00:00:00 Speaker 1: Oh Hey, Hunting Collective. Back at You, Episode number seventy seven. We are in September. Officially it is time for ELK season here, White Tail seasons and other places, but we've chosen to focus on the WAPD today on episode. In the intro to the podcast, we gave a chance for Cameron Haines and Sam Soholt to inspire us to hype us up for ELK season as it is here, and then Randy Newberg came in and interrupted us, and we got a great interview with Randy about ELK, about hunting, about life, about kids, about it, just about everything. As Randy is one of my favorite people in the world. And when you leave a conversation with Randy Newburgh, you feel just a little bit inspired to go and do things like Randy. Uh love Randy. But before we get to that, we're gonna get the Federal Premium. It is again almost time to get your rifles out, almost time to get your shotguns out. 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They have a thousand things inside of my head I wish I ain't seen, and now I just wanted through a real bad dream of being in like I'm coming a part of the scenes, but thank you Jack Daniels. Hey, everybody, welcome to episode seventy seven of the Hunting Collective. I'm Ben O'Brien and I am excited. I'm hyped up. Phil. Do you feel the electricity in the studio right now? Oh? Yeah, I can definitely feel something. You're feeling it. You're feeling it? Yeah, Why are you excited? ELK Season? Whoa whoa whoa ELK season? Baby? This is We're four days away from ELK season here in Montana and ELK seems will be kicking off across the country and the purpose of this show to day is to hype you up for ELK season. We're gonna talk all things ELK and we're gonna do first We're not even gonna get into anything else. We're gonna do a little round the horn. We're gonna call our favorite alcuners from around the world, well really around the country, and we're gonna ask him. We're gonna ask him to help us hype each other up, where are they hunting, what are they doing, and then hype us up for this. So we're gonna call him right now. The first person we're gonna call is one Cameron Haynes, and I'm We're just gonna dial them and you're gonna hear the whole process as Rawle could be. So here, we're gonna gonna dial Cam right now. He's in Oregon, probably just got done running, probably just got done lifting and shooting his son. True, it was just to hear yesterday at the Meat Eater studio. It's ringing. See what cams up to. He's probably just right now thinking about Elk sitting around his house. Are you've never met him? And it's how you feel? Hopefully answers. Otherwise this is all ruined. I think this is still good. Hey Cam, what's up? Man? Now we're on the air at that the Old Honey Collective and we're, um, we're talking about Elkan out. We figured we would call you and just see, uh how hyped you are for the season upcoming season? Oh, I mean pretty high. You know, if I have time, I'm going to get out. You keep things pretty calm over there, I know, I know. Yeah yeah, yeah, No, I've got a lot I mean, you know, the daters need to be cleaned out before it starts raining, and I got a lot of dogs work to get done, so the last time I'll get out. Yeah, yeah, you're you're pretty like a pretty casual al Connor I find you get out when you can. Yeah, I'm I'm it's killing me today because I'm actually out work and drives me Inshane the other during that season, but I didn't be gone. I go back to back to back Colorado, Arizona and Utah, um three amazing outcomes. So I'm just gonna, you know, putting in the time. He's long for a for a long duration. That would be next week. So yeah, I'm you know, that's what I lived for. Joking aside, absolutely and and your son. True, it was just through here in the keep hammering we call that to keep hammering truck. I mean that thing is badass. Yeah, yeah, it's cool. It's I know. I was glad he's able to swing by yesterday from Baltimore, Origon. I convinced him was a good opportunity for him to see the country. And uh, I think that that seemed like a good plan for probably an hour or two um, and then it got He told me that driving that he tried to run do a twenty four hour running. He wanted to get a hundred miles done earlier this summer, and he didn't get that. He got nine miles done. But he said that that, but driving across country as farther than running a hundred miles, I think it's a that's a woman done. But he was able to spend by and talk to you and Steve and and uh get there to media the and um so that was cool. I was happy for that. That's awesome. And you guys are gonna hunt out of that truck all season then give it away. He was telling me, Yeah, yep, we're gonna somehow. I don't know how we're gonna do it. If you know, the government can figure out to screw up anything, but we want to give it away after I use it for help, you can get some exposure for the UM Army Ranger Fund, and then give them all the money. And what we don't want to do is whoever wins the truck, we don't want them to have to pay taxes on the value of it. It's kind of like a pay um. And so if I say the trucks for its futy thousand and have to pay ten thousand dollars in taxes because it's like considered income. So we're trying to figure earlier in that. But at the end of the day, we're gonna give fifty dollars to leave the way fine to help falling, um the families of falling rangers, and uh, something's gonna get a cool truck and I mean some help. But I'm ready, I'm ready. More high we got. We got roughly four days or so until it starts here and Old Montana. Do you have do you have one thing? Like, You've had a lot of success last year, you I think probably had your best elk here. Ever, would you say, I mean you killed some some some giant bulls. Do you have one thing that you think? Yeah, I mean I think you've gotten better as you've you've done this. I think you can agree with that, Like, you have one thing that you would tell people that is just the key to success, even if they have one elk hunt a year. Like, what's the thing? I know this is a hard question. What's the thing? You can boil it down to three. It's uh, it's simple as time. Um, it's time. As Alan's best friend, you just have to be out there. You have to give yourself opportunity. It's uh, it's really easy to fail about I mean it's it's nine of the guys fail every year. When we're talking archery and killing bows with the bow. So if you don't want to be in that, you want to be on a ten percent side of success. Generally that takes time. It's it's there is a seldom story about the guys just got into camp rocked out first day until the pool. I mean, it happens, and when it does, it's like, it doesn't feel fair to the guys that have it's just been grinding all the season, getting ready and putting in a week's sort of work. And then you hear these stories and you're like, you know, how is that right or even fair? But that's you know, life first out way. But generally, the more time you have, Like when I was first started, I would give myself in the world in infer an argument at least ten days, and I'd be like, if I can get ten opportunities on one of them, I'm probably gonna get it done. Run out of ten and I'll get it done. But if you're only giving yourself a handful of days and you might hear one opportunity, it's really easy for that opportunity there. Who knows any wind change, screw up a shot, hit a branch, whatever child sees you so you have to get past that. And to me, it's time and this is this is a kind of a long run to answer, but you know a big part of what I do is a lift and shoot you ready every day. Um, But the how the basis of that and the key to my successes. I've been in the mountains a lot for over the past thirty five years and two new hunters. Um, just having time in the mountains and just just learning animals and learning behavior and the way you can get away with and what you can't get away with and when you should push it, when you should pack off, and all the that's just experience and that's you know, another word for experience of time out there. And so to me, that's the biggest thing. You've got to be in the mountains. You have to accruise some experience. You have to know the animal in the country you're hunting, and then you have to have your bone hand and got there as long as possibility and the hunt during the hunt to overcome those challenges and time success. Yeah, there's there's nothing better. I mean, you're you're definitely inspirationed a lot of people. Um, I was gonna say, like we could end this with like an inspirational like call for the hype of elk season. But I feel like you just gave it to us right there, man, Like, just get out there and spend the time and be devoted to this thing if you love it so much. And that goes for really anything in life, but especially all kind it is it's like, it's we are so lucky to be able to do this, to be able to uh you know, I don't know. I mean just you know, we can work hard all year, we can dream about something and then this is the time of year or we can actually pursue that dream, and and it's I mean, it's something that not everybody has a chance to do or even understands, you know. And I see people all the time that are later in life and they're like, I want to be a hunter. I want to I don't know, allow to start. And so to the guys that have grown up doing that, it's just like I sometimes think we take it for granted, and we take for granted how special you know this. We all have a limited time on earth, so we've been out there this living life that is fullest in the mounds, pursuing an animal with it with the bone arrow And that's to me, that's a tinnical of life. It's it's as good as it gets and as pure and honest as it gets. And we really need to appreciate that. And so I tried it when I'm out there now. I mean I used to playbody take everything granted. I'm gonna have all this from my whole life, and you know, if you don't do this, you're in and this is that. But now I'm like, God, how lucky are we to be a Hunter's And so that's that's what I mean. I try to think about that. I try to be a little more um, I don't know, just just maturing my approach now and and just know that and this is it. There is time to be alive and in the mountains we're gonna end it on that lets you get back to work. All I wanted was a little bit of hyper Alex season, dude, and you delivered that. And then some thanks camping. Good luck to season brother, Hey, thanks for entertaining my son yesterday. Good luck all right, brother, Thanks good luck to you see us soon. Cam Haynes in an inspiration Phil, Yeah, that was that was wonderful. He seemed to have a lot to He seemed hyped. He was hyped. He was hyped for ELK season. You wanna like we should do some push ups or maybe like, uh huh, I think so. Yeah, I see that look in your eye. You get that wild look in your eye, peel, Yeah, it's not there at all. All right, We're got another phone call. Who's next on the list of of ELK hype season phone calls none other than Remy Warren, one of my favorite humans. We're gonna call him up right now. We're not going to give his number away, he would all be calling him the host as a matter of fact of cutting the distance, the wonderful podcast that has a lot of ELK tips. We're giving him a call right now, Remy Warren. I think Remy's out right now scouting for ELK is a matter of fact. This is going to be We're calling in live live so live with Montana House Outters. I'm available right now. But remember in detailed, Hey Remy, Ben and Brian uh Hunting Collective and then Phil say hey Phil, hey, Remy, how's it going? You know us, We're just calling to check in make sure ex season's going well and We're looking for a little hype from you, so give us a call back at this number. Wow, inspirational. That was That was now now I do want to do some push up. That was unbelievable and you don't. Now, you guys all know what Remy's Remy's voicemail sounds like. So for all of you down there, always telling you, just said go again. He texts me to go again. Okay, he accidentally hung up on us. Let's want to call him again. See if that works. Going back, go back to the phoney. Okay, we left you Phil and I left you a message chatting you for not answering while we're on live on the podcast. Oh are you really alive? Yeah, so don't say anything. Don't get too crazy. Okay, what are you doing right now? Um? I am getting a pressure washer. Whoa, whoa, Yeah, that's that's exactly that's exciting. Are you out? Are you been