00:00:00 Speaker 1: So like I co founded under Armour, people could say that was a big success. I've been involved with some other things that you could say with success. I have never felt successful ever once until about two weeks ago, sitting in Alaska overlooking the mountains, looking at my team move a bunch of hunters in and out. 00:00:20 Speaker 2: We just had a bear hunter come in. 00:00:23 Speaker 3: Really cool outfit. 00:00:24 Speaker 1: It's close to my heart, It's where I want to be. It's outdoors at its best. And I was like, man, Kip done something, like the first time ever I've said that to myself in my brain. Why all that time have I never felt successful? Is because I think when you put yourself in an environment that's closest to who you want to be, it unlocks things that you Otherwise. I'm not corporate, I don't like cities. I don't want to run a rat race. I'm pretty smart, but I don't you know, I don't need to like move my smarts in business anymore, but I felt like for many many years I had to, and I think it just unlocks unlocked something that I had never felt before. 00:01:13 Speaker 2: Out here. The stakes are real. Effective. Preparation starts with fitness, but it requires so much more. This show explores the tools, knowledge, resilience, and skills needed to be ready when it matters the most. Join me Rich Browning as we apply the decades of wisdom I've gained through training and competition to hunting in the back country. This is In Pursuit brought to you by Mayhem Hunting in Pursuit podcast. Uh Rich Frohning here and we got Josh bird bergeron Kip Folks. 00:01:56 Speaker 3: Thanks for having me. 00:01:57 Speaker 2: Yeah, he can. Man, appreciate you coming out, dude, this is an well I don't know about that, No, dude, it is that can man, I mean, uh, geeking out a little bit. You know. I remember my first under arm or shirt, you know, when I was I think she would have been in middle school. It was the coolest thing ever. It was a red just you know, compression, super super tight. I was thirteen years old. I think got it on baseball. My parents. My mom had a rule Hibbitt sports, Hibbit sports. Okay, my mom had a rule that you couldn't buy anything name brand, or she would never buy me anything name brand. I had to buy it myself. So I was like one of my first name brands. So man, it's pretty cool to uh, thank you. Yeah, So we'll let you kind of tell your story of like you know, most most guys and girls listen to this, they are gonna know who you are. But for those who don't know, you know what what uh? Where'd you get your start, where'd you grow up? Those types of things. 00:02:50 Speaker 1: It's kind of, I mean, a simple story. It was a military brat, moved around a bunch of my dad's a Vietnam vet. I was born in Utah, lived in places like Hawaii, Main Rhode Island, Virginia. We bounced around, even lived in Bermuda for three and a half years. Somehow I fell in love with lacrosse, and then I went to Essex Community College outside of Baltimore, and then I transferred into Maryland as a walk on. I played lacrosse at Maryland and I met my partner, Kevin Plank at Maryland and he was just starting this idea of this tight fitting compression shirt. 00:03:27 Speaker 3: Which we had a bunch. 00:03:27 Speaker 1: He had a bunch of studies that wearing a tight fitting shirt actually helped athletes, and at the time there was a cotton shirt and nothing else. And we worked out of his grandmother's basement for four or five years. Then we moved to Baltimore and twenty one years later in five billion dollars. We had a nice run and we made a lot of great product. We like making stuff for athletes. Our motto back in the day was made by athletes for athletes. Now, as you get older, the athlete anymore. But still yeah that you know, it's crazy to look back at it. I don't talk about it a lot, but I mean, what a run man's and guys like you buying it for the first time. 00:04:12 Speaker 3: We kind of. 00:04:12 Speaker 1: Started in football and lacrosse and hockey, but quickly baseball and a bunch of other sports. And for a long time, it was just a it was just a tight fitting shirt, and I mean we made a ton. 00:04:22 Speaker 2: Of them, and man, it was just that brand. You know, like for a long time it was such you know, that was what you wore underneath your uniform, underneath your jersey, and you just wanted that. 00:04:31 Speaker 1: It was kind of funny. You look back now and there's so much performance apparel. You could go to Target, Walmart, you could go to Hibbits, you could go online, you could buy training tops, moisture management. 00:04:43 Speaker 3: But back then, that was it. That was it. 00:04:45 Speaker 2: It was either cotton or us, that was it. 00:04:47 Speaker 4: And you had to protect your house. 00:04:48 Speaker 1: And protect the protect I cannot I cannot take any credit for that that tagline. 00:04:53 Speaker 3: But I tell you what, man, that it's sold. Dude, that worked. 00:04:57 Speaker 2: I mean it was you know you're talking about we've talked a couple of things with branding. Man. That was it at the time, Like it spoke to I think the younger generations, the kids and the athlete, right, and so you've built a bunch of other things on branding, and so you know were you was that your kind of influential piece to under armor. 00:05:17 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's funny is I've ran operations for many years, so I made all the product I designed, developed, I had our innovation team. Later in my career, I kind of got really good at operations and I was asked to become the CMO, the chief marketing officer, and I kind of took that same approach of like measure, develop, goal setting, but I took it to branding. That's cool, and it's like branding is nothing more than a bunch of tactics, and then you measure the tactics to see if they're working. And so actually, later in my career, I kind of got really heavily involved in the branding and marketing. I would say my partner, Kevin was he ran that for many many years and that that was his thing. I was the guy making sure we had. 00:06:01 Speaker 2: Inventor, which is not hell a hell of a job. 00:06:04 Speaker 3: Someone's always yelling at you. 00:06:06 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're yelling at somebody else. 00:06:08 Speaker 3: Yeah, supplier you h at. 00:06:10 Speaker 4: What stage did just start developing the hunting line? 00:06:14 Speaker 3: Yeah? 00:06:14 Speaker 1: So that was an interesting story. I've told this a few times, but not a lot of people knows I quit. I came in one day, super frustrated traveling all over the world making T shirts. I was like, I can't do it anymore. This is I'm running racket. I don't like what I do. And I said, I want my own division or I'm going to leave. And Kevin kind of looked at me and thoughtfully was like, well what do you mean? And he was I was like, I want sales, I want marketing, I want product, I want design, and I want to call it the Outdoor Group. And that was like two thousand and two, and we started the Outdoor Group and we took it to three hundred plus million, and it was like this little incubation of cool product within under Armour. We were growing faster, we had better margin, we were killing it. And then I kind of handed it over to some other folks and then I went and did some other big company stuff. But you know, when we started under Armor Outdoors, there was basically a bunch of cotton product at Walmart. Yeah, like basic stuff. And so we started the ridge Reaper line. We started like soft shell, waterproof, breatheable. We took what we saw going on in mountaineering and we pulled it into hunting. And since then some companies like sick You qu First Light have done amazing things. But I kind of snickered. I was like, hey, yeah, you guys didn't invent that. 00:07:38 Speaker 4: I bought under arm or stock don't have it anymore because of the hunting line. Oh really, yeah, I. 00:07:44 Speaker 2: Thought, I hope you sold it. I did sell, but I had a couple under arms, Like I got into waterfol heavily for a while, and you guys were big into it. 00:07:52 Speaker 4: It was the best. Yeah, So I was like, this stuff's gonna take off. 00:07:56 Speaker 2: So I remember what product you had? 00:07:58 Speaker 4: Uh, the my first white tail kit I bought. It was like a fleece. Inside it was. 00:08:05 Speaker 3: Logo, orange log Orange logan, orange logo. Yeah, that's great. 00:08:09 Speaker 4: It started with an A. It's like Ashton or something like that. 00:08:12 Speaker 2: I remember, remember. Yeah, Scott's got wore a pair of my hand me down. They were white tail pants in the mountains, and they did not end well for him. They were way too hot. Oh yeah, yeah, they're made for sitting, for sitting in the stand. They were not made for mountaineering. 00:08:28 Speaker 1: Western hunting and and and kind of eastern whitetail hunting. 00:08:31 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, totally way different products. Well cool, heck yeah, so what uh you know, what are you doing now? 00:08:39 Speaker 1: You know, it's funny. It's like you look at this weird career. I've kind of like stepped away from Footward Apparel and I and I started my own beer brand with Big Truck. That's been a blast, but I didn't know anything about it. So it's been a little bit of a warning curve. You know, distribution and and sails, and it's a two step distribution. You sell did we a distributor and then they sell to a retailer, and then the retailer sales to the customer. 00:09:05 Speaker 3: That's a difficult business. 00:09:06 Speaker 2: Model. 00:09:07 Speaker 1: So that's been a lot of headaches and a bit fun. And we have a brewery in Maryland and we've were in about six states. And then I bought an outfitter in Alaska called Bushwhack and that's been a blast. I'm in my second season. I'll be getting my guide's license next year, so you're welcome to become anytime. 00:09:25 Speaker 3: And then I sit on a couple boards. 00:09:28 Speaker 1: I sit on a board for Montana Knife Company with Jocko Fuel and business partners with Pete and Jocko on Origin. So I like a lot of everybody's like, wow, what are you doing today? And I like it because every day is different, different, and you know, a lot of it's the same consumer though if you look back at what I'm working on, it's like kind of this masculine outdoor consumer who likes to get after it. It's just different products for different occasions. 00:09:58 Speaker 2: All right, So let's talk about the the outfitting. Obviously this main mainly hunting. 