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Hot episodes of Meat Eater on Netflix Now are regularly scheduled podcast coming to you from the frigid as hell North Dakota. All right, ja siemens as a um as a way of introduction, tell what you got going on in that bucket next to you. I'm sitting beside which you don't know what because you live in Canada, you don't know that that what that thing is called. Well, you told me it's called a lug. But we kind of call everything totes, any sort of plastic containers a tote. No tote was a bag, well, plastic containers not all right, we're calling it a lug. It's a tote or lug. And we currently have a northern pike speared by Steve, a white bass copy myself, a perch caught by Mandy and the Walleyes. I think kind of a group effort. But we're doing a little catching cook shar lynch later today. So I'm pretty excited about that. Uh that that northern um when he was frozen, he didn't give off his northern smell. No, but now when they thought that like the slime, it's it's amplified. It's ideal to not let the fish freeze rock solid between you know, catching them and cleaning them. But we we let that happen. So, but when it's negative fifty with wind chill, it's kind of hard to do that. Yeah, it's hard to they freeze like from the shack of the truck. Introduce yourself a little more j and if you want, if you want, you can do your like you plug my plug, all right, you can do like you damned your better plug Canadian Angle. Yep, plug that. Uh you can plug like another thing or two maybe, but then mainly uh the fish rye okay yep, and then plug the battery you gave me, perfect and you'll be all taken care of. There you go, then I'm good. They don't even talk for the rest of the podcast. Ah. Yeah. My name is Jay Siemens. I. Uh I'm an ex fishing guide in Canada turned videographer and uh I got a series on the Media to YouTube channel called The Canadian Angle kind of a you know angle being a videographer, but angle angling fishing words. Yeah, there you go. Just Hadning picked up on that. I'm sure, what the hell? So yeah, season season two just started just like oh it all makes sense. Um yeah, season two just started dropping and it's an ice fishing uh ice fishing season with fits into what we're doing right now. But uh yeah, I make YouTube videos. Um, and I got a little got a little side house with my buddy Josh, and we make a fish batter called Catching Cook. So it's uh, can Americans buy it? We can buy it online catch cook dot net. We're slowly getting to the American retail space. But I mean I'm always eating fish, so it's like, you know what, let's let's make something of our own. So we've got spices to compete with meat eater. We got some batter and uh bat some some folding flame knives. So I'm not a batter guy. Batter, well, I mean batter coating. I mean we got the beer batter. This is like more of a just a flower based coating. Yeah, coating flower corn U there's flower some some corn meal and some other secret ingredients in there. And uh, I gifted Steve. Steve was iron up some of my gear and I got a little it's called the power box and it's a lithium battery and like a little hard sided case. Should know about this. Yeah, it's great for capping here either. No, I'm not gained that battery. You get into free battery box. Um. Yeah, it's got a couple of USBs A cigarette later. I'm always filming ice, fishing, camping, whatever, right, So you know, charge your phone twenty times off at once. But d coda a lithium power box and uh, I'm a battery guy, little plastic box. You're a big battery guy. Was you like plugging stuff in? My my fear is going fishing or showing up at a shoot, my batteries being dead, or your your life's battery died halfway through your day. So if you're if you're an avid angler, you kind of gotta be a battery person. Yeah, a lot of batteries going on. Like, especially ice fishing, there's a lot of batteries going on. A lot of like trying to keep batteries alive in the cold, and then if you're fishing out of the boat open water, a lot of batteries going on, trying to keep all your stuff round. That's made right in North Dakota. Not made, but they're they're companies based out of Northdakota. Yeah. The colda Lithium cool name. Yeah, you start a rock band called The colda Lithium, We're gonna get back to seth big time. A lot of boat stuff. We got to talk about a lot of boat dealings. Well, I might be selling I might be selling Seth my boat. Actually we're doing some dealings off. Yeah, we'll roll it into the boat talk. And then we got to talk about this little project we got called Seth side Hustle. Yeah, but this is gonna get me in a lot of trouble with Tracy because she doesn't like it when we preview uh to start promoting things that don't yet this then wind up for some reason being impossible to do. But I just can't see it. I can't foresee this being impossible. Seth Little Hustle. Yeah, it's gonna be called there'll be a drop down. If you go to the meteor dot com you'll find a little drop down it says Seth Little Hustle. Yep, man, introduce yourself now, whatever aspects of yourself, because there's sort of like you have like a dual. You have a dual, you have a dual existence. I do can you do? Can you talk about both the duels? Yeah? Heiken So by day. For the last twenty one years, I am a biologist. I've worked for the State of Minnesota and multiple different divisions and capacities. I love my job. When I'm not at that job, I do wear multiple hats. Um I'm an abbot angler. I'm also a tournament angler. So I fish year round a fish about thirty derbuts a year, multiple species. UM I used angle, I guide UH. I co host a weekly radio show. I've had a co host a TV show for the last seven years and they donate about two year two nonprofits and bets groups. So m tell about your last name. Urick. Okay, I had. I want people to know I have nothing to gain in this transaction. I'm about ready to layout nothing to gain. I had a Jackson kayak big tuna, Yes, a tandem sit on top fishing kayak for rough as water, and we had caught a lot of fish out of this thing. I got to where I was, I got to live in an area where just wasn't using it as much because just local circumstances and which wasn't applicable to where I was. And UH gave it a seth to use and you use it a couple of times, us a lot, use it a lot. But then he went on to bigger than you just and you got you got like all the olates and I used that. I used that a lot. Kelsey and I would use it floating several rivers around Montana. But it's not like a great river, you know, it's open water. It's an open water boat. So we end up just getting an old town canoe. And then, um, we didn't need the sweet boat the kayak anymore. It's got like chairs in it. It's got a perforated at live well it's not aerated, but you can put fish in there and just as you move around, it circulates water, keeps them alive. Real good. I used to use that thing all the time. Probably not tournament ready, no, not tournament ready. No. It's got an anchor system that I personally rigged up. Sweet anchor system. Um, it's got everything. So you go look for yourself what a Jackson kayak big Tune is worth. I don't know what what the hell they're worth. Worth a lot of money, Yeah, it's like a two grand to think so Ridge Pounder. We kind of pure pressured Rich Pounder in buying it. Yep, for I don't want to get into sums, but for a fraction of its value. Because he had some cockamamie plan by which he was gonna come retrieve it and bring it back to California with him so he could become a surf perch master. Sorry, it's in bows matter. Where is it? It's it's it. Yeah, it's at my house in three So now the word things stand now. I was telling christ the all day and we were sitting in shanny Um. I won off this deal because even though I gave it the Seth, once Seth sold it to Chris, I kept half that money just because the felt that that was fair. And I don't know if you remember, but you gave me that kayak because I helped you hang that big gass mirror in your house as soon as you walk in your door. Yeah, he got He got that too. So I got my mirror hung up. So here's all I want. I got my mirror hung up. I got half the very very modest sale price. Yep, Seth got half the mode of sale price. But now he's getting bones. He's had to move it around a whole bunch. But here's the big winner and this whole thing right now as stands is, Dirt Smith is gonna come take it, not pay anybody anything, and he's gonna come take it. And how's it until Ridge comes in. Yeah, he's gonna be the caretaker of it. So we're all of us, all involved parties were in a shandy the other day and I was telling Chris, just like you can't have a shandy full of whiners, you can't have a shandy full of winners. Someone's got to lose, and he's the loser. He's losing. He bought it, but he can't get it. So the reason I'm bringing this up to listeners is if someone you have to come get it out of Seth yard. Yeah, if it works out, come get in my yard. How what do they have to Let's make it a deal. They gotta give you and then you're gonna split the money with Ridge or no, yeah, you'd it with him. You wouldn't just keep the money. They're like bailing Ridge out. We're basically doing all this work for Chris and he's not doing ship. So you come and give you the listener sending. Uh you know where they should send it because you're in there anyway. Where do you want the emails to go? Info at Seth Side Hustle dot com. No, because this is nothing to do with Seth Side House, the project, the Seth Little Hustle. This is Seth Little Side Hustle. Yeah, name a price and name how they're supposed to get ahold of you? That should they d M you? Yeah? I probably just a d M to my Instagram. Tell him what it is at signs Underscore West. Um. So here's social media coming in again. Send me DM and what was I forget? The price? We were? We doesn't matter. Just just throw one out there. Thousand bucks, thousand bucks. It's like it's mint condition, mint condition, big Tuna, Jackson Kayak, phenomenal boat in sets yard. Thousand bucks. Here's what happens with that thousand bucks? Ridge Pounder gets his money back. Yeah, then set the sides. Whether he just hoards the rest for himself or splits the profits with him, it's up seth splits the profits with Chris. Yeah, no, I'm keeping it. You're just gonna give his money. You're just giving his money back. You're gonna refund it. Yeah, I'll refund his money, but then you're keeping it. But yeah, the rest I'm keeping because that's that's Chris is. That's what Chris owes me for storage, moving, for moving it, and for doing this whole transaction. Okay, that's fair. Here's the thing. You gotta come pick some bitch up though, we're not like sets not involved. Seth would be like it's in the yard, come get it and you can keep my sweet anchor. Yep, it's a fishy boat. It's seen a lot of fish. Yeah, I fished it all. My kids have fished it, my mos fished it. A lot of people fish that boats like doss boat. I feel I was. I was one time out in the middle of Canyon Ferry. There's a bunch of walleye boats out there, and I was like, well, the bite must be on out there. Didn't have my boat that I have now, so I just Kelsey and I paddled out there and we didn't catch any walleye. But we tell him that, say like, say like we slew we outfished all the balleye boats, say something like that boat, Well, it's not the boat's problem. He outfished all. What I'm saying. What I'm saying is the boat is capable to get out there with all the big wallete I just wanted to be like a different like the way the story was going, I was expecting to be that you slay well, we can say that, yeah, okay, lay out the other boat issue you guys got, But let me, let me, let me tee it up. Okay, it up. We've talked extensively over the last year about how uh seth and in Chester the Midwestern are gonna going to the Walleye Tournament. Yes, and we're like sponsoring the Walleye. They're making a show about them. We're gonna make a show about them just winning Montana. So doing the Montana leg of the Walleye Tour. Correct, it's it's the Montana. It's like the Montana Circuit, Montana Wall Eyes Unlimited doing the Montana competing in the Montana Circuit. When you get after you do that way in are you allowed to keep those fish and eat them? Or you have to go dump back in the lake? You gotta release the well this this year it's photo. It's picture and release. Okay, mildly less enthusiastic about this whole thing, But what do you mean that's fine? Um? I just thought you could be out there. I thought you could have a big old like one of like Jay's fish fry, batter, catch and cook big like you know race cars have like tied or whatever. Ye how much to wrap your boat? How you both gonna be wrapped? You know what? Maybe catch a cook is gonna sponsor you guys, because they're gonna let them all go. Well, they'll probably kill one accidentally along the way, so we can pre fish. We keep a couple, you know. Okay, let's go to wrap it. We might not even need a boat sponsorship. We're just gonna buy you a boat, catch and cook wrap there the little jack a little raising jackets and stuff to say, catching cookoun be sweet? That would be sweet and be good for ja. So you're gonna do this thing. We're gonna make a show. We're gonna making a YouTube series, right, help me out? Yeah, to pick it up? Sell me up? How many don't don't end up like you did the kayak story that ended? Yeah, So it's it's four stops. Unfortunately one of them is on the day I get married this year, so you're gonna have to leave the wedding early. We we're only doing three. We're doing three of the four, derby is what you only need to do three of the four to angler the year? Yeah, that's what you guys are gonna do. So and so and how did it wind up being that you got scheduled to get married? Just just bad coincidence, it's too late to move the wedding. Yeah. Yeah, do you know I'm the I'm going to be the preacher at Seth wedding. Can I talk about that? Yeah, go for it. I'm gonna be the preacher at Seth wedding. What's the date for that? J Do you have to do an online like certification? I gotta look into that. I might check it right now, but cost fifteen dollars. And you're ready to go back to the wally. So we I have a I got a sixteen and a half foot It's a sweet boat Sylvan. But if anybody is familiar with Fort Pack, and is that one