out elk scouting? Uh? Yes, I have. Well no, I'm been an analyouney mostly, but I mean simultaneously, I see you know, I just that's up stotting. You shot a good goat in Idaho, you told me yep. Well, we're doing a very quick round table. We're just calling a bunch of people and getting hype for ELK seasons. I'm looking for your best, uh like, your best way to get people pumped up for ELK season. What you got anything for us? The best way to get people pumped up? Yeah, just like give him, like give him a rallying cry, something that that will get them gone. Um, but I mean you should, you should. I feel like ELX season self pumping. You need me, if you need me to pump you up for ELK season, you shouldn't be Elk cunning. That's that's my pump up. Get it together, Yeah exactly. Um No, I mean I think that I've heard some bugles. You know, the Elk are being active already. It's kind of a later opening weekend, so it actually will be a better opener for Montana at least then. Um then you know some years, because some years it's it's always that first Saturday in September. Um, if you're in Montana, you're waiting patiently, but should be should be good good season opener? Yeah good. Well we'll leave you. We'll leave you with that. If you feel like you've covered, if you've really excited people for elk. We'll leave you. That's that's okay, alright, No, I mean I don't know. I'm I was confused. All right, Well, we gave you a shot, and I feel like you really Yes, it's like self awareness. Get your ship together people, that's it. Yeah, yeah exactly. I mean what else? I don't know? I mean, I'm I feel like I get pretty excited about l kind of I don't really need pumping up. Yeah, all right, we'll get back to it. We'll call you later. All right. It's thoroughly annoyed that I feel that was a different kind of inspiration than the stuff we got from from Cam Cam. Yeah, as a follow up, but I'd say just as valuable, just as value. Why do you need my what do you even listen to this podcast for? Turn it off now and go do something been productive? Yeah, yeah, this is certainly not productive. Yeah, well we got we got both ends of the spectrum there, that's true. And now we're gonna we're gonna call um my good friends Sam Sohol the bus guy. Now he's also diehard ELK hunter and be killing a lot of ELK lately, so we're gonna give him a call. Let's see what he has to say. All right, there's sam Sohol the bus guy. Now he's become the bus guy over the last few years. Prior to that, he was just a guy just to get Samuel. What's up? You're you. I just want to tell you that you're live on the air for The Hunting Collective. So don't say anything crazy, Okay, Okay, I won't keep it PC here on this show. We liked it. We rarely ever say words like ship or fuck. It's rare, but it does happen. If it does happen, it's a mistake. When it happens. We all know these kinds of things happen. So I just want you to know that you're live on the air. Okay. The reason I'm calling you, it's a very simple reason is that we're hyping every buddy out for ELX season. We just talked to Cam Haynes. He said all kinds of inspirational ship that gets me like, I'm a little bit I'm shaking right now. I'm so excited. So I need you follow Tom Haynes. I don't know that's everybody's problem, everybody on the internet's problem. Uh, you like, tell us where you're going now for elk hunting Colorado. First. Yeah, so I'm in Colorado currently. My brother lives here in Port Collins, So we're just kind of doing the last minute touches packing up, and then we'll go hike in Nice. Nice. Now you have you have a whole fall of hunts. But that is that your big elk hunt. The other one's coming up I've got yeah, so archerio hunt here in Colorado, and then I'm actually doing a rifle elk hunt for the first time in Montana. Nice. Yeah, which I'm super pumped about. Thanks for the invite. Yeah. Well, hey, you're more than welcome to come. I'm going it's I'm doing the hunt for Army s going hunting on a brand new piece of public that just opened up. Oh nice, man, Well it's public. So I'll just run into you there. You just tell where it is, I'll send you, I'll send your pen I'll see you there, and I'll just be like, oh cool, we're hunting together. Now you shouldn't told me, should drop me away point. So what's your like do you have you like we're trying to get people hyped, do you have like describe why l hunting is like a thing special to you. Why it is different, why people should be excited, I think, I mean, for me, I think the thing about l hunting is it's I mean, I know it's not the earliest hunt that you can do in the year, but it's kind of the way to kick off, like really like the Western big game season. I mean, obviously there's animal seasons that open, but elk is like it's the first real time you get to go back into the high country and you're chasing an eight hundred town antler clad you know, forest horse. Um, it's just when you when you have something that close, that that that's that big, like it just it moves something in your soul. I don't know how else to that's the best time. It's the best time of the year to be in the mountains. How would you describe an elk if someone like an alien had just landed and you and saw an elk and you were there and you're like, let me try to describe this thing. Uh. Let's see, four legged, furry creature standing about five ft tall, weighing roughly eight hundred pounds, with bone growing out of its head um so it can spear other animals of the same category. Nice. I don't know, like I it's kind of like a horse with horns, but that you know, and then they'd be like a horse, right, Yeah, yeah, four legged, magical creature that makes all kinds of random sounds. Yeah, it's like it's just, you know, a real pretty critter that runs around and makes really cool noises. We chase him, we shoot him, and we eat them. Yes, we do. What Tom tell us, like, tell us your craziest elk story before we let you go. M my craziest helk story. Yeah, just just give us a wild one. Yeah. So two years ago I didn't even kill the elk. But two years ago I was in the woods hunting with my buddy Andrew Whitney, and we were it hads. We we hiked in a snowstorm. The first day we hunted, nothing happened. Next morning it was like just super cold, like completely calm and crisp, and we were cresting this ridge and I'm pretty sure a bull's hurt as cresting ridge and thinking it was another elk, he rips off a bugle like two hundred yards and so, uh, Whitney bugles back, and then another bull bugles down the mountain and the first bull and the second bull start bugling back and forth to each other, and you can tell they're literally sprinkling at each other. Um. And they run in and we can't see him at this point, but they we hear him start fighting. So Whitney and I spent down the mountain probably two hundred and fifty yards and run within forty of these two two bulls that are just fighting like hard and uh, pushing each of the back and forth and running and just like basically style like locking horns and then stopping because they're breathing so hard. And then uh, finally one of them pushed the other bull off, and then Whitney drew back and shot the winner of the fight, and you know, kind of ended up being the loser of the fight. Um, but yeah, shot the bull and that was done. Time in hail Witz, who's watching two really good bulls. Uh, just duke it out, all right? Well, get hyped? What's your You want to just yell at us, like, scream at us a little bit and get us hyped. I mean I sure can. I mean it's out seasoned people. Get out there and they'll kill one. Thanks man, Steve Roello just came in, whisper Brandy Newberg. Randy Newberg's here. Oh, tell Randy high for me. No, you're not late. We're already recording rain. Sit on downy, Brandy's here, and um we're talking to Sam. Sohold on the phone, getting this hype. Can we put this on speak here Phil so you can hear it. Yeah, I'm gonna have to. Um, We're actually gonna take a slight break so I can record Randy's channel because it's not recording right now. Damn it. Bill. All right, Sam, Well, thanks for getting this, Thanks for extending some hype. We appreciate. Yeah. Well, thanks guys. Tell Randy high for me and good luck this week later day. Yeah, but I guess I grew up on an older row. Hey Randy, what's up? Oh man? Not a whole lot other than the fact that I'm I have a break right now from two weeks in Nevada. You see all this. I'm normally pale, confed, bronze. Yeah, yeah, I'm rather bronze thanks to the ninety degree tempts at two weeks in Nevada. So I'm home for a week and then it's launched. The launched the rocket Yeah, I'm glad I caught you. Yea. When I text you, I'm like, there's no way, it's impossible that he's gonna be I was like, he's gonna be like, f no, man, I'm out somewhere else. Actually, uh, it's a good break because what happens in my cp A life. The world knows that I'm in town for these four days, and everybody wants a piece of my my time. Well, thanks for coming to the old Mediator studio. You are this is the first time you've seen it. What are your your thoughts? Always have guests like kind of describe their surroundings, so go for this is the kind of this. The color of the acoustic curtains reminds me of nineteen seventies in my my trailer house I grew up in. It's kind of this butter scotch, like a dirty butter scotch. But the acoustic artwork is top notch. I'm really impressed to that. Yeah, we had other folks described like the forced perspective is appealing or not appealing to Well, I really don't want my crew to come here and see what how you guys are set up, because we've got nine of us stacked on top each other. We're like a lab rat facility and we don't have all this acoustic stuff. So well, yeah, by Marcus is like my neighbor. I hear that. I heard like down the street. I'm just like a guy that my next rime. Do you know the guy works with Handy Newberg like market. Yeah, he lives right there. It's like, oh cool man. When I picked him up further Nevada trip, He's like, yeah, Ben lambs right there. Well, I guess if ever you need anything, go over to Ben the door. Yeah, I told him. He keys in my garage. Man, the same drawings and getting there and get the ripping. That's good. Well, and Phil, it's you know, Phil gets a lot of credit for for this studio, don't you, Phil. Yeah, I mean I pretty much. I mean before I came in, it was still the headset, Mike's very small table, no artwork. I can't take credit for the artwork, unfortunately, but I can't take credit for the table and the mics and the board and all the new stuff. Yeah. Thanks Phil. Oh, you're welcome. You stay. We're gonna give Phil a raise after this. I was gonna say, you know, the guy he needs a raise. I don't know what he makes, but I just walk around and give people a raise anyway. You know, I'm no longer a s Yeah, I'm no longer an owner at the c P A firm. I sold my partnership interest a few years back. In I waka in there, and if one of the employees does something good for me, I'm like, hey, you get a raise, And the partners are like, you can't do that. I'm like, well, I just did. I just I'm leaving. I'm coming. Yeah. So your Nevada hunt, you said it went well and not so well and something yeah we did the first week was archery meal there, and anyone who's hunted archery meal there in Nevada knows it's it's not easy. I'm archery meal here. It's just in general not easy. And then Nevada's big, wild, nasty country. And then you add the tamps in the nineties and lack of water, and you really have to plan the logistics of Okay, if I went in here and did an overnight or a backpack, where am I going to get water for me and the crew? And so, uh, we had some close encounters. No one released an arrow. But that's it just seems that Nevada meal there that has our number. I was just gonna say, but that's just spot stalk meal deer in general, especially this time of year. Yeah, I kind of you kind of feel like you might be better off find a water hole and set up setting up a blind, you would, And I admire people who can do that, But I don't have the mental makeup to sit water. I try it once in a while, and I'm just think you would be a poor white tail on it. I would, I would be. I'm just I don't know. I'm not wired that way. So, and then the week after that, we had a friend of ours who he's done five deployments in his twenty years in the Army, is in the e O D the Explosive Ordnance Disposal Group i e. The Bomb squad, and when you do that, you get a lot of