00:00:00 Speaker 1: Hey, I'm Tyler and I and you're listening to the Element podcast. I bet you heard them before the way you see it right, get back, don't you do it? That's a Fuji dog right there. We are sitting outside actually that we're about to do a round table with one of our friends, her newfound friends, Mr Daniel Holder from the Hot Fish Eat podcasts, And so we're just gonna start into the conversation pretty quick here. Um. But I just wanted to run you guys through the fact that we just released a crappy fishing video. And this isn't just a hype session. This isn't just a you know, ripping lips. You know, highlight is how to fish for crappy in the pre spawn, especially if you got one skeeter and you've got a live scope. And when you say isn't just that implies that there is quite a bit of that in there there. Yeah, there's uh, there's some ripping, man. We I don't know how many we took home, but I bet we had. Uh if you count the bites at Hunter Missed, we probably had a few thousand bytes, know we had we probably had about bytes we probably I think we ended up like fifteen before you guys went back out. Um, but we did. We did a couple hours on the lake and saw how effective life scoping can be, especially when you're talking about pre spawn fish and the eight to ten eleven foot depth. And it was a lot of fun and they caught big ones. Man. Yeah, yeah, it was pretty cool to just be out there. It's my first time getting you know, experienced life scope or whatever. Um, it's not as guarantees like what you think would be, but it's it's real cool. Yeah, it's not video game. Ask. I don't feel like as much as what I thought it was gonna be either. So here's a lot of fun. Uh. The amount of time I spend on the lake, um left me sick. Literally, That's why y'all hear my voice being real weird. But uh, we had a lot of fun. And then it was great to just get to hang out with Daniel do some fishing with him, and he made us a delicious ilk steak meal that night. The key ingredient. Man, Yeah, you know that's not as uh. I like that food. But I don't think I'm like, I'm gonna put a reaganel on all mistakes from now on. Yeah, I'm not gonna put it on every steak either, but I mean I think I'm gonna try to still a salt pepper butter, maybe some garlic. Guys, She's kind of the way I rolled, but it was it was delicious either way. My wife liked it, which made a big difference. Um, because I'll live for her of course, so you know whatever makes her heavy exactly right. Yeah, it's almost as if you wanted her to hear that or something. It's almost like she's over there fifteen yards. You think she's gonna listen to this podcast. No, but I think she listens. She already actually heard the live version. Her and her and Hunter's wife. We're in there talking smack about us the whole time while we were resually had dumb things of the podcast. I actually went because I could see them. You know, they were rolling when I was talking. They loved my my comedy Mainlander. Yeah, Tyler's comments in particular, they were laughing at hilarious. So if you all want to laugh too and just enjoy a good conversation, let's get into that with Daniel and Hunter Dunter. I'm Tyler Jones from the Element podcast. I have Casey sis sisk no I wish if so, I'll be shooting gihnt bucks and um what you change your name and we got married. Anyways, I'm Caseys from the Element Wild, which is our social media channels. Okay, I'm Daniel Holder with Hunt, Fish, Heat Podcasts and Yours truly Hunter the Hunter with we know he's everybody knows man, He's he's on the first name basis. I saw a commercial today with Serena Williams. She's, Uh, you know you've made it when people know you by your first name or by one name or something like that. Yeah, so tying the trip h t h h we Uh. We're sitting around the dinner table right now, Hunters trying not to breathe and uh, we got these sausages right in front of us. If you watch some of the pig Hunt videos, you know that the Cody Brown is a man for men. He's the man's man. Uh. And he he did some pineapple pineapple bacon, bacon and jalapeno and cheese, and uh, there's a great discrepancy in the heat in some of these halapino. Mr. Kansas City, you don't have a lot of spice to barbecue up there. So now we were a lot of sweet man. Yeah, so I'm sure that was a kick. I thought it was pretty good. It was. It's just hot for a text. And I'm not like a I'm a medium, like middle of the Roads by see guy. I'm not the guy who's like, give me here, that happened never, you know. But I like a good good burn, really good flats men too. Man. I think I think when you get food that's like that too, you know it's good food because uh, if it's consistent, then it's being made by like General Mills or somebody. You know. It's because I said, trying a new casing on these, and he wasn't a big fan of it personally, I didn't even I thought it was really good as good smoke flavor too to him, and especially for like homemade sausages are really really good. But this is, you know, like the sideshow act to the supper that we just had. Yeah, Daniel, uh brought down some Elk kinderloin, made some wild game stock polenta, and some sauted Brussels spouts in bacon grease, and we just ate. I think I ate seven serving sizes for a normal adult human of supper. So uh, there's a lot of food made. My wife like steak, so she went back for seconds. I think it was very very flatter bad man. Four years ago she wasn't eating much. She was a vegan. Right, we would eat it. We need the RV and it had to be ground meat only on the elk. But now with how delicious your elk was, of course, Tyler and I are like, we gotta go elk counting this year and kill one because it's been too long. But I don't know it's been It was a delicious meal. So did you did you come by the cooking honest, like just growing up with it? Or how did how did you like, you know, get into the um? So I like to eat food, um and so I've always liked to eat. Couldn't tell at all yep, um my. So it's interesting. My dad is a chemist's doctor in chemistry and he liked cook grows cooking is it's chemistry, so denaturization yep, having all that different stuff. So I learned from him. My mom's not much of a cook, I mean, like Christmas dinner, thanks kicking. My dad is all cooking, so I just kind of him. I really enjoyed it. You know, I like eating good food. And you know I got telling you earlier Star, I processed all my own game and says to me, that's one big thing about hunting, you know, to you know, get that stuff, And um, I really love that aspect of hunting. And just one of my favorite things is making food for people that are like you know and and friends and family and too bad had to cook for you guys tonight too. Yeah, it wasn't gonna cook, said he was coming over me right, yeah exactly. But even though it left his high and drive the boat with pop all day and didn't come to join us, you can tell us thirty more minutes exactly. Well, the last time I talked to you, it seemed like you had your hands full of pop and I was like, I don't think we need another person to boat. I thought you want to give him my dad, honestly, you want to had a good time. Yeah, but you get the bass. Yeah. Um, but old bast master Bus. Yeah, he's out there with Mode And you say, you we had boat problems. So here's the deal, guys. Um, we met Daniel back at the hog hunt, him and Hunter of course, got super well acquainted on a Tundra expedition. Hunters say, in my life, I thought it was the dog that y'all warmed up with that helped too. Yeah, but before I wouldn't bring that was right here? What's going on? You remember they went back to the truck early whenever we were making the loot, and so you remember we're crossing that creek and I had muck boots, right, and so I had to. I walked down Cody Brown. I'm talking to him. So we get back and it's just me, Hunter and Cody are across the creek now, right, and so we start, well, let's go walk to our bols is, and um, I start realizing it's getting real thick, and so I can't see Cody anymore, and I'm like, I see Hunter. And I didn't know Hunter's name at this point. I've just seen him that morning. But I'm like, you know what, Like, I didn't mark the truck, I didn't do anything, and I should probably stay near somebody that knows what they're doing. So I get kind of close to you heard that you heard that this matural He looked like anything. It was very comment look very comm look like it, don't take it for granted. So we the you gotta get that Tennessee hat man. You would, you would embody it. But we somebody said one, that's right. We got to a fence and um, I was like, Cody, you have this fence? No Cody, Me and her like do you know where codies? No? Just two of us. So I'm like, so I asked what your name was? I think? And then you're