00:10:03 Speaker 1: So you know something we talk you're buying a moose on right, let's do it. 00:10:09 Speaker 2: Let's do it. Sign it over we So something you said this morning and I didn't know this brown Bear and grizzly bear are the same thing, but there's like a dividing Line's. 00:10:20 Speaker 1: Yeah, I learned out a few years back to that's kind of our go to is bear and moose. We do some other things like fishing and things, but we really focus on it. And there's like an arbitrary line that scientists draw. It's a called one hundred miles from the coast. If it's past that, it's a grizzly. If it's inland, it's a brown bear. And they do have different diet. You know, you can have a mountain grizzly who's picking berries and chasing caribou, and then you got a brown bear who maybe he's eating fish and chewing on a whale carcass. So they can get much different sizes. And so the brown bear on the Peninsula of Alaska are famous and Kodiak for. 00:11:00 Speaker 2: The biggest bears and war bears. 00:11:01 Speaker 1: Okay, and we've seen some dandies and the grizzlies get good size too, But I would say the brown bear is when you see a big brown bear up close, it's significantly a different it's a different animal. 00:11:12 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, we were talking this morning, and you know, I said There used to be two things on this planet that I was afraid of, and that was being baried alive and sharks. I swam with sharks and I was fine. But then we watched a video of a grizzly bear. Grizzly or brown bear. I'm not sure actually, because I'm not sure if it was adred one hundred miles in or not being re released into the wild. I think you've seen that. You were talking abou. 00:11:31 Speaker 3: Yeah, it looked like a gris. It looked like a griz. 00:11:34 Speaker 2: The way how fast that thing is and how just so okay, we all. 00:11:39 Speaker 1: I use this as a as a kind of description or an analogy. Black bears climb, Even a big black bear can climb. 00:11:47 Speaker 2: You. 00:11:48 Speaker 1: Grizzlies can climb a lot of times. They'll push things over. They can climb if they need to. But think of like that big fat friend you have. Well he doesn't hit the gym as much as maybe he's fifty, maybe he's three hundred, maybe he's three fifty. 00:12:02 Speaker 3: That's a big dude. 00:12:03 Speaker 2: Big dude. 00:12:03 Speaker 1: Can he climb straight up a tree in three seconds? Now, when you see the power in which they move, it's it's mind boggling, but then the endurance they display, So if they want to chase a moose for four or five. 00:12:19 Speaker 2: Miles, they'll do it. 00:12:20 Speaker 3: They'll do it. 00:12:21 Speaker 1: So I've never seen a combination of power and endurance. And because of that's you know, to CrossFit and like that magic balance. It's too much power, not enough endurance. I would say that the brown bear, grizzly and mother nature has got to be one of the most impressive. Even when you look at some of the Western animals like elk and antelope, and you know they get tired getting chased by a. 00:12:44 Speaker 2: Grizzy run him down. I mean, you see all those videos all the time where a grizzly it doesn't catch saw day where they were man handling a bison, Oh yeah, bull saw that it was pulling it over. It was just pulling it over, which is pounds probably in the wild, twenty five hundred pounds. And it was just man handling this thing. So we see them, you know out here in the yard. To know how big are, we have two herd bulls, Teddy and Custard, and those things are super athletic, super powerful, and this grizzly is just like manhandling. 00:13:14 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the jaw, you know whatever, that closure strength that pounds per square inch, I mean it's almost a thousand pounds of pressure. 00:13:23 Speaker 2: So forget that hundred men versus a gorilla, hundred men versus a grizzly. 00:13:26 Speaker 1: Or how about just the grizzly and the gorilla, because yeah, I think when you start getting in close and you observe them, they lose a little bit of the mystique. They're they're pretty, they're pretty docile animals. They don't want to mess with you, they smell you, they're kind of out of here. 00:13:43 Speaker 2: Okay. Usually it's a wounded bear or a bear with them. 00:13:47 Speaker 1: Yeah, And and or you stubble come around a corner, and maybe, like if you're hunting out West and Wyoming or Montana and they're on a carcass, they can be a little defensive. We had a couple of guides get bluff charged by a bear who had taken one of our moose carcasses and we had come back and we didn't know he was on there, and you know the first instinct of the bear is like, hey, that's mine, get out of here, not really trying to hurt you. But you know when your two guys coming around a corner and you got a bear charging at you full speed. So have you seen Cam's movie. 00:14:26 Speaker 3: Yeah, so that ended. 00:14:27 Speaker 1: Up being my brother shooting at it at three yards and she had no life in her and she closed the distance between us in a second, and she was pretty bad off. So I can only imagine if she was full tilt man. So it's fun. I'm a little addicted to it. I like being out in the wilderness. You add the element of the bears, but honestly, our trophy hunt. 00:14:52 Speaker 3: Is a moose. 00:14:53 Speaker 2: It's crazy. So like if somebody walk us through the process. Somebody shows up, like usually it could be a day, could be three days to get to you guys, and then you show up and. 00:15:05 Speaker 1: It's usually a ten day hunt. He most likely doesn't go that long, but that's what we need. You got a day and a half on both ends for a hunting. You usually book it a year to in advance. So guys, this is not like, hey, I'm gonna do this next week. Guys kind of playing it out. They're thinking about which animals they want to get. They say, hey, I need to go to Alaska. I would say, you fly into Iliamna. Then we get you on a bush plane and then everything is weather dependent, so we can get you out when the weather's good, we can get you in when the weather's good. Once you're there, you're there. 00:15:37 Speaker 2: You're there. 00:15:38 Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people have they're not ready for that mentally, and either some people are great with it, they don't care. They think, hey, i'm here, I'm here, I'm plugged. And then you got that guy who is three days into it, and they struggle and we So a lot of our job is interviewing clients ahead of time to understand what we're getting into. Some guys want to leave early. Some guys will fake being sick. Yeah, we've seen it all man. Some guys we have monster moose a mile up the ridge and they won't. They're like, I'm tired, I want to hike. I'm like, you've made a lot of money for this. You can't dig deep? 00:16:18 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I will. You know, we get a little bit of everything. 00:16:22 Speaker 4: Now. 00:16:22 Speaker 1: We get some guys that are hardcore and they go out there and they smash it. One of our best hunts though, is our DIY moose hunt. 00:16:29 Speaker 2: Okay, guys are on their own, Yeah, we drop them off so you'll be come back ten days later and you see these big grins. 00:16:36 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, when they harvest something. We had a father's son from West Virginia. They had never been to Alaska before. They slammed a monster moose. That's awesome and they. 00:16:45 Speaker 3: Said they were miserable, but they loved it. 00:16:47 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's secondhand enjoyment, right, And when you're in it, it sucks. 00:16:50 Speaker 1: Alaska is it's something to be seen and you know, invited your team come out when you're ready. 00:16:55 Speaker 3: It's it's a blast. 00:16:55 Speaker 2: We'd love to. Yeah. The hard part with me is the younger kids in that age, but man, there'd be something special. Well. The hard part for us when we get into the hunting situation. You know, like a lot of guys midday kind of rest up and lay down. We want to just keep you know, probably screw it up most of the time hunting, but it's just so hard just. 00:17:14 Speaker 1: To sit a little bit, and sometimes you can't move, especially with moose and bear. If you go busting through, you're just putting your scent everywhere. 00:17:23 Speaker 2: We've learned that over the years, you know, and we're like, oh, if you know they're they're resting. We need to be finding them right. And we actually had a couple opportunities on some bedded bulls and if we could have been a little bit quicker on the draw, I've been all right, but yeah, more times than not, we're messing it up. You know. 00:17:39 Speaker 1: It's funny as I used to think, I was like this amazing spot and stock guy, and I've only shot I've tried many many times. I've only shot one ball in his bed and I've probably tried. 00:17:48 Speaker 2: It one hundred times a million. 00:17:51 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, and you can get in and there. I do like Western hunting, even Alaska, but like mel deer and elk, you can't replace it. 00:17:59 Speaker 3: Uh, you can't replace it. 00:18:00 Speaker 1: I mean I loved to white tail hume with my kids, but I don't know, there's just something about you know, you haven't been white their meal deer. 00:18:08 Speaker 2: Honey, I've not been not true meal deer hunting. We've we've had a mule deer tag when we were elk hunting. Yeah, never, yeah, but never. You know, elk is always. 00:18:18 Speaker 3: Animals. 00:18:19 Speaker 2: I've heard great things. I just man, we've been so you know my history as I started out, you know, I was in an outdoors family. But my dad was super impatient. All we had around here was white tail. So he's not going to go sit in the stand and take his impatient son to go sit in the stand. And so I had a buddy fifteen years ago. His dad was like, you should try turkey hunting. 00:18:40 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've seen some of your posts. 00:18:42 Speaker 2: I was in full in and so then from there, Elk is just a giant turkey. And so now it's been an obsession. 00:18:49 Speaker 4: You just met a lot of people mad. 00:18:51 Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, Campbell Cam will get here. 00:18:55 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I mean it's not the same. Now that I've elk hunted, I come back to Turkey and I'm like, oh, that was fun, but it's not the same. 00:19:00 Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of similarity. Yeah, you know, the auditory being able to hear the animal, which is like a little bit of like a sitting in the stand quiet. 