00:00:14 Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nukleman. 00:00:16 Speaker 2: This is a production of the Bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render, where we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the scenes of the actual Bear Grease podcast presented by f h F Gear American Maid, purpose built hunting and fishing gear that's designed to be as rugged as the place as we explore. So I'm holding in my hand my right hand, the femur bone of an American black bear, a big one. This is the black bear bone of the of the bear that I call Rockslide, which ild in on November thirtieth, twenty thirteen, on the very last day of the Arkansas bear season, killed the National Forest. It's a long story. But the reason I'm holding it is that this is kind of a celebration that this event. Y'all be in here today as a celebration because this Friday I will turn in the full manuscript for my book American Bear, to all turn it into Penguin Random House. 00:01:30 Speaker 1: It really is two and a half years and al there's a section book. 00:01:40 Speaker 2: There's a section in the book where I quote a man named John Lawson who was a first contact European with the San Tee tribe in modern day South Carolina. And he said that it was. He said that the when they and when they when when their people, when their people died, he watched them do this and reported it is that they would rub bear oil on the corpse and leave it until the meat rotted off the bone. Then they would take the bones of their ancestors and keep them in wooden boxes. And yearly they would pull the bones out of the boxes and oil them with bear grease. And he and the quote was, he said, it is not uncommon for a man to have the bones of his grandfather in the place that he stayed. Interesting, this is this is the kind of data info the tea that you're going to get from this book. 00:02:54 Speaker 3: And this is what coffee time conversations have been. 00:02:57 Speaker 4: Like you have inhouse. 00:03:01 Speaker 1: Well that is vaguely related to that. 00:03:05 Speaker 2: I have the bone of that bear, the femur bone, which is really impressive. 00:03:11 Speaker 1: You know, in my hand. 00:03:14 Speaker 4: That was a big bear too. 00:03:15 Speaker 2: It was it was at least four hundred and fifty fifty pound bear. I think five hundred pound bear. And but what was interesting about all the boreal peoples of the whole planet, So in the northern hemisphere, you know, the boreal, the the the plants, animals of the of America in the boreal regions is pretty similar to all around the globe, you know, and all the boreal people's had this a very similar ideology ideology about the bones of bears. Most other animals could be disposed of just however you need to dispose of them. You eat a deer, you just kind of pitch its bones out. A bear not so reverential ceremonial disposal of bare bones, because dogs could never touch a barebone, so a lot of times they would put them in rivers, a lot of times they would bury them like humans. Incredible documentation all across the world of ceremonial disposal. 00:04:20 Speaker 1: Of bare bones. 00:04:21 Speaker 4: Very interesting. 00:04:23 Speaker 2: It just and what that does to me is it makes me think about kind of our Western ideology ideology about wildlife, Like basically, wildlife is something we revere, but really it's a it's kind of a thing put here for us to use in a utilitarian way. And these people would have used those animals in the utilitarian way. They would have eaten them, they would have made bear grease, they would have used the hides for blankets, and they would have used the animal the same way they But I feel like they had a pretty robust doctrine that you know today to me would translate I'm not an animist. I don't think that the bones of this bear are alive. I don't think his spirit is in this bone. But it does challenge me to like be pretty serious about animals that I'm taking. 00:05:17 Speaker 5: Would there be a modern equivalent to carrying your family's. 00:05:21 Speaker 4: Bones with you and oiling them down every year? I don't know what. 00:05:28 Speaker 1: Not down in Mississippi. 00:05:29 Speaker 4: If you know somebody that pictures on your phone, I guess would be the closest thing. 00:05:35 Speaker 2: Well, welcome to the bear grease render we have with us today, doctor mister Newcombe. So glad you're here. Brent Reeves chair. Brent is basically dead to us. I mean, like he hadn't been here months. He's just off strolling around in the glory of this country life podcast. 00:05:56 Speaker 4: Him with case knives. He like lays in a bed of case knives. 00:06:00 Speaker 2: I saw a video of him the other day jumping into a kiddie pool full of case nights. I saw that one too, disappearing into them. Just a joke, Okay, So Misty is in Brent's chair. We have Josh Lambridge spilmmaker, and then in the Covi's hot seat literally in the Ta Covia's hot Seat rock and chair. 00:06:22 Speaker 1: And we said this before, but the Covi's hot Seat. 00:06:24 Speaker 2: Rocking chair actually has a pair of Covis on the front of the rock and chair. Is the one and only Lake Pickle Backward University. Drove here, drove straight here this morning from Mississippi. 00:06:35 Speaker 4: I did, oh, you're welcome, happy to be. 00:06:38 Speaker 1: Here, and uh, we've got a lot to cover. 00:06:43 Speaker 2: You may or may not have seen the CBS Sunday Morning episode that came out by legendary broadcast American journalist Ted Copple, And uh, that's what we're gonna spend quite a bit of time today talking about that. 00:07:02 Speaker 1: Mister, how would you describe Ted. 00:07:05 Speaker 3: Copple the just the man that hung out with us? 00:07:10 Speaker 1: No, well, just for someone who wouldn't. 00:07:12 Speaker 3: Know who that was, Okay, okay, Yeah, there's. 00:07:15 Speaker 1: An age demographic. 00:07:16 Speaker 3: There's definitely an age demographic. 00:07:17 Speaker 6: So I actually when when Clay said Ted Copple was gonna, you know, was interested in coming to bear Camp and and and doing this special, that was huge to me because I'm like right at the cutoff of people who were deeply impacted by Ted Copple's reporting. When I think about Ted Copple, it literally is my very first news memory is Ted Copple and the Berlin Wall and our parents. My parents were pretty into history and what was, you know, current events and the world. And I remember when night getting to stay up late so that we could watch and it was Ted Copple. And I can tell you why I know it was Ted Copple later because I often got him confused with the famous journalist on a sitcom and I thought it was him but all those years, but I learned later he did not talk about the Burnin Wall. 00:08:10 Speaker 3: Dan from Murphy Brown is who I thought Ted Copple was most of my life. I got that to confused. 00:08:15 Speaker 6: But anyway, so Ted Copple, he he got his start. You know where you know, he's got a long history. You can listen to Clay his podcast. But where he kind of got famous in the US is during the Iran. 00:08:27 Speaker 1: Hostage crisis in the late seventies. 00:08:30 Speaker 6: Yeah, and he started to every night broadcast about what was going on over there. And that's when Nightline started. 00:08:36 Speaker 1: And that and he was kind of a young man. 00:08:37 Speaker 2: He probably would have been in his thirties, yeah at that time, or maybe maybe early forties. 00:08:43 Speaker 6: Yeah, So I think it was ABC Nightline and then that became something that was just a staple, and I think he and I could look it up if you want me to, but I think he stayed there till two thousand and five. 00:08:54 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and that's what we watched, Nightline. 00:08:57 Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's what we watched. 00:08:59 Speaker 2: Night Line, one of the most watched American television news programs that was on nightly every night of the week. And it's kind of wild that we have to describe how television used to be. 00:09:11 Speaker 3: Ye. 00:09:12 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know. 00:09:13 Speaker 2: It's not like our seventies. I mean, Lakes Lake, you're thirty three, thirty three, yeah, and we're all in our forties. But television used to be way different, and there used to be these faces that were Today there's just many more faces. Like at one time, there would have been probably five faces that every human in America would have recognized, you know, from different networks and different things. Today there's hundreds. I mean, like the Internet has just split up people so much. So Ted Kopple was one of the last faces in American journalism from the seventies, eighties, and nineties, and his career has continued since then, but he retired in two thousand and five. So when they told me that Ted Copple was coming, I mean, to be honest, and with all respect to mister Copple, who I mean, I have nothing but good things to say about the man. 00:10:10 Speaker 1: I thought. I was surprised he was alive. 