00:00:00 Speaker 1: Hey. I'm Casey Hey, and I'm Tyler and you're listening to Element podcast fast man, So cune flat. What's happening to everybody? We are just some papa moose pepalls around here, Papa. If you don't know what that is, it is uh the British word for great fruit pumple mouse, which also might be French. I don't know, but it's weird. Um right now is my current favorite flavor of sparkling water. But you didn't come here for that. You came here for all. I like it a lot. Um. These polos are high class. They are m M American made. Yep, there you go, um, just like us. That's right. You can support American made by supporting the Element. That's right. Even if we do sell Chinese shirts, you have to name name an American shirt brand. Ain't happening. But y'all have been buying a lot of merchandise lately, and we really appreciate that. I don't tell you, Thanks um for all the support. Christmas to y'all. That's right. Merry Christmas, y'all. Merry Christmas to us. It's just that type of time of year. It's hot and sweaty. That's what we're used to. I think that I don't want to dive too far off into this, but people just have memory loss and that's the problem. They forget that it's the South in Christmas. Like this is like this christ play my whole life. You know, like if we have cold weather over Christmas, it's weird. It's not oh my gosh, it's eighty at Christmas, you know, like it's a thing that happens pretty often. I think the only time I've ever had a white Christmas. We're actually in New Mexico. We had ice Christmas one time when I was like nine. I remember, Yeah, those there does happen more and snow absolutely. It likes to rain at about thirty four degrees and then that night it gets down to eighteen and it turns into the worst. We actually can grow some really really big icicles, Yes we can. We grow good good things, man, lots of good things in here. Sometimes big deer, but usually not in this area. That's right. And uh, we grow lots of ice. We grow um tift and hay and all the nutritious stuff. Um we wanted to do, uh do some Q and A stuff today because you all have been send us a lot of questions of the last month. But first, um, Tyler actually has gone on in public land hunt believe it or not as little as we've hunted Texas public land this year. Uh. You actually have done a little bit of that lately. Yeah, A little bit with a big good descriptive, A little bit we Uh So me and Eric went down. I actually drew a hunt um that I don't know how big a deal it is because I think there's like two d dudes on every hunt that happens from this place. But it's the Laguna National Wildlife Refuge looking Atascosa, which when they if you call them and they answer, they say, looking to Anascosa, it's like the A on the end and the A in the beginning or one. It's kind of like the element. Yeah, that's what it is, Nascosa. And so anyway, uh we got I drew that archery deer um, and so I got a chance to shoot Neil guy while I was down there. That's what you get as well. So nil gay antelope. A lot of people um that are slightly more pale than their Texas brethren, such as Eric, Uh don't know what a nil gay antelope is, but it's a big antelope from India that weighs four to six hundred pounds. They call them blue bulls. The bulls are kind of bluish gray, kind of black. The cows are brown and they're they're really cool. They're built, real muscular. They've got a big old front shoulder and they stand kind of weird. Um, but they're they're very I've had them. They're very tasty, but I haven't had a ton of the meat, just a little bit at Jesse Griffith's place actually, But they have the reputation of being one of them like tastiest game, you know, table fairs out there. So I was really excited about that because I always I've always you grow up with Texas, you know, you know about Neil guy if you're growing up hunting for a long time. I mean, it's been something that's always been talked about. King Ranch is kind of the epicenter and um, they don't live like they don't they don't do well in freezing weather, so they don't live very far out of the Rio Grand Valley pretty much Lower Ring Valley. So um, there's a very specific region of them. And I got a chance to go do it. It's it's like I said, I don't know it's a big deal or hard to draw or whatever. But um, I certainly was glad to go down there and to have the chance. And so we took a kayak that Casey had. We had a three piece kayak. UM in the back. I took a e bike that my dad had. I was borrowing everything and then uh, some fly fishing gear. Took a whole thing of flies because you're going down to the lower the Gonna Madre, which is world class fishing for some of the you know, I guess you call it flats type stuff or whatever, you know. And um, I've always heard about it growing up, you know, UM reading the Texas Fishing Game articles and stuff about it just made me just like long to go down there and see sunrises, you know. And and it was even certainly a lot more wild years ago. And I was reading those articles, but you know, really cool area. When we got down there, UM took fishing stuff so that hopefully we can shoot something in the offish little bit and head out right. And I was really excited. It's it's Mexico. I mean, it's as far south in Texas as he gets, and you've been down there some family vacade there a lot. When I was in high school and when I was in college, it was like the place we go. Um, I really loved it. You know, it's a smart I learned to kind of surfish and then that kind of exploded for a few years there and did a bunch of that in a lot of different places. But um, South patreal and in particular is a lot of fun because it's kind of like got the Florida vibe in Texas, you know, where it's a you know, fairly pretty beaches and um water is nice a lot of the time, and the weather is always nice, and you know there's some slightly turisty type stuff around there. So it's pretty cool. Yeah, there's definitely it's a huge, uh spring break destination for Texas kids. Yeah, don't go, Yeah, don't don't. It's a I mean it's a mess. But like outside of spring Break, I imagine stays pretty. Oh it's chilly and it's a real family friendly outside of spring Break. Yeah, it's it's real cool and that whole there's a National Seashore there at Pottery. Actually, you gotta go in from Corpus, Togther national Sitate Shore, yeah, the other the um just like everything along the Texas border. It's there's a lot of gray area there, uh, including on South Padre Island, UM, north of Town is Land that is claimed but not really taking ownership of by a lot of private entities, and um the wildlife Refuge so um it's kind of open beach or whatever for the for the north there, but they have they take beach pass to get on the beach there, so I don't really know what the pass is for, but supposed to whatever. I still have the pass on my truck from Matagorda. UM. And there's jetties down there too at the south part of the island, so he can go down there and have some fun too. Yeah, I was really bond because I've never really been um, like I guess I been to Corpus a couple of times, been to Matagorda like those are pretty much my only I've been to Port O'Connor one time, you know. Yeah, it was cool. It's it's a it's unique kind of like Port Mansfield is pretty unique to you. Like there's some and there's even smaller Texas towns that you've never heard of that are like these little micro fishing cultures that there's like fifteen guys that live there or have a house there that e sleep and breathe. What goes on there. Yeah, it's cool, man, I mean I like the whole culture down there. And then but I've never been that far south. I ended up in Port Isabel, which was I mean it is it's within ten miles in Mexico, I believe, you know. I mean it is way down there, and can you see Mexico. Uh No, I don't think that's um, I mean from Port Isabel to space X it's probably eight miles as the crows flies like that, so that might not have just been a rocket up or something. Yeah, but so you go to um Brownsville and take the Boca Chica Highway and it takes you to space X down there pretty much on the beach like between if I think, if I know, that's right, it's between the Brownsville Channel and the border is where that how it is like it's kind of weird. Yeah, yeah, yeah it is. You know, it's a it's a whole different thing. And like that area, it's not just like close to Mexico. But it is like south of a lot of Mexico, you know what I mean, his way down there on the tip. It's actually, overall, from what I understand, not super sketchy. It didn't seem like it to me now. And now we were in some of them. We went to some little fishing communities and stuff in the area, and everything was real nice, you know. And why you rather be dire than al Passo? Oh yeah, El Paso is scary. Yeah, yeah, so it is scary. Um. But anyway, so I uh, what we did was we went down there. We had a few things to do on the way down. Uh, the day that we left, We're gonna leave a day ahead, and then there was a day of scouting that Erica and I could do together. And then um, he couldn't be on the refuge during the hunt because he didn't have a permit, you know, and so but we could scout together the day before. And so