00:00:14 Speaker 1: My name is Clay and Nukeleman. This is a production of the Bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render, where we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f HF Gear, American made purpose built hunting and fishing gear that's designed to be as rugged as the places we explore. There's there's three things that I check my phone for emergencies at work, and there's only a handful of people that consume me. Those our kids, you know, getting stitches from work, which I don't think they knows how much of my life is devoted to chaper chauffeuring and organizing show first for our children. Um. And then the third thing that would be an I'd look at my phone for would be to fact check. Clay feel like your job here is to fact check, not to fact check you. But sometimes you'll be like, I don't know, look that up and I'll just do it right then and then I'll come back on the podcast. I mean, I think I'm a valuable as really diplomatic way to say that. And then in that way, hey, let me let me tell you all a story. Okay, this actually happened this very day. Story, this happened this very and this this is going to set up other stories inside this podcast. Okay, so it's important that you pay attention. You may not be able to tell. But I've kind of been the fitness um and I was running this morning and I run a very long stretch. I won't tell you how far I run, but was running down the highway and I had actually I stopped to walk a section because I was running so far that I was walking down the highway, lonely stretched two lane highway. I've done this for years, decades. One other time, one time someone stopped and asked me if I needed a ride. He was driving like probably a nineteen eighties late model work truck. Rough guy, no A A C. And he was like you need and I was like, no, I'm good, I'm exercising. Oh okay, guy. Today years later, hundreds of cars passed me every day. A guy slows down and I feel him slowing down, and he stops and he goes. He leaves his window up, but he points at me and he points in the seat like the passenger seat, like like you you you want to ride right here? And I smiled real big, and I go no, and I do my arms like I'm running, like because I can't talk to him, He's gotta win it up. Is it not obvious that I'm covered in sweat and I just look like a dirty guy walking down the road. And he stops to pick up this dirty guy walking down the road, and it's like, you want to get in my truck and ride with me? And I do arms like I'm running, and I say I'm running, I'm exercising, and he goes oh. He does like a big like old face, and then he does the running thing. He does his arms up and down and I go yeah, and then he pumps his fists like yeah, good job, fitness. Way to go, and then he drives off. And the man was wearing a pair of overalls. He hadn't been in his early seventies, gray headed, nice beard glasses. Here's the hook of the story. He had a pair of decals, big decals on the back side of his truck of a man riding a mule, beautiful like a silhouette. You know how guys will have pictures on tavin. Do you know about that? I know my pictures. I'm a little bit of an artist. Yeah, I draw things. Huh yeah, you give me a pen and pad, buddy, holl go to town all day long. It was like someone like you had done that, and the and and there were these huge exaggerated ears. So it was a mule This was a mule man. And as soon as he went around the corner, I was like wanting to wave him down. I just wanted to talk to the guy. But that, to me displayed the the internal character of you know, a mule man. I thought you were gonna say it was the same feller that stopped years ago. I thought that was the hook man. That would have been a good story because you're like, now he's got a beard and he's all old kind of thing, and he only do sign language because you don't like to row to window down. He would have had a nicer truck. Welcome to the Bargaras Podcast. Everyone. We've got a We've got a fantastic uh line up for you today. Um. I'd like to introduce the people here. As usual, I will get introduce our guest. At the end. We're gonna go counterclockwise, which usually is is it's different than usual. I would like to introduce my dad, Gary Newcomb. Gary Black Panther Knwcombe sitting over in the corner with the mannequin of the with a black panther head right there in the believer head, yeah, and the believer hat. How you doing, man, A real good, real good. You've been playing golf a little bit, a little bit. Do you hear my comments about I did? How did that make you feel? Well? I think that's one. You're a loser man. Uh no, no really, Uh, you weren't cut out for it. But but you did the same thing. I mean, you had a lot of diversity. Yeah, that's all I was saying exactly. I felt like I hat tipped to exactly what you wanted to see. But also you were a specialist. I mean, you know, your your diversity was fishing, canoeing, hunting, redneck looks, good looking women, I mean, and I'll fit in there. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, No, I had to bring you up in that because that was a good question. Okay, that was just the intro. Man, it's gonna be hot today. To Gary's right overpassing our guest is Missy KNEWKEM welcome, ms nukemb the only good looking woman right. That's exactly right. The rest of them. That's exactly right. So there's something we got to talk about later. Um, I'm gonna wait. There's a campaign going on in the world that I would like for Misty to introduce. But first of all, Brent Reeves, great to see you. We're in a good overalls. Bring Whalen Jennings hat. That's whaleon hat since generic when your coon dogs names Whalen and he's named after the one of the icons of outlaw country music, real country. Using it doesn't it doesn't hurt. It's just a it's a happy coincidence. So but I like both of them. Okay, Well let's see a bran back to the middle we have today. Tavin Dillard. How are you doing, man, I'm good. It's a it's a pleasure to have you as a guest. Hey, it's good to be here. I'm glad you have to air on it here. It's hotter than the wolfstock futtle baked beans out there. I'm glad I found my way in here. Yeah. Man, it's got a cool down in the office. Well you called us the office, Well I call it the Global Headquarters of former Global Headquarters of the Bear Hunting magazine. There's an acronym for it, um f are. I don't know. I don't know. That's a lot of spelling. That's a lot of words you're thrown out. But I'll tell you. I'm glad to be here, and I hope I can be a help. I'm not sure what we're doing today. If we taxidermy and animals were we're just talking about them. But I'm game. What do you think of the office, man? I love it. This is the first time in here. I got my feet on a bear. That's right, that's rights antlers. I don't want to lean into this thing. These things are sharp over here. Yeah, what beel? You aren't that one? Didn't you? And who's that behind me? Yeah? Big bear right behind you? How did he get here? Did you do that? I mean in the space. I wouldn't say I did that, that's not the words at a full mount uh full body, But I would say this is a bear that I that I harvested, that I killed, ate his meat. Yeah, that's what I meant. Yeah, I just thought I did was a quicker way to say that. Where are you from from? Kansas Chancellor Park? Really? Yeah? Is that where you grew up. Yeah, and I got here on my back today. Yeah, it's not that far from a global headquarters. Well not too bad. And I've seen that you know, the door was unlocked, so yeah, we had an extra spot. So appreciate you, Tavin. I know your mem all. She she called me on the land line and she said that in about thirty minutes, you gotta roll. I know, I know. She wanted me to fetch the mellow yellow for and she got her on a bag of hot Price and and I ain't gonna give her those because they had one back left, and I'll bring her support Ryn's She's gonna be fine. But she do like to stick to a schedule, and for some reason things she thinks I gotta stick to her schedule too. And it's gonna be with us for like just for a little bit, just enough to say, hey, yeah, it's great to have you here. Man, it's good to be here. I appreciate you man. Miss Newcomb. Would you like to introduce the new campaign that's been started on your behalf and explain what it is. If you don't, I would be glad to explain it. I would like to have my representative introduce it. But if you want to explain it. That's fine. Well if I introduced it, would it would it would make the point exactly. Okay, I'm following you. Go ahead, Brent. Hashtag let Misty talk. And it's time. It's way, it's past time for this. I read the review. We get a five star review. Now that's what this guy is. He's indeed, he's indeed, but he says quote, I love everything about the podcast, but it drives me crazy. Every time Missy tries to tell a story, Clay just cuts her off. I feel so bad for that woman. I think my mom wrote that. She just wrote down what. I'm zipping my lips thoughts. I guess you let her talk, buddy. I mean, that's that's not even like a subtle you know, like wink wink. Maybe don't do that. Just let Missy go. You got a story today, Missy, you got something you want to talk? I got lots. I need a shirt. I need a shirt. Hashtag let Missy talk. We're just gonna take the next few minutes and Missy, you just you just take us where you want to go and I'll try to talk. On the second. Let me let me say something on that. It is true though. Clay always he likes to he likes to be the one. And we've got one of our kids is like this too. They always like to be the one that drops the punchline. And he always he always thinks that he drops the punchline better than me, and he definitely gets there faster. But it's he likes to. Uh well, actually he doesn't. Did y'all hear how long we had? He he's struggling, biting his tongue. What don't you tell that story? What happened? He's so excited and then you start telling and he's like, she's