00:00:00 Speaker 1: Hey everybody, and welcome to another episode of The Hunting Collective. Man, it's good to be podcasting again this week, and I'm joined by Remy Warrant and Tim Bernett. You may know both these gentlemen from the show Solo Hunter that appears on the television and you watch it there. Um, they're both, you know, outside of being involved in that television program, both these guys are experienced hunters. Um, they know their ship when it comes to Western hunting, and they've just got a bunch of experience to share with us all. So we're going to We're at the Sheep Show, We're at the YETI booth, we're hanging out. Uh, it's a great day. A lot of like minded folks walking around this show, and we are enjoying a weekend in Reno, Divada, which happens to be Remy's hometown and the home state Mr Burnett. So, without further ado, Tim and Remy in Reno enjoy Hey, Rabby Warren, what's up Ben over? Hey man checking out the Sheep Show And it's in my hometown of Reno, Neva from Nova. Yeah, this is my stomping grounds where we did the Meat Eater podcast. Yesterday. Um, I used to do hockey practice there in that same room, and that room. Course of the is this when you were how long ago? Was this like middle school age? You're deep. You're deep in the reno years ago. Heay, Tim, I am an implant of reno though. Oh yeah, I feel a lot of pressure these I have Reno trivia or something. We could have Reno trivia. The first thing I would say is don't eat the purple parrot. The purple parrot. No, what you guys said you had lunch there yesterday. I didn't. That sounds We got We flew, we flew in. We were it was late. We wanted sushi. It turns out none of your sushi restaurants are open past nine pm. Great sushi just down the street. Everywhere, they're good sushi. But it was past nine pm. There was no There was one place open according to the internet. We went there and they turned us down. So we just went down the escalator and found the purple parrot. Oh inside a cassine in the Atlantis. Okay, with the sushi in the Atlantis is open late? Yeah, we tried to go there and they turned us away. Bastards. Okay, now, I understand where the purple parrot came from. Him. We just like googled super mad that we went. He was like, what are you guys doing? Man like Reno a bad name, Like Reno has really good food and it's Reno's extremely strange that it's this Like I think Reno is the sushi capital of the West, and you there will be people people always challenge me on it. Then I take them to sushi and Rena and the like this, this is incredible. They're the best. There's guys that come in for shows, like the Prime Guys. When they come in, they're just like, all we want to do is go to sushi. Just take us to sush she because it's so good here. It's good. But it's also you're like, okay, is it the quality of fish? Well, the quality is good, but we aren't competing on quality. We're competing on price quantity with good quality. Does that make? That's the equation? And that is what you're You're eating that and you're like you can have anything you want for twenty five dollars, like all in, like as much as you want, so you're just you're not full. You're not saying the best quality sushi. You're saying the best, but the quality is as good as most places, you know what I'm saying, Like, I think it's as good as I've had pretty much. Yeah, I mean there's like a few places they get like a specialty fish and you're like, okay, like yeah, it's I'm eating fluke or something, you know, but like for your standard sushi and then just having like good creative roles that are like the other day I went, I was just like told the chef, I brought a bunch of guys, all the outdoors some of the Outdoorsman crew up there, and they're just like, you know, just let the chef go wild. And I mean it was just incredible, you know, and you're like, Okay, this is awesome. For plus plus you get free saki. Now I wish I had some kind of a coupon deal. I've got a punch card, so you want to if we want to offer that, Tim will mail you his punch card. No, no, no, it's probably no. You gotta you gotta come to Reno. You gotta come buy mine, and then I'll give you my punch card. That's right. Don't be don't be a cheap skate. All right, Well, we're at the we're here like in the corner of the Yetie booth. If you hear this, like soft not soft, this murmur in the background, that's all the sheep show folks walking around checking out. We got first light hanging out. There's yetti. Um, so that's what you're hearing. But give me a sheep show. Give me a sheep show story. What's your first sheep shown? Because you Yeah, I've been coming to the sheep Show probably since I was I don't know, since I could walk maybe, I mean, honestly can't remember. Used to be at what is now the GSR and Reno, but I think it used to be like Alleys or MGM. Then like it's changed names like three times like that. That's how old school I go with the sheep Show. I think they've been doing it for what thirty years or something, and most of them have been in Reno. Um, they did go away for a little bit. They kind of did like a little they went to Wyoming and kind of rotated around and then they were they never in Vegas. They might have done Vegas once and they kind of combined with the Mule Deer Foundation for a little while when their members, you know, weren't as strong to do and then it's cool to see it grow to this level where they're back at the convention Center, a big show. Grey Thornton from Wild Sheep was telling me they're they're growing like thirty percent a year attendees of this show. And as you know, you guys have been to all the shows, I feel like it's one of the most fun places you can go. Man. You can win a sheep on around every corner, but it's just a casual atmosphere. Man, it's not. Yeah, it's it's my favorite show. I think probably because the crowds aren't like they are in other shows. But it's also the stuff off to, like you're really passionate about, and it's not just all sheep. There's a lot of other cool things. And the fact that I can go home and sleep in my own bed that's pretty sweet. Yeah, that's pretty good for you guys. It's like it's like the home game, Like we're really rooting for the Sheep Show because I feel like it's a part of Reno every year and now if they move it on me and then I'll be like, damn them. Damn there. That's like, that's like the Raiders going to Las Vegas, you know, right, It's like Tim, if you ever want to sheep on here at this show, I've never want to sheep on. No, you have to enter the raffles and the different things, uh you know what and all. Honestly, I don't usually just just random depends on what mood I'm in that day, like I have some years, but mostly I don't remy as a winner, right, oh yeah, And I do enter the raffles for so I've wanted all sheep hunt here. Um, the best odds are like the one more for force. So if you've got three sheep, um you don't have Yeah. Okay, So there's four basic species of I mean there's a lot of species sheep, but in North America we classified the doll sheep, stone sheep, Desert big horn, and Rocky Mountain big horn. Um. So when I was a kid, I drew a Desert big horn tag in Nevada and harvested that. I drew a California big horn tag a handful of years ago in Nevada, harvested that and then um there you They used to have a half slam drawing where if you had two sheep you could you were automatically entered into this one drawing. You couldn't buy tickets for it, and you had to be present to win. So it's really good odds um and my dad won that like ten years ago, and the outfitter let me shoot a sheep on that hunt. He's like, as long as there's two were legal ramps together, you can shoot one if you know. I had tag and everything. So I shot a sheep that then, and then a couple of years later I came here. I put one ticket in the doll sheep drawing one that, and now I'm in the one more for four, which is the They no longer have the half slam, so they have the three quarter slam or one more for four because um yeah. So you register your sheep that you've harvested with them of the species. They give you a ticket, and everybody that's registered gets a ticket. But if you don't show up to the banquet that night and they draw your name, you're out. One year, a guy went to the bathroom during that time drew his name. He didn't get it. They move on alive or streaming alive or something or Heart Alive. Oh yeah. The guy was streaming it while he was going the bath while he heard his name, and then it was like, no, you've got to be kidding me. I have a friend a friend. The one year he missed, he was drawn, and then two years ago a guy was like, I mean sometimes I go through ten names and you're in a room looking around, going, there's not that that's the best odds for sheep tag probably in the world, I don't know. And there was a guy that wasn't there the year before his name was drawn. The following year he got drawn on the third I think it was like the third draw after the first two weren't there, and he learned his lesson and at least he got rebuttaled. So how they did for the hunt? Do they? When they draw your name, they're like, oh, you need a stone we get at hunt. So they just have to book the hunt for you. You Yeah, And so people donate to that specifically UM to keep that going, and then that money goes to pay an outfitter to book your hunt, and like, you know, if you think about actually just wrote an article for Western Hunter magazine UM about sheep hunts and drawings because there's if you investigate some of the draws around the West, some of the raffles have way better odds than the state draws. Like there's there's um the California chapter for Wild Sheep Foundation has a rowing. I think it's like one in a hundred and fifty um. They only sell you know, that's that's way better. I