of the locations one of the locations that I'm really excited about Stop number one. It's big and Seth and I could be out there in my little sixteen and a half footer and and I have a sixteen and foot sixteen and a half foot cress liner that is not capable. Yeah you guys are you guys are boat poor? Underbot your ambition rich yet boat poor? The wind could come up and we could be um. It would be like the Trump Fitzgerald yea, the legend lives on. It would be a song written about Lake Michigan steams like young man's dreams. It's islands and Bazar for sportsmen. Uh, these boys need a boat. We need a boat. If I owned a boat company, pert just per means just me speaking. If I owned a boat company and I was like, and I was sitting there with my marketing budget ship right, and I was like, what am I gonna do this year for my marketing budget? And I'm like on Instagram checking out, like, Oh, here's a fishing influence or whatever. And I caught wind of the fact that Seth and Chester are doing uh meat Eater YouTube series about their quest to become Angler of the Year. High production value in the boat was gonna be like the star like you want to talk about impressions, the boats like the main thing you want to talk about impressions. I'm just saying if I owned the boat company, I would be hitting sets d M or go to What's yours musky Chat, go to muskie Chat or just contact at the mediator dot com, and I would be like dropping a lot of I would be calling people. How do they put it? Jay, you had to happen to you one time because the boat shortages I'm trying to think with the well, it just they they shuffle, Yeah, things move around. Jay's watching his ass right now because he doesn't want jameson I get implicated in any of this. I would be sitting there looking and I'd be like, man, I'm gonna get those boys a Walleye boat. That's right, even though you gotta understand it's gonna be raft with catching cook big a lotcraft guy Manny's Manny's a lenon or also we both kind of. I mean, I think it's you got to be fishing in the limit craft. But hey, I like, I don't discriminate at this point. Beggars can't be choosers. Ye, A boat, a Walleye boat company needs to come in and help these boys out so they can get out there and not be out in them little boats of theirs. Now, what if the Walleye Boat Company came and said you can use this boat for that? Then you got to give it back. It's yeah, see it's better nothing. But if we could be you know, going to the Elite series Bess too. No, I'm just kidding. Let me another thing. Let me lay out an earth thing for you. What I think would have to happen. Just so you know, what I think would have to happen is I think we would have to do it like this. They'd probably wind up having to they'd probably have to give the boat to me either. Yes, but would be like your guy's boat to use and take care of. And I would make it be that people had to come ask you permission to use it. But in the future, how would you guys divide the boat up? Would you fight over it? Would you wrestle over eight percent of the time when we're fishing, we're together, so you don't foresee it being a big issue. You could you feel that you two could effectively co own a boat? Yeah, I'm pretty easy going. Yeah, I'd let Seth use it whenever. Well we share, we've Yeah, you know, what were you getting two problems when you call own stuff and I've never had because I own I call owned the fish act. We never had the issue someone says, I think we were doing for a new boat, and we got we're gonna buy a new boat, and someone says, like, I don't want to do that. Yeah, you know, we've never had that problem. We've always unanimously agreed on like priorities, but you could have a situation where one he's like, I want to redo the electronics package. Everyone's like, man, I can't afford I don't want to do that. So they're like, well, I'm gonna go do it anyway, and then you then now you have bitterness. Yeah, I could see this boat really been you two apart. I can't if it ever came to that, I'd be like, you know what, you can have that boat. Oh yeah, have you have you have you guys fish tournaments before? Is this gonna be like the first tournaments into the full tour. It's really cute. We fished out when other people were this is the cutest thing in the world. It's the cutest thing in the world. There's a tournament going on, and they went and fished together that day just to see how they could you wage your own fish that day and saw you would have stacked up if you paid the entry. Yeah. If we well, we fished and then we went and looked at the board and we would have done very well. Yeah. So if you if you have a boat company and you want to get on board with some winners and get some high profile exposure. These boys need a Walleye boat. Here's another thing. If any green lip dude, this is happening, I was in on the meeting, any other winnings. We're not keeping them. We're not taking that putting it in our pocket, um, which you know would be nice putting it. We're actually we're actually, oh my god, we're not doing that. Definitely not doing that, Steve. We're gonna put it back towards um like access like a boat ramp improvements, UM, fish cleaning station on. However, Seth and I, you know some project that had that's related to the bodies of water where you guys right, So some project related to access enhancement, M ramp improvements like fish clean whatever, whatever the you know, whatever whatever date needs, whatever whoever needs. We had a we had a guy right into us saying that there he's a guy who owns a company that makes those like prefab concrete outhouses. Because we talked about like if boat ramp needs a shifter or something, be like something we'd invest in. That guy was like, let me know, we'd be sponsored by catching cook and boat ramp ship. So now you lost half to wrap. Yeah, you don't even get the port side is gonna be catching cooked side. It's gonna be boat ramp shitters. U let me let me review this for boat manufacturers. Here's what you're getting, massive impressions when the show comes out. Um, you're helping access if if they win some some loot, you get that. You're tied to that generous gesture because they're not pocketing any loot. Um, I can tell you one day you can use the boat if you want. You can just borrow it back on seth wedding day. He's not gonna be using it. Help so you can do a Walleye trip. Boats already up in Montana. Do a walleye trip June. No problems, no conflicts. Um, they ain't come fish with us any time. They throw this in full. This in here's another thing, and this has a lot of value. We will talk about that boat on this show ten times. Oh wow, and enormous valt on my personal instagram. How many times that's in my whole instagram will just be around that boat. Okay, I'm just I'm just lending you. I can't do I'm just lending my boat. I want to fill to install that astonishment with We will spend so much time on that boat. We'd probably get like a WiFi hotspot on that boat and just work on the boat. I spend a certain amount of time in my boat that's not as much as I like because of windy days. I can't get out there on windy days. Man. I think the boat manufacturers gonna beating your door down, Dude. I think we're just gonna cut this out and I'm just giving you my boat. That's all. That's all compelling. This whole thing is. Yeah, I see, I see the value. We sell a lot of catching covers. Okay, you're ready to move on that. That covers boat news. Now, people are probably so excited about the wallet boat they forgot about the big tune of kayak. But remember, uh vaccinating zoo animals. Wow, this has been going on for quite a while. But I want to cover like the transition, you know, yeah, you like the transition. There had transitions being Walleye boats vaccinating zoo animals. This caught my eye. They were a picture of where they're fixing the vaccinate some stuff for COVID. The feending that I was reading an article where the Phoenix Arizona Zoo is the latest to vaccinate animals that are likely to get COVID because of close contact with humans. I didn't know this. Um Nebraska's Lincoln Children's Zoo, they lost three snow leopards to COVID. Really yeah, so they worked up It was this outfit that worked up this uh. Zotis Zodis, a global animal health company based in New Jersey, worked up some kind of vaccine, donated doses for the zoos, and they got authorized emergency use for endangered species. So they've been vaccinating um, Sumatran tigers, jaguars, African lions. Hit him with a dark gun. Huh for those unvaccinated folks, a better watch out sometimes people, the government's just gonna come over dark. Yeah, that's a good conspiracy to start. I worked up another conspiracy. Young gonna start, Like there's kind of a fun one to start about how to stay warm and cold weather, um, like a physiology. And then we could work one up that we heard, like all those black helicopters that we're gonna do like you know, New World Order, they're now just using them to vax people who don't who won't get vaxed with tranked darts. That's what happened to Chester's cousin All right Chester. Um they've been did I say African lions with it? With a dart um born Ian orangutangs, Emperor tamarins. They're hitting the fruit bats. That seems that makes sense to me, Gypsian fruit bats, Armadilla's sloths. That must be a pretty tiny dose in a bat. Yeah, how do you think who is being interesting? Who calculates that? Out? At that zoo, the Phoenix Arizona Zoo, they've they've they've they've needled seventy five animals. I'm gonna put this on my Instagram, a picture of a jaguars doing and I had the comment on as what I'm gonna put on Instagram is a comment about I could picture it calls using creating some real soul searching. At Peter people for the ethical treatment of animals, they probably will have to have a meeting about whether they like vehemently oppose or vehemently support because they're down on zoos anyway, they're down on pet ownership, right, So how do they feel like this animal has no say? Like they don't like um sexual mutilation of animals when you when you cut their nuts off and stuff. Maybe they do. I don't know, but um, yeah, like are they how do you spend that in that org? Good question, like are they like pissed or do they like it? Because you one could argue, one could say, hey, man, it's not the jaguar's fault that he's in the zoo. That sucks for him. They shouldn't be able to do that. But since he is there, the least you can do is keep him from dying catching COVID. Like that's a pro coach or would be. The other approach would be, this is yet another example of us forcing our will on animals without there consent, you know, consent. Yeah, there are some internal meetings about that. I feel like they should dial me in for those meetings. I'd be like, listen, man, I know you and I got our differences, but I'm very interested in this one and we should have we I'd like to help hash this one out. Yeah, that's crazy. After we did our episode, which one you guys can remember who was on these shows? Were you guys there for Doug and Halflefinger? No, we were there with no theat it was called talking about things that are not sexy to talk about. That was Spencer and who else was there? Not well in the in the episode talking about things that are not sexy to talk about. I talked about Doug send me mean text Messa just and trying to start a fight with me over text, and Doug said he wasn't trying to be mean, it's just his text messages sometimes seemed mean, and he says he wished he He said he needs to be better about moderating his tone on text messages. Help. Yeah, but I refuse to use emojis. There's no way in the world. Didn't you say thumbs up? Was like he didn't carry your piste off Like I tried the thumbs up one time and felt so bad I could barely sleep that night. I will not. I don't when I text, I don't use abbreviations. I spelled everything out. I punctuate everything basically. If you imagine, my texts are the opposite of Trump's tweets. I don't like everything is like perfect in my text mess I try to make it perfectly my text messages. I don't use emojis, but when I get him. But my daughter knows I hate emojis, so she'll now and then get on her mom's phone and just send me like five page streams of of emojis. Um, you gotta, I mean, let me tell you go ahead. No like voice you seem like the type of guy that do voice messages, busy guy. Do that? Aith that because I'm afraid there'd be a type of in it. No, no, no, but like straight straight voice like not even not even voice the tax just like voice memos. No, I don't do this, do that? No, you know what's funny about Um, here's another story about that. Okay, put this one on hold. About Doug, I'm gonna tell another Dog story. We laughed for like two years about this because Doug was doing there's some argument with Doug drn, I can't remember what it was. And Dog was doing like talking into the text, and Doug was trying to settle a disagreement with someone, saying that he would arm wrestle them for it. But the way his voicing put down is that he was gonna farm wrestle them for it. And we had a lot laughs about what exactly farm wrestling. Dog and Mom like what farm wrestling means, and we came up with a lot of a lot of definitions about what a farm wrestling match might look like. For Doug like, never go to dogs for farm wrestling. Um. There's an app, folks, folks you know about this. It's called Our Family Okay, our Family Wizard Communication app. A guy wrote in, I deal with this problem of tonality and text messages. I deal with this problem all the time in the context of parents who can't seem to communicate nicely with one another. This is divorced parents in dealing about their kids, so divorced parents taking care of kids. I deal with this problem all the time in the context of parents who can't seem to communicate nicely with one another, and the court will often have them use the Our Family Wizard communication app with the tone meter feature turned on Our Family Wizard dot com slash Knowledge, Dash Center, Slash tips, Dash Tricks, slash Parents, Dash Website, slash tone meter. It'll be in the notes. You got that written now, and you can get that out analyze your tone with tone meter. They make suggestions about how to make it seem nicer. Watch this transition correction about gunshot wounds and