00:00:14 Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nukeleman. This is a production of the Bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render, where we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast. Presented by f h F Gear, American Maid, purpose built hunting and fishing gear that's designed to be as rugged as the place as we explore. 00:00:44 Speaker 2: On my shoulder, it's a flint lock. 00:00:47 Speaker 1: Well, I would say that we have our first guests on the Bear Grease Render or podcast that is wearing buckskins. 00:00:55 Speaker 3: Yeah, this has been very, very stylish, So we have a very special guest with us today. 00:01:02 Speaker 1: We have we have most of the regular crew here. We have Misty new Comb. Let me introduce and I'll introduce our guests. We have Misty new Coom here, we have Josh Lambridge, everyone, Brent Breeves of this country life podcast. Yo, who Misty. I've learned that Josh and Brent have a secret friendship outside of the render going on. They've been fishing together all day and. 00:01:23 Speaker 3: Came and stayed with me last night. 00:01:25 Speaker 4: We went and they didn't and you weren't even invited. 00:01:28 Speaker 5: Even bigger deal, I wasn't. 00:01:32 Speaker 3: You tell all your little secret and even made made banana bread for us. 00:01:39 Speaker 1: It was so, when's the last time me and Misty banana bread in a while. 00:01:44 Speaker 5: Actually, it takes pretty good care of me. 00:01:48 Speaker 6: She's a good one. 00:01:49 Speaker 1: So so we have we have the regular crew. And I want to say to Gary Believer new Coomb has been. 00:01:57 Speaker 3: God rest, he. 00:02:00 Speaker 2: Is alive and well. 00:02:02 Speaker 1: He is fine. Dad had he had both his knees replaced. That's why I hadn't been You didn't know that, No, we used to be friends before you start hanging out with Brenton. 00:02:13 Speaker 2: I knew it. 00:02:15 Speaker 1: Yeah, Dad had both his knees replaced in early May, and so he's been out, but he's going to come back bigger than ever. 00:02:24 Speaker 6: Yeah. 00:02:25 Speaker 1: So that's where Dad has been. But our special guest is Andrew Willis from Tennessee, Vegas. 00:02:33 Speaker 4: Excuse me, but can Brent please give a proper intro to Andrew. 00:02:38 Speaker 7: And Andrew's wearing a very I would say, comfortable, yet sturdy pair of lace up leather boots, some dungarees, the folks might say. 00:02:56 Speaker 8: And a very festive and fast the buckskin shirt with tassels and fringe. Yeah, yeah, what you call them? French like that? 00:03:11 Speaker 3: Very nice overtopping, which is just his normal attire every day. 00:03:18 Speaker 2: That's not untrue, as my wife. 00:03:22 Speaker 1: Yeah, so uh so Andrew and I we've probably known each other for maybe a year or so. And Andrew is the guy that recorded and helped helped me write parts of the Ballad of Warner Glenn. Yeah, so you can just that's true. So the story was is that I think Andrew, you had sent an email out to me about your brand and band called Hawking Horse and you were coming out an albums. What was the album's name? 00:04:02 Speaker 9: He was self titled Hawk and Horse was the name of the album. And it's a project that I took on to really kind of capture the front tier spirit and and I had a couple of people say you need to send that to Clay Nukelem. So I started digging and I was like, whoa, what's a Clay Nukem. Yeah, well I heard I heard the Daniel Boone series when I was driving the Wisconsin during deer season, and I was like, what this guy gets it. So that's what I was inspired to send, you know, my album over. 00:04:40 Speaker 1: Well, and so the album is it's about the American West. Yeah, you have a song Jeremiah Johnson. You have, what are some of the other songs about. 00:04:52 Speaker 9: They're about fur trappers, they're about mountain men. Very inspired by the movie Jeremiah Johnson. Yeah, inspired by you know, the Last of the Mohicans, but also like books and and a famous frontiersman like Daniel Boone, Davy Crockett. I just put out another album called Long Hunter, and it's all inspired by the Kentucky Tennessee Frontier of the late seventeen hundreds and frontiersman like Daniel Boone and Simon Kenton and uh, a lot of those characters. 00:05:29 Speaker 2: And you know, amazing stories from that era. 00:05:32 Speaker 1: So but in Nashville, Yeah, the reason you live in Nashville is because you're a songwriters. 00:05:38 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, that's right. 00:05:41 Speaker 1: Tell us about that. Yeah, so I had wait, let me say, hold on, there could be a few things that you could have been that would be more interesting to me. 00:05:50 Speaker 5: Oh. 00:05:51 Speaker 1: Number one, commercial fisherman on the Mississippi River. 00:05:55 Speaker 3: Especially like that infatuated with it, right, that would be. 00:05:59 Speaker 5: Slight any more interesting interesting. 00:06:02 Speaker 1: Number two, okay, just commercial fisherman, that would be the only thing. Second on the list would be a Nashville songwriter. Yeah, so tell me, like, how do you be a n Ashvial songwriter? And how do you make money? And yeah and yeah, so I music. How much money do you have? 00:06:23 Speaker 3: Yeah? 00:06:25 Speaker 2: Not a lot worse. 00:06:26 Speaker 9: I just I'm literally on the drive out here, I realized either my wife or my daughter took the cash out of my wallet. So not much. But uh, yeah, I I love music. I always loved music. I grew up with music. 00:06:43 Speaker 2: Guitar. 00:06:43 Speaker 9: I picked up a guitar about fifteen and just taught myself how to play. And my first instinct was to write a song. I wasn't like listening to the radio going all right, how do I play one headlight? 00:06:56 Speaker 6: I was. 00:06:57 Speaker 2: I was wanting to write a song. 00:06:59 Speaker 5: Exactly how old, exactly I've. 00:07:01 Speaker 9: Exposed myself, but I wanted to write songs. 00:07:06 Speaker 2: And that's immediately what I started to do. 00:07:09 Speaker 9: And so it was around that time that my son was born, who has some special needs, and we were kind of going through a part of my life where we're like, what are we. 00:07:21 Speaker 6: Going to do? 00:07:22 Speaker 9: And I was like, I'm going to have to stay home with him right now because he's so bad and he's he can't go to school or anything right now. So I was like, I guess I'm going to start doing this songwriting thing, because I was I had been in the outdoor industry before. I worked within the backpacking industry, and I was a buyer, so I had a very practical I was using my business management degree and I was like doing this. And then suddenly I was like, I guess I'm going to start writing these songs. And within six months of me starting this, I want a contest. And then I got a co write with Andy Griggs, who was a nineties, late nineties, early two thousands country singer. Yeah, he had a couple pretty big hits like you Won't Ever Be Lonely and if Heaven and some other he was right at late nineties, and uh, anyway, he's a big, big hunter, big hunter, and uh anyway, I got the opportunity to write with him, and he was he was a he's a riot. I mean, he is hilarious. But I got my first radio single with him, and it was just a small market thing and it was pretty cool. 00:08:40 Speaker 1: He tell us the song do you oh yeah, yeah, it's it's called kind of like asking a cattle farmer how many cows he has? 00:08:47 Speaker 3: You? 00:08:47 Speaker 1: Hear? I got a natural songwriter. Go, yeah, I had a song on the radio, and you go, what was it? And then he's like, yeah, yeah, you know you may have heard it song we've never. 