00:19:10 Speaker 2: You can be offensive, yeah, versus And I don't want to say I don't want to offend the white tail hunters, but I feel like once you've made your plan as a white tail hunter, you're stuck. You're stuck in that. 00:19:18 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a strategy if you're doing like shots in the wind direction, but like really getting out and moving your feet. It's you know, I've shot a few white tail from the ground and it's a blast. But it's hard, man. It's like, you need this. I don't have the patience. I'll be I give guys a lot of credit. Sitting in the stand for twelve hours, that's. 00:19:35 Speaker 2: Hard, man. We did it in Illinois this year. I think we counted it up over five or six days. We're in the stand for forty hours, and I mean it's tough. I was losing my mind. We didn't see anything that was even harder. Part when we went to Oklahoma with Clay nukeom Me and Scott were like saddled in the same tree. So we were just, you know, hanging out all day. So were in one of the saturdy Yeah, were both saddled. I never used one of those. Is that pretty comfy? It's pretty fun. Yeah, I mean, because you can go on any tree you want. You know, there's some guys that'll that they don't like the saddles, but I like the fact that you can move around and get you know, you see a deer in a in his pattern and you missed the pattern and maybe you that evening you can go to a different tree, but if you're in a tree stand, you're kind of stuff. 00:20:21 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's a little bit more mobile. 00:20:23 Speaker 1: I'm curious to know, like, as you've gotten into it, and obviously the podcast relative to hunting is like because this is interesting, right, I go to a lot of the trade shows. I've been in the industry a long time and I see parts of the hunting industry and some of it is amazing. Some of it gets a little bit you know, too many trophy hunters trying to fake pictures and act like they're hardcore, but they're not. Have you gotten into like the you're trying to like fill all your North American animals. Have you thought about like sheep hunting. Have you gotten into all these different aspects or are you really just kind of focusing in on a few things that you love, dude, because there's so much pressure on these like, oh, you're not a big game hunter if you haven't done your North America twenty eight, twenty six, thirty eighteen. I don't even know. I'm not even that I'm not that into it. But you know, as you've got in the industry, is that as that been a thought. 00:21:14 Speaker 2: Bird can speak to it. I'm more of a like, I'm gonna shoot anything that I see. I'm they they'll have to talk me down off of stuff because I just like to hunt. Man. I just I enjoyed the meat side of it. I enjoy the pursuit side of it. You know, Scott will be like, hey, let's not shoot something on the first day if it's not at least you know, like elk wise, They're like, if it's not even we're in a good unit, like it, it's gonna be bilks or something. I'm like, I don't know if I can. You know, like these guys, man, I just like being out there. I love I love hunting. 00:21:42 Speaker 1: I love but anything that is like in the back of your head like wow, if I could do that one day, that is. 00:21:48 Speaker 2: Legit, I think, you know. I I'm really into the style of elk hunting right now. I love elk hunting. A moose is huge. I want to go up to Alaska. You know. The hard part we talked earlier is the kids and how long it would take for a trip like that. You know, sheep sounds awesome because it's just hard to get to and you know, I enjoy the challenge, but I don't have any of these, like, oh, I gotta have a Yeah, that's I don't even know what the hell of three hundred inch bul looks like in the wild, you know, Like I have a you'll know when you shoot, right, I have probably I don't even know if mine. It's a probably mid two fifties five by five is the first one I ever shot. Dude, I freaking loved it, you know, like I every and every time I walk by that mount, I remember the you know, the stories of us hanging out and how long it took and how hard it was. Man, I just I just enjoy being out. 00:22:38 Speaker 1: I think it's healthy, right because you're you're you have a huge voice in the fitness industry, and as you're coming in and really putting a stake into the kind of outdoor and hunting, I think it's good to have kind of just like a fun let's go after because I I will say, I struggle with parts of the hunting industry where they put all these labels on did it score? 00:23:01 Speaker 3: How big is it? 00:23:02 Speaker 1: And one of the reasons why I bought the Outfitter is I actually enjoy taking people out to hunt. H Yeah, it's great if you shoot a monster. And we shot some great bears and I was super excited this past season. But also we had some guys that had never been to Alaska, they never shot bears before. They shot like average bears, nothing big, and these guys and it's so funny. I had some guys that are like, dude, he's monstrous, and I'm sitting in the back mind I'm like, yeah, hey, dude, he's it's kind of a small bear. And the guy's like, but that's what it means to him. And I didn't say a word. I didn't say, hey, that's only a seven footer or that's an eight footer. I didn't say a word. I just sat there and smiled, like this guy really, he's like, I shot a monster bear. And I'm sitting here going that's what Yes, you did, No you didn't, because that's all that really matters. So I think it's good to have personalities come into the space and kind of lighten the load a little because I've been a part of it for a while. Man, it's like there's a little bit of underbelly alley of the Hunt space. 00:24:03 Speaker 2: Man. So we we did two archery hunts. We got two archery bulls this year, and then we went to our least third rifle season and I didn't I had a bull tag. I didn't even kill it. But my best friend he's killed a couple of bulls. And we get to this bowl and it was the first time I've ever been like, all right, I'm gonna let somebody else have the show, and I like me and Scott got there first, hyperventilated. He's hyperventilating. He's like he walks up and I'm like, do you want the stand? And he's like, wait what, Like he was shocked that I was going to give him the shot. I'm like, do you want the tripod? He's like, yeah, yeah, I'll take it. And then I'm trying to talk to him. He's like, I can't hear you. My heart's beating in my ears, and like, because we huffed it to get to this thing, we got to it first. Granted he'd seen it the day before. We think there was the same bult. He made a good shot and we got him, and you know, man, it was like hell, yeah, that was cool. That Yeah, you know, you're just part of it, right, yeah? Right? 00:24:53 Speaker 1: Sharing yeah, sharing is caring, but like when it comes outdoor pursuits. Man, I've done a bunch of it by myself. It never is the same when he's more fun with the team. 00:25:04 Speaker 2: Man. 00:25:04 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've done some backcountry stuff when I was all by myself and I was like miserable and I didn't even appreciate it. I was like, yeah, because I wasn't suffering with anybody. 00:25:12 Speaker 2: No, you need somebody to stuff with. Man, That's that's so true because like you know, usually Scott's with me or birdsmen with us on a couple, and it's just so much more fun because I look at it, you know, like he was like, oh you killed. I'm like, we killed because you know, we did it together. It's especially especially big game. Pack it out, or you'll like coming up with a plan, like me and Scott work well together because we've kind of grown and we've learned from the same guides or the same people that were like, oh we need to go over here, we need to do this. We fight, you know, like whatever and be like, oh, you're a dumb ass, We're not doing that, or he'll you know, well I think we should do this, and so you can make it fun. 00:25:44 Speaker 3: You can appreciate this. 00:25:45 Speaker 1: I've told this story a couple of times, but not too many people, and never on a podcast. But you know Cam real well. I started hunting with Cam. He had done some kind of hardcore hunting that he wanted to invite me to. So he invited me this spot in Wyoming, and his best friend Roy, who he grew up with, who's since passed away, who's a savage, was a savage, was on that same hunt. And my dad comes into town. We go to Wyoming, small town. We're gonna hike up into this pass, the twelve thousand feet and we're gonna do some backcountry hunting with Cam. We're in the local grocery store and we're kind of getting all of our stuff together, last minute supplies, and we see this guy kind of pushing a cart, a big guy, you know, wearing some sweats. He's got like an Alaskan T shirt on. He's throwing like gatorade, peanut butter, Snickers, Twinkie bars, all kinds of stuff. Didn't think anything of it. And then we get to the trailhead and we see that same guy getting out of his car shoving all that stuff in his backpack and we walk up to him, We're. 00:26:49 Speaker 3: Like, are you Roy. 00:26:51 Speaker 1: He's like, oh yeah, Roy, and we hit it off. He's like, I'm going over here. You guys are gonna meet Cam over there. I'll meet up with you in a couple of days. We're like, great take off. Two days later, he shows up in camp. He's got shorts on, I'm wearing everything I own. We're eating freeze dried meals. He's having peanut butter and gatorades. Doesn't even care, wearing no camouflage, killed a bull, packed it out himself, and then came over to help us. 00:27:19 Speaker 2: I have never felt. 00:27:20 Speaker 1: So inferior as an outdoorsman, and I was like, yeah, you need to toughen up a little bit. But that was like my first kind of experience with cam style of hunting. And it was funny because my dad and I had to leave and we left some meals for Cam and Roy because they ran out of food for two and a half days and they fought like over a Snicker's bar, so you know, like you can bond over that stuff, and then you know, that was like my one story with Roy that always sticks out like. 00:27:54 Speaker 2: Some savage Yeah, that and everything. 00:27:56 Speaker 1: You think you need yeah, you don't quite need, right, And I think, cause you'd be a better outdoorsman and you become more skillful, you actually bring less. 00:28:05 Speaker 3: I brought a lot. 00:28:06 Speaker 1: When I was younger, thinking I need every situation to get covered for. And as I gotten better, I find that I've gotten less and less and less and you get more. 00:28:16 Speaker 4: Yes, what would be some of those things that you used to bring compared to now? 00:28:21 Speaker 1: Man, I don't change clothes like I do, not bring any extra Yeah, maybe maybe an extra puffy here and there, you know, make sure you got your good rain jacket, emergency blanket, and a lot less food. I can go on so much less food than when I was. I'm still hungry. I just dig deeper and I don't want to carry the weight and and I think, if I don't have the food, it's not in my head to stop and eat, and I'll kind of like think through how to manage it better. 00:28:54 Speaker 3: But if it's there, I'm bored. 