tampons. Okay, we're talking about we covered pretty heavily. Uh. People writing in about plugging up gunshot wounds of tampons. Apparently in the medical community this is frowned upon first responders. Military people are implored not to do this. This fellaw that rolled in goes. It is worrying that more people are talking about the improper in this case use of a tampon to control massive bleeding. It can be both dangerous due to debris for getting to breas further into the wounds, but in a prehospital environment it could be fatal. Tampons are not sterile? How is that true? Tampons are not sterile? In an article in the Emergency Medicine Journal highlights that when it comes to life threatening bleeding, a tampon cannot provide the surface area or the pressure required to control massive bleeding. Tampons absorbed blood, they do not provide any hemostatic assistance. The average tampon can absorb nine million leaders of blood or about two teaspoons. Life threatening bleeding occurs when there is a greater than fifteen hundred million leaders of blood. Once it absorbs its max, wouldn't it just still keep that whole plug now? Apparently not so. Just a tourniquet or hemostatic dressing is preferred to control massive bleeding. Regular as maybe used, but it needs to be in sufficient amount. The American College of Surgeons and Stop the Bleed Program recommends when you do not have hemostatic dressing, sterile dressings, or a tourniquet us clothing to pack a wound shirt pants, even if it's covered in body sweat. It's more likely to provide a hemorrhage control than a tampon. Huh. What brought this up is we're decorating the family Christmas tree this year and our kids were asking about these little snowman ornaments that my wife had and they were like wondering what it was. And I had never seen them before, but they're like little snowman's made out of tampons as a Christmas ornament. And then somehow it came up. Yeah, huh. My uncle one time at a boat ramp slices leg real bad on the hitch and walking around the back of the truck. It's deadly to walk around the back of a truck. MAXI path on the cut and still went fishing. But yeah, he's still living. Put that whoever wrote in put that in your pipe and smoke it. Chester's uncles live. And well, do we need to get to the root. Though, where did he get the maxipad from? Like why did he have this maxis? Where did this come from? Like is this part of his like emergency kit that he keeps with him, like digging around the globe, digging around in the truck and his wife. I didn't ask him. I'll be like Uncle Pete, let's get Uncle Pete down the show. We'll talk about about it. We'll do the whole episode about this. A guy wrote in see he made up this word, but he we were talking about some of this came up on an episode a long time ago of a guy that wrote in that, Oh remember those boys, Remember when Luke Combs is on the show, and those guys were talking about some friend of theirs that when he uses the restroom he needs to take all his clothes off. It's just like it's like this is a real thing. It's like a psychological disorder. Yeah, I know someone like that. Yeah. This guy came up with a name called fiece pantaphobia. He made the word up, but he said, it's like it's an actual thing. It's like this like intense fear of pooping on your pants, like contact with feces and sufferers, sufferers of which he is one. They take, they undress, and you say, when he's pooping out in the woods, it's like he has still undressed. I worries about in the woods when you're wearing bibs and heavy clothing, and it's like, but I'm pooped back into my bibs. Has well not not yet for me. But we had careful Dirt told the great was the Dirt told that story. Dirt told a great story on on the show years ago, or maybe not a while ago, about a guy he knows that um can he he was a heavy equipment operator and one day he's in his equipment all day and he's smelling like the unmistakable smell of human feces, but he can't figure out the source, and he's checking his clothes and nothing makes sense, and eventually he realizes that he had landed one on his suspender. Oh so it had got on his suspender right here, right, so all day when he turned to the right, you know, but then when he dropped down, when he'd like dropped his bridges and everything to try to investigate what went wrong. He never suspected that MEA's an air fresher hanging off his ear. Uh there was a guy. Oh you'll you'll appreciate this, JA, he wrote, I am not the only one, A good buddy of mine. That was what the Canadian Armed Forces. You're probably excited now, aren't you. Minnico. I had to explain to j why Canadians lacked at l that American girl. Oh yeah, we got right into it. I felt attack. I'm proud to be Canadian, but yeah, I love Canadians. Man. Every time I go up to Canada, I think North the Colin's are isest. Canadians. Don't get any ideas about invading this year. I know it, like it couldn't be nice if we could just yeah, don't go and get don't don't get any ideas about Red Dawn in North Dakota. UM friend of the Canadian Forces told me the story about when they were on maneuvers that required bio security suits to be warned for an extended period of time. A fellow soldier I actually got this is not the word he used, but we'll say poopy dab inside his suit and because of the nature of the maneuvers they wereround, had to wear that suit for twenty four hours. Brutal. He now we'll not poop in the woods without taking his pants off. I mean, that's understandable. That's a scarring, scarring twenty hours. I was saying how I wanted to go around and like you know when you're driving down the road and they have like a silence, as like historical marker ahead, and you pulled over and be like at this site the first gristmill was right opened in seventeen o sevt Um. I was saying, they should do that where birds went extinct. But they do do that where birds went extinct. I didn't know this. The Lost Bird Project already did it. They've erected memorials to the heath hen Carolina Parakeet, Labrador Dock, Great oc Passenger pigeon, the Great oc Up in your neck of the woods, there j Up in Canada, the heath hen Um in New England, Carolina parakeet down the floor them, the passenger pigeon in Ohio, the Labrador dock in New York, all these little memorials. And then they sent some pictures of the various memorials. In they have a bronze statue of Martha, the last passenger pigeon, at her near the aviary where she died. It's funny how all of those are out east, like those memorials. Yeah, it's interesting point they dot the eastern seaboard. Maybe they don't have a travel budget. Guy running about cooking diaphragms, So someone wrote in saying that he's always cut the diaphragm off his big game harvest and left it with the gut pile. But then this is someone right in. But then you got to think, and why not eat the muscle since it looks like it could make a pretty decent sized meal. Well, thankfully, Um, this guy's probably been eating diaphragm his whole life. Doesn't know it. So oh, when you go and you get um flank steak, skirt steak, right, skirt steak is like skirt is diaphragm. So it's like skirt is where the diaphragm hooks into the rib cage. So when you're getting a deer and you go to like when you're gotting the deer and you want to clear the diaphragm out so you can pass everything back, and you trace the diaphragm along the wall of the rib like that that junction where the diaphragm kind of goes into a little mass and muscle that seems to be like glued up against the ribs. That skirt and hanger is like the rear part of the diaphragm. So you've been eating that stuff your whole life. The problem is on deer, it's just not like big enough the mess with. But you get up into something like a moose, you can make you can do like legit skirt steak off moose. Kevin Gillespie goes on to say, you should also tell him that on larger animals, the chef, Kevin Gillespie, you should also tell them that on larger animal such as biss and will the bees elk, there's another muscle that sits just below the diaphragm and helps it contract. Technically it is the crewa of the diaphragm, but culinarily we know it as hangar steak. And it's incredible. Now here's what I want to dig into a fair bid because this has enormous implications. This just happened Utah. So a while ago I hit the news the Arizona was banning trail cams during hunting season. Okay, Montana, right now, you can't use trail cams during hunting season that transmit a signal, so the transmit messages. So a divided Utah Wildlife Board voted to band trail cam for hunting. When these motion activated devices are used to aid in the taking of game, their uses like a sally proliferated all over place. There are there. I've seen stuff on social media. This is not the article I'm looking at, but just me talking, I've seen stuff on social media where guys will go to like a water hole in the Arizona Strip and they'll be twenty four trail cams hanging around. Um. Sometimes they're used like this, just speaking personally, Sometimes they're used. Is kind of like you see some strange use of trail cans on public land to uh. I was hunting turkeys with my kids in the area, but it was like a pretty popular hiking trail, right and it's game uses it, But it's through this kind of like big landscape funnel through a little pass and a lot of animals use it. But people use it all the time and like eyeball level there it is, you know, and you can't really go through the area. Like when you go through there, you're sort of like submitting to be photographed. It's not even like in a sort of a discrete out the way plays. It's just like and I remember going by it and I actually started having my kids. I'm like, you know what, go around that way. I just don't want like, oh my, I don't want pictures of my kids like some guy's trail cam. I don't know. Uh yeah, that's kind I gotta I got a story that kind of ties these two together, the pooping and the trail camps. That's great. Why didn't you do that earlier? Well I didn't. I didn't know the trail cam topic is gonna come up. But my uncle Mark and I that's a good explanation. We were Uncle Mark and I were coming back from hunting and I was like, yeah, I just gotta check this trail cam. And he'd been hunting the same property as me. So we we park and we walk and all said. His face just drops and he's like, you had a trail camp set there. I'm like, yeah, well, what's the big deal. He's like, oh I I did. Uh I did some business right over there, right in front of the trail cam the other day. So sure enough, trail camp pictures of him. I think I deleted those. I had a trail cam behind our fish shack and my body pulled the art. I still haven't gotten the card back because his wife was peing back there and he took the card. Um. Now, as I covered this piece of as I talked about this subject, I want people to know that I right now, at this moment, like at this moment, I have a trail came out on private land um, and I have a trail cam out on public land that I was fixing to go fetch but haven't gone fetched. But it's not like a transmitting one. Okay, so I have one out. So is this is this band just for public landtall or is it just private and public during hunting season? Used to be used in the aid and the taking a game, but it goes. There's some other wrinkles of this that are really interesting. This this band applies to cameras with internal storage memory, as well as those that transmit images to the hunter cell phone. The prohibition does not apply to private landowners monitoring their property and agricultural operations, oh or municipalities participating in the urban Deer program, but it does apply to most hunting on both private and public land. That's pretty straightforward. I've rolled in with this. Which is very interesting is it's also banned this. Okay, again, there's something that Arizona did and you taught it. These are not like these are these are very conservative states, right, these are? Uh? You know this isn't you know if you've heard about this coming no offense, it was like from New Jersey. You could picture someone being like, that's not fair to the animals, you know, um in sort of the wrong way. But this is like very like an internal hunting dialogue. This is I don't think that like I'm guessing. I'm trying to find a way to to to express this more clearly. This isn't like in these states. I suspect that it's not the case of non hunting individuals screwing with hunters, like in the case where you get like a band on bear hunting. It's like it's not coming from hunters. It's coming from nine hunters trying to dick with hunters. This is like an internal hunting conversation in these states. Is my gut on this. From what I've read about it, it's like it's in a conversation among the hunting community. They've also and this is really interesting. I want to dedicate these next few sentences of Spencer new Hearth because you know, Spencer always is such painting the ass belt stuff. Well, well, the other day while we were loading up to while we're getting ready to go Pike Spearing, how did you notice me being on the phone. I was on the phone Spencer new Hearth, what was he being a painting? The asked Belt about me, saying to him, I'm like, I want to um do a deep dive on our website. I want to have one of our like, like one of our sort of investigative writers do a deep dive about what is the future of trail came us and he was like, oh, probably won't be like a huge performer, but we'll probably do a guy. He didn't talk like that beach nut you know he's but he's he's usually right about that kind of stuff. He's really good at. That's not the part he's being the paying the ASPT. I said to him also, and I already texted him this morning about this. I said to him, also, I think that you should probably start paying attention to thermal night vision stuff. I think that there's gonna be a lot of discussions about thermal night vision, and then we went on to discuss how it's pretty fringe because it's like hog hunters, right, and hogs are hog hunters are killing invasive hogs, um like totally unregulated, like people are trying to get rid of him. So who would ever have a complaint with that? Right? And then increasingly Kyle hunters, it's like rewriting predator hunting thermal night vision stuff, changing everything. And I said, but I still advise