00:00:02 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, your home for deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host, Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm your host, Mark Kenyan. In this episode number Tannis Show, we're sharing our favorite hunting shows, books, magazines, podcasts, and much much more. All right, welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, brought to you by Sick of Gear. And I'm sitting here right now in my office. The space heater is running and I'm still cold because it's like twelve degrees wind chill outside right now, and I can just hear the wind like pounding on my windows and I'm cold. And it's days like this that I kind of don't want to go outside. Sometimes. I don't know about you, Dan, but sometimes on days like this, I kind of just want to hybernate during the winter. But I'm still a hunting freak. What's so funny about that? You know? Hybernate? No? No, It's like, I don't know how you feel about that, And I just I don't know why every comment I make on this show has something to do with my kids. And that's true. In the past twenty four hours, I would rather fight frostbite than be in my own house. So you would rather lose a finger to frostbite, and you don't have a whole lot of those to spare. But I'm used to it. Yeah, I get that. That's funny. I literally would just hear heard some story. I can't remember what it was, but something this past week reminded me of you, because it was like talking about someone losing fingers, and I just sat there and thought of you and wondered what that must be like. But I'm gonna we're gonna we're digressing pretty seriously, pretty quickly. That's the fastest we've ever gone off topic. That really I didn't even get like the intro in. So I'll try to make the intro really short today since I'm hibernating a little bit, and maybe some of you out there listening are hibernating and not going outside, maybe to do some of the different deer hunting chores that you know we should be doing this time of year, if that's you. I wanted to talk about some of the different things that you can still do to scratch that deer hunting itch while you're inside. So I wanted to talk through some of our favorite deer hunting. We're just hunting in general, our favorite shows, online shows, books, podcasts, resources, basically anything we do to be entertained or to learn about hunting and deer hunting. UM. So we're gonna kind of go through all over dierent recommendations, talk through all those different things, um, and hopefully leave you all with a few different new places and resources to check out over the coming weeks. So that's kind of game plane. But now that's out the way, Dan, what's going on this past couple of days that it's got you is such a bad place on the inside, I'm crying, okay, but my family, you know, and with kids you get the flu and not just one person gets it but everybody. So me and my wife were sharing a toilet last night. Is that like the same time type of thing or yeah, and that was because we were puking. I just want to let that know, you're barfing at the same time. It wasn't like a sitting on the laftip deal. Yeah, we weren't like spider swinging to go to the bathroom. Move on anyway, Uh, A long story short, flu came through our house the last twenty four hours and just beat our family down. And uh, I just got done changing my son's diaper and that anyway. Yeah, so last week's been This last couple of days has been tough, and I haven't been out to do my deer hunting chores like I wanted to be, so uh yeah, I'm behind. That's brutal, dude, I am not envious of you. I just got sort of sick last weekend, just kind of got hit with a cold, and that was like my first kind of thing like that for the year. And I was like, I just was reminded how crappy that feels. So I can't imagine how bad a flu running through your entire family must be. That sounds miserable. Yeah, but we shall overcome, so they say, so, they say. But other than that, all's well. I guess all. All's good. Man, Just waiting for this election to get over so I can go back to regular TV commercials. The what the election? Oh? The election? Yeah, g aren't aren't you sick of all the commercials that are on TV? No, I'm immune to a dude. I don't have cable Oh you son of a gun. Yeah, I cut the cord purposely just to avoid all the election, crep. I need to do that. I really need to do that, and it sucks so bad Right now. I was at um, we're gone's past week because you know, we're traveling out west, my wife and I, and one night we got a hotel, um the second last night of the trip. Otherwise we're camping, but the second last night we got a hotel, and so there was a TV. Obviously, so it's kind of luxury. For instance, we usually don't watch cable, so we popped it on, and very quickly I was reminded why I don't miss it between political ads, political commentary, and like the Weather Channel talking NonStop about the storm and like over dramatizing the big snowstorm like crazy. Like there was a guy on there who, for twelve minutes, I'm pretty sure it's about twelve minutes, tried to demonstrate how to shovel snow and talked about it