them coming. I get one, and then one and a half and then one point seven five for each of the gaps. It's just like, now that we have four, it's like the first one kind of like, hey, Temple, can you go grab ezra, I'm trying to figure out your math here? One point five okay, okay, point five goving three is like one point seven five. And the transition from microf okay, from zero to one was loved it easy peasy, not easy, but like I was planning on some shake up, right, so it wasn't. But the transition from one to two, the girls were seventeen months apart, and that was super difficult. I mean just it was. I thought that was really hard. And after that I really thought, well, we could probably have twelve kids. There's there's it's just kind of logistically it gets a little bit more challenging. But when we got to four, we had four under five. Once you get to four, though, then you got to get a different car. It's true that everything is different. It's apparently illegal to stay at hotels. The hotel industry is anti family because you anti big family because you go in with four and they're like, well you can't actually sleep six people in your hotels, Like well, okay, ship you're about to so you go stay by yourself. Everything is just a little bit more logistically challenging. Okay, so have you introduced yourself. Oh, I'm Missy Newcombe, today's host of the Burgers podcast Live Goals here. Yeah, I've always wanted to be the best. Yeah, all right, Isaac, I see you've got your jeans lift today. I want to get your your legs are bared well actually, okay, let's see go a little higher. They're all the way up to the knees because you can't see the top wearing these cowboy cut jeans. And I don't know if I there were warned parent. Have you seen these tattoos? Yes, they're wonderful and terrible. Anna. Anna texted me mid tattoo and said I thought it'd be cuter, so she was there for it. No, I sent her a picture when the possumb done? How long did it takes three hours? Get the stemp? Three hours? To do both of them for three hours? Yeah, so they're you said they're wonderful and terrible. Yeah, tell us everything you mean by that. I don't know if you can elaborate on that. I mean you got to elaborate on that. The viewers, This is a podcast it's the tattoo artist that I go to. I really like him because he has this sort of wonderful folk art alright aesthetic about it. So it's like kind of bad and kind of perfect, very wabby sabby with the term okay, perfection of what Isaac says. I'm like, did you just make that up? I don't know. It could be really smart. I'm just delivering it with confidence. Yeah, so, uh, we can get a picture of those out there somewhere or something out there. Possums are kind of just terrible creatures but so wonderful. Like I wanted it to be grinning Wayne, who also lives out in the woods and grows his own food and all that stuff. Is like I wanted to capture the express of a possum the way I see it in my brain without it like being a cartoon. And I just look at this possum's eyes and I'm like, yeah, that thing is wild. I I have to be real careful because someone wrote into the Berries podcast this week on the iTunes and said, Misty seems Clay only read me this part, and then I was like, let me see what they said. He said, Misty seems kind of preachy and judge, but also like the most welcoming person. And I was like, man, that's that's back curate. Yeah, and then it's he didn't read it all to me about tattoos, and so I think I was getting called the preachy judge for Isaac's tattoos last. And I just want to clarify, I wasn't judging your tattoos covered in tattoos. I was. It was it's the way you and I'm not judging. It's just I'm making a statement. You are very fast with your decision making process. I totally understand how most people would you like this would be a lifelong decision. So it's going to take me. For me, it would take me roughly. Well, I still think they're going to be You're going to be valid and I think and for me, I feel like I could just get a spur of the moment face tech and not give a second thought to it. I think it's just my personality, just like it's amazing to me. I don't know how healthy that is. Isa I'll do. I mean, it's working out for me so far. I'll do. If we ever have a library during his undercovered days, make a homemade tat gun next time clean he is gone, let's bring the supplies and and let's I think would be a very entertainer. You gotta come more off of men. This is the most alright, hoe, Can I tell everybody what they can expect today? On a clayeless render. I can't wait. So there's four things that I've determined that people can expect. The first thing will be correctly pronounced words pronounced so possibly made up words or or made upwards, they can expect that they're ideally won't be any dogs scolding in the middle of the podcast, and everyone just keeps moving on a bashed mustache, brushing of the microphone. And last but not least, Misty to finish the story. Was bold of him to just drag you like that and then bounce hashtag let Missy talk. Did y'all see it? Hear it in this podcast? Yeah? It's it's like I was, Misty knows a thing about that, about that I know I would listen to it, and I was. Actually he'd been gone for about twenty four hours when I listened to this podcast, and so I was starting to miss him a little bit. And I'm in the car and I'm thinking about this podcast and how we're gonna do this, and you know, let's not be too poke, too much fun at Clay and all that. And then I hear that and I'm like, that, sucker, we have we have a Tuesday afternoon. Listened through one final pass at it right, me and him and Phil. I almost said, do you want to do that? Are we? Are we positive? We want to leave that in there? I didn't bring it up, so anyway, I thought it was a good podcast. Ye, and we're gonna talk about that the first Isaac Q. You have something that we're gonna talk about. Absolutely, we have