00:00:00 Speaker 1: This is the Meat Eater podcast coming at you from a portion of Idahole that flows into the Snake River. That's right, right, Callahan copy correct. The reason I can't tell you that is he's got done mule deer hunting and Callahan, um, he's real skittish. He's got little spots all over and um and multiple states even, but he gets leary when you talk about northern Can I say northern Rocky scale, I mean Rocky. I mean what's Northern Rockies. That's British Columbia. Okay, the Rockies. You're calling me saying we've been hunting the Rockies. We've been hunting meal during the Rocky Mountains to not betray anything. What what I think I ought to be illegal? This is nothing to do with with with any of this, but it's just been something really weighing on my mind. Well I think I would be illegal? Is um ads hunting ads? We're a dude hunting ads that show a dude with like a rack on his pack when you know that there that it was just a rack someone had laying around or in a freezer, especially when that dude is still looking very sneaky. Because to me, I'm like that guy as a poacher didn't know it's like the way those there. Yeah, he's still sneaking and he's got nothing else with him, like Lord knows where the meat is. He's got like a rack and he's always standing on a pinnacle surveying the landscape. Dudes packing game don't look like that. No, they don't look like dudes that you want to run into. For the most part, dudes packing game who actually have a rack on their back look like some guy that just is like in the suckiest situation imaginable, can barely walk and is on and his head in a downhill direction and is not going out of his way to iron pinnacles and look all majestic and survey the landscape, or to be a dude like with a big old rack and he's like crossing a raging river with a mean look on his face and he still got his bow already. I just I got the situation never happens. I would make an add of a couple of dudes who just looked like they hated their lives and had no weapons because they left him at another part of the trip. They like this their third trip in there in a fight because they're fighting about something and one of them knee hurts and did say, like Steve's gear. I told you we shouldn't have taken that trail to the guys readjusting his hip belt. Yeah, you guys trying to figure out what's around his backpack because he's like, dude, this shouldn't hurt my neck. This bad to have a backpack on. Why is it that either my hips kill or my shoulders kill. It's when it's supposed to all be evenly distributed. That would be a realistic ad. But no, it's a guy looking like like a makeup person might have put a little dirt on his face, and he's on a he's like surveying a majestic mountain scene, rifle in hand and like some giant elk crack where you mysteriously can't see any part of the thing. Or some of the guys are sneaking. They keep a bloody old skull in their freezer, the sneaky. But the all of these guys, even if they're surveying some scene they're in, they're always in like a semi crouch, like a semi sneak. Yeah, yeah, I'm like it looks majestic. I'm just thinking about this because we just did like I mean, it wasn't even a huge pack out, but as the way out, I was thinking, like, if you took a picture me for an ad, I don't know what they added before. You look like somebody you would never ever under really any some circumstance like pick up off the side of the road. That guy is having a hard time. Yet there's something wrong with you. There's something about blowing by. Yeah, there's something about how miserable he looks. It gives me the Willie's. There's one guy I don't know a name who he has. There's one guy I know it must have kept a skull. He had an elks Go on a freezer, because I feel like that elks Go popped up in more ads of packing ads. You know what we're doing today is we're answering um we're doing. We're here with Garrett Smith, Garrett Audie, everyone out there. Garrett has a electric toothbrush. Um lives in a vehicle, just getting done living in a vehicle at thirty two years of age, but has an electric toothbrush. And he got in a lot of toothbrush because he thought it was a step toward adulthood, baby steps. That's Brad's calculated move. He blew, He blew forty bucks on a toothbrush that makes a humming noise. Ryan Callahan Hello, Uh, Jana's Van's wall? Who tells us? And Adam I don't even know what your last name? That? Well, yeah that's right, Adam Offa who's a camera guy. The first time we ever went out with you, did you have enjoyable time? Yeah? It was fun. It was fun, you guys fun hard. It was tough, but fun. I got to see Callahan's mustache every you got to see more than that, Yeah, I dig it a little more than that. Callahan came back into camp wearing enough but his suspenders one night, and with a mustache and the Paris suspenders, and the reason for that being it was like, what were the suspenders holding up his pants? Oh? Yeah, yeah, he doesn't just clip He needs that kind of the old clips. He can just like clip it to his buttocks and his hips. This was not a fashionable moment. It was very dark out and uh, I had had taken the majority of my sweaty clothing off and draped it over a mule deer. So the black bear that I had gonna point out, he left to go get a black bear and came back with the deer. Yes, it came out with a bag of guts from a deer um. But yeah, so I'm not Adam pointed out it looked like a fat stick. It's like you're a hundred forty pounds, but you have a beer gut work anyway. Yeah, so I had peeled off a good portion of my clothing to put on top of the deer, to to keep the bear you were trying to kill from eating your deer, or give me some peace of mind or something. Yeah, so I feel like that trick works. We did that all the time leaving ilk overnight. You don't know it himpirically, but it feels like it would work. I p around, put clothes on it. It can't hurt. I've never seen bears get on carcasses faster anywhere than Colorado, So I think if and you're talking about doing that in Colorado all the time, Yeah, I mean if that for me would be a pretty good Litmas test. My brother lost a good portion of it out to a bear last year. I'd like to ask him if he did the clothes trick or not. That was our tree too, right. What he did he boned out. He left the four legs on the bone and boned out um the rest and the bear ate, all the boned out stuff and buried all the bone and stuff. So he loaded all the boned and stuff, dug it back up, put it on his llama, brought it down to a creek and wash it on. Got out of there because he lost his quiver in the night, because he's like heading back to his camp after dar because threw the latch on his quiver. He had one of those uh tight spots, but he didn't have it on there. Right now, I thought your brother was shot recurvever longbow. Oh that was Danny, No, Matt. Danny is a traditional well, I mean, he likes to shoot a recur but he hunts with primarily with a rifle. I think he killed like oh dear with his recurve. But he likes to shoot recreationally. My other brothers shoots a compound. He don't like to hunt with the rifle. He just likes the hunt on his boat. A matter of fact, he's got a mountain goat tagging right now, he's hunt Mountain GOLs with his boat, but he's bringing his rifle to I told me he's gonna look like Arnold Schwarzenegger in the end of Commando when he raids that island compound with a duffel bag full of weapons. It's gonna have a caddy. Yeah, like, yes about it? Two or fifty yard shot. This is one of those special podcast episodes, and we answered questions. Um, here's the first question this, Ah, everybody gets a chance to answer this. It's from what the hell town we near? This is something from this town. We're in the middle of the Rockies. Well, I just had a weird thing happened where I felt like I had entered like another dimension because the guy named Drew says, this is that the town. We're gonna look at the bottom of that darn close, darn close, fellow, darn close to us right now? How's this say? So not much of a conspiracy theorist, but I have a buddy who is convinced that the Clinton administration's main motivation for reintroducing wolves back into the West was for gun control. With wolves growing at an exponential rate and negatively impacting ungulates, the tradition of hunting would diminish over the years, with fewer and fewer hunters, the sale of new firearms go down, and in time, hunting won't become an American value. Garretty, what's your take on that. I think his buddies got to focus on another