00:00:08 Speaker 1: This is me eater podcast coming at you shirtless, severely bug bitten in my case, underwear listening Hunt podcast, you can't predict anything presented by on X. Hunt creators are the most comprehensive digital mapping system for hunters. Download the Hunt app from the iTunes or Google play store. Nor where you stand with on X. All right, ladies and gentlemen, this is ah. This is something I never wanted to happen. This was never supposed to be part of the plan. This is a this is a live it's a live recorded show. It was meant to be that way all all ever? Did I mean? I did a couple of other things, But the primary thing I have done over the years is argue against people who have tried to convince me of all the benefits and ease that would come if you would just record the interviews over Skype and ship like that. And I've always said it just violated my artistic sensibility. I just resisted it against all comers. But but in the end, I in the end, I was defeated by COVID nineteen. So here we are recording the show, not live. I am so close to cal I can smell them but we can't be together. I can't silence our phones. Cats and dogs living together, anarchy, mass hysteria. Cal's so close. I could smell him, but I can I can't touch him. He's over in his his in his garage. Janice not as close, but I could still kind of smell him, locked up in his home, the big moose skull from Alaska looking down upon him. Uh, which makes you feel especially this and his cow is just robbed. Cal, can you tell everybody about getting robbed? Oh? Man? Um? Yeah, So folks broke into yes, thieves, not folks. Thieves bra broke into my truck, open my garage door about two ft with my garage door opener, and uh, I can I ask you real quick about that? So they did like they to look to reduce noise. They just open enough to crawl under. Yeah, reduced noise and and you know everything's very well lit here hours a day. So maybe it was to keep the uniformity from somebody driving down the street because the garage doors are so tall. But just to paint the picture. Cal lives in a Cal lives and a live work spots. So he's got a big, huge garage and on top of that sits his house, his home. Yeah, one bedroom apartment, so that maybe even giving these folks way too much credit. Um. You know, my little sister's a detective now. I like to call her a dick uh down in Denver and I was asking her about dick in Denver. Uh what her thoughts were, and uh, you know, I have m all. I got fancy new steel gas power chainsaw, one of thes no no. So there is like this chainsaw right next to an eight hundred dollar chainsaw. And they took the two dollar like hedge trimmer. And I was asking my little sister about that, and she was very serious. She's kind of a serious kid. Hard to call her. She's a serious dick um. And she's like, well, did it have like a nice package or did it have like bright colors to it? I said, well, the lettering is was really bright. You know, it's brand new packaging. And she's like, yeah, right, and that's called math. It's like anything that's like shiny and good looking. And you started looking around the garage and and uh, yeah, it was just like severe severe a d D where something would be picked up and moved and put on the floor and then in that spot. You'd look around and be like, oh, from here, they grabbed this and moved it, and they yeah, the So they piled up a bunch of guns. You know, I never got around to building the guns safe that I was going to build, or the safe room for the guns that I was going to build, um, but nothing was out. But they found where I have all the guns, and they just they brought him out and stacked them. And then I have a brand new weather be eighteen I UM in the box that I was gonna mount some turkey sights on, and that was laying on the couch next my desk down here in my garage office where I was doing all my taxes and trying to refinance my home, and where that shotgun was placed is where my whole file of all of my sensitive financial information had been resting. So they had picked up the brand new shotgun, saw that file, put the shotgun down, picked up the file through that in my bag um in order to use. So they used my YETI backpack and in this black hole Patagonia Duffle that I've had for fifteen years, and to like grab stuff and throw stuff in him, and that black hole Duffel bag. They dumped out several thousand dollars worth of fly fishing gear in order to utilize the bag to put in uh maybe a hundred dollars worth of pawnshop tools in that bag. So your your sister thinks it's math. I think it's I'm putting together a little profile. I like it. They gotta they gotta hedge at their house that looks rough. Um, they're handy man and they got a background in accounting. Uh, they got a sack full like many many. You know, we always talked about like what the hell do you do with all cavories? Well, I've just been cleaning them up and chucking them in. Uh it's not a Crown royal bag, but you know, like those little velvety booze bags. Um, for freaking ever, they stole those. They took those. Also a couple of arrow heads that I had sitting there, some buffalo teeth. And I felt really bad for the cop right because he's like, what's missing? And what he meant to say is tell me if any guns are missing, But he just said what's missing? And it's to am and I'm walking around my guard my garage, being like son of a batch, and he's like, okay, what like my buffalo teeth. He's like okay, And I'm like, oh, my arrowheads and my elk teeth and uh. And then I turned around and he's writing this stuff down like out of a sense of duty, not out of a sense of justice or anything, right, And I'm like, oh sorry, and I'm like look around. I'm like, you know what, they they got a couple of whether it be over and undershotguns that I had had that are like our office shotguns, you know. Uh. And I had had him here for one of our last hunts of the year and and clean them up and had him sitting in the garage or sitting in the gun room, and uh, they had taken those. Those are the only two shotguns that they made it out the door with. Um. But they stole my truck. They grabbed my spare set of keys. It was gone for all of five minutes. They drove it a tenth of a mile with the stuff, must have thrown it in wherever they had parked their car. And the you know, the the Bozeman p D had my truck. Like two officers show up and they're like, hey, what's going on? And then immediately one of the officers like grabs his like you see on TV, like grabs his radio and he's like run, runs out of here. And you know, fifteen packs later, they're like, yeah, they got your truck. I'm like, oh, gay, So go over to the truck and there's the two Weatherby shotguns in the back. But they got So here's here's the biggest, like the biggest takeaway from me um lock your guns up. Oh like that's things like the stuff that was locked up. But you know, in my mind it is locked up. But yeah, Ratt, you need to better job of locking your stuff up. How many feet were you from the burglars while they were burglarizing you if you could bore a hole through the ceiling about eight ft? Uh. But so here's here's the crazy takeaway right home defense. A year ago, when I move into this place, I make the decision, no, I mean whatever, judge me Um, I already have to put a ten millimeter pistol and a three fifty seven pistol in in in cases but like carry cases right basic essentially right next to my bed. And I made that decision to where I was like, you don't have kids, so go ahead, and I was like, but still safe, you know, like not my nephew is not gonna come over here and have any way of accessing those things. So, um, ice, keep a pistol next to my bed. You can't do that when you got people running around your house. But myself, um but you know, in my mind, I'm like, okay, home defense, and why would I just have all my guns downstairs when I'm upstairs. So I hear stuff going on outside and I'm like, God, no, that's nothing, but I have turkey stock going on on the stove, and my guy, but better talk check that turkey stock since I'm awake anyway. And then I get up and I hear this is at two forty am. You had let me get this straight. So it's two forty am, and you like wake up and realize that you want to check your turkey stock. Well, something wakes me up right, and I'll kind of listen. I'm like, oh, this kind of a noisy area town anyway, and you kind of get used to some of the noises, but also there is something like that's not right. So I'm like, oh, I got a turkey stock on the stove. I'm gonna go check the turkey stock