00:10:12 Speaker 2: Yeah, and uh and he's eighty five, you know, And uh so when he so this is where you boys come in. 00:10:22 Speaker 4: Lake. 00:10:23 Speaker 2: When I called you and said Ted Copple is going to be at our bear camp, what did you say to me? 00:10:29 Speaker 4: I think, honestly, I think the first thing I sent to you was that, I said, the guy that interviewed Nixon? 00:10:36 Speaker 3: Did you know that? Or did you have to google me? 00:10:38 Speaker 4: No? I the only reason I I it's one of those things. The memory is so old. I don't know exactly how I got it. I know I got it from my grandmother mem like, that's the only I don't know. I can't tell you why I knew that. 00:10:50 Speaker 3: Me would have definitely been a huge Copple fan. 00:10:52 Speaker 4: Yeah, but somehow I remember I was like, that's the dude who interviewed Nixon, And I was like, he's coming to I had a lot of questions. 00:11:00 Speaker 3: You had questions about Clay's integrity. I mean no, I was just. 00:11:04 Speaker 4: Like, why is he for what? I didn't know what he wanted, you know. 00:11:08 Speaker 2: And this Lake's original question to me, is this the guy that interviewed Nixon? Would strangely come back into the story for Lake's in Lake's exact circumstance, because the interview with Nixon, he became that was one of his famous interviews, because he really like pinned Nixon to the floor. A. 00:11:31 Speaker 5: Yeah, I remember when you told me I was like the taed couple, like the dead couple. 00:11:39 Speaker 1: I was like, no, his lookalike. Yeah, well it didn't. 00:11:44 Speaker 2: It didn't really make sense to me why he wanted to come, nor was it made super clear what he was interested in. If I had to critique the whole thing, and I would say this to the producer, uh, Ted Copple's producer was that he really didn't tell me what they were going to do. It was kind of just like it was pretty vague that the story was going to be focused on Honting. Now, maybe it was so obvious that I should have picked up on that, but I actually the way they sold it to me a little bit was like, they're interested in the podcast, they're interested in your. 00:12:25 Speaker 4: Story at all. I don't know. 00:12:30 Speaker 2: Yeah, so, and I don't then T is not I would have positive things to say about the whole crew, but I would say that it was not super clear what they were after. 00:12:44 Speaker 6: Well, but do you think they knew what they were after? I mean, I feel like as. 00:12:49 Speaker 2: A storytelling yeah, it does. And boy, if Ted Copple watches this, Ted call me. I knew that I had been a little bit not misled, but because when when Ted Copple got there, I asked him in a private conversation, I said, what what do you what do you really want to know from us? I said it just about like that, And he looked at me and he said, I think we all know why I'm here. 00:13:18 Speaker 1: I want to talk about hunting. And I was like right. I was like, no, I didn't know that. 00:13:24 Speaker 2: I thought you were here to talk about storytelling and Barger's podcast. I didn't say that, but that's when I realized that was his intent the whole time. 00:13:35 Speaker 1: Potentially they didn't really. 00:13:39 Speaker 3: I think this is this. You should have known. 00:13:42 Speaker 1: I think I should have known. 00:13:43 Speaker 3: Yeah, you should have known, like Ted Couple's not going to come down to talk about the artist storytelling with you. 00:13:51 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, I know. I'm not blame shifting. I'm just telling you I was surprised. 00:13:55 Speaker 4: Yeah, But where my head was as I thought, I was like, mainstream news is Ted Copple if there's I mean, in the mainstream hunting's not known for getting all the love, and then you can compound that with the stuff that bear hunting tends to get. I was like, I don't know. But then I was like, Clay's got it, man. 00:14:15 Speaker 3: I thought Clay was part of some major political scandals. I was going to find. Well, that's what Ted Copple does, you know. 00:14:24 Speaker 1: I mean, well, what if he'd have pulled out my connections to Clinton. 00:14:29 Speaker 6: That your aunt went to high school with him? 00:14:32 Speaker 4: Now we all know. 00:14:34 Speaker 1: That wouldn't have been awesome. Like Clay. 00:14:38 Speaker 5: You know, in the nineties, I went fishing where Whitewater was too, you know, the whole Clinton thing with Whitewater. That's where I used to say. 00:14:44 Speaker 1: It didn't you used to own a canoe that supposedly. 00:14:48 Speaker 4: I forgot about that. 00:14:49 Speaker 5: I bought a canoe on on Craigslist or something back in the day, and the guy was like, you know, I heard that Bill Clinton took his girlfriend out in this canoe? 00:15:02 Speaker 3: Did you pay extra for that? 00:15:05 Speaker 2: Like everybody in Arkansas's got some connection connection to Clinton, you know. So you know, my dad went to high school with Clinton. So you know, the Barriers podcast is like one jump away from Bill Clinton. 00:15:19 Speaker 4: You know, basically one degree of such. 00:15:21 Speaker 2: She could have been that, it could have been that, it could have been about the Mina connection. 00:15:26 Speaker 4: I wish it was. 00:15:26 Speaker 2: I just today heard a little clip on the Sean Ryan podcast about a guy and they brought up Mina, Arkansas by name and Barry Seal and the drugs and flying planes and very mea I watched. 00:15:40 Speaker 5: I watched that movie. Just an aside, I watched that movie with with Keith Rose Oh Wow in the front from who grew up on the Mena Airport since the early sixties, and through the whole movie, he just go. 00:15:55 Speaker 4: I called bs on that. I called bs On that because it was like so much of it was fabrications. 00:16:01 Speaker 1: I actually thought about doing it. Just today. 00:16:03 Speaker 2: I thought about doing an episode on that like, what's Mina's version of this story? 00:16:09 Speaker 3: Man? Growing up? 00:16:10 Speaker 6: Everywhere I went, when people would ask where we were from, and we would say Hatfield or Mina, you know Hatfield just south of Mina, everybody'd be like oh, and then they would start talking about the airport stuff. And I mean every time I introduced myself to someone outside of outside of Polk County, that's what. 00:16:25 Speaker 3: Would would come out. Yeah, that's very much what they were interested in. 00:16:28 Speaker 2: They really missed it. Yeah, come on, Well, so they were at our camp for day and a half. We hunted for five days? 00:16:46 Speaker 4: Was it just a day and a half that felt it could be? I was like, it's just the day and a half felt like the whole. 00:16:52 Speaker 1: Time it was wild. 00:16:54 Speaker 2: I kind of wanted to tell the structure like of what they did. But they came to our camp. The producer got there the day before Ted got there, and he stayed with us kind of that afternoon, and we showed him around and talked with him for a long time, and cameraman showed him this. 00:17:10 Speaker 5: Is a guy who has lived for many many years, like in downtown New York. Yeah, and he showed up in his in his. 00:17:18 Speaker 4: Like new hiking boots and like hiking pants. 00:17:21 Speaker 6: And he's from Texas, so he wasn't completely a. 00:17:24 Speaker 5: Strange family owns of owns of meat processing, meat processor. 00:17:29 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so, and then Ted came in on the next the next day, and uh was there with us the entire day from the you know, early until late eight with us, hung out with us. And then he was there the next morning too, So he was there a day and app and then the camera guys were there through the remainder of that day. 00:17:54 Speaker 1: But we hunted five days. 00:17:57 Speaker 6: And uh, I am still a huge Ted fan. I'm a huge I really appreciated Ted couple on that. I mean, I think we should probably acknowledge that that he was extremely respectful, very Uh he was. He was, yeah, very delightful to hang. 00:18:19 Speaker 5: Out with, pleasant, engaging, humble. You know, everybody you know started calling him mister Copple and he's no please Ted, you know, and uh, yeah, just. 00:18:33 Speaker 2: He was any anybody on planet Earth regardless. And I don't I honestly don't know how people would classify him in terms of politics. I mean, it certainly wouldn't be right wing, but I don't know if he would be considered far left. All I know is that he showed up at my bear camp and wanted to talk about bear hunting. But anybody on planet Earth would have been in that camp with us, would have respected Ted Copple. 00:19:01 Speaker 1: Do you agree with that? 00:19:02 Speaker 2: Like, I mean, just a pretty stellar person. I mean just very just he treated everybody the same. I remember one time, well, this is a great example. Justin House was there, my friend Justin House, who was just kind of like on the side, like he wasn't involved in the filming. Justin's not one to just go out of his way to talk. He wasn't going to insert himself into the deal. And at some point Ted realized he hadn't talked to Justin, and he just turned his whole focus to just and he said, you know, he just said, hey, this is like pretty deep in. It wasn't like introductions, and he said, Justin. 