00:00:00 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Tyler Jones and you're listening to the Element podcast. Can go back seventeen gets out of friends with tears all around on the gratulation kids, it's just a few things. What's happening on all which people? The white Tail weather Man here again with Casey Smith, everybody's favorite Casey. I'll let you do the weather report last time. Give it to me, Okay, I guess all right, So it's raining. It is, but it's kind of like it's like your least favorite kind of day, right it is. It's actually started to rain a little bit more intensely out there, so it's a little bit. Uh. I told you earlier that when it's just kind of misty outside, I don't like it because you kind of want to be outside, but then you can't be when it's raining real hard. You've got this closure of like I can't be outside right now? It's okay. Yeah, I guess you could be if you were hardcore, but I'm just not hardcore. Yeah, well I'm weak according to that one comment. No, he said, y'all are so that's both of us. Y'all are week is what he said. Yeah, so it's I'm glad that you got you got, uh joined into that y'all are weak, but you did kill a deer and I the same day I'm criticizing you about that's yeah, I made it. You into the leather report there you basically gave it. But yeah, you know you you reported commentary color commentary. Yeah, yeah, okay, okay, I got you. You know what I actually, um, I never realized like when I listened to games on the radio, which my dad loves to do and has done forever, or because you know, football seasons are in hunt season, so we're driving, so we listened to on the radio a lot, and uh, I never have thought about, like how the dynamic of a like like a color commentary or and what's the other guy play by play? Yeah, like I've never thought about that dynamic at all. But there's one guy that's like he's dedicated to the play by play and one is dedicated to color commentary. And I like never thought about that. It was just like all these guys just talking about the game, you know exactly. I lived like it's literally a new thing on me over like the last year or yeah, I think I had did a lot like two years ago. Whenever I really start to understand. I didn't like Gary Danielson as a color commentary guy very much. He I'm sure he's a nice guy, but just like I started looking into it a little bit and it's like, oh, that's what's going on. Yeah. You know who I like that calls games these days is Tony Romo. He's the best. He's great, for sure. Um, we were listening to, um, who were we listening to? We're listening to one of the playoff games see Seattle and um Green Bay. The other day. I think it's like Marv Albert or whatever his name is, I can't remember. He's like an old guy, does a lot of NBA stuff and college stuff, but apparently does some football stuff too. I think it was him. I don't know for sure, but man, he was good. Like he was like painting pictures with like, uh, you know, he's like Rogers walks up under the center. His beard is growing, you know, like it's like frost the breath. You can see his breath, you know. Like he was like, uh, they're they're you know, talking about how they're lined up over the painted g or whatever, and you're like just picturing exactly what's going on. Dude, it was good man. But that was kind of why I thought about this just now. But I've never never like thought about that. It's a long star man, because one of my favorite books of all time is Old Man in the Sea. I don't know if you've ever read it or not, but you should. It's it's a quick read by or any teaming way. And um, there's a young boy man you know, kind of like that tween or age or whatever, who uh the like probably I don't really remember if it tells you his age, but somewhere between eight and twelve. It's kind of where I envisioned him. And he's kind of the uh uh main character in the book. And the book starts out you think it's gonna be about like fishing, and it is, but it starts out he's listening to he's in Cuba and he's listening to a baseball game in America, and he's like fantasizing about all the stuff, and he's like talk or the book is commentating or commenting. Commentating is a weird word there anyways, Um, he's painting this picture in his mind of the people playing baseball for the Yankees, and like, because you know, it's like nineteen thirties Cuba, so like that's the really cool thing, right. So anyways, that's when it kind of struck me reading that that, Like that used to be a really important thing because you didn't have this video playing where people just kind of had to talk over it. Uh you know, used to that's how you absorb sports. Like can you imagine being a sports fan before there was TV and like the way you kept up with what was going on was with what was said on the radio. It would be weird, man. I mean, I'm sure it wasn't to them because they thought it was awesome, Like, hey, I don't have to read about this in the paper. I can get alive the audio of this, like and then okay, so when you see uh, like if you were to see a picture in the paper, it's gonna be black and white, you know, so like color and stuff like that would have to be brought to life through at radio, podcast or whatever. It's pretty interesting, man, for cool cool stuff. I never thought about it like that. It's pretty pretty neat man. Speaking of commentary today on the podcast, we're gonna do some catching up, but we're not going to do one of these standard old season wrap up things or whatever. We actually got a ton of questions throughout Deer season about all kinds of different stuff, and we really appreciate all of you who take the time to right to us, whether if you got a question, uh and you want to our advice for some unknown reason, or if you just you know, have words of encouragement. I think speaking of lost arts, I think being encouraging to one another something that's pretty lost these days. I really appreciate it when people take the time to to love each other man, because, uh, it's uh, it's pretty hard in a in a field that we're in where like being tough is cool, you know, like it's pretty hard to be anti or not anti, but like to go against the grain with that and just tell people that they're doing a good job. So thank you to all y'all who who do that kind of thing. But today we're gonna go over some of these questions. We've answered some of these um in person on social media or whatever like an instant messenger or whatever you call it a messaging, but some of them we thought might be a good idea to cover just on the podcast, and some of them we didn't answer very well, so this is kind of a wrap up or not wrap up, what's like a rehashing of of that question. Maybe we can give you a better example now that dear season is pretty much over minus me struggling with a muzzle Lotters. So we're gonna do that today. But first, um, it's the real struggle stick. That is the real struggle stick. That gumm it. Uh, I actually feel a lot better. I took the scope off. That was actually somebody wrote into about that. I took the scope off this week. I know we talked about it last week on the podcast. And I'm hitting way better open size. So if I can never just get an opportunity, uh, hopefully we'll be able to shoot something. But I mean, you just gotta see it here, Yeah, exactly, Like how hard could that be? I know, wait, we live in East Texas. It's a lot harder than you think, right, corn and all like it. It's not the easiest thing. Um, I got corn and green stuff and can't get a deer right now. They don't want the green stuff, Dude, they don't want the green So weird? Is that? Like it's supposed to be, you know, it's supposed to be tasty stuff. What else they eating out there? It's green right now. I think they like the woody browse stuff. I think that's what they go to. And whenever you've got that everywhere, it's pretty hard. I think when it gets real cold, they want the green in which we don't have that right now. We haven't had that since November, So I don't know. It's crazy. It's so weird. It's so different than what like as taught within the whitetail world most of the time, you know what I mean. South. It's a different animal man, for sure, it is. But you actually went and did something without me that gum you Tyler, knock and go. Um, but you've gone and done. What have you gone and done? Uh? Just what you want to do after after after tagging out in November is what you wanted to do. Uh? But um I went bird hunting. Yeah, so uh, I went to Kansas and dude, it was so much fun. Not to make you feel that's okay. It was so much fun. Had a lot of fun this fall. So I can't. I can't be like two super gels or whatever. The more fun the better, Like there's no one who's gonna argue that point. But you know, anyway, Yeah, there's there's some you know, different funder opportunities that could have happened out there for us. But it was fun. I had fun too, But I found on this trip, uh in particular. Um, we went after getting things squared away with my dad, um because he can't remember things very well. Um, finally getting the details and everything we went up for. I guess it was like two and a half days basically hunting and uh uh we had big crew man. We had my dad and I Drew who we've mentioned on the podcast before, um, and and uh a bunch of Drew's buddies. Um that one of them has bird dogs and he brought six bird dogs, so we had plenty of dogs. Um. And then a couple of them are a couple of Louisiana boys that probably are just enjoying this week so much right now, being that l s U just one and then another one that's from the Metroplex. That's one of Drew's friends that uh I hadn't met before, but I've texted with Withdrew handy. So anyway, that kind of lays the picture out for with who all was there? Um, But yeah, man, we uh like we it was cold, a cold front came in like and so the first morning it was like thirteen and below. And actually the first morning wasn't quite that cold. I think it was like in the twenties, uh, maybe upper twenties. And it was blowing like just a consistent north wind that like it wasn't really gust. It was just like this constant like twenty mile hour that's just just like literally I would feel like I'm aging right now walking into this wind. Aging is what I'm doing. Like my face is just getting blistered. And uh, Anyway, we hunted. The wind made it difficult on the dogs, I think a little bit um, but we jumped. What you said, you mean they're smelling ability, Yeah, I think so, just kind of just you know, swirling in the grass and stuff. But we went to the first spot. I was just by you and Drew uh ended up I think jumping uh at some point late last year, and um we went with you know, we had the dogs or whatever, and the grass was awesome. I mean like four to five ft grass, um, sons of tons of sunflowers and stuff, you know, and so I was like, man, there's gonna be something here. We jumped like two hen pheasants and uh, nobody shot, so that was good. Um, and then explain that a little bit. Well, you can't you can't shoot hens, at least in Kansas, you can't. Um, so you have to be on your game, especially if they jump up while you're facing into the sun. You just gotta If it's not super long tail, you just pretty much don't shoot unless somebody you know, it's like room star, and then you shoot and you hope they're right. Um, which I was able to tell pretty much everything that jumps up and my like my dad and some of the older guys were not able to tell all the time, so they were relying on us to say him real out or rooster real out, you know. So anyway, um, we jumped those and then we These guys are all, um, you know, older than me. A lot of them are my dad's age, a couple of them are little bit younger. Um, and so they are uh not willing to walk around on big chunks of public grassland as much as me probably, and uh so, and that's fine, I mean whatever I was. Frankly, I was pretty tired at the end of the weekend from walking you know, so I'm no, they were just like probably sores could be especially Drew because um, you know, he's just basically it's just a shot to him them. This is podcast anyway. He he uh, he was a champ man. He went through it. But during his old canvas he's got some like really, I guess they're that way. Yeah, it's like old campas chaps. And uh when he helped me look for my buck, he wore those and I was like, do you smell like a lot, Like I don't think you need to be wearing that as anywhere around wheel it smells like diesel. I didn't even smell him, but really, yeah, I never ruined the truck with him or anything. But yeah, maybe that's just how he smells. And he's pretty smelling diesel. Yeah, desl mechanic. Anyway, So we we uh we did jump a cubby of quail right there, which is with how was it an impression my dad was that they were like quail dudes, and they they and their dogs are quail dogs. They're not designed to like uh point for pheasants and stuff. But apparently what I was under the impression was that their dogs, um, the pheasants mess the dog mess with the dogs a little bit as far as like, I guess they smell similar to a quail or something. Uh and they run a lot and this and that. But um, anyway, yeah, it was just uh um, you know, I thought we they were wanting the quail, but after we got into some pheasants, like, everybody was definitely all about shooting some pheasants. That's how I am. Yeah, Man, a little bird, a big bird, I'm gonna want to go shoot some bigger birds. Just the way it goes, I'll tell you. And that's how I've always felt too. But after this weekend, I like the quail a lot. Yeah, because they're fun to shoot, more fun to shoot or one. It's just a fun experience. The pheasants cool. They're just different. And I know that like to some people that are out there that haven't hunted, that are deer hunting guys or whatever they're listening, it may not make a lot of sense, but they're just two different things. Man. Like a pheasant jumps up, it's like a dad gum helicopter taken off, and um, it's just feathers going everywhere. This tail that's just like waggon from you know, ninety degrees each way, and it's just awesome for sure. But then like if you get into a group of quail, especially when we're talk about hunting with a bunch of guys, like with a group of with a pheasant getting up, like somebody's gonna get a shot and maybe one other guy and that's usually about it. Well with a group of quail, like if it's if it's a covey of you know, ten birds, like a lot of times five or six will jump up and you'll get a couple of shots. And then when people start shooting, another two or three jump up, and then another two and three jump up. When you move forward, and like you know, you get shots and stuff like that. It's it's real challenging. And I've mentioned this before. I'm pretty I mean, you know this sounds egosistical, but I'm a good a good shot with a shotgun. I've shot a ton of shells throughout my life and shot a ton of birds and that kind of thing. And we used to shoot ski all summer, me and Cody Beaver, I mean, and we were we got to the point where we were like I was perfecting my left handed shot. I mean, that's what I was trying to do. You know. It actually came in handy one time on a Teal hunt um early season. I had been was he was during football season, and I had torn attendant in my right hand thumb. So I had a cast, like you know from like mid four arm up, and so I couldn't because of the cast, I couldn't grip the grip and the trigger and everything on my gun. So I just threw I started shooting left handed, and I shot left handed during Teel season and through the you know, the stock um or the pump or whatever, I would throw it over my cast and I just shoot one shot and then i'd have to switch hands pump and maybe get another shot. But not normally with Teal, you know. So I was the one shot guy, but I limited out left handed any morning. So we we had birds, you know what I mean. It's not like I was shooting or nothing, but anyway, I've shot a lot, and so I like the challenge of shooting quail man. It's fun. It's hard. They go everywhere. It's like baby helicopters getting up, you know. So but it was it was actually the birds are pretty tough, um, you know, like late season, they tend to run and not hold well. We had that happen some some but we also had um like there were times there were several times that we would um, we would have pheasants that wouldn't get up until we're just literally I mean we had dogs. We had three dogs working out in front of us, and we would stop at the end of the field and talked for two minutes, and then all of a sudden, this hen would blast up from like ten yards like I'm pretty sure dog just ran right over that thing, you know, and then uh, we had him get behind get up behind us a few times, like literally within five or ten yards behind us, like we had already passed them in the line. So it was weird, man, how they were doing. But the overall the hunt was probably a little slow for what the guys expected. Uh, but we did. We've got We found one field I'll show you later on a map. It was outrageous, dude. It was um it was a CRP field, but um it had previously been planning to milo I guess. So there was a ton of milo in there that was just like laid over and stuff seeds everywhere and dude, we we walked this field, they were calling me the well, I can't say what they were calling me, but it was there. They were saying that I was essentially a wizard, you know what I mean. So, uh, they were they were, um, really excited after this this particular piece of property. We start walking, We get like a hundred yards in and twenty five pheasants jump up at like yards. Oh it was insane, dude, It was insane, dude. One group Oh yeah, I don't know. They were grouped up that they got to, uh, they got to a kind of like a low spot in the grass and they got uncomfortable. And you know, the guys that we were all, we weren't quiet or anything. They just, you know, they hop out of the trucks. And for me, if I was doing it, I would tell everybody. If it was it was me in leadership position, I'd be like, hey, y'all, be quiet, don't slam doors, Let's get out and let's start walking, because I mean, you start making noise and standing around the trucks for five minutes and let the dogs run around. Those birds are gonna push off, you know what I mean. I think most of the time maybe not, but anyway, especially late season, they're pretty educated. I don't know how old. Like I'm assuming pheasants for a lot like turkeys, like a two year old pheasants probably pretty old one, but like, uh, two months of shotguns and dogs can educate a bird real quick. Yeah, I mean they know where the dudes park. And that's what I was telling my dads, was like, man, you know, and this is it is what it is. The guys are getting tired and stuff like that. But um, I was like, we're pretty much just walking the same circle that everybody that pulls up to this particular public land walks with their dogs. So like that's why we're jumping hens only a lot of times, you know. So uh, it was you know, it's just one of those deals where that's what it was. But we did go back to that field the next day and shot a few. I should have