concussions, you get you had a lot of things. And so he's been being treated for traumatic brain injury over the last three or four years. And last year I invited him on a bison hunt and he joined us. And so this year I arranged for him to be able to hunt wrong horn in Nevada, and he was it was. So it's the most reward ring thing I've probably done in my eleven years of producing outdoor content. That's awesome. And you know how sometimes the planet's aligned. Yeah, it took us four I think on the GPS it took four point seven miles this stock on an antelope buck. But when you see the size of the buck, it's like Jack pop man, this is it couldn't worked out any better. So probably won't come down from that experience for us quite some time. Probably not. And he deserves that and everything else he gets in life. Well, and that's the that's the best part. Now he'll be able to he has that memory, will have that film, I'm sure, and then he'll have that on his wall at some point you can look back on whenever he's having a rough time with what he's going through and be like yeah, yeah he as he said, And he said, you know, this makes me feel normal again. And whatever I can do to help someone like that feel normal, count me in man. Yeah, I mean we were we were just talking to Cam Haynes a little bit ago. Um. He was getting us hyped up for ELK season as only he can do. He got me like, I need to start doing some pull ups in that and he was saying, like, we're just so lucky to be able to do this stuff. And there's moments like that when you can pass that to somebody, especially those of us who get to do it kind of for a job or for a job. You know, that's that's yeah, that's and it's going with someone like that who has given so much to so many and even now that he's back here, he's so interested in helping others. Ah, helping that person feel real again or have an experience that will be one of those touchdowns they can go back to. I just I have I just think about it. I get all excited and smiling. And that I've heard it. I've heard it articulated before where it's like, at some point in your life it's going to be more rewarding to take other people out and to go yourself. I was like, I don't know that that. There's needs to be a point in your life. It shouldn't always that way. There may be a point in your life where you learned enough that you're ready to take someone else out, but there's never there doesn't have to be a moment, no matter what you're doing, you should be able to help someone. And I think that transition happens slowly where you don't even realize that, kind of like your knee going bad, you know, our critic, It's like, how do my knee get this? Right now, I am at that point in my life where taking other people is by far more rewarding than my own hunting. And don't get me wrong, I'm I'm pretty excited to go el Cotton this year, uh and some of the other trips I have, But there's just something about those special times, those friendships, the relationships we build in hunting, and it's just everyone listening knows what I'm talking about, And as you get to a certain point, you just value that and and yearn for that more than you request for your own fulfillment. Yeah. Now I find myself prepping my son's will be three here in a little bit. I find myself prepping for that. Like when I'm hunting, I'm thinking of him being there, you know, him being like eight years from now, him being there. What am I like? What am I doing now that could transfer to that moment, because that's way more important than any single thing that I might experience right now for sure. And my wife says that many times that my son's now nine, when he left the house to go to college, she said, am I going to have to rent you a teenager or something? Because I just programmed myself for the prior probably ten years. He was with me all the time when we're hunting, and it became so much just our relationship and and how that interaction happens, and the ups the downs, and in hunting you get to see people at their best and you get to see him at their worst. So you're really it's a real character revealing opportunity when you go hunting. And I can't wait for that because I always you always try to describe it as this this three dimensional experience that like when you're hunted with somebody, your relationship with him is different than if you've just gone out and had a drink and some dinner with or anything. Really you have this like it's it's incredibly hard to do, and the success feels different than other successes. You know, if I write a good article, yeah it's pretty insolint. But if me and you would Phil go out and whack a big bull together and it took a fifteen mile hike in and out to get there. Like there's a brotherhood or you know, sisterhood or whatever you would say. There's like a bond there and it's hard to describe absolutely, And I think of all my friendships that have been formed and strengthened through hunting experiences, that they're the people that they're calling my foxholl friends when the art jailer is coming in that I want them in my fox Hill. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's what's cool about this industry. Man. You can walk around these trade shows and stuff and it's it's work, but you're still like seeing people like you've had these crazy experiences with um, you know, I'll see guys like col Crane will be like, oh dude, we got so many stories we can tell, and so to revisit those things is is unbelievable. But we were asking everybody, We're calling a much people earlier and just asking them, like to describe what an elk is. If an alien came down and landed and and said, what does that thing like, how would you describe? Because I've heard other more sharp people than myself describe it in many ways, but I just I also think people that live in New York City might need they might know like the Yellowstone version of an elk, But there's a different version of that animal that you and I know and folks that have pursued them intensely. No. Um, So, how like, how do you describe this thing, oh man? In so many ways, whether you describe it physically, whether you describe it or what it represents. I suspect back in the old time of navigation, when sailors would look for the mermaids in a lot of respects, the the help to a hunter is the mermaid. It's the It's what you've dreamed about, it's what you've longed for, and it's in a lot of ways it is really what you've dreamed of. But then there's also parts of your dream where it's not that. Uh. It's just if you could put together a Frankenstein animal that has amazing uh scent capability, amazing escapement, adaptability to live in places that humans are just so subpar on that landscape, uh, and then you could put it together in a big size of lots of unbelievable protein. At the end, it's like the ultimate package. To me and I get that sheep hunting and other things are are something you know, different and in equally interesting. But I don't know if I could create an animal that has more intrigued, more appeal, more challenge than a public land elk. Well, when you say it, when you say it that way, you know, like a sheep for example, you know, when you hunt a sheep, a big part of the lords the country that they live in, because sheep are I mean, if you're around on them, they're fairly docile, like they're you know, they're spooky, but they're just hanging out. They're not doing a whole lot of interesting things. There's other things like whitetail, where it's the manipulation of the landscape sometimes that's the appeal. There's other things like antelope worts that the spotting and stalking, or that you know, their eyesight that's But with elk, it's the elk that is the appeal. I feel like it's the animal that's the main attraction. It's not where it is or really anything else. And it's so hard to describe what that's like around them, and especially at the times of the year where we get to interact with them vocally, there's very few hunts where you're interacting with you a vocal manner, the way that you are with Piste off running bull Alt who says, you know what, I'm gonna come over there. I'm tired of you, Pal, I'm gonna hit you so hard your brother's teeth are gonna fall out. And they come in. And it's not just the audio effect, it's the vibration. It's the the intensity. You cannot have an encounter or the bullouk under fifty yards without your whole body feeling that experience. It shakes your bones. In video, it doesn't no good. It does not do it justice at all. So as much as you know I've never heard a sheet coming, you know, the threatened, or come into a call a white tail. Maybe you know you'll get a little bit of grunting, but there's just so And maybe I'm biased because I live here and I spend so much time chasing out, but there is something about alc the when the creator said we're going to make this magical animal that hunters are going to lose a lot of sleep over and spend billions of collective dollars pursuing and trying to develop gadgets and gizmos to improve their success. The creator made the wappatine the wappetite. Yeah, and I find that like in thinking about them in tin shops, like it's a giant forest horse, as their friend once or says, often with swords growing out of its head. Those swords like a fastigial bone growth that fall off every year and then then come back bigger the older the animal gets most times at least, and so like, just even to describe that version of it is pretty insane. And then what we do as hunters is talk to them using their language. We manipulate their language to make them feel like we are one of them. Like that is it's just a to describe that to someone who has that that doesn't understand the concept is insane to me. And the other beauty I think about because their adaptability across landscapes where in the last in my lifetime, they have become an animal of the average person, that white tail where when I was growing up, When I was growing up, elk were something that only those of of privilege or geography or finances had as a realistic dream. Now there's no hunter in America who cannot reasonably set their sights on the idea of a public land olkume. Yeah, yeah, and all that together and what what what more could you add to elk and elk hunting to improve it? I just yeah, And I grew up on the East Coast. I had a lot of friends back there that's c elk, and I did. As a kid, I saw elk as this as this mythical creature. And then when you start to realize, well, elk or native to my to Maryland, the mountains of Maryland where I grew up hunting, there's been a few hundred years since they've been there, but the eastern elk is native there, and and they at some point in the mountains of the green Ridge Mountains where I grew up hunting, tried to reintroduce elk, much like they did in Pennsylvania and again turned down. But you realize once you're on't you understand the plans and and really what what you're all about, and what this company, too, was all about, that it's this, this, this magical thing that's accessible to anyone should they want to, you know, listen to what you have to say, or find someone to mentor them and get them there. It's not that far away. It's really not. It is within the grasp of anyone who desires to do it. So what's there you You were talking earlier about six years of ah, yeah, sixty years of failure, six years of failure that now being able to reflect on it twenty years later was the best learning experience I could have ever had to become an Elk hunter. I always thought it was that time where uh media was starting to emerge, and I consumed every piece of media I could about elk cunning and most of them are focused on selling some new item. This is this will solve your problem? Wow. I Uh, I got really frustrated because there were I moved to Bozeman and I I was lucky. My wife said I want to move there, and we came here on our honeymoon, so here we go. Uh in n we came here on our honeymoon. And obviously killing it now became my just It occupied my all waking thoughts. Uh. If if anybody ever comes to Boseman, you'll see that. Ever, if I ever have a real day where I'm really stressed out or tied up in something, and then I get going on the highway towards my house and I look over to the Bridge of Mountains. I'm like, oh, ELK lived there, and they're like right there, right, So how could you not be tied up in right? And So I spent six years doing every stupid thing you could think of, and then believing