already bought my ticket, So go go for it, guys. It doesn't matter. Like I mean, Wyoming does something similar. Idaho, man, their Wild Chief Foundation has some of the most incredible draw odds for a sheep tag through these raffles. I know Alaska does too. Alaska several different yeah chapter events. Yeah, and so you know a lot of these chapter events have some crazy draws. You know. Wild Chief are the ones that where you gotta be present and or even Hunt Expo next week. The only reason I go to Hunt Expo, no offense hunt Expo, but it's to try to win a sheep tag or one of those other tags that I drew that drew in an elk tag and packaged lake on a five dollar five dollar raffle. I guess you call it a lottery. I don't know what you call that. It's a it's a raffle, but I mean it's like the Alaska state draws technically a raffle as well. So that's it's a good time. Like this is a good way to spin it because it's it's kind of tagged all season right now. Um, well get to the tail tail into some of it. But both of you guys do a lot of that talk about Um, Timmy, you start talking about how if a guy you know is having shitty luck on his tags, Like, what are some of the things Alaska being one for me where it's a lottery you put in you put you can put in for twelve different animals, Um, what are some ways around ot see some ways that are around the tag draw system that are just great opportunities that people might be missing out there. So I'm probably not the one to speak on that because I don't put in for a lot of the draws a lot of the states. I've always been one that I like freedom and I like to well, not that I wouldn't want to draw, that still a good conversation, like how do you Yeah, you hunt all over the place. What's the strategy for somebody who doesn't want to play the game. So, um, I'm terrible with research. My brother helps me out a bunch with like Montana, Wyoming, um, and a lot of some of the Idaho stuff. And then one of my good buddies, Riley Warwood, he runs the bullshop in NiFi, Utah. He does all my Utah, New Mexico, Colorado, um, all of those things. And then I just take care of of Idaho and Nevada for myself. But I don't put in for a lot of the sheep hunts or any of those because the odds are you're probably never gonna draw um, and I just choose not to play those odds because living in Nevada, you've got better chance of drawing she tag than anywhere else. Um. And then occasionally I'll drop into some of these raffles, but I really don't, so I'm not I'm probably the worst example. People are like, yeah, you're stupid. You know you're gonna get better opportunities if you would, which is true. Um, I just don't. But you mostly it's because you mostly do over the counter stuff, which is a great So that's a good option for the guys that don't want to, like, you know, if you what's the strategy. What's your strategy going into these things. I I just kind of have the core hunts that I know I'm gonna do that year that are the given, you know. And then and then I kind of have in the back of my head and I have a plan that if I fill my tag in this state, I'm gonna pop over the state. So for instance, I'll put in for Montana every year, and if I draw Montana, then that's gonna be my folks for elk. That'll be my focus for l that September um because I only want to hunt elk in the rut pretty much. And if I kill in Montana or if it's sucking in Montana, I know that I can always hop over Idaho because I I um have my Idaho over the counter bowl license and so I can either get my second bowl there or that if the hunting sucks in Montana, I'll just move over there and try to do it there. So that's kind of how I play it is. The over the counter is something you can generally always get, even though some of the units in Ido are starting to sell out a little bit. But that way, like I don't know, I just thrive on freedom and flexibility, and I can call up my wife and say, I just feel my tag. I'm not supposed to be home for four days. I'm gonna pop over to hear, you know, and go hunt for a little bit longer. And I do that in the Midwest too, when I chase white tails too. So give us. I know you've got some specific things that you do. Oh yeah. I mean I play the tag game like team's the pessimists and I'm the op It's like, but I mean, the reality is most all my tags are over the counter tags or general area tags, because you know, you're just chasing tags, chasing tags, stationing tags. I mean, I've got more points in more places than a lot of people, and I'm still not getting tags, but some of them too. It's like the way that they staggered the draws. You know, I might get a tag in a state that draws first, so I keep building points in the states that end up drawing later, like California. You know, I I have enough preference points to guarantee the archery tag that I want, maybe double the points that I need to guarantee the archery tag I want. But that's the last draw to come out and by then I'm already I'm already I've already figured out a plan. Um, So you know I do play the draw game. Um, it can be you know, I see both sides of it. But I started like I started when I was in middle like high school, fifteen fourteen, fifteen sixteen, Like I would take the mone that I made and save it to apply for tags. And back then, they didn't have like youth discounts. That wasn't a thing. Like they didn't care about their youth. It wasn't that wasn't a thing. So I started applying because I kind of had a little bit of foresight, knowing that how much I love hunting. And I was like, now when I'm an adult, I want to be able to draw a tag. The only way to get twenty points is to start when you're young, Um, and keep applying. So I've been doing it for essentially over half my life. Um, I've only drawn, well, I've drawn I've been fortunate. I've drawn two sheep tags in Alaska. I've drawn two sheep tags in Nevada. Um, but your Alaska strategy, I mean that's something that people are always asking about, like, oh, how do you do how do you approach Alaska each year? But I will not give my secrets, and so I I apply for Alaska. Um, you know, Well, so for the sheep, you have to apply through an outfitter, which um, my good buddy Jeremy Russ, and he has rogue expeditions and so um, like I apply through him, you know, and then you know, because it has to be like guided and legal and whatever. So that's I go through him. And I mean he's a good dude to go with, Like if you're if you're like I want to go on a sheep hunt, the best hunt, the cheapest hunt that you can go on in North America is a doll sheep. He has really good prices on doll sheep, and um, you know, he likes to have younger hunters, and I think that that's why his prices are a little bit lower, like he would you know what I mean, like, because I think you price yourself out of guys that uh like for a sheep hunt, that's crazy. And I mean they're still expensive, but I would say he's on the lower end of a really expensive hunt, which if you think about if you saved for four years and don't apply like his thing was like, look, if you didn't apply in any of these states and you save that twenty five hundred bucks a year, you'd be sheep hunting. Like, you'd be sheep hunting way sooner than you're ever going to draw a tag. And like that's his strategy. And I think that that's actually a good strategy, um, because you can just book it be like, hey, I'm going in this year. You know, I don't know that that's a good strategy to like if you want to sheep hunt. Um, But living in the state of Nevada, were fortunate, like I will probably I've drawn a desert tag, I've passed my waiting period and now I have like seven or eight points again, so I will draw one, maybe two more desert sheep tags in my life. I will probably kill three to five rams in the state Nevada as a resident. That's why I live into Vada. And this is a great ad for but in a resident, but like, seriously, don't move to Nevada. Our freaking odds. Um. There's a lot of folks I listen to this. We get I get messages in and just on the media platform, we get it all the time with people that have no idea how to start any of this, you know. So a lot of the things we just said are like presumption that people understand what we're talking about when we say certain terms. How would you, guys, if somebody said, I live I live in the east, I live in the South, I live wherever I want to come west. I wanna um doing over the counter hunt. I'd like to start putting in for draws. I'd like to start getting in the process. What's the like, what are the things that you would tell someone if they walked up to you and asked that very detailed and very you know, nuance question. I think it's worth turning it over their professionals, you know. I mean there's there's application companies out there like Epic and Hunting Fool and all those others, you know. For us, I was looking at their fees because I don't subscribe to any of those either, but I was looking at their application fees, and it's it's pretty dang reasonable to have somebody that knows what they're doing, that can just have a phone conversation with you to set up a strategy, um, and that's what they do for their livelihood, you know. So they're gonna be a lot better at it. So I would recommend guys get aligned with someone like that if they're wanting to come out west and find out what opportunities on a draw tag. But there's a lot of over the counter stuff too, you know, and a lot of that just comes from social networking and getting to know people. Um, if you depended on how big a balls you got, you can do some map research and just find find some areas and go. And I've got a lot of I've talked to a lot of people that are like, yeah, we we went out to Colorado, we picked a spot on the map over the counter, went out and just got it handed to us. Yeah, we