00:00:00 Speaker 1: I'm Tyler, I'm Michael, and you're listening to podcasts. 00:00:15 Speaker 2: Hello everyone, and welcome to. 00:00:19 Speaker 1: That's all right, We're good, No got you? I got you? Okay, Thanks, Hello everybody. 00:00:28 Speaker 3: Welcome to the Yell one podcast where we just laugh for a living. I'm your host, Casey Smith. 00:00:33 Speaker 1: This has brought you the first like gear and Tyler Jones is here okay, as. 00:00:38 Speaker 4: Well as uh Michael still gall and uh Gregnant Greg Latham. 00:00:45 Speaker 1: A bunch of killers in the room right now. You're in the wrong input. That's why I got I got nowhere. You're good. Oh that's gonna be Greg took the number three. 00:00:59 Speaker 5: You and for moving on up. 00:01:04 Speaker 1: Let's go. Yeah, we'll see Greg the creek, Greg the creek. 00:01:12 Speaker 3: Well, we thought about just doing a college football discussion. 00:01:16 Speaker 1: Yeah we should do that. We still just mi. But who's gonna be number one preseason? 00:01:22 Speaker 3: Uh Casey Smith. So we're to be Georgia. 00:01:27 Speaker 1: I'm loving Georgia. Obviously. Don't think Alabama. I saw. I just saw when this thing is called stupid early projection where Alabama was was that pre or post Saban leaving? That's that's like today. That's I thought weird too for sure, but you know it's Alabama. Georgia. 00:01:46 Speaker 3: Yeah, Georgia, Yeah, for sure, preseason number one Harbor is not gonna be a Michigan let's go dang. 00:01:54 Speaker 1: Yeah, that that would be something, wouldn't For sure he's gonna go be a Seahawks coach. No, he's not. He's gonna go the Chargers. 00:02:02 Speaker 3: He is maybe George somewhere West coast. He's a West coast guy. Yeah, he definitely is a West Coast guy. Yeah, not the good one Georgia probably. Yeah, what about you, Greg? 00:02:12 Speaker 5: I have nothing to say college football. 00:02:15 Speaker 1: Hey dude, I thought you're a college golfer. Yeah, now we gotta turn and turn your back up there we go? Yeah, so the way too early pole, that's a mused number twenty five and that god man pony up speaking of. 00:02:32 Speaker 5: Yeah, what is it? 00:02:33 Speaker 4: What's It's a thumb, isn't it? No, that's the A and M one of this horse ears. 00:02:39 Speaker 1: That's a fraud. Don't ever do that? Pony up? Straight up? What's straight? Like? There's something over there? 00:02:52 Speaker 3: I feel like when a horse is like, it's maddest its ears are back, so it should be like this or something. 00:03:00 Speaker 1: I can't get him back looking at you. 00:03:06 Speaker 3: Yeah, lots of big shake ups in the coaching in the football world. 00:03:12 Speaker 1: No, they just have a nut. You say that the winister bucket of their pocket. Hold up, Yeah, that's what it is. He's got to do an age and I or no, this isn't okay, y'all have a sign? What's your eye? 00:03:30 Speaker 5: Do that again? 00:03:32 Speaker 1: He just stands there. That's not an eye, that's a triangle. No, because he was crazy. This does it? Purple Teletubby? Yeah, that's the one that had the triangle. I'm a green guy. I don't know. Did you know that? 00:03:50 Speaker 4: Uh, that film set with the Teletubby's filmed got to get in like too much publicity. 00:03:57 Speaker 3: So they built the berm all the way around the thing they were they're down inside of it. And then now like it has like gone back to nature. You can't even tell it's films anymore. I'll admit something. I never watched a single episode of Teletubby either. I just know who they are. 00:04:13 Speaker 1: I wish I could say the same. 00:04:14 Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like we're just a little too old for tell Tubby. No, I think it's where we grew up. Ohio, Just old, that's all it is. So that was during my generation. Let me look, I'm fact checking this, right, I like the college football talk better. 00:04:34 Speaker 4: Yeah, so saving left. Uh, Michael, what's the state of Ohio? 00:04:45 Speaker 1: States? 00:04:45 Speaker 3: Oh, we're all the way back, all the way National championship. Well he'll be in Chicago next year. But that'll be good for him States winning it at all. So that's all there is. I don't know about that. 00:04:58 Speaker 1: Uh. 00:04:59 Speaker 4: I saw Michael Pennix like as the third quarterback picking in the draft. I was surprised. 00:05:05 Speaker 1: I mean, that's what happens when you play fifteen years in college. I feel as if, for one that's not true too that. Uh he's pretty good. Yeah he's okay, Michigan kind of had him or no, yeah, Michigan. 00:05:22 Speaker 3: Some credit it was Michigan. Yeah, yeah, I am. But Michael Pennock was just kind of looking a little afraid of the entire game, which I would be too, guarantee it. So yeah, he still pulled off some good throws, oh for sure. Some of them he's like running throwing across the body and it's still there. 00:05:36 Speaker 1: It's like, it's pretty impressive. He's pretty good, pretty impressive. 00:05:40 Speaker 4: I think I think he's probably one of the best pro You know what prospects I've seen this year came from a Big ten program. 00:05:48 Speaker 1: That's why. Where is that Purdue or something? 00:05:50 Speaker 3: Indiana, Indiana, Indiana. 00:05:53 Speaker 1: I didn't know it was a school anymore. Eric, Yeah, it's just a basketball school, that's all it is. He's listening to a there's making a thumbnail force for our next media video that comes out. It's a hog hunting video. 00:06:08 Speaker 3: It's one of the best ones I've ever made, so I might be a little partial to it. 00:06:12 Speaker 1: Of course, my dad's in it. It's pretty cool. This is like the way you grew up hunting hogs, isn't it running them down with shotguns? It is is exactly that. Doing that thing was the thing we used to do all the time. It's cool. 00:06:24 Speaker 4: They just do the boat all the time, but the boat is in this. When we did the boat often. So it was a good time. And that'll be out next week, so look forward to that. 00:06:34 Speaker 1: But if you didn't know, right now, there is a new meteor. 00:06:37 Speaker 4: Video out where Tyler shoots a big giant nil kai. 00:06:40 Speaker 1: That was cool. 00:06:41 Speaker 4: How much the thing weigh four hundred and eighty seven pounds, dude, I'd call it five hundred all day for sure. 00:06:47 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well it's like, how many ten pound bass are there? Really? Right? Well? True? But I think this thing I would I could if it weighed five hundred pounds, It would not shock me at all. Yeah, but you got to say a real number. Oh yeah for five oh one? All right? Those are jeans, aren't they. Yeah? I like them five forty ones when I was in college because they're they're athletic fit, so they've got the extra room in the thighs, you know, and noways that nowadays bottoms. 00:07:15 Speaker 3: I wore the bell bottoms. What was it the five thirteen's or something. It was like the the cowboy cut boot cut ones, yeah, or I can't remember what they were. 00:07:23 Speaker 1: I like bootcut, but I gotta I got a problem. So I got these old boots that I like a lot. I like the shape of them, like the color, their ostrich skin kind of round it. But they're, uh, they're kind of short. They're kind of short, and uh, if you get boots that are too tall, they make your pants look kind of weird because they get up past that boot cut. And I've got these really nice, kind of pointy toe, roach killing looking boots that are deer skin. I like that my dad bought me and but they're tall. So I'm thinking about there's a there's a place in Fort Worth that does like that works on boots. I don't know, they probably do it. Like what's the place in Softer Springs you, uh, well, yeah, that place might do it. 00:08:05 Speaker 4: But you know where I got boots resold and stuff oftentimes is a laundromat. 00:08:10 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's there's like a connection there. Laundromat and solf Springs had. 00:08:14 Speaker 1: Had a uh what do they call them? Not a booter, but there's a there's a name for a cobbler, a cobbler. 00:08:23 Speaker 3: Yeah, they had a cobbler that I just need them. I need them shorter on the tops, you know, I swear them on the outside of your bridges. Well that's what I used to always do. Yeah, but as a as a married man, that's not a thing you do. But as a single man. 00:08:34 Speaker 1: I feel like that's a little aggressive. It's aggressive if you live in Ohio, but Texas, it's just like, what dudes do they have testosterone and we don't have that. I think there's a correlation there. It's it's what it is. That's the correlator. Have you listened to the Human podcasts? I've listened to a couple. Have you really? I did? That's surprising forgot to tell you, Tobies. This is getting ridiculous. It came out in nineteen ninety seven. Okay, so we were that is about you guys the time. I mean, we should have probably been watching it, but we weren't. I'm kind of thankful parents wouldn't let me. Yeah, what were you guys? I don't even know if that was really the truth. 00:09:23 Speaker 3: I watched Barney, and then I watched Barney's worse than Teletubbies. 00:09:30 Speaker 1: Who did some crazy No what I can't say this podcast? No, this is like Barney is Disney or anything you're thinking about late they like late stage Barney. Yeah, this is like your generation Barney. Yeah we got we got a crazy Barney had a normal We had a normal Barney. It was just a nice guy like mister Rogers that sang songs and took care of kids, and then watched like whatever is on PBS. 00:10:02 Speaker 3: I probably went from Barney straight to uh Kratz Creatures and Power Rangers is. Yeah, so their first show was Crass Creatures Crat Brothers Chris Martin. 