that if I bought enough gadgets somehow that would bridge the gap to success. That did not work, just cost me a lot of money. And I got to the point where if one is good, two is good, or so by two or three of whatever that gadget was, I was the marketers dream person. And finally I got frustrated and I sat down. I still remember this. It was I don't want to say it's an epiphany. It was more out of frustration that I gotta figure this out because it's driving me crazy. And I started thinking, well, growing up in northern Minnesota, I learned how to fish walleyes. It was so intuitive. Since I was a kid, I knew walleye fishing. I moved out West fish reservoirs for walleyes. Why can't I catch walleyes pretty much anywhere, any place, any time of year. And I got to thinking, well, it's because I intuitively know a lot about walleyes. I know where they're at at certain times of the year. I know what their needs are, and those needs drive where the walleye are going to be. So I is crez. I wish it would have kept kind of sketches of my diagrams and flow charts. But I said, all right, I'm do the same thing with alk. What are their needs? So I get this book written by Jack Ward Tom It's called elkinouch Ecology. Uh. It was out of print, uh, and I started really promoting it. And I don't know if it's because I've treated as the elk Bible, but it's now back in print at the Wildlife Management Institute. Don't buy it on eBay because it's like foreigner bucks. You can get up for forty bucks at w m I. So I read that book and it goes into so much about what elk need. So I said, all right, here there are four basic needs food, water, sanctuary or survival, whatever you want to call it. And then a season will need a breeding. All right, what that's gonna much like walleyes. That's gonna drive them to certain places on the landscape at certain times of the year. So I come up with these five periods of out cutting early season, which is mostly August, pre rut, peak rut, post rut in late season, and then I prioritize where are these what are the needs in each of those four seasons. So I go through that whole exercise. I'm like, all right, Montana elk season opens this year in the post rep period. I think sanctuary is their number one need. In the post rout period, I go down to this grizzly bear infested place where I know that there's not gonna be a lot of hunting pressure. Opening morning, I shoot my first ball out. I'm like, why didn't I do that six years ago? And it's not like that was all of a sudden I ticket wherever year you're gonna kill a bullock. But it opened my eyes that Randy, you've been trying to shortcut this. You did not know enough about elk And yeah, you had some bad luck along the way, but you didn't do your homework. You did not become a student of the elk. Since then, it's elk hunting has become so much easier when I treat it in that basic manner and break it down to the point that an elk has a need and el can't do anything randomly. They the risk in the investment of their scarce resources to just randomly do things means you're going to die if you're an elk. So they do everything purposefully. So I got to think about what's the purposeful event or activity or time phase or seasonal phase that is going to cause an elk to be at a certain place and where is that certain place? Yeah, but because most elk, most the elk you're hunter in the wilderness, there's there's not as much conditioning happening. You know, right that white tails are conditioned in different ways. We come in and build a house and they move right. But most elk, most not all, of course, but most elk is, especially in the back country setting, don't have that same stimuli. They're not being conditioned to move. They're moving pretty freely in the landscape, so they're they're able to develop these habituating the way. And so once I broke it out in that manner, the other thing I realized is, and this is over years of people asking me questions, because of just the accessibility of our media platforms, is the number one reason that I and others don't feel our olkkay is we have not figured out how to consistently find ELK in the time frame that we have our tag, the season day, in the location that we have our tag for, And so I have to make that as simple as possible. And this is the accountant in me. Everything's got to kind of have a little checklist it, right. Uh. And now that I've approached it from that standpoint, consistently finding ELK, it is a whole lot easier. And don't get me wrong, I still have my days where it's like where they go and they get wings and fly away, but I know they're here. Uh. And so for me, it's a very systematic approach because we when we go to a place, and very often we're going to a place we've never been to, we have five days. We we get there and I say, we figured it out, sorted out, pack it out. That's what we gotta do in five days. And when you do that, you can't rely on random luck. You better have a strategy or at least a system that you fall back to when things get tough. And so that's six years. I can't even tell you how many lessons I learned in six years of failure. And the other thing it helped me with in el khunning. Elk hunting is very frustrating. Elk hunning is very difficult, very challenging, and you can have people I think, that come to elk hunting with the belief that oh there's going to be like I saw it on a video. No way it is. It is like really really a challenge, and it allowed me that six years of failure, I think built a pretty big callous on my psyche about get ready, rady, this is tough stuff. You're gonna get humbled, you're gonna get defeated, you're gonna get your ass handed to you. And I think that if there's if there's a benefit of failing for six consecutive years, is that it really toughens your your mental approach to well and like you said, a callous on your and like that your psyche ist. It's a great way to put it too, because you get you have to have that and I'd like our mutual and how Herring was describing it to me like learning a language. It was like, you have to and that's what I feel like you're describing, not even not only the language of the actual animal, but the language of the landscape. You have to learn a place like you learn language. You gotta start by learning you know the most important words, and then and then on and on and on you go, and eventually you're fluid in that language and you're able to walk out there, look at the landscape and be like, ELK are gonna be right there? Yeah? And I used to get mad when I didn't find ELK. Now what pisses me off when I'm out there if I screw up an encounter. But I don't get mad because I'm not having encounters every day. It's back at camp in the tans. It's like, all right, what is going on? What am I missing? What am I not thinking about? What's different? Why am I trying to apply strategy B when really it seems like maybe I should be doing the strategy JH. So every day that I don't have an encounter to me is another learning about. But I do get pretty upset. I want to fumble. We'll just you know, do all that work, and then it's like, oh no, I would let that step through our fingers. Well we're talking about that in the office here and me personally just now moving to Montana, I really want to do it the slow way, like if you if if that makes sense, like wanting to understand pick up, pick a valley, pick a drainage, pick it all my own. I don't want anybody like, go this, there's elk in this valley. Okay, great, that's fine, thank you. I'll go there at the end of season. If I just really hungry would have it. He helped me. But like I want to go to a place, I want to I want to read it, I want to learn it. I want to find the elk and learn what they're doing and then have that intellectual property for my own so I can say that I've done that. If I don't do that, if I just grab a spot or away point from one of the many folks in the office that have them, I don't know what I'll learn. I might learn elk behavior maybe, but I'm not gonna learn what I could if I just go after it. You know, and it's true, do it yourself, since yeah, and you probably get the same as I do. People are like, well, can you tell me where to go? Or can you give me a general location? And we don't ever do that. We say we're trying to give you tools where you can analyze this make effective decisions when you're out there, because hunting in itself, and elk hunting especially is and I tell people this is the best business tool you could ever have, is to be an elk hunter. You are bringing in volumes of information and you're processing it instantaneously, and you're making decision after decision. You may not realize that, and so the goal of what we try to do is provide information that allows people to do that process quicker and have better outcomes as they as they process this volume of information. You think about when you leave the truck in the morning. You're interpreting the thermals. You're interpreting hunting pressure, the temperature, the moon phase, the season of the year, what you smell for you know, have they been through here? And you're interpreting rubs, the rate of track. Okay, the sun is going to do this during the day. If you sat and thought about every decision tree you have, you just in one day of l hunting, it looked like programming this space shuttle or something. I mean, I just just got back from it failing an antelope punning, and I just we didn't. We failed for many reasons, whether among them but like and I had two good stocks and within those stocks, like you know I'm crawling, you're crawling, okay, get up here and draw, like make range now, Like, don't even worry about ranging. You're too close, like those little decision trees are. It's just like, as someone who overthinks things, I is interesting to me, Like I find like I want to talk to people about, Like had I just laid there for twenty minutes instead of like jumped up and tried to fling one, who knows what would have happened. It's like the infinite possibilities of this stuff is it's intriguing to me. Yeah, and you know that for me, there's sometimes I get lucky too. I mean in every endeavor in life, I don't care if it's fishing, hunting, or golf skiing. There are some days you get more than you deserve, and there are some days you don't get what you feel you deserve. And I try not to let the days where something falls on my lap make me feel like I get this figured out, because as quick as you do that, then the next three trips you're not gonna see crap and you're gonna I guess I don't have this figured out. It's so hard if you would boil down. The social media makes it even harder, I feel, because if you would boil down to the moments of failure felt by every elk hunter in this month of September, millions, trillions, maybe even like the moments where like I sucked that up trillions. I don't know how you could even count the number of moments of failure, but you can count the number of moments of success like that there that we could go out and count those and be like, well, that's this many. And you see that on social media, you like get to capture just the moments of success. Mostly some people are nice enough to be like I failed, But so everybody's looking around, every new hunters looking around like, wow, you know, look at those eleven people killed elk last week. Oh my feed. Yeah, but that's those eleven people experienced hundreds of moments of failure. Yeah, I forgot about the nine ninety others who didn't have success that ended up stomping and cussing and swearing and yelling at their their bad luck. And I just think that just social media, the way that set up. I think that's just what it is, you know, it's not an accurate portrayal. An interesting experiment we did on our YouTube channel is last year, my uncle who's my age, we went to New Mexico. We drew these really cool tags and we had six days of very high temperatures, really tough elk hunting, and we just showed, you know, we're struggling, we're moving. We had this plan. It didn't work out at all. And the number of people who've watched that is way more than I expected. In the number of people who have commented of thanks for showing that not everybody ends up with an elk at the end. Uh So, I think for those of us who produce media, it's easy to get caught up in always wanting to show the happy ending. But I mean, you know what's real valuable showing a string jump or showing like showing something that happens