00:00:04 Speaker 1: Good Lord, it's a new show. 00:00:05 Speaker 2: This week we've got Bryce Stubbs in the studio, a Montana kid who just won the Food Network's 100 cooks and walked away with a nice little chunk of scratch. We got Colorado Bears are on the tears. Let's try to make a rhyme. 00:00:23 Speaker 1: Colorado Bears are on the tears. Or are they? Giannis will tell us. 00:00:29 Speaker 2: It's a better than ever time to get that suppressor you've been looking for. Trump generated something of a national eye roll by renaming Lake Ontario. Angler of the Year Trey McKinney joins us live here and more. 00:00:46 Speaker 1: But now on to our news. 00:00:47 Speaker 3: Our news. 00:00:51 Speaker 1: What's first up in our news, Yanni? Tear it away. 00:00:54 Speaker 4: No, it says Steve's kids question. 00:00:55 Speaker 1: Oh, it's very quick. 00:00:57 Speaker 2: Driving to Grouse Hunt last night, my kid said to me, 11 years old, he said, if you froze a person. 00:01:05 Speaker 1: And cut him open with all the blood be where it belonged. That's all. Go on. 00:01:14 Speaker 5: You didn't have an answer for him? 00:01:15 Speaker 1: I told him, yeah. 00:01:16 Speaker 6: Okay. 00:01:17 Speaker 1: Be right where it belonged. 00:01:18 Speaker 6: I'll ask my brother on that. He just did a big cadaver thing. 00:01:22 Speaker 1: It's right where it belonged. I already thought it through. Go ahead, Yanni. 00:01:25 Speaker 4: I'm going to text him. This American Life did a real good story recently about when freezing people and keeping them around forever until medical advances caught up to bringing them back alive. Remember that in the 70s? 00:01:37 Speaker 1: That's still a thing, man. 00:01:39 Speaker 4: Maybe, but they did a nice long story on it. Very entertaining. 00:01:43 Speaker 2: There's dudes now, because that's expensive, there's a cheap version and one of the guys that many people, you know they don't know who invented Bitcoin? I didn't know that. My friend Ben Wallace wrote a wonderful book about trying to unmask Yes, the mysterious Mr. 00:02:01 Speaker 1: Nakamoto. No one knows who invented Bitcoin. 00:02:03 Speaker 2: He has billions and billions in Bitcoin that has never been tapped into. One of the guys that some people think invented Bitcoin just had his brain froze trying to save money. So he's anticipating major medical advancements. Not that you just reanimate his body, but you thaw his brain out stick. 00:02:29 Speaker 1: It in some dude i don't know yeah i don't know playing a long game. 00:02:33 Speaker 4: A nice strong night 20 year old uh what do i have from uh my news uh whitetail habitat in wisconsin work kansas scouting in wyoming elk uh two days in late july in wisconsin mostly spraying buckthorn which is this invasive that i'm uh It was funny. I thought I was going to have like a little bit to battle when I started this project. And as soon as the sunlight hit the forest floor, it went bananas. And now I've got like 10 acres of it. 00:03:04 Speaker 1: And why do people hate it? Buckthorn. 00:03:08 Speaker 4: It's like any of these invasives. They just take over and they don't let the stuff grow that you want to grow. 00:03:13 Speaker 1: And nothing wants to eat it. No. Yeah. 00:03:17 Speaker 4: But I'm happy to report my dad's been back a month later since I was there. And he reported there's a lot of dead buckthorn. So my work had results. 00:03:28 Speaker 1: Like you're murdering it. 00:03:29 Speaker 4: Yeah. I don't know how I missed this, though, growing up in Michigan. Maybe you have memories of this, but I don't have memories of sweating the way that I sweat now when I go to Wisconsin to work. To the point where my rubber gloves, when I would take them off after spraying a full backpack and walking around in the middle of the day, I could pour the sweat out of them. There's a video on my Instagram. 00:03:53 Speaker 1: Kids don't sweat. 00:03:54 Speaker 4: You think that's what it is? 00:03:55 Speaker 2: I remember discovering that I could sweat throwing hay bales. 00:04:00 Speaker 1: And then you're only aware of it because all the dust stuck to you. But no, you don't sweat as a kid. Skinny little shits don't sweat. I'll wear a shirt that says that on it. Any of those shits don't sweat. 00:04:13 Speaker 4: The other highlight from Wisconsin was I finally took the time to hang some vines and make like legit mock scrapes. You familiar with this? Like hanging a grapevine? 00:04:23 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:04:24 Speaker 4: The internet says that that's the best thing. You can use other, say you don't live in a place, say you live in a place where there are no grapevines, you can use other branches. 00:04:33 Speaker 1: You mean you're putting in a licking branch? 00:04:35 Speaker 4: Yes, but instead of using a oak licking branch. 00:04:39 Speaker 1: Just hang a vine. 00:04:40 Speaker 4: Hang a vine. And I did them, you know, 20 yards from two different stands, killed all the... you know, stuff that was living underneath it. 00:04:48 Speaker 1: God, you were killing off stuff all the time, man. 00:04:51 Speaker 4: Oh, yes. I'm such a, I get, become more and more of a fan of herbicide and cutting trees down by the day. 00:04:58 Speaker 7: Yeah. 00:04:58 Speaker 1: Okay. 00:04:58 Speaker 4: Because when you kill stuff, the stuff that you want comes back. 00:05:02 Speaker 1: I understand. 00:05:04 Speaker 4: Anyways, did a couple, did three of those. Two out of the three that same night had deer activity on them. 00:05:11 Speaker 7: Yeah. 00:05:12 Speaker 6: Yeah. 00:05:12 Speaker 4: Pretty amazing you put some buck man juice down i didn't put any well yeah i did that i peed in the scrapes for sure but uh yeah they're just going up there and like whatever it is are you kidding me no they see it you know and they're just like they go over there and attract the day you did it yeah that night i had two visits i did i made three and two out of the three got hit that night that's incredible does and young bucks i haven't had a big. 00:05:37 Speaker 2: Something about that yeah height and position that they they're into it yeah you know you hear similar stuff about gruff grouse in a drumming log yep right they're like oh that's everything you know i mean that's right it's like i need to be able to see a certain distance it needs to be a certain height and they just right are on it and a licking branch she's like oh sweet licking branch makes. 00:06:02 Speaker 5: You realize they're paying more attention to like detail like what's around them than you think they do yeah for sure like that's like shows up at like a sign post that's really interesting. 00:06:13 Speaker 4: Yeah even though there was some dude with his hands all over it and ladders and cannons driving around spraying herbicide they're like oh no matter i like that thing i'm gonna rub rub my forehead on it um Middle of August, Brent and I went to Kansas and hung 10 multi-trail cameras on three different properties that we're going to hunt. Now, we got these three different properties through a friend of his who's... I don't want to say an out... It's a very, like... It's an outfitter, but he's kind of a DIY kind of guy where... He's going to have the spots for you. He's going to put you up, but you're kind of on your own for the hunting. He'll say, yeah, go check that out. We see deer down here, but you're not going to get dropped off at the blind. He's not going to hang grapevines for you, that kind of stuff. 00:07:03 Speaker 1: It was like that time Yumi did that turkey hunt in Florida. 00:07:07 Speaker 4: Yes, exactly. You basically get the property. 00:07:09 Speaker 1: Yeah, figure it out. Yeah. 00:07:11 Speaker 4: So Brent and I, we basically had one full day there. hot as hell there too. Just like Wisconsin is like 95 and, um, and, and hot, uh, hung 10 cameras, speed scouting it, just trying to figure out, you know, major crossings, um, pinch points, funnels, whatever, um, did okay. I think, uh, if you, if you don't mind, Phil, go ahead and show, show the viewers what we've seen, what we've got so far. Doesn't matter. 00:07:39 Speaker 1: Pull one up. 00:07:40 Speaker 4: Yeah, any of the ones from the trail cameras. 00:07:42 Speaker 7: Yeah, hold on here. 00:07:44 Speaker 4: We don't have a Kansas Giant yet. But there's this guy. 00:07:49 Speaker 1: Dude, I'll take it. 00:07:49 Speaker 4: And he's got like a bonus. You can see, I don't know if you call it an extra. Keep kind of rolling through him, Phil. On his left antler, there's like an extra brow tie. 00:08:00 Speaker 6: Oh. 00:08:01 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:08:01 Speaker 2: You know what I always ask myself, any buck I see? I say, but is it as big as the buck that's been laying in my yard? 00:08:09 Speaker 1: No. 00:08:10 Speaker 5: Your neighbors showed me a picture of that thing. Holy cow. 00:08:13 Speaker 1: My daughter had to mow around it. Yeah. 00:08:16 Speaker 4: He's a bruiser. 00:08:16 Speaker 1: She had to mow around the box. Are you serious? It's huge. Unbelievable. 00:08:20 Speaker 4: She smowed around it? 00:08:22 Speaker 1: This buck is like, hey, what's up, guys? 00:08:25 Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. 00:08:25 Speaker 1: Jimmy's all trying to plot how he. 00:08:27 Speaker 4: Can drive it out of city limits. 00:08:30 Speaker 5: Scare him into Pat's yard where he's outside. 00:08:33 Speaker 1: Of city limits. 00:08:34 Speaker 2: You know, I could tell so many funny stories about him and that buck. He's obsessed with this buck. He's got no path forward, though. Well, you need to bring in a picture of this buck. 00:08:44 Speaker 1: It's like giant drop time. Anyways, go on. 00:08:47 Speaker 4: Well, this is what we got so far, which is, you know, this is actually a different one. That's a 10 point. It's been running with the funky guy. Which are both like, if I saw either of them in Wisconsin, I'd be flinging an arrow immediately. But Brent keeps telling me, Yanni, I could shoot those bucks in Arkansas. I'm like, okay. Well, you're going to be there with me, so you can tell me which one to shoot or not shoot. Phil, show the picture of the taxidermied bucks. This is what's available. 00:09:16 Speaker 1: Is it bigger than the buck in my yard? 00:09:18 Speaker 4: I don't know. I haven't seen the buck in your yard. 00:09:20 Speaker 6: Maybe. 00:09:22 Speaker 1: Man, those G3s. 00:09:23 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's amazing. 00:09:25 Speaker 1: Wow. 00:09:26 Speaker 4: And there's one filled with two of them. Oh, yeah, there's another one. 00:09:28 Speaker 7: No. 00:09:29 Speaker 5: A lot of high and tight bucks on them. 00:09:31 Speaker 4: Yeah, they definitely have. Yeah, you're not going to get a big spread credit out of those. Yeah, look at those two boys. 00:09:40 Speaker 1: Whose place is that? That's a nice place. 00:09:42 Speaker 4: That's where we're– that basement is where Brent and I are going to be sleeping during our Kansas hunt. So we're heading there in– Okay, but here's the, I don't know if this is the highlight. 00:09:51 Speaker 2: For you people just listening, Yanni's showing pictures of bucks that most dudes would be real excited to get. 00:09:55 Speaker 1: With astounding G3s. 00:09:56 Speaker 5: Are you hunting the rut there or what? 00:09:58 Speaker 4: I'm going to hunt the last week of August. 00:10:00 Speaker 1: October. Pre-rut. Yeah. 00:10:05 Speaker 4: When I came home, though, from this trip, I kind of felt like when you were in the hospital and you had... Lime. 00:10:13 Speaker 1: Just problems. 00:10:14 Speaker 4: And yeah. And you had possibly like giardia. And I forget all the things that had compounded. Because you had some kind of skin irritant as well. 00:10:22 Speaker 1: No. Yeah. 00:10:23 Speaker 2: I had a whole list of issues. But I had, it was like a colon infection. 00:10:32 Speaker 7: Yeah. 00:10:32 Speaker 1: Long story. 00:10:33 Speaker 4: Long story. 00:10:34 Speaker 1: But it had compounded. 00:10:34 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:10:35 Speaker 1: It was a series of events that led me to be there. 00:10:37 Speaker 2: And I was at the Jewish hospital in New York. And when I finally was getting checked out, I always remember the doctor was leaving the door. It was like a movie scene. She's leaving the door and turns to me and says, stay away from pigs. 00:10:53 Speaker 4: Right, because didn't you get poison ivy or poison oak from the pigs? 00:10:58 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:10:58 Speaker 8: Right, right, right. 00:10:59 Speaker 4: So you can hear that story on probably several different old media podcasts. Find it somehow. 00:11:06 Speaker 1: I left there. 00:11:08 Speaker 4: Came home, I was thinking about you, because I'm like, I wonder if Steve's ever had this many skinny irritations at once. Mosquito bites, tick bites, chiggers, poison ivy, and then on top of all that, a wicked common cold that shut me down for three, four, five days. 00:11:24 Speaker 1: Let me see them chiggers. 00:11:25 Speaker 4: Well, they're gone now. This is 10 days ago. 00:11:28 Speaker 1: Did any of that stuff get your scroll? A little bit. 00:11:30 Speaker 4: I had that patch of poison ivy here. Uh, not, not scroll, but in the general scroll area, I definitely had some, um, tick bites, the seed ticks. 00:11:40 Speaker 6: Yeah. 00:11:42 Speaker 4: Hopefully they'll all be gone by, uh, by end of October. 00:11:45 Speaker 1: What kind of ticks? 00:11:47 Speaker 4: Little seed ticks. 00:11:48 Speaker 1: Oh, okay. 00:11:49 Speaker 2: You'd be wise to go listen to that episode we did on, on, um, alpha gal syndrome, the whole dedicated episode on alpha gal. 00:11:57 Speaker 7: Yeah. 00:11:57 Speaker 4: I haven't listened to it yet. 00:11:58 Speaker 1: No, it'll scare you. All right. Or not. 00:12:01 Speaker 4: Last but not least, leaving in two days for my Wyoming elk hunt. 00:12:06 Speaker 1: It's exciting. What's the weather looking like? 00:12:08 Speaker 3: Hot? 00:12:09 Speaker 4: It's hot this weekend, then it's going to cool down. It's going to start getting into like highs of 70, maybe low 70s, and then lows 30 to 40. 00:12:18 Speaker 2: No one believes me, but the other morning our roof had frost on it. 00:12:22 Speaker 4: It's probably the morning that my thermometer read 37. 00:12:24 Speaker 2: Oh, because everybody keeps telling me my thermometer said 44. 00:12:27 Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know. I must live in a weird little hole. I don't know. The big buck brings in the cold. I don't know what it is. 00:12:35 Speaker 4: I'm a little bit nervous. Here's what I got going on. I'm two days out. I still have a lot of packing and planning to do. I never made it there to do any scouting. So the first couple of days are going to be all just driving around as much as I can in the Cam Am and just road scouting. Glassing early and late, but basically figuring out my access, figuring out how long it takes to get from A to B. and just zipping around, zipping around until I have an idea of, you know, like I know the place. The one thing I will say, which I'm very happy about this, I do think is maybe the most important is that my broadhead tipped arrows are flying good. And right now I would shoot at an elk at 50 yards. 00:13:15 Speaker 1: Good. I'm ready. Which means 50, you'll shoot an elk at 59. 00:13:21 Speaker 6: No. 00:13:24 Speaker 4: You know, I was shooting with a guy the other day at the house. We have a little 3D course set up there and we're shooting. And he asked me the question, he's like, how far, how hard would you shoot? We were actually shooting at a farther range, but I think we were shooting at 60 or 65. 00:13:38 Speaker 1: That's what I like your range. 00:13:40 Speaker 4: And I had a really nice group going, you know, like a seven, eight inch group at that range. And he's like, what would you shoot him at? I'm like 50. He's like, really? Right now, look at you, what you're doing. You're telling me perfect conditions, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And in the moment I thought, well, yeah, maybe he's right. You know, the wind's not blowing. The bull elk doesn't know I'm there and everything's perfect. My heart rate's not up. Yeah, I could probably send it. But then later that night I was laying in bed and I was thinking, no, you don't want to send it because you take those I don't want to call them chip shots, but they're shots that you're absolutely 100% sure in, 50 yards and under, not 59, because you have to think about five minutes later when that sucker's running off with one stuck way too far back or in his ass. 00:14:25 Speaker 1: But it's way too much arrow showing. 00:14:29 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like that's why you don't take the 59-yarder. 00:14:34 Speaker 1: Or I won't. I had this conversation the other day with someone who was telling me, man, guys online. I'm like... You ain't online. 00:14:42 Speaker 4: Yeah, totally. 00:14:43 Speaker 1: You're in the woods. 00:14:45 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:14:45 Speaker 4: And again, you know, I'm human. I make mistakes. And again, at 60 plus yards, like that arrow takes a while to get there. And those critters can just take one step and it goes from being a perfect center of the lungs to being back or whatever. 00:15:00 Speaker 1: Dude. 00:15:02 Speaker 2: When you come back and tell me, man, I passed up a beautiful bull at 51, I'll be all ears. 00:15:08 Speaker 1: I'll be all ears. I'll be all ears. All right, Nate Mason. Nate Mason came over. 00:15:16 Speaker 2: To us in the podcast space from one of our companies, FHF Gear. 00:15:24 Speaker 6: Makers are the greatest vinyl harness on the planet. 00:15:26 Speaker 1: Makers are the greatest vinyl harness on the planet. 00:15:28 Speaker 2: He was on the same, before he came over to the podcast team, he was on the same floor as this studio, just a different wing of the office. 00:15:35 Speaker 6: Yeah, the wing none of y'all visit. 