00:00:08 Speaker 1: This is me eater podcast coming at you shirtless, severely bug bitten in my case, underwear listening podcast. You can't predict anything presented by on X. Hunt creators are the most comprehensive digital mapping system for hunters. Download the Hunt app from the iTunes or Google play store. Nor where you stand with on X Spencer, What was the point? You're just making a lot of like books legally allow you to shoot a male turkey based on the appearance, with children's books like regulation books, yes, as we call him Spencer allow you to fill a male turkey tag based on the presence of a beard or spurs either or Yeah. So what I'm saying is, can you imagine like being out in the woods and have a turkey combined like no beard, no fan, not that that's like an indication, but not a legal one. But then because there are times with no spurs and the times and no beards. Yeah, so I I can't imagine a scenario where you'd be like shooting him off the spurs. There it is spurs legal bird. The reason I made you remake that point is we're just talking to this feller about hunting oscillated turkeys. So for you knuckle heads at home, all that there are. We've covered this a bi zillion times. The regular old American wild turkey. There's five sort of like you know, there's five what some people like to call subspecies of the regular old American wild turkey. Rattle him off, yohnnie. Uh. Starting down in the southwest the Wolds turkey. Moving over to the southeast and most of the eastern part of the country you have the Eastern but down in the southeast tip of or southern I guess end of Florida you have the Osceola and then in the central part and into the mountains we have the Rio Grand turkeys and the Merriam's turkeys. Man, it was a great, great job. I like that little thing where you uh skipped over a bunch of the country then doubled back. You went like west to east and then doubled back. Well, I started, but I went south and stayed in the south, oh yeah, and then came up the east the counter you're starting in the south south going counterclockwise. I like it. Uh. Anyways, there's a thing. There's another whole other species of turkey, which is kind of like a turkey and a peacock had sex the oscillated turkey, which lives in yucatan Um areas of Central America, Guatemala. I think they got him in U does Belize, Yeah, I think people hun him in Belize oscillated turkeys. Anyways, dude was telling me there's two ways. Like the oscillatord turkey lives out in the jungle, low jungle, not like high canopy monkey jungle, but low jungle. And a lot of times people go down and hunt him in the fields. They just like slash and burn egg. And people like the oscillated turkeys in the fields. The reason he was telling me they like the oscillated turkeys in the fields, it's because you can see their footwear because these things have some obscene spurs. Footwear meaning you want to see how a giant in their spurs. And if he's out in the field, you can actually judge them. You can judge trophy, judge them. Real limb hangers. Yeah, you can see if he's got limb hangers or not. Well, I think every single one of those buggers has limb hangers. Some of them just like wrap around the limb. Uh too, so far there could be more. So far who have the guess who've been on this show. Jim Halflfinger and Tommy Edson have overcome the dreaded COVID nineteen that got me thinking, have been afflicted and persevered. Tommy Edson said it was the second sick as he's ever been, so I promptly called him to ask him about what the first was. But uh, helfle Finger, he barely knew he was sick, but got sick, and that got be wondering, is it like is being on this show? And like so E should do some math. Is there a higher likelihood that higher than national higher? You know what I'm trying to say? Does it does being on the show? I mean that there's a higher likelihood that you get COVID nineteen you're in a high risk group, or or does it match the general the population in general? Like what percent of Americans? Do we have a representative sample? That's what I'm trying to get at. I Um, I want it, man, I just want to get it over with. Well, I mean you very well good already had it. That's what happened to him. He went down and took Jim Heffelfinger went Tommy edn't just got sick of ship, and he found out he had because he got the test. Heffelfinger was just curious if he'd had it, got the thing and realized he'd had it a long time ago. My wife got real mad when I said I'd volunteer to get it. Yeah. I got a friend. I don't want to say who, one of the individuals that I'm talking about right here. I was saying that in his view, if it wasn't for the risk of overwhelming the healthcare system, he says, I think we should all be licking door knobbs. But he says he's been very protective of his mother because she's older and he wants her to hold up. But he said she's got a bunch of coupons burning a hole in her pocket. He wants to get down to the start with your cupons before the EXPIRER. Oh my gosh. I want it, though I mean I don't want. I'm not trying to be more, but I just want to Like, no, I want to get it and no. I was speaking with a friend of mine, Yes your day, and um coworker of his, uh has the antibody has had it? Has been uh in you know in quarantine with her family, young children, and nobody else in her family got it. I bet they got it, but it didn't show the same thing with Tommy, Like no, but they didn't show antibodies or oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah, and she just floats around in the air for like nine months. Man, I think it gets Obviously we wouldn't quite have this thing nailed down. You know what, if you're gonna end up being one of those guys that we heard about in Turkey Camp last week that it in the dirt, well, not only that, but it's six three months later, he's still you know, suffering and lungs aren't feeling too good. That's a that's a risk. I'm just saying, Okay, I'm gonna trying. I want to like put some brackets around what I'm saying. I don't want to then become I don't want to then infect people who don't want to be infected all this. If I could, if I could go to my fist, here's the thing. If I could go to my fish shack with a little vial of spit from Tommy Edson spit and from then right, I'd go to my fish shack by myself, drink Tommy Edson spit and then wait till I have whatever, wait for two weeks and go home. I would do it just just to know. I even have like in my notes, I have a thing like when I envisioned me and like it. You know, that's saving Private Ryan where they're real bad crowd. They're getting at um. They're like in that knife fight and he's like, I stab it near throat and then the knife turns. He's like, I'm gonna stamb it near throat and he gets the knife turns like I gonna starthroat, right, and they go back and forth like that. I imagine me and it in a battle like that, and I like to think eventually I would turn it into his throat. I have to know I have. It's like I gotta know, man. Yeah, I'm I'm sure like everybody, I had this real weird sickness when I went down to California. It was just not feeling right, um for the you know, three days I was down there. You're saying everybody in December, right, and yeah, so I'm on like the part of me that's like, boy, i feel like I've already got it because that was just a weird thing that I don't feel like that too early, not for cases in California. You know, I heard a rumor. It just a rumors, so I don't want to say too much, but I heard a rumor that you and I were at a place at a gathering. Yeah, that bad back in mid February, and there have been cases traced to the gathering that you and I were at. I bet, I bet a large gathering. Every wildlife related gathering in the in the US all happens February in March. Yeah, And every every state agency person that I've been speaking with in the last couple of months, which is a lot, they're always like, oh, yeah, this conference that we had six biologists at that all flew back home, had X amount of confirmed cases. So yeah, I'm ready to move on. I'm ready to move on in more ways than one. I'm ready to move on, and let's talk about a new thing. I'm but I want to finish it with I hope that you don't get it, because I don't think you're fully thinking it through. I know you want to have that that knife battle with COVID nineteen, but I hope you don't get it and you had to live one mean what it would be like. I hope you don't get it, but I don't want to get it. I'm perfectly fine. I want to get it if I knew that it wasn't gonna be that bad kind of like I want to get scratched. I want to get mildly scratch that other bracket your time, grizzly. Ah. There's a new trend, a new shooting sports trend. If you if you want to see on top about going and I'm on Instagram, go on Instagram at Steven Ronnella, ste v and Ronella um and you'll see a video I just put up of Uh. People have always gone out onto public land or you know, areas, and through garbage everywhere and dumped appliances and computer monitors and what have you and beer cans and shot them all to hell. It's always happened. It's always been horrible, but it's always happened. There's a new thing of that. You go out to public land and do all the normal stuff. You still dump all your garbage, you still dump all your beer cans, you shoot them all the hell. You don't pick them up. You strew paper everywhere. Don't pick any of that up shell casings everywhere, don't pick that up light, junk on fire all that. But the new thing is there's an added thing of shooting trees over. Have you seen this? I saw it on your video that you post and we how many places have we seen shot trees shot over this spring? No, two regions, multiple locations, Oh sure, multiple locations within those spots in those zones. I probably in the one location, I probably saw a half dozen places. No, I think, honestly, I think it was more than a half dozen places where people had more than a half dozen clusters of trees where people had engaged in trees shooting over. And I gather it's just like every time you go out, every time you get a couple of dollars saved up, you buy enough Ammo to go and whittle away at the tree some more. Well, yeah, it saves you money on not having to buy the targets or beer having beer. Can No, I think that it's not because they're putting targets on the trees. It looked like they are deliberately do. What I'm saying is if you don't have a target, you just use the tree. At and shoot trees over, but you'd have to be buying some serious bulk ammo oh. It's a long term project engaged by groups of people, is shooting trees over. It is the ugliest, ugliest thing. It gives such a black like this garbage dumping public land. Now I'm not opposed I shoot him, but every time we go to shoot, we shoot on public land. Typically clean your junk up. Man. I told you that it's like humiliating. It's humiliating to be to see it and have to be like, that's a version of me. That's like a dude. It likes to shoot. He likes to hunt, maybe, but he also likes to just ship up the woods. The Spencer took us out to a chunk of state ground not too far from here. I've been out there a couple of times to shoot, and there's typically always somebody shooting out there. But I always, you know, build my uh cardboard box target uh and go through all the hassle of wandering over there and picking it back up. Well, now the box is absolutely necessary because I have to go pick up everybody else's crap. You come home with your box, well, everybody else's junk yeah, I mean it's it was shocking. And the thing is, just like you were saying before I cut you off, is I'm just a person shooting, as is everybody else who's driving on that road, and it's right next to the road. I'm indistinguishable from the next person. And if they ever stopped, they're gonna be like, Holy ship, these people are pigs, you know what I mean. It's just it's bad. It's so bad. The reason you gotta be extra careful with your garbage when you go shooting is because I imagine. Okay, let's say you you found the last ten people who totally shifted up one of these tree shooting over areas, and you you uh, surveyed them somehow or interviewed them. I bet you if they had gone to a pristine place that wasn't shifted up, they wouldn't have shifted it up. They wouldn't have shouted up. There's certainly less less likely too. But the minute someone goes and leaves all their trash and their casings laying everywhere and tries to shoot a tree down, the next mug that goes there, it's like, oh, I guess this is just one of those spots and what's the difference. Now there's there's no other way. Like the video I put on Instagram doesn't even begin. That went on for hundreds of yards. Yeah, that's it. That's an exaggeration. That went on for two hundred yards, a lot of lead land in the ground. I didn't have