and making about five ft and I'm like, oh my god, somebody per Son's or a person is downstairs in my home, like in my home, and right next to me are those two pistols. And I know as any turn in any scenario would know if I step out onto my deck, I will be looking at at least one of these people. Yeah, And it is at that moment that I'm like, do not grab that pistol because you will kill that person. Oh. I feel like I would have thought something different, yeah, man, but I just absolutely no, Like from thea jillion times I've been in the woods, at this point, you know, when you're like, well, let me just look at it through the scope, like things die when you do that. And and at that point I was like, man, I don't want to kill anybody tonight, right or wrong. I mean, that's that's the process that went through my head. Now you is you didn't have um man, you were just overcome with just immediate feelings of just wanting vengeance for them violating your your your place, violating your sanc, your your sanctity. So like I said, like the door to the apartment part of this place is wide open, and so there's one door separating the garage from upstairs, and uh. Instead of going out on the deck, I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna go down the stairs. And at this point, I'm on the phone with the cops and just to let you know, like how fast this happened, I'm on the phone with dispatch for like thirty seconds and I can hear sirens in the background m hm and they and I'm like, okay, I gotta go downstairs, and uh, I'm gonna pound my feet on the way down the stairs and get these folks out of my garage. Um. And then I make I don't even make it to my stairs, which is hard to do because it's such a small apartment, and I hear the unmistakable sound of my door, my vehicle door opening and closing, and my vehicle starting like everybody knows the sound of their truck. And I was like, oh shit, yeah, You're like, how could that be because I'm up here exactly exactly and uh yeah. And then I was just like, oh ah, you lost this round? Ye would you have would you have gone in their guns? Ablaze? And Johnnie Well, I was just thinking maybe a couple of warning shots, maybe shot the tires out, you know as they're pulling away. No, I'm getting um, warning shots in the middle of town probably aren't a good idea either. So no, I wouldn't have gone in their guns ablazing. UM, I mean, what you're gonna You gonna murder some guys because they stole a chainsaw in your passport. So here's the thing. Like, when I came down Sunday morning, it wouldn't be it wouldn't be murder. Not that I slept at all, But Sunday I'm down in the garage like really taken stock of what is gone, and they have two of my other bags, like chocked full of stuff that they didn't make it out the door with. UM. So I'm going through that and seeing what what they grabbed. UM. And they grabbed uh A thing of rubber bands, UH, old set of first light suspenders, UH. A couple of head lamps, one of which does not work anymore. You know, things that I had in tended to return to the manufacturer for warranty purposes. UM. A saws all that is pushing twenty years old that I literally dug out of a dumpster and catch him A dull drill with batteries that don't hold the charge anymore. That I had finally been like, I'm gonna call those guys from Milwaukee and see if I can't get a discount on a new drill. And all I could think is, had I stood out on my deck and shot one of those dudes, and like I'm saying, I know for a fact, like I would have stepped out there and been staring at those guys eight feet on the angle. Yeah, but you could have great, there's a lot of gray area between doing nothing and shooting us someone. You could have said, uh you know, uh maybe like stick them up, oh man, yeah, yeah, who knows who? That might have come to my mind had I shot one of those dudes and the cops like, okay, yeah, clear, you know, self defense, got it, you know, castle doctor and all that stuff. But then you'd get to read the bottom online and you'd find out about his mom and uh yeah, and by the way, here's your uh saws all that you dug out of a dumpster and that in circular sawce uh that uh you got for twenty bucks at a pawn shop and uh, you know doesn't work. Here's that drill. It doesn't work. Here's your elk T you know. Um, oh yeah, officer, I may have fibbed a little bit that wasn't an authentic Indian arrowhead. That's a reproduction. You know. Like I understand, man, I understand all that. But I also know that, UM, you know, I don't think that these into visuals had any It's not like you're dealing with children who don't understand right from wrong. You're dealing with people who have made a conscious decision two steal your stuff and and and then potentially put you in in at risk. Oh I know, I know, and it had that. That's why I was kind of like stuck between a rock and hard place because, um, I like I was like, you know, somebody starts coming up the stairs to my apartment, it's going to be a very very different story very quick. Um. But you know that that didn't happen. And the other thing is like when I heard him start moving out of the garage is when I was like, shoot, I gotta get down there. Little did I know that they had the keys of my truck and they were jumping in my truck at the time. Um. But when I had at that point you know, I'm on the phone with the cops, and I actually had like a little more reassurance that they're in probably the only extended cab eight foot bed tundra in the state of Montana during quarantine. At two am. I'm like, they stay in that truck. These guys are gonna get caught, you know. So, And I was like, do I drop my phone and so I can run out of here in my bare feet and chase my truck on foot? Like what are the better odds? You know? I mean, I'm sure we'll get a ga jillion people telling me exactly what I should have done, but yeah, that's what I did. You're you're more mature than I am. Um, I think because when I've had stuff stolen, I just fixate on I fixate for a long time on the vengeance and I and I, oh, these elaborate vengeance scenarios to play out in my mind. Dude, you've been in my place. I have hatchets and and hand forged hammers and all sorts of stuff laying on every surface upstairs. It's all for vengeance. I haven't been sleeping since has happened, because all I'm thinking about is like I would love to take that hammer and find that guy. Yeah. How that turkey stock? How that wind up turned out? Oh? Beautiful, nice and clear not cloudy? So I purposely because I always feel like wild game stock. Can you have to reduce it so much to get like a rich stock? Um, I purposely only strained the turkey stock, like with a rough strain. Mhm uh So it's like when you're unfiltered. I p a s. They're hazy, I p a are Johnnie. Um, so it's you speaking, but it's not. Yeah, I mean so it's it's a little bit cloudier than than you would think. But I did that on purpose to see how that runs. But can it works to decant it now and then to get it clarified? And then there's another trick they do, which is uh oh on that second, I told you someone to be crying on Matt, What are you crying about? Yea? Where was I? Oh? Clarifying stock? Yeah? Yeah, you can to clarify that stuff. You can d can't it? Like just let it settle and then pour off the top. But there's this other thing I've done. It's an old timey method. Is um you'd use like like egg cracking egg in there to clarify it. I don't even I don't even remember the details. I remember doing it, I have. So my next step is, I I've been hoarding tongues like you wouldn't believe, all sorts of tongues in every freezer. Um, and I'm gonna do a couple of big corning batches of tongue. And I have this old timey uh you know, preserving book here in the garage miraculously didn't get stolen um that I'm gonna They probably discussed it exactly. They're like, I don't know, man, what do you guys think old timey preserve? And should we grab it? Yeah? No, Um, I don't want that new shotgun in the box. We'd have to put it together. Nobody wants to deal with that. Um. Yeah, So I guess that's the next deal. So I I I don't know. I think the turkey stock leaving it a little little cloudy, I think is gonna work out good. And then I got I did a giant batch of all my elk bones and a couple of mule de your bones that I had in the freezer. Uh that as soon as we're done, all run through the strainer and and can that today too, Well, that's good that you're staying uh, you're you're being uh, you're staying active over there. Uh like the quickly can I quickly add about the