00:28:56 Speaker 1: I'm like, I gotta make camp, got to eat, you know, And it's so, you know, maybe some other survival stuff that weighed me down a little bit, some extra things here and there, but freaking knife, some firestarter, enough food and move on. 00:29:10 Speaker 2: I even giving up water treatment really yeah, like get sick. 00:29:18 Speaker 1: It's funny because the lasta we just drink out of the rivers, you know, so I get good at like what what looks like good water? And yeah, those are some of the things. 00:29:29 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this year we went on a couple uh you know more we went one with a guide and one with the Born and Race guys and we were just in a tent and yeah it wore the same pair of pants for five days and didn't even think anything of it. 00:29:44 Speaker 3: I'll carry socks and that's about. 00:29:45 Speaker 2: Yeah, socks, socks, underwear maybe to change every once in a while. 00:29:48 Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's funny once you get into the late season Alaska, like what we've learned or what I've learned from the guides uh that I've partnered with and my partner Tim Winslow, it's like you wear chest waiters, that's what you wear. Really you're gonna get wet, Yeah, so you might as just wear waiters all the time. So like you don't even bother like pulling out the hunting pants or like put on your rein gear. It doesn't need to be raining in Alaska. You walk through the bushes you're wet. Alders are ten feet tall, so like I get a nice pair of super right weight, yeah, lightweight stuff, not like the waterfowl with the big heavy. You could get some nice sims, lightweight waiters and you live in them, but you know what you're getting your tents. 00:30:34 Speaker 3: End of the day, you're dry. 00:30:35 Speaker 2: Oh yeah. 00:30:36 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:30:36 Speaker 1: So it's been fun to see some of the like long like guides that have been in Alaska a while. They definitely like I'm picking up on their tricks. Yeah, and that that was one of them. So I was like, uh, of course I show up and my waiters are brand new. Theirs look like they're thirty years old. I'm like ripping mine. Yeah, yeah, I don't look like I don't look like the Dingleberry with all brand new stuff. That's the worst feeling. 00:31:02 Speaker 2: Yea. Who the guy we were talking to, I forget what we were on. He's like, you can tell if your guy's how good they are a boy, how new or how old their stuff is. 00:31:10 Speaker 1: There's like a rite of passage with an Alaskan guide, and I'm sure it applies to a lot of Western states. If you have a jacket and it doesn't have patches on it. You're not a good guy. If you meet a guide and you're like, dude, can't afford a new jacket. He's got duct tape on the elbow, he's got one of those sticky patches. 00:31:29 Speaker 3: Like, oh yeah, that dude's legit. 00:31:30 Speaker 1: It's like he's not going to buy a new jacket, he's gonna put a patch on it. So that's kind of like once you get to Alaska and you're walking around the airport and then when you get into camp, I want to be with the guy that's got patches us. 00:31:44 Speaker 2: Yeah, looking for a patch guy. 00:31:46 Speaker 3: It's funny. 00:31:46 Speaker 1: We do packers, so you have to come in a couple of seasons early. If you want to become a guy, you have to be a packer, and we don't pay you, so you we give you free room and board, but you got to earn your stripes. 00:31:58 Speaker 2: Man. 00:31:58 Speaker 3: It's like the best test. 00:32:00 Speaker 1: They're either they kill it or like a week into it, we're like, yeah, dude, we got you a plane ticket. 00:32:07 Speaker 2: You're out of here. 00:32:08 Speaker 1: You can't wake up in the morning saying you're sick, don't want to go get water, don't want to get up early to make coffee for the client. You're like, like zero tolerance. Yeah, Like my partner Tim Winszow, he's savage, he's a good person. Makes one mistake, he's like, you're out. It's because up there. 00:32:26 Speaker 2: Yeah, you make one mistake, you're dead. 00:32:28 Speaker 1: Can't deal with it, Like you can't have someone who's going to be lacka days ago. 00:32:33 Speaker 3: So it's been it's been good learning. 00:32:35 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I thought I knew a lot and I think Alaska will show you. 00:32:40 Speaker 2: Kind of that that extra level. So you guys said you you'll interview potential clients. 00:32:47 Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll get on the phone with them and really like what are you kind of shape? How much have you hunted before? Have you been to Alaska? And honestly, the biggest part of it, and maybe you guys can appreciate this is like setting expectation. Once the client starts telling you he must kill a certain sized animal, it's. 00:33:07 Speaker 3: A red flag. 00:33:10 Speaker 1: The best way to shoot a monster brown bear is to come up and not kill a brown bear for multiple years, because you pass smaller bears, you shoot a bear on the first day, on day seven, you might have saw a monster. So it takes a certain type of person to pass up a quality animal. There's a quality moose there. He's not a giant. You said you wanted to shoot a giant. So setting that expectation is difficult with some people because I think the industry markets like it's not successful if it's not like, I don't know, if you've seen a fifty five inch moose's pretty big, Well I need a seventy I'm like, yeah, Okay. They come along like once in a blue moon. So when we're talking with him, we kind of like needle to find out what they're yeah, like what's their goals? And then the physical and mental part and then a lot of times, especially with older gentlemen, this is like a bucket list for him. They don't want to tell you that they're like having health problems. Yeah, And so they show up in camp and you're like, hey man, everything all right? Well this oh, I got a urinary track infection. 00:34:23 Speaker 2: You know, I got my knee drained last week. 00:34:26 Speaker 1: And we're like, cool, if you just would have been honest with us, we maybe have thought about where we were putting you, because we picked the biggest mountain because you said you were ready to roll. So I think being honest us up front and that's cool. Everybody doesn't have the same physical abilities and we're fine with that. 00:34:45 Speaker 2: Yeah, just tell us, just tell us. 00:34:46 Speaker 4: Yeah, so you know, yeah, talk us through what are you looking for? When you talk about the physical and mental, Like you're interviewing somebody, like what are you looking for in them? And say, Okay, you're ready for this hunt? 00:34:59 Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean I don't want to sell like a jerk. 00:35:02 Speaker 2: It. 00:35:03 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like the truth, right. 00:35:08 Speaker 2: Everybody that knows me is gonna be like, what do you mean, Kip, you are jerk? Yeah. 00:35:13 Speaker 3: No, here's the deal. 00:35:14 Speaker 1: Like when you meet someone at a trade show or through word of mouth, they call you and they start immediately telling you all the ship they've killed Red Flat, excuse my friend Red Flat, and and then you try to butt it. You know, Hey, cool, everybody's excited. Everybody likes to share stories. 00:35:32 Speaker 2: And that's part of hunting. 00:35:34 Speaker 1: But there's a point where you kind of cross the line where you're like, Okay, this dude's overcompensating. He's not actually as qualified as he's making himself out to be. Those people always turn out to be a problem. Hey, I was in Tanzania and I've shot this and I killed this, and I've killed that, and I've killed this and I've done that, and it's like cool. Yeah, like if they if you come to find out those things through conversation, but when they like really, that tells me they're a little bit stretching who they are and we we have to be careful. There's a thing in Alaska called wanton waste. If you shoot a bull moose and you don't take all effort to get that meat out and taken care of in a very short period of time, it's a felony offense. It's not a misdemeanor good, it's a felony. And so that I can also reflect poorly on the guide and the guiding outfit. You know, my company and my partner Tim, so we're picky and if we start seeing some of those red flags, we'll go, we'll dig in. So I hope that answered the question. 00:36:42 Speaker 2: Yeah you do. Do you have guys show up and they're just physically not not ready? 00:36:47 Speaker 3: Yeah, let's think about this. 00:36:48 Speaker 1: Price point wise, you could buy a nice whitetail hunt Illinois maybe five to seven thousand dollars and they're great hunts. Right, you start getting into diy move It's fifteen k. A full Moose is thirty five Guided Moose, A Brown Bears twenty eight. So those price points push it up into people that can afford it. Here's the deal listeners, money makes you soft. 00:37:19 Speaker 2: Biggie says, more money, more problems it Yeah, Cam said somebody. 00:37:24 Speaker 1: Cam says he's gonna send me a shirt that says soft and rich trying to be poor and hard. 00:37:29 Speaker 2: Money. 00:37:30 Speaker 1: I think guys that have done well have have potentially let themselves go a little bit because they have a comfortable life and they can afford things. Got a hot tub, they got a pool, they probably got a weight room they don't use. They got a theater theater thing in their house. Like cool, Like a theater thing in your house, Well cool, you better have a gym. That's you're grinding me. So I think the price point pushes it up there for people that can afford it, and we get guys that show up a. 00:37:57 Speaker 2: Lot that aren't ready. 00:37:59 Speaker 3: A couple of them will come back. 00:38:00 Speaker 1: They're like, I totally bombed the last bomb and I want to come back, and they get fit. 00:38:05 Speaker 2: Cool. Good buddy of mine shot a monster Bear just a week ago. 00:38:08 Speaker 3: His name c J. 00:38:09 Speaker 1: Mellery On's a big excavating company in Maryland. He's a really great guy. He got he lost thirty pounds, He did it the right way, he listened, he got ready for the hunt. So I know that you guys have a pretty cool app yeah, and can help hunters if you're gonna book a big game hunt of any kind of get on the appin yeah, get after it. Yeah, so pretty gonna make the hunt better. Pretty cool story. 