00:10:15 Speaker 1: I was a big power rangelist kid. Yeah, yeah, well you're not real power rangers. But whatever, which I don't even know what did you want to be besides the pink one, the red one gonna go to be Jason, Sure, I don't even remember what. But I like the red one too. But I think I like the green one or the black one best. Interesting. I think, Uh, wasn't the green one like he wasn't there all the time? 00:10:43 Speaker 3: Or that's right, he turned to white sometimes too. Tommy right, Tommy, Yeah, I remember it, Tommy. Tommy was green and he was white later. And then uh, the black one was the black. 00:10:54 Speaker 1: Guy what was his name? I can't remember his name? 00:11:00 Speaker 3: Yeah, And all I remember it is for real. It's kind of weird, right, It's weird that they did it that way. And but then Billy, I remember Billy. He was the nerd one, Bill the Lows. 00:11:12 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:11:13 Speaker 1: Is that the guy that sells Zach was a black one? Yeah? So I, oh, dude, look at that. There's a kestral that just landed out in my past past Brian. You can't see him now. He landed in the grass right there and then came back down Trinity Triny. Yeah, that's in the nineties. Nobody was sensitive. You know, anybody's fine with who they are. I think I watched I watched I'm trying to think of the I watched some like rug Rats, Recess. What else did I watch? G I You remember t G I F. 00:11:46 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it just meant that Friday nights were good times to watch TV. 00:11:49 Speaker 1: Yeah, you just like you like that's when you build your palette, eat a dinner and you just lay there. And one used was a good good stuff for t G I, t G I, t G I F. I can't say. 00:12:04 Speaker 3: J. 00:12:05 Speaker 4: Well, he used to eat veinies and Cheetos. That was like my like go to. 00:12:11 Speaker 1: And you know we're talking about nasty do you talk about and like what we think that we should consume? Yeah, exactly. I mean it's a wondering by testosterone and a negative. 00:12:24 Speaker 3: Number, you know what I mean, and stuff like that. Yeah, that's like, I don't know, that's wild. 00:12:29 Speaker 1: That's uh. I think like we're constantly working against what like what probably like the seventies through the nineties of food massive food product mass. 00:12:40 Speaker 3: I bet you in the two thousands are still like that too. I mean I don't know. 00:12:43 Speaker 4: Yeah, well there's like a it's probably still just going down that path. 00:12:48 Speaker 1: And there's just like. 00:12:49 Speaker 4: These deviations of people trying to do different because i mean you walk down the aisles of Brooksures and it's still oh yeah, I mean it's. 00:12:56 Speaker 1: All it is. 00:12:57 Speaker 4: Does somebody will try to deviate towards health, and then corporate food industry will like bring them back in. So it's like we're gonna try to go healthy and uh. 00:13:09 Speaker 1: Be vegan or whatever. 00:13:10 Speaker 3: Yeah, which is a bad choice by the way, but speaking of that. 00:13:13 Speaker 4: They'll like craft will be like, you know what, We've got some vegan cheese over. 00:13:17 Speaker 1: Here, you know, and it's like, oh, they got the money, they know what to do with. Then, speaking of vegans, the so the the Humanman podcast we're talking about, I was listening to that this morning with Rick Rubin, Greg you know, you know, you know, produce jay Z and a bunch of other people. Anyway, he's kind of, uh, he's kind of like a health nut kind of guy mentality and all these uh kind of little woo woo or whatever. But he he like said he was a vegan at one point and then uh, he's like now a big proponent of red meat like like uh, I forget what he what they called it, but like red meat that is sourced in a certain way, right, so essentially wild or so uh you know, just kind of a little bit of It's it's a I like when somebody who's popular has that sentiment because it helps the hunting world's case a little bit, you. 00:14:14 Speaker 4: Know what I mean, you know, to kind of bring that to what we do. People like grain fed meats because they're so fatty. Well it's because people are cooking their steaks and the wrong stuff. You can take a deer steak, elk steak and Nilghai's steak. 00:14:33 Speaker 1: That's all this left. All that meat back then we did by the way, that's it is awesome meat. It ain't just a that ain't just a thing people say. 00:14:45 Speaker 4: The The thing is that people don't understand that you should take red meat put in a skillet with a lot of butter, and that's where you get your fat from. You don't have to source it from within the meat from grains, right, Like that's the pairing of red meat and butter is just like the. 00:15:02 Speaker 1: Way it's supposed to go. Yeah, Or you can go out and harvest a big old pig right now. Oh, then there's. 00:15:07 Speaker 4: A lot of fat on it, acron fat. Yeah, good stuff. We did that recently. 00:15:12 Speaker 1: Yeah, if you haven't watched that video, I don't know if we've talked about it. We wrote it last last but yeah, it's definitely something. It's cool because you get to see that pig. Also, there's a picture of us on the Instagram feed that you can check out of the fat layer on that pig. It was ridiculous. But Casey and I are gonna do some cool stuff with that, so, you know, video wise, you'll be looking forward to that kind of stuff this spring. We should probably after we got the podcast talk about what we're gonna do with that fat man. I'd like to. I'm excited to got a couple of things we can do with it. We can make our own sausage, which I'm okay with. I've done it before. Breakfast sausage is good. 00:15:48 Speaker 4: It's easy to make because you're not preserving and it's essentially just seasoned ground meat, you know. But I think one of the things that we're gonna do with it, like the priority would be rendered out and turned it into straight lard, so we can. 00:16:04 Speaker 1: Cook with it. 00:16:05 Speaker 3: I mean, well, you just got a new cast iron skillet and struggling with it, dude, that's the way to season it, is that? 00:16:11 Speaker 1: Lord? Yeah, I'm struggling with the season I did. I we know. I tried it once and we did in that video. We found out that the seasoning wasn't done or wasn't right, and uh so I went and seizoned it again, and I scrubbed it down and everything, and then I seasoned it up and put it into two rounds in the oven at an hour about an hour each and went to try to cook on it to the day and it did not do very well. It stuck stuck on it again. Yeah, so I just don't know what to do. There's just sometimes there's just breaking here and there's a lot of different things going on with them. But like, I don't know, I'm just I know, I know it's the way that I know there's a way to do it, and I know I'm just not on board with it. Man, It's I'm struggling. I want to be a a cast iron skillet guy, but I cannot figure out how to get it done. You don't know's the weddn't mine? Started cooking good. 00:17:09 Speaker 3: So when I got off from a with sandpaper and just sended it all down and started over from the from the very base metal, take it to like a straight up silver medal. Yeah, and then season that and the it's way better. 00:17:23 Speaker 1: So it might be. 00:17:23 Speaker 3: Something to do. 00:17:24 Speaker 1: I got. I got a blackstone for my birthday last year or something, and I seasoned that. But I did it. When I seasoned it, I did it five times because this guy on YouTube said to do it, you know, five to seven, three to seven times something. I did five seasoning sessions, all within like the course of an hour, hour and a half whatever, and that sucker is seasoned really Yeah, works good. But I can cook anything on it. And I cooked fishing on the other day, so that's cool. Yeah. I just I cook bacon on it in the morning and cooked fish for lunch. 00:17:56 Speaker 3: It was. 00:17:57 Speaker 1: I do that a lot. Cook bacon in the morning, just leave the grease in the pan and cook something there later. For sure. 00:18:03 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:18:04 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I go, how do you cook? Cook? Drive to Gorditas? 00:18:09 Speaker 6: Come on, d I've been cooking, have you. I've been cooking a little bit on I do mostly grill, yeah, stuff like backstrap kind of grill. 00:18:20 Speaker 1: Do you have like a just a propane propane grill? Man? I want to. I want to appellet grill bad me too, man, But it's so they're expensive, I know. 00:18:28 Speaker 4: And I got a decent propane grill, you know, like a charboil four burner or whatever, and it's got like the shields on it or whatever, but it's still you know what I dislike about propane grills is the flame up thing. It just always happens, man, because I ain't never cooking the lean piece of meat, cooking something with some fat on it, and it's gonna that. 00:18:48 Speaker 1: In the flavor, man, you know, I mean it's just when you get what a little bit of smoke added toude. It's just a. 00:18:53 Speaker 4: Different you've been doing some of the pellet grill stuff. How many people, first of all, are yelling at that's about pet girls right now? Do you know that there's like this anti pelle girl movement thing that happens within Is it good or bad? 00:19:04 Speaker 1: Uh? 00:19:05 Speaker 3: It's it's bad. 00:19:06 Speaker 1: So it's because you should be able to cook on a with logs that are axed by. 00:19:10 Speaker 4: Your hayd some some people have eight hours to sit around and not doing anything while piece of meat smokes uh, and other people have have a life and like to hunt and do other things. So the use pellet girls me personally, I'm gonna be a pillar girl guy. 00:19:23 Speaker 1: I would in fact, I would love to be like up at the school getting my like say, picking my kids up from practice and just like straight up Wi Fi turned my grill on so that it is hot when I get there and I can just throw stuff on it. 00:19:36 Speaker 4: It's a thing that'd be cool. That's the thing that I think is offered. Yeah, and I would like to know what the move should be. 00:19:42 Speaker 3: If you're listening and you know, and you're a pellet girl guy, I don't wan anybody to be. 00:19:45 Speaker 1: Like, well, what you need is a three hundred down propleane tanking and yeah cut in half. Yeah, yeah, I'm interested, but it's it's expensive. I've been looking on Facebook Marketplace a little bit, but stinks because like, they ain't a whole lot of pellet girls sale out here where we live. You gotta go to the Metroplex and it's just a whole day, half day thing, you know, to do that tomorrow that. 00:20:08 Speaker 4: If you see it in Dallas a far club, say hi, I'm gonna be there and then we're gonna go do some other things while there. Here's what happens when you live where we live. 00:20:18 Speaker 1: Like when you go to the city, it's a big deal. You multitask. 