00:00:02 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host, Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. I'm your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number two and today of the show. I'm joined by Dan nine Fingers Johnson and Josh further Hilliard to set the stage for the upcoming season day secting our goals, hopes and hit lists for two thousand. All right, welcome to the Wired Hunt Podcast, brought to you by on X, and we've got a good show for you today because already myself and my two partners and Hime I guess you could call him, we've already been laughing. We've already been making inappropriate sexual jokes. We've already we've already had a really good start to the conversation before we started recording, so it should just go swimmingly from here. We got Dan Johnson and further Hilliard and uh, Dan, I gotta tell you something O. Me and Josh further Hilliard. We're going up north to my family deer camp earlier this summer, and it was me, him and my dad. We're in the truck at the gas station, and we'd like, I don't know, Josh had to take a big dump or something. So he was in the bathroom for a long time exactly. He finally came out and as he's walking to the truck from the other side of the parking lot, someone all of a sudden yells further, Oh, now he's got some clue. Don't care about Mark, It was it was pretty great. That's awesome, Mark, You're lucky you got to hang out with me that Then yes, I was, dude, can I get your picture? So, so the three of us are here today because we need to do our annual Goals, Hopes and hit Lists podcast in which we kind of like to just set the stage for the upcoming hunting season. Um, I think we've done this every single year of the podcast, Dan right. So basically the gist will be we'll kind of run through each one of us and talk about, like, what's the final schedule for the year, where we're going, what are we doing, what are some of our kind of tangible goals, Maybe what are some of our pine this guy hopes, Um, if there's any specific bucks were after any specific I don't know, projects or things that we just want to make sure we really do well this year. I want to kind of touch on all that. Um, I have a few ideas and notes of what I want to kind of cover through each of us. But you know, let's just see where this goes. If all of a sudden we decided want to talk about I don't know further's bathroom schedule, we can do that if need be. Um. Speaking of which, my goal is to completely derail this episode. By the way, yet I know we can. We can be done with the bathroom schedule stuff. I know where this has gone, so we should just and he works. He works for the q d M A mark. We can't like Burt smirch. Smirch if that's even a word. Professional. Man, he's a professional. Now, you're right, he's a professional. And when a professional visits another professional for an appointment, you shouldn't talk about it publicly, right exactly. It's like hip hop stuff, hi stuff. So we'll keep Josh's hippo related news just to the three of us. But Dan, be be easy on him, be gentle to Josh today. Oh no, I like Josh. It's you that I'm gonna thank you. It's not it's nice to have some backup once in a while, I know, right, So that's give him too hard of a time. Yeah he really does, man, he really does. The Only reason why I give him a hard time because I know we can handle it and because I love him, right, you think he can handle it. In his mind, he's actually plotting to murder you if I got murdered. If I got murdered, do you think he'd be the number one suspect in most people's eyes, like when they get that news, like, oh, probably Further probably snapped. It's either it's either Further or the guy who thinks we swear too much on this pod gap or talk about kids too much. That's right, h So I can I can add into that convo now. I want to feel like I can add in on that that topic. Did you know that Dan has has a kid? Yeah, so I can. I can give the classic Hey, Mark, if you hear a kid crying in the background, just just we'll just keep going. We can edit that out. He actually was crying when we first started, so hopefully you can't hear him. If you I'm gonna give you one piece advice right now, I don't have three. I laughed really hard Dan, when you wrote that, like I put up a little picture on Facebook or something just like, uh, Wade is my son's day when Wade was born. Dan comes in from left fields like don't have three? Like, no, congrats, nothing like that. It's like, don't I laughed really hard at that. I think I had a good chuckle. I feel you should see our house, like it looks like an abandoned storage shed. I mean, there's just I mean it is just trashed, and me and my wife we try really hard to keep it clean. Oh no, man, no, man, It's like it's like they have an agenda. It's like, oh, let's wake up and trash the house. I don't. I don't know how you do it, because I already feel like that is the case with one kid, so three terrifying. But that kind of ties into one of the first things I did want to ask you about, Dan, not quite getting into our main topic. But um, when we were on the show last time together, maybe at the time before that, um, like over the course of the summer, we we first talked about this idea of trying to institute some new good habits. Next time we chatted, we said, hey, we're gonna run. We're gonna trying to run three miles at least three times a week, and then we're gonna keep each other accountable on it. And since that point, you and may have been texting each other throughout the week with updates and how we're doing. And I just want to come out and commend you because I feel like you've done a damn good job of it. Like we've been getting the little onex trackers going and sending each other screenshot of how far we ran each day and where we went, and uh, I've been pretty darn on point. So pat on the back. Yeah, And that's I tell you what. Um, It's kind of funny. There's nights where I'm sitting in my chair it's eight o'clock at night, or nine almost nine, the kids are finally in bed, and I could either take that moment to just relax in silence, but I can't let that bastard Mark Kenyan beat me in anything, so I have I have to get up and go for a run just so I can send you a screenshot of what I did. Yeah, it's perfect, it's perfect. It really does help me too, because I know my crap. Dan sent me three three screen sets already. One day he went like five miles or something. If I get lazy, I can't be the pansy of the group. So it's been getting me going to so right along with you know, we we do our runs and then every once in a while we'll you know, here's the target here, I'm shooting my bow or whatever. And now I haven't maintained to the three miles three times a week schedule because I'm adding in different exercises and workouts into that. But for the most part, I'm running at least two times a week six miles um and six miles a week and then adding in another exercise in on that. And damn just got me Jack for the mountains. Yeah, I think that's I think that's awesome, just having that, just something to get your day going in a positive direction, working towards the fall. At least for me, I like doing that. Now. It's there's that little moment when it's either late at night or for me it's early in the morning, when I could make that choice, like you, just like you said, like I just want to relax for a moment, and in that second, I don't want to go run or whatever. But always after I did it, I'm always very glad and I feel like just from there on out it's better. So like today, I didn't want to get up, but I knew I gotta get out, hammer my three miles out and then shoot my bow. And it just feels like I made progress. And that's a good feeling. So it's in fact, kudos. I gotta get on this train with you guys. I need some I need some accountability partners on that kind of stuff. Do you want to do? You want in on the group text? Oh yeah, you got a group text going for that. I mean it's a two it's a two persons, let's make it a three person I need some accountability on on some fitness stuff. I gotta get myself back in shape. This ain't a joke further, Okay, I'm not. I'm dead serious, man. So if you're gonna do this, you gotta do it around. I'm in. I'm in. I just I think this is quite common. But man, I put on some pounds during the pregnancy. You should see him. You should see him Dan. He's just a