doubled, Oh my good, I don't because one of those deals where I pull the trigger on the on the second pheasant that came up, second rooster, and he was like probably like thirty yard shot, and I couldn't believe that he didn't go down. I mean, like it just like I just shot one. I pull over to this guy and I'm on and I shoot and it just he nothing happened. So I'm like, what in the world. And I was shooting my double so that was all I had, um, but man, it was it was. It was a fun trip overall. Really the birds are awesome. Uh. My dad and I got to hunt a covey by ourselves. It was really cool. I'll tell the quickly. I'll tell the story as well. We pull We're gonna walk this corner of this particular public It's pretty open, but there's like a tree in some thicker grass in this corner up by the road kind of, so like we'll just walk into that corner and see if we bust thing out. When we turn, um across the street or across the road whatever, there's um, I see a bob in the corner right next to the colvert and I'm like, hey, keep going. So we go like seventy five yards down and I'm like, we have to we have to walk, you know, across this this road and down this road and across the next road basically to get to the public anyway. So you know, if we're gonna shoot that bird, then you know, maybe he'll jump over there. And so we get out, we walk over there. I'm like, hey, these birds might be going under this culvert because there was milow on one side of the road and grass they were walking through the cold. I'm not a hundred percent sure, but I can see that being in the deal when I when I when we went up to the road, that bob busted and jumped over just really right over the road and landed on next to the other culver. So my dad and I like ducked down real low and walked real fast across the road. And when we got to the when we got to the public, as soon as we stepped foot, like as soon as we're coming up onto it and walking onto it, uh, the whole covey is right next to the culvert on the other side, and so they jump up. We're on we're on public. And so when we let him have it and we killed two and that was like, it was just an awesome deal, Like everything just worked out really cool and it was nice like me and my dad just got to do it instead of you know, yeah, and not not that I want to exclude anybody, because they were excluding us. You know, that's a different story. Anyway, it was a lot of fun, man, but they're real, They're real fun. Was like, really the camp man, just sharing the camp experience, dude, Like we had we had another guy who played guitar really well, Rod, who played guitar in camp, and so, uh, knowing that, Drew told me to bring my guitar. So we jammed a little bit. And I'm always weird about that. I don't like singing in front of people, like American culture kind of um gets weird when people sing sometimes, you know, when it's not like a formal singing setting like a concert or whatever. And so I didn't want to do that really. I was just kind of just one of those deals were like, you know, just weird. So anyway, the second night, I guess it was I pulled Rod pulled his guitar, Al pulled my guitar. I always started jamming a little bit. We played Ain't No Sunshine, which you were singing earlier when we were messing around. Uh, and then um, they asked me to play a couple of mine. So I played a couple and I sold handy some songs on iTunes. I was like, I've played one there has a good songs like, well, it's on iTunes if you want to go by you know what I mean. I didn't feel bad at all because Handy's uh fine buying a couple of ninety nine songs. But there was just a lot of fun stuff going on. Man, we uh we Drew brought a bunch of fish, so we did fish fry. I already didn't know how to cook fish, right, I mean that's what he acted like. I don't know. He made me and my dad cook it. But I did um a beer bat or shrimp, which, by the way, guys, if if you've never done one, it's really easy, like you can look up anything on online. Uh and uh it was really good, Like I thought it was awesome. And we used uh Drew and Medelo so a speciale so fancy. I don't know like if that's uh, if that you know, like the quality of the beer makes a difference, I'm sure it does a little bit. So they were probably Camaronez. Then oh what's that? It's shrimp in Spanish? Oh, I got you the yeah they yeah, I thought that was was pescadoors Fisherman run. Yeah, what's the was it? Is it a pesca that's a fish. Okay, I got you a presquito there, depends on what kind of pisquito bast morning. Uh nearly Yeah. He wore was ninja suit one night, just the mass dude. Like my dad was sitting there in the living room talking to me, and my dad loves like Drew is kind of like almost like the younger brother to my dad. They love to argue and they love to uh kind of pick at each other a little bit. And so Drew comes in and I me and my dad are talking and my dad goes back to Drew and he's guys ninja suit on with the fool hood and everything, and he's like he's like tiptoeing up to my dad and he pulls his hand up and you're like karate chops the back of his neck and he actually hit him, you know, but like he acted like he was going to I was dying laughing my dad just like you know he did. He wasn't having any of you know, it was fun, fun time for sure. Uh. I don't know if you told me this or not, but did you pull any cameras while you're up there? No cameras I wanted to, but man, it's hard when you have like, you know, a bunch of guys and I didn't have my truck up there, I wrote with my dad. So it was like, you know, it's hard to do anything that's slightly out of the group, uh thing when you're when you're into your camp or whatever camp. Yeah, for sure. So I didn't. I didn't get to do that. And I don't know, like I I videoed this whole thing the best I could. Um, I didn't get a ton of shots like kill shots on video because some of the pheasants stuff wasn't wasn't like I just wasn't ready. They just jumped up all of a sudden, you know or whatever. Um. And then I actually never got behind dogs that were pointing. Really they only pointed like three or four covees and think or something like that. And so I know, like I thought, well, these dogs will point the birds and then I'll just turn my go pro onto my head and do it and that, like I don't. I never had dogs point even the covey that the first covey that we busted that I was telling you about, um at the first place that was that was um, we had seen the covey come from out in the field and land out in front of us like a hundred and fifty yards so, and the dogs never pointed them. They jumped up. It's just crazy me. I don't know what it was. And they're good dogs. I'm not saying aything about the dogs. Um they're well trained and everything, but um, they they did point a couple of times. I wasn't with them when they did that. I would be like going and get in a truck or something like that for everybody, you know. So anyway, it was a lot of fun. Though sounds like a good time anyway. I was kind of long winded for bird talk, but it was it was. I had a blast. I mean honestly, like it was a good wrap up to a hard, cold deer season. I mean it was cold, you know, but like it was just a lot of fun. And we didn't get after it too hard. We didn't get up early, we didn't go to sleep too late, we didn't hunt util it was dark, you know, or anything. I mean, it was. It was a good time, man. So I'm glad that my wife let me go and I got to go. Everything. Well, I'm sad I didn't get to go. Uh maybe next year. Maybe next year we'll be able to actually shoot a couple of deer a little bit earlier and be able to just run around and have some fun like that. It would be cool. Um. So that kind of helps this kind of transition into what we wanted to talk about today. As far as you know, there's the general questions and stuff that we get throughout the season. Um. First question, all right, do you ever get so frustrated just trying to grind it out with archer equipment that you just pick up your gun and things fall into place? UM? I mean for me, I haven't uh necessarily done that. I don't guess. Um. I've killed a lot of deer late in December, um, over the years, and I mean there's been a lot of years guys where basically the only place I'm hunting this Kansas, just because I don't have anywhere to hunt locally, and so I just and really, uh, I got one tag essentially. And what that means two is that you're you can't just pick up the gun. And Texas you can. You can decide to go get your gun instead or whatever, right, but in Kansas you're restricted to one means or the other. Yeah, there's a short rifle season, you know, and so um we we should we go with archery equipment and and um. So you know I have kind of got to um and yeah, like I've never had an opportunity really to at least in a long time, to just pick up the gun and rifle season. But I know that that's probably coming from a Texas listener that has that opportunity. And I don't condone that at all, man, Like that's a condemned that at all. Um, that's a if that's what you want to do and it makes you happy, man, that's what I'm all about it. Like I honestly, Um, I've got a ton of points in Colorado for deer, and I'm thinking about you know, I'm gonna go mule deer um with those points. I've been looking at my hunts a lot lately, and as much as I would like to go up there, uh and use these points and shoot a big old toad with a with archery equipment. Um, you know, if I hunt like the run hunt, it's like five days, I'm probably going up there with a riffle, you know what I mean. So I've been thinking about that a lot lately. I mean, that's just dude, it's hunting man. It's fine, Uh, do what you want, you know, I don't know. If you're getting frustrated, then may get easier on yourself. And one day when you've shot a tun of rifle deer. You can not do that if you want to, you know, I can tell you. Like my version of that is uh well on Texas public too, if you're if you're a public hunter in Texas, a lot of times on news w as you're not allowed to use anything but archery equipment for for deers. You don't really have that option. But like the I think that um kind of that in a different sense is picking up a shotgun and going and shooting birds or squirrels or rabbits or whatever. Just taking a day away from whitetail and to just do something that's fun and easy and a little bit um like nostalgic somewhat you know, it will kind of help ground you and then also let you get back to having fun, you know, because I mean and all honestly honest honesty, uh honesty, honesty. Um, Like, hunting deer is fun. I love it. It's one of my favorite things to do, but you can end up making it not fun. After about day fifteen or whatever, you know, it gets to it's cold. Yeah, it gets pretty tough. So like sometimes you gotta make sure you're having fun doing something. So you talked about, you know, hunting in Kansas and this year you hunted Iowa, you hunted all over Texas. I've done some of that and been on most of all those trips and been some places you haven't. Not this year, but in the past. Um aging deer we've seen. We've got some questions about aging deer, and I feel like, as a non BIOLOGI sometimes it's really tough, but it's something that might be important to you if you actually care about, like the trophy aspect or management on your property or whatever. Um, how do you feel about aging deer around here? Like if you want to say, like the eastern half of Texas, it gets pretty tough to age deer on the hoof? I think, what, what do you think are some factors for for aging deer around here? Um? They definitely I don't know. This is a This would be a good question for our friend Cody Um because he gets to hunt some older deer and he um he he hunts them, he doesn't shoot a whole lot of them because he's always trying to make sure they're basically like he wants them to pretty much be six and so like at that point, I mean, it's it's pretty pretty obvious that that deer is what you would consider mature, like for sure five years old, right, Like, I think that once they get to like five or six, it's probably similar to other places in the country where uh it's kind of get a little bit populated and sway back, you know, um um. But like once they get over five, it's hard to tell how old they actually are. And then under that, you know, uh, three and four can oftentimes look um uh pretty similar. And I think that I think that one thing people underestimate but also is not a like given thing. But I think rack size generally you can you can make a guess based off of rack size of all the time, especially where we live, Like you're just not gonna have very many pope and young two year old running around now here you go somewhere in other parts of the country, Yeah, that's the thing that can happen. You really need to look at things. But like you see a deer that especially got good mass and good time length in a wide rack, like he's probably gonna be a pretty old deer. You know, Yeah, that's for sure a good point, and the mass is a big deal. The thing that I've ran into is, uh, that's I think even more difficult is uh judging age. Like when you get down the hill country, I just feel like they're all the same size deer. Man, it's tough, tough. The one thing that I've seen that's continuitists pretty much for any any deer that's not a Midwestern top deer is that the hoof size is a thing. Like I learned a lot from my parents neighborhood and they live, you know, in a neighborhood on lake where there's a ton of deer that don't really get hunted, And every mature buck I see run through there usually has like these big clod hopper feet. And that might not always be the case, but it seems that, Um, you take that and then like you go to the hill country where you know, a hundred fifty pound deer on the hoof is a pretty good sized animal. Uh, Like those deer they are all gonna kind of have dough necks and they're all this stuff, but those those those feet seem to always grow be on the bigger, bigger animals. And all the other factors can add it in there too. But what's interesting to me is that there's always outliers. There's always a deer. Like I mean, we talk about hog Body all the time in Kansas, right, there's always this deer that next you question everything you knew. Like you saw himhen he was probably eight, and I mean for sure, like, yeah, dude, us we call him hog Body because we had pictures of him and he looked like the oldest tank of a deer that you ever had seen. Well, when I saw him in person for the first time, amongst other dose, he was smaller than the dose. He was just built like a fifty five gallon drum. You know, he's old, he was, for sure, but like he also was a midget here. I mean it was literally a midget here. It was the craziest thing going. I was like this deer of like my dreams is now a laughing thing, you know, like it's something that I'm laughing at now, Like yeah, so, um, you hunted a lot of public and Texas this year. Uh, we get a lot of questions about where to find public land of Texas, and some people like, there is public land of Texas. And some people are like, oh, there's play public land of Texas. It's somewhere in the middle right there. Um, Texas Parks and while life has some resources there. Uh, they're okay if you can find them. Their websites a little harder to navigate. Sometimes on X is always gonna be probably the or not. Maybe not always, but for right now, on X is the king of finding that public land stuff. You gotta pay for the premium membership. Um. But but then you have to cross reference it to know that if you if it's actually open to walk in on, especially exactly if it's actually open to hunt or draw, or sometimes there's public land that's just doesn't have any access to it, which is a whole another separate Texas issue altogether. Um. But I think that would be my answer for frighten in some public land of Texas. Um. Also, there's the really old school way works pretty good in Texas too. If you call your regional Texas Parks Wildlife office, they usually have a pretty good idea of where you can hunt. If you're looking for a place to hunt around the house. You've got anything else? Oh not really, No, I mean I think that pretty much covers it. I would say, um, um, you know you could you could ask for the booklet. I guess yeah, you could call and ask them to send you a public land booklet and and they would do that. I would definitely say that we are not going to tell you that's right. What what public spots would you check out in North Texas? Let me just tell you to check them all, actually all of them out. Yeah. My answer to that, um, like Tyler said, We're um, sorry, guys. We love you, every single one of you, but we're not gonna tell you like our spots. It's just not something that we feel like doing. We've worked really hard to find it. But if you want to ask us how to find a spot or what kind of stuff to look at, You're more than happy to give you our opinion. We're not experts on about near anything. Uh, but I would tell you, uh, just as a general statement, if you are in an area of Texas or anywhere in the country and you want to hunt public land, start with the spots close to home, because those are the places you're gonna be able to get to know a lot better. And then if you want to travel and go have some fun and have really low expectations, go somewhere and just try a new place for a weekend or something. But if you want to scout and hunt public land, like the way to do is to hunt the same place as much as you can. The way you can get a feeling for it kind of like you would at least, right, but you're just not the only person on it, and you can't run corn feeders. Sure, yeah, pretty much. Yeah, it's I mean, I think that, uh is a great point. I mean, we did the same thing in Nebraska that you just said. We we traveled to a place we've never been and we had super low expectations and we killed a velvet spike, you know what I mean. Like it was a ton of fun. Yeah. So, how how do you find like a good place to go out of state? Is this you ask him? Here? Is this a question? This is a question from a listener? Okay, a good place to go out of state? Yeah? Um man, I think that there are um anything in the middle of America, just about any state that you want to go to the middle of America is is going to be probably better than most of the places on the east southeast Texas, you know, in out west even but they're probably some pretty cool stuff out west as well that hasn't been super tapped because people love multar out there. And this is probably with public land glasses on aut imagine too, right, because in Texas there's some bad bone places. Yeah, private, But if you want to go out of state and just have some land to go to, do you want to pay anything for? Yeah? Where? Well? Another thing about Texas is I mean if you even if you wanted to throw in like the permission side of things, which we do a lot to anyone happening in Texas. I mean I literally have lived here my whole life, and I've Cody's given me permission to kill deering here is properly that's it. Nobody you know, I I came back from college asking for two years, couldn't get anybody to let me hunt deer or even howgs you