want to do it different this time, you know, So what would you recommend? And I'm like, do it again. Just don't go to that spot, you don't go to somewhere else, because that's that's really what it takes. If you're likely you're gonna get beat up at least a couple of times before you hit hit a spot where it's worth it and how hard you want to work for it, you know. I mean, it seems like, yeah, it would be nice to be able to just call someone up and say where can I go l hunting and have them put you in a honeyholder. But that's the easy button, you know. I mean, how how hard you want to work in it with it and how much do you want to invest into it for the future in the long term and to find a spot that you're That's gotta be a good point because when a lot of people that are asking that question that just really don't have a perspective on what they're about to try to do. The quite the thing is just to be ready to work, like be ready to hit your head against the wall. Just be ready, or go with a guide then who it wants to see if you like it, and then and then make a plan from there. But I think, um, I'll break it down like this from like the in just this will be like a how to guide breaking it down right, So you're you're new to hunting in the West, right, So, like I get a lot of questions like how do I play the application game? So I'd say, if you want to spend the least amount of money doing it but have like the best success for yourself, I do this. You pick three states. Okay, you do one state that has a random draw, you do one state that is on preference points, and you do one state that is on bonus points. Okay, so preference point like you build up and then when the you apply with that the highest number of preference points to a certain area, you're guaranteed like Wyoming has that, um, Colorado has that, California has that. Now, those preference point states, like the best areas might take more than you could ever get in your lifetime, but there are decent areas that take three to four points, so you plan on those you saw three to four years out. Then the random draw states would be like New Mexico, Idaho, Alaska. Put in for those because you could get you're on the same starting out New You're on the same playing field for a great tag as everybody else, and that and that play fields not going to change. It's not gonna flip or flip around on it correct And then the bonus point is like everybody's in the hat, but the people with the more points have a greater chance, like Nevada um Utel is like a modified preference and bonus point state. UM where else Nevada's bonus, Montana's bonus um. So those states like you could draw any year, but the longer you put in, the more you're rewarded. So you're setting up a plan of Okay, I could random the draw something, I have something planned out, and then I have a better chance of randomly drawing something the longer I do it. Now you pick what you're you want to hunt, because the thing about a draw tag is you're gonna have a lot more opportunity because it's it's it's similar to hunting like private land, because there's fewer people and generally like higher age, class of animal, like more opportunity, easier, easier in the fact of like more opportunity. But in the meantime, you do those draws and then you resort to a general unit when you want to go like the counterback. Now now I'm going O T C. I'm doing a general area in Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, Oregon. Like you know, there are general units in nearly every state for some species. Nevada is the only state that does not have a gent or one of the only states that doesn't have some general unit for something. But there are you know, tags that might be easier to draw, um, so that that's where you're gonna get your experience and you do that, you want to like do that. Your first year you started playing like Okay, now I'm gonna go out west. For the planning process, I use a lot of maps and then you're just gonna have to do your research. Um, that on x app is incredible for planning. Like even me who hunts, like I used I used to use paper maps. Now I use on x maps like there's so many like layers and all this other stuff. And then just read articles on elk hunting what you're looking for, Like I don't know, there's probably a library somewhere of thirty articles that I've written on how to find elk spots. I don't know how you get those Western hunter like like get get like those magazines. Don't don't subscribe to the magazines that like you're just about I don't like not even Magaze, But like anything, there's stuff that like deep dives into you how to get the how to stuff, And if that's not fun to you, you probably should just quit. Like it's it's fun to me and it's interesting to me to to do the research, find a spot and realize when you get to that fucking spot that there are animals there and you were right, like and then that's your spot. Well like like it. My I don't like to do um. I don't like to do like the draw research or the tag research or any of that stuff. So I turned that over to my brother. Like, but what I really really thrive on is is once I have an area narrowed down, I love digging into that area. You know, So um, you have to kind of like there there's ways to get around things that you don't like to be in order to focus on the things that you do like, you know, so every person is going to be different. And if all of this is just too overwhelming and too daunting, like I say, you know, go with an outfit or something and experience it. Because the thing of it is, if you're not experiencing the West and experiencing those hunts, you and dream about all you want until you put a plan in motion and actually go out and do it, then you really Then you figure out if you've really got a taste for it. And when you get a taste for it, then there's no stopping. There's plenty of folks, plenty of folks that just don't have the time to do what we're talking about, you know, to do what remedy is talking about. So yeah, there are the shortcuts to it, and then you can decide whether this is the way you want to go. I want one. You want to playing if you're playing in a single Western hunt every year and doing all the research starting in February, starting in January, and doing all the research, then once you draw your tag or once you have your areas spotted, then you're gonna continue to research that area, maybe make a scouting trip in July, and then go do your hunt in September. Like that. That's a badass way to spend your time. The cool thing about like remedy strategy, that's that's pretty much what I do, other than I don't put in for that many states. But you're you can hunt elk every year. I get a hunt elk every year because now that obviously I was from Idaho, so I have my spot where I go. But when you're coming out and you you come out and have a great experien rians, I guess, well, all of a sudden you got your spot, and all you got you over the counter spot you can go to every year and then just kind of branch out and expand that territory and move territories. But once you've done it once, all the all the mystery, all the fear, everything else is out of the way, and now it's like baller man, this is gonna be sweeping. I just moved to Monte and I'm refusing any spots, any suggestions. Don't tell me where. I don't want to know where to go. I just wanna. If I fail for a couple of years, that's great. I don't give a ship. I would much rather do it on my own fine spots, you know, wake up early in the morning to hike in and find there's eight other guys in there. I'd rather do it that way and be able to kind of get the intellectual property my own, my own way, whether it takes me longer, or I get lucky and find some some spots around town. Who knows, But I want to go through it, you know, unfettered and just and get it. I think Tim brought up a good point, and it's something that I actually do as well. Is sometimes like the research. I mean, like I I put a lot of research into like applications of things. But I've also done that my entire life. But another thing that I do is when you have a tag, you're better off to just pick an area right like you can. The first time I ever went elk cunning in a fog nack was not because I heard of a fog nack. Nobody heard of a fogna el before before I never knew nothing about it. I randomly applied for it because I figured if I drew a tag there, then I would spend my time figuring it out. So I do that in a lot of states. Room. You showed me that in the last year. I just want to just generally know what's going on and apply for all apply for like, pick a random unit in someplace that's easy to draw, apply for it. You're like, Okay, don't worry about is it a good hunt? Is it? This? Is it that? It doesn't matter. Once you have that spot, now you've focused your energy. Like That's the nice thing about having a unit you apply for is it forces you, It gives it narrows down nine western states into one region, and from that region, now you can do your research and hunt that region. Don't don't get so caught up in the detail of where am I going to go? What's the best place to go this that thing. Just pick a random place and focus on it. You will find a good hunt everywhere you go. People. There's areas where people say there's no animals there, this area sucks. You can have a good hunt one one, just need one, don't need a hundred of them. Yeah, it doesn't matter. Yeah, just go pick a spot and and start. Just do it. That's probably the best advice I've heard on it. This is like, just do it. Just sorry, just get just get it, because it just depends on what you want out of it too, you know. I mean, if if you're if you are a truly just a trophy mindset, which we we we all probably have friends that have that mindset, then really