00:19:44 Speaker 1: Tell me what you do. Tell me about your life. 00:19:47 Speaker 2: And Justin told him just you know, a few things, and anyway, he didn't he was interested in every person, especially Lake. 00:20:00 Speaker 6: Read one of the if we're going to talk, so, you know, just reading through the comments, I sent clear a couple of comments from the from the podcast or not from the podcast, but from the show, and you know, they posted on Instagram and so you can kind of see poor Lake. This is one of the comments, one of his lowest moments, spotlighted on national television. 00:20:25 Speaker 1: Let's boy, oh boy, Well Lake, so. 00:20:33 Speaker 2: We the first well this has been the third night of our camp. Yeah, I don't I believe it would have been the third night. And we had anticipated already taken a bear. 00:20:45 Speaker 1: Usually we would have. 00:20:47 Speaker 2: I mean, I just feel like we walked into the season like feeling like maybe it was gonna be okay and we're going to kind of pull something out, and then the hunting just was not very good at all and ended up proven true. They killed two hundred and eighty four bears out of a five hundred and fifty bear quota in the Ozarks, and it was because of fallen acrons. I mean, you've heard me talk about it like hunter harvest's success is in great correlation with the amount of mass crop, and so you don't really know. It's just day by day as the season comes up, like how it's going to be. So we anticipated already killing a bear and having just bear meat and bear fat in camp, and we were gonna I knew Ted wanted to render bear fat and it just so happened on the night that Ted the one night he was at our camp one night, yep, was the night that like shot. 00:21:46 Speaker 4: A bear shot one. 00:21:47 Speaker 1: Yeah, and what happened. 00:21:49 Speaker 4: I didn't find it, just shot it a little high. Yeah. So I mean I replayed that whole night because it's thinking in the throes of it. I was like, if I I would have known that that was gonna happen when I have shot at that bear of the night that Ted was there, and I was like, yeah, I still would have h I mean, that's what we were there to do. It was a good shot. Yeah, it just I just hit high. 00:22:14 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, not very high, just a little high. 00:22:17 Speaker 4: No, but enough where I didn't get the bear. You know, it is what it is. Yeah. 00:22:22 Speaker 2: So well, and we've given like like a hard time, but he knows we're joking. 00:22:31 Speaker 1: You were just the collateral damage. 00:22:33 Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, Look, man, I I think the first time I failed that ain't gonna be the last. Every time you every time you bow hunt, you risk failure. Every time you shoot, risk failure. I mean, what do you mean, what are you gonna do it? Uh? That part of it it is what it is. I mean, it's I hate it. I hate that it happened, but I mean, trust me, if anyone else in that camp would have done it other than me, I'd have been giving them a hard time. So I mean it just kind of comes. 00:22:59 Speaker 1: With it well, and we weren't giving you a hard time, like. 00:23:04 Speaker 3: I feel like it was more like suffering co suffering. 00:23:07 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. 00:23:08 Speaker 4: It was. 00:23:10 Speaker 1: Because it was. 00:23:11 Speaker 4: It was. 00:23:12 Speaker 1: It was the night that T was there. 00:23:13 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:23:23 Speaker 2: Here's what happened though, that you wouldn't have seen on the nine minute section on CBS Sunday morning, is that we're we're we're we've set up this kind of like round table, round the fire discussion. 00:23:35 Speaker 4: I was hoping about it. It staged like legitimately, I legitimately was, yeah, let's. 00:23:41 Speaker 2: Just set the scene and then everybody tell their perspective. 00:23:44 Speaker 5: I mean, it's stage, there's cameras, there's lights. You know, people are setting specific spots. 00:23:49 Speaker 1: They're wanting us to play music. 00:23:50 Speaker 5: Right, Brent and Clay are Clay and Brent are sitting right there and they have miked Clay and Brent and bare Newke and Baar new Comb and so we're all sitting there. We play music for the camera and then the music finishes, so so Ted. 00:24:08 Speaker 3: We think we're just pretty faces. 00:24:10 Speaker 1: Look my dad, my mom and dad are there. 00:24:12 Speaker 2: Yeah, just your house is there, Lake's there, Me, Brent, Bear, Misty. 00:24:18 Speaker 4: So I shoot just I shoot the bear, Christy and A. Right when I shoot the bear, I'm like boom. You know, Me and Drew, who was filming, we're both excited because at the time I thought I'd hit it good. Yeah, so we get I mean shortly there a fast forward we realized, Okay, I don't think I hit it as good as I hit it, but there's still some hope there. And there's that time between you don't know if you're going to recover the animal or not where I don't care how many times, how many years you've been bow hunting. That time between you're just like, you know, yes, I go riding back up to the camp and I'm like kind of just thinking, you know, because the other thing I'd never bear hunted before, so you know, I really want to get this bear. And so my head's all over the place. You were like, okay, well we're gonna go look, but we got to shoot this thing with Ted first, I'm like, all right, but again I'm looking at them micing you and Brent and bear up, and they're like, we just need this fire pit to look full. And I'm like, all right, I'll just sit over here and buy my time and think about looking for this bear while they're setting up doing their music stuff. Right, and this is here, we'll do that. You're me, I'm Ted Copple. 00:25:28 Speaker 3: And this is the first. 00:25:30 Speaker 4: I'm in between you and Ted Copple. Yeah, but in this so I'm Ted right now, I'm Ted and. 00:25:36 Speaker 3: You're me, and you're being like all. 00:25:38 Speaker 4: The miked up people are over here, yes, all the cameras are faced here, all the lightings here, and Ted goes They're like speed rolling and Ted's like, tell me about this bear. She goes so late, Now I shot a bear. 00:25:54 Speaker 1: But he I think you did it on purpose. 00:25:56 Speaker 4: Oh and which all credit to him. Journalism chops, you have power to them. But I I don't know. I've been in doing meat in the hunting space. I've been doing media stuff since I was nineteen years old. Never in my life I've been more put on my heels than. 00:26:14 Speaker 1: You expected to speak. 00:26:15 Speaker 4: No, I don't know, Micael I have nothing. He turns and asked me that, and then all of a sudden, the dude who interviewed Nixon has asked me about that, and I'm like, I I looked over Crook. I looked over and Lake's eyes just go. I remember, after all that cleared out, when we're going to look for the bear, me and it's just me and Clay in the truck, and Clay goes, there's that time between you know, when you shoot, you know, you shoot something and you're going to look for it where you're just very vulnerable, and in that time between you got interviewed by Ted Coppy and I'm just driving the truck going yeah, yeah, I did. 00:27:00 Speaker 1: But it was so oh my gosh. 00:27:03 Speaker 4: You have. 00:27:05 Speaker 1: Anybody listening out there, however stressful that you would perceive that moment to be for particularly me and Lake. 00:27:15 Speaker 2: Multiply at times eight to ten, because I was just absolutely I was stressed out, brother. 00:27:25 Speaker 4: I was already thinking about different career paths, accounting. 00:27:31 Speaker 2: And it was such a weird moment because we Ted didn't understand why we didn't have the bear in the truck. Even if it had been a ten ring shot, we would not have had the bear in the truck because you would have come back to camp. We would have given the bear time to expire. And that's the part that confused him because he was like, I mean, he asked some questions that. 00:27:56 Speaker 1: I mean, to a hunter would be that was clear. 00:28:00 Speaker 2: It's coming from someone who didn't have experiences. He said, well, is the arrow still in the bear? 00:28:04 Speaker 4: Yeah? Some of the questions were so like fundamental that I was like, is he messing with me? Like, I mean legitimate? I was like, what it? But in retrospect, I'm like, he's just so out of touch with this world he was being they were legitimate questions to him. 00:28:20 Speaker 2: Yeah, like he thought the bear was out there, still alive, just waiting to die. 00:28:25 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:28:26 Speaker 2: And we and I was kind of trying to insert myself a little bit in playing Wingman as much as I could, and we were trying to and maybe it was a mistake. We were trying not to say, yeah, we're giving the bear time to die. 00:28:42 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:28:45 Speaker 2: And an you know, it's like do we give ted Copple at the start of this like a like a thesis on arrow? You know, when an animal shot with a bow, you know how quickly it dies and where you're aiming and the amount of blood. 