00:15:37 Speaker 1: I'm down there all the time. You are, but everyone else doesn't. No, me and Yanni are down all the time. We're just not welcome guests. Oh, no, you're welcome. No, because we're like, hey, can you guys sew this? Well, usually it's like a buoy or something. Yeah. 00:15:50 Speaker 6: Hey, can you sew the spearfishing wetsuit for me? 00:15:53 Speaker 2: Hey, can you make me, you guys got like a few days where you can make me a holder for my underwater flashlight? 00:15:59 Speaker 1: Shit like that. 00:15:59 Speaker 6: Yeah, the guy who was managing Paul's schedule said no, but Paul said yes. 00:16:04 Speaker 1: Anyways, so Nate was involved. Nate's going to, he's going to, he's going to bring the worlds together. 00:16:09 Speaker 4: Yep. 00:16:10 Speaker 6: So worked there for two years and a big chunk of that time spent giving input on the FHF Apex bag that we just released. Um, so you go to the website, check it out, but we'll give you the spiel here that I would give to you at a trade show. If you walked in headliner, it's going to cost 400 bucks. 00:16:30 Speaker 1: Big. 00:16:30 Speaker 6: And we knew that going into it. Cause you make anything physically large. 00:16:34 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:16:34 Speaker 6: You make anything physically large in America by citizens of the United States. It will cost you so much money and we're committed like FHF is committed to that. 00:16:42 Speaker 1: Um, and so we knew it was going to. 00:16:43 Speaker 5: Be super expensive. 00:16:44 Speaker 6: And the question that we wrestled with was how do you make, how do you justify a $ 400 price tag? And what we landed on is a backpack that you don't just pull out of your closet for a seven-day elk hunt. It's a backpack you can use year-round in multiple configurations. Everything from no waist belt, throwing it into an overhead in your plane, to loading it on an XO K4 frame and. 00:17:06 Speaker 8: Hauling out an elk quarter. 00:17:07 Speaker 6: It does everything in between. 00:17:10 Speaker 1: Can I tell you something? See this one right here? Guess what I had in here last night? 00:17:15 Speaker 4: Grouse. 00:17:16 Speaker 1: 10... grouse and a laptop. 00:17:22 Speaker 5: That's why your charger doesn't work anymore. 00:17:26 Speaker 1: You guys had a good night. Because I like to do big screen trail cam checking. Big screen. So I was getting a couple. 00:17:34 Speaker 2: Things out of the woods and I was like, I'm going to have my laptop with me because I'm not patient enough to wait. So I had my laptop in there and me and my kids had our dead grouses in there. 00:17:43 Speaker 1: Big bang boom. 00:17:45 Speaker 2: But mine has a custom sticker, meat eater laboratories. 00:17:47 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's prototype special. 00:17:49 Speaker 4: What species of grouse did you guys get into so well? 00:17:52 Speaker 1: How technical do you want me to get? 00:17:55 Speaker 4: Super. 00:17:55 Speaker 1: Are you like an ornithological society man? No. In that case, then they were duskies. 00:18:01 Speaker 4: Duskies. 00:18:01 Speaker 1: If you're just a regular blue collar guy, blue grouse. 00:18:04 Speaker 4: Got it. 00:18:04 Speaker 7: Yeah. 00:18:05 Speaker 4: It's a nice haul. 00:18:07 Speaker 1: Go check that bag out, fhfgear.com. All got bigger than that. All got bigger than that. How many did you end with? We had four hunters. 00:18:13 Speaker 4: 12? 00:18:15 Speaker 1: Me, three kids. That's a good day. 00:18:20 Speaker 6: Anyhow, if you want to check it out, FHFgear.com It's a big price tag, but you'll use it not only for years, but throughout the entire year. 00:18:30 Speaker 1: That's good. That's all you're going to say about it? It speaks for itself. Grab one and show it. 00:18:38 Speaker 6: Pass that one behind you, Bryce. That's one on a K4 frame. If you look at the left You know, no, give me the one on the left. 00:18:45 Speaker 1: Sorry, give me the one on the left. Why's Bryce got to do it? This sucker. He's a chef. 00:18:53 Speaker 6: This is how this bad Larry's going to come. Okay, no waist belt, straps, pad, kind of your everyday 24-hour, 36-hour pack. 00:19:02 Speaker 1: It'd be great. 00:19:04 Speaker 6: Then you can take that sucker, pan over to Steve, and throw your apex belt on. 00:19:11 Speaker 1: Another whip pan. I got mine clipped behind. Yep. 00:19:13 Speaker 6: Throw your Apex belt on there, and now you have some load-bearing capability. You got your hip deal going on, E4s, whatever you want. 00:19:20 Speaker 2: Keep your bullets in these little pockets when you're grouse hunting. 00:19:22 Speaker 1: Yep. 00:19:22 Speaker 6: Throw your grouse in there, your laptop, whatever you want. And then, Bryce, we got the K4 version. 00:19:28 Speaker 1: Same bag. 00:19:29 Speaker 6: You strip all the shoulder pads off, the waist belt, all that stuff, and you can mount this sucker. 00:19:36 Speaker 4: On an XO K4 frame. 00:19:38 Speaker 6: And it works just like it would any other Western meat hauling pack. It's about 2200 cubic inches. Perfect for truck hunting, day hunting, maybe two nights, one night, two nights. 00:19:49 Speaker 1: Um, yeah it's great love that thing made in america thanks man yep all right phil cue your news. 00:20:03 Speaker 5: What was that uh that was a pigeon delivering a letter and putting it through a mail slot. 00:20:09 Speaker 1: Well, I wouldn't have gotten that. 00:20:11 Speaker 5: He's been using that one for weeks. Those are the best sound effects, the ones you have to explain to people, just like jokes. 00:20:17 Speaker 1: This is your news presented by Banish. 00:20:21 Speaker 2: Speaking of suppressors here, Banish, speaking of suppressors, at the end of the show we have an update from Silencer Central on changes to the NFA. 00:20:29 Speaker 1: You don't need to know what that means. You can listen to the whole story. 00:20:34 Speaker 2: It's fascinating if you're a policy guy, if you like the details. The long and short of it is probably In the history of America, this is going to sound bold. At the end of the episode, you'll hear the whole interview. In the history of America, now is probably definitely the best time that has ever happened and could become. 00:21:00 Speaker 1: The best. What am I trying to say? 00:21:03 Speaker 2: Undoubtedly, right now is the best moment ever to get a suppressor if you've been thinking about a suppressor. Because the federal government regulatory changes. There's a chance it'll get better. There seems to be a better chance it's going to get worse. 00:21:19 Speaker 6: Depending on the state you live in. 00:21:21 Speaker 1: Depending on the state you live in. Or not. 00:21:24 Speaker 4: Or following. 00:21:25 Speaker 2: We'll hit it at the end. 00:21:30 Speaker 1: Listen to the interview. Just listen in the end. Listen in the end. Listen in the end. 00:21:35 Speaker 2: Politically, politically in this country. 00:21:38 Speaker 1: The. 00:21:40 Speaker 2: Friends of the suppressors are in power. The enemies of the suppressors will follow on their heels. But just listen to the whole damn thing later. The generator update is this. I spelled out on a news show this problem. I have a generator that needs an exorcism. The greatest mechanical minds in Ketchikan, Alaska have not been able to solve this problem. 00:22:05 Speaker 1: I laid it all out. 00:22:07 Speaker 2: This is Insider for you people that listened and participated. You built the graph. 00:22:13 Speaker 1: Can you explain the graph? 00:22:14 Speaker 7: Yeah. 00:22:15 Speaker 6: Basically, we aggregated comments from the email, the inbox, which always feel free to write in, and the YouTube comments. And we've got two columns. We've got, there's five top suggestions on how to exercise this generator. And there's a differentiation between the YouTube folks, the YouTube mechanics. and the email mechanics. 00:22:38 Speaker 1: But really, there's two options. Could you put more faith in the YouTube guy or the email guy? 00:22:42 Speaker 6: Well, that's what I want to find out. I don't know who's a more educated populace on generators. 00:22:49 Speaker 1: The YouTube comments... What do you think about. 00:22:51 Speaker 7: That, Bryce? 00:22:53 Speaker 8: I would say email. If you take the time to type out an email. 00:22:55 Speaker 1: You're smarter? 00:22:56 Speaker 4: You're smarter. 00:22:57 Speaker 1: You know what I found? 00:22:57 Speaker 8: Anyone can comment on a YouTube video. 00:22:59 Speaker 6: Many mechanics who wrote in apologized for their grammar, which I don't care. But I found that the better suggestions came from the guys who had poor grammar. I started not trusting in the guys who wrote real. 00:23:12 Speaker 1: Yeah, because they spent their life wrenching that stuff. I agree. I agree. So anyways. Yeah, they're not like keyboard. They're not keyboard dudes. 00:23:18 Speaker 8: They probably don't even have an email. They just go on YouTube. 00:23:20 Speaker 2: Yeah, these dudes, they got a dip packed and they're wrenching. Turn that down or just spell right. 00:23:25 Speaker 6: They vote that it's the low oil level slash pressure sensor. And the email guys think it's the fuel cap or tank vent is clogged up. 00:23:36 Speaker 1: I'm trying them both, dude. I'm not even going to find out which it was. 00:23:39 Speaker 5: Is it in town getting fixed or is it still there? 00:23:42 Speaker 1: It's been to town. 00:23:43 Speaker 2: This is a well-traveled generator. I got more money into shipping this generator back and forth. 00:23:49 Speaker 1: When I say I, I mean my co-owners. We got more money in shipping this generator around than it would cost to buy the damn generator. 00:23:55 Speaker 5: Aren't you going back there this fall? 00:23:56 Speaker 1: It's out there right now. 00:23:58 Speaker 5: But you're going back to Met? 00:23:59 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm doing all this junk. 00:24:01 Speaker 8: What kind of generator is it? 00:24:03 Speaker 1: It's a Honda EU7000. 00:24:06 Speaker 5: The big boy. 00:24:08 Speaker 1: Big dog. 00:24:09 Speaker 6: So those were number ones and two. Number three was the cominder sensor. The fourth recommended was overheating and thermal sensor. 00:24:18 Speaker 1: And the fifth was the ignition coil. 00:24:20 Speaker 6: So there's your hit list. 00:24:21 Speaker 2: I like these guys on the ignition coil. They're saying take a heat gun and just speed it along. Heat the ignition coil. Instead of waiting four hours for it to shut off, heat it with the heat gun. Mainly the reason we're getting into this is thank you. 00:24:36 Speaker 1: Thank you. Yes. 00:24:37 Speaker 2: Thank you for all this feedback. 00:24:41 Speaker 1: It means the world. Bison skull discovery. Check this out. 00:24:46 Speaker 4: Best story of the show. 00:24:48 Speaker 1: Check this out. Someone writes in. 00:24:50 Speaker 2: We own a small piece of river property in southwest Minnesota, which is what makes this interesting. 00:24:56 Speaker 1: To me a little bit. Because, you know, some guy in Wyoming, sure. Sure. They're covered up in them. but Southwest Minnesota, we are currently experiencing a drought. 00:25:08 Speaker 2: Oh, um, my kid was reading me an article yesterday, uh, that the Mallard count is just devastating right now. 00:25:19 Speaker 1: Mallards are at like. 00:25:19 Speaker 2: A 50 year low because of the same drought this kid's talking about. Um, We're currently experiencing a drought which has made the river lower than it has been in quite some time. On a walk on the river this summer with my three-year-old daughter, I found a broken off buffalo horn, see picture below, in the water wedged between some rocks. 00:25:42 Speaker 1: There it is. 00:25:43 Speaker 2: What's remarkable for you folks just listening is he's holding up a chunk of a buffalo. 00:25:48 Speaker 1: Skull, but it is coal black. Coal black, jet black. 00:25:55 Speaker 2: I thought this was an amazing find until I went home and showed it off to my wife and two boys. When showing my six-year-old son the horn, he said, well, dad, the other day when I was on the river, I seen two of those and they were connected. 00:26:11 Speaker 1: That's the best part. 00:26:15 Speaker 2: We went down to the river and there under the water wedged against the rock was a full buffalo skull. And he's got pictures of his little boy. holding a gorgeous jet black. 00:26:30 Speaker 1: Skull. I would wonder about that you build... No. 00:26:36 Speaker 2: You know when they find something super old and cool, they put it in a tank? If you excavate an old boat out of the water, they'll put it in a tank of water. 00:26:46 Speaker 5: So it doesn't deteriorate. 00:26:47 Speaker 2: Yeah, knowing that once you change its environment, it's going to go to shit. I feel that in six months, he's going to be the proud owner, owner of a cardboard colored Buffalo skull and not a coal black Buffalo skull. I don't know what he's going to do about this. 00:27:05 Speaker 5: The stuff about this, how big it is, is interesting to me. 00:27:09 Speaker 1: Oh, I hadn't got that. 00:27:11 Speaker 5: Um, Simply because, like, is there, you can read it and then I'll ask you. 00:27:16 Speaker 2: Well, he's dabbling in here without knowing it. He's dabbling in a discipline. 00:27:20 Speaker 1: Called horn core morphology. 00:27:23 Speaker 5: Which is what I'm getting at. Like, what it's actually from. Like, because bison antiquus was bigger and had straighter horns and it's kind of, is it possible that's not a bison bison and it's a bison antiquus? 00:27:36 Speaker 1: Here's what we'll do. Nate, you're going to have to be in charge of this. Okay. 00:27:40 Speaker 2: If he's willing, we will raise the money to have him send a gram of it to beta analytics in florida and we will settle the question we just need 600 bucks we'll send it in we'll send a gram in and get it radiocarbon dated we'll make a go fund me. 00:28:03 Speaker 1: Everyone pitches in a dollar. 00:28:04 Speaker 2: Or whatever 50 cents i don't know something yep Until we can find out how old. 00:28:08 Speaker 1: His skull is. 00:28:09 Speaker 5: Phil, did you pull up. 00:28:10 Speaker 1: Minnesotans. Yeah. 00:28:12 Speaker 2: Minnesotans, this is your duty as Minnesotans. 00:28:15 Speaker 5: That picture is wild. 00:28:16 Speaker 1: Go to Nate's GoFundMe, which he hasn't made yet, and give a dollar. We'll work up a little kitty, a little pot. 00:28:24 Speaker 2: Of 600 bucks and send it to Beta Analytics. He just got a Dremel out of Graham out of that sucker. 00:28:28 Speaker 1: I've done it. I'll show him right where to get it from. 00:28:30 Speaker 6: This GoFundMe will be live when this episode drops. 00:28:32 Speaker 1: I don't know the name yet. 00:28:34 Speaker 2: It's called Minnesotans... For accurate bison skull dating. 00:28:38 Speaker 3: Okay. 00:28:43 Speaker 1: Nailed it. 00:28:46 Speaker 6: I got a quick update on your kid's question. 00:28:48 Speaker 1: I already know the answer. Well, what did you think? I think the blood's all right where it belongs. 00:28:55 Speaker 6: No, my brother, who's an orthopedic surgeon and military trauma guy, he said, If they were gradually frozen, then most blood would be shunted centrally. 00:29:04 Speaker 1: If they were flash frozen, probably. I think he meant flash. I'll check back. 00:29:09 Speaker 4: Yeah, text him. 00:29:10 Speaker 1: He's too little to text, but I'll have to just talk to him. 00:29:13 Speaker 5: Not getting stuck in a meat locker and freezing over the course of it. 00:29:16 Speaker 1: I'll just have to connect with him in person, I think, later today. 00:29:20 Speaker 2: All right, time for the news. Wow, Trey McKinney's here. Youngest ever at 21 to become Angler of the Year. Fresh out of the dove fields. 00:29:39 Speaker 1: Here he is. trey mckinney you there yes sir what's going on here's my. 00:29:44 Speaker 2: First question for you so okay so you're 21 years old you just became angler of the year at what age did you become aware that there was a thing called angler of the year. 00:29:57 Speaker 7: Honestly, like you said, I was definitely to an age, probably like 16, once I realized actually the true meaning of it, of what it meant and what the actual title was. I'd say probably 16, 17. 00:30:11 Speaker 2: Lay out the path to become Angler of the Year. Tell me about your last two years as a professional bass fisherman. 00:30:21 Speaker 3: Absolutely. 00:30:23 Speaker 7: You actually have to qualify through the Open's There's a few different ways you can, but the main way is through the open. So it's like you probably have, I don't know, anywhere from probably 200-plus guys. And they fish nine events, and they take nine guys. And they take a few more if you count the bass nation and stuff. But, yeah, so you have to finish in the top nine in points out of the average of all these guys. And then there, after you qualify for that, you qualify for the Elite Series of what we're fishing now. And then it's actually the top 100. So and then every year you have to finish probably above the cut line. So it's about like the 80th place or something like that. Or you actually get cut and then they bring in the new nine guys. So it's definitely you definitely got to stay on top. 00:31:10 Speaker 3: Of your game for sure. 00:31:12 Speaker 7: But once you qualify and you get in, you know, that's kind of the goal is like once you get kind of settled down, get in late series. A top 50 finish in AOI is definitely everybody's goal to keep you in it so you know you're kind of safe. You don't have to worry about losing your career, your job. But we've been really blessed these last years. 00:31:31 Speaker 3: Actually, we never finished out of. 00:31:33 Speaker 7: The top two out of Angler of the Year, and we finally sealed the deal this year. 00:31:37 Speaker 1: So you were second place two times in a row. 00:31:41 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not very good closer, I guess. 