enough film to film it all. Maybe we should uh inquire and see if there's maybe some like old dumps that you know, many portions of dumps aren't being used anymore for you know, regular dumping, and then we could steer these people to go to the dump. You go to the dump to shoot, well, you go to a gravel pit. It's kind of hard to mess up a gravel pit. Like a gravel it's already messed up. I like what you're saying, though, yeah on us, because then you'd be like, if you can't bear to part with your trash without shooting, here's a lane for you at the county dump. At the count pull in the way your truck. They're like, if you're shooting, go shoot over there where they could charge you for a busted TV, like they make a little extra money, and be like her, you want a TV, take this one dollars. You can go to the dump and buy garbage from the dump to shoot up, pick up glad, whatever you want, and they every week that his bulldoze it back into a dumpster and everybody gets to shoot garbage, and they can put old dead trees up and people can shoot him over. I think that we you know what I want to do. There's a local little river access site that I wanted to do a clean up on. I would rather because I feel more like um complicit as a as a person that goes and shoots, that uses public lands to shoot. I don't want shooting on public lands to become illegal. That would be a real pain in the ass. I think that we should start a thing and now and then go to an area that's been totally shifted up. I got so many ideas of where to do this go to and also some of its wire houser land. We just found some wire houser land that have been like basically just like like completely desecrated by recreational shooters. And it's a lot easier for a place like wire Houser to be like you know what, man, We're done no more. For those not aware, wire Houser is one of the largest landowners in the US, and they're pretty good about access. It's a private entity, it's a um timber company, and yeah, historically very good about access. If I was the CEO of wire Housing and I had to be driving down the road around talking about I'd be like, you know what, I don't care, man, that's it. Yeah, that's it. Very good about access, to the point that a lot of people who recreate on wire houser land just think that it's us for a service land. Yeah, some guys we were just recently walking down a road on wire houser land. It's a sign very clearly expressing all more no motorized anything. So it's like they gotta sign ups like it's got a quad runner with a slash through it, it's got a truck with a slash through it. It's got a motorcycle with a slash through it. It's got a snow will be able to slash through it. A couple of days after you were there, I parked in front of that gate. It's like like it had recently rained. I didn't see any fresh tracks cutting and there oh no, and the greater had gone down the main road and I didn't see any tracks, and it was pretty early in the morning. I didn't see any tracks cutting the edge of the greater you know, and uh something, just like, oh, I just parking front of the gate, and I'll keep If anybody's thinking about driving up there, they all they can't go, and I'll be up there by myself. Well, sure enough, I'm up there. I've been hiking already for probably close to two hours, and here comes a little side by side really yeah, so they're cool. They drove me down and moved the truck, and they drove me back up so I could continue hunting. But they worked for a wire houser, just breaking the law, just like what you're described. Well, this gate that had been left open, but there was no mistaking what was supposed to happen here. We hiked up it and I come to an old four service truck. I was like, that's weird, like old, like a you know, eighties four service truck. And I thought like, I don't know, maybe they have maybe wire house I don't know. Maybe they bought bolt four service trucks and their guys use them. I don't know. So eventually here comes a couple of guys ripping down the road on motorbikes, and then I realized that they drove their motorbikes in in the truck. So they load their motorbikes up and then I'm walking all the hell way back down the road and they pull up and asked I want to ride, and I said, you guys work here, and he looks at me like, what in the world are you talking about? And I said, because you're not. I'm not gonna get in because you're not supposed to drive here. Like they're super like wire houses are super clear about that. And it looked at me like I was like a Martian, look like, who is this wire houser? The gates open? Bro, didn't you see? Yeah, it just kills me. Anyways, I think it's a good project and this would be something you should spearhead cal We should um develop a thing we're now, and then we take a day off of work. I'm tracking so far, go on, take it off work and go to places where people have shot the hell out of the area and clean up everything the trees that have been shot over, cut them down off at the ground, cut the rest of it up into stove wood, and uh, totally spit shine that place. Then we can have a little leave behind sign or something that says this place spit shined, keep it spit shined. Yeah, I like I would love to do. We talked about this on the last podcast, so right talked about cleaning up. Actually we have been to Missoula and seeing that. Well, do we talk about shooting trees over? Yeah? We did, because yeah, a little bit, that's all right, that's a message worth pounding twice. No, I'm gonna make it just interesting up there because it's obvious been going on long enough and then seeing enough of it that there already was a forest service sign that said no shooting of trees. As if you like an actual sign like a commission, have a effing sign to know you're not supposed to shoot trees. They shoot him over at about chest height chess net hite because they're standing. And every young man when he gets his first axe and he's kind of cut loose, what do you go do? Chopped trees down? Right? And then you get reprimanded for chopping green trees down? Most people, I think that's around when you're seven or eight years old exactly. I don't think seven and eight year olds are driving up. No, that's the point I'm getting to, buddy, they missed that lesson. We we had a game as kids. Remember there's there used to be a show. None of you guys remember this. There's a show called Name that Tune. I remember how it went. But somehow, like there was like a thing where you go, like the whole st names Bill or whatever. You'd be like, Bill, I can name that tune in five notes, and then they must like play I don't know what it is. They play five notes, and you'd say what it is? I wish I could remember the details better. Anyways, we had a version we'd call chop that tree, and you would, uh, you would have an axe or what have you, and you look out the sassafrast tree or something. You'd say, Matt, I think I can chop that tree in five swings. And then you see if you could do it, And we do it sort of to the rhythm and cadence of name that tune shooting over a tree. Like never never ever crossed my mind. And I was talking to cal in December and I asked him I could borrow his steel chainsaw to harvest a Christmas tree, and he said well, well, you don't want to use your twelve game you don't have a gun. Yeah. We used to do Christmas tree hunting every year and uh we would take my ten gage shotgun and uh, select a nice Christmas tree. What that diameter would the trunk be? When when you're gonna you know, just like Charlie Brown cherees, you know, what's the best load shot size for that project? Whatever you got, but like three yeah, no more than that? Yeah right, A lot of times you could get it in one shot. Yeah yeah, what range? Oh? Real close? Like ten feet and under. You know, when we did our Christmas special, we had a lot of emails, like I think there's three from people whose tradition is to shoot trees down to bring them home. That's different because at least you shoot it down for a purpose. It's different than shooting down eighteen inch diameter ponder roses. And how cleaning a cup would that be when you were done? Cal Oh, I mean there's a little trim work involved, and it looked like someone shotow of the shotgun. Oh yeah, absolutely. I had, you know, one of those real tight strangler choke tubes on the ten gauge, and yeah, that I mean it, it'll it'll drop a tree. Oh, Brodie, work, You're supposed to be calculating out what gauge of four ten is? Well, we talked about I never did the can let's figure it out. We're gonna get to uh tree shooting down. Talked about that. You know it's al asshole trees down. Talk about um oh okay, next thing I want to jump into, Spencer, can you review for us what happened when you called the man the morrel man? Yes, and least be buying it. The last podcast, we talked about Ronaldo or the San Francisco State University student that figured out how to grow Morale's but then was murdered under mysterious circumstances or not or not right he cracked the code of Morales, was murdered before his patent was granted. Yeah, My theory was that it was a hit job by Little Caesar's right, right, because he had a lucrative contract with Dominoes. So it was Jimmy John's or Dave Thomas or somebody you know, it was after him. Nobody had been able to crack soon now my little Caesar's. No, I don't want to be like Alex Jones, I'll be getting sued by people for so for forty years, no one has cracked this code on how to grow morale's like Ronald Oer did O R R O E R I think oh R excuse me O W E R O A Ronald Oer. Uh. But recently some articles out of Iowa and some some news stations have covered this. Uh. Some newspapers have covered this. A mushroom farmer there claims to have figured out how to grow morale mushrooms. And this spring he harvested about a hundred pounds, he said, And this is after a decade's worth of efforts. And so I was going to try to track him down and talk to him about what his process is. If he's scared for his life, those sorts of things they track him down. Uh. And your your question, Steve, you said, when you talk to him asking this, why are they so hard to grow? So I asked him that, Um, he didn't have a great answer. So then I went to the internet. The Internet doesn't have a great answer either. But basically what he said and what the rest of the Internet agrees with, is that it just takes very, very very specific conditions it takes the perfect soil moisture, the perfect humidity, the perfect like air temperature, all those things to make this happen. It's and then say we're growing carrots. Look well, So then like the specifics of this are amplified when you have to also have a tree involved. So then you're like, you're like working with two things. You're trying to make things perfect for the mushroom as well as uh, you know because of symbio work with this ya symbiotic relationship that it has with the tree. So those two things just kind of compound the difficulties of growing him around mushroom. I'll buy that part about the tree part for sure. Yeah. So I asked me, I said, what is your process? Like, can we scare ahead as he's scared for his life? He's not. He was aware, he's aware of Ronald oer Um. He has looked at the patent. Nothing in his process is inspired by the patent um. So there's no relationship here between Ronald Ower's like growing strategy and his. Yeah, but the man, I mean the powerful pizza lobby or the underground underworld, I mean they might still get him. This is also something ask and I said, their business interests at this point, he said, yes, but nothing that he is acting on at this point. His name is Josh Osborne. Oh you're allowed to say his name. I mean that newspapers covered it is Blues Blues best mushrooms out of Iowa. Um, he said. His process is actually not um like that unique to growing mushrooms. It's very similar to what you do with other mushrooms that you cultivate. Starts with spores in a peetree dish. From there, yeah, once he once. He in this lab environment, the spores and the petrie dish, the my celium starts to grow. The my celium is what the little white fibers that live in tree. Yeah, so I under like if you imagine, uh, this isn't a great just a little bit helpful. Imagine that you have an apple tree. The my celium is the apple tree living underground, and then the morales are the apples which has happened to form at the earth surface. That's a great analogy. You like that? Yeah, Yeah, that's that's very helpful when you're thinking about often get criticized. It's from my analogies and I like that one. So my wife doesn't well, this one's appropriate, doesn't like spores in a petrie dish, which then turned into mycelium. The mycelium is transferred to a eight by eight inch plastic bag. From there, once the mycelium has grown a bit more, I got distracted thinking about Uh, analogies