the the inaugural Bear Grease Bargain Barn. We need good music for this. Yeah, what would be good music? I've definitely horns. Did they have Did they have music? Swap shop? We need radio and I don't warre in Arkansas k RF and they had the swap shop. Swap shop. I don't remember music. I dis remember. I only remember hearing the swap shop on AM radio too. Oh man, we had it on f him and me. Now that was like high quality shop radio station on your radio. And grew up and the only time I've heard a swapshot was when I got to Arkansas. Nice, I'm trying to take of it. I cried, listened to some stuff. It's Gary with the intro music. We finally have music, alright. So first up, we've got Garrett Smith. Um. He has a wood burning stove for sale with a floor plate and some stove pipe. As you can see in the photos which you guys can't see, but we'll try and describe it to you. It is in immaculate condition. Wonderful mountain scene cast into the side is reminiscent of Seven Brides for Seven Brothers. Anybody watched that, Yeah, it's a weird movie. The concept of the movie is, hey, Garrett is from Eldorado. A lot of people would say that's El Dorado and they would be, well, we've got an Eldorado springs in Missouri. So you're both on the same page as I'm saying, Garrett can be trusted. Yep, absolutely well, Um, if you are interested in getting this wood burning stove for five hundred buckaroos, you can contact him maybe his wife at be C C A R O S. E one two at Becca Rose on Instagram. It is a beautiful stove and if you are cold and have too much would that would be a good fit for you. I appreciate the fact too that he did identify that it is very exotic, having been made in Taiwan. Okay, yeah, yeah, I appreciate that. Yeah, absolutely. Hashtag in the description hashtag Taiwan is cool. All right, up next, Yeah, it is up Next, we've got Hayden Ferrari speaking of exotic names. Um, he has a full Solitude and a full Sanctuary two point oh kit for sale from First Light. These are last year's model with no wind proofing. Bowl sets were lightly used last year as the winner was very warm. The Sanctuary was worn one time, the Solitude was worn't just five times excellent condition. He's asking four hundred for the solitude. Okay, I'm trying to interpret what Isaac's reading. You interpreted, So the Solitude set is four hundred bucks, the Sanctuary set is five hundred and seventy five. Both together, he'll knock off fifty bucks for you. You can get ahold of him at ht f E r R A r I. That's at ht Ferrari on Instagram. Okay, pause, I think Isaac, you're really coming into You're calling on this as we go further along. At the end of that, when I heard more of an auctioneer. Okay, y'all hear that, I think I have a heightened level of stress because, um, I have like these coding issues. Where didn't I talk about code shifting, code code switch? You did, You've talked about codes one of those? First, I forget his whole lot kids changing the podcast before I know. So I've got like coding errors where when I read something, I say it differently or write it down differently. So I'm terrified that I'm going to read somebody's Instagram handle and say it. Then people are gonna be like, well, Hayden made of boo boo, you didn't put this size in there, and it's Hayden sized, and it's solitude and it's a it's a kit of pants and or jacket or whatever. All right, So if we could get a little more auctioneery, Yeah, I like that. What do y'all think it does? Even have a we're doing. We're doing, are right, but you're a little bit more. I'm going to try and sell these, all right, So up next, We've got this thing is quite a gem here, give it to you, what do you think? Well, and then I'll read the description. Well, I'm looking at the pictures and it's it's a pretty cool slate call. I'm a fan of slate calls, so this is my honorable mention. It's great, but he's made a huge gaff. Can you spot it? Okay, So it is a wonderful slate call. It's a slate call. It's made out of a turkey shell. It's a handcarved to look like an Eastern box turkey. Yep, turtle shell. This looks like every turkey shell I've ever seen. Turkey show our friend, our friend turkey call turtle shell. Okay, it was carved by Steve Starts and um, it's a one of a kind. It sounds good and looks even better. Let me know if you need more details, says Parker Batista. One of the details we need is an Instagram handle. So Parker, if you're listening, email back in. We'll bring it back up. But it was so wonderful I thought it was worth mentioning. It's it's like a tarrap and shell and and this tracker looks like a terrif and hit on there. Yeah, that looks like Yeah, yeah, absolutely, it's it's fully it's a turtle turkey. It's got turkey tracks around the edge of it. All. Right, up next, we've got one from at Chair one Creation. H A I R O n E c r E A t I O n s at Chair one Creations. It is a bear grease hat. Now, I've got questions as to why he's selling a bear grease hat on the bear Grease podcast, but we're not here to find out motivations. He's He's given it a good cell. It's a long piece. I'm just gonna cut to the middle of it. I have in my possession of bonafide bear grease trucker cap. But it isn't just any old bear grease trucker cap. This cap comes with a story and a lucky streak. This just might be the only bear grease hat that has ever been fly from. UM. Now, my my friend here, I I appreciate, you know, I feel some solidarity with my friend here because the underrepresented, unrepresented fly fishing community of bear grease. UM. I appreciate that's he's bringing this up. But to be so bold as to say possibly the only bear grease hat to ever go fly fishing my friend. I was wearing bear grease hats fly fishing before it was cool, before the podcast. And it's interesting to me that like this guy listens enough and is avid enough to like write in and do all this seems like a great guy, but not listening enough or avid enough to notice that you