just as often or more often than elkint and actually killed. You know, Yeah, it's a funny. It's a funny diconomy where we are now where you're like, it's out season and sure enough people are gonna start killing elk and they're gonna show up there and you're just sitting back thinking I'm the worst, the absolute worst. I'm just I'm like you were just saying, man, you know, how is it that Katie grew up in a little logging town in northern Minnesota who dreamed of al khunting some day. I thought I'd have to win the lottery to go al khunting. I get to do it multiple times a year. What a country. That's all I can say. I live in the greatest country in the world, and I'm so grateful to be able to go and do that. I don't take it for granted. It doesn't make sense to me. It doesn't and I feel like I was talking to my wife that last week and I was like, we should feel like we're the O'Brien's, we should feel like pioneers. Now we didn't come across in a covered wagon. We went in the U haul truck. But still like, the O'Brien's of Maryland have never come this far west. And I feel like I'm not. I'm still not. You know, I don't know that there's any part of me that takes that for granted, that knows that that like this is a even for my family. Most of my family lived in one small area in Maryland. So it's like even for that one very small example, like I'm doing something, but then you just of all the people that can go hunting and have an opportunity to pursue multiple times a year and go all over and do these things. I mean, it's just a it's a mind blower. Yeah. I if people would have let me craft my dream of my life when I was fourteen, when we're out thinking I'm gonna be there, you know, a billionaire, I would have my mind couldn't even have went to what I have for a wonderful life today. And I think a lot of people if they sat and thought about that, Wow, I get to hunt elk in my backyard or I get to this or I mean, that's the good old days. If you if you're a hunter and you want to work at it and if you make it your priority today, are it is the good old days? Yeah, We've been saying that a lot around here. I mean it really really is. It is. I met you know, every I think every time I'm at the airport, either getting coming home or picking someone up or whatever, I run into someone who either I know or knows me from this or whatever. That's like, I'm coming here for I just ran into a guy last week's it. I think b H a Pennsylvania. I think he was. He was telling me and he was here just He's like, my wife and I are going to scout for elk like you guys hunting. He's like, no, we just just want to see some elk. Like next year, I think we'll come. We're gonna stay in a fire tower and we're just gonna be in Montana. And the only way we knew that is because people around b H told us that this was possible. And now here we are, I'm like, good, good on you man. Go out there and stomp it up. That's what that's what you should be doing. Yeah, it's I don't know. Maybe it's just because of where I'm at aid wise and in the path I've traveled. Is uh. I'm very reflective about that stuff now, and I just I don't want to take it for granted. My wife is convinced that I want to spend every dime we have dying borderline penniless at the end and spend it all on hunting, and can't you Yeah, and she, much to her credit, and I don't know how I deserved this, but she's encouraging me. She's like, you know what, you have no guarantees, No one has any guarantees. Go do it all right, see you in four months, Darren. Yeah. Oh, I'm like, you know, my dad's why my dad when he was at like my age now, because I find myself kind of bouncing back and forth the time these days. Like my dad took a lot of time off hunting when I was a kid, and then my wife's pregnant with baby number two, and like during the time when there were two little babies running around, my dad's like, I gotta focus on this and has some business and took some time off of hunting, and then talking to my wife, he's like, no, no, you need to remain saying you need to remain cogent, and like you can't do that without hunting. Yeah, it's like this weird medicine that we've that we have to have to have. If you don't have it, nothing works. No. I She used to when when she was trying to understand this hunting problem I had, she would say, I don't understand it, but you're a different person when you come home, so just go do it. And then she started hunting. Uh, and she's like, Okay, I get it now. And obviously when my son was in school and at home, they're in a way, I would travel and be gone like I am now. So anyone listening, don't think that I'm advocating that you should be gone for four months and leave. The kids will be there when you get back. Yeah, we can skype them. Yeah, don't bet on that. But that's part of the reason. Like, if I'm moving him on town, I'm like, I could just run out then, do you know a two day hunt and come back. I don't have to leave for ten days. That's there's some beauty in the proximity piece, at least where I am in my life. But the beauty for me this year, we've got some amazing outcounts that we're gonna do. I'm going into a place I've I've driven by over a hundred times probably and I've always said someday I'm going in there. I got four Lomas. I'm going in there this year. And then one of my other hunts is the place I've been, it's where I killed my first bull, Elk. I'm going in there with some friends and it's a little bit of nostalgia, kind of like when you go back to the little pond you grew up fishing blue girls on. Yeah, it's uh so, I'm gonna be doing some of that, and then I'm helping my mom has six brothers, her two, two of our older brothers. I'm taking each of them on al Kansas here. One of Wyoming went to New Mexico. Uh really really excited about that. And then uh me and Marcus at our office we got cow owt tags in Wyoming. Minds inn either sex, But I think we're just going down there in December it's cow ow time because we want to make cow ow cunting. Maybe I'm wrong in thinking there's a stigma about cowow counting, but I I get that. The where I've developed that feeling that there might be is how many people say, well, it's only a cow, that's it. Don't when they say only a cow, I want to say, please, don't say that. This is an unbelievable creature, an animal that has senses beyond what we will ever have. And yeah, they might be at times easier to to tag, just because of the way they've been forced into a landscape there on the margins of their habitat the way that the cows have to conduct their daily lives and the fact they maybe aren't subject as my running pressure. Maybe it seems like they're a little bit easier. I want to make cowol conning cool. That's our ain. Yeah, if it was ever cool? Well, yeah, I mean I think that's when when we talk about trophy hunting or like we lost after certain things and one thing we just don't lust after that. But it's man even it's not just utilitarian. It can be it's still held counting. Yeah, it's and it's you think about all the purposes that it fills your freezer with amazing meat. It helps with conservation, it helps with wildlife management, it helps build your skills, it extends your season, and a lot of instances, it's you don't gotta worry about taxidermy bills. Yeah, they're just yeah. And I feel that i've you know, the content we produced, We've never shown a cow outcun and I feel partly responsible for that. So I and it's kind of like been this awakening Randy, how did you get this far down the road without doing a cow owcunt? You knuckle head and a lot of times we've been out on haunts where I've had a cow tag, but we have a guest hunter, and it's more focused on making you know, the guest hunters hunt what it could be. And I just came to the realization, you know what, Yeah, I'm going to show people. I get pretty excited about cole al kunning. Don't take this wrong, and yeah, yeah, I mean I think it's it's a great way. And we always said, like the way you're describing me, like, oh, we'll take new hunters calw hunting because it's so easy and it's something but and depending on where you're going, it could be just as tough as finding a big bull. You know, you're I think you're just like you're less selective. But there's there's like some principles of wildlife management buried in there that you can better appreciate during a cow hunt. I mean, there's other things that you can focus in on. Right, this is board and whether I'm hunting antlers or antlern list animals. My number one priority for why I hunt goes back to when I grew up food, So cowl counting, check slap box. Okay, I go there because I want to connect with the natural world, like I checks that box, all right. I like to see new places, whether it's a new little drainage near my home that I haven't hiked into, or it's wyoming in place I'm not on it there it checks that box, all right. I'm contributing to the funding of wildlife conservation. It checks that box. It it checks every box, so I'm I'm there. Is it saves you on the taxi rybill, GE's the same amount of meat. Basically, you gotta worry about like glass at them for for is he a six point bull? No? No, it just it's a cow. Yeah, that's a cow. Got bad news for your baby, But you're gonna get the victory lap home to month and coming back to month. No. My dad very much like that. He reached out when earlier this year's it's I want to come home on elk and I think I just want a cow. Why But if it's an east I don't know. I just want to start by shooting cal And I think he's very much thinking the same way. I want to go out there and experience the animal and the landscape and not have to be worried about whether it's a four point bull or six point bull or whatever. I just want to go out there, bring the meat home, which is very important to him because I know elk around where he lives, and and start that way, like it's a it's a great way to kind of just focus on those things forget about what what's on top of the animal's head and just go about go about your your hunt that in that manner. I mean, that's a damn important way to experience it. Man if I go, do it, please go. I encourage everybody, whether it's your dad whoever. Yeah, if that's what you want out of it, go do it and don't look back. So yeah, and so you have a podcast with Corey Jacobson one on one yeah, or course platforms which is his platform on platforms are He's yeah, um, if you're a new elk hunter, that's a nice place to go. And then the Elk Talk podcast that was something that the Rocky mountainol Foundation had kind of been asking me, Hey, can you do you already do your hunt Talk podcast? Will you do another one about elk? And uh? I was on their board for six years. I'm like, look, when I get off the board, you know, we'll do it because sometimes I say and do things that I don't want. I don't want to treat it into this great organization you guys do. You guys don't deserve the baggage I might bring to the process. So yeah, Corey and I now we're let's see, I think we're on episode thirty thirty four or something like that. We've been doing it. It's a bi weekly one that that we put out and we've been doing it a little over a year. It's a great podcast, and it's you know, there's there's again, you could do a thousand episodes on that kind of not cover cover at all. Yeah, yeah, I'm sure you get a lot of feedback, so I'm interested. You know, in your world, what's the one of the things people are asking the most? You find that it's people that are asking those one on one questions the most, or you know, even you know, your podcast is for for every l hunter, but I'm sure that there's different you know, dichotomies and different people that are asking different things. Yeah, we we have to ask your questions here spot out on our website for the podcast, and a lot of the questions come from people that I'll say are somewhere at the beginner to intermediate, and and a lot of them just say, like, I've been hunting out for three years, all right, I'm new to al counting or whatever. So I use that as the gauge. And the questions again are and I see myself on a lot of these questions when I'm talking about that six years of failure. A lot of them are, well, I want to go buy this? What would you recommend? And a lot of times, if I have time to respond to them, I'll say, you know, go buy a book, Go do some research, go google the starky experimental forest elk studies. You're gonna get way more are out of your time and money doing that than you