we got down there. The two days before we took off. We had a you know, pretty much had a flat tire. I found like a roofing nail at a commune store stop like an hour end and in my tire and it was holding are well and then I took So I took off, and I was gonna try to get to a tire place um in the next like twenty miles. And before I could even get ten miles down the road to start seeing a low tire come up on my deal and you know, it's just going, it's just going. So had to change the tire. We had to go to Walmart to get groceries, We had to go to Academy to get I was gonna get some hip waiters, and I was gonna get jetted Christmas President a couple of things. So like by the time we got down there was like thirteen hours, you know what I mean. It's a long wace. And so we get down there, we go. We get into this little, you know, cheap hotel. It looks pretty decently outside, but like I didn't have a dead bolt, log didn't have a hinge lock barely closed, like it would barely lock or know, uh catch or whatever on the door. And uh. We stayed, stayed the night, got up the next morning, went out and looking around looking for deer, and we did some video and stuff. Saw some alligators, saw all kinds of cool birds and and some deer and basically a long story short, we scouted all day. Uh well, we came back in the middle of the the day and we kind of like organized everything, and I was like ready to go as as organized as I've been since like Nebraska and I which you know, I was not saying a whole lot um because it's just become a gear explosion in my truck, but uh, I was ready to go. And we went out that evening looking and stuff and it's a little bit scout and got on boots on the ground a little bit and and then I saw some Neil guy out of the truck on the refuge. We were pumped, and I was like, I kind of like it kind of was like should I do this in the morning or what? You know. I got a text about eight thirty from my wife and her granddad has not been doing very well the last a couple of years, especially um, but he's been making it. And then a couple of months ago he basically became bedridden and uh but he was still like you know, I mean, he's can't do much, but he's like not necessarily dying, you know what I mean. And so I get a text from her that he's not doing well and basically talked to her and you know, long story short, Uh instead of telling the whole thing, Um, I went to sleep like a thirty I go to that early this time of year when I've been hunting, getting up early. And uh, she texted me at like nine thirty, like an hour after and he had passed away. And so I woke up at one thirty, and um, I couldn't sleep. So I looked over at my phone and saw that then I definitely couldn't sleep. And so we we talked at like you know, three in the morning. Her an idea, and uh, basically I decided that I would come home, you know. And I've been. I've been. I've turned in a couple of bands and done this element thing for several years now, and there have been times lots of times in my life where I have, um, like, when something like that would happen, I would kind of push it to the last minute and stay where I am and try to make the most out of a trip, you know. And she told me, she was like she's like just you know, She's like, you don't have to come home, just uh, you know, I'll let you know when we know when the funeral is going to be and you can be home for that or whatever. And I just decided against it because I've done that a lot, and I just didn't think that it was the right thing to do. Um. Not to mention her family has just done a lot for me, but I just wanted to be back for my family, be able to help anybody who needed help, whether it was like my my blood family or her family or whatever. You know. So I just wanted to be there to help run errands and take care of kids and whatever else. So basically, um, what I decided was that I would get up the next morning was the first hunt, the first day of the hunt. So I got up, I was get up the next morning, I would hunt and as soon as deer movement just kind of stopped, like it does at eight thirty in the morning or whatever usually, I was gonna hop in and take off and we're gonna head home get home that night. It's it's really about an ten hour trip or whatever if you don't have to stop it all the stops. So um we So what I decided is because so that really changed my plan from what originally it was gonna because we're gonna do something that's a really hard access and um, you know, make it a hard trip to get into. So anyway, we just decided to get out to this place. It's pretty close to us where we had seen yoga the night for and I was gonna have Eric dropped me off, and I was gonna go in and you know, right for daylight. So I did, and I go in and you and I talked about it. There's like a point of trees, so it's kind of like a transition where, uh it kind of like you see mesquites start out of this open salt grass country and then it just gets heavier and heavier back into thicker mesquites. And so I was gonna work that transition and kind of use the mesquites that are kind of open on the edge there to kind of work through because you basically have to hunt from the ground here or on a tripod. You can't like hang a stand. Um, So I, uh, I start working through some skeets. I get out to the point star it's getting light and I'm like, it looks like a dog right there, like a hundred yards. You know, this is just now getting light enough so I can see put my binos up she's there, you know, and I start working towards her, and she's like trying. She's like working Basically, she's working with the wind kind of quartered at her butt, and so I'm trying to work up ahead so that my wind doesn't blow into her nose. Right, it starts getting lighter and lighter, and I'm working as fast as i can without or seeing me. There's a little bit of wind, so I'm have a little cover. But essentially I get to fifty yards and I'm like, I'm like, man, I want to rip right now, you know, because I know, like if I can shoot, shoot now and get one, you know, I can get her packed out and be out on the road by eight o'clock you know where. And uh And so I like, I'm trying to get a range on her. I get her at fifty and uh I was like, man, that's far. I was like, if I could just cut the distance like another five or ten yards, that would help me a lot. And uh I, by the time I could even work any closer she was, she was starting to like hear me, so I'd stop. When she look up. She wouldn't. She never saw me, but you know, but then about all this happens with then about you know, fifteen seconds after I arranged her, she essentially just like starts really walking fast and gets my wind and so it's a game over at that point. But I'm like, I walk out to the edge of this these trees and stuff, and I, uh, I started glassing. There's deer all out and they salt grass flats, you know or whatever, and these are kind of small deer. It's you know, Texas coast line stuff, you know. Um, And anyway, I see a buck nosing dos around and I'm like, this is cool, you know. I get my binos fun and I can tell he's he's way off at first, and I can tell he's okay, but not my monster. And anyway, I'll make this also long story short. Um. He kind of works around, does and checks a few different small groups around and then starts working his way back to the thick bedding habitat that's kind of behind me. And I've been trying to work out into this open country doing like duck walks and stuff. I was so sore the next few days. Dude, Like when you had duck walked in a month or whatever, you start doing that, man, gosh, but so I it was pretty cool. Uh So anyway, he starts working back towards me. So I like, I kind of like aboard this one plan that I had moved back on the ground. I'm like working real low to the ground. I got some tall grass to my advantage in this one little patch, and so I get, you know, where he's like coming pretty close towards me. And I'm like this is good, you know. And so I get set up. I got my go pro sitting behind me. I'm hoping it's high enough. It turns out it wasn't high enough to get like the actual deer on on footage, you know. And uh, he comes out from behind this tall grass and I'm trying to stay low. I'm literally behind them a ski that's like three feet tall. So it's got too it's just two prongs, you know what I mean, like the size of your finger. And uh. And so I don't have much cover, and so I'm staying low. And that's I took my backpack off and my go pro off, and that's why it was low, just to help my profile. Well, he comes out and I finally get him ranged. I have to range right over the top of his head because I'm noticing my range finder shoots a little low and uh so I range over the top of his head. It hits his head and he's forty six and I hit him again forty five and I'm like, okay, I'm like, I shot a deer in Kansas at fifty I feel okay about this. So I, uh by the time I get clipped on or put my range front down and get clipped on and draw, he's he's as soon as he comes out at grass. He kind of notices me, but you know, hey, he's a refuge geer. He's a two year old buck eight point and uh see, I was in the grass, so like, I mean, I did have a pretty good cover right there, but beside me