clarifying stock of course? Yeah? Well the egg thing is you you just added some beat some egg whites and mix it in there and then let it cook together. Remember doing that, and it like it buying in the the the impurities like bind up in the albumen or something. Yeah, basically when when you then let it settle and you take it off the heat, like you're saying that the stiffened egg whites or what's called the egg raft um will so we'll grab that um stuff and you just basically take that out um and still run it through you know, sieve with a damp cheese cloth. But I was gonna also say that I always felt like that that one of the number one rules for preventing cloudy stock is that you're you need to be careful about not ripping stock too hard while you're cooking it. Everything agitated and stirs it all up. Yeah, you just got it slow and low. But you know I used to I used to judge a man stock by its clarity or cloudiness. But then I realized it just doesn't matter. Man, it's I think it's aesthetics. Maybe someone will counter that and tell me it's not aesthetics. I think it's just aesthetics. Um, because it is gorgeous. I mean it is. There's a bitterness that comes with the cloudiness. Um. I wanted to I'd like to explore this, but I I wind up not putting a whole lot of attention into it. I thought it just as looks when people used to make gela and stuff. You want to be nice and clear, not cloudy. Uh. In terms of cow, In terms of COVID nineteen and Cal getting robbed and Cal not taking any cracks at the burglars with his pistol, it has been interesting for me to see, Um, well, one, this reaches across all, you know, all aspects of our American existence and what we're gonna talk about a handful of ways in which, like in the the outdoors world, the world we deal in, there's impacts from COVID nineteen. But we're gonna explore some of this, but the implications of the pandemic, I mean touch every aspect of of American life UM. And that certainly isn't limited to America every for for you know, every aspect of global life. UM. And it has felt in a lot of ways even just in the world in which the world that we deal with here on the show around the Outdoors that we're gonna talk about some of the a little bit of that coming up here and thinking about cal getting robbed and whether or not you go out and take a crack at the guy. UM. It's like illustrates some kind of like interesting aspects of our own psychology and the psychology of others around how you imagine a situation like this playing out, and that so many people, especially people that I view as being like peers of mine and like minded individuals, sort of immediately go to this place of go to this kind of last man standing mentality where you're gonna get armed up UM in order to I don't know what, UM, repel your neighbors if they come for food, like like, I don't really know, and I feel it like and I understand that you want to have this sense of that you want to hunker in in stockpile and defend, but I also wish that there was more of a knee jerk reaction towards just going towards being, um, getting prepared to be supportive of your neighbors and community. I need to prepare to support my neighbors in community. I mean a lot of people feel that way. But it's also there's also this pull that makes you want to get really insular man um, you know, to get maybe you're supportive of your neighbors and community and family, of course, always your family, but then you have in your mind too that there's like this last ditch thing, you know, and that you'll have plenty of food, you'll have water, you'll be able to defend your home. Um, if that structure that you're trying to simultaneously simultaneously be supportive of were to collapse, it all has jumbled around in my head right now. Um, it's not fun. It's not a fun thing to think about. No, it's it's weird and I've done you know, like so I'm I'm yeah, it is. It's a jumbled around my head right because I'm like, boy, all of my meat is in the freezer. So you know, I went over install your big gass Western dehydrator. May I haven't returned it. No, uh, may not that thing rips. You can do some cool stuff with that thing. Um. But I took an unbelievable amount of meat and reduced it to about eight pounds of shelf stable meat. Yeah. Um, do you got a generator over there? No, I don't. I got a generator from my freezer, but my stockpile of gas. I need to start stockpiling fuel, you which you can, right. It's like unless it's a diesel, It's like that's just the shelf stability of fuel so so bad, unless you get a bunch of those steel uh shelf stable fuel deals where they put the free on or something on top of it. By I buy ethanol free gas and stabilize it. Oh okay, Um, but then, uh, you know, I've been canning some stuff and then I have given away probably two hundred pounds of meat since since the corn teening talk started, you know, and my buddies pounds. Yeah yeah, Wade on that hanging scale, how big are you? How many freezers do you have and how big are they? How many pounds that do you have? Total? You got that big one right there, and just in sausage meat that I ground up and mixed at Steve's house. There's eighty pounds of grind in there. Yeah. I did a batch of grind the r day that was forty pounds, man, and that was like not a lot. Yeah. So um, and then there's a little chest freezer next to that one. Then I got my freezer upstairs two so um freezer attached to your ridge. Yeah. And so there's there's a third of an elk in there. Um, almost done eating through my two thousand seventeen mules here, and um some cuz here and and uh getting getting through the last of the fish right now too. So yeah, I mean I just I gave away a ton of meat. Um, you're playing both sides you're trying to do. You're doing prepper stuff where you're making jerky and canny, but you're also doing community oriented stuff where you're helping people out. Yeah, and like the canning and the jerky making are all things where I'm like, oh, I'm gonna get to that one of these days. And so here's kind of a good excuse. Um. But the reality is like, for me, if all this stuff went belly up, if I wasn't such an invested friend to my friends, I can grab my backpack and be just fine. Like I'm gonna be able to get clean water, I'm gonna be able to get food. I'm gonna be able to have shelter and and and and be just fine. You know. So, I guess I'm probably not uh in the same mindset of somebody who's like, right here, this particular spot, If all this infrastructure that we rely on goes down, I gotta stick it out right here right here, I'm gonna be you'd be more mobility mobility oriented. Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's stunning. So at the at our website, the meat eater dot com, we have up we have a tracker. It's updated constantly, right cal Yep, we have up a tracker on our website where you can go to follow and understand state by state rules and regulations and closures that will impact UH hunting and fishing type folks and outdoor recreation type folks. And it's getting to be like a really um it's get to be a really complicated atmosphere out there in our own state that we have a we're under right now. Our governor has well, I'm under two things. So today is the last day of my fourteen day international travel quarantine. So I was down on family trip in Baja and things really kind of went to ship while there there. There was like the whiff of going to ship was in the air when we left. I think if it was twelve hours later, we probably wouldn't have gone. We got down to Baja just in time to have this feeling of like, oh my god, what's happening. Um. The day before we got home, our governor had uh put out a thing that I don't know what they call it, the mandate whatever, what's the word I'm looking for that anyone returning a directive that's correct, thank you, honest, a directive that anyone returning from international travel. Um, do us do a fourteen day quarantine. So we've been very strict about it, and I haven't. Um, I haven't. Besides my home, I haven't walked into It's it's kind of funny. Besides my home, I haven't walked into a structure, not even a gas station for two weeks. Today. UM, I left the airport when I landed in town, and I just I've been outside in my home, but again, outside it's been really important. It's a kind of a somewhat lame time of year for some people might view it as a aim time of year for outdoor activities, but just to keep out there and keep at it. We've been out um trapping beavers and doing stuff. We're gonna fish this weekend, and there's and