00:00:00 Speaker 1: I'm k C. 00:00:00 Speaker 2: I'm Tyler, and you're listening to the Element podcast. 00:00:14 Speaker 1: What is going on? Everybody? Guess what? It's kind of whitetail out there. It is like a hundred degrees right now. It is a little bit hot. 00:00:23 Speaker 3: But there's people around the country who are needing some whitetail information. It's people around the wild country who are hunting white tails right now. You're hunting man, man. 00:00:33 Speaker 1: That's we're here for. 00:00:34 Speaker 3: So if you didn't know, today the first episode of ret Fresh Radio launched and Tyler and I got coerced in hosting that. Again Mark's deflecting as usual, but uh, that podcast we are hosting Retfresh. So if you need the report as to what's going on in your neck of the woods, go check out the wire to Hunt feed and that'll be launching on Wednesdays as well, So go check that out. 00:01:03 Speaker 1: We appreciate the support over there. There's a lot. 00:01:05 Speaker 2: There's another commonality in those two podcasts, the ret Fresh podcasts in ours, they're. 00:01:11 Speaker 1: Both brought to you by first Light. 00:01:12 Speaker 3: How about that? Yeah, way to go first Light. I appreciate the hell, thank you. Yep, Tyler has on a striking first Light. 00:01:18 Speaker 1: I had right now. It's very nice. Thanks man, you're welcome. 00:01:21 Speaker 2: I'm not quite the striker that Eric Gentry is, but I'm glad he's on the podcast today. You know, normally when we talk about him, he can't defend himself, you know, what's up everyone. 00:01:32 Speaker 3: But he's here today. He's got is uh one of those chungles. Is that what they call him? Right, he's ready to throw him at us in case. 00:01:45 Speaker 2: The whole antelope, a whole analope hunt man, we were talking about the cactus. 00:01:49 Speaker 3: If y'all don't know, Eric is real funny and uh, he kind of gets the words jumble up in his head a little bit. And it's it's not that he is. He's very intelligent, right, but he didn't up in the South, so like there's words that he's new to. So sometimes he mispronounces him from time to time. And it's real funny for us and hopefully for him a little bit as well. 00:02:12 Speaker 1: Capatilla, it was the eye. 00:02:16 Speaker 3: Nature is I can't even get that one right. And uh, a refugee. 00:02:24 Speaker 1: There's all kinds of good stuff out there. 00:02:27 Speaker 3: Yeah, but today we're gonna do a Q and a podcast that a lot of y'all submitted questions and thoughts about the early season September in October, which you know, depends on what you call early season. Some people call everything before the rut early season. 00:02:42 Speaker 1: There's also pre. 00:02:43 Speaker 3: Running there, and you know, around the country, things are doing different stuff, right. That's why whitetail a cool because they're all over the place doing all kinds of crazy different things, looking all kinds. 00:02:51 Speaker 1: Of crazy different ways. 00:02:52 Speaker 3: However, we have hunted some of those areas around the country, and some of y'all think that we're worth asking a question too, So we're gonna give you our best shot of answering these things, and Eric's gonna present them to us. But before that, we actually have an audio question from old JC. 00:03:09 Speaker 2: Yeah, everything that we're gonna hear today mostly is oriented towards that kind of early season pre rut stuff. I think some of these are gonna be just a little more general and generic, just deer hunt questions too, so you get a little bit of everything, and maybe we can do these more specific as we go throughout the season and hit some of the stages of the season or the rut. 00:03:33 Speaker 1: But this is JC right here. 00:03:35 Speaker 4: See my question for you guys, is I hond on about one thousand acre farm here in Ohio, and we've just had like a really hard time trying to like pin down the movement of these bucks that we have on our property. Like we'll get bucks just I'll just randomly show up. It's hard to keep them on the property. Almost it feels like it's it's like three and a. 00:03:58 Speaker 1: Half blocks of woods. 00:03:59 Speaker 4: Probably they're they're all pretty decent sized woods, but it doesn't seem like the bucks have any rhyme or rhythm to the way they move on the property. 00:04:07 Speaker 1: So I was wondering if there's any way just. 00:04:09 Speaker 4: To try to either keep them on the property or try to pin their movement down. You probably have five cameras out across eight stands on the property, So if you guys have any titcher pointers, that would be great, Thank you. 00:04:20 Speaker 2: It'd be good to know a little more about the property. But it sounds like food would be a key factor to add to this property. Because he did mention woods and in blocks. I'm not exactly sure, but I think that's more like the shape of the timber that that he thinks about when he looks at the aerial and then with that said, it seems like that's kind of like a big feature, so adding food would be probably pretty key. And then it also sounds like to me that potentially that they don't see a whole lot of buck action until the rut, and if that's the case, it is hard to pattern deer during that time of season, and there's no rhyme or reason to the way they move a lot of times. I mean, there's there are some sub subtly, but generally speaking that the only rhyme you can find is that they're going to go after dough betting and and where the doughs are feeding to. So if you don't have the food, then that's that's a exponentially the problem. 00:05:21 Speaker 3: You know, Ohio is a state I believe that you can put corn on the ground in piles or from feeders, and if food is the issue, or could even be a secondary issue, you don't have to hunt over it if you got some moral obligation you know, against it or whatever. But you still could feed the deer and do that centrally in the property, and that'd be a good way to keep those bucks somewhat on the property. That now they do have to have appropriate betting, you know, and I'm not a big. 00:05:50 Speaker 1: Buck betting guy. 00:05:51 Speaker 3: I don't think you can build specific buck beds and all that, but you might make sure that there's a good spot for those deer to high out. 00:06:01 Speaker 1: If it is. A thousand acres is a pretty good. 00:06:03 Speaker 3: Sized place, and a lot of times on places that big people like to run their ATV's around. So one of the reasons that you might not be seeing bucks consistently is they're getting bumped off there a lot. But the dose don't seem to be as sensitive to that kind of stuff, and you know, you just have a big place, so sooner later there's gonna be some deer on there. So you might look at the non hunting pressure side of things somewhat, which I guess you could still call that hunting pressure, but like I've seen it a lot where you know, guys kind of treat the two tracks as like a highway. And I'm not trying to be critical of JC and his family or friends that are hunting there, but just thoughts, you know that might be happening, and maybe you know, if you're listening, you've had a similar situation. But if you can limit the amount of traffic, vehicle traffic on a place, especially ATVs, because. 00:06:46 Speaker 1: They're loud and obnoxious to deer. 00:06:48 Speaker 3: They mean hunting, you know, like the only thing worse than catching you can do in the Sasquatch walk is driving your full whether by you know, a truck is a little bit different, you know, because a lot of times they're used to ranchers or whatever, and they're just kind of quiet and listen to obtrusive. 00:07:02 Speaker 1: But those are kind of my thoughts on them too. 00:07:04 Speaker 2: You know, a lot of people he's this is a polarizing guy, but his name is Ted Nugent, and I've listened to him one time. Say, so, you're telling me I can't take the corn from the field over here and put it over here. And you know, there's like you were when you said moral problem with the corn it maybe think about that. It's like, you know, it's just kind of using like the most basic of human ingenuity to take the corn from the field and put it a little bit more advantageous for you to kill everything. 00:07:32 Speaker 3: You know, That's right, man, And I mean I don't really have a problem with hunting overbait at all. 00:07:36 Speaker 1: I don't sometimes because it's more fun to do something else. 00:07:38 Speaker 3: But I mean, if you are trying to be efficient with your hunts, you know, and you are working all week and you got well how does the line in the song go working all week? 00:07:56 Speaker 2: That? 00:07:57 Speaker 1: So I don't know that song. 00:07:58 Speaker 3: So anyways, that Oliver Anthony Christ friend Christ. See they know redheads, they stick together. 00:08:09 Speaker 1: It's it's all about him. He was andy for like three days. Man. But yeah, what were we talking about there? 00:08:16 Speaker 3: Oh, if you're trying to be efficient with your hunts, so you know, you got to work all week and you have you know, four hunts on the weekend or five if you're doing good, then you know, like it's probably a pretty good idea to put. 00:08:27 Speaker 1: As many things in your favor as you can. Put a fudge round in your pack and go after. 00:08:31 Speaker 2: Just don't make me pay for him. So I don't know, it's that's that's a good point though. Like, man, if you're listening to this podcast, you probably like to hunt and shoot things, man, And and uh, we can go out and be hikers and nature lovers and stuff like that if you want. But I kind of have, like I have some goals when I go out hunting, and if I'm carrying a weapon. It's usually because I'm trying to shoot something. 