bring up fly fishing on every podcast I try to. Do you think it's one of your kids? They just kind of blank. He's a he's a. He's actually a fine looking gentleman, good looking dude, close crop hair with a nice beard. This is calculated, he's It's okay, okay, okay. Back to the story that said it was worn on one of the best fly fishing trips this side of Hotchkiss, Colorado, twenty in browns, dry fly hoppers and even more catching a gold metal water trout with bare hands. If you want to leave your mark on America's favorite hairpiece, by this one of a kind bear grease cap today and put that lucky streak to the test again. That's at Chair one Creation. I think I need to go find Mr Chair at Chair one Creations and meet him out in Western Colorado and both of us go fly fishing and wearing our bear grease hats n't then sell them as a pair O see which one has the better lucks. Yeah, I was gonna say swat before it, So you you can put that lucky stream all right? We got we got one more thing on the dial, a trade, And this one actually sort of put the whole concept of the bear grease bargain barn to the test because as someone who has competing interests with like doing a good podcast and doing what Clay wants, but also wants a lot of this stuff, and so it's like, it's not in my best interest to put it out to all of the listeners if I'm like, I kind of want this. My man is selling some mountain feists. Tin the Squirrel Dog is a treating cur also known as a mountain cur, also known as a feist. Is he a mountain feist as well? Is that another he could take that term? Yeah? So is this possibly like one of Tin the Squirrel Dog's relatives? Doubtful, This would be a different, different, different dynasty. Yeah, okay, so but similar good similar dogs. You know, Goshee him here, he's got everyone needs a good squirrel dogs. I'm sold on squirrel dogs. I'm looking at the squirrel Dogs Toyota pick up full of box and gray squirrels to prove that he has actually succeeded. I hope he's got a pressure cooker. Yeah. M jump in the middle here. He says, I am the proud owner to beautiful mountain fights. I take that back. I am currently the proud owner of seven beautiful mountain fist, but I need to get down to three. My male mountain fist Timber tim for short clay, and my female coyote Copper did what dogs do and my sweet copper girl gave breath the nine beautiful squirrel tree in machines. I've sold four of them, and we were keeping one for ourselves obviously, so my wife and both parents tree squirrels, and they both come from great stock with Champions squirrel dogs in their bloodline. I currently have one male and three females up for grabs. You can get ahold of him at Holden dot Mitchell dot thirteen at gmail dot com. So that's h O L D E N dot M I T C H E L L dot one three at gmail dot com for a mountain feist and a social security number, and we'll post that on I definitely think that Maliki and lindsay Nita a mountain feist in their life at this exact point getting a dog. I wouldn't pray that on anybody. So that that's all the listings we have. You know what to do to get a hold of these guys, or, in the case of the Turkey Box called you don't and so I hope Mr Parker Bautista writes back in if you have a listing, we're gonna be doing this every week. So you can write into Bear Grease at the meat eater dot com with the subject line BGBB or Bear Greasepargan barn with your particulars print. How many uh, how many context did you have? How many emails you have? Oh? Probably a dozen and a half. Oh pretty cool. Yeah, I expect that to grow exponentially. It was, it was, It was enough. There was some really good content there, but like I'd really like some cream of the crop listings. Did anyone offer to buy trans am of our Yes, I'm interested in that. Are our Banjo? Well, we had one email about Banjo, Okay, just curious excuse Clay changes his mind every week, so I have no idea. I got the email and if this guy comes down on the right day, it might work. It might work. The trip about tucking his thing and then two six shooters yet gave us. Yeah, maybe all over for the banjo sale. Man our son Bear has been you know, go into our the part. You know, everybody has like a shed that they don't are maybe not a shed, maybe not as much as us. The things they don't really use anymore. And Bear has been taking digging those things out, pressure washing them, fixing machines, selling them on on my Facebook messenger because he doesn't he doesn't have Facebook, which I don't. I doubt Facebook is really the big scary monster that it was, you know. But anyway, so Bear has been selling stuff on my Facebook messenger and has been looking to buy I a jeep or something like that and off road rig. Yeah, and so I am while I'm at work getting tons of messages from people asking very specific questions about about lawnmowers or about just all sorts of things that he's going to Like, he went to a friend's house, picked up their lawnmower that they said what didn't work, fixed it, sold it on Facebook. So so you know, Bears like got Uncle Russell blood, and you'll heard Clay talk about Uncle Russell, his uncle who ran a junkyard. Bear definitely has a strong Uncle Russell. And it's been it's been pretty entertaining. And it never occurred to me that people are seeing my name because I've never sold anything on Facebook Messenger. And then the other day someone said Misty and then they asked a really specific transmission question and I was like, what is happening right now? And then I said something to one of my friends, are like, oh, it's not you that's selling all that stuff on so even my close friends everything mowers and defense. I'm imagining a scenario in which your son is starting his own sort of Oh yeah, he's quite the entrepreneur. I was a little nervous that Bear was going to ride in. I really thought you might ride in audience. Yeah, well it's not too late. We've got we're looking for content him to include