like, we're gonna go this way. You're very confident, but we we're going, and you like, we should hit the road here pretty soon. And we hit the lake, which is the opposite direction of where we thought we were going. So he checks on X and he's like, man's right. We started moving and the things not moving on the on X right. Yeah, and so we got that part for sure. That's right. I didn't have the map downloaded off. I had no service all right because Rex hunter discrepancy we had it was and we had a very the account didn't know who who was fingering it. Um. The there was overcast, like heavy heavy clouds, so no idea of stars either, no wind, so we couldn't know what that's You try to put some moss, you know, for the north side of Tree. So what was it interesting about this this whole thing that morning was that, like about the people involved in this thing didn't know each other's names. So we would be like I would like be joined up with like Casey and Eric or whatever, and I'd be like and then like Sam and John would come in and I'd be like, man, I hadn't seen Daniel in a while or whatever, and to be like, oh, he's right there, and they'd be like, you know, I'd be like, we'd find out like a couple of minutes later that they were talking about Chris Webb or something like that, you know, and it's like, these guys have another we got in touch with you, Tyler, and uh, you're talking to Hunter and you're like, man, tell all those guys, I'm sorry we got separated, Like it's just me and Daniel, Like, wait, Christ and Code are with you. Yeah, we don't know where they were. I had no clue where Chris webbing, you know, did you phone the creek? Yeah, okay, just just a little bit, a little yeah, yeah, and then we met up. I called you. I was like, hey, where y'all at? And you're like, you know, I've told you where we were at, and I was like, my map is not working. You let me know. And you said we're gonna be passing you in a couple of minutes. So I'm like, okay, well I'm gonna be I'll be whistling. You know how we do that the whistle I wanted to sound like, yeah, so see, I'll have that old man like whistle. Will it. I'm going on, I don't know how to do that. It's living good like like then and somebody whistles back, same whistle, yeah, and I'm like I was like, okay, that's Tyler right there. I'm like we're good to go. And it was like twenty yards away, like it was close, and I'm like, I think it was caught up because I heard I heard the whistle. Tell you, dude, I'm telling. But then I was like, okay, you know, I was yell. I was like hey Tyler, you know. Nobody answered, and then I'm like, where'd you go? Like yelling now, like where are you? And nobody know what I got back? Can't whistle, that's what looks crazy like. So we do this whistle and we're like we hear the whistles. We're standing there waiting and about five minutes goes by like that was a whistle, right, that wasn't like we'd make that up. Yeah, it's pretty positively whistle um. And so we call you guys, drop our pins and we're like wildly in different places. So um, Well, what Hunter and I figured out was it was most likely a big foot um that whistle back at us. Yeah, so that's what we're thinking happen. But are you thinking that there should be a season in Texas for big foots or is it still we're working on that population? Well, you know Little Home which just open the season earlier this year, And so I don't I don't see by Texas shouldn't follow maybe in Kansas up to Kansas from down to Texas and the expansion of the natives lands up there is that they I think. So, you know in habitat to um, you know, they gotten some habit loss in the Panhandle and so they've been moving out, you know somebody from a couple of years. Yeah, yeah, yeah, cornering pressuring them Yeah yeah, sorry, got over here. Used to he's good at it now he's getting knock used to. Man, we'd be talking, we'd be talking. I'd be talking and i'd have, you know, take a second to get the words out, and he would just do this a little like puppy dog like. It's like a little turn to the hand, you know, And at that point I can't talk that all. It's sorry. I don't try to be creatful like to stay in. But we all got to know each other really well on that hog and watch that YouTube video put the link below. It's a it's pretty fun shot some pigs with some ceazy shotguns. Then Daniel brought to let us use is actually my first time using a semi auto really to shoot animals and that much. It's pretty pretty cool. But you check that out. And somehow or another, uh you and Hunter, you know, you ended up back at Brian's truck, and y'all had hours of conversation and somewhere along the way long walks on the beach, so we keeled pigs, so you know, we had to do a lot of butchering. But somehow another y'all got to talking about the sasquatch thing a little bit right and has had some his hand in some sasquatch sasquatch management or skull cap should I say, I don't know really, you know where the lines m. I feel like bigfoots like it's uh, you know, rednecks. Sometimes people feel that as an offensive thing a little bit sometimes, Like if you're a redneck and you call people rednecks, it ain't no big deal. But if you're like from the city and you say it's bigfoots, the same thing. So if you're if you're if you're not from bigfoot country and you say bigfoot, it's kind of like, are you being derogatory here, you know? Or if you're a big foot on only other big you know, big foots can call you a skunk ape. Yeah, this sounds a lot like you don't you don't want to just be drawing that right now, especially one in the same uh positive terms here that like bigfoot experts speaking where they know exactly what they're doing. You have some experience I have had some with big foot habitat management? You do management? I do not know. We get a lot of request for management, you know, fair more than you know. So how often do you get versus duck hunt emails? Like people who are like, hey, do this to to get more ducks? Mmm? I don't know. That's that's a that's a probably a classified yeah if I can't text, but that's probably like a H tended to really no way or big Foot? Is it the same person on the big Foot or multiple people? Right? Is it a society of people? Are these vigilantes? If it's a society, then there's some Burtner accounts, you know, trying to feel my way? What's what? Um? Well? What I what I particularly liked about this was because I kind of made it a joke about big fun. You quickly correct me, explained that I was I was incorrect, and and these feel that when you get back to Bigfoot that he was sure. Well, what I liked a lot about it was that these these people aren't mad at you because you guys don't believe in Bigfoot. I don't want to put words any moround, but um, they're upset because guys aren't managing for proper habitat for Bigfoot. That that's what it comes down to. Is it a problem with like tree density telling you how to manager? Are they just saying you're not doing it right or you need to be doing more? They are telling us we're not doing it right. They have they know, do they have a plan. They don't have a plan, but they also don't know what is right. I wish they would give so many parameters. They just it's just basically all the ink tell us is that we're doing it wrong. It sounds like it's like, you know, you can't do it right no matter what you do. That's weird to me. From what I understand. The hunting grounds are like the bottoms, correct, and there their betting areas more grasslands. Well, yes, in our particular region that is what they have sorry preps in in the region of East Texas there is many habitat regions are there for big feats. I don't know. Wait, but depends it depends on We were told by the cryptozoologist that we talked to that it could be either one. Yeah, yeah, it's fluid. It was it's like doves and doves. Yeah, So it depends on probably if you're like a grouper or a separator or whatever they call it, right, so live. Some people say there's twenty seven subspecies of white tail. Some people say they're sick. Some people say there's just one white tail. So probably depends on which crypto you're talking to about how they feel about the feet, definitely, the clans and their histories, and a barrel ground in your place, because I hear that's a pretty big deal. Like apparently big foots are my goals to use every player I can be inclusive, like big feats burial ground. Yeah, apparently it's a big deal. Like they're there where they bury there, they're dead. It's like a big deal to him. You'll have to give me a description like he's I mean, I'm certainly doesn't remember the thing we found in the woods. And you and I are staying on top of that hill, We're like, what is this, Yes, that's a big foot barrel ground. Yeah, when