then before my fourteen day quarantine ended, there's another directive of a stay at home directive for the entire state. And there's a lot of exceptions for the stay at home directive, and one of those exceptions is outdoor activity. And you'll find even places where people in some states are being an encouraged to do outdoor activity but also being encouraged to practice social distancing during outdoor activities. So I was trying to determine what that meant for me specifically, and I've made some phone calls and read and just read the actual directive. UM, and yeah, you can you know, you can travel to do outdoor activities on public lands here. That's not the case everywhere. Uh. One interesting thing we've heard from a guy. So for instance, we've got a guy in Maryland. He's I did. He wrote in and was talking about just by listening to this show, he got very interested in learning how to hunt so he went out and bought a gun, but calls binos turkey decoys, boots all getting geared up to hunt turkeys this spring, did all his scouting, got some private land permissions, did his hunter ed and all he had to do to seal the deal was do his hunter ed field day, got his online course work done. But then the state canceled all field days. So this guy is sitting in this situation where ah, he's already he's geared up to go. He did his hunter's d but he can't fulfill his field day, so his spring turkey season is now off. My buddy, Tony Coli Grassi in Washington State, was fishing on the Queets River, an Olympic National Park, and he was having a good day and getting some steel head, and all of a sudden, he's got a park ranger yelling at him in a friendly way that the governor has just declared that recreational fishing is done and that whole state. And Tony was actually escorted out of the park so that they could get a certain area of the park. Him and his dog were escorted off. And now in Washington you cannot fish. And this strikes me as weird because if you lived on a private lake. Let's say you live on a lake, you can walk down and hit golf balls out into the lake, but you can't cast a fishing pole out into the lake. So rather than putting some parameters around what kinds of fishing, what places, what group size, whatever, it's just you cannot fish. It'd be like saying no touching, Like not only did you close the golf courses, which I'm sure they've done, but you would also have a directive that says no one can touch their golf club and swing it. Yeah, it's interesting how the stark contrast between that and then a lot of the how the a lot of other states have changed their fishing REGs recently, um almost completely hundred eighty degrees in the other direction. And I'm guessing it's old. Maybe it's because Washington is such a hotbed of COVID, and so that's why they're just shutting it all down and telling people to stay inside. Yeah, it will be in one of the main you know, the initial explosion point for the virus and then remaining like a real hotspot. Yeah, the main and Missouri. In Pennsylvania, there's a couple Yeah, well they they have all suspended all fishing license requirements right now, and a couple other states have opened fishing seasons a week early to encourage people to go outside and fish and uh and you know, saying that it's you know, good for your health and so that no one has to probably want go and get fishing licenses and go in and out of you know, stores, gas stations or whatever and have human contact and that that way that you know, no wardens have to have human contact. Everybody can basically just go fish without a license. What states? What states is that happening in? Um, definitely Missouri, Uh, Connecticut. Maine opened fishing on lakes one week earlier on all all lakes, rivers, and streams earlier, opened it a week earlier. Yeah, and they're not the only ones. Uh. Wisconsin currently waving off fees for state parks and trails. UM. Maine, Yeah, their inland fishing season was set to open. Uh or No, it usually opens April one, but they opened at March for the same reason, just to get let people to get out there. Uh. Pennsylvania trout openers now April eight, and that's across the whole state. There's not I guess normal years, they have different days for different parts of the state when the opener is UM and now it's just wide open. Uh. I think that about covers it. It fuels this this sort of suspicion or conspiracy theory. I almost hesitate to say this because I don't want to traffic and missing formation and I know this isn't the case, but I'll say but I've had friends in Washington who have expressed to me, and being baffled by the severity of the directive, have expressed me this sense that they feel that their state UM has UH. They feel as though it has a sort of uneasy relationship with its hunters and anglers. Anyways, that it sort of feels that fuels this little bit of paranoia that is not a supportive UM. You know that's not supportive in some way. But again I shouldn't say that because I don't know the full story there. But it does feel really uh like there's a sort of a lack of nuance and how it's being pushed forward. I know that yesterday in Michigan, for instance, UM, they've been seeing with so many people home from work in school, they've been seeing an explosion in visitation at certain fishing access sites and recreation areas, to the point that they have taken to closing some because people are going to these fishing spots, like I like one like Tippy Dam, or used to fish Steelhead and Walleye going to some of these fishing spots um and not able to practice responsible social distancing at the fishing spots, and they've had to close it down because people are too crowded. I was talking to a firefighter here in our own town and they closed one of the local ski hills. But you can still go there, you know, the the oftentimes ski hills around public land, around national forest land, so the summertime you can go wander around up there. Uh, they closed the lifts, like close the lodge, vending services, all that and shut it down, but you can still just go up there and sled or ski on the hill. And they had put around some like guidelines about how to handle this, and that you'd go up and like skin up, ski down, don't linger, and that somehow turned into a hundred and fifty people having a party on the balcony of the lodge, and so then they're forced to come in and consider, uh, how much are people able to just be smart and how much you need to come in and institute a nanny state because people are have a hard time understanding sort of the spirit of what's trying to be accomplished. Nebraska suspended new sales of nonresident turkey licenses. So if you already hold a spring turkey license in Nebraska and you're a nonresident, you can go hunt. But I believe as of yesterday or the day before so uh, as of like March thirty one or thirty or something in there, they weren't selling any more non resident turkey licenses. Uh, Washington shut down resident and non resident canceled some of the early bear hunts. Is that correct? That's correct? What are some other examples you've got you guys are seeing here? Um? Well, I just buddy mine, who's one of the very accomplished, awesome anglers at the Big Horn Angler down there in Fort Smith, Montana, just took a picture of some concrete barricades that Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks boat ramps there on the on the Big Horn. No, seriously, as well as we're talking, um, so, I imagine we're gonna hear some news on that here pretty quick. The here's the here's the thing that's been irking me. And it came to light again yesterday when I was looking at the Nebraska executive order. UM, and everybody who's listening to this, follow the link and read the actual executive orders for all of this stuff, because it is just too easy to sensationalize these orders, uh in whatever media. UM. There's a lot of passion involved. But the in the list of executive orders for the state of Nebraska, there's also an executive order to allow drive up mixed drinks. And how we can determine the drive up mixed drinks is a stronger benefit to the health of the population of Nebraska then running around hunting turkeys. I'm and we were talking about non residents, right, But it's like, we're gonna lay this thing on health. Let's get real healthy. And I apologize to the business owners on this. I used to sling a lot of drinks down at Red at the bar in Missoula, Montana. I believe they're doing mixed drink cocktails to go now too. So yeah and so so if you go to our website they got you'll