00:28:59 Speaker 1: You expect act. 00:29:00 Speaker 2: And it was minutes before we walked into that circle that I saw the video and all of a sudden, I mean, you knew it, but all of a sudden I knew it too. It was like, okay, this may it's a little it's in question how this is going to turn out? 00:29:17 Speaker 1: Uh, and so we we we we try. 00:29:22 Speaker 2: To mend it up, and to me, it kind of set the tone for the whole rest of that deal. 00:29:29 Speaker 1: I mean I was, I was shook up my head. 00:29:32 Speaker 4: I was I didn't know what I mean. When I watched it back yesterday, I was. And they played a little bit of that. I was like, I have no recollection of saying any of that. I think I blacked out for most of it. I'm telling you, dude. 00:29:44 Speaker 2: I was like, well, okay, so now this is some behind the scenes stuff. And and again complete respect to the cop and. 00:29:55 Speaker 1: His crew and his producer couple, couple. I think we have the right. 00:30:00 Speaker 2: To call that man whatever we want, know, beloved man. It's like a grandfather to me. Grandpa did the I felt like that they kind of bushwhacked bush whacked at the time. 00:30:17 Speaker 4: Now like at the time, I felt like that, I'm. 00:30:20 Speaker 2: Just didn't They didn't even ask it, Like he didn't know that he was on the sheet that was like, Okay, Lake's in the ballpark of being spoken to, and and so. 00:30:33 Speaker 6: I have a different take on all this, and and not, and I had a different take that night too, and and today I have a different take. 00:30:43 Speaker 3: Still I still don't. I just think it's a it's a given. 00:30:48 Speaker 6: They had what do you call them, the the mics that just like hang out boom mics, not puff mikes, boom mikes. You know those were around. I mean, anyone was open game. I don't think any of us expected that, but it wasn't It wasn't deviant. And I think the questions he was asking felt like a normal like a curious mind would ask those questions a curious mind. And I don't think that Ted thought it was a surprise that he was coming to talk about hunting when you said that, like so he was like, Oh, this is actually. 00:31:18 Speaker 3: The exciting part. 00:31:19 Speaker 6: This is what I came for was to talk about to talk about hunting, and this is the only hunting story we have, so obviously we're going to talk to Lake about hunting. 00:31:28 Speaker 4: So and not to not trying to throw anyone under the bus, Clay. But the reason that I thought that is because when it was Clay was like they're coming to talk about the podcast and this, you know, and it like it was portrayed that I wasn't going to be on any sort of interview report staff. Yeah. Yeah, which again is why. 00:31:47 Speaker 3: Just a pretty face? You're just a pretty face. 00:31:49 Speaker 1: I don't, I don't what he says is true. I mean, that's that's what we's. 00:31:53 Speaker 4: Right, Which because again if I if I, I mean, I would like to think it would have gone a little bit better. But because if I would have gone to that fire pit knowing he's about to ask me about this. 00:32:04 Speaker 3: Bear, you might have just curled up in a fetal position. 00:32:06 Speaker 4: Well but I mean, I just I hadn't thought of anything to say, you know, or I thought through like and we're still thinking about going to get that bear. Yeah. 00:32:17 Speaker 2: Well, and and this is where it was naivity on my part kind of is leading the thing. Yea, because I shouldn't. You shouldn't even been in the circle. Yeah, I mean, in that vulnerable moment. 00:32:32 Speaker 4: Oh dude, I got I went and sat in that circle. With someone asked me to go there, if they just said, you don't have to go sit in there out of go on peace, look for the. 00:32:40 Speaker 1: Bear that and for that, you know, I apologize. 00:32:45 Speaker 4: Like at the look when I say, at the time, I felt like I was bush whacked, Yeah I have, I have. I have nothing but good things to say about Ted Copple. Dude was doing his job and he's good at it. You know. It's just like at that time I was like, whoo, he got me. 00:32:58 Speaker 6: But from his perspective it and just from a journalistic perspective, especially an old school journalism, you know, where you're not just trying to persuade people, you're trying to actually show people the facts and help them make a decision about it. If he would have just let everyone like he if he wouldn't have talked about the controversial things, if you wouldn't have talked about those things, that would have been you know, fraudulent to the people who were watching. I think that's the way old school journalists think. They don't think we're trying to set up a case and everything's biased and we bring our bias into it. Like that's not the that's not the mindset and so I think he was just trying to ask ask those questions and and whether we were prepared for to be you know, we're not Nixon. We weren't prepared to be interviewed. 00:33:47 Speaker 1: That exactly prepared either, He wasn't. 00:33:50 Speaker 6: He got coppled. 00:33:54 Speaker 4: That coppled real good. That's the other thing too, behind the scenes stuff. They don't know that. That's been an inside joke ever since then. Yeah, yeah, you've been coppled. 00:34:07 Speaker 2: Yes, it's like we've probably said it fifty times. 00:34:11 Speaker 1: Yes, and I probably said it a hundred times behind your back. 00:34:15 Speaker 4: That's all right. 00:34:16 Speaker 2: Yeah, but listen, the reason I can say that like is because I went to bat for you. I mean, I'm gonna tell this, and I mean I don't I don't see any reason why I wouldn't you. 00:34:31 Speaker 1: Think I shouldn't tell this. 00:34:32 Speaker 3: I just stopped. 00:34:33 Speaker 1: Yeah really, yeah, which part? 00:34:35 Speaker 3: It's a great story, the everything turned out great. 00:34:39 Speaker 1: Well, I think it makes you look good. 00:34:41 Speaker 4: Yeah. I don't know what part you're talking about. 00:34:43 Speaker 3: I don't know what I talked about it. 00:34:45 Speaker 1: Oh well, then I'm just gonna say it. Well. 00:34:47 Speaker 2: No, the next day I went to Ted and the producer and I told them I said, I feel like it's unfair what you did to Lake last night. And I said, we're not gonna try to avoid talking about but if you want to talk about the bear, talk to me about it right now. 00:35:06 Speaker 1: On camera. 00:35:07 Speaker 2: I mean, just because you were caught off guard, we didn't know the outcome. It was just so ambiguous, whether we were going to find the bear or not, whether it was dead, whether it wasn't. That next morning we had resolution, full resolution. There was hardly any blood on the arrow. It was a high shoulder hit era passed through. It's like the bear's not hurt. We looked for the bear extensively, found you know. 00:35:33 Speaker 4: A couple little bit like muscle blood, like. 00:35:36 Speaker 2: Three drops of blood like half the size of a penny in one hundred yards. And we all know, especially having the footage. And basically I said, interview me about it. Don't pin Lake on that with what you just did. 00:35:52 Speaker 1: Now you knew that, didn't you. 00:35:53 Speaker 4: I didn't. I just didn't know what you were about to tell. 00:35:57 Speaker 2: So and I felt like they handled me really actually, And it was interesting seeing Ted Coffles's response. And if for some reason this is negative about him, I don't. I don't think it is, I think, he said, Clay. He said, in my whole career, if I have filmed someone and they have spoken to me, I have never told anybody that I wouldn't use the content. You know, he said, if you if there's a camera rolling and I'm talking to you, it's fair game to use. He said, I've done that my whole career, So I'm not going to tell you that I'm not going to use it. And I respected that, Yeah, because he ended up using it, the little piece of it. 00:36:35 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:36:36 Speaker 2: And and it would have been easy for him to say, Okay, we won't use it, and then them use it and it just be water under the bridge at that point. No, he was very honest and direct with me and what he told me, and I believe he I believe that he held true to his word as he said, Clay, my intent will never be to belittle or or to hurt anyone. And basically he just said, you just got to trust me. 00:37:05 Speaker 4: Yeah, and and I and and I just felt like I did all I could do. 00:37:11 Speaker 1: Yeah, And he did interview you me about it. And they did they use. 00:37:14 Speaker 4: A piece of it. They used some of both. They use a little bit of mine and I think a little bit more yours, right, Yeah. 00:37:20 Speaker 1: And so. 00:37:22 Speaker 2: It's just kind of behind the scenes, yeah, of of what happened, and and. 00:37:29 Speaker 6: But but it wasn't gotcha journalism, Like I think that's where I'm wanting to push back just a little is like we were unprepared. But I'm not sure that we were unprepared because because because they did anything sinister or we're trying to catch us in something. I actually felt like they were being pretty generous to us and and that they gave us a good platform to explain ourselves and to explain. So that's that's what I just want to be careful of. 00:37:52 Speaker 3: It wasn't it. It was. 00:37:55 Speaker 6: It was very neutral and if anything, I felt very very generous reporting what. 00:38:02 Speaker 4: I told Christy as I said, I said, it was. 00:38:05 Speaker 5: It was respectfully balanced, and I thought it was a good I thought it was. 00:38:10 Speaker 4: A good you know, it didn't it like. 00:38:14 Speaker 5: It wasn't an expose a but it was just presenting, Hey, this is the lifestyle of these people, this is normal for them. Yeah, and I felt like it. I felt like for people who might have a an it wouldn't be familiar with hunting, it presented it in a way that made it maybe not palatable but understandable to other people, you know. 00:38:37 Speaker 6: And I think that he uh, I think I think when he walked away. You know, we never got him to eat bear meat. 00:38:46 Speaker 4: Yeah, we tried. 