we were out there at Cedar Creek w A. Yeah that one island, Cedar Creek Island, Cedar Creek Island. Yeah yeah, that's fine. Okay, So do you really know anything about big Feet, about their habits, their habitat honestly, Yeah, Like, I mean, I know some some stuff that can't be told. You can't say is what it is in the I mean it's it's classified. It's called a UFO type. Yeah. Yeah, yeah it spoiler alert. They don't exist. You know, We've had this conversation in the past but I can't respond that. I respond to emails with that that was a pretty big until you know, Trump is kind of just kind of killed the big foot things animal. Yeah, so you do come on land a little bit, but swim enjoy the time in the water. I watched. That kind of goes back to some type of a Godzilla movie that I watched one time. Do you know what I'm talking about? Like there was like a Godzilla versus the Yetti or something, and then like the yet he spent some time down around the water. Uh, and some of its DNA got lost in the water and then it replicated itself somehow, very unique form of reproduction salages. It sounds like they Yeah, pretty much. It was like there was a aquatic kiddie. It's pretty cool, but we think we've only explored what like temper cent of the world's oceans. Yeah, but that would require um to be a very non pressure sensitive critter because that is all the stuff that's you know, the load. Since they're in the water, would they be big fins, that's a good question. Maybe big flippers. Maybe that's where the flippers there's you go, Yeah, flippers and feets, don't get them pluralized. Imagine being like a couple of miles off coast, you know, deep sea fishing, and you see something that's like eight nine long, really hairy, outside of a person just swimming along. One of the actually most interesting facts that has been brought up was that if big foots were real, could they help us manage relation and wild hog population? They already do. What do you think that that the hogs haven't taken over yet? It's all because the feats. What have they not taken over? Asphalt pavement? Oh? You mean the world? Yeah, you know you're talking about the world. I thought you're talking about East Texas. I'm like, what have they not conquered here? I've seen them in the school. The reason is like, if no hunter, here's the problem. If y'all were managing better for the big feats, the problem we have here. But because Kansas Department of Wildlife and Parks is doing a much better job of managing for big feed, they don't have a hall. You know, I don't want to speak on half of the entire state of Kansas, but I'm going to. I think we do a better job. Think all our all our us, No, that's not we I'm sorry, saw us US and we's we all. You know, we're all private landowners to some extent, all of us need to uh do our step up, do our part. So then what's the what's the first of all? I think we need to go to a state agency confirmation? Is the state? Is the state going to actually do something about this? I don't know, although I feel like if they opened the season like Oklahoma did, um, Oklahood was first on a lot of things, I would think it would be around yeah, um, tiger king, Yeah, alcoholism, you know nothing, they can be first and tiger king because there will never be that again. What's going to top that first and only true? Um? And what we're talking about? So the state is the state? Is the state actually seriously considering any of this? Oh? Yes, we're talking about you know. I'm thinking season would be around hunting season when z in m Okay, Yeah, when's their main season? When when are they spawning? I don't know when they spawn um, but I'm thinking the rut is going to be around that October November. Now, I could see a very successful Oh nobody, because I've been out in there was a lot in those stings. Has to be in the woods during that time. Well, here's the thing. They're they're invasive. I'm assuming there's okay. If they're the original creatures, can you hunt it not you spot at them. I'm thinking I could have a very good season hunting Bigfoot if we had a season October thirty one. That I'm just saying, somebody in Austin is considering that we should do something about these emails that we're getting and we should actually manage habitat. There has to be, doesn't There isn't somebody down there doing that. What do you think? I don't know. You can't speak. I'm glad to stop. I feel like somebody in the department that was like, glad, it's not my job. Is that your big foot shirt? No, it's my Harembe shirt. Yeah? Is that how you say it? Yeah? I think so. I don't know. I thought it was humbred. You don't watch friends. I mean, it looks like my own break. Never forget me. You know that Harambe is born and nine. I think so. I just check, But it looks like a play the tupact on a few familiar two pockets A rapper back to nights he wore blue bandana similar to this that he's not dead. Well he lives on a like bay. He's not dead either, man, he lives on Yeah, I hear you, but yeah, yeah, school, if you can't tell. We all got to know each other real well and have become great the greatest of friends. So we were talking with Daniel at the hog events some about you know, coming back down and dudes hanging out and what we uh, we doing some turkey hunting this year, so late March was really the only time that we could do a fishing trip. And we said, h man, it's not the greatest time of year to catch like numbers of fish, but if you want to get a big bass, it's a good time to come down. And the first day instead of bassish and we completely did something different and that is mechanic on boats all day. So yeah, yeah, it just some livescoping for crop pop we did. We did at the end of the day. That kind of thinks thinks that Tyler had baseball practice. So we actually had ream the boat to go get on there and hundred deck handed for us for you while you were on the boat. I'm not sure what you're saying he did. He did a good job. I think I don't want to crack on them too bad. But he did a good job of losing fish when I was on there, I was when I last of him. He caught a big one. Uh was a one nine or something like that? One nine one that he caught. Yeah, that was the first was I think that was the first one that we waiting, the first one I landed that more we he didn't wait. I don't know that we weighed another one, do I don't think. So we caught bigger ones. I think there was for sure that time. We're bigger, but we never waited half hands fish. What we want to see this too? I got. I think two's like the mark for Dylan kind of right, that's when he's like, okay, this is a serious fish. Yeah, I know that there's some times we never like he saw a certain fish on the scope and he's like, you chased it around for a little bit. Yeah, he got real excited about some of that stuff here. Yeah. Yeah, So that was a new thing for me, new thing for saying, dude. Hunter has been around it some. So Hunter explained it to those who don't know. It's basically a sonogram. You know, he's got some chips you can put in there getting dinner versions. Yeah, Um, it's it's a sonogram, you know. Um you meantime when you go look at it, when you go look at a baby, like a baby, yep, they're trying to sex to your baby, you know, like Jerry Springer. That's the attorney test kind of thing. Yep, definitely. Um, so you can look at, of course the baby. You know, when you're looking at a baby on sonogram, it's not have you looked at babies on sonogram? No, I've seen pictures like in science books. It's not you know, thirty ft of white. It's a clear picture. This You've kind of got to have a trained effort. And Dylan really does that well picking stuff up on Because the fish can lay flat on a stick, but the sonogram is gonna pick up the harder texture of the scales of that fish and throw a brighter light on that fish. He almost in the stick. So Dylan I was trained to pick up that or even just a flicker of a tail. I haven't been around it enough to use or to know it that well. Uh So I was very thankful to pick up some stuff from him. Yeah, he would like he would say he said it was fishing that tree right there, and he showed like a split tree or whatever, and he was kind of adjusted around a litle bit, and all of a sudden it would just light up. You could kind of see you. It's just like the stick was right there. But it was also real hot in one spot. You know, it's pretty cool. I figured out too, that guard bounced harder than crappy shine brighter, and they shimmer a little bit more because they're hard scales every so that thick scale. Yeah, it was super cool though. Man, It's like I was blown away. I was video on the whole time pretty much. But one time after we had a bunch of them on video already, just held the camera kind