00:09:00 Speaker 9: We're like, oh, okay, okay, yeah, no, this is a song you've probably never heard of. 00:09:05 Speaker 2: But it's called Can't I Get An Amen? 00:09:08 Speaker 9: And he he put that out and it was you know, and I made hundreds of dollars. 00:09:18 Speaker 2: It was amazing. 00:09:19 Speaker 9: But but I got I got hooked. I got hooked. And so not long after that, I my wife's job. She was kind of getting over it, and I was like, we could go to Nashville, and so we were in southeast Ohio at the time and backpacking Mecca yeah. 00:09:43 Speaker 1: Yeah, right, backpack and turkey poaching Mecca y yeah. 00:09:49 Speaker 9: Actually on that that that podcast about the turkey poaching really hit home because I literally had my AC units stolen off. 00:09:57 Speaker 2: The side of my house. 00:09:59 Speaker 1: Are you serious? 00:10:00 Speaker 9: Oh yeah, same area, Pat, Yeah, yeah, but uh we So we moved down and I had already built. 00:10:10 Speaker 1: So your your wife had a job where she could work correct anywhere, and and you were like, hey, we can move to Nashville. Yeah, You're like, I'm a famous songwriter, now this sounds like something I would do totally. 00:10:25 Speaker 5: I'm just thinking about your wife must just be a person. 00:10:29 Speaker 2: She's a lot better than me. 00:10:32 Speaker 9: But she was extremely supportive and so we were like, let's do it. And my my son, I think was like six and my daughter was two, and we're like, let's go for it. This is a good time to do it. So we moved down and I instantly started, you know, expanding my network and writing with, you know, notching up on who I was writing with, and learning a lot because I was, I figured out real quickly at how green I was, and there was a lot to learn. And I'm very very blessed. I had some like incredible mentors who wrote some incredible songs. 00:11:12 Speaker 2: And name drop, we want to hear him, Okay. 00:11:17 Speaker 9: One of my favorite mentors early on was Craig Bickheart, who he had some some hits back in the eighties, like in between Dances for who was that. 00:11:29 Speaker 2: Pam Tillis or something. 00:11:31 Speaker 5: Okay, and then we're back to mister era. 00:11:34 Speaker 6: Yeah. 00:11:35 Speaker 9: But then he was part of a band called s KB it used to be SKO and they had like There's No Easy Horses and they were on tour with Alabama back in the late eighties. But he is a fantastic songwriter and I learned a whole lot from him. But then Rivers Rutherford, who is a legend. I mean he he wrote like when I get where I'm going, he wrote, you know, huge Brooks and Dune songs. I can't remember everybody else's songs, but I could barely my own. 00:12:13 Speaker 5: A real good Man. 00:12:14 Speaker 2: Yes, you're done, Yes, Tim girrawl, Real good Man. 00:12:18 Speaker 1: So when you're a songwriter, yeah, okay, describe to me. Okay, so your family's moved to Nashville and you're being mentored and you're you're actually in that world. Yeah, get getting paid to write songs. Tell me how the song world works, because now you're because you're hawking Horse is kind of like this personal thing that you do. Correct Your songwriting is much different than that because you're writing stuff not about frontiersman. You're like working, and I guess the goal would be to write some number one song that's on the radio, exactly right, I mean that's the goal of it, I guess every songwriter. 00:12:57 Speaker 6: Yeah. 00:12:58 Speaker 2: In twenty fifteen, I signed with Sony and my calendar was like booked out three months in advance, so I knew like. 00:13:07 Speaker 6: Where I was going to be. 00:13:08 Speaker 9: Every day, you know what publishing company who I was writing with. 00:13:12 Speaker 1: A publishing company would say we need a song, so we need a songwriter, and you would just be like a talent they would bring in and they would say, today, we're going to write a song about horses. 00:13:25 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're like okay, I mean really it was on me. 00:13:29 Speaker 9: I had we have what's called a hook book, and he's it's an idea we write down. 00:13:34 Speaker 1: Oh I want to write a song, so you have your own hookbook. 00:13:38 Speaker 6: Okay. 00:13:39 Speaker 1: I am taking note of all this because I have three big plans in my life. Number one to become a commercial fisherman. Number two to be a stand up comedian. Number three to be a Nashville songwriter. Of all those things, I am closest to being a songwriter. 00:13:59 Speaker 2: Right absolutely. I mean technically you're in. 00:14:03 Speaker 5: Are you going to move to Nashville? 00:14:05 Speaker 1: I mean, whatever it takes, I guess. Okay, maybe maybe now with the internet, you could be a Nashville songwriter and just stay at home. 00:14:17 Speaker 6: Did you notice that Missy said? Are you will? 00:14:22 Speaker 1: I kind of like, okay, so so you're you have a hook book? So correct come you come to the table with some ideas, But how did they know what kind of songs you're wanting to write or how do you know what they want? 00:14:35 Speaker 9: Well, it used to be in the eighties and nineties, three two three songwriters would get together and they would throw out ideas, throw it out. You know, I've got this idea about a pickup truck. And then you throw out. 00:14:49 Speaker 2: The ideas and and then you go, oh, no, that sucks. How about this? 00:14:53 Speaker 9: And you you know, you might be throwing you might be thrown out ideas for half a day. In some cases, it's it depends who you're writing with. Nowadays you're sitting down with an artist and so maybe they're trying to put a certain topic on an album they're working on, where they're I need something up tempo or I need so there's a little more unknown pressure. It used to be just going and write the best song that's in the room that day. Now it's I'm very topical. Yeah, your target a target exactly. So it's maybe a little less inspirational to start. 00:15:32 Speaker 2: But but Rivers. 00:15:34 Speaker 9: Rutherford, he always told me, don't write when you're inspired, write until you're inspired. Oh, get in there, dig in and you don't quit until you get it. 00:15:46 Speaker 3: So I's gonna be locking himself. 00:15:50 Speaker 1: I'm taking notes, taking notes over here. 00:15:53 Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean there's yeah. 00:16:04 Speaker 4: To hear the backstory of Feed Jake. You know that dog? That that song about the dog? Yeah, from the I think that was early nineties. 00:16:12 Speaker 6: It's not really sad. 00:16:15 Speaker 4: He's been a good friend right through it all. If I die before I wake, feed Jake. I think about it every day whenever I'm out of town, and I'm wondering if my chickens. 00:16:23 Speaker 5: Are going to be alive when I come home. Reverse Feed Jake. 00:16:26 Speaker 4: But anyway, I just am curious how that one came about. That's all I could think about. 