are buying this. Do dad, which probably some of my sponsors are like Granny sell them everything, man. So uh. But I'd say those questions a lot are about uh calling techniques, and I think, uh, if there is a pinnacle to elk hunting, it is calling them. Uh. Corey is the expert. So I to most of those questions Corey. Uh. And there's a lot of them though about just basic things of camp set up or what do I do when I shoot one? I'm worried it's going to spoil um things about you know, certain times of the year. Why am I not finding Elk? I went and scouted him in July and they were everywhere. I came back in October and they aren't anywhere to be found. Well, because I'll move across the landscape to satisfy their need at that time of year, and their need in July is different than their need in October. And so I read those questions and every one of them seem like, Yeah, I've been there and done that, I've made that mistake, or I've had that struggle or that challenge. Uh So it's for he and I. It's really helpful to get those questions. We read them all, but when you're getting a hundreds of them, you can't reply to them all. So we try to. We take them and we categorize them into certain topics, and then we do a podcast on it, Like we just did a podcast last week that's about how do I take care of an elk in the hot seasons of August and September. Okay, here's what we do. The podcast earlier in August that we did was strictly about cow el kunning it's an hour and a half of cow al hunting questions. Um. And so we take those readers or those listener questions, we put them in a bit of an outline. But I'm not good at outlines. I mean kind of like you, man, I see what you're outline and you don't even have un know So we uh, we try to do that. There's not surprisingly there are fewer gear questions then I thought there would be. That's what that was one of my questions because here we get every once in a while you don't talk off about gear, But I don't know that it's that's this platform or your platform with the way that we approach the thing, or is that just people are There's more to know and more to learn. And once you've el kind a little, but you understand that knowing the animal, knowing the landscape, knowing how to take care of the meat, understand how to call those things are first and foremost. Those are paramount to Once you've got that a good grasp on that, then start worrying about the equipment stuff. And I know, on my sponsoring like Randy, wait a second, yeah, but that's that's really how I feel about it. And so Uh, if you span the whole width of of those questions. UM, I was surprised that fewer of them are about equipment than I probably would have expected. Uh. And we don't get a lot of questions from people who say, know, I've hunted out for twenty years or what about this? Um? And I don't know if that's part of the male ego we just and I shouldn't say male, but the hunters ego, uh, where we're just not good at saying, you know, I've been doing this twenty year and I still can't. I can't. Yeah, I can't imagine that I'll ever have a time where I'm done asking questions me either. I'm I mean, I make so many stupid mistakes. It's it's just laughable. You think, all right, and you've been doing this how long? And I still make so many stupid mistakes. And you know that's what it's about, making the being willing to make all those mistakes until you finally figure it out. Yeah. And one of the other things that if the benefit of having done it for a number of years is I'm more comfortable conducting a what's is probably a laughable experiment and accepting that you know that's probably isn't gonna work. But every once in a while you do one of those experiments that someone on the outside is gonna say, that's the dumbest thing I think I've ever seeing an elk gun or dude, and it worked, and the kind of puff your chest down, like, yeah, see, I'm a trailblazer. Name change the show name, but that that podcast we I wouldn't say the topics are the majority of them are our listener driven. Yeah, that's good, and listen to it. It's it's clear because it's clear that there's like a feedback loop that's happening. It's not just you guys talking about whatever it is you want to talk about. So it's it's funny to me because we get we get that here too. You know how that affects the way you hunter, How that affects the way you think when you're hunting. You know the process of wanting to be able to answer those questions changes your own like your own way thinking about hunting when you're out there, like a better better do this in a way where I can articulated somebody else. Yeah, And we try to interject a little bit of our personalities in it. Corey is an engineer by training and I'm an accountant by training. So you think, man, there's gonna be the most boring thing in the world. But you know, for me, I got certain issues that really are part of the reason I hunt out because because it's also a grouse season, uh, which this year, I'm happy here in Montana. I'm here the first two days of gross season and elk season is not open, So I'm going gross uting Sunday, Monday, Sunday. We're gonna, We're gonna we got a gross on play. Yeah, I I shut I shut down everything for grouse, even and it drives Corey nuts. I love gross. We'll be hunting together and there's a grouse and I'm just like a dog that smelled something. I love seeing a gross man. I love hearing I love it. I love hearing him. I love seeing them. So we we try to interject some of those kind of quirkinesses of our personalities. And this year, you know, Corey's the expert on calling out, and that's usually archery season. He's coming up to Montana, him and buddy Donnie Drake. They're coming up and we're going on a rifle hunt and they're like, what do we do with this? Yeah, and then we just shoot him. Yeah, you're not gonna call him in. But the good part is when you find him, you don't got to get him within forty yards. It's gonna be Yeah, he's gonna be a put putt course of the feeling for that. Yeah. But I guess one of the things would be interesting is what you guys get for ELK questions and feedback? Is it? Yeah? I mean I think we certainly. We just start a podcast with Remy Warren where we went through some real what I would consider deep dive calling strategies. You know what he calls dogging elk, which are which is you know, just if you got a bullets bogling and pushing his cows away from you, you're gonna you're gonna essentially run catch up with him, get above him, call to him, piss him off, and get him charged in at you. You know. And as I you know, it's guys like Remy and Corey and yourself that like have enough, especially Remy as a guide and somebody when your job is to make an outcome close so somebody get a shot at it, you have and you do that every year, and that's your job you have. And from spending time with Remy helping him produce that podcast, I've learned you know that he speaks language because he's not doing his job. If he hasn't hasn't obtained that ability, which he has so and in doing that, we've still seen we just launched the first A three part with him, we've still seen a lot of one on one questions that come in even in even in what I would say like is an advanced tactic that he's covering there. And so I know that our audience, like we a lot of times we're talking about thought processes and ideas and just kind of having intellectual debates. But when we get into the actual nuts and bolts of hunting, it really comes down to a lot of people wanting to know where to start, you know, and where to go and how to how to how to understand what this even is. And that really comes back to like some things that we might take for granted that we have to step back and say, listen, if we're going to write a how to thing, it can't be how to dog elk or you know, how to call an aggressive herd bull off his cows can't be that really will provide that. But a lot of what people want is how to get started l cunning? What are the best states for al hunting? Once I draw a tag? What do I do now? Um? How to draw tags? What is a tag? Those types of things. I would say drawn tag is one of the big questions we get. So that's why I last winter, during what we call tag season, we covered every Western state. Here's how you get a tag, and then we I've done a bunch of content already this summer of Okay, you didn't draw a tag, here's a bunch over the counter optionists. Because I'm a firm believer if you live in the United States and you're able to save a couple thousand dollars in your budget every couple of years, you should go elk hunting at least every other year. There's an opportunity in a place for you to do that. And I feel that's part of the information that I want to get out there, is to let people know you can go do this, and once you start doing it, it's, you know, the needles in and then it's over. Yeah, we were talking about the private land public land kind of debate as much as it is a debate, or it isn't at least like the difference between the two cultures. You're like, come out a I'm a private land hunter. I own my own property or at lease a property with some buddies, whatever that might be in the South and the East where that's prevalent. I'm just saying, guys, if you if you're on a lease in Louisiana for deer hunting with four people, if you pull your money together and everybody puts in like seven hundred bucks, you can all get in the truck and drive to Colorado and go elk hunting every year. And so it's not that there's there's literally no difference between the cultures. It's just what are you willing to do? You know, and so grat you know, you go to fresh Tracks, you go to your YouTube channel, you go to your social you come to this platform. Whatever you need to do, go find the information and go and do it because the access is there and the tags are there, and so there really is to me, no difference between I'm I've had at least properties in Maryland and Illinois and Texas. Um, there's no difference. It's just like, what what do you want to do? What's the version of hunting that you desire? And like you said, once you start the whole When I lived in Texas, the whole Texas p H a chapter that all they did was go to Colorado. And that was because you're like, why do you have a public lands group in Texas? Like what will we just go we all get together and go west. And I tell people, you know, if you have access to private land, your a fool. If you don't take advantage of it, con't do it. And uh, but I just I mostly want people to go hunting, and I want them to experience helk cutting. And if you read the Y of our platforms when we started in two thousand eight, the Y is to promote self guided public land hunting and create advocates for that. Cause there is no type of activity I know of that creates advocates to a deeper level than chasing elk out on your public lands. If you want to create a public land advocate, hunting advocate, get them out chasing elk on the public lands for the first two or three times in there. It's just like I was when I first started hunting elk it's a eye opening just nearing the headlights. Look, it's it's but it's oh man, why did season close? I needed another two months? And and then you're s they're calling Randy up at night. It's two in the morning, Randy crack addic, Randy, I got, I got the elk shakes? Can you blow up calcohol into the phone? I know it's like, yeah, you do almost have this withdrawal period, and but that for me, uh, elk hunting is the best way to create advocates for public lands and for hunting. And that's why we do a lot of And here's something that I've found. I wanted your perspective on it. That people come to that moment and in a lot of different ways. Some people might come to it. I've had a lot of people in this podcast, some you know, Brooklyn natives that barely ever leave the city, that just have like a wonder lust and don't even understand what it is, don't really appreciate the natural world, haven't spent much time in it. They're not they don't have this connection that they're trying to fill there. Just they're curious. They wonder what might be out there. So if you take them and you set them down and you show them that experience, they're going to be blown away. There may be other people that are the just haven't been around a culture of hunting, but they do love the natural world. They do love birds, they do love this, they do love landscapes and large predators and all those things. So there's