of framed up and then stop paying attention and I look down at the screen to watch what they're doing, and like you literally could see the fish like turn its body and go up, and I was like, that is wild man, crazy man. You could tell like you pretty much knew when you're about to get a bit, you know, it's crazy. And the way the reason we were running, you could actually see the fish bite, So it wasn't like a clear picture like you'd see in a television UM. So you know you gotta picture basically a pixelated black and white UM, no straight line image, you know, if that makes any sense. But you could see the movement of the fish in your lure. You could basically see him bite it. Well, I think the big difference because I've seen like a little bit their sonogram stuff and like your grandfather had on his boat today, like he like the slashes and it's not that because that's like, okay, there's something down there moving. This was a lot more like um, real time, you could tell it's a fish associated between just a regular sonar uh and what you get now with like side imaging and down imaging, it's a good mix of boats. I'd agree. That's that's basically what you're gonna be looking at. Yeah, when are they going to say no more? Is that gonna ever happen? I think so. I think so too. It's almost cheating, man, I'm telling you, If you can't use a drone to hunt in Colorado, I don't see why I can't life scope in Colorado. Probably probably not. I mean, I just think it's gonna get this. It didn't feel as dirty doing it as I thought it would. I would agree with that. Yeah, there's a lot. I mean there's a lot to it. Yeah for a guy that hasn't used it. A space and a guaranteed dealing. Like, we saw a whole lot of fish that you couldn't catch. No. I always, like in my mind thought it was like, oh, well, you just find a fish and can't you. But here's my deal is, we literally were in eight to ten foot of water yesterday the whole time, just out in the middle on a flat. There's no like particular reason necessarily, I mean the croppier there, but so are other fish. There's no reason that like, but there's there's no way to target those fish outside of having that really, you know what I mean, Like you just you're out of luck. If you just sat there and and put jigs down by the trees that you could see all day, you'd ended up like three or four fish? How many? How many trees though did we see that we fished underwater? What we fished underwater? The tops were broken off. You couldn't see them, So, I mean you had no reference point you had Like normally, if we're out there, we just go up to that tree that was standing water and throw a Well, that's one thing that case I talked about. Like it's funny because like you fish, you know before, like I use this thing, you know, you find trees, find structure. Okay, I'm trying to jig. He was something there. It's spent a little bit of time. They move on right, and like on that. Using that life scope, you realize how many trees don't have anything on there. With the life scope, you're like, okay, I'm not gonna keep moving, like no point throwing anything around it. So now like today when we're fishing without it, you're like, just probably nothing down there, a futile man. It's like because honestly, I've always thought the inverse. I've always thought like, oh, there's like four crop you on every tree, but you just can't make them buy. No, that's not the case. If a croppy is area is going to eat most likely and whenever there's nothing eating it, there's nothing there. Yeah there's a croppy, they're more than likely they're gonna buy more than mass. Yeah. And one of the cool things too about the life scope is like you go, okay, we're in tim feed the water. They're sitting at seven Okay, that one just moved down to the bottom and you could just go right down to it, right up. It wasn't like, well let's let's let's let's just six ft today, or that's a big deal to me too. It's like, how many times when you're just fishing and you don't have that, are you just going to the bottom and ruling up a little bit? You know, like you're just not affecting. What makes that blew my mind is that we actually do have days where we sat them up. Dude, So could you imagine what the life scope would look like if you've had that? Oh yeah, I'm like, it has to just look like a big blur of fire down there on topping each other. And then you would realize. It makes you realize, like on those days, how good of days you were actually having without life scope? So like pretty life scope days, and you know you're like, well that was you know what kind off you let you know, catfish or twenty croppy or whatever. You know, It's like, okay, that was really good. Yeah. Now there was a coffee terament this weekend, So this might be skewed, but Daniel and I remarked at how many people we saw life scoping. I mean it was over half the boats and we saw that you were life scoping. It's like, maybe it is because there's a top crappy tournament, or maybe it's becoming that popular. Well, and some of the boats that weren't livescoping, they still have livescopes on them, like the guy's bass fishing, like and I've started, like I've heard about it being a lot more popular. Like it's cool, man, you heard the h you heard about the guy from IVY, right, I've understood. So we've had I don't know if you have heard, but like there's a lake in West Texas that they've caught like I don't know, probably like seven. It's the one that everyone should go to. Yeah, definitely, they've caught like seven lonkers, which a lonker in thirteen pounds, and so they caught like seven this year. Everybody's like, oh, I'm going to break the record, which I think Fork had like twenty seven one year. Good luck. Yeah, But anyway, the guy apparently one of the guys I think this is all the stuff that I've heard. I have not read this um, but there was a guy that's caught like two of them this year, and he's like he's figured out how to tell what a bass and a big bass looks like on the life scope. And he just said, he just said, he just pitches at it over and over and over again until it bites. So it's kind of like when it's on like we're talking about today, like when you could see him on the bed and watching it quit. Same thing, where're just like, okay, I'm harass hid. And that's the thing is like how many times are you just fishing down the bank and you your bait goes in front of a thirteen pounder right on Lake four? You know that happens not on every leg, but like and you just well, he would have bet if you'd have thrown ten times at that same stump he's sitting on him or she's sitting on didn't remarked it today, he said, how many times are we thought in front of one it didn't hit? I think about it all the time. I mean, it happens. It does. Big fish especially get that intuition, Like when you spent time on the lake, you have this intuition of like, um, this is a big fish spot. And I would almost bet that when you do feel that it really is like there's a big fishing around. Not because you can feel that fish, but like you know what big fish habitat looks like with depths and you know, structure and stuff. But how do you get that it's time of the lake, time on the lake and catching big fish in those spots. Most your gun feeling is correct, am right. Turkey's big deer, like you can just spot They'll be subtle differences that like, Okay, this is quality big deer habit had, quality nice turkey habit had. And how many times you don't hear a gobble? You know Thore's birds that are like you know for sure, same thing like you don't see big deer, but you know they're believe you though that same thing. He's Casey and I have a mutual friend that's like kill a ton of big bugs. He's got hanging all in his house and like he really wuld probably have a hard time explaining on a lot of times why he shot those deer. But dude, he is the guttiest guy you've ever met. I mean, like he he can get in front of a deer. He just can't really tell you why. It's like one of the things. You know, we talked about this a lot on our podcast, is like, because we do a lot of deer talk, but there's there are guys out there that are quote unquote like experts in in the White Tailed woods and they can't hardly explain on some of these podcasts. Why can I has such an experience and and a subconscious like gut feeling thing, and it's it's weird, and honestly, they probably shouldn't be on a podcast explain that, you know what I mean, they should just keep killing deer. You know, you you thinking about it, like not everybody's a teacher and everybody's explainer. Like people, there's people that are extremely good at things that necessarily can't teach it, you know, and some of it to you. Like That's one reason I started my podcast is