00:16:31 Speaker 8: When you would have liked that old Tom T Howst a song about who's going to feed them hogs? 00:16:38 Speaker 6: You never heard that? How it go? 00:16:40 Speaker 1: How's it go? 00:16:41 Speaker 3: Is? 00:16:41 Speaker 8: It's about I'm trying to remember the the the way it goes, the verse. But he's so this guy is sick and he's laid up in the in the bed and in the hospital bed, and all he can talk about. Tom T says, all he can talk about is who's going to feed them? I understand it is great man. 00:17:01 Speaker 1: If you could sing, you would probably have like the ultimate. It's like, yeah, I mean you you know. 00:17:10 Speaker 5: Are we assuming that? Brent Canton? 00:17:12 Speaker 6: That's what I'm saying. 00:17:13 Speaker 1: Brent Cantson, I don't know. 00:17:16 Speaker 2: I don't believe. 00:17:17 Speaker 5: I think. 00:17:20 Speaker 1: So now your beat? You're you're living in Nashville. Do you have to live in Nashville to be a songwriter? 00:17:27 Speaker 2: You kind of do? 00:17:28 Speaker 3: Okay, asking for a friend, you kind of do. 00:17:31 Speaker 1: I tried for a while not to live there. 00:17:33 Speaker 9: Okay, but you can't. You can't avoid it. You gotta be pressient. 00:17:37 Speaker 1: Way collaboration and creativity really flows when you're like I to die with people. 00:17:42 Speaker 9: One of my first champions in that town, Alex Torres, he uh he told me. I remember calling him up and I hadn't moved there yet, and I was really like, should I uproot my family and move down to Nashville? And I called him and I was like, hey, you know, should I Should I do this? And he just deadpan, he was like, if you have to ask the answers, No, You'll only come here if you've got to come here, And and that hit me. 00:18:17 Speaker 1: I was like, pack the bags. Conviction. 00:18:22 Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, so. 00:18:26 Speaker 1: Is it true. Okay, maybe maybe I heard I don't know where I heard this, but like when you go to Nashville and you go to a restaurant and someone waits on your table and they're like a twenty something person, there's a pretty good chance that they are in Nashville trying to make it in the music scene somewhere. 00:18:46 Speaker 2: I would say that's very active. 00:18:48 Speaker 1: I mean, it's like a it's like a mecca for people to show up and a lot of people, I mean, the vast majority of people would go there and have their dreams crushed. 00:18:58 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 00:18:58 Speaker 10: Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely, And it kind of makes it a if you're like Chris Stapleton or whoever, it kind of makes it a pain to go out to eat because everybody's trying to sneak a CD and your sandwich or thumb drive dumb. 00:19:15 Speaker 1: Stapleton was that guy, Absolutely that he was. Man, it's like the lottery, like you know the lottery. Absolutely, they let some people win, and so it gives all the people that don't win inspiration that they're gonna win the next time. 00:19:30 Speaker 6: You know. 00:19:32 Speaker 1: I don't know who's controlling this, but uh sounds like a rigged system. 00:19:36 Speaker 2: The best analysis is. 00:19:38 Speaker 9: It's kind of like baseball, and there's like the minor leagues, is like most of most of the songwriters, and then and then somebody gets called up, you know, And. 00:19:49 Speaker 1: Is it always the best guy for real? 00:19:52 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's tons of ridiculously talented people out there who will never be found. 00:20:00 Speaker 6: Yeah. 00:20:00 Speaker 1: Yeah, well sounds it like a coon hunt, Brent. 00:20:03 Speaker 6: The best dog don't always win. It's the guy that knows the. 00:20:06 Speaker 1: Rules mm hmm, or gets lucky. 00:20:10 Speaker 5: Will didn't win. Willie Nelson couldn't make it in Nashville. 00:20:15 Speaker 1: Home he went. He went down to Texas and became Willie Nelson. 00:20:18 Speaker 3: He's true. 00:20:19 Speaker 2: He wrote crazy. 00:20:21 Speaker 9: He wrote crazy like a mile from my house in a building that's not even there anymore in Goodletsville, and he he gave up and headed down there and became. 00:20:33 Speaker 6: Yeah, Willy, he did all right, the beheaded Stranger. 00:20:37 Speaker 1: So I won't put these words in your mouth, but you were, like, all write songs every single day? 00:20:43 Speaker 6: Right? 00:20:43 Speaker 2: Is that true? 00:20:45 Speaker 6: So? 00:20:45 Speaker 1: I mean you just like like you just. 00:20:47 Speaker 3: Crank them out. Are you talking about lyrics and music? 00:20:51 Speaker 6: Which comes first? 00:20:53 Speaker 9: It depends on the day really for me, For me, the lyrics are the most important part especially being in Nashville. It's a it's a song town, and so historically. 00:21:06 Speaker 1: Wait a minute, what's the other kind of town. 00:21:08 Speaker 2: Well, that's more of a like to me, La is more of a beat town. 00:21:13 Speaker 1: Like it's I do best. 00:21:20 Speaker 9: You never struggle with words, So Nashville is your town. Okay, okay, yeah, it's to me, lyrics are usually first because it's the idea. But every once in a while somebody comes in with a cool lick and you're like, oh, let's write. 00:21:34 Speaker 6: Something like that. 00:21:35 Speaker 2: So sometimes it's the other way. 00:21:37 Speaker 8: But I'll tell you what gets me about lyrics. You don't you can't speak Spanish, Buy a chance? Can that gumt? Listen to songs in English rhyme versus a rhyme. Listen to a song in Spanish. I can't find two words in it. It sounded like when you get to the end of a beat, when it's when it's supposed to rhyme with the sentence before. 00:22:08 Speaker 6: I can't find anything. 00:22:10 Speaker 1: You have you explored this a lot? I have asked everybody I know songs rhyme. 00:22:15 Speaker 5: Let's just go Selena's bitty bitty bumba. 00:22:18 Speaker 6: I don't know about that at all. Bumba. 00:22:25 Speaker 1: We may have gotten off track. 00:22:29 Speaker 2: How many songwriters do we get in here? 00:22:32 Speaker 6: We've had you. 00:22:33 Speaker 1: Have one in your presence all the time. 00:22:35 Speaker 6: Okay, how many real songwriters do we have? Every time? 00:22:39 Speaker 1: Original songs? Somebody? 00:22:46 Speaker 6: Have you made? Have you made dolls? 00:22:48 Speaker 3: It's like a form letter, the ballad of filling the plank? 00:22:52 Speaker 6: Yeah? 00:22:53 Speaker 1: Yeah, Josh about this? 00:22:56 Speaker 6: It works? 00:22:56 Speaker 3: How many fans written that? A start off with the ballad of How many songs do you think you've written? 00:23:08 Speaker 6: Andrew? 00:23:11 Speaker 2: Definitely over a thousand? Wow, Lord, probably fourteen? 00:23:15 Speaker 5: You write every day? You're writing a song every day? Yeah, all right. 00:23:19 Speaker 3: Do you have like a goal, like I'm going to complete a song today? 00:23:23 Speaker 9: I yeah, I almost always, Like I usually get five songs a week. 00:23:29 Speaker 1: Really, yeah, a contract with somebody to do that? 00:23:33 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I have been. 00:23:35 Speaker 9: I'm I've written for three different companies and it's and it's funny because they're the contract says you need to turn in twelve one hundred percent songs or thirty six third percent you know, songs per year. 00:23:51 Speaker 2: But if you're only doing that, you're not in the game. 00:23:54 Speaker 9: So really, everybody's just writing four or five days a week, cranking them out Wow. 00:23:59 Speaker 1: And so you write a bunch of songs that never see the light of day anywhere. Absolutely, So it's just they're just trying to funnel through as much and they'll one will ping with an artist. So you're writing songs for some of these country artists that are trying to make it into the mainstream, which, like I mean, I'm speculating here, but you're not necessarily trying. You're not trying to be like a country music star. 00:24:30 Speaker 2: I am not. 00:24:31 Speaker 1: You would be if they asked you, But that's not like the that's you're a songwriter. 