and I'll staying low and so anyway, he kind of just starts moving on. I clip on. He looks at me, and uh then he starts walking again. He's just walking. He had actually walked towards me a little bit, and I didn't think about this. All this happened so quick, you know, Like that is the motif of it is, man, It's it's in so hard to make you have the best decision all the time. You have to like it's almost like we could spend all offseason shooting her bows and working on gear and all this kind of stuff, or we could just do brain games to like increase our processing speed, and like there's something to that. Like being able to process and take in as many variable as possible and calculate things in your head is a huge part of what. Dude, it's a funny funny that you say that Kaylie got jet this. Um, I think I told you about this little three pong ball and it's like it's like a peace sign without the hour circle, and it's got a ball on each hand that's red, yellow or gray. In the middle it's got a black ball, and so you toss it up to your friend and you call out a color and he has to catch it by that color. And me and Eric played it for like forty five minutes one day, and like talk about brain game processing quickly, Like that could help. I don't know, I mean it might be worth like knocking around when we should just the whole crew just get boppets for Christmas. That's another one. It's the same concept, you know, but that's that's the truth, man. And so anyway, um, by the time I get drawn. He he has walked to me. I bet close to five yards, you know, like a deer does when it sees somewhere to walk towards it for a second get a better perspective. But then he had gone back out, you know, and was parallel to me broadside, and so I draw my bow. Of course he stops, and I'm thinking forty five and if you know, let me go ahead and just give all the disclaimers right here. I'm thinking forty five. Um. What I should have been thinking was Texas white tail lightning fast, forty five yards, shoot low right, But instead I'm shooting, like, oh, he's at forty five. So I'm holding a little high with my forty and which is dumb, right, It's dumb. I'll just saying, I was so mad at myself. But anyway, Uh, I'm holding and I'm like, you know, I feel good. Pull the trigger and arrows going, and I hit him and it hits a little high, um, you know, like I don't know, I don't know, Like I don't want to be the guy that's like TV personze. Oh it's a little back and it's really like right in front of the hind quarter or whatever. I mean, it was a little high, but it wasn't like just a little bit. But it also wasn't like way up you know what I mean? Was it like tree stand perfect? Would you say? Yeah? It was pretty Yeah. I mean like if I was like fIF yard tree stand shot, it'd be a pretty damn good shot. Um, but it was and it was a touch back. But I thought, I thought longs for sure, and I'm shooting a big monster three blade and when it hits, yeah, I thought you were shooting the tube blade. Shooting a big old three blade. When it hits it left a dag on baseball hole in this thing and blood animal. Yeah, he hit his his spine. And the time was like, mean, why didn't hit the spine? You know, I mean it wouldn't you know, it wasn't super high, but like I'm just saying, with the size they are down there, you know, like that's that's one of the Really you don't shoot a big three blade because you're shooting big animals. It's kind of the inverse, right, you shoot a big three blade because you're shooting a tiny animal that can move a lot, and you want as much like cutting surface for a margin for exactly. So anyway, he leaves out with a huge hole bleeding. He takes off straight away so I can't see the hole and see if it's bleeding necessarily, And he goes straight away and makes this big looping turn to the left like and I can watch him for a hundred and fifty yards probably, and he finally gets to the trees. Not for first of all, while bright before this deer, I had worked out towards this deer, and he had started working towards me. Um, some dude let off a guy, a hunter at the road where I had been let off, And I'm standing there in blaze orange, at like four hundre yards off the road, and I'm like, please see me. I'm like standing out like beside a tree, thinking the deer probably can't see me because they're way off. But and he never saw me. And so this dude is working towards me, and the whole time I'm thinking he's about to mess this deer up, you know. Well, so when this deer makes a big hundred and fifty yard loop, he runs right in front of the dude that's coming towards me. And so the deer goes and as soon as he he kind of hits the brush and like a split second later, I hear a crash, and I'm like, holy smokes, it just this just happened. This is awesome. You know. I was so pumped. I couldn't believe that I went out and, like, you know, forty five minutes shot a deer and was gonna get to go home. And it's not like completely have this tag and money kind of go to waste essentially, and uh so this guy kind of works through. I called you, and then I went over to talk to this dude who it ran right in front of, and long story short on him, he didn't have a clue hin know that he even know I shot the deer. He just thought I guess the deer was running as fast as it could, like it was death running. I mean, like every deer you ever double long shot is running right, and uh just busting into the brush like seventy five yards in front of him or whatever, and I was like, man, damn, he couldn't help me at allways. Oh yeah, I think he was back there like fifty yards or whatever. And uh he kind of dissed me for shooting a two year old a which is completely legal. But uh, then I think he felt bad after I told him my wife's granddad had passed away and I had to leave that day, and so he kind of backtracked on that. But anyway, the uh, the I was like, you know, talk. I talked to him for all of three minutes, and um, he got a call from his buddy. They were doing like a drive or whatever. He got a call from his but it wass a bunch of deer up there, you know. And so he's like, come on, and I was like, no, I just shot I just shot a buck. I'm gonna go look for that. He told me, come on, let's go, and I was like, no, it's fun. I just shot a buck. I just told you that, Like, I'm going to look for the buck, right and so, um, I was like I kind of I didn't say that, but I was like, yeah, I'm just gonna look fist buck right here, man, good luck, you know whatever. And and I'm talking like as we're departing, it starts raining hard, and um it rained off and on for the next two hours and I never found my arrow because it hit a jack rabbit and went four more yards, you know what I mean. Like literally I guess that I didn't look super hard, but I looked like I looked everywhere. He was in like fifty yards by fifty yards, you know what I mean. They didn't find it. And this this is pretty tall grass but not terrible. Um. And then um, I went and started grid searching and I walked. UM. I told Eric at ten picked me up. We got to go home. And I shot the deer like before seven thirty probably, so basically it was like seven fifteen a thing. So for almost the next three hours, I walked almost three miles and did just loops where I had known he had gone into the brush. Its thick mesquites and cactus and uh native grasses that are anywhere from two to four ft tall. And this deer is probably a hundred and twenty pound deer. And I didn't find him, and I was it rained, and I was so I was soaking wet. I was trying to video a little bit. I was going through under all these branches and getting hung everything, these little mesquite trees with thorns. Everything's got thorns on it, and I'm walking in snake boots because you know, it never freezes there, so there's always rattlesnakes around and that's kind of that, that's kind of what you do down there is where snake boots and uh yeah, I walked a long ways and never found him. And I told Casey, you know, this is the kind of inside stuff that you get when you listen to the podcast as a post to maybe just kind of send us on YouTube whatever. But I told you see, I was like, man, you know, we could put this video out and probably get raged by some people. And I think a lot of you guys listening out there understand and have been in this situation, right. But there's a bunch of experts on YouTube that have killed all that here in the world that can tell you what you did wrong and everything. Even though I just told all of you what I did wrong, you know what I mean and so and and it happens in a split second, and like you said, the processing so fast and overload your brain. And you get better and better at it the more you do it, but you still always have moments if you're excited about this that overwhelmed you and you don't make the right the right shot of the right call. And that's what happened. Basically, you're the only one that happens to you know, all those guys from North then't have that problem, even though John Eberdhart finds a broadhead shot. You know, none of those guys ever comment on YouTube no one there has ever missed here every wounded one. Huh but no, I mean, it's it's tough as a hard of bow hunting. But it makes