know, I guess anyway, Um, So yeah, as far as like permissions and public goes, if you're gonna go out of state, um, you probably also stand a better chance in the middle of America getting for some permission type stuff UM or even out west maybe. I don't know, how did you decide in in Nebraska that that was a good place to go? Uh? Just it's uh, it was I found a place that was like ten and a half hours from home, which is about you know, it's getting close to the max that I really wanted to go, um because then you'd be driving from more than one day UM and then also pretty cheap and over the counter. UM. So I was not so you know, you have to put in for two to five years. You know, I would have draw depending on where you want to go UM as far as uh uh, you know, there are other states that are pretty reasonably priced that have big chunks of poelic um. Ohio is one UM that I've been looking at a lot. Well, you mentioned price. That's is that a big factor whenever you're looking at a stadium this year? I mean, But at the same time, like I mean, I don't know how much I spent on the iole tag if you include all my years of it for a different quality, animals, different expectations. Yeah, and that's that's something you know that Uh. I don't know if we address it much or not, but maybe not. But you know, like there's you're you're also looking for. If you're looking for the biggest buck, then you're probably have to pay a little more for it. And overall most of the time, so is really lucky or be really really good? I mean there's we no killers, uh Like Tony Tree Channel the podcast like that dude goes to every state and kills Johnt deer. But he also spends a lot of time he does. Man, he's but he's a different cat. You know, Like if you're a person who's looking to go have some fun, I would say one of the things you need to make sure to do when you're going out of state is to just be happy shooting a deer. You know, if you you can probably go find a deer. Well I want. I mean I figured out real quick that in Nebraska. Within the first or second day, I was like, I'm killing it two and a half year old because I see what's here and a three and a half year old where I was at. It was not something I didn't say. I didn't see what the whole trip and I was there five days, so you know, um this, Yeah, expectations, managing expectations, but also knowing that. Like, if you're gonna go to a state and spend and try to kill a big, big deer and you're gonna spend a lot of money on it, you have to be okay not killing a three year old probably, you know what I mean? And that's fine. Like that people get you know, people have been up in arms about you know, oh you're talking about me passing a certain deer you know or whatever, and I'm like, oh, I've already killed a few this year, and um, you know, I spent five hundred bucks on this tag. Like it's like when I went to Iowa with you. Uh, we were there for eight days, almost got to shoot a five and a half year old plus and uh you pass them three year olds? And uh, you have to be willing to do that whenever you go on a trip like that, Like you gotta understand what's you know, what's in your wheelhouse? What do you want to do? You know? And quite honestly, if you're wanting to just go shoot some deer and you're one those people like I like the meat. Uh you know, if you're that kind of guy, don't go to Iowa. Don't spend that money. Six hundred bucks plus all the points that you put in for don't do it. That's exactly right. Man, Like, if you're gonna go uh and be okay shooting a two year old, then don't go spend six hundred bucks. Don't go to Kansas and spend five hundred bucks. I mean, granted, you go to Kansas spent five hundred bucks if you want to. If it's not a whole lot of money to you, and you'll kill it to year old pretty quick probably, Like there's a good opportunity a lot of deer for you to kill two and a half year old. But they are cheaper ways to do for sure. And I mean Nebraska's one. Like I said, I didn't kill two in a half year old, but I think if I went to another part of the state, I definitely could have. So yeah, sure, uh Tyler. Yeah, we have a lot of listeners who only um absorb element content from one source. How can they subscribe to all of the things we have going on? Actually have questions like this, how do I subscribe? So how do they sub That's a tough question. But um, I mean you can find a lot of stuff from our website. Um, but as far as just keeping in touch with us. The only Wild dot com. Yeah, the only Wild dot com is our website. As far as keeping in touch with us, um, you know, you like us on Facebook, you um follow us on Instagram, and you subscribe on YouTube. But then you also have to hit the bell, uh to get notifications. So if you subscribe, you'll only randomly see stuff from us every once in a while. But if you if you hit the bell, you'll see you'll get videos. You get updates every time we upload a video, which is you know, uh, we still got a lot of deer hunting content coming out right now, which is cool. Yeah, I know, I mean, and it's a little slower than some brands out there, I guess right now, but like um, but it's also pretty cool that people are still getting new videos here in January. You know, if you haven't subscribed to YouTube, it's a good time to go do it because the next video is gonna have a giant buck on it. I know. So we got real close to so sad story. So this year you switched up uh your arrow in Broadhead stuff quite a bit, and would you shoot this year? I shot um a day six set up. You you I shot your arrows, um and better than I. Well, no fault of the arrows, no, I I've just had easier shots man and and um I got um I shot hundred grain the hundred grain Day six heads as well. Um, yeah that's what I did. I was shooting a lighter set up and Brian sent me some some heads, so I shot him with your arrows. And uh, I mean over all the results we're good. Um do you like shooting them? You gonna shot be you the next year? Maybe? Yeah, maybe maybe? I Uh I still um, you know, I don't know. I'm I'm a traditionalist or whatever. Like. I have a hard changing. Definitely not do today. I have a recurb and I can shoot it. I actually word shot than my wife on it, so that's pretty cool. Um And but I might stay with them for sure. But I mean, based off the results this year, it might be dumb to change. But uh, it just depends on on what all I go after this year. Um um. I they're heavy arrow and so um my pins are like maxed out on my side. They are like the pin gap you know. Um and so there's that. Um I was I was a little bit it. Uh you know, I don't know. It's weird because I killed every deer very quickly that I shot at this year with them, but there was not a whole lot for blood trail. I didn't blood trail the dough that was shot because I mean she literally ran forty yards and tipped over backwards. So I just came in from the other direction when I went to get her in the cart, uh in my truck and everything, and so I don't know exactly how much blood there was there. I know there's a lot on the on every arrow that I was shot um, but I mean I like, there was not a ton of blood on the animals. And I hit to both the bucks I shot, it came out like the exit was literally in It's like where the elbow is. It was like in that crevice, you know, basically right in the elbow basically, and I think there's a lot of loose skin there, but there was like no exit blood. I feel like you you had like an anomaly of where you hit all your deer where it's like it's just the spot. You're not gonna get a lot of blood trail. But they let's see two year deer died inside in the third one you saw when you got out of the stay. So things went pretty good. Yeah, it was. It was for sure like they were they killed good, you know. And I think that I've always thought shot placement as very important. It's it's chief because I was two inches away from remever bring your Kansas deer and uh lost him because and that's I mean ultimately, like you could probably shoot a field tip through something if you hit them right and you they would die pretty quick, you know what I mean. So, um that I don't want to like discredit the arrows or the broadheads or anything. I just I just am putting a high value on shop placement. So the setup worked very well for sure. Yeah. So um, somebody asked, what are ticks is deer doing in October? Especially on public land? Let me know when you find out, because I don't really like to know answer something something I've got. I've got some thoughts on this. Um, that's when acorns start to fall. And it seems to me too, you can't like look at the calendar and be like, oh, acrons fall October four. Like there's been some years we've had acrons fall in September, and then this year it felt like it was like early November when the acrons fell. So October was actually a really good month to hunt in Texas. This year, I didn't get to do it as much as I wish I would have. Uh, And um, October twenty three was a magical day. Actually, that's like the best cold fronts we had were in late October, which is when you want them a year before. I think the same deal. Oh yeah, that's right. We had the camera and from info from that it's I think. Here's my take. I whenever I read this question, Um, cold fronts are good, but October cold fronts are the best. Like a cold front in December doesn't do near as much for you as a cold front in late October. That's when deer are like, oh yeah, this is the time. And then you got cold fronts in December when deer like, hey, it's supposed to be all this time of year, but I might get up ten minutes earlier, Like it's it's not in a different So I think that, uh, they're in October, especially in public in Texas, because you don't have that aspect of corn or agg or whatever. They're gonna be probably hitting some some type of oak tree or even for Simmons right, there's there's there's a that that draw to some type of of masked crop is gonna be attracting dear at that point in time. And uh, I also think that in late October especially, you can definitely, even though it's Texas, get into some pre rut action and have you know, rattling grunt and all that kind of stuff can work. And I've scrapes, man, scrapes are where it's at. I would say, October, you want to find a place to hunt for sure. I mean, I know guys are itching to get out that time of year, but I would say that, and this is opposite of what a lot of probably big buck killers tend to say. But um, I wouldn't go into a spot that's if he at all like I would, I would say, don't go blow a spot out in October because I mean, it's fun to get out there. But dude, mid November in our experience is like I mean, we're at least here in East Texas. Like, dude, you if you sit a spot, a good spot, you know, three to five days in a row, like you're gonna kill you know what I mean, It's gonna happen, so like I would just say, don't blow a spot out because if you can go sit in mid November, November or so, dude. Yeah, we didn't get to spent any days in Texas woods those those days this year because of I would basically you know, I mean we were in Kansas some too, but like I wa was the the extra X factor this year. So yeah, that's just that's just a little side note. Twitch said, this is the what I danced around and didn't answer this. The question was October, and I said late October because that's when actually have a good answer. Yeah, we have not found a solution for early October yet people call it the lull uh. I think that's kind of more of a Midwest thing. I think for here, it's just the fact that it's usually still a hundred degrees in early October. Um. I think that maybe this season we might try to hunt water more because you we we had we hung a camera over the water and had pretty good early October movement to that water soil good good September especially, and then some early October. I feel like opening day would be like it seemed like maybe and it was only one camera, which is I wish I had more data, but in that particular camera, like, once October came, it started to become a trend that they weren't there as much, you know what I mean. Um So I feel like the earlier in the season the better for that, you know what I mean. There's some daytime footage or pictures too. Here's the thing from for me with October is I don't think that, uh, the traditional knowledge of evenings in October is always a way to fly. It almost seems to me like mornings are are a better deal because where we live, man, at sunset it could be ninety degree, but until about eight or eight thirty, it's gonna be in the high sixties, low seventies most likely. So uh dear, at least you're gonna feel like being on their feet a little bit more in the mornings. But maybe that's not when they're gonna hit water. I don't know, you know, run run, run cameras is I guess the best answer, And that's that's the thing that a lot of people, a lot of people want like a quick solution. And really it's just like years, a few years of experience can really give you an edge. The next year, So just run as many cameras as possible and try to learn to hear. Yeah. Uh, if you're gonna go to a new property, what are your first couple of steps when it comes to scouting and getting ready to hunt a new place? Um? I mean this is what everybody says, start with the maps, you know. UM, I usually start with the map. Um. One thing that I really learned this year, UM, And I learned this started learning this from a person that I met on on Texas public. Um that when like there anytime that you see multiple types of terrain or habitat on an aerial coming together, like it's a funnel of sorts, you know, I mean almost always. So Like for instance, when I was when I was hunting, Um, you know, this guy was like, hey check you know, have you checked this out on the map? I was looking at this, uh you know, and he was calling it a pinch or whatever. It's just kind of something, you know. But it wasn't really a pinch. It was just where things kind of came together. And I hunted there and killed it over there the next day. UM, not exactly where he what he was saying, but very close because I got to go I went in there and I found on the the you know, with boots on the ground, kind of found my my actual location of stand. But um, yeah, I'm definitely like I think you can a lot of times look for habitat coming together. Um edge is an easy one. I mean, if you're hunting, if you're hunting public stuff, then you're gonna have to, uh, you're gonna have to be prepared to walk into a place that you can see from an aerial that looks good and go, there's three stands in here. I mean that happens in Texas. If you can see it in Texas on the map, it's I mean, where we hunt, it's there's gonna be a stand there. Like we've found that in the last couple of years so many times. But that doesn't mean that deer aren't still using it right, No, it's just the thing. I think that one of the things that you need to prepare for in that is if you're going to be the guy who hunts those funnels, you need to be able to hunt on Tuesday, yes and see what the sign the people signs, like is there a fresh boot and the boot tracking there or not? You know, Um, it's a good point. And I and to further that point right there, Um, I went out with Texas Parks in Wildlife several years ago. Uh, we're gonna do electro shocking survey on Lake Fork and they do it at night. And I was like, hey, can I go out just video y'all and just hang out you know whatever. They're like, Sure, So I went out and basically falling around in my dad's boat, and um, we went to so many places and like lots of places were areas that I never really saw people fish. And they're what, we didn't shock any fish, I mean, like no bass. And then we go into um at the end, we we hardly shocked any bass, and they go they go doing this, Uh they're doing random spots. It's like randomly computer generated spots. So at the end they were like, hey, before we put the boat up, uh right over here, you know, in this little corner by the bridge, we always used to shock fish over here, So just let's go shock it and see, you know, if anything floats up and just you can get a couple of videos or whatever. I mean, I never even did anything of this video, but they were just trying to be nice, you know, let me see some fish. And we went into this a pocket and you know, it's a place that gets it's got docs lined throughout it. It's an RV park next to an r V park. There are like three marinas in this cove, like people everywhere all year, every spring since nineteen eight, you know what I mean, been been in this place. And we shocked up so many bass dude up to like six pounds. I mean good fish, you know, solid slot fish and stuff in there all throughout this tiny little cove. And I was like, man, that kind of like made me change my my thinking to what you're saying is like, you know, sometimes people fish spots a lot because there's a lot of fish in there and they catch them in there, and so like you may have to fish for the fish that didn't buy it the first time around, or he pulled it out before they hit it or whatever, you know what I mean. Sometimes and so like because I'm always like, man, I just want to go where nobody else is, you know, I want to I want to find that secret spot. And I'm like, FOURK, there are no secret spots. Everybody knows. I mean, somebody knows every spot pretty much. So uh, you know, same with on on the public lands of Texas. Like what we're just talking about. There are three stands in there because once one guy killed a deer in there last year and another guy saw a big buck in there a month ago, you know, I mean that's what happened. So can you can you be in there when nobody's hunting it recently? Yeah? I think some general things about how to how to scout and then hunt a brand new property. Um, let's just talk public and then maybe we'll talk a little private there. Uh So rip Harryan systems. Follow the creeks. You're gonna follow the creeks, you know, Yeah, killed on a creek, They're just gonna do it. It's just it's it's a deer highway because really it's a major funnel, is what a creek is. They don't cross them except every once in a while. Um, and then you can go deep or you can go real shallow as the tooth things that I'm just gonna leave it at that for Texas, Pelo. For some general things, UH, use trail cameras, but don't rely on them, and uh, don't be afraid to just pick up and move somewhere else whenever you see too much people or whatever. Now for hunting and scouting a brand new private place, it's a lot different. You need to first think about it's exciting. It is exciting if you're the only person that gets to hunt it, it's super exciting, especially if nobody around it's hunting that much. Um, you need to think about your long term versus short term. If you think it's gonna be a one year deal. If you think you's like, you know, hey, I married this girl and her dad has you lucky son of a gun. M Like, if it's that scenario, you really need to do your due diligence and um, you know, take some time, maybe hunt the fringes for a season, you know, and just and just watch and see how the deer use the property. And then you know, maybe you can kill a big book that year, or at least set yourself up for the next year. Uh. If it's short term, I'd say, bomby in, put you a giant cornpile right in the middle of it and and hunt. You know what you need to make sure of. And I'm struggling with that on my my own personal property, is that outside of one major wind direction it's real hard to hunt my place. So if you're gonna use bait, make sure that you've got good access to that bait, whatever that might be. Because if you got to walk past with a deer betting to get to your stand, it ain't gonna work out good for you. So I think that's the way to hunt a private place. Um. And honestly, don't be afraid of box blinds. I think I think that dear you used to him pretty quick and you can get away with a lot of movement inside of a box blind. You know, I haven't done it much, but I can just tell man, it works. Um. Also, even if you don't see something, you see a lot of tracks. I mean, there's something going on there. Uh. I just pulled the camera on public here in Texas. You and I got to look through at different times, had pictures on. Of course, it had been out months and months since the summer. Um. We hung this camera not far from the road after bombing in like three quarters of a mile and coming back and we were like, okay, we gotta get this camera out somewhere, and we didn't really find a place to look great. We're like, let's just not put it too far from the road and just find like you know, what we call a deer movement area or whatever, you know, or deer just kind of moved through an area. Well, we get up, you know, a third of the mile from the from the truck on the road, and there's a quite a few tracks in this deer movement area. It's just it's literally like creek bottom river bottom type country where there's really like no grass or hardly anything growing in the understory, and it's just like you know, twenty foot cedar elms and ashes and that kind of thing. But there's like a lot of tracks in this particular area and none of them are on a trail at all. And so we're like, okay, let's just face it from this edge inward where all these tracks are, and hopefully it'll pick up deer out there. And dude, it was one of the best truck caram pools we've had on public. There was several shooters in there, um, lots of deer walking in front of the camera. There was a deer in there the first night we hung it. That never happens, you know, Like, I mean, it was good. So you know, if if there's a bunch of tracks. There's something going on there, put a camera on it and try to learn from it, you know. So I think it's a good point too. Man. Uh, don't be afraid to throw camera somewhere. You don't even attend to hunt that year, just so you can learn something maybe for next year. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's that's that's a big deal. Hope that helps. YEA. What church y'all go to, Well, we're both Christians, so we'll put it that way. Where all members of the body. Uh, Traditionally, I grew up going to a Church of Christ. You know. I think that that's just where I go there. I don't what am I trying to say here. I'm not really tied to a denomination the truth of the matter, it's just where I grow up. It's the people I know and love right now. And I think that there's a lot of folks and a lot of places doing good stuff. Yeah, I'm uh. Technically our church is Southern Baptist. It's cold Believers Baptist Church and memory and um um, you know, it's the same same way. Like you and I have talked pretty extensively about beliefs and these kind of things, and like I mean, our churches are other than the fact that we have musical instruments on stage, Like there's nothing else different, you know, like you perceive things the same way I do and interpret things in the Bible that way as well. So yeah, those are uh, those are yeah. I saw, I saw maybe that was the same question, but I saw a recent question that was that. I think it was, honestly, find you a place that loves Jesus and read the read the Gospel, to read the Good News, and read the letters, and read the Old Testament, and then draw from that what you will and just do your best to live a good life, you know, like it's it's a whole lot less about where you're at on Sunday mornings and a whole lot more about what you're doing with the other twenty three hours and six days. Yeah, I mean that's it. I mean, for um, you know, just there's some there's a lot of good ways to get the truth. Right now. It's a good time to be trying to glean the truth. But it's also good it's also a pretty easy to get false teaching as well. So is that you know what I mean? So just yeah, be sure that what's said in the Bible is what you're what you're hearing, what you're listening to, because people will definitely try to lift themselves up and make man God essentially. Yeah, scary stuff. All right, let's scary duck on the continent, Tyler? What about it? Yeah, when you're gonna do something, Oh dude, oh you did, didn't you? I did a little bit. Yeah, I was Actually it was actually Star Wars and some ducks crashed the party, so uh no, we did. Uh yeah, we did a duck duck video recently that I think I released it too close to Christmas or something. Nobody really watched it. It's cool video, it's not. I mean, the thing with ducks is like I might be wrong in this, but there's not really Boot and Crockett ducks. There's bands and then, you know, a couple of species that people regard highly. Otherwise, it's just like some dudes having fun working dogs, working birds and things falling from the sky. So um, go watch the video because it's a lot of fun. But it's it's just really hard to have a super special duck hunt unless it's like You're on Fire video from last year, where there's a much deeper story behind it. You should watch. I don't watch that. It's the actual video. Thumbnail is a picture of a match a shotgun shell in a bible. So it's pretty cool. But I think definitely people don't look at that and go, oh, this is a duck hunt I want to watch. And you know, so, I may have messed up by not putting a thumbnail that lets people know what it is, but sometimes like to you a little bit artistic and and I thought that was a pretty cool thing. So it was a cool thing, man. Okay, So this is a two parter um. A lot of y'all are awesome, and you're super humble, and you're super hospitable, and you you want to invite us to go do stuff, and never stop doing that, please, because it feels so awesome that you think that for some reason, you'd want to spend some time with us, and we'd like to spend some time with you. However, here's the deal, y'all. Um, I'm not saying we we never would, so never stop inviting us to do stuff, and we'll try to invite you all to do stuff too. But uh, I'm gonna speak for myself and I'll let Tyler agree if he wants to, but we're pretty pressed for time being family guys, and we do about near everything we can outdoor wise anyways. Um, so it's it's don't feel bad or feel like we don't like you if we tell you man, I just can't make that happen right now, because it's it's it's not a lie. It's not Ah, you're not big enough for uh, you're you know. I don't know what the deal would be. I don't want to shoot squirrels, and that's not the case. I love to shoot squirrels, but like, um, it's just pretty hard for us to find an extra day somewhere to go and do something. So I'm very sorry if we we if we tell you man, we just can't make it happen. Don't take it the wrong way, because we we we we so much appreciate those invites and stuff like that. And honestly a little part of it is too, is like I don't ever want like our platform to really be away where we get to do stuff that we don't really deserve to get to do either. So I what do you think, Yeah, that's might I feel the same way. I think, Um, this is just what. What we're trying to do here is just say we're sorry that we haven't been able to go on many hunts with you guys. You know what I mean. So, um, you know what I mean this this week, you know, just in particular, you know, I've got so many things. You you know, lead a youth class on Wednesdays and you gotta be there on Sundays most of the time. Um doing the same this year with uh, I got you know, worship practice on Wednesdays and we got Sunday. I gotta lead it. And that's gonna be a thing for a lot of weekends this year, probably, Lee. And so you add that on top of being gone with hunt season recently in you know, Christmas, and then you sports, and you know your wife's got a busy job and everything too, so you want to spend time with her when she has free time. We're about to have a baby, so exactly even less likelihood than I'm gonna get don't. So I mean, we're just we're just trying to make excuses and let you know that we're sorry that when we don't. We don't want to want you guys to feel big league or anything. Yeah, whatever, that what Brian call it high had it or something like that. That's pretty good man. Yeah. So along with that, we've had a couple of people reach out to us and say they'd love to do a big buck breakdown with us. Um, and never stop sending your pictures a deer, because it really helps me to realize how I'm not a very good hunter. But no, I just love looking at pictures of dead stuff man, like big Bucks and the story and everything. I love it when you'll write to us and tell us the stories and send us the pictures and all. But um, on those big buck breakdowns were really try to do, is uh, do those with people that we we know really well or are at least close acquaintances that we've met through the hunt industry or whatever. So don't feel bad if we if we say no, you know, probably not because it's just not fun to get to know somebody over the phone. I mean, honestly, in full candid. We do it for our standard episodes pretty often, you know, like we'll interview by allogis that we don't really know, um because they are considered experts in their field or whatever, and we get to know them through and it's not always my favorite thing to do. I'd much rather get to know somebody on a personal level and then you know, hey, come on the podcast, you know, which we get to do that a lot, like our last episode with Lindsay Thomas. You know, it's just buddies having fun and talk about Oh my gosh, it's so good. So um, don't feel bad if we say no. Let's just try to uh, stay in touch and build a relationship and maybe, you know, in the future, you know, we can make that happy. That's what I told guys, is like, hey, you know, maybe maybe we'll meet at an event or something that sometime. You know, are you gonna be at Dallas as Far Club or whatever you know you're gonna Are you gonna be at um, you know, any shows, or you're gonna go to b h a night or something like that. You know, I might show up or whatever. I'd be I'd be glad to meet guys if I didn't have a whole lot going on, you know, and and do that. I just don't want to because I mean, you and I technically met via the internet, you know what I mean. It wasn't on tender so yeah, it was. It was It was three your brother, I think brother in law on Facebook so or maybe maybe it's Cassie huh something. But anyway, yeah, so like I think the power of social media is cool with bringing us It has a power to bring us together and that kind of thing. So yeah, anyway, Yeah, I appreciate you guys sending pictures. I'll keep doing that. I like seeing it. It gets me juiced, especially when you all are killing bucks in like October, because I haven't killed one yet. To get out dude, it's it's like it's a hundred degrees outside, but he just killed a job. Yeah yeah, oh he lives in Minnesota. Okay, I see it was sixty there. We we tend to post a lot about Taco Bill and we get it size for not eating also sparritos. I'll have y'all know, I've never had an also sperrito. And the problem is is, uh, Tyler Jones doesn't let me have also sperritos because I've never got to eat one because he always ends up walking behind me. I don't know, we just kind of have this thing. I think that I'm usually guy with I'm usually the guy with the map, so I'm walking in front and then Tyler doesn't want to get uh, you know, poison gas while we're walking around, so it doesn't let meat Allso sparritos. And there has been a time, I think when we were going to do that thing and I got the last one or something like that. Son of a gun. Let me just tell you. Also has some some way that there's always only like one or two burritos out there. Maybe it's just I'm always a late at night or something. Uh. Did you ever get an official scientific age on Frank? No, I haven't gotten a scientific um piece of Frank yet, you know what I mean? Uh, every buddy Brennan still has him, So I don't know if I'll ever see head again. He better, That's all I can say. Have you seen have you seen Steve one or whatever his name is. Yeah, it's still a skull cap and sitting in the living room. Brendan is not mounted as elk yet either. Um. Where are we? Uh? We are located in Emory, Texas. That's where it's where Tyler and I base our operations out of. Um. What Texas pub do you hunt in your videos? Tyler? Uh? Depends on which video he's talking about. All of them, all of them. Okay, so let me just go through the list here. Not. We do our best to get out and hunt every piece of public that we possibly can hit within reason. Um, and that doesn't mean any type of radius around home, because we've been far from home on some Texas pub hunts. So uh, there's that. Um. Do you click your own milkweed? Usually? Yeah, usually we've got great. We got green antelope hoorns around the house. That's kind of the the uh prominent species. Uh it works, Okay, Um, common milkweed. If you ever drive through the Midwest at any point in time between August and springtime, there'll be some dry common milkweed pods. That's the way to go. Because there's so many pods on each plant. It seems like that green anilope hoorns ones ends up being pretty sticky most of the time. And uh, it still works, but it's not the best. That common milkweed is the way to go. Yeah, we got a bunch of Now, we got a bunch And do you have a bunch of it still? Yeah? Because I think my kids have been letting it out everywhere. I don't know, like there's there's stuff floating around my truck everywhere, but I can't find like I've only got like one pot. I think, Yeah, I've got one of those court bagg He's full of it. So I've got a lot deal. Um uh. One of my one of my buddies that goes as actually an elder at our church, but he's younger. I um he um asked me where we got it, and I was like, I told him, you know, we usually just grab it or whatever, and so I'm I would like to give him some which, by the way, he told me a cool story of the day. This is just side note. Um. He said that he killed a deer because of our podcast Dog. Yeah. He said that he had been listening and that he had had um he had had trouble getting deer bucks like in daylight, and I guess and maybe even at all really coming to his feeder. And so he took uh the advice of hand corning, and he hand corned like you know, I don't know, forty six yards or whatever away and put a camera up and he started getting deer showing up in daylight and he shot one. That's cool. Yeah, good buck man. Yeah, so lucky guy. He is a lucky guy. Yeah, Alright, Tyler, this this question is mostly for you because this is what you are, the man at Uh. I want you to break down where all you hunt in Texas? No, what a good public lands tell me you're gonna say weightlifting or something. Uh. Um, camera stuff. When you talk camera stuff specifically, we're talking about uh not show cameras, right, so like the stuff we use to video our hunts. Um once you let me just go first because my list is a lot smaller than yours. And what's the question? Is there like an actual question or I'm combining a bunch of questions? Got you? You You know because people just ask people ask what type of cameras? We've got? What type of fluid heads which if you don't know what that is, we'll explain that. And camera arms, which is what you mount your camera to in the tree. Uh. What I'm running right now is a Sony a X one. Uh. It is a traditional style video cameras. It's like a pro am or whatever. So it's like not really something that like someone who videos football games for a living is gonna use. But it's also a step above what like you're gonna video your kids soccer game with it? Films in four K films in sixty frames per second. Uh, low lights okay, and the zoom is really good. It's a pretty good camera for film and hunts, and it's really a lotweight and it's got really great battery life. Um. I like it, but I don't love it. And I think that this offseason I'm gonna try to move to something more towards that mirror list format, which Tyler get into a little bit more later. Uh So, if you're interested in a uh camera to film your hunts with, that's a pretty good one. Um, hit me up. I might be willing to let it go. Uh. And then I also run a go Pro Hero six, which is the same thing as a go Pro Hero five and seven and twelve and one. They all go pros, right Like the newer ones are touch screen and they film in a little bit better format and stuff. But that's pretty much the extent of my cameras. Now, tell us about your cameras and then we'll talk about the arms and stuff that we both well real quick. Um So, the one of the cameras that I think we've discussed um as being maybe an option for you cash camera. Yeah, it's pretty cool camera talking about that. Uh well, I don't remember exactly which one. Something Pantasonic Lumix. I think. I think it's like the four and fifty dollar one and it films in sixty frames per second. I don't know if it has four K or not, but I think it is the Zoom. Drew got one, so yeah, it was. He had it in four K format when I missed it this weekend. Yeah. So the Zoom is really good. Picture qualities excellent. I'm sure a low lot is not that great just because of the price, but otherwise, like talk about a good camera for for not a lot of money. It's like the job like a point and shoot kind of feel a little bit like it's like in size pretty much right, Like it's not. Yeah, I mean it's technically it looks like, you know, like what the DSLR cameras look like or whatever. But but the Zoom is like a electronic zoom that talk switch. Yeah, and it's like it'll go way out you know. Um, But as far as the low light goes, um, I don't know this for a fact, but um, I know that Cash has had trouble with his early morning duck hunting stuff a little bit. Um, he said it just I don't know. I was trying to troubleshoot for him, but he's not the most talkative texture and he was I was thinking maybe that he was running his I s oh too high, but he said, basically it looked like almost like cartoon like and I thought maybe also, if your battery is really cold, that probably was what it was. Yeah, so I taught them a couple of things like that. But yeah, I mean, I don't think it's the greatest of a low lot cameras, but it's affordable and you could do some pretty sick stuff. And we saw a ton of movement in the eight to nine thirty powers this year, so that's a plenty live for sure. And honestly, if you're not um trying to you know, uh have a high end YouTube channel or anything like that, and you're