doing that when he really wants his missy team me up so I could tell And that's what he always does, like do you want me to tell it? It's like, well, I was kind of enjoying telling it. Okay, let me let me this is the way this goes, Tavin. Yeah, buddy, you'd let me know if your memal I retreated you like this? Uh same. So there will be this incredible story that should take five to seven minutes and have some enthralling content inside of that, and the punch line is and then the turkey flew off this example punch line, Um, I'm not gonna he's looking right at There are people that sometimes will tell this incredible story. It's this moment that you have with this people, and they might be like, yeah, they went hunting and then the turkey flew off pause and then no. No, I'm always rushing to get to the to the punch line because i know I'm going to be interrupted. If i don't get there, I'm not getting it. So I've got to get there pretty fast, just just on a podcast or just suppers. And there's there's certain contexts that it comes out more and and I appreciate Clays trying to keep things on, you know, in a row in the podcast. So so I'll allow it. But but also I've noticed that when we are when we're with my family going often I'm not kidding, my family is like a high interruption. There's a lot of learned. If you're gonna talk about it, you better get it in. If they've been around people like that. I've heard people that tell the fol stories like out a way, Yeah, But I guess what you're saying is you don't want to start the story like, hey, you want to hear about the time the turkey flew off, and then you go into your story and you're done told everything like, you gotta build it up. You gotta keep people caring about what you're doing. I do that all the time. Yeah, I did that all the time. Whether I can buy ramping, doing cannonballs at the city pool, trying to catch a turkey salmon, I mean, all those kind of things. You gotta figure out how you're going to let people know that they wish they should have been there, you know kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, hey, I know. Do you have I heard a story one time you told about crow? Yeah. I mean there's a hundred scarlies about crows in my trailer park. Uh when first of all, they like to eat food. Everybody knows that, just like any animal, they eat food. That's how that go. You know, they ain't made out of play though, they animal, so that's how. So anyway, it's Candy Roy. She little girl on the trailer park. She knocked on my door. I don't know how she had a full adult grow growed crow adult Uh like gets away both little hands. I don't know how she knocked and she caught that thing. I asked her why, and she said this because they're easy to catch, which that really ain't a good reason to do stuff in life, you know, just because you can do it. And then uh, she wanted to make a house out of there's a cardboard box underneed my trailer. She wanted to build like a house and put a prairie dress on it. And but all of this was news to the crow, Like he was looking at me like, bank bank, can you help me start? Like I don't fake crow, but like looking at his little bank banks, I was like, I'm pretty sure he don't want to be here. So I came up with an idea. But the thing about it is dim crows. They you know, like I'm a good cannonballer at the city poo and people's like, how in the world's having you get so good? It's like, I don't know, how does the crow know to die bomb open bag of onions? They just born with it, you know, like out of way. So the thing about it is dim crow's being after my snacks in the trailer park. After Candy Delroy caught it and said, I'm gonna put a bonnet on you in feririe dress. You're gonna live in that box? Uh, I said, Candy, if you you love that crow. She goes, oh, yeah, I do, And I said, why did you let that go? And if it fly back, you know it's meant to bake County crow. The crow thought that was a good idea, like he ain't got dumb because you know about crows, they got wings. But when he flowed up, he was like bank Bengalo, thumbs up, like over shoulder, like yes, I don't know if they have shoulders. Yeah, that's kind of what he did. That's what I felt like he did. I don't know where a crow's shoulders start, if they even have. Him kind of chroologist. But he blowed away happy, and I was like, Candy might have done the trailer parker favor. Because they don't want to. They're gonna tell their friends, hey, don't go back over there, and that's then I can leave my funnions out, hot prize out, powdered doughnuts. Uh. They like dr Pepper Two didn't know doubt about crows. Really yeah, how did they drink a dr pepper straw straw? They love the straw. I didn't think they'd have the suction capacity. You and me both Clay give and me both funny. But it interesting. Yeah, you're you're wearing a pretty cool shirt. Uh. Yes. The turkey salmon, they're pretty elusive, very rare. Talk to. Well, you know how to call it turkey? Yeah, okay, Well I know how to call it turkey salmon because it's two two parts with a turkey salmon, because one is a call. But you gotta get up, you know you you know how the salmon swim out the water like that a way and then they're hard to find. Well, I'm like a salmon. Imagine your mind's eye if you're a listener at home, because the podcast for your ears, so they're listening. Uh, the sam going out to water. You gotta you gotta give it to shake if you're gonna try to catch the elusive turkey sam. Okay, yeah, So it's a two thing. Like somebody you can call a turkey. All you need your voice, you call turkey salmon. You're gonna need the body too. Is there turkey in here? Oh? That was clay? Yeah that was good. Interesting, You got me interesting. So that's good. So I mean, if you ever catch one, I hope you get it mounted in here with these other animals, because I ain't been able to catch the turkeys. Uh, I've never seen one tavern, but I'll be looking out for him. Yeah. Hey, uh, let me know if you have any insight into this. This is a this is a a real, a live deal that do you remember the radio show back in back in our hometown where every morning they would just sell stuff. People would call in and sell stuff like a swap shop dilla trade, Like it's pretty common. We're gonna start a new section on the Burgrease render of like a Dillar trade essentially, and I'm gonna be the first guy. I have something that I legitimately want to sell. Okay, And this may be a little bit of a whip lash from maybe what you've heard me talk about from last week. Um, do you remember I talked about the mule banjo last week? That last render I went into detail of all he's done. So it's a long, complicated story. And for people that don't have mules or equon animals, don't even pretend to have, think that you have an appropriate level of empathy for a man in my position? Okay? Is that fair? I mean, like, if you don't have a mule, oh, you don't know what I'm going through. You're just guessing. You're doing that's it, You're just guessing. Well, my friend Ty Evans T. S. Mules answered on his podcast T. S Mules podcast about what I should do to fix Banjo, and he gave a great answer, and it was I mean, it's like as good answer as could have been given, you know, and uh, I, I just don't know. Did I can do it? And Dad, last time, when I told Banjo's bucked me off twice, he's kicked me once. I came across a picture and I can't show it because it shows some delicate parts of a man's body high on the outside right thigh, okay, and there was a big black spot about as big as a baseball right there on on my leg where he kicked me. So Dad said, last time, you were like, answer is easy, sell it. And then I was like, nah, man, this is gonna be a good mule. This is gonna work out. I can work through this. And then this week I go to meet a man that was on the former Barony Magazine podcast named Lloyd Holly. Lloyd is an older gentleman in his seventies and basically made a living for thirty five years in the Mule Business had a mule farm called Hollywood Mule Farm. Oh yeah, you did a podcast podcast with Lloyd Holly. I was with Lloyd Holly this week. We were looking at my friend Michael Lanier, who's considered buying a mule. Me and Mr Lloyd Holly are sitting there watching Michael Lanier ride this really nice mule around, and I begin to tell Lloyd Holly about my situation. And there's something I like about people when and it's not always right, and you can't always trust this type of advice, but I like the certainty of it. And sometimes this type of certainty just captures you and you're just like, yeah, that's the right answer. I like. Given the extended version of Banjo's progress, and I go, what do I do? Mr Lloyd And I expected him to go, well, Clay, you're probably gonna need to do this. You're gonna need to do this this He said, sell it. Wow, that's what your dad? What do you think think about that mule? I mean, once I get kicked in the upper thigh with a big old bone bruise and your pet probably had deep bone bruise, I'd be I'd probably be done trying to write that thing, especially that ain't the first time, right, yeah, yeah, Well, I mean if it was one of your children, you hang on to him a little while, or maybe they're getting close to being raised and out the house. I don't know. You can't set up mule free like that, like go to college kind of thing. So oh, I thought you were saying if it had kicked one of my kids. You know, I'm saying, like, if you got a child that's giving you trouble. You don't quit on a child, but you might quit on the mule. Boy, I see it. I don't know, though I ain't met this band Jim speak, so that that's reflection of a man's internal character. I don't think. So, well, what do you need that mule for? For? Lots of stuff? Taba? Does it do that stuff you need it for? No, So you say, so it ain't old. This is a juvenile he's going through Okay, he's going through a rebellious stage exactly. Well, you just hope he comes out on the