and dragged it on for that long. It was the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. Okay, Randy, we got twelve minutes to fill. We'll talk about shoveling snow. That's exactly what it was. And then he so he's demonstrating proper warm, demonstrating how to make sure you get it down low enough, how to hold it. Then he talked about his preference in different types of snow shovels, and then somehow he got into like the story of how he used to shovel the snow for some lady back when he was a kid, and how she gave him fifty cents a day and how he used that to save up money to buy some crap. And it was like, it was the kind of horrible storytelling like you hear on the Wired hun podcast. It was bad. It was that bad. That's terrible. Yeah. I know. So it's national television too, Yeah, so I'm not missing it. I still you see stuff online, but at least I don't need to hear the talking heads. And like you said, the commercials, it's bad. I'm I'm just over it already. It's not even like the final you know, there's only a couple of places to escape. And I find myself watching Nickelodeon because there they don't have as many of the political ads. Is there anything good on Nick Gloding? Yeah, Paul Patrol blazeing the monster machines. I mean, do you really want me to keep going? I think I might start a podcast just on cartoons. I bet you that'd be way more successful than the Nine Finger Chronicles. Just kidding. It would be more successful than this one, that's for sure. Uh. Yeah, I can't relate, but someday, I guess I probably. Well, there's a whole like new generation of kids shows and movies that I'm just totally close about. That. Yeah, I suppose I'm starting to learn about it, and I learned that it's hilarious because they are starting to go into adult jokes, but subtle adult jokes. There's there's just one cartoon that my daughter, she's laughing hysterically. I come upstairs and this family their favorite meal is to eat burritos, and they sit there and fart for like five minutes straight. And my daughter laughs about, Oh, they fought and they foughted. Okay, I would that, Yeah, laughed. I laughed at it too. But I'm just like, God, is this what we want our kids to watch? And seriously, the dumbing down of our society is starting at a very young age, very young age. So, speaking of dumbing down in TV shows and stuff, what do you think about today's that topic? Dan, Hey, I'll tell you what, Uh I do. I do my fair share of consuming entertainment slash educational, I guess slash background noise for you know, hunting podcasts and web shows and TV shows, and I do a little reading as well. So it's uh, it's something that consumes our time for for us freaks out there. I guess, yeah, that's the truth. And I was I was thinking, here, you know, this might be this might be a really bad idea, given the fact that we're about to share all sorts of different shows and books and podcasts and websites and things that people can go check out. Um, since we're basically recommending all of our competition for people to check hunt. But let me let me clarify something. The Wired to Hunt podcast is the best podcast on the internet. So so the people who are listening to that this when we say we go to these other places, it's just a it's a recommendation. It's not mandatory, like the Wired to Hunt podcast is right right right. And so with that said, that's gonna be the end of the show today. That's all we wanted to cover. Have a good week and stay Wired to Hunt. No at all seriousness. There's there's a lot of good stuff out there, and you know, hopefully what we're doing here at Wired to Hunt and with your stuff at nine Fair Chronicles, hopefully everyone you know finds that helpful. But we are not the only show on on the road here, So I wanted to kind of share all the different stuff that we like, you know, just like you said, we're we're freaks a by all this stuff. And I'm constantly consuming different media. I mean everything from print to digital to TV too, you know. I mean if I'm not outside doing stuff, I'm usually reading or watching or hearing something about hunting or deer. Um. That's that's our life, right. So so I always, like, I always get really excited when I get new recommendations about books or whatever it might be, um, because I'm always trying to find the next thing and look into discover something new that I'm excited about. So I thought, heck, why not, why don't we offer some recommendations since we've got I think a lot of different things that we've been checking out. So do, uh, do you have a certain category, Dan that you want to start with of all the different types of stuff? Because I was thinking maybe we go category about category and then just kind of walk through some of our favor favorite things, talk about it, argue about it, talk about why our opinions sucker or don't. But actually, Dan, before you answer that, how about we take a real quick break for a word from our sponsors of this podcast, Sick of Gear, and today I wanted to hear from Sick of Product category leader Dennis Suck about the importance of properly fitting hunting gear. Over recent years, companies like Sick and others