00:31:46 Speaker 2: That's amazing though, man. Kevin Van Dam, was he previously the youngest angler of the year? 00:31:54 Speaker 8: He was. 00:31:55 Speaker 1: How old was he when he got it? 00:31:58 Speaker 7: I think I beat him by three and a half years or something like that. 00:32:03 Speaker 3: It was actually a pretty good margin. I didn't realize at all. 00:32:06 Speaker 7: It was over a thousand something days that I beat his record. 00:32:10 Speaker 3: I was pretty pumped. 00:32:13 Speaker 2: And then lay out for me a little bit, how long have you been a professional bass? I'm assuming now you're way beyond having a side job, right? 00:32:23 Speaker 1: How long have you been? 00:32:24 Speaker 3: Yes, sir. 00:32:25 Speaker 1: Well, I got two questions for you, I guess. 00:32:28 Speaker 2: Tell us how you define a professional bass fisherman. 00:32:33 Speaker 3: Absolutely. 00:32:34 Speaker 7: So I guess how I would define it is when most of your income comes from any kind of spot, like any kind of sponsor. So, um, for us, like that's where, if we didn't have our sponsors, there's no way we could do it. Cause you guys have seen it. Gas prices, diesel prices, absolutely insane right now. Um, so it definitely is. It makes it tough, um, because our payouts are pretty good. You know, it's a hundred grand to win one, um, for the classic it's 300 grand. Um, then you get a hundred grand for ally and then they pay all the way down to 50th place. So if you finish good and consistent, you know, you're going to make a decent living. Um, but you know, where you actually set yourself apart. to be a professional angler is when you mostly rely on sponsors, social media, stuff like that as well. And nowadays I feel like that's where if you are actually one of the top like 10% that, you know, I'd say a lot of the guys in the elite series, you know, there's that 10% that actually truly make a good living. 00:33:31 Speaker 3: And that's definitely mainly related around the sponsors. 00:33:33 Speaker 7: Okay. 00:33:34 Speaker 2: So at 21 years of age, how many years have you been a pro? Two. 00:33:40 Speaker 3: I would say this, this, this, this one will be my third. 00:33:43 Speaker 7: Um, but before this, I was kind of, as soon as I started the elite series, we kind of went, well, we didn't have a plan B or nothing. You know, it was kind of, that was it. We know we didn't, we didn't have any other, no option. We didn't go to college, nothing like that. Um, we just kind of full send it all the way. And, uh, thank, thank goodness we were blessed enough. 00:34:00 Speaker 3: It worked out. 00:34:01 Speaker 1: How many people in your immediate family are kind of like he did what? 00:34:06 Speaker 3: Yeah, a few people were a little skeptical. They're like, so you're going to go fish for a living, right? And I'm like, yeah, yeah, man, that's what I'm going to try. And they're like, wow, okay, I didn't see that one coming. But now, man, it's pretty special. 00:34:22 Speaker 7: Everybody's kind of coming together here in Southern Illinois, and I had so many text messages from everybody rooting me on. 00:34:28 Speaker 1: Oh, I bet, man. 00:34:29 Speaker 3: It's pretty special. 00:34:30 Speaker 2: I got to tell you, me interviewing you, I can only ask you dumb questions because I don't know a lot about this. The guy that could ask you good questions is Seth Morris, who's very excited that you're coming on, and he follows you, but he's fishing. 00:34:44 Speaker 3: That sounds about right. 00:34:45 Speaker 2: So you would have had a better interview if he wasn't fishing, but it makes sense that he's fishing, but he's a big fan of yours too. So what's your vacation look like now? Do you sit back and kick it, or when do you got to go out and fish and compete again? 00:34:59 Speaker 9: Absolutely. 00:35:01 Speaker 7: So right now it's home season. Um, that's literally, that's basically all I do is a hunting fish. Um, just an outdoorsman. Like, I feel like a lot of us, you know, it's, uh, it's kind of what I enjoy. Um, but you, usually my season will start mid January. And unfortunately that's about when all the ducks get here, um, down here in Southern Illinois. Um, but usually, you know, I get it. a lot of good weeks before that and stuff. And we usually start mid January and then run. I usually, I have actually an in bed truck camper. Um, now, now that I invested in and I usually run till the first week of September, um, and come back home. And then usually that's when I head to Canada, Saskatchewan or anywhere like that and stay up there for, you know, two weeks to a month and over a month and, uh, just kind of work my way back waterfowl hunting. Um, All the way here to Southern Illinois. We got some big whitetail here. A little bit north of me is definitely a lot better. But no, we got some good deer and pretty much live in the woods and in a field after fishing season's over. 00:35:58 Speaker 1: Okay, here's a couple quickies for you. 00:36:01 Speaker 4: Hold on. I feel like you're already wrapping it up. We're not going to go into the forward-facing sonar with Trey? 00:36:06 Speaker 3: Hey, we can. 00:36:07 Speaker 1: I'm in it. Let's debate it. 00:36:08 Speaker 3: Let's do it. 00:36:08 Speaker 6: Oh. 00:36:10 Speaker 1: I don't want to hit him up with that. He's probably sick of hearing about it. There's just a big article in. 00:36:14 Speaker 2: The Wall Street Journal about him and the Canadian and forward-facing sonar. 00:36:21 Speaker 1: I just assumed he's sick of talking about it. We'll ask him about it. Can I ask my two quickies? 00:36:24 Speaker 7: Yeah. 00:36:24 Speaker 2: I'm going to ask my two quickies, and I'm handing it over to Giannis. Small-mouth bass or large-mouth bass? There is a wrong answer to this. 00:36:32 Speaker 8: Yeah. 00:36:33 Speaker 7: I mean, they're so different that it's hard to pick one or the other because there's so many– positive and negatives of both. But man, a big, like a giant largemouth, like a Texan, it's hard to beat that. 00:36:48 Speaker 1: That's the wrong answer. I'm sorry. 00:36:52 Speaker 2: Now, remove the professional aspect of it. Someone comes to you, like a supreme emperor being, comes to you and says, Trey, you can hunt or fish. 00:37:06 Speaker 1: You can't do both. but there's no professional part of it. What do you say? 00:37:14 Speaker 3: I feel like, I feel like I'm also going to pick hunting. 00:37:16 Speaker 7: I mean, mainly because I probably do fishing for a job, but the camaraderie and like, you know, just the hanging out. 00:37:22 Speaker 3: With your buddies, uh, the memories that you have. 00:37:24 Speaker 7: I mean, you can have it in fishing, but man, all the ones that I remember seem like they come from the field. 00:37:29 Speaker 1: Or the woods. 00:37:30 Speaker 3: And, uh, I don't know. 00:37:31 Speaker 7: It's pretty special moment when you got it, when you got your buddies and the right people you surround yourself with. And, I know you have plenty of those moments. 00:37:39 Speaker 3: It's pretty special. 00:37:41 Speaker 2: I used to very much agree, and now that I'm in my 50s, I switched my answer to fishing. 00:37:50 Speaker 1: Really? I think you could fish to the bitter end, man. 00:37:57 Speaker 3: You can. 00:37:57 Speaker 1: If your kids can get you into a boat, you're fishing. 00:38:01 Speaker 2: I just feel like if I had to pick now, if I was being strategic, I would now go fishing because I'm like, dude, I'm going to fish until the day I– I mean, I'll literally be fishing on the day I die. 00:38:11 Speaker 1: I hope. I hope. You could be. 00:38:15 Speaker 4: Shooting doves off of a bucket on that day too. That's true. 00:38:19 Speaker 2: If it's dove season. But it's always fishing season. I'm switching to fishing. Like my– I just switched. I officially switched. Okay, Yanni's going to take over. He's going to ask you the hard-hitting questions everybody wants to hear. 00:38:31 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know. I'm trying to set it up so that we can... Everybody knows what this is. Brody, you might have to help. 00:38:38 Speaker 1: We talk about this so much. 00:38:41 Speaker 5: If they don't know what forward-facing sonar is now, forget them. 00:38:43 Speaker 4: So everybody knows what forward-facing sonar is. In these tournaments that Trey is in, it's become so contentious and... uh correct me if i'm wrong here but that like in your uh the the entire tournament season they split the tournaments in half where half of them you can use this new technology and some you can't or the other half you can't a lot of people thought that this new crop of younger anglers like yourself is there anybody younger than you on the on the tournament Oh. 00:39:15 Speaker 3: It's close now. 00:39:16 Speaker 7: Like I know like last year I was definitely the youngest, but now it's close. 00:39:20 Speaker 4: All right. So, you know, sub 25, sub 30 year olds that are all using this technology to catch fish. And people thought that since they said in half the tournaments, you wouldn't be able to use this. 00:39:30 Speaker 1: They'd all shit the bed. 00:39:31 Speaker 4: Yeah, these guys would not be able to catch a fish. Turned out that wasn't the case. At least it wasn't the case for Trey. 00:39:36 Speaker 2: It's the biggest nah-ha in the world, is they take his forward-facing sonar away, and he still wins! 00:39:42 Speaker 4: Yeah, so I guess, I don't know if... I don't have a specific question prepared on the heels of that, but off the top of my head, I guess... when they made that rule and you knew that you were going to, that you weren't going to be able to use the technology for half of your tournaments, were. 00:39:58 Speaker 1: You like, Oh no. 00:40:00 Speaker 4: Or were you like, Oh, no big deal. I was fishing like this for 10 years before I ever had forward facing sonar. 00:40:06 Speaker 7: Yeah, no, I definitely more of that case because like when we started, of course we didn't have it. Right. Like, so it was just, just like normal fishing, you know? Um, but like, to me, like the four facing like a tool, right. So like for me, um, it's about efficiency. So it's like anything else. It's just, it's just makes you way more efficient and fast and like you can cover a lot more water and understand what's going on. Um, so yeah, they did, you know, honestly, it's kind of crazy because the older folks that, uh, is doing most of the complaining and, you know, about it, um, they actually had the tool first, um, but, uh, they just didn't, I guess, uh, learn it as well. And, uh, the younger guys come in and, And, you know, it was it was the deal because it made you so efficient. Like now, you know, I go out to the lake and if I turn my four face off, you know, it takes me 10 times to hit. 00:40:56 Speaker 3: This brush ball, you know. 00:40:57 Speaker 7: But if I turn it on, you know, I can hit one cast and hit right in the middle of the brush ball. So, yeah, it just comes down for me. I just like it because it's an efficiency game. Like I just get tired, caught up by fishing a spot if. 00:41:10 Speaker 3: You don't got no fish, you know, or not. Not only that. 00:41:13 Speaker 7: I like if I'm casting, at least I know my bait's in a high percentage area. So like, you know, that's, that's the big deal for me. I like keeping it in a high percentage area, uh, where I have good odds all day long. You know, that's, that's the whole thing about fishing. You know, if you, if you keep your bait in the highest percentage odds all day long, most likely you're going to finish, you know, at the top five, um, if you're fishing enough with it. So it's, uh, it's definitely a controversial term for sure in bass fishing right now. Like, That's the word that gets everybody riled up, live scope. 00:41:42 Speaker 2: Would you fish a tournament that was– let's say there was a tournament and it had a normal paycheck or a normal– what do you call it? 00:41:49 Speaker 1: I don't know, like a prize. Purse. A normal purse. 00:41:53 Speaker 2: And the tournament was like zero live scope. No live scope in this tournament at all. Would you be like, great, I'm in? 00:42:02 Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I definitely wouldn't be like, hey, yeah. But I would definitely be like, let's do it. It doesn't really affect me. Um, no, it's definitely, it's cause it's still just fishing like anything else. You know, there's, there's plenty of stuff. 00:42:13 Speaker 3: That kind of goes, I guess, coexist with it, but, um, no, I, it's. 00:42:18 Speaker 7: Still fishing to me. You know, you're still going out there trying to get as many bites as you can, um, and catch as many fish as you can. So honestly, you know, the game stays the same. It just makes it a little different, you know, when you're able to use those tools, whether it'd be like, you know, hunting, I guess, I mean, this is not the same, but like with Onyx, right? So like, if you have your on X and you're more efficient knowing exactly which ways. 00:42:40 Speaker 3: You can go up the mountains, how you can go up, how you can, you know. 00:42:43 Speaker 7: Track down or cut a deer off or however. Um, but without that, it's a little harder. Cause you kind of got to, you know, just kind of guess, you know what I mean? 00:42:50 Speaker 1: Not test, but you got to go over there first and have a look. 00:42:52 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. 00:42:54 Speaker 6: Yeah. 00:42:54 Speaker 3: You're a little bit more efficient with it. So that's how I, I guess see it. 00:42:57 Speaker 7: A live scope for me is like, I just like it because it's a great tool. You know, I know exactly what I'm getting into when I'm there and, uh, makes life a little easier. 00:43:07 Speaker 4: All right. Possibly as contentious as four-facing sonar. 00:43:13 Speaker 1: Come on. 00:43:13 Speaker 4: Do you eat largemouth? 00:43:15 Speaker 1: Oh, you can't ask him this question. 00:43:16 Speaker 4: Why not? 00:43:17 Speaker 1: Because you'd put him on the spot. 00:43:19 Speaker 4: I really do. Do you eat them? And then if you say no, do you have any problems with people that do eat the bass? 00:43:27 Speaker 3: No, actually, a lot of times. 00:43:28 Speaker 7: So it depends. And if you're keeping like six pounders, I'm going to be like. 00:43:32 Speaker 4: Bro, I wasn't doing anything. Like, no. 00:43:36 Speaker 8: No. 00:43:36 Speaker 3: For sure. Like that's, that's a problem. 00:43:39 Speaker 7: But, but no, like if you're just helping, like, honestly, it helps a lot of fisheries out. 00:43:44 Speaker 3: Right. 00:43:44 Speaker 7: Because like a lot of them will have too high of a population where they, you know, they don't have enough to eat. So they get stunted and then, you know, you won't have any big fish to catch. So it is, I tell a lot of people, if you're in a high populated area where there's a ton of fish from 14 inches to, you know, 16 or 17, those are the perfect to eat. Like, and honestly, when you do take them out, and you knock the sides off of them, it honestly will help that fishery a lot because it gives a lot of the other sources of life to get food. You know, it's not such a race and not skinny. You know, it's an unhealthy fishery when you got too many. But when it's just right and we have people where they take them out and eat them, that's when you grow the biggest ones. 00:44:25 Speaker 1: So you like to fry them up, obviously. 00:44:28 Speaker 7: I do both, you know, bass, what I like about it, it's a little bit, you know, harder. So like you can grill it or something like that, where when you kind of get underneath it, you know, it don't just all fall apart. 00:44:37 Speaker 1: Got it. 00:44:38 Speaker 3: So it does, you can actually black it in. 00:44:39 Speaker 7: On a grill and it's honestly, it's quite tasty. 00:44:43 Speaker 9: I love it. 00:44:43 Speaker 3: But frying it is definitely a good option. You can't, can't go wrong with that. 00:44:46 Speaker 5: Okay. 00:44:46 Speaker 1: Last question. You married or anything like that? 00:44:48 Speaker 7: I do have a girlfriend going on a year and a half now. So still early for a lot of people, but now it's, it's going really well. 00:44:56 Speaker 1: Congratulations. All right, everybody. Trey McKinney, youngest ever twin angler of the year. Congratulations. 00:45:06 Speaker 2: Good luck on your fall. You've been hitting some doves. Sounds like you've got deer plans, duck plans, fish plans. 00:45:13 Speaker 3: Yes, sir. 00:45:14 Speaker 4: All right, man. 00:45:15 Speaker 1: Enjoy it, buddy. Thanks for coming on. 00:45:17 Speaker 4: Thanks, Trey. 00:45:17 Speaker 3: I appreciate it. Thanks for the opportunity as well, man. 00:45:20 Speaker 1: Have a good day. Take it easy. 00:45:22 Speaker 2: See you, boys. 00:45:26 Speaker 1: All right, Bryce Stubbs. 00:45:28 Speaker 4: How's it going? 00:45:29 Speaker 1: Welcome into the studio. 00:45:30 Speaker 4: This is great. 00:45:31 Speaker 8: Happy to be here. 00:45:32 Speaker 1: Tell us what 100 Cooks is, man. 00:45:34 Speaker 8: So it was a cooking competition show. It was the first season ever. And the premise was taking home cooks from America. And they found 100 of us and they flew us all to LA. And then it was just a competition. 00:45:47 Speaker 1: How'd they find you? 00:45:49 Speaker 8: So for me, they found me on Instagram. So I would post like cooking videos and stuff when I was in college and it was kind of just a hobby thing, you know, like meal preps for my friends. And then, yeah, they found me on that. And I thought it was a scam. So I didn't respond for like four days. I had this DM and I was like, that's not real. This is back in December of 2025. And then four days go by. I'm like, what's going to hurt? You know, I was like working in the oil fields. It was on my phone probably too much anyways. I was like, I'll just respond. She gets back to me right away. And she's like, let's have a phone call like at 10 tomorrow. And I was like, okay, maybe it's real. Chatted with her for like five minutes. And she's like, yeah, you seem like a good fit for the show. We're going to send you to the head casting director. Maybe this is real. 00:46:29 Speaker 1: And then the next day, they already watched all your videos. 