00:24:36 Speaker 2: Yeah I am. That's what I'm passionate about. 00:24:37 Speaker 6: It is the writing. 00:24:39 Speaker 2: And uh. 00:24:40 Speaker 1: And so a home run for you would be for Luke Comb's or somebody to pick to somehow hear one of your songs and be like I want to record that, absolutely, and that would be like massive. 00:24:51 Speaker 5: That might actually be like a world series. 00:24:54 Speaker 2: That would be the worst. 00:24:55 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that would be the world series right absolutely? 00:24:59 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I Uh, it's funny. 00:25:02 Speaker 9: It's I was telling somebody the other day, you write, say you write a thousand songs, five songs will make you ninety nine percent of your money you make in your whole career like woa. 00:25:13 Speaker 1: Wow, it's so that's like gold mining. 00:25:16 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is kind of prospective. 00:25:18 Speaker 3: Is that the law of averages? Like if I write enough songs, surely one of them is gonna be a hit. 00:25:22 Speaker 6: Yeah. 00:25:23 Speaker 9: And that's the funny thing is just because those other nine hundred and ninety five make sure I'm doing my math right. 00:25:31 Speaker 2: Songs, that doesn't mean they're not hits. That's what's funny. 00:25:35 Speaker 6: They just didn't get the shot. 00:25:36 Speaker 9: Yeah, or they haven't got There's just a lot of songs in that town. 00:25:40 Speaker 2: And then there's back catalog. 00:25:41 Speaker 9: I mean, for goodness sakes, if you're like say Jason Aldean and you're looking for songs, yeah, you're looking at new stuff. But what if there's like this old Whalen song that was never cut? 00:25:54 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, well that would be pretty cool. 00:25:57 Speaker 9: So there's there's literally decades of back catalog in that town that are amazing. Tom t Hall songs or Don Williams, it's amazing. 00:26:08 Speaker 4: Who has access to the hook book? I'd kind of like to hear about the other side of it. So you're supplying who where does the demand come from? 00:26:16 Speaker 6: Well? The artist? 00:26:18 Speaker 9: So who like say it's like Monday, and I look at my calendar and it's like, all right, I am writing with this artist. Say, I'm like my buddy Tristan Morez. He's a Texas country artist, and I'm like, okay, he usually writes. 00:26:32 Speaker 2: This kind of stuff. 00:26:32 Speaker 9: So I'll I'll be thinking, oh, what, what's a good idea for Tristan? Because I have him coming up on my books next week. So then we'll go in and I'll throw out some ideas and he might have one. The dream is for the artist to walk in with an idea, because you know they're already into it, right, So as a songwriter, you're like, please let them be excited about something. So because now otherwise I got to sell an idea that I have and just hope it connects with them. 00:27:03 Speaker 1: So well, I want to hear you play the Ballad of Warner Glenn. Yeah, man, so this song. So we didn't really finish our full introduction, but Andrew wrote me about this out Hawking Horse album that was coming out about the Frontiersman in the West, the Fur Trappers, and he seemed like a cool guy, and that's right when I had had this Ballad of Warner Glenn, like mostly finished, but I said, hey, would you take this song and do whatever you want to it, but record it for me professionally? And he was like absolutely, And it just felt like it was right up his alley to do it. And uh and and and he helped me become a registered songwriter. Well what organization, Uh, you're with ascap ass cap Yeah, yep, yep, it's official all right. So if for people who haven't maybe maybe hadn't been following along, We did a big series on Warner Glenn. Warner Glenn is now eighty seven years old. He lives in Southeast Arizona. We did a video project with Warner. He's an incredible man and I've spent some time with him on a couple different trips. And came back from Southeast Arizona and was inspired to write a ballad about Warner Glenn. And then it turned over to Andrew and and he helped me with some of the some of the lyrics and the chorus mainly, and put just put some magic on it. So sing it for us, man, I. 00:28:37 Speaker 9: Didn't have to change too much. The lyrics were pretty fantastic. 00:28:41 Speaker 1: Yeah, they were pretty fantastic. Andrews said, you should see him have a bulldozer. 00:29:04 Speaker 2: Way down south on the border of. 00:29:07 Speaker 11: Mexico with rattlesnakes, cactus and bandiedos, dirt and spurs, Feed the hounds and let. 00:29:18 Speaker 6: Them go. 00:29:21 Speaker 11: As a boy Marvin Toddham with big charms, rude and open country where the jaguars wrong, Open country full of a different kind of gold. 00:29:43 Speaker 2: Sixteen hand mules saddled up to four. The song glows. 00:29:49 Speaker 11: Nobody told them this wretched life is a hard road, hiding rising sun behind the cheery cow was O. 00:30:01 Speaker 2: He's mounted in mood and for an all. 00:30:04 Speaker 11: Their mule backstroke in open country where the jaguars rong, open country full of a different kind of gold. The lion track in the dirt seven miles in. But where'd he go? Got a pack of wide walkers that are philosopher's like through working cross the dirt like the farm and works his rose up the canyon around the rock. 00:30:38 Speaker 1: Chasing the ghost of a shadow. 00:30:41 Speaker 11: Through open country where the jaguars rong, open country full of a different kind of gold. 00:30:53 Speaker 2: Open country will be lost. 00:30:56 Speaker 11: No one knows, but this ould countries where the jiguire roams the lonely catch him if he crosses the plateau, chasing him over the rim rocks and old hook basing man. Hope it's no lion. He seeks a little wildness. You can control who I'm talking about. 00:31:29 Speaker 2: It's Worn and Glen and it's mum chummo. 00:31:57 Speaker 6: Exce e. 00:32:00 Speaker 8: Oh man, man, Yeah, how did that feel here just watching him? 00:32:08 Speaker 1: That's really cool? Yeah, really cool man. That sounds good. 00:32:13 Speaker 3: Thanks guys. 00:32:14 Speaker 5: He's really good. 00:32:15 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. So that song, if somebody didn't have any context, it possibly could be confusing. Warner Glenn is a mountain lion, dry ground mountain lion hunter, and that's why there's you know, there's if you If you know about Warner Glenn, this song makes a lot of sense. Marvin is his dad, who's long passed away. But Marvin todt him where the big Tom's rove. That's in the beginning. He lives in the Chirikawa Mountains. Warner Glenn owns I'm pretty sure seventeen mules, and hardly one of them is under sixteen hands tall, which is really tall for a mule. Warner Glenn's sixty six. He needs a big muley. 