field of study because personally, that's a roundabout way of going about stuff. Yeah, you're like you're like taking like the real like long gamble on that got an idea. I got an idea. Feather floats too, No Drew, I Uh, I think there's no there's no question how um the Clinton administration passed and the potential Clinton administration future feels about firearm regulations, There's no question there. Do I think that they would uh have the wherewithal and like the crystal ball clairvoyance kind of thing to like have such a long draw on out planned. It seems so um, sort of sketchy and its exception and difficult to track. And I don't think that's the case. What I think it happened. I don't think there's a big mystery about why wolves are back. I think wolves were reintroduced because they had been extirpated regionally, extirpated from human caused activities, and we have an obligation to remedy human caused ecological catastrophe. It's not always popular, but I think it's our obligation. Um, we can't drive animals to extinction like it's it's bad business. It's bad spiritually, very bad. Um, depending on your worldview, I think it would be a sin against God and man to just accept extinctions as a matter of course. So I think that there was an obligation to right that wrong. I'm not comment right now on whether or not we should regulate wolves. I think rules should be regulated like any other big game. I think they should be at this point managed in places where they've recovered. I think they should be managed on the state level as a renewable resource. But no, I just I think your body is off. I think your body maybe smoking a little too much herb um. One thing I think when I when I see a question like that is um. This is writer Joan Didion, and she has a book called Slouching Towards Bethlehem, or maybe it was she has nothing book called The White Album. I can't remember what you her books this was in, but she was talking about in the sixties now not now, but this is going on in the sixties. She's talking about because there's so much information out there that people get like that the more information it becomes available, the more widespread and easily accessible that information is, people get more hungry for like the secret story. You know, we're talking about this earlier today in relation to how seems that people that smoke a lot of weed really start getting hungry for those inside scoops. My brother believes that it's the same kind of guy who's hungry for an inside scoop is the same guy who likes starts smoking a lot of weed. And it's not that smoking weed makes you hungry for the inside scoop that no one knows the real truth about Johnny? Why do you think that's Why do you think that was the ultimate goal of woolf for introduction disarming America. I agree with the the smoking too MUCHO um really yeah, or if he's never smoked weed in his life, he needs to start calling those nerves. Adam, are we missing anything on this question? No? No, yeah, I that just seems so unpossible. I mean, yeah, I just don't feel like it really warrants really much more of our Yeah, I'm interesting, all right. You guys always going to say this is a question though you guys always go into such great detail in your discussion, so it was a compliment. I wasn't even part of the question. I would love to hear about your recommendations, experiences, horror stories, and traveling by means of airplanes, navigating, t s a, passports, visas, customs, packing, guns and cameras, packaging and travel with meat and hides um. Leaving like production element out of it which isn't as interesting to me, like the cameras and stuff like that, and leaving the passports and visas out of it. I think what I like about this question is the traveling with game meat. I like that aspect of this question a lot. And I like a little bit to travel with guns thing um. And all the travel with gaming I've ever done. I've lost. One time I lost a bunch of American eels. It was very hot. They were lost in the Billings, Montana airport. I was coming back from New York State with a bunch of eels, and by the time I got them back, it was just a sack of slime and eel bones. I mean it was it was bad. The only thing I've ever lost. I'm pretty careful about it. I like the freeze stuff. Put it in a cooler, duct tape the cooler shut um and check it, and even if it were to get lost for a day or two, the stuff is gonna stay pretty good inside there. You can when dealing with small amounts, like I've taken turkeys, and instead of even trusting that I would lose the turkey two baggage loss, I just carry the bird on. At one time had a bag of pickguts frozen in my carry on. They pulled it out to inspect it and had no comment on it. Another time had a shotgun shell in my carry on, and that did not go smoothly I had. I was interviewed by the police, and they knew, like I was, like, man, we were just hunting time again. I forgot to take the shocker shot in my bag. But they had like a whole rigmarole they had to go through, and they knew that I was obviously just you know, made a mistake, but they still had to notify the police and fill out of, you know, a bunch of paperwork, and they were kind of annoyed with me because you could tell that it happened to them every day in Anchorage. Some Yahoo has a thing y'all need to tell your story your turkey, your dead turkey, and your shotgun show. Yeah that was just last year, wasn't it. I think we done a shoot and then I was maybe I stayed to hunt. It wasn't a shoot. We're just hunting dugs for fun. Oh no, we're turkey hunt in California or No, or was Wisconsin. I think it was my personal trip. I was humping my dad, my brother was coming home. Anyways, checked my bags, went through security. What was it? You didn't tell them what's in your bag? Well get to that or you're doing a story and you wouldn't you know, I wouldn't tell the story in this order, but go ahead. Well you know I'm coming home from turkey hunt. So I checked all my bags. I have my backpack with my laptop in on me and they called my name, Janice ptailis, please come back to security, and um I rolled back in there and he's like, we found a loose Uh. So I walked through the door and take me to the back door and then we always stayless. Steel tables set out in this room, and I had packed my not yet frozen turkey parts just in zip blocks, double ziplock bags. They're they're cool. Just packed him into the middle of my big duffles like it was a skinned yeah, caught up into like legs and breasts exactly. And so I walked into this room and they've got you know, we have these giant I don't know how many leaders those stuffle bags are of ours that we have, like maybe even bigger. All my stuff spread out, you know, just like the individual It was like turkey because I was bringing home like wings and and you know, feathers from my girls, and you know, all the meat and just everything's just spread out everywhere. In my gun case is actually locked up like it's off to the side. I'm like, that's kind of weird. It's kind of funny, you know. So they told me that the meat is what ticked off the X ray machine because just because like the big turkey breast kind of looks like a glob of weird matter, I guess. So they went in to check at that and they found a loose shell in there. So you can have you know, AMMO in your baggage, but it has to be in a in ad for the purpose either original packaging or like a plastic container made to carry it. And it's not supposed to be able to touch like you know it ty two shells come sometimes just touching. Yeah, it's supposed to have dividers. No, I didn't know that. So he showed it to me, and I'm thinking, oh, man, because I just heard your stories, I was thinking now when I missed my flys and I had to go through like the big you know, police interview in YadA YadA, and you was, he like makes a phone call and goes, no, we just gotta pitch this. Well I look at it, and I had a box of um turkey rounds, like in one of those like aftermarket plastic boxes, you know, and them in there were like the heavy shot the stuff it's like four or five bucks around, and then there was five that were like some cheaper Remington stuff. Well, he's holding the heavy heavy shot in his hand. I'm like, you know, if we're gonna throw a shell out, you know, maybe I could do a little swap because I've actually got a container in my in my you know, a gun case locked in there. And he's like, yeah, sure, I don't see why not. So I got to keep the heavy shot. Heavy shot was probably a turkey hunter. Apparently