just trying to show your friends and family your experience, like if it ain't focused or if it's too dark, who cares you still be able to hear you go crazy after you shoot animal? Yes, for sure, Yes, that's a good point. And I guess that would bring me into some of the gear that I have. And we've done a podcast where we talk about a lot of this stuff, I think. But um, basically, my main camera as a Sony A seven S two, it's got about the worst battery life on the market. I mean it is absolutely horendous. Um. But I've been running an anchor. I think it's a two an e uh two zero one zero zero anchor power source. We both have that. Yeah, it's cool power source uh charges Yeah, yeah, I think so. It was cheap man. Uh and that literally I ran it on the Elk chinent, and I mean when it's plug it will plug into that camera and on the side, and so when you're running the camera, it's running off of that power source first essentially, and then when you turn the camera off and you're walking around chasing elk, it's charging your battery as well. What's cool is that yours will do that. My camera, the Sony uh cam corps I have. Once you plug that in, it doesn't let you record while it's plugged in. Oh really yeah, that's not good. Yeah. I think a lot of cameras are like that. I think that you've got to make sure and get one that will run off an external power. Yeah. Well, the reason I liked a seven s two is a it's it was pretty affordable when I bought. I don't know what it what it looks like. Now they've got an A seven four or whatever. Now a seven R four, I think, um. And then you know there are several different A seven models UM, the Alpha series UM and we we actually did nameless. We did with a sixty UM, which is a great camera. It might be a sixty three, A sixty five might be what I look at because the battery life is a little bit better, and it's fairly affordable, and the auto focus on those cameras was really good, really good. It's a quick focus um UM. It shoots four K, shoots hundred twenty two UM crop sensors only the crop sensors, so it doesn't quite get the light low light ability that they sent us to is and and not to mention the A A sevens too, like when you crank that I so up it's hard, you can't see the grain. It's outrageous because the reasoning is because the twelve megapixel sensor, which is low for a lot of mirror lists and and DSLR platforms UM. So somehow that low megapixel UH allows it to look like there's less grain, but basically so you can see videos on that. But anyway, the low light capabilities or why I bought the camera basically, uh, and it also being that it's more of their video style platform, the S series. Um, it'll shoot twenty frame per twond, which we use sparingly. Um. But it's cool to have. I also have um better for trout takes than it is for anything else. Yeah, it doesn't cool, it does. I mean, it's it's gotta when you use it, like you know, when you need it, it's cool. Man. Um. I've got also a camera that will shoot twice that slow, which is a Sony FS seven dred Um. If you're not looking to spend some series though, don't even listen to the next fifteen seconds here. But it's a it's a they don't even I don't even know if they produce them anymore. But I mean every like every indie video shooter out there, a lot of like indie video shooters that want to shoot like they're like side gig is like shooting on some bigger productions, you know, or shooting interviews or stuff like that. Have this camera. It's got great battery life. It'll shoot two or forty frame per second in full a h D I mean doubles a bazooka, doubles a bazuka. I carried around at every waiting to scare people and hurt my back because it's a big camera. Um, but it's a great it's kind of an incredible sensor. I mean, it's still like I'd put the sensor up against anything I've ever shot on, which isn't like a ton or anything. But man, it just shoots beautiful footage. Um, go watch rock Trolls if you want to see some some sick a s I'm sorry. Uh FS seven there's so many letters. Yeah, F seven footage for rock trolls, Yeah, rolls. Any of the stuff we've mentioned, we'll try to link down below. It's gonna be a lot of stuff, but we'll try to convince it, especially YouTube videos because we want you to watch our YouTube videos. But the rock troll stuff, all it takes are done with the F seven hundred pretty much. Uh. And then all the b rolls shot with a sixty six D, which is another camera. I have a Canon six D. They make a Canon sixty two now, which I would imagine, and I have seen lots of great reviews. I would imagine it's a great camera. Um, But I shoot all my skills with the cannon six d um, and that's I mean, there's rarely I do a couple of clips with that six D sometimes and sometimes I'm like, man, it's so pretty. I regret not using this more. But it's a dated camera. So um, the A seven s two shoots way sharper footage I think, now, um than that than that cannon does in most in most settings. Why do you shot away from shooting steals with the A seven s too so much? Um, it's because I'm not it's not as intuitive the Sony menus and uh just functions and stuff, or not nearly as intuitive as the cannon in my opinion. And maybe that's because I grew up shooting cannon. But I think, I mean, I literally, I really do think it's just not as intuitive. Everybody complains about the Sony menu, so um, it's definitely. You know, if you're gonna invest that kind of money to shoot, you need to learn a few things probably and understand some of the stuff. But at some point I don't want you to be like a researcher. I want you to be a hunter because it's fun. It's more fun. No, just people like better listening. Yeah, you know, I don't want them sitting there researching all day and when they could be fine in public land hunter exactly so, But those are the cameras that I shoot with, so go pro as well. All your cameras require a separate lens as opposed to mind being a cam quarter has an internal lens. Uh, what is the all around like a zoom range that a person is gonna need to film hunts with? Well if yeah, I like I like white, pretty wide angle shots a lot of times. Um, so I like the ability to have to do that. For the longest time, I had seventy millimeter lens. UM twenty four is fairly wide your standard. Like film a shot on thirty five in Hollywood, twenty four you can hold out in selfie mode and get a good sized frame of yourself talking. Yeah, exactly. Um, seventy allows you to, um, you know, get some decent footage of a buck when you're shooting it too. So like if you got a deer in bow range, then you can you can get decent utage with a seventy UM. You can also with some of these cameras you can crop in um with like some you know, clear image zoom with a seven S two or uh, if you're running in four K or HWO, they'll crop in as well. So you're seventy turns into a hundred or more maybe. Um. But I've got a lens that is a twenty four to two forty that I've been using. It's a Sony thing. Man. No, it's not a G series I can't remember, but it's it's a Sony lens native lens for my Sony camera. And that's been clutch. I mean, that's pretty much the that's what you need. Yeah, I don't know if it's like as look super high end as you're you're seventy two D or whatever not it's but it's still it's a nine hundred dollar lens or something like the job like it's a it's not a cheap lens. I mean, you can get some lenses that are, you know, seventeen to three hundred, but it's literally three D lens and it's kind of kind of look like duke, you know what I mean. So it ain't gonna be good, but uh, that lens at forties really because we can do all our interviews and then we can turn around and zoom in on a buck that's three yards out there and get decent enough footage should tell what he is. So a lot of people that are using camp quarter style videos exactly the way easier and cheaper pretty much that there's there's a there's a line you can cross. And if you wanna film with your hunts for your friends and family and everybody's sitting around like, man, look at that, you know, like it's just fun to do. Uh, just get a camp quarter style thing and you'll have a lot of fun with it. If you want to kind of get artistic, or you wanna maybe you know, have a YouTube channel or whatever, it's a good time to step into maybe something like that, do something mirror less with the external leans and stuff like that. And uh, that's part of the reason why I got the camera idea is because you already have all the other stuff. My camera has really been great for running guns style stuff like whenever we're on the ground chasing deer around, like with a decoy and stuff. My cameras what we use a lot of times because you flip out the LCD screen and it does everything for you and you can just hunt that way, you can zoom it while you're holding it. You have to use two hands to zoom it. You know. That's a big factory. Actually, yeah, it's nice. It is nice and and um so you know as far as all that goes like there, you know, Drewies, lots of these other brands, they use video style cameras. They're just like three to five thousand plus dollar video style cameras. But they're easy for you know, if these these brands have um, you know, guys that are not super experienced a lot of times running cameras, they'll have any you know, some college guy or whatever that wants to come run cameras or um, you know, hey, my buddies. You know, I got a huge deer on camera and my buddy wants to you know, he said, he'll come video and me shoot it. Um, you know, we want to be on Drewy Outdoors or whoever it is. I'm not just saying, you know, I'm trying to make any light of that at all, but um, you know, they'll send him a camera. Maybe that's way easier to work than what a dslrror, which would be the camera I have. It's very very easy to work and shoots good footage. So let's uh, let's hit camera arms and fluid heads a little bit and then we'll get back to some hunt and stuff. Uh So we pretty much have two camera arms. We've gone to using really one of those lately, but there's a lot of options out there. We used the fourth arrow arms, uh, the carbon arms, the yeah, the original ones. Uh, not so much because the arm is awesome, but the the shoulder mount, like the thing that mounts to the tree is real nice. It's heavy. It's not that much fun to actually work, especially when I have it's called the running gun model. Do not get that one. It's not running guns. It's the it's the run the deer off model. It's very loud and clanky, but I've done some mods to make it a little bit better. Um. But anyways, the deal with the fourth arrows is that you can mount that thing on about near almost any tree at any angle and make it work. You can mount it on a branch, guys, like a horizontal branch, and you can work. I've done it, yeah, because it's just you mount the bracket horizontally and then you just take that shoulder rotated and on the degrees and there you are, there you are. You know. The The only um or the big issue with with these camera mounts is that, uh, you can't do it on a little tree. It has to be a decent sized tree. I've I've had a double rap mine a couple of times because the trap thing doesn't work good. And then um after that. I don't know, there's not really that big of a problem with them, but I like them. Uh They're not quite as sturdy, yeah, I think either as the Muddy. So we we used uh Muddy for I used the Muddy for a long time since, probably like eleven UM. And I don't know if they don't even know what the model is UM or if they make the same ones pro arm or something like that. Yeah, that is something like Muddy pro arm or something. Uh. But it's like a triangular shaped bracket. UM. So you think about one side going up the tree, one side going nine ne degrees out, and then across the bar from each you know, from the bottom to the fully out extended part of the bracket, and then the arm goes in top. Super sturdy requires a fairly straight tree or straight part of that tree, which is just not we can't bank on that anymore. If you're Midwestern hunter, you probably which is where those were developed. Yeah, exactly, I mean, and and and if you're hunt in private anywhere, I mean we could we could do it on a lot of private pieces around here. And you can just keep that. You can keep it in the stand probably year round, throw a piece of duct tape over the hole or whatever. You know, Yeah, so it doesn't rest or whatever. So um, but yeah, like those those who are kind of the two options we've been running that that muddy is a lot more sturdy because of the engineering, um, but a lot less adaptable. In the fourth fourth arrow camera arm is a lot less sturdy, and it's mainly it's not so much as a base, I don't think as it is. The arm is just it's just light and flimsy, you know what I mean. Um, if you notice in some of our videos don't look too hard, but sometimes the it's a little wiggly, and that's because that arm and just isn't quite a starting it's either wind or we're moving and it moves around something. But they all work pretty good. Well, there's a new there's and there's a new arm that we've been looking at. I'm sure it's gonna be five thousand dollars, but it's a lone Wolf camera arm that's that's coming out, UM, and it looks like a pretty decent engineered set up. It's also designed to be really lightweight, so it could have its issues with steadiness and it definitely isn't gonna be holding the seven things. I don't think so either. UM. So something. I actually watched that video that they did about that arm the other day, and um, Cody was talking about the type of hit he uses, and he actually uses one of those. It's not a fluid head. It's like the kind that has a little screw knob on the side of it. You know, it's around. It's kind of interesting. And that's the next thing that we were gonna talk about. Its fluid heads. In general. I'll never used one, but I think I might look at that a little bit this year because I think they're cheaper. But if it's smooth, it would be a pretty nice deal. So this year we kind of ran into a problem. We had one camera or one fluid head that was pretty smooth, and we had one that was very durable. Um, and whenever we were in I was a very smooth one broke on us like bad, bad, like straight up. If I hadn't grabbed the camera, it would have felt to the ground bad. Uh. So uh that that was the But it's been a really good head to it and I think that we probably misused and abused it, so for sure we okay, so it's the be free by Man Frodough. Yeah, it's a fairly inexpensive fluid head that has pretty good fluid capabilities. I feel like, is it what do you call it? Fluidity? Has very good fluidity. Uh, it's uh, the way we miss misused it the most I feel like is we took it into the Black Canyon and put in f S seven hundred and a cannon seventy lens on that mug and you know, try to do footage with that and on a tiny tripod and tiny head and it's just it really, I think it's not designed to even hold that amount of weight. Um, so that put a strain on the internal parts and eventually, uh, they just continue to wear down. I mean we also used the A sixty three hundred and the Sony A seven s two with with that big seventy cannon lens a lot over the last few years doing deer footage, and I think that put a strain on it as well, last three years. So that's pretty it's pretty good. I mean, the ones that we're using now will probably last until if we used clear Holocaust. But I mean they're just just big old uh diecast you know, aluminum, just heavy, dooty little thing and they're not that heavy, but they're just they're kind of clunky. Yeah, they don't move fluid. The Slick I don't know what. I think it came on the They came on the three forty. I bought mine on a three forty tripod or something like that. I don't know. It's the one with the kind of square um what's the word quick play? Yes, uh so that's one of the problems with the Slick tripods is that they don't have like the standard quickplate style like the man Frodo's due. It'd be nice if all quick plates were the same, kind of like SD cards you're on SD cards that used to be different shaped ones. A lot of stuff, you know, like the memory sticks. I don't know. Now we gotta got figured continuity there. Yeah, it's good. Yeah, it is good. Yes, but we'll probably try to revamp our fluid head system this year a little bit because those I mean that slick ones like forty bucks and I bought another one because we needed to um, because we just couldn't make it through the season. Yeah, we we uh. We're pretty hard on our gear too, I think overall, um and we um. You know, we hunt hard. So there's a lot of times we're walking along ways in and I mean just every thing. When you when you're talking about adding you know, half pounds to all kinds of different gear, I mean, it gets it, can it can definitely add up. I mean I'm up by no means like we talked about in the back Country series. I'm not cutting my toothbrush in half or anything. But like when you're talking about the man photo head that I used for wedding as opposed to one I take in the woods, there's a different animal, dude. Yeah, well, there's there's a ton of heads that are way better than the ones we use, but you legit just can't stick them on the end of the camera because it wastes too much or you don't want to walk in the woods with this three pound head on top of a you know what. You've used that one on the money before. I remember mostly on private mostly Uh. We did you know we did some of that footage from Nameless, uh with stuff that we did in the past, and we shot we would take the FS seven and in the big cannon and in the big head and in the muddy and everything, and it would big hit hush, yeah, my big head. It's shot some good footage, man. But you know, at some point, like, uh, we just we're just not gonna be able to run into public places with all that gear. Yeah, And honestly, um, we're steadily creeping towards when there's two of us in the stand doing some handheld stuff because it's just it's not as smooth all the time. But like when you have a camera arm, it's pretty much set where you're going to be able to film deer, and a lot of times in these big, old crooked trees, or if you're somewhere where who knows which direction the deer gonna come from and who's gonna be the shooter, it's just easier to have a handheld. So and we didn't that the other day. The cameras have good stability systems exist days. Yeah, all right, hunting Tyler, what did your bucks this year score? I never saw that question. Um, I don't know. Yeah, I didn't score. I think that's the that's the point we're trying to get to here. Um when you say that, like if the deer's like we we give dear eye tests, right and we say it's about this and if it's probably over the one fifty mark some like, if it's solidly in the one fifties, you and I'll probably get out of tape. But until then, it's just I don't know. Personally, I'm not like I don't take a lot of like personal gratitude and saying oh that the year's shot this year, you know what I like? And if you do, that's fine. It's just not something I care too much to know about now. I don't know why, but like it, once you start pushing kind of close to that