other side, because if he get into some of them extracurricular things teenagers get into, he may be no good for you later down the road. I don't know. I don't know what mules get into when they rebellious. But if they're kicking me like that, they're powerful. I know that that could have broke your leg. But that being said, uh, this is a nice mule. Um, so he is now officially for sale, like for real for sale. And uh, I don't know how you can contact me if you'd like to purchase this mule, but I want to say he's for sale, not on sale. And uh, he's actually a very very beautiful mule. He's uh, it's kind of a sort a light sorrel. He has white socks, which it makes him a flashy mule. He's right at fifteen maybe a little bit over fifteen hands. He's been packed on quite a bit, Like you could take this animal and use this pack mule today. And I've written him twelve or fifteen times. It sounds like Brent wants to buy him. No, Brent's a mule poor right now. I'm good. So it's a beautiful animal. I just don't know that I can get him over the hump. So the mules for sale, and uh, you know, make me an offer. You know what dollar trade though that you could trade like if somebody offers you something else? Would you trade him when you just want money for that? Oh, that's a good question. I guess it matters what they had. Let's let's just think about that for a second. What trade would would be worth Banjo a new Chevy Chevy Silverado'll pick up? Maybe Okay, somebody mow your yard for you. Well, the meals for sale. So that's that's all I got to say about that. I got to contact you to get the price. Yeah, and I'm not always that accessible. They exactly how to sell things, right, he gets things and he's like, I'm gonna sell it. And then he's like, I'm putting the mulet for sale, makes a public announcement. There's no way to reach me to get that mule. We gotta keep him exactly exactly. And this is and I'm not putting Clay up to sell the last coon dog that I had. I had him sold two times. Now, you tell me if you think this is a reflection of internal character in a negative positive way. But a guy was coming to my house like the next day to buy this dog. But I told him before he came. I said, buddy, I'm taking this dog coon hunting tonight. And if he does good tonight. That may affect your trip tomorrow, because I may tell you he's not for sell anymore. But I'll see you tomorrow at ten am. A scooter, wasn't it. Yeah? And then I go hunting, and what do you think Scooter did? He did a good job, He did a great job. And so at midnight I text the guy and be like, you should have bought him white had the chance. And then I did it to the same guy twice, and then finally the third time, when I really wanted to sell the dog, like for sure, I was a little embarrassed to even contact the guy, and so I didn't, And so I ended up giving him to a kid over in Oklahoma who's hunting him to this day, and Scooters doing real good. How many times I tell you you gotta you gotta give him, you gotta give him a shot. Hashtag save Scooter. I ain't even put that out there. Yeah yeah, and put that on Instagram, Yeah yeah. If you ever Coo nutted a tavern, no never. I mean, I've chased him, but I ain't been out going a dog and in a un you know kind of thing. We could go tonight, pretty swift footed really, I could get a raccoon in the headlock, but I don't know if I could take them all the way down, you know kind of thing. Now, I'll go with you, take me out. Now. I've heard you talk about peacocks. No, but I've seen him. They tear you up. They ain't friendly. I ain't friends. But but I drawed a picture of a fully mature peacock that had a squirrel in a headlock. And the squirrel was so ribarrassed because I mean, uh, they're getting people's gardens. Folks can't catch them all day long. And here comes up fully mature peacock with no thumbs. You don't know about that. Yeah, they just got wings locked him up boom, And that squirrel was so sad kind of thing. And so I drawed that picture once because I'm a little bit of an artist, you know, like we talked about that. But no, when I was a little kid, I've seen one get ahold of a five year old like cousin of mine, scratched up the back of her a little back, you know kind of thing. Uh, they don't want to be your friends. I don't know. Have you been friends with a peacock? The only time I've ever communicated with one was I remember once I've been down the road and had my windows down. We're coming back from a turkey hunt in Madison County Wildife Management Area over in. Uh what Madison County? Have you been there? Yeah? I've been there? And uh, I remember a peacock sounded off right at an opportune time for me to hear it while I was driving. Can you do the same? Corresponded with the turkey hunting story, and so, uh I yelled at the peacock as we drove by. What does that sound like when the peacock yell okay? And then what did you do? I just went okay like that? And then you guys were friends or what? Okay? You might have made him mad, kind of like that guy you tried to sell the dog too. Dad. Do you have any questions about Tavern? Tavern's background or anything. He's got a good looking bicycle out there. I mean it looks like it was probably it's got some miles on the swin in the nineteen fifty nine. I I got a question for you. Gary said, okay, that's good man. Hit me, So I I the turkey salmon clay just said he ain't never seen one, and I don't doesn't feel like to be a person because you gotta believe he had on and people say you ain't never seen one of them? How do you handle that kind of I don't know, faidback, the cynicism, Yeah, the the pushback or the criticism. You sort of had to look at the i Q of the person, you know, So does that consider where it's coming from? Yeah, there you go. That's a better way now. On the interwebs, I don't know. I don't know them. You know, they'll just wing out comments like when you're gonna get a turkey salmon. It's like when you're gonna get one. You know, That's what I'm thinking in my head. I don't say that out loud. If you don't talk out loud on the interwebt p P people type it out. But so consider the source. Yeah, yeah, keep your consider the source, you know, keep your hair up, keep your head up. Brother. Okay, I appreciated Gary. Hey, I've found a relevant Black Panther pop culture data point. This week. I was with my friend Lee and Hatty Walt down in down where they live, and uh, Lee points to an oar a boat or I'll give you a prize of some sort, okay if you know the answer to this question. It's a trivia question. Boat or and on the boat? Or is a black panther straight up black panther on the wide part of the boat? Or? And uh Lee clicks on the television and a movie comes on and he says, I want to show you a movie clip because I asked him about the boat, or like, tell me about the black panther on the ore? And there is a movie and it's a scene where these two guys, these two old guys, are in like a public place inside of a building, and this one old guy is trying to prove that this other old guy doesn't know his stuff, you know. And so the one old guy goes, well, I bet you I can stump you. What is that? What does that mean? And he points to an oar with a black panther and he goes he the question is what is on the other side of the ore? And the man goes a rabbit smoking a pipe with me, do you know what movie this is? Okay? He takes the oar off the wall. There's a black panther on one side. He flips it and sure enough it's a rabbit smoking a pipe. And the guy that didn't think the guy would know it was like, oh really, but do you know why the rabbit smoking the pipe? And the guy says, the rabbit is at ease because he knows he's smarter than the panther. Punchline and it was a native It was some type of indigenous or Native American like thing. A black panther and a rabbit smoking a pipe National treasure? Wrong? Was this a cartoon? Is a real, real, live action live action? The movie is called The Edge with Anthon Hopkins. I've never seen it. We actually were considered watching it. Yeah it's about a bear. Considered watching it yesterday, but we didn't. Yeah. Black total, black panther reference, black panther, rabbit smoking a pipe. Just why is the rabbit smoking a pipe? It's just more proof that the black panthers. Exactly. I got even more proof this this very week. What a better specialist that you brought in here on the bicycle about what black black? What do you think about you? Ever? If you have you seen a black panther? I've never known your dad to lie, so you trust him? I mean, yeah, you know that's I mean, I've seen things that I don't know, you know, make out the you know, in the distance and the shutters. Um, I ain't seen Bigfoot. I ain't never seen him. I got some friends to have, but I ain't never seen him. But the black panther, uh, I might have? Is it a mountain line? I don't know. When when you get towards us. What about her? Where was she? Oh, I'm not trying to. I mean, we could take this outside. You look pretty word, you know, I am a little worm scrappy too. Did your mama ever see a black panther? No mema memo. I don't even like to talk about animals. Yeah, you know. I think it's because she had a pet raccoon years ago and she don't know what happened to it, and she you know, you get attached to something and then it disappears. Although she do have a great score right now. She wants to build a kennel four and she don't know how to be like, I'm in charge of that, and she wanted she she want to make that thing at home, and I'm like, that's a squirrel mema. But she got her own plans. So but she Ain't never told anything about seeing a black panther. Really, no, she never seen that. See, I would say sixty five of women over the age of seventy that live in certain parts of the country, we'll just say I have seen a black panther. Those are hard hitting statistics that she throw it out. Yeah, so I'm surprised that your mama doesn't fit in that based on what I know about