just the limited draws, that's your strategy, and you're you've made it harder for yourself phone, which just fine, limited, what's fuew Honestly, it's right or wrong, or it's whatever you want to do, put in the bounds along. But if you just want to hunt every year and just rack up experience to increase your odds so that when you do finally merge into that trophy game, that you're gonna actually be able to do it, you know. So I'm speaking probably more of the younger crowd that wants to kill big deer and big elk right off the bat. But you know, maybe maybe your skill levels not quite there, maybe your mentor you don't have the right mentors to take you in. What there's nothing wrong with just learning and hunting and experiencing hunting. Yeah, we've got a lot of you know, a lot of people that listen to this or like, I'm thirty years old and I'm just started hunting, and all I see on social media or wherever I'm taking in media is dudes killing big bulls and big bucks out west. How do I get that? I'm like, well, thirty years of experience. May the people you're watching have put in the experience. You're just not watching the experience. You're just watching the result and success a lot of times. So it's it's to slow it down and just go hunt, like you can just go and and do a little bit of exploration. I feel like you're already speeding it up if you're if you're starting with elk like you, if you if you've never hunted the West, there's just so like, go on some turkeys in the spring, Go go spot stalk a black bear. Like there's there's things that you can do that aren't as I would say intensive as elk hunting. You know that you get to learn the country and learn the places. You also have to be realistic of where you're hunting. I think you get I think a lot of people just see all these elk pictures. They're like, oh, yeah, it's these giant six by six. Is do you shoot a six by six in a general area? You're for the day or the week, depending on where you're at. So you have to be realistic when I'm in like, I love mule deer hunting. I love mule deer hunting. I love hunting big mule deer, mature box, you know, good scoring box. That's my thing. But if I'm in an area that doesn't have those, then that's not what I'm looking for. You look at the best rep presentation of where you are, right and so you have to be realistic when I hunt elk in general area. I just looked to hunt illegal bull. When I have a special draw tag, I am extremely extremely picky on what I shoot, and the elk that I shoot on a limited draw tag is going to be a completely different representation of what hell cunting is than another area that I have just as much fun in just shooting a raghorn bull. Whenever drew that tag at the Western Hunting Expo, I felt like some I got lucky as hell to draw this. I feel some sort of you know, responsibility to everyone else that applied to go and do my work and set an expectation that's abubble where I would normally be. I'm from the East coast. If you take me to Utah and plot me in the woods man, I'm gonna hike up a mountain and see a three twenty bull and whack it like yeah, I got no problem with that. First day, last day, fifth day, fourth day, don't care. But when I had that tag in my pocket, I'm thinking, I gotta I gotta switch something else on here again. I gotta leave my East Coast behind because because I owe it to you know, all the people that wishes whish they drew this tag like I did. Yeah, but your barrier of entry was really not a lot different than and over the counter tag, you know, so theoretically it could have been just like an exploratory over the counter hunt in Idaho, you know, for that matter. So as long as you got the hunked out of it that you wanted and the experience that you wanted, that's good. And that's that's the biggest things. I think Guys just kind of have to look at this as is hunting going to be a part of my life? You know? Is it gonna be something that I want to do for the long term and to bring my kids up in and my family or my friends, or is it just something that I want. I just want recognition for killing the biggest stuff out that scrap perspective right there, man, Like that's yeah, what are you what are you trying to get? And it's like, I mean, do you want to do it for your whole life and then enjoy it? Don't put distressing yourself on it that you're not gonna you're only gonna kill one animal every three or four or five or six years, because you're only gonna draw that that special tag that often. You know. Yeah, man, just there's so many like and there's so many options if you if we continue to go down like just specifically in the West, there's so many I've I've I had a outfitted elkhun and Evanston, Wyoming with my dad a couple of years ago, and we just were like, men, let's just grab a leftover Anaalo tag and Wyoming because we're gonna be driving through there. Let's just grab a leftover tag and we'll tackle on two or three extra days in our hunts so if we can get it done. We grabbed uh two leftover tags right near Lusk, Wyoming, which is up in the middle of nowhere, and all us on the South Dakota border and um eastern central Wyoming. No research. We had a couple of maps, went out there with a garment, GPS and a map, drive to the first piece of state ground and a unit where they said they were almost no antelope and we had almost we had like a ninety six percent chance of failure and shot two bucks on the first piece of mile long state ground that we came to. Was that luck fux, Yes it was, but but we just we just did it, and we didn't. We had no expectations other than we'll see some cool country. We gotta be there anyway, Let's see if we can get it into know if you're going into a trophy area and then it's like, oh, a lot of pressure. That's a big buck. But is that the biggest buck? You know? What am I gonna get out of it? Yeah? Yeah? And then in the case where you're just like flipping the coin to see if they're even be an antelope anywhere around where you're gonna be. Um, that's how it is. And then we we spent a couple other days just riding around that unit looking for for antalope, just checking it out, and didn't see. Maybe we've probably saw fifty antelope in two days out other than the two that we shot. So you know, the chances were we weren't gonna get bucks, but we did. So it's cool and take the chance man, that experience for my dad and I'll be when we remember forever. We talked about it all the time. So it's worth rolling than dice. Sometimes it's the long game, you know. It's something that you can do God willing forever, you know, as long as our rights don't get taken away. So why why are we in such a rush? You know? And I don't I'm guilty of it too, but it's like why do I want so much so fast? You know? Um? I think we just need to slow down and just realize this is this is part of our culture and our heritage and our lifestyle. And that's what I'm gonna do with my life is just hunt and gather and and enjoy it. You know. Yeah, you know it's a that it becomes a craft, right, becomes the craft instead of something that you just do to get to get the result of the adulation or whatever it is that you're after. Yeah. A friend of mine that I just met here with his boys there that I introduced Remy to, he was he brought up my my younger brother, boyd, you know, and he's like, it's so cool how your brother is more than just a hunter. You know. He's out there trapping beavers and I saw that his daughter made a knife sheath out of the beaver tail that they had trapped. And then he's out there making arrows and doing us and he's like, your brother, it's really his life, isn't it. It's his lifestyle. Like man, he's been like that since he was twelve. You know. There's more to it than just just going out on a hunt. There's all these little nuances that are that are related to hunting, and then the nuances that are related to the nuances that just create this overall general lifestyle that is that I think is pretty dangn cool. Yeah so do. I mean that's it's making those like it's for people that watch and listen, and making those things cool was important. Like making those things just as trendy is going out and killing a big bull like that. Those things are those things are key because it's it's those little things that you come to you come to appreciate, like pickling the gizzard off. You know, if a fucking duck or something, it's like just as cool as pick pickled duck is. Do you like that or anymore? I've never had a pickled duck gizzard? It sounds good, though. I had one of Ronella's house the other day. It's pretty good. It's pretty good. Or maybe it was a Goose gives or one of the one of the two. I just like them in butter and onions. Yeah. Well, um, I'm you're gonna you guys have to bear with me. I'm testing out some segments, right. I don't normally we just talking bullshit like we're you know, like we're doing now. But I'm testing out segments to see if people want to hear like actual uh directed conversation or they just want to hear bullshit. UM. So the first segment that I'm working on, it's called first Timers. And you gotta you guys, gotta tell me. We're gonna start with your first car. Just describe your first vehicle, who gave it to you, and h the experience from me. Take it away. You're in if you paint the picture. If you knew me. When I got my first car, it was called the Rambo truck. It was a lifted nineteen five single cab dodge ram with uh. It was painted bass, was a matt Tan and I did my own desert camo on it, right as you would Rambo. And it was lifted. I think I had I had five on it, um and and no, no sissy step you know what I'm saying. If you didn't have a mullet and a cowboy hat, this start right. And I had a toolbox in the back that um that I could lock and put my bow in or whatever, um