you, and he was kind of he was kind of like dismissive of what I was saying. Utah has banned thermal imaging night vision devices and I'm guessing this doesn't say but but I know from I've heard more and more and more and more from people who are using it to scout. Mm hmm. Yeah, that you can go out in the dark and get onto a herd elk in the dark and monitor their movements through the night and be ready for a legal light. Yeah, makes sense. And follow them right, find them in their beds. Find you can go out, you can find where DearS bedded, no problem. Um, so you tab is uh thrown at in what sort of range to those things have like how how close to you have to be to the animal for it to not close. We had the Uh, I've been very curious about it, so I I got to spend some time with UM some thermal night vision equipment. Ah, we got some. So there's a place Ultimate night Vision and they rent UM Thermal night Vision gere and we got something to go out and uh hunt coyotes tonight for a couple of nights. And it's like a big learning curve and you're learning to use it. But I'll tell you one of the main things about it is like it is really interesting to see what goes on at night in just a different way. The way animals behave and stuff is so just different at night. It was like like I'm I'm like happy for the experience of going out and witnessing what it looks like. You gotta learn it and there's a lot of stuff with death perception that's hard, but I mean it was cool, man. And you know, this is after all the big game seasons were over, so like this sort of thing, like using it for hunting of a big game wasn't have any implications for us because the season was done anyways. But in Texas, no, no, we didn't know. We used the Montana at night. Um and just like using predator calls at night and seeing the way it just the different attitude that things have at night about that call. Um. But that yeah, so they they they did that. So to craft this camera rule, they surveyed nine thousand licensed hunters seeking data on how people are going about it. Right, this surprised me. Of those mugs hadn't used trail cams. Mhm uh. Only eight percent of the mugs they interviewed. We're using transmitting cameras. I don't though, I'd be way hirer now. I think that stuff is just catching on. Though, yeah, I don't know. I didn't know that like a year from now, I think that would be totally different. You think, So it's just catching It's just I think it's just catching on those transmitting cameras, Like I've just had headaches with them so many times, and it's like, I consider myself a techie person and it's still just like, you know, you've got a lot of people who can barely use your cell phones, let alone try to figure out how to link a camera. And then yeah, I think you're going to see more and more because of the price point. Right, the price points already dropped in half for what it was like three or four years ago totally where it was four or five six hundred dollars for those and now you can get a decent one for you. That's a good point because even like with j what what your live scope? You have a garment live scope. I was like jealous of that, and in the back of my head like, man, I guarantee like in a year it's gonna be half the price, and a year I'll get it for half the price and it will somehow be better. It's gonna get there. But you're like, you're like early, You're like an early adopter on a live scope. Yeah, And if you're a tournament guy, it's like that's the edge. You need to spend that little bit of extra money to get that edge. And if Garman wants to send these boys couple life scopes to the Walleye Tour to this, I wouldn't have they kicked one in for me. And they should know that I have a lot of garment products, dude, and I just ordered garment dive watch. I have a garment man I got a lot of garm wrot, so I haven't got my dive watch yet. I got an MK one. Um tell's that talking about Oh here's the other even I'm going like, normally, if you study journalism in college, they'll tell you this. They'll tell you like, when you're write an article, put the most important thing up top, and then you work down in levels of interest and importance. Right, so it be like, um, Seth dies, right, and you go down and be like, oh, so that's how Seth died. And then you go down a little more and invention at the botmo wo be like Seth had a dog. You know, it's sort of the article to flow like that pretty cool dog. I'm doing the opposite because here's the most interesting part of this to me coming at the end. UH. They're putting an end to the sale of data and images produced by trail cameras, meaning there are guys like and I know some of these guys. There are guys that are professional scouts and they sell um their professional scouts that find animals and sell animals to Governor's tag holders. They sell animals to outfitters, so they'll go out and they'll find like you know, they go out and find like a two right, they can sell that knowledge about that animal and sell the photos of that animal in the way points. That would be a tough thing for them to crack down on. One of the guys that didn't like this rule that they interview, Um, they mentioned uh uh, he had a hard time with enforcement because you're saying like, okay, on private land, you can use it to monitor your property. Okay. So this guy is like, big Buck can't look at that. I'm not gonna let that change my hunt plans. Yeah, yeah, that's gonna be tough. Um. Just yr day, I uh ext of the body mine because we're trying to plan out next year's Bobcat trip and I texted a body mine that he said, you got any what's going on with bobcats up in your neck of the woods? Right? What's he sent me two seconds later? True camp picture of a Bobcat And that probably influenced my decision making at that point where I was like, oh, who tell me more? Right, not able to sell that stuff if you're a professional scout scouter, which it kind of makes sense in a way. Fair chase get that little clap. I did go find it yourself. Yeah. I like that. I don't know what it means. Man felt like transition. Yeah, I just felt like a needed to put a clap in there. He was like a book end. Yeah, that's what it meant to be. It was like a book closing. So let me let me you know, I did my book closed too early. I think that I wonder if this is gonna be a thing because if you're sitting at home trying to think about how technology intersects with hunting and hunting practices, fishing practices. Um, I think there's a great example to be found in drones. And I was talking to this with o' beach nut the other day, Spencer. Uh, while you guys are loading up gear and we were talking, we were talking about the example of what happened with drones. Okay, the minute drones became like the minute there was a discussion about using drones for hunting, like overnight, thirteen states and in a bunch more fouled. But immediately thirteen states in the West, like open country states where drones will be particularly helpful because they're open ground. Thirteen states came in and said no, no drones and hunting, no use of drones and hunting, and I was like, it was interesting that they got on it so fast because they did it before there was a user group, before it had become woven into the hunting culture. And Spencer brought up he said, but drones went from zero to sixty because like the initial the first initial thing that was good for was it was good for mounting a camera. That's like what made them what they were. Like if you couldn't mount a camera at them, it's a toy helicopter, like no one cares. So He's like, it went from zero to sixty and you could immediately see it. He goes, if you go back in trail camp history, was like a thing could like initially a thing could like tell you that something passed by, right, and it evolved and you and you built up this user group of people, You built up a big industry for it. There's a lot of companies that make trail cams. People have been using trail camps for a decade or more, right, but then trail camps hit to this certain level of sophistication and this certain price point, whereas now it's like very achievable to get a camera that sends you messages that says like right now, right now, there's a buck in that field to your phone, and so for now for state game agencies to want to go like, man, it's kind of getting ridiculous. Now we gotta let clamp down on this. You're gonna be battling against people who this is like woven into their cultural fabric of hunting. Well, and there's more. It's just gonna be harder. And drones were like they got drones before drones were a thing. Yeah, well there's more gray area with the trail camps. Like you said, the landowners, a drone is like if you put a flying object in the sky with a camera, it's like that's a no go. But the the trail camp thing is a little more touchy. Like a lot of provinces will say you can't even have your drone along when you're hunting, like if it's and that for me that stuff because I'm always filming stuff. But like even from a non hunting standpoint, if you just you just can't have the drone in your vehicle, like that's a no go. A lot of states you can't. You can't be like like say I I'm chat and I are hunting a property and I see a buck heading his way, I can't text him be like hey jet, big buck coming, like be ready. But you know you can have in the stag. You're gonna have a trail camera that's on a trail a couple of hundred yards from you and get a picture, uh picture sent to your phone of a buck walking past that trail camera heading in your diction. Same thing. It's the same damn thing. You know what? What else Spencer annoyed me about when I was talking to him about doing like a big thing like sort of the pros the cons get a bunch of perspectives on like where trail cams are headed. I was saying to him, Um, I don't want to I don't want you guys all. He's the guy I'm gonna talk about. It's been on the show, but I'm not gonna say who is. There's there's a guy I know that manages a large property. He's been on the show. Um, I'll let him talk with us, but I want to talk about it for him and name him anyway, he said, and he's in a state where there's no prohibitions on trail cams whatsoever. He this year for the first time ever during hunting season turned him all off. He said it was just changing the game so much and getting too weird. Yeah, that he knew where everything because he's got twenty some of you know, out and wonderer and he's a he's a property manager on a hunting property, and it just got to be where like it just rewrote everything. One's coming down the field edge right now. Well, that's kind of just like the Liveshop got the message. It's just like lavescope, you see the fish coming. They can't hide anymore. It's like so he voluntarily turned his he voluntarily turned his off, and he said it was nice. He was like he was glad that he didn't and wanted into want like sort of change in the hunt and season and uh so anyway, Spencer's like, yeah, well that's kind of an anomaly and that doesn't matter. I'm like, you wouldn't be able to if you were a journalist, you wouldn't be able to write about murder, because murders an anomaly, you know what I mean. He wouldn't be able to be like so and so brutally murdered someone because that's weird. By his logic. Yeah, you see what I'm saying. Why it was why Spencer was so annoyingly there with all this crazy technology. Oh sorry, I was going to do the bookend again. Go ahead, Chester. With all this crazy technology, it just makes me think that people just have to be as responsible as they can with it. And obviously, you know, like with live scope for instance, being able to target a school of crop e is way better than you used to once people actually really figure out how to use it, not just going out there and like just limiting and keeping their limits all the time, you know, um, just being responsible with it. Well, there's like a I call it a wives tale, but we say back home that if you if you laid out a percent of the fish that are caught, right, a hundred percent of those fish are caught by less of those anglers, right because of skill, because of ability, because of mobility, things like that. Electronics are changing that that percentage, like you're saying, is definitely going to go up because it's no longer about just knowing patterns or having the right baits or you know, the boat take get there. Those electronics take the guess work. The guests were completely out of it, Like map chips. When you can go to a lake you've never been to before and you have one foot contours. I remember, like ten years ago official with my buddy and he would have like pictures and we triangulate it and it was just, you know, it felt so archaic. And now there's just you roll up to a lake and you can have where all the old roadbeds are and weed lines and everything. M hmm. Yeah, here's the final thing I'm gonna say about it. They're I'm gonna do the book end thing again. Um, we'll all do that the count of three. If everyone w everybody's good. But I think that, uh, like I've explained, I've tried to explain it. Perspective on this a handful of times where when looking at like practices, hunting practices, I tend to I tend to take their approach were like historical use patterns. Okay, like historical use cultural practices like that stuff needs to be honored and respected if it's something that's if it's a sustainable practice and people have been doing it a long time, like I'd honor that. So if you're in a state where people have run black bears, a hunted black bears with hounds and they've been doing it and they have a stable bear population and they've been at it for two hundred years. Um. To me, that's like that's in, that's grandfathered in. Like, don't mess with that, right, it's a it's a it's a cultural practice. I think that like as you get into the technology stuff, UM, you're gonna continue, You're gonna have to continue to have conversations about Um. I think it's fair game to have conversations about incoming technology. I'd rather do that than go and revisit cultural practices and try to like get rid of that stuff. And you got and I think that you got. If you're if you're a manager, I think you gotta look like out in the horizon and you gotta see what's coming and if and if you think something's gonna become problem bag