it doesn't hurt task. Now we had a fuel canister, yeah, um, and we can do a situation. A lot of times you're buying bear spray and you can't fly with that no matter what. And fuel cans. You can't fly on commercial airliners with fuel cans. And think we had a four thousand dollar fine for a few came from t s A. Never made never even made it on the plane, ice appropal stuff, never even made it on the plane. No ice appropa. What's the word I'm looking for? Team Yeah, never made it on the plane. So they call one of the guys, one of the guys were traveling with. They call his name because like we're just checking bags under whoever's name. He goes down like, hey, there's this canctor is it? O Oh, I don't need it? He thinks nothing of it. Weeks go by, a letter of four thousand dollar fine shows up the mail. The lawyer got it down to half that. Unreal. Yeah, I would say, uh, just to throw in like one helpful tidbit here. If you're traveling internationally and you're looking at your flight schedule and you're like, oh, don't have any long layovers. You may want to adjust that so you have two hours at customs. I think two hours at customs is kind of the memory we had too. The gun stuff throws in for a loop, throws in for loop. There's just some formalities. Now. If you're like, I'll tell you one. The biggest tip I would give. The biggest trouble I had if you if you are traveling internationally is go to US customs and have them give you a There's a form and even has a standard number. Basically write down what your rifle is, serial number, description to rifle. They stamp that form. So when you're coming back into the US, Like people are as worried about what the other country's government's gonna think, But when you're coming back in the US, you can't just be turning up in customs with a gun. They're gonna want to know is that your gun? Where did you get the thing? So getting that and I had I didn't do this one time and it caused all kinds of headaches. Get the customs form and get it stamp saying I own X serial number firearm what scope is on its serial number of your scope. So when you come back to the US, you can go like I left with this thing here it's a temporary export and then import form. Yeah, that I can cause trouble because they don't want you just turning up at the border toting guns that they don't know how you came into it and what it is. And so you gotta watch Alfred. That stuff just flying generally can never flowing with the firearm works like this. I'm talking general domestic travel. You gotta have a hard sided case, and you gotta have locks on it and have it actually locked up. You got your case locked in such a way that you cannot get the gun out without undoing the locks. I've seen people take a regular case and put a little pad lock on the two parts of the handle. And I had a couple weeks ago, I had a woman in front of you get turned away by the t s A because he just threw the latches and pulled the gun out. Lock wasn't doing ship for good because it was right locked in the middle of the case. So you got a hard sided case that is such that you cannot get the firearm out without removing the locks. They don't care if it's two locks, three locks, four locks, one lock, it's gotta be unlocked to get it out. It doesn't need to be a T A T S A lock like the universe. The locks doesn't need to be that. You go up, you tell the that the check encounter, you say, I'm traveling with the firearm. They're gonna give you a declaration form. All the declaration form says as you're saying, the firearm is not loaded. Depending you can have the ammunition in the case or not. To be safe, don't put it in the case. Have the ammunition in a hard case meant for the purpose of transport and shells. The reason I don't like the paper cases is because they can just get messed up, paper rips. Whatever they spill out, you could have trouble. So go and buy those little four dollar five dollar amo cases, tape things shut. Put your ammunition in there, have it labeled. Where was I you telling me you signed declaration? You put the declaration into the case. You then will walk your firearm. This is most airports. You'll either walk your firearm to a t S a oversized baggage area and they'll swab the outside of the case while you stand there, never even open it up, or the ticket agent will send it back on a conveyor and tell you to hang tight until she gives you the word. Then they'll go and check your firearm. They'll give you the wink and a nod. Get on the plane. Generally, nine out of ten times you go to baggage claiming your farm does not come out on the carousel, but you're going need to present an I D to a baggage handler oversized baggage. You guys feel that that's true. It's pretty simple. I would say also that because of the liquidity, there's the right word to use for that of those REGs. Rules change, and then you've got to argue with the ticket agent because you know the rules better than they do exactly. So I was gonna say it is like, do your research ahead of time. Maybe print out, you know, a few pieces of paper from you know, their website that has their rules and REGs. Because it's been someone new and they haven't done a few of those and they don't have it's busy, they don't have the help they can back them up. You know, you can do yourself. You know, a huge favor by having that mean like, look, got this right off your website. Here it is, here's the deal. Um, you know, because when in international airlines can be different because what you just described is domestic. But we just went over to you know, BC a month ago and Air Canada. You know you cannot now have ammo in with your rifle. But they didn't even know. I had to argue with him about what it was. She's like, no, you can't anymore because there's just a big snaff foo. And the other woman's like, no, you have to now because of the big snaffoo, right, And then they get the third guy who jumps to with his own opinion about the whole thing. But that's international. It's like, yeah, do your research. I'm saying, like, generally in the US that's how it goes. But if you're flying into bos and Montana, those people are processing firearms all day long, they know the rule. If you're flying into weird towns, like let's say, for whatever is you're flying a guy I don't know, I'm pulling this out of my ass. Let's say you're flying into Miami, it might be good to be prepared to present at the Miami airport someone to demonstrate that you know what the rules are at one time. In New York State, so any airport run by Port Authority, which is a police that's like a police department that sort of operates on behalf of New Jersey in New York with ports and airports, they have their own procedure where when you go to check a firearm, they have a Port Authority police officer come to the ticket desk, ticket counter, and that Port Authority police officer records the serial number, makes sure you have the proper permit to have a firearm in New York City. If you're flying out of New York City, you're flying through New York City to go hunting. Then they escort you to the T s A. Now I knew that I was supposed to be escorted by a Port Authority police officer. I had a ticket agent assuring me I was not supposed to be escorted by a Port Authority police officer. They had me walk my own gun over to the T s A. And then they want up having to sit there in a little cop office explaining my story until the ticket aged person came and clarified that I did, in fact argue with her and that she messed up, So yeah, be armed, But I don't want I don't like it sound like a horror story. Man, It's generally like shockingly easy. Yeah, how how how early do you get there before your flight? That were different than normal? Definitely normal, but I like to go earlier. Yeah, and I buffered with a firearm for sure. Like the other day when I was checking in it in Seattle, for whatever reason, they just had they were just like backed up with the t s a go. I was backed up with people's golf clubs and skis, you know. I mean, it was just he was having a slow time of it. So I leave a little buffer. Um looking at these questions here, could I say one quick thing about production flight or yeah? Please man, well do that while I pick out a good question. Well, the thing, the thing we've had issue with is the lithium batteries and like trying to take as many of those and carry on throughout the crew because they will peeing sometimes and you have to deal with that. And we always carry on a full camera kit with media bats