you'll find a banner this COVID Night team changes the hunting and fishing regulations, and it's kind of like it's it's amazing to look at what this sort of I'd love to understand it better. The different approaches. Yeah, New Jersey, Like do we talk about New Jersey's trout season ahead of schedule? Like in in Wyoming, if you want to register your bear a black bear baiting site, you're supposed to be able to go in tomorrow and start registering it. And you normally would go into an office fishing game office to register your bait site. They're trying to work out a way to some new siezures that they'll they'll delay by two weeks, some new procedures where you can register your sites online and not have to come into an office. Yeah, I believe the State of Idaho, Um, you know the same deal. You gotta you gotta have a permit for your bait. Um they had it set up. I feel like earlier this week or end of last week where it was you had to set an appointment um to come in and and do that. I would assume they're going to switch to online. Um, you know the at the point like I'm sure we're gonna get into a lot of this. But I don't think any angler outdoors person can have the mindset that this isn't gonna happen, because it's it hasn't happened yet. Uh, just like we self police for poachers pretty darn well and people who throw trash out like we gotta we gotta self police for social distancing. And if that means going to the next fishing access site down the road because the one that you want to go to is to too crowded, you better move on down the road, because you know, it's these examples, these bad examples that are set in the precedent for the entire state. Um, it's a it's a tough I mean, it's a really tough spot for our community because you have um people who just by the fact of what they're engaged in, just people who are like, don't do well being cooped up and confined. And when you look at being outdoors, is this place where you can kind of find some space for yourself, right and just get away from it all. And then people start pointing out ways in which, um, it's not safe because the overcrowding. It just gets like it gets intimidating, and you don you want to be a good player, right and and be supportive, and like I said, we got had a quarantine to travel quarantine UM and and have just stuck our immediate families, spent the last two weeks engaging with no one besides me and my wife and our three kids. So you're a good player. But then you look at some of this stuff and it winds up being uh, yeah, it winds There's there's aspects of this to drive at home for everybody, and there's a there's a risk here of sounding callous. Uh, there's immense amounts of suffering happening. UM. People are dying, people are losing family members, and I'm not losing sight of that. But as we stayed to pass around political conversations and otherwise this we try to in this show stick to UM the ways in which world events and political events and national events impact a like segment of our existence. And this segment of our existence we're talking about here is um hunting and fishing and other outdoor activities. So that's why our focus is there rather than talking about you know, lack of ventilators that a state might be experiencing or overcrowding in hospitals. Like that's us real and that's what's going on, and that's the news you can get. But we're trying, you know, we haven't admittedly limited focus. Um, South Carolina, is it too early to I'm just saying, like the tie in for like conservation minded folks is like, we're we're dealing with people on a population level, not you as an individual. And it's going to be unfair for all of us at certain times because we're What's happening, whether you want to believe it or not in some cases, is we're talking about people as a as one giant entity, not you as an individual who, um, you know has all your turkey hunting stuff ready to go, and um your governor says you can't go turkey hunting. You know it's it sucks. I hate it, but man, you gotta find some some ways, some positive ways to focus that energy. Yeah. I had been personally, I had been for nine months planning a trip up to an area called the high Line, which is some of the lowest human population densities that can be found in the lower forty eight AH and just kind of a couple of days ago realized it wasn't gonna happen, but officially pulled the plug on it this morning. And you know, I could load my truck up in my camping gear up, and my kids up here with food that we already have in the house, grab a box of latex gloves, and do nothing but pump gas with a latex glove on and be up there camping. But just something about the fact that it's a four or five hour drive made it feel like I was sort of not within the spirit of that. I was not within the spirit of what it is we're trying to accomplish here. I think your spot on. But then you can think about it. It's like I will have interaction with no one. I'll buy a tank of gas. You'll put the effort into having interaction with no one as well. Oh but I think no, I think. I think the reason not to do that, though, is that you know, as limited as the risk is, and the risk might be higher that someone's gonna get hurt just throwing snowballs at each other at your house or get cut with a knife, but just getting on the road and traveling that far away from your house and getting away from your community, like you just sort of opening your yourself up to a little bit more unknown own and that unknown could turn into something bad, and then you know, you could be stressing the system that we're trying not to stress right now. Yeah, I got it. South Carolina, Um, all the lottery hunts on the w m as have been canceled. North Carolina, some state parks and then boat launches and game lands on some state parks closed to public access. National parks are shutting down. Arches and canyon Land National Parks closed until further notice. Glacier National Park closed until further notice. You know, this makes me think of it's something that a really interesting experience that happened to me my brother years ago, is we had a horrible fire season. This is twenty year as ago. Maybe we had this horrible fire season and there are huge areas of big areas of national forest that had been shut down and you couldn't get into them, and they had been closed for In some cases they've been closed for upwards of a month weeks or a month, and the closures on these national forests extended into archery elk season, and we were actually heard some rumors that they might be removing some of the barriers and opened some of these things back up. And we'd sort of driven down to hunt on spec based on rumors we heard, and we were driving up. We were driving up of access road to a chunk of National forest and actually shot the ship with the uh forest ranger who's taken down the barricade like we're the first truck through as he's opening up this thing. They've been opened forever. And I'm not I'm not joking, man, this is a place we had hunted pretty heavily. I'm not joking. We got to the there's a big meadow at the trailhead. There's a big meadow there where um, guys will like when they guys will put up hot wire lines to crawl their horses and stuff when they're packing in. There's elk in the trailhead, right, So you imagine the impact of like, uh, you know, Glacier National Park being closed, and um, you imagine the impact of some of these stretches of river and stuff that just like wouldn't get hit and maybe these are places that just get fish three sixty five days a year, right, And what that's gonna look like later if all of a sudden, let's say it's stuff stays closed. What what it would be to have it closed for a month and then get back in there um down the line, just like some more interesting stuff, is it? Uh yeah? West Virginia suspended fishing license blows my mind. Fishing open to the public with or without license, You still gotta follow bag limits. Michigan suspends all charter fishing and guide operations at least until April. I got a buddy here who's a guide, uh not close here here in Montana, and he's all this trips are canceled. He's scraping up odd jobs, painting houses, doing yardwork for people right now. Just immediately felt the crush. Oh yeah. In Oregon, as of midnight, Columbia River closed to all salmon and steelhead fishing. They did it to maintain solidarity with the state of Washington, as two states shared this fishery. So you picture there, right, You can't fish in while Shehington, but you just go over the bridge whatever, buy an