guns, whatever. And then I got a caravan key Emperor shell for it, but I'd already cammed it, so I did. Then I painted the whole thing um like green, and then had the caravan camper on it. So it was like like like an olive green like slick looking and not matt it was. It was a more shiny finish, had a little bit of sheen to it, and that truck was just an off road east You got it when you're sixteen. When I was seventeen, because I wait, oh well that was a thing. I had the option of driving when I was sixteen or getting uh Winchester three hund short mags. So I used my money to Chester in a short mag because I was like, I can continue to borrow vehicles, but I can't borrow Winchester three w s M which had just come out, and I wanted that gun went browning able stainless Stalker three WSM for the price of a year. That Now, when you're taking ladies on dates during those years, you would how would you get them up in the truck? Would you have to it was like a jump thing. Would you have to tell them to jump? Or like would you put your hand down when they step in your hand to get up in there? Push them by their butt? Yeah, push them in there? But yeah, yeah, it just it just depends. Like I'd drive up to a hill or like um, you know, and then actually women actually had to give my neighbor I would give her rights to uh school as well, and like at one point you just like screw it and just like kept a step ladder on the back like a step but yeah, right about how long did you keep the Rambow truck? Um? I had that until I was probably twenty something because well, when the gas prices started going up, it just got when gas was under a dollar accounton, it was super easy to like it didn't really matter. Were around the same age when I got my when I got my license, like eighty five cents again, so and then it jacked up to about two bucks and you get like six miles to the gallon and can't fit anybody else in it. So then I got um uh, I got a what are they like from one of those police auctions where they like repo stolen whatever. I got a like a Forward Ranger at one of those for fourteen hundred bucks, and it was like pretty new. It was pretty solid deal. I had a Ford Ranger that was my second, a Ford Ranger Edge like two thousand two maybe, Like, did you have the step side? I did have the step side because red that wasn't red. I was black. Mine was red, not because I wanted red, but that's that's what I got. Yeah, you're a flash type of guy. Red step side and it was low like I went from I could have drove over this forward Ranger in my other truck, but it was it was an offer Red Beast too, like they were pretty good. I wanted a little bit smaller vehicle to navigate the hills, a little bit rangers. Man, they'll kick out, kick ass off for dude, right, Tim, What what about you? So mine? I don't know what year. It was, like a nineteen eighty or eighty two Toyo to pick up the small ones whatever they were called way back then. It was it actually, I think used to be my grandfather's truck, and then my parents ended up with the truck at some point, but it was broken down in the backyard. The muffler was off, there was no hood on the thing, and um my dad said, if you can get that truck running, then you can drive that to school, And so me and my brothers went out. We ended up getting this truck running, but it didn't have a hood, so I would drive it to school with no muffler on it. It was the loudest thing that you could ever imagine. Yeah, it's like, oh, here comes the Burnetts in the in the Toyota. So in shop class, UM, I got this idea that I wanted to build some bumpers for it. So Mr Roach he found me some like nine inch round steel that I made these bumpers, and I remember the rear bumper weighed like three hundred and sixty pounds or something. The front bumper was just this giant, you know, bar of steel, and I just welded it to the brackets. Um. And I had that truck for about two months. My brothers and I were out bahing in the backfield and the battery bounced out or something landed on the boat or just zapped and just blew up the entire thing. And so that truck was pretty short lived. Under my rerange. You didn't you didn't put the batter well, you know, I had the hood that I was messing with in shop class, and I didn't know how to get the dance out of it, so I just filled it with putty and so it was just all cracked and broken, and so pretty much of the time we just left the hood off, so it's pretty pretty red neck ish. What year was that then? Yea, like a you have like did you have a mullet? Were you full redneck? Or look at I was the butch kid because we grow growing up on the farm. Mom cut our hair or grandma cut our hair, and there was enough of us boys that it had to be an event that didn't happen very often. So they shaved us all the way down like they would have sheep, and we were We would wear that for you know, a month or two and then we'd get shaved again. You know. So this shavy like a shape that was my hair do until I think junior high. I finally wore a spike hair do because one of my buddies had a flat top. I wanted a flat top, but mom couldn't figure out how to you know, you butcher it. So it's just it was like a round, spiky flat top. Remy, I gotta hear about your what's your like high school attire memories like what's your what's your signature? Look? You have to have like oh man, we'll signature look. I don't know. I was jeans and anything that didn't have the sogo on it. Yeah, I was really weird about I didn't want to be I couldn't fit into any logo. So I was like, I'm look, I'm not a Nike. Yeah, you know, maybe I would. I don't know, maybe I have like a I think I wore vests. I now I won't even put a vest on. You're kind of a vest guy. But I got to pick vest thing I didn't. I didn't. I I wore the vest a lot, you know, and then I just I can't invest it up anymore. My sister in law is in like high fashion, and she told me third piece, third piece, which means like it's a scarf like Scott, so you can maybe start wearing an ascot the third pieces like a It's a very big deal in the fashion world. So I thought, I'll just wear a vest, my third pieces the hat. And I woren a hat every day since I was eight years old. Isn't that weird? Pretty much? I don't know if I've ever not, Like, you don't even recognize a podcast to turn someone to take your hat off, and I was like, I just don't. But I've had it's a weird thing to think, like I've had a beard since I was eighteen. And I started shaving when I was twelve. And then I've had a like my parents wouldn't let me have, but it wasn't it was kind of whispy, you know when you're thirteen four team and then and then yeah and then a hat. You know. I would take it off for school, but as soon as I back in Little Rambo came on, Yeah, I would park. I would park off the I wouldn't park at school because I would never have a truck that didn't have a gun in it. Like I always thought that was sacrilegious, like to have a to have a truck that does And I had the gun rack in the back, but I didn't put gun and unless I was once I was booty bash and then it was guns and back, you know. But I think I thought it was like sacrilegious to have like a good truck that didn't have a gun. I don't think that was an issue at our school. I don't ever remember. I mean we had gun racks in the truck and everything. Definitely an issue in my school was because I was I feel like I was coming up like coming of Asian High School right around the Columbine thing. So I was with the happy recipient of all the restrictions of all the ship they were trying to do after Columbine. And so there was like we couldn't wear jackets in the hallways when I was, you couldn't wear like a long jacket or a jacket. You had to get you had to get a pass to go to the bathroom. It's like I couldn't have a gun anywhere near school, let alone in your truck. See, my elementary school was at the time out it's outside of Reno, and it was a lot small now towns like moved out to that area. But where I went to elementary school on I think it was it was probably I don't know what grade you ten, about fourth or fifth grade or whatever. For show and tell, I brought my single shot four ten and the principles. The only thing was don't bring it loaded, like my dad had to be. Like my dad came in and like dropped it. He's like, you can't keep it here, but you can bring it in for that and just couldn't be loaded, you know. And I went over the check. Yeah, we checked it, and I did the show and tell and told the class like never pointed anything you don't intend to kill, like you know, first hunting experience two years earlier with the fourth single shot four ten, Like this isn't that funny? Like, well, you could never do that today When we were kids, we talked about it on another podcast I did, but they used to at a certain period of time in the fifth grade I think or ex grade, it was like, well, now it's on our safety time, you know, this week and so within in the school as you go and you do hunter safety, driver's education was the same way. It's like it's time, everybody's gonna go do it. Well, yeah, I mean in Pennsylvania and Maryland, like like they you get off for opening day right season, you got off school. You're off school like the day before I think, and the day at like the Friday and the Monday maybe something like that. I can't remember. That was spud harvest for us. Now you're now you're being Idaho and you know, but yeah, I mean we we get off school for opening day, like open day hunting season. You got off school. You like that is you cannot imagine that right now. And I'm not talking I'm thirty three, I'm not talking like a long long time ago. It's not that long ago, but things so fast and so you know, it's just weird. And there's still are places like where Kim grew up. They probably haven't changed