00:38:47 Speaker 1: He never got it. 00:38:48 Speaker 3: Ted the Copple to actually. 00:38:49 Speaker 1: Eat bear meat turned it down. 00:38:51 Speaker 6: He wasn't disrespectful, but he just he chose the alternative. There was an alternative there, and he chose the alternative. He wasn't like, oh yeah, no, he was like, oh, that looks good to me. I think I'll try that. 00:39:06 Speaker 5: You know, he sat on the back porch while you guys were out hunting with me and Misty. I can't remember who else was there, Mary and Judy and just let us ask him questions about his life for an hour probably, and he was just so generous with his time and attention. 00:39:22 Speaker 6: And yeah, yeah, and I think that he uh. In this part that we're not really talking about, but we we kind of joked and I took some pictures of Ted and Bear talking and we we had a joke. I sent him to Clay, and Clay, I think you said you were that said it. 00:39:39 Speaker 3: You should find a guy that looks yeah, he. 00:39:41 Speaker 6: Said, he said bar should uh, well you were talking about Yeah, anyway, he said, you should find someone that. 00:39:47 Speaker 3: Looks at you like Bear looks like Ted Copple looks at Bear. 00:39:52 Speaker 6: I think, and I think overall he appreciated and respected that that intergenerary, intergenerational dynamics that he saw. I think he's a real family man and he has respect for that. And I think Bear kind of won his respect over the weekend, and so I don't think I think there was a real sense of that was more what he wanted to show than than anything. 00:40:12 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it did, and it came through it, and the piece was very positive, very positive. And in any piece about especially bear hunting or hunting in general in the mainstream media that's going to be positive is a huge win, you know. 00:40:29 Speaker 3: Huge. 00:40:30 Speaker 2: I wish if I had several people ask me what I thought about it, and I wish it could have been I mean, if you'd have had a segment twice as long you could have had, I would have liked to have put meat on the bone of exactly how hunters are actually champions of wildlife and habitat. I mean, because you say that and maybe that connects with a non hunter, but I want to you know, I wanted to give them a version of the one hundred year history of really habitat restoration in this country has come through the funding you know of Pittman Robertson and license sales and donations by people motivated by hunting, and you know, kind of just build out this idea that where an animal has cultural value through hunting, it and its habitat will be protected if it's in this country. And I mean there's just every single species you just start naming them. 00:41:31 Speaker 1: I mean, from. 00:41:32 Speaker 2: White tailed deer, the restoration of white tail deer to the turkey, to the book that I'm writing about bears. You're going to learn stuff about the restoration of black bears in the East and relocations. And it wasn't anti hunting people. It wasn't bird watchers. It was people motivated by hunting ducks, duck habitat. It's not birdwatchers saving you know, nesting habitat up north and flood and timber down here. I mean, it's just the story is overwhelming without an ounce of spin. And basically if someone can hear you say that, they all they almost think you're lying because of how wild it is and how counterintuitive. It is, and that and that. So the simplicity of their story was these guys want to kill bears, but they also love them. And that's about as deep as it went. So but I get it. It was a fast paced segment. People's appetites for things are so low that people wouldn't know that they were interested in bears, But but Ted made it interesting. 00:42:42 Speaker 4: I love that he pulled in whol Collier. Yeah, yeah, I thought, I mean I thought it was like I text you when it came out, I said, it's good. I thought I thought it was good. 00:42:53 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, and we all know that you're a great shot. 00:42:57 Speaker 4: Yeah, he's should have he should have put in a segment of lake out practice target shooting before he left to go hunting man, just to prove that he could put it in the ten ring. It's like I said, I just not the missing part of it was. I mean, like, don't get me wrong, I hate what I missed. 00:43:14 Speaker 6: I do mean all the times you're going to miss it, that's the time that it happened. 00:43:18 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just the way the whole interviews had it went down. And like I said, just briefly going back to like you said, I don't think it was gotcha journalist either, because calling a spade a spade, he wouldn't have anything to gotch You me on if I'd have made a good shot. Got to take ownership of that stuff. You know. It's like, if I'd have made a good shot, it had been a different conversation. It is what it is. 00:43:38 Speaker 2: Well, I want to share with you guys something that has happened since none of you know this. 00:43:47 Speaker 4: There's a. 00:43:49 Speaker 2: I'm not going to say their name, don't want to give him any publicity, but uh, there is a wildlife group in the country that has is demanding a correction from CBS for misleading for a misleading bear segment. So there's a there's an anti hunting wildlife group that has basically put their foot on the ground and said they're demanding that CBS apologize for the misleading segment. And it says the great Well Da Da Da Da Da has a formal letter to CBS submitted a formal letter to CBS Sunday morning, requesting a correction, a counter segment, and an investigation following their February first, twenty twenty six broadcast on The Hunter for Bear and the Ozarks The segments, which prominently featured Clay Nukeombe and the Bear Grease Podcast, presented a romanticized and scientifically unsupported portrayal of bear hunting in America. The piece omitted critical context, amplified demonstrably false claims, and failed to examine the broader system of wildlife governments that shapes how bears are made as across the states. He goes on and on, it's. 00:45:04 Speaker 4: A good podcast shout out though, Yeah, yeah, I. 00:45:10 Speaker 2: Thought about that. I'm gonna ask them to put a link in there. No, it's it's pretty interesting that they did that. And I mean, you know, there's just some places where you know, I would I would stand behind and defend every word of what was said. I mean, and it's just like, so I just think it's interesting that these guys saw that, and we're just like, this is this is false what has been portrayed here? 00:45:42 Speaker 1: Uh. 00:45:42 Speaker 2: There was one part in their segment where they said, you know, Nukem failed to or maybe they blamed Copple, but that just we failed to talk about the serious health risk involved in eating bear meat. 00:45:58 Speaker 4: Oh and I mean we're gonna have to talk about pork too. 00:46:01 Speaker 3: I mean, and they talked about how they specifically. 00:46:04 Speaker 4: Cited anyone eating lettuce. 00:46:06 Speaker 6: They specifically cited, and that you can't get rid of it by freezing, as if that would be the the way that we see. 00:46:13 Speaker 2: If you know the truth about trick andosis, and then you read that statement, basically it paints a picture of every single thing they're saying, because we're on this side, and the truth about trick andosis is that, yeah, many wild bears do have trick andosis, but it is killed at a instantaneously at one hundred and forty one degrees. It's an incremental there's incremental Misty's factors. 00:46:44 Speaker 6: I just don't want you to be responsible. I've been saying that, and I've always said one. 00:46:48 Speaker 3: Hundred and forty five degrees that's what I look at well. 00:46:51 Speaker 2: But basically it's a gradient scale. You can kill trick andosis at one hundred and twenty degrees, but there's a but it has to be for a certain period of time. 00:47:00 Speaker 4: So it's if you want to sue v your bear meat, you can sue. 00:47:03 Speaker 3: V bear meat seventy five. 00:47:06 Speaker 1: That's full that. 00:47:08 Speaker 2: What Google says is not I mean this, this is coming from the u U s d ae. 00:47:15 Speaker 3: Si is more than the past, more than ample temperature to kill all forms. 