00:46:31 Speaker 8: They must've seen a couple of my videos. 00:46:32 Speaker 1: They must've known something about you or like did. 00:46:35 Speaker 8: A little bit of research. But then I kind of just started talking about like my story and like the jobs I've worked in the stuff I've done. And they were just like interested in that, I think. And they're like, well, we can build something off of this. And then I talked to the head casting director. Uh, the next day I had a zoom call. So like happened really fast. It was in the beginning of December. And, We had like a 30 minute conversation and then he like stopped it at the end. And he's like, dude, you're going to be great for the show. He's like, this is like, he's like, I think you'll do good on this. He's like, if you don't get on this, he's like, we'll get you on guys, grocery games or something else. 00:47:03 Speaker 1: You know? 00:47:03 Speaker 8: And I was like, oh, cool. You know, like it must've went well. 00:47:05 Speaker 1: It's all it takes. 00:47:06 Speaker 7: Yeah. 00:47:06 Speaker 8: And then he took that and I guess they cut it down to like three minutes and then sent it to the head producers of the show. And then Christmas time came, New Year's, New Year's came. And so it was just like dark for like three weeks. And I was kind of like, all right, well, is this going to happen or not? 00:47:21 Speaker 1: I have to go. 00:47:21 Speaker 8: I was working in the oil fields at the time. 00:47:23 Speaker 1: What oil fields? 00:47:25 Speaker 8: So I was in Wright, Wyoming, Gillette, Wyoming, working there. And then my last hitch I did in March after the show, I went to North Dakota. So that was over by Stanley. But yeah, so I was about to start my next hitch in January. And I was just kind of waiting for the show because it's going to be the third week of January. We're going to film. We'll fly you down. And so the 14th, I was supposed to start my next hitch. The 13th, I got an email and I was like, hey, you made it on the show, we bought your flights to LA, hope these work. You're flying down in seven days. And I was like, I have a job. So I had to call my boss and explain what I had going on. And he was kind of on the fence. He was like, well, you know, we kind of need you and this and that. Then his wife found out and she got like to him and was like, he's going to Hollywood, you know? I'm like, he's going to go down there and he's going to cook. And so then they're like, yeah, you go ahead. Go ahead. 00:48:14 Speaker 1: It was great. 00:48:15 Speaker 8: Cause that's when we had that cold snap and it was like negative 45 and Stanley, like with the windshield. 00:48:20 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:48:20 Speaker 8: My brother was up there working and I'm like in my king size bed and you know, in the Hilton in LA, I was like, this is great. You know, it's like vacation for me. 00:48:27 Speaker 1: So how long were you down there? Like how long did it take to film the show? 00:48:30 Speaker 8: So how it worked is they, they flew us all down there at the same time. We got it on a Thursday. It was like 15 days total. I think I was there. The Friday, we had like a media day. So we did like an interview, like who you are, why you're here. And then Saturday, dark day. And then Sunday was the first day of filming. And it was cutthroat. Like the first challenge, there was like 11 people called down. And I think seven were eliminated right off the bat. And if you get eliminated, like they fly you home the next day. Like they're not going to pay. 00:48:57 Speaker 1: For you to stay. So you're saying that you sort of like within a day or whatever, you went from. 00:49:02 Speaker 8: 100 people I think episode two, there was 74 left. 00:49:06 Speaker 1: So they're getting right to it. 00:49:07 Speaker 8: Yeah, they went straight to the point. We didn't know anything when we showed up. It was like an old abandoned Ikea building. So it was massive. And we didn't know the judges. We didn't know the host. 00:49:17 Speaker 1: All kinds of unassembled. 00:49:18 Speaker 2: Uh unassembled deck yeah home furnishings everywhere. 00:49:22 Speaker 8: Yeah no they've turned it into like a full-on cooking studio with like massive commercial fridges and like everything to store all their stuff for all the shows that they run out of it um but yeah so no one knew what was going on like everyone was kind of in the dark and it was just a lot of sitting and waiting and then they, we found out and then they call this down and I was like, Oh, this is, this is real life. And I was like seeing people cry and getting cut off the show. 00:49:41 Speaker 2: And I was like, and they're telling you, like, give me an example of a challenge. 00:49:44 Speaker 1: Like you come down in the morning or whatever, and they tell you to do what? Yeah. 00:49:47 Speaker 8: So like we go on set, they'd run through like everybody clap, everybody cheer, kind of get the B roll stuff for the show. And it felt really weird. Cause there's like thousands of cameras everywhere. And I'm just sitting like, Oh, I've never been, you know, in a studio like that or ever actually. And, uh, So the first challenge, they have this big rolling machine. It's got like balls in it. And each ball says like a certain challenge and they have another rolling machine. They call them like the mixers and it's got a hundred balls from one to a hundred. And every one of us has a number on our apron and we're sitting in a chair and there's a big number behind us. That's our number. It was like squid games kind of feel. 00:50:22 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:50:23 Speaker 4: It was weird. 00:50:24 Speaker 8: And then they would roll the first one and it'd be like best noodle dish. And like Terry Cruz, the host, best noodle dish challenge. And then, You know, he'd be like, all right, I need 11 cooks for this one. He'd walk to the mixer and one at a time, he'd roll this mixer and then pull a ball out and be like number 26. And they'd come down and you'd have to wait until everyone gets called down. And then he'd be like, I'm. 00:50:46 Speaker 1: Going to get your number 39. 00:50:47 Speaker 5: Okay. 00:50:47 Speaker 8: Yeah. 00:50:49 Speaker 2: So, and I'm best noodles. Were you hoping, I hope they don't get my number. 00:50:52 Speaker 8: I would have been okay with it. I was like, I definitely don't want to be the first person to go down and cook. But in my head, I was like, just don't go home episode one. I was like, every cooking show I've ever watched, I was like, there's always the guy who goes home episode one. If that happened to me, I was going to tell nobody I went on Food Network. I was like, I was going to come home. I'm not going to ever talk about this again if I get cut the first episode. 00:51:11 Speaker 4: See, I feel like those producers, when they cast you, they were like, this guy is top 20 material. And they cast those other people. I'm reading here in the notes that you beat an old lady in the first round. They cast her to lose in the first round. 00:51:26 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:51:26 Speaker 8: So that's where like there was obvious like you still have to cook. You know, it's like it can't be rigged because you have to go down there and cook. And like I watched it. But like as far as the number drawing goes, it's still TV. It's reality TV. And so the first challenge goes, you know, I see seven people get eliminated. And next challenge, I turned to this guy behind me. I'm like, dude, imagine if they did like a one on one challenge. He's like, oh, that would be crazy, you know. right after Terry pulls a ball and he goes rotisserie chicken challenge. And he goes, I only need two cooks for this challenge. And I was like, okay, there's no way like one-on-one challenge. I was like, they're not going to pick me. Like there's 92 other people up here in the stands. Like there's no way I'm going to be picked. 00:52:03 Speaker 9: Sure. 00:52:04 Speaker 8: First number that comes out is mine. And so then I'm walking down the stands. It's the second challenge of the whole show. 00:52:09 Speaker 1: You're watching this little ball deal. 00:52:11 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:52:11 Speaker 1: You feel like it's a legit ball deal. 00:52:14 Speaker 8: So that's what I don't know is like, how can they have put with like, did they put a bunch of 39s in there? You know what I mean? Or did they, like, is there someone's hands back there? Like, cause it would mess up sometimes. And like, that's the thing where they put the lady. So she was in her seventies. She survived the noodle dish challenge and how it works. If you get the best dish, you get immunity for the episode. Oh, if you get whatever, they decide to keep four out of 11, you're safe, but you can get your ball thrown back in the mixer. 00:52:39 Speaker 6: Okay. 00:52:40 Speaker 8: So her ball gets thrown back in the mixer. And she had just survived the other round. She probably got like second or third place. And everyone in the crowd loved her. You know, like we're all home cooks. It's like, oh, you know, Antoinette, she survived, you know. Everyone was calling her Nona. She had like a catchphrase after the first cook. 00:52:53 Speaker 1: What was your catchphrase? 00:52:54 Speaker 8: Toast that bread. Because she forgot to toast the bread. And she told the judge she would toast the bread if she got a chance. 00:52:59 Speaker 1: What was your catchphrase? 00:53:00 Speaker 8: I didn't, well, I didn't have a catchphrase really. I was trying to just figure things out when I was there. They did get, I'll tell you the nickname they gave me after. Because it was pretty funny, but. I went, so I got called down and like, I knew everybody's like, who's this guy? I was like wearing a real tree camo shirt. Like, who's this guy? And I'm like, I'm from Montana. And like, where I was like, where's Montana at? And like, like a lot of people there genuinely didn't know like where it was. And then they call her number right after. And everyone's like, she's cooking like twice in a row. Like what the heck? But it's like, take the youngest guy who's from like Montana. And then like this Italian, like grandma and like put them against each other. I was like, that doesn't just happen by chance. Uh, and so, yeah, we had to cook off. Um, we had a rotisserie chicken. We had 35 minutes, I think, to make the better dish using a rotisserie chicken, like pre-cooked. 00:53:47 Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. 00:53:48 Speaker 8: So it wasn't, it was like a fun challenge, you know, cause it's like, it's still like home cooks. And so they're trying to like, make sure like people like relate. Um, and like, I mean, I use rotisserie chicken all the time. 00:53:56 Speaker 1: It's great. It's quick. 00:53:58 Speaker 8: Uh, yeah. So we both had to make our own dish and, uh, I ended up beating her and like, After I won, everyone in the crowd was like, oh, like no one was excited. 00:54:08 Speaker 1: Like it was so hard. 00:54:09 Speaker 7: Of course. 00:54:09 Speaker 1: They're like, this Montana dude, he's got to get out of here. 00:54:12 Speaker 8: I couldn't relish it at all. Like I was like, you know, excited. But then like everyone was like, oh no. And so I gave her a hug and like felt bad. And then the next day on set. So we filmed the only episode filmed over two days was episode one. And so I had immunity now because I had the best dish in that round. So the next day, I, like, showed up, you know, like, in my slippers. And I was like, I don't have to cook today because I have immunity. And I was kind of enjoying the day on set, watching other people go up. And they all started calling me the Granny Slayer. And it, like, stuck. And so everyone was like, oh, there's the Granny Slayer from Montana. Like, the Granny Slayer. And it was so funny because I was like, they're going to run with this. And so then I had to do an interview after. 00:54:49 Speaker 1: Yeah, they kind of switched it to, like, Buck Slayer. 00:54:52 Speaker 3: Yeah, anything else. 00:54:53 Speaker 8: Like, the first guy I met on the, like– the ride to the hotel was like, I'm going to call you cowboy. I was like, yeah, that's, I like that. You know, I'll take that. Then as soon as it switched to granny, so I was like, this isn't going to be good. And then the producers would kind of play with that a little bit. Like after my interview of winning, they're like, so why did you think you would beat her? Like, why did you have so much confidence going into this? Like you knew you were going to beat her. And I was like, well, I didn't, I didn't say that, you know, but they're trying to get me to like play a part and stuff. And, but they were, they were pretty good about all that. Like they were upfront in the beginning. They're like, you know, you guys are just regular people. Like, we want to make you look good. We don't want you to like, we're not trying to create stories here. Like if you act like this, we're going to make you look like this. Cause that's how you're acting. 00:55:32 Speaker 4: So it was nice. 00:55:32 Speaker 8: Cause it was like a lot of people just got to go on, you know, it's like doctors, lawyers, people like that. There's a lot of, there's some content creators on there, like food people like that. Um, but it was just people kind of going on telling their story and every day, like home cooks, which was kind of a cool thing to see. Cause I think in a lot of cooking shows, there's a lot more ego involved than chefs. 00:55:53 Speaker 4: Do you really feel like you're an everyday home cook, though? Because I feel like that's what I would call myself. And when I look at someone with your accolades. 00:56:01 Speaker 8: I'm like, I got, it couldn't have been more perfect timing for me. So, like, I grew up in Churchill, went to high school in Manhattan, went to college at MSU. 00:56:12 Speaker 4: Manhattan, Montana. 00:56:13 Speaker 8: Manhattan, Montana. 00:56:14 Speaker 1: Montana State University. 00:56:15 Speaker 8: Amsterdam Elementary, Montana. 00:56:17 Speaker 1: No. Yeah. 00:56:18 Speaker 8: Um, but I graduated. 00:56:19 Speaker 1: He's not an international player. 00:56:20 Speaker 8: I'm from Amsterdam with school in Manhattan. Uh, I graduated from MSU with a finance degree and through college, I had always cooked for my friends and like gold rush and just like started posting videos and just having fun with it. Then I started doing some like catching cook stuff. And I was like, Oh, I really like like cooking a lot. And I've had this passion forever, but I was like, I'll never want to like make my passion, my job. Cause it'll ruin it is what I thought in my younger mind. And then, uh, I graduated school and to get through school, I had a firewood business. So I was cutting firewood in the valley and like had to deal with like Yellowstone National Park. I started in high school and it was all really good. And I, you know, finished college, graduated, sold the firewood business. And then I started like just working construction, trying to figure it out. And everyone's like, why wouldn't you keep the firewood business? You know, I was like, I. 00:57:04 Speaker 1: Don't want to cut firewood the rest of my life. 00:57:06 Speaker 8: What were you getting per cord? So I, when I first started, I was 225 for pine, 275 for fir, and then fur is just so questionable when you get it. Like you can cut into it and it can be like rotten or it can be like rock hard, still green. So I just ended up switching to lodgepole pine. And then, I mean, after COVID, cause I started the business in high school, which was my senior year. So it was 2020, 2019 with just like a log splitter and a chainsaw. And then it started growing and I got like a commercial like processor and stuff. And I just switched only to like lodgepole pine. And then I would just do like 16 inch cuts and it's all split, delivered and like nothing else. Cause people get, Can I. 00:57:45 Speaker 1: Ask you a question? This is a regional question. If I say to you, if I say to you, I would, no, I say to you, I would like to buy a Rick. 00:57:56 Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. 00:57:57 Speaker 1: Do you know what I'm talking about? Yeah. 00:57:57 Speaker 8: It's like a third of an actual cord. 00:57:59 Speaker 4: Exactly. 00:58:00 Speaker 8: Yeah. Because the cord is, it's a four by four by eight, which I'm not sure. 00:58:05 Speaker 1: 16 inch logs. 00:58:05 Speaker 8: What's the cubic? 00:58:07 Speaker 1: Is it 128? 00:58:07 Speaker 8: 128 cubic feet. So it doesn't matter what the measurement is as long as it's 128 cubic. 00:58:13 Speaker 1: Yeah, but people don't want four-foot logs. 00:58:15 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:58:15 Speaker 1: They want 16s. Definitely. A rick is a face cord. Yeah. I don't want to go down that hole. 00:58:21 Speaker 8: A lot of firewood stuff. Just bringing me back. 00:58:24 Speaker 4: Just made steam stay. 00:58:26 Speaker 1: We had no idea you were a firewood man. 00:58:28 Speaker 8: Stubbs Firewood. It was my business, my first business. It was pretty fun. 00:58:31 Speaker 2: I want to jump from firewood to the final deal. So the final deal, how many people are left? When you go into the final challenge, where you got to cook your meat, you got to cook your big meal. 00:58:41 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:58:42 Speaker 1: Your showcase personal meal. How many people are there? 00:58:46 Speaker 8: So the last episode, there's eight of us in the finale. And so the night before, it was funny, they kind of told us like, hey, it's going to be eight of you. This is the most info we got on the challenges. 00:58:57 Speaker 1: Oh, it's going to be what? 00:58:58 Speaker 8: There's going to be eight of us in the finale, the night before. 