too much. No, they've changed it now. They go to school four days a week instead of five. They don't do hunter safety in school anymore. Um, they don't do driver's ed in school anymore. But I think they still let you out for spud harvest. You gotta keep that traditional. Must be hard. But the school, I think the school is probably the same size. There's been no growth, it's just different people, you know, the ones that stayed alive. Well, my next the next part of this was first rifle. But we so we already know Remy's first rifle. No, that wasn't my first. That was your first rifle. Give us first rifle. The first rifle I ever received was a youth model Remington's seven two three topped with a Burris three to nine. Um, no, not Burris Bush now. And you know I give bush Noll a lot of ship. That's that scope privately given just when you're out there just whatever. But yeah, that was that was a good scope. I still have that that set up that rifle set up that way, I was gonna swap it out, maybe put a new new stock on it and short barrel. It's got the open sites but scope over the top. Yeah, yeah, it is good and I should do that anymore. Any any companies advertised the the open sites and the scope out of the top, the open rings, Yes, Socco does they still. Yeah, they've got well they're bigger boar rifles, but you can order them because of the European running games situation. Yeah, but I'll tell you what, man, you can shoot really accurate with some open sites. I'm thinking about just going open sights on some rife from open sites. How much more fun is it with a rifle to stock in? You know? The long range thing I've I've done. I mean I was in that crowd that was like pioneering and long range let me tell you. But once you've done it, now you're kind of thinking. And I remember when I just used to hunt with open sites, and I also had about the same time I had an open site, so it was kind of I would whap on my first deer hunt, taking the open site thirty thirty and the scope to forty three depending on the type. Of terrain that I was going because if I was in the tall stage, we're busting up bucks, We're going, we're swinging level. Yeah. I started hunt with a hawking uh fifty cow freaking passion roundball, spitting on the patch, dump the powder, put the roundball in with a little starter, you know. That's how I started runs. It was open sites for quite a while until I got my first rifle with a scope rifle at least um, So that's how it started for me. What about you, Tim? Was I used Dad's had a Winchester thirty thirty lever action, but I used on my first two deer actually um and then he had also a two twenty three over under hinge action twenty gauge, I believe, UM. And I killed a couple of deer with that when I was Stevens or I want to say Thompson, but I don't really know for sure. Um, and it had another had one of those you know bronze the burrist hopes on it or whatever it was. So I kind of went back and forth between those. And then when I was a senior in high school, I bought a gun from the neighbor down the street from bart Wanstrom. It was a thirty. It was a thirty excuse me, a thirty at six pump. Remington's no scope and he sent me a ten shot clip with it. So, um, I remember the first time I thought, I'm gonna go out and just run through this clip as fast as I can with this pump action thirty at six, And that didn't feel very good. Dad is here? He just walked. I had another set of headphones. Podcast guest. That's the guy. He's got. He's got some wild stories. He doesn't say right now, they're sure we're telling the truth. He's going to tell stories that Remy doesn't even remember. I'm sure. Well, let's see, the Rambo truck was originally his truck. He he that was our hunting truck, and then that got passed down. So it's a long line of loving like Rambo big trucks. I named it. You have to you have to name a truck. But okay, is this here's here's a question. What was the name of your first truck or the names of your vehicles? And can you name a new vehicle. It's hard to name a new vehicle. But if you want to have a personal relationship with the vehicle. You kind of have to give it a name. I name my guns too. I name my guns I have only but like a gun to get a name for me has to have like a lifetime of female or male name. Yeah, so my I only have one gun that I actually that has a name. But I could name my shotgun, but I just haven't. What's the gun that has a name? Canna? Yes? Sorry, um, but Hannah, I mean, Hannah is just a bad bitch. Hannah shot it, yeah, because I mean I use it hunting for myself, and then I also used as my guide gun, like giving to other people, and I've taken it all over the world. I mean that gun shoots great. Still, like I haven't shot the barrel out for somehow, and I don't even know that that gun just you just point what you wanted to knock over and it's like a clean kill every time. I think I killed my stag in my target. Yeah. Sweet, very few of my friends have not rude here. Well, sorry, honey, Um, you gotta named guns to I don't name him. I named my kids. Yeah, And I did name the Solorado that was you know, I had that truck for fifteen years. I named the Solorado, but she since gone away. So my first, my first vehicle. Listeners will of course know this. My first vehicle was a called a Summit Eagle, but it was like a car van. It was like a little sound van. It was a bit it was a bit rape. It was like periwinkle blue, and it had like it looked like if you cut it in half, you'd have like a sedan on one half and the back half was like a van. So we just called it the car van. And I mean you could fall the seats down, you do a lot of stuff with this thing. Your hearsed. For some reason, it was it was like a hearse Oh yeah, yeah, I have to I have to google it show he goes. It looks like it's very impressive vehicle. But but I I drove that for a man, probably two or three years. Of course, I hadhered that from my brother who inhered it from my grandfather. So it wasn't it had a bit of a reputation, didn't have a name, It didn't really the car van. It was a Summit Eagle. That was very I'm not embarrassed by it, but it could have been better. It could it could have done better. So no other vehicle names, just no new names, not like any No. I thought about name of my new truck, but I just didn't feel it. I just didn't feel right. I didn't feel like it had any history to it. Later on, if I give it to my kids, Yeah, maybe I'll give it to my kid in fifteen years and he'll he'll name it something. We had the Rambo truck, the Scorpion, which was a nineteen eighty land Cruiser. It was Scorpion because we had a gambrel game hoist on the back. I mean that thing was tricked out for off road. Then the Beasts, which was an F two fifty in the style of Rambo truck. Your dad like you, Yeah, my dad just build. He built, like that's his hobby, is just making off road vehicles. Has lifted his truck yet, No, because he that's because he's got his Like he just like gets project cars, I guess, and like makes him into something cool and gets rid of him. And then again and again, like the stories that I like, I've heard about your mom and her game spotting abilities and then now your dad, Like I feel like you had like the most badass parents. Yeah, like these are this is a top shelf experience of experience. Yet you've done You've done well? Yeah, done well? Um. I think that's it for the first things. I think that, uh, that covers pretty much like that. You think that should be like a regular recurring situation. If you got a guess like Rammy, you know, they really could tell goods stories. We got a good storyteller, I wouldn't done. People don't wanted to hear my first every fucking every episode, I gotta say the same thing and we'll see how that goes. The other one I just think about is um like hacks hunting, hacks, like ship that you do that no one knows that that you've just developed over the years. I'm sure both you guys, being solo hunters and run around by yourself, have developed things that like there, you had a problem and you solved it, and you solved it in a way that is repeatable for other folks. Something in your pack, something in your truck, some kind of trick of your trade that that you'd be willing to share with the audience. I feel like I have a lot of them. But just to think of, just think of one year on the spot. Okay, um, well, this is. I mean, it depends like if I'm filming, like I've got a million different hacks for hunting and filming. Yeah, give us the I mean, yeah, that's perfect because you know what this is, the hunting and filming yourself. I'll tell you this is just a hunting hack that if you don't do this, you're an idiot. Here, here's here's it's more of a rule, like a bow hunting rule. And I think a lot of people have this rule, but there's some that don't. And I've been on hunts with people don't have this rule and spit them in the ask. When you're bow hunting, your release is either on your bow or on your wrist. There is no other place that release goes. It doesn't go in your pocket, doesn't go in the seat of the truck, it doesn't when you go the bathroom. It doesn't get put anywhere else. Because I know, there's nothing worse than hiking in four miles somewhere, especially when you're guiding and you go, oh, there's a bowl bugling down there and the guy goes, I don't know where my releases that it's just it's a pet with like a thumb release or like a lot of these, you know, the ones that Dudley's putting out there, Carter puts out there. Um, you have to kind of you know, when I leave the house to go to work, I go to ease while it phone. Like when I when I any time I take any break in hunting, I'm usually going like release. I would total paper, would put a parachord on that and strap it to my something. Yeah, I don't know that's actually put