such a cool video for y'all to see, Like it was really we got some cool footage because Eric was there. There was alligators, we saw whooping cranes. I'm pretty sure. It's another aspect of this that um we probably should cover, is like you can't get a dog because it's no federal property. You can't get Eric because no other people are allowed on the property, your grid searching. Technically, you could sit there for another two days and wait on buzzers to show up, and then you don't. You don't have food. I mean's gonna be ruined within two or three hours anyway, it's gonna be. Yeah, it was. It was like eight years of high that day. So what the game board and says that they lose a lot of deer down there, that's just I mean, and that's the thing is guys, um, you know, I mean, I don't have to justify the scene of you. But if if you ever run into a situation where people are real, you know, anti kind of types that hate the deer loss and stuff like that. There are so many kai oats and bobcats and even awful lots down there, you know, and so like those deer aren't just going to waste. They still feed the biom down there, you know. And if anything, if if that's a great point to bring up, if you care about the area in nature and all, wouldn't you rather be killed this deer and leave it there so that the nutrients can reabsorb into the That's right, you know, you want me to extract the resource or leave the resources, you know, because guess what, guys, every deer that has ever lived has died, So yeah, they're gonna die something. I don't know the stats, but I would imagine that violent death over um lay down next to a creek and pass away in its sleep is about one million to point five, you know, Like it's not something that really happens, it's just it's just and like we're sitting here talking to hunters, so you know, I know you guys understand, but it's it's frustrating because you know, like had just not gotten the shot off, or had I just said, you know what, I shouldn't shoot, you know, forty five yards out of Texas deer um then just videoed him. It would have made for an awesome video for her to watch. But now the video has to pretty much end with me like shooting a deer and not finding it. And I mean I have I would say a pretty good albi. And the fact that it rained for two hours within five minutes after I had to leave and I had to leave and he didn't have to leave, it be a little bit different. But here's the deal, dude. We left after ten I mean it was warm and getting warmer. I mean, Okay, I can search for another hour and maybe find him. Maybe I've already been searching for three so probably not. But if I do, then is he still good? I don't know. Yeah, you know, And so at what point is it acceptable for me to leave that trail? I want to find the deer, but you know, I wanted to I wanted, you know, to take the meat home and the antlers, and you know, and I just I just I'm just letting you guys know. I told k C s a man, I just should have should just video the deer and just made a cool video. And I think it's cool. But I felt I mean I literally, like a month prior, had shot a deer at fifty in the heart, and so I felt good about shooting a forty five. You know, well, and there an anything wrong with your shot? You said you held high and forty right. It's about like if you were shooting a target, you would have hit it where you probably wanted to. But that's a deer that moves and you put your forty high, which means you're forty five is where it's supposed to be. But really, you know, it's more of the learning process of shooting a deer that's d supposed to plus you know, like and then, um, I think that people don't really talk about very much. I had the same thing happened in South Dakota. Hit a deer higher than what I wanted to, but it wasn't too high, right. Um, when you're on the ground shooting in tall grass, there's a subconscious thing that I think you do where you hold a little higher because you're worried about clipping the tops of the grass that might be and the grass like that. Man, Yeah, that's a that's a that's a thing. You know. It's it's real hard to um. I mean God just made things this way right where a lot of times the grass is about, you know, halfway up an animal's body. Um, and uh, it's hard to hit the lower third like you're trying to whenever the grass is that way from the ground. If I have held herd with the forty, I would have killed that deer dead or I mean I think I killed it stattey. Yeah, he was dead. I feel like I feel like I got the top back of the lungs. That's what I feel like. But in on tiny deer like that, they just can't take I can't take it really though, Like, um, you know, the smaller animals just can't absorb very much, you know. I mean the dude was dude. I've seen a lot of deer run off after getting shot, and he looked like he was dying. I kept thinking he was gonna fall the whole time. He was just head down so low, just ripping through and uh, I kept thinking, oh, he's going down right there, and then he would get back up, and you know, he's going down there, and he went into the trees and then just a huge crash at like two yards away. I could hear him crash. I don't know, maybe he was just busting through brush, but whatever it was, I didn't find him. And it's, uh, it's a hard thing for me to take because I don't I don't like that. Like I if I know that we get to shoot at a lot of deer compared to a lot of guys, right, but because we hunt so much and so we're gonna lose something, but I would like to you know, even if I shoot it five deer in a year, I'd like to not lose one, you know. I mean that's not really wound. Loss is a part of it, but it's not really an acceptable part of it. If that makes sense. Within our circle, we shouldn't accept it, you know. It's it has to be a parent. That's the thing that's gonna happen. Well, And this is something I told Hunter, um because hunters, you know, you guys kind of know Hunter through the videos and stuff a little bit and podcast, but he's been hunting with this a lot, you know, and he's part of the team and all, and uh, he's um, he has had a little bit of uh, you know, trouble when he missed that deer in South Dakota and stuff, and he's had some trouble. And I can remember saying to him, I think it's on the video, but it's like, you know, this is uh, this is kind of what happens like this. The way that we are hunting is pretty much we're making it as hard as we can on ourselves without using a trad bo you know what I mean, Like that's one of the only ways that could get harder. I feel like he knows using a trad bow. Yeah, yeah, I don't think that. Uh, that's the way I would put it though, because we're not like intentionally making it hard hard. It just yes, it's just harder. You know, Hunter and all of us have shot a bunch of deer feeders, you know, and stuff like that, and I just feel like a deer to feeder is uh, it's standing still all the time to aim at it. You don't you don't you didn't have to grunt stop it. You know, it's not on alert and you know it's not walking through a hole in the brush that you couldn't trim any wider because you're on public land. They wanted trim any limbs. Right, There's just so many variables that make it tougher and and the way we are doing it right now and we've been doing it. Um, hopefully in the future we canna have some private spots. We can trimp some lanes and just spoke some deer, you know. But anyway, that's just I mean, that's I don't think we need to keep going on and on about this, but I just wanted to kind of fill you guys in on the hunt because I don't know if the video will released or not. If it does, it might even be next year, next fall or something like that. Um. But it was a fun hunt, really cool area. I was very disappointed that I didn't get to go fishing and then I didn't get to spend much time there because it was a cool area. But um, it also was very long ways and very difficult I got I did. I did get a deer shot the first morning, but I think it is also still very difficult to stalk up on deer because I mean, you're either in like salt flats where it's kind of small, shorter grass, and it's hard to get close to them, uh to them, or you're in thick mesquites, you know, and it's like now your shots are at seven and eight yards, you know, and you can't see anything past fifteen yards or whatever, so it's difficult. I don't know, you know, I had to kind of think about it, you know, if I want to put in for in the future or whatever. But it was a cool hunt. It's a long ways just a lot of different things to think about in the future. But um, I probably would like to go back at some point. Not sure if it's next year or whenever, but but next May. How does next May sound sounds snaky? Maybe not the actual you're talking about on the beach. Yeah, that would be cool. Yeah, I would love that, Dade. I would really love to go because I mean, the way I understand it is, the further south you go on the coast pretty much the better the fishing gets, just because less people and other things somewhat, but overall for community is way higher. Lower. There's some uh interesting things about you know, middle coast, upper coast stuff like that, but overall, if you want to go down