00:08:55 Speaker 3: So, uh, you know, we don't have with Texas least this year, and we're gonna have corn on the ground at the Texas Guarantee because you know why we pick the cows. 00:09:04 Speaker 1: That's right. If we didn't, the deer be eating corn elsewhere. I guarantee that. Well. 00:09:10 Speaker 3: Anyways, that we might have even just kind of gone too much of a side trip on your question. 00:09:14 Speaker 2: We did see, but I think we answered it for the most part. But yeah, I think I think those are those things you got to think about. Man, that's a good point about the ATV stuff. You know, like bigger properties can be that way. And also you know with those ATV trails, like people don't want to maybe like to think about this, but those things might just go through some of the best habitat on the place. You know, you think about like some of the problems we had in Arkansas last year where ATVs were driving in the only dry spots around right there on the high ground. So there, you know, where a deer or where you might want to hunt a deer is might have an ATV troil right down the middle of it. So anyway, thanks to think about. We've got a billion questions, so you should probably answer a little faster. 00:09:57 Speaker 1: All right, what are you running cams over? And how long are you leaving them if you're not getting pictures? 00:10:03 Speaker 2: I haven't run one over yet. 00:10:07 Speaker 1: Nice, I almost run over years today. Back here. 00:10:10 Speaker 3: I'd be like nine point turn and turn around back here about your dear feet. But I right now I'm running one camera over corn and it's running the battery dead because it's taking so many pictures because the deer just hammering it. Because we're in the drought. If you're hunting public land, it's a good time of year to go out and maybe find those scrapes that are going to start being active, you know, like the premal licking branches, trails, fence crossings, creek crossings. Those are all things that we would run cameras over this time of year. I just haven't done we really, I mean, have gotten to where we don't run a lot of cameras pre season. It's almost not worth it because those things shed their velvet, and at least where we live around they shed their velvet mid September and around September twenty fifth, they change everything they were doing, and it's hardly worth running a camera now. If you want to move that into October, that's a great time to start thinking about those scrapes and stuff like that, because those things are just gonna start working and work better and better throughout the season. 00:11:11 Speaker 2: Any other thoughts on that, I would say that I have seen some people send me some pictures of deer that have already shed their velvet, and I think that maybe with the drought, these deer just stopped growing earlier because they just weren't eating good nutritious stuff or something maybe I don't know, or maybe just their their velvet got sunband sunburned, you know, or whatever. But anyway, I think that potentially, if you're gonna go like what Casey gave you that number late in September, maybe you can get them out earlier and do decent with deer that have already relocated after the velvet shed. 00:11:48 Speaker 1: But yeah, I would just. 00:11:49 Speaker 2: Emphasize trails as being especially trails headed to food right or trails near betting. They don't have to move far in a lot of places, especially when there's not a drought like we've got. If you're an area that there hasn't been really a drought, then they don't have to move far at all, so it's hard to catch them doing anything. But yeah, right now, trails and scrapes in the near future. 00:12:11 Speaker 3: He asked, when would you move them or I really don't intend on moving cameras too, off when to put them out? We run a lot of cell cameras nowadays, and usually if I'm putting a camera out, I'm actually probably collecting data later in the year with that camera. So like, I don't do a lot of cameras shuffle, but I know in the Upper Midwest that's the thing. 00:12:32 Speaker 1: People do that a lot. 00:12:33 Speaker 3: So I don't really like if you're not getting pictures in it for a couple of nights, just wait about October eighteenth, you'll start getting a few pictures. 00:12:41 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think in the South that's cool. Weather's going to help a lot, all right. Next question is what are some creative ways you found good access for morning hunts? Just don't walk through the bedding the other feeding I guess for the morning hunt. 00:13:03 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's obvious stuff, right, like you can do water access stuff. 00:13:09 Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know. 00:13:10 Speaker 2: One thing for me, like if I'm hunting, this is considering this is September October, mainly focused like stuff that's closer to the road can be good. I think about South Dakota in twenty twenty one. We didn't really have to go far in, but there's so many times that I've been able to access from the road and not have to walk into through a bunch of stuff because you know, those deer, they know they can just sit there and hear cars all day and if it never gets any closer, that doesn't bother them, you know what I mean. So if a car does not get off the road or do something weird and they're just going by, those deer just they see it every day, so it's no big deal. So I think of that as like, you know, being fairly in a true And then also if you can get in early because you're not going very far in, you're hunting close to the road somewhat you can get in front of those deer that are coming back to bed before they get before they get in there, and you mess them up. So I don't know, it's just that that's one creative thought that just hit me right off the bat. 00:14:19 Speaker 3: I guess you're a good guy for this because I've seen you do this a lot where you'll be hunting deer that are feeding here and bedding there, and that'll be like, you know, the distance is x, and you'll walk X times three to get to that spot to go way around where they're at to not mess them up. And I can think of a spot on Texas Public that is kind of like that where the deer feeding on private and they're gonna end up on public to bed that afternoon. And if you want to do it right, you got to walk in from the opposite direction as to what is easy to go do that. So I think it's just in the mornings. It's not about like making sure you're two miles back, but it is about making sure that you're not bumping the deer. Yeah, because here's something I'm starting to think about animals. I haven't thought too much about it in my past, or at least like actively thought about it. But and animals one job is to survive, right. Let's take deer for instance, and learn to an antelope too. And like when we're hunting antelope out there, if they caught you moving at all, which they're very good at, they have no reason to say I'm going to overlook whatever I just saw, and I'm still gonna go that way. And deer are probably a lot like that too, Like if a deer, especially you know, if it's not in the rut or they don't have like one way out of a place or what, because deer don't ever do that anyways. They always have an escape from something. But if you give them any reason at all not to go over there, they're not gonna do it. They're not going to like overcome something to go where they wanted to go. They're just gonna change their plans. So you don't you need to make sure you're not bumping stuff. 00:15:56 Speaker 2: That's right, especially if you want to shoot a big buck. M because me and Eric are watching a video this morning of a two year old buck that came really close to us in Kansas one year, and I got some really cool footag Jeb. He's smelling where we walked into the tree stand off edge of that field the whole time. But he's two years old, so he just lets it be a weird thing. He comes in and even comes in towards our tree and looks and he's like looking through our tree, like where did this person go that's been here in the last couple hours, and then he just walks out and goes away. You know, he didn't just keep following and try to find it, but he was inquisitive enough. A four year old buck just might even just literally run away. 00:16:38 Speaker 1: You know. 00:16:38 Speaker 2: I've seen that happen on ground since So do you have to be very careful? Good question, man? 00:16:43 Speaker 1: All right? Best thing to target going into new public land? 00:16:48 Speaker 3: Yeah, I rancase to answering. 00:16:51 Speaker 1: I'm going to keep on with this. 00:16:53 Speaker 3: The new public land. I think that you need to be at the map we use on X and you need to figure out where you think deer are betting, where you think they're eating, and try to get in between there. That's probably the thing to do now when you once you get on the ground fresh deer sign. I mean it's something that I overlooked for a long time, but honestly I did this last year. Went to a place and it was mid October. Never been there before, and wouldn't you know, there's a lot of fresh rubs. We hang at the tree stand, we see a lot of bucks, you know, like it's it's kind of cut and dry. Now when you start targeting, it's targeting a specific deer. 00:17:33 Speaker 1: It's different. 