because I meet a lot of these people. I'm like, man, I just want to sit here and talk with you, spend time with you, like walk around with you in the woods, so I can try to pick some of that up, right, And um, I've met a lot of people like that, Like they can't explain why, but if you spend up time with them, you can pick up you shorten your learning career, right, you know, yeah, for sure, man, he said, when you just see the hand reference, he said, we walk around the in the woods, everybody in the ice. Yeah, it was like negative ten negative with a bed covert. No, we couldn't fit. We would have if we could have fit, Brian, Yeah, but the dog like the storage boxes, which were sweet, you're trying to not die some company back. They were hopping in there like a casket or something I want to do for you. Alously, I said, if if I wasn't here with you, get three goes, I'd be in the right not cooling that dog. For one of us could have fit, but the other one couldn't. They were like trying to be the one who was that guy kind people and well so when it was he was sitting on the side you could have slid into and he was like, man, I shouldn't have felt right side in there. I'm like, huh, I'm thinking if you get up man, slide in there and taking turns. The first start battle was too I'd written and Brian, so I had my heavy duck gear inside the cab. I could see it. How many minutes have taken for you to break a window? Like sixty minutes. We were an hour window. I'll probably have cuddled Hunter before that, but he wants to join the elements man, and I'm just trying to well what happened Tod was like we got out of the woods and it was like, okay, I can see the truck way off over there, and uh, I mean, Hunter, do you want to you like you want to go back in? And then we heard you gotta shooting and like, man, they're gonna be in there for a while. We well, we we even saw I think it was Brian. We're walking on the road. We see someone like three hundre yards ahead of us in orange like duck into the woods, like far from where you got half a mile. It might have been Chris because he was lost. Well, and what was funny is like he's like, I must have been done hund to go. There's no one else out here besides those crazy dudes, you know, um half inch of ias. We're like, man, that that's the truck over there. But the road zags in the wrong zig and so you've got a zig zag zig for about two miles when you can see it at and it was a it was a gravel road, those iced over. We were like sliding all over the place, walk on that thing. Man needed some cleats for that's over and springs around. In fact, when they started shooting you kind of you didn't you just sat down on the ice. I did. Yeah, I mean it took gravity took it was. It was a swift sit down. Yeah, that plan happening. Didn't But he was like, he was like, I'm just gonna sit here and listen for a while. I was like, okay, well, it's like like he has this buffalo tree seeing how many how many hogs are? Three was four days? Yeah, And I slipped and fell and kind of long, and he just grabbed me by the shirts, you know, many stuff right here and just hit me on. He's come on, young men, I'm gonna let you speaking of hogs. You called your biggest bass ever today, man, I did? Man, Yeah, six pounder. Yeah, it was. It wasn't man, that was That was cool. And like I said, when we talked the hog hunt, you're like, hey, you wanna come down catching timpound basses. Absolutely happy at tim pound bass one. I told you it was funny. I'm a good friend of mine to call him d money he's on the podcast with me a little bit and he's smarting, so he's an avid fisherman. So I didn't heard about Lake Fork. I text him and I'm like, hey, man, if you were heard of this place in Texas called Lake Fork? And he like calls me and he's like, my hands are shaken, and like, what's going on? Is it the Lake Forks? Like one of the top lakes in the country, dude, he's like top three, top four. He's like, you got trained to fish that because he was laying on the thick man and I was really like, do you just use you know, like worms there? And he's like, oh my gosh, man, gonna bring worm boba with me, Like tell on a call out, John boat I did. I just want to said, man, they used to catch baston here to use catfish poles. And he and I we fish cat like we fish catfish together. And we've you know, we caught a couple of forty pound blue cats out on South Carolina. I mean, so like we're very used to big tackle. And I remember getting the boat and I'm like, it is a catfish rod with a catfish real on it, like and we threw what was salty black black and slack black salties other kind of like a Havard goldfish thing the bass light those and so did that catfish I caught, man, so a little four pound cat catfish black salt, dude. Pop. So I was looking at something else something. I was working a jig or something, and he was like, hey, your rodger's Ben, And I had to clicker on because like the black st they pulled a little bit, you know, And so I thought me, the line just went, you know, tight or something, and um, he said, I saw it, Ben, and like I didn't click. I had to clicker on some I'm like, okay, it must not be that big. And then um, I look back in the line and go slack and get tired, and I'm like, let me just try it him. I rod to pop and I picked up and there was a catfish on that thing, man like there was. He was only for two or three minutes like before, I swimming around with his mouth yep, yep, so crazy. But yeah, that's six pounder I was. We caught. We caught two pound earlier than day. We had the weather and broke off. Okay, we've we've told this story a couple of times, but it's such good fodder for this conversation. We have to tell you well, and I think to let's paint a pictures. So yesterday we had a great time, Casey on the water. I caught that yellow bass, you know, and that was about it. We had spite in trouble. So I was very optinous about today it's gonna be a good day. So we get out. We're in the water about an hour maybe three minutes, and you throughout that black salty and I'm like, okay, and it starts clicking like man, grab it, so grab the rod. I go to set the hook, which I didn't understand. I set the hook wrong, um case discreetly was just maybe harder next time. So I set the hook and I go to real and then I feel the tension tension go slack. I'm like, oh man, it got off or something that spent out, and so it was kind of like shake my head and hand you the rod back and you start really gonna it's still on there. And so you then said the hook brook line, Yeah, so called the Lake four hood set And really, looking back, um, I probably shouldn't have popped it as hard, but man, when you grow up around here with him pound bass plus it's like you're trying to jam that hook in a big old piece of bone, you know what I mean, in top of THESS cinder block. Yeah, so there's a there's an action which I saw yours. Yours just kind of like almost like the circle hook set, you know, like you just kind of leaned back into it. With my background, I do a lot of cat fishing, so that's my hast the hook set, right, it works, and uh, the standard bass set is like a pop right. The lake fork set is the step back you employed from you saw me, It's like, yeah, you get like twenty Like you know, bass boat, the dudes are losing the whole front back. They make bigger decks on beast boats for like four soly for that reason. So for that, I believe it. I've seen that guy jumped from the front deck to the back and like YouTube video, I go watch you guys, guys may one of these about how to probably need to put that on the chance put in the comments as a credit. Really, God's I told you this earlier. But God likes to sometimes teach us lessons over a long period of time, and sometimes he gives us five seconds to say, be more humble, sir. Don't tell Daniel he did into badge of its gonna make your breaks fine right now. So anyways, the next go around, you performed flawlessly. It was the perfect hook set. Yeah, pulling a nice two pound bass and as I as my first leg forth bass. So and um I told you earlier one of them. I like, like, I like killing ducks at real Foot Lake. I like hunting pheasants South Dakota, like Colorado. Like my mind's like, I'm gonna go to the coolest place, the best place to do that thing. I'm gonna do it. And so my mind's like Lake Fork, that's in the best basting country. So I felt really blessed that machine. What do you mean is it fully functional? Because if you could go back to ninety three now you're talking, bro, but like four is still one of the best places for sure. You know, I love it, man, It's it's still I don't talk about it a lot. It's not what it used to be, but it's still it's still. Neighbor pros came, you know, they come do the Twitter Texas Beast