static. Yeah, six a seventy year old women in a certain region have seen Okay, I got it. Yeah, you didn't talk to me while about black panthers, did I guarantee? Is she's holding out on you? She might be. She she liked to save that for parties and stuff. I guess. Yeah. So the rabbit the panther, pretty cool. Okay. The second black panther data point was this very weak. A man sent me a a an actual flag of an of a a Native American tribe. It was the national flag. I mean, you know, they're they're sovereign nations of indigenous people inside this country, and they have flags. It's like an American flag. They have this kind of flag, and uh, there is a flag that has a black panther on it. Straight up black panther. But the more I dug into it, the more I realized that they weren't necessarily saying that they were black panthers. Just the graphic of it had to be black, m because it couldn't be. It's their favorite color maybe, uh, And so it was. It was supposed to be a cougar, not necessarily a black one, but it was black. You're with me? Okay? Great? Well, um, Tavin do you need to Yeah, all, let's talk about me. Mom made me remember I gotta get get some stuff over to her on the bike. So, man, thanks for coming. Hey, it was good to see you all. Thanks for letting me cool off in here. Yeah. Man, the out take it to appreciate that. Oh yeah, she'll like that. Yeah. I just don't want to drop it on the way home. Newn Glass bottles. Boy, they do a number on the pavement, don't they. I'll see what I can do, all right, y'all. We'll see you later, all right, See Tavini, This is kind of an odd, odd podcast because I've got a second guest that's gonna come in. So Tavin has gone, but I would like to introduce you guys too, to my friend Joel Barry, Hey, Clay, Joel's going. Good to meet you. Man, is good to be here, Misty, Dad, If y'all met Joel, I just I just met Joel for the first time just today, but we've we've been following each other for a while on on the social media is such there's real people behind the social media is it turns out? Yeah, that's cool. Yeah. I have a character actually on social media with a newcomb really underscore newcomb, total character, like when you're around like me, like totally different than the guy on the screen, right, Misty, Uh no, Joel, So so you are Tavin Dialer. Yeah, character, I do tell us just a little bit about like like the the character and I don't know, just give us a little spiel. Yeah. I started in two thousand six on YouTube um and kind of built an audience that plateaued for about a decade until TikTok and Instagram and then it kind of found an audience in the last two years, the last three months on Instagram. Um. But yeah, so I've been building uh other things on social media as far as film and video production stuff, but tabing is definitely one of my favorites. So Tavin has like four and fifty something thousand people that follow him on TikTok thirty don't want to oversell it, okay, people to go there and be like, oh I thought it was worth twenty people stop following now. Um so so yeah, I was. I started seeing this tavern. I remember the first time that I saw Tavin on Instagram. It was one of those ones where you were sitting perpendicut, you weren't facing the camera, you were sitting sideways to the camera, and you turned your head and looked at the camera, had a p you can probably poetry, yes, and uh and and then this guy started talking and I was just like what It took me like a couple of watches to be like, is this like what is happening here? But it was such a familiar voice, not that I knew you, but the voice being I was like, this guy literally could be my neighbor. Yea, yes. And then I started watching it and I was like, uh, I just I was just like, this is pretty funny. And then I sent you what I sent you a message about if you remember I was. I think I was the first one and or I instigated our friendship and I said, hey, I appreciate that you have a comedy channel that isn't crass. Remember that, just like because I watched a bunch of stuff and I never, like, I kept waiting for it to be just like really crass. Like I just thought that was gonna happen because that's what comedy does. That's like that, that's what comedy does. And you didn't. And I just thought, Man, this guy, I want to throw him a bone. And so I reached out to you and then turns out you're not Tavin Dialer at all. No, I'm not Joel Berry. And that can be very disappointed to some people. That can make some people angry. Most people are pretty cool about it. Have you ever run into someone who thought who is happy to see Tavin and then found out you mean in person or online? No? Online, Um, it's happened where there's there's sincere disappointment. I ran into a lady last year in a restaurant in Arkansas and she saw me, and for some reason in my head, I'm like, I don't look like having So I go into a play and she's like, you're you're you're Tavin and but she was okay that I didn't, you know, I wasn't really like I was a character. Was a little disappointed when I met you, just a little bit. I could tell. I could tell when you made me riding the bed of your truck. And when I saw what what white straight teeth you have? I was like, come on, I mean because Tavin, that's Tavin's signature, is like the rough, the rough teeth. And that's one thing Tavin never talks about his teeth because it's too obvious that he never really talks about the dentist or brushing teeth because it seems like too obvious of a joke to make. So, yeah, it's just a little fun fact. I kept getting. I was getting text messages the day when he premiered the Bargeries hadn't I'm watching always like who is this clown wearing a Bargeries here? Yeah? Yeah, And I just started doing the deep that I was watching everything And then yeah, I think you called me that day or so, Man, you got said who is this guy? Like? You gotta check this out? Yeah it was funny. I didn't know Brent. You never you never comment. Do you like him? You just keep scrolling? No, Man, I like him absolutely, Bank Bank. There you go. And so our kids watched Tavin. Our kids are big Tavan pants. They're really really big. And the day he wore a bear grease hat, bear sending out to the family thread. He's like, hey, y'all, bear like he's not real expressive, Like you say something to you and be like, hey, bear, we're gonna go, you know, like do something incredibly fun and he'll be like, okay, yeah, I said, I said, uh said, Tavin Dillard's coming to our house next week. And I kind of got a little bit of a rise out of him. And he turned his head and looked at me and he said what And I said, Tavin Dillard's coming here. That sounds like a window. It was a big big that's basically yeah, that's yeah. Yeah. Well, I hope t having made it back to his me mall oh, he knows the way. Hey, let's talk about Bradleyville Dynasty basketball. This was this one out of the box for you guys. Here's here's the truth of the Burglary Podcast is that most of the people that are here every week don't It's not like I'm telling you always what I'm gonna do, Like y'all don't know. So you are kind of y'all kind of ingest this just like everybody, just like everybody else. So, so did did the title? Did did any of it? Were you like, oh wow, where's this going? It was exciting? It was like, oh no, it's sports. What do you think? The only reason it I loved it. The only reason I wasn't surprised because I know, I know y'all. I know you're all crazy about basketball. A matter of fact, when Alexis and I came up a couple of months or so ago, You're like, hey, y'all, come up, stay, but we're watching the basketball game. You come watch it, or you can go off and do your own thing. And you know it worked out good. You know, we all went out because the basketball thing was over early. But but I've known you guys like basketball and the ship. Would you anticipate by my looks that I'm as as good a baller as I am? I would not. I wouldn't. Absolutely. I wish Tavin was here. I'd ask him. It's kind of funny because Clay, we'll go to that a joke. You mean to not say what I'm gonna say, Well, I don't know what you're gonna say. I'm just can we just I'm not not for every podcast, but just for this one. Let's just every time Clay cuts me off, let's remember that. But Clay actually will go and play basketball, and he's he is. He does run and stuff, and so he can. He's got stamina. And it's kind of funny because you could tell he chef loves pick up basketball, and so sometimes we'll go places and do pick up basketball with him, and Clay will go out there and play. It's kind of a you know, scrappy. That might be a nice way to say. He does not look like a basketball uh champion, but but he gets out there and he can. He can, he can stay with people and he can. He's real. Uh, it's kind of fun that I played pick up ball. I don't know you should tell this story. Yeah, let's just say I was the old guy and there was a group of young men playing ball, and I was in jeans and boots, not cowboy boots, but like hiking boots, and and let's just say some things didn't go so well for them for the and and they got mad. He got mad at me, and I later came and apologized to him. A young guy when that afternoon and we realized claim smoke to thirteen year old and was at it true? You talk to him? I did not talk about but he wasn't humble. I mean he was. It was like, if you're going to be the old guy and you're gonna take these true little young teenage very humble. I just didn't give him any slap and he got mad at me for playing defense too tough. I did not. I never breached my value system of what you apologize for. Then well, actually I can't really remember the details. I just think you were a little bit content with yourself and you kind of felt I'm sorry everybody, do you like point to the sky and after the store in your face, not to him, but you know, like that. But it was it was it was the defense was just a little bit sassy. I mean it was like, come