to you. So if check baggage gets yeah, ends up and you can still keep rolling while you wait for everything to come in. So you know, there's that that whole like rumor that T s A Agents are really rough on hunter's guns. That's why you need to sign a man when you get what you never heard that. It's like why you when you travel internationally or you know, domestic, when you go and you want to sit your gun and as soon as you can because the baggage handlers kick your guns around. Right. Yeah, it's just general like I've never had it. I'm not curious. I've never had more T s AS guys be all excited about what you're going to hunting for rough on bags. Yeah, no, I agree. You were sitting the plane and look out the window and watching Lowes bags. They could care less, dude. Yeah, I don't believe it. The last time that happened where I actually had that view looking out the window and the mom watching this guy and he looks like he's my size, and he's grabbing our Pelican cases which way fifty to eighty pounds, you know, and he's making sure that he is getting them airborne compt you know, like he's just like, yeah, get my training in right now. You know. I just couldn't believe it, Like those things were landing with the nice thud. Okay, I will I had it is nice if you're talking about buffers to look somewhat like you do in your passport picture. The only reason I ended up in the room for further review when we came through customs after the BC trip this year is because the guy kept looking at my passport picture from when I was three and looking at me at thirty two with the mustache, and he's like, I'm gonna send you back for further identification review. And then all of a sudden he's like when we get I go back to the back room. The rest of the crew comes through and they're dealing with all the production stuff and like, oh, you guys are traveling together, like lump them all into one group. And then it was like, let me see your firearms and all this stuff. Had I just looked a little bit like I did in my passport picture, I would have breezed right through. See. That's why I like a guy like me who's timeless. It's just one of the side benefits. I can't grow facial hair, yeah, but you wouldn't shave your must ask for that BS No way, Well, I gotta get a new passport picture. Yeah, yeah, alright, My buddies are giving me a hard This is a question. My buddies are given me a hard time because I took a three yard shot on a goat yesterday. Where is he from? Is it me mountain goat? Oh? I wish I knew what kind of goati's tombot was already a great question. My buddies given me a hard time because I took a three shot on a goat yesterday. Oh, A lot of dudes, especially more and more every year, call antelope goats. I wish you'd clarify, not that it's gonna affect the answer. My buddies me a hard time because I took a three hundred yards shot and a goat yesterday with my thirty thirty. My point was that it was three yards straight, but I was two yards above the target, which means my horizontal it was a hundred and fifty yards angle compensation. I'm not sure what he's saying because it doesn't really make sense to me. Let me, let me take a look he's holding. I don't know, Oh, you know what he's talking about, some kind of wild goat, because he's now he's going on about Hawaii. I'm gonna paris the question out because I think he's saying he's he's he kind of goes on about archery. Yeah, okay, yes, yes, and no, I don't even know what. Let me take it first part. Let's two questions. I think three yards is is a long shot for a thirty because they really start to drop off at what Yanni Yanni Van's wall. No, at what point is? At what point does the thirty thirty really start to drop off? I don't really know. I mean, we know that it's definitely a slower round, but I would think that with today's AMMO you can probably get something that a hotter round that could energy. Yeah. Okay, so there you have it. Um yards shots. This is just a perennial thing that comes up, like what what kind of shots are too far? It's impossible to answer. It's not impossible to answers some guidelines. A shot too far when you're taking it and you're trying to and you're wondering or not if you're gonna hit it, he fails. Men should be hit the goat. Yeah, if you can, I add on to that, just real quick, please finish, finish it up. The very just propped into my head because I've read another question earlier us thinking about it. But the way to answer that and to figure that out is basically whether or not your bullet, whatever velocity is it's doing at three yards, if your bullet is still performing you know, so a lot of bullets say they perform, you know, um down to ft per second. So basically, if you're bullets dropped to see per second, when it hits, it's not gonna expand its It's gonna retain its shape and just gonna pencil through the target, pencil through the animal. So you're not gonna get that mushrooming. So I would look at you know, look at the ballistics chart. If you don't get the mushroomming, you're not going to get the damage to the animal. Chances are the recovery is going to be much harder. Yeah. I shot a deer at four hundred sixty yards through the lungs with with a monolithic bullet, solid copper bullet. The wound channel looked about like if you took an arrow with a field tip and poked it through the animal. This thing didn't. It was through the lungs. It didn't even register the hit. He kept chasing does and then got a little woozy looking and fell over. No, No, it was like he didn't know. I'm sure he felt it was like he didn't know what happened because that thing didn't have enough energy to open up, and it was a it was a bullet that already had almost like a weight retention or some you know, it's just like a it just took a lot of velocity to open that thing up. They make some of those solid They were into those solid copper bullets that were sold to pedal. But it took a lot of velocity. So that that's a good point to bring up. It's like the energy, you know, because if oftentimes you look at a ballistics chart and you'll see a number will be read, you know, and it'll it'll be like, at what distance does that thing lost so much velocity that doesn't have the energy anymore to get at to function. But I don't but I think the guy, I'll say this, I think of this dude here is really fixing to do a lot of three yard shooting, and I don't care about all the new deaf and issus. Three shot is a shot that you have to pay attention to. I agree that's bordering on even by Western standards. A three hundred yards shot is out into the marksman. It's out where marksmanship matters. Right hundred yards you can be six inches off, you know, and and being there you have to be doing everything right three hundred yards minor mistakes. If this dude is and he's hunting goats, and I know he's in Hawaii, so he's hunting, like I'm talking a little barnyard goats which are small, I would think that he would if he's gonna get serious about this and that's his new norm, I would think he'd be thinking about a new rifle. Yeah. I mean, it could be completely wrong on this, but just from you know, my growing up, I've never heard of a thirty thirty being some you know, an accurate weapon to begin with. It's always been like a saddle gun. It's like, yeah, guys, I mean, the only guys shooting thirty thirties anymore seems like guys shooting berries and lions with hounds because it's shooting out of a tree right up right above them. But the only thing is it's like, sure, let's say it doesn't have the energy. The thing is when you get when you get a bullet that has a lower muzzle blasting, it starts to drop off. It really matters, Like there's a big difference between an animal at two yards an animal at three yards. When your bullets losing inches, when it's losing inches to gravity over short spaces because it's traveling so slow. Like physics one on one, if I took a bullet, let's say I'm holding Let's say you're shooting a hundred and fifty grain bullet, okay, And I took a bullet and held it out of arm's length and dropped it from my fingers, and at the same time, I shot a bullet at that height perfectly on a flat plane. I shot a bullet from that height perfectly horizontal. Those two bullets hit the ground the same time. It's not defying gravity. I opened my fingers, thing hits the ground. So if you're shooting five yards away, your bullet is traveling in a downward thing as it slows down, that becomes more exaggerated. So unless you're really good on range and you have a great range