00:47:20 Speaker 1: I mean, just putting that. 00:47:22 Speaker 6: Out there for the uh, you know, for the people who sue for such things. 00:47:26 Speaker 2: Well point being, I mean, there are so many of us have lived off bear meat for big sections of our life, and it is not a significant health risk. 00:47:41 Speaker 3: I actually wonder which is greater health risk. My mom's fear are actually your mom's fear of us getting salmonella from eating cookie dough that right, which I've also never known anyone to get. 00:47:54 Speaker 4: Yeah, I've heard that my whole life. 00:47:55 Speaker 3: I've heard it my whole life, and I've never but experientially. 00:48:00 Speaker 4: I've never known anyone to actually have it. 00:48:02 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know anyone that's had salmonella period. 00:48:06 Speaker 6: I think that I have heard of it from lettuce. Okay, I actually think I I think I do know. 00:48:13 Speaker 4: From vegetables than from meat. 00:48:15 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's not trick I don't want to minimize Trickens's like it's it's it's a serious thing, but it's just interesting that. 00:48:25 Speaker 1: And I again, I don't even want to minimize it. 00:48:27 Speaker 2: But like you get die really bad diarrhea for a while, It's not like this thing that's gonna I mean, I suspect you could die from it. I mean, just like you could die from I think it's like the flu something terrible. You know, some minor thing that just goes unchecked for decades. 00:48:56 Speaker 4: You don't know, uh, one like outstanding questquestion I had about the piece, Like genuine question. They showed the shot on there. They showed the like me the bear. Now take that and replace it with any other video clip of a bear getting shot with bow from the like the hunter side, like I text you, and I was like, from the way I look at life, I thought it was a good thing that they showed it because I see that It's like, Okay, you can show that we're not taking irresponsible shots, right, you can see that, you know, from that angle. But then the other I was like, man, because the anti hunter thing that just came out. I was like, man, I don't know if it's the best thing to show. That's just the question I didn't know how I felt about. I was like, I don't know if that was the best thing to put that in there. But that's the one question mark I had, whether it was me shooting bear or not, any any shot of that I didn't know how. 00:49:51 Speaker 6: I thought it was kind of cool that they did it on primetime TV. 00:49:56 Speaker 4: Yeah at first I did, but I was like, I don't know, is that like fuel that kind of stuff or what that kind of stuff happened regardless if it. 00:50:04 Speaker 1: Had been our choice, that wouldn't have been on. 00:50:06 Speaker 4: There, yeah, because I would have been like, man, I just don't know if that's the best to put that on there, regardless of I mean, like, I think it's positive, right, but I don't know. That was like the one thing, you know what the way. 00:50:18 Speaker 1: Ted said it, I thought it was interesting. He said it was good for the bear. He said, bad for the hunters, good for the bear, a hunter that is actually thinking about animal welfare, like I would view a wounded animal as Oh man, yeah, I feel I feel responsible. 00:50:36 Speaker 2: You know that this bear, you know, and I would bet my truck that that bear was totally alive. 00:50:46 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean it does. 00:50:48 Speaker 4: You got it by a truck. 00:50:50 Speaker 2: If he's dead, it's not because of that arrow and I mean the razor sharp. I mean, I don't want to minimize the anyway. Did you see my point? Ted was like, good for the bear, and we were like, wait a minute bad for the bear right. 00:51:05 Speaker 1: That was interesting. 00:51:06 Speaker 4: I think that goes back to if I had to guess, because I remember him saying that, I think that goes back to that same deal when he was asking those very fundamental questions. I just think Ted just he's not in that world, you know. I think it's just a misunderstanding. Yeah. 00:51:20 Speaker 2: Well, and I was honored that he wanted to come do a story on bear hunting, That's what I'm saying. 00:51:27 Speaker 5: I thought he prompted that, like where he I mean, was that something that was presented to They. 00:51:34 Speaker 2: Have hundreds of stories pitched to them every year, and the journalists pick out the stories that they want to do and don't. I don't know what stood out to him about this one, but he was interested in it. And and I think Ted is interested in kind of Middle America that doesn't get a lot of press, and just things that are really normal to set of people that might be really unusual to most of America. 00:52:05 Speaker 1: And you know, I mean, y'all, we are interesting. 00:52:12 Speaker 4: Us news to us. 00:52:15 Speaker 2: But now I hope if if somebody's listening to this, like I would have said everything I've said to Ted Copple's face, I don't want to paint them in a negative light. He was just I put ted meeting Ted Copple up there with like getting to spend some time with Mourner Glenn. 00:52:36 Speaker 1: That's what he felt like. 00:52:37 Speaker 2: He just felt like a guy that was just kind of in a different stratosphere of life, experience what he's seen, what he's done. And I learned so much from being around people like that, Like the way that he treated people. I challenged challenges me, the way that he treated people and everything he said he was gonna do he did. 00:53:04 Speaker 1: I have no complaints. 00:53:05 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I like him because he just has a lot of gravitas but is so approachable. 00:53:12 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like he lets you in, you know. 00:53:15 Speaker 5: And maybe I mean that's that's part of what's made him good at his job, and that's part of his job. 00:53:20 Speaker 4: But he does a good job. Even if he's faking it, he does a good job doing it. Yeah. 00:53:25 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think I think. I think it was a great experience. 00:53:30 Speaker 6: I have nothing but respect for him, and I was I was really grateful for for the way. I think it's it is a really vulnerable thing just to even let your family talk to people, like say the shot wouldn't have gone off, you know that there was, there would have been no shot to discuss at the even without that to put the any type of exposure you're vulnerable to to how that person paints, what picture that person paints. And I felt like when I watched it yesterday, it was like, Okay, he was trustworthy with with these people that we love. 00:54:01 Speaker 3: So much, with with Lake, with with that. 00:54:03 Speaker 6: Difficult circumstance with Bear, with Clay, and and so I felt like he did a good job. 00:54:08 Speaker 3: And I also appreciate the Bear Grease crowd. 00:54:12 Speaker 6: Just in the in the roll out of it, I just thought the Bear Grease crowd was and I know not Yeah, they were vocal and they were supportive, and I think that makes a big difference inside. 00:54:23 Speaker 3: Of when when on the internet, Yeah, when one. 00:54:26 Speaker 6: Of us gets a gets a you know, gets portrayed, it's really good to show that there's there's good people that back them up as well. And I felt like by and large, what I saw the what people were putting out there, people even in the comments, it was just very respectful and very. 00:54:44 Speaker 3: And that's what we want to be. We want to be. 00:54:46 Speaker 6: We don't want to be the the trolls. We want to be the people that are are respectful, and it just felt like the bear Grease. 00:54:52 Speaker 3: It was good. You know, you feel like people are out there with you. 00:54:56 Speaker 6: We're all out there together, and that's kind of what it felt like yesterday because you never know are people going to say crazy stuff? 00:55:02 Speaker 3: Is that going to be the overwhelming thing in the comments? 00:55:04 Speaker 6: And it kind of felt like we weren't out there on that limb alone yesterday, that other people were out there with us, so big thanks to the bear Gery's Crown. 00:55:11 Speaker 5: I got several messages from people I haven't heard from in years that were just like, I just saw you on CV. 00:55:16 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:55:17 Speaker 3: Yeah, Josh Filmmaker got a call out. 00:55:20 Speaker 1: You got a big yet to played a big role in it, man. 00:55:22 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean right out there hunting Winny of the Pooh. 00:55:25 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean what you said. I mean they interviewed us for hours. 