00:32:56 Speaker 6: He uh he. 00:32:58 Speaker 1: He runs a pack of mixed walker dogs and my favorite line in there is He's got a pack of white walkers that are philosophers like throw because these dogs are at the pinnacle of the hound hunting world for their ability to trail game, because it's the toughest conditions there is for trailing game, which is dry and hot, and so they're chasing the ghost of a shadow, which is cool. And then so the chorus talks about jaguars though, and that part of the world is the only place in America where the range of the jaguar goes into America. And if you watched our film on the Media YouTube channel, you would see that Warner Glenn was the first person to ever document a live jaguar in America his dogs, and I believe it was nineteen ninety six, and then he did it again in the two thousands. He was lying hunting for mountain lions, which are a lot of mountain lions out there, and his dogs bade what he thought was a mountain lion, and he goes into the dogs and it's a jaguar, and he has this camera with him and he takes a photograph and it's the first photograph ever of a jaguar not dead. Now there's a bunch of old photos of dead jaguars. The first first time they're like, yep, there's a live jaguar. And it was before trail cameras were real prominent and such, and yeah, there's a painting right there. You can buy that painting. I'm pretty sure the last name of that painter is McWilliams. But this I've got, I've got the jaguar that de las Delos. 00:34:43 Speaker 5: That's what it says on the paint, not McWilliams, yea delos And you. 00:34:46 Speaker 3: Can he's that's the guy you both paint from. 00:34:50 Speaker 1: Yeah, McWilliams paint yeah, down in southeast Arizona. But so when you're in that country, though, it's it's like jaguar country, and that's kind of the lore. And Warner Glenn's eighty seven and he's seen two, you know, and most people have lived there their whole lives and seen zero. His dad always wanted to see a jaguar and never did. His dad, Marvin, never cause a jaguar. Oh yeah, that's incredibly rare. And so that's why the chorus talks about jaguars. But the but the main thing is is, uh is there They're lion hunting, and then he had a mule. I had to pick a mule name because he in his book, Warner Glenn has a book, and in his book, Uh, he was given a mule name Muchomo from a rich, wealthy Mexican rancher who he and his dad went down into Mexico to catch lions off this ranch that were pread that, you know, catching cattle and horse cults and stuff. And the man liked Warner so much that he gave him his finest Well, as the story went, I'm pretty sure this. This wealthy rancher said, Warner, you can have any one of my horses that you want, some version of he's. He offered him a horse, and Warner said, you know what, I really don't want any of your horses, but I'd like that mule, Machomo. And so the rancher was like, really you want the mule. B So so Warner took Mochomo and he became this like incredible mule. And so that's why I love Warner Glenn. He chose the mule over the horse. 00:36:36 Speaker 6: How about Banjo? 00:36:37 Speaker 1: What's that? 00:36:38 Speaker 6: How about Benjo? Dude? 00:36:41 Speaker 1: We'll not even go there. Okay, it's not time to release the information. Let me tell you this, I've been riding banjo all over these mountains for the last week. 00:36:51 Speaker 3: It's true, and got the offers of ten grand. 00:36:55 Speaker 1: Oh next year, should I just be desirous of ling him? He'll be worth ten grand. He's a fantastic mule. He's beautiful and he's doing very good. I might even lik him better than is. 00:37:10 Speaker 6: He Come on out there say that. 00:37:15 Speaker 1: Yeah, she's kind of a piece of work. 00:37:18 Speaker 5: But anyway, he's the pain. 00:37:21 Speaker 1: That was cool Andrew? So people, where can people find that song? 00:37:25 Speaker 6: Oh? 00:37:25 Speaker 9: You can find it anywhere you stream music, Spotify, Apple Music, Amazon. 00:37:32 Speaker 1: Add it to your playlist. Yeah, guess guess who gets Guess who gets the money? Me and Andrew There. 00:37:40 Speaker 3: All right, maybe we may may hundreds of the I will quit. 00:37:52 Speaker 6: Everybody. Everybody media downloaded music, download, download. 00:37:57 Speaker 5: All the time, and I've not seen a paycheck yet. Tell me not my choice either. 00:38:04 Speaker 3: In the car, it's the only song you've got on his playlist. 00:38:08 Speaker 4: Repeat when mess with that playlist because that comes on first. 00:38:11 Speaker 3: It's like, all. 00:38:12 Speaker 1: Right, well, no, for real, you need to go check out Hawking Horse. Yeah, Hawking Horse, you have a lot of songs. Yeah, My favorite one is Jeremiah Johnson. I think, oh yeah, I love that Yeah, yeah. 00:38:26 Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that song too. 00:38:27 Speaker 6: I can watch that movie every day and I listen to that song a bunch of times. It's good. Yeah. 00:38:32 Speaker 3: Yeah, well I've never seen it. 00:38:39 Speaker 6: Something you just don't tell. 00:38:41 Speaker 1: Yeah, I should have kept that to yourself. Well that's incredible. Well, hey, but the reason. 00:38:47 Speaker 3: Before we get into the can he tell us about this rifle. 00:38:51 Speaker 1: Yeah, quickly, because we we've got, we've got there's just got a lot to do. A beautiful Yeah, tell us about the rifle. 00:39:00 Speaker 9: Well, this is a forty five caliber Kibbler woods Runner, and it's there. Jim Kibler is a gun builder out of Ohio, and he makes these C and C rifle kits and they go together like legos. I mean, this is I'm not some amazing woodworker, I you know, I just put this together. But anyway, this is my new baby and I plan on taking a deer with it this year. 00:39:30 Speaker 1: It's a it's a flint lock. 00:39:32 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a flint lock. 00:39:33 Speaker 1: So it actually has a rock, a piece of flint YEP makes the spark that ignites the powder. 00:39:39 Speaker 2: YEP, black powder only wow. 00:39:42 Speaker 1: And it's a would you describe that as a Kentucky long rifle style gun? 00:39:47 Speaker 2: Absolutely it Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is called. 00:39:49 Speaker 9: A woods runner, so it's a little more nimble for running through the woods. 00:39:53 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's a beautiful gun. 00:39:55 Speaker 9: But yeah, it's a Pennsylvania, Kentucky long rifle either one of those names. 00:39:59 Speaker 6: Yeah. 00:40:01 Speaker 1: Well so. So on Instagram, Andrew is Hawking Horse and he posts it's kind of like an educational in a way channel about the frontier. Like he posts a lot of art and a lot of pictures and he'll have information about I mean, like I learned stuff following Talking Horse on Instagram. Yeah a lot. So, but that's why he's kind of big into the flint lock and all this stuff. 00:40:31 Speaker 5: It's actually Hawking horse Band. Some Hawking horse band. 00:40:38 Speaker 1: Yeah, check it out. Check it out. So the reason I wanted to have Andrew here today was because we're talking about Davy Crockett and uh, if you're if you're new to the podcast. On the Render, we talk about out what happened the week before on the actual Bear Grease podcast And guys, guess what. You're all in trouble because we have another quiz. I we have another quiz a row the yeah, the last the last quiz seemed to do it was. I felt like that it helped me get some energy gain control of my podcast again because I then know if you guys are paying attention, because sometimes I'm like, was the podcast last week? And they are like, oh, it was great, and I'm like, what was it about? Pop quiz? 00:41:43 Speaker 8: It's what happened on the way home from fishing this morning to day Me and Josh had you on it. What was that one? 00:41:51 Speaker 5: Oh? 00:41:52 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, y'all were studying. 