have annoyed my wife. Can you back up one step? So it starts with the morale mushroom spores in a petree dish. Those spores turn into my celium. He then takes and transfers the mycelium from the petrie dish to a plastic bag. So you now have the mycelium in a plastic bag. Once it develops a bit more in this plastic bag, he then takes it out to his field where he's going to grow these morales. And there are three things that he's done in three things that have success. You can dump the contents of the bag onto the ground. You could dig a hole and dump the contents of the bag into that hole. Or you could dig a hole and put the entire bag in the ground. He said, all three have worked for him. Well, how do they get into the bag? Well, I assume the bag is open or ventilated or something. You know, the cat out of the bag. He does this process in the fall, and there's got to be some stuff that he's not telling you, certainly, And why would he like It's like, I'm a soaking it beer. He's got like a little go for something that I'm a stranger calling him to ask him for his greatest alconic spot in the world. That's so, how exactly are you? Yep? Yep? So that's the process. Yeah, what is he doing about? What is he doing about the symbiosis that needs to occur between this mysterious mushroom and the trees that it likes to grow near. No tree necessary for his process, that's what he's saying. Maybe the tree, it's like the petrick maybe helps, it's the petri dish. Yeah, So he does this in the fall, and he said, it's not so much about the process leading up to it. For him, it's that he has cracked the cold for the perfect timing to do this and having the perfect amount of shade, the proper amount of blocking the wind um, the proper temperature to maintain how much sun is on it during the day, all those things he's saying that is where others are failing he's figured it out. Man, we had some big old fat easier and I did Ni. Those are tasty wild ones. You like to put a lot of butter in that pan. Oh yeah, man, like to use but I like butter. I like so much butter in there. When you cook a Morrell, it's like a butter sponge. I like to put enough butter in there that the Morrell can't get it all that the Morrel's thirst for butter is quenched and there's still butter left. We could used more butter on those balls. We ate like alright now. Josh had said in a newspaper interview that he'd like to harvest a thousand pounds next spring. He thinks that's doable. And I asked him how confident he is? What kind of acre to re talk about? Well, uh, currently he's doing a half acre plot. Um. When I asked him about like how practical, Like how likely do you think that's gonna happen, this thousand pound goal that you have, he said it's all dependent on the amount of time that he has and the amount of funding that he has, because he said it's very expensive to do this on like a half acre plot. And girl hundred pounds. Um, now you gotta take that times ten, And he said he's not sure like that. Those are limiting factors at this point, his time and his money to pull this off. Is he a mycologist? Um, I I don't. He's a mushroom farmer. And oh okay, so so so that he's got just a general background in mushroom farment, right, Yeah, I guess I call it that earlier. Yeah, So I don't know. Um, you know, we'll see what happens next spring with this. If he has a thousand pounds, I'm a believer, But at this point I'm still skeptical that he has solved it, because it would be like if if Brody went out to some pond and dumped in like a bag of small bass finger ling, and then came back in a year and caught some adult bass and you said, I grew bass. That's right, It's not necessarily that simple, and like I have created life, yes, yep, and uh we just sae. An article on the meat eator dot com the ten biggest morale mushrooms ever found, and a majority of that list comes from this stretch from like Iowa to Illinois, Indiana enormous like the size of Yanni's court jar here and bigger, really big for scale. They always have you know, the back of mushrooms demystified, or is the front of mushrooms? Des is the back of front of mushrooms demystified? You want to talk about morrel? Yeah, I can't remember. Yeah, yeah, they probably a pounder more. Some of some of these were wearing a pound inches tall with a diameter of equal that. So did you guys see that big fatty I found with Maggie last spring? One giant morrel, I mean like a giant Look at a piece of firewood landing there. So my my point with that is that like Iowa is an amazing place to go find morales and find big morales. Same thing with the bast analogy. If you dumps I'm uh, you know, like in southern California and then caught a bass, you wouldn't be like, well, I grew bass. So we'll see. Suspenseful, man, I love what I'm gonna say. The jury is still out. Suspenseful. I'm dying. No, um, I'm dying for that guy to go. Spencer. I can grow a Morrell out of that beard. You got growing there, I hope so where you'll believe me now, I want to do early plug I'm so I'm so proud of the book we're working on that I want to start plugging it now, even though it's months and months away. Really turned it in yet still finishing it up. I think, I predict. I hate to say this kind of stuff. I think that I think that it will do well. Oh, I think a lot of people will be interested in what we've got. We've already gotten several emails that you could basically use as blurbs and advertisements for it. They haven't seen it, but they have people that have like helped you guys on parts of the book and being able to read through those parts, and they are professionals in that arena of you know, we can talk about what the books about, right, yeah, of the emergency, you know, or just a h easy meat eater's guide to wilderness skills and survival. Let's taken, don't use it. It is long. When we did the Guy books all those years ago, and we're working on those Guy books long time. But we did the Guy Books all years ago. We got done and it was seven hundred pages long, and I went down to my publisher and we had a meeting, and she's like, you know, um, short of like the Bible. Uh, if we don't, there aren't seven hundred page long books and and uh. She was like, either gotta get rid of half of it or it's two. And I was like, Hey, we'll just make two books. And that's what the guide books became. Yeah, I don't know what. I don't even couldn't even estimate what our page count would be. I asked Havannah to take a stab at it. She thinks that's she thinks that we're probably gonna be coming in and around hundred and fifty thousand words, so twice as long, for instance, as American Buffalo. Okay, because I came in about seventy words. A big tomb? Is that how you say it? Tom Toms? Where you putting dead books? Well, I feel like I'm ready for a ton It's fitting for either verty of this book. Right now, we're in the navigation. Yeah chapter. I just wrote a Pulitzer Prize winning section. I don't mind saying this myself. I just wrote a Pulitzer prize winning section on walking on the ice. Read Nice Frozen Lakes rivers ponds read nice, Nice that they could sections of books for pullet surprises, because I feel like I'd go up against you with the river thing. The river just yeah, being on rivers, being on the ice man reading it, the noises, it makes what those noises mean. Watching out for beaver runs freak out. Yeah, watching out for beaver runs. But you can fall. I found the most times I've fallen through the ice has been related to falling into beaver runs. People don't see that. You go get a hundred books about this subject, and you won't find any of them talking about beaver runs. Spencer. You know what I really love about Brody and Steve is how humble they are. Well, No, because Spencer has taken a few licks in this book. Yeah, he like the only person that contribute the stove talking about Yeah, you got like a quote or two in there. Spencer's been Spencer's contributions to the book have been um. Spencer's been doing like his infamous bullshit alerts. But Spencer like takes down um like it's very instructive, informative. It's just like it's just mounds, mountains and mountains and mountains of information. So it's chapters are like um, things that bite, sting, mall and kill man. You're giving everything away anyways, Spencer, Uh, you think my land too much out and I think you gotta have some some thirst for what's coming, just like a trailer for a movie. They don't give everything away. How many words did you say, Savannah said it is, I said last night, Well, um uh, she said something like one fifty k metric tons. I googled how many words per page in a book, and this says per one hundred pages, you're looking at about twenty words, So then you're looking at like a six Well, I'm just like giving you a rough, rough estimate of what Google says. You typed in the truth about book length. Yes, yep, I did the same, a little bit of research for a deal for the Weekend Review because when I had fifty episodes and there's uh, you know, how they put books together these days has changed quite a bit, and what type of font and what's acceptable, and there's there's a lot of changes in there. Um. I think good lead ins for the chapters, though, it would be are you sure you want to get into this? Because people are gon be overwhelmed with the amount of knowledge per chapter. But it's what But in the book, we take the opposite of the bear Girls approach. Bear Girls. This thing is like watch out, don't want to be caught outside. If you get caught outside, hustle home, right, and to to make a show about how quick you can hustle home for being outside. This is more like, um about embracing it right. And it's not like that. It's oh, it's so fearful. It's like, hey, here's some things. But Spencer, his contribution has been, Um, are you really supposed to snuck suck out sneak venom? Um? Is bear girls always drinking piss? Is that helpful? Uh? Are you supposed to uh pull the bullet out of your body? After he gets a bullet in him? People are gonna look all this stuff up now. Good thing, there's more pages to read. Brody. I didn't know you're gonna be so cagey man. You think i'd like to keep a wrap on things. Well, you know what when we do uhum, when it comes out, I'm just we're gonna do like a walk through. This is I'm actually turning it like I'm actually turning. It's getting close up now, I'm actually developing a little sense of enthusiasm and pride project can see the light at the end of the tunnel. Yeah, you've been on a real emotional roller coaster in regards to this project. I hate, I hate doing stuff. Plus pictures in this book, right, illustrations, illustrations, very good illustrations. Is that Pete doing the illustration, same illustrator we worked with in the past. Yeah, I want a million dollars from Savannah. When she asked me if I would possibly have his contact information, possibly like the contract and the amount of with stating the amount of money that we paid him per illustration from the last projects, and uh boy, just had it all tucked away in a file, you know, under guide books. Yeah, old, I'll see if she'll pay up. That's great his contribution finding that helping us find the illustrator's email address. I do. I do think that is a much healthier approach. Though. It's kind of like, listen, if at some point in your outdoor career you don't find yourself in this position, you've probably not been doing things right, so embrace it. Yeah. Yeah, like, I'll tell you about me chapters. But I don't want Brody to get uh nervous. Well, we do mention four tens as a survival gun. You want to take a stab at what gauge you think before? Oh yeah, just so people understand, Brody, that was quality and bring it back in the pivot. Yeah, get a little if they gave out peel surprises for pivots. Yeah, I'm always this year's prize for pivots, Brody Anderson. Go ahead, Steve, take a crack at what gauge four? Well, first I want to give a couple of points here um one time? Uh well for so a gauge when someone says a twelve gage shotgun, that means is it would take twelve lead spheres of that diameter to make a pound. So twenty gage shotgun is it would take twenty lead spheres of that size to make a pound. And then you got you know, in the old days, you had eight gauges that you're in around anymore? There any around. I don't even know I ever even laid eyes on an eight gauge the biggest Boer shotgun. It's even like kind of common. Is a ten gauge, twelve gauge very common? And you have sixteens twenties, and then some guys these eight Ronnie Bain's got a twenty eight, I believe, And then you get down to um. Then there's one that breaks the system, and the four ten is a point four one oh So the four ten uses the same system as rifle calibers. So like a you know, if you have a thirty thirty, let's say, let's say a three h wind Mega three hund