00:38:33 Speaker 2: My uncle influential, I would say in my like when I was a kid, he terrified us all. Now now I know him, he's awesome. But what he does to get ready to go out west is he lives in Michigan and he's sixty five now and he's been going out elk hunt and killed a bunch of cows. We're gonna take him on a bull hunt this year, but he'll go climb the grain silos there you go, and just he'll start out climbing, you know, three or four times a day, and by the time he's going out to what usually hunts Wyoming, he'll climb him ten fifteen times. And so you know, let's just get it done, man. Like I think people are so scared just to get started, right, and so you know, where do I even go? You know, we talk about the app, we talk about with what we're doing with Maham Hunt, but man, it's just getting started doing something. We do the same thing. Yeah, we walk. 00:39:20 Speaker 1: We tell him walk no walk, start and then don't start with fifty pounds, sixty pounds. 00:39:25 Speaker 2: Just glows into it. 00:39:26 Speaker 1: Do something and then if you can progress, and then you start getting into the app and you start pushing yourself a little bit more. 00:39:31 Speaker 3: You get a personal trainer. 00:39:33 Speaker 1: There's nothing bad that's gonna come of getting in shape for a hunt. So we do get a bunch of guys that take it serious. I would say I wish it was more. You know, I think there's a part of the industry that's like I want to show up, I want to shoot my thing, and I want to get out of here. 00:39:51 Speaker 3: And I want to check the box. 00:39:52 Speaker 1: And Alaska is just not the place to check the box right when you think you're gonna even for guides, like you think you're gonna get out unscathed. 00:40:01 Speaker 3: The weather and the landscape. 00:40:04 Speaker 2: I've heard the law the landscape not only mountains, but just how soft the ground is walking on walk, walking, on a fat lady's stomach. 00:40:14 Speaker 3: Oh it's the worst. 00:40:15 Speaker 2: Oh gosh, soft like similar to soft sand. 00:40:20 Speaker 1: I mean if it's quicksand Yeah, the tundras is an odd living organism. 00:40:25 Speaker 2: It's like as a huge sponge. Yeah, what does it get away from the water sneeze? What does that attacks the most? Really? 00:40:31 Speaker 1: And I think picking up your quadquad just that extra lift, extra hip. Yeah, I would say hips and quads really a little bit. It's you kind of always like you train hard for it, and then that first day you're getting in the ten, you're like, okay, yeah, you can't train for the down drug. 00:40:47 Speaker 2: No. 00:40:48 Speaker 3: Then you add weight to it and then yep, you're sinking more. 00:40:51 Speaker 2: Yep. Yeah, you know we always when we go out west, we've done a lot of things at altitude. It's good hard ground though, Oh yeah exactly. But that first day you just got to get that little kick in the teeth. Let you know. Hey, you know that's. 00:41:05 Speaker 3: One thing we don't have. 00:41:06 Speaker 1: I mean, I think are kind of we can get up to maybe forty five hundred feet we're closer to the coast, Yeah, that'll do it. So, but most of our haunts are blow two thousand. Yeah, so we don't have a tremendous amount of like altitude sickness. And for some older folks, like if we were at ten thousand. 00:41:22 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, then you'd get really messed up. 00:41:25 Speaker 1: And we have some cheap hunts that are tough, and we are very picky about selling those, but we're. 00:41:30 Speaker 3: Picky about who we take on them. 00:41:31 Speaker 2: Oh I bet. Yeah. 00:41:33 Speaker 1: So I think the Alaska is I almost want people to come and fish and hang out before they come hunt. 00:41:42 Speaker 2: Yeah, because you get just get a few feel how rough it is. I mean it's just last frontier really. 00:41:47 Speaker 3: Yeah, and also getting comfortable with the remoteness. 00:41:49 Speaker 2: Yeah, now do you do. I've seen you do some cold punch stuff in the lake out there or. 00:41:56 Speaker 1: It is man that lake. I don't think all year it gets over forty four forty. 00:42:00 Speaker 2: Five and every morning thing when you're there, Yeah. 00:42:03 Speaker 3: Try to. 00:42:03 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been doing it lately and because the light it stays light for so so I actually stopped doing it in the like morning, and I do it like three o'clock, yeah, because we don't go to bed until one, so I need that extra burst. 00:42:18 Speaker 2: Yeah, rejuvenation for that. 00:42:21 Speaker 1: The lake is is ridiculous. It's I don't know what it is about, like a live body of water. Yeah, I think some of these cold plunges can get pretty cold, But I just do the ice. 00:42:31 Speaker 3: In the tub. 00:42:31 Speaker 2: Well yeah, I think you know, if the water's not circulating, it's way different. So like a lake it circulates a little bit. 00:42:38 Speaker 3: Right, Oh yeah, yeah it is that? Is that something you guys do? 00:42:41 Speaker 2: Yeah? So, man, I was in a cold I did cold a lot, and then my plunge here actually went down. The last year. We had a like seven or eight days of freezing and I just kept it running and it burst the pipes. But I've got another one coming and then we've gotten into the sauna a little bit. Yeah as of late, and man, that's we. 00:43:00 Speaker 3: Have a sauna in Alaska. The guys love it. 00:43:02 Speaker 2: The sauna like it's a little less daunting than the cold. You know, the cold you have you done the back of Scott's big on the contrast, Scott can speak more to that. Looking forward to getting the cold plunge back here so we can see the sauna that we have is working on. 00:43:21 Speaker 1: NFL guy Brian Peters and I were going to put together a uh like wellness and mental retreat in Alaska. He's an ex NFL guy. We should have him on the podcast. He's he's like for deregulating stress and like helping top performing athletes and implementing the cold and. 00:43:40 Speaker 2: Hot and hot. 00:43:41 Speaker 1: He's he's really dedicated himself to. He's a savage and he builds his own saunas and gets into like, uh, the burnt wood on the inside, and and I'm like, hey, man, I need to make me one of those. 00:43:54 Speaker 2: It's pretty cool. 00:43:55 Speaker 1: I don't have one. I've been into it, but I've been dabbling around. 00:43:59 Speaker 2: Man, I'm a cheap dude. 00:44:01 Speaker 1: I don't want to drop the price point. I'm like, okay, yeah, it's it's pricey. 00:44:07 Speaker 2: I can understand. 00:44:08 Speaker 3: I'm like, I kind of want the ones that are just the tenth that hip up. They're like. 00:44:13 Speaker 2: He was trying to cut weight for a wrestling meeting God on the beach. We went, we do this crossit competition on the beach, and Preston hadn't wrestled in five or ten years, and he wanted to cut weight for this beach wrestling thing. And I walked out of their little too serious and He's just sitting there and like his head's popped out of this one with. 00:44:31 Speaker 3: The head that's bizarre. 00:44:32 Speaker 2: I was gonna go with the one that was this is like the little you know, tent one with his head's popping out. He's just sitting out there. And you got to know my cousin Preston, he's he's an interesting cat. 00:44:42 Speaker 1: But yeah, that looks like something out of a sci fi movie. But it's like, that's like that movie Dune where that guy comes out floating from the thing in his head. Yeah, that would freak me out. Yeah, you know, it's fun is uh. You know, I've watched you over the years and I know you went and did Cam's podcast and I asked him like, how's the guys? Like, oh, dude, he's he's savage. And I was like, are you gonna invite him on an ELK hunt? You know, because Cam and cunning. Yeah. 00:45:09 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you need to you need to bug to keep him attle. I don't want to get it. You don't get too annoying with him. Yeah, okay, man, you're elk spots. Oh I can't. I can't imagine. 00:45:20 Speaker 3: He kills like nine bowls a year. 00:45:22 Speaker 2: Dude. I saw we were in his garage and I mean everything. It looked like he went out here and shot one of my horses and put antlers on it. You know. When I've got this, I went back home and I'm looking at my bull and I'm like, wow, you were tiny, you know, like these ones they were the one that he shot. It would have been at the San Carlos that year. I'm telling you, we have a horse. We have a quarter hoose horse named Pancho. Here. That's what it looks like. It looked like they hot lopped off Pancho's head and put antlers on him. 00:45:54 Speaker 1: I hunted with him for many years at that place. I'm not hunting it anymore, but he still goes there. I mean, I know, you know, you start seeing elk and you're like, oh, twenty three fifty is it a three seventy You're like, oh my god, he's a monster. He's three seventy three eighty. You're seeing four hundred inch bulls all. 00:46:12 Speaker 2: The time there. It would ruin me. I think it did ruin me. 00:46:15 Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's why I landed on this place in New Mexico because it's like a good in between her. But yeah, he's killed some bulls and I've been on he climbed up a tree one time. 00:46:25 Speaker 2: Yeah, this year I think it was this year. 00:46:27 Speaker 1: Climbed up a tree and shot a bull. And it's not a tree stand. No, there wasn't anything up there. And I was like, why did you do that? And he was like, I don't know. 00:46:35 Speaker 2: It's the best way to get to it. Yeah. 00:46:36 Speaker 1: I was like, he's nuts. But if you want to, if you want a honey hole, he's got a bunch of them. 00:46:41 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:46:42 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's it's good. Elk hunting is it can be addicting. 00:46:47 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're in that for sure. So fitness wise for you, you know, he talked a little bit. You like to do you go to forty five? You have kind of a bodybuilding gym? Yep, what do you What do you do to stay fit? Yeah? 00:47:00 Speaker 1: I try to change it up, just try to do a bunch of different stuff. I would say that forty five class is nice because, like I. 00:47:07 Speaker 2: Told you, just check out. 00:47:08 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't have to think hardcore cardio not not a ton of power. But you know, sometimes you're pushing a sled and stuff like that. I have a recently, I've kind of adopted this and be curious to get your feedback, I kind of read some stuff I'm getting up there. I'm, you know, fifty plus and. 00:47:27 Speaker 2: Which I wouldn't have guessed when you walked in. By the way, I was. 00:47:30 Speaker 1: Like a little bit more concerned about like heart health, longevity, starting to think about my kids and what I can do when I'm moltar. So I adopted this workout with a Norwegian four by four Have you have you done this. 00:47:42 Speaker 2: Four minutes off? 00:47:43 Speaker 3: Yeah? 00:47:43 Speaker 2: I've heard it's legit hard about it. Yeah. 00:47:46 Speaker 3: We I mean it's the same thing you're doing. 00:47:48 Speaker 2: We do a ton of that. Yeah. 00:47:50 Speaker 1: It's interval training basically, and there's like a lot of good scientific. 