00:41:53 Speaker 8: You were spitting out some info Jack like drinking from a firehood from my ears. 00:42:00 Speaker 1: Okay, here we go. The first person to answer, just blurt it out, blurted out. Even you can even cut the cut the question in half. Each correct answer gets a point. Incorrect answer are minus point five. Incorrect answers get that point. Who wins gets the rifle? 00:42:27 Speaker 8: All right, here we go. 00:42:32 Speaker 1: Question number one, how quickly did Crockett married Elizabeth under after Polly his first wife? Three months? Goes to Josh. I feel like this quiz, that's where we could have. 00:42:47 Speaker 5: Unfortunately favors the impulsive. 00:42:54 Speaker 1: The impulsive are going to get minus points if they get it one of. 00:42:58 Speaker 3: The one of the beatitudes blessed. 00:43:02 Speaker 6: Quiz. 00:43:02 Speaker 1: I think that was on there, Josh. 00:43:03 Speaker 2: Remember that. 00:43:06 Speaker 6: That was. 00:43:08 Speaker 1: Okay, So that was the way the podcast started off, was talking about his wife dying. Yeah, it was, it was, and then he within three months married. We don't know the exact date that Polly died. I don't think that's like in the record. Well, it wasn't in the books that I read. It probably is on a headstone somewhere. We don't know exactly when she died the day she died, but we do know that he got married on the March fifteenth. 00:43:36 Speaker 6: What was December the fourteenth? What was that? 00:43:40 Speaker 5: Could be a question on the quiz. 00:43:41 Speaker 6: Well, that's my answer right now. 00:43:43 Speaker 1: There's nothing. Nothing happened on December fourteenth, of note in the last two hundred years. But it was very pragmatic, and that's where we went, and that's when Robert Morgan brought up this idea of pragmatism being of value. The American Front. 00:44:01 Speaker 3: June the eleventh, eighteen fifteen. 00:44:03 Speaker 1: Polydid negative, that's what it says. Okay, Well, then Crockett married Elizabeth two months before that. We've got a major scan. 00:44:12 Speaker 6: Oh, bump, bump, bum. 00:44:14 Speaker 3: I still got my point. 00:44:15 Speaker 1: You still get your point. We're gonna have to get to the bottom of this. Let's let's not do that now. 00:44:21 Speaker 3: We're going to have another episode now, folks. 00:44:23 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, But the pragmatism, mister, you were going to say something about pragmatism. 00:44:28 Speaker 6: I want to say something. 00:44:29 Speaker 2: Go ahead, let me talk. 00:44:32 Speaker 4: No, it's all right, you go ahead. I'm trying to remember what I was going to say about pragmatism. 00:44:36 Speaker 8: I'll tell you what I was going to say about it, because I want to say something about it too. I counted eight times it was used in one paragraph, pragmatism, pragmatic, it's very pragmatic, fantastic. It was used eight times. I counted on while we was driving down the road. I was hoping that was going to be a test question. But that's all I had to say about it. 00:44:55 Speaker 1: That's all so used it. I thought it was I thought it was good that it was u It came up over and over, it came okay, question. 00:45:05 Speaker 2: But what I. 00:45:07 Speaker 4: Thought, you know, Robert Morgan was talking about how a lot of there was a lot of idealism though in the South, and that I'm trying to remember, was he saying idealism was an American It is because you said it's unique. He said, it's not unique, but it is American. 00:45:29 Speaker 1: Right well. He but then he contrasted the North and the South and the in the Civil War, and he talked about how the South was was that was part of the reason some believe they lost the war was they were they were more idealistic, less pragmatic, and so the South would have been kind of excluded from the pragmatic American thinking that that was what he was saying. 00:45:57 Speaker 9: So I like that quote he said when you guys were talking, Robert Morgan said something of the fact of nothing is the end of the world. 00:46:05 Speaker 5: Yeah, America that I actually have that quote written. 00:46:08 Speaker 2: Yeah, that hit home. I was like, oh yeah, yeah, that's an American way right there. 00:46:12 Speaker 1: Yeah. And the idea that the actual geographic size of America gave us so much opportunity, and then that became part of the national character was opportunity. And it all goes back to land, which in human history it almost always goes back to land, and like who's got the land? And do you own it? That's that's like the story. I mean, even all the way back to the garden of Eden and Adam and Eve, the land and the people. And in America, coming from this really overcrowded Europe that was settled from shore to shore for the most part, they came to this huge place that which in the America an ideal was a wilderness. But my friend Taylor Keene a couple of years ago, he was the first one I remember saying it to me. He said, the idea that America was a wilderness is a farce. It wasn't. It was a It was a robust civilization. But to the European it looked like wilderness. To the Native Americans, it looked like a great civilization, you know. And so that's a whole nother story. But basically we came in and had all this room to grow, room to mess up, room to become wealthy. And so I mean, it's it's really a part of the American story is the land which is wild and and and the more I dig into American history, the more I realized how wild it is. That there's not like five countries inside of what is now the continental US. It totally would have made sense. I mean, that's what the South tried to do with the Civil War was to make their own country. I mean, and it's a wonder there wasn't you know of Spanish. I mean that they're just it was so broken up, so many people had stakes in it. And the fact that it became from Atlantic to Pacific the same nation is wild. 00:48:10 Speaker 6: Well, this one big hunker ground. It is three countries. 00:48:14 Speaker 1: And that's why I said, you know what is now the continental US right right right? 00:48:20 Speaker 4: It is part of the challenge that I think America is facing right now is all of these you know that it's not just geographic spread, but the diversity of ideas and the diversity of and one of the one of the challenges that we give our students every year in one of our classes is to you know, think about the US in terms of different countries and how would you how would you put it together? And some people do it just by geography, but a lot of the students say, well, it's more about ideals, and they try to group people by ideals. And our school is is has a hybrid been to it, and so kids are actually coming from all over the US and and and there's there is like a there was a big famous article about ten years ago the nine Nations of North America, and it's it's challenging because it's not geographically split. It's it's really more split off of a set of ideals. 