his Instagram. We won't know how to get ahold of it all right, Okay, y'all listen to the podcast this week. Oh yeah, pretty riveting stuff, some really good stuff. I thought it was very good. Yeah, the whole call your it almost is was I think it was who said he was like Forrest Gump, where you're I had the thought, I don't know if I said it out. I think I think it really does feel like Forrest Gump. Like you, he goes through all these like every single major He's just popping up here and there and yeah, interacting with people. I mean, when Clay said Jesse James brother, I was like, no, he didn't. It was kind of like when Forrest Gumps, Like, yeah, there were several points and I had to remember, wait, this is a movie, but this is actually this guy's live. On the Frank James part, I'd like to point out Clay was like, well, I would like to think that he would have arrested him, but like the competing interest there is. He was a secessionist from Missourian's that was certainly in line with you know, the Ninth Capital. They would have been of the same milk, right, like, uh so, I think that he would probably have been conflicted between the lawman portion of him and then the Confederate veteran portion of him. So complex guy, complex, complex guy. I mean, it's like a different direction at every turn. As I was listening to the podcast, you know, man, it just says so much about just be yourself, just do what you think's right. It just said so much to me, is what the way that guy was living? You know, he lived in some very tumultuals time, if not the most in our history, and yet he survived to be nanny years old in a place where that probably didn't happen. A whole heck of a lot, to go through a war, to be a wanted man, to be in shootouts, to live, just to live in that time and survive with something, but to do it with the odds that he had stacked against him from the get go. And then apparently it was just he called it Tuesday and got up and did his thing every day. That's a lesson, man. It's a lesson to a lot of folks. It's a lesson to me. And I was very enamored with me and still am. I cannot wait for this thing that I hope it never ends. Really, but a movie, Holy cow, interesting there in Clay have and I have discussed it, disgusted it, discussed it more than once. Speaking of today, inexorable was the one that got me this week. He said cavalry right the first time and then went back to his old I have to admit that that's one that I had never thought. I probably would have said calvary, Yeah, cavalry, cavalry. You've probably been wrong. Anyway, The idea of like this, um, it's hard to get into Holt's head and be like, what are his motivations? What's actually going on there? And and and really guess what he was thinking. But one of the things that you can see and observe, I feel like from his life is like, Okay, be that as it may. Here's the scenario. Now, what am I going to do about it? Is it right or wrong for him to have been born into slavery? It's wrong? Is it right or wrong for him to have made the best out of it by making a good relationship with the Master? It seems like that's what he chose, and so like it. It's an interesting nuance of like, these circumstances being as they are, What am I going to do about it? I'm gonna wake up today and choose the best life that I can. I thought that was really interesting. Yeah, agreed, I think it's interesting. We were we were talking earlier about you know, he made all that money and could have been a wealthy man, but he's he spent it. And there's part of me that's like, man, I wish he would have not gambled. I wish he would have not I wish he would have become a wealthy man and like laid up an inheritance. And and we were talking beforehand, and it's like, well, I mean, maybe you just he didn't want to. Maybe that's not a value to to this person, and maybe that's it was just an interesting, an interesting situation. Gary, what do you think? Well, it was. It was really unbelievable. I didn't think anything could get better than Boon, Yeah, or Jonathan's uh pod ask that that I like so much. But this guy just never ends. You know, we knew about Boon, and we knew about these get a lot of these guys, but this guy just comes out of nowhere. And what I like about him so much, I like about him. He did what he wanted to do. He he he didn't have to fight in the Civil War he wanted to. He didn't have to be a gambler he wanted to. He didn't have to shoot those people he wanted to. I mean, everything he did, it's it's almost a lifestyle where you just you just go, Okay, what do you want to do, Gary kno King with your life? You're fifteen years old? I go, well, you know, I want to be a professional basketball player. I want to I want to have some money, I want a big house, I want to g t O you know what I mean. And it just all happens. I mean, he just did everything that he wanted to do and unbelievable, unbelievable. But I might add he was only able to do this because he he he was very intelligent. I mean, this guy was and he was like a professional athlete. He had a baseball team. I mean, if he were in our world today, he would be a rock star. I mean he's sixty eight years old, he marries a twenty six year old beauty queen. I mean, tell me how many guys can pull that off? You know. So he was he was an unbelievable guy with an unbelievable life, and he figured out how to get some chewing tobacco up. And so I think Gary, one of the things that you're talking about, you know, I've heard Clay say that he's drawn to people who have a strong identity. I have this thing that I find men who are driven for something very interesting. And he had a drive, like there was a drive if he focused on something, he had a drive to do it. He was a bear hunter, he fought, he you know, did all these things. And I think that shows um, you know, I I think I I long to to have that in my own life. And I've recognized, you know, so many times where I