Oregon license and start fishing the same river mains closing state park certain state parks Washington. You can't pick clams either, so they're not just picking on rod and reel fisherman, Yellowstone closed, Grand te Town National Park closed. Miss suspended all fishing license requirements. So Missouri is pretty funny. The fine print says you have to be in good standing with the Missouri Department of Conservation, as in, if you have a previously revoked fishing license, that's great. You can't you can't legally fish even when nobody has a fishing license. So if your privileges are suspended, you're like, that's really interesting. I love it what people think of they're good stuff. Where some guy I was like, yeah, but what about people who aren't supposed to buy a license? Can they fish? And someone's like, yeah, good catch, let's write down. Can you imagine being the conservation officer trying to track those folks down. Yeah, so dude that you know, it's like, it's like, dude, you can't fish. It's like, what, there's no license requirement right now. I know I can't buy a license, but I don't need it right now. Wisconsin, here's interesting. Wisconsin waves all fees for state parks and trails. Though the state is under a shelter in place order, the order recognizes outdoor activity is essential, so come one, come all, No fees at state parks. Florida all state parks are closed. Oregon all state parks closed. So I wonder if I'm sure this has to play in somehow. It's like the impact of people on those individual park systems. Right, It's like we've all seen I haven't been Yellowstone in years, but so many pictures and so many stories at Yellowstone, and people are so packed in around everything and wildlife spottings and bear jams and all that stuff. Um, And maybe some of these state parks like they just don't have that many visitors or don't have a density of visitors in some of these areas, and that's why they get to stay open. The um. Well, you know, like Florida, that's a crowded ass place with a lot of boats. You know how Florida we're talking earlier that Washington says that k no fishing in Florida. The governor issued an executive order requiring all recreational boats to remain at least fifty ft apart. Wow. So there you're sort of you're you're in that case, you're sort of trying to work with people, but you're also putting um, you're also giving people a lot of room to to screw up or not. You're treating people like grown ups, and they don't always do well. They don't I mean when they get treated like grown ups unfortunately. But I but I love it's a great I love it. I mean, if it works, it's like it's it's you know, it's it's opening up. It's opening up to give people some room to still operate and and and and try to find some mental health um while still following through on the objectives of the state to keep people apart. Yeah, it man, it's it's just so like you know, working outside Glacier National Park for a long time, the the park is there and it's beautiful and awesome, but you get to see firsthand how reliant people are on the services provided by the National Park Service or provided by the vendors approved by the National Park Service. What you mean trash cans? Like you're staring at this unbelievable mountain ranch up on McDonald Pass going to the Sun Road, and it is absolutely breathtaking, gorgeous, and there's mountain goats and stuff like that, and then you drop your gaze a little bit and instead of people seeing a very full trash can, and being like, oh, I better doing something else responsible with my trash. My refuse like hanging on to it a little bit longer until we find an empty trash can, uh down the road maybe or down the sidewalk. They just chuck it there next to the gas can or gas or sorry to the trash can, or pile it up on top and the wind blows up and takes it away. And it's like, I just see, like people are so reliant on those services clean bathrooms, you know, all this infrastructure that has to be manned by people, and we get to this spot where it's like, okay, well, why do these uh, these folks have to be you know, potentially in harm's way, um to provide those services that we know people expect when they go to a national park and a lot of state parks, a lot of fishing access sites, um. And so I do wonder if there's some park superintendents that are weighing in on this to the governor and they're like, you know, we we don't have problems with people here, so we'd like to remain open. I wonder if they're making a decision or if it's like, you know, we are so understaffed and so under budget under the best of circumstances here because the crowds that show up behave like such pigs that we'd prefer to close. It's funny you mentioned the garbage thing, because like in raising kids, we try really hard to make them aware of that kind of thing, you know, like how you handle your personal refuse, and that when we eat in a restaurant, we make them get down on the ground and clean up, and to police their area around their plane sea before they get off the plane, and not just be that. Ah. Someone will get it, like I make him get down and crawl around under the table at restaurants. I love that picking their mess up, dude, because if you don't pound it into him now though, it's like they'll never get it. It's so funny you bring that up, like the overflowed trash can, and people are like, I can't just throw it on the ground. I'll set it down there and my piece of trash will displace some other piece of trash that will land on the ground. But no one can say I didn't try, Yeah, man, did I? I Man? I'm probably just complaining for the sake of complaining, lamenting, but man, I've been thinking about that a lot for some reason, Like, I mean, are we bringing some of these closures upon ourselves because as a group, we have been behaving so poorly in some of these places. Hey, did we hit it? Uh? Yeah, we already hit New Jersey ten days ahead of scheduled trout season. Trotty're gonna be feeling the pressure. Uh, ca'l tell everybody about Well, first off, let me let me start with this. Um oh, you know what I want to tell you guys about real quick, A little update non COVID update is, Uh, after eleven months of waiting, eleven months of incubation, I got my suppressors, my silence, so I had two silencers suppressors. It's funny because ever used to call them silencers. But it's like, you know how you have the death tax in the estate tax, and it's the same thing, and the word you use depends on your viewpoint about said tax. Uh, if you support the tax, She's like, let's call it him in the state tax because that makes it seem like you're just hitting rich people and that's cool. And then dudes with enough assets that they're going to be hit by such attacks called a death tax, because that makes it seem like, well, dude, you can't tax the man upon it is death. That's not fair. So you use different words to sell your viewpoint. What had historically been silencers, um, which is a miss I'll admit is a misnomer. UM. Silencer doesn't make your gun silenced. Uh, it suppresses the sound and you still have the sonic crack, you know, if you're using most most ammunitions faster than the speed of sound, and so you still have a sonic crack, a loud noise bre either way. Suppressors, so what you're supposed to call him? A year ago, I got two suppressors of twenty two caliber in the parlance like you'd say it can. I got a twenty two caliber can and a thirty cow can UM. But you can't bring them home with you. Like you can go down to the to the you can go down to the sporting story. You can go to Walmart right and buy a rifle and take it home with you. But if you want a device to make it not so damn loud, you have to get a special a T A T F permit for it. Um, And you go down to like an FFL and they receive your cans, they receive your suppressors, and then you fill out all these forms and you send it off in the apparent. I don't know if it's just I don't know what it is that the story goes that the a t F is so backlogged and suppressor forms that it's taking them that long to do their end of the deal and get your form back. So I dropped off my two suppressors and waited eleven months. Then all of a sudden, I get a call from the sporting goods store that I can come down and take possession of my suppressors. People, and there's a lot of countries in Europe where it's super hard to get a gun, but you can go down to the equivalent of your local Walmart and buy yourself a suppressor. So it's just like they can't believe. Some people can't believe that in