being c market gets cool to know. Actually, sure, I mean, and like it's not that I wouldn't. I don't know if I have as much time as I used to, and that's part of it. Probably, Um, I've never scored one eye jack, but I probably will one day. And he's in my opinion, I don't know if he'll go one fifty. You know, I don't know he might. I would think like if I saw him on the hoof, I did the whole that was a toad, you know. But like, I don't know if he will or not. I haven't really added him up in my head even but um, I don't think he has the longest of main memes because he's not real wide. But uh, I mean, he's just a great deer overall, and I would like to know what he scores, just so, you know, just it's just fun to just mess with deer, you know, and learn things about him. So but but it's not important enough to me to continue measuring all, my dear, And that's one of the things that I think has made me less score score oriented is traveling from state to state, because um, if you start talking score, you shoot a good deer where we're from in East Texas, it might score and that's gonna look like a toad. Well, the the same caliber deer. If you go to Iowa and shoot the same count, you know, in relation to the other deer around, it's gonna score one fifty. And it's just a good way to make yourself not feel very good about where you're from and what you get to shoot on a normal basis, honestly. So, I love going and hunting and chasing around Giant Bucks, and I've chased so many big deer this year. I got to think about the other day and it's like, Man, I didn't kill like I wanted to this year. But talk about if you want that moral victory of what you got to run around with, you know, and and see like, oh my goodness, man, it's nuts. Uh. But at the same probably what five or six um different operat I mean deer in front of you that were over pope and young probably huh yeah, Okay, So I run through real quick it Alright, there's Gert's eight, Kurt's nine, there's nine, Um, it's ten. Uh, there's plum Thicket ten. There is uh the private ten, there's the private young Tien. That's five. Um that might be that might be it. Maybe there's more. I can't Is there anything else? What about that um the one you saw after you saw the nine that morning? That was it wasn't that a ten that was had his head that like Russian All of Bush's at the end of one of our videos, the nine point video. I'm pretty sure it was a ten. I saw another deer that morning. I think you were walking out. I don't know, I don't remember. There's maybe maybe a six and then um and then what do you say, dear, I was within bow range? No, just that that you saw on the hoof? Did I have to be a hunter? Because if not, then those out with your account too? So yeah, as a hunter like five or six probably. Yeah, it's pretty awesome, dude, it's pretty crazy. I learned so much this year from being around those deer. It's nuts. So takeaway. Go somewhere where you can be around a lot of deer. You'll learn a lot. Anyways, what was the question? Yeah? Whatever, Okay, So, um uh, how do you feel about wearing hickers to hunt in? I like it? Yeah, I know you do. You don't, uh No, I I like it some. I also have to see the value in rubber boots, but I think that a lot of times I wearubber boots when I really don't need to. Like, if your access is good, you can get away with hikers. But I also think that if you treat rubber boots the right way, they're a little bit warmer than hikers. Yeah, I found I thought I found that this this way this year too. But if you get your foot sweaty in a rubber boot, you're at a luck chunk, You're gonna get cold cold. So I do the whole swap stock change thing pretty often. If it's pretty cold. Sometimes it's too cold to do the stock change thing. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Um. I like the hikers just because they're comfortable and you know, like I said, if the access is is okay, then you know on tory. But I also feel like the rubber boot thing sent um, you know, thing is kind of overhyped a little bit, especially with the ones we have where they've got the aprena on them and stuff. You know. I just feel like there's so many other factors. Like we had that young deer come in and lick all the sticks and stuff underneath our stand this year because our scent was all over it, you know, and he just wasn't scared for some reason. I don't know why, but I think it was kind of ruddy and he was just like, well, let's just you know, uh he uh. Like that just shows you how much scent you're putting in a place. If you exist somewhere, the stuff around you smells like a human, it don't matter if you just took a shower, It don't matter if you've got on rubber boots. It don't matter if you use some ozone. Like there's just gonna be some sin, right, So, like the rubber boot thing isn't something that's just gonna be a deal breaker. I think it could help a little bit. And we always talk about anything whole thing you can do to help, you might as well do it, right. One of the big things I like about ruber boots is the fact that you can cross creeks pretty good with them. And that's kind of especially in Iowa there's creeks everywhere. It takes. The public plans a lot like that too. Uh So having a rubber boot, just having that security is pretty nice. I don't know, that's kind of my take on it. Um, do you hate mosquitoes but you really don't like them? Uh do you ever use the thermo cell? No, because I don't have one. You know I have one. We never used it. Next year, I need to get it. Gonna beat you up real quick, get it out us. I actually got it out something this year and never didn't really need it that often. I ran it. Remember that video that I uh took of me shooting the pig, It's on YouTube. I ran thermosill that day. I don't think it helped, you know, I don't know. I think we we used the thermocell in Nebraska one or a couple of days from the one. The first morning, I think we used him. Anthony. I went, like, we went so far back into this place. We saw one deer. It was a buck, was too, probably two year old buck, at like sixty yards. We're hunting from the ground because things just didn't pan out on I been there on those kind of huts. We were sweating so hard. I was like ninety degrees. Uh, it was supposed to be it actually was supposed to be like ninety four that day or some No, ninety seven is what it got up to that day. It was hot, hot that day, but that morning it didn't. I mean, I couldn't tell you if it made a difference. I'm I'm just trying to explain to you, and I can't do it. There were so many mosquitoes, dude, you know, Like I mean, we talked to Tony Peterson, he was up there in the same time, and he goes, Dude, I've never seen the mosquitoes like this. Like it's just it was a bad, bad year from mosquito. So like the thermocell didn't keep him away. I don't know if it kept some of them away or not, but they were pretty outrageous. If if I have to, if I have to fight mosquitoes like that again, I might quit. Am I not going like the hunt was so much fun except for the mosquitoes. It sounds like it. Um. Some person wrote to us and we're gonna follow up with him a little bit more, and that seasons over to maybe, uh see if we can be a bigger help. But Scott wants to start hunting and shooting a bow for a year, never hunted, none of his friends hunt. Uh. He used to know where he should go hunting and what he should should expect and if he should buy a hunt. He really would like to do everything on his own, but he doesn't really know what he's doing. Advice for him. I would like for somebody who's listening to this podcast right now to give us some advice, because that's a tough question. Man. Um I gave him some advice to get involved with some of maybe the hunter um you know hunter groups that are local or whatever, whoever that might be. UM. You know. But the thing is, some of these groups that are that are pretty popular right now, they would rather all meet up and have a beer than actually, you know, teach hunting and that kind of thing, which is okay, I mean whatever, but UM, I think that um uh, you know, it's it's tough when none of your like, you don't know anybody that hunts. I mean I never never had that issue. I mean even if my dad didn't hunt and teach me how to hunt, I could have gone to just about any dude in my high school. Probably fifty percent of the dudes who had hunted or knew how to shoot a gun and hunt it a little bit, you know whatever. So it was not a it was not a deal for me that I would be familiar with UM. I I would say, watch as many YouTube videos as you can to learn UM and don't get too uh. If it's too entertaining, then it may not be completely true. Old look for if they have more than one advertisement within the first five minutes, maybe maybe take that with a grain of salt. Uh so uh I think those are those are good. Um. I think that I would tell him if he wants to do everything on his own too, forget dear and go to some some public and walk around and try to shoot a hogwards bow because uh, it's it's an obtainable thing. Get the wind in your face and go to walk and you'll get within bow range because um one of the things, especially since he's decided to start with a bow, which I think is really cool, and you'll have more opportunity in the long run to to hunt because of that. Uh. It's a much more difficult weapon to use, um, especially when you draw back on your first deer with with the with the BOWH My goodness, man, I don't miss that feeling. Tell you this right, don't matter, um, but uh, get get that first kill under your belt with a pig something that like you can do and even um, once you do that, like maybe embrace the the spot and stock hunting, because um, you might tick some people off, but that's their own problem. Uh. I think that if you want to go kill a deer walking around with the wind in your face on a day when you can walk quiet, it's probably a pretty good way to do it. It's uh, that may be like the best way to get started, right, because all you have to do is know where the wind direction. Yeah, Exactly don't have to buy a stand. You don't have to know about all kinds of other stuff. Yeah, you don't have to find a trail, and you'll learn a lot about where your deer are because Exactly might can put some pieces like, hey, I've seen three deer under these trees and all the leaves are falling. There's these round things underneath them that have meat inside of them. You know. Like it's a good way to learn and a good way to see a lot of stuff, and you just don't have to commit that much. Um. I like that. I also think he asked about buying a hunt. I don't think that that's the perfect solution. I think that you could tweak that a little bit and find a way. I think that Uh, Texas is full of people who, um, might not be the coolest, and it's also full It's also full of people, he struggled. It's also full of people who are super hospitable and and super loving. Um, I've been on leases both ways, right, But there are a lot of leases in Texas that are six gun lease is and there'll be a guy who's the head of the least, the head of the hunters and uh not a headhunter, but uh the guy who's like, you know, in charge, and then he uh adds people to the least to fill the least. So it's not always a group of friends, it's just guys who happened to share the same least. Uh. Maybe find a deal like that where you can be you know, one of those thousand dollar guns or whatever, where you get a season on on that lease and you know, be up front like, hey, I'm learning. Uh. I would love to come down there, you know, go to work days, help out and learn from you all because I just don't really know what I'm doing. And I'm gonna be upfront with you and say that and and hopefully you'll appreciate my honesty and help me out. I think that I think that you could find that. I wouldn't jump on the first one because it might not be the spot, but you know, maybe meet with some people and figure that out. Um, is this guy from Texas? I think so? Okay, I think he's from urban urban part of Texas. If we're gonna speak to him as if he was on here listening. Um. I think that also be wary of anything in the southern half of Texas as far as like, um, if you're gonna buy a hunt or something like that, yeah, I would definitely like, if you're gonna go on an outfitted hunt or a guided hunter, what are you gonna call it? I would be anything like southern half of Texas is there's a chance it's you know, so what you would call canned or high fence or you know, you're not really getting a great experience. I think if you were to look at something like in you know, north central Panhandle, maybe like you find you probably could find some guys out there. You're just like, hey, I'm a new hunter. I don't have to kill the biggest one. I just want you to teach me some stuff. And I think that there would be guys up there that would definitely be willing to talk you through stuff and teach your stuff. And you know, that country might be a little more open. You might be able to see some stuff, you know or whatever and learn. That's how I mean, we learn a ton when we're able to see stuff like in Kansas, or whatever. I mean. We we love to hunt real upen country. It's really tough to kill in. It's really good to learn stuff in. Yeah. Oh you see deer interaction and stuff like that, so much better. Yeah, but no good advice, dude, I like that stuff. Thanks man, you too. Uh. What region of Texas we hunt? Uh? This is another one of those where do you hunt questions? But I will tell you that we hunt more in the northern half of the state than we do in the southern. And maybe that'll make some folks happy. So a little less expensive, I said, more always, but more. Um. So this is I thought this was a good question. It made me think, Um, any luck on cold fronts? We talked about this a little bit earlier. Uh. Traditional knowledge tells you that cold front so when you need to be hunting, Um, how do you feel about that? Tyler? Um? The question is do we have any luck or have we had any luck on? The question was uh posed specifically during a week where a cold front hit in late November, talking about that specific cold front. But I thought we'd expanded a little bit too, just in general cold fronts. Um. I killed um a dough on a sunshiny, warm day this year that killed a buck. The next afternoon after no, yeah, I think it was the next afternoon after a cold front hitd So, a cold front hit that evening it got super cold. It froze, froze rain to my dear standing steps and everything. Um. That next morning when I went in there, and then that evening it was still cold, but it started to clear out a little bit. Uh, the clouds and everything started to clear a little bit, kind of warmed up a touch, and I killed So that was kind of like on the back end of a cold front. It was definitely colder. Um. And then I killed an Iowa the day the morning that a cold front blew blew in. So it was it was raining that morning slightly and it stopped raining and the wind picked up and it got real cold that afternoon. And so that that's my experience this year for sure. I think that. So it seems to me that the earlier in the season, the better the cold front is. Uh, if it's a legit cold front, you know, if you dropped from ninety to five, it's not really that big of a deal. But like the later you push on the season, the less the cold front makes a difference unless it's really really cold. Uh. The thing that got me to thinking about this is that I hunted multiple cold fronts in Kansas this year that the best day was the next day. Yeah, after after it goes through, maybe the wind hasn't swapped over yet it's still the north, but instead of being like miserable, it's pretty nice. And it's like blown like in midday would be blown like ten and on the ends of the day it's blown like five or none. You know, exactly do you love those days? I think, man, high pressure, forty degrees outside, you know, kind of sunny, a little bit partly cloudy or whatever. It just seems like to me that, um, maybe cold fronts are touched over hyped. Uh. And like I mean, for instance, think about the day that you and I were in Kansas and the snow was blowing sideways. It was so terrible. There was a few deer out and about when we saw the Big eight that night at last light. But that actually was pretty much twenty four hours after the front of hit. It's still blowing like crazy because we're in Kansas, but it was not on the cold front like Sunnier. And I don't think that the that the that the front is what you gotta hunt. I think you gotta hunt the fallout behind it. I think that's really the spot to be. I think that the main thing that people get excited about with fronts is that it just changes things, you know what I mean, Like it's not necessarily it's getting cold and nasty. I think with ducks there's a different deal there, you know, but like or waterfall, but um, yeah, for like deer, I think it's a lot of times has to do with the fact that, um, you know, it's changing things where a lot of times you'll have, you know, between fronts, you've got these days that are just in the sixties or whatever, and it's sunny every day and it's just doesn't feel like a hunting day, and then a front brings something in that changes things up. So I do think that, uh, those consistent days can be really good outside the rut because I think that you're gonna have deer doing the same thing day in and day out after about three days of consistency. Uh. And that showed on my last hunt to kans hunting Kansas this year, where you string it together a couple of days, it's almost like fish. You stringing together a couple of days that are about the same weather, and you're gonna end up having deer kind of doing the same thing every day. Whereas the cold front, Uh is good because it might end up where there's a deer doing something three pm and it wasn't before, you know, So I guess there's kind of two sides to being able to hunt it. If if on those good weather of days, if you've got deer coming, they'll still be there the next day in a similar hopefully. Um, how would a person start going to a t A if they don't go to a t A now? Um? I would say, uh, quickly runaway? No, uh I think that Uh. I like gear a lot. You don't. You're not as much. I mean you like it, but it's not, you know, like a gear junkie. I wouldn't say I am either, really, Um, but I don't think either of us really enjoy the A t A scene that much. We like some of the people there, So don't take offense if you think that. That doesn't mean we don't like you. We do like you. It's just that big show thing is not my not my deal. Um. But if you're the kind of person who wants to at least go experience at once, which I wouldn't fault you for that because it's it's kind of like there's a mystique to it, right. Um. I told people to um, maybe getting get involved with your local pro shop more and if they go, uh, you can go with them or something like that, you know, or if you if you're a person who has uh some money and you want to go do that kind of thing, you can biden admission and call yourself some top of outdoor production company and go. But this year it was like six hundred bucks and yeah, and we both had