on, these are teenage So now the whole world knows all of my basketball highlights that one time and that one time at Clarksville. That's all. That's all there is. There's nothing more. So like, what did you think of about Bradleyville podcast? That was good. I grew up in Dardnell, so Clarksville is not too far from there. That's yeah, that's right right over there. Yeah, it's good. Well, I mean it didn't surprise me because you dig into history on this podcast, so I wasn't surprising. The sports thing I thought was cool because you can think about how many games are played every year, year after year after year, and people have records and teams and scores and whatever, but they kind of get glossed over after a while because it's like current teams usually only care about what they're accomplishing. I mean I would know when I was a kid, it's like, what have I done? So to to spend time on the story, I thought it was valuable and interesting. Well, it's it's of note that some of those records still stand to this day, like the sixty four game winning streak in Missouri high school basketball. You know, leon Comb said it's tied. There was a school that tied it and I don't know that story, but that still stands. Um dad, what do you think? You know? I thought the Hoosiers. I just thought, you know, we love a good sports story. I don't care if you're an athlete or not. I mean just everything is entwined in that thing. I mean, life, just whatever, you want to dig out of it. The story was awesome, but all of the like hidden truths in in character stuff was really really amazing. You know how uh these kids were coachable. You know, you gave the list of three things, you know, I mean that that they were they were coachable. They were ready. Uh they you know, they did what it takes to be successful, but they had to have some direction. They couldn't do it in the fifties because they had no jim. They had no direction. They get a little direction, get some backing from adults, and I mean they just go crazy and that you know, it was beyond basketball to me. Well, there were so many stories. It was kind of like pick your story, Like this book is full. Mr leon Komb's book is just full of history. It's almost like brad Leeville High School yearbook. You know, there's just all these pictures. He actually has pictures of the Howardville team that they beat stage. Yeah, and he went and interviewed those guys and he did a great job in in in this book. But the picture story thing I chose Leon Boyd to kind of highlight is the one character from the team that I just had access to. He was just up there still on Bradleyville. A bunch of those guys are still alive. And David Combs was the hero of the nineteen sixty eight team, which is Leon comes cousin. Um he's one that passed away. No, that was Darryl Paul that passed away when but David Combs, like, there's a whole another story in him. David Combs was a big time coon hunter, just like uh Leon Boyd and the story of him going down to Arkansas Tech because the coach was a coon hunter, and there's pictures in the book of of his coon dogs and him with his coon dogs, and there's so many things. I actually I'm now kicking myself because I didn't put this in the in the podcast, But there was a quote in the book about Leon Boyd. It said when he went down a hill in the Ozarks going to his dogs, it looked like a falling star shooting down off the mountain because he was so fast going to his dogs. He was And that's the old man that we hunted with me and Shepherd and uh Man, I just I just can't get enough of these older guys. Man Leon Boyd, the last person on the planet that he expected to show up to his house. Was somebody wanting to put him on a podcast. I mean, like literally, this guy, I mean he has a flip phone, he doesn't like I don't know if he's ever listened to a podcast, and he his humility. I said it, and I hope, I hope it made sense. But it's like it protruded from him with great force. That's the way I described it. It's just like you're around him and you're just like, this guy, it's just so humble, He's so uh. I don't you know, you meet some people that like, that's not the way you describe him, and it's not necessarily bad, but you would say, man, he was charismatic or he was had this or did this. It's like Leo Boyd was just like that's what came off of him. And a lot of folks that you've talked to that that you that have been highlighted on this thing, especially from that generation or like that, you know, they take and I don't know if it's they take solace in like the basketball. They enjoyed that so much, but they were they were playing on a dirt floor, you know, on the ground. They were shooting hoops that the blacksmith made. But it it wasn't picking cotton, it wasn't moving rocks. It was something other than that that they could focus on. And to this day where he's seventy eight, Yeah, he's happy and content to talk to you about that and to go coo nothing, because it ain't picking cotton, it ain't moving rocks, it ain't you know. Just they're satisfied and happy to be where they are in life. And it's there's a lot in that to be in in in my world. So in my way of thinking, I'm being happy where you are. And if you're not happy to do something about it, you know, I'm happy. Oh. I thought it was so entertaining. I really enjoyed it. And I listened to all but the last five minutes of it with ship and so what he thinks. He really enjoyed it, and he we would pause and talk about it and it was it was really good. And I would saying, now, which one was this? So I kind of heard some of the stories leading up to this, so I kind of knew, I knew what what was coming, but I thought it was great. I want to I want to tell this one story that I want to come back to specialization verse being a generalist and kind of qualify that statement, but I gotta tell you this story, and it just didn't fit into the podcast. But so Leon Combs eight seven years old. He's like he was the main guy that carried us through the podcast, and he was as sharp as attack. Like a lot of times I've interviewed a lot of older people and sometimes like they don't they've never listened to podcasts mode, they don't understand the medium, and and and and man, he was just like he sit down with me, and he was just like, tell me what you need. And I said, well, I'm gonna do a podcast on this this okay? And he and and he he was just like so on point and like he would say, now would this story be relevant for you? And I'd be like, well not really, and He's like okay. And he he was just really good. But he did tell me one story that I wasn't able to use. But and I mean he told it for me to put on the podcast if I wanted to, so I don't he wouldn't mind me telling it. But he when he was a toddler, his father murdered his mother a murder suicide and his so his mother and father passed away. They ship him out to California for for whatever reason. I don't know the details, but he went to California as a two year old. And then his I wanted some family member back in Bradleyville, Missouri. Communicates with them and this is uh in the would have been in the thirties, I think when he would have been born eighty seven years from right now. Um, And they the family member says, will take the boy. So they send him back and the mail man, the Bradleyville mail man, delivers Leon Boyd to his to the man and woman that were related to him but would become his father and mother. And and he never knew until he was older what happened. He just it was his dad. And he had like this wonderful, great childhood and and and and a really stable home. They were very poor, but they were it was a very stable home. And then Leon Combs goes on to become like extremely financially successful. I don't know this man well, but I cannot. He's been very let's just say he's been very, very financially successful coming out of Bradleyville and he said he was the first kid out of Bradleyville schools that went to college, and he was in the military and he hitch hiked out west and he he just had his wild story. It's actually in this book right here. He gave me a book. I forgot about it. Um, Okay, this isn't all about his life, but it's called Bradleyville, My Hometown, a collection of short stories and memoirs. But anyway, Leon Leon Combs, what a guy. Yeah, and so you know, these are stories that you can't even tell. I mean, it wasn't a part of the basketball thing, but couldn't be. Two part series, could have been? Could have been? I have a basketball question. Is it common to tile a jim? Maybe during that time? I don't know, because it seemed like, man, they had to finish a halftime because they couldn't. We're slipping. I was like, tile that sounds yeah back there in that time, that's what they did. I don't know. Probably a financial deal. Hardwood would have been too expensive. They only had fifteen hundred dollars plus donations. Yeah. Yeah. Um. So the general idea, like basically this story introduced us to another story that has more to do with life, which was so when when I first told Misty this story, this is where Misty's fingerprints on Barry Grease in a lot of ways. I told her about Bradleyville and these guys being coon hunters, and she said, hey, you ought to talk about David Epstein's book about specialists and generalist And I said, great idea. And uh, we actually tried to get David Epstein on the podcast. We had a very short time window. So perhaps he would, I'm certain he would. He would probably come to the render with Tavin. Probably we had. It was a very short time window. We couldn't make it happen, so I brought in the expert. Misty. Um, after you heard that conversation, how did do you think it came out the way we wanted to? I think it. I think it came out. I thought it came out great. Um Sheep and I were. You know, when we listen to podcasts together, we often stop him and give our own little sub commentary. And on that part, you know, because he would