bunch of different circles, is the big old boat man. So I've been I've been meeting a couple of guys and and doing some like waited pack hikes over the last couple of weeks a couple of times a week, and that's been good. But I just need to get some more cardio and try to cut some of this weight by by the fall the old sympathy weight. Luckily, I had my sympathy weight on before my wife got pregnant, so I really didn't need to add any anymore. Just keep that consistently hanging on. Right right, here's been. Here's been the worst part. People are coming to visit and like we're getting like cakes and cookies and like all this stuff, like oh gosh, it's never gonna end. And I just have no willpower for that kind of stuff. So I need I need some some accountability partners on that. So add me to the group text that stuff about three miles three times a week that I gotta shoot your bow. All that stuff perfect, all right, We're not going to take it easy on you. That we'll probably come at you hard if you if you misbeat need that I need that with this kind of stuff. I need to be picked on and made fun of for this kind of stuff. So I feel like I'll fit right in. So there's this there's this Jeff. You guys know what Jeff is or gift I don't know how to say it, gift or Jeff. It's like an animated image. And if you ever bail on one of the times we're supposed to go running, I'm just gonna always send. There's one like if you're if you're using an iPhone a frequent gift for some reason that shows up in like the options. If you just start to search, there's this picture of like a guy with a bunch of hot dogs being thrown on his face. I'm just gonna send that to you repeatedly. Needin shows it shows up in your suggestions because you probably use that that might be So, how is your weekend? And then he sends that gift you. So we gotta stay staying on track here we've gone off the road. Yeah. Other than other than the physical fitness type stuff, which is important for us with a lot of the trips were coming up. How does everybody feel with their summer preparations so far? Because we're almost in mid August, we're almost down to the last like two two and a half weeks the summer um Dan, how are you feeling about your prep other than the physical stuff coming with your with your hunts, your el khant, your mulder hunt, your white tail stuff. Are you where you need to be here? Close to it? Yeah? I think I'm fairly close. Uh. I think the next big thing for me is putting together the official gear list and getting everything organized. Right. I've I've done my work physically. Um, I've done a majority of my preparation. This some or has been done on the elk side and on the mucle there hunt side. Um. You know, I'm going back to a farm that I've hunted now for nine years, eight or nine years now, so I know that farm. I know how it operates. I don't have I have two tree stands up there. I've checked my trail cameras once. I'll go back next weekend to check the trail cameras and possibly put up some more tree stands. But from the white tail side of things, it's just been I'm going back into old territory, right, So I don't necessarily I'm not gonna say I'm a hundred percent prepared, but I'm not under prepared just because of everything I already know about the farm. Okay, So on a one to tense scale for your Western hunts. On a one tense scale, where would you say your level of preparedness of that honest assessment? Honest assessment. And I know I know where I'm going. This is the same place I went last year from Elk hunt, so we know the area roughly. We're going a week later, hoping to catch the beginning of the Elk rut. And I feel, other than having to purchase a couple items for gear, I have everything. Um, physically, I'm gonna ramp it up, like this week was actually ramp up week, where for the next month I'm going hard until it's time to leave. So I would say I'm probably at a seven right now as far as being prepared for the Western hunts. Um, the muleteer hunt that's coming in October. This is a public land, get out of your truck, go hunt. Like, we have no idea other than what information we've researched online or have been told by people who have shared information with us. It's just one of those things where it's going to be a shoot from the hip hunt. So what's your number of that one more of a five? Yeah, it's well, I don't don't even really want to give it a number because I'll be prepared for it, like right now, and probably out of seven with that one too, just for the fact that we're going into it blind. So I don't think there's a way to be prepared for a hunt like that for sure. And then on the white tail sign, man, I'm not like I'll say I'm at a nine right now. I mean I usually and I think we've talked about this in the past. Man, I put my tree stands up, I put them in the good spots, but I never use them. So I'm not really concerned this year that I have. I guess I don't have as many tree stands up as I do in the past, so it'll just be more running and gunning. And that's something that I'm completely comfortable with. So it's not like I I feel bad that I don't have my you know, some trail cameras out or I have you know some other things, you know, my my tree stands out. I just know that I'll I'll fall right back into my routine early September after I get back from the elk hunt, or you know, maybe before I go on my elk hunt. I'll switch my cameras off of my mineral stations to the traditional pinch points betting areas, uh, you know, fence crossing type areas where uh I get more rut deer movement. And then from there it's just falling in line and falling into that routine of of the season. Yeah, off and running. What about you for its one through ten scale on your summer preparations? How are you feeling coming into the two nineteen season? Oh? Man, like a three or four. I just like like have had almost zero time for that stuff. Um with the new baby. He's like six weeks old day, so it's just been it's been crazy the last couple of weeks, just kind of figuring out our new life and doing all that stuff. And um, so I feel very underprepared for like my personal um hunting. UM. I am planning a couple of like mentored hunts and stuff like that that I'm feeling much better about. So hopefully we'll get some other people on some deer um. And I've been doing quite a bit of planning for a trip that we're doing um in October. I'm feeling pretty good about that. But in terms of like my personal hunting here in Michigan, I feel very uh under prepared. So it's going to be a race to October one year over the next couple of a couple of weeks. Why are you underprepared? I just haven't. I just haven't given it the time that I need to give it. I mean, like, are you hunting enough hunted? Every year? I'm primarily hunting public land. I've got like a small piece that I have access to, um privately here that I that I hunted last year for the first time. UM. I figured a few things out on that one, but I need to get out there and and do a little bit more on it. I'm hoping to get out there over the next couple of weeks and prep a couple of trees for UM. I'm primarily running and gunning. I'm gonna switch over to saddle this year, so I need to get out there and prep a couple of trees for saddle. Yeah. I know, I'm trying to be like Mark. I want to be just like Mark. So if you're trying to be cool, that's a bad plan. Yeah, I know, I know, but so yeah, man, I just like I need to do a lot more scouting than than what I've done, and um, I've I've severely lacked on that. Um. I feel like I still have a little bit of time, so I'm not like totally freaking out yet, UM, but I need to get on it so that that that would be the number one reason why I just feel underprepared. Yeah, I feel like and and I know you know I'm going to say this and it's the same old so don't mind me. But I think access is Josh's challenge. So see, I think Josh a little bit doesn't like knocking on doors, right, that's probably something you're not too keen. And so most of the spots he's hunting our public land or spots where you know, like me and him hunt together or him and another buddy are hunting together, and that's great, but there's something to be said about having a spot that's like just yours or you've got all your own, and that you can be out there whenever you need. Um. So I'm sure you know, I know it's hard to get that time right now, but once