have put a real new attention to detail and fit when it comes to hunting apparel. And I'm just kind of curious, you know, why is this so important and what should we be thinking about on this front when we're choosing our own new gear. So here's Dennis, Yeah, and and fits a huge conversation. You know. A little funny part is, you know when we started looking at our white Tail collection coming here in fifteen, you know, we had a group of guys out in Illinois who we work with quite a bit, and there's seventeen of them. In fact, we measured them. When we asked them is is what do you think you were? And the funny thing is is the size ranges were all over the map because of what you described, they've they've experienced, you know, whether I buy from this brand or that brand, just nothing's consistent. You know, So first of all, understanding that that's probably true, and it's probably good to measure your stuff and know what size you are. So UM for us, when we think about fit, we think about where does it follow in our systems? You know, is it a next to skin product, is it a base layer, is it mid layer? Um? Is it out of where am I planning the stack on top of it? Or really, given where's position in my line, am I not planning the stack on top of it? You know? So if you you know, if you're if you're looking at a jacket and you're thinking, well, I want to wear a bass layer. I'm gonna wear a you know, a puffy underneath this or an insulation layer, and I'm buying from Sitka and I wear a large, maybe I should buy an extra large. Well know that we've thought about that, so we we've taken that into the consideration in our sizing. UM. We also you know, the athletic fits and our some of our you know, if you're buying our mountain equipment, type of stuff. You know, because of the nature of what you're doing, that may be more of an athletic fit. Were in white tail, you know, where you need a little bit more you know, range of motion, or you know it's more about sitting comfortably for a long time, just sedentary. You know, that's maybe more of a relax fit. So we absolutely think a lot about fit UM full acknowledgement that it's as an as a hunting industry probably you know, all over the place, but we try to be very consistent here and if you buy a large in one category, you can buy it in another. UM And we've tried to think about the layering process. So if you'd like to learn more about Sick of Gears layering systems, you can visit sick of gear dot com. And now, Dan, where do you think we should start with this conversation? Yeah, I mean, if we're gonna you might as well just start right at the at the beginning and go with I guess TV and web shows that that would kind of fall under one category one't it? Yeah? I think so. Um So, do you have a favorite, Well, like, here's here's the first question. Do you watch more hunting video content on your TV, like on cable TV or online in some way. Well, I tell you what, Uh, it's probably close to um, the only time I really watched. I do watch TV shows, but it's while i'm doing something else. So typically, whether I'm writing a blog or editing a podcast, or or you know, answering emails or doing some research on products, I am in the background. I have hunting shows on, and it's not that I really focus on them, because I'll give you later on I'll give you my opinion on some of these shows. But but when I sit down and I actually consume the television shows and really let it soak in, I'd say not as much as the online stuff. Yeah, yeah, I definitely. I think that's I think that's becoming the trend. Like the majority of people are going more and more that way. I mean more the more I hear from people, I've pulled actually our audience on on our Facebook page and everything to see you know, how many of you listen to eat either or which one do you watch more? And um, last time we checked on Facebook, the vast majority of people said they watch online more than TV now, which I think is a pretty big paradigm shift. I'm not sure that a lot of the TV shows and networks out there. I mean, I think most people know it's coming, but I'm not sure people are moving on it fast enough. Um, I don't know from what I see. You know, obviously I'm a little bit biased to digital, I'll admit that, but I mean that's where things are going. You know. Well, historically the hunting industry has been an old a good old boys club, so to speak, and they've always been just a step or two behind when it comes to changing you know, advertising or or you know, changing marketing through television or or that kind of thing. Yeah, well, across all whether it's advertising or just where you're putting your content or where you're spending your time. But but I mean that's that's definitely not a rule. There's certainly are There are a lot of different people out there that are creating stuff and and and moving towards where people's attention is moving. There's a lot of smart people out there. They're doing really good stuff. So I don't want to say that you know, everyone out there on TV doesn't know what they're doing, because there's a lot of great stuff right So right, Um, but yeah, for me, like we just