00:17:34 Speaker 3: Probably I don't do that very often, but you know, when you're looking at a map food where they're going to sleep, and. 00:17:40 Speaker 1: Then when you get on the place fresh deer sign. 00:17:43 Speaker 2: I'd say you might have said it in right order that way at that time, but definitely I usually try to find food that's close enough that I think deer will destinate there, and then I can find from there I can figure out if there's betting options for them, and how far they are from the food, and how far they are from the parking lot, and that'll that'll give me a good idea if that's a place that's worth. 00:18:12 Speaker 1: Putting a blue ribbon on or not. All right, what happened to the podcast? Why no more? Yeah? Why? Norm? Why no more episodes of podcasts? M? It's a question. 00:18:26 Speaker 2: I don't know, but probably because we've they've probably asked that because we missed a week. Maybe I don't know, but you're listening here. There is a podcast you can hear us. 00:18:37 Speaker 1: Yeah, Strategy for Extreme Heat in Canada. So like what sixty degrees? 00:18:45 Speaker 2: I mean, I know, I know, global warming, it's climate change now whatever, So which is funny? So man, you know I've never hunted Canada. I'd like to. I've hunted some kind of northerly states that feel like Canada. The better go before the outlawed up there. I mean, I don't think they will let me unless I spend a lot of money with the outfitter. 00:19:14 Speaker 1: But's right, you have to have an outfitter, right. 00:19:16 Speaker 2: I think so, yes, So anyway, I would say the strategies would be very similar, like anywhere there's extreme heat. I mean, ninety five in Canada might be extreme heat and one hundred and ten would be extreme heat here, you know, or whatever. So I'd say water as potentially a thing. I would say that betting must be like some sometimes you can find here that will bed and sage flats or something like that, you know, or something that's kind of a shorter, you know, bush or whatever. And I would say, if there's not shade, then there's probably not deer there when it's extremely hot for that location. So either bigger trees or some sort of evergreen like a cedar or a pine up there or something like that, or spruce up there, anything green food source wise probably would be what they would that would be. 00:20:21 Speaker 3: One of my main points is I just still don't trust hunting water sources. 00:20:27 Speaker 1: I'm not a huge truster either. 00:20:29 Speaker 3: I know that Tony Peterson is all about it and he kills deer on it, but he's very patient, I think too, and so like sooner or later deer will show up. And I think that you have to differentiate between are you in extreme drought or extreme heat hot or is it a time where for the past month it's been drier than usual, And I think if you are an extreme drought, deer are easier to kill. In an extreme yeah, I think they're concentrated. I think they have to move to find food, and it's not always the funnest hunt, but it is sometimes easier to kill deer if you know where they're at, because they have to move to go do stuff. Now, if it's just an extremely hot day in a normal climate, like it's probably pretty tough. You know, they just will hold until it's later. I mean you can look at trail cameras right now, and on the really hot days, usually the deer are moving later, and on the normal hot days they're kind of out. So I think that would be a differentiating thing. But the green food source, I think is a thing. I think to go back to the water versus green food. I think that deer don't drink water every day, and sometimes they might I don't know, but I think that they eat green stuff every day for sure, and they get a lot of water from that. So if you can find the green food, it's probably a better thing than the water. 00:21:45 Speaker 2: Yeah, there was something else that's gonna add I can't I can't remember what it was. Yeah, I can't remember. That's we gave a lot of stuff there though. I think so there's some options, man, I mean, kill them, Oh, that that was it. If it's just mentioned that they might come out last night because it's just in a hot day, you know, And so I'd say, like if you do the therm cell thing or whatever, it's probably pretty ideal because you need to hang in the stand as long as possible. 00:22:16 Speaker 1: What boots do y'all wear? We're a lot of different types of boots, I think. 00:22:22 Speaker 3: For if you want to say, like for most of deer season, wear a lacrosse it's like the Alpha Agility. I think that's right. It's a rubber boot that has a lot of neoprene. It's pretty lightweight. Usually wear no insulation. Yeah, and then I've got some crispy somethings that I wore an little punting, and I've got some other lacrosse. 00:22:49 Speaker 1: Boots that I wear. 00:22:51 Speaker 2: I wear Lacrosse load Stars a lot when i know I'm not gonna encounter water. And then the same thing. Alpha agilities is what I usually hunt a lot in during the season. 00:23:00 Speaker 3: Yeah, if you want me to stand behind something that alpha but agility. 00:23:03 Speaker 1: I like the heck kind of it. 00:23:04 Speaker 2: And here's the thing, guys, is like, there's there are products that are built really tough, uh and rugged, and they are but products that are built light and fast, and there's those things usually almost never can actually fully cross. People can market it that way, but it's not really that way most of the time. These Alpha agilities are really really nice. 00:23:27 Speaker 1: Uh. 00:23:28 Speaker 2: But they are a neoprene top, so you know, just like a duck waiter, you can get a hole in them. 00:23:34 Speaker 3: Yeah, I had one tear last year, but I'm hard on. 00:23:36 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're I mean we hunt a lot too, and I mean they're just as comfort I can walk a mile back in them and not have any issues them for. 00:23:49 Speaker 1: Anymore. Yeah, I could. 00:23:50 Speaker 2: I could get a new one, but I'm not. I'm just cheap, but you know they're awesome. 00:24:18 Speaker 1: Where are the big deer? Uh? 00:24:21 Speaker 3: Well, I can't remember the law, I never can remember it. But the further north you go, the bigger the animals get. That's uh, It's like Murphy's principle or something like that. So as far north as you can get, the white till exists. It would be a good a good answer for that. And then there are certain states that it's really hard to get a tag in and. 00:24:40 Speaker 1: Those are other good places. Rule. Yeah, yeah, that's that's it, man. 00:24:48 Speaker 2: The yeah, I mean you can kind of see what the what the department's management techniques are if it's an opportunity. It's just like in the Western stuff, like they may on a unit by unit basis a lot of times, but sometimes state wide too. And you know, Colorado is managed on they want you, they want as many people behind elk as possible, and there's only a few there's only a couple of units where like people might take twenty thirty years to draw and shoot a big one, but the rest of them are a lot of them are managed just to shoot you know, nice bulls or smaller bulls. Arizona is a little different, like it's I mean even some of their mid tier units might take you ten plus years. 00:25:29 Speaker 1: You know, so unless you apply for a cow tech, then you get to shoot a big then you shoot a big old layers on a cow first time. Yeah. 00:25:37 Speaker 2: So, but that's the same way with white tails. You know, they're going to different states will manage differently. You know, Oklahoma manages so that a lot of people can shoot nice bucks, but not you know, you don't typically see a ton of just giants coming out historically speaking from Oklahoma, there are big bucks, right, but they're in every state. And that's the thing that's the beauty of white tails. A big elk, he just can't hide, you know what i mean. He's like literally can be in the heel of wilderness right and be found by somebody and get shot by the governor's tag or whatever. A big white tail can live in a city park and nobody even gives two cents about him his whole life, you know, and he could be shot potentially, but he's not going to get shot because nobody cares about him in that area. 00:26:24 Speaker 3: We love to dream about them city bucks, man, I'm telling there's some nice ones there are. I mean, that's that's the thing though, I mean, I guess that's if that would answer part of his question is like, hey man, maybe an urban you know, you see the SEQ one guys shoot a bunch of urban big giant deer, and it's because those deer live without people pursuing them for most of their lives. And then also it's tough, right, it's tough to get permission or whatever they might do, or you know, find a place that you can actually shoot that deer on, even for the guys who are chasing that deer. So yeah, I think you know, I don't know what state you're in, but if you feel like you're in a state that there aren't big deer, it's worth traveling to go see if you can find some. 00:27:07 Speaker 1: Because there are states. 00:27:08 Speaker 3: I mean, our state's huge, right, but we live in a part of the state where there aren't really a big deer. So it's worth traveling around and you'll a lot of times you'll learn a lot about where big deer do live. 00:27:18 Speaker 1: When you do that kind of stuff too. 00:27:19 Speaker 2: You look at the bone and Crockett map that I'll help you and make decisions too. 00:27:23 Speaker 1: Do you guys ke in on food or betting more this time of year. 00:27:27 Speaker 2: Really food probably for me, like I can if the food sits in the right spot and it's the right type of food, I can probably find where some deer will be. And if I do that three or four times, I can find a buck that's a shooter buck probably you know, in one of those spots. 