it around your wrist. I don't know, but there's some releases out there that aren't attached. Yeah, and that's to your wrist anymore, then you're going to have an uphill battle for the rest of your life. Risk of release. I've used for the last since I started hunting a Scott mongoose. I guess it's probably I think twelve years old. Maybe that's that's maybe that's a suggested hack for listeners, like, yeah, figuring it out. Yeah, I mean, now, okay, create a system. And I also when I'm in the hills, I have a system so my like you keep things in the same pockets so when I get up, I can do a quick pat and I know if I have everything or if I set my phone down, or you get in the habit of doing the hack hack Pat Black, Pat be paranoid about the stuff that's in your pockets, like I gotta have my I'm always like I gotta have my where's my garment? Where's my always paranoid, paranoid paranoise. Once you change it, that's when things go so especially if you're running on X nowadays and your phone is like your lifeline in a lot of ways exactly. You know, get one of those d clips or something, clip it to something, make sure you have it where you can't fall out. Um, because we were hunting in one I I had the I was I was running the FHS bino harness, and the freaking thing broke and my yeah a long time for this prototype loophole binness fell right out of my right out of my biny harness and into the dirt and then gone forever. Probably some local picks them up seusing them now. But they were good. I like those things. Yeah, that happens. Tim, you got a particular hack that you'd like to prescribe, I don't along those lines. I keep I try to keep everything in the same pocket all the time, you know, Or the same if I change packs, it's always in the same general. Yeah, case into the filming conversation, because you guys do it so much, you do it on your own. Yeah, I get asked that a lot, and I think because we do it so often that I don't really think about what I do that's different than what anybody else might do. It's more just repetitive nature and doing the exact same thing for so long. I'm just kind of having a system of of where everything goes. You know. The cameras always set up, regardless of if it's in my pack or on the tripod. It's it's all we set up where it needs to be. So I don't know, it's it's hard to say. It's it's more just repeat, repeat, repeat, um getting comfortable with it. If something changes and that's what that's where in your mind goes and you start screwing up. So have you developed over the years with types of cameras are using or what the types of tripods are using to film yourself? Yeah, I think the biggest transition was when we kind of moved from using just a handicam to a DSLR or I did I did earlier than Rammy I think you're still using that handicam a little bit, aren't you know? I went DSLR before, or you went DSLR, but then I went to hand I reversed because I didn't have Yeah, so I went handicam when I got that new Yeah, long story, but yeah handicam. So you run a DSLR now, yeah, Well I run every I carry four cameras and I've got six hands. To frustrate the editor because he'll use four different cameras and then just give me a hard drive and say you should you should be able to figure out the order of everything. It's cool. My system is when I'm stalking on something, I set the tripod up ahead of time. That's that's the hard part. Set and have the camera running. I like it, And don't let your release clink on the tripod. Yeah, I always hold my release in my hand with the tripod and these two fingers release. It's hard. I'll bet there's a lot of little things that we do that if we thought about it, if other people might not think about it. But because we've done it so much, it's what I should start doing. Is like I filmed the stock while I'm stalking, so I set the camera up, I crawled forward. I crawled back. Most of the time when I get in on a deer, I've stalked it three times. What I should do is just b s it and stalk it after the but you never do it. You'll never go back and do it, so you have to do it when you do it. Otherwise, what what you do different is like because I edit your footage and he's not lying, like that's exactly how it is. He'll do a stock two or three different times, and um, I can't do that. I just have to turn on a camera somewhere so that there's a camera running somewhere while I'm moving and if it's just filming the dirt or my feet or my head or whatever, like I'm always filming as I'm moving in. But I don't. I don't have the cohonas to to sneak in and sneak back out. And then I was like, man, nobody knows that it's thirty yards, but I just do it just because that's how I am. I'm like, but we've been talking about that a lot on this This is your program about how like honey is just the one thing if you're talking about sports. Somebody's watching you bullshit that if it's it's if the pluck goes in the gold pluck goes in the goal and hunting. You certainly like you're creating the narrative. I want to release sometime, which I probably should, um like just the raw footage in its in its original time code, so someone could look at and say, who they didn't they didn't futch that you know that was recorded before the kill happened, you know. And and there's times too when I'm editing that I put it together and then I feel like it needs something, and so I'll look to a piece that might be three days after or three days before and pull that piece in to kind of make it flow a little bit better just from a cinematic standpoint, But well, how do you tell a two weeks story in twenty two minutes? Makes sense? You have to pull from other things, but you know, you have to get all that stuff while you're yeah, because one stock, you know, you might be able to only show one of the twenty three stocks, but you need you need pieces that show that one stock, and it might be three spots stocks combined when you're editing, but they were all one to stop something usually but sometimes usually not Usually it's all depends how like aggressive I mean filming. I think our philosophy all along has been, um, we're not out there to create a film, or we're not out there to create a hunt. We're out there to document and experience your document a hunt. And so I think all along we've always put the episodes together in the order that it happened and as it happened, regardless. You know, So the first stock that Remy blew, it might have been the best footage, you know, where he sets up the tripod and the deer's on the other ridge and he sneaks up and pops up in frame. You know, that might be the best footage. And then the kill shot might have been nothing. You know, it might not have been any filler foot But that's just the way it is. We use the cool stuff when it happened, and the reality of the kill as it happens. Well, that might be a good way to close this one out so we can get back to winning. She hunts best solo Hunter story, like best you know, maybe not best episode, but the best store you have from your time filming yourself out outside. I'm sure, that's a laundry list of of things that you've done. But is there is there one tim that stands out that it just was just want one that kid mishap something crazy. Um So this year, I mean, I don't know. This year, I went went to Kodyak with a buddy of mine and we we camped together and we'd split off and hunt throughout the day. And as we left camp that morning, we wanted to go after some caribou. And once we got up to the this ridge and glass to where these caribou were, reindeer actually on on Kodiak. He's like, Uh, no way in hell I'm going that far, you know, to do. And I and I was in at that point. I was like, this first day, I want to go get one of those reindeer. I don't care. I can pack it out all day tomorrow. That's what with me. So we split up and I went out and went and did that, and the herd kept moving further and further away, and I end up anyway, I work in and I kill this reindeer and I back like I'm five miles from camp, you know, And I when when you're on that part of the island, it's really mus geggie and marshy and just really crappy to walk through. I acrossed a ditch that's, you know, chest deep, and I had to get the caribee back. I didn't want to have to do that twice, so I deboned everything, put it all on the pack, and just took it out in one trip. And the first it was like three yards to get to this creek and I got to there just fine, and then I actually got buried in the grass because I couldn't find my word the crossing because it's it's like if you can picture, it's like a canal bank where there's there's no there's no easy slope into it. It's just a drop off, deep water drop off back up. So I found this one one spot and I on the way back I couldn't find it. So I had to take off my pack unload everything until I found that, and then I had to ferry that across. Well, it took me like three hours just to get everything across the creek, and by then it's getting dark. Um, but there was no way I was gonna go back there. So that I think was just a really strenuous pack out that I was just laughing at myself the entire time, like what what are you doing? Just call Austin and have him come to help you, you know. But it was kind of just this this and like screw that, I gotta do this, and um we both actually walked into camp about midnight. He had a load of a blacktail and I had a load of caribou, and it was just that was like super super memorable. You know, that's that's most recent. There's a lot of them over the years. But I have holes in my brain. Cheese cheesy brain. I can't remember any cheese. I can't remember. No. I mean I think it. How has it changed you to do, you know, spend that much time by yourself out there film and I mean, you know, I I would would admit to openly admit to being