Classic and stuff like that, And I think I don't know, it's five seven years ago. I mean they broke I might have broken the record a couple of times out here, but they broke the fish in the four day and yeah, a couple of different things. This is like, this is how I know. It's a big best leg and you guys a big bastarshman. So I pulled that six pounder in which like we took pictures, you know. I mean, that's awesome as my personal best. So like I was pretty stoked about it, but it was like too cup pictures. I can't put it back. Like any other lake or most of the lakesy fish they oh my gosh, man, everybody jazz taking a ton of pictures. Your buddies gonna take a picture as the beast you claiming as their own, you know, like and you're just like yeah, I mean, okay, just like you. It was cool, but it was just so fucause I'm like, man, this is like a that's not a big bass to them. You know. My dad tells the story where he had like some cousins or something come down like kind of their family or whatever, you know, and he was gonna take them all out fishing on Lake Forward for bass, you know, and he said they they're all you know, in the boat or whatever, working down this bank and my dad is casting and uh, hooks of fish and pulls it in. He says, it's a solid five pounder. He said, just unhooks it and throws it back in real quick. He said. Everybody in the boat was dead silent, like what did you just do? Like they couldn't leave that. He just threw the sucker back. But I'll take a picture. And that's the thing is like like where I come from, you pull four or five pound bass, like you're taking some time, you know, thinking about that, you know, live streaming, you know, since your mom like we did. Yeah, it's it's crazy. So like plus six something bass and you're like, man, that's cool. Do you want some pictures? It's crazy. I mean we think it's a cool it's a good fish, you know, like if we cant six pounder when it's just made him, we're stoked, you know. But he goes back in the water pretty quick. You know, we'll take a cell phone picture, just both social or whatever. Be honest, Um, I really try to be pretty conscious about keeping fishing the water and getting them back pretty quick away. Not because I'm just like always Mr Conservation, you know what, which I do care about that stuff, but like, man, so many fish on the lake die from miss handling, and it's like I care about the resource more than the individual fish. Like I'll knock that fishing the hit and needed, you know. That's the thing. It's like, uh, we have a tournament every weekend, and there's like a bass fishing tournament, like every weekend on the lake, you know, any whether it's a working man's or it's like a big one or whatever. We know a guy who's uh a old pro. He was on he fished the Classic a few times, you know, it was on the tour. Um really intelligent guy, kind of like a you know Red Knick intelligent and um he's done a lot of you know, his own part studies and stuff. And he believes that if a fish is ever caught in his lifetime, there's no way that fish gets over like the tin pound mark that stuff. I've heard him say that he thinks about the fish that are caught and released die. Yeah. Yeah, I think any time you take the mucous layer off their their toast, that slam layer. But's the thing is like, man, dudes will just just holding that fish drop it flops around the carpet in the boat, so hard to keep it carpet. Yeah, but yeah, Richard says that like fish that get caught and stunts their growth growth indefinitely. Really well, it's like, yeah, us what tailing gloves are. Yeah, yeah, it's like that. I'm I'm I don't use telling gloves for that reason because I think it just further, like especially big trout and stuff you're gonna release, like it doesn't do anything good, you know, helps you hold on the fish, but that just tears those things up. Man. Yeah, I just always think, I mean, this is this is such like basic. You hear this too a lot. It's kind of cliche, but like I just think, like if I was not breathing right now, how would I feel? You know? I mean, so I keep the like when we do pictures, if if we catch a good bass on the lake or something, I mean, you gotta you got a good handle. You've got a big old mouth to handle, So just stick that sucker in the water and hold on tight until the camera's ready. It's not that hard, you know, And then when he's ready to get it up, take a picture, and it literally four seconds it's back in the in the water, and if you need to take more pictures, just hold it back in there. Well that's like we did a couple times too, you know, because I get the camera ready or anything, and like you can say, hey, you put it back in the water, like give it a drink, you know, And that's that's all of those things don't die, you know, And I think nothing to think about. Two is like again like basic stuff. But when I first started fishing, I'd always hold the like the fish vertical and so it's organs not meant to sit that way, right, you know, it's sits wars on the water. And so that's something my wife told. My wife's a biologists, and so like I when I handle fish take pictures, always try to hold it, you know, horizontal, so it's not banging its organs around them there and stuff. But yeah, so that, uh, what kind of biologists virons she is. Especially her patology is like her area of research. So that was amphibians reptiles. Cool. That's my exhibit at the Zoos is the herpetology. Man. I I don't hate snakes, but she'll handle them like she I saw her jump out of a canoe on like a trip and grab the Northern water snake out of the water to show people at snakes aren't bad. It bitter and then started musking on her. She's like, it's not scary, the pot with the body. But I was like any of that, I'm like, that's cool. At snakes sais over there, man, That's that's all I got. Be cool. I'm all about that. Yeah, I'm good. That's gives me the hope Jerseys. Yeah, podcast title that is funny. Yeah, so what does she do with that? So actually right now she's in med school. So, but she was a naturalist and Reserve Department conservation for four years and then I commenced her to move to Kanas City because I got married. I'm awesome to her and not someone else. Yeah no, no, um, that's probably be an awesome part. But no, she really enjoyed it. But she and anyone listening to this that has ever done anything in like biologies, you know, you get that bachelor's green into make any sort of living or any long jeddy, you have to get a master's degree and then you kind of get out of the field, right, and so she enjoyed the field biology, but she did not want to take the next step up, and so she's kind look at some other options and start working in hospital and really enjoyed it. And so she's but she loves the outdoors, loves wildlife stuff. That's cool. My wife tricked me pretty hard. Yeah. Yeah, she was supposed to be a doctor. My mind's in med school. She teaches it. One of the worst thing schools, the things to do for love, right, Oh yeah, for sure. Now she she's just she loves what she does, you know, so that she would have loved me a doctor too, but um, she kind of got coaching in her blood, so so what she does. But anyway, yeah, well you think I think that Daniel got a mess of fish and deal. So I'm pretty excited, I am. Yeah, he's very excited about that. We talked about like what the goals were for the weekend, you know, when he kind of first got here, and it was you know, his wife made him to take a cooler down. So that's pretty good indication of what needs to happen. So we got a whole five get I'm sorry, gallon baggy of coffee and a bar fish yellow bass. They're good for those they're tasting. Oh yeah, yeah, I told him. I was like, man, whenever you frows up, you're not being able to tell a difference. You know that they're they're real good. I told him too. I was like, Man, Tuner's favorite fish. I think that you can there's definitely a difference in all fishes. But I think that people really exaggerated a whole bunch. Like most fish, freshwater fish tastes pretty close to this thing. You know. It's just people kind of like to hate all stuff just because it's fun to talk about something sometimes. But also we have a four pound cat fish to clean outside after after you enough podcast, um, and then got your biggest bass caught. So we really accomplished everything we were trying to. Yeah, got a podcast recorded, man, exactly. And I'm gonna send you home with the holl hand I thing. That's right, man, a fig tree and a figtree. Dude. I made out good on this trip. He's taking some non natives across the state line. I gonna tell my wife about it. Yet, you know, let me ask you this, shoot, um, if you're heading back to Kansas and uh get in Oklahoma and the legislation allows