00:27:44 Speaker 3: It's really like the line between the two things. You know, you're trying to set up in the most advantageous place for you as a hunter, between where the deer spend its day and where it's going to spend it's night. 00:27:58 Speaker 1: But the food is a. 00:27:59 Speaker 3: Lot of east easier to figure out and probably a lot more important because most of the time there's one good food source or you know, or a destination. 00:28:08 Speaker 1: But that deer might can bed a hundred place. 00:28:10 Speaker 2: Yeah, deer needs like eight square feet to hide, you know exactly. 00:28:13 Speaker 3: So the food is the thing you find the first you find first. 00:28:16 Speaker 2: You make a good point though, about setting up in between, right, and I didn't think about it. I was thinking about it from a scouting standpoint, but from a from a setup standpoint generally speaking, if that's what you're talking about, uh, you would want to set up closer. Uh, if you don't know where it's betting, you want to set up closer to that food source in the evenings, and then if you can figure out where it's betting, you can hunt mornings and set up closer to the betting in that situation. 00:28:39 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's. 00:28:40 Speaker 3: That Actually is a good thing to bring up, man, because uh, you don't want to hunt any evening. Well you could, and it might would work out for you. People shoot deer with with soybeans in their mouth, right, But most of the time a big buck is going to arrive at the food source, usually later, maybe even after shooting lights. So it's good to kind of push in a little bit, you know, backtrack from that food. 00:29:00 Speaker 1: If it can spot. I might shoot one with beans in its mouth this year. That'd be cool. I'm gonna try it, dude, it'd be awesome. 00:29:06 Speaker 3: Man. Would you watch some videos from some of the real tree guys or whatever in there out there at four point thirty with deer in the field just eating out foulf looks. 00:29:14 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna try to make that happen. Let's do it. Is there plenty of public to hunt in Texas? 00:29:22 Speaker 3: No, what depends on if you're trying to hunt doves, then yeah, for real, some places, uh, I mean there's plenty for the amount of people that are doing it, But I wouldn't say that it's a destination. 00:29:35 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not like there's other places where you'd have more space for sure. I mean I've hunted. I've hunted, uh second week in November in Iowa and seen nobody. Yeah on public Yeah, that doesn't happen in Texas. 00:29:51 Speaker 3: No. I would say, like, if you're wanting to come, try it, do it. But uh, if if I'm speaking like logically to you and not I'm not trying to mislead you and tell you don't come to Texas. But literally, if you're in another state, don't make Texas a public land destination because you're you could be more efficient with your money. 00:30:10 Speaker 2: Also, if you have some sort of private connection or just a little extra dime to spend on some private permission in Texas, that is certainly the way to go. Oh yeah, but you know it goes back to like the the uh you know, shit, can I move the corn over there and hunt? And you I mean, if you got a problem with that, and you if you got a problem with if you want to hunt and make it harder on yourself by hunting public land and give yourself a challenge because you're, you know, so good a hunter or whatever it might be, or you're just if you're bored or whatever, then go do it. 00:30:47 Speaker 1: I mean, for sure, go give it a try. 00:30:49 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just it's just to me at this point, I get a little bit frustrated when you know, I walk into a spot that's a really good spot that a map scouted or something, and there's a tree stand in there and a camera that's taking my picture, and it just feels like a dude was in here two days ago on Saturday, you know what I mean. So or just plain and simple, like we had a dude that killed a deer in a spot the day before we hunted it, and then he came in and got his stand the next morning while we were in there at seven fifty in the morning. You know, messes your whole I mean, And when you get up at four in the morning or three in the morning and it hurts you. Man, it's not fun like. And of course stuff can happen on private but it is just way less likely. Tips for hunting early season mornings. I use a three blade mechanical. 00:31:41 Speaker 1: That is given man vast keep on. I'm gonna keep early season mornings. 00:31:46 Speaker 4: Uh. 00:31:46 Speaker 3: We kind of covered a little bit of that earlier, but I think it's, uh, don't bomp the fields or the food sources when you're trying to go in where you're gonna hunt, y'all, if you listen often or you watch stuff, you know that. I actually really like mornings in there early season because you get a lot more cooler time of day in the early season in the morning, So I think be patient, especially if you're in the cover, Like sometimes it takes them a little while to get somewhere. Do you either move fast or slow? That's like how they do stuff right, unless it's the rut and their cruising. They're either like getting somewhere in the morning early season or they're like just lackademically walking back and it might it might be nine o'clock before they end up where you're at. And in fact, sometimes they're waiting on the morning thermals to kick in before they actually get move to a place. 00:32:36 Speaker 1: So you got to let that sun get. 00:32:37 Speaker 3: Up so that you know they'll have a consistent wind and know kind of where they need to go for the day. So I think that would be one of my big things is to be patient. 00:32:46 Speaker 1: Yeah, how to find potential buck betting while e scouting a property. 00:32:53 Speaker 2: Tyler, you're the best at this. So September and October, I mean kind of goes back to earlier what I am answered. Here's the thought first before I say this. Buck betting is a term that is used often in the last couple of years, and man, buck betting south of the Mason Dixon is maybe a little bit of a farce or something like that. You know, it's like they can happen. There can be a buck that beds in a certain location like five days a week. 00:33:32 Speaker 1: You know what. 00:33:32 Speaker 2: It can happen, But it just we don't see it often. And I think that when you hear the term buck betting, a lot of times you hear it or it originated from somebody who is very far north. In the US, A lot of times are pretty far north, which ends up meaning that if you don't hunt that area, then it may not apply to you. And those those areas are a lot of times in hill country or have a different elevation and changes and or there in marshes where there's only so much dry ground to bet on, and if it's not, if you don't live in hill country or in a marsh, then those are two places, you know, those are kind of the two places that I think of buck betting. I think more in terms of deer betting. And then you can sometimes you can observe or sit as an observation sit to figure out if there is a buck that is betting in that area. But for instance, like I mean, this is this is far north, but it's not a marsh and it's not hill country. But in South Dakota last year, if you watched buck truck on the Mediator Channel, you saw me bed a buck and go in and hunt him and shoot him that evening. But guess what the evening before, Eric and I sat in the same place and saw two bucks, including a small one but one that was bigger than the one I even shot, both come out of that area in where they were betted, and we did not see either one of those the entire next day, from the time the sun came up to the sun went down, and we only were gone from there for a couple hours eating lunch, and so there were nowhere to be found. So you could call it buck betting, because there were some bucks betting back in there, but there was also does betting back in there. The first one that came out that the evening I shot was a doe, And so it's really I think people need to just make sure and understand that like finding a buck's particular bead and just hunting that buck might be just a dream that happens every once in a while if you don't hunt in the right area or whatever, and it might even be you know, it might even be a little bit of hyperbole when you hear about it. So I guess my point is that's my big disclaimer to say, find deer betting and the way to do that. Typically, I like to see if you're looking for bucks too, especially, I like to see a place that the food source is far enough away from from a road that they would feel comfortable at least well, and then you have to be that far from the road. Actually, uh, if you want to shoot them close to the food source, then then it does. But otherwise, if it's the right food source, they'll destinate there and then from that food source. 00:36:22 Speaker 1: Typically, like. 00:36:25 Speaker 2: I don't know, quarter mile anywhere up to close to a mile from that food source, an area that's very remote, far from parking, far from at human activity, and potentially has like some sort of water that can grow brush around it. 00:36:42 Speaker 1: I'm I'm on that further. 