and feel a cooler I would love to feel cool. I love, so you know that's a that's another deal. But um, it's kind of specific though if you want to go down there and like safe fish to eat, Um, you don't want to go down there, just catch whatever and save it to eat, like trout, don't freeze worth you know, flounder do Okay, Whiting I never have frozen one because I eat them. So they used to get eating on spot, used for bait, so they're not that big, so you kind of eat the whole thing. Yeah, exactly. So that's um about thirty eight minutes worth of talking about that hunt. So that was longer than what I thought we would cover. But it's a good story. Man. Sorry it happened the way it did. But talk, that's all right. It's a good story and I like visualizing it all. So it's cool. Um. Uh. What we want to do with second part of this podcast is kind of go through some questions that you all have been sending us. Um, so I think you've got those ready to go. We just we'll just fire off and get get rolling on that. Okay. So these are this is our December Q and A. It's late season questions. Uh, there is some uh play in there. So it doesn't have to be about late season. But if you hear something and you're like, oh, what's the context, probably late season. So uh to rattle or not to rattle. I'm not gonna rattle at seven thirty am. I don't think as in uh too early to rattle. Just not gonna mess up the best part of the hunt. And I talked about this yesterday, like sometimes this time of year it's cool enough to where a dear doesn't mind moving some If you have a spot it high noon, you want to go, Yeah, see if one stands up. Yeah, that's kind of how I am too. Man, I've been real hesitant to rattle since about November. Um, are you gonna need to buy another freezer? I guess it's for either one of us. Um, we don't need to buy any more freezers because I got gifted a couple of old freezers. But if you hadn't been gifted, then yes, it would have had because we have got lots of meats and some horns antlers antlers for all you biologists. Uh, Midwest, no crop field edge? What area would you look for on a map? You go? You've hunted the Midwest? One and I have, Um, I would look for a place where multiple features come together, uh ideally like um, two creeks or a creek and a couple of fingers of ridge type stuff, or like hackberry ash river bottom flats, meats oaks. Um. What else I would say? If it's if it is truely the Midwest and you don't have an egg field to hunt on, you're not far from said agg field, surely, so you need to figure out drive around, do some glass in these fields and the evenings or whatever, figure out what feels the deer hitting, and then uh set up accordingly on your property to catch the deer that are going to that egg field. In fact, um, I haven't hunted a ton of field edges, but when I have, it doesn't go as good as I hoped. Um, so I would probably shot away from that unless it's you know, like cold and and that's the deer out there early. Otherwise, hunting them back in the cover headed tooth the egg is the way to go, should you find betting. If you don't have a food source for late season from mornings, yeah, I mean I guess you could find it for evenings too, But um, if you don't have a food source. I'm assuming you're saying you who don't know where a food source is, or are you just saying that you don't have a food source on your property that you know, I don't know. You need to know where they feed, like there has to be if you don't know where they feed. There are plays like this in the US. We have hunted and spend time. You don't know where they feed because there's red oaks everywhere or whatever, you know, and so it's like, I don't know, but this is a place where there's some and they're sign around. Don't eat the same thing every day. Yeah, that's another hard thing. I think just in general in my experience, it's harder to get in on bedding for evening hunts, but in the morning you just get there early and be ready for me to come back. I mean, yeah, if you can get some wind, you can get in closer to bedding on an afternoon or something. Um. I just think, um, probably you need to be looking for sign um if you like you can't if you don't know where betting is and you don't know where the food is, We'll find some sign hanging camera, hunt it and see what the camera tells you still hit scrapes late in the year, don't the teller they can because last year later than it is now, I killed a buck that was at it was working a scrape and they're video is online if you want to watch it. It's a Kansas public land buck actually. But um, you know what you can do though, like I said, is if you find like a pinch or something, it still could be good because um, you may not realize it, but it could be between betting or likely is between if they're signed there, between betting and maybe other betting potentially or food. So what you need to do probably is gets you something like the Multue Delta cell cams and you put that up like I said, you hunt and then you just monitor that over the next few days through the app on the multi mobile app, and thats what we do, and um, you know you can see if it's if there's daylight movement there, and if there is, then you can start to make assumptions about what's around. But more than anything, then you can hunt in that pinch and know that like you're not just hunting night sign Absolutely that's a big thing. Another thing that I think is pretty big for the late season stuff is being able to be mobile. Uh Like, if you sit somewhere and you've got a ladder stand and you're just like, I'm just gonna sit here, you can allow You're liable to spend a week just on your phone and looking at the occasional squirrel, you know, but if you can move around and eliminate, yeah, you can. You gotta eliminate spots half season because the later it gets, the more patentable they are. And if you ain't seeing a pattern, you gotta move. And that's where you know, saddle hunting and mobile hunting really comes into play, you know, like you we use those cruiters or saddle as a ton and that's actually I haven't been at a tree not in one this year. Last year you did a little bit, you hunted up tree stand and still wore a saddle. But um, I don't know if i've unless I've been on the ground. I don't think I've been at a tree stand this year either. Yeah, I think it's been all cruiser saddle that we Yeah, I didn't even hang one this year. Yeah, speaking of we're gonna be seeing him at a TA. He's gonna have a booth Yeah, there's a booth at a t A vector and cruiser got booth. Yeah, so uh, if you're there, guys, hollow Attison. I know it's not a show a lot of people go to, but we'll be there. Um. This might be from the world famous at cast and Catch. I know, I kill a buck. It might be. It might be from a while back. I don't remember. That's definitely from a while back. Yeah, Um, I said something different on one today. I think that's why I was saying that. Oh yeah, since she's something. Um, the best way to kill a buck late season, find you green field somewhere and cold weather too, cold weather. If you can get some really good cold weather, just that's when you should be there. Yeah, he's a gun, that's the truth. Especially if you're in Texas and you got an eight week gun season. That's right. Everybody's like, oh we got eight news, good man. It ruins our deer hunting. I'm like, oh, you should try to eight weeks. Yeah. They try to do some stupid stuff called and the restrictions here to improve the deer. It's like, listen, if you just made where not every buck got smoked that people wanted to smoke it would probably change it. Yeah, people are mad at us now. Sorry, no, yeah, it's I mean whatever, we love hunter opportunity. Uh, should you call during the late season if so, when I'm guessing we kind of hashed this already, but like midday is a good time to go rattling and stuff. Possibly, Yeah, I feel like grunt calls work pretty good late. Yeah, grunts are definitely good. You like that can call, don't you actually, because that you can like make that nose with your mouth pretty good And I did that. You're all back on something. You make all kinds of nose with your pretty good, right Yeah, Um, yeah, I would. I mean, yeah, grunt calls can be good. I think I think November twenty nine, we grount it in two bucks from way way away one time on public um and um, I mean last year when I shot that bucket scrape, they were grunting like crazy and then you know, Um, I think that grunt calls work better out of the heat of the rug because they're less zombie. Yeah. Yeah, in the heat of ruts sometimes so zombie they don't it's like they don't here. I would uh. I would also suggest maybe, like I don't know, I don't know how you do this actually, Um, like all the grunning content, like video content that you could look up would probably be something like crazy grown experience or whatever, and it would be some buckroar or whatever, youth like you from sevent Yeah, that happens. But like I've heard a lot more. Yeah, just little things that just are short and sweet and so like, if you're grunting, maybe you do a little more than ground, a lot lower than people give them credit for, too, grount more than people think