down the road, I would suggest that you get on a little early before it becomes woven into the into the cultural fabrica you know, in the hunting community. And it's gonna be hard if you came in now and said, you know what, after careful consideration, I think that the compound bow is just too effective. Right, good luck, right, good luck, but you could honestly have had that chat they're trying there. There's talks about live bait getting cut out of Manitoba, and that's something it's like, well, these people have been using live bait for however many years. It's been grandfathered in, so it's a it's a tough discussion. Yeah, if you're getting rid of live bait to make room for live scopers to catch more fish, that's a real problem for me. It's a real problem for me. The crossbow things another big issue, all right, one two? Right, Okay, everybody's don't talk about Mandy. Can you do me the favorite laying out like where we are and what's going on, and about how everything is underwater ship like that, take it away. Uh, because you grew up in this neck of the wood, so you got like an inside your you have land. It's currently Uh, people are prye fishing on your land right now. They are They actually are that that that is for sure. Uh. Most people would call it BF. But we are in the beautiful state of North Dakota. We're in the Devil's Lake area currently, we are on the far far west end over in the Midwakan area. And our cozy shock chet here double wide. Uh. Yeah, it's just a really small community that's that's grown a little bit with the oil booms out for a little bit further out west. But it's a fishing community. It's a fishing farming community. Um. Yeah, and you're talking about about the lake growing. Uh, it's blown up. Obviously, it's been a big deal. It's been going on now. It's hard to say that it's been going on for a couple of decades. I really the water eyes correct. So, um, the lake actually for like the the eight most of the eighties, we were kind of in a drought pattern here. Um. The interesting part two is when we're in a drought pattern and the waters were exceptionally low, like there was really high mercury levels here in the water. Uh, the salinity levels were really high. Like there was actually like warnings out for the amount of fish and that you could eat based on those things. Um. So yeah, we had some historic snow events. We got back to regular rain patterns, snow patterns. We had a five hundred year event, a hundred year events, and then regular more regular rain events. And I think it's like a million acres plus now. But it's so odd to see that. Uh roads are gone, houses are gone, farms are gone, tree lines are gone on uh roads have been built up fifty six ft in some areas to make them still passable. Other ones they've just completely abandoned. UM. It's yeah, And tell about tell about the place you grew up on, just just as an example. So where I grew up on over on Black Tiger Bay, which actually used to be the farthest east portion of Double's Lake. UM, where we actually fish to day one was actually not connected point to where your place would have been. Correct. Uh. Yeah. The water just started started rising and actually rose fairly quick the first couple of years to the to the point where UM accesses had to be moved. People lost homes, you could move cabins, things like that, and it just swallowed it up. Like if you couldn't if you couldn't physically move that structure, it's gone. Were they gutting those houses of UM like like hauling away propane, hauling away like stuff they didn't want to get in the water, or was it happening too fast? That's a really good question. Like where we were at, you jumped on it as fast as you could, but there was still so you had to pick and choose, right, like the structures that you could possibly change, and they're just we're remote here and you can only move so much. Um. Realistically, we gave like we gave trailers away. We just sent it out there and just said come get them because we're going to lose them, right, Like, we didn't have the money to pay all that to have them moved, but we didn't want them to go to waste, and we definitely didn't want them to be underwater, right, so just come get these structures. They're yours. But it's weird to say that there's where we're at. There's a mile and a half underwater. It's underwater, like it's gone under under like under sixty under sixty vertical feet of water. But you have to go a mile and a half out from the shoreline. Yes, yes, so how fast did the water ry? Um? We had a bunch of issues. And Jay can actually chime in on this too, Like the big trigger point it was like in the nineties. Um, actually kind of like in the in the late nineties, Um, we had bad, bad flooding. You know, a ton of snow spring melt off all these things. It was like the perfect storm of everything to to happen, and that initial jump was crazy, uh, to the point where they couldn't get caught up. And if you notice the road structure around here, like we drove over a couple of those bridges, like those are gone right, so to drive all the way around like sixty seventy eight miles because you can't drive across you know, cut across um. And then it just continued to go. It just continued until we're out where we're at right now. Like the bowl is full. Yeah, that's that's another thing that Um, this is like a dead end basin. So normally you think of like flooding in a river valley. It's just that the river valley can't drain it fast enough. But you know, floods go away pretty quick. But here you're flooding an area that the outflow is. It's very high up, so you could it could hold all this water for such a long period of time. Well, it's still flat here like this is we're talking about this yesterday, the catchment area for so much like yeah, when it all the water just collects here, it's yeah, it brings a wide and it's it eventually is gonna eventually drains out in which direction when it leaves here? Well currently, and I shouldn't say that, I should have double checked. But historically, um, they have been draining one to two inches off every month, and they've been draining it into the Cheyenne River very very controlled. A couple of big pump houses, correct, like on Minna walk inside here and then one on the west side. Right, correct, there's a few of them. And the reason why they have to go into there, we would make more sense right to go into the Red River. The problem is as the Red River flows north, that flows into Canada. We don't want your water. I thought that, I thought the man I feel big Walwyes, that's true. She's the biologist. She could probably speak more to that. It is actually feel like you just got you guys feel up in Canada and you're gonna speak for the whole nation. You guys feel like you're just good on water. Yeah, we're set. Where's we got we got that freshwater? Trust me, we send them enough every spring that causes flooding for them too, so because we melt here obviously before they do, and that water is all running north and they haven't thought yet. So like the Winnipeg area all along there, it floods pretty bad. It's a it's a serious thing talking about good American water here, j we'll pass, we'll pass. I'll start drinking that water. You'll get a lot more girl up in that country and more aggression. So this, this water does make it to Canada though, right, is what like Cheyenne nor flowing north? Yeah, I don't know what you're pointing. Well, I'm just saying Devil's like naturally overflows into the Cheyenne River. The Shinen River is a tributary of the Red River of the North, which flows into Canada. I'm not familiar with the Chyenne, so I mean if it goes into the Red then yeah, it comes into Canada, but very slowly. Then I want to go and direct the Red River is still doing good? Well, well, research is to find out. But uh, back to your place, can you explain the property tax? Thinks that's really interesting to me. For a while you had to pay taxes on land it was underwater. Correct. If you think about the farms, you know, my heart bleeds for for that. That. That's what my family does is farms too. And uh, thousands and thousands and thousands of acres underwater. We're talking real crop and cattle things like that. Uh, And because you owned it, you still had to pay property tax on it. Even though people are driving over in boats, it's underwater. So they actually had to cope. And like I said, because that water ROAs so fast and they were trying to deal with FEMA and I mean all the other disaster federal things like that, it kind of got lost in the mix per se, right because it has to go through the legislature and all that. So, yeah, it took them a while for them to repeal that law. So now you don't have to pay tax, but you still own that land. So if the water ever magically recedes like back down to you know the ladies eighties, early nineties level, like, there's gonna be a whole lot of property out there. You know, we we covered it's the same. I think it's the same weather events in an area in South Dakota. And I don't know if you've had a similar problem up here, but in South Dakota there were there's a lot of controversy where with the rising water inundating farmland and residential properties. Um even though taxes were suspended on the submerged water, there were people going in and running booey markers along their property lines to keep anglers and hunters out, but then having what everybody's said like private parts of the lake. So you're so you would buoy off your farm with booie strings and uh, just have it be like you can fish it. But then people are like, but it's it's the fish of the you know, from state stocking program. And this was going on at the time, and he said, like naturally, the way that everybody thinks is then people would go and all line up along the booey fence because like it's got to be better over there, so they'd go fish along that edge, you know, thinking death where all the fish were hiding is around the private property, which is like a like like a very much like a hunting thing, you know. Um, and people were hashing at out. Was that the thing that was that? That? Were you seeing that up where people were like fencing off with booty markers what would have been their lot? No, No, this is way too big of big of waters. But that whole South Dakota gig is really interesting too, because I kind of happened around the same time. I feel like a little bit sooner um a wall based specifically that that comes to mind right away. There's literally a few accesses where the silos of the farms, that's all that's sticking out of the top of the water rights, Like that's the structure in the in in wabe is those old farmsteads. But the crazy part, which you used should do a little bit of research on, they started like putting in these public accesses right which then they then repealed later, which has been really been a big controversy there. So there it was already a pothole, like littered with potholes, but obviously rising waters things spill over. Yeah, like private land becomes now public waters. It's a big controversy there. Uh, and it just kind of keeps going. But they kind of gave us like a pre shot highlight of what was going to happen, almost but this happened on a bigger scale. Do you ever take um, do you ever take a boat and go cruise around on like what like over your property? No? I I haven't. Actually I think would be really really interesting, uh to go see and look at what's what's there and how deep it is, Oh yeah, to go down there with some dive gear. It's it's hard look for your old stuff. Yeah, it's it's heartbreaking, right, like this is where I where I grew up. This is where this love and this passion and my best memories of my dad and my family are at and you make new but it would be it's hard. So did did the fishing? As soon as the water got up? Was the fishing just like instantly that much better than before, Like with all that extra within a year or two weeks, you got all that extra structure, you got all that extra cover. You've got way more water. Like it had to have allowed it had to makee fish stocks just explode. Man, imagine just how much and how much nutrients because when I in the nineties, I just heard about devils all the time. I'm not sure if that would be considered the peak of the fishery, like, but yeah, I would say, yeah, And that was a weird Part two, Like I can remember the worst lge blooms, like I mean split green pea soup discussing the whole entire lake in the old days, right, and maybe on some small bays now, but you just don't have that right, you know. I think there was a lot of concern to when we had all this overland flooding um because of the residual chemicals right coming off crop lands, coming coming from the structures that have been flooded. What was going to happen right, what was going to happen with that water quality? Was? I mean, we're we gonna kill fish where we gonna have some catastrophic events here based on the facilities that have been swallowed up whole wide. What's the sort of local um temperature on this thing? Now? Are there people who are like, I like it just the way it is now? I can't speak for that. I think it's conflicting because the farmers, I mean, fisherman, I'm sure we're happy when that was. I mean, it's got to be like the got a lot of people who just like the fish and they're like not perfect. And there's a lot of people who just like the farm and they're like this ain't acceptable. I chatted with some folks in this area about that, and uh, I think it's like twenty five million dollars fishing ranks, you know, to this economy that was like back in two thousand five, or whatever. So it's got to be maybe greater now or whatnot. But it's probably farmers are really wanting their land back, and obviously the fishermen really want to keep it. I wonder what the value of those farms would be if it be considerable to the twenty five million or I don't know. I don't know what a farm is worth, Like the agricultural output, the agriculture I'll put off all that land would have to dwarf the Fishing Act dollars with a fishing activity. I don't know either. But um, but yeah, I was I've been reading just right now on this pumping water stuff, and it is in two thousand five, they just began pumping water into the Cheyenne River, which then drains into the Red River, which