00:59:01 Speaker 1: I understand. 00:59:01 Speaker 8: Eight cooks, yeah. 00:59:02 Speaker 1: Sorry. 00:59:02 Speaker 8: And they were like, this is the first time we got any info about what the challenge is going to be about. They're like, you're going to make breakfast, lunch, and dinner tomorrow. 00:59:09 Speaker 3: Okay. 00:59:09 Speaker 8: Like, Just think of any ideas for breakfast, lunch, or dinner. We're going to throw some twists in there, obviously. And they're asking us all in this little meeting, the culinary directors, because They get you what you need as far as ingredients go. 00:59:20 Speaker 1: So they're running back and forth to the store. 00:59:22 Speaker 8: Yeah, yep, essentially. And so before we flew, before I even left Montana, every cook was allowed five additional ingredients. So they gave us an entire pantry list, and it was just massive. And I just sifted through it, and they're like, five things that you want that aren't on the list. And so I asked for taro root, huckleberries, elk tenderloin, Anaheim chili peppers, and Oaxaca cheese. 00:59:46 Speaker 1: But this is when there's still 100 of you. 00:59:48 Speaker 8: Yes, there's still 100 of us. And so I asked for these ingredients because I was like, if I can use these and highlight these, that would just be fun for me. You know, like, this is cool. Like, there's no way they're going to find this stuff probably anyways. Send it out. Get on the show. I cooked, I think, eight meals before the finale. And every time, I used like the Anaheim peppers and Oaxaca cheese a couple different times, like in Mexican dishes. But the huckleberries, the taro root, and the elk, I could never find a way to make it make sense. And so I was like, I'm not going to force this in there. when it's not necessary. You just need to follow the challenges and hope for the best. So the night before, they're asking everybody, what do you guys need for ingredients? And someone's like, oh, do you have this sea bass? And someone else is like, oh yeah, I might use that too. And I was like, do you guys have my elk tenderloin? And everyone around me, all the other cooks are like, don't worry, no one's going to touch your elk tenderloin. We don't even know what that is. And then the lady was like, yeah, you know how hard it was to find the huckleberries too? Because this was in March. 01:00:42 Speaker 1: They had it. 01:00:42 Speaker 8: They found frozen huckleberries. And so they're like, we have your huckleberry. She's like, those took a week to get. And she's like, your elk took two weeks to get and they kept it frozen. So it was still good. Um, but I had no idea like what it looked like or anything like that. So they had all of my stuff there. The next day, uh, eight of us start out cooking breakfast and they have, you have to make something stacked or stuffed. And so the day before I had made like this chili relleno inspired pizza. And so I was like, I can't make like a Mexican and like, I want to do like a chili quiles, but I was like, I can't do that. It's so similar to like yesterday's dish. 01:01:13 Speaker 1: Do you have, do you have, Family from Mexico? 01:01:15 Speaker 8: Yeah, my grandma and my mom are from Mexico. 01:01:17 Speaker 3: Great, okay. 01:01:17 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. 01:01:18 Speaker 8: And so, yeah, there's a lot of- I figured it must be a connection. 01:01:20 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. 01:01:21 Speaker 8: And so, I decided to make a tiramisu crepe. And I made that. And I was like, I'm going to show off that I can do a little dessert kind of stuff. 01:01:29 Speaker 1: Dude, you're way beyond me, man. I don't even know where to begin on that. 01:01:33 Speaker 8: Well, it went well. I survived that one. And then the next one, there was five of us. And they're like, all right, you have to highlight a jalapeno or an apple in your lunch dish. And Terry looks at me, he's like, Bryce, what are you going to do? And I'm like, come on. Obviously, I'm going to do a jalapeno. It makes sense. I'm going to use that as my highlighted ingredient. And so I made a shrimp ceviche tostada. And I used the jalapeno four different ways. So I did like a... In the ceviche, there was raw jalapeno. I did a chipotle powder, which is just a dried jalapeno. And I tossed the tostadas in that. So they had like a dusting of that. I charred a jalapeno and made like an aioli. And that was like my... sauce base on the bottom. And then at the very end, I just cut up some slices and like toss them cornstarch and fried them and have like crispy jalapenos on top and survive that. And so now it's just two cooks, uh, me and this guy, Doug, we make it into the finale. And so right before, um, we go to our little break, Terry's like, this is the final challenge. It's like make a dinner worth $ 215, 000. This is the most important dinner of your life. And he's like, you can make whatever you want. And then he let us go outside for like a half an hour. And we couldn't have our phones or anything like that. But you just kind of sit out and wait. 01:02:46 Speaker 1: They don't want you looking up recipes. I don't know. 01:02:49 Speaker 8: Maybe that like, yeah, that's that's a part of it. Like we were allowed to have a little notebook of recipes that we could write down and it had to be certain size, you know, all those things. So you could check that. Yeah, you couldn't have your phone at all. And they were resetting the kitchen, too. So after you cook, they have to reset it. So the judges come out and then they actually brought in a live audience, too, for the final cook. So they brought 100 people in. And so when we came back in, I was like, oh, here we go. You know, I thought it was going. 01:03:12 Speaker 4: To be just me. 01:03:13 Speaker 3: Yeah. 01:03:14 Speaker 8: But the time I was out there, I was like thinking about like, what am I going to make? And it hit me right away. I was like, there's three ingredients I haven't used. And I was like, all three of those ingredients are like part of like the story of my life. Like that's like what I am about. Like I elk every week, you know, huckleberries are from Montana. The tar root, I got it because I had it in Vietnam and I've been lucky to travel a lot like for my age. And So I had tar root frites there and I was like, I'm going to incorporate that too somehow. And then I did like a smoky corn puree as well, like as like an ode to my grandma. Like I remember her flipping whole corn on the cob, like her bare hands, you know. And so I did that as well. And so I made like a seared elk tenderloin with a huckleberry reduction, tar root frites, and then a smoky corn puree. 01:03:56 Speaker 1: Kick Doug's ass. Yeah. Kick Doug's ass. 01:03:59 Speaker 8: So as I was thinking about it, I was like, it just felt more and more like every part of it was like me in Montana. And then I'm like, man, I was like, I'm going to pitch this to the judges. Like, this is how like, I'm going to, you know, this is the story of my life. That's the name of this dish. And I was thinking about it, went in, cooked. And it was so funny because like, normally I was doing pretty good. I had all my stuff organized while I was cooking. And I had every single bowl, mixer, tasting spoon, like all laid out over like two benches because we had the whole kitchen. And they were walking by like, Bryce, what is going on? Like you have stuff everywhere. And I had so many things working at the same time, like getting the huckleberries reduced, frying those taro fruit reeds. You got to soak them in water to get all the toxins and all that starch out of there. And I overcooked my elk tenderloin. 01:04:40 Speaker 1: Okay. 01:04:41 Speaker 8: Because I got them and I cut open the bag and it wasn't a whole tenderloin. They were pre-sliced and they were like maybe an inch thick. And so I saw him, I was like, all right, I got to be very, very careful about how I cook these. So I seared them hot, fast, and then butter basted. And I was like, I'll just set them in the oven, let them keep warm. And then I'll cut them at the end. They'll have plenty of time to rest, cut into them. And it was like a gradient, like medium to like medium. Well, it's like cut out the medium wells, you know, and like try to put as many mediums. There's a little bit of medium. 01:05:13 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:05:14 Speaker 8: And it was, it was tough. Cause I was like, it was so funny. Cause the one thing that I should have been able to nail was that I like that elk tenderloin. 01:05:20 Speaker 2: Yeah. 01:05:21 Speaker 8: I should have been fine on that. But, Thankfully, I put so much work into all the other ingredients, you know, it highlighted like everything else and it came together as one dish. And then funny enough, Doug, he cooked a pork chop. He did like a, I think it was some Chinese like pork chop recipe. And he grabbed a big old pork chop. When he pulled it out, it was raw in the center. So he had to cut it in half and quick pants here real quick to just get it up to temp and he dried it out. And so when they were like, you guys both overcooked your proteins. I was like, here we go. You know, it's like now it's like, just based on the overall at this point. And I had more components. Um, and yeah, I mean, I thought, you know, I thought I had a really good dish. 01:05:58 Speaker 2: So do you think if you, do you think if you'd have done that pork chop perfect, you'd have beat you? 01:06:03 Speaker 8: That I don't know. I think it's, it's tough based on those two dishes alone. Like, I feel like I put a lot into like that, the work that went into that dish. Um, and it wasn't like my, my steak wasn't gray. You know what I mean? Like it was still like edible, but, Yeah, I don't know. I think it still would have been close. 01:06:20 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:06:21 Speaker 8: But it definitely helped that he also overcooked his. 01:06:24 Speaker 2: So do they come marching out with a giant check? 01:06:29 Speaker 8: Not so. 01:06:30 Speaker 1: Those big ones where it takes two people to hold them up. 01:06:33 Speaker 8: So how it works is I found out I won. Confetti fell and everything. There were some people that were in the show that were competing that I was friends with at that point that came in the stands and watched because they hadn't flown out yet. They all came down, hugged me, congratulated me. 01:06:46 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:06:46 Speaker 8: Then they took some pictures in front of like they had this big sign with the money up because the money would go up based on like how the show worked and took some pictures of that. And then it was like, that was it. It was done. I walked outside. This lady came up to me, handed me a piece of paper. She's like, sign here for like agreeing to accept the money. Sign that. Did interviews until like midnight. And then I didn't get the check until like. 01:07:05 Speaker 1: Three weeks ago. They're going to tax that check so hard. 01:07:08 Speaker 8: Well, yeah, we'll see. I mean, they sent the whole amount. 01:07:10 Speaker 1: So. 01:07:11 Speaker 8: I'm sure there's going to be some withholdings I'll have to. 01:07:13 Speaker 2: It's just, yeah, like I was saying earlier, man, like someone writes, you know, like when people win lotteries, whatever. If also someone's like, hey, Bryce, here's $ 215, 000. They're going to be like, I'll take some of that. 01:07:27 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:07:28 Speaker 8: That's easy money right there. 01:07:30 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:07:31 Speaker 2: It just seems like maybe I'm wrong. It just seems like they're going to hit it with like the extra special tax. 01:07:35 Speaker 8: Well, I think like the Super Bowl players got taxed by playing the Super Bowl in L.A., buy LA's California's tax much harder than they would have somewhere else with their winnings. So I know California has a stipulate on winnings. 01:07:49 Speaker 1: It's still a nice chunk, man. What are you going to do? 01:07:51 Speaker 8: Yeah, so it was funny. 01:07:53 Speaker 1: What are you going to do with the money, I mean? Then I'm going to ask you, what are you going to do? 01:07:57 Speaker 4: He's got a finance degree. He's been listening. He's not going to make any money. 01:08:03 Speaker 8: I was working in the oil fields, that part of it. So yeah, I was doing the construction thing. after I sold the firewood business, got a private chef gig just by like happen chance. Then that's when I was like, this is what I want to do. Everything I want to do is like right here, pursued that, um, doing freelance stuff. And then, yeah, so I, I realized I wanted to go to pastry school last year. Um, I got back from my trip and I was like, I need to focus up here and make some money and kind of chase this dream. And so I was like, how am I going to do that? My brothers worked in the oil fields. They hooked me up with a job and I started doing that. Um, Pastry school to save up money for it. The show came in the midst of all this Oh, so then I went on the show I won I didn't get any of that money Like they told me they were gonna give me any of the money until the last episode came out which came out in like Middle of July and so pastry school was coming up in March and I was like I need to pay for. 01:08:51 Speaker 1: This They didn't give you your scratch until nothing. 01:08:53 Speaker 8: They gave me my... I got a $ 50 per diem per day for dinner. 01:08:56 Speaker 1: That's redundant. Yeah. 01:08:59 Speaker 4: They gave me that. 01:08:59 Speaker 8: It's per diem. 01:09:00 Speaker 1: It's per diem. I've had this argument. 01:09:01 Speaker 4: Yeah, it makes sense. 01:09:02 Speaker 3: Yeah, is that.... 01:09:04 Speaker 8: Anyways, they gave me that. So they sent me like 800 bucks, which was, I guess, nice for the time I was down there. 01:09:10 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:09:11 Speaker 8: But that was it. So I was like, I got to go back to work. 01:09:13 Speaker 1: And you had to sign all kinds of stuff to keep your mouth shut. 01:09:15 Speaker 8: So many NDAs. 01:09:16 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:09:16 Speaker 8: Like I came home, I was like. 01:09:17 Speaker 1: You can't be talking about it. 01:09:19 Speaker 8: I was hugging Terry Crews, and the next day, I was, like, on a flight back in Montana, like, oh, going back to work. 01:09:23 Speaker 1: In North Dakota, you know? 01:09:25 Speaker 8: Which was kind of nice, because I was away from all of it back there. But yeah, I worked another month, and then saved up the money so I could start pastry school. Then I left for France at the end of March, and then the show came out in June, and I got back home in July. So it was kind of great, like, being away from Bozeman and, like, small towns. Like, if I go to the Ridge, you know, someone's like, did you win? 01:09:45 Speaker 1: Did you win? 01:09:45 Speaker 8: And I can't say anything, so... It's just hard. So thank goodness I was gone. 01:09:49 Speaker 1: You'd be like, I didn't lose. 01:09:51 Speaker 8: I didn't lose, yeah. But what I would say, I was like, would I have gone back to work at the oil fields if I won? And then it shut everybody up, right? Like, oh yeah, you would never go back to work if you won that. But funny enough, I just didn't have any money. I didn't win the show yet. I didn't get the money yet. So yeah, then I did France for three months, came back, was still waiting on the check. 01:10:08 Speaker 1: And then, so I just- So three months of pastry school. 01:10:11 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. 01:10:12 Speaker 1: So it was in- I don't want to like pry, but like how expensive is three months of pastry school? 01:10:17 Speaker 8: It's not, it was actually, I spent a lot of time trying to find the cheapest one. 01:10:20 Speaker 1: Okay. 01:10:20 Speaker 8: I'm just cheap at heart. Like I'm from Churchill and everyone's like, oh, it's because you're like, you're from a Dutch community. 01:10:26 Speaker 1: That's why you're cheap. 01:10:26 Speaker 8: And I was like, oh man. 01:10:27 Speaker 2: That's why my old man, he wouldn't go to a Hollander's garage sale. 01:10:32 Speaker 1: My old man. 01:10:34 Speaker 6: Yeah. 01:10:34 Speaker 1: I knew I got you guys numbers. I was raised around this, man. 01:10:38 Speaker 6: Yeah. 01:10:38 Speaker 8: So- I took my time to find a cheap one and like all said and done with like housing three months and like school, I think it was like 10 or 11 grand. 01:10:47 Speaker 1: Okay. 01:10:47 Speaker 8: So it was, I thought it was pretty reasonable instead of like liquor. 01:10:50 Speaker 1: But you're just doing this as like career development and self-improvement. Like you're paying. 01:10:54 Speaker 4: Yeah. 01:10:54 Speaker 8: So like I, I wanted to be like, I'm a savory chef. I like cooking is what I like, but in my mind, I think like the best chefs are well-rounded and have, you know, a little bit of everything. 01:11:03 Speaker 1: And so I was like, so you're serious about this whole thing, man. 01:11:05 Speaker 8: Very, I would say. 01:11:06 Speaker 3: Yeah. 01:11:07 Speaker 8: Like now for sure. 01:11:08 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:11:08 Speaker 8: It's like, my life. But yeah, so I did that and I came back, was waiting for the show to end, kind of seeing whatever opportunities came out of that. And then randomly got like a DM to go to Alaska and go cook on a yacht because their chef had like flaked out and I'd never done anything like that. Like the most I've provisioned for was like four days and I was like, still could run back to Bozeman. And it was for like a couple guys at a ranch. So I got called out for that. And the day before I left, I got my check from the show. So I was like, Last month, I finally got the money. So it took a while. But nothing yet. I bought a laptop. That's probably.... 01:11:45 Speaker 1: You're hoarding that money. You're hoarding that money. 