that does bleat and like that is the thing a doe can do. But I've heard does grunt a ton this year. But it's always that you're like when you hear it, like you kind of wonder which dear it actually came from or because they don't move through looking behind. Yeah they are, yeah they are. So I would suggest not doing it, you know, and stuff like that. I mean, you know, granted that's the way to be heard sometimes. Um, let's see what terrain features should be focusing on during the late season. Creek bottoms. Creek bottoms, um, I mean thick thickets would be more than anything. It's not how much the terrain. Yeah, yeah, like like thick, and honestly like the later it gets, the more confident I feel, and hunting far from the road or from the access, I just feel like bucks get into a thicket wherever hunters have not been, and that's where they stay during the day. A lot of times tickets are on UM in the northern Hemisphere, they're on north facing slopes too, so you know you can't keep that in mind. Those things kind of correlate and UM in a warmer late season, like we're having deer have their winter coats on and they can get hot midl of the day, so you know that shade on the north side is a pretty big deal. Yep, yep, UM. Sorry that we didn't maybe cover too many terrain features, but uh, more than anything, I think just being secluded. UM discuss techniques in which you can use thermals to your advantage. Mornings Sunday Sunday mornings. Sunday mornings work. UM. Hunting on the tree closest to the water as you possibly can on a creek works pretty good. That's a UM like a low wind situation. If you've got like one of those super still late season evenings going or mornings, the water is always cooler, so it'll kind of draw your scent that direction. Um, anytime the wind is low is when you can use thermals. When the winds kicking, it's kind of hard to use thermals. Um, but if you can get like if you could even get we've we've seen where like I don't even know if this is necessarily a thermal action baby wine. When we get like a ten ten mile out of the north or whatever, it blows up against a hill and kind of shoots it up, and so Erica had Eric and I had the Erica, Yeah, America. Eric and I had the same thing happening the other day in Oklahoma. Same deal. The wind got Uh, it wasn't great once the deer got past us. But when whenever the wind was like higher than twelve it was strong enough that we were on the incline and our milk we would just go straight out over the top of the deer for like eighty yards. You know. That's also like another thing to think about um in thermal's is like if you're in an afternoon, a lot of times you have like a hot three or four o'clock and then it'll cool off in the evening. So like you need to think about when are these deer most likely to come by me in the late season. It's it's usually late, but you know, if it's cold, you might get some early movement. And if it's cold and sunny, then your thermals might stay relatively high for until the sun kind of sinks below the horizons. So if you can get them killed before the sun gets too low, if you think they'll come by you you're close to bedding or whatever, you know, you can take your chances. It's late season. It's kind of what do you have to lose? Kind of thing? Um when you come across awesome sign? How do you find the kill tree? What's awesome sign? Because does I mean buck signed this time of year? Somebody asked this in a different version and it might be on there later, but like this this time of you're awesome sign? Is a good trail? I think to like, if I find a good trail that has fresh tracks, you know, hopefully you get rain every four or five days this time of year, so like you had you know, if it's been dry, it's like how long has that trail been there or whatever? You know, but this time of year, and we had rained a couple of days ago here, and you know that all the tracks you see you're fairly fresh, so a good trail. Um. Then I say follow that back to the thicket, and then that's where you find the killing tree. Yeah. I mean, if this is like a general question, like like you said, I mean, you can find a fresh scrape this time of year two Like the scrapes I found there in Kansas last year. I knew they had been being used. They weren't like scraped out too much, but they didn't have leaves laying in them either. But they weren't like it wasn't it didn't look like something they had just ripped it, you know what I mean, Like it was just kind of but there were tracks, you know, that were fresh, and so I knew that they had been standing there licking the licking branch and that's what they do later. They don't really get all fired up p and in them and stuff. So that's something else. But like if you're just talking generally, when it comes to sign throughout the year in the rud or whatever, if you're looking at you know, scrapes, rubs, uh, you know whatever, um the killing tree, Uh, you kind of get a feel for like how high you can get with three or four sticks, and then you can see these trees and go, oh, there's a spot where I can stand right there and get shots you know, out on whatever side of the tree, depend on yourself, if your saddle hunting or staying hunting or whatever. And the killing tree, to me, I like to get that thing is dying close to the whatever sign that I feel like they're going to be using as possible if it's a scrape, you know, I I want to be ten or fifteen yards from that scrape and have an assumption to where they're coming in from and shoot them before they get there kind of thing, and you know, use it if you're for us. This is hard because we have a cameraman. We can't both hide on one side of the tree. But as a dude that's just hunting in a saddle, like you can hide as that deer comes in around the tree and they're just lean out and shoot the deer when he's twenty yards. So being close isn't too big of a deal. Um, But that's kind of that's what I always think about. It is like, man, I ain't trying to put my uh, killing tree. I'm not trying to hunt forty yards from the scrape or whatever. So and sometimes you know, you can't really make that work very well. But I would rather hunt a smaller tree that's you know, twenty yards then hunt a big tree that's thirty nine or something from the scrape, you know, Yeah, as long as it's within reason of the smallness of the tree. Like, the more I do this, I'm cool with hanging in a small tree if that's what it takes to kill. But I like a tree that's you know, twelve fourteen inches in diameter. That way you can do a little bit of hiding and you look a little bit concealed, you know. I actually don't like hanging any tree in a tree that's much bigger than two foot around. It's like not much fun. Yeah. Yeah, it's hard to see around, it's hard to work around, hard to get shot. Sometimes, you know, you're taking out you know, seventy degrees if you're shooting just because there's a tree in the way. How does the saddle fit with a lot of layers. I had to wear a lot of layers this year. I just do, yeah, I don't. I also put my saddle on underneath some of my layers, which you don't do. Yeah, I wear my saddle under my Uh yeah, I didn't know that. Yeah, yeah, So I just leave my like I have a roles and I just leave them open and my saddle just peeks through. Do you have a bottom zipper? Uh? Yeah it does, but I don't. I don't do it that way. I usually just leave it open and then have a jacket on or whatever. You know, if I need more up top, and I'll just add jackets. So but like, I'll go underneath my cover, rolls through the you know, big old zipper on the front. So I think that as um things continue, you will start seeing brands make saddle specific stuff. Waiting on somebody to do that. Man, I need to you know that we need to do it. Yeah, we should probably do it because I'm tired of these camera companies. Uh let's see, um boy, Boatner says, does culin work culling of calling glast Year or calling the gulf of any of these guys? Uh um, no, okay, but what it depends on what you're trying to do. But what do you think I like to shoot deer? I mean, if you wantever you whatever whatever you can do to justify shooting the deer. Do it. Yeah, he's two years old, he's a ten point about one forty. He's a cold. Let me tell you. If you just wanna just see the gamut of that stuff, get on one of them East Texas hunting things on Facebook Texas period. Yeah, and they're like, oh yeah, man, this is it's a seven point five year old. You know he's cold. And yeah. Here here's the thing is what the term cold doesn't necessarily apply that you're improving the genetics though. I mean like a cole is just to take something out. Yeah yeah, but right, well yes, but in the sense of whitetail that's what everybody's saying it for. You ain't improven genis on nothing, bro. Just like you can't improve your own genixs, you can't improve the deer genetics either. So that's that's kind of what he's enquiring about or I don't know if he's necessarily inquiring about it or just get throwing us a bone, But that's kind of might be messed with us too. You know, you never know about boner shoot, I'll call him, Uh, y'all gonna kill any Texas deer this year. This is from your boy, Michael Presswood. You