you do get that time, and it's gonna happen, for it one of these times where you're gonna knock an a door somewhere you're gonna get that hundred acres that maybe it's just you or one other random person, but you know, you can get out there whenever you want, and you can run your own cameras and you can hang your own stands. I think that will be like a a good thing for you, would be a game changer for me for sure. So, um, if anybody's listening has a hundred acres, preferably a mile from your house, yeah, that's a big thing that There's been a couple of pieces like you know, done by Mark. You had some leads and its gonna be I mean it's like an hour and a half for me to get down there, and just you know, this year, out of any I just think I need to be a little closer to home because I think I'm just gonna have to pop out one to get a chance. Right, So it's just gonna be a quick afternoon hunt or get get there for a morning hunt and be back for the afternoon and help my wife out with some stuff. And so it's just gonna be a little bit different year with that kind of stuff where I'm not gonna be able to I don't know how many all days since I'm gonna be doing you know what I mean, Um, it would be nice to have something close to home or I can just pop out and and sit for the morning or get out there for the afternoon hunt and um still be able to fulfill my obligations here at home. So so that in mind, then walk me through real quick for you, Josh, what you think your hunt schedule is going to look like this year? What we're you going to be hunting? What's that going to sure? Sure? So so October, Um, October is going to be probably my my best time, um in terms of having a full month to hunt. My my weekends in October will be limited that Like, like I said, I've got two different mentored hunts for work that I'm basically uh in charge of. I've got one the first weekend in October and one the second weekend of October. Um. You know, there's some logistical things that I'm gonna have to take care of for that and some planning. UM that will take a time to take some time from my from those weeks. But I'm hoping to get out a couple of times during the week. UM. Fortunately my schedule working from home, I have the ability to hunt a little bit more during the week than than some people. So, um, that stuff is going to be just be primarily public land around my house here, um or within you know, an hour or so to drive from my house. Um. And then we're I don't know what, can I say what we're doing in October? Like, yeah, is that good? Yeah? Yeah, we're well that And then our our trip that we're gonna take, Um, so where are you guys going, We're going? Can I is this just good to say? Yeah, we've talked about that. Are we okay? So we're going coming out or something? Just cool? The same announcement. Now we're we're heading up to the Boundary Waters in Minnesota to do a like a canoe in hunt up there for white tails. Um. So we're like budgeting a week for that trip. So that's gonna that's gonna be uh one of my hunts and the end of October really looking forward to that one. Um, it should be a lot of fun. But again, I've been spent a lot of time on on logistics for that one. There's a lot that goes into that one. So um, that's cool. And then uh, November, I'm just gonna you know, try to find a hot spot. That's probably gonna be the time when I'm spending a little bit more time in a little piece of a private I have access to UM again, hopefully during the week when some of the other guys that UM have permission to hunt it won't be there as much. UM. I think it's like sixty acres seventy or something like that, so it's not huge. I know there's at least two other guys that hunt it, maybe another another one. UM. Some of those guys just primarily gun hunted. So I think if I can get out there during the week, I'll have I'll have it to myself, and I've had I have a pretty good line of communication with this other guy that hunts it, so we kind of let each other know when we're gonna be there and try to stay away UM if one of us is going to be out there, so it works out well. But I'm hoping to get out there and uh, you know, spend some time out there in November and hopefully October two if I'm hoping to get a camera out there, so if I see something going on, i'll um, I'll get out there. So UM, the only downside about that place, Mark, it sounds like they didn't get the fields planted in anything this year nothing. So yeah, so that's uh, that's not great, especially for early season stuff. Um, but I think there'll be some some cruisers in there late October and in November, so um yeah, So that's kind of that's kind of my my plan. I think a lot of it's just going to be winging it and getting out when I when I can so and then you get November gun November gun season. Yeah, I'll be a deer amp and then um, um, you know that's always something I'm looking forward to. And man, I feel like this year, like I'm more excited for that, um, for that trip than I have been a long time. I feel like things just keep getting better and keep getting better and keep getting better, and like last year was like really close to making it happen. Um, I've got a lot of I've got a lot of hope and confidence um for this year. That's probably like if we're talking about goals like that would probably be like my number one goal would be to kill a good buck up there. That'd be awesome. It would be so it would be um, and I agree, I feel like the Northern Michigan deer camp is making steady progress. So UM, okay, so that if that's one of your goals, what what else would be considered a goal for you this year? Given it's kind of tough, tough circumstances this year, with time and everything. I mean, that look honestly like my my buck goals. Um, you know, my kind of standards are like a three and a half year old. UM. I think my best chance for that is going to be um that small piece of private that I have access to. Um, but man, I would be I would be stoked if I killed a good one in public. And I've I've got a few spots that i've I've i've found that I think it can maybe happen. Um, we'll see. Um, but I think really just kind of filling my freezer with with some deer or over some does would be um good for this year. I'm getting low on venison. UM, I have another another mouth to feed, um, you know, as he's getting older and eating real food. UM, so it would be nice too. It'd be nice to put a couple of doughs in the freezer this year, UM, to kind of get a good re stock of venison. Um. So I mean if I could, if I could put two does in the freezer this year, i'd be I'd be really happy. Um. You know, obviously i'd love to kill a buck. That's that's what I'm gonna be shooting for, um, you know, really the whole season. But if I can take a dough here or there, um, that'd be That'd be awesome. And I really like to I'd really I like to kill one of those doughs on public land with my bow. That would be cool. So two doughs and the three and a half year old buck, and it'd be even better if you got that big one up north exactly exactly. And and I think my goal for our Minnesota trip would be to see a deer. That's that's my hope up there. Yeah, I think that's a reasonable goal to have. What about you, Dan, what's your final schedule and what your goals would be then? Given that schedule? Yeah, so let's see, we got a second week of September is going to Elk, second week of October we're going to South Dakota for meal deer. And then obviously Iowa probably won't hunt much until you know, mid October. But as far as starting there for white tails, um, I probably want to go. I probably want to get I got a new deep freeze, so I want to fill that out. My goal this year is to kill three doughs, and I want to put that meat into my freezer. Because I threw a piece of cardboard out my window and it knocked the plug in out of the wall and I didn't notice it of my old deep freeze and all my meat defrosted everything, and so I had to throw away probably about there wasn't a lot in there. I would say about twenty five pounds of venison, and it really pissed me off. So I want to fill that freezer up again and get my family back on the deer meat train, especially just the ground stuff that you can add to anything. Right, and then from the buck side of things, man, this might be a year where I eat my tag. Just I got a couple of deer that have shown back up and I've only