like, uh, being around people is as much what the hunting thing is for me as anything, So openly admit to me like I like hunting by myself. But I also you know, there's a lot of times where I'd love the big camps and big vibes, So like, how is that? How is it doing it this way kind of change your perspective? I think my preferences is to be with other people. You know. I like hunting alone for sure, but I love spending camp with people. But it's not you know, it's not the way that the things happen. It's not the way this the show went. And and um, the thing that I really enjoy about the solo part of it is it's really taught me some mental fortitude, you know. And I think it's it's made me um think about things differently, and it's it's kind of made me more stubborn in a lot of ways because now I look at every aspect of my life and I feel like I can do it on my own, you know. And and it's almost to a fault where you don't ask for help or you don't you don't accept help when it's offered. It's like, screw that, can I can do that, no problem. And part of that is really solid and good. In other parts of it is like maybe you need some help every once in a while. But I think for me, I like that part because when I do accomplish something like that, there is no other euphoric feeling in the world. When you walk into camp at midnight and you just hauled out a caribou, and you did it on your own. And whether it's an elk or you know, whatever it is, when you accomplish some thing on your own, that's on you. That's there's nobody else that can take take credit for that, you know, And so that's that is extremely fulfilling, extremely well. And then you get to share it with a bunch of people. Yeah, if you if you if you do it right, if you're filming it, if you do it right, is that a part of it for you too? That they always interests me, like the motivations once you film for a long time, kind of what you've been a content creator for a long time, Like how that how that like shifts your hunting motivations, whether it does or not, not saying that it does, but without a doubt. If if I'm not filming an event, um, I don't get as much out of it, just just and I've done it, you know, Like the biggest bowl I've killed bull elk I've killed. I didn't film it because I wanted to just go kill a big bull elk. And even though I got an awesome bowl, it felt unsatisfying because I really it would have really been an easy situation to film it, you know. Um So for me, undoubtedly I love the filming aspect of it. I love bringing it home and creating something that I feel is a value with that. I love sharing it. I love getting the feedback. You know. I like praise of of when something goes good, and and honestly I like negativity when it comes of, hey, maybe you could have done this different. Because you know, Remy and I had this conversation at lunch the other day. I continually want, like, I genuinely want to be better. I don't. I feel almost insecure at times because I want to be better at what I do, and when i'm if I'm not filming it, I have no form of reference to look back and say I can be better. You know, I can hunt better, I can film better, I can produce better. Now, I think it's it's it's for you too, Remy. I mean, I think it just once you've put content out there consistently and that's how you hunt, that's what you do. There's I feel like, there's just no there's no other way than to have it change you a little bit, to change your motivations, intrinsic extrinsic, whatever, you know, to to change the way that you see these types of things. You have thoughts on that, right, Yeah, No, I mean it definitely changes the way you look at things, especially because like bow hunting or whatever, it's hard to enough endeavor as it is. Then you add the filming aspect and the spot and stock and and it makes it so much more difficult. But now, like on some hunts, I've just been like, I'm not going to film and I realized, wow, I am a much better hunter than I was because you have to pay attention to so much when you're filming. It's almost like it's too easy. When I'm not filming, it's a marathon with a weight vest on and then this handicap and you're like, I don't even know if I'm into this. As much as the filming adds such a challenge that it becomes more of like, okay, it's it's almost like going from bow hunting to traditional hunting or something like. It's it's that added challenge that you're like, Okay, I kind of crave this added challenge and it kind of lets you know, man, what like how much you've learned along the way, and by doing a task that's hard even and making it harder on yourself. And the other thing is just the self control thing of when I go on a hunt and I'm have the intent of filming it. If I don't have that intent of filming it and commit to it, I won't do it. So I have to say, no, matter what happens, I'm filming. And there's been hunts where the best, one of the best, dear in my life, I had to let go within bow range because I couldn't get the camera set up, and that is like, I still kick myself over that, but I also stoked that I really committed to it. I in some in some levels now I may never draw that tag again, and that really makes me sad. But um and somebody else shot that deer and that made me sad. But it just happens, you know. Um, I would say my uh, most memorable close out the most memorable solo story. All right. So I've done a lot of stuff, you know, solo in New Zealand, and I'm like, okay, and I found this new spot and I'm gonna go tar hunt. I load up my pack, I'm gonna be gone for a while. I've got you know, when you're packing in for solo and filming. I've got two cameras, all their batteries, um recording, you know, audio stuff, batteries for that, batteries for this, battery, the whole the whole kit, plus my camping gear plus everything. My pack is extremely heavy. There's nothing it's and then you gotta think, Okay, I'm gonna be packing something out. It's gonna be even heavier, and I'm gonna probably do it in one trip because I just it's just a pain in me. Yes. So I find the spot. It's about a six mile arduous hike, and I'm like, okay, I'm just gonna film because the stuff is in my pack. I was like, I'm just gonna film once I get, you know, six miles back, because just put your head down and grind sometimes you know, there will be plenty opportunity to film. So I get back there and it was a it was a gnarly hike. I'm back up on the mountaintop. I set up my camp and I did some filming and then I'm sitting there and I spot this bowl tar and I'm like, perfect, right, So I stashed some stuff in my tent and uh, and I go and I turned the camera around to film the tar, and I look and at splashing no memory and I'm like, oh, my card must be full. I didn't have a memory card in the camera. So I digged through my entire pack. No memory cards anywhere, none of no. I just was hitting record because I couldn't see the screen when I was sitting up camp and I had hiked all the way in there no memory cards with all my equipment, and I'm like, screw it. I just left everything the tent, went up, shot the tar, packed it out, loaded up my pack, and that was my punishment of just trudging back. I got some cellphone footage of it. I was like, yeah, I all the way up here just like and I literally was like, I'm gonna film this really well, and I'm just gonna commit. I think I had. I mean, I had all my big lenses. It was one of the heaviest packags I've ever had, and one of the heavy My pack was probably eighty pounds going in, Like I literally have like a long lens like this that lens, I don't even know what that thing. And I had think three lenses to cameras. I'm like I'm gonna go in and just do something I haven't done before. It's just like, not think go light. I'm gonna go on a backcountry hunt and and honestly just kill it this time. Just get footage. Nobody's got of these things like this sigma lens. And and then I had my spotting scope. I had all my ship. It was the heaviest. It was like packing an animal out in and then I shot an animal and backed out. It was that. That was a funny adventure that no one will share it. That reminds me of the time that we recorded a podcast with memory card. Of memory card that brings it right back home, back one of the first podcast ever about it was probably like a year ago. It was. It was a year ago next week, the year going next week, I mean, and I recorded probably the best outdoor podcast ever to be recorded. No one will ever lost files. I listened to the B file, I missed the A files. That's it. Well, boys, let's go win some cheap ons. You're down for that. Thanks for coming on, Thanks appreciate it. So that's it. That's all. Episode number forty eight in the books. Remy and Tim, thank you for joining me here. At the Yettie booth, all these wonderful products yetie products. They're happy, you know, since I'm a former employee. I mean I think they're happy to have me around. Or maybe I'm just a murder who really knows um, But you guys know, Yettie they're great. Uh and Tim's great, Remy's great. What a good conversation. Appreciate those boys sitting in. Appreciate them tolerating my my discovery on segments of what works and what doesn't here on the podcasts are always trying to make things better. I know. If you learn a little bit about Western tags, a little bit about the life and times of these two interesting men, and you can follow them on Instagram. You can check out Solo Hunter. You can check out all Remy's work and all Tim's work all over the place in our industry and world. What else? What else? As always well, right now, we just did the first ever uh well not the first ever, brother first for this tour for the Mediator Podcast Live. We're gonna be tinuing to go to towns near you. 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