00:49:15 Speaker 1: Yeah, interesting, very interesting. Okay, Question number two, what topic did host Clay Nukeom ask the render members. 00:49:28 Speaker 2: To Alabama and. 00:49:34 Speaker 1: The point Andrew Will Yes. Okay, so there's only so much you can talk about. Crockett goes down to Alabama. He's married to Elizabeth. He goes down to Alabama and he gets incredibly sick. He's traveling with two guys, just Tennesseeans, and he gets so sick, probably malaria, and they think he's dead. And now it would be interesting to get the real story of, like how do you think a guy's dead to the point that he's alive when you leave him that you're leaving it. I mean, it's almost like two of some of your best friends going fishing without you and not even telling you that they went. 00:50:22 Speaker 4: So especially when your life goal is to be a commercial fisherman. 00:50:31 Speaker 1: These guys that are like his neighbors and such take his horse back to Elizabeth and it is like Crockett and I don't think it was scandalous there was no talk of like they were shysters because they they took his horse back, and so I don't know if I don't know what circumstances drove them to not nurse him or take him. We don't really know, because he just talks about in his autobiography. And so takes the horseback to the wife and says he gone, and and she goes, I don't think he's dead, and perhaps they told her we think he's dead, Like when we left him, he was really sick. And basically he tries to walk home and he's on the side of the road in Alabama, and two Indians come by and they take him when he's dying after these guys left him, and they take him to the nearest home of a white person and just this random house, and these Native Americans drop crocodilef and they say, here's a dude. 00:51:45 Speaker 6: Some I broke you white man. 00:51:47 Speaker 1: Yeah, to come up with a pack. 00:51:52 Speaker 5: Here, guys, if you are ever out in the hunting with. 00:51:55 Speaker 4: His clay, get back, all right, you'd like to go ahead and at that body back just so that we can confirm any sense of uncertainty about it and bring them back breathing. 00:52:10 Speaker 6: I don't know. 00:52:13 Speaker 1: Crockett goes into this house and they give him they have some kind of bottle of medicine and there's a name. 00:52:22 Speaker 3: For some some incredibly powerful elixir. 00:52:26 Speaker 1: Yeah, and they give him like the whole bottle and he's supposed to just take a little bit of it, and he stays unconscious for five days. He's unconscious for five days. 00:52:40 Speaker 6: Yeah, opium, that's it. 00:52:43 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like, yeah, it's like taking some some hydrocodone. 00:52:49 Speaker 1: That's exactly what it was. And then and and he's unconscious for five days and then finally like comes awake, stays with him for two weeks, and then goes back to Elizabeth, and she had already sent a guy out to go check on him. So when he's coming back, the guy's going out and she's like, you're alive. But I thought it was interesting talking about how common that that was back in those days for people to. 00:53:18 Speaker 5: Just think leave the human, bring the horse home. 00:53:21 Speaker 1: Yeah, just for people to think someone was dead because there was just no communication and it was just so common for people to die. And so, I mean that happened so many times. It happened with Boone, and it happened all over and the idea that thinking someone's dead and them not being dead and showing back up. Can you think of a more a scenario with the possibility for a more strong human response? Right, yeah, to just I mean, I like, somebody could die and you get like an emotional responds of oh he's dead. Someone could get lost. You know they're alive, but they're found. It's like, well, we never thought he was dead. He was just gone for a while. Somebody dies, it's like game over the lowest the lowest to the highest of highs like that, they come back. 00:54:17 Speaker 5: Yeah, you can probably write a song about that. 00:54:18 Speaker 2: Yeah, probably you should think about. 00:54:22 Speaker 6: Right now. 00:54:25 Speaker 1: But then and then even taking that back to the pinnacle of the Christian faith, which is Jesus died three days later, came back. 00:54:36 Speaker 6: He did. He did. 00:54:37 Speaker 1: It wasn't fake. And so that's just interesting. It was interesting to me. So thank you for reminding me. That was Andrew, Thank you for reminding me. The score is one Andrew one, Josh Billmaker want him Brent zero, Misty zero. 00:54:53 Speaker 4: I would like to get a half a point because Andrews said at Alabama, but I said near death. 00:55:01 Speaker 5: Experience. 00:55:02 Speaker 1: He said it quicker. Okay, we're moving on question number three in Crockett's let's see, Okay, in Crockett's first term in office, what nickname did he pick up that he. 00:55:16 Speaker 6: From? 00:55:19 Speaker 1: Remember that you picked it right, You picked his pocket gentleman from the cape. 00:55:24 Speaker 2: Over here, like the dude from the cane. 00:55:28 Speaker 1: Gentleman from the cane. 00:55:30 Speaker 6: So that was. 00:55:35 Speaker 1: One Josh one brand zero. That was a I thought that was. 00:55:39 Speaker 6: A cool story. 00:55:41 Speaker 1: And it was the it became. It was early in his life, he was young, it was his first time in public office. This guy really literally came off the American frontier all of a sudden, has put in this place of proper men inside of a political system that's still, even though it's on the American frontier, is quite aristocratic. I mean, we like to think, and this is where Crockett's influence in America is seen so strong, is that all these Europeans came from Europe. And I mean, what do you think when you see a picture of George Washington and Benjamin Franklin, they look like Europeans. Yeah, I mean they're wearing they're wearing the European clothes. They got the European hairstyles. They they were breaking away from that, and their ideals were very different. But still there was a big tinge of kind of this aristocracy and the rich folks lead, and there was the common man that would never have the ability to make this jump. And if you were in a landowner, you didn't have any power. And so Crockett coming from the frontier, and remember he's the first one, really and he's standing up before the Tennessee State Legislature, and this old guy who we don't even know his name anymore, he he is is enforcing, reinforcing to the world that this commoner shouldn't be here. So I mean, it's really it's really showing the ideals of Europe. And he says the Gentleman from the Cane, totally belittling him the cane. It would be like saying the hicks from the sticks. These guys. Crockett comes back the next day wearing, as a joke, a rough and stands up and introduces himself as the Gentleman from the Cane. Charms the whole place. Makes this guy look like an idiot, and for the rest of his life he was. He called himself the Gentleman from the Cane now that he was playing chess well then boys was playing. Yeah, I thought that was cool. Okay, final question, it's a tie, it's a words. Did David Crockett have his portrait artist John Gatsby Chadman. 00:58:04 Speaker 2: Go ahead, go ahead. 00:58:07 Speaker 1: Of his gun? Andrew come you when a Kentucky. 