it. You see a big foot, yes, you're gonna take him shot. I'd probably using it U combine bo. I think it's a long that's called shooting the rifle horizontal bow. They all resident man. I think they do often on resident tax But I don't know if there's a draw system yet. Just got it introuced this year, so I haven't know if you hit one. Do you have points built up for the Oklahoma and big Foot that first year? No points. Everybody's on the same plane with no point creep. That's cool, Yeah, I'm My next question is what are you you know, as a guy who cooked us a good meal to day, how are you gonna cook a big foot? I like the shanks on most animals. I' gonna start there. Man makes that, you know, yeah, at least well, And I do want to mention you know, um, I like to eat animals, so teedamimals kind of have to kill them, um, you know. And Hunter and I talked about this that you know, every violent interaction people have had with big Foot, it's always been escaped by the person, you know, most of times them trying to shoot him, trying to mess with the big foot, So keep that in mind. You know, they're not necessarily dangerous creatures. Um, it's like an elephant right now. Thing can hurt you, but it's not like ann hurt them. Lets you poke it, you know the so Um, I definitely want to kill it. Ethnically for sure. I might guess to be the meats k I canna taste good if he runs for a little bit and not to go track him. Yeah, what caliber would you use the biggest Yeah, because you wanted to drop cookie? I want to do you not want to eat like, man, it's going to clean it when it's tough. They are the people that have been email and you're gonna come after you after you shoot a big foot. Oh yeah, i'd have to move. Yeah, you go public with you were the one who shot a big foot. I would go at anonymously, like if you want lottery, you like win it. But now I'm not gonna tell everybody. Think there's a big enough I think they're enough out there, But how could you mount it? You can monetize that thing if you went public with it though, with your name, and then you could a ural moun would be pretty cool because it looks like a dude head, except it's a real two different things. But what would like, you know, a polar bear amount or like a brown bear amount was just standing there a little box behind your couch, Yeah, holding a doughnut, Kyle, you talking about walking in the dark one, not like a wookie out there. In college, we had this cut out of John Wayne that we would stick in different rooms and stuff in the door to just freaking we had a wookie. We had a lookie cut out. Yeah we uh. We also recently all didn't go to any my idea in my person my parents house. Recently, there was this, uh we were staying in this little extra room and this uh the room across the hall. I had the doors open, and there's a recliner in there. They had a blanket like strown across this recliner. Like it's almost like the size of a person sitting in this recliner. And every time I walked by, like turn real quick, you know, like scared me. I feel like person was sitting in that chair. You know, it's like there ain't supposed to anybody here. Scary stuff man, that is. Um, I'm pretty excited that, you know, get to go to this thing and I think we're gonna um, probably hang out a little bit more, maybe do a little turkey hunting. We got a big turkey hunt playing a couple of differ for directions. We gotta eat turkey on that trip. Yeah, you can make that happen. Yeah for sure. So I have a turkey breakfast at Dressed Me. It's really really good. Um, So I used the leg meat. A lot of people will just pressed out birds, and I think that's a sin. So m dude, I love too. I know it sounds like such a just mate eater thing to say they need to be honest, but like they really are good man. Yeah, well, like the stock I made the plant with last night, A lot of you know, I made that with turkey carks is like the bones stuff. And you again, I'm not like super granola eat and everything like you know, I what about plent to eat pretty plenty. I'm pretty down for that. Yeah. I thought we're Keen's drive subar you know, and too much. But dude, I think you're missing Hunter checks with shops rin king. Yeah, well, well meet Hunter got you know, I saw him yesterday when you had him propped up. That's when I was blowing through him. It was nice when I got real sunburn you got, man, and today he got real on the type of real. Yeah. I got my my base burn yesterday. Um, you know I did like that your your grandfather offered me some like twenty year old sunscreen that was in the boat twenty minutes before we were done. Yeah, we're like putting the rods up, you know, like I head back to the marina. I got you need some sunscreen, man, Like, I got some right here. I'm good if I get in an old fishing any fishing boat that does not have at least ten year old, ten year old sunscreen and old sunglasses, some old sunglasses, uh, worn out hand and some stuff like that, it's not a good it's not it's water telling, Dylan, you said that exact you know, by the way, would probably talked about red line guys. Everybody dealing uh has definitely got a cool boat. At least you should go right around with real fast. He's a cool dude. He's got great gear. Yeah, yeah, for sure that you put that the microphone. Please. We ever went real fast when we were in the boat, I don't know, I mean we've got to sixty miles now, on the way back. We got real close that, you know, that morning before y'all got there, there was four of us in there when it was just getting It's like, yeah, twenty inches above the water at that point, everybody's going sixty and the encapsulated vehicle whenever, yeah, whenever, you're out there in a piece of fiberglass and you've got what literally, uh, I don't know, eighty square inches of metal touching the water and that's about all this touching. Yeah, that's pretty sketch. It's like you have a driven motorcycle, you know, seven miles an Now we're like a ski do you know, like you understand like that that's a different, different animal than being in a car do. I ain't about that life on the jet ski thing. I don't like jet skis. I ain't ain't into that. Dude's too fast, they're too unstable. But I mean, hey, that boat wrote good. It was good driver safe, Yeah, until turned to spoilers the wrong way on the way does the dead hands. But other than that, he put us on some good fish And I will say so he was professional. He had really really good gear. He knew how to use his gear, and he cleaned fish super quick man. You know, he took really good care of us. You know, we were you know, Hunter was his friend, so, I mean he was a little nice to him, but was his friend. But I would definitely suggest that dude, man, he was his cool dude. It was cool stuff. And little I know that he is the brother of a guy go church with him. So and even didn't even know that figured No, I didn't figure it out. I mean, I'm just not We talked about this. I'm not a Rains native, so y'all have this like you know, telekinesis that I don't really understand. We're like you all know who knows each other? I don't know, but you know, I tell you Dylan's a third generation fishing guy, you know, and his grandfather before him, before his father. Dude still out fish every one of us. You know, it's just without a tiny tiny town stuff, without not even a graph. And that dude hook he doesn't run a graph and I've never seen himuppa stop. I'm serious, he gets on fork without a graph. Don't don't miss the zaga. It's like I'm talking about Yeah, so you know Jim Jim mac He's uh, they have a he used. It does a lot of catfish stuff and they have they used than kings, right, and uh, I guess that's what they use. They they've used it, I guess at some point. But they have the same type of bait. And they've got a stick that they used that was used by our friend Andrew's granddad, so they have kept the stick. It's a wooden stick like that just lunch and it ain't like a manufactured stick. It's like out of the woods and they've been using the same stick for decades. But they get that nil on uh punch bait or whatever out of there and put it on a hook. Legacy, man, you know, we have a legacy of falling in the boat. So if you're new to us and and maybe new to our YouTube channel two or even an old tim to viewer, go check out our YouTube channel because we've got a lot of stuff coming out for the spring. We're gonna be doing a lot of turkey hunting, like we talked about with Daniel here, and then also one of the big things in the public land game especially is saddle hunting these days, and uh in particular, we're gonna have a lot of saddle content out there, And I don't mean the old horse type saddle. I'm talking about hanging from a tree dipper type saddle. All right, we're gonna