finder, if you're just guessing, like, oh, he looks three yards away, but you're in fact wrong, and he's three forty yards away. That's not a very forgiving cartridge. Like let's say you had some you know, let's say you had a three hundred when mag shooting thirty feet per second, the bullet is gonna be a lot closer to your point of aim at three forty yards than one that's just poking along. Put that in better terms, beyond you're better at that kind of stuff. No, you're exactly right, But I mean, I think you explained it very well. The thing to remember is that even with a three hundred windmag, the difference between three hundred yards and here and forty is ceased to be compensated for, you know, to shoot flat out to three d fifty yards. You know, very few cartridges are really you know, have a maximum point blank range of of something that far. What's that rifle? Floyd was talking about thirty so to three seventy eight neck down to a thirty count and I think he was saying that he has point blank out the four or something. Yeah, so he's got a he's got a souped up real fast rifle that he can zero with two hundred yards and basically aim on an animal where he wants to hit out anywhere from zero to four hundred yards to be within three inches. Yeah, and I bet they zero because they knew they're gonna take long shots. They probably zeroed at three to get like a point blank range out to four plus. So then if the deer jumps out and he's twenty yards away or he's four hundred yards, ware he just aimory you want to hit and pull the trigger and he'll be within a few inches. But it doesn't mean to go back. It does not matter where that rifle zero at. If you suck at aim, if you suck suck it shooting. If you jerk that trigger and you're shooting something at four hundred yards, you're gonna be either getting a very gut wrenching lesson or missing completely four yards. Yeah. My personal for me personally, if I can't four yards, as far as I like to shoot animals that live in creatures, four yards, that's just where I'm at personally, And that's just the you know, I know I mentioned one earlier. That's the first I've ever shot at something at an animal. Um for if I get like if I if I'm hunting, I can get within four yards, and I think that that's as good as I'm gonna do. I will take a four hundred yards shop with its light wind or no wind, and I got a good rest. All that kind of stuff. Um. I took a three two yard shot the other day and was it was still a good hit, a little higher than I would have liked out much further. You know, it could have been real bad. It wasn't where I wasn't where I called my shot. It was within inches of where I called my shot, maybe six inches of where I called my shot. Eight inches could have been trouble. Just do me a favor and talk about your set up for that shot. And this was a real hunting situation, heart thumping hunting situation. Let's just say I was already setting up for that shot before I even I found an animal from a long Let's say I found an animal from eight hundred yards away, maybe identified a ridge that what was it? It It was six something, wasn't it? Yeah? Yeah, because we were guessing the shot was going to be anywhere from three fifty, so it was like six when we found him. So I found an animal six yards away. The next ridge I thought would probably give me a nice shot at it. It was a mule deer buck who's kind of running the door. They looked pretty settled in. I wasn't. It wasn't like a race. I wasn't racing the deer. It wasn't like the deer was traveling and I was trying to race it to a meeting point. I was already thinking about my shot the minute I had to go across the little galie and climb up the other side. And I was thinking about my shot the minute I hit the bottom of the goalie. I didn't run up that hill. I went up that hill at a very slow pace because I was gonna get to the top of that hill, and I wasn't gonna be winded, and I wasn't gonna be shaky from exertion. So I was already thinking, if I get up there, I'm not gonna rush this. It's gonna be a long shot. I'm gonna do everything right. I took my time, I stopped to keep my breaths. I wanted to hit the top of that hill fresh. I also, on my way up that hill, ran through my head all the things that fella could do to screw up the situation. With the shot and what criteria needed to be met for me to touch that trigger because it was a buck that I very much wanted to get. UM, and I had set some parameters in my head, like what's what's green and what's what's a green light? What's the red light? When I get to the top of the hill, and I had settled that in my mind. I wasn't leaving it up to a moment by moment situation. Got to the top of the hill. Um, I approached the crest so that I had some rocks off to the side of me to give a little contour to the hill, and I had trees behind me to break up my outline. I crawled up. I have a butt pad, I used. I'm glassing. I had my butt pad out. I pushed my backpack up ahead of me. I put my butt pad on my back pad to help get everything pad it out right. I moved out a half of my hand and matted down some grass that I didn't like being there. UM, and I got lie. I waited for the deer to turn broadside, got lined up. I did my little test where I'm lined up on it, and I closed my eyes for a three count and then opened my eyes back up and see if my cross hairs have drifted off. That's a good one. I like that. I can't remember who was just telling me that. I've never heard that before in like an actual hunting situation. Yeah, I remember this guy, and I'm trying to remember who was. I was talking to a military shooter. Who is? It doesn't matter. I was saw a new military shooter. Who do use you do that to see if you're your body's in a neutral position, you're torking it because you're, like he said, he thinks you'll subconsciously tork to get on. Yeah. So he closes his eyes and then opens and sees if his thing is drifted because your body's working with your eye and doing stuff. And he's like, for a dead rest, it should be like, of course you can't walk away, like in some way it's resting on you. But if you're doing that little torque, you won't be able to keep it up. You won't be able to do it right when your eyes out on it because you're holding it just so. So. He likes to close open and if seats the cross air drifted. I even did that, and could I ask about the red and green light. I'm just curious about that. Oh just meaning, I mean what they were? Okay, I had, I'll just come out and say it. I had screwed up. I had I missed an antalopen wyoming because I got up to a spot where I was on the stock and I got up in the head, in my head where these animals were going to be and got up and they weren't there, and like, what the hell happened? I started thinking that misjudged where I was, I was on the wrong hill, stood up and I was like started entertaining, Like did I like totally misread the situation? They should be right there? And all of a sudden antelope blows at me and they were down below me and they took off running and then they stopped and I didn't I just it was two hundred fifty yards and I didn't do my checklist and I just laid down and like took a stupid shot and shot over an antelops back and just hated myself for it. And when I say a green light red light is like asking yourself, Okay, what conditions need to be met here? You know, the conditions with that buck the other day the conditions that need to be met. As I was gonna be, I was gonna be like, I'm either gonna do my checklist and close my and do all that garbage, or I'm not gonna shoot. I'll come back and try to find the buck later. If he's gone, it's like gonna have it be perfect um or he'll be fifty yards way. And I don't worry about checklist because I could just free handed. But the other privfect question is, like, this is something that comes up all the time too. If you're shoting at an angle, yeah, the only thing that matter is the horizontal distance. If you somehow let's say you're in a tree. Let's say you're in a tree that's two yards. You're in the tree staying two hundred yards off the ground, and there's a deer at the foot of the tree. You're holding for a one ft shot. You're not holding for two shot. Horizontal distance is the only thing that matters. That's another part of this question that anyone had to add to that. I was always and I was misled maybe, but like if the animals below you, you aim high, and the same with if the that's just you do need a picture the animal's position, and what the line of travel of the bullet