01:11:47 Speaker 8: That might be my biggest purchase. It's like someone was joking the other day, like, your laptop's worth more than your car. And I was like, that's how it should be. 01:11:54 Speaker 1: But dude, now you're going... So you're going to Spain now. 01:11:57 Speaker 4: Yeah. 01:11:57 Speaker 1: And you're going to work in a Michelin star restaurant. 01:12:00 Speaker 9: Yeah. 01:12:00 Speaker 1: So how long are you signed up for? Indefinite? No. 01:12:03 Speaker 8: So how it works... It's, I'm doing like a visa-free travel deal. And so I didn't get like a visa approved to like work there. But it's essentially, it's called a stage, which just means like intern in French. And like all chefs would know like a stage. It's like you go intern at a restaurant, maybe get paid. Like it's kind of a gray area and they're still working those things out. But like, I'm almost guaranteeing I don't get paid at all. But the point is you're under the best chefs in the world learning like the craziest kind of knowledge, technique you can take away from that. And then it's also a resume builder. Like if I put like, this is a three-star, if I survive, which I'm really hoping I do, like I can put like, I staged at a three-star Michelin restaurant and like adds weight to it. Doing private chef stuff, it's like, it's big for that because people are always curious, you know, like where are you, are you classically trained? Have you been here, you know? And so, yeah, while I was in Alaska cooking on the boat, I got that opportunity offered to me. And so I was kind of just figuring out like, am I going to do this finally? And it's like, this is what I want to do. And so, yeah, I leave on five days for that. 01:13:08 Speaker 3: Yeah. 01:13:09 Speaker 4: So what do you see like in five years? 01:13:13 Speaker 8: That's a tough question. 01:13:14 Speaker 4: I don't, what's it going to look like? 01:13:15 Speaker 8: I feel like I can't even do like anything past two months. 01:13:19 Speaker 1: It's too hot right now. It's too crazy. 01:13:20 Speaker 8: Too much going on every, I think I've been like just taking each opportunity as I can. Um, for me, the show was a huge booster, just like the money obviously. And then it gave me kind of the confidence and like, was like, solidified what i like what i think i already knew um but now it's like you know i spent a lot of time i was cutting fire i was in college like not pursuing food really like intensely and so it's just growth i think if i can just go and be a sponge everywhere and just take every opportunity to learn like even this alaska trip i had a half day in juno which like i don't know if you guys have been to juno but they don't have a whole foods or anything like that and so I had a half day to provision for two weeks worth of food for 11 people, three meals a day. And I've never done anything like that in my life, you know? And so I did that whole, um, experience cook for two weeks for these guests, you know, got a lot of fresh catch. It's cooking stuff. Like I've never even seen before or heard of before I made my own tasting menu. And like, it was like a taste of Alaska and it was like a six course deal for the guests. It was super fun. Cause it was just like all making up on the fly. And then after that experience, I'm like, I learned so much. I opened up kind of the yachting chef world to myself. And so I don't want to say like, I'm going to do this now for the next five years. And the five years I want to do this, or I'm going to start a restaurant. Because when you do those things, you're kind of shackled to it for the time. And so I feel like for me, I'm 24. If I could spend like the next five years taking opportunities like that and just learning and absorbing and growing as much as I can and then go from there. 01:14:50 Speaker 2: Thinking about that money, man, I know a dude in Southwest Minnesota that's. 01:14:54 Speaker 8: Made $ 600. 01:14:56 Speaker 4: 50 cents, right? 01:14:57 Speaker 8: I think I could swing 50 cents. 01:14:59 Speaker 1: Dude, congratulations. Thank you. It's great, man. Yeah, yeah. You got to be proud. It's such a cool accomplishment. 01:15:05 Speaker 8: It was cool, yeah. 01:15:06 Speaker 1: You got, like, obviously you got tons of ideas. 01:15:09 Speaker 3: Yeah. 01:15:09 Speaker 1: You got a pretty cool career laid out ahead of you. 01:15:11 Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah. 01:15:12 Speaker 1: The money's cool, but it's bigger than that. 01:15:14 Speaker 8: I think it always has been for me. I think, yeah, like, getting out of college, you know, I was just working whatever I could to travel. and eat and taste food. And everyone was kind of like, you know, buying houses and stuff like that and getting married. And I was like, am I doing the right thing here? And then when that show came around, I think every part of what I'd been doing kind of got brought there. 01:15:33 Speaker 1: Is your grandma still alive? She is, yeah. But she's proud. She was stoked. She's got to be excited. 01:15:37 Speaker 8: She loved that, the chili relleno. Pizza that I made. 01:15:40 Speaker 2: You better go cook her a nice meal You owe her a nice meal And. 01:15:46 Speaker 4: So if folks want to watch it now They gotta go to HBO. 01:15:49 Speaker 8: Yeah it's on HBO Max and Amazon Prime And then I don't know what Food Network's on Like I know they do reruns and stuff on TV And then I don't know if they're on like Fubo or any of those other apps or what not But yeah. 01:16:00 Speaker 2: Excellent man Alright Bryce Stubbs Churchill, Montana Big time food competition champion Private chef, Michelin star, protege. 01:16:13 Speaker 1: Congratulations. Thank you. Thanks, buddy. Appreciate it. You can go ahead and hang out if you want. We're going to talk about Lake Ontario. 01:16:24 Speaker 8: I want to know what's going on with that. Is that real? 01:16:27 Speaker 4: Define real. 01:16:28 Speaker 1: We're going to get into it. We're going to get into it. Yeah. Yeah. 01:16:34 Speaker 5: Like, you all know by now, except Bryce, apparently. 01:16:36 Speaker 1: Which says a lot about him. Yeah. It's a good thing. Doesn't spend his time on the dumb shit. 01:16:44 Speaker 5: In the midst of a tariff-induced trade war with the evil Empire of Canada, Trump says Lake Ontario is now Lake America. So I just want to hit a few points before we do a little roundtable discussion on it. Number one. Lake America implies that we have some kind of American ownership over that lake, but that's not the case, and Trump doesn't have the authority to rename an international body of water. He's got it all backwards when it comes to history and geography. Lake Ontario is not named after the Canadian province. It's, in fact, the opposite. The word Ontario has indigenous origins that go back hundreds of years. It was in use long before the United States existed, long before Canada as a country existed. Ontario didn't adopt, the province of Ontario didn't adopt that name until 1867. So there was obviously some reactions to all this. Google caved very quickly. I just read Apple caved. 01:17:53 Speaker 4: Can I just tell you right now, I put in Lake America and. 01:17:59 Speaker 4: On the map, Google Maps, it does say Lake America, but in the search bar, it says Lake Ontario and then in parentheses, America. 01:18:08 Speaker 5: Right. You want to know something funny? If you Google it in Canada, it's not Lake America. 01:18:13 Speaker 1: But I don't know that they can not... I don't know. That they can not do that? Yeah, but go on, doesn't matter. 01:18:21 Speaker 5: No, they caved, man. They're like, they're currying favor, I believe. 01:18:25 Speaker 1: Oh, for sure, yeah. There's a kissing of the ring, yeah. 01:18:28 Speaker 5: But getting back to the indigenous origins, so like there is a reaction from some Native American groups to this, obviously. The Wendat Nation, Grand Chief Pierre Picard expressed shock over the decisions. He stated it was an attempt to erase indigenous history and noted that the Wendat originally named the lake I'm going to say Ontario, it's like some version of that that I may not be, you know, might not pronounce the right way, but either way, Ontario means the lake is beautiful, the lake is big. 01:19:03 Speaker 1: With all due respect, I don't think it was an attempt to erase Indigenous history. I don't think that was considered. 01:19:08 Speaker 5: I get it, but this is the reaction from the people that came up with the name. 01:19:14 Speaker 1: Understood. That was not intentional. 01:19:18 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I get it. 01:19:20 Speaker 1: Go on. 01:19:21 Speaker 5: It's a reaction to something important to these people. Seneca Nation President J. Conrad Seneca issued a strong statement condemning the rename as unprecedented and a sign of blatant disrespect. And he noted it violates the historic 1794 treaty of, I'm not going to pronounce this right, Canandaigua, which I'm not sure. 01:19:44 Speaker 1: Exactly what that means. 01:19:46 Speaker 5: But again, it's an attempt to erase indigenous history. Moving on from those points, in the United States, there are at least 12 geographic locations and municipalities that are named Ontario, you know, towns or whatever. 01:20:04 Speaker 8: Hmm. 01:20:04 Speaker 5: Um, countless businesses and schools also use the name Ontario. Um, this is, this, I think is funny. Um, cause I'd forgot this from my childhood. The great lakes are typically remembered with the acronym homes, but now it would be shame. 01:20:25 Speaker 1: Superior here on America, Michigan. Yeah. Okay. Now I got it now. Shame. 01:20:34 Speaker 5: Um, And then we had maybe the most important point come in that someone pointed out. 01:20:41 Speaker 1: Yeah. This trumps all. Oh, yeah. this is the real mind bender. 01:20:47 Speaker 5: I doubt Trump's ever even heard this song. If he has, he wouldn't be able to tell you. 01:20:51 Speaker 2: I don't think, cause you know, like all the weird gold things hanging up in there in the office. 01:20:55 Speaker 1: It just does. I don't get a wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald vibe. 01:20:59 Speaker 2: No, I get more like, yeah, like George W. Bush had like a closet full of junk they took from Saddam Hussein. 01:21:08 Speaker 1: And that's like now decorating the office. 01:21:10 Speaker 8: Yeah. 01:21:10 Speaker 5: So what we're getting at is the song we talk about all the time, Gordon Lightfoot's The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald. There's a line in that song that goes, and farther below Lake Ontario, Nate, move your, I can't read it. And farther below Lake Ontario takes in what Lake Erie can send her. And Steve was very upset. 01:21:30 Speaker 1: Farther below Lake Ontario. 01:21:33 Speaker 5: Very upset because there's just, the rhyming just does not work for that. 01:21:36 Speaker 1: I called a prominent songwriter. I don't want to drag his name into this. 01:21:40 Speaker 2: I called a prominent songwriter and I said, dude, what happens now with the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald? 01:21:45 Speaker 1: He said, no, there's not a problem because they're both four syllables. 01:21:48 Speaker 2: And then he thought about it. He goes, oh, there is a problem. I said, can you fix it for me? Can you propose a fix? He puzzled over it for a day and then did a thing not many people do. He texted and said, I can't figure it out. I have to move on. 01:22:04 Speaker 1: To other things in my life. 01:22:07 Speaker 2: He gave up trying to fix the song. 01:22:10 Speaker 7: Mm-hmm. 01:22:13 Speaker 1: We brought it to Reed's Piano News. 01:22:15 Speaker 2: Yes. How do you fix the problem for Gordon Lightfoot? Reed, can you cue it up? 01:22:24 Speaker 9: Yeah. 01:22:25 Speaker 1: Here's the best he can do. 01:22:26 Speaker 5: Lake of Lake Ontario being renamed Lake America. Everybody's asking one question, and that's, how is this going to affect Gordon Lightfoot's seven-minute sea shanty, the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald, where he says Lake Ontario exactly once? 01:22:38 Speaker 3: And I think we've got options. 01:22:42 Speaker 4: Michigan steams like a young man's dream. The islands and the bays. 01:22:47 Speaker 3: Are for sportsmen. 01:22:49 Speaker 6: Lake America sits down farther below. We've got buckies and punt guns and freedom. 01:23:02 Speaker 2: Any songwriters that want to write in and take another stab at what in the world happens now to Gordon Lightfoot's masterpiece. 01:23:12 Speaker 5: Yeah, you can't mess with that. 01:23:14 Speaker 2: The wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald. Does he get a fine? I know he's dead, but say he wasn't. Does he get a fine every time he sings it? 01:23:20 Speaker 5: I think he'd punch Trump in the face. 01:23:22 Speaker 1: Well, he's a Canuck. 01:23:25 Speaker 5: I think he'd punch Trump in the face. 01:23:27 Speaker 1: Yeah, big news. Okay, Yanni. 01:23:32 Speaker 4: That's all you got to say about that, huh? 01:23:34 Speaker 2: Gee, what more is there to say? What do you do about the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald? Songwriters, please come together. 01:23:39 Speaker 1: I don't know. 01:23:40 Speaker 4: I wasn't talking about the song. 01:23:45 Speaker 1: No, I got no more to say on it. I'm still in shock. I'm still in shock. Hunters! It's a Great Lakes man. An ancestral Great Lakes man. 01:23:53 Speaker 4: Hunters carrying sidearms for bear protection in Colorado may find their caution well justified this season. 01:24:02 Speaker 1: Wow, that's a real statement right there. 01:24:04 Speaker 4: I came up with that. 01:24:05 Speaker 1: You wrote that? 01:24:06 Speaker 4: Yeah, I did. 01:24:06 Speaker 5: That's kind of sensational, isn't it? 01:24:09 Speaker 4: Exactly. I wanted my little segment here to start off with a bang. 01:24:14 Speaker 1: If it was sensational, he would never have used the word may. 01:24:18 Speaker 5: Well, that's true. 01:24:19 Speaker 1: It would have been Will. Will. 01:24:22 Speaker 4: Well, I was thinking about how does this actually relate to us? Because as you'll see, a lot of this stuff that's happening with these bears is not really out in the wild. And in the past, we've covered stories. It was so long ago that it must have just been on the regular Meteor podcast. But where people were shooting themselves in Colorado elk and deer camps with pistols. And I think you were like, why are they even carrying pistols? 01:24:51 Speaker 1: In Colorado. 01:24:51 Speaker 4: In Colorado. 01:24:52 Speaker 1: Because they don't have grizzly bears. 01:24:53 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just black bears. 01:24:54 Speaker 1: Well, one guy does. What was his name? Adam Greentree. 01:24:58 Speaker 5: Right. 01:24:58 Speaker 1: He has grizzlies in Colorado. 01:24:59 Speaker 5: Convinced they're all over the place. 01:25:01 Speaker 3: Oh. 01:25:02 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:25:03 Speaker 4: Yeah, I kind of remember that, too. Low mountain snowpack, active wildfires, severe drought, and localized late spring freeze events have heavily depleted natural food sources such as various fruits, nuts, plants, and grasses, forcing black bears to travel into residential areas in search of easy calories. 01:25:18 Speaker 6: Okay. 01:25:19 Speaker 4: So much so that this year, up until now, well, no, these numbers go until I found from January 1 to August 13. In 2025... There were 3,115 reports. In the same time period this year, 6,129. I'm going to put that to our finance friend. Yeah. What percentage has it grown? 01:25:47 Speaker 1: I'll tell you, Bright, twice as much. Is it because they've got twice as many. 01:25:51 Speaker 4: Bears now, a year later? I don't think so. But interestingly, I did look up population of white bears in Colorado, and it says 17,000 to 20,000, which I thought, that's a hell of a lot of bears. That's got to be like the most bears in any state besides Alaska. Turns out, no, Colorado is actually 10th on the list. Alaska is number one, then California, Maine, Idaho. All these states have 35,000 to 30,000, and then Oregon, Washington, Wisconsin is 24 to like 27,000. Yeah. 01:26:27 Speaker 5: I mean, that makes sense. Half the state of Colorado is not bear country. 01:26:31 Speaker 4: It's just like ag. 01:26:32 Speaker 1: That's a great point, man. You know, great point. Yeah. Yeah. 01:26:35 Speaker 4: But I bet you there's a lot of bears out in that ag country these days. I don't know more and more. I mean, just being back in the Midwest when I was there for a wedding this past weekend, like there's the same thing. conversations we're having here now and people in Colorado are having, it's happening in like Three Rivers, Michigan. They're like, oh yeah, there was a bear that came in to, you know, walk through the Walmart parking lot or something like that. Let's see, where was I? 01:27:05 Speaker 3: Yeah. 01:27:07 Speaker 4: It's about to hit like the main time of year when Colorado or any state has a lot of human and bear encounters. And that's because bears are going into hyperphagia. Phil? Remember this? 01:27:24 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, dude. This is the early days. 01:27:26 Speaker 4: We'll blast from the past for you. 01:27:36 Speaker 1: You guys know the word hyperphagic? 01:27:40 Speaker 7: Heard it. 01:27:42 Speaker 1: He's like eating a whole bunch. Yeah. So. 01:27:47 Speaker 2: Yeah, like they say that in the fall they go into a hyperphagic state, like. 01:27:52 Speaker 1: Just eating around the clock. 01:27:55 Speaker 2: Now thinking back on it, we have watched them where they're so focused on eating that then when they're in a spot that doesn't have food, they run. Like you watch them digging ground squirrels and they just run from burrow to burrow. Like when they get done with one burrow and catch the squirrel. 01:28:09 Speaker 9: Because there's nothing in between, so what's the point? 