checked my trail cameras one time. I got a couple of deer that have shown back up and they're nice and they're good, and I might eat a tag for them. So yeah, we we got to talk a little bit about that, um, But before we get to that real quick, what would a success for your elk trip look like? What's your goal for that Colorado trip? Shooting a bowl, shooting a cow, just getting Yeah, I'm shooting the first elk that comes within shooting line range with my bow. Now, if we're if we're in the mix right, we're gonna be going during the rut or during the pre rud, I guess you would say. And if I could get and we're in the mix right and we're starting to hear bogle in and the responding and it's getting crazy like you see on a one of those premost videos, then I'll probably pass one to hopefully get a bowl. But if it's real slow and we're not having the encounters and a and uh a cow gives us the opportunity, I'm gonna I'll probably take a shot at a dough and then meal deer in South Dakota. Like I said, that's such a that's such a brand new thing that just to see a mule, your buck in its natural environment through the spotting scope and maybe take a stock even if I fail, would be such a huge takeaway for me that I would consider that a success just to even get a stock in. Yeah, that would be that'd be pretty cool. Yeah, And we need to take a quick break here to thank our friends at on X and the on X Hunt app is something I'm using a lot this time of year. Here too, specific examples of what I've been doing recently. Number one the mapping feature that allows you to mark an area and actually measure an area like a polygon, create whatever shape you want on the map. It will tell you exactly what the acreages. That's a very handy when you're trying to plan out how much fertilizer seed to use on a food plot. Number two, I've been setting up a bunch of new tree standing, tree settle locations. When I'm marking those on my map as a waypoint. On x now has custom icons. You can choose the waypoint icon to look like a tree stand or ground blind, a trail camra, or all sorts of other things, just to make it that much easier when you look at your map to know exactly what waypoints mean. What very handy tool. Check it out at your mobile app store of choice. We also want to thank our friends at White Tailed Properties and Spencer will take it from here. This week with White Tailed Properties, we are joined by Justin Mason, a land specialist out of Illinois, and Justine is going to be telling us about what are some often overlooked things that buyers forget to communicate with their agents. You know, I think oftentimes buyers overlooked the fact that they're already working with me as an agent. So if they're browsing online and they see a property that they like, they may just kind of impulse and call that other agent, and then they forget to mention that they're working with me as their agents. So they ask all these questions and then call me back and and tell me the news. And I said, well, did you first tell them that you're working with me? Um, just so that you don't step on the other agents toe. So is probably the most common overlook thing that myers, you know, forget to tell me as their agent. If you'd like to learn more and to see the properties that Justin currently has listed for sale, visit white tail Properties dot com. Backslash Mason, that's m A s O N. Now what about your back to Iowa? Back to these bucks? Walked me through these handful of bucks that you think you're willing to pin your whole season on. Yeah. So you know we've talked about the Spencer new hearth Buck right, so he's back this year. I don't know if you necessarily put on a ton of inches, but I think he's going to be a six year old this year. Uh, maybe a five year old. I don't know. But he's got the body, he's got the rack. Right, he's a shooter, and I have an idea where he's cruising through, so he's he's a hit lister. I mean, I just, I just I'm coming off of a year where I just shot my biggest buck. So it's not like I need to shoot. I don't know, I don't want to. I don't want to say I don't want to put any restrictions on the first four year old that comes through is going to get an arrow. That's not gonna happen this year. I'm gonna be more specific in what I'm targeting and and try to go with a set hit list. Now, barring that, nothing gigantic walks through. You know, you know that I don't have any history with or I don't have a nutrail cameer pictures with a big six year old one ninety walks by that you've never seen before, You're not going to turn your nose up on it. Exactly, yeah, exactly exactly. He'll get an arrow sent his way. And you know, I got a couple other deer that are returning customers from last year that are gonna be really good. Hopefully they stick around, and I can. You know, there's a lot of things that are in play this year that weren't in play the year before, and that is this heavy rain in the spring cost some fields to be planted, just like you you were talking about further and some new fields that were in CRP previous years to be taken out of CRP and now they're an egg. So I'm not sure what's going to happen with the deer movement with these new fields in play. So it's gonna be it's gonna be a little bit of a learning curve, right just and I think I'll be able to learn it by putting some trail cameras up in these areas and checking them every once in a while. But I don't know. I feel like I'm on point with this farm now. And like I said, it took me seven years to figure some of this stuff out to where I think I got a shot at a really good deer this year, and if he if he does what he's done the last two years, um, then I probably won't even start hunting until m Man like November five or sixth or something like that. He doesn't the last two years, he hasn't shown up until like the eleven or twelve, and he's stuck around to and then he disappears, and then he comes back pretty much for late season and then he's gone again. So we're talking about Narlie Charlie, right, that's right. So yet Narlie Charlie, it sounds like he's a November type of strike. Uh October, and you only get one You only have one tag in Iowa, only one archer tag. Right, Well, I can get an archery tag and then I can buy a late season tag if I fill my right, I can. I can use them. I can use a bow for a muzzleloader tag. Okay, So well, I guess what I'm trying to understand though, is if you know you want to go for Narlie Charlie in late or mid November, something you probably wouldn't want target spencer or dork or something like that in early October because you don't want to shoot that with your bow and then not be able to hunt Narlie Charlie on the eighth, ninth, tenth, or ever with your bow. Is that right? Right? Right? So that's why A, I'm probably gonna stay out of there. Um, I'll probably do some of those those observation hunts where I am hunting really easy access, hopefully with some kind of visibility into the timber um And you've been on that farm before and there's that huge valley where you can see a long ways if you get into it. So my goal is to, you know, maybe just camp out on one of these easy access points and just watch and then if I see something or my trail cameras tell me something, then I'm going to jump in and go for the kill. Have you considered changing up your normal trail camera locations two more zero in specifically for Gnarly so instead of spreading them out where you usually do, have you thought about focusing all of your stuff in the zones you think he's most likely to be Yep, And that's typically what I do every year, is when I get a really good buck on camera I take some down somewhere else and bring them in to hope, hopefully zero in. But I won't do that until the actual hunting season, gotcha? Okay? Uh So Narlie, Charlie's number one, Spencer's number two probably is dork up there still. Yeah, Man, he's a nine year old this year and he's probably like in the one high one thirties. So what happens if it's like November eight or ninth or ten. You haven't seen Narlie yet, but this nine year old dork Buck comes by that you've seen for six years now, where we've been talking about him since the podcast started. I think, I mean, that's crazy. Well, are you going to have a hard time passing on him? See? I don't know, man, I have these debates. Let me ask let me flip it and ask you that same question. Dude, I