00:20:21 Speaker 4: Yeah, you do a bunch of different things while you're there, because I mean do literally, if you need anything outside of tweeny two shells or twenty gauge here or whatever it may be, you gotta go to the Metroplex mount in here. 00:20:34 Speaker 3: We can go halfway there for some stuff. But like you need think anything specialty at all. 00:20:39 Speaker 1: Sports stuff, sports equipment stuff. Man got to go to at least agreeable. But yeah, I don't know. That's a The pellet girl thing is intriguing. It's just expensive, and I mean it's one of those things like I could probably pull it off like a night, a pretty decent one, but it just hurts to go in your bank account at the end of the month. I don't like being at the end of my rope at the end of the month, you know what I mean, It's not fun. But yeah, if you know, if you know, if you've got thoughts about that, I would love to know. Also, like what kind of pellets I think there's different flavors and stuff of pellets. Right. 00:21:16 Speaker 4: My dad's been mess around that stuff a little bit. He's got one of those stand smokers. Like I think you and I both have one of those things. Right, It's just a little electric deal. He's been like, I don't know, I don't know if it makes any difference. He's like, I started on apple and then I finishing on cherry. I'm like, come on, I don't know, man, I don't know. 00:21:32 Speaker 1: If I hear you on that, I have a stand smoker and that thing, will I do it. It's chips, which they don't do a whole lot of chips stuff anymore, and it'll burn through and quit, it will. But like also, at the same time, it's a lot of smoke out, so in fifteen minutes you can have a as much smoke as you want on that piece of meat pretty much. Man. 00:21:53 Speaker 4: I don't know if it's just the texting emy or what, but just good old oak wood smoke is yeah, probably for sure. 00:22:00 Speaker 1: It's good too. Man. I like Mosquite a lot. My dad used to cook on the Mosquite all the time back when we had deer leases out. 00:22:06 Speaker 4: And you know, we always said whenever we go somewhere where there are mosquites, we're gonna get some mosquite would. 00:22:11 Speaker 1: And we have a circus of different logistics to how. 00:22:16 Speaker 4: Much extracurriculars do we get to involve ourselves in on trips? 00:22:19 Speaker 1: About zero about zero point zero terrible? Yeah, I remember this year. The last trip to West Texa is none. None. You got to hunt quail like for half a day. Yeah, well no, I hunted quail walking into help Michael get his deer. Yeah, Michael, it's about it. Tell us about your smoking one, but I did. I just saw the wings right over him, like Greg. I remember Greg the last night, like hanging out with like an astro's picture and you know, uh, not nearly as cool, but a comedian. I hope he's listening, But no, we're hanging out with you know, like a pretty insta famous kind of guy or whatever. It's fun to hang out with, but like you know, Greg is a Astros like fan, you know, and this there's a picture in camp with us, and he's over there like working his tail off at like eight at night or what. I'm like, Hey, you don't have to if you can't finish that thing tonight, just you can hang out or whatever. We just don't get a whole lot of time to do stuff. Man, we just don't don't have a whole lot of time to do with the extra just kind of hanging around stuff that might be Brian around sometimes. 00:23:49 Speaker 4: Well I don't know how much we've talked about anything and everything, but just the short of it, you have experienced some times you have been unable to put the arrow where you needed to. Yep, sure enough, you're getting better. 00:24:06 Speaker 1: Something like that. You smoked an antlerless deer. I don't know really what the problem has been, but seemed to get over the hump. That's good. 00:24:17 Speaker 3: You smoked it and smoked it down. So can you tell us what you have done with all that dear meat? I ate it all, a bunch of it. I ate pretty much all of it. I left a ham and a shoulder from and that's it. 00:24:35 Speaker 1: How'd you eat that stuff? 00:24:36 Speaker 3: I mean, we just cooked steaks with the tenderloins and backstraps and everything, and then just did some roasts New Year's Day roast with the hams. 00:24:45 Speaker 1: What did you do with that deer? 00:24:46 Speaker 3: You just did? 00:24:47 Speaker 4: You just freeze it when you got home? Or and they just took it back on it, put in baggies. Yeah, got you, Greg, Yeah, you got a couple of deer from this year. 00:24:58 Speaker 1: You've been grind meat. 00:25:00 Speaker 5: Yeah, been grilling. 00:25:01 Speaker 1: That's good. That's it. That's what you're gonna do. Just can grill at all anything really staked. 00:25:06 Speaker 6: I'm trying to get through like twenty twenty one, twenty two backstrap. Yeah, I'm just trying to cook all that up right. 00:25:12 Speaker 1: Now, you get the ten nug thing going on. Ye, here's how here's how I do. I eat backstraps quick and then I also save so like I'll a lot of times, like in the past, I didn't have like freeze, vacuum seal or whatever, so I'd like get freezer burned on backstraps because I'd be like, I gotta say that it's like the best part exactly what you mean. Now, Like. 00:25:38 Speaker 4: There's been many times where I'll be digging around my freezer and find eak backstrap and it's like, why is this stealing here? 00:25:44 Speaker 1: Of all the things, It's. 00:25:45 Speaker 3: Because you like cherry shit, so you don't want to use. 00:25:47 Speaker 1: It all up at once, right, Yeah, it's a it's a weird deal. Like I'll usually have a backstrap. But a lot of times I'll eat. Like if I say I got like two deer, I go and get in two weeks or something, and then I'll have four backs and I'll have them, you know, probably halfed, and then I'll just hammer through most of them. I have like one or two left. One of them will be hidden somewhere and the other one will be in the door, and it'll just sit there for forever, you know. 00:26:13 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, It's something I've been dealing with some this year, is I got every deer I killed this year processed, which is weird for me. 00:26:21 Speaker 3: You know. I usually get like one year processed by processing and do the rest myself. But we've just been so busy, and my vacuums either broke, so I uh, just you know, it's just easier to do that, especially with two little kids going out of space YadA YadA, you know, all the things and so like. 00:26:40 Speaker 1: But I don't think that's very uncommon. 00:26:42 Speaker 4: I think that a lot of people get deer process I mean, there's where we live. There's lots of places that only process while gain and we don't even live in like a what you'd call a deer hunting area of the state. Right, But like these places don't process beef or pork or anything. I mean they will process wild pork, but they don't do anything but wild game. 00:27:04 Speaker 1: Right. 00:27:04 Speaker 4: So I think you turned me onto this because it's a problem I've had is there's like a certain way to get a deer processed, and there's like an economical way, and uh there's ways that like you may or may not use this stuff as well. 00:27:20 Speaker 1: Uh so what brought us up? 00:27:23 Speaker 4: As you said you had your backstraps had and uh I started doing that because I used to get them butterflied. 00:27:30 Speaker 1: Well. 00:27:30 Speaker 4: Then used to end up with a ton of packages and you have to throw throw out like three or four packages, and the the sizes of the stakes are never what you want them to be, right, So it's just difficult. What are some other things that you do when you go get a deer processed? 