flows into Manitoba and Lake Winnipeg and it goes into the ocean eventually. And they were they were worried about, you know, back then, about the salt levels and stuff that we're in here contaminating like Lake Winnipeg and whatnot. But there are four pumps put in the area to be able to do that, in canals and drainage pipes, um or channels and drainage pipes? What a project? What did I say? Uh? What is the what is the goal is the gold? Like? What year? This has gotta be? Something people debate too, What years regarded as normal? If normal happened to be, if normal happened to be, Like if we sort of set our expectations are normal during a major drought cycle? Like what is normal? Well, I don't know. The one map chip that my buddy had for the area, like the navyonics whatever it was, they say, the one that shows a lot of the earlier outline is was it was a big date because that that's what we were fishing was probably dbed. So it's twenty two of water um where where we were fishing yesterday, and that was the old road right ut red with all that rebel. So that's the date that's stuck in my head from talking to So if you're gonna pump it back to normal, you're gonna be pumping off two ft of water off of In nineteen forty, Devil's Lake was nearly dry, and in June of two thousand eleven, the lake reached a modern day record high something going down since then. In June two thousand and eleven would I mean, I, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, it's been going down obviously m hm, can't going down very much literally, like so we have all the fluctuations right like this like can fluctuate eight nine fear no problem, right, that's not a big deal. That's not based on a major drought. That's just because of so much supers area things like that. Um. But it was just a couple of years ago after my dad passed. I came back out obviously to the cabins. I wanted to see the property, make sure everything's good, talk to the to our neighbors. And I was nervous this is a later property, correct, So we we were we moved right, like, we moved significantly back, um. And I remember pulling in and like the water was right there, like it's it was like twenty two ft. We got out like the you know tape measure from the back door of the cabin to the water, and I was like, oh my gosh, like what do I do? Like this was not this close? You know? Do we have to move this stuff again? Like really like freaking out. And so the we'll see one of the accesses. I won't say exactly which one because they'll know where where the properties are at. But this access has been moved seven times, is l seven times it's been moved on our property, but like basically evident domain, you know. So I've seen him move back as the water comes up where it's nice landing, do you know. But it's like, now we've got that right there, and I'm like, Okay, what do they know what's going to happen or should we just pull the stuff now or is it actually going to go, you know, go back down. So they were showing us I'm sure it happens around here, but in in South Dakota, they were showing us these like well they think are like dream boat launches, which is where highways go underwater. And they're like, no matter how high the water gets or how low it gets, you still like backing down a highway like very nice boat launches. It there's asphalt boat launch geological evidence that the lakes have overflowed into the Shine River and dried up completely on several occasions over the past ten thousand years. I wonder how, I wonder how it's like having a little dug during here. Man, he's just not fighting with you. He doesn't fight you, but he checks everything out. I wonder how high the water asked the peak to two flow out of the basin. It's probably uh right around like how much higher than right now? Elevation of one thousand, four hundred and fifty four point three ft is when it'll start. It's like record high in modern day. So is that all right? Chester? Sure? Okay, Here's here's something I want to do because the top about what we've been up to. I want to juxtapose, um. I want to juxtapose live scope fishing with pike spearing because I think these are uh right like like if you imagine um, uh like, imagine that you stretch your arms out as wide as you can stretch them, Okay, and that constitutes the spectrum of ice fishing activities out at your whatever tip your right fingertip is ah No, it's a timeline that advances from SESS perspective. Let me see, from SESS perspective, my right fingertip would be spearing northerns and my left fingertip would be live scope and fish through the ice. So what do you want to start with? I'm asking you this, Jay uh Well, spearing, let's talk about Sparing. I'll handle this one all right. Spearing, in my mind is true ice fishing, pure, true ice fishing. Can you agree with that or not? What what do you mean by that? It just feels like a long time ago when you're spearing northerns now with ja sweet camera set up. But we weren't. If we were, we weren't gaining anything with jay sweet camera set up. He might have been attracted to my camera. We don't know if he came into the camera. He just that he didn't eat the camera. I can't wait. Do you think I could? Can I put that up on social media? You don't care y post it? I'll credit you. Can you get me a better version of it? Yeah? So we had a sweet camera set up, but it had nothing new with us. It wasn't even it wasn't in the dark house. It was just recording and it was cool to look at it later. Spearing goes like this and a lot of people already know. I'm gonna tell you anyway, Um, you are drill a hole of staggering proportions through the ice, Mandy. Mandy said she's been around a lot of ice fishing activity. She has never seen a spear hold as big as the one we made, and I blame but Mandy has a giant augur, and I normally think in my head like I'm gonna go five augurs wide and three aggers deep. And that's what I did, except yeah, and she fell in. She would need to hit the sides. She could have fell in horizontal and not hit the sides. So uh yeah, So you like it used to be hard to make a spear hole, but it's like with good augers, it's pretty easy make a spear hole. You just make a bunch of holes and you kind of butt them right up to each other, and sometimes they'll overlap her, sometimes not. And you take an ice saw and connect all the holes. And you can do one of two things, depending on where you're at and what you're supposed to do where you're at um and I think it depends a little bit on weather. You can either take that block and each has its pros and cons. You can take that block and shove it under the ice, sink in the cake, that's what they call it. You can sink the cake or you can what you what do you call when you drag it up on the ice, eat the cake, Eat the cake. You can't eat your cake and sink it to j so uh um, pushing it down has to be the most common. Yeah, I'm trying. Is it is? It as like Eskimo makes the I have a bunch of them, the Eskimo or I know that makes the screws, the handle screws. So there's there's a screw you can use to like anchor your your fish, sandy to the ice or whatever you need to anchor to the ice. It's a screw you can just drive into the ice. Um. And they also make h you can also get an Augur attachment, like I have an eye on Augur, and you can get an attachment for driving the screws. Anyways, when you cut this, so when you cut this puriphrey of the hole out the spear hole, you have like a large block of ice sitting there. Um. And the old days they hook up the mules or whatever and drag it up and put in the ice house packet with sawdust. Then you have ice all summer long. But that's not what we're doing. Um. To pull the block out, like my friends in Alaska, pull the block out and they'll drive the they'll drive the handles, the ice crews into the block and then you get then you push down on it like you know when you go to pull someone into a boat who's wearing a life jacket. How you go like down then up and you get the buoyancy to help you get a little inertia. So you get a couple of those handles there and you push down and you got one. You drag it up on the ice. The problem is the really cold weather, that block just freezes. It welds itself to the ice and that's not something you want to hit with your Well, there was a guy that got killed. He was the guy was racing across the lake on the snow and bill and hit a block ice and someone that dragged out the frozen to kill the guy. Because the controversy is the lake if if you have that open hole afterwards, like you could potentially be open to manslaughter if someone goes through that hole and dies. Right, It's like, I mean, we marked our holes, but that's a pretty important thing. It's if you don't mark that whole in a on a warm day and it creates like a special thing is on a warm day when it's not gonna seal back up like we were on such cold weather that you couldn't keep things open anyway if you wanted to. But no, I don't want to drag it on too long. But there's all these different things. So what they require. Here's a good way to discuss it. North Dakota, which I'd like to credit the North Dkota Fishing Game Agency. They have very well thought ice fishing rules like fine tooth comb and they lay out just to tell him, when you drill a dark house, if you have a hole that's ten inches or greater, you legally have to have a Dowell brightly colored wooden lay. I guess is how they have it stated or a natural object to mark your that hole and you have to have it on you at while you're fishing, while you're fishing, and I think it has to be clearly visible from fifty yards und feet? Wasn't it clearly visible from hunter? Fil defeat your marker? Um, so we sunk the cake. Then what you gotta do is you need to uh. People do it different ways. Like when I was a little kid, people used to like, so, well, you gotta put up your shinny and you gotta have it darkened out. So we use Eskimo shanties, and they got windows which are great. To open the window up like a plastic window. You can open up. Let's sunlight, and when you're regular fishing, but then you can vel grow the flaps up to rule all the light because you gotta have it be that you're in a dark structure. In fact, they call it dark like they'll call it in the dark house or dark house fishing. So you drill this big asshole, you sit on a seat looking into it, and when you're out in the daylight, you can't tell. You can't see into the water. But the same way you know when you put your hands up around your eyes and look down into the the water, when you put the shanny up and block all the light from coming in and shovel snow around the edge and really get it sealed up, it's like lit up like a TV screen. To see the bottom. We were young, we used to put people would slice potatoes. If you're fishing in pretty deep water, you'd slice potatoes real thin, or you'd boil a bunch of elbow macaroni to get some white on the bottom so that you can see the outline of deep fish. We try to bed sheet once. That didn't work too great. I can't picture that actually get it to spread out properly then so they're gonna retrieve it back out. It was so much work and it didn't It didn't work. Thinking it was like you know, using like organic matter, like sure, remember I remember eggshells to say, all your eggshells, crump them up, put them down the hole, just to get a little something to see what's going on. Pvc X. But people pull them out and white siding. Make an X in the bottom of the hole with white side, then you can retrieve it. You pull it up, Yeah, just so you catch something coming across. And I'm gonna say something real quick, So I said ten inches or greater you have to market. It's anything greater than ten inches has to be marked. So normal tenantogger hole you don't need to mark. Yes, I was wrong, that makes sense. Then so here you got this giant hole or whatever, a hole, a big hole, and you got a dark structure. So you're sitting in the dark, which makes which illuminates the bottom, and you're looking down in there. And then you hang a decoy and you know you can get as extravagant or not decoy's range from that you would hang a pie plate or a beer can down in the hole, hanging on a string so you can jiggle it and create like a object of curiosity to fish. Um. We had a decoy um that that a guy made for us incentence to us where it's like it looks like a fish, it's got finns. It's like it's not quite neutral buoyancy. It's like slightly heavier, so it slowly sinks and you lift it up on a string like a puppet. Let the string go in its circles. It's real nice and shows a lot of activity sharp truce. Um. I don't know if they do it as much anymore. I remember like people used to harness rig sockers. You catch a soccer and harness rig of soccer and let it swim around the hole to lure pike in. And then but we used to you know, spear white There's a variety thinks people spirit us spear white fish and some other stuff. Um in some lakes aout of spear walleye. But it's generally like a pike thing northern pike. And then you work that decoy. You know, you know you're anywhere from You could be as shallow as four ft of water, which is pretty shallow. You can be as deep as thirteen fourteen ft of water, which is pretty deep. But let's say you're six to eight feet of water. Um, you work that decoin. Just wait and wait, wait and wait and wait, and eventually a Northern, if you're lucky, a Northern, or many Northerns throughout the course of the day are gonna come creeping in and they just sneak up on that decoy. They like want to see what it is. They might strike it, they might just nudge it. Um. And when they do, you have a weighted spear that you need to hit him. It's hard, but you did it. Things happened fast, tom Chester. Things that happened real fast. They were in different ice shack and I cut in a little farther from him, and we had a d Jay's decoy going and had I think four different occasions where Pike came in and three of those no, two of those times out of the four that Pike gave us no chance to really spirit. It came in from nowhere. I struck the decoy took off again. Was too good. I don't understand why people don't put hooks on their decoys. It's like, if your point is getting a pike to eat, why not put hooks in the decoy because you see the decoy counsels the line. Anyways, Yeah, you know what was interesting is I can't