is gonna be through the animal's position. You got a factor that in, but you'd aim as if you were shooting perfectly flat. You use your set, your knowledge of anatomy to figure out where on that thing you want to hit in order to get through where you're trying to hit. If you're directly above an animal and you want to hit through the lungs, you're gonna be burned a hole down through its backbone, between its shoulder blades. If you were somehow in some situation I can't imagine, directly underneath it, you're gonna be sending a bullet up, yeah, into its stern um like whatever. You know from anatomy where you wanted to travel through, and you know from anatomy at what point on the outside of the animal you're trying to place your arrow or bullet. But to get to that point you hold only for horizontal distance. Vertical distance doesn't matter because it's that's is how gravity affects the travel. You want to add that, you know, I just want to say that. You know, Steve goes through this checklist and he's thinking about the shot and it's a four hundred yard shot. Four hundred yard shot is a long shot. I'm saying it shot of four hundred yards, but I mean it is a long shot. And there's a lot of people talking out there right now and have been for a long time about how they don't start getting serious until they're out seven eight a thousand yards UM. And for some reason, I find it entertaining that they always mentioned the caliber that they're shooting, like it's some sort of validation of being able to shoot those distances. That if you aren't calculating and thinking about these mental checklists and what has to happen, what criteria have to be met in order for you to touch that trigger, you should not be taking those shots, regardless of what sort of size cannon you're packing around the world, because you don't know. There's a couple of things. One of the best things about long range shooting UM. One of the best arguments against long range shooting came from a guy, one of the guys I know who is one of the most capable long range shooters at a range. Well, he was talking about it's something you don't hear many people discuss, is the amount of time that lapses between when that ball leaves the barrel and when it arrives at its destination yards down the line, and that amount of time is enough time for an animal to take a couple of steps. You cannot pull that bullet back. You don't know what the so you got like the wind, You might know what the wind's doing where you're at, but hunting in the mountains are hunting an open country around topography and other things. You don't know what the wind is doing on its way there, and what the winds doing at the animal. And you don't know that that thing is not gonna step now. The bullet is gonna get there before the sound gets there. But a lot can happen in a couple of seconds. And this is one of my favorite subjects to talk about. And it can go on and on and and it's it's a lifetime of podcasts worth of talking about it. Because there's the recovery. Recovery it's a lot easier a hundred yards than it is it yards. Uh, it's a dense topic. I don't like it. The I don't like the idea of taking super long shots. Uh. You know a good way to not worry about all this stuff is just getting closer. But it is a thing, man, the thing that it comes up all the time. And I think you got every day you got more and more guys who have bought a gun, and then also they think they're Joe long Ranger, and you just there are so many problems with thousand yards shooting about where was that thing? How how able are you to walk over and show me where that animal is standing and show me that there is there is not any sign of a hit, hair, blood, whatever. I need to know where it was standing. And I can recall lots of times that I've seen shots on animals at very close distance where that animal had almost an imperceptible reaction to a fatal hit at two hundred yards, two fifty yards, fifty yards almost imperceptible. You could almost not tell that that thing got touched. And if you're telling me that you can shoot a thousand yards, and I mean, you gotta follow up on your shots. I mean, just what's pushed a lot of the super long range shooting. His TV shows a deal long range shooting is like popularized it and what they don't show and I know it's from I mean, like like I work in the industry, so I know things and talk to people, and you know, I just know things. A lot of people don't A big part of that stuff that they that they just don't include. They don't include wound loss, and they don't include the part where they're shooting at rocks and ship at the same distance to try to see. Like they'll pick a rock a couple hundred yards away from whatever they're shooting at and have a spotter, and the spot would be like, oh, you're three ft high on that rock. Conditions are such that your three ft high on that rock, and then they'll move over and shoot at the animal. At those distances, the animal can't really put it together what's going on. And so it's like a common thing is that takes some practice shots at stuff to try to get honed in with a spotter on how many m o a you need to just for and then move over and start directing fire towards their critter. My buddies were just hunting moose and they were camping by these guys who were bragging up their recent cariboo hunt, and they were shooting at some cariboo there were six hundred yards away, and then they were halfway through shooting into her to Caribo when they realized that there was a guy that was three yards away from those Cariboo putting a stock on them while they're blasting the way at the Cariboo. Didn't notice him, didn't notice him. There's another guy down in Arizona, and I did not have fun in the woods. I met the people involved this. There was a guy sneaking up on a black bear of the bow and arrow in Arizona, and the guy started shooting at the black bear from across the canyon and hit the bow hunt in the belt buckle with a rifle, almost killed the guy. I have a few years ago, Floyd, and have know that guy alright, can of play that was out of because I already I'm already talking about a couple of long range pokes I took. Um. I wanna switch that over to shotguns a small game because I think the reason that we like to take short shots or keep it within our you know discipline, you know level with big game and our rifles, is because we want to be like our personal ethics towards the animal right to make it a clean one shot killed. Right. Yet it seems like when we switch over to small game and shotguns and flying birds. All of a sudden, it's like, well, it's okay that I shot twenty times today and I killed two birds. It's like you're missing your wounding. Yes, we get a couple. So it does doesn't seem like we're is it. So you've talked about it where you give a level of respect to respect to big game animals that are six, seven, eight, ten, twelve years old that have different kind of fecundity. Okay, things that um weren't a much more limited harvest than you do. To say, a cotton tail rabbit that's capable of putting off twenty for babies in a year has a life expectancy of about war months. Um yeah, yeah, I could see that. If you were talking to an ethicist, which is the role you're playing right now, he would say, why does a elk warrant this great level of respect about clean kills? You're virtually certain you're gonna make a clean kill, whereas a quail you're like, what the hell I am? Lam Lam Yeah, that's a good question, man. Just bring up next thing you should send into question to the needed your podcast. That's not that's you should formally present your question because it's it's a valid question. Here's one here I don't want to answer, but it's a good question. We'll wrap it up with this question. Yeah, that's where we're at. You got to do come more quickly. We're at an hour. Okay, I want to do a question I don't want to any is that including the uh yeah, small break that we had. All right, here's a question I'm not gonna answer, but it's a good question. Have we come to a point where a safari there's an outdated form of hunting. Here's a question I do want to answer. The meat Okay, they always start with a little they they fluff you. This one starts with a little fluff. Then he goes on to say, um, oh no, no, it's not a fluff. The Meat Eater podcast have given out great information on how to hunt Western states as a non resident, but I was wondering if they could address Westerners going out east for a white tail hunt. Great question. We never talked