00:58:16 Speaker 12: I was, I'm relieved I. 00:58:27 Speaker 1: Just got that go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. So that was yeah, that was Crockett's. That was Crockett's. Uh, that was his just what he what he said, and he wanted that written on the written on his gun. What did y'all think about? 00:58:43 Speaker 4: Uh? 00:58:45 Speaker 1: Well, I had somebody communicate with me that they didn't understand what Crockett's blunder was. They thought that I was saying that Crockett's blunder was him opposing the Indian removal. I no, I feel like I made it clear. 00:59:03 Speaker 4: I actually said that was Crockett's bleunder Crocketts blender was because I thought I thought you did make it clear and you actually restated it. It was him going on the book and forgetting forsaking his duties as a congressman instead going on the book toward it. 00:59:19 Speaker 1: Maybe that guy didn't finish the podcast because it was clear that the Indian Removal Act, the opposition to that, hurt him politically, but that I think it was his most noble one of his most noble moments, which was very at the time, would have been like pretty highly progressive. That's robe of the wrong word to you today you hear progressive and it brings political connotation. I just mean he was ahead of his time. 00:59:46 Speaker 3: It was like a civil rights move. 00:59:48 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it would have been. And and I learned this today that there were some Native American chiefs that were communit a cat with him, like thanking him for opposing it. Really yeah, so he actually did have some connection to to that community, you know. But but that was pretty big. 01:00:13 Speaker 3: So one of my favorite parts just just not anything really deep, but I we got a really good chuckle out of him when he's on the campaign tour, getting up first and reciting his opponent's complete campaign speech. 01:00:29 Speaker 1: Can you imagine, I. 01:00:30 Speaker 3: Mean, that was that was genius, absolute genius. 01:00:34 Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, I was. 01:00:35 Speaker 4: I was actually driving a bunch of boys to basketball practice and we were listening to this and they thought that whole section him uh knocking on the. 01:00:43 Speaker 5: Door with oh yeah, yeah, I mean they miss Duke. 01:00:46 Speaker 1: I would have thought you would have thought that was inappropriate. 01:00:49 Speaker 5: I did think it was inappropriate. But he didn't do anything. 01:00:51 Speaker 1: I mean, he didn't. You thought it was funny, didn't you. 01:00:54 Speaker 8: I think it's the first, it is the first farmer daughter joke in history. 01:01:00 Speaker 6: He did it was a comedian. 01:01:03 Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh he was, that's it. I mean, he was full of he was. 01:01:09 Speaker 6: Full of it. 01:01:12 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then he and then he he was just It's so it became so common in America for us to have like this folksy backwoods talk. Well, he was the first one to do it. Yeah, I mean, and then and you see that when Robert Morgan talked about his influence on Lincoln. 01:01:37 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what I was going to bring up. 01:01:38 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was pretty major. And I wouldn't have necessarily made that connection. 01:01:43 Speaker 9: When he started laying out the connections, I was like, oh, yeah, I can see it real clearly. 01:01:47 Speaker 1: Well, it was not a template for a for a commoner backwoodsman to be able to step on the political stage. And and Lincoln, you know, Crockett dies in eighteen thirty six, and then Lincoln is you know, obviously president in the eighteen sixties, and he's an older man when he's president. So their lives I don't know when they would have overlapped some. I'm not sure when Lincoln was born. But but you see a generation of influence. It's like all of a sudden there was a space. And that's the way society and culture works, is that someone pioneers a space, like a cultural space for somebody to do something. It's like, oh, I didn't know that I could be a politician. Oh I didn't know that this this kind of talk and connecting to society worked. And so that's how Lincoln stood out, was that he was this he was from the frontier, and he stood out. 01:02:50 Speaker 5: And so anyway, eighteen nine County, Kentucky. Oh wow, so a lot. 01:02:57 Speaker 1: That's great, Andrew, why don't you close us down by playing the ballad of Davy Crocker. I love it, of course. Of course, I'm gonna say. 01:03:07 Speaker 5: You need to know that you've got perfect picture. 01:03:11 Speaker 8: That's that that was a mosquito or ten nights? Which one is it? 01:03:20 Speaker 6: In your ear? 01:03:24 Speaker 5: Yeah? Nights is usually an injury associated with with tennis. 01:03:30 Speaker 6: With tennis, Oh no, it's from fly fishing. All right, there we go. 01:03:39 Speaker 11: I'm born on the mountaintop Tennessee, Greenish State, in the Land of the Free, raised in the woods, so we knew. 01:03:47 Speaker 2: If Tree killed him a bar when he was only three. 01:03:52 Speaker 11: Davy Davy Cracking the Wild Frontier fots angle handed through the Indian until the creeks was with him. 01:04:04 Speaker 6: Peace was in store. 01:04:05 Speaker 2: While he was handled in this risky shore. 01:04:08 Speaker 1: He made himself a legend forever more. 01:04:12 Speaker 11: Baby Day Trucking King of the Wildfrontier. 01:04:19 Speaker 2: He went off to Congress service spell. 01:04:22 Speaker 11: Fixing up the government the laws as well. He took over Washington, so I hear tell, he patched up. 01:04:30 Speaker 2: The track in the Liberty Bell. 01:04:32 Speaker 9: Davy Dave Trocking King of the Wildfrontier. 01:04:40 Speaker 11: When he come home, his politicket's done, while the Western March had just be gone. So he packed his gear and his trustee gone. 01:04:50 Speaker 2: He led out of Grinted with the fall of the sun. 01:04:53 Speaker 1: Davy Day, Trucking King. 01:04:57 Speaker 2: Of the Wildfrontier. All right, here's the last one. 01:05:00 Speaker 6: Here we go. 01:05:01 Speaker 1: He heard Houston. 01:05:03 Speaker 11: And Austin's, and so to the Texas planes he had to go. The Freedom was fighting the other foe, and they needed him at the Alamo. Davy Day, the Tracking King of the wild Frontier. 01:05:26 Speaker 6: Shadowing in Spanish, but none of that, right. 01:05:32 Speaker 1: See thanks to Ton Andrew. 01:05:36 Speaker 2: Thanks thanks for the new rifle. 01:05:40 Speaker 1: I'm excited shooting and uh, I hate to move in on your scene there in Nashville and start writing. 01:05:50 Speaker 6: You know, a man's got to do what a man's gotta. 01:05:55 Speaker 9: Come on down and make hundreds of dollars, make hundreds of dollars here. 01:06:05 Speaker 1: Excellent. Well, we have one more episode of Crocoddle. 01:06:09 Speaker 5: And it's almost like its own thing. It can stand alone. 01:06:14 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, excellent, Thank you all, Thank you all so much. 01:06:20 Speaker 6: Everybody listen to this Country Life and thank you for the folks that are. 01:06:23 Speaker 1: Yeah, this country Life. Ray reads, It's going well. 01:06:28 Speaker 8: See Friday, every Friday morning, Every Friday morning. 01:06:31 Speaker 1: Excellent