00:27:45 Speaker 1: Well, I used to do backstraps and thirds and then just like a third wouldn't feed my whole family, so family get bigger. Yeah. So I mean if you are if it's you and your you know, roommate or whatever you want to call it, and that's it, then you might go thirds, but halves is what works for me with a family four, and I'll usually do Tenderlin's whole. You kind of turned me on to doing these like football roast and maybe did you did you do you do another roast and then the rest into ground them or something neckroes. Yeah, that's right, that's right, So like quarter in the neckroes pretty much and those work. I like that a lot, actually, because the necros is really good and you can turn it into barbcola really easy too, if you want to do it that way. But it's already there, package ready to go, and the rest of it in the ground, which to me, I've done a lot of roasts. I like doing deer roast, but there are some big muscle groups within the shoulder or back ham that have a lot of like tendons in them and stuff and just don't break down very well in a roast. They'll break down a little better in a barbericola application, but I don't I don't really like like when I do my own if I try to cut roasts out, then it just it's not great most of the time, you know what I mean. And it has a lot of those tendons in it, whereas like if I was just taking say, okay, football roast, I want to quarter up this neck everything else, let's just throw it and grind. And you know, I mean, dude, I made I made this. I did two packages of the mccormicks taco seasoning, which has no MSG or anything funky in it. Easy, easy, man, Like I did two pounds of ground deer meat with that, two packages of that on it. And then I did there's this Mexican street corn package that I found at Brookshuce that is bomb and you put like mayonnaise, sour cream and the corn. You know, I just took two cans of corn, put some of that season on there. Colle dude, you put the Mexican corn on the taco with a little lime juice. And now don't you don't need anything else that had some cilantro in it? Dude, so good. 00:29:58 Speaker 3: You know. I like to season own meat and not use the packages. But it's handy having a couple of those laying around. Okay, you gotta do something fast, you know. And I think, and I mean, I like season my own too, and I do. I do it all the time. 00:30:11 Speaker 1: But when I don't have them, but like I can't do it better than the way they do it. Really, it's it's so good. 00:30:16 Speaker 4: That's it's also nice because and this is why I started getting so much ground done, because my wife is not a cook. But she really ain't a cook when there's a hunk of meat laying there. But when there's ground meat, at least it's kind of approachable. Yeah, she might make it. You know, she can make spaghetti now because she understands what to do some ground meat. You know, the same thing goes for those like seasoning packets and stuff. She ain't love her to death, but she ain't gonna be able to seas any taco meat. You know, she's gonna go buy recipe and then she's gonna confuse a teaspoon for a cup. 00:30:51 Speaker 1: Oh was it? 00:30:53 Speaker 4: It was the olive oil for some reason she was doing. Yeah, she used a cup of olive oil instead of the tablespoon. 00:31:00 Speaker 1: It's like fourteen seventy six, which have too much olive oil, right, it was. It was just funny, bensive. 00:31:07 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I buy that good. 00:31:09 Speaker 1: At olive oil too. Yeah, so it is expensive. I like it olive oil. But yeah, that's a recently cooking segment from you guys. You guys recently went and shot at and shot some deer or whatever, right, did a lot of deer hunting, like right around the Christmas time, I guess y'all went. And Yeah. 00:31:29 Speaker 4: So Texas has a late rut in a lot of the state, and uh, it's just different. If you've listened to the Element podcast for long, you've heard us talk about the rut here and how it's just it is not the same as the Midwest. The Midwest rut is very defined and. 00:31:46 Speaker 1: It's very cool. 00:31:46 Speaker 4: And then even still there you can see rot action outside of the rut dates, but in Texas it's just amplified greatly. 00:31:53 Speaker 3: Right. 00:31:53 Speaker 4: You can see rout action from I mean across the state if you wanted to do it. You could have dose being bred in September in some places, and there are dose being bred in January and other places, and that stuff bleeds over into other areas and zones. And there's even these little micro things right where kind of where Gregg's from down there, it's early November like Halloween type. It's a very like classical yeah yeah, which that's kind of like a weird spot for that to be going on compared to everything else. 00:32:25 Speaker 5: Around, but you go like twenty miles and that's like December. 00:32:28 Speaker 3: Yeah, strange, right, So we so we like to kind of drive around the state and try to find some of that stuff to hunt. 00:32:34 Speaker 4: And so we did that recently and h it was fun. We saw deer constantly. 00:32:43 Speaker 5: I did not. 00:32:43 Speaker 1: Shoot one, yeah, came close though, we came close. 00:32:47 Speaker 4: Man, H there was I mean, I don't know something about the December rut stuff. 00:32:54 Speaker 1: I just feel like potentially the deer in Texas are just they get they just kinda get dumber, you know. 00:33:04 Speaker 4: And we say, and that's kind of why everybody likes to hunt the rut, right, But like, especially deer in Texas, if they are feeling ruddy, it's like you can get away with some stuff. 00:33:13 Speaker 3: They're still gonna be jumping when you go to shoot at them. There's still gonna be jack rabbits whenever you're gonna moveing around. But like, I don't know, it's just like they do kind of some weird stuff. That's why we love the rut, right. 00:33:23 Speaker 4: I mean, deer are just visible and right now it's right now, even like it's mid January or early January, I guess. And I got corn at my house just pretty much as a wildlife observer more than anything. 00:33:36 Speaker 1: And there's hardly any bucks in daytime. But conservationists that's right. That's right. 00:33:41 Speaker 3: Preservationists at my place, that's right. You know, maybe that's how the messaging needs people. Conservation isn't catching on. Maybe we should just try preservation to see it. I mean it's working in most of the government land in Texas preservations, that's a lot of it is. 00:34:00 Speaker 1: Yeah. Anyways, you need to give some credit where credits due. Good call, man. 00:34:11 Speaker 3: I have a friend now acquaintance who is a game warden and a certain portion of Texas. Not to uh oust anyone, but he gave me a callback very promptly, like within a couple of hours, and I appreciate. 00:34:25 Speaker 1: That and was apologetic that he didn't get to you sooner. 00:34:28 Speaker 4: That's right, nice guy, And it was one of the more helpful people I've talked too lately. 00:34:32 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, pretty cool. There's some good people that work in places. Yeah. 00:34:39 Speaker 4: So, uh, the three of us went out three little bears to try to find us some good eating and maybe do a little hunting. 00:34:52 Speaker 1: Probably not day by day. Yeah, well at the highlights, bro Greg did some self filming and hunt. 00:35:00 Speaker 4: Michael filmed me because he's a selfless, kind individual and a hard worker. 00:35:07 Speaker 1: He is WOW and he likes boat rides, so it works. I do after all that stuff. Doesn't like being in the boat. 00:35:15 Speaker 3: Ever since he went flying to the front of it. 00:35:22 Speaker 4: He liked being early, but it took him like fourteen days of hunting to kill a deer out there. Whatever the boat makes sure early you've done it, Mike Michael, I mean, it definitely makes it so he's less walking man. 00:35:37 Speaker 3: But people crack on me about that. But whatever killed this year. 00:35:43 Speaker 4: So Michael and I sat in the truck till eight thirty in Kansas and then went and killed the bugge of a lifetime. 00:35:49 Speaker 3: So you guys are just overvaluing things. I think, No, in the morning greatest for sure, scare of the boat after after some of our experiences. 00:36:01 Speaker 5: After we hit the e break in Arkansas, we gave it the. 00:36:05 Speaker 3: Old Fred flintstone and just put our feets down. Yeah, that was so if we didn't have any of that on this trip. MICHAELA had had a nice couple cruises in the boat. Man. 00:36:16 Speaker 4: You know, mid to late December you get some really like consistent weather days, which can be nice because you know what you're gonna get, but at the same time it gets difficult because you get. 00:36:30 Speaker 1: The same wind every day. We didn't have a wind change the whole. 00:36:33 Speaker 3: Time we were there. 00:36:34 Speaker 1: I can remember one day. 00:36:36 Speaker 4: Being like, oh, the wind is fifteen degrees different today. 00:36:41 Speaker 1: This is great. It opens up so much, you know, so you end up blowing out stuff. 00:36:46 Speaker 3: It's almost like you can only hunt for you know, three, four or five days or something before you kind of feel like you've made an intrusion. 00:36:54 Speaker 6: And it was it was pretty hot too, Like it was cold when we got there, but it like warmed up pretty quite a bit. 00:37:00 Speaker 3: Yeah, which deer and Texas are kind of used to that. But still if it's a hunter, yeah, you want those cold days, you know. 00:37:08 Speaker 1: Greg, did you do your rattling? 00:37:12 Speaker 5: I I think I did. 00:37:14 Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't very memorable, was it. No? 00:37:17 Speaker 3: I did. I did quite a bit of rattling too, And we did rattle in one buck, but he didn't come all the way in. And a guy, oh my goodness, the first guy. 00:37:30 Speaker 4: So we're in this place that was pretty open and we saw uh a couple of years at distance I glassed and one of them was like a potential shooter. So I was like, I'm a rattle and see uh because it looked like they might have been doing like a lockdown type thing. Well, I rattle and then a bigger buck pops up and he's the one that decides to come to us, and we're freaking out right. So we watched this like really solid wide eight point probably cover two hundred yards coming to is. He gets to about one hundred and thirty yards and then he's got to go down in. 00:38:05 Speaker 3: This ditch and come back up, and I'm like getting my bow raid to shoot because it's those deer down there. 