haven't had that drive, where I thought, if I'd had more drive, I really could have succeeded in whatever X areas. So I think, you know, some of the things that that whole Collier did, you know, we might frown upon, you know, the actual action. You know, I don't want my kids to have a drive to be a gambler, you know what I mean. But but just to have that drive shows that that internal discipline to say I'm going to deny myself of certain things so that I can have that one thing. And I appreciate that about him, you know, I mean, it takes a lot of commitment and drive to drop what you're doing go into the woods and kill three thousand bears. I mean, it's it's not that's not something you're gonna do as a hobby, you know, you've got to have a drive to do that. You appreciate that. I see what you're saying, and I agree with all that. But life was so easy for this guy, And you know, I know you're probably thinking where you think you think he was extra like everything about everybody else that the Civil War was easy. Shooting these guys was easy. Breaking that horse was easy. Finding a twenty six year old beauty queen was easy. Everything he did, I'm not sure he had a lot of planning in it. He just wakes up in the morning and says, I'm gonna dominate wherever. I mean, he's not even thinking that. It just happens. He put his pants on like everybody else, one leg at a time, and then makes gold records. Well, if you if you ever played pick up basketball with Michael Jordan's, that's kind of the way I think he was at the risk of, um, sort of validating some of your takes and making it your head grow in size. I walked away from last week's render thinking like, I don't know about your take about of because like complicating this whole thing is the relationship of slavery, right, slave and master, And it's hard to call something love when one person doesn't really have a choice. That was something that Jonathan said is interview with Clay that you were mentioning. But I came back around to it maybe not holy in that in two instances in this podcast, one the people around him, even white people, not all of them clearly, as is evidence, there was sage and and no no sage. And the guy who has a Waterford Watson he clearly did not have any respect for. But I will say after that, the normative outcome of that day would be a black person killing a white person. He gets lynched like if if he doesn't go to trial and gets found guilty. So there are a lot of people who are willing to break the um racial norms of the time for this guy, and that is something that is beyond the normal relationship. There is admiration or respect. His former master clearly had a lot of that for him. But also the story of him coming back from Texas when he heard that his former it just like blew my mind a little bit because there was no there was nothing owed to him there. He had a job, he was in West Texas, he was there was no chance of him getting in trouble out there, and he gets wind that Heinz gets murdered, and he saddles his pony up and spurs the hair off of it till he can get back to Greenville, to a place where he is a wanted man. It's dangerous for him to be there, and he voluntarily goes in there to seek out vengeance. That's not in servitude, that is flat out love for somebody, which zooming out. I think that you can still hold on of these concepts of like there is something muddying the water over here, because the foundation of this relationship is slavery, which is abhorrent. Also, this is definitely going on by free will, by choice, and I think for me, the takeaway is just going back to the fact that this is a truly extraordinary human being, Like I like a guy who cannot be pigeonholed. The circumstances of two people meeting is left up its chance or whatever however it happens. What those two people make out of that meeting is the thing that's important. So I meet somebody in jail and we become lifelong friends and we love and support one another legally, I mean, you know what I'm talking about. That's what the where you met to me doesn't doesn't make any difference. Yeah, for me, I think the black mark if there, if there's a black mark on that relationship, it would be on Hines, which I'm I we can get off into the weeds talking about that. It certainly wouldn't be on Holt choosing the higher ground and being like, I'm loyal to this guy. I love this guy despite coming from this position. I don't know, what do you think, Melancha. I think Holt is a is a complex guy that I haven't like totally wrapped my head around what I generally think about him. You know, I think what what's what strikes me is not about Halt, but about the people that he was around and how they treated him. Um, I think we've I think everybody has talked about slavery isn't black and white, and how they treated their slaves isn't as clean cut as people make it seem, and how you know, the Southern attitude about race wasn't as clean cut as people make it make it make you seem or make you think. And I just think the the way that individuals around his life supported him, that was counterculture to what was prevalent then I think says something about I think just the portants of human connection, human nature, um. And I think that's what stands out to me about his life. I mean, I don't I don't think I would. It's hard to to sit in two you know, and give a perspective about a guy who was a slave, who went to the Civil War, who kind of just, you know, after the Civil War kind of just kind of ran freely in the wind. It's hard to kind of give your your current perspective on an individual like that in a complex um complex situation. But I think the way I think the fruit of his life is shown by how individuals talk about him and how individuals put their reputation on the line, because I mean to support, to support somebody like Halt in that time, whether through alleged murder, whether through you know, putting themselves up