wind megas point three oh eight of an inch. All your thirty calibers are point three oh eight. They just shortened it up by saying thirty, but point three eight four ten is a has a you know, diameter of point four one oh of an inch. Years ago, I got a death threat from an animal rights person and they have threatened to come get me with a fifty gage shotgun. And I realized that that was about I think it was about the size of a BB gun. So I didn't I slept well at night. No one that even though I might be shot, it would be by a very very very small shotgun. So a four ten is take a stab. What do you think four ten is a thirty five gauge? It's really how'd you figure it out? Looking it up the truth about four tens. You're not going to be sleeping tonight in case that person is still lurking out there with that fifty gauge. Oh yeah, it'd be worse than that. I'd be like, whatever, it'll be worse than my kids. Well, the FBI checked this dude out anyway. Anyway, a dude FBI agent did it on speck. He just saw I put a post about it on social media and he um uh and he um. Later got to hold me and said, I wouldn't worry too much about that guy. He's kind of randuring, a raverer. I don't wide variety of subjects ranging, he told me, ranging from like the Palestinian conflict on down. But apparently the thirties the gauge system at six, So at some point they must have been making the thirty six gate shotguns. That's yeah, a little teeny one and what's the four ten again? Sixty seven accord, there's no way on earth according to a pile of sixty seven lead balls that size to make, according to American Rifleman dot org, which they say, that's what they say. It's not like Bob's gun blogged com. All right, who am I Well, if that get t slugs sometime and way him out, Yeah, well it lad spears? Well punkin balls? Do they still make those? Do you know the guy that shot the guy that shot Billy Billy the kid? Um? No, not the guy who shot Pat Garrett in California? No, I'm wrong, guy not Billy, the guy who shot the guy who shot Jesse James. I believe that. So Robert Ford shot Jesse James, but then later a guy shot Robert Ford. I believe the guy that shot Robert Ford he had a like he had a coach gun. I think it was like a remember, I think it was a ten gage coach gun. He apparently nearly cut him in half because he took a bunch of pipe and a chisel and made a bunch of of fragments, steel fragments, No, a lead pipe, a bunch of lead fragments, and took a funnel and filled the barrels up with pipe fragments and then give them both barrels. That'll do that, I guess. Yeah, I think that this is true. My understanding is that this is true. I also just recently read I'm reading this really interesting book called The Um. It's from the sixties, The Frontiersman of the Yellowstone it's like a history of Yellowstone. Basin talks about two mountain men to beaver trappers that got in a dispute and they got real mad at each oldren kind of toward their friendship apart, and later their friends had to sort of encouraged them to patch it up, and they had a kind of tradition where when two people made amends, they would shoot a glass of whiskey off of each other's heads to sort of prove that to to prove that the bad tidings were over. One of them puts the glass of whiskey on his head and he tells everyone, I don't trust him. I think he's gonna shoot me, and shoots him. And then the guy at lo and Behold shoots him between the eyes and kills him. Stone dead says, whoops, I made a mistake. Didn't mean to nothing happens to him. Later, he gets a drink and and opens up to the idea that maybe it wasn't a mistake, at which point the dead man's friend pulls out a pistol and blows a hole through the guy's heart and kills him. What was the original disagreement. I don't think it gets into what the disagreement was. Another thing I didn't know until I read this book. You know, Hugh Glass at the Revenance base, and you know Hugh Glass died he you know, I think this was this somewhere along the yellow Stone like so like between like here in Miles City. Hugh Glass, after all this ship he went through it gets malled by the bear. Jim Bridger leaves behind. He finds Bridger and a guy named Fitzpatrick and confronts them because they left him for dead. Um. They're like like Hugh glaskets malled by a grizzly bear, and the rest of their crew of trappers splits and they leave Jim Bridger, who's like nineteen, and this Fitzpatrick dude. They leave them and say, don't leave until he dies. When he dies, you can bury him. But they get sick of waiting and they just leave, take all of his ship and leave, and then he survives and crawls back. Years later he gets he's with a couple of other trappers and they get into a skirmish. Maybe I think it was with the black Feet. They get into a skirmish with the black Feet, and they get hold up in a spot and they can't shoot their way out of the spot. And eventually the black Feet light a grass fire and they know they're just gonna get burned alive, and they dropped a spark into a powder keg and blew themselves up. That's how he died. And you know, me think we got it bad. Bro wor who documented this to to like report back on That's how they went. That's why I'm afraid that it's not true, because I'm telling you things that were written in the book in the sixties. It's a it's a footnote. It's like a I'm telling you, this is the stuff that I'm reading in a book from the sixties. When I finished the book, I'll take the parts that I'm wondering, like why in the hell have I not read that other places and go find out if since the sixties we've found that these are just tall tales. And much of the hug Glass story, like is that, um, I think that he was a pirate more cast ashore in the Gulf of Mexico. Well, just like more reputable UH historians will say that there's a lot of sensational details from Hugh Glasses story. That's what I'm afraid of, and that's why I'm trying to like asterisk this information for people so they understand that I'm in the middle of a book. I'm reading things that I hadn't encountered elsewhere, and I'm suspicious that these are tall tales that later historians have said, like, that's not true, Brodie, Do you mind it's normally honest's job type in how did Hugh Glass Die? And also type in four Union shooting whiskey glasses off each other's heads the truth about UM, and I didn't even have to finish in it. UM. Moving on, Brody had a note that he wanted to discuss something Um called the futility of yelling at kids to be quiet all day in camp. Oh my god, you're doing your research right now, Brodie. Well, I'll pick up on say that thought, because I'm gonna pick up on the thing I want to talk about is I took my kid out. My kids turned ten and became a became of the age that he could be legally My older boy became the age that he could be legally apprenticed. So I had to go and fill out a form online to be come an apprentice. No, a mentor. I had to fill out a form online to become a mentor hunter. There's no what does that mean in the eyes of the state. So in this state, when you're twelve, you can get hunting licenses and you can hunt. You gotta go to hunter safety. You can hunt when you're ten. You can hunt with a mentor. The mentor has to be your legal guardian or a blood relative right or it doesn't need, or someone of or a licensed hunter of legal standing whom the guardian has given authority to to take hunting. So if you just ran, you ran, you know, encountered some little kid, and you said, hey, you wanna go hunt, you couldn't take hi hunting. You have to come get me to sign a form saying that I am bestowing upon you authority to take my ten year old hunting. Any person can hunt two years as an an apprentice hunter, and then they got to do hunter safety. But the way they got set up was like at ten years of age, you can become an apprentice hunter and then so he can hunt this year and it's like you were within army they spelled out. But it's like basically within arm's reach of your mentor. Didn't Maggie and Tracy start out that way? They had they went they did hunter safety though, so, um, I wouldn't let someone really get away with that, Like, I'm not gonna let you know. I might even have him take hunter safety next summer. But either way, I became a mentor. I became a mentor, and he became an apprentice, and it's like five bucks, so that you could for five bucks he becomes in a apprentice hunter. And then unlike fishing, like you know in the last dates, you don't need a fishing license till you're what fifteen sixteen years old, they got to buy the full on license, and they can't hunt stuff that has any kind of limited draw. They can't hunt bears, basically hunt like deer and small game as an as an apprenticed hunter. So he turned ten just in time for the last weekend of turkey season. We went out, had a good time. He got up at four in the morning, three mornings in a row, which is cool. Um, we knocked around and had a very close encounter with a turkey that was I mean, you're gonna think I'm exaggerating the Turkey was for me to fill the engineer. But the catch is that this entire table was an impenetrable juniper bush that if you look really carefully, you could see movement through the bush, but you couldn't make hide in your hair of it. And I had my kids sitting right between my legs because I wanted to be able to look down at what he's looking at in him, trying to see he's like leaning around, and things got a little squirrely, and our line of site wasn't the same where I could see a Turkey's fan as he moved away from the juniper bush. I can see this a little farther way now, but I can see a turn he's fan playing his day, and I'm like, hey, if you see him, if you see you know, eventually Turkey waters off. He doesn't get a shot, and he just looks like he's very unhappy. My kid is very unhappy, very down on himself. And he said, uh, he I'm courting him. He said, I feel like such a loser. And I got to ask him, like, what happened? Why do you feel like a loser? And he said, I thought I didn't recognize I now know that I saw the head, but I he wasn't expecting this thing that's changing colors from blue to red. And he said he saw it and thought it was a flower. Hey, he did the right thing. He wasn't sure he saw it through the tail fan and he said. It wasn't until after the turkey left and I looked at our decoy and then I realized that was the head. Man. I feel his pain. That's good that he was able to look at the decoy and then recognize that that that clicked together, he said, he said, I thought He said, I thought it was a flower with a thick stem. Oh wow. And then it occurred to him that he was looking through the fan very close a little. But in any case, it was lucky we heard any turkeys with the amount of noise and camp. Yeah, I got Brody gout the camp. I got to the camp. I started yelling at all the kids to be quiet. Brody's like, I already gave up on that. Yeah, but we got into him anyway. How far were you? It was like eight fifty yards at one I could hear him screaming and yelling. And I got out on X and I had the camp marks and I knew where I was, and I did the line distance function that was eight hundred thirty three yards a loud, and my kid kept saying, my boy, my little boys, like I could hear Rosie and Matt, but you can't hear Rosie and Matt. You know why, don't Like, by god, you can hear ros three yards away. Maybe that puts those turkeys at ease. Well, two years in a row, including this year, they shot gobbled turkeys by playing. But I don't think it's I don't think it's like beneficial. I think you created ever increasingly wide area of animals animalss area around you. Um, we were definitely thinking about relocate. We've been kind of pushing camp in closer and closer to the turkeys over the last five years, and I think next year we're gonna be marching back retreating because because my girls have gotten louder. I think that early on they were they would yell in whatever, but they were smaller, the didn't have lungs, they didn't have lungs, And now it's the same thing. I mean, I remember being like basically in the next valley and being like there's no way, but then sure enough, like one still night. I'm sitting there and I got the dog with me, and he keeps running like fifty yards and then sitting there and looking in that direction, and finally I'm like, oh yeah, he can hear everybody back there camp. I mean we were like a thirty minute walk. You know, when we're out filming, we try to and we got lacked. We get we lapsed. Then we come back to it. But we have this thing that this ideal that we have and we try to a little bit stick with it is what we call the Mkuschi Code of silence because the mkushi um an indigenous group in South America, they don't yell. They don't yell. If someone's down at the boat down at the river and you're like at camp and you're like, oh man, he