killed one. I did, I just didn't find him. Nope, coming up a joke. That's all right, I passed one. It's the other day because of a r that I probably shouldn't have. Yeah, well I haven't even passed one at my property this year. You remember that ranch Buck, that video called ranch Buck. There's a whole series that we didn't. Yeah, that's over with. It's calling one off. When you've got people that just come in and shoot every deer around you, you then sell your property. Yeah, crowd bunch. I think I'm just gonna make a mobile home park out of it. Act Um hunting Mark Twain last week in December. What kind of food are deer eating in late season? There's some beans around Mark Twain? Is there? Yeah? Photos was you know how to say in the South, and so I think they're here to Mamie see it. That's how I looked for Yeah, up there, I think i'd I don't know enough about it. I don't guess we mean, we just scouted it. Yeah, I just don't know what it looks like. In January, there are they hitting Greenbrier red oaks, maybe. I'll bet you that place looks a lot different than when we were there. I guarantee it does. I bet you it looks like it's I mean it's mostly you know, old growth timber. It's gonna look real open. Yeah. It was really thick when we were there because of the ticks. They were just so thick you could even see. I couldn't see through the ticks. They're just waving their arms out at you. But as far as like natural forge, I don't have a clue. I would assume if you can find swamp or were willowaks that have the real red orange acorns, that that could be something this time of year. Um. Yeah, sorry, I don't have a whole lot on you for that or however you say that, Uh, what are you looking for an open country? I don't know where to start. Oh, I mean at Laguna. Uh. I was just looking for edge of some sort and so like I found that in Mesquites and then like there was a it was a huge open flat that I was on. You know, but there are like patches of you'll find this anywhere from the plains to all the way down to the Gulf Coast plains where I was at you know, like you'll find these patches of grass that are a foot taller than everything else, or a plum thicket that's you know, four foot taller than everything else, but it's still not very tall. It didn't look like much from you know, looking out on it. But that kind of stuff. And then um, you know like if it's uh, if it's pretty fairly hilly, um, they'll go around the tops of drains and stuff like that. You know, so you gotta think about that. What else am I missing? I think that the the key that I think you just talked about his maps, gutting works eat in open country so you can do that stuff a lot, and things you can really focus on. Is anything that's different than the monotony. Yeah, you know, so like it's like you said, if you know you're in kind of open prairie country in this one area is like a creek kind of depression type thing, it's gonna have a little bit different type of you know, brushingage or whatever. Yea, there's gonna be a ton of deer in there. Also, visual seclusion from Rhods is pretty pretty key, I think as well. I'm gonna roll two questions together here So we've got one on Instagram that kind of goes like this, but best late season North Texas food sources. Um so um the one, the one that I'm rolling together is kind of like, what shall we be looking for in North Texas? Um? Briars, privots, privots, honeysuckle? Wait, if your oats, if you can find it on private? Hey feel about ryegrass, like just kind of naturally stuff like road ditch stuff. They eat it for sure. It's targeted. It's hard because it's kind of widespread. Yeah. Um, I mean they didn't say public, did they No? I guess it corn corn would be pretty good, or pile of corn would be good. Um. Yeah, you might still find a few persimmons around you gotty persimmons in your tree steel? I don't think so well. I hadn't. I hadn't noticed him, but I hadn't been looking for him. I saw somebody posting I'm actually in a persiming group on Facebook, and a guy posted that there were still some hanging at his place. Yeah. Um, oh, red oaks. You know, swampings too, especially if you want to shoot pigs. Uh. What wild foods are edible in western North Carolina do your turkey quail here you go. Yeah, those are all those are good ones. Uh. Can I come hunt over a food source with y'all? No, because we don't have one. Uh. What's the best sell filming camerly? This combo? And how much does it cost? Um? Going right here in my hand? That's right. Telephone We actually have friends has been doing that quite a bit. I hadn't alreadydy called a telephone in a while. Dude, Sorry, man, cut three x thirty three. Those are all pretty good. You don't have to buy a lens. It's a cam quorter. Yeah. The only thing is that doesn't take pictures. If you're a picture like photography, you want to do them both. You can't do that with that. But I would go with one of those cam quorters, you know, eight hundred bucks or so cannon vixia uhum, I think or something like that. Um. What are you looking for other than tree diameter on rubs? Hight um? Relation to other stuff? You know, like you find a big rub in a road ditch that's got you know, Gray's land on one side of the road and win or wet on the other. He did that about two am, you know, so also, uh, this whichever side it's like most rubbed up, you can tell which direction they're kind of coming from. So I in Arkansas this year, I made assumptions about, um, which direction deer we're moving based off of the closest food source, and um, what side of the tree these two rubs were on on the end of his finger, So you know, I could assume that deer coming down this kind of sloping finger of a ridge and staging up right at the end of it before they get to the creek as like you know, pre staging to go out to a food source. So I could tell which direction they're coming from, which helps which helps me to find the kill tree. So um full size decoy or heads up be situation, Yeah, you had much successfully either of them. You have had a few deer come into the full size that have had a deer react um not negatively or positatively to the heads up. This year, I feel like I just still need to get better at using that thing. And it's one of those deals, just like a lot of other types of hunting scenarios. It's, uh, you gotta do it a lot to get good at it, and it's like hard to put yourself in that situation A bunch, Yeah, yeah, I think the the also the thought of mobility, Like you know, you can't carry a full size very far. So with that being said, like do you you know what, whatever wherever you're going, if it's a long ways in, you probably don't want to care full size. So just thoughts they're allowed, they are allowed to. Yeah, but I think overall they look more realistic to dear, and I think that deer are more apt to come into that than just kind of head What tips you have for late season deer hunting when the temps aren't favorable. M h, hunt mornings, Yeah, yeah, hunt mornings because it'll be cool. Um uh if it's if it's warm, I would hunt closer to bedding in the afternoons if you can. Um, I don't know what if I just rifle the rifle, uh you know, uh, just what you think is a shooter accordingly, you know, I don't know if you're if like you're the kind of guy who has a number in your head, it's gonna be kind of tough. But like you know, if you're on an out of state trip up and you've got tough temps and it's your one trip of the year, I just go to slinging, you know, garantee you. I would have done that in Arkansas if I hadn't already shot four bucks. Um. Have you ever tried using a half rack buck in an attempt to look like a less dominant buck. Yeah, I don't. I don't think it made a difference. We did that, um yea each year when we chased the big one. Um. But I think that's the thing that people do, and I have heard from the owner of heads Up. I think that, uh, it doesn't really matter, doesn't make a difference. So I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. Um, Okay, assuming I should focus on food sources in the Midwest next week, is that a good assumption, fair assumption? Yeah? I mean if you got dear, you know, if you're unlike especially if you're hurting like a piece of private that had been molested too much, Like you can kill deer late season on food, you know what I mean, especially if you get a cold weather. I mean that's anywhere with cold weather. Uh, can you take quartering two shots with a mechanical broadhead? Yeah? Um, I'm just gonna have to kind of evaluate accordingly to what the angle is and that sort of thing. You know, you don't want to hit him on the peak of the shoulder. Yeah, you really don't want to do that no matter what. But um, I like, uh, I like a straight on shot for Yeah, I don't. I don't love the quartering to the mechanical. Um, but like if you can if he's coming at you and you can work in uh, in front of the shoulder like it's pretty much a frontal then yeah, for sure. Sure if he's close, yeah, because you you can shoot above the shoulder. Yeah. I did that in Illinois. Yea, yeah, but I wouldn't shooting a mechanical. But I still would have shot him there if I had been. Um, let's see a couple more here, almost done. Um, what sign