don't know. That's really hard because you just came off of the exact same year that I had. You just shot your biggest buck ever, and I definitely come into this year feel just more picky. I don't I don't have I have no pressure. You know, there's some years if you don't kill buck for a year or two you're like, you know what, I just need to get back into I gotta get some momentum again. I gotta you know, I remember a few years ago, we're like, I used to shoot it, shoot up, shoot a four year old, shoot a buck. Have that feeling again. You'll get after it. But then when you have that success, now, it's like, I just want to hunt more. I want to challenge myself more. I want to wait and see what might be out there. And yeah, if I if I don't feel a tag whatever, um, I kind of feel if I if I was in your scenario. And and again we've said this many times. Scorer isn't everything, of course, but sometimes there's nothing wrong with being excited about a deer that's really rare and exciting. And if you want to challenge yourself in that way, I have no problem with that. And I myself sometimes i'm like that. You know, like, there's this buck Frank last year that he was he was obviously mature, but he was also the biggest antler deer I've ever seen before while hunting in Michigan, and that was really exciting and I wanted to try to kill him. Um, So I would probably in your scenario if I knew that Narlie was still alive, Like if I got at least one picture knowing that he was around owned and I thought I was in the game, I would probably not shoot anything else unless like a no brainer, knock your socks off something similar to Narley came, but at least for a while, I'd want at least give it a chance. You know, I'd hate to go out there the first day of my racation. And yeah, I mean, I don't know. It'd be like if holy Field showed up again this year for me and he was like seven years old and a hundred fifteen inches, but I'm also hunting a hundred and sixty inch mega giant again. Um, it would be a huge dilemma. I don't know what I would do. Um. In that case, I might shoot holy Field just because it's been a crazy thing for me. Um. But in your scenario, I I could understand either way, whichever way you end up going, I would get it. But I think I would probably lean just a little bit towards at least give myself a chance to maybe see Gnarly. Um. I just see him on the foot would be amazing. I mean, in the in the same goes for a nine and nine and a half year old buck who has pretty much been not turnal on my farm the entire time that I've known him, Right, So I have a feeling he goes somewhere else during the hunting season because I don't get any pictures of him. I think early October I'll get some pictures of him, But I don't know. There there is a there is a something cool about the rarity of antlers, But at the same time, there's there's also a rarity to a really old buck that makes it through the winters and making his body's huge, and he's just he's like the king ship of the world. And you know what I mean, I don't know. I'd say that's more rare than a than antlers. You know, nine and a half year old buck. I mean you don't you don't see that, Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's like a ghost. I mean, if you haven't been seeing it, like if you're just totally nocturnal. Man, think about that story. If you're able to wrap your tag around nine and a half year old buck that finally slipped up and you were able to capitalize on it, that'd be that'd be awesome. So let me ask you guys this. Then, you know, like this is a podcast we're telling we tell stories. You know, we're storytellers. So what what's a better story? Hey man? I have two years of history, um, with this one buck, and he's got big anglers, and I end up, you know, putting the piece of the puzzle together and I kill him. Or I got six years of experience with this dear. He's nine and a half years old, completely nocturnal. I figure him out and I shot him and killed him. Well, Josh out to me, that's that. To me, it's an easy answer. Um, I would say that nine and a half year old buck that you've got so much history with, regardless of what he scores, I just don't think you're gonna have another opportunity out of nine and a half ye old buck if to do it, maybe a long long time. UM. To me that that would be my answer. So my my answer would be this, It would be I would I would agree with Josh, except for all of your dork stuff has only ever been summer pictures like they're there. There's never been actual hunting encounters or hunting season strategy around him. Like he always disappears. So it's always been like I got a picture of him the summer, and then we don't hear about until the next year. I got a picture dorc again, and then he disappears. If if if it became like a hunting thing, if you've been hunting him and seeing him for nine seasons, and then I'd be like, no brainer, go after Dork. Given that, I would say, you know, six years of summer pictures kind of equals in my mind two years of hunting actual in season, back and forth, back and forth with a mega giant. Probably. And I will also say, if we're looking at story value to us internally, probably all those years. If we're looking at story value to the outside public, we're kidding ourselves. If like, whether we like it or not, just the reality of the world is that huge deer just get people excited. I mean that's just the truth of it. And uh, and you know there's nothing wrong with getting excited about a big deer, and this big deer year after like people will get excited about it. Um, no doubt about that. So I think you've got two great stories, whicheveryone ends up panning out. You're in good shape, So consider yourself lucky for that, right well, you know, and there's still the you know that part of the that part of the state right now is in a drought advisory, So who knows what happens. I mean, I've had deer disappear in the past, you know, never found them. E h d is a thing thing again this year. So it's just I always have these these awesome conversations with everybody, Hey, what are you doing? You know, maybe flat show camp picks, whatever. But the truth of the matter is, I'm not making any decisions up until the day I get into that tree stand and a deer walks by. That's when I make my decision. Right if, in the words of Dan Johnson in the year two thousand and eight, if it makes me go, uh, I'm gonna shoot, that's a fact, Man's I'll always remember that clip. Yeah, and that crazy how far back that goes. We're getting old, dude. Um. So I'll walk through my schedule for you guys. It keeps on getting changed since the last time we talked to all the stand Um. So I'm doing this North Dakota hunt at the beginning of the season. It's August thirty through September seven, so that's a public land hunt. Um. Spencer new Heart is going to join me now for that one, so that should be cool. My goals for that hunt are to kill mature buck. I'll be pumped if we can finally find a mature deer during hunting season and getting there on. I feel like we kinda just didn't have enough time or didn't quite get to figure it out last year when me and Josh were out there. So I want to take another stab. Um. So that's my goal there. I just want to figure it out. Like it's just being like a little bit of a thorn in my side, so I need that whatever that feeling is the fulfillment of answering the question, right, and that's what I need to figure out there. Um. And then I'll come back for a couple of weeks, take care of stuff around the house, be a dad again, and then October one and that whole time will begin a bunch of Michigan hunting for me, hunting a couple of spots in Michigan. Um, and then that mid October hunt that Josh talked, well, I am going to go in one of those field of fork mentor hunts with Josh and mentors new hunters. And then yeah, the third week in October, we're shooting for the Minnesota hunt. UM. I agree with Josh. My goal there is to just see some deer and survive. Um. If we survived the trip find some deer, I will be like, wow, we did great. UM. As far as what I would shoot, I will shoot probably anything that's legal. UM. That's my my goal. From a what I will target on that hunt, I'd be to take any deer out of there. I feel like canoe in you know, ten fifteen, twenty miles or whatever ends up being in that kind of wilderness. I feel like getting in and out