better things to do pretty much, yeah, hunting, so we didn't go yeah, no, you you uh, you're right. And you could also I think some of the smaller companies you could probably email and be like, hey, if you'll need some helper in the booth, man, I would really like to be at the show this year, and I'll help you out, you know, if you'll get me in. They'd probably man. Yeah. On that note, with shows, if you're in Texas, Tyler and I are gonna try to be some of the Texas stuff this year a little bit more. Yeah. Actually, I kind of liked going to Dallas Fari Club. It's neat. You gotta you gotta accept it for what it is. Uh. If you see high heels and big blonde hair, run the other direction. But otherwise, you know, it's a it's a cool place. So we'll probably be there, might be down in Houston, you know, who knows where else? Might you might see us at the gas station at the Texas Big Buck round Up. What's it called? Uh talking about takes Hunters extravagain. No, I'm talking about the one down there in the Golden Triangle, thee that one gas station that runs the Texas Big Yeahs Casadoras. Yeah. I was kind of making a joke and it didn't go ye. Um uh, let's see, what do you think the peak of the rud is here in Northeast Texas November four. How do you come up with those factors? Trull camera Trull camera data just past years, not just one, but several years. So one of the best way to test that theories to measure fetuses, which I think we got into with Lindsay last podcast. But um, we don't really get to shoot doze late enough in the season to do that much here so we really have to just go off of observed data. And uh uh, if you want to talk about peak buck movement this year, the last week of October was raging, But I do think consistently those are being bred. Like you know, plus or minds from November fift pretty much is gonna be the day. So I'm with you on that one. Uh. You actually answered this one on social media, but I thought it was a really good question. Um, what do you do with a killer stand location that has a bad wind percent the time? How do you hunt that spot? Because you know you can go in there and kill if you could just not have to deal with the wind. Hunt in the morning, hunt in the morning. Why is that? Because your thermals are gonna be rising and on a sunny morning Sunday and still sunny and still morning. Yeah, Um, and you are just gonna have to work. It's gonna be magic. It's gonna just have to be magic, is what it is. It's gonna be the thermals are gonna be rising on a sunny and still light and variable day, and so you hope that that dear doesn't come into early probably. Yeah, I thought that was really that's I like that a is something that I've learned from you and be something that people don't really talk that much about. Is people talk about thermals, but they're always talking about, um, how the wind correlates too slopes, and I think that hill country, yes, I think that people underestimate how much just the sunshine in general effects um, you know, scent and stuff like that. Like for instance, um, where I was hunting one time in Kansas this year, it was pretty flat, but we had a rising thermal in a decent breeze and my women was just blown right over to here. That should have been smelling me like crazy, you know. And I'm the white tail weather man, but I don't have much of a degree in this thing. But I mean, you can pretty much tell, in my opinion, that the sun ere it gets in Kansas, the more the wind blows. Right, So like in the middle of the day, there's always gonna be a ten mile in our wind or so probably almost all ways because it's sunniest. And then on the ends of the day after sunset, before sunset or after sunset and before sunrise, you're gonna have the stillest part of the day almost always out there on days that are high pressure days, you know, and the colder it is, the better that's gonna work. So if you get one of those heavy frost mornings, I mean you can breathe and just watch your smoke go straight up, you know, smoke whatever you call it, vapor. Uh. So they're just nicotine products. Yeah. Um. And I think with that too, the colder it is, the less cent actually works, right, and then a thing like theow how that works. I think that's the case. So, Um, the hotter it is the better. Uh, the smell receptors sent receptors or whatever, and animals knows or our nose either at work. And then the colder it is not the not as because the melt molecules are just not moving around as fast. This is bro scides everybody, Okay, but this is what I this is what I think is the case. Um. So um, that's right. The colder it is the less well scent works for animals. So when it's really cold, I don't think they can smell very good. Uh. If that's completely false, somebody probably otherwise, but I'm pretty sure that's the case. Um. Do you think that if somebody is hunting up private peace? Uh? In a bait state and the deer stop coming late season to theirs to set up with their corn feeder and their stand, they should move or do you think they should like move the whole thing? Yeah, what do you what do you think they should do? Oh man? Late season? Um? Um man, it just and IM gonna start with this. It depends on the situations, depends on it's around you. Um So, I don't want that to be my only answer here, but um, I would say that I would keep the set up where it is, um, hope for a cold front and try to find where the deer have gone. If you change things up, then you're gonna be late season starting a new trying to figure out you know, I mean technically, dear. Sure, they could get on it quick and come find you and be there, but it might change patterns, especially if you don't move it too far to where like everything you know from that point, from from first the season to that point, uh just changes up and goes down to you know, down the drain. So I would say trying to find the deer first before moving the set up. I'm I think I'm with you. Uh. The one thing I would say is that if the deer aren't coming to you corn there. They're not gonna come to a foreigner yards away. Yeah, they're just not coming to corner right then for some reason, either they don't like your spot because you've got some smelly stuff in there, or I think in my case, uh, there's just so much food on my own personal property or and on adjacent places between corn and just natural brows that they just don't have to come there every day. Um So I think that, uh, I probably wouldn't move my feet are ever, especially if you've got a good spot that's kind of a killer access spot or whatever. You know, why would you. I think that you could possibly look at doing a hanging hunt deeper in the woods or however you want to phrase it. Uh, And maybe you just don't have deer coming coming out earlier, so you gotta go to them or whatever. But I think that's a good point you made about like finding where they went. You know, a little bit of driving around, especially in our Ao, Texas, you've got candy roads all over the place. You can figure out, oh, there, this guy's got a wheat field over here and that's where all the deer are, or you just find the deer dead on the side of the road. That's right. Oh, no, wonder he's not coming. Yeah. Do you hunt around home? Do? I said a question from a listener. Yeah, Um, I don't guess I've hunted around home this year. Yeah. I mean I've setting to stand with you, and I'm not the hunter usually, you know, you tell me I am not. Uh so, Uh No, I haven't hunted around home this year. Um. Yeah, I need to find a place I need to I need to maybe utilize Hey, I've got a son who's about to try to shoot his first something like that. I don't know, I need to do something. So I had a question about broadhead tuning. Um, okay, that's gonna be you. So, uh well, you've dealt with this a little bit luckily. Uh Todlerer's bow just shoots lights out no matter. It just eats them whatever you put through it. So we had need to worry about this too much. But with mine, it's a little bit touchier. And I'm shooting that uh that wider broadhead from day six, and um, you gotta kind of worry about this stuff a little bit. So there's two things that I've learned about shooting fixed blade broadheads. Okay. I used to just slap a rage on there and just let it fly, not even shoot them, and it worked pretty good. I wouldn't suggest that, um, because once you get out past forty, I think it makes a difference. Uh. But um. Also, the faster your bow is shooting, the harder it is to tune a broadhead. So if you can get a bow that's pretty high speed, I b o UM. So like right now I'm shooting Matthews Tricks three. UM, is the I b O on it, which is not the speed. There's a big calculation you can do to get the actual speed of your bowl. But the heavi your arrow is, the more it's gonna slow down that bow, and it's gonna be easier tune that broadhead. So this season I was shooting I think, uh two seven per second or something like that, UM, and it was way easier to tune broadheads than what my bow was shooting last year. At two ft per second, Tyler's probably eight or ten ft per second slower than me. And I guarantee you Tyler could strap a big razor on the front of his brothers his arrow and it would shoot it good. It's I mean, it is shooting crazy good. So take that right there, shoot a heavier arrow if you want to shoot fixed blades. Um. So with that, uh, the bigger the broad head is on the end, and especially if it's not vented, the harder is gonna be to tune, and the more important your grip is going to be on what the broad head does. So you really have to pay attention to your top cam and your bottom can't. You can just look at your top can because as easier see and make sure that the way you're holding your bowl is keeping that string perfectly in line with your top cam. Okay, any tilt at all is going to send that arrow dolphining or whatever out through and it's gonna throw off where your broad head is hitting. Now, once you get all that line out and you get your broad heads hitting consistently, shoot uh, two field points and two broadheads one after another, and see where they're hitting. Ideally, your field points are going to be hitting bull's eye, because that's kind of the point of archery, right, And if you don't have that worked out, don't don't put the broad heads on yet, but get your field points hitting bulls eye, and then see where your broadheads are hitting, and then what you're gonna do is chase your field points with your broad heads by moving your arrow rest. Okay, you don't move your site, all right, that's not what you move move your arrow rest. Uh. And so what's gonna happen is that gap is gonna tighten up as you as you move all these things, and you're gonna move your site at the end of everything, guys, But don't do that yet. So if you if your broad heads are hitting in a different spot than your then your field points field points. Sorry, I'm getting lost in my example here. You're gonna move, Uh, you're gonna chase what is it? You chase one or the other. I don't test it out. I think you chase your um field points. Okay, So if your broadheads are hitting way left, you're gonna move your arrow rest to the right, and both things should slowly shift to the right. But the broadheads are gonna catch up sooner than your field points. So what you're gonna end up doing is sooner or later, after you move your rest a few times, they should be heating very close to the same spot. Now when they start getting close, don't shoot the sat hole, all right, because you're gonna lose some arrows. Uh, they're ruined some, but that's how you're going to broadhead tune. And then once you get those hitting in the same place, you're going to then move your site accordingly to where it lines up, where your bull's eye is the same place as your field points and as your broadheads. Sorry if that was complicated, I'm not the best person to explain all this. There's some people who are like legit archery nerds in a good way on YouTube. Go just search it and they can help you out. I'm the guy who hunts and kind of figured this stuff out a little bit. Or go to your local pro shop. They can help you out with that stuff. Yeah too. The only thing I would add is, um, never mind, I wouldn't add anything, okay. Um. Also, if you don't feel like undertaking all that, there are some really nice expandables out there as well. Yeah, you can shoot a cross both, especially in Texas. Um. But I do think that just in general, I I am a fixed plade guy nowadays. I used to not be, and now I am, because it's just nice to know that you're shooting something that's just gonna take a punch you know it's cool man. Um, all right, we're getting close to the end of this deal. Um, but everybody's taking a good deep breath, are Um, Let's see, there's two more really and these aren't like really great wrap ups. So maybe I'll come up with a question for you that's just gonna be like, okay, um gear review from the heal of trip? Are we gonna do a video on that stuff? We probably should? Probably should. I didn't really think much about it. I think our answer was, man, uh, the the rest of the season is just getting going. It's not a great time for us to do uh A gear reviews. So we'll probably will throw up a back country uh gear video of some sort where we just talk about all the stuff that we used and if we locked it or not. It's a good, good question. I haven't even thought about that really, Um, so yeah, we should definitely do that. I did a uh you know I would. I did a twenty eight day trip with my family in the back in a truck. Basically we had one truck with a topper on it, and so at the end when we got back, I did this video and Kylie was like waiting on me to go somewhere I can't. It was like, I just need to do this real quick. And so I had the FS seven hundred set up and it doesn't have I don't have a lens that will auto focus with and and I thought I did um and so it was slightly out of focus the whole time I did this, like rehash of what all I took on this big, huge day trip. I pulled it all out of the truck. I was like, I used this for this, I didn't really use this. This was cool because this and it was all out of focus when I got done because I didn't. Kayley didn't help me run any of the cameras or anything. And I was real mad that I bet you were. Um, so, yeah, well we'll do that. We'll get on that. We might break it down a little bit because uh backpack breakdown? Yeah down? Yeah? Um so uh last one, Um, this might be more for me because I think you and I discussed this the other day. But how do you get over the heartbreak of losing a deer? This guy specifically shot a big deer and lost it, so it stunk. And then somebody else also uh lost a couple of targets that were tanks to e h D this year. So I guess there's a couple of ways you can lose a big deer. But well, you might be a good start here and I might have a good end. So y'all probably haven't seen this when this comes out, but I'll lose a buck this season. I've talked about on the podcast a little bit. It'll be on YouTube pretty soon. I've just I think I've decided that we're gonna gonna air that and just talk about it, even though some people are gonna hate on it, um, because that's just the way people are. But um, for me, I'm still not over it. I don't know if I ever will be over it. Um. It's the first year I've ever shot and not not found until the coach smoked him. But uh, for me, the process of getting over it started. Uh the next time I went hunting, and I think that was a big deal for me, was to get out in the woods again and hunt. And it took me about five days to want to go do that. Um, but I went out. I didn't see much of anything. I think I might saw a few does or whatever, but it was just nice to find only get back out and kind of regain a little confidence just just because I have a bow in my hand. And I guess along with that, like, uh, I missed elk in Colorado with my recurve, which felt terrible. Um. And uh, the way I kind of got over that was I just got out and shot my bow a ton. I think that I did that something this year too, when I shot that deer and missed him and didn't miss him. Sorry, he shot that deer and lost him. Uh. Just kind of refamiliarizing yourself with your weapon and making sure that uh you're doing what you need to be doing and making sure that uh, I don't know, you still feel comfortable, uh shooting. I think it's a big deal that and just getting out and hunting again. I mean, like I said, I don't think I've gotten over it yet and probably take me a while. Um. And I think this has taught me a lot about myself because uh, I don't know if I have felt much different if it was a giant or not. Like I still felt pretty bad about it. You know, It's it's not a great thing. I mean, you and I talked about it a lot, and it's like we said, and people don't need to take this the wrong way. But it is just a year, right, It's not like the life of a human or it's not you know, we're not talking about a matter of salvation or anything. You know. It's just a thing where um it's stinks, but it's just a part of the experience, especially of a hunter. It's part of the hunter's experience. Uh. But I think if just let it slide easily, that I'm probably not doing the right thing either, Right, So probably just part of this is gonna be in the off season making sure I'm doing what I need to be doing to be an effective hunter. Uh, making sure I like my bow set up. Um that Outside of that, I mean, it's just gonna take a little bit of time. That's about all I really know. Man. Justin we had justin, right, my buddy on that's gonna be around episode twenty one, I think, And he lost a deer And if you have listen to it, go listen to that episode. It's a it's a long one, but it's it's a story of a buck that he shot and we chase forever and never actually got it killed. Um at least, you know, not while we knew where it was and so um, justin just now like that was he sent me some trail camera pictures this year from a trail camera and like between and those truil camera pictures, like he didn't hunt. I mean he he cout hunts a little bit and just like hunts the tournament every year and goes out with one of his buddies and they do some calling. That's about it. I mean, he just like gave up deer hunting. And I would encourage you that if you're one of those guys that's lost a deer, not to do that, um, and to stay you know, to stay after it. Um. I think I think, like you said, hunting is a good thing, especially if you're hunting by yourself, you can reflect and think about things. But also that could be uh that may not fix things for you. So going out and hunting with a buddy to u just as you have a fun time and kind of forget about you know some things. Um, talking with you helped me a ton, you know, especially if you had like a tight hunt buddy. He's like your guy, you know, like it's you gotta talk about this stuff. You know, it's not good to just sit there and try to work through it in your own mind, because sometimes it gets to be a pretty dark place. Sure, yeah, no, I I can see that for sure, and um I have Man, it's been a long time since I lost to the year. Fortunately, I've probably come close several times. I mean the backyard buck. You know, we