are you looking for in the late season? There's two questions from two different people for that. Yeah, the trails for me for sure, trails trails, uh, creek crossings, fence crossings, they all kind of relate back to de your movement, because that's what matters. And if you can look at if you can look at um, hey, look wash brown beer, if you can look at a food source like right where the deer would come out and you can kind of get a gauge on the traffic and what traffic looks like right there at that food source. That can really help you to know like are they using this field or they using that field? More so, if you have access to that, that could help you decide what the destination really is. Um so, uh, Chris Carter wants to know, like if you're hunting agg fields that agg fields that are disc disked up like all around you, what kind of sign or what are you looking for to hunt? Kind of same thing we talked about earlier Midwest when no agg fields around we answered that question. I guess kind of it's like if you're not if they're disked up, then there's no destination agg food source. So you're looking for other types of food like red oaks or whatever the cover or cover. So if you're in a Midwest, well I know where he's at, you know, so like it's all I hardly you need timber, right and just kind of fence roads and maybe some creeks like the deer is just gonna have to make a living and they might be out there at not just covering all those disc fields just you know, kind of forging just looking around, so you might just be trying to find the cover. Yeah, I mean they're afraid to go nowhere and not so like road ditches. I know it's not you know, but if there's if there's a road ditch with green grass in it, and you know it's uh, there's a big pocket of timber that sits way off in a tree line that comes all the way up to the road. Deer, we'll follow that all up to road and feet at night there, you know what I mean. There's a reason they get they get blasted on the road by Where should I place cams in late season? Food sources? Food sources, don't be afraid to get night pictures in late season. It's the one time of year that the night picture you can actually do you some good because you can just track them back. How many arrows you take when you go hog hunting? Every one of them? Days used to be a half empty quiver. Guy, you've been that way something this year too? Oh yeah I haven't. I haven't carried a full quiver. I've only carried a quick full quiver one time. And is that look? Yeah? Yeah, Mr prototype Erra over here, that's it? Yeah, I can't get enough over once you worry Tyler is about to be the poster boy for Victor eras shooting giants for the prototype area. I'm not pretty enough. Uh no, your deer will be the poster dear. Okay, we'll take that. What optics are good for beginners, the most affordable ones you can afford, the best you can afford that you can still see decent out of Yeah. I would say a beginner needs good by knows more than an expert. They can't figure out how to see a deer. Yeah, but I mean you could go wide with that and say binos instead of a spoiler, don't get spotter. Yeah, definitely. Um, I think something with a fairly wide field of view is good for a beginner so they can see more, you know, like tim of forty two is kind of the standard. Yeah, for sure. The bigger, the bigger, the second number, the more light objective objective. Yeah, so you know what, and whatever you can afford, the better the glass somewhere you're gonna be like, wow, this is awesome. So, uh, press Wood wants to know straight body spotter is, why do you prefer them over angled? Um? Well, I haven't got to use a ton of either. But we have straight ones. Um they from a truck. It's easier for sure. You don't have to turn and think sideways or even just stand there. You know, you can just see that thing where you can look straight out. I think target acquisition or whatever you wanna call it is way better with a straight pointed at it. And yeah, I mean I'm looking out at it and then I just put my eye down into the straight But if you if you've got an angled one, you have to actually look your head down, you know, to to get your eye into the objective. I'm gonna use something which he didn't challenge us on. He just want to know which one why we like that one better because we do. What are the advantages of angled? I don't really have one. It's more compact, I don't know. Yeah, that's a good good question, there's guy. I mean, there's a reason somebody's yelling at us right now, like this is why they created these, you know. And I wonder if it's easier to magnify and angled like because like where it hits the prism in there, it helps with magnification, I don't know, yeah, or maybe just helps your or I guess. I guess there's a there is an advantage with like sun glare, so like you know how athletes were the EyeBlack or whatever to keep the glare down. If you're if your head is facing down from the sun, you've got it more of a shaded uh face, I guess. And I guess you don't have to have as tall of a tripod. Yeah, if you want to stand there in glass, it only has to be chest high as opposed to head high. Yeah. Yeah, I feel like, uh, I don't know that would be my question for someone who was like you're dune for using the which pressure it wasn't you know? But I learned that from Mike Winger the other day because he was like, you know what, someone comes up to you and says, well, you know Christianity was actually created by the Romans. Instead of disproving them, just say, okay, uh prove it, you know, like you know, like you don't always have to justify your side of it of something you can just need you can turn it back around with somebody, which I'm not saying Michael didn't do that at all that well. I don't feel strongly enough about the straight either. Yeah, I am straight, but straight and you feel strongly about that. So that kind of wraps up our Q and A. We appreciate all the questions. UM. We appreciate all the support this year. It's been a great year for us. UM. We're hoping that the next year is even better as we pursue uh, doing this for a living and hopefully just enjoying time together UM over the next year, and as we expand our team and get more guys involved and really are just having We've been having so much fun we have. We have a Colorado Buck series that's gonna release a shot a buck in Colorado, not Colorado Buck, but a bucking car rode up and uh. And so we're gonna oh my goodness, drip drip, drip gools and wanna UM. So anyway, that's UH. I think it's gonna be three videos that come out, so hopefully you guys will are interested in looking at some of this stuff. It's really cool footage. Eric did a good job, UM, and I kill a buck at the end of that, which is really fun and really cool. UM, so be looking for that. We appreciate all the support with all the Kansas stuff too. UM. Those videos have done really well, and um, I mean that was just it was just a fun part of the season. Man. I'm glad. You know, we weren't the only ones that we've packed a lot of fun into. About three days in November, Dad gun and we did, and then a week later we did the Calado deal. And then Chris Webb, you know, if you you guys may know him from the South Dakota series this year, he's uh he shot a deer on the twenty on Texas Private. Um, good buck. So we're gonna we're gonna be hopefully putting that out too, and then uh, you and I are or you and I and Hunter and Eric or not. Let's writ some more stuff coming up. It's gonna have a little uh mostly element meet up. Yeah, coming up pretty soon. We're gonna try to finish out the year with a couple on field tags. Yeah, uh kind of excited. I am very excited, man, I'm hoping to shoot ducks. Whenever you tag y'll deer, we might shoot ducks. Even before that happened, to say the truth in the matter. Because it's gonna be kind of warm middays and we worth a whole lot. I've already driven this area pretty good. What else are we gonna do? Get a little ducky hey, Yeah, for sure. But thank you guys so much for the support. It really does mean a lot. I hope you have a merry Christmas, UM, and I hope that you understand kind of what Christmas is really about, UM. And if you don't, UM, then maybe you can holler at us and see what we think about it. But UM, I am very appreciative of what happened on Christmas and the significance of it. And I am very appreciative also that there is a time that is pretty much designated uh probably worldwide, pretty much nearly UM or at least a big part of the world realizes that it's a time to be with family and UM spend time together and enjoy each other. So I'm appreciative of that. YEP. I don't know if y'all realize it, but my son has joined us for the last fifteen minutes or so, and I appreciate it. I appreciate him to UM. But he is kind of taking after his dad with the animal noises. He does those better than he does words. So yeah, it's I might hear some of that you can. You can say Havelena pretty good, but you can definitely speak Havlina really well. That's funny, man, that's funny. Well. I will be sure and remember to not blow your ear drums out on this trip like I have in the past. And y'all remember that this is your element, live in it.