should grab hope he grabs the big pot, right, I would be like, hey, grab the big pot. What the big pot? Right? And that's just how you go about your business. They would um walk down until their faces were twelve inches apart, and you would say, grab the big They never make noise. They don't yell, they don't make noise. Maybe a tree was falling on the divide out, but they don't make noise for what reason? Because they're hunters. They don't make noise. It's just quiet, just ingrained into the way they speak. They speak to people only that are right there. They don't communicate to people that are far away. When I want my kids to come down to eat, I don't move five or six, five or six times if you need to, I don't move anywhere I can walk over there. I'm just gonna scream nine times with increasing intensity. So yeah, they were allowed. Another observation was just brody, was one? Tell mebut you know how you mere a minute? Man? Oh god dah man. Frustrating, isn't it like? It never seems like And maybe this is like people that just aren't dialed into a certain system, or they don't feel the urgency that we feel. But man, people take a long time to get ready. Adults, don't your kids? Yeah, even adults, And yeah, kids, I like, I'll I'll stick Hayden in the sleeping bag, in his sleeping glows, shake him and say let's go. And he's pretty good about getting up early. That was your trick. Yeah, get him, just slam him sleep in their clothes so you get him already. I was wondering how he's ready so fast. Oh yeah, just yank him. He's all like, just drag him out of the area. But yeah, adults just like don't. But you're talking about getting ready for to go hunting, yeah, or really whatever, but sure, yeah, it's like getting light. You should have been sitting under the tree half an hour ago and you haven't even left camp yet or whatever. Yeah. There was one afternoon when when um me and my wife are gonna go out and listen for gobbles, and uh, Brody's wife offered to let us leave our young uns there, and so I was like very like like I'm a minute man, I was like very ready to go. I'm like ready for the American Revolution one by air, one by land two. If I see who's that guy, Paul Revere? You know what? Historians later tried to say that Paul Revere wasn't real. I can't remember who the politician was, but he said I love Paul Revere, whether he wrote or not. Ah. Anyhow, I would not then look at my wife because I was like why, like what what what is like? Why why haven't we left? Why is it now so much longer later and we haven't left? And I would like try to look at her in like distinct moments, and in every distinct moment it did, in fact seem like something was happening, Like she wasn't sitting there. I'd be like, like, what is she doing? And I try to like look at her and like, oh, she is looking for one of the kids shoes. You know. Then I would like then twenty minutes to go by, and I'd look at her and be like, oh she is. But so all the parts make sense, but the some of them doesn't make sense that how am I ready for an hour? Yep? And you get like a group of people who don't feel that urgency, and it just makes it even worse because they look around and she knows that I'm irritated cause I'm just generally irritated about wanting to go, and she's like, I don't care if he's irritated. And since the other people that are doing something, they don't, they're also wandering around, so it must be okay to keep wandering around. And then you wait an hour and she'll find me right and she'll be like, we should get the kids lunch. Yeah, I was gonna say. The other perspectives could be that, like, damn, Stephen Brody would be nice. They just helped me find this other shoe and then we could get them out of here and knocked out, you know, and then we can all get out of here. Instead, those two are just standing over there with their hands in their pockets, going hurrying down. I know, no we for the first time, I think it's an age thing. Is I crossed some threshold now where I'm like, I don't even care about food, coffee, anything. I will just sleep. And I started doing the pants things harder woodpecker lips. I'll just sleep in the pants, put my boots on. I usually always take my socks off. I don't sleep good if I had my socks on my sleeping bag. But that way, I'm just like, I wake up, I'm still blurry eyed. I'm just like Genever you kind of ready. She's like, oh yeah, and we just no coffee, no food, nothing, put the turkey vest on and just start walking down the road and you'll wake up. But you know, your body starts moving. You wake up and you're fine, and you just you start to realize that you don't really need to hang out at camp and it's not You're gonna enjoy that cup of coffee. It's gonna burn your burn, your lips and your tongue is you're trying to pound boiling bean wash. Yeah, you could just put like um yeah, yeah, but a bar in my pocket, Put some bars night before, put some bars in your turkey vest, put an energy drink in your turkey vest. Go to sleep in your turkey clothes and just leave. Yeah. And later in the season, man, holy sh it, it gets late early. Yeah, right now, brutal. Yeah. One guy last week and can't kill the bird at like five oh five, kill seven something like that. I killed my last weekend. I got a tax. Some brody. I was laying in bed petting my dog, and we get up. I get up as soon as I can see the glow in the window. Man, I get up, and I was laying there. I just it was just literally enough. I left the dog and on the bed and I got a tax. Some brody was like, what the hell? Early? Yeah. I almost thought you shot it out of the tree. No, it was fifteen minutes after he flew down. Turkey hunting, you can't really do it. But a system that I like during big game season is to roll out get hiking, get out to where I'm gonna glass, and then boil up a cup coffee and have my my scene all set up and ms on plas and I'm got my butt pad out. I've probably already pooped at this point. I'm drinking a cup of coffee and I'm just just peel on that place apart and it and the sun's coming up. You can take pictures of at sunrise that you'll never ever see again, but you gotta do because it's so pretty. It's a great situation, stress free. Man. We've done a few little mountain tricks like that, like another mountain trick that we kind of we try. We do a bit more filming. Two is too. When it's when the times like this, we just we did this. Yeah. Uh, when it's like you gott get up so damn early. You gotta got three thirty four in the morning. You'll be up at first light and then it doesn't get dark. You know you're you're you're still hunting at ninety. Um is to bring your gear, to bring a stove and some freeze dry and just eat it five. I just told us off in the backpack, so eat at five glass or whatever. Through the hunt through the prime time evening and then come home and you already eight. Yes, they just slide in your bed instead of like getting in at nine thirty weighing out whether or not you want to eat or not, in order to then get up at four in the morning. It's a lot nicer us to get it taken care of. I agreed. And another thing is sometimes we've gotten up in the morning, just brought our sleeping bags and get up to a glass and spot, and then get back in your sleeping bag and make some coffee up in your glass and spot. That's big game, Yanni. Can you share with everybody what had with your your little truck thing? This is an interesting story. Oh yeah, well with my brother in law's struck, I think it's uh, I hate bad talk the old Toyota tundra, but it's a Toyota tundra. And um. Of course, when we talked to the mechanic, he's like, I swear to you, this is the first alternator I've ever changed on one of these tundras. Anyways, Yeah, they had gone him and his son had gone up to charge some devices and get some service, and they kind of left camp and drove up the hill. Maybe not far. I don't know, it's like a quarter mile, like charging sternal batteries and whatnot. Yeah, external batteries, telephones, kindles, whatever else. And uh, they're sitting there and you know, prior to that, we had seen a minor bit of smoke um coming out of the engine, like on the trip in, and he had said he's seen it the day before. But to me, I saw it was so little and I smelled it. There wasn't really like a bad smell, and I'm like, you got some mud kicked up in there. It got hot and it smoked, you know. Yeah, we're on in eastern Montana. Anyways, they're sitting up there, charging away, and he just happens to be looking down at the dash as all of the gauges flipped from you know, one end to the other end, back and forth twice, and then I think the engines running and basically the truck shutters and everything just windows are wide open and there's nothing nothing. He can't do anything. I think he could turn the key, but there was no lights. This absolutely couldn't change gears in. It couldn't. Yeah, yeah, I guess you have to have power to shift. But um, I learned a lot. I learned that in at least in that um those years of Toyota tundras, there's a little square box probably not even an inch by inch um right next to the gear shifter, and you can it's basically like a little lid and you pop that out and that's what's in there, and you can take a pen and push it down and then that allows you to change gears boxes. Yeah, it's not a bot, I mean, like I said, but you can put no I've seen those. I've never pride one open. Yeah, that's what's in there. So at least when when we figured that out, we knew we could at least I could pull him down the mountain because we're probably I don't know, five seven miles, had no idea. That's what's the netla on an unimproved dirt road. So at least I could pull them out and then a mechanic could or a toe truck can meet us. Um So, but when we realized so I'm trying to think, I don't know. We were getting a lot of advice from a lot of people and a different advice on on what to do, but finally own guy says, you know, what you need to do is bypass the alternator. If you it sounds like you blew the alternator. If you unhooked the alternator, charge up your battery. Your battery should have enough juice in it to let you run the vehicle for ten to twenty minutes until it dies again. And then you just pop the trunk, you know, and recharge your battery and keep driving until you get to where you need to get going. And sure enough that worked. So what did you do to bridge the gap once you pull the alternator out? We just unhooked the alternator. That was it. You don't need to liken, No, we just really, you know, tape the ends of those uh wires so that you wouldn't ground out on anything, you know, if it touched. But that was it. Um and uh yeah, so we were able to drive out and then uh we had we had a mechanic meet us. The mechanic drove two hours to get there and then installed the new alternator in a belt and a couple other things. Ate himself a crisp Oh yeah, he had a good payday. He had a good but I think it was cheaper than having it Toad are we allowed to say? Yeah? Yeah, but I think getting told short here because what do you know what I mean, it's like you don't have a whole lot of options. But I mean, look, if you're a chief skate, you could probably limp your way home. And the method I just described by by charge eight lottery driving thirty minutes down the highway, pull when it, when it shuts down, pull over, recharge the battery. It's safe to do that. Yeah, right, that system though, I mean you had to have been feeling good for driving your truck out of that hole. Oh yeah. We had some Yeah, we had some major wins. And at the same time we managed to kill a couple of turkeys. So yeah. We had an Australian once blow a hole through the floorboards of a pickup truck with a shotgun and severed the fuel line and we had to tow it twenty miles out of a Donna riverbed. And that was a Bounty riverbed. It was a real bouncing I wasn't there, but I remember that the episode. It was in Australia. No, it was Australian abroad. He was in New Zealand, New Zealand. But they're not allowed to play with guns that much in Australia, so he's real curious about a shotgun. He's trying to figure out how it worked. He's wishing he had your protection and to touch one off in a inside of a vehicle. Oh horrible. Oh yeah, but Brody made a note that I didn't check back in with you guys after, so we were starting to make plans on how we're gonna get everybody out of there, because we had two full calling in the cavalry, but they're not calling off the cavalry. Yeah. Well, the that place, I think you guys had it similarly after I talked to your wife. But it'd be like one minute you can like just make all the phone calls you want to be working tax and then for the next twelve hours it's like there's nothing only that. But when people would call you, it actually you got a new phone number or something, so it could be