00:38:11 Speaker 1: You just got to be ready. Yeah, it's like you've learned that. 00:38:13 Speaker 3: Once he disappeared, it's like, next time we're going to see him, he's gonna be at seventies minutes. 00:38:17 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be almost arranged. Right. Well, then he just never shows up. 00:38:20 Speaker 4: So that was that was not cool. He did a thing, and here's what ends up hurting in that situation. Ay, it was the biggest buck we saw all week, and b we don't know exactly what he did. So you're you want to learn from the situation, and you can't learn everything you wish you could, because you don't know what the final outcome was. So we drew some inferences on it. But I think I've seen this before, but if deer are not super fired up, like if you're rattling that deer at distance and they're not running to you, they're essentially coming to that sound until they find something better. And I think that's what he did. I think he smelled something and was like, uh, they kind. 00:39:03 Speaker 3: Of like did the whole like out ofside, out of mine thing, like I hadn't heard that rattling in a while. 00:39:08 Speaker 1: Oh, there's a good smell. I'm going to go to that. So we were encouraged by rattling. 00:39:12 Speaker 4: After that, well, we decided then to lose our minds one night and try like four different places and have a terrible time, bought to hunts the sweat fist. 00:39:22 Speaker 3: But finally ended up like, well we're here at the evening time, it's time to hunt. And then what happened, Michael, Uh, so we're just kind of sitting in our final destination because if you remember, we moved around like four or five different. 00:39:37 Speaker 1: Times of micro adjustment micro adjustice. 00:39:40 Speaker 3: And then you like we're just sitting there, and you're like, all right, I see a buck. He's like across a big draw. So it's like, well, we might as well rattle. So you start rattling, and he actually does start coming in, but a guy or we didn't know the guy. 00:39:57 Speaker 1: We just hear that. 00:40:00 Speaker 3: Really good down like sounds really good. And then like probably thirty seconds later, just here like like it blows the read out and it's like, well, I think that's I think that's a dude. 00:40:12 Speaker 1: It's what you said. 00:40:14 Speaker 3: And I was sitting there like, oh, I hope that's a deer, but it probably is a guy. And so you rattled again or something, and I'm sitting there video and you and you just like stop rattling and put your hand up, and I looked down. I looked down into the camera and I just see mister Navy seal coming up the hill, full gilly suit, just like look up and just like and walk back down. 00:40:38 Speaker 1: Talking and botting bucks. 00:40:41 Speaker 3: He thought he was about to walk up there and just shoot a big buck instead OF's just Casey sitting there staring right back at him. 00:40:49 Speaker 1: Yeah, do you know me exactly? 00:40:53 Speaker 5: Yeah? 00:40:53 Speaker 1: He didn't know me for sure. Yeah, I kinda that was kind of sad. 00:40:59 Speaker 4: After that, we got up and went back to the boat and kind of got back early. 00:41:02 Speaker 3: Yeah, except you saw the buck we went in there originally trying to hunt fifty yards away. 00:41:08 Speaker 1: From you on the phone. 00:41:09 Speaker 4: That's right, we were getting I literally reached down to pick up the anchor and look up, and the buck we were after that we'd seen in there the day before, was. 00:41:21 Speaker 3: Just looking at us. 00:41:23 Speaker 1: Oh, so ticked I got. I talked about it over in the parks, but I got caught in Kansas Bad had about fifty yards by a buck that was probably not gonna shoot. I was not gonna shoot, probably, but he was big, the big white eight Yeah, looking right at me when I turned around. It felt so dumb. We did that to him too. I forgot about that. 00:41:52 Speaker 5: Yeah, we probably we did a couple times. 00:41:54 Speaker 1: We Yeah, So. 00:42:02 Speaker 4: Other highlights for me. I finally found a spot a lot and it was on this like thicket and on the edge of it up against the water. And you can kind of predict deer that live around water. You know, here in East Texas, we've got a lot of these lakes that have public ground around those like corn in Core Engineers or whatever. And deer will move along those water boundaries with the wind blowing off the thicket into them. Right, So it's a thing that we were trying to capitalize on, and sure enough we found a spot where it just worked, and Michael and I went in there one morning kind of even built a little bit of a I won't even call it a ground blind, but just kind of leaned a stick or two up to get a little bit extra cover. And it was a little bit windy, I think that morning, right. 00:42:56 Speaker 1: It was a little bit of a breeze compared to the other mornings. 00:42:58 Speaker 3: I mean every other morning was just like two mile hour wings and just barely feel anything. 00:43:03 Speaker 4: And so where's a little bit of sound cover, which is good for getting in somewhere. But when you have tiny texas the year that don't make a lot of noise, they can sneak up on you. 00:43:15 Speaker 1: Well that's what happened. You can tell where we're going with this. 00:43:19 Speaker 4: A really nice buck. I don't remember what he was right now, but he sneaks upon us. I'm looking at the wrong hole because it's the first time we sit here, and I'm thinking one's gonna pop up over there. Well, he ends up ninety degrees from us on our right, and Michael sees him. We'd heard him but couldn't find him, and I was looking around. Michael sees him and how far is he? 00:43:44 Speaker 1: Fifteen? 00:43:45 Speaker 3: I just see the top of times coming through the brush and it's just like at that point it's like, Okay, we cannot move it all or he's out of here, and when you're filming, it's not the greatest situation. 00:43:57 Speaker 1: We didn't move it all. 00:43:59 Speaker 4: And then he came closer, yeah, and he was like at seven and then finally. 00:44:06 Speaker 3: And I'm just my bow's on the ground. I'm just looking at this deer. But the goupros on so that's good. Yeah, So the uh, the encounter was documented and then figured out. 00:44:18 Speaker 1: That was a good place, and a couple days later went back and hunted again. And uh, you. 00:44:23 Speaker 4: Had to leave early because you're trying to get home. You live in Canada and that's where you're from at least, so you have to drive all the way up there. 00:44:32 Speaker 3: And Gregg's with me this time, and we hear a buck for like thirty minutes probably it was like really close to first light. 00:44:42 Speaker 5: Pay the last first twenty minutes. 00:44:43 Speaker 4: Yeah, right, after first light, we start hearing this deer. We know it's going to be a deer. I mean, you know what you do, it's uh for I guarantee you we heard him for at least thirty minutes before we saw him. 00:44:55 Speaker 5: I think it was like an hour. 00:44:56 Speaker 1: He got real close to us and we couldn't see him too, And then. 00:45:00 Speaker 6: We could hear him sniffing around at like like twenty five, Yeah, but we couldn't see it. 00:45:04 Speaker 3: Couldn't see him, and then it kind of like goes away and we're like, well, shoot, I guess he who knows, you know, am Ia smelled us or figured us out or whatever. Well, ends up this deer is just feeding as slow as the deer possibly can. Like if you've ever seen a deer rot cruise. 00:45:20 Speaker 1: He's doing the opposite of that. He is just being so slow. 00:45:25 Speaker 4: And I see him probably, like you said, probably an hour after the initial like what was that. He's at like forty five and I just see a main beam moving around and I'm like, oh gosh, I's see a deer. 00:45:40 Speaker 3: You know. 00:45:41 Speaker 4: And to shorten it up a little bit, we continue to watch this deer for an hour within bow range. 00:45:49 Speaker 5: Yeah, like inside forty yards. 00:45:51 Speaker 6: We're watching him just stick his head up in a mosquite or whatever and just feed around for fifteen minutes, and then go to another one and stick his head in feed for fifteen minutes. 00:45:59 Speaker 1: What's he eating. 00:46:00 Speaker 3: He's just eating like the little fresh green growth, like the newest stuff on the trees around, like on the brush one a michael. 00:46:11 Speaker 1: A green brayer. 00:46:15 Speaker 3: Brambles. But he's just packing his belly full. And it's because we're in a wild country. There's no like agg or anything around, you know, so he's just eating natural brows. 00:46:32 Speaker 4: And he literally is like I almost stood up to shoot him three different times, but I'm trying to be patient because I have a good window and I'm like, if he comes over here and I would just wait, he's gonna give me a great shot. And the patient sort of paid off because he, like two or three different times, kind of acted like he was gonna veer off, kind of like Nameless did a long time ago. You remember, and then you realize, like he he's just kind of like sniffing around, but he has a general direction of travel. 00:47:05 Speaker 1: And h he did it. 00:47:07 Speaker 4: He about one hour, like literally we're keeping up with it about one hour later, he finally steps out into. 00:47:13 Speaker 1: The gap and I've already kind of got. 00:47:15 Speaker 4: My bow halfway up and I go to just I think I got to half draw or quarter draw that first time, and he just whips his head around and just sees me, and he literally is facing quartering away. 00:47:29 Speaker 1: When I go to do this draw. He's not even broadside. 00:47:31 Speaker 3: He's quartering away twenty yards and has He's at zero on his alertness level. 