different ways to get people to the point you're talking about. No matter what happens next, they're going to be advocates. But I mean, you've taken a bunch of new hunters out there, how do you find that they get to that point? Because I've I've taken urban nights that don't never even thought about what havelina is and then next thing they know, they're they got the crosshairs on the front shoulder of one. And I've taking people who are um like taxidermists but who just don't hunt, who understand the animals and understand the landscape, and they come into it differently. So I'm sure that there's you have examples as perspective on just like how people get to that moment, because there's a lot that goes into and we get so many requests and questions about that. Hey, I've been watching your stuff, or I'm really interested in the food aspects. I'm I really love being out in these wild places. Can you help me? How do I how do I get to hunting? Uh? And it is very daunting for someone who I think those of us who grew up in a hunting culture, hunting families, we take for granted what we were learning via osmosis as we were youngsters. By the time we're twelve, we know we're handy with a compass, we know how to take care of an animal, we know the difference between gauges and calibers. And I mean we talk in a in a language that to the outsider, you would swear we were speaking some newly invented language. Like if you would when I was thirteen years old, you could hand me like a buck folding knife and I would get it out of the sheath, would take it out. I'd like, where's the deer? Yeah, and I would go and we could get the deer. But you could take a thirty five year old from any urban setting and hand him a buck knife and they wouldn't know what to do. Yeah. And so one of the things I've realized is we do you know, we in the hunting world, we talk about recruit, retain, and reactivate. Throughout our three We do a pretty good job of recruiting because we're running six six hundred to seven hundred and fifty thousand new hunters through hunter Head every year. Where we're falling down is retaining because if you take those hunter Ed graduates within five years, we've lost about of them in many instances. So the International Hunter Education Association came to me and said, hey, can you help us produce content that it might seem overly basic to you and your audience, But the number one hurdle that we think why we're losing these hunters, and some of them don't ever buy their first license, but if they buy their first license, you lose more who don't buy a second or a third. The number one reason they feel that we're losing them is lack of information. The hurdles are so high, and nobody's out there providing information to lower those hurdles. So in early August they launched their platform. It's called hunters Connect. It's an Instagram page, it's a YouTube channel. Uh and if anybody this is a selfless plug on there beyond, if anybody is let's into this and wants to go share information. That's basic, but it's helpful for new hunters who didn't have the benefit of us. You know that you and I and others. I hope they go check it out because it's an it's an effort to really shore up where we're falling short. We're reactivating well, we're recruiting well, but retaining and retaining is providing opportunity. And there's some good groups out there doing mentorship programs and stuff like that. But that's that's not as scalable as you'd like it to be. But information. A lot of these people that we're talking about that we mentioned who are coming to hunting, they're accustomed to consuming information digitally. What do they do? Google it? Google it, get a YouTube video? How do I, you know, change the oil in my rig? Watch YouTube video for a lot of them. So we're trying to use those existing media consumption platforms where they're already at they're already comfortable. Let's get it out there. Let's get them information that lowers these hurdles. Yeah, and that's that's you know, we we all we make media. You do, I do? This company does it could be seen as competitive, but not to me in this case. This this is like we want I'm here, you know, I'm here for a lot of reasons, but the number one reason is because hunting has done something for me that nothing, nothing else in my life has done. And I want more people to have that. And whatever I gotta do to make that happen, it's gonna happen. It's gonna happen for me because I'm gonna push it. Um, yeah, I mean my business card, Ben says Randy Newberg, Come a hunter. It used to say, come a c p A. And uh, I'm I'm proud of that business card. Man. That's that's what that was my ultimate That is the ultimate business card. Yeah. I handed to people. They look at it like, oh man, I wish I would have thought of that. And I can't take credit for one of my CPA clients got tired of never being able to get ahold of me and hunting season. So I come back to the c p A firm one time and there's a note from her and she crossed out c p A and wrote hunter and we got it. We did it, jack Pot, I've reached the pinnacle and beautiful gold lettering. Yeah so, but uh no, I'm with you. I I feel that so much has been given to me by from hunting and by those who built the hunting culture and hunting traditions and the conservation models. I feel a responsibility. What can I be doing? How do I carry that on? And I'm producing media that has a lot of information and inspiration. Maybe I don't have much inspiration, but my theory is if you're going to influence people to act a certain way or to become an advocate for something, you need information and you need inspiration. And I try to do some of that. I'm not the most inspiring guy, but I mean what you do is you make it relatable, you know, because these things aren't these things this is These are hard things to do. Killing an ALcom public playing with it with a bow is incredibly hard to do and even more infinitely hard to do if you have to repeat it everything. So all of those people on their Instagram feeds who are saying, well, I want to be that person with that bowl out that I put an air on through, understand that there's nine people for every five you see, there's who didn't just keep that in mind. It's hard for all of us to keep perspective in the in the internet age. But that's an important it is an important perspective, and I think it's harder for the younger generation, the one prior to you know, the one coming after me, to have that proper perspective and to not want to microwave this thing. Then I think that might be a lot of times why things aren't retained. And we talk about the retention of hunters, we tend to as a society kind of lean towards the microwaveable, like what's the easy I would love to get wild met, but I don't want to have to spend the years and years failing before I get my first taste. And so I think it's when I when I see people talk about the field, the table of and I'm like, yes, all of these like little micro movies within hunting are important, but there is something more important to it. That is it is to me one of the ultimate challenges in life. And you prove things to yourself, you prove things to the people around you, you just become better for it. And it's one of those things that if you if you out there and you're just thinking, I got my license, but I just don't have the time or the money or the energy to do this. I'm telling you that's you'll probably drop off if you don't take that next step real quick. But if you do, you might be like Randy and I like self identified, like I'm a father, I'm a husband, I'm a hunter. What else you need? And that's why I always when people ask me about ELK Cunning, I always start with the story of six years of failure because I want those new el hunters to understand that it's not like you wake up one day and you've got thirty years of el cunning experience under your belt, and some people will shoot on the first morning and drove out and there's one standing above the trailhead. You know that that does happen. But I try to bring that reality to it and make it sound as valuable of inexperience as I can, because it was. It's now. I would not trade those six years of failure for anything, because it's made the path after that so much more rewarding. That's a book, just six years of failure. You know, when I walked in here and been the fed X guy, dropped off a whole palette full of new meat Eater cookbooks. You guys had the chain gang out there. What were they doing it? Yeah, they're loading them in there. And I told them, I said, well, I don't have to worry about that. I can't even read, let alone. Right, So a lot of us here, the ones that can't read, the ones that have to carry the books. Rannell is cracking the whip on. That's that's it, man. I mean that that book has been everywhere I travel. I was in Wyoming last weekend uh at a guy's place and has walked in and where he worked. I told him, and he just like he didn't even say anything. He ran into another room and grabbed the METR quickbook and and he's like, I was like cool, he was excited to show it all. Well, I don't know how many of them. Steve's got an autograph out there, but he's gonna have a writer's cramp. He wears like a little brace like he does. He sits out there, that sucker sits out there and and signs every single one of them too. I know he's left handed. You're gonna have to learn how to sign with us. Right, we're shooting, shooting, sporting Clays yesterday and he was all the ones were like the you could the left handed runs. He was killing a song. You can see the click coming like that. One of the few of the few things about being lefty that is is advantageous. What's you You mentioned the elk and Ecology book that you came up with, if you were if I think we could end on a nice like as a kind of meander through this topic. What are the things? What are the resources out there? You mentioned hunters connect, we can army f is it definitely? If if I want to go elk hunting, you know, what are the like Let's just kind of codify some resources for people that are outside of our platforms and things that are just there for everybody. Yeah. Um, I mean I'd like to say that my stuff is the yours. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, if you haven't been consuming my stuff, most everything that goes But no, I I use that book by jack Ward Thomas, you know, former chief of the Four Service but at the core and elk hunter and a biologist um PhD uh, prolific writer. His book Elk and Auki College. You can get that out of the Wildlife Management Institute. It it's a heavy read, you know. But if you're going to be an elk hunter, this book has so much in there that you need to understand about what an elk needs at a certain time of year, why it's different in an alpine environment versus opinion, juniper environment versus a grassland environment. All that stuff is, it's there. Uh. The Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation and the Service have this collaborative partnership in Oregon on the Starky Experimental Forest. The research that comes out of that forest, and I'm talking articles going back into the eighties is unbelievable stuff. Again, it's a bit of a difficult read, you know. And they just don't know what it is about scientists. They're they're worse than accounts. Yeah, they wanted the account They want us to have all the information for some and they want to talk in a language. Don't understand that. I mean they use Latin. I mean, what the hell. If it wasn't for Google, I wouldn't know half this stuff. But so if your speed reader read the introduction of their studies and read the conclusion, don't worry about all the methodology stuff. You don't need to know. That was all peer reviewed by other big brain people. Uh, that information is really helpful. The BLM and the Forest Service have some amazing research stuff about forage and forage competition because they have domestic cattle allotments and so they have to do analysis of how is domestic grazing affecting wildlife. Well, in those studies, there's a whole bunch of information. They're about the preferred forages of elk at certain times of the year and how do they have to manage the grazing allotments to accommodate that. So if you go through and pick through all that, you're gonna have a ton of stuff. And then the state game agencies they have all kinds of amazing studies. Um, just depends on what state you're hunting. Uh. They have