00:47:54 Speaker 2: Four by four sets of four minutes on, four minutes on. 00:47:57 Speaker 1: So you warm up five minute jog, then you go eighty percent of max for four minutes. Then you walk for three minutes for four minutes three four three, So you. 00:48:09 Speaker 2: Do that four times, gotcha. 00:48:11 Speaker 1: And then you end with a five minute job and it takes about thirty five minutes and you're on the treadmill and your eighty percent of max can be different for everybody age. And then I go right over. I do some pull ups and sled pushes, but I really anchor the workout around that, yep. And there's like a bunch of If you do it twice a week for two years, you could almost reduce your heart health by twenty years. 00:48:41 Speaker 2: It's crazy Vo two Max. Yeah, it's basically I've seen some stuff. I dove into it. 00:48:46 Speaker 1: I mean, you're already doing it with everything you do it anyway, but I wasn't doing that type of stuff and just high hard. 00:48:52 Speaker 3: I mean I'm enjoying it, yeah, heck yeah yeah. 00:48:54 Speaker 2: And that's the thing is, you know, we talked about high rocks and all this stuff, and I just like that people like to work out. I don't care what the hell you're doing. Yeah, you know, like as long as people are moving and working out, that's my big thing. And so it's where I always encourage people do something that you're gonna stick with. I mean, you do need to get out of get out of breath. I think getting out of breath. We did that today. We did that a couple of times, so you weren't out of breath. I was out of breath. Yeah. We just got off that twenty four hour mountain bike. So my legs were. 00:49:19 Speaker 1: I was kind of like excited too. I was like, saw you on Instagram. I was like, oh cool, he just did a big race. I don't think he's gonna bury me now. 00:49:29 Speaker 2: And that's what I you know, I try to tell people when we come here, you don't have to like, just do what you can do. Let's have fun. I mean, I just enjoy working out, like that's just what I do. Obviously, It's what I've done for No. 00:49:39 Speaker 3: It's impressive. 00:49:40 Speaker 2: Man. 00:49:40 Speaker 1: It's good to get excited about something, and it's it's healthy for me. It's I've been doing it my whole life. I just have to I have to change. 00:49:47 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:49:47 Speaker 1: So I'll probably do this for a bit yep, and then I'll try to find something different. I will say, as I get older, I have noticed that little bit of dip in strength. 00:49:59 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:50:00 Speaker 1: I used to be pretty strong, you know. I say hardcore bench and you know, rock out lots of pull ups and I hit that fifty in and man like that little edge. So I'm a little concerned, like maybe I need to do a little bit more power. But I don't think I can't. I'm doing good, but I don't think you can keep it forever. 00:50:18 Speaker 2: You can't, man. I think it's some that's something I've had to come to terms with them. I'll be thirty eight this year, which is not that old, but compared to what I was lifting when I was twenty five and twenty four, I mean, you know, the Olympic lifts, and I'm nowhere near where I was, and but you just have to like meet with where you're at at that point, you know. Like, and I kind of said that on the Instagram post that I made about this race, is you know, fitness is different from me now, Like my goals are different. I'm not trying to be the fittest on earth. I'm trying to be as fit as I can. I'm trying to do hard shit. I'm trying to like inspire my kids to be fit. And then you know, I want to be ready to go out west and elk hunt and so that same with men. You know, like those are kind of my goal. So I need to check in every once in a while make sure I'm not getting soft. So we do that twenty four hour mountain bike. We do a twenty four hour row usually around Christmas, and then you know, I need something to kind of scratch that itch of competition. So I'll do a couple of CrossFit competitions for fun with partners or teammates and then and I just love being out west and being ready for that. 00:51:17 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's the name of the game. I think what people get caught up is they try to start measuring themselves against other m h. And I will say, you know, my finish journey has not always been the best. I try pretty hard. 00:51:29 Speaker 3: I've never really cared what other people were doing. 00:51:33 Speaker 2: Yeah, I really just. 00:51:34 Speaker 1: Focused on myself. And I think a lot of people start comparing themselves. They get a little bit of like body dysmorphia, and they're like really focused on well, this guy looks like that. I don't look like this. And I think some of it can be healthy because it can drive you, but then the bunch of it is unhealthy for me. I've never really gave a shit. Yeah, my best friends with Cam, I'm like cool, Cam runs, I don't lot. Yeah, great, and you're runner. I don't need to go try to run. But at the end of the day, you gotta you know, you got to pick a few things that tests yourself along the way. 00:52:07 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the mental test and that's you know what we do is, yeah, we compete, and so for years that was it, you know, but my goal was to be the fittest on earth. So it's been hard to detach from that, right where I'm like, dude, you're thirty eight years old, you've got no you've got no cartilage left in You're good. 00:52:24 Speaker 1: You'll get by the time you're my age, they will have like Robot and Noze. 00:52:29 Speaker 2: I sure hope they if that's the one thing that. 00:52:32 Speaker 1: You know, what's funny is I played lacrosse pro lacrosse for a good bit of years, and you know, to see competition translate into hunting, I think it's ultimately I didn't have hunting. I'm not quite sure what I've been able to transition. I was pretty hardcore level lacrosse. I was competing at the highest level. We lost in the national championship in college, and then I went into pro. And then when I stopped that, like, I went hardcore hunting. And honestly, I didn't get off the path a little bit if I didn't, because I think, you know, not everybody has to play, you know, sports, but there's a lots you gotta you gotta learn to compete. This world is competition, competition, let's started out always a strong survive. 00:53:18 Speaker 2: That's what we're saying. That's what I've said. You know, I think the the connection that I've had with hunting is it was the first competition, like it's the first competition that was ever on the planet. You had you had to beat that exactly or that other tribe gonna and so I feel like that's the connection that I've kind of made and the obsession and how it's all transferred over into hunting. That is like it's a competition that nobody's everything that I've done, it's when I fail, it's super public and people see it. Yeah, you're a jackass, right, But in hunting, when you fail, you're kind of like, oh, I messed that up. Now I can move on to the next thing. You know you're gonna fail. It's gonna happen, right. 00:53:54 Speaker 1: It's inevitable, you know, like lose it, lose a deer, shot on an l yep, blow out a bunch of animals, you didn't read the wind, right. 00:54:04 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:54:04 Speaker 1: You know what's interesting is like when you talk about like that connection to like we've been competing to hunting food, I wonder if like some of us have genes for hunting and gathering, and then there's a bunch of people that we provided the food for that don't have the gene and they don't understand the gene and they don't understand the I don't know. I'm not a scientist, I'm not a DNA guy, but I'm like, some people just don't get it. They're not interested. And I truly think that like ten thousand years they didn't. They weren't required to do it. 00:54:39 Speaker 2: Yeah, their ancestors or something weren't. Yeah, they tell me on Instagram that they weren't, that's for sure. 00:54:45 Speaker 3: Don't get started with the haters. 00:54:46 Speaker 2: I love it. It doesn't bother me whatsoever. My wife at times gets upset with how much I lean into it. You know, you guys doesn't bother you, And I'm like, no, hell no, it doesn't bother me. I enjoy it. You have thick skins. Oh yeah, you. 00:54:59 Speaker 1: Got money as many followers as you guys have, and you specifically and Cam like he's the hyater thing is like it's fuel. 00:55:08 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for sure. Yeah, it cracks me up. 00:55:10 Speaker 3: Prove everybody wrong. 00:55:11 Speaker 2: Man. People are just they want you to screw up and want you to fail. Give them a microphone, but no face. That's what I tell you, buddy. That's it. You get to hide behind something. You know, it's kind of childish if you think about it blows my mind. 00:55:23 Speaker 1: Everybody that's listening. If you're one of those people, you're a loser. 00:55:26 Speaker 2: You're a loser. 00:55:27 Speaker 3: Yeah, straight up. 00:55:28 Speaker 2: Yeah. My thing, you know, our big thing, and I've said it multiple times, is if you're a vegan or vegetarian, I could I don't necessarily agree with you, but I could get where it would offend you that people. But whatever. But the people that eat meat and are against hunting, that blows my mind. 00:55:48 Speaker 1: They like to torture animals that are exactly quarantine quarantine or in you know, on a lot that you know, don't see. 00:55:55 Speaker 2: My My thing is was like, use the vegetarian or the vegan. It's like cool, do that do that? I don't care. 00:56:04 Speaker 3: I'm not going to go over there. 00:56:05 Speaker 2: I don't come over and bug you about your habits. 00:56:09 Speaker 3: Why are you coming over here? And like you're. 00:56:13 Speaker 1: Allowed to select what you look at, Like, if you don't want to watch Nascar, turn the station, yeah, Like, oh my god, I hate Nascar? Why are you watching it. 00:56:23 Speaker 2: Why are you vocal about it? 00:56:25 Speaker 1: So I get really confused, Like, if that's what you choose to do, then obsess about it and go do it. 00:56:32 Speaker 2: Why are you choosing. 00:56:33 Speaker 1: To spend your time looking at things you're not interested I don't want and picking on people? 00:56:37 Speaker 3: It's like, I really don't. 00:56:40 Speaker 1: Maybe we should start a group that's like haters against vegetarians, like and we. 00:56:45 Speaker 2: Just go out the find them. We just start posting and we come up with fake names. 00:56:49 Speaker 1: And so that's my whole thing is like, if you don't like it, turn the channel, go. 00:56:53 Speaker 2: Somewhere else, or don't follow or unfollow. You're gonna tell me, that's for sure? For sure? What else you got? What else you want to know? You gotta have something amazing with that question? 