01:28:11 Speaker 2: Yeah, so maybe she just was up in that rocky junk. Because now that she's just down there pounding blueberries like nobody's business and has no idea about this gut pile. So it's like, she's just like, I'm not going to stand here with nothing to eat. 01:28:24 Speaker 1: I'm going to run. 01:28:26 Speaker 2: Which seems like its own sort of inefficiency, like you're consuming energy, but they must just have it. 01:28:31 Speaker 1: They worked out the math on it. 01:28:33 Speaker 4: That's good, Phil. 01:28:35 Speaker 1: Thank you, Phil. 01:28:36 Speaker 5: Oh, yeah. 01:28:37 Speaker 4: That's a good episode. What was that one called? 01:28:39 Speaker 2: You remember no it's fun that was a fun one hyperfaget you were there too oh yeah what were. 01:28:44 Speaker 4: You doing on that one You're just WPN? 01:28:46 Speaker 1: WPN. Nice. 01:28:48 Speaker 5: All in caribou meat around watching out for grizzly bears. 01:28:51 Speaker 2: Dirk climbed out of the tent one night to take a piss. It's never really dark out. It's kind of dusky. He climbs out to take a piss. There's a grizzly standing in the middle. 01:28:57 Speaker 1: Of the tent. 01:28:58 Speaker 5: It was her with her cup. It was the same man, yeah. 01:29:03 Speaker 4: Yeah, hyperphagia. So they're trying to eat a whole bunch. They got no berries, no grass, nothing in the woods. 01:29:09 Speaker 1: Because it's so dry. 01:29:10 Speaker 4: They're running from trash can to trash can. 01:29:12 Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. 01:29:15 Speaker 4: In like the last month or so, uh, there was a steamboat Springs residence attack where bear, uh, went through a sliding glass door and then struck a woman in the face, uh, in Aspen there in a park. 01:29:31 Speaker 1: Uh, he entered a sliding glass door or went through a sliding. 01:29:35 Speaker 4: Well, he opened the door actually. Um, yeah. Uh, uh, In a park in Aspen at 3 a.m. on August 19th, a bear bit a homeless man in the head. No. Yep, bear was euthanized for doing that one. Down in Crested Butte, a bear got into a house and then started a kitchen fire. 01:29:55 Speaker 5: There was one in Eaglevale where you and I used to I got attacked in a laundromat there, like something like that. 01:30:01 Speaker 1: That's the last thing on your mind at a laundromat, man. 01:30:04 Speaker 5: It had something to do with laundromat. 01:30:05 Speaker 2: I've been in a laundromat since graduate school, but when I was, I was not thinking about bear attacks. 01:30:12 Speaker 4: So they're around. I was hoping to talk to somebody. CPW didn't get back to me about this because my main question was like, why? It just seems like this happens from time to time. that the bears are just going to be hammering the trash cans more. But this year just seems like there's way more attacks actually on the humans. It's not just encounters. It's like, why are they biting, swiping, actually messing with the humans? So my main question, there is a new law in Colorado that just took effect. And they're basically, the law is making it so that Instead of getting a ticket for knowingly baiting a bear, which you can't do, now you can get a ticket for just basically knowingly leaving food out that you know a bear could come in contact with. 01:31:02 Speaker 1: Got it. 01:31:03 Speaker 4: So if you're part of the problem, they can hit you. They don't have to give you a first-time warning. And it looks like subsequent penalties can go from $ 2, 000 to $ 5, 000. So this could be. 01:31:14 Speaker 1: Like a bird feeder. 01:31:18 Speaker 5: Or is it just like garbage related? 01:31:20 Speaker 4: I mean, I think it's up to the wardens probably going to be issuing the ticket. 01:31:25 Speaker 1: Oh, if they got to talk to you three times, $ 2, 000 to $ 5, 000 fine. Yeah, which is good, I think. I got a neighbor who would be eligible for that. I mean, they get visited all the time. 01:31:36 Speaker 4: I don't know about how, where it was. 01:31:37 Speaker 9: Yeah. 01:31:38 Speaker 4: And I don't think that we have this in Bozeman, but I don't know how it was down in Eagleville where you were. But when we were up Valley, like we had to have those bear proof trash containers. 01:31:48 Speaker 5: Eagle was not, it didn't, I wouldn't be surprised if it does now. 01:31:53 Speaker 4: My brother's in Salida. None. Just regular old trash cans. He says every morning right now, when he takes the dog out for early morning walk, he just goes down the alley. Every single trash can is knocked over. 01:32:02 Speaker 1: Got it. 01:32:03 Speaker 4: I don't know why that isn't more of a thing. You don't have to, where. 01:32:06 Speaker 2: You are, you don't have to have lots of bins. In the winter, we put it out the night before. In the summer, you can't do that. You got to wait and then rush it out there right when you think the dude's coming, which means you'll miss the. 01:32:18 Speaker 1: Garbage all the damn time. 01:32:20 Speaker 2: I'm sitting on a two-week load right now for this very reason. 01:32:24 Speaker 8: That Highland Boulevard area over in Bozeman is where I lived in college, and we'd have a black bear go down the whole road every week and just take out each trash can. 01:32:34 Speaker 4: So I imagine that this is all sort of urban interface, but there's plenty of bears still left out and about in the woods that are going to be facing these same challenges. 01:32:45 Speaker 1: Sure. 01:32:46 Speaker 4: What do you think hunters are going to or should do? 01:32:48 Speaker 5: Season opened yesterday in Colorado. 01:32:51 Speaker 4: For bears. Uh-huh. 01:32:53 Speaker 7: Okay. 01:32:54 Speaker 4: So I guess there's that. There's like, what do you do if you're a bear hunter? And what if you do if you're an elk hunter trying to not have a mix up with a bear? 01:33:02 Speaker 5: Those bears still got to drink water. Like hunt, you know what I mean? 01:33:05 Speaker 7: Hunt water. 01:33:06 Speaker 5: You're going to find bears. 01:33:08 Speaker 1: I can't and never will. 01:33:10 Speaker 2: As long as I live, I don't care what happens, ever find it myself to take a black bear serious enough to carry black bear defense. 01:33:18 Speaker 1: Not going to do it. I don't care what happens. 01:33:21 Speaker 5: Oh, you said to stay bear safe. I thought you said how to get one. I'm not worried about staying safe in Colorado. 01:33:27 Speaker 4: Well, maybe not. So you're not, if you were to go hunt and you're going to have a tent camp, like a back, not a back country, just a wall tent camp in the, let's say the flat tops for a week. Would you do, you wouldn't do anything else that you already, that you don't do? 01:33:42 Speaker 5: I mean, I wouldn't leave food laying around, but no. 01:33:46 Speaker 3: No. 01:33:46 Speaker 5: Like, I don't think, I don't think these few attacks are like a sign that bears are going to be jumping dudes in the woods, like all over the place. 01:33:56 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll put my food somewhere in my sleeping bag. I cannot find it myself to get scared of a black bear. 01:34:02 Speaker 5: I mean, I've been backpack tent camping in Colorado and had them walking around my tent at night. It's like not. 01:34:09 Speaker 4: But this year is different. They don't have any. 01:34:11 Speaker 1: Food to eat. 01:34:11 Speaker 5: I still don't think they're going to start eating people. 01:34:14 Speaker 2: Brody was wondering if this means good or bad for bear hunters. Like, does it mean that the habits change? So it's like harder to anticipate them. Or does it mean that they're out just. 01:34:24 Speaker 4: More visible. 01:34:25 Speaker 1: Just roaming. 01:34:26 Speaker 4: Yeah. 01:34:27 Speaker 1: Roaming. Yeah. 01:34:28 Speaker 3: Yeah. 01:34:29 Speaker 4: You'd think they'd be more visible. That's what I would think. 01:34:31 Speaker 5: But the thing about Colorado too. 01:34:33 Speaker 1: Oh, check this out. The other day. 01:34:34 Speaker 2: The other day. I don't know why he's keeping quiet about it. He sends me a, he sends me a way off. Nate sends me a way off video. Um, where he's looking at the baldest 10,000 foot gravel ridgeline. And he's like, is that a Wolverine? He sends me a little clip. Cause like, what the hell is he running around up there? Well, he gets home and is able to look at it on something. And it's a little shit and black bear. 01:35:02 Speaker 1: Way up. Dude, there ain't even a bush in sight. I mean, not even a bush. He's up there eating rocks, dude. And he's just probably dying. 01:35:09 Speaker 5: I wonder if it was that, do they do the moth thing that the grizzlies do? 01:35:14 Speaker 1: He was traveling, but I don't know. He was hurt. I don't know. I'm putting a lot onto him. I don't know what he was doing. He was by himself. He was small. 01:35:21 Speaker 6: But that was like 10 minutes after an antelope rolled by at 10-5. I'd never seen an antelope up that high. 01:35:27 Speaker 1: It was crazy. Maybe he's hunting antelopes. 01:35:29 Speaker 5: But the thing I was getting at in Colorado is, I mean, you've seen it, especially down in Southern Colorado, is they've got all that oak brush. So like a berry failure isn't a total end of the world because they can go to those acorns, but the berry failure here, they don't got acorns to turn to. So I think they're going to be out running around a bunch and be good hunting. 01:35:51 Speaker 1: Okay. All right, everybody. 01:35:59 Speaker 2: Now, Earlier I talked about how if you're fixing to get a suppressor, don't want the government telling you what to do, now might be the time to strike. 01:36:10 Speaker 6: Why? 01:36:11 Speaker 2: How certain am I? Stay tuned for this interview, which is going to close the show out. We're not coming back to say goodbye. 01:36:20 Speaker 1: Stay tuned. You're going to learn a whole bunch. And thanks for joining the show. And thanks for coming on, man. 01:36:24 Speaker 8: Thanks for having me. 01:36:25 Speaker 1: Bryce Stubbs. 01:36:26 Speaker 4: Thanks, Bryce. See you next week. 01:36:27 Speaker 1: Thank you. Okay, we're moving over to a report about. 01:36:34 Speaker 2: The sort of never-ending regulatory shifts around suppressors, which some of you folks from old movies might know as silencers. But suppressors, things you put on the end of your gun, on the end of your muzzle of your rifle, so that you and your children don't have to damage your ears when you go shooting. It's a phenomenal, phenomenal invention. I think one should sit in every gun case out there. It's a shifting, like I said, rapidly shifting environment around these things. Hopefully in the long run, we're just headed to a place where you can just go into a sporting goods store or go online or whatever and just get yourself one. But you got to jump through certain hoops. The hoops have changed. I feel like it's good news, but I don't really know. 01:37:26 Speaker 1: It's confusing. Me and Nate Mason were just. 01:37:27 Speaker 2: Talking about that these regulatory changes around suppressors are confusing. But here to clear it all up is the man for the job, got a prize that knows more about this than anybody, Brandon Maddox, who's the founder and CEO of Silencer Central. So this guy has to pay attention to this stuff. I'm going to intro it like this, and he's going to explain what this means. 01:37:54 Speaker 1: He's here with us. 01:37:57 Speaker 2: This is in my notes. Here's what it says. A federal judge in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Texas ruled in Silencer Shop Foundation v. ATF that key National Firearms Act registration requirements for items like suppressors and short-barreled rifles are unconstitutional because Congress previously reduced The NFA transfer tax stamps to zero. 01:38:30 Speaker 1: To $ 0. 01:38:34 Speaker 2: If you took all 360, whatever the number is, million Americans out there, I think that 359,999,950. 01:38:50 Speaker 1: Don't know what that means. Brandon, can you explain what that means? 01:38:55 Speaker 9: Sure. 01:38:56 Speaker 4: Good question. 01:38:59 Speaker 10: So basically what happened is a big, beautiful bill got rid of the tax stamp. Tax stamp had been $ 200 since 1934. And when the tax stamp went away, some gun rights groups got together and said, let's sue the federal government and say that the registration of silencers is unlawful because there's no longer a tax. Congress had written underneath the tax code. And since it was underneath the tax code, the assumption being that there should be some tax revenue. And when it went to zero, there was. 01:39:28 Speaker 9: No tax revenue. 01:39:29 Speaker 2: So, so when you say the $ 200 thing is like, if you go, like, if I went to, if I went to you or, uh, I go to silencer central and I'm shopping, like part of the process is I need to pay. 01:39:42 Speaker 1: I previously had to pay this 200 bucks. 01:39:45 Speaker 9: Yeah, correct. 01:39:46 Speaker 10: From like 1934 up till December 31st of 2025. So essentially January 1st of 2026, there was no tax stamp. 01:39:57 Speaker 2: Um, what does this mean going forward? Like who, who all does it apply to? Is it just Texas now? Like, like who does this have implications for? 01:40:09 Speaker 9: Yeah, good question. 01:40:11 Speaker 10: So, you know, basically the, um, the judge and his ruling gave a list of, you know, basically the plaintiffs that had sued the government. And he said, any of those plaintiffs, and there's, you know, a long list of them, and then anyone that is current member or future member. So what we see is, you know, we basically joined one of the other organizations. One of them was like a Texas Rifle Association that was a subsidiary of the NRA. So, you know, we joined that and some of the others. So once you join it, then you as a dealer have the same benefits that basically the ruling created. Where it gets interesting is there's 15 states currently that have state laws that say you have to follow the federal registration process or your silencer is unlawful. So unfortunately, there's 15 states out there that until they correct that language, they're in a position where they still have to go through the old process. 01:41:10 Speaker 1: Are those states like lefty states or righty states generally? 01:41:14 Speaker 10: No, I mean, it's sort of a big combination of both. I mean, you know, Montana's on the list, believe it or not. 01:41:20 Speaker 1: Oh, okay. 01:41:21 Speaker 10: Yeah, Alaska is, Georgia, you know, some of these states that are on there, it basically, it was a way to create a state law that was relying on the federal law. It basically just said, you know, South Dakota had this law and San Francisco Central worked to fix it in 2026. We also helped fix Kansas. So there was two states previously, but In simplest terms, mostly what these states say is that, again, you got to go through the federal process, get your silence or registered through the NFA process for it to be legal in the state. Well, if the NFA process goes away, then it ends up being illegal to own it and possess it in the state. 01:41:55 Speaker 9: So the state's going to have to change their state laws. 01:41:58 Speaker 1: Oh, I got it. 01:41:59 Speaker 2: But I feel like without getting too speculative here, I feel like if the feds remove the process, and make it that you can't do the process. And a state says, you have to do the process to be legal. I feel like those state courts would pretty quickly get, that ruling would get struck down because you're asking people to do a thing that they can't do. 01:42:24 Speaker 9: Yeah, that's fair. 01:42:26 Speaker 10: I mean, that's a good point. Looking at some of these states that, Connecticut's one of them, Colorado's one, Georgia's kind of a purple state, Oregon, Washington state. 01:42:38 Speaker 9: So there's some states where it could be hard. 01:42:41 Speaker 4: Harder, harder. 01:42:42 Speaker 9: They might fight it. 01:42:43 Speaker 10: They might even create their own state laws that, you know, that's one concern too, is that, you know, we saw where Virginia. 01:42:52 Speaker 9: Tried to put a $ 500 tax. 01:42:54 Speaker 10: Earlier this year on silencers when they saw the $ 200 tax went away. 01:42:57 Speaker 1: Oh, you're kidding me. 01:42:59 Speaker 10: No, it didn't last too long, but it was, I mean, it made, it made Virginia our number one state behind Texas really quick just because everyone was worried about that. So If federal law goes away completely as far as the regulation of silencers through the NFA process, it could open the door for blue states to create their own rules. They could create their own tax stamp. They could create their own processes. They could outright outlaw them if they wanted, or they could leave some of these state laws on the books and then make it hard. 01:43:26 Speaker 9: But we see this process could stay in place for a while. 01:43:29 Speaker 2: When you look at these states like Virginia that tried to add this $ 500 bill, tax to a suppressor. What, and I'm asking you to put on a, I'm asking you to like put on a funny hat here. Cause I'm asking you like, what, what is the primary argument that they have? Like, what is the primary problem that they have with suppressors? 01:43:56 Speaker 9: Yeah, it's a fair question. 01:43:58 Speaker 10: I mean, obviously they see that the Republicans took away the $ 200 tax. So they see it as a way to generate revenue for some other, you. 01:44:04 Speaker 9: Know, pet project. No, it's a good point. I mean, if you really dig in. 01:44:09 Speaker 10: And look at the crimes that are committed with silencers, almost 100% of the time, if a crime is committed with a suppressor, they didn't go through the process. They made their own. They didn't go through any kind of background check. So it's not considered a public safety issue. Before Trump got in in 2017, ATF even said, hey, we'd be interested in looking at a way to deregulate these, which, you know, sort of fueled the idea that eventually they could become deregulated because even the ATF felt like they were overregulated, at least at that time. 01:44:43 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:44:44 Speaker 2: You know, I think I've made this point to you. I know I've made it on the show before, but I always think, like, imagine that for whatever reason, the laws of physics were such, or the early technologies were such, that guns just were about as loud as they are with a suppressor on them. It's magical thinking, but just imagine that a rifle naturally was about as loud as it is with a suppressor on it now. Would they have made laws saying you had to make your gun louder? 