of there with a deer would be one heck of an accomplishment. UM. So that's my Minnesota thoughts. UM. And then get back again focusing on Michigan through the rut this year UM. And then Ken Rovan toward Deer Camp. Same thing as Josh looking forward to that. Would love to take a nice buck up there. I will say that my goals as far as Michigan deer this year are a little bit location dependent. In that up there at the deer camp, I would happily shoot a three year old. Like, if there's like a decent little three year old buck, I would shoot that thing in a heartbeat up there. That'd be amazing. Um. While down in southern Michigan and these other spots, I'm becoming much more picky, um, just because I know there's some potential I've been putting in a lot of time and work. I'm I'm just trying to ramp it up to the next level now, especially. I mean, I can't set my standards by Frank because that's unrealistic for most years around here. But I'd be lying if I don't see him in the back of my mind a lot when I'm like, you know, like the just some dear jokes don't have the same jaw dropping effect they used to have. After I've now had a bunch of encounters with a deer like Frank here. Um. So I'm sure I'll be brought back down to reality this season. It's guaranteed to happen. But there's something about that area, though, Mark, that is holding good dear right. It's not a coincidence that holy Field got old, that Dear got old, and so it's not to say that another deer won't get old in that in that neighborhood. I feel like that's an under like your underestimating yourself. That's a good point. It definitely has it had this little spot I've been hunting for it's like eight years a now or something. It's come a long way. It has been cool to see the progress. You know, those first few years I was hunting here, I was lucky to have one three year old to hunt. And then fast forward two years, like five six. Then you know, I saw there was one buck that maybe was four one year, and then the Holy Field years, you had this one buck that kept coming back for three years in a row, made it to five or six. That was that was cool and that you're right, there's there's a couple of properties. I think the act as sanctuaries. And then I do think, um, and I want to pat myself on the back too much here, but I I think it's probably fair to say that the fact that I've been handling the property, I can hunt with like kids gloves like white you know, like white gloves, I think is the term like I'm so careful, trying to be so clean when I hunt it. I think that's probably helped and I've been trying to improve habitat on it as much as I can. I have a lot of good food out there most years now. I think that's helped have more deer hang out of my property. That then I'm the one that gets to make the trigger decision on so instead of all these bucks being all over the place and getting shot by everyone, a disproportionate number hang out in my food sources where I'm passing of them. So I do think that probably has helped. Um. So you're right. I think there's a good chance that could be a four year old again, and I hope that Buck is going to be tran. He was the three year old last year that I saw a lot I did. Um. I've been starting to put together a little spreadsheet on him and I have I think the numbers fifteen different days during the hunting season last year. I have either a daylight photos of him or daylight actual visual encounters of him. So of the three months season, so ninety days he was moving fifteen days in daylight that I can confirm. That's pretty good for Michigan buck. Um. So I think he's pretty killable if he if he comes back. I have not gotten a confirmed trial camera picture of him yet. Um but my summer troal camera pictures around here are usually pretty lousy anyway, so I'm not putting too much too much into that. Um but yeah, definitely a four year old or older. I did. I have been getting some some scouting intel. There's a pretty darn nice ten pointer I've been seeing here recently, saw three days in a row last week, some across the road from the main property. I can hunt a couple of days actually on the property. I can hunt, and he he's either a really nice three year old or like it's a good solid four year old. I don't know yet, so hard to tell him, like when they're standing chest high and soybeans and stuff. Um, but if he's a four year old hill bear, no brainer. Um, he's probably gonna be mid on a mid one thirties. If I'm trying to be conservative with it, you could, you know, he twisted my arm and I'm really excited. I would say he's high one thirties. But in reality, once the albot comes off, he's probably a little smaller. But he's like a really nice Michigan buck any other year. I mean, if I look back over all the years I've hunted this property, Frank was obviously the biggest. This buck would probably the second largest deer that I've had. Well, there's there was one other mega giant that showed up a couple of times in the summer, really early, but consistently. If this buck sticks around, he'll be the second biggest deer probably is that that's been here. If he becomes a huntable buck, So so that's pretty cool. How far is he how can you can you answer that? Or from here? From that property? How far is you can that property to make him unable? Oh? Well, twice I've seen him on the property I can hunt, and then once I saw him just across the road from it. So very huntable. Um, if he you know, if his summer range is the same as fault, if he stays around, he seems like and I've got a bunch of pictures of him too, So he's been very much on the proper day hunt so far this summer. So figures crossed. That could be a good situation. Um, But yeah, that you don't have any You don't have any pictures of him. You haven't pulled cards since you've seen him yet, have you? I do have pictures of him. Yep, yep. I went and looked back that original nice buck that I posted pictures of right when I got back from Montana. That was him. He just had him. He just hadn't grown much time length it when I had that picture. Um. And then I have multiple pictures of him like profile view walking. I don't have any really good like head on pictures of him, um, but multiple profile shots as he walks to the side, you know. So it'll be interesting to see what those dear do UM on that main piece you can hunt now that it's like planet and two different things. I think you said, that's the first time that's happened since you've been there. Yeah, since you've been hunting. It will be interesting to see how that has a has an effect on which dear stay, which dear leaves. Um. Maybe you'll hold more dear. It'll be interesting to see. Okay, we need to take another quick break here to thank our friends at Morton Buildings, who are the builders of wood frame steel side of buildings. If you need more space for your dear mounts, like my wife is saying to me, or if you need someone to store your tractor or want a building on a new deer hunting property to put some bunks in, or an a TV or a skinny check Morton Buildings should be when the first options to check out. I'm super intrigued. I keep on waiting to put one of these up somewhere someday that as the hope. And I've been learning more about they have to offer by visiting Morton Buildings dot com, and I suggest you do the same. And while we're at it, I also want to thank Vortex Optics. And it's that time of year that I'm out there watching bucks in the crop fields, and I would say that a good spotting scope can make all the difference and how enjoyable that kind of evening activity is. I personally have been rocking the Vortex Viper HD scope most often, and I'm using a phone scope attachment so i can attach my phone to that scope and then I can photograph and video deer with my iPhone. Really easily turns out great. I love it. You also get to see the screen, you know, instead of looking through the I piece, which is great. But you can now also attach your phone, which is super handy. And the Vortex Viper HD gets me a nice crisp, clear image and really reaches out there and touches these deer. So if you're hoping to do something similar over these final weeks leading up to the season, I'd encourage you to check out what Vortex has to offer as far as their spotting scopes, and you can find that at Vortex Optics dot com. Yeah. I don't think I told you that, Dan, But the main farm now is is