like to be a specialist, he I think he would prefer to be, Yeah, just a mono focused persona. It'd be easier for him to do that that's that's an appealing proposition. It's just do the thing you love and nothing else. Yeah, right right, I mean that's a that's an appealing proposition. Yeah. So so we were talking in sp Um. He actually went and brought out another book when we started talking about this that he was reading back in is that someone gave him about skill development in basketball. And he said, y'all should talk about this, and he talked about this guy was saying everybody should be It was like the pro specialist argument that these guys make seventeen million dollars a year because when people throw them the ball, they can get a shot off fast and always make it. And he said this this isn't And this was a book that Chef was reading. I don't even know where he got it from. And I was like, well, because I didn't like the the the argument. I was like, well, I said, you know, that's a pretty narrow You know, they've been you know what I always tell the kids, they've been in three thousand people who played in the NBA their whole life. Get a plan B. You don't have any any need to think that that's genetics are against you on this one. We don't. We don't have the height to play in the NBA. So anyways, so Hip, that's not what oh boys homeless now so so anyway, so Chip, but Chip said, well, he said, I don't agree with that. He said the counter and he just volunteered this. He said, the counter argument on that is Lebron James gets paid, and he somehow new Lebron James salary off the top of his head because he can get shots off. He could do this, he could do that, he could and he named all the things that Lebron James does on and off the court, and it's like a good thing in Chip, I mean, at least, I don't think that success is really should be quantified in terms of the millions of dollars that you make. But I was, I was grateful. He was thinking, yeah, well, and I don't want to If if I can go back and redo the podcast, I would probably say that I think specializing is great. I mean, we need experts. There are things that I have specialized in that have you know, made me an expert in the same quote unquote at some level. And all. The only point I was making is that sometimes these other things can make you even better then if you had just specialized in it. Do you see what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, I think yeah. I think what we would say is that it's okay to have a thing you're really good at like it's and and probably there should be something in everyone's life that they spent ten thousand hours on and and learn and get to get to do. But we should all be complex people like That's I think that's the most important thing on our on our end, is that a lot of times you are a specialist at the cost of all these other things. Where specialization does it just speak to how you spend your time, but it speaks to who you are. You are this thing and what we want to communicate to our kids is you are not a basketball player. You are not a smart person. You are not a musician. You are first and foremost a human being, a spiritual being, and someone that has a lot of complexity to them. Put those as you like, on that backdrop. Don't let those things be the backdrop for everything else. I thought that was clear. That was a good one. It's not what your arts who you are. I noticed in uh in my career that you had several types of highly successful people far above where I ever accomplished. And some of them were great c p A s that a guy kind of like me that was a generalist could use. And you pull this guy in and you call him off to the side, and you go, hey, man, tell me what to do. You know, well, this guy is so good he ends up like owning the world. But the guy that is a generalist hires people like that and pulls them in. He's got he's got all these specialists around him, and in a couple of them are just so sharp that all of a sudden they get up here and they kind of become generalists. But it's a personality thing. The crazy kid in college ends up with that personality where where he can sell, he can communicate, and and so you know you need both kinds. Exactly what you said. Do you think I relayed your philosophy on bringing us up well on the podcast and a few sentence I talked about it, well, I thought so. I thought it was pretty clear. One thing that was real clear to me, though, was the spousal abuse. Still, you came up with a new way for this hashtag, let misty speak. It's almost in reverse. I could not believe you did this man? What did juju? Here's oh no, what did I do? Okay? Here, here's what you did. You're you're asking, You're asking Missy a question, and the question is why to why to rule communities like basketball so much? But before she had a chance to answer, you gave answer. You gave you gave like a tent page dissertation on it. So by the time Missy had it, I mean, she was real polite, and she you know, she took her ten seconds and tried to make not make you look like an abuser. And she didn't say, remember I'm the one that told you all that stuff you just said earlier. Yeah, yeah. And what made it even worse once she so politely repeated a few of the things that you had already said because there was nothing else to say, said that you totally hate hey, hey, you totally award her answer and immediately said, I wonder how many kids out there if killed bear and and shot a deer with But I mean, and I mean just totally this could be, this could be taken to court. I just feel vindicated today and this is we told you that on my shoulder. But it was good. You have an awesome spouse. You have an awesome spouse. Remember that crow Tabin was talking about has he taste? Yeah? My fit? Well I did it another time, and this was I mean, I'm aware of what's happening here. Um there was another time and it just was the in it. I wanted to ask miss the question, but I had to put in something that that I had said. First. I talked for a real long time and then she got to talk. Do you know what part I'm talking about? I didn't. Maybe I could get away with that again. You know, the truth is we all do that all the time. I mean, it's just what we asked a question, we already know the answer, we want to tell him what we think about it, and you just kind of I don't know, but we all do exactly what you did at times. But anyway, I actually I did pick up on that while he's sticking about because I was there too. And I also what Clay cut out is when I looked at him when he asked me that question, I said, you just answered it. She actually did. And I'm not defending myself, but um, I did answer the question before she got a time to starry, and she said, what we just said it and then she went on, so I had to cut it out. When you're building and editing a podcast and the burger shrender is supposed to be behind the scenes of burgers, there's sometimes just a quantity of information that has to be there, and that was all I had. It was real hard to get that audio because we're sitting there with parents and people and they we're in a basketball game, and it's like, I just had this recorder and I pulled out and I just do it real quick, and I knew what I needed to be said, and I wanted to include Mr In because I had told him what needed to be said earlier, like on this exact topic, not on the whole thing, but I wish were here. It worked well, Um what was uh? I was gonna ask one of you what what was the most Well, Okay, I'll tell you what my favorite part was. Every single time that I have listened to that basketball game, I don't even I don't like, I really wouldn't think that, like the recording of an old basketball game, would the four overtimes? Yeah, I would like get me emotionally stirred. I was listening to it in my truck and like got cold chills, which is a rare thing for me. But I think just getting inside of this story and meeting these people and going to Bradleyville, you're kind of immersed into it. And you meet Leon Boyd and you just see his life, just the underdog nature of it. I mean, but when that old radio da DA here in Columbia, Missouri, the Bradley Bill Eagles is playing the Howard Bill Hawks, and then you know for overtimes true, I mean, it just was a neat It was so cool and and and I discovered that this this audio recording was even available by Leon comes I didn't realize it, but the CD was in the back cover of the book and he said, he said, yeah, you can use it, put it on there, and I just thought it was in neat. Did y'all think that was cool? You know? One thing I wanted to know was how tall is this Combs guy? And I mean, what did they have any big people on that? The three there was there were three six, three guys and then that's pretty good they but see they fouled out two guys that were six six and that was part of their strategy. So if they hadn't have done that, I mean their strategy worked, they're playing work and uh, I mean, you know, it's pretty incredible, pretty incredible bradley Ville Eagles. So what was what was the most what was the favorite part of the podcast? Print Like, was there one spot that you're like that was cool? My favorite part was Ship ye at the end of course on known Ship the majority of his life. And I know when he asked you the question, are we are we gonna go back and see this guy? Are we going to be friends? You know, I think he took a lot of value and I know it a lot of it was just because of the basketball thing. I know that, But I know that kid, and I know he had a good time when y'all went hunting up there, and I and he's a he's a smart lad, And I think he was soaking up a lot of things and seeing a lot of potential and a lot of fun and good times that he could have being in the presence of that guy. So that my favorite part was it was old Ship soaking it in and really digging what was going on up there beyond basketball and something that happened before is dad it