01:45:18 Speaker 9: Yeah, of course not, right? 01:45:20 Speaker 2: No, no, I'm just saying, it's like, where is this thinking that they just need to be a certain decibel level so that the people around them need to risk having hearing damage like is it like a way to get you is it like i know how to fix shooters i'll make it that they have hearing damage like i i just like i don't understand the motivation and a lot of the you talk about like blue states a lot of the blue states have a reputation of of sacrificing at times sacrificing personal liberty on the part of public safety saving you from yourself regulating what you buy like You know, you can't buy certain kinds of fishing sinkers because lead could be toxic. 01:46:03 Speaker 1: But we would like your guns to be really loud. 01:46:06 Speaker 9: Yeah, it makes no sense. 01:46:08 Speaker 10: Yeah, it's hard to, you know, I think about the same thing with like, you know, the modern sporting rifles that, you know, they don't necessarily have any data for those and. 01:46:18 Speaker 9: They still kind of go after those. 01:46:19 Speaker 10: I do find that some of these states are responding well when I'm doing like testimony at the state level that in Europe, these are completely unregulated. I mean, they have a serial number, but you can buy them over the counter in Europe. It's not considered a firearm. There's no background check. You just walk in and get one, even like in a hardware store or something. So for some reason, the politicians kind of respond to that. 01:46:39 Speaker 9: They're like, oh, really? Okay, well, maybe it's not as bad as I thought. 01:46:41 Speaker 10: But still, it's unfortunate that they don't see it as like you're saying, it's just basically hearing protection. 01:46:47 Speaker 2: The other story I tell all the time, The first time I ever shot a suppressed rifle was 15 years ago. Well, yeah, it was exactly, it was 15 years ago. The first time I shot a suppressed rifle, I was in Scotland. We were doing, we were culling red deer on an estate. We were shooting a suppressed rifle. 01:47:04 Speaker 1: I said, I. 01:47:06 Speaker 2: Was ignorant to the subject back then. I said, I can't believe you guys can hunt with these. He said, I can't believe you guys cannot hunt with these. And he was telling me, it's impossible for us. 01:47:19 Speaker 1: To get a gun. It's easy for us to get a suppressor. 01:47:22 Speaker 2: I'm like, well, we play the opposite game in America. 01:47:29 Speaker 7: True. 01:47:30 Speaker 2: It is like one of those things that's so, to me, the issue is so like, it's so glaringly obvious. 01:47:38 Speaker 1: That these are a. 01:47:41 Speaker 2: Safe, beneficial tool for people to increase safety, to protect kids. It's just a beneficial tool. It's so glaringly obvious. It's one of those ones where it's hard for me to get in the head of people that oppose them. Usually, I take some pride in being able to articulate opposing viewpoints of mine. I'm kind of stumped. I'm always kind of stumped with these guys. Back to the matter at hand here, though, the details at hand. 01:48:14 Speaker 1: Is it that. 01:48:17 Speaker 2: Like, right today, is it that in some states you can now I could now go to you and buy a suppressor and just buy it like I'm buying ammo and it just comes to me in the mail or is that not true right. 01:48:34 Speaker 10: Now yeah good question it's kind of based on state but like so Here in South Dakota, because we changed our law here in South Dakota earlier in the year, people can walk right into Silencer Central, purchase a silencer, but they still do the 4473, like the same background check you would do to. 01:48:51 Speaker 9: Buy a rifle or handgun. 01:48:52 Speaker 4: Sure, sure. 01:48:53 Speaker 9: They do that. 01:48:54 Speaker 10: We do a background check. If they have a concealed carry, we don't have to do a background check, and then they can leave with it. 01:48:59 Speaker 4: Okay. 01:48:59 Speaker 2: So then it's just like if you were a gun shop. For me to go to a physical Silencer Central– location yeah i i can get a suppressor in south dakota the same way i can go in and buy a shotgun. 01:49:15 Speaker 9: Yeah absolutely exactly okay but what. 01:49:17 Speaker 1: About what about online shopping. 01:49:19 Speaker 10: Yeah good question so um there's 37 states where if you have a concealed carry there's no background check so we can mail the silencer directly to you there you would just do the 4473 via like docusign and then also um you know, if you have a local dealer that's willing to do a transfer for you, we can sell a silencer to you, ship it to them, and then they can do a local transfer as well. 01:49:41 Speaker 2: If I, okay, tell me a state that has the state, tell me a state that has the state rule still in place. 01:49:48 Speaker 1: Montana. You said Montana. Okay. So this is getting a little nuanced here, a little detailed, but okay. I go to you. I'm a Montana resident. 01:49:58 Speaker 6: Yep. 01:49:59 Speaker 2: And I'm visiting in South Dakota. And I'm like, man, I'm going to go over to Silencer Central and check out everything. And I'm going to buy a suppressor. Is that cool or not cool? 01:50:11 Speaker 10: So the process would be what we kind of call the old process, the form four. So the same way that, you know, you've done it since 1934. 01:50:17 Speaker 9: Got it. 01:50:18 Speaker 1: You still have the hold. 01:50:19 Speaker 2: And it would eventually come to my, it would eventually ship to my local FFL. 01:50:25 Speaker 9: Well, no, it should be right to your house. 01:50:27 Speaker 1: You should be right in my house. 01:50:28 Speaker 6: Yeah. 01:50:28 Speaker 1: How long would I have to wait for that? 01:50:31 Speaker 9: Um, right now we see approvals like three or four days. 01:50:33 Speaker 4: Oh, okay. 01:50:35 Speaker 2: So way different than it was like two years ago for people. 01:50:37 Speaker 9: That used to be a long time. 01:50:38 Speaker 3: Yeah. 01:50:39 Speaker 9: So it's gotten better. 01:50:40 Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay. 01:50:41 Speaker 2: So the difference train, when I registered my first suppressor, I don't remember. It was quite a long time ago. It went and, uh, I gave a local, I did. I remember I was using Bob wards, local Bob wards. 01:50:54 Speaker 1: As an FFL. 01:50:56 Speaker 2: I think it sat there. You probably remember better than me. several years five years ago whatever the hell i think it sat there for 13 months oh wow yeah yeah forever so 200 bucks it sat there i mean for a year i think it was i hit like a terrible time in the backlog sat there for 200 bucks sat there forever finally i was able to go get it we're at least now at a point where even if i'm in one of these states you're talking about i can or i can do mail order like i could go to silencer central buy a suppressor And then, and then in, in several days it's going to ship to me and I'm, and I don't have the 200 bucks. 01:51:33 Speaker 4: Correct. 01:51:33 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. 01:51:34 Speaker 7: Yep. 01:51:34 Speaker 9: So the tax stamp went away and it's a whole lot quicker. 01:51:36 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:51:37 Speaker 9: Um, you know, if you go through a. 01:51:38 Speaker 10: Trust, it can take a little bit longer just cause they have to reread it, you know, make sure everything's good. But, um, yeah, if you do it as an individual, it's a little bit quicker, but yeah, I would say most people are getting them in a couple of weeks. 01:51:49 Speaker 1: What, what do you think is going to happen? 01:51:51 Speaker 2: Like, let's just run a scenario where, uh, let's run a scenario where a Democrat, a pro gun control Democrat comes in, in, in, in what the hell is it going to be? 2028, like a pro gun control Democrat comes in, in 2028. Is it like one of those things where you just sign a paper and this whole thing gets reversed? 01:52:15 Speaker 7: Yeah. 01:52:15 Speaker 9: Good question. 01:52:15 Speaker 1: Because it's not, because it's not like an act of Congress. 01:52:18 Speaker 9: Well, good question. 01:52:20 Speaker 10: So, I mean, that's my concern is that this is tied up in, um, You know, litigation, like you said, you get the worst case scenario would be Democrat and the White House and Democrats run the Senate and the House. So the big, beautiful bill went through just a simple majority vote through Congress. 01:52:41 Speaker 9: So basically, they could add anything they want to the tax stamp. I mean, the tax stamp before was 200 bucks. 01:52:48 Speaker 10: I mean, they could pick a number that's inflation adjusted and say it's $ 5, 000 for a tax stamp. And then it would go into effect, you know, whenever they pick and basically the whole market would collapse. 01:53:00 Speaker 1: So they could get punitive. Like they could get like vengeful if they wanted to. Oh yeah. 01:53:06 Speaker 9: A hundred percent. A hundred percent. 01:53:07 Speaker 1: It'd be easy too. 01:53:07 Speaker 9: Cause they'll have to have majority. 01:53:08 Speaker 2: So if they have, you know, I wouldn't be planting ideas in their head like you're doing right now. Yeah. 01:53:13 Speaker 10: No other people in the industry have told me about it, which got me scared. Cause it's sort of like, you know, it's sort of a whackable. As soon as you, you know, the best scenario would have been if Congress had done the hearing protection act, then it would have gotten rid of all these state issues. 01:53:25 Speaker 9: Cause it was written in there. 01:53:26 Speaker 10: To sort of trump the state issues, which would have been beneficial, but to kind of have it backdoor to the courts. I think no, you know, the other thing we didn't mention is that although the judge came up with this, he gave a seven day sort of stay or pause. He basically said, I'm going to give a seven day pause to give a chance for the federal government to respond. Um, And I tell you, everyone I talk to, I consider experts at this from a legal and also in the industry, 100% of them said there's zero chance the ATF. 01:53:53 Speaker 9: Doesn't appeal this. And they didn't. 01:53:55 Speaker 10: So by them not appealing it and not staying in, it just opened the door for that ruling became instant. So, I mean, there's a lot of things came out of the blue. Like, I don't know if anyone would have thought the tax stamp would go to zero. Then I don't think that anyone would have thought the lawsuit would actually win. I mean, you could argue that in Texas, North Texas, yeah, I could see a judge going that way. but then for the Trump administration and DOJ and ATF to not even respond and for it to open the door, um, just cause it creates so much chaos. Cause like I said, it's, you know, some people are protected, some aren't, some States have issues, some don't. 01:54:27 Speaker 9: I mean, it's a big quagmire. 01:54:28 Speaker 10: It creates a huge issue for everyone, a huge issue for ATF from a regulatory standpoint, huge issue for us dealers in the industry to try to figure out where the market's going. Um, yeah, it's created a mess. I, I, but yeah, thinking worst case scenario that could happen. Um, you know, I guess the ATF could just completely back away and not challenge it. But then another, um, you know, like I said, another administration could come in and change the tax stamp to, you know, whatever, $ 5, 000 each or whatever they want. 01:54:55 Speaker 9: And then that's the new norm and the whole market would collapse. 01:54:58 Speaker 1: Oh man. 01:54:58 Speaker 2: It seems like right now, if you're kicking around getting a suppressor, now's the time to strike, man. 01:55:02 Speaker 1: It's like, it could get better, but it could get worse. You know what I'm saying? 01:55:06 Speaker 5: Yeah, no, totally. 01:55:07 Speaker 9: Especially on the state issues. 01:55:08 Speaker 10: Those sort of states where, um, You know, it's illegal to state law because eventually the federal law goes away completely. Then they've got an issue that they may not be able to fix on the state level. 01:55:17 Speaker 1: Yeah. And if you get one now, I'm guessing it's like, you know, they're never going to do something where they come clawing it back. 01:55:22 Speaker 2: But, hey, whatever happened to the Hearing Protection Act? Because I would have pictured if you could get one, like if it had a chance, it would have been over the last two years. Where here you have, you know, Republican administration, Republicans have the House, Republicans have the Senate. If they couldn't get that son of a bitch passed now, why not? After the November elections, prospects for that are going to look a lot dimmer. Ever getting that across the finish line? 01:55:57 Speaker 9: It's unfortunate. 01:55:58 Speaker 10: I think just having to get the majority because they would have needed the two-thirds votes or whatever in Congress. They just didn't have enough votes. 01:56:06 Speaker 1: There's just. 01:56:08 Speaker 10: Republicans to have a majority in the um senate in the house but it's just not a big enough majority to really pass anything if you look most things aren't really passing yeah the only reason the budget passes because it just needs a simple majority. 01:56:19 Speaker 2: I understand i understand and also it's like it's there's a there's a probably a priority set right and it's just you know it probably feels like very fringe like yeah to people to people besides guys like. 01:56:30 Speaker 1: You and me it probably feels very fringe. 01:56:32 Speaker 9: Yeah true Yeah. 01:56:33 Speaker 1: Like what? 01:56:34 Speaker 10: It's an educational opportunity for us to educate, you know, elected officials. 01:56:38 Speaker 7: Yeah. 01:56:39 Speaker 2: Well, man, thanks for coming on and explaining that. I don't, you know, I, I hear what you're saying though. It's, I hear you on the, on the uncertainty. But I mean, do you, do you agree with the assessment? Like from a professional perspective, do you agree with the assessment that, I don't know, like, is your, is your advice to people, Hey, wait, because it could get better? Or is your advice to people like, I don't know, it could get worse quick? 01:57:06 Speaker 9: I don't see it getting any better. 01:57:08 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah. 01:57:09 Speaker 10: I mean, because right now there's a lot of states that, you know, you could potentially just do a 4473. Like I said, if you have a concealed carry in 37 states, we can mail a silencer right to your front door just doing. 01:57:20 Speaker 9: A 4473 through the mail. Yeah, I can't see it getting any better. 01:57:24 Speaker 10: I can only see it getting worse, especially in those states where they've got a state law, they've got to fix that. 01:57:31 Speaker 7: Yeah. 01:57:31 Speaker 10: And if this stays unresolved, which I think it potentially could through to a Democrat administration, then it's a problem. So when Obama first got in, he changed it where he wanted fingerprints and photos for everyone that was on a trust that bought a silencer. And in the past, that wasn't the case because it used to be considered a corporation and there was no fingerprints or photos for corporations. That drove the greatest demand that I'd ever seen, just that fear of loss. So that That is definitely something that people respond to and afraid that they couldn't get them in the future. 01:58:02 Speaker 2: So um these dudes watch these dudes watch too many movies where the bad guys got like a pistol that goes they're like oh that that's yeah you know the gun's like you know like yeah that's no good it's like dude it's just not like that you know it's crazy uh so my kids are uh 11 the change is so often i can't remember but like 11 13 16 11 13 16 My kids, yeah, every year. They've never shot a rifle that wasn't suppressed. I'm not joking. My older one has now, but my 11, my 13, they've never shot rifles that weren't suppressed. 01:58:42 Speaker 9: Perfect. 01:58:43 Speaker 1: They're not scared of them. They are not scared. 01:58:47 Speaker 2: All the flinching and crying and all that, they are not scared of rifles. 01:58:51 Speaker 1: They love it. That's awesome. 01:58:53 Speaker 4: Yeah. 01:58:53 Speaker 2: So I do feel like whatever happens, I feel like there's a shift, you know, There's a sort of shift that dope smokers will appreciate this when they start legalizing all that. 01:59:06 Speaker 1: There's a shift that's just going to be hard to put back. 01:59:10 Speaker 2: It's going to be hard to go down the road as my kids become voting age or whatever and other shooters. It's going to seem like lunacy to them. 01:59:20 Speaker 9: True. 01:59:21 Speaker 2: When someone says, oh, no, no, no, no, no. We want your gun to be real loud. It's going to seem crazy to them because they were raised on it. It wasn't like me where they're in their 40s or whatever when they discover this. It's just going to be very second nature to them. 01:59:34 Speaker 1: That that's what it is. That's how shooting is. That's how rifles are. 01:59:41 Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree. 01:59:42 Speaker 1: All right, man. Thanks for coming on and explaining that to us. 01:59:45 Speaker 9: Thanks for having me, sir. 01:59:46 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Take it easy. Absolutely. 01:59:49 Speaker 3: Yes, sir.

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