be doing all kinds of evaluations of different types of saddles and maybe talking about some tactics and even how to shoot deer from one right. We actually did a little bit of that this season. I think, uh um, what was it like six or seven to year died from saddles last year at the hands of the Element crew. So be sure and go subscribe to our YouTube channel and check out what we've got going on over there. Legacy man, legacy, you know we have a legacy falling in the boat for the Smiths. Yeah, really, I fell on the boat. She didn't fall out of close. I almost caught you, man. She was like looking at something else and then you like came to my field of view. Anybody, our friend Cody Baber can get a phone out of his pocket quicker than anybody. Any time we hit a stuff on that day, he's got the phone out there. He's like, you know, because he's got thirty eight hundred landowner contact just sweet old ladies that he meant and who knows where that he's only trying to just sweet out of sand the Christmas text too or yeah, exactly, that's for sure. Man. That's cool. Well, dude, thanks for coming down this weekend. Thanks for having me. Man was a really really good times. Thank you man, Thank you. And sharing the boat was fun too. Man. I'm glad that I could have you there to kind of run middleman between me and my granddad. It was a great time. It's a good time. So I did, like at the very end, um so, guys don't know, I don't drive boats very often, and he just so I was outside the boat standling dot kind of holding there, and he just got out and started walking away and he's like, you can you can put on the on the trailer right, Like, I guess I'll find out how do that the top not job? Thank you to my dad. I was like, I don't know if he ever does this, but he's doing good. I had to back way up to get like get straight and steady. It helps. You did it on a good night where there won a lot of wind. Yeah, for sure, and there wasn't like a stack behind me other people who Yeah, that was one of the first things I learned to do to the first levels of anxiety I ever had was because that's not just a new like eight year old pop thing. It's been that way since I was a little kid. Likes to throw you into the fire, you know. And uh boat ramp, which is arguably arguably the busiest boat ramp. Like he'd be like bat me and boy, oh gosh, ten years old. It's a two lane boat ramp. But I turned it into him like everyone's mad. Yeah it's fun. It was, well, I like to we're talking about earlier. Uh there's like a dock, really nice dock um, and so like we launched the boat and you go apart the truck. I walk out on the docks. You got on the boat because I thought that's what you do. You launched boat and Pop pulls up to a rock right next to us, over him, and he like looks at me, like what are you doing over there? And so I walk over there, and I kind of like claims the key climb ons. Yeah, So I home over and you you do the same thing. You're like over on the dock and you walk over there and and he has to reap this in the boat um around the dock to get you on the rock and you're like, man, too bad. They put that day doc there. You can be able to around easier. Yeah. Yeah, the docks in the like this rock tons of times. It was a good rock. It was it. We've been some good pop stories on the podcast. Okay, see his dad, but which is literally we've had more requests for him, I think than any other guests we've ever had. After we had him on though. Um, we had a lot of pop stories, man. And it seems like he ain't scared too much. Oh he's not. Man, I love him to death. He is getting older, you know. She kind of gotta watch that for me a little bit. And uh, it's pretty cold this morning. It's probably forty eight fifty when we hit hit the water. You know, the dudes got on, um, a button up shirt and an undershirt. But the button it ain't even a flannel. I mean it's a jacket. No, you don't. We sit on the boat and you're like, man, where's your jacket. I got a jacket on. He's like, no, you just have that on. And he was like, yeah, he's a ship, we're a flannel. Yeah. And by the time we got back to the truck tonight, he was like, how do you turn the heat on in the truck? Yeah? It was hot, but yeah, I don't know. It's at that weird stage of like, um, I also don't want to give up my jacket to him, but probably the next time I'll have to give him my jacket. This time, I want to see if he learns a lesson. If not eight two years old, you're admitting to trying to teach him a lesson, man, trying trying. I like him because he about half the day he goes, don't get you. He goes when are you off work next? And said what are you getting now? He goes when did he come back down to fish with us? And I was like, okay, okay, I like you man, Yeah, that was a good man for sure, especially if you will get up and new stuff for him. He's getting a point now. We're like he just kind of he's sit in the chair all day. He didn't really do much, but I'm like, he's out there. Yeah, man, he enjoyed himself, I think so. I mean we we were out there from what nine to seven? Oh, he missed a nap, he went and went to bed. I guarantee you though, Yeah, sure, yeah, for sure, what would Pop have done if you hand him a sick of jacket? And would he had been real surprised at how warm it is in light? He wouldn't even think, I bet you. I'm just saying like what he had said, what he had mentioned, like, oh that's a nice jacket. Oh my goodness, we haven't told the best story. So we always have this thing about um. Pop hates artificial, hates it. I think it's stupid, all right. And he hadn't caught a fish all day. He's been dabbing around this brush pile on this beaver lodge with his cropper manner and his salty for probably thirty minutes. So I finally get up there with a g because I mean, y'all know baby lodges and where it's a right. I talked this thing right at the mouth of beaver lodge, I feel like. And then I hit it just a couple of times and boom, I felt set the hook, jerk the fish up. It's a solid tupander maybe even under like a solid tournament fish, you know. And uh, I pull it up and say, all right about that artificial Pop just not even looking skinny, like I don't even think you asked him about it, you pull it out. I mean it's still in a line. He looks a little skinny. I think the best player about it too, was we were like kind of there's like a there's like a log here. Casey's trying to like trying to position boat so he can throw on the other side of this log. Pop trying to get us into this little cove. So he and stick his cane poll closer to the bank. So and like you're you're going, hey, I'm in this tree thing, and he's like, does not care. He's like unhooked. So I get closer and throws croppy jig in there and pulls that past out and he's like asking, so skinny stories can go on. It's yeah, it has become part of the Norman like, oh man, yeah, but I think it's getting light enough to where we can shut this thing down and get some sleep. We got church in the morning. But for sure they know I'm glad we got to hang out. Man. It's my pleasure. Man, for people you know who are hearing you on our podcast the first time. This time I'm working and they figure out where you're at. Yeah, So hunt fish heat podcasts and the podcast UM on Instagram hunt fish Heat podcast. If you go to Apple iTunes and UM Spotify you that's hunt Fishy podcast. Facebook same thing, hunt Fishy Podcast. So hunt dash Fish Tosh sheet dot com. UM is our website. But yeah, I just got started about a year ago and UM, I like to hunt fish and eat too. Man. It's very complicated, very basic. Like you know, you're you're based, as the kids say these days, very on brand. Yeah, absolutely better than me and basted black turkeys. Though, do you have a signature sign off that you normally do? Um, catch on the flip flop That's what you said at the end of the podcast, kind of like that. Okay, all right, so you wear flip flops. No, no, not that kind of guy. Me neither. I'm closed to catch you on the sands, catch on the kings, man. I've heard you'll call them Jerusalem cruisers because you know, Jesus probably wars handles. So all thought it was because like the like yuppy Christians that go visit Jerusalem usually where they go and I could be it too. I don't know if it's pejorative, but yeah, you don't. They'll call the mandals sandals. It's very very much like a SBC youth minister shoot, you know. Manh yeah, Hunter, thanks for joining us on this thing. Man, thanks for saying my life so I could be here on this podcast. Yeah yeah, perfect. Well yeah with O mill ties. Those things are frozen solid, dude. Way about a minute. Well, I'm about to eat only frozen sausages. So guys, remember this is your element, to live in it

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