about this because we're because me and Yanni Calian's from Callahan. You're from your Garretts, Montana born Callahan's Montana Borne. You tell okay, because me and Yanni are from Michigan. Our focus is on getting out here, out, getting out west and getting after it. But let's say the other boys here, Uh, we're warnering like, well, how do you go east and do the kind of hunt you guys used to grow up hunting. Um? So, for my understanding, you in some states get multiple tags. Um. It takes a long time to draw deer tag out west. Yeah, so dude out west wants to go white tail hunt. Everbody's always talking about how to live out east and come out west hunt. What about a guy that wants to go out west and go east hunt? I would say this, I'm I'm I'm assuming you're not gonna you want to do it? Do it yourself hunt? If not, you know, we asked, if you're going with a guy, you don't do anything but make sure you got your underwearing socks packed though. Yeah, oh yeah, you're right, I was. Yeah, even in you probably send someone to get them for you. Yeah. I don't know if it'll be so much to do it yourself. We can do it themselves. It will be more of a public versus private is because there's a lot less public land back there. Yeah. So I would say this as far as tags go, generally, I'm generalizing generally a nonresident I mean, and I mean way generally, because there's only a couple of stays. But this isn't true. Generally, a non resident in the Eastern US can go into a licensed dealer and get a general season buck tag or get a general season tag that would be good for any deer with a bow and good for a buck with a rifle. You could probably kill several dolls if you wanted to. In some states you can kill several bucks if you wanted to. It's generally over the counter hunting in the East for white til deer with long seasons and both seasons to start in late September early October, and rifle seasons that are generally run around for a couple of weeks in November. And one got a problem with that. Okay, Michigan where I grew up at the time I was growing up, both season started October one. You could hunt with your bow up till December thirty one. They even had some late seasons that were good for after that, and then you had a ten day rifle season, same deer tag with bow. Was it any deer tag with gun. It was a buck tag. You could also go buy one or two or more dough tags every year to use with your rifle or your bowl, so you don't need to do a whole lot of plane in the head, the old preference point and all that stuff, except for like Kansas, the only Eastern states that I know of, which isn't even the East. Rely Yeah, well Kansas, I put in it for white tail points there, Like I paid twenty five dollars a year for a point, and then I know that I will also does I think to draw like the good you know rifle December tag and I believe it takes non resident about four years. Okay, but what if Garrett and I to use the kind of east first as wells to Montana Hicks wanting to go out? Yeah, I say, Garrett, let's do this. What do you say? They grab us some beer, hop on a plane and head for Wisconsin and try to get a couple of white tails. So, okay, we land in some someplace in Wisconsin, walk Milwaukee, Madison, We get properly stocked up on provisions, new Glaris, beer. Okay, we got are We're legal, We're got our tags, got um licenses, and how do we then go about finding a place to go? That's what I'm gonna talk about next. What do we have to do to be prepared? Like do we have to pack tree stands? So I'm gonna talk about next. If I was in this situation, I would And this is not the same advice I'd give to someone from the East going west, because you have in the East, you have a lot a lot less public land, and you have a lot more people vying for that land. You got Western states that are fifty sixty seventy federally owned, state owned, plenty of public land. They got populations that are less than more most Eastern US cities. Okay, there's a lot of ground to go around in the East. That's not the case it takes. I'm generalizing. And there's guys like Chris Eberhardt has written books about do it yourself Eastern white tail Hunt and how to find public land Eastern white Tills. But he's an expert at and he devoted his life to it. Um For an Easterner to come out Western hunt, you just gotta have some gur, right, you gotta have a little bit of gir half a brain and know how to read a map, and you're gonna find public land hunting opportunities in the East. I'm sorry, And there's gonna be a million guys, not million, but a lot of guys. Canna be like, oh, that's not true. It takes a little bit of It takes some to have a successful hunt. If you gotta eek to hunt ten days to hunt, some local knowledge goes a long long way in even trying to crack the door on public land white tail hunting east of the Mississippi. It can be done, but it's tough. And believe me, I grew up doing it, you know, but my dad had done it before. You know. It's like we'd like new guys. It's like, it's hard. It's hard to just roll in and start doing it unless you're a very good You're very good with maps, You're very resourceful. You understand the system, how to like identify chunks of land that other guys aren't hunting, how to identify chunks land that other guys might not even know. Our public I'll point out, we have a ton of information on this very thing. And the complete guy to hunting, butcher and cooking wild game, like how to find public land that people don't realize as public high the holes. We talked about this for a long time over dinner last night. Stuff like that access and walking up a navigable stream in order to get to a state section that you can't get to via road, but you can get to it if you stay below a high water mark in a river and weight up with waiters. That kind of sneaky stuff is good. If I was out west I wanted to go east deer hunt, I would start really just asking a lot of questions and talking to a lot of people and trying friends and friends and colleagues and family and and just kind of feeling out for a crew of guys that likes to hunt, and they are gonna throw you a little bit of information. What about two that some states in the eastern Midwest slug only like Maryland right now, And I guess you'd figure that out on southern half of Michigan or southern third of Michigan. It's like that. So yeah, that's just like that's like a legal thing you have to figure out, Like, yeah, you have all kinds of legal requirements you gotta figure out. Um. But I think on the land thing I think that you could if you just love to hunt white tails. Well, you know, I'm kind of contradicting myself, man, because one time me, I was living in Montana and me and to my both my brothers and another body of ours went down to Alabama to hunt deer in January and we hunted Tuskegee National Forest for about a week. We all killed a buck. But my other brother was going to grad school at Auburn and had dabbled around in the area a little bit, so he had kind of done little groundward. We had seven days a hunt, but he already had a like a working knowledge of an area. What you might do and this is like this gets in out of the realm of possibility. You might fly out if there's some way to do it, fly out a month before season and spend a few days figuring stuff out, or just agree that you're gonna do like an annual thing and get to know an area. But I would think the best bet would be too just to really pursue any leads you can through friends, family, friends, colleagues, your old ladies, family, and just try to find someone on the ground there who can give you some up to date information on private land connections. Guys who are and there's always guys are going to get rid of here. But they don't want to just open up the gates and let a bunch of you who's in there with guns. They're trying to be a little bit you know, smart about who's on their property. Work. Those are working from a guy who would be like, yeah, man, you know, I'll help you out and maybe someday you'll help me out and I come out to hunt your place. I think to remember about Eastern White Tales is that you don't need huge chunks of land to have a successful hunt. Um My dad's got somebody that has I think ten or twelve acres in southern Indiana and he kills the deer on it every year. You know. Yeah, but no, but he didn't just fly in from out of town and find it. No, no, no no. But my point is is that like, yeah, so he's he has the knowledge you know that those ten acres, you know, produce a deer. My point is that there's