00:36:45 Speaker 3: Sorry that takes so long, man, It's okay. I was falling, I was tracking. I have a little theory I developed while you were doing this. All right, you're talking about this because I was looking on the map today for buck betting on a place that we hunt, and trails are going to show you that a lot of times, especially talking about bed to food, if you can look on the map and find trails, you're gonna be able to find places that deer are betting because you'll see these places that the trails kind of spiderweb into and then they don't leave from the other side, right, so you know those deers staying in that area. And I think that especially Bucks, but deer in general, they kind of reset every night or every morning every day, so like they only know what goes on in their world from what they perceive. 00:37:35 Speaker 1: And I think that Bucks. This is I'm gonna have to. 00:37:38 Speaker 3: Follow this throughout the year as a theory, but I think that bucks like to cover more distance so that they can perceive more about their area and know what's going on in their area, you know what I mean. 00:37:52 Speaker 1: Like a buck preparation for the rut. 00:37:53 Speaker 3: You're saying even in the day, like you know, you can think about it like in a rut situation. The reason bucks are cruising is because wherever they were, they didn't have what they wanted. So they are going and taking in more stimulus from other areas, right, And so even in a bed to food early season pattern, bucks are liable to want to cover more distance so they'll know what Kyoti is in the area, what hunters have been through there, what other bucks have walked through there, Where do the doughs go? However, they think right, But I think that they very well because I've always been like, man, there's no rhyme or reason as to like why deer covers so much ground. You know, like some states we go, there'll be a food source and then these deer walk by a whole bunch of good habitat to go bet over in that place. 00:38:41 Speaker 1: It's like what are the d You'd be like, why are they? Why are they doing that? 00:38:49 Speaker 3: And I think it's just because the more ground they cover, the better they feel about their surroundings. So there might be something to that to think about targeting buck betting. 00:39:00 Speaker 1: Dude. 00:39:00 Speaker 2: Even on a micro level, you think about like the jayhook into a bad situation. It's like the deer comes into scent check, right, he's trying to learn more about that area before he beds in it. 00:39:11 Speaker 1: Yeah, so exactly. 00:39:12 Speaker 3: So if he has to make a big old loop from where he's betting, you know, go up a ridge and then drop into a field where it has a canal along the side of it, and he walks that whole thing to get to the food, well he's done figured out who's in the neighborhood, whereas like if he beds right on the edge of it, he didn't really know what's going on except for what he can see. 00:39:31 Speaker 1: Day coment deer cool man, they are man. That was a long win to answer. It was. Sorry, when do you all switch focus from water to pinch points? 00:39:43 Speaker 3: So if we're talking about early season, probably, I bet I am almost always thinking about pinch points. 00:39:54 Speaker 1: Now. 00:39:55 Speaker 3: You know, pinch points in the rut are a little more effective, get it right, But you think about the dew you shot in south Cootal last year. You're still kind of hunting a pinch point even though there's water there, right, I mean, yeah there. 00:40:10 Speaker 2: I mean I wouldn't say who was forced to where I was at, but it's either walking the open or walking there the next to the tree line. 00:40:18 Speaker 3: It's like, it's kind of common sense, and I'm not this great question, but it's kind of common sense that at one point in my life I spent a lot of time in the woods not seeing deer, and then I decided, you know, kind of in the back of my mind, I'm gonna hunt a pinch point every time, and you start seeing deer because they have to be pinched. So like, if you want to have efficient hunts, hunt a pinch point every time in some sense of the word, and you'll probably see and encounter more deer. 00:40:45 Speaker 1: Man. 00:40:45 Speaker 2: It's and it's it's really like I think there may be something there too, where like you hunt pinch points a lot too, because when you're pre scouting on on X, like your whole mentality is when you're really to narrow down your spots, you've got like a bunch of them on the map. You're like, which one do I go to first? You're wanting to go to the one where you can shoot one of the bow and for a bow hunter, it's typically like I need to be able to shoot forty yards way and forty yards the other way, like one hundred yard pinch. It gives me a lot of chance there, you know. 00:41:18 Speaker 3: Do you think about some of the places that we've hunted in more open states. You'll sometimes sit up and be like, Dad, gummt, I'm just like taking out a swath and he could walk over there, or he could walk over there anywhere he wants to. 00:41:31 Speaker 1: And then you'll sit there and just watch deer all night and not have any shots. You know. 00:41:35 Speaker 3: So it's like those pinch points are where it's at. 00:41:37 Speaker 1: They are man and we've seen it in. 00:41:40 Speaker 2: Texas when we hunt on public there's a place that we had a lot of good encounters last year actually, and I think about this area. It's very flat, right, There's a reason that nobody killed in that area because it's very flat. Much to pinch them. There's a bunch of deer in there though, because you know it does. And so it's like eventually the odds are you'll run into one. But when you go out of state, you got like five days much time do you have? That's exactly right. 00:42:10 Speaker 3: Manage your expectations and put yourself in the best situation possible. 00:42:16 Speaker 1: What am I doing wrong? Only go only got deer on camera at night? On public land? 00:42:24 Speaker 2: You're not close enough to where they're betting. That's the plane and simple of it. You're And here's the thing that's fun about public sometimes because if you were, if this was you on private land, you're probably toast. Yeah, public you have you have places like generally speaking, you have a way to find these deer or get closer to where they're betting, because you have thousands of acres a lot. 00:42:52 Speaker 1: Of times, and so. 00:42:54 Speaker 2: I would this is so let's just think about the first nice buck I ever chased on Texas public land. We called him teenager, and I found him at night close to a food source, and I was able to go he's coming from that direction. So I'm gonna move a camera to my next that direction a couple hundred yards and see if I can pick him up on my next idea of a pinch point or whatever. Right, didn't find him, move the camera again to a different direction in you know, same direction, general direction he came from, but just a different place that there was a pinch point a couple hundred yards from that and blow and behold, he's on there in daylight a bunch for the like in February, in. 00:43:35 Speaker 1: January, right off the season. 00:43:37 Speaker 2: And so that's the way to do it, essentially, in my opinion, is just find out which way these deer coming from and just start backtracking down those trails and you can you can do it as small increments as you want, but that's I mean, if you really want to narrow down where they're betting, that's that's where it's at. And it's not that you don't stand a chance. You just might have to make wait till the rut if you want to hunt where your camera is. There's there's two other things that I thought about in that situation too. There's a chance you haven't found their most limited resource because that's probably the thing they're going to go to first. So whether that is food or water or you know, if it's the rut, doze, whatever it might be, there's a chance that you are just not quite on the thing that they want to be at, because deer will meander throughout the night and go try to eat this or whatever, and you might be getting some of that. The other thing is that you just might not be in good enough cover, because deer will daylight in places. 00:44:33 Speaker 3: They feel comfortable in. But then, you know, we all know this. You drive down the road at night and you see deer in the in the road ditches because they have something to eat. 00:44:41 Speaker 1: But it's the cover of darkness. 00:44:43 Speaker 3: They feel comfortable, right, So you probably just in a place that they don't feel comfortable during the day. I'd say, bail off in the cover and find a place to put your camera at in there. 00:44:52 Speaker 1: Yeah, good thoughts, Angel says, take me a question, Mark. 00:44:57 Speaker 3: Angel, you know what you get to Proverbably, man, I missed the word of proverbially. 00:45:06 Speaker 1: Go with us everywhere we go via. 00:45:08 Speaker 3: The Element YouTube channel and the media channel on the Buck Truck series, which, by the way, the final three episodes of Buck Truck are going to launch the first week of October. 00:45:17 Speaker 2: I would not make any bold predictions here, but I would say that the latest on the street is last week of September, first week of October. 00:45:29 Speaker 1: Well, there's a couple more episodes. 00:45:31 Speaker 3: Excuse me, that's excited about it? 00:45:34 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we are excited about it. We are. Actually, yeah, those episodes are really cool. But here's the thing, guys is. 00:45:42 Speaker 2: There's I think I've addressed this, but there's not a buck Truck formally buck Truck series coming out this year. So what that allows us to do is get a lot more stuff out to you, a lot quicker and potentially, I mean you need to be subscribed to the Element channel because there's going to be very potentially a lot of deer hunting videos coming out on the Element Channel. 