00:57:02 Speaker 4: Come on, oh man, I would just say, what is it for you? Back country hunting? You go out to Alaska a lot, like just the recalibration. You're in multiple businesses, you know what I mean? Just getting away? What's it mean to you to just get away and just kind of recalibrate, break apart, no, break away from everything? 00:57:20 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think it's a good question, and it dances around something that I just experienced. So like I co founded under Armour, people could say that was a big success. I've been involved with some other things that you could say with success. I have never felt successful ever once until about two weeks ago. And I was sitting at. 00:57:44 Speaker 4: Like two weeks two weeks, two weeks ago. 00:57:46 Speaker 1: Okay, sitting in Alaska, overlooking the mountains, looking at my team move a bunch of hunters in and out. We just had a bear hunter come in. It's a really cool outfit. It's close to my heart, it's where I want to be. It's it's outdoors at its best. And I was like, man, Kip, you've done something with your life. First time ever I've said that to myself in my brain. Why all that time have I never felt successful? Is because I think when you put yourself in an environment that's closest to who you want to be, it unlocks things that you otherwise. I'm not corporate, I don't like cities. I don't want to run a rat race. I'm pretty smart, but I don't. I don't, you know, I don't need to like prove my smarts in business anymore. But I felt like for many many years I had to, and I think it just unlocks, unlocked something that I had never felt before. So when you talk about like that decompression, like all this stuff we put in our lives, man, it's like step back and look at it's not that important, like all this like I need a new truck and I need this extra rain gear and oh my god, I gotta have this for the kids and they got to go to this new camp. And when you put yourself in remote situations, you realize the meaning of life is to live. It's not to collect things. It's not to validate yourself with what other people think of you. And literally, I had never felt successful before Wild And I told some people that were close to me, And I was just on another podcast with a kid that started a podcast and he asked me the same question. I was like, I'm telling you, I'm not lying you. I've never felt successful in my life. I felt successful in that moment because I think I was closest outdoors and I was closest to that life to exhale really who I want to be, how I want to show up, and I think I'm a better person, and I also treat people better, like I've learned to be better person. 00:59:54 Speaker 3: When I'm in the outdoors, which is wild. 00:59:57 Speaker 1: Yeah, like why you know, so I don't I don't know if that dances around since oh danced around it a little bit. But I think you know, you guys have experienced moments in your life. You know you gotta you gotta figure out outdoors isn't for everybody. You got to figure out in life what recharges you? What is it the thing that gives you like energy, and then what takes away? Like what drained you? And I think for a lot of years I actually did things over and over and over and over again that drained me. I'm not Satin corporate. I mean we we were a. 01:00:32 Speaker 2: Public company sitting in boardrooms with Yeah it was tough. Yeah, I don't. I don't want to go down that road. But you can imagine. Yeah, I can't imagine because I've got about usually what thirty minutes in a meeting before I start derailing ittes. 01:00:48 Speaker 1: We're talking days or meetings after meeting. We have these corporate off sites that you just like grind out, like how are we gonna make more money? How do we get more profit? How do we grow this category? 01:01:02 Speaker 2: It's terrible. 01:01:04 Speaker 4: So you know, no that's good. And yeah, I don't know, hope that was No, it does, and I mean everybody believes something different. But so I worked at a church for twenty years and I met with a lot of college kids, you know, and they would just be searching for their what they should do with their life? You know, What's what am I being called to? And I finally came up with the answer of it. For everybody, there are different parts, but for for most people, God wants you to be the person who He's called you to be, and a lot of that is built upon the environment you're in. So just like with you that in that environment, that environment helps you be that person, you know. And and because environments make us, you know, so like I wouldn't be who I am today if I wasn't if I wouldn't on staff at that church for twenty years, you know what I mean. So that's where I need it to be at that time. However, I'm not anymore because I don't need that anymore. 01:02:02 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've said this to a few people, and I think what you said is really really powerful. I've said this analogy and I use this in a descriptive way because it makes a point take a rag, put it in gasoline, take the rag out, ring it out, put it on your front porch. Go smell that rag. A week later, what does it smell like? Gasoline? A month later, gasoline. Even a year later, you put that thing up. You're like, God, damn, let's sing. Maybe I should watch this thing. You are the environment. You cannot get rid of the environment you're in. Even if you give it time, it still hangs out. There's a rule in criminal justice every time two objects touch, they transfer something that's like a tool mark on a door or a fiber from a sweater on a crime scene. Every time two things to so that environment that you're describing like like it or not, whether it's toxic people, whether it's you're in the church or whether you're in the outdoors, something's gonna transfer. So be really picky about where you put yourself. And I think I was really good at certain things at under Armour, but also there was really against the nature of who I was, And eventually, you know, it's funny. 01:03:21 Speaker 3: I'll be very honest. 01:03:22 Speaker 1: I made a lot of bad decisions at the end of my career, and I think that I was self sabotaging because I didn't see myself in that environment anymore, and I got to take ownership that I wasn't brave enough to like remove myself maybe in a more healthy way. And I think the outdoors is a lot of kids and young adults today are spending a lot of screen time, and I think the outdoors is I think the church, and I think the outdoors can play a huge role. 01:03:56 Speaker 2: Sorry to get a little deep there, it's a good segue with the boys. You've got two boys. Are they into the outdoors? They? 01:04:03 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's a struggle sports in school. You know, a lot of time here and there. They hunt. They love to hunt. They've you know, multiple white tail deer. My one son, Rider is a little bit more into it. Just went on his first elk hunt last year. He was, you know, fifteen, running around the mountains. He was like, oh my. 01:04:24 Speaker 2: God, different. 01:04:24 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he was really really he did a great job. 01:04:28 Speaker 1: I was super proud of him. They're not like fanatical about it, you know, but they like hunting season and they know that it's super important to me. And honestly, without even asking them, they know it's going to be. 01:04:42 Speaker 2: A part of their life. Yeah, for sure. 01:04:44 Speaker 1: And you know, like, well, he asked my son like truant. I asked him, like, what do you want to do. It's like, I want to shoot a bear. 01:04:49 Speaker 3: I'm like, you're. 01:04:49 Speaker 1: Twelve, what are you What are you talking about? He's like, yeah, I always wanted a bear. 01:04:53 Speaker 2: I'm always okay. So that's awesome. You know. They're not super hardcore, but but I think they see dad. They want to be a part of that, and it's something. Man. I'm I'm trying with the kids and there all of them are pretty into it. For the most part, We've only been able to really do whitetail, but yeah, Trice will come out there. I've killed a couple with Trice actually being there. The one I kicked myself Lakeland, my oldest was with us and I had a dough tag but it was during the rut and I let her walk. I should have just taken her because she's she's still talks. She's like, I remember that time we saw it there and I'm just like, I blew it. Yeah, maybe maybe not. Maybe it'll make the next one more meaningful. 01:05:29 Speaker 1: What I've what I've taken with my kids is I I hunt a lot, and you know, I'm hunting more for them around the farm than me. Always ask them, you want to go hunt tonight? You want to get up early and hunt? And they say no. 01:05:44 Speaker 2: I don't force them right if. 01:05:46 Speaker 1: If if I have, if they say yes, then I hold them to the yes. And but when we go out, if they want to leave, we leave. Okay, Hey man, we're here. You gotta I'm freezing, dad, No, you gotta stays. Because I don't want to insert any of my like grit and determination on them. They know what grid is and so like, there's been a couple of times say hey, i'm cold, I want to go, and we go in. There's also been a couple of times where it's like bad out and they're like I'm like, you're good, and they're like, yeah, let's stay. And I didn't have to say anything. And I was actually more proud of that than me being like, hey, we're staying another hour, it's almost dark. 01:06:26 Speaker 3: Let's just stay. Let's just stay. 01:06:29 Speaker 1: So, you know, everybody's kids are different, and I'm not saying my technique is the right technique, but I don't want them to feel like they have to do it for me. And I know that some dads and moms are like, oh yeah, I want my kid to be a hunter, and like you can't force it. You can't force everything. You know, there's a finn mind. 01:06:48 Speaker 2: I mean enjoy. Yeah. 01:06:51 Speaker 3: See, at the end of the day, fun is fun. 01:06:53 Speaker 2: It's the same way I've done with my kids with working out. You know, I'm like, hey, you guys want to go downstairs, I'm working out, or you don't go to the barn and they're like yeah, or they're like no. And even when they come out here you saw Violet, yeah whatever. I've never been like, hey, you're gonna do this workout. And then we did a little competition a parent you know, we were talking about earlier parent kid competition. Man, it was awesome because now Trice is like I want to work out and. 01:07:15 Speaker 3: Like right, switch, light switch. 