remember, was it man you're j that made a comment about like do they grab it? Yeah, I asked you just before and I said no, they'll I said, they'll kind of like nudge it, but they don't like grab it grab it. Five minutes later, this pike comes in and like really like grabbed them over you to hook them, because I was like, no, they like bump it, you know, they like they tap like kind of like strike it. But this thing grabbed it and sort of like rastled with it. That was cool. That was super. You look like an alligator trying to tear a chunk off something when you grabbed onto that thing. Well, I was staring at it slowly and you were ready to throw, and then it went in charge mode ate it and then I mean you had that shot just after, but that would have been a tough shot to make. Yeah. I think it's um ah oh, I love it. And it gets into the Bard we're talking about earlier like sort of the cultural stuff, right, Like it's a and there's a lot of states you cannot spear fish. You cannot spear game fish, with the exception of dark house Northern Pike. It just a thing. That's a way people have targeted northerns for a long time. As much as you can't spear game fish or gig game fish, um in in northern States, it's like generally you can. This is how we've always done it. And I think that um in the future, if we're having a big old fight about the allocation of the resource, I would think that the live scope guys would need to ACQUI us to the dark house guys. That was my That was my segue into live scope fishing. Yeah, I mean I I that was my first spear fishing experience and I was like REVVD up. You know, I didn't get one, but just seeing when it was cool. I mean, I think there's they're, just like you said, different ends of the spectrum. Because live scope for those of you that aren't familiar with you know, can I gotta add one making I'm sorry, just to tee it up better. Uh, I should point out that a lot of people would say it's really unfair to the fish to spear the fish because you're not tricking him into eating. Yeah, it's like some people might be like, well, what's the challenge. Now you're sinking a giant spear into a fish. It's a chance, very barbaric, and you can't release them. Nope, it's like it's a blood it's bloodthirsty. I don't have that perspective, but I just wanted to open up that someone might say, Like someone might look and be like that. To me, that strikes me as unethical fishing because it's like you're you know, you haven't tricked him. He just passes through the hole and you jab a big spear into him. Yeah that's got hurt. I got, Yeah your's. Yours died pretty quickly. But I mean, yeah, it's it's depends on the size. Like I mean, you have a little more of a chance when you catch with rod and real tich choose if you want to release it or not. Obviously you have a chance to decide if you want to spear that fish or not. But it happens pretty fast. You got to make a decision and you might not have time to hum and hob between a thirty five or yeah, that's what when I was, when I was when I grew up in Michigan. Um, we're just fishing lake where just no that you don't have a size requirement. So but when I grew up in Michigan, at first, for most my life that I lived there, it was mostly twenty one. Northern had twenty one. It jumped up to twenty four. But as you can imagine, that's a hard call to make. It's a hard call to make fast, I would say, not just with when you have introstrictions, like it's been highly controversial at Minnesota where uh, certain lakes that hold muskie have been specifically shut down into spirits and right because the normal joe, even a really good anglers can to have a hard issue and that split second, you know, is that a pike or is that a musky? And just in the last few years, like malax Cast, some of these ones that hold really big, beautiful musky have now been reopened for spirit. And it's highly controversial. Yeah, and that that I imagine there's probably people to show up there that aren't even aware that could be a thing, you know, and they're like Yeah, if you didn't, if you weren't aware that was gonna be a thing, you wouldn't until you got that thing up on the ice, you start thinking maybe something was a little different. But yeah, it would be a hard call to make. Wudn't trust myself. I've seen a lot of pike, a lot of musks. If I'm seeing it from straight down view, yeah, it would be some quick thinking. There are handful of lakes right here in North Dakota that it's not legal to spear. And so the weird thing is, uh, Spirit in North Dakota has only been open for like twenty plus years. The first year that they opened it was in two thousand and eight, two thousand nine, and it was actually only open for the first two weeks in March and that was it, and it was only open to residents two thousan nine and ten. Um, it was the first winter that non residents like Minnesotans could come in to North Dakota and and spear, and then it was open for like a month, right, So then fast forward, Um, no, it was twenty We're most of the state you could spear, but there still was not a statewide you know, spear application for that, but it's yeah, so it keeps growing and growing. But so they've been like tiptoeing their way in probably wanting to see what the EVERS is going to look like. Correct, So they went really above and beyond and they have like unbelievable data. Like I'm fairly impressed for their survey results here. So they did a survey in one and they had four thousand, three hundred seventy two uh individuals that registered four that were residents spears. There was over dred non residents that so yeah, they have figured about sixteen thousand, six hundred pike were speared from the people that they surveyed, right, So, I mean they really dug down like a geek out about this kind of sixteen thousand, six five Those guys are doing good, cracked. Here's like the average spear age was forty nine years old and eighty eight percent of them were male. Uh. Seventy of the respondents indicated that they actually uh dark house special. They must have surveyed like all of the people that fishing licenses. So that's pretty high, right, like that resident fishing license holders. You know, you sure it's not that that all the people that got registered death. The percent that actually went so respondents indicated that they actually dark house spirit. They're they're interviewing people that registered, um. But yeah, it must be growing of those people that took the survey, so that they had taken someone dark spiring for the first time. Yeah, I mean that's really cool. They did a really good job with that spirit information. I'm like, really high on North Dakota fishing game man. They the stocking reports and netting reports are unreal. A lot of transparency. M h. Good state, good place to be. There's a good place to be. And the Walley things new too, which is interesting how they're becoming more open to that. Like I think just last two years is when they opened while I spearing on a couple of weeks around here. Oh so they're like tiptoeing into dark They're the same as live Scope. They're both at the same time, all right. So now now let's get into the live scope thing. All right. So I got real mixed feelings. I want one bad, but I did get a little bit of a guilty conscience. Because here's I'll tell you later, go ahead and lay it all out. I'll tell why I felt guilty. So, like your typical sonar whatever, you're getting an eighteen degree cone angle looking down your hole. That's what you see. Use a lot of analogies here. Yeah. So I mean, um, you're like shining a flashlight down the hole and that beam is eighteen degrees and whatever is underneath the flashlight like like a Scooby Doo, like the flashlight that they always using Scooby Doo. Yeah, exactly, like that, like a very precise, very precise angle where it's like it's like utter darkness meets utter light. Yeah, you got it. Um. So typically, yeah, the fishing off the right under hole, you would see him in real time. You can see your lure going up and down, you can see the fish interacting. And even that has revolutionized ice fishing. I think your your catch trade, I would say, would be up three x or four x. With that, I would turn if I forgot mine, I'd turn around for a lot of like not all fishing. Obviously spearing electronics isn't gonna help you much, um, but if I've got my electronics, I would turn around and go home. But live scope now is instead of that eighteen degree angle, it's a hundred thirty five degrees by eighteen, so you can decide how you want to point it and stuff. But it's like kind of like ultrasound, you're getting a real time reading. So I can be looking a hundred feet off to the side, or I can do a pan. So normally, let's say, for an example, you're looking for for black crappie's in a basin, you would drill that thing, you'd swiss cheese it right, you drawles, and you'd keep hole hopping until you are marking fish. Now with this live scope, you put this transducer down, you drill one hole, and I can scan effectively a hundred hundred feet or or more more in any direction around me. So I just saved myself cutting forty or fifty holes, and as well, you can see if those fish you're moving. So when Steve and I were fishing yesterday, we have the transducer between us, and we had warning before the fish came in, so like long warning, yeah, long warning. So it's like it's like that trail camera being set up, sending you a picture before it comes you know, uh, you're not paying attention to all A sudden look at the last cope and see, okay, Steve there's a fish wi me towards you ten feet away, and uh, you can see the size of the fish mood. It's mood. And there's the graph on there that you can measure it how big the fish are. And that's that's that's one of the coolest parts because normally you get nervous when you're marking a fish. But when you can tell it's a three ft fish or whatever, it might be a thirty inch walleye, it's like it gets your heart pounding in a different and you can see it's mood. Man. Yep. You use like when they're on the bottom, like slithering along, then you can see what it likes. Yep. So you're sitting there and a fish comes and he gets like it gives like, it gets the perspective. He's right below your stuff, and you jig it and raise it and he follows it and gets excited. And then you raise a little more and he keeps following it, and you do it again and he hits and you like tease him into hitting. Um. You can try things on him. You can take his mood on the drop it down and shake in the mud. Doesn't care. I'm gonna do this oh he's getting interested. I'm gonna increase it's it's a scary tool and I've I've kind of compared it to you what drones is to hunting, and and because there's just no hiding anymore, you know, the fish can't hide and you and I mean, my favorite part of live scope is the learning tool that it is, because now I can see, oh, those crappy spooked. I caught one out of the school in the other fifteen spooked away. Or I knelt down a little bit loud and shallow water and I saw the fish spook away, and it's like, that's my favorite. Obviously it's cool to see the fish eat, but you learn more about the biology and their general mood and characteristics. But it turns into a lot of gear. Like like you said, the spearing is super primitive, and now you're staring at a screw mean all day. So it's like we go fishing to get away from screens. Yet you and I are sitting in the shack staring at a screen. So I can see how some people don't like that. Like I definitely get a lot of comments on my videos like, hey, you're not even fishing anymore, and it's like, well, I want I wouldn't say that that that's hard for me because you know, you use it, but you know twenty x the information that I would. I would say that after having hanging out with you for a few days, you you know twenty times more about fish and fishing then your average fisherman. Thank you. So if you were like, dude, I don't looking fish, but you're all there just slaying, it winds up being like, you know a bunch about fish, you know a bunch about fishing, You're probably gonna catch a bunch of fish no matter what. And you use that like a lot of that stuff goes that way. It's like the same thing the guy who's like diligently running a bunch of trail camps is probably a pretty dedicated hunter. You always think that it's gonna wind up being that that technologies are gonna wind up being that any old Joe Blow can go do X. And maybe that's the case, But I just I haven't like seen like a ton of evidence story because I've generally seen that like people that are already obsessed to become early adopters on new stuff, and they were the ones kicking they were kicking ass before, and they're kicking ass now. I don't think. I think you're probably underselling yourself after watching you fish. Um, we're out there, like, what the hell the temperature was? Like, I don't know. We've been out in temperatures. The lowest I've seen is negative twenty nine. The highest I've seen is four. Every time we were fishing, it was in the negatives. What were wind gusts yesterday, it's like sustained winds of thirty Yeah, the wind shown bow. We moved four times last night. So that's not comfortable here, It's it's manageable. Yeah, but I'm saying like you're still moving, so there's still like a level of ambition, Like you put that thing down and we don't catch any fish, we don't marketing fish, and we move. But it was about like if you were fishing normally without electronics, that's about when you would have moved, didn't get a hit. What it doesn't. It's like, I don't know, you might be overestimating. It's like you might overestimate the impact because I think that what it does is it's you'd probably go through a lot of the same activities. Yeah, you'd probably like go to an area, you'd probably try the same baits, you try the same tackles, you try to uh similar strategy, but there'd be more of a mystery, like you wouldn't know that fish were down, but you know you weren't getting hits. It speeds up, it speeds up the search, but like you know, when you go to your initial spot, you still need to know why the fish are gonna be there, right, You need to have that initial understanding of fish biology and being like, oh, the walles are gonna be on tap rocks, Let's go check deep rocks, and the live scope