was even born. My chefs take on it there because It actually surprised me, and I tried to say it in a diplomatic way, like chef here that part, because I kind of knew it was coming. Ship. The chef is not pumped about coon hunting, like I've drugged a kid around his whole life. Like Misty sent a picture on our family tex saread to day of of a picture of all the kids with the dogs, and I mean hips like that tall, and you know, it's like it's not always fun to be the youngest child. I mean, no telling how many coon trees he's been to. Nope, telling how many coons he's carried out of the woods on his back, you know, carrying him by the hind leg, strode over his shoulder. It's just not his thing. Like he's now fourteen, and he will go with me occasionally just because I'm like, come on, Chip, let's go, and he'll he'll come. He's your clay. Yeah, he'll play golf. Actually I don't think he will. He's had the opportunity recently and he's he's just so he is truly very and I think that's part of what we've really challenged hip to be is that's like the you know, at different seasons of your kid's life, you kind of focus in on different aspects of their character that you you want to build. And that's our agreement with him because we actually we are letting hip specialize more than we've ever let him specialize before. And we've been real slow that I mean we have really, I mean, there are people who truly believe that we have made mistakes that we did not. They would be like athletic advisors type people like coaches and other people that we haven't done the like given him all the opportunities he needs to be developed at age fourteen, and and I'm our thing with him is that, hey, we actually do feel like this is a season where we can let you expand a little bit. You're going into high school. He does have good character, he has you know, he's outgrown the context that he's been in. I had somebody asked me what our philosophy was with our kids, because I didn't want the podcast to be all about Chap. I just thought it was a neat I just wanted some complexity to the story. And and that's why I was interested in the story because we love basketball, and but Shepherd has ever since he was two years old, love basketball and has really dedicated himself to it all these years. They went through the phase of you know, I'm going to play in the n b A and we're like, no, you're not. This is never gonna happen. And basically nothing like shooting the kids drinker okay quickly, the boys all, it's a joke in our family because we one time we watched the NBA draft Molik Monk was getting and by the way, the night that Malik Monk from Arkansas got drafted, the announcer on ESPN said, now, that guy shot more squirrels than anybody else on the square to night, and I was like, I was crying. I was so proud. That's right, Arkansas are but blake if you're hearing this brother, come on to the bar, because that's what he talked about, being out in the Delta with his grandpa shooting hunting squirrels. But anyway, so he uh, the night he got drafted, we were watching and the boys were just enjoying listen to all these little speeches that these guys were given about their mama and how you know she believed in when no one else did, and those about boys said man, if we ever get drafted, we're gonna stand up and say, our mom told us for a very young age, genetics are against you. There's whatever to this one. She faithfully took us to practices, faithfully cheered, and she did not believe. And I was like, I haven't. Shepherd was so wanted to be so focused on basketball that for years we just kind of I never emphasized it. I never validated him that much, just kind of just like, whatever, basketball is not that important, and we pushed him away from it, and he stuck with it. And then basically a year ago at the time when if they're really going to have a future in basketball, are gonna go for it, it's time to get behind him. And so we actually had a family meeting where we sat down and we said, Shepherd, you have all these years stayed dedicated to basketball. And I mean I could go through all the stuff he does. It's pretty incredible the amount of discipline that he has and how much he loves it. And I said, you have become what we wanted you to become, because the last thing we wanted Joel was to have a kid that was like a superstar ball hog, like like arrogant, little punk kid that's a star basketball player. We've all seen him. We didn't want that who was a star basketball player but had no moral character and get into some environment and he can't. Yeah, it's like we didn't want him. His identity to be I am a star basketball player who also has the age limit on when that, I mean that the identity only lasts so long. And so as I found out after my night and Clark stalls later, let's probably make a podcast about that one day. So the the so chep was just disciplined chips. The biggest thing we're working on Chip right now inside of basketball and the levels he's playing in is to shoot it rather than pass it like he we we taught him like, don't be a ball hog. If you score all the points and nobody else scores points, that's bad. Like we we we really trained him a certain way of thinking about sports, and it's become ingrained in him and it's become his default. And then this year we said, hey, you pass the test. Now we're gonna get behind you and we're gonna talk about a formal declaration of intent and we're going to get behind you and say okay, now we're gonna let you specialize. So if I could say it that way, and and so we we he tried out for a team. He's on that team. I mean, we told him we're gonna get behind you, we're gonna support you, We're gonna let you try out for some some teams that were bigger than the context that he was in at that time. But our deal with him was that as a high schooler, he's got the internal maturity to now say I have to be responsible for my own character. And the phrase we gave him his pan optic management. We want him to be complex, not simple. And so he's got there's there's bargains, this is a deal, and and we don't want him to have one muscle that's really strong and the rest of his body that's weak and not able to do anything. So I want his room clean, I want him to do the tours. I want him to have good grades in school. Chep is real smart and he should he should have a plan B. I'm not sure where the high gene that he got is gonna take them. And even if it did take them to places, I would want him to have character when he got there and be able to be complex, be well read, be educated, do those things. And so that's what I meant on the podcast when I spent said, we do sports, but we do it on our terms. I don't want it to sound like we're trying to push our kids away from specialization. Because specialization can be good, but you just need more and it's helpful to have more. And so that's why, like I was talking about Shepard not liking coon hunting so much, That's why when we came away from Leon Boyd's house, Shepherd instigated that conversation. There was no Mike's going like the last thing he thought was I was gonna talk about what he was saying to me. I mean, we're pulling out of the driveway and he goes dead. Are you gonna be friends with Mr? Leon? Like you are? James? And I just looked at him and I was like trying to figure out what he was asking. And I just gave him a real practical answer. I said, I mean, you know, Chep, I just met Mr Leon. I don't you know. He's a very nice man. We had a great time with him. He lives in a long ways from us. I mean, I don't know that I'm gonna be able to come back over here that much. And he like, he said, Dad, I don't think it's right for you just to have him on your podcasts and us us never come back over here. And I said, do you want to come back over here? And this is a boy who's not pumped about coon hunting and he said yeah, and he I love that because Leon Boyd is just the kind of guy that you would want your son to look up to. And Chef liked it that he was a ball player. But it's just I could tell Chef just like this old man and that's good. Yeah. I liked it, like Leon Boyd has character. Did did you? I didn't hear it in the podcast, but Leon Boyd played basketball on organized basketball till he was seventy and he got a shoulder injury coon hunting and had to stop. That's pretty cool, pretty good way to go out and play the glory. Oh, talking about a kid specializing. I hired a guy one time to be a banker out of college for one reason. On his resume he was the top three point shooter at his college. And and really it may be I didn't have the original thought, but the guy and myself that we're hiring him the guy he pointed out, anybody that is the top three point shooter in their conference in college, it's gonna be a top banker or whatever field they get into. And sure enough, this guy was a whiz bank And I mean he's just Scott rocketed. Yeah, he actually he actually got out of banking. And I would just bet that he's really really done well. I know when I checked on him ten fifteen years ago, he had done really well. Well. It's discipline. You know. If I'm a lucy goosey guy and I don't finish projects and I just monkey around, I won't be the same way when I go to work for you. But if if I'm I got my act together and I'm shooting a thousand shots a day, I'm going to shoot a thousand shots for you when I go to work for you. So, and I mean that there's a lot to be said. Now, if that's all he can do is shoot, I mean you, as you're moving through the shooting process, you've got to develop a personality where people like you. You can communicate, you can sell. Devin knows that. So I think what you're talking about two is drive and I think that's the thing about with sports, with hunting, with whatever you've got your kids interested in. I do think it's important to let them have things they're passionate about because it produces that that drive. You can't it's hard. I mean, there's