against you know, if if he gets in jail, I'm gon break them out, you know. At the Calvary um that says something about the fruit of his life. And I think to that, I can you know, tip my hat to versus like the particulars of his life and even me trying to give a two thousand perspective on a situation that I don't think, yes, I'm you might be real red in a in a particular subject in the particular area, but it's so complex that I don't think you can catch fully catch the nuances of of of what why he made his choices and why the individuals in his life made choices with support of him. It is complex because I can think of very few circumstances in where someone would murder someone and I'd be like, man, what loyalty? And yet that we're doing you do that with this story. I think we have different life experiences. I'm just saying, like when you, when you, there's all sorts of aspects of this story that are pretty complex that I think you know, your heart is kind of drawn to some of the themes, the theme of loyalty, the theme of of rise and above circumstances like those are themes that we can we can relate to, and at this point, at this place in our you know, in in modern history, we're looking back at those things and saying, well, those things transcend all the other stuff that we can't understand that that and and it kind of makes you think about like the broad strokes of your life and we talked about this a lot, just as a family, you know, with our our kids or young adults, and they're navigating all that, and that was not like a particularly easy stage of life for me. That was the stage of there was a lot of a lot of questions and a lot of there's just a lot to navigate. And I think part of what makes it so challenging is that you think when your twenties, like every single decision you make is the most important decision, and they are important decisions you're usually making around that time of life. But in reality, like I don't know, it seems from my kids, I hope that they can be a little bit less up tight and realize there's actually a whole big cushion around me. Like you can make a bad decision today. I mean, there's just a handful of decisions that you really can't make that are bad and that of life too, and you're like two or twenty three that God, Lee, I've got I've got some stuff. I got to get done. I've got to get done. I can't remember being such a hurry to get the house and my family and all that, and and then six and forty six and still having kids, So I mean, there's there's time, folks. It's also interesting to think about that that time of life, you know, from fourteen to early twenties, and just thinking about biology. His brain is not fully developed, you know, and I think that could play a part into why he takes what, from my perspective, so many risks to kind of get and go and and getting on a horse and you know, going to allegedly kill somebody like his his brain is not fully developed. And I think what I saw inside of you know, episode two, part of his decisions were a lot of how he was raised, you know, and how how how you raise what the unseaid values and said values of your your upbringing has a direct influence on your choices and who you become in later life. And and you know, it's not the it's not it doesn't end there, right, You have the ability to make choices, you have the ability to to do something different. So I just think it's it's interesting to look at it from that perspective of he's not fully developed and how he's thinking, you know, just biology wise. Additional additionally, it's it's like your risk assessment is going to look different if you have nothing to lose if you're starting from a place of like, hey, this is my position, but I could run off to Memphis and fighting a civil war. See what happens there. And it's like when we talk about like he's a great man in this way, and also he had these issues like gambling, it's like I think those things are one and the same. Like a lot of his life was gambling, Like let's just go see what happens when we do this. Yeah, he gambled every time he settled the horse, and he just happened to be really good at so many things that made him win. And then also figuring out which horse was fastest turned out to not be one of those things that he was great. But it was just like if you start from like without like this like nest egg or this security BNKET or whatever, there's a lot the risk assessment looks a lot different. And so like if you are always living in that place, especially when your brain is developing, then later on down the road, it's like more of the same. Please. Yeah, it's just interesting because we're looking at a ninety year lifespand years later, you know, I think an important part is if you've got foundational values, even though they might be real Lucy goosey and then I'll kill somebody or you know whatever. But you know, he didn't have to think about that. I mean, this work. These were reactions that came from the heart. So he got up every day, you know, looking for adventure. I don't know what it was, but he didn't deviate from his value system, which was pretty loose. So kind of his value system was I'm going to live my life the way I want to live it, and I am. He didn't. I don't think he realized this, but he was so far ahead of everybody else and in making life work that Hey, if he died, he didn't I don't know that he ever thought about that. He could care. I mean, you know, he was. He just he ran wide open. There wasn't a lot of gray area in his life or the way he lived it. It would seem it was pretty well, this happens, this is this is what happens when you do this, and this is what happens when when you do that. It was pretty automatic. Yeah, I think to your point on how unique he is, I would like to see a hundred people have a gun pointed at him their horse buck and have the wherewithal the pull gun and shoot a guy dead. That's pretty remarkable. I would