Americas, like I can't believe you can hunt. Were one of those. And then I remember talking to a guy in Scotland and him saying to me, I can't believe you can hunt without a suppressor. So I haven't done any hunt with mine yet, but I now am the proud owner of two suppressors, which Yanni. In your situation of gunshots downtown when trying to scare off looters, are trying to scare off burglars, you could have had a probably a much more intimidating sound were they aware that you were up there with a suppressor shooting warning shots. That scare me more. I'd be more scared because I'd have a different vision of who it was that was wielding the firearm. I'd be more like, Huh, this isn't gonna work out well for me. I can't wait till the day that we can just when you buy a rifle, you can just buy the suppressor with it. I'm gonna have it on all of my guns. It's funny because let's say guns like the people that resisted like and I understand the arguments against it. There's an argument against it that it makes the that you could commit a crime without that lot as loud of that telltale crack right, and burglars, murderers, what have you are gonna be like less inclined to shoot because the guns damn loud. It will alert people to the right. That's a reasonable argument. Then there's a really reasonable argument that poachers will be emboldened because there's not that telltale gun shot often the you know, often the night that a game warden might hear. And in fact, we were talking to a game order on him as the game warden in Missouri one time, and he was saying he personally didn't like suppressors because he gets a lot of work done based off you know, towards dusk, there's that one rifle shot off in the distance and he's like, huh, something about that seems fishy, and he heads over there to investigate, and he was saying, without the report, um, he feels that his ability to do his job would be compromised. So there are those arguments. But I wonder, let's say that for whatever reason, guns just weren't loud, right, that somehow the mechanics of of a gun going off wasn't loud. Would there be people pushing for regulations that you need to put a thing on your gun to make it louder. No, probably not. So the fact that someone might want their gun to not be so loud seems reasonable if we could achieve it with different powders. Somehow, some scientists developed a gunpowder uh that just for whatever reason, I'll understand the mechanics of it made it so. It just didn't so damn loud when it went off and people started using it, would they be bummed out? Would they say, now, no, no no, no, no, you gotta stick with the super noisy gun powder. It's interesting, like, hey, I noticed that when you shoot your muskeet there's not a blinding cloud of smoke. Uh what you got there? That's called smokeless powder. That's some regulator wo be Like, you know, I want you guys to go back to the real smokey guy. I liked it better when you couldn't see ship after your shot. I had a fella right in the other day. He was kind of getting spicy with me because he was wondering why I hadn't brought up talked about the fact that, uh, everybody should have suppressors and your on your on your conservation show. Yeah, And I'm just like, how I don't have one. I don't even apply for big game tags. That set me up for that much disappointment of waiting for eleven months. Um, you know, I'm like, when it becomes easier, I'll have one. But right now, I'm like, I just got I don't like filling out forms that set me up for a lot of waiting. So oh, to be honest with you, I did it as much as just because I wanted to explore the processes anything else. It was a learning experience. Oh yeah, man, because you hear so much complaining. I mean, I'm here like I haven't even tried because I've talked so many people that have complained so much about it. I'm like, man, that doesn't seem like it's worth my time. So there's this still there's an ill fated bill out there called the Hearing Protection Act, and that's like a name for an act where you'd be like, oh, who the hell could argue against that? But it would be Um, it would remove a lot of the red tape and and remove a lot of the red tape around suppressors. Uh do they want to touch on? Everyone knows me and you're honest, are running for president, which is going pretty well, um, Ronella tells. And we launched our campaign. There's the issue of where we stand on campaign finance reform, and we had always said that, you know, our campaign finances were reformed because you know, how you can go and buy a Maga hat you can buy and make America grade again. Hat. I saw recently that you could enter a drawing to win a Maga hat signed by President Trump, right, and they sell the mega hats um and it raises money for Trump's reelection. Bid. I don't know if you can buy a Biden hat. I haven't seen anybody running around. I never seen one guy yet wearing a Biden hat. But let's just let's just assume maybe you can buy yourself a Biden hat. Um. What that money does is it goes to support the campaign. But Ronella tells is different because when you buy our stickers, hats, t shirts, yard signs, what have you, we take all the profits from those sales and don't line you know, don't use it to to stock our own campaign coffers, but we use it to plow our profits into our Land Access Initiative and cal tell them all about it, alright. So the Ranella who tell us campaign merchandise, any purchase of that merchandise, the profits from those sales will go into our Land Access Initiative fund. That fund will be utilized when we can find that opportunity that fulfills the campaign promise, which is giving you us we all more or better access to hunting and fishing. So if you know of a property or a landowner or an area that could benefit from let's say, an easement or a boat ramp or a trail or something that accomplishes this goal, then let us know. And you can do that by going to uh the Rinella who tell us website and filling out a very simple form um and uh and and yeah hopefully we can we can keep this thing going so that that's that's the program. But we're all really excited about it, and we've got a bunch of submissions um already what kind of submissions are coming in? Um, Well, because of the design of the form we have, UM, you know, it's it's it gets to be pretty pointed. You know, we're we're asking for um, pretty pretty good details of of the peace or pieces uh that that folks are submitting. So, UM, you can't just write in and say, boy, I'd really like to get to this place, and I can't right now. You have to write in and say, hey, here's the name of this landowner. This is that they would be amicable to talking about and easement or this property is for sale or this property will be coming up for sale, and it backs up to those types of situations. We need a hot lead, is what you're saying, Really need a hot lead. Yeah. And because the nature of this and what everybody else deals with two is I can't really be like, well, this one particular property that's up for sale right now is just a real jam. And if we were to get a hold of that, we'd provide access to twenty acres for the low, low price of because I don't want some you know, real self centered son of a gun to move in there and scoop you, scoop all of us, Steve, scoop all of us. Yeah, got it. So the way to support the land access initiative go again if you go to the to the metator dot com, the meat eater dot com all one word uh go there. In addition to COVID nineteen changes the hunting and fishing regulations, which includes park access and all that kind of stuff we've been talking about. You can go there and find our runella potels things support us Better Hunting and Fishing for America Sports campaign. Sorry for the interruption, Steve, but it's under the conservation tab. If you click on that, and then and and then there's a drop down menu and the bottom uh option is Land Access Initiative, And that'll take you to the page where you can all your answers about what we're talking about will be answered. Sorry, all your questions will be answered. Yeah, pull really well across the country. Um, better hunting and access or better hunting and fishing for America with our Land Access initiative. Uh oh, you know one last thing I want to talk about, and then I just want to make sure he's got a chance to chime in with he's got A guy pointed out that all the talk we used to have about the Michigan hello, um, which is the practice, and it's it's a national practice of giving people the bird. I gave you guys one today when I said, as