00:46:05 Speaker 3: Gentry, let's go. It's gonna be on there quite a bit. Yeah. 00:46:09 Speaker 1: Uh, there is a question where's the buck truck heading this fall? 00:46:12 Speaker 3: Uh, well, it might be headed to your driveway if you'd like to purchase the buck truck. 00:46:16 Speaker 1: Reach Out should have put it in that house of oddities. Yeah, we should have been a pretty good deal man. Uh Man, I wish that's a good thought. I wish we thought just hit me, But. 00:46:32 Speaker 3: They would have wanted me to donate it at that point, is the only one to do. So the buck Truck's heading a lot of places. The next place it is headed is New Mexico. 00:46:44 Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, first year Hunting Oklahoma on opening day gonna be hotter than what he's used to any. 00:47:11 Speaker 1: Tips, i'd wear minimal amounts of clothing. I would too. 00:47:16 Speaker 2: But actually, so this would be a great question for our buddy Brian, who you've heard and seen on some of the podcasts and such. Brian is a very big proponent of using the first light leafy sue with nothing on underneath. 00:47:30 Speaker 3: It's However, I feel as if if you're gonna hike in, there might be a little rub involved with that, so you might want to be careful on that deal. But yeah, I think that would be it. Don't try to not sweat, because you're not going to. You just have to make sure and just be real mindful of the wind. And I don't really I don't know if you smell any worse if you sweat, whether or if you don't. I think do you're smell you the same? Yeah, you know what I mean. Yeah, I think it's over emphasize the sweat thing. Yeah, I think it's just the way it is. 00:47:58 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I would just probably where I don't know where, something that. 00:48:03 Speaker 3: Keeps you cool. The trade stuff, man, trace stuff. I like that stuff a lot. Yeah, if it's. 00:48:07 Speaker 1: Real humid, you're gonna be hot no matter what. 00:48:09 Speaker 3: But that trade stuff if it's you know, if you got any breeze or dry stuff at all, that stuff works. 00:48:14 Speaker 1: It really does. Mass it's pretty cool stuff. And there's there's zips man, you can get some ventilation. That's right, dude, Yeah, hip zips. Yeah. For early season trees stand hunting. Do you favor morning or evening sits? M I'm an evening guy like year round. But it doesn't mean that I don't like morning. 00:48:33 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm mornings more in the early season, I think, uh, evenings. I mean they're both great if you feel good about your setup, but evenings are a good time to uh if you're in a place where you can make moves on deer to maybe not be in a tree. 00:48:48 Speaker 1: I like. 00:48:48 Speaker 2: I like evenings because I like to be able to see as an access and get real sneaky and get up in there and get them killed. 00:48:56 Speaker 1: It's a good point too. Is there spots you avoid in the mornings? And do you panic if you're running late? Case doesn't. I could sure. 00:49:04 Speaker 3: I mean I couldn't live if I pang out late. Uh now the run of late thing. I do run late sometimes, but it's not always a lot of times the run late because there's like just circumstances, right, Like Eric and I the other day we were we had like a great plan and then there was trucks there and it ruined it. Panicing, right, But I think for sure we've we've hit it a few times. But it's worth saying, uh, I avoid the food sources in the morning. Do not do not go and bump to your off a field. 00:49:35 Speaker 2: Yeah, so even close to the food source, because as you're going in, deer might be seeing the first light even better than you are, and they're they're leaving the field and working their way back slowly, so you might be three hundred yards in the field and still be So that's where like doing those loops and stuff might be a pretty good idea. 00:49:56 Speaker 1: This is from timber Ninja. Have you tried the gualk How do you? I don't know. 00:50:04 Speaker 2: I don't eat that trash man my kids journey. Have you tried the guacamole? 00:50:08 Speaker 1: Tackies? Talkies? Talkies guacamole? Oh? Good? 00:50:15 Speaker 2: What's wrong with talkies? That's right disgusting? Oh are they good? Wells approved? 00:50:26 Speaker 1: Yeah? All right. What what's the most important thing to consider for early season, hunts Man, is this. 00:50:36 Speaker 2: I mean, that's a very general and broad question. But if you're thinking about white tail tactics, white tail tactics wise, we just go back to what we said with the finding the food sort. I think that's exactly it. 00:50:53 Speaker 3: I mean, at that time of the year, the deer don't have anything else in their minds except living. 00:50:57 Speaker 2: Yeah, so then and part of that living that time of year in a lot of places is fat reserves that they're so they literally it's not even like it's not even like they're just you know, eating because they're hungry. 00:51:13 Speaker 1: It's not maintaining. 00:51:14 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like we're they're they're eating so much food, especially up North Man, like those deer are fat, fat in September. 00:51:21 Speaker 3: Man, I think maybe that then there's something to that. To get a little bit deeper. Early season, you're gonna do the same thing every day until something bumps them or they change their pattern because you know, they start to feel a little ruddy or whatever. So maybe if you want something a different answer than food, it's go in to kill. Don't go in and bump them because you're kind of halfway working or whatever, because you're gonna mess up the pattern, Like there is a a lot of times there's a just set up pattern as long as they haven't been messed with, and if you pick the right day, you can go kill them. 00:51:56 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:51:56 Speaker 2: I would say Also if you're thinking about like early October, uh, you grind it into deer one time. So uh, even on those patterns when you start getting just in October and that start getting cooler, it's not a bad idea if you throw out the hell mailor your grunt call, because it can work. 00:52:13 Speaker 1: I think it did that day. What is the best method for spot and stock in thick timber with a bow, no saddle, I'd. 00:52:24 Speaker 3: Say just be super quiet and slow mm hmm, and try to uh work the opposite direction that deer are working. And if you could, if you can see a deer before it sees you and get real steel. 00:52:43 Speaker 1: Then you can shoot it. Yeah. 00:52:45 Speaker 2: I mean I think you're gonna have you go back to the food source, saying you're gonna have to do travel to a food source from betting area. And then a lot of times maybe even uh, they they like that spot because they're going into the wind. So maybe you use like that ninety degree rule that we talk about where you're working kind of across the wind trying to get into those deer. Right, and then, like Casey said, I don't think you can work slow enough almost, I mean three small quiet steps and glass. 00:53:21 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I almost want to change my answer. I don't think you can spot in stalk deer in the timber. You can still hunt, yeah, which is probably people use that a little bit synonymously, but they're two different things, right. Spotting stalk is like you see it and then you walk in range and shoot it, and you could do it I shouldn't say camp, but it is not very effective. Still hunting, I think is the way to do it for sure. Yeah, like, once you're like on a deer, let them come to you. 00:53:48 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:53:48 Speaker 2: I kind of assumed that, Yeah, that's what he meant. But yeah, that's what I was saying is basically you're still hunting, which is very very slow stalking through the woods essentially, and you just want to glass. That's as much as possible, I think, because even in the woods, you're looking at stuff one hundred yards plus sometimes and it's maybe just a couple of gaps, but you gotta be able to see that deer as soon as he is within your sight, Otherwise he's going to see you. 00:54:14 Speaker 1: How do you approach getting to hunt a new piece of land you didn't get to scout beforehand. I feel like you have to start on X. I mean I would. 00:54:26 Speaker 2: I would for sure, even if I mean even if it was like, oh, well, you know, there's a truck in your spot and you don't have any you know, plan bees, I mean, I'm going I'm going straight to on X. Or if somebody was like, hey, I'm gonna helicopter drop you off bear grill style in this spot. I guess I don't know how else this happens, but I'm as soon as I hit the ground, I'm on on X. And so the first thing I'm doing. I don't know if this is like an E scout QUI or not, but that is how I'm scouting. And I'm basically using just my experience and knowledge hunting over the whole course of my life for the last over twenty five years, to make assumptions about where deer will be based off of what time of year it is, what the temperatures are, and what other resources are in the area. Thinking about the limited resource that Casey talked about and making assumptions, and then from there it's just going and doing what Case's taught me the last several years and just seeing everything with your eyes all at once, you know, asking the question why all the time. 00:55:40 Speaker 1: It's a good point. 