mentioned a second ago of everything I watch now is digital. Um. I still buy a couple DVDs every year because I like to take them on my rut trips or different trips to me and my buddies go out of state when we stay at some dingy hotel room and will just pop into DVD. But other than that, you know, everything else is is digital for me. So because of that, I'm a little bit behind probably on some current TV shows. To be honest, Like I back when I used to have cable, I used to watch a lot of hunting shows. Uh. And I'm sure you know what, we can talk about our opinions on that, um. But but now I'm not, you know, not checking that as often. I kind of like follow what people say about it online and stuff, but I'm not watching. Like I haven't seen the most recent episodes of basically any TV show now, So you might need to fill me in on some of those things. UM, but I don't know, do you. Let's talk about it hunting TV shows. We we've kind of bounced around this topic before and past episodes, but let's just confront it face on. How do you feel about them? Hunting kit television shows my personal opinion and is from an entertainment standpoint, I feel it's entertaining. You can sit there, you can watch a big bucket slammed, and you go home. But how how the hunting, How these hunting television shows perceives perceived hunting is way different than I feel of of the other hunters out there seeming how it's representing hunting, how it's representing And what I mean by that is a majority of these shows. And I'm not saying all shows, but I'm saying a majority show up to an outfitter, walk into a stand that they've they've never hung, uh, you know, property, they've never scouted. They sit in a stand because the outfit fitter told them to, and they kill a deer. I don't know about you, but I don't that's not how I hunt. An experience to that one. Yeah, I've never used an outfitter. I can't afford I can't afford it. I can't afford property to lease land, and I can't afford uh to purchase my own land. So there's three strikes right there against the way I hunt. Uh. And it's very hard for me to sit there and not only relate to them, but try to take something away from the show, because when you add the commercials, it's twenty two minutes. In my opinion, you can't tell a story in twenty two minutes if you want it to be educational, right, So it just and I've seen it. I just I don't know. I'm kind of I don't know. I don't know if you want to say underground or kind of a rebel against the whole thing. I just I did, you're so hardcore? I did, I'm hardcore? Did, But you know, I just I don't know. I just don't. I don't get it what I love about the shows any I'll get into the ones. I like, what's what's your opinion on it? Well, I'm gonna play Devil's advocat a little bit because I agree with most of what you're saying to um, But what I will say is right. You know, A popular complaint that we make sometimes and a lot of people make sometimes, just like you said, is you know, what you see on TV isn't realistic for most people. And a lot of these guys are just with an outfitter and blah blah blah blah, and they make it look super easy. And they make everyone think that it's easy, and then when we don't actually live that out, people are disappointed. Um So I definitely agree with a lot of that sentiment. I can relate to that personally. At the same time, it's kind of like kind of like McDonald's in that, um, McDonald's is making what the people want, and that even though it's not good for us, I'm still you know, some of us are still going to McDonald's and we're still getting our large fries and our big mac and all that stuff. And it's maybe not right for me to sue McDonald's for making me fat if I just keep on eating it, you know what I mean. It's one of those things that people, for whatever reason, most of us, those people get pretty geeked when we see big Bucks on TV. You know, it's kind of like our fantasy time. It's our aspiration time. And I just don't know. Now, maybe maybe in a perfect world, I wish that, you know, there'd be a hunting show where it shows the whole real life story of stuff and you never kill anything except around one episode, you know, and it's a disaster all the rest of the season, and you're frustrated and you're tired and you're cold, and man, that's the real stuff. But would that actually get people consistently watched all the time, and when people actually get pumped about that TV show and what advertisers sponsor that TV show and all that kind of stuff. I mean, I don't know if you know that would actually work for a lot of people. So from that standpoint, as I'm trying to play Devil's advocate for myself, I kind of get why some of these shows are like that because people keep watching them. You know. It's like, even though I can't relate to Lee and Tiffany or whatever because I don't have so many thousand acres and all that kind of stuff, you still kind of like seeing big deer and you know, to sit there and dream man to be sweet to have that farm. Um. So you know, I see it from both both sides of the coin um. And I'm not sitting here trying to hate on these quote unquote celebrities. But when you