like the knock can't It wouldn't just be like busy or not answer. It would be that it's like it tells you like, hey man, you know number can't be completed as dialed, right, And so it made like I was trying to call my brother at one point I thought something. I was like, oh something, what happened. We had a big debate, so I I tried, I didn't try. I actually you can look at my text history and see that didn't go through. It was more about the debate that we had whether we should just go home or wait to hear from what we made. Me and Brodie didn't want to be um. Me and Brodie were trying to wash our hands in the matter. So I eventually said to Brodie's wife, I was like, so you're saying that we should take off, and then Stee's wife backed her up, because if this blows up, just blows up in our faces. I don't want to be I thought we should take off. I wanted to be there. I wanted to stay. And Carry's like, sure, okay, I'm saying let's go, just like I'll live with it whatever it is. Body. Yeah, and then you so, Yahni, you're now depressed. Yeah, it happens every year. I feel like last year I got I got just enough turkey hunting in and um it went all the way to the end of May, and afterwards, I just you know, happily put everything up, put all those breasts into my freezer and and uh just went about, you know, looking towards fishing or whatever. And uh but uh, and I shouldn't complain too much because I still killed five birds and I got you know, some hunting days in. But I just had you know, great big plans and old COVID nineteen shot holes in my like you were supposed to be able to hunt Turkey's will primo, that's right. Who else? I don't know. We were supposed to go to Michigan and maybe Wisconsin. I still have half of mind. It probably pissed some people off, but you got. My wife's out next week, so I have the kids anyways, and I'm like, man, Wisconsin seasons open through Tuesday, so if I leave tomorrow, they're doing an extension. No, it's yeah. So if I left tomorrow, i'd have three days. Oh I love and you can kill what one a day there? You can kill as many as you have tags for. But I don't know. That's there's a lot of other things that need my attention to. But man, had I not just solidified some fishing plans, i'd be fueling that fire. Oh yeah, nice, because then we could just we wouldn't have to stop because it's just a long enough drive where I'll probably have to take a nap somewhere and there. Hey, have we have we have we covered? Have we talked about the male the rough grouse finding? No? Definitely, I think that I have made a scientific discovery. Well as well Yan has made a scientific Discoverybody told me about it. Well, I to forget who someone's tent was right next to my tent, seth. I think both of us got that discovered that I did not a rough grouse. They do it all year round. Rough grouse drum and when a rough grouse is drumming, he takes he gets up on a log, gets about a perch and beats his wings on his body and it makes this noise. One might think this is straight from YouTube. The thumps are produced by the beating of the wings. Oh yeah, it was like he's doing in his throat, but he's also beating his wing in an actuality. The thumps are little sonic booms created his air suddenly fills a vacuum made when the wings are thrust outward from the breast. I would amend that's the same thing, though to say one might think the thumps are made by a little Honda generator because when I played again, Phil, I remember when my brother Matt turned twelve and he had to go sit in his own tree stand. He couldn't sit up in dad's tree stand anymore with him. I was. Then I went and sat with Matt and his tree stand. So he was twelve, I was nine or eight, and I remember sitting. I could take you and show you the exact Dame tree we're sitting in. Remember sitting there and he listening to a grouse, a rough grouse drumming. I was staying earlier. They they'll drum all your I don't all year, but they drum all around. But they really like to drum in the spring because it's like a territorial thing. Anyways, I remember saying to my brother Matt, oh, that guy finally got that lawnmower running, or that guy can't get that lawnmower running, or something in him saying that's a rough grouse because it's like a guy trying to get an old beater lawnmower gone. Uh. There's a thing in rough grouse biology where there's a drumming log and people will even when when assessing habitat or when um trying to get population estimates. There's even a thing of like using drumming logs as a way to assess habitat, being that there could be suitable rough grouse habitat that is in fact not suitable due to a lack of drumming logs. I never knew that they drummed at night, but we the other night had a rough gruff grouse drum all night. Bios. Not only that, Not only that, but that's son of a bit is out walking around at night, going from spot to spot to spot drumming. You want to talk about a vulnerable bird, man, Hold on there, They moved from one spot to another. Yes, that bird moved around at night. Yeah, we had the same thing. Happened a couple of weeks ago when we were camping. He would go from he went from one spot to another. It woke me up at two thirty. I was like, oh shit, I'm late. I gotta you know. I thought it was morning. He just kept going. No, I understand that, but I didn't know that he moved. Yeah, we went from like our tents over to your tents. Is he hoping that it pays off that night? Like if female is going to confine him or is he just like planning for tomorrow morning. Well he's it's like territorial too. He's like saying, like, this is my spot. I just read on all about which comes out of Cornell Ornithology, and that you want to find out bird I was just quick plug. You want to find out the dope on birds, go to Cornell? Absolutely yea um, although they didn't have that. I just that I read to you about the vacuum sonic boom. But it's saying that it will also do this drumming on moonlitch nights, which it was when we were out there every night thing and just when there's visibility that it was a bright night, it was. It was so bright you could see the moon like it was looked like someone was holding a flashlight outside your tent. Huh, forty six years on this planet and I hadn't had a rough grouse drumming all night? Yeah? What else? What else is interesting is that that little sequence only last eight seconds? And how many times do you think he moves his wings in those eight seconds? No, not the one I heard? Oh yeah, because that little end explosion. Oh yeah, like oh it died again? Man m yeah, that bagger was you would think that annoys like someone else was saying. It was Garrett that was saying. He's like, yeah, first it's like real calming and nice, like listening to the stream trickle by, you know, the rough grouss drumming, and then an hour later he's ready to strangle that that bird, didn't you guys say you could like hear it dragging its wings on the ground or something. Right, Well, we got into our tents. Yeah, you know, you could hear him like literally walking in the leaves, like I mean, probably a foot or two from my head. Yeah, and they're just happened to be from there, kind of perpendicular going out a giant you know, I don't know. At one end it was probably eighteen inches. At the far end it was three ft diameter log that took days to shoot it over. The main thing were supposed to talk about, Oh yeah, we got thing. Yeah, and then I gotta get it was so important I put it down at the bottom of my notes. I gotta get a closing thought too, but we'll get to that later. So did it happen, cal did it happen? Well, well, damn sure, better happened now everybody's talking about it. So what happened last night take it away is the word has been spread that when and there, there's all sorts that you know, everybody likes, say political feater these days, but it's all that's that's what they do back there, So it's it's not nobody should be shocked. Um, the word is out that when Congress returns from its recess for the Memorial Day break more Memorial Day weekend break, Mitch McConnell is going to lead with the Great American Outdoors Act, which is something that we've talked about a bunch and it had a bunch of steam, and I, for one, was was very concerned on how this was gonna fair with um, you know, all of a sudden getting slapped with this pandemic life and COVID and UH bailouts UH around COVID, and we went from you know, economy kicking ass and everybody's got jobs and now we have some serious unemployment in the country for the first Yeah, and I treated just like my Turkey season. It did. It did. It went went from the number one priority to boy, I hope I get around to that. Can you give it a first give the cliff note version of what it is. Yeah, so the Great American Outdoors Act is how bills get past these days. It's not an individual bill, it's it's a package. UM that the major points of this package, UH, Land and Water Conservation Fund, which has just been man if you've ever been interested in conservation. Land Water Conservation Fund is something that's been talked about forever and it's been a battle. But that is a fund that basically takes a tax off of offshore oil and gas revenues and earmarks that cash specifically for access programs, conservation programs UM and then individual states and agencies and UM and uh, you know it's available for private land as well. Can't apply for l w CF matching grants for projects UM. And some people dog on it with this like horrible argument of like, yeah, you know that really nice bike path that uh is in my little tiny small town that's l w CF funds. What does that do for me? Um? It gaus people that you live around never really nice bike path? Yeah, I mean like really like dragging, Like was it like they should have divided up the money by everybody in the community and given everyone like a dollar. Yeah, it's just like questions like he doesn't this guy right, but um, lots of city parks, UM, some boat ramps, all sorts of different types of access. But I once heard, I don't know that's true or NOTO. I once heard that every county in America has had an LWCF project. Boy, I don't know if I would lay it on the line to say every county but you and mind, Alaska doesn't do counties. Every absolutely every state, no, no question whatsoever. Um. So, but there's always been this battle to have UM both LWCF authorized and funded at the same time, which is something that we've really struggled with. UM. LWCF is in the Great American Outdoors Act. Um, We're sorry. Funding full and permanent funding of LWCF is in the Great American Outdoor. Is that that's where the LWCF then gets super complicated. It's like there's authorizing it. Yeah. So basically like Cal's like, hey man, I want I wanna buy pack of gum, and I'm like, uh, yes, you can buy a pack of gum, and its like bunny to mind to buy the gump And then you would say, well, that's great, and that's not my department cal has been all the rise to buy gum, but doesn't have the money to buy gum. So then I'd go to Joannice as the chair of the House Appropriations Committee, and I'd say, Yannice, Steve over here has told me that it's okay to buy a pack of gum. And the pack of gum is a really nice pack of gum, and it costs this much. That's what I've come to ask you for. And Joannice would say, is it really that nice pack of gum? Do you really need? No? We could we can improve this because I say, you say, um, I need to buy a pack of gum. Uh, in my budgets a dollar, I'm allowed to spend a dollar on going And I'm like, yes, I authorized you spend dollar on gum. Then you go to Honest and say, well I need that dollar because I've been authorized spend a dollar and com yeah, it's like I get ten cents. Yeah, it's like a lot of people need a dollar kid um. So yes, LBC have full impermanent funding is in the Great American out or Is Act. The other thing and this is when they say full full funding is nine million year, right, But that that is for these specific projects, which just gave me that money, um that people have to apply for. So it's not yeah, it's I mean, it's it's a cool thing. It has helped everyone, whether you're in a major city center or not, or very rural town. But they do there's a lot of checks and balances to make sure that that money gets spread around so that every county thing may very well be true. Uh you know that there's just a lot of counties out there. So but a lot of other stuff has been rolled into the Act, right. Yes. The major thing that I think is pretty darn neat is again it's kind of a weird twist because of the way the economy has gone and the jobless rate in America has gone. Here since people were starting to be like, oh boy, Great American Outdoors Act could have some steam. You know. President Trump was tweeting about l WCF, which is part of the Great American Outdoors Act. Um. Uh. Senator