01:07:18 Speaker 2: It was cool. So I think it's the. 01:07:20 Speaker 1: Environment you're talking about, and there's a way to put people in an environment and the environment becomes toxic. Even though your intention was good, yeah, like hey let's work out. That's a good thing, that's it. Well, the way you went about it, it was toxic. And we all know those dads and moms that are at the soccer field doing stuff yelling, screaming, they're making it unenjoyable. 01:07:40 Speaker 2: Yep. 01:07:41 Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, you know, the brain development like with kids, like once you get into sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, you can do a lot more things, but when you're in that ten to fourteen way, there is no replacing fun. And they also so really attached themselves specifically to dads, because dads can be kind of hardcore. You have to show yourself as being a fun person. There's all these studies about how healthy kids had dads that could laugh, could have fun. And so I think your point on the environment you're in, I think it applies to all that. 01:08:20 Speaker 2: But they're they're they're they're into it. 01:08:22 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, they get a little competition like, oh I shot a six pointer. 01:08:26 Speaker 2: Oh my mine had actually seven, but it was broken. There. 01:08:31 Speaker 3: You know, they're into it. I'm really excited if my son gets an. 01:08:34 Speaker 2: Elk oh yeah, I might cry like a baby. Yeah that's what I want, you know, That's why I want for my kids is them to us be able to do that together, you know, be able to share it and you know, carry on that. 01:08:45 Speaker 4: Now. 01:08:45 Speaker 1: I know you're into like dirt bikes and four wheels stuff. Are the kids into that as well? 01:08:49 Speaker 2: So you know, I I grew up with four wheelers and dirt bikes. The kids, man, they don't take care of shit, so we haven't really bought them. Yeah, so they got mountain or mountain bikes and so they'll you know, we've got some trails out here that they'll ride on. Trice was pissed, yes, shake because it was too hot. You know. I think it's super important to get him out and doing those things. But until they can take care of that. We bought them some cheap Amazon like electric go karts for Christmas and they're already trashed. And I'm like, no, until you guys can show me you can take care of this, that's good, you know, but at least they get to do some of that stuff. But I think, you know, isn't it. 01:09:23 Speaker 3: Wild what we grew up with versus what goes on today. I mean, even in a short. 01:09:28 Speaker 2: Period of time crazy. 01:09:29 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm I can't believe I'm alive. 01:09:32 Speaker 2: You know, the just go, you know, just go, and I'd be out on a four wheeler. I mean, I can't tell you how many times almost broke my neck. I remember specifically, my dad got me a new helmet for my twelfth or thirteenth birthday. That day, I was coming over a little hill. Shouldn't have been on the road. I was on the road with a four wheeler. The road goes like this and cuts hard left, and there was no sign telling you cut left straight off the road landed on my head. I skid for probably fifty feet. I busted this hell it all up and I tried to hide it from Dad for a while. Never works. We had three wheelers, three wheelers the death trap. 01:10:08 Speaker 3: That's kind of like the thing now is ones. 01:10:13 Speaker 1: I know the guys at Montana Knife Company, Like there's a couple of guys that drive them to work and it's like the new Harley. It's like, oh, look at my three wheeler. I'm like, come on, dude, it's a three wheeler, you know. Is it a Honda's death trap trap? 01:10:30 Speaker 2: Man? Yeah, my kids, I'm like, man, look at all this barboy around here. They could run right through it. Rory is sitting over there and he ran right through it. 01:10:36 Speaker 1: To the remote Alaska is really cool to see these fishing villages. I've been to a bunch of them. Ilamna's where are lodges. Four Wheelers are life. Yeah, it's life. These kids, I mean like four or five years old. You know, I'm probably exaggerating a little bit, but they're just ripping around on four wheelers all the time. 01:10:58 Speaker 3: It's there. 01:10:59 Speaker 1: You know, they get great gas mileage, they can kind of go anywhere. Their roads are kind of crappy. It's it's it's pretty funny when you just see these and I'm looking at my kids that are, you know, thirteen and fifteen. They couldn't even drive a four wheel er to save their life. And then you got kids that are like eight years old ripping it in remote Alaska. 01:11:20 Speaker 2: My oldest is every day we right, can I go drive the Ranger? And I'm like me and you will go drive? And so she's gonna be good. She's good, man. She's gotten to where she can drive that thing and knows exactly what to do. How many kids three eleven, Well she'll be eleven, eleven, eight and seven. 01:11:36 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's good. 01:11:37 Speaker 2: Yeah, man, it's fun. 01:11:38 Speaker 3: Any dad. 01:11:39 Speaker 2: Being a dad's the best, the best. It's the tough, hardest, hardest job ever, but it's the best, most rewarding job for sure, all right. One one takeaway? What do you got something people could do. 01:11:52 Speaker 3: Well? 01:11:52 Speaker 1: I mean, I think going back to your your analogy and the environment is really one thing you can do in your life to just check check yourself, like are you in the right environment? I think that's I'm super happy you brought it up. I just had this like experience in my life and I think it was because the environment I was in. And I think a lot of times people put up with stuff they shouldn't have to, and I think it's okay to change if it's not working, change change it. 01:12:21 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, no, I mean what do they say you're the five people that you hang around with? Which is I mean it's accurate, you know. 01:12:28 Speaker 3: Yeah, I have a tough time getting five. I get the camp. That's one. 01:12:35 Speaker 2: You start self. 01:12:36 Speaker 1: Selecting with age real quick. You know, someone shows up with like bad shoes on your like I hate a never talking to that guy again, like just looking for a reason not to get somebody back. I super appreciate you guys having me on and it's cool to see what you guys are doing too, So thank you. 01:12:56 Speaker 2: Come back anytime. I don't know what we offer, but you can come hang out anytime. 01:13:00 Speaker 3: Clearly a good workout. 01:13:01 Speaker 2: Fitness, Hey we can fit. That's one thing. I would be fitness shredded. There you go. 01:13:05 Speaker 3: If I did a couple of podcasts. 01:13:07 Speaker 2: Come on, man, I'll have you back for sure. Yeah. We can't offer a grizzly I can. I can offer you like a little shitty white tail that was killed on Fight for Mountain. It was the first I ever killed this savage. 01:13:18 Speaker 1: You look at him and you're like, Okay, he's a dink, and you're like, wait a minute, he's got extra points. 01:13:23 Speaker 2: When he's busted. We got in a fight. 01:13:25 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's tough, dude. 01:13:27 Speaker 2: That was my first ever white tail buck last year. 01:13:32 Speaker 3: That's first one. 01:13:33 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:13:33 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was happy with him. You know, like I'm not once again two years. 01:13:38 Speaker 4: It's been two years. 01:13:38 Speaker 2: I'm sorry. It was two years last my last one. 01:13:40 Speaker 3: Man, nothing's legit. Yeah, he got the back broken. 01:13:44 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was cool. He was killed him on the mountain. 01:13:46 Speaker 3: Had you seen him before? 01:13:47 Speaker 2: Never, dude, I've never even seen a white tail buck in the while. 01:13:50 Speaker 1: You didn't put any trail cameras are out not last. Someone's gonna sponsor you, Someone's gonna send you like. 01:13:55 Speaker 2: We've got, we've got, we've got, we've got, we've gotten there. 01:13:58 Speaker 3: Okay, but yeah, no, that was that was the first. 01:14:00 Speaker 2: He was killed on five for mountain. You know. So now is that the arrow? No? I killed him with six? Fine? Oh good, it was right. 01:14:08 Speaker 3: Poor dude just got a six or five. 01:14:10 Speaker 2: Treat like he folded right up. He did no tracked up. Funny story my buddy Matt. It was on his property. Uh, he shot one this year and it fell down in a sinkhole. And I called him. I'll show you the video in a second. This is what goes on in Tennessee goes on in Tennessee. So he called. I called him. I'm like, because I had we were going to do a mountain bike race. I said, you kill anything this morning? He goes, yeah, I killed something. He goes, you remember that sink hole we weren't allowed to go into his kids. I was like yeah, He's like he fell in there. I'm like bullshit. I was like, you just didn't shoot anything. You're lying. He's like, I swear. So I call him on his bluff. The next day, I'm like, all right, we talked to this guy and he gives us repelling equipment. 01:14:49 Speaker 3: Oh my god. 01:14:50 Speaker 2: And we were firefighters fifteen years ago, class one day, so you know, we're gonna repel down into the sinkhole. Sure enough, the thing was in the bottom of the sink hole. We got it and we got him out. I'll show you videos. That's classic. It was awesome. You know, I'm like, shit, how does this. He's like, remember when you want to slow down bring it to your hip, And I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, I don't think I would have remembered that. My dad did that with me when I was like twelve. Yep. 01:15:12 Speaker 3: Yeah. 01:15:12 Speaker 2: And so we just went down in this hole. I was the first We've never been in this hole. 01:15:16 Speaker 1: I've found some deer in some funny, funny spots. You know, the best are when you like pound it like Miles, Miles gritting out okay, everybody look, and he's literally like behind the tree stand. You shot him shot, I really think because your hardest so much to imagine things like I saw him he went this way. 01:15:38 Speaker 2: He didn't go that way. No, he literally turned around. 01:15:41 Speaker 3: And like died behind my tree standing. 01:15:44 Speaker 1: And my buddy he was like, hey, you know, like I think I left my camera back at your tree stand and he went back there and he said he saw a hoof behind the tree. And literally the tree that we were looking for for like days was behind the tree. 01:15:59 Speaker 2: I shot it from it. We should check that tree. 01:16:01 Speaker 1: The sinkhole would have been a lot better than coal behind the tree sinkhole. 01:16:05 Speaker 2: I'll show you that video. It's pretty cool. Thank you man, appreciate your brother. Yes, thank you.