00:55:40 Speaker 3: We got us to Texas, dear lease this year, and the guy we at least from had a couple of different places that we could choose from, and he's kind of old school, and I was like, can you send me pens to all those places? 00:55:53 Speaker 1: And he could, but. 00:55:54 Speaker 3: He was like kind of taking back if that's what I wanted, And I didn't want pictures from his phone that he seens like, no, I want to be able to look at it on the map. And so I think that that's exactly the right thing. And then once you establish the place that you're going to that you probably need to just there's like a fork in the road and you need to decide if you're gonna trophy hunt. 00:56:15 Speaker 1: Or if you're gonna deer hunt. 00:56:16 Speaker 3: If you're gonna trophy hunt, I would say, put a bunch. 00:56:19 Speaker 1: Of cameras on that thing. 00:56:20 Speaker 3: That's that would be the thing to do to figure out what is the biggest deer on the property and like what and make like a hit list and do the whole thing right, Or if you're just trying to deer hunt, have fun, go out there, use your woodsmanship, set up and shoot a deer. That's kind of I think that might be another thing that's on. There's like you need to decide how you're going to approach the property. 00:56:41 Speaker 2: Yeah, trying to shoot the big deer, trophy hunting and stuff, you might play a little more conservative even in your scouting. 00:56:48 Speaker 1: You know, on the ground scouting. There's nothing wrong with in season scouting either finding signs during the seasons. 00:56:53 Speaker 2: Yeah, like you're talking about like crop circles and stuff. 00:56:57 Speaker 1: Or two questions, Oh my goodness, what's your preferred spine for arrows? Heavy or more flexible? Okay, so. 00:57:09 Speaker 3: The person who's asking this question seems like they're trying to dabble into kind of the deeper parts of archery, which is like aero building and set ups and tuning. 00:57:18 Speaker 1: And all that. 00:57:20 Speaker 3: I'm going to try to approach this like in a how do you say this? I'm not trying to tell you that you're dumb or anything, right, but that there's not really a thing called preferred spine spine is the stiffness of the arrow in relation to your bows set up, and it's pretty much a set number depending on point weight, drawweight, and draw length. So like there's not really a preferred spine. But I think what you're trying to get at is maybe like arrow weight, because spine is different than that. 00:57:56 Speaker 1: Spine is a stiffness. 00:57:57 Speaker 3: There are light, very stiff air and there are heavy, very stiff arrows, and there are light flexible arrows, and there are lighter and there are. 00:58:06 Speaker 1: Heavy flexible arrows. 00:58:08 Speaker 3: Okay, So don't think that spine means weight because they're two different scales, right, It's just think of it like a plastic straw and a piece of spaghetti, Right, They're probably about the same weight, but that piece of spaghetti is a lot higher spine than the plastic straw does. Okay, So in general we all end up shooting a heavier spined arrow because we all of us shoot seventy pounds. Eric and I are like twenty eight inch straw eight twenty and a half, Tyler's twenty nine and a half, So like we need a heavier spined arrow. If you are a shorter draw length, you're going to want a lighter spine because for one thing, your arrow is shorter, and a lot of times you're not putting out as much energy from your bow because of that. So I think all that to say, don't think of spine something that's adjustable. You pretty much are set at a certain spine for your setup. Now, to answer the question I think this person is asking, uh, do I prefer heavier or lighter setups? I like to air a little bit on the heavier side in most situations for white tail, because I just like to be able to shoot whatever broadhead I want to and now I'm gonna punch through the animal. Did oh. 00:59:26 Speaker 1: Hell? 00:59:26 Speaker 3: But it's not that Tyler can't, but he just doesn't really care to clog his mind with a lot of that information that I can. 00:59:35 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just yeah, very similar, Like shoot heavier case. She's a little bit heavier than I do, but I would consider it a heavier arrow. And I would give the advice that you can go to your local archery shop and they give you at least a decent idea what's your spine shot? 00:59:52 Speaker 3: It's a great point, dude, Like go to a reputable archery shop and like if you if you don't want to have to mess with that stuff. 01:00:00 Speaker 1: You don't have to yep, ye, all right, last question, favorite movie of all time? Well, I've got three to choose from watched. 01:00:09 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Oh that's a tough one though, I don't know, man uh oh was it Specter by Golden or James Bond uh Spector series or from the James Bond series. The Spector movie I think is that the one that opens up with that epic like multi storied building scene. 01:00:32 Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, I watched it. 01:00:34 Speaker 2: That scene, that opening scene of Specter, I think it is was insane. 01:00:40 Speaker 1: That was I think? 01:00:40 Speaker 2: Was that Daniel Craig's first I. 01:00:44 Speaker 1: Never watched to Daniel Craig James Bond, They're good. 01:00:47 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was weird because I grew up with Pierce Brosen, and that was like, dude, he is James James Bond, like like his name is not actually Pierce Brosen. Right, Yeah, but that that was a good one for sure. But I don't know. 01:01:00 Speaker 1: Sandlot's up there for me. 01:01:03 Speaker 3: Yeah, Eric, you're gonna have to answer this question too, so think about yours. 01:01:06 Speaker 1: Well, he just said mine, So. 01:01:07 Speaker 3: Sand Lots yet, No, not a Cardinals in the outfield or whatever it's called. 01:01:12 Speaker 1: It's moneyball or sand lots. 01:01:14 Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go, there you go. 01:01:15 Speaker 1: I never watched Moneyball, man. 01:01:17 Speaker 3: That's that's a hard thing for me to answer too, because I really liked, uh, Two Towers, which was the second in the Lord of Lord of the Rings trilogy, and then uh, probably Revenge of the Sith, which is episode three of Star Wars. It's in the prequels, episode three. I like Fantasy if you can't till so. Yeah, And to tell you what, dude, it's kind of a cliche answer, but Avatar, the first one was bad to the bone, like I. 01:01:46 Speaker 1: Saw it out of imask. Yeah, it was awesome too. 01:01:49 Speaker 3: It wasn't like it was the best movie, but the special effects or whatever you know, animation was just insane. 01:01:55 Speaker 1: Right. 01:01:55 Speaker 3: So I don't know, those are my off the cuff answers. 01:01:58 Speaker 1: I think that's it. 01:02:00 Speaker 5: Yeah, you didn't answer well Moneyball or saying hardball, Well, heartball is good. 01:02:06 Speaker 1: What about the Rookie? Do you like the rookie? All right? 01:02:09 Speaker 2: Angels in the outfield or Cardinals the outfield? 01:02:12 Speaker 1: Yeah? What about? Uh? 01:02:13 Speaker 3: What about what's the Robert Redford baseball movie? 01:02:17 Speaker 1: I like that? One a lot. I don't think I know, and it's like Natural, the Natural. Yeah, that was good. 01:02:25 Speaker 3: And then Kevin Costner had a couple of good baseball movies. What was the name of the see Field of Dreams is my least favorite of those? I liked Bull Durham a lot. And then there was another one that was just a little bit more of a like a nice story. 01:02:38 Speaker 1: Do you remember what that was? I think I can't think of the name, though. So what's the name of Wild Thing? What's the name of that movie? Major League? Major League? Major League? It's real good too. 01:02:54 Speaker 2: What about what about what's the one Kevin Hart and Will Ferrell were in? 01:03:01 Speaker 1: Yeah? I Get Hard? Yeah, those guys are hilarious. 01:03:06 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, maybe we should break that down into like, yeah, favor comedy. Yeah, what's your favorite? What's your favorite comedy? 01:03:15 Speaker 2: Yeah, that one's good. I mean now that that one is a good one. Which one, uh, the Get Hard or whatever it's I like that. I'm trying to think. I feel like there's another one that I really like comedy wise. 01:03:27 Speaker 3: Man, we're probably dating ourselves as millennials, but I think a lot of us are gonna say, Will Fair movies, you know like Talladagan Knights is one of my favorite comedies. 01:03:36 Speaker 1: At all time. 01:03:37 Speaker 2: I don't even know if I've seen the whole thing. Oh my god, I've seen I've seen most parts of it though. 01:03:41 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:03:42 Speaker 3: That and uh, Happy Gilmore. It's hard to be Yeah, we're talking about that. See in U class, we're talking about how Happy Gilmore the other day because even the kids, like, you know, ten year old kids love Happy gil really. 01:03:54 Speaker 1: Yeah, So Adam Sandler is timeless. He is. 01:03:58 Speaker 2: He's a talented guy. He is good basketball player, he's good at he plays guitar too. 01:04:04 Speaker 1: I think how about that? What's yours favorite comedy? Dumb and Dumber? Oh yeah, my goodness, dude, it's pretty good. You know, I'm not. 01:04:12 Speaker 3: I think that's like a classic movie for our generation. 