Dan's here in Montana. Senator Cory Gardner uh in Colorado have uh you know co signed um uh, you know co sponsored the Great American Outdoors Act. All this like good stuff. Fifty three co signers in addition to the first seven you want to be confusing books. So there's fifty nine co signers officially, um, which is which is a big deal. Uh, a lot of Republicans and Democrats on there. And then uh, but like I said, this odd thing going from the steam the momentum of like okay, this could happen, and then all of a sudden it's like, oh my god, we need like really funding in this pandemic. And it just made me very nervous. Tax revenues are going to go down, and then the oil and then oil leases are going to go down. Yes, Um, well there is funding in the Grand American Outdoors Act for this huge national parks backlog and a lot of folks and I think you were kind of one of them. You're like national parks. I don't play that much in national parks because that's where all the people go. Um, well there's a big push too. Then say, well, listen, we can put a lot of the funding towards national parks backlog, but we also have maintenance backlogs on blm US, Fish and Wildlife, Ground, Bureau of Reclamation, UM, Bureau of Indian Education, and so now, uh, there is dedicated funding to address National Park Service still gets the kind of lion's share, but then US four A service, BLM, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Indian Education. So, uh, wasn't it that the service gets and then the rest of it was split up? I think five us F S five five. I think that's right. I think that's right. Yeah, specifically for maintenance. But then the neat thing when I keep going back to the job side of this is, uh, you know, we have changed from like the U. S four Service having a crew to do everything to where they hire out contractors to do a lot of this maintenance. National Park Service the exact same way, US Fish and Wildlife same way. So it's like infrastructure spending. Yeah, and we have a bunch of dedicated funding in this that will be paying contractors to do this work. So there's a lot of bill jobs in this thing, which the timing of that with what's going on right now is is a really cool thing. So, but we're still at this moment talking about something that really should probably happen on Tuesday, so sorry next month rather um. Yeah. So Mitch McConnell, he has said he's bringing it out when we come back in session after the break. Um, there is a little uncertainty because there's not this supermajority that can carry the vote with through a detail. Right. Um. The you know, this has been controversial stuff because you know, people are antipers. You know, some people are anti spending on public lands. But the other kind of interesting thing here is one of the things that has been very consistent for folks in this weird time of getting some of our freedoms, like hey, you really shouldn't do that in the time of COVID for the general welfare everybody, well, one thing everybody for the most part it's been able to do is go outside and exercise outside. UH. And a lot of people have now found a renewed passion for being outside. If you talk to our state agencies, with which again I've been doing a lot participation across the board in fishing, hunting, camping, outdoor recreation has been adding an all time high, UH. If you want to get back into it. My favorite subject tag allocation. I was talking to my friends in Idaho and they're like, oh, ma'am, UH would have been real hired to draw a tag this year because we've had record breaking submissions for UH draw tags. Yeah, I heard the same thing. I heard an interesting number yesterday. UM Minnesota year to date their fishing license sales up. No way, Wow, that's scary. Are getting out again. The stage is set. That's really something. So the so we need to do this thing, man, because you got people want to get out. We gotta be ready for him, even the National park people. Yeah, and like this is something that has a bunch of jobs built in. It's got a bunch of needs that we need to take care of built in. If you think there's too many people out there recreating, with more people out buying fishing licenses, uh LWCF, you know, take some time, but it can help spread out people by providing more access. There's a lot of really good stuff in here, and it takes so much freaking work and time to get one of these packages that you know is not uh a defense contract or all these other things that seem to take take precedence UH to the floor. You know, people are saying, call your representatives, call your representatives, call them, throw them into a stranglehold, man. Yeah, just just explain to them what do you do? Yeah, come on, how much time you spend out there, how much money you spend out there, taking the family outside. It's a big deal. And the times now stay. If you want to sit on your stuff, uh and not talk about conservation stuff or or or pretending like you care, just make make one phone call on this and then you can be like, Yeah, that biggest thing that's ever come around in our lifetime. I was a part of that. I made a phone call and told vote for it. That would be a good time, still would be help even though around the cusps, but still be helpful, just to give it the extra umph. Yeah, yep, you can go uh and check out the actual bill. It'll tell you who's already CO signed. Um, yeah you can. You can your guys out on there. You got your woman's honor. You can give them the heat. You can give them heat. But also call those people that av CO signed and say thank you. They need to hear that stuff too. They never hear thank you enough that you know, people in Michigan are showing up at the state capital armed because they want to get some of the restrictions eased. Yea, how can people don't show up armed about the LWCF down there? Man? I had too many acronyms, I guess I don't know. Yeah. Um, so yeah, this this is a big one. Call Call your representative, tell them you want them to pass the Great American Outdoors Act. Do you feel cal you're a cynical man. Yep, that's true. Um, you're a skeptical man and a cynical man. My favorite quote being, Uh, skepticism is the chast t of the intellect. But you're a cynical man. Do you feel that calling your representatives? Are you just twiddling your thumbs when you call your representative? Scale No, No, I don't think so. I don't think it has the impact that you want it to. Like I feel oftentimes, Uh, even if you have your ducks in her own you tell this awesome story and and you make that AID on the on the other end of the phone, Uh, cry over the for the sympathy for your plight. That aids just gonna mark another notch in the for against column and move on to the next regardless of Yeah, yeah, like the intensity of the plea you might not matter, might not matter. That's what I heard. I was asking sort of a hypothetical question or not a leading I know what kind of question. The question we kind of already know the answer to it. But I've talked to representatives, um who have said on some issues where it's not like a huge on some issues where it's not just become like a big party thing or doesn't become like super partisan polarizing into partisan way and you have to like go with things and it just is, you know, just some issue that doesn't become overly politicized that they will literally calls and letters and they run a tally and it's like that your constituents seen to be falling very cleanly and favoritess and it's like got it yep, that's all go yep. Um. Yeah, so it's still like good old stuff like that still happens. Yeah. I mean I've written letter emails. Um. You know, form letters are super easy, but it's not much harder at all to just write an individual letter that isn't attached to a form letter. I think that is more impactful. Um. But man, a phone call is so fast, so efficient, that's what those folks like. It's easier to make the phone call. Oh sure, they're always real polite. Oh thanks for calling and glad to hear you're you know, involved. Okay, bye, Yeah, they're gonna ask you where you live, you know, because they want to know if you're in there zone or not, you know. But I mean, it's it's it's something everybody's gotta be a part of. If not this issue, something else. If you're listening to this show, this is damn sure your issue. So get off your stuff and call great an email and be a part of the process. I got strangle hold little stuck in my head right now. Before our lives showing Detroit got canceled. You know what we had planned for it. I'm sorry postponed, not canceled, postpone, and we'll still do it anyway. But my buddy from high school, John Merchant, he likes to play guitar, and when we were little kids here, not kids like high schoolers, he always, uh like you could play all the nugent songs, you know, And um, we're gonna have John come out with a guitar at the live show and we're gonna do nugent name that tune and John I was gonna play opening licks to see who can name the song fastest way and go tango, and then we'll have a green tree and an accent in there. Uh are we doing concluders here. Okay, So I got a good one that's been bugging me. Um alright, so you guys got I'll make this real quick, and it's just out for everybody to judge. Here moment, you're gonna say something that's been bugging you in and I'm going to judge it. Yep, Well, I mean you gotta. It's a scenario, right, So, Oklahoma suburbs of Oklahoma City. These two kids are out fishing in their neighborhood pond, which is legal to do so legal. It is legal to fish the neighborhood pod. And they're fishing for bass in the neighborhood pond. Uh. And they want to say they're somewhere in the twelve fourteen year old range, the horrible age. Yeah for full of miss chieff. Right. Sure, it was a lot of trouble happens in there. I caught a lot of large mouth bass in them mirrors. Vehicle shows up, guide, an adult man steps out, walks to the water's edge with a cast net, uses the cast net to pull approximately three pound bass off of bed, and then drops that bass in the bucket next to him. The kids know that this is illegal, and they decide to go up and talk to the adult and just let him know that this is an illegal activity. And he begins to cuss the kids out, you know, basically like mind your own business. And at that point the kids call fishing game fishing wildlife. Uh huh I should have been talking, yeah, student, little buggers and that. Uh. Then they say, hey, just so you know, you know, we called fishing wildlife. They even went as far to explain to the guy before they called fishing wildlife that you can keep a bass with a rod and reel. So they're like, if you're really interested in keeping a bass, you can keep one if you catch it with a rod. Real mr, Yeah, just fish for him. Yeah. Uh So then now this guy's real irate and he's still cussing at these at these kids. Um. And then uh drives off, thinks better of it, jumps out, runs down to the water's edge, throws the bass back, continues to cuss at the kids. Uh, jumps in the vehicle and drives off. Uh. And then later on, fishing Game catches up with him, writes some a ticket, which he he he pays in full. Um. I was just sending these kids something. What was the ticket for illegal means a take I think illegal casting out in bass? Yeah uh um. So I notice in the the video footage the kids wearing a first light hat. Oh really yeah? Uh care him? Is his name? K A. R U M and his buddy writer were the two kids, and uh, I reach out to the father, right. I don't want to reach out to the fourteen year old kid without talking to his folks first. Um, and the guys like, hey, thank you so much for reaching out. There's some folks on social media that are calling the kids a bunch of names. They're taking it pretty hard. And then some of them names for what for turning the guy in? It was the guy that the guy thrown the bass back in the lake, they would have turned him in. Yeah yeah. The part of the concert. Uh. Conversation I had with the dad uh was fun though too, because he's like, yeah, they're taking it pretty hard. They're I mean, they're out fishing right now. But so the kids like their fishing and they're protecting their fishing horn. And I just wanted to throw that story out and see what what the general sentiment was around this table as to uh, just just the whole thing as far as like, I think we should send those kids some stuff. Man. But it's a job well done. I mean they gave an adult. They're checking out there, looking out for the resource man the predator husbands is praying and they're pretty educated on the whole system, which is impressive. You know. Um, they're acting more responsible than a lot of adults would have acted. And if the story played out like you're talking about, if the dude had been like oh man, dude, sorry, throw the bass back, we'll be