some things, there's some subjects in school that we just have to make our kids work hard at when you're when your child is motivated towards something, I think, and that's what I love about sports is that it is a place to really develop character. And it's the same thing I like about hunting, like when Bear went hunting last year. To me, it doesn't really matter as long as it's you know, wholesome stuff, what they're into. It's good too. It's good to let kids have passions. It's good to let them care about something because that drive produces things in them because they want to do it. And so that drive helps them learn discipline, learns, how to take defeat, learn how to you learn how to take all the different challenges that come into stuff. So it's good to My concern with the current generation would be that there's a lot of kids out there that don't really have drive for much at all, and so it's it's good too. It's good to let them go find go find drive and to identify things that would distract you from finding things you're passionate about and limiting those things. And even in losing. Uh, Leon Combs want two games in four years. But but he went on to be successful because you know, he stayed with it for four years. And in my one of my favorite part was when he said, you know, we got beat sixty four to six, but he couldn't wait to get to the next game. And you ask, I wonder why it's so he could bounce a basketball on a hardwood floor. Yeah, I mean yeah, it's like, you know, if you've been in a box your whole life and you get to look at every now, man, I mean that looking at Yeah, get slapped in the face when you look out, you look out, Yeah, yeah, I mean you know. So anyway, yeah, that that was interesting. One thing, Leon Combs, this is totally off the off the topic of sports. Leon Combs, he told me when he went out into life, he lived this very isolated rural life in the Ozarks. And he said that old people, the old timers used to do what they call saucer coffee Yeah, have you ever heard of that? Yeah, Oscar Newcam did that. No way'll tell us what. Well, I don't know, I've never heard of it. Talked is like a but he would just take his coffee and plut it in a saucer and drink it. I have a saucer to cool it off. It's exactly Yeah, he's Mr. Leon Boyd said that when he went I think he went out to California when he was like nineteen or something and he saucered his coffee and he said that people made fun of him. And he was like, what we get made fun of coffee? And he said he said, yeah, you get a cup of coffee, hot coffee, and you pour it into a saucer so that it has the surface areas spread out and you can blow, blow and saucer saucer and blow, and then you drink it out of the saucer like a little plate. Hey Joel, Yeah, tell us, Uh, tell us just a little bit about sweet Tea. Films where people can find Tavin. I'm sure he's back with Meme all by now for Tavin Dillar podcast. They can find that, you know, wherever they listen to podcast. Uh. Sweet Tea Films or Tavin Dellar dot com both the same things. UM, And that's where you can find all the work I'm up to and the stuff that I'm doing. UM. I will say kind of what we've been talking about with I don't know, you gotta wrap up, but UM, I've talked to a lot of college students over the years about their craft because a lot of people want to make it in film. And one of the things I've repeated, which is true for anything in life. What we've been talking about is that one of the things I say often is you've got to Uh. First of all, you can't just have a paper resume. Your portfolio matters in the arts, which means if you say I directed a film, it could have been a horrible film. But if you show someone in your film, they can say, Okay, you've done it. I said, so, first of all, your portfolio needs to exist, like you need to be out there doing the work before you get hired anywhere. The other one is beyond time and be easy to work with, and that's true for anything, but that's those disciplines that show up over time. And then it really is how you relate to people. I think Gary mentioned the coach's approach and how the players like, no, he wasn't mean, he didn't yell, he didn't show up and screen, but he worked hard. But there's there's actually a way to communicate. And I think some people buy into well, uh, that's great, but I can get stuff done this way. But over the long haul, if we're mistreating people and getting good results. Over the long haul, you look back and there there's a lot of damage that's been done that could have been avoided. You actually could have had a bigger impact if you kind of done it kindly or more more more, I guess right in a way. So, um, that's something that I was thinking through about, you know, this this specific episode that you did, and then also just approaching kids and careers in general. It's like, it's true those things never got a style. Yeah, you know they work in every field. Be easy to work with. Yeah, any field you go in, that's going to be helpful. Yeah. To that point, we were well, I won't say I was going to slander Eyes an NBA player. Another another conversation that Ship and I had recently about probably one of the greatest NBA players that's alive today is basically untreatable because he's so stinking hard to work with. We won't mention his name. Yeah. Yeah, it's just been interesting that it's been interesting to watch this trade season because there's some pretty amazing players out there and no one wants them. You know, the the points that you're making there, you had these kids that were just hungry. I mean, you don't see that anymore. You had a coach that that was that was complied and loving and kind, and the reason he could do that. You got all these players just going yes or yes or yes sir, okay, okay, I get to run ten miles today, all right, you know, yeah, that doesn't happen. I mean, that was one time in the last fifty years that's probably happened. And they won state championships and and so it's just kind of proof that there's more to the recipe than just discipline. This. I mean, there's a a bunch of stuff thrown into pot and it's tough to get it. And this day and time, these kids, you know that sometimes they're called snowflakes and things. You know, I think I'm probably an old snowflake, but I mean, you know, it's just our society were so impressionable. I mean, you can just tell a kid he's great, he thinks he's great, and telling him he's terrible, he thinks he's terrible. It's it's kind of dangerous really, And we're telling our kids a bunch of stuff today that you know, might not allow them to win a state championship. What if there was just no state What if they finally got down to the final game and they were just like, no, we can't do this. Everybody gets a trophy, yeah, or everybody gets a trophy. They're like, no state championship game, you don't deserve it. Um, get back into reality. Well, great podcast, Joel. Is that anything else you want to tell us before we leave? I think I've told you everything. I know. I know everything in my head right check out check out Tavin Tavin Dillard on TikTok and Instagram. All you cool young people like me that are on TikTok all these old other old people like everybody in this room, every everybody in this room except for me. Joel Berry is not on tiktoktok a correction, what you mean owned TikTok okay, but I got rid of it once I found out what the Chinese are doing to us. I mean, I, you know, first first thing on TikTok, first thing on TikTok, I had to go through and clean it up, you know, because it was terrible. And so I went through and said, I'm not interested, not interested, right right, you know, my cardinal side was going, what but you know, you see clean it up and it's really really good. But then I find out that they're checking on me, you know. So I mean, I don't know, I tend to be because we used to hear that three or four years ago and we just kind of blew it off, and now that's coming up again. Well, I think it, just to be fair, I think that TikTok, Facebook, Instagram, all of them are checking on us. I mean, everybody's going, yeah, I don't know why I'm so self righteous about it with TikTok, but it also it runs your battery China, battery management, yeah, battery management. I think that it's a real testament to how cool Clay is that he's on TikTok, because he refers to it as the talk. Wow, that's that's even cool. And I'm not even sure that anyone else refers to it as the talk but when you put the in front of it, yeah, the Walmarts. Yeah, exam that our kids, our kids laugh at because he listens when he doesn't really spend a ton of time believe it or not on Instagram or TikTok or any thing. But when he does, he watches the rule reels all the way through at full volume. And apparently that's not cool because when he does it, all of our kids will look at each other and I mean he puts it at and Clay can't hear great, So I mean the volume is like super and so he's watching it and it's like blaring, and we're all just watching him like this is not how you watch, it's not how you do this. And he's just sitting over there laughing, and it's it's kind of funny. It's it's all the kids. It's pretty entertaining. Really, it's very entertaining. The one that you're in. The lady that goes down and opens up the rooster's cage every morning, she's got the robo and she's looking to see if the cameras going. It's really funny that I'm sure, Yeah it was me. Yeah, every day. It is like a battle, just you have to work yourself up to get in there. Mm hmm. Well, Gary and Misty has slide track at the end of the agrees for him to wrap up. It's great to see everyone, Joel, thank you for coming, thanks for having really appreciate it. Yeah, I'm glad to be here. Tavin Dillard check him out Sweet Tea Films, and uh yeah, we'll see you next week on the Real Beargrease Podcast. I know I need to know what I ran to win.

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