think, like, I'm totally out of this. You had that happen. You shot a guy dead when your horse bucked. I didn't raise my hand then, Josh. But I feel like that's a common skill set and it probably goes to the like, uh, this made this analogy may not make sense. But I got on a kick about reading books about mountain men eighteen thirties, like Going West, and I was like, man, I was born in the wrong time. I should have been done that, born born this time, should have done all this. And then I got to think, and I was like, no, like I would be one of the like countless guys who went off into the wilderness and they never heard from again. Just like one of the things that's really unique about is like, I'm sure there was a lot of guys who lived that way and had one bad day where they didn't you know, they didn't make it. But he was just so uncommonly good or lucky or whatever that like he made it ninety in it and it worked out. Yeah, it's kind of incredible. I mean, really his life story that he made it to ninety and also has the story about the horse bucking. Yeah, the gun and brought it down on him and was an inch higher and didn't make the horse buck. He might be dead, but he also took that and had the skill to pull out his gun and shoot the gut. It's just yeah, remarkable. Yeah, I thought, was it ms Blanton, the mother of Greenville? I thought that was a pretty crazy story that she basically talked him out of killing her husband. And I thought, if one of you was going to kill Clay, Yeah, could I prevent you just by asking you not to? Just politely asking not to? Do you think that would work? You bring those cookies all? Do you think that was like some some social aspect that I don't fully grasp, like the I know, man, I know in my heart threat to do it wasn't malicious because he killed him by accident. He's trying to stab another guy and he wind up stabbing Hines and killing him. I think if he had done it maliciously, there would have been nothing that could get him on the trail. Yeah, he liable to shut her and the dog almost like he had this honor burden to do something about it until something until she was like, please don't, and he's like, I think the difference was it was an accidental I agree, because I think if he had maliciously done it, I don't think anybody could have saved him. And and and for the sake of storytelling, I'm sure some of it gets condensed, but I wonder how much of it was. He was in West Texas and here's so and so stabbed your you're dude. He rides back to Mississippi and when he gets there, he hears the whole story, like, ah, well, came all this way. I kind of gotta follow up on it. And this plant is like, please don't, and he's like all right. Also, to Malachi's point, he's a little older the prefrontal cortexas he's able to calculate several days of writing, yeah, this a little may it may have been the first grape or orange drink and plug in the back and he got for yeah, yeah, now I found my calling in life. Yeah, you know, it was just another easy decision. Life was just his puppet man, his way. I see this guy, you know, you explain what happened, and he goes, okay, that makes sense. I'll go back to Texas or I'll kill somebody else. Yeah, I will kill some bears. You know. Part of the podcast that I really enjoyed was here in Minor talk about the men at the end. What a what a what an honorable recounting of these people that influenced him and that he loved and cared for, and that that that means a lot to me. I've I've I have a lot of appreciation for the relationships that I have in my life, and just to hear him talk about it with such such fondness and such reverence of these these guys that worked hard, and you know, maybe in the rest of the world's eyes may have been discounted, but he recognized the intelligence and the and the the ethic that we're inside of them, and how much he appreciated it and drew things from their lives to apply to his own was what really meant something to me too. Yeah, I think you know with that, I think that stood out to me as well. But I think if you look at you know, why Monor did this, and you look at Halt as kind of like a type in shadow, and he said this like for for people who this system like didn't allow them to thrive, right, And and that's just not a race thing. That's there's multiple people in multiple races that this them didn't allow you to thrive. And I think, you know, you look at Holts life and it I think it shows the the potential when I think things potentially work for everybody where people can hone in their skills, people can make connections, people can quote unquote you know, interact with individuals who they wouldn't necessarily have the ability to interact, and their life produces fruit. And I think Holtz life represents it's just a type and shout of various individuals who either could produce fruit inside the life or individuals who had the the potential to produce that type of fruit, but the system prevented them from from from from producing that type of fruit. When I say system, that could be like an individual choice, right, That can be somebody's your boss's perspective of you that prevented you from from you know, rising, or that could be anything. And so I just think it's I appreciate people who take time to to get somebody flowers when they can smell them, you know, and and show that you know, everything getting peachy. But there are people who are who just life sets up in a way that they can produce their fruit. And it shouldn't make you thankful and make you a preach stuff if your life is producing fruit, no doubt. Yeah, I think that was probably my favorite part of this podcast, this particular episode. I thought, again, it's just so intriguing, the whole his whole life story, and it does make you think, I think one of the things that guys like whole call your and hearing their stories, because you know, this is a man whose story was not told for for decades. Yeah, I