talking about Well, it seems like that guy had like a system, like you don't just run out of your car with a cast that like huh, I wonder what will happen? Like he's got it coming. Man, it sounds like you might have been doing some bucket biology. Oh yeah, that's interested stock in his own ponds somewhere else. Um, I we should send some of those kids. He had a first light hit. Yeah, I can't find any faults or any holes like with the story rating the dude out, But like again I wasn't there. He right, so I can see like, oh, it's bad to wrap somebody out. I can see someone making that argument. But if if the dudes is getting testy with them. What are they supposed to do? Fight them? Well? And that's things like this is a full blown adult. And you look at these these kids, and I hope you guys don't get embarrassed on this one. But they're like, you know, a little skinny havn't quite uh you know, beefed up yet. I haven't either, Yeah, you know, Steve hasn't either. But and then the other cool thing, the cool part of this is they're a good Samaritan steps forward. Uh grogis I think is this guy's name? Um? And he recalls his own terrible experience with an adult fishing as a kid, where some guy lost his temper and he recalls not ever even wanting to go back to that whole lake. And so he got a hold these two kids bottom uh Oklahoma lifetime fishing license a piece, yeah, and uh a gift card to Cabellas or bass Pro or something. Yes. Yeah. And that's the way you should act, not tormenting these kids because they did the right thing, especially if you like to fish. That's interesting, that's a lovely, heartwarming story. Is that. I just don't think it was a concluder. It's not. It doesn't fit into usually what a concluder is like another talking point. Yeah, I know, I just wanted to hear what you guys, have you ever been like watch this. I'll be like, uh, man, I just want to say, cal that that stuff you were talking about earlier. Um, that warms my heart, buddy. That's well, I don't have a concluder. I like the story cows a good way to end the day. Oh man, Yeah, I wish we had a great uplifting story like that on the show Man. That's like I asked a few questions. Yeah, yeah, I told him. I wrote this up on the Weekend review podcast that Cols we can review coals. We can review best thing on the internet. I'm like, just type that and you'll pullp Cols. We can review those those Uh yeah, those boys can fish with me. Uh last quick thing listening? We else got any that I've come to a thing on puffballs? Mm hmm. I'm like, it's hard to see something in the woods it's edible and not pick it. I saw it, I grabbed it. Man, But you're not having good luck with him. I'm almost gonna I have yet to eat in my life, and I've made a fair number of them if you have to eat a puffball. Rouse there night we're eating those morals and you're like, damn, those are good. Dah, they're good. Hand in the woods Man. That's good. It's so good. Bleats so good. Yeah, what are the orange ones? Sweet mother? It's just good. You're patting yourself on the back. Good job picking that out. Every time every time I eat a puff ball, every time someone picks a puff ball, every time someone makes me a puffball pizza, it doesn't matter what it is. I'm always like, yeah, yeah, for sure, it's edible and it's not bad, but it's not bad. Yeah, you don't have to pick them up, morrel. You're not gonna walk away from They're just like very complimentary to whatever you're making, like on a burger in the Steaks us something like that, but like you're not gonna eat it on its own as an appetizer. We found two giant puff balls. I'd say not the size of a normal head, but the size of cow's head. I got that bigger, smaller than a normal No, like a puff ball the size of spencer's head. Now that's a puff ball. That's a big puff but a puffball the size of like cow's heads, about the size of a softball. Yeah, puff ball like that. But what I can't remember it was it had like this one had met metallic kind of Brody picked a nice one, but then we let it sit a couple of days and it got a little s out, but it wasn't like it's the white shot. But then but then me, my boy picked one that was like firm, nice, like any puff ball is edible, Like any puffballs edible. If you cut it open um and it's white inside, it's fine. Eventually they turn darker, darker, darker black, and then you can squeeze him and you know, the spores shoot up in the air. It looks like a smoke bomb at Fourth of July, but coming on white cutt into slices. I can't remember what we did. We wanted to, like, I think we just put it on foil on a grill shipload of olive oil, which makes anything be okay. And in the end it was like you couldn't. Kids didn't like it, kind of pasty in the middle. It's like tofuie. Yeah, kind of dune with those sons of bitches. That's all folks. Come on, I got oh no, go ahead, give the counterpoint. It's like one of those shows like point counterpoint. Oh no, I'm I'm, I'm with you. I'm I think I think puff balls for burgers are aware of a hat because I just do like garlic butter, and then I have the puff balls all sliced up in there, and he just laid on top of burger and just laying on top of burger, and and nobody and a lot of times I'll do bacon burgers and then be when folks aren't looking, I'll be transferring that bacon grease into the butter dish. Also, nobody's walking away from one of those puffball mushrooms, right, It's like and it winds up being good, but like, okay, let me ask you why though, Oh, I mean, because you've doctored it all up, I winds up being like fun to eat the mushroom. Oh yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah. I think their their nickname is like the breakfast mushroom, because what you should do with the puff ball is like tossing an omelet, toss it with eggs, put in a burrito something like that. How can you say that its nickname is the breakfast mushroom? But then say that it's not a widely held belief that pine squirrels bite the knots off all the squirrels. You got me there? Maybe like one person called it the breakfast mushroom. I don't know. I love putting the truth about breakfast mushrooms. Are you typing in breakfast mushroom, Junie, I'm gonna type in puffball mushroom nicknames. See what happens, Spencer's It's gonna be all right. Who else got a concluder? I'm good. I like Cal's story. I can't. Yeah, I'm sorry to top it. I wanna make a defense in my breakfast mushroom thing here real quick. That's a good concluder from from while I have another concluder yet, so this one doesn't count this up? Uh? From the book Wild About Mushrooms, the cookbook of the Micological Society of San Francisco, they say some people refer to puffballs as breakfast mushrooms because they blend so well with eggs. Okay, that seems definitive enough to me. Okay, so you're my concluder. Was that's wrong? I'm convinced that a recent episode had the best, most unexpected thing ever said on it that I heard over Quarantine recent episode of what of the Meat Eater podcast this very show, Yes is something you said? No, no, no, no, I've been I've been. I've been catching over here something I read on a blood Spencer new the best most unexpected thing I've ever heard on the Meat Eater podcast. Um, I've been catching up Quarantine and I've thought about this once a day, I swear to you since I heard it, but I haven't seen you guys because of social distancing to bring it up. But in episode two eighteen, Kevin Murphy, I was talking to you guys, and if I were introducing one of you, if I were like introducing Brodie to somebody who didn't know Brodie, I'd be like, this is my buddy, Brodie. He just moved here from Colorado. I'd be like, you know that a little shi, Yeah, like this is my buddy. Honest. Uh he used to guide elk hunters something like that. Like that's that's just like a pretty normal introduction. Kevin Murphy blindsided you guys with something that I think you were so caught off guard you didn't even address it. But Kevin Murphy said, uh, does he listen to this podcast. Oh, probably not. I wouldn't be surprised to here he does not. Okay, well, you're gonna need to reach out anyway. He's to like put a ball on this. But he said something about that was with my buddy Raymond, and Raymond doesn't let me go into gentlemen's clubs in foreign countries. And then he just moved on from there. Never never brought it back to that. It had nothing to do with the rest of the two hours that you guys talked, But that was his footnote on his buddy rain Like, if you want to know what kind of guy Raymond, Yes, he does not let you go into gentleman's clubs and foreign countries. So yeah, you're like, okay, so he's he's coolheaded, he thinks ahead, he doesn't get carried away in the moment, I was waiting for something to come back to that story or like how is this relevant? And it never happened, and it it's bothered me because I tell him telling you, I thought about it every single day. I can see that a little bit because I certainly caught that when he said it, and the thing that came to mind to me I was like, well, Kevin, to me, that says that you were on your way to a gentleman's club in a foreign country and your body thought better of it and he stopped you. You know it. So I kind of kind of said a little bit about Kevin, which I don't know if he got a service background, merchant mery and or something like that. I just want to know what inspired like that specific footnote. There has to be some sort of back and ask him and you can report back to us. Do you even recall that being said, Steve? No, But like I feel like I'm trying to, like if I have someone on, sometimes i'll have someone and I'll go back and listen because I'm trying to do a lot of things in my head hosting m HM. And the thing with Kevin two man he uh he uh has the gift of gab and it flows thought to the next and one idea to the next pretty quickly. Yeah. Yeah, well we can follow up on that keeping you up at night. Huh. Speaking of the this is you got one too? Oh you still got a concluder though I gave it. I gave Spencer month, so you got one. But I'm gonna do a story for a concluder about going to gentleman's clubs in foreign countries. I Uh, one time I was working on this magazine story and I had to go to the Santiago and Chile and I just started dating my wife and I brought her with me, and I uh, we had hired a guy I needed needed to hire, like a translator and someone to help out with stuff. Um, And so I said, man, I really want to get a cup of coffee, and he said, well, how about a coffee with legs? And I thought he meant like a strong coffee. So I'm like, yeah, what other kind is there? Right? Or whatever the hell I said. I'm like, I would like that's what I thought he meant. But no, what do you mean means? Is he takes us to this like underground arcade in Santiago and it's uh coffee shops that our staffed by naked women. So, and it's businessmen doing business meetings. It's black, there's black lights. It's full of like businessmen at eleven in the morning having meetings and you're being waited on and served coffee by nude women. And so I'm with my wife and so I'm trying very hard to not look at anything. I'm just like not looking at anything. All three of you want to get a coffee. There, Me, the translator, and my wife are sitting very awkwardly, and he's like, isn't it great? Isn't it great? You know? And I'm sitting there like I'm not looking, I'm not doing anything. And I had my notebook out because I was taking some notes. And eventually my wife took my notebook and she drew a picture in it. And I looked and it was a woman. It was a picture of a woman holding a pair of scissors and a man's scrolled them gentleman's clubs in foreign countries. Man, go ahead, Johnny, I'll let you. I'll let it end on that I was. I didn't have one. I gave a dispenser. I said, what was yours? H No, you said that was the thought. The puff ball thing was me doing a follow up. The concluder was that Kevin Murphy had the greatest most unexpected line your podcast history. Okay, Phil helps out here now, now Phil the engineer, please provide a concluder so we can wrap her up. Yet one minute, Well, I was just gonna I was actually gonna try to cut you guys off because I thought the picture of your wife drew into the laughter. Bring the music up. That's that's the end of the podcast. Go ahead and do that, Phil, I'll do it. Is it too late? No? Can we talk about this and then have that happened and you can we can talk about its going to hear what we're talking about. Let's say, let's you played this and then did what you would have done right and show that you were right. Sound okay, I would do that. Now back up and do what you would have done right. Okay, here we go. Here comes men, folks. It was a picture of a woman holding a pair of scissors and a man scrolled them Gentlemen's clubs and Foreign Conscience Man