interacting maps they have there. You fly over studies almost every year. You get access to that stuff and you know year by year kind of where these elk are. So those yeah, those are things that So for me, all those resources I just mentioned are about becoming a student of elk, and I feel like I'm just such a novice about my understanding of elk, even after thirty years of researching and reading and trying my darnedest to know more about them. I'm I'm kind of a hack, but uh, you give me a Google search on al Uh. You know, if you went to my Google history, the number of elk searchers is probably way higher than anything else. Uh. And the number of articles I read and sometimes I save them and I reread them. Um, It's just it's an investment, you know. No matter what you want to try to be above average at, you better make an investment. I mean, why why are there golf clinics, Why are there, you know, clinics for how to teach people to fly fish or whatever it might be, investment clubs. If you want to be above average, you're gonna make an investment in whatever that activity is. Yeah, and and just imagine that it's not It can be a chicken or the egg thing. You can go experience it with a mentor and then get so excited about that experience that you devote your time to it, or do it the other way around. Know that there's something you desire to do, and prior to taking taking a step out there in the elk woods, you're gonna do that research. Either one of those is fine, but just know that, like somewhere along the way in the process, if you devote yourself to being what Randy says, as a student of these things. Yeah, so better off. If there's a couple of thoughts I'd leave people with, it's that I said this earlier. Elk don't do anything randomly. Everything Elk do is purposeful. Um, they have a certain need at every time of year, and they're going to go across the landscape to satisfy that need. So if you want to find them and to tag one, you gotta find one. You need to understand what that need is at that time of the year and where on the landscape they can fulfill that need, because that's where they're going to be. Yeah, that's huge, that's huge. Well, Randy, your legend in my own mind, in my mind, and for coming, you got a lot of you got a lot of hunt to do. You gotta take four days of kind of like a respite before you go. Yeah, I'm uh yeah that I'm gonna be out at the range, uh doing the fine tuning tomorrow, and then I'm gonna be packing all day the next day and then it's trajectory across the west. Just for my own this is a question for my own benefit. Archery side, the issue I've been fumbling around with. I have a black gold Montana. It used to be Montana Black. It was called black Gold Ascent. It's a it's a slider like I have. I have three pins and I used to have fifty. But in the last few years I've had this vision issue of you know, I'll start wearing reader glasses. Uh, And I realized, you know what, really my comfort level at fifty is not what it used to be. So I archery hunt to get closer anyhow, So let's get rid of the fifty yard pin, and I don't all my my old bows. I had a slider tape on there because it's like, well, you know, you hope that you only need one air own. But I always thought, well, if I hit one and it was still standing out there at seventy yards, I could roll my slider to seventy and maybe I could get another expiring shot in it. But I even got rid of the tapes. I just and it's it's too alluring. You're like, oh, I think I can make this. Yeah. And last year was my first year doing that. I had a bison tag last year archery bison ended up getting fortunate and taking that bison got to forty three yards and I was comfortable with that shot. Um, so it for me. Those black Gold products, I've been using them. I mean, they've been based here in Bozeman forever. Mike I like started the company and I knew Mike oh Man. I asked that because I'm boomeranging back and forth between like fixed pins for the longest time in my life. Then I went to a single pin spot hawks site where I just have the dial. Now I'm at the the hog Father that has the to the two pins in the single post. I've been boomeranging back and forth, like, what really am I trying to do here? Can I shoot to eight yards? Sure? Have I practiced that? Sure? What am I really doing? Um? You know, we talked about ethics a lot, you do I do on this show. So it's just some them that that and this last archer anlope pun. It seemed like there was like a fifty yard buffer for every analyope that I've crawled up on, and I just was thinking about, what, you know, for me with archery, how am I going to start a better define you know, the tactic and and going back, and I think I'm gonna go back to fixed pins for that reason, so I can really give myself Like, this is where you know you talk about efficacy, This is where it is for you, and you know if you could certainly kill things at eighty yards if you really, but there's just too many variables, too many things that could happen for me. So but that's why I went to just and with every piece of equipment I own, Ben, I'm the weak link in the equation. And that's why tomorrow I'm out at the range most Today I'm just trying to make my my weak link a little stronger. And I'm like, when I drove by your house, I did see some three D targets in the back. I've got an elk out there. YEA tell you told Marcus we were gonna come hijack your out and we're gonna do Instagram thing about I don't know if you have a name for it. You know where's Waldo the walk, Well, I'll name him Wall just for you that way, if you'd ever steal them. There's also a while there's a hog and have Lena back there. But I've had neighbors walked by and be like, hey, yeah, are you build a diorama? When you think I'm building a tiny yellowstone diorama in my backyard. That's that's fun. That's one way to look at it, right. I'll just telling you case you every wanna come shoot sixty yards to the sidewalk to my house. If you come, if you stand on the sidewalk, sixty yards to the elements, okay, it's perfect. Yeah, I'm I'm lucky. My neighbor. Let's walk across the street and stand right down the boundary of their ditch. And I got seventy five yards there, and uh, obviously I'd never shoot out seventy five yards, but it sure makes life easier when you walk up to thirty after you've been shooting seventy. Oh yeah. It's like when I put that I put that elcop and I walked over and I was like, because this as far as like a choot on the sidewalk border my property. Okay, sixty yards perfect right here at the edge like that. That's it couldn't be meant to be. There's my That is my ultimate range for the rest of time. Let me know when you're having your big shoot. I'll show up and I will I won't. I'll bring a lot of arrows because I I arrow companies love me me too. I gotta I've got to build like some sort of barrier. Yeah, I'm also I'm gonna might get a metal detector. Well, they loved me for a couple of reasons. One is I have I'm still stupid where I'll shoot the same arrow or multiple arrows at the same spot on the target. But then also I have no hesitation about ruining a thirty dollar broad head and arrow for a grouse if somehow I ran out of field tips or judo points. That's what broad head there fall. When you're Alcohn, that of course you do. Oh well, yes, yeah, you can carry one in my quiver. And then I usually have two or three judo points that I could screw in if I needed to. I carry those in some of them. I'm not screwming on my ears. This ship I just bought some u is it? Montech makes these small game heads like a little triangle, looks like the clock. I'm gonna at you, So I'm gonna try those. Those things like they go out when you let the arrow go right. They're like spring out. These are These are a smaller like full aluminum type point pointing. It's like a trident that is twisted and h I'm gonna fan. No they're not. Okay, nobody's paying me to say that. The Striker Montechi. They're made by Montak or G five or whoever did whatever the brand the company name. So I'm gonna be trying those on girls. All right, bare let you go. We can probably do this all day. Thanks for having me. Thanks, Yeah, I appreciate it. I guess I grew up on all the road. That's it. That's all. Episode seventy seven is now in the books. Thank you to Randy Newburgh, a legend. Phil's coughing, Phil, you all right, Yeah that Lacroix can sneak up on you. Yeah, yeah, that really gets you. That's hard stuff, Phil, that's a hard it's a hard beverage. What flavor do you go with her? Phil Classic? What's your favorite Lacroix as lacrux. Uh, I'll get on Mike here. Um. I I'm a big fan of the just kind of the o g s, the lime, the pomple moose, the grapefruit as it pops. The hell is look at the can it says pomple moves. Man, it's French. Are you making that up? Nope? Check it. We got some in the fridge. Check it out. I'll check out the pomple moves. Yeah, they probably dumped that down the sink. Is it Goodlet's it taste like? Tastes like pomple moose? What's pomple moose? Taste like? It's a grape fruit in French? It's just grapefruit. Why can't we say great fruits America? Yeah, I think it's a I think that they're trying to be like Canadian or something like Frooks Crooks. Listen, this is probably I wasn't planning on talking about this, but now that we're here, Phil, this is a good time to talk about white claw. Oh, speaking of today, we normally get cupcakes for birthday festivities, but instead we got four cases of white claws holler for the August birthdays. It's elk season, baby, but it's always white claw season. White Claws season never goes out of style. Yeah, listen, I gotta this. I gotta come clean on something here. Your people, I love I love you guys, I love you listeners. You're you're it's like we're one family. It's like we're all. It's like thousands of us are just all. Would you call it a collective, Yeah, it's like a collective family of hunters. It's almost what it's like. And I just feel I feel like you're sending me too many white claw memes. Stop it, Stop sending me the white claw memes. Counterpoint, Um, I'd say, keep keep them coming, keep them coming, keep them coming. Yeah, this is good, this is good material. I mean, my Instagram dms are just full of white claw. You're getting sick of him because you were very excited about reposting them. Now it's just too many of them. You can't you can't keep up. When somebody makes like a corner on the claw flavor, I get that ten times, fifteen times, maybe twenty times. If somebody does like a claw flavor pop tart box, I get that. Somebody does Steve Austin meme. If I get that fucking Steve Auston meme one more time, or he's like a shame that I drink white cloth, I'm gonna find Steve Auston and we're gonna get at it. The toy story one, noone's get that one a lot too. The claw that comes down. Every meme that you've seen about White Claw is in my inbox right now. I just want you to know that. So this is you can either listen to my please and stop sending them or completely ignore my please. And that's actually what I would do if someone was telling me to stop, I would send more of them. And so maybe this is a bad way to say, let's keep it going. Boys and girls like white Claw memes are hot right now? Yeah, reverse psychology, Yeah, something like that. Anyway, I don't know where I was going with any of that, but hopefully you enjoy You enjoyed our Elk Hype Talk Elk Elk Hype series where Cameron Haynes, I mean Cam Haynes, good lord, he's got some inspiration, some good quotes in there. Yeah, I'm gonna go me and Phil. You think I could do more push ups than you? Phil? If we do a little push up contest? You think? So that's good keeping you around. We started talking about Cam Haynes and you just challenge me to a push up CONTESTI medly, what's up? Man? What's up? Anyway? This is my way to say that was a great episode, and um, we'll see you next week here on the Hunting Collective. Looking forward, all those white Claw memes flooding into phills d m s. Maybe you're gonna redirect those? Yeah, okay, I'm gonna send them all to you. When they come to me, I'm forwarding them right over to you. Please, don't Phil is going to be our white Claw repository from now on. Nope, Nope, nope, that's your job. You started this. Enjoy Yolks season. Bye Denniseee who whiskey got the drinking in Heaven? And I know I can't stay here too long because I can't go a week without doing Run oh without you and run bringing out right wrong drinking in Heaven