01:04:14 Speaker 1: But it's not. 01:04:15 Speaker 3: It's not one of my favorites. It's good, No av. 01:04:20 Speaker 2: Jim Carrey is a hilarious guy. The was it the when Nature Calls? Is that the one when he does the he's in the g just like you know, it's a smooth road. Okay. 01:04:41 Speaker 1: This favorite animated movie Eric? Which ones? Have I seen? Seen one? A ton of animated I don't even know. 01:04:52 Speaker 5: Yeah, this Ninja turtles count No, No, I don't know, because that's clamation. 01:04:57 Speaker 1: Clamation or something. 01:04:58 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if he's sing then his favorite is uh is it Rudolph? 01:05:06 Speaker 1: Yeah, the movie because he's in it. 01:05:09 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Cornelius, uh, Cornelias. 01:05:14 Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess space Jam. 01:05:16 Speaker 2: I don't know. 01:05:17 Speaker 1: There's some animation of that. I'll give you that one. 01:05:19 Speaker 2: And that's that's a good one. It might be mine to Casey's favorite. 01:05:24 Speaker 3: I really like Aladdin a lot, dude, the new Laddin and one rock and roll dude. 01:05:29 Speaker 1: Yeah, thing the thing is cool. 01:05:31 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Will Smith is a genie there. It just didn't sell to me. 01:05:35 Speaker 1: Well, dude, this was before all that. What No, I'm not I'm just saying. I'm not saying. Like his slap thing, it was really good, was he? Yeah? Yeah, speaking of all that, do you remember all that? It was like the kid version of S n L when we were younger. Yeah, I remember that, like all that. 01:05:51 Speaker 3: Note I always liked the Slime thing on Nickelodeon whatever that was called my favorite favorite childhood cartoon. 01:06:03 Speaker 1: Like what I watched her? 01:06:04 Speaker 2: Like, yeah, you mean you've had to have watched it, right, but like you know what cartoon you watched a lot. 01:06:11 Speaker 1: I didn't really watch a lot of cars Land before time. Oh yeah that's a movie though what it. 01:06:16 Speaker 3: Was animated cartoon? You mean like like on TV? Yeah? What when's your childhood? 01:06:22 Speaker 1: In eighteen? 01:06:25 Speaker 3: According to maybe if you say like thirteen, there was a series called uh Batman Beyond, which was kind of like edgy Batman that was kind of like for you know, preteens. 01:06:36 Speaker 1: I thought it was pretty cool. Yeah. I loved Recess. It was a good one. Yeah, j Wiler, I forgot about that, Mikey, Yeah, Snyder, it probably goes with rocket Power. I don't know what that is. You don't remember rocket Power? 01:06:53 Speaker 3: You remember Pepper and Yeah, and there's something your sister and Pepper in. 01:06:58 Speaker 2: Yeah, she's she's like I guess she just loves those theme songs so much. 01:07:02 Speaker 1: Yeah that's pretty good. Yeah. 01:07:04 Speaker 2: I pretty much only watch action in comedy. And I mean, honestly, what are the vampire movies that we watch? Hotel Transervan, Hotel Transylvania. 01:07:17 Speaker 1: Those are that's Adam Sandler, He's Dracula. Makes sense? Yeah, those are good. 01:07:23 Speaker 3: To wrap it up. Favorite classic outdoor TV show. 01:07:30 Speaker 2: Man of all time, like series or episode whatever, you want to does that count? 01:07:36 Speaker 1: Crocodile Hunter? Does that count? What is that? Crocodile Steve Irwin showed that's not what it's called. 01:07:43 Speaker 3: Is it? 01:07:45 Speaker 1: Is that what it's called? Do you remember that? 01:07:51 Speaker 5: Ye? 01:07:52 Speaker 3: Steve Irwin, right, Crocodile Hunter is the name of the show. 01:07:56 Speaker 1: I have to look this up now. You got me weird. I mean, that's like everything else about him except that. 01:08:01 Speaker 3: Yeah, Steve and Terry Irwin, Bendy and whatever their son's name is, baby baby. 01:08:07 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've typed in Crocodile Hunter and Steve Irwin came up. Okay, the crocodile known as the Crocodile Hunter. Yeah, that's what I thought. But then he was like making me question mine the show at all. Yeah. I don't know if you can say that one. No, No, that's not really. It's got to be hunting, right, fishing, which I did watch Steve catch a pig one time. That was pretty cool. 01:08:27 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like in a It was like in a you know, Waller and you just went out there and grabbed it. 01:08:32 Speaker 1: I know, your favorite what's that Jose with him? Bay? I liked that well. 01:08:38 Speaker 3: I was thinking hunting, but Jose will have spent fly was good. It's a good show. 01:08:45 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so can we do fishing and hunting? Sure? All right, let me think about this. You got one yet? Not really? I mean I never really up watching it though. 01:08:54 Speaker 5: I mean I did. It was like I didn't have a favorite. I was like, I like Jim Shockey, yeah, and Tiffany. I mean my favorite was the ranchbug. 01:09:07 Speaker 3: My I just so growing up, there was like kind of three or four camps, right, So there was like the real Tree stuff, There was the Massioake stuff. 01:09:17 Speaker 1: There was the primost stuff. And then I feel like Primos and Massioach wered in the. 01:09:22 Speaker 3: Same kind of but Mossioac was its own deal though too. Yeah, you cousin all them. But I was a real tree guy. I liked Real Tree I like because they traveled kind of up north and went to cool places and stuff. 01:09:36 Speaker 1: So I think real Tree Outdoors like. 01:09:38 Speaker 2: The original first my favorites, the first DVD or DVD, the first VHS. First video I ever bought that was a hunting video was Whistling Wings one mm hmm, and I think it was one maybe in two and but I ended up buying several more after that, and that was that was Massioak Toxi Hayes, and I thought that was. 01:10:00 Speaker 1: The coolest thing ever. 01:10:01 Speaker 4: Dude. 01:10:02 Speaker 2: I would watch them every night going to bed, well, same same bhs, over and over and over again. So I can remember that, but I think like as I as I kind of grew up, I remember like even in college, I watched Real Tree road Trips all the time, and like, I mean, Michael White l was the man, right. 01:10:21 Speaker 1: So in college we were watching a lot of gym shockey. 01:10:24 Speaker 3: My friends were all rifle hunters, you know, and then we're into like that kind of Western thing or whatever. So we watched a lot like when Uncharted came out, which I think was the other show, right. 01:10:33 Speaker 1: It was that's shocky show. 01:10:34 Speaker 3: Yeah, like that's the second show he had or whatever. Like when that came out, we were like scheduling our weeks around it and don't watch it when it's premiered and stuff, you know. 01:10:43 Speaker 1: So it's cool about fishing. Favorite fishing show I like to saw. 01:10:54 Speaker 3: I was enamored with saltwater when I was a kid, so like I watched anything saltwater I could. 01:10:59 Speaker 1: And I think there was a couple. 01:11:04 Speaker 3: Uh so there was the Hunt for Big Fish with Larry Dahlberg man. 01:11:12 Speaker 1: I was thinking that was different. It was one of my uh top things I watched. 01:11:18 Speaker 3: And then, uh, Mark Sossen had some good fishing stuff I used to watch. 01:11:23 Speaker 1: Uh he had a weird hat. 01:11:27 Speaker 2: And fishing guys I got has Bill Dance. Yeah, yeah, the custom made. They have to be. They're no way that hat sold anymore. 01:11:34 Speaker 1: I liked. 01:11:35 Speaker 3: I liked Jimmy Houston, rolland Martin, all of these guys. I watched them a lot. 01:11:40 Speaker 2: I watched the show when I was little, come on after school and I'd just run in there at the lodge, my dad's fishing place they had they had and uh, we had a little tiny TV that sat in the kitchen, you know, probably like a less than one these days. 01:11:57 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:11:58 Speaker 3: Yeah, you can see the red blue green stripes in. 01:12:01 Speaker 1: The old TV. 01:12:03 Speaker 2: And there was a local show because we only got like channel seven, and uh, it was called Larry and Berry. The thing it's called honey Hole honey Hoole fishing with Honeyhole. 01:12:13 Speaker 3: I remember Honeyhole Outdoors. Yeah yeah, oh yeah. 01:12:16 Speaker 1: And then they fished for large mouth bass pretty much. Is that the same berry as Berry? 01:12:21 Speaker 5: Uh? 01:12:22 Speaker 1: East Texas Outdoorsman. Whatever, imagine. 01:12:25 Speaker 3: I don't know that what was that guy's name, but he was he did that East Texas fishing stuff, and that's where I first saw doodle socking. 01:12:34 Speaker 1: You know what doodlesocking is. 01:12:35 Speaker 3: They take a big old cane pole and you tie like an ac plug or something like a top water six inches from the end of the tip, and you just go down the bank and you just you just splash the water with the end of that pole the whole time. In Bass Will Company hit that lure. Pretty cool, so not even try it sometimes. Yeah, it's like an old technique of. 01:12:56 Speaker 1: Fishing, you know, sounds kind of fun. Yeah, doodle socking. Huh yeah. 01:13:00 Speaker 3: Anyways, all right, that's your early season White Tail Podcast guys. 01:13:03 Speaker 1: Thanks for the questions. Uh. 01:13:04 Speaker 3: I hope you got to go down Memory with Lane with us as well, and I hope you kill a really really. 01:13:09 Speaker 1: Big buck in the other season this year. Remember this is your element, live in it.