00:47:37 Speaker 1: Right, he has no clue. 00:47:39 Speaker 5: We're in the world and the wind's blowing pretty good. 00:47:41 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's right. The stuff is moving around us, and he catches me, so I you know, when as soon as he looks, I have to kind of stop, and we're uncomfortable. He stares at us for probably two minutes, does the dough thing with his head where he puts it down, looks at us, and then we're still. 00:48:00 Speaker 1: So then he goes. 00:48:01 Speaker 3: To do his thing. He kind of is like turning off and he's he's moving, And in my experience, when deer are moving, you can usually get away with a draw. Not this guy. I go to draw from right there and he just senses it goes doesn't. 00:48:17 Speaker 1: Even turn to look or anything. 00:48:18 Speaker 5: He just felt it. 00:48:19 Speaker 3: He just felt it, hater. The worst part is, well, let me tell you about this deer. I thought he was a giant when we first saw him, and then he got closer and realized he wasn't that big. 00:48:32 Speaker 5: It was wed. 00:48:33 Speaker 1: I thought he was like a big, old. 00:48:35 Speaker 5: Mature like he shrunk like sixty inches. 00:48:37 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not kidding. Him and I both thought that. 00:48:41 Speaker 4: We thought it was an old like, yeah, like seven point giant looking deer. 00:48:46 Speaker 3: And then whenever he whipped his head around looked at me, and I was like a three year old. 00:48:50 Speaker 1: It was weird. 00:48:52 Speaker 3: But anyways, looking back at the footage, this is salt on the wound. 00:48:57 Speaker 4: He is at least partially blind and his left eye, which is the side he caught me on. 00:49:06 Speaker 6: I know. 00:49:07 Speaker 1: Also, how do I keep shooting blind deer trying to you know? Yeah? 00:49:14 Speaker 4: So that was my extent of the Texas public land this year, Greg, you did some hunting. 00:49:20 Speaker 1: Hear you? No way he might have heard. 00:49:23 Speaker 5: You, but I think he can still catch a little movement out of that. 00:49:25 Speaker 3: I probably he heard at some point in time you had to switch batteries and he heard a little bit of that, but he. 00:49:32 Speaker 5: Didn't get before you even tried to draw. 00:49:34 Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, but he like had heard something in that direction, but it wasn't like he was ever spooked. He just looked over, didn't see anything, and went back to doing his thing. 00:49:46 Speaker 1: Here's the thing, Yeah, I figured something out about animals. I would like to know. Boy, So hogs uh huh cannot see that great, right, but they catch you talking them all the time. In fact, I think I got seen the other night. I'm pretty sure you got seen the other night. Only wentto stalking hogs. And there's something that relates to my thoughts here. But when something can't see, well, I think there's it's weird. But they seek and rely on contrast more than they do actual like dial hawk egle eye vision. So there's like the sasquatch thing is actually a big deal for animals that have either partial blindness or hawk vision, you know what I mean. So I kind of wonder if that that's the case. It's more that there's a big dark blob that I'm focusing on because that's all I can see out of that eye, as opposed to like, you know, seeing the detail of the bow drawing, you know, and moving or whatever. 00:50:50 Speaker 4: Yeah, you're probably right, And also just being on the ground is hard. Yeah, that's yeah, all there is to it, for sure. 00:50:58 Speaker 3: And I think there's a thing to it as well. Where in Kansas you're on the ground with a deer that probably weighs more than you, especially if you haven't gone through like a full November of eating, you know, and so like his just scaredy is not as high as a hundred pound deer is because I could take two of those deer on it once, you know, Like it's they're literally more than half the size of some of the bucks that we. 00:51:26 Speaker 1: Show well, and like does that make them you know, do more kyotes? You know? I know the coyotes are a little bit smaller down there too, but still relative to the deer size, the kyote is bigger than it is in Kansas or Nebraska or Michigan or whatever. Yeah, And I kind of wonder if like just always on edge more like I've seen I've seen two year old Kansas bucks just go after a kyot, you know what I mean. But I don't know if I've ever seen a deer really do that. I've seen them be kind of not so scared of them, but it's just yeah, I kind of wonder if they just have like more predators in the woods. You know. 00:51:58 Speaker 4: I also tell you up hunting public land and a lot of states, and the only place that I found airs laying on the ground is Texas, you know. 00:52:06 Speaker 1: What I mean. Yeah, I think there's a lot of air flinging going on in Texas. 00:52:11 Speaker 5: Yeah. Every one of those deer had an arrow flung. 00:52:14 Speaker 1: Yeah, man, that's probably the truth. 00:52:17 Speaker 3: I mean, we were finding blood trails and all types of stuff, like there are people out there putting some deer. Real we found a good blood trail, real good. Yeah. Yeah, that was cool. 00:52:30 Speaker 1: It was also disheartening. Yeah, it's like there's one less here for sure. Yeah. My tenses were already bad. That's probably the highlights of my hunting. Greg had some highlights. Yeah, that's what's gonna say, Greg. 00:52:43 Speaker 5: Yeah, I had. I had a couple of good hunts. Early on. I had some bucks. 00:52:48 Speaker 6: I had one like like two and a half year old, Like he was just way too tiny. 00:52:54 Speaker 5: I just couldn't make him look big. 00:52:55 Speaker 1: Yeah, and he was also like forty forty five yards trophy hunter. 00:52:58 Speaker 5: Hunh Yeah, I was trophy hunt. 00:53:01 Speaker 6: But after about day two I was like kind of regretting not shooting. 00:53:06 Speaker 5: At that buck. 00:53:07 Speaker 1: Yeah, but. 00:53:09 Speaker 5: End up I'm shooting out a dough on like day four or whatever. 00:53:16 Speaker 1: But how that go? 00:53:17 Speaker 5: No good? She wasn't there when they're I got. 00:53:22 Speaker 3: Is that because you're still shooting. 00:53:23 Speaker 1: At kid's bow? 00:53:24 Speaker 6: No it is not. 00:53:25 Speaker 1: They just fast you're shooting fast bow. 00:53:27 Speaker 6: Now, Yeah, she was pretty irens are at forty five and she stopped and I shot and she she flinches when the era is about a third of the way there. 00:53:40 Speaker 1: Well, you know, I had never thought about it this way. That makes sense. 00:53:43 Speaker 4: But a smaller animal has less to move out of the way, for sure. So like a Kansas buck has got to chest cat, that's right, and he's got to move. 00:53:55 Speaker 1: A lot of weight and a lot of body out of the way. 00:53:57 Speaker 5: These deer can get it out of the way quick. 00:53:59 Speaker 4: It's like five inches. She has to move five inches and you ain't hitting her anymore. Yeah, you know that's a lot. That's a lot of difference. 00:54:05 Speaker 1: Yeah, the uh I noticed on speaking of nameless he was at twenty three and he moved. He moves probably he ducks two to three inches before the arrow gets there. And that's a big deer, you know. So like a small deer. Third of forty five is fifteen, so she's starting to move it when the arrow's at fifteen yards, which would put her in the same category or even a little faster probably than a nameless You know. 00:54:32 Speaker 3: I think that I heard Aaron Snyder say this one time. 00:54:34 Speaker 1: It might have been him. 00:54:35 Speaker 3: I don't know. 00:54:36 Speaker 4: Aaron has shot arrows that a lot of things, as have I. He's hit a few. 00:54:43 Speaker 3: But I think that most cases, deer hear the arrow going through the air instead of people worry about the bow going off on what that sounds like. I really think that the arrow sound is what deer are hearing. You said, she flinched when the arrows a third of the way there. 00:55:00 Speaker 5: They can hear something getting closer, and I think. 00:55:02 Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, you know it's it's not a uh, this is a don't try this at home. But I have gotten behind trees or heybales and listen to arrows go by. It's an unnerving feeling. You know what we should do? Yeah, we should do a test. We should do a test, and we should what is a deer here? We know we should we should shoot our bow when a deer is at like thirty yards but shoot it in the opposite direction and like a target behind your stand and see what the see like the timing. 00:55:33 Speaker 1: All the year long. If we're not shooting at the deer, yeah, we're not hunting them, right, I mean, I got local authority integrity, man. But like you know, people don't farm on South Park believe Yeah, people don't believe you. Yeah, just don't dress and camo, you know. Yeah, blue shirts work well. But I think we should do the test. I have a fletching jeeke. 00:56:00 Speaker 3: We could buy every fletching known to man and just fletch up a bunch of different arrows. 00:56:05 Speaker 1: Get a deathsometer or something. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. 00:56:07 Speaker 4: We could just do it with our zoom and just you know, by what sounds like and just see which one is, Like. 00:56:14 Speaker 1: You know, Grand Thumb did that. 00:56:15 Speaker 4: That's one of the cooler videos I've watched, is what things different projectiles sound like? 00:56:20 Speaker 1: Sounds like yeah, they dude, it's cool. They get awesome. Behind. Micah was like, uh so, uh, Mike Jones is that guy right? 00:56:35 Speaker 4: And him and him and Charlie are like down here just listening, and Mica is like, you'all are scared. 00:56:42 Speaker 1: I'm having to get up here and get the sounds. 00:56:45 Speaker 3: That's a good video. 