00:55:29 Speaker 2: Yeah, like what I told people when they said, well, do you think it was good? 00:55:33 Speaker 4: Clay? 00:55:34 Speaker 1: I was like, yeah I did. 00:55:36 Speaker 2: I said I did at least an hour and a half of like face to face interview with Ted Copple, and they probably played my voice for four minutes. 00:55:48 Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe maybe three yeah, maybe two. 00:55:51 Speaker 2: So it's like, could I possibly, I mean, we talked about Pittman Robertson, we talked about I want to address something that we talked about that okay. If there's one thing that I could go back and redo was the stuff about agriculture. I had some ranchers be like, well, you threw us under the bus, because I basically at the end, I say, hey, if you got a problem with me going out into the to the wild killing a bear and bringing home and eating it, but yet you're okay with confinement agriculture, that's the word that I used. 00:56:30 Speaker 3: You know, it's a double standard. 00:56:34 Speaker 1: And yeah, and what they didn't play and it's not their fault. 00:56:41 Speaker 2: Is I qualified that statement, like I talked about and I don't remember, I don't. I'm a little bit afraid to say what I said because I actually don't entirely remember. But I remember saying, man, I grew up in a in a region that was full of chicken farms. I've got dear friends that are chicken farmers. I don't think they're bad people, no, and I don't. I'm not necessarily against a confinement chicken farm. I'm just saying if you're mad at me for killing them exactly, and then you're eating chicken nuggle. 00:57:13 Speaker 4: I feel like you. I feel like you articulated that. 00:57:16 Speaker 5: At the end, they're saying, if you eat meat, but you have a problem with if you eat meat from confinement agriculture, but have a problem with this, you're going to lose that argument. That's not saying don't eat meat from well. 00:57:28 Speaker 1: I mean, I think it was interpreted. 00:57:30 Speaker 2: It was interpreted well everybody just like me. If I hear somebody talking about hunting, I'm on pins and needles, like trying to interpret what they mean and what they said, and I take offence if they handle it wrong. 00:57:44 Speaker 1: I don't. 00:57:45 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm pro American agriculture, and I mean, we got to have chicken houses exactly. 00:57:51 Speaker 4: The fact of the matter is there's not enough wild games. 00:57:55 Speaker 2: Our dear friend Terrell Spencer, across the Creek Farms right down the road here has a has a incredible pastured poultry operation. And Spence would sit here today and tell you that his chicken is notably more expensive than what you can buy down here at the store. And it's because and so my point is, and his chicken is also better like no one argues that. Nobody wants to argue that. 00:58:22 Speaker 1: But it's like, we got a lot of people to feed on this planet. 00:58:25 Speaker 4: Yep. 00:58:26 Speaker 2: Not everybody can eat pasture poultry unfortunately. I mean it's the best case scenario, right, the way they do it. Everybody can eat wild game exactly. So I apologize that that's the way that that could have been portrayed. 00:58:39 Speaker 6: Yeah, we didn't want to pit one against the other. We just wanted to say, let's not have a double standard, like you can't say one's okay and one's not. 00:58:46 Speaker 3: These are essentially that's right. 00:58:48 Speaker 4: I interpreted it that way, but I could see, you know why someone in the line of work of agriculture could you know, maybe take misinterpreted what you said. 00:58:57 Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, well so again I've you can't you can't win everything, and nor can you do it right every time. I mean, I'm not a train I'm not trained to, you know, stand in front of the world's. 00:59:15 Speaker 4: I think we're greatest. That that night, I think we both proved that it's true. 00:59:21 Speaker 1: It's true. Oh man, well it was a. 00:59:25 Speaker 3: Really it's a wonderful opportunity. Hey, but it's a little bit stressful. 00:59:30 Speaker 1: What about it. 00:59:31 Speaker 3: That's the part that people don't see. 00:59:33 Speaker 6: It's like it was, and we are grateful, But this whole time we've not known what on earth is this thing going to look. 00:59:38 Speaker 4: But when I started getting text yesterday morning that granted everyone were people over fifty, but they were. But I started getting text and I was like, oh, it's out. So I found and I like, I just got myself where it wouldn't be any distractions. I watched it. When it was over, I went. 00:59:59 Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes you feel good. 01:00:02 Speaker 6: Yeah, And I think it's cute that like refer to people over fifty, like like they're the old folks. 01:00:08 Speaker 3: Josh, how old will you mean? 01:00:09 Speaker 4: May I'll be fifty? Hey, yeah, some people like Josh Sunday Morning demographic. Mom. That's right. 01:00:19 Speaker 5: Me and Dab were sitting there watching CBS Sunday Morning. Oh over our Meta musial Gary and Juju man there. Their their phones were lighting up. Oh I bet they, I mean like everybody they know. 01:00:32 Speaker 4: So my mom called me. She's like, Lake, were you just on CBS? All of her friends were calling her. 01:00:40 Speaker 3: And and you didn't tell her. 01:00:42 Speaker 4: I didn't know. I didn't know until it was out. Also that mom, check this out. You're gonna want to really see me, not get there. You're gonna love that, and I don't mom there, don't get too excited. Oh gosh, that's hilarious. 01:00:57 Speaker 2: Hey, okay, So I was pretty amaze is that the number of people that told me that they watched CBS Sunday Morning. 01:01:04 Speaker 5: I mean the people that were messaging me were people who were older and you know, late thirties, early forties, and so I was surprised. 01:01:11 Speaker 1: Those aren't older people. 01:01:12 Speaker 5: Josh, Well, one of the guys was in his sixties. 01:01:17 Speaker 3: Twenty five to fifty four demographic. 01:01:20 Speaker 4: Twenty five to fifty four. 01:01:22 Speaker 3: Consisting a consistently in the twenty five I've kind. 01:01:26 Speaker 2: Of purposely stayed away from well not kind of like absolutely stayed away from politics and whatnot. But I got to give a little shout out just talking about where you get your news. I listened to this Breaking Points with what's what's my buddy's name. 01:01:44 Speaker 3: Sagar, that's what you always say. 01:01:46 Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, there's a there's a podcast called Breaking Points, and you know, probably like a lot of people, but I believe it to be true. They talk about how it's they've got people from all sides of the political spectrum, and every day they give commentary on what's going on. 01:02:03 Speaker 1: I find it pretty interesting. 01:02:04 Speaker 6: They're not shouting at each other, you know, like sometimes you have all sides of the political spectrum, and I have no tolerance for shouting at each other. I don't want to hear that. I don't want to hear that, so I don't I don't listen to them every day, but I. 01:02:15 Speaker 1: Don't listen to them every day. 01:02:19 Speaker 2: But it's it's pretty informative. Well man, this this Uh. We didn't get a chance to talk about the second Mule episode unfortunately, which is seems so relevant. 01:02:35 Speaker 4: I would have liked to have gotten Ted on a mule. That would have been awesome. 01:02:38 Speaker 1: Yeah, Ted and Warner Glenn. 01:02:41 Speaker 4: That would be. 01:02:43 Speaker 3: Fame on that one. 01:02:47 Speaker 2: If I would have introduced Ted Copple to Warner Glenn, he would have never. 01:02:51 Speaker 3: Come to Arkansas, would Warner Glenn? 01:02:54 Speaker 1: I mean, holy cow? Yeah, you could do it. You could do it quite the piece on immigration, I mean anything. If you remember on the episodes I did with Warner Glen years ago, he you know, the southern border of the Malpi Ranch is the Mexican US border, and. 01:03:13 Speaker 4: Uh, for. 01:03:16 Speaker 2: Fifty plus years of Warner's life. That fence was an eight strand barbed wire fence. Today it's a new section of Trump's wall. Wow, it's a it's a huge. 01:03:31 Speaker 4: It's a huge. 01:03:32 Speaker 2: I mean I've been there and put my hands on the bars. It's a it's a twenty foot wall, new concrete. But oddly, every time there's a road that goes down the wall, every time you go down in a little drainage where a creek has the roll through. 01:03:51 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's enough room to get under there. 01:03:53 Speaker 2: There's there's holes big enough to drive a truck through. For real, one hundred per saw it with my own ice. 01:04:01 Speaker 1: I mean maybe not. Let me back up, if I'm just being literal, big. 01:04:05 Speaker 2: Enough to a hybrid Kia, a hybrid Keia, your canm you could drive your canam on the room. 01:04:12 Speaker 1: Yeah really yeah? 01:04:14 Speaker 4: Are there tracks? 01:04:15 Speaker 1: I mean I didn't look for tracks. 