did the bucks big Bucks and Bulls of the Past episode or whatever this summer whenever it was, and if you if you listen to that, you know what I'm talking about. But I had a buck that I found while I was taking a leak in the bathroom of deer camp that we had been looking for for a long time. And he was literally laid up dead in the backyard. I mean he just and he had I mean that dear, that's several hundred yards you know from where I shot him. He took a big loop went back to that tree line on the back side of the field, you know where I'm talking about. Probably have you been up here? You've been, yeah, right around there, yeah and so, and then he went to the back of the tree line and then went down that tree line, went past the hut and down into the bottom and up around to the backyard with there. I mean it was several hundred yards and you know, we were about to give up and we're about done. I mean, just we're gonna maybe do one more good search. So and I found it. It's just crazy story. So but you know, there's been some I've definitely made some shots that were a little bit back, you know, And I always make fun of people, but this is how trying not to make fun of people too bad. But you always always make fun of people on TV that do this a lot because they'll shoot a deer nearly in the back hind quarter and be like it's a little back, you know, and I'm like, no, it's way back. So anyway, I I've you know, hits here four to six inches back, you know, back rib or whatever. And you know those are those dear tough man up there, especially in so um just just saying, I'm saying that I haven't hadn't lost a deer in a long time because I've been lucky, you know. But um, so, I can't really give a whole lot of insight into this. I can just say that justin you know, definitely struggle with it. Um I talked about this. This is as close as I got. But you know, I had a buck um at five yards on in Iowa, and I was up there by myself. I was kind of just tired and struggling mentally and just it was cold and I'm weak apparently um as well, both of us are, and so um, you know, this deer comes in one morning on a ridge and I'm hunting a ridge. I don't know how to hunt ridges, you know what I mean. Like in my interview, I'm like, I don't know what I'm doing, but I'm just trying to say, Okay, this is how dear behave where I'm from or where I've hunted in the past. I'm gonna use that to the best my knowledge on this ridge and just hope that, you know, because people kill them on ridges, so I'm hoping I'm in the spot. And I was in the spot, dude, it was good. Um. In the deer letter, I see him at like fifty or sixty yards. He's coming, and luckily I was pretty much ready to rock and roll. The wind was blowing pretty good, so I can move around, get my bow, get it turned on. If you haven't watched a video, I'll just go ahead and give a quick over you. But the camera falls when I get it set, He's at like probably eighteen or twenty yards, I mean, he's close camera, falls straight down, and so I was like, man, I've already shot two deer that weren't on camera. So I was like, you know, part of my challenge is that I'm gonna try to get one on camera this year, you know. So I pull it back up, and about the time I get it set and get my release clip back on, he's coming at me, I mean straight at my tree. And it's just like when they're walking at you and a buck, you know. He walks with his head kind of low, but he's he's looking forward and he's smelling the ground, you know. And so I'm like, he's gonna see me if I draw, you know. And so he ends up basically walking to five yards before I draw, and he's I'm pretty sure, almost sure he's ease my bottom step and then falls him up the tree to this big blob that's in this little tiny oak tree, you know, onside this ridge. It takes off running and at that point, like and I had already missed in Kansas, I missed a buck from the ground. And you know, if you saw that video, it was definitely I don't feel super bad about missing that deer because I just feel like it was a really tough shot and maybe I shouldn't taken it, but I felt good about it when I let it fly, just you know, I just went low. Um. But those two things, like, we're two things that happened this season that I definitely struggled with and I just had to remind myself and you know, I'm I know not everybody out there listening thinks the same way as Casey and I, but that just the plan is right. Ever plan is perfect, there's God's sovereign and that uh, you know, I just wasn't meant to kill that, dear man, and so you know, I'm I'm gonna keep plugging away after it. And that was just that was my encouragement in the woods this year when things weren't going right. You know, I know, still doesn't take away the burn, and it's definitely more of a burn when you when you hit a deer and don't you're not able to find him, you know, because I've done it before. It's been it's been a while. The first year I ever shot at was off my dad's shoulder with a gun, you know, we were walking into a deer stand and we see deer and here I am. I've only ever shot off like a rock solid table and taking my time, you know, and he's like, put it on my shoulder, and so I put it on the shoulder, and I guess I got shot him, you know, but we never found him, So I don't know. We're lucky that we get to listen to podcasts and stuff these days too, learn how to track dear better than we used to be able to, and all these different things. I mean, we've had magazines for a long time that have taught us a lot of great things. But uh, it's the age of information, man, and we get to learn so much. So yeah, you're right man for sure. Well, um, that's about all we had for you know. Questions have been submitted throughout the Deer season and guys, kind of just as a big apology. Sorry if we you can get to you quick or if you felt like we didn't answer you completely. Um, we're doing our best to be good dudes. So um, so sorry, I don't feel like we we snubbed you or anything. And if if you have more you wanna talk about, please reach out to us. We'd like to talk about this stuff, but we're never gonna present ourselves as the experts of anything, but we like to talk hunting with people, so so holler at us. Um, I guess kind of a good way. This is kind of our season wrap up, if you want to call it that, you know, I mean, I don't really like to go back through things like well, you know, back over, you know, I just kind of tell the story all over again. But let's just talk about twenty a little bit. I know this thing has been going on for a while, but in general, just tell me one goal hunting wise that you want to complete. We're not you know, I don't want you to go down a list of stuff because I don't think we've put together a list of goals, but like, one goal you want to complete as a hunter? Well, I mean other than kill five two hundreds in five states? Yeah, okay, okay, so y'all know that, you know, but uh no, I'm my goal. So it's a hunting goal. Um. Oh man, that's tough. I have not spent a lot of time working on goals this year. Maybe that's a bad thing. I'm normally a goal oriented guy. I've been so busy man, so busy that I've hardly had time to think. Um, I would think that, um, something that's kind of that I would like to definitely do that comes to comes to my mind here as far as hunting goes, I want to kill a solid buck in Kansas. And I've killed a lot of bucks in Kansas. I mean I've I've been hunting up there a long time. And this is basically like two This year is the second year that I've not killed a buck up there, um in a while. I mean I've killed here on the last year ever. Second year ever, I think that I was the kid. Then one was after I killed Jack, so I didn't kill one. Then I killed Jack, I didn't kill and then I killed nameless. Eighteen was Frankenstein. But in sixteen you passed a really good four year old. Right Where was that he got shot by Raffle That's right, yeah, yeah, Um, I passed a good you know, like almost hunting forty eight point. Uh. He's like real high one thirties I think when they taped him out. But he was like a four year old that had grown pretty good from the year before. So we thought, well, it'd be nice one to shoot at five, you know, um, and we you know we we Uh, this particular property is where uh my dad hunts, and so I don't just shoot everything there. But I haven't shot a ton of like what you would consider a lot of people consider trophies or high high scoring dear you know. Um, over the years, I've killed a lot of old gnarly six seven eight points. Yeah, And to be honest, they look way cooler on the wall. That's what my dad always says. And I'm with them too, you know. I love I would just a big heavy six or eight or whatever that's like six or seven eight years old. That's what I I mean, I love dear like that. And so it's not that I'm not complaining at all. It's just that, um, like dear that are one forty plus, I haven't killed a ton of them, you know. And so like it's kind of when I when I've been thinking in this postseason a little bit about what I kind of I didn't do this year that I would really like to do just and this isn't like me just being gold and it's with me just like when I think about this in particular, which what this is is me shooting like a hundred forty top deer in Kansas next year. When I think about it, it makes me so excited. I'm ready to go to because I know where they are right now, you know what I mean, And they're gonna shed those horns soon, you know. And I'm just like, I just wanna I know where they're at. You know, I just needed a little more time. But next year it's gonna be It's gonna be really fun. I'm really looking forward to doing that because and I hope that you do it too, because, uh, there's hardly a better night and deer camp when somebody shoots a nice bug, you know what I mean. It's the funniest thing that webably got to do it all this year just for a second, because it happened on after him when the guys were leaving, some guys who we had meant recently killed a big buck. But between like kind of our our group from a couple of years, you know, up in Kansas. I mean, Drew recovered his deer, but it was like after Union dat I was thirty two hours later, so we never got to really have that man. And like even with any year, dear that you killed on public Land and other states. I was never there for anything. It's uh but uh yeah, I hope we could do that. And this is gonna be easy because it's also my goal for next year. So pretty much everything you just it. I mean, I'm going on to your straight of not at least recovering a really good deer. And and frank with all the deer I was shot and lost, is wasn't a giant, you know. It's just a good three year old um and I was happy to shoot him at that point in the season. And uh, but it just is really tough to be as close to a lot of those big deer as we were and not shoot one. I mean, dude, one of the biggest deer I've ever seen in my life. We were forty five yards from Yeah, that's nuts for or five yards on the ground, and then they had no clue we were there. Yeah, and then all of a sudden, the dough just freaks out and runs away. But uh, you'll you'll see that pretty soon, yeah, I think it is. So anyways, Yeah, just to wrap that up quick, that's gonna be my goal to like, Kansas is the focus for next season, and unless I draw eyewall, which I don't think I will, but there's a chance on those points. But yeah, that's I mean, that's what I wanna do, man is is go kill a good bucking Kansas because at this point in time, put a lot of effort into it. You know, it's like it's time to start. You know. Uh It's it's not that I deserve to get paid back, but it's it's time for me to make it, make it happen after all this effort. You know, it's like, uh, no, everybody deserves the state championship football because they've all put in a bunch of work, right, but only a few people get it. Well, I think that I need to make sure and take the steps to make that and make it happen at least the quarterfinals. Comment. Yeah, yeah, I'm with you. I think that I'd like to I would like to video you shoot it here because it's been a while since either one of us we talked about that. I think that this season we're gonna do our best to spend more time in the stands together. He because the foot is just so much better when and you're more effective as a hunter if if you're gonna make the commitment to film your hunts. You're way more effective if you're the guy who gets to hunt another guy's filming. Um, because like I'm not gonna say it would have been different, But if I hadn't been filming my hunt on that deer, like, things could have played out differently because at one point in time, he was twelve yards away, you know, and I just because I was trying to get on footage, I couldn't get the shot at that point in time. That's I mean, And that that to be transparent, you know, like being we still we still gotta work to make money, Like we're not. You know, there's a lot of people out there that are able to you know, make a make a living off their hunting brand or whatever. And that's not us. And and that's okay. Uh, Like we we're enjoying the process. We're enjoying what we do. We get to hunt probably a lot more than most people listen to this podcast, so I can't complain, man. But but the truth of the matter is we still have to We have families, we have jobs, and so we have to come back during the season. Sometimes we can't just stay out forever and hunt. And so being that our schedules are also separate and that we were not uh, you know, isn't a um number one priority for us, UM because there's you know, it's not putting food on the table. We don't necessarily get to sink our schedules up all the time, or didn't this year, and maybe next year things change and so when we'll be able to do more of that, And that's what that's what I would hope, you know what I mean. So, UM, but you know this year we definitely was in Now. I mean, you wrote to Kansas, Kansas every time by yourself this year. I wrote to Kansas every time but one by myself this year. Um, I drove to Iowa once by most because two of your trips to Kansas you came from different places than home to get there. You know. It's just it was just a crazy hunting season, and I would like to see it happen where we do get to do that more together. UM. But if we're going to continue on doing element stuff, there's a good chance that it's a lot of times like it was this season because we're going and hunting and do and all this stuff. That's and that's cool, it's fine. You know, I just think that uh, um, we need to try and make sure to I guess, capitalizing opportunities we have, you know, to be able to go up there and share all that with you and I and other people in camp too, you know, get to hang out and do the thing it's gonna happen. Do next year, we're gonna kill some deer. Earlier this next year, it was just a weird, weird season. Man. It was Um, it just didn't like things. They tried to happen several times they just didn't. And I don't think that happens forever, you know. I mean, like at some point in November, in early November, we're gonna kill We did it three years ago, you know what I mean. So and quite honestly, the we gotta get off this podcast. But the the earlier November hunt in Kansas wasn't that great. Uh you know. I was there a day or two before you, and it kind of took me a little while to get in the groove of things. And then I don't know, it was freezing cold a couple of days, and the deer didn't really get wound up until we had to leave, you know. So it's almost like it was not that those days were waste, but it was kind of like it's a lot, big chunk of time for not a lot to be happening, you know. So yeah, I don't know. I know, man, is there's some weird things that happened. And I think that if you spend enough time in decent deer country in November, like eventually you're gonna kill. And I think next year one of us is gonna kill early. It's gonna be It's gonna be good, man. I mean, man, I'm excited about it. I think we we learned so much this year. Um, and we've talked about that before, I think, and we learned a lot every year, and I think that's important. Um. I don't think you should stop learning, you know, um necessarily unless I mean if you do, then you're you're probably a virtuoso or whatever you wanna call it, you know at what you do. So, but we learned so much this year that I think is gonna really come full circle and help us to be effective. We talked about that in in our podcasts that um we did a couple of weeks ago, I remember, so anyway, Yeah, it's uh, it was a fun year man uh uh speak can of big Bucks in Kansas. The giraffe buck fit is out, and so I had a pretty unique experience with a buck that I saw coming across this corn field through some brush towards me, and I grabbed my boat immediately because I was like, that's a toad. And when he got closer, like real close, or realized that this toad had knocked off both antlers, basically fighting, and so it looks like a big, old fat egg giraffe. It's like. And so we posted that video last night, which will be I think two nights for you guys when you hear this. But yeah, it's uh, it's up. Go check it out. Casey passes a deer in the video, A nice Yeah. How old do you think that dear? Was? Probably three? That's what I think too. But he just has a different look about him a little bit. His face looks old as can. Ben got the weird face like he got hit in the head with a two before and he's a baby or something, you know, Like it's just like his eyes are flattered or something. It's really strange. Yea, his eyes are weird, man, But he's he looks kind like three year old body. He's got he's got a good react. Would you would you uh? Would you have shot him on your last hunt? Oh? Yeah, yeah to you on my last hunt. I was actually might have passed the spot on the last time. I don't remember, but like it wouldn't have taken much. And honestly, the reason I passed that spoke is because I was like, man, I can I can get more meat than that. You know that really up there, there's a big difference in bodies eyes from us from a you know, a one point five or whatever is big difference. So yeah, yeah, hey, gum in dude, Well that was a good buck. Go check that video out. So if you have already subscribed, to make sure that you hit the bell for notifications, because that would help you stay up to date with the rest of these season videos coming out, which we still have several videos coming out, including a giant buck that's about to hit the floor right here pretty soon, So check that out. Do that. Also, we like nice comments those videos. Those those are very beneficial and I've seen a lot of you guys doing that, and I think it's out of pity and support, and so we appreciate that and like it feels good. That's an encouragement we're talking about in the beginning of the podcast, uh fourteen hours ago if you remember. So anyway, don't forget and I was a great time to get out in the woods, um and find like good sign, good trails, rubs and just basically to kill your buck next year. Right now, you know what I mean. So don't forget about that, and remember this is your element living in