00:56:46 Speaker 1: You should watch it if you tell it. 00:56:48 Speaker 4: But Uh, anyways, I think that would be a neat test because I truly believe that's that's why deer jumping strings is the sound of the arrow and slower arrows are quieter, So you got that going for you. But faster arrows get there faster, and so I don't I don't really know if one is better than the other for jump tell you the truth. 00:57:12 Speaker 1: I can tell you this. 00:57:14 Speaker 4: I shot out a deer this year in South Dakota, and he like flinches a little bit and then doesn't move it all. With a really fast arrow, that's a very fast arro. It's like probably two eighty five or more, might be two ninety. 00:57:28 Speaker 1: And then that's why I don't personally think that the arrowflight is what does it because he didn't flinch. Well, not just because of him, but other deer that have done the same thing that we videoed. Uh, we've been video and you know, high resolution slow motion camera capabilities for a few years now, so we go home, we get to see it now. 00:57:51 Speaker 2: I just think that there's too many factors to say this is exactly what it is, yes, and I hate to be that guy, but the deer's mentality in the moment matters so much. 00:58:01 Speaker 1: I think so too. I think it's it's hard to tell, but I feel more inclined to say that it is not that the aeroflight doesn't affects sometimes, but like that most of it is the bow going off. But that's just my unresearched opinion. 00:58:19 Speaker 4: So I can tell you that the other night we were doing some hog hunting and. 00:58:28 Speaker 1: Y'all had left to go spook some pigs, and then. 00:58:31 Speaker 3: You came back and spooked our pigs. 00:58:35 Speaker 1: Y'all, y'all pigs, I know if I would come it. Sorry, it's just pigs, right. It was all fun. 00:58:42 Speaker 4: But I noticed that we could hear you at probably one hundred, one hundred and twenty yards, but it wasn't what I would call an alarming sound until you got too about fifty. Like if I was, say a hog rooting around, I wouldn't have perceived you until fifty. 00:59:01 Speaker 1: So there might be a little something to that. As far as man, you could go off a deep end with this stuff. But like I wonder if there's some sort of like you know, there's just weird things right in nature and that kind of thing, Like, what if there's some almost like something about the molecules within the molecule within the air that hex suits are for something like that, it's a hex dealer, you know whatever. It's kind of like have you ever seen when people put sound visualized? So they put like sand on a on a plate and then they run sound through it makes these different patterns or whatever. It's like, what if there's something in the air and the molecules that like, at a certain point of distance, all of a sudden, it breaks through some sort of Yeah, I don't know how to explain it, but it's like, for whatever reason, it's like super subtle until you get to fifty and then it's like what is that? It's like a big jump all of a sudden. So there'll be a lot of different opinions on things. And I'm not actually stating an opinion. I'm just going to tell you what somebody told me. One time. 01:00:05 Speaker 4: We had a deerly down in South Texas and there's this old Mexican man down there who was the goat tender. And if you ever get to talk to a really older Hispanic fella, they're worth talking to you because they've seen like some different cool stuff. And he said that that part between a deer's hoof right there, it's called some sort of a gland, but he thought that interdigital Yeah, that's right, the interigital gland. He thought that they felt vibrations through that spot, and that's why when a doe is smelling you, she goes to stomping because she's trying to clear that out and like kind of give a fresh palate to it or something like that, which there's probably no scientific backing for that, but I thought it was neat because he had like a formulated hypothesis as to what was going on, which I would imagine that was something that he inferred in also discussed with other people throughout the years, So it was. 01:01:03 Speaker 1: Kind of cool. 01:01:03 Speaker 4: That is interesting, which kind of goes with what you're talking about as to, you know, can they feel you? 01:01:09 Speaker 1: The sixth stints thing? I guess there, Who knows? Is there something man that? Like? I don't know. Yeah, it's it's it's interesting. You know, you were there. 01:01:38 Speaker 5: Uh she looked my direction when I drew, but. 01:01:41 Speaker 1: She wasn't on alert before that. No, Yeah, interesting, Well, find your air? 01:01:47 Speaker 5: Yeah, found my Are you go? 01:01:48 Speaker 1: Did you shoot it again? 01:01:50 Speaker 3: No? 01:01:52 Speaker 5: That broadhead's kind of toast. 01:01:54 Speaker 1: Yeah, that'll have it. 01:01:55 Speaker 5: That arrow should be good. Uh. That was pretty much the highlight. 01:01:59 Speaker 6: Of the the first trip. And I saw some good bucks on the first trip, but nothing really close. But decided to go back down there after we all left, and I was literally just trying to shoot a dough. Just I only shot, you know, one white tail this year, and so I was like, I'm just gonna shoot a dough. In the first evening, I go out there and like, I get a dough at like twelve yards and I'm trying to draw back and I'm trying not to just like flail into my back wall and like move a lot. And as soon as I get to my back wall, I hit and bounce off and let down. 01:02:41 Speaker 1: She freaks. 01:02:44 Speaker 5: I started laughing, immediately. 01:02:47 Speaker 3: Gave her the JP. 01:02:51 Speaker 5: She freaks out, runs off. I'm like, crap. 01:02:55 Speaker 6: And so the next evening evening, I'm getting the same wind as we forecasted. I'm like, I'll just go back to the same spot, only spook that deer again there and try to shoot another dough. When I get down there, the wind is complete one point eighty doing the exact opposite of what they called. 01:03:13 Speaker 5: And I'm like crap. 01:03:15 Speaker 6: And so I had this X I put on uh marked on the map for I think I saw it. I marked it December second, twenty twenty two, and I had never been there, and I was like, well, I think that'll work on this wind. And so I headed out there and got set up. And as soon as I got set up, I heard something and I think I think it was a buck heard me setting up and thought I was another buck and start raking his antlers and so I gave him a grunt and just shut up, and you know, gonna hopefully see him here in the next you know, a few minutes. But I keep hearing the noise just ever so often, and uh, it was probably thirty minutes after I first heard him. I see him, and I can tell off the bat. It's a pretty good buck. And he does exactly what that buck you had. He was just feeding as slow as possible and I probably watched him for thirty to forty five minutes just feed inside sixty yards. 01:04:24 Speaker 1: It's unnerving. Yeah, yeah, especially when you're by yourself, I bet. Yeah. 01:04:29 Speaker 6: And it's a lot better when you're not freezing to death. We were cold. Yeah, it's a weird deal. In the mornings. 01:04:38 Speaker 4: They would get colder as the day pushed on because the wind would get up. 01:04:41 Speaker 5: The wind start picking up, and like we saw him so early, I didn't. 01:04:44 Speaker 6: Have a chance to put on my jacket yet, and bad we were both just shaking. 01:04:49 Speaker 4: Oh, I forgot to say that, so I don't get buck fever super bad. I get a little bit shaky before the moment. As soon as I draw I'm usually just locked in. This happened to me the year before, and it happened to me this year. I got cold and I'll just go to hoo just shaking bad. 01:05:10 Speaker 3: And then like as soon as the deer would start moving, I would just lock it in. I wouldn't shake because I thought I might be able. 01:05:16 Speaker 1: To get a shot soon. And then when he's stopp and eat it. 01:05:22 Speaker 5: Went on for probably we were both shaped bad. 01:05:26 Speaker 6: But this one at least it was like, you know, mid it might have been sixty degrees and I had just you know, hiked all the way back in there. I'm hot and sweaty, so like I had, I had a little shake going, but I wasn't like freezing, so it wasn't that bad. And so I was watching him for like thirty minutes, just feed down the I had a little pinch point kind of picked out in this thicket, and he was doing exactly what he's supposed to do, just walking right down the trail. I thought he was gonna pop out of like twenty five yards and I was just gonna smoke him. But when he starts getting closer, he starts veering off a little bit and I range. I range stuff right in front of him at like forty two, forty three, and he's like just behind that like forty five, Like I really want to shoot closer than that, because last time I. 01:06:14 Speaker 5: Shot forty five was not a good result. 01:06:17 Speaker 1: He can't just aim low whenever they're not there. 01:06:19 Speaker 6: Now you have to aim like where you're gonna guess they're gonna be. 01:06:22 Speaker 1: Yeah, but then you or something. 01:06:28 Speaker 5: But he was he was. 01:06:31 Speaker 6: Working his way out, and I was like afraid he was gonna get, you know, out past like fifty and I was like crap. But then he just took a turn and started angling my way, and I started hurrying and ranging stuff that he might pass in front of and I ranged this one little bush that was at thirty eight thirty nine is what I kept getting, and he stepped out right in front of that. I grunt stopped him right there, and I have my thirty five, So my thirty five shoots a little bit low, and I was guessing I'm at thirty six thirty seven, and I just put my thirty five right where I want to hit him and shot, and Aaron looks perfect left and right, and I hear it just smack into him and he starts crashing immediately. He but he starts crashing immediately and just like slams into this little peaky anyway, he starts crashing immediately, and like takes off these limbs on this bush right next to him that I arranged, and he's stumbling bad. 01:07:52 Speaker 5: He runs. 01:07:53 Speaker 6: I can hear him run off, and he's just stumbling the whole way, but I don't really hear him crash. And so I'm kind of worried about the shot, and so I give him an hour and decided to go look for blood. 