confirms, confirms or denies that they're there, and then you move on. So yeah, the thing I learned when I first started mess around with electronics and ice fishing um beyond like a flasher, but but putting lowering a camera down, which caused me to have all kinds of other guilty feelings. Putting a camera down I learned more about in the first couple of days I fished with a camera down the whole I learned more about the way fish behave in the winter than I did from forty five years of ice fishing, which is that I used to picture when you um, we're fishing and not getting fish, it was that you weren't on fish or they were turned off and they were just like laying somewhere. I didn't know that all day there are fish coming out of curiosity to come look at basically kiss your thing and move on, but come in like there's no motivation of hunger. It's like they come and they're like, oh, that's what that is, and stare at it, and come and stare at it, and leave and come and stare at It's not always little fish. I've seen big fish do the same thing. If you're banging the bottom, they in the silts coming up that they come and nose around in that silt, but don't eat anything. Oh I've I've played with the fish for fifteen minutes before getting them to eat. It's like, why did it take him that long to eat the juicy meat in front of his face? I had like that changed. Then it became in my mind what I used to think was they're not around, or they're somewhere else. They're laying low. There's sort of like this middle area where they're very active, moving all around and are not going to eat, but they're very interested in that. They want to know what's going on. They want all that noise was. They want to know what that movement was. Um. And then there's like a competitive aspect they have. They have like a little bit of there, like a little bit like kids where one of them doesn't want something, but when someone else wants it, they also decided they want it. Like he'll stare at it his body. Yeah, he'll stare at his buddy will show up and then he eats it. We see that in you know, open water a lot with small mouth but I uce fishing. You see the little panfish with blue gills or croppies. You can get that school fired up and it's a lot of fun. Then they get like, well I don't want it, but I want him to have it. Frenzy. Yeah. So um, let me ask you this, and do you you you walleye fish and turn him in fish with live scope? Yes? How many do you got? You have two on your boat at all time? No? I only have one? Okay, let me ask you if you gotta be totally honest. Let's say, um, all of a sudden, your local government, not your the fishing Game agency, says all right, that's it no life scope old done illegal. Would you breathe a sigh of relief or would you be like, oh man, I'd I'd be I'd be pretty mad you wouldn't breathe the sigh relief. I want to learn as much as fish, like as much as possible of fish. And that's why I got into scuba diving, because I want to see them underwater and short of strapping the scooby gear on the live scope is like when you see that fish relating exactly to that boulder, it's it's a pretty cool deal because that's what you visualize, but then you actually seeing it, it verifies what you you know, Yeah, what you've been thinking. I think you'd be all right with it. I mean honestly, because it's such a new technology, you'd be like whatever. Correct. And right now we're actually already seeing it on the tournament side. So there's an ice circuit in Minnesota and they have outlawed the use of life scope those tournaments. No go you know what you know? One thing about it would be like, let's say you're having an ice fish and is ice fish is a blue collar pursuit, right, It's it's just it just is right, it's a blue collar pursuit um. And then if you're having like local derby's and like the dude that can through connections or just from having cash, the guy that can throw it down five grand and a live scope. Right, yeah, people only be like, well, how do I like in the derby? How do I keep up with that? Man? I'm out here with that with the axe and a you know, I'm out here with the axe and cut down zeb coo the tip of a zeb coo rod with a real tape to the Ferrell. Now I get that, you know, I get that. Man. He's like, whatever, she can live without it. She's still catch fish. Jay's like, no, no, no, it's not about catching fish. It's about learning about fish, which I like, this is this is an element of truth in that. Yeah, there's also a little bit of fish catching in there. Yeah, don't don't, don't. Don't come to me and act like it's not about catching fish. Learning is nice. The catching is nice too. Seth just likes every aspect of it. He loves free gear. No, he's got no free live scope. So you're saying, like you just like are you know, if I had the money, I would go right now and buy it. One of the things I've found and this is something I like about Seth. A lot A lot of people um mistake jealousy for something else. They mistake jealousy for moral superiority. Okay, so they'll see a live scope set up, and what's going on deep in their psyche is they want one, but they don't have that kind of jingle laying around. So what they do in their mind then is they do a thing where they disapprove of it. Yep, I feel that they disapprove of it, like, oh, you shouldn't be able to have that. But what's really going on is they're like, I gotta wish to add one of those. But their body is, their brain is helping itself out giving them a sense of moral superiority, which is it feels for some people feels good. Jealousy it feels bad. I have one of my kids, My kids have a book about jealousy and they describe jealousy. The book describes jealousy as a hot, prickly feeling. Seth is such a pure individual. Listen to me, tell you you tell this guy something, to tell him not to tell anyone. You couldn't waterboarded out of him. Um. Anyways, he sees one, he wants it, and he just says he wants one. He doesn't act like he doesn't act like he's got like moral like any kind of more old lemma. I'm in the same boat with Seth. I want one real bad but one of In fact, I think I could say I lost not but one. One point that I that I think of when it comes to that is, over the past few years, I've gotten really good with the technology that I have, right so, like down imaging side imaging and being able to look on down imaging and be like, pretty sure that's a walleye just by the way you know, or like the size of the fish compared to what you're seeing on the screen. Um. So like if they took live scope and outlawed it right now, I'd be like the playing field would be a little more level, because we still have to you have to put some time in to get good at That's why that's why I opposed the Internet when it came out, because I was good at looking up stuff in the library and I could smoke anybody in the library. And then they made the Internet, and then now any time Dick and Harry and go find out stuff. And I used to have a competitive advantage. Yeah, I mean, Seth could probably take better pictures with his phone than most people with high on cameras. You gotta you gotta spend a lot of hours figuring it out, like, um, yeah, it's not a play figured I know. Man, it's like this kind of stuff keeps me up at night. Do you know. I want to point out I know how to close this out this trip I was catching we sat down. Um granted, I had nothing to do with picking the spots, nothing to do with picking the spots, Okay, but um I was catching fish for you guys had the electronics hiped up, you were, you sat down in that first seat. But I didn't pick the spots. You know, someone just like here fish this whole Steve's roping him as I'm trying to get the transducer to work. He did that to all three of us, just like the other night. I don't know Steve well enough to like give him grief right aways. But when you're on a fishing trip and everybody starts casting before things are ready, it's like, dude, slow down, Like when you know, especially when the cameras are in enrolling that. That's my pet peeve when I'm filming with somebody and I'm like, Okay, I don't care what you do today, just wait to get the camera set up. And then, just like my wife, folks a fish right away. And it was like, Sam, you could have just waited like a minute, but I can't be match. You caught a fish, right, And then she's got to pretend to be excited about the second one. But you can never quite pretend that. Well, yeah, I had some other thought. I was going to add about this whole deal. The weather and everything was beautiful. Oh yeah, all that stuff, but I mean more like, um, more about the more about that. Yeah, you're enjoyed it, man, I enjoyed looking through that stuff. It was a good time, and I enjoyed Beetle enjoyed fishing you guys, sharing a shack, sharing some hooksets, many fish with Yannie. Oh, I don't know what's gonna add. Did you like fishing with Yanni? That's a loaded question. No. I did love it, But like somebody that just I truly felt like to his core, he did not have a good time. He did not like the cold weather, like he I think he liked the experience and like it was kind of it was so out of his willhouse. It seems so foreign to him that he was just like you are you guys are just insane, right, He's not like a born he's not a born and bread ice an. Yeah, he's just like you. You seriously do this for fun, Like this is like a cultural thing where you live, where people do this as a pastime. And I'm like, yeah, like why wouldn't you, Like I don't understand why you're not like excited and like see this, but I forget that it is a cultural thing, you know, for for where you grow up or how you grow up with what kind of outdoor activities that are just part of everyday life. So yeah, I know he was like it was cool to have him to the house and the whole crew and a really cool experience. I know. I was gonna add a perspective that Callahan had about technology and ice fishing, and he's not opposed to it, right, um, And if someone was gonna be at probably him, but he's not. He had a perspective like what happens to the psychology of an angler, where he says you could be ice fishing and having perfectly good time, but then someone shows up with more Like someone shows up and that's up next to you with more electronics, and cal says. The feeling you then get is, oh, now we're fucked. Like he said, somehow makes him feel like like it makes him feel like he's not doing you know that he's like doesn't know something or is not doing something right or now this person is going to catch all the fish. And he's not proposing that as something as anyone else's problem but his own. He's just commenting on his own psychology. That would be like when someone has that, then he's like, well, now I'm screwed. The the key the key is to never fish with that technology. Now that you fish with it, you're screwed. If you'd never fished with it before, you know, you maybe see clips online, but once you actually experience it. I know, the people that have sat in my shack or sat in my boat, it's like they've dropped that money afterwards. And I'm guilty of causing him that, separating Americans or Canadians from their money. Yeah, I'm sure Garment likes it when you do that. What's the ice fish m be mean that is one of my biggest partners. That's ice Fishing Manitoba. That's their urs and brands. So shout out Ice Fish MB. I'm Fish Manitoba getting a lot of fun. Joy. All right, here's the final plug. We're gonna go cooks. We're gonna go fry up some some catching cook walleye. We're gonna fry up some fish. We're gonna put catching cook on there. There you go, catch cooked. Tell people how to find you, guys, you'll go ahead. You can go first. Yeah, if if you want to find me on YouTube, j semens j A Y s I E M E n S Canadian Angle, Canadian Angle on YouTube. We got both roll in season two dropping now. And if you want to buy some fish breading catch cooked on net. There you go, easy peasy and a real nice folding flame knife. Yeah you guys selling those like hot cakes. Yeah, they're sounding pretty good. Folding fly knife, really nice job, thank you, thank you. Those are kind of a pain in the ass, but it's like you don't need to have the sheet. You can put in your pocket without cutting a hole in your leg. Um. Folding flat knife, high quality knife, beautiful craftsmanship, thank you, Steve. Yeah, real nice knife. I going free. But you know what, I would have bought that son of a bitch man, I appreciate it. I would have given you a discount code. Uh, Mandy, how do people find you? They can find me on Instagram just I don't have any crazy names like everybody else. I just left it as Mandy Rick, so they can find me on old school. Yeah, super old school. I still even have a Hotmail account that's an m E N D y U h R I c H. I've got my pro account and my personal account on on Facebook. Or they can find me on Instagram or will you accept them on both accounts or just on the pro account? Uh? Just on the pro account. And I will say, list like Joe Blow who wants to come and be like your body? You might not accept them on your personal account. My personal accounts full. It's it literally, I'm Max so um. I will say I've been struggling with Facebook because there's actually a full account. They used my photos. It's my name and it's they say that I'm from South Dakota and Facebook will not take it down, like they will not take that account down, and it's my picture like my like everything, and they won't take it down. So I've I've almost considered just kind of deleting everything off there and just going to Instagram and everyone to report it. Everyone's listening to the podcast report the fake account. Yes, they're actually can report the real account, and your real account's gonna get pulled. It looks for the one that says that I'm from South Dakota, I am not from South Dakota. That's the bad one. That's bad one. But don't join it. Correct, don't don't go to that one. That's not who's doing that? I don't know. And the worst part is is they've got a lot of people on there and I just don't understand. It's it's really frustrating. It's weird to find that person and kick them in a little berries. Thanks alright, Boddy, get the oil. We're doing it. We're gonna replace the smell of a thawn out northern with the smell of hot grease. There you go. Thanks everybody, Thank you, Thank