mean what, no one knew this. People didn't even know this guy existed until really the recent the recent history. And um, can we give a big shout out to Miner's daughter. Surely that book was dedicated there. Surely she got the dedication at the begin anyway. But anyway, so you know, you've got a man whose story wasn't told and and wasn't heard until just recently. And you think about I think that when you hear those stories, and when you hear about a man who who rose above so many circumstances, and I agree with Gary, I mean, clearly he's got these extraordinary, extraordinary talents, but also I think that there is something inside of his character that that is distinct, that's that's different, like the and and it. To me, it always comes back to loyalty. And even sitting around the fire with Teddy Roosevelt, he looks at the grandson of his lawyer and says, well, can I tell Can I tell that story? That was the thing that I was thinking of, like what kind of I just like to pause for just a second and point out that Isaac has not let me finish a couple of stories. Go ahead, I think, go ahead, Sorry, But I was just listening to that, thinking like, how many people like how uncommonly like magnet magnetic? Is this guy that like he has long lasting aationships not just with the lawyer but the next general right hearing that was just like we didn't touch on that, like just hanging out with the guy years and years. So people who do that make you think about To me, their life makes you think about your own personal philosophy, your own personal responses, your own personal view. And I think the complexity of his life and his responses and his decisions had it makes me think about like broader things. Is it okay that he gambled away his money, Like Am I good with that? Like? I So, I've kind of been thinking about that since I listened to the podcast, just like you know, and I can. I can reason away a bunch of that stuff and and and and get to a good place with it. Not that it matters what I think, but just as I'm as I'm evaluating his life, it does. His life and lifestyle makes me ask my own questions about my life and my life philosophy. And I think these stories are so great and I'm grateful for mine affairs Buchanan for telling it. And I thought the his reason why he invested so much of his time and energy into it was a very honorable I found. No. I thought that was a great a great way to end it, in a great way to God, bless it. What is happening here? It's all the chair. I just I don't I don't know it's morphing into Clay. I'm going to get out, get on one of his mules. I don't know what's happening. I don't even know what I was going to say. I don't know that he invested a year and a half in making his own thing and then said like, this doesn't help whole like the history, this doesn't tell this guy's story, this is my thing, throws it away and starts like that was a lot of work. Yeah, yeah, you know. They talked a lot about the about him, asking if he could fess up to that he that he killed James King, he'd already be he'd already been acquitted to that. Yeah, double jeopardy. Yeah, what is double jeopardy? That's how you're supposed to phrase that. But no, that's the deal. They couldn't try him again. You can't be tried for the same crime. No, he could have walked out of there, get on that pop the wheelie on that horse in the front of the courthouse and said I did it okay, but could appealed it if no more evidence came out. Once you're acquitted, that's it. Now, that's the that is true. But Brent, I think in the next episode some fishy stuff happens. That was the other thing that I was going to say we were going to have today is Yeah, it's a good thing I didn't say it because we would have blowne it right there. Yeah, So I think the next episode is going to be pretty great and I think it's going to be our final, the final whole call your tune in next time, next time, Batman, excuse me. Clay alluded to a movie, and I just think about this as a movie. Holy not being awesome. Yea fast almost. You don't almost have to do one of those new like full blown mini series where you get ten episodes. I don't think you could fit it into a movie. You'd have to do like here's here's the whole call your movie. Tune in next time for where we cover everything after he turns eighteen. It's insane, all right, okay, well any other Oh, we didn't touch on the bear inside the log story, we don't have time for it. But remarkable trapped inside of a log by a dead bear that's gotten bloated, insane. Yeah, yeah, one of the many super crazy. Yeah, that would be the high point of someone's life. That would be the best story they had to tell. Definitely not be the high point in my life. Getting stuck in a like it might be the most remarkable. It's like this scary thing that I think could actually happen, and now that I know it has happened to someone, that's an impossible thing that could happen to me. Yeah, definitely a high point. Ye. Anybody else got closing thoughts, final thoughts. I'm ready for the next one. Good stuff. Yeah uh No struggle without Clay Bow, no struggle with no struggle with a him here, It's all good, all good. I think I'll be honest. I'm miss him. I'm missing I'm his little face, even if he doesn't let me finish the story open to now. You haven't had to have to end to any story, No I haven't. I'm a terrible finisher and something that my whole family knows when it's time to leave. It's like shoot moms in their Yeah, well, I'm also a terrible finisher. Like I can't get out of a situation. I can't Clay and the kids. I'll say that I find it impossible to leave. It's like if there's an a fit, so we're just gonna have to cut it off real abruptly, like my kids getting out of a situation. Make sure to write in to bear Grease the Meat Eater dot Com with your bear Grease bargain barn deals and we'll read him next week. I'm a nd see it. Then his birthday, poor

Save this episode