usually it's always just one type of crops either corner beans and it's rotade every year. But this year, because of how wet it was early, they planted corn on one side of the farm, but they didn't plant the north side of the farm until late in the summer or late in the spring, and that's beans. So for the first time I've got both major crops on the farm. Well that's gonna help, I think. Yeah, I'm kind of excited to see what that does for things. So so, yeah, I mean this new buck, we've been kind of calling him risky business, is what my buddy, well, you know, you know, Corey. Corey dubbed him risky business because if he's a three year old, he's like, it's very risky for him to come close to me because of how impressive he looks. Um, but I'm still on the fence. If he's a three year old, would I take that buck? I don't know, because he'd be, like I said, the second biggest y I've ever been on a hunt here. But he's not. If he's not a four year old, that makes him it's a tough decision for me. I don't know. I just kind of to feel that one out. Um, So r B is definitely one on paying attention to. And then I think Trans gonna show back up. But if Trans shows back up, he'll be a stud I think. So I'm I'm excited to see that. Um, what you should do is and I'm I'm doing this in quotations, and one's a regular quotations and one looks like a comma but finger quotes that. Oh yeah, I see, I get it now, Okay, I should apostrophe yeah anyway, but anyway, yeah, idiot, but you should accidentally take a lawnmower and run over some of those beans, knock them down, or or do it legally and not accidentally run over him. But asked the farmer to see if he can keep some of them up. That would be nice. Pay him, pay him like you know, paying for However, many bushels come out of an acre and they say, hey, maybe we leave an acre beans up, or you know, a half acre or something like that. It would be awesome to have an acre standing beans. I mean that that pull them in, no doubt about that. I'm always amazed though here how much they they they hammer the bean fields even after they're they're harvested for a long time. There must be a lot of waste screen. This farmer's combine must miss a lot because they stay on those picked fields for much longer than I've seen in many other places. So it's always it seems to be. I get a lot of good food source actions still well into late season, so we'll see. It's gonna be interesting hunting, like you know, kind of similar to you on your main farm. I've been hunting this main farm now for eight years or something like that, so I have a lot of experience with it. I didn't have to do a lot of new work on it. I just check the straps on my existing stands. I prepped one new location. UM, I gotta finalize my food plots. I'm still dealing with that. UM. But I know kind of what's happening. I'll hunt my main spots until I see different behavior, and if I see different behavior, I'll just run and gun hang a saddle somewhere new. Um, But I don't need to reinvent the whealel. I don't think I've got a pretty good handle on what's happening. So I do have a new farm I'm hunting this year on that Joshua hunt. A couple of times. We've probably been doing some work out there recently, and and that will be a brand new one and that will be some new a lot of a lot of learning to do there, So I don't know what to expect if if you know, I still haven't gotten any trout camera pictures of the mature buck out there, so I don't know what's there, but I gotta believe there would be something eventually. So that's like a big TB D. I don't have a whole lot of exciting stuff to share, but but hopefully by the time season comes around, that will be like my second really good kind of local spot and we'll have something to talk about there at that point. But question marks otherwise, and I guess the one other the one other hunt. I told you last time we talked about our schedule that I was going to try to do this New York hunt and do like a big woods tracking a deer in the snow. That one fell through, but it's been replaced with a late season muzzleloader hunt in Nebraska with a bunch of the Mediator crew. So I'm gonna tryt some public land, um late in the year out there and see what that's like. So that would be a wild card. I have no expectations. I don't know what that will be like, but um, that would be a fun time to get out there and explore a different landscape again. So that's it. And it's paid for by the company. That is a it's it's nice to be able to have my hunting be work as well. So that's what my season looks like. It's it's it's gonna be a busy one. And did we talk about this on the podcast yet? Did I tell you this? Dan? I don't know if I did tell you this. This is what I've got a second child in the way. Did I tell you that? I didn't know that until right now. Yes, It's I'm so like lost on like who knows and what Yeah, we got another one on the way, so that makes him a little interesting. Get that a stack to me, buddy, I know, yea, yeah, this is the end for us, so good. Well, first off, congratulations, thanks, thank you. Yeah, number two is a little scary though everything you told me. All right, now, how old your how old your boy? Right now? He's a little over a year and a half now, a little over a year and a half. Okay, cool, So he's really close to my uh my son. So let's see. Do you know if it's a boy or a girl yet? We do not know yet? Do not you know? Are you gonna find out? We are going to find out. We'll get to find out in September. Cool. Well, congratulations, and yeah I don't have three, I guess. I mean, I don't know what else to say. Any any any advice for having a toddler and a pregnant wife at the same time. How should I deal with that during hunting season? Anything? I need to be a little more careful about. Man, You get out of the house, that's how you deal. Just get out, leave for a week in Minnesota with no service and Nebraska. Yeah, my wife's uh, it's it's should be the exact same due date that ever was so early February early February. Were you planning for this? I mean, given your respective career, were you planning to have a baby after January? We definitely, we weren't planning everyone yet. We were thinking like a little bit later, we would try, like a few like handful months later, maybe we'd start, you know, trying to make that happen. Um, say, were you about to say, start exploring, experimenting, but maybe that try because this time, you know, we're gonna explore each other's bodies. This time, I was trying to avoid this conversation. Uh so, yeah, we're we we definitely do try to keep hunting season in mind. Um, so we wanted to avoid hunting season. But it was a little bit of a surprise, but but certainly not so outside of the real and possibility that it was totally shocking. So yeah, we're excited. But of course it brings all sorts of new things to mind, and and that will probably change my hunting season a little bit. If if you know, if the pregnancies more of a struggle for her, if she's not feeling well or whatever, that I might need to cut back on some stuff and be around more. But um, yeah, this will be the last time season with just one, so I gotta take advantage of it. I supposed to. I've got one final thing I want to cover with everyone because I feel we've covered our plans, We've covered our big goals. Um, you know my big goal was mature buck in North Dakota, survive Minnesota. I think I can kill two mature bucks in Michigan between the three different farms I talked about, and then Nebraska. Just have a good time. Um, no expectations there. UM. I want us each to think of a challenge for one of the other two here, so you can we could either give a challenge to each person or if we just want to each pick someone and give them a chance. We've done this in the past year's Dan, We're gonna give one piece of advice or one thing we want the other guy to do this coming season or in the coming weeks leading up to this season. So we've got just something to push us a little harder. So I've got a couple. I've got one for each of you. Um, and then I'll give you guy, it is time to think of yours. So for Josh, my challenge for you is to we kind of have already touched on this, but I still want to lock down one good piece of private land that you can hunt without having to ask someone else if you can do it. So, if that's this one piece that you've already been