a lot of um private land back east that can uh for. I feel like leases in trespass fees sound like this huge amount of money always where sometimes maybe just access forty or eighty acres. It could be plenty in you know ground to hunt some white tails. You might really get into that for a couple hundred bucks. You know, if you're already gonna spend a couple of hundred on your tag, it's like kicked down a couple of hundred bucks. And a lot of times that comes with some lodging. You might be able to staying a little cabin and have eighty acres of private land hunt for a couple hundred dollars. So I would say, though a couple of dudes from Montana cover art pro mun Foods think it'd be more This is the bold statement. I think it'd be more daunting for a guy born raised let's say, in Montana. Lit't say because we're an idhole guy born raised in Idaho. If he said, I got seven days, I'm gonna go out on a d I Y do it yourself whitetail hunt in Illinois public land, never been there before, and get a buck. Meanwhile, a guy in Illinois said I'm gonna go out to Idaho d I Y public land and get a buck. I bet my money on the guy standing in Illinois who's going to Idaho rather than the guy in Idaho going to Illinois. I would put my money on him, all other things being equal, all other things being equal, and I said, like, who's gonna get the buck? I'd be like, the guy going to Idaho is gonna get the bucks. He's got a lot of land that you can just go in access right now. Yeah, seven days of walking, you're but but you're gonna go to Illinois and you go there to day before and like, man, there's dear all over this little state game management area along this creek that's a hundred acres. And then he comes back on open Danner's fourteen trucks in the parking lot. Yeah, you know, every where he goes, there's some guys shine in a flashlight that and be like, hey, I'm over here, man, I'm over here. I've heard that story so many times. Well, just like I mean, I see somebody parked at a trailhead here, Well, better go to the next trailhead. Yeah, even though I'm not I'm not gonna hunt around some dickhead in the woods. I'll go to the next trailhead. All right, One last question, have you ever hunted Roosevelt Elp? Nope, all right, we need to find Oh I forgot one thing. Uh y give us an update on on Hunt Eat T shirts. Oh man. Now you can go to hunt eat dot com and buy a Wisconsin Hunt Eat T shirt. You can buy an Alaska Hunt Eat T shirt Idaho? Now, yeah, no, cal, it's a weird looking state. It's hard to make a shirt with state down there. Um hunty? Oh can did I let the cat out of the bag. I've always maintained that I have no connection to hunt eating. I don't except that I'm friends with Yanni. Um, he doesn't give me anything once time asked the time a couple of flies for yellow Perch never even tied him. So it's like it's like the opposite of meat own Yanni a favor. So I don't want to think I'm plugging Yanni's T shirts for personal game because he won't even time me. Like the stupidest look of fly on the planet. He won't even tie it for me. Um, just a little bucktail on the red little head on it. Uh So, yeah, I have nothing to gain. But Yanni is working on a meat Eater or hunt Eat T shirt and more than likely by the time you listen to this podcast. Those will be at the Meat Eater Emerged store. Yes, right, Like a little cartoon bubble coming out of Moose's mouth says hunt Eat that he's gonna call. He's gonna hang up and call the designer, be like, hold stop, get a little speed bumpers. Got it? Um? What all states you got, Hunty? Colorado, Montana, Wisconsin, Alaska, Texas. Then we have a couple of generic hunt Eat. Yeah, so it doesn't matter what we're staying. But I want to point out that it seems to be slightly randomized what states you decided to do and not. Is there right? We put a lot of thought into what states we're deciding to do. Well, you haven't done the states with the most licensed hunters. No, we haven't, but we've thought about that. But we've been doing the like most requests, and we look at where where are you know traffic comes from? Oh, so you're being scientific about it a little bit. You're being a number to give me a second to do my Hunt to Eat pitch on this. Well, you always asked me to and I never really have it. Your concluding thought, you're a lot of concluding thought. Your concluding thought could be your pitch already use mine. My concluding thought was your T shirts. So you're concluding thought, can continue mine and do your pitch. I get to go now, Yeah, yeah, thank you. Um, if you haven't gone on the website yet, hunt to Eat spawned from us just wanting to make some cool hunting T shirts because we just like I was sick of going to Cabela's and Sportsman's Warehouse and just being like, man, I'm a hunter and I want to wear some hunting T shirts, but there's just nothing in this store that I want to wear, you know, And I had a lot of friends or like the happiness is a gut pile T shirt? Yeah exactly, It's not my thing. So as kind of an answer to that, we felt like there's this white space, were like, let's make some hunting T shirt that's just a little bit hipper. And what I want to get to is, I say we and that's be because it's my brother and I that do this Matting who a lot of times with us here on meta or shoots, but he puts a lot of effort into this. So um, maybe going forward, you can say go ahead and give you a pitch for your you and your brother's T shirt company. Let me get this straight. You're more worried about giving credit out where credit is due than just selling the T shirts. That's noble. That's a good man right there, that's a good man. I have kind of thought was going that was getting ready to each other. That rounds about till the one of the first conversations. I've been sitting here smelling mule here very strongly, and you know I don't. I always kind of get a little dirty on my on my pants, in particular when uh um Field dressing a mule deer. But it just dawned on me that possibly why that mule your smell is so strong is that I dressed basically dressed the mule deer up in the T shirt that I'm wearing. Now, do you have the T shirt back on? Yeah? Black where his black beart repellent right now? So the black bear took the shirt off, the deer got it back on. I didn't bring that many shirts, so yes, I'm wearing one of your shirts. Yeah, and I gave Garrett the shirt. We share T shirts. You got any concluding thoughts? We're backpacked and we're all Chuly one what's going on in first light, Kelly? So many things. We've got all sorts of people in there these days, and it's fun. Products are getting better and new stuff even cooler than before. And I was in there. Can I say something about something a new project I saw is it's probably hush hush. I just saw some really cool looking stuff in there. I won't say no, go for it. That new battle Clauva. Oh yeah, the new min it's new mats are cool. But you guys are using like a what do they call that, like a high pile fleece that's actually wool. That's woolen there. Yeah, yeah, it's just it's super soft. Same stuff that's inside, same stuff at the inside. The mints there we took two BC. Oh that's wool in there. Yeah really yeah, that's why it kind of balls up a little bit. I like telling you, if you're called by the Hunter, you can be stoked. Adam. Concluding thoughts, um, I don't know. This has been quite an interesting trip with you all. So it's been fun. You can come back if you guys have me for sure, let's talk about it. Yeah you didn't complain, no, no, And I I ran around with Calahands, so I had plenty to complain about. I've never heard that so succinctly put before Garrett, some of the best country to be sweaty and hurt knees and hiking in. You can see a lot. It's been a cool, cool trip. But I mean concluding thoughts about right then, right now, like any concluding thoughts based on the the podcast. Keep those questions coming, folks, All right, um, yeah, all right, meet your podcast. Tune in next time. It's going to send your questions. Go to uh the meat Eater dot com and put in questions, or go to h you go to Facebook, look up mediata on Facebook. You post questions there and I'll get putting the right thing and coming up. We're gonna start doing a question of the Question of the Day deal and answer questions every day, So answer three and sixty five questions a year. Yanni thinks we gotta send everyone who gets a question picked a T shirt. But that's a hell of a lot of T shirts to be mailing around. Um, we'll see you might do that, all right, take care