a way of saying what's up, you flip someone off. They were talking about this guy wrote in saying it's um, that's a very uh zeitgeisty way to say hi, because it eliminates, it eliminates contact. You shake someone when you say hi. By shaking someone's hand, you're exchanging a massive amount of germs. But when you give him the Michigan hello, there's no exchange of germs, and it's also it's a twofold message. You're saying hello, Oh, but there's also a little bit of it don't come near me mixed in. So when you when I see you and I throw you the bird, I'm saying like, hello, keep your distance. Yeah, you're eliminating the confusion of all those extra fingers in the air of a traditional high exactly. Yeah. So this guy was saying that the Michigan hello is really like a thing that we should all be paying attention to and using right now. And I've been up in my usage considerably, Johnnie, what else you got. Have you taught your kids about what the middle finger means? Yeah, well I didn't tell them, like they know that they're not supposed to do it, and then if one of them they know you're not supposed to do it, they don't. I didn't like put it. I didn't verbalize it. They know it's an insult, and they know that to watch each other, and if they catch one another inadvertently with their middle finger out for whatever reason, like for whatever, they're holding their cup in such a way that makes their middle finger appear to be out, they will then tattletale on that person for putting their middle finger up. They feel that it's like, regardless of intent, regardless of scenario, keep your middle finger in line with its neighbors. Got it? Uh? Sorry, what were you gonna ask me? Just what if you got any final things? I missed you? Sudamn bad? Ye? Honest, this almost brings a tear to my eye. Man, this is the longest we've This isn't many years. This is the most we've been apart. Oh, has has to be. Here's something that comes to mind. Man. We have some neighbors that simply just can't seem to live without deliveries every day. And uh, I feel bad for the FedEx and ups folks that have to uh come to people's houses and possibly come in contact with people for bullshit that they probably don't need. Limit your buying, you don't need nothing right now. But but but let me let me counter that for a minute, because, um, you might want to ask these people if they want to continue, if they like having their job right now, and that we want to continue some economic activity in this country. Um, and if we determine that there are certain ways in which there can be some economic engagement that minimizes risk. Sure, I don't know what I want to tell the guy from fed Ex or a guy from UPS that, uh, it's too bad you're working, and that you should be like people that work in restaurants who have no income right now. Yeah, No, I just feel only I only feel bad for him if he's thinking, like, man, I'm getting put into a situation I don't want to be in because of what's going on. Yeah, but I hope that they have I hope that they have some practices they do too, you know, they have some practices they were able to use to stay as safe as possible. Sure, hopefully they're heating them. Um, hopefully everybody's heating them. Um. But I don't know. You know, we did the other night. I don't know. Oh it was from butcher box. I had like, uh, maybe forty chicken wings in my freezer. Uh, you know, because everybody's been finding these little gems in their freezers, uh during these times and everybody's got more time to go digging around, and I haven't had forty chicken wings. My girls are six and eight, and they had they had no idea what a chicken wing was, and so we I made barbecue sauce. I made karaoke sauce, and then a classic just you know, hot sauce and butter, you know, spicy chicken wing sauces just for your family. Well, the barbecue sauce was already in the fridge, so still ambitious. That's ambitious. But Matt, I tell you, we had such a fun evening of frying and eating chicken wings and talking through the whole chicken wing thing. I had to tell them about there's whole restaurants out there that will go to when hopefully the world goes back to normal where all you can eat is chicken wings. And uh, they're really blown away with a nice fun evening, uh with chicken wings. So next time you go grocery shop and see if Costco has probably got a giant bag of frozen wings you can get. Did you try to tackle buffalo wings? Buffalo? No? No, I did not. I did not. I should have. If you've got kids, UM, I think it's helpful right now to imagine how you're approaching this whole thing with them. We kind of went to a two weeks ago. We had to go to a UM information on a need to know basis with our kids, because we started to feel that it was getting a little it was getting a little much in a little chaotic. Um. I'm not one. I'm not inclined to. I don't like the sugarcoat stuff for my kids. My kids understand, um. You know, we talked very openly about sex and drugs and rock and roll, you know, as much as we can around home. Like we don't have a lot of we don't create a lot of blind spots for him. But it's it's I'm trying, We're trying to try to, you know, have this be not the least not traumatic. Um, a lot of big changes in lot of things going on, but we try to keep a pretty positive spin on it. And I think that one good way to to help do that is just around evening meal time, we've been working, um, cooking together a lot. I had the kids last night make They did everything to make venice and meatballs, you know, like from taking bread, putting the food processor, making the bread crumbs. They did the whole process. So we've been doing a lot of that. Just some good education there and uh so I think you've got kids try hard, to try hard, to to take advantage and in the best way possible to take advantage of the situation to maybe do some things you don't normally have time to do with your youngsters, and hopefully they'll not come out of this, uh you know, any more scarred than you need to be from being removed from their friends and their schools for so long. Yeah, it's overwhelming for him too. We we I think we roughly did that at the same time because we uh I had mentioned to you that we had quit listening to the morning news while everybody was having breakfast because the kids are just having too many sort of scary thoughts and asking questions about their elders and uh, the longevity of their elders lives, etcetera. So that's funny because that's where we want up getting hund up. We want up getting hung up on grandma's and grandpa's. Yeah, now I think you go, it's worth mentioning to that. The whole reason that you're work, you're kind of beat by the COVID and you're forced to do this podcast is because we're taking it seriously the sole social distancing thing and uh, you know, locked up in our houses and trying to you know, do be doing our civic duty. To hopefully help this thing uh get better soon, and uh hopefully everybody else has taken it as seriously. Yeah, I'll tell you, um, you know, when you guys first got back to Mexico and and uh I brought over a grocery run for you guys, uh, and and maintaining the social distance, and and my little buddy, your youngest you know, easily eight out of ten times I come to your house, I you know, pick the little guy up and give him a big hug, and having to stop him short and the three of us yelling at him not to come any closer, like wait, wait, wait, wait wait, Yeah, what a horrible I mean, damn near cried on the way home, like that is just it's terrible. So I really do feel for you parents out there, because I'm seeckeningly independent and selfish over here in my in my garage. So yeah, it's hard on everybody. Man, um, I really you can't even tell you it's I think that if it was happening for natural reasons, like if I was just up at my fish shack for a couple of weeks with my family, I wouldn't be like, man, do I miss my friends? But just knowing that you can't, um carry on the way you carry on, and that I, you know, not able to hang out with you guys. It's like, uh yeah, it's like it's it's it's hurtful. It's it's hurt I don't like it. I miss everybody. Um. When this is over, I think we'll all probably look at each other differently. Um, But yeah, we're gonna wrap it up for now and take care of your take care of your family, take care of your friends, take care of your community, take care of your country, you know, kind of in that order. Be respectful when you get outside, but get outside. Yeah, we'll all get through this. Talk to you guys soon to