talking about, if you've got a position now that you can hunted on your own and you're in good place, just lock that down. My challenge for you is to get that locked and to get it prepped so that you can be out there in early November whenever you find the time and you can get that buck. So that's my personal challenge to you. I really want to see you kill a good one in Michigan this year. I like that. I think that's a good one because that would be the challenge I would have given myself. Maybe it's too easy. My challenge for Dan, because of some of the struggle not struggles, but challenges that both you and I have had over the years, and we've talked about it, my challenge to you is to try to find time to continue your bow practice in season, so make sure that the season doesn't hit and then you just are running around and you don't shoot your bow anymore. We gotta we both need to have some killer shots on deer this year, I think, and I think for both of us to do that, we gotta keep keep up our good habits or working on Now. We got to keep that all the way through the season so we don't all of a sudden have a month that passes by during the season we haven't been shooting her bow. So that's my personal challenge to you. Um, those are my two. Do either one of you have an idea that you want to share for any of us. I will say something to Josh, And this is in all seriousness, by the way, It's not meant to be a joke. But you only have one kid, and I heard you. I heard you already talking about man, I gotta make sure I get home and and be there for my wife when she needs me and family. How old your kid now? Just a couple of months? Six weeks old? Okay, six weeks right, so that is probably the easiest age to take care of a child. Yeah, right, do like this is this is and I know it's stressful time a year, you know you're you're just new parents, but one kid is easier to take is easier to watch than two kids. Two kids are easier to watch than three kids. A baby is easier to watch than a toddler. A toddler. A toddler is easier to watch them. And then you get into activities and you're hunting. Is time as you get older with your family is actually going to shrink. So my challenge to you is, although you do have a kid, take advantage of this time to still continue to hunt and make sure you put in time for hunting to I mean, it's your passion, right, Like I said, I think it, I think it will. I think I'm confident that like we'll kind of figure it out right, we'll settle into like a good, um, a good routine with him, and I think I'll have more time than maybe what I'm thinking I will right now. Um, So that's that's what I'm hoping for anyway. Um So, no, I think that's that's some great points there. Yeah. And then for Mark Man, I don't I don't know. I'm just I wish I could hunt as much as you. I don't know. I don't necessarily have a challenge for you other than I know there's times on some of your farms where I you play on the side of caution. And I almost feel like there's a time, especially a year, where you're coming off killing an absolute stud animal, to to try and be aggressive. And maybe I'm wrong and an aggressive move doesn't work, but maybe I'm right in an aggressive move maybe early in the season or um, when a deer pops up and you take a slow step first before you take the fast step, take the fast step first, and see what happens. I like it. I definitely. I feel like every year that's something that I liked that I have in the back of my mind too, is I'm getting more and more comfortable with being a little more aggressive. So I think that's a good challenge. Thank you for that, Dan, Josh you anything, Yeah, yeah, I'm still thinking of one for Dan here, but I got one for you. And we've talked a little bit about it before, probably on air and off air, but just to just to make sure you're you're you're enjoying it right, like not stressing yourself out too much about um what you need to be doing and and um, just making sure you remember what it's all about and uh have a good time. UM. That would be my my one challenge, and I think you've you've come along way with that. I think probably um, having ever written, having a year that you had last year kind of helped put things in perspective. But I just I worry about you when you get stressed out about stuff. So just keep keep that all in perspective and what getting to do? Um and Dan Man, I don't I don't know. UM, I think maybe along your lines of stuff, being aggressive. I know you're gonna be on a couple of out of state hunts that are probably going to be what just a week in time, and just making sure you stay aggressive. I think that was one of my mistakes in North Dakota last year, was not being aggressive enough. Um. So yeah, just just stay after him, getting tight on him if you can. And and uh, you only got a week, can't screw it up too bad. So that's right, that's right. And it's public land, so it's almost like it's meant to be screwed, screwed exactly. True. I've got one more actually for all three of us, and it kind of ties into situations that we're all in for different reasons. Um. You know, Dan, you and I have had at times occasional struggles with rushing our shots and stuff. Josh, you haven't necessarily had that problem, but you know you're still you know, I haven't hunt you haven't killed two billion deer yet. Um So, I think all three of us a good thing to do would be to try to kill more deer in general, like kill more does this year, just because we had this conversation with Mark Drew the other day and that there's nothing that prepares you to handle the moment of truth better than just being in it often, being in that moment often and dealing with it. And so for me, dealing with these different variations of target panic over the last couple of years and trying to just lock down a better shot process. Um I switched this back tension release that we've been talking about, and for me, a personal goal is to is to shoot more deer with my bow using that back tension release, just to have like a newfound, rock solid confidence in that thing. Um So, personally, I want to target does earlier than usual, early and often, and go into the rut like feeling like ice cold gonna make it happen no matter what, because I've already yeah, because I've already put three doughs in the ground or whatever it is, and I've had perfect shots, like I want perfect shots this year. I don't want to have a shot that's like when I was a little back or I was a little high, but I got him. Um. I've had too many shots like that over the years that they got the job done. I've been very fortunate only wound one dear I didn't find right away. Um, but I don't want to have as well it was Okay, I want perfect shots this year. That's my big goal for myself. Um. Some I'm working hard trying to make it happen. And um, we'll see if it comes together. But that's what I'm trying to push myself to do. So with that, I think we've covered a lot of ground. Um, I'm good to wrap it up. A few guys there, I gotta go fishing, so yeah, let's wrap it up. Nice. Got your living the dream now? Man, that's all right. You should have seen my week this week. I deserve to go fishing, all right, You deserve to go fishing. Three kids doesn't sound so bad, seriously, all right, guys, Well, thank you Dan, thank you Josh, and uh, before you know it, a few more weeks when we be out there with the bows and arrows, so oh, let's get after it and that will do it. Another episode is on the shelf. Hopefully guys enjoyed this fun one bs and a little bit and uh setting things up for the upcoming season. As you know, we'd like to have these in depth interviews with different experts across the country. But then I also think it's important that we share our own personal stories so you can kind of see how we're trying to implement the different ideas that we're learning from all these guests throughout the year. So now you know kind of what we're shooting for, what we're trying for, what's up to come in the coming weeks and months, and hopefully you'll follow along, hopefully you have some some exciting trips and hunts of your own, and hopefully laid out some goals you can be working towards. And Uh. In the meantime, I just want to thank you for spending this time with us, thanks for laughing along, for following along with our journey, and when we chat to you next, I hope you'll stay wired to hunt