01:08:11 Speaker 1: Michael still winkled over there, dressed for a blizzard. 01:08:17 Speaker 6: Right now, He's got the Wicked Witch of the. 01:08:22 Speaker 1: West exactly. 01:08:36 Speaker 5: Anyway. 01:08:37 Speaker 1: Anyway, anyways, he runs off. 01:08:39 Speaker 5: I don't really hear him crash. I'm not sure if I heard him crash. 01:08:42 Speaker 6: And I go looking for blood and there's not much blood at the scene of the shot. 01:08:50 Speaker 5: Yeah. 01:08:50 Speaker 1: Not. 01:08:52 Speaker 6: I was shooting a fixed blade and I was kind of, you know, expecting. 01:08:56 Speaker 1: This, and. 01:08:59 Speaker 6: I figured he ran, I would be able to see him where he fell, so I, you know, went out to where I could see back into where he fell and didn't see him when I first went out there. But then I was walking back to go get first blood, and I saw a white belly and nice, Yeah, how far do you go? Maybe one hundred yards. 01:09:20 Speaker 1: Man, so ran pretty far. 01:09:22 Speaker 6: Where'd you hit him? I hit him about as low as you can hit it deer and kill it. I hit him right through both front legs and uh, just inside the chest cavity, so he had holes in his armpits. I think it's hard in front of along. 01:09:38 Speaker 3: It's a lot like Tyler's Big Buck, the long shot that everybody knows about. 01:09:43 Speaker 5: Yeah, I would say it's even a little forward than that. 01:09:45 Speaker 1: Okay, but more forward. But did you hit the elbow? 01:09:48 Speaker 5: He? 01:09:49 Speaker 6: Uh, he didn't drop much on the shot, but he loaded up, and so I hit just in front of the leg. Boom, Oh really yeah it was that and hit the opposite side leg. 01:10:02 Speaker 1: How about that? That's neat so like the leg bone like below the elbow or above and forward of the elbow, you know what I mean. 01:10:11 Speaker 6: I think below the elbow, right below the knuckle, and just into the chest cavity. 01:10:18 Speaker 3: So you would you would say that you you hit him in like in front of the shoulder. 01:10:24 Speaker 1: But it's still a good shot because of where his body. 01:10:27 Speaker 6: If you look at the video, like the arrow looks great left and right, but when I walked up on the deer, the arrow is in front of his leg. 01:10:35 Speaker 5: Oh that's weird. 01:10:36 Speaker 6: Yeah, but it got in the chest cavity and I'm assuming it hit. 01:10:39 Speaker 4: Hert So you hit a deer square in the heart. You didn't get the heart outs. You don't know how much of it you hit or whatever? How far did your do your run? Seventy or eighty. 01:10:49 Speaker 1: The big one? Yeah no, he ran like forty or fifty. 01:10:56 Speaker 6: Okay, you hit that buck this year in Kansas in the heart and yeah, three hundred didn't. 01:11:01 Speaker 1: Oh he went forever. I was I was surprised when I shot him. I was like, oh that is is good. A big old broad head. Yeah, it's a big old dude. I mean, right before I cut my hand almost in half, I feel in that heart. 01:11:14 Speaker 3: I was like, man, I. 01:11:15 Speaker 1: Smoke this thing. 01:11:16 Speaker 5: He took the top of the heart off. 01:11:17 Speaker 1: Yeah, and he ran. I mean he ran a big loop. Yeah. 01:11:22 Speaker 4: I don't know if if there is any way to predict. 01:11:27 Speaker 3: I mean you can always say, well, it's not a good shot. So he's going very far. But like so many deer gets smoked and go far or not far. Yeah, you know, I mean he may have gone seven or eighty. I always I always thought he ran like fifty yards. 01:11:41 Speaker 1: Yeah, but it kind of rans runs at you. So it's kind of weird, like he dies closer to me than when I shot, than where I shot him at. 01:11:47 Speaker 3: But so that deer got hit in the harp definitely not lungs right where it was. 01:11:53 Speaker 5: I mean, isn't there a little bit of front along right there? 01:11:56 Speaker 4: It kind of goes up though, So I don't know. It just depends on how low or hwgh you hit the deer and where'd you hit your deer? 01:12:04 Speaker 3: Straight double loung straight on and it went forty, probably went sixty or seventy. Okay, straight up hill too. Yeah, I just think that do you just go further than what you see on TV? 01:12:17 Speaker 1: A lot of times. 01:12:19 Speaker 6: I think if you hit him in the heart, I mean, eighty nine percent time, they're gonna go less than seventy. 01:12:24 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think this is accurate. I don't know either. I feel like that heart sits ninety degrees the way it's sitting in there. 01:12:32 Speaker 4: Right now, we're looking at a a certain artist rendition, artist rendition of deer an enemy. 01:12:40 Speaker 1: There's a side view that's a little bit more accurate. I mean, if if that's if that's accurate, and that's that's you probably could get some long right in there. 01:12:49 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's about where I hit him. 01:12:52 Speaker 1: That's the elbow joint right there, or the elbow you know what you see on the deer from the outer of them, that's the elbow. 01:13:00 Speaker 5: I had him in front of that leg bone right there. 01:13:02 Speaker 1: In front of this one. 01:13:03 Speaker 5: Yeah, but he loaded up, so I. 01:13:05 Speaker 1: Think it's in a difference for the back. 01:13:07 Speaker 4: Yeah, and at that angle it doesn't take a lot of the leg move and to make that move back quite yeah. 01:13:12 Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, I think that we could. 01:13:14 Speaker 4: Do a whole podcast where we talk about certain shots we made on deer and talk about the anomalies within those shots, because there's a lot of stuff to that. I just I just so much go back to the thing of if you don't see him go down, just it's it is good to be cautious. 01:13:34 Speaker 6: That's how you were super cautious on this one, because I mean, he was stumbling so bad. 01:13:40 Speaker 5: I like, I figured he. 01:13:41 Speaker 6: He would still be over there one hundred yards and I could maybe get a second shot. But luckily when I saw him, he was he was done. It's good, man, And uh, what is this deer? This deer is a for where we shot? This is a is a big buck. Yeah, and this is the biggest buck I've killed on public land. And uh solid ten points just saw ten points, got weak brows but everything. 01:14:05 Speaker 5: He's got good beam length too. 01:14:06 Speaker 1: Yeah, what is He's cool? Man? Yeah. 01:14:09 Speaker 3: I would like to shoot one like that one day. It would be awes it. Yeah, yeah, dude, Texas deer challenging. I was telling Tyler the day I haven't shot a deer in Texas since January first, twenty nineteen. 01:14:20 Speaker 1: No, I take that back win a gun, but shot one with a gun the other day. 01:14:23 Speaker 3: But with about thirty it's been since then, which is crazy. 01:14:28 Speaker 1: But for one, the ant restrictions. 01:14:31 Speaker 3: Yeah, I guarantee you, the anily restrictions are hard with that, and then too, it's just they aren't easy to. 01:14:39 Speaker 1: Kill an the restrictions. They're wearing me out. 01:14:41 Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure. I have a six point on my property. He's been showing up at night lately. 01:14:46 Speaker 3: That is like eleven inches wide and he's probably four and he'll never be legal. 01:14:52 Speaker 1: He's cool. I'd love to shoot him. 01:14:54 Speaker 3: But he'll never be Not to change subject too much, but I've been seeing where people have been putting the word un live on Instagram a lot. 01:15:01 Speaker 1: Yeah, is that a thing? Are we? Are we getting rid of dead now because we get sensed? I think killed is a thing. Maybe these were in lieu of dead, the word dead, so I see it in lieu of But don't people like when they're like, oh man, that dude made me laugh really hard. I'm dead. 01:15:17 Speaker 3: Oh I'm dead. 01:15:18 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. 01:15:19 Speaker 3: It might just be like a trend, you know, like a trendy thing to say it's a dumb thing. 01:15:26 Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't we live in a dumb time. So like instead of saying, oh, he doesn't know what that's weird, I saw, you know, I saw this buck the other dawnside road. Somebody had hit him and he was unlive. 01:15:41 Speaker 3: I see unlived as in like in replace of killed. Like I see people talk about how their kids almost unlive themselves, like we're. 01:15:50 Speaker 1: Doing dangerous stuff or whatever. It is kind of a funny way to say it or whatever. 01:15:53 Speaker 3: But I think it comes from like it's it's like a trendy, funny thing to say that comes from. Uh, censorship, I think is where it originates from. 01:16:04 Speaker 1: Some TikTok probably probably oh yeah, them's where I see it all the Timesok, Okay, yeah, that's probably it. 01:16:08 Speaker 3: TikTok is weird and weird place for censorship. That's why X is where it's at. On X on X baby, get. 01:16:16 Speaker 1: On dropping X. Did you hear he did? Yeah? He put an X on the map, baby, and he was on the XI. That's right, dude, that's where you want to be on the X. Well, cool man, congrats on the big buck. Yeah, y'all, remember that hunting season never ends. Get out there chasing them pigs and Remember this is your element, living