01:04:18 Speaker 2: But the day, the day, the first time I pulled into the driveway of Warner Glenn, I'm driving out and I have to pull off of the road so that two white vans can pass me. They've been at his house, clearly, because it's two mile long driveway. And when I get there, I say, hey, who is that that we just passed? And they go, oh, that was immigration. They just picked up seventeen people and they were hiding out behind the barn. Oh my wow, I showed up and that so Ted. If you'd like to talk to Warner Glenn, you have to come through. 01:04:58 Speaker 1: Me five five one. 01:05:00 Speaker 6: If there's any other controversial topics you'd like to discustinate, like any other. 01:05:04 Speaker 1: Areas, it's interesting that I'm not. 01:05:07 Speaker 2: I'm not, I am, I am. It's just interesting, that's all it is. It's not I mean, it might be controversial, but it's just interesting, is it not. 01:05:16 Speaker 5: I mean, it's pretty fascinating, the the whole landscape there. 01:05:21 Speaker 1: Hey man, oh you want to talk. I've got nothing to fear. 01:05:26 Speaker 2: I wish the world could just open up my chest and just peer in and see everything I think about issues. I know, Misty we were talking this week. I mean, if you're if you're a oh, let's do it, let's do it. I mean, if you I mean talking about immigration, if you're talking about immigration, I mean, I think many people in this country would would would say that they believe the Bible, and that they would lean onto the Bible. 01:05:55 Speaker 1: Look for it for instruction for life. 01:05:58 Speaker 2: Littered throughout the Bible as much as anything is is talk of how God thinks about immigrants. 01:06:07 Speaker 3: And how important it is how we treat them. 01:06:09 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just I'm not even the delivery boy. I just read it myself. I mean, so it just kind of makes you think I'd be careful the way I thought about. 01:06:20 Speaker 1: It, you know what I mean. 01:06:23 Speaker 2: I mean there's a there's a narrative that's very easy to grab onto, and there's there's a balance inside of it. 01:06:29 Speaker 4: I mean, keep the wild places wild, because that's where the bears life. 01:06:38 Speaker 1: This has been a great episode. This has been a great episode. 01:06:42 Speaker 3: Baby woke up and had his coffee. 01:06:44 Speaker 2: You know what, I'm just I think I think I just, uh no, I did. This is your great things to discuss. I like, I like thinking about these just any any of these kind of topics. And it's okay for people to hear that from me there certainly turn it on any possible channel and hearing very extreme narratives on every possible side of all these things. 01:07:08 Speaker 1: You know, so. 01:07:10 Speaker 2: Like closing comments, I'll give you the closing word, like you're going to give me the closing word, Like was. 01:07:16 Speaker 1: Not afforded you in the CBS pace. 01:07:19 Speaker 4: No, I I think it was overall positive experience. If I was given the same opportunity tomorrow, I would take another swing show back up. Yeah, I mean, like I said, I mean, I have nothing. Like I said, at the time, it was a little rocky there, but in retrospect it's I mean, I would do it again. I would just try to make a better shot. 01:07:46 Speaker 2: But you know you're gonna have to go back through this all again when the Meat Eater film comes out. 01:07:51 Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, well that's. 01:07:53 Speaker 1: The Meat Eater film. 01:07:54 Speaker 4: That. 01:07:55 Speaker 2: Like what the world doesn't realize is that that clip has not been broadcast to the world yet. 01:08:02 Speaker 1: It's gonna be on media YouTube challenge sometimes. 01:08:04 Speaker 4: So here's here's that. Like the whole part where it was rocky had nothing to do with that part of it, yeah, because it was just the interview with Ted was where I was like whoa, because thankfully because of my primo's years. Like, man, I remember the first time that I missed a shot at a bull elk and then I had to go archery, I had to go back hunting the next day. Is the first time I messed up anything on video and I was like I remember waking up next morning, I was like, can I actually do this? You know? And then I didn't get a shot until I think it was two days after and I killed a bull and that was like good. Mentally it was good. I was like, all right, I can't overcome that. But then it was like after that, I think I hadn't missed a turkey in a long time, and I missed like two on back to back days, all on video. And so I say all that to say, like I have been raked across the coals in the YouTube comp mint section many times that whatever, yeah, I don't that doesn't It is what it is, you know. But like it was the whole like interview part that I was like, but yeah, yeah, this is what it is. I get it. I get it. 01:09:17 Speaker 2: Well, uh Lake, because of being being the guest on in the COVID hot seat today, Lake's got some new COVID. 01:09:25 Speaker 6: Boots looking sharp, it really does. And he's also got a new picture, a picture, a new piece of art. 01:09:31 Speaker 2: Oh I thought that was. 01:09:36 Speaker 4: The time. 01:09:36 Speaker 2: Yes, I can't believe we forgot about it. It looks like you roll the roll the tape, Josh. 01:09:42 Speaker 1: We got a film that. 01:09:43 Speaker 4: It looks like you'll plan that. I didn't notice it was there. 01:09:45 Speaker 1: Do it? Do it vertical so that I can use it? 01:09:48 Speaker 4: Okay, there we go. 01:09:49 Speaker 1: Yes, I cannot believe I didn't think about this. 01:09:52 Speaker 4: I didn't think about it either. 01:09:53 Speaker 1: This is this. 01:09:55 Speaker 2: Is your This is this is your, your little little little fla. It's beautiful, it's so yeah, I'm sorry. You may have seen me a few weeks ago at an antique store by a print for lake of some fruit. It's a three piece framed print, not in great shape, pretty very old, I'm they got the antique store said for sure, late eighteen hundreds, early nineteen hundreds, so well over one hundred years old. 01:10:28 Speaker 3: And it's pretty cool. 01:10:30 Speaker 1: What kind of animals do we have? 01:10:31 Speaker 4: We've got we've got a rough grouse, We've got an American woodcock. We have a drake mallard. The fruit is to me. Yeah. Then we've got some bob white quail and some rabbits. You've got just a small game schmorgasbord going on over here. But the yeah, the drake mallard and the grouse and the woodcock and the quails, which spoke to me. I had to have it. 01:10:55 Speaker 6: We we started taking footage of Clay because he was River was filming him. Bear and I were laughing so hard because it's a it's a super cool antique shop in downtown Perry Grove. We love going there, but it's like as you walk on the wood, you can hear it creek. So everyone kind of walks a little bit like tiptoes. 01:11:15 Speaker 3: Around in there. 01:11:16 Speaker 6: And Clay's children love and respect him, they really do, and they also kind of joke about just the level of intensity with that he brings to everything he does. And he's in that antique store just like going both barrels on this. We can hear him over here. We can hear him walking back up the stairs. We can see that here when he gets excited that he found a picture, and he's just sweet. Bear and I were having a good time down on the lower story. 01:11:46 Speaker 4: See for me, it's like it's like a good it's a good confirmation that I'm putting my best foot forward. If Clay saw an old picture with you know, Mallard's grouse and quail in it and said late needs this. 01:11:59 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, it's a pretty cool picture. 01:12:03 Speaker 4: Oh it's fantastic and really cool frame too. 01:12:05 Speaker 3: Just that you can see on the back of it how old is. 01:12:07 Speaker 2: It's in a little bit worse shape than I thought. I'm trying to take the price tag off. It's a little bit worse shape than I originally realized. But it's just it's kind of faded, kind of got an old antique look of the shape. 01:12:20 Speaker 4: Of it adds to it. 01:12:21 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so too. 01:12:22 Speaker 1: So what are you going to do with this? 01:12:24 Speaker 4: I might So I've got my room in there, I've got some taxidermy and stuff. And then I'm actually got that painting of Buffalo that Kyle Carroll gave to me. Oh yeah, I'm gonna put it right up there next to it, above it, but below it somewhere and pair it up with that nice I think it's cool. 01:12:40 Speaker 2: But it's good. Yeah, it's good. I'm glad we did that. You got a lot of things. You got to pay it to Covis and that painting. 01:12:47 Speaker 4: Yeah, have to come up here more often. 01:12:50 Speaker 6: Yeah, and you might even get coupled sometimes if you hang around with Clay Long. 01:12:55 Speaker 4: You never know. Just that's what's your biggest take If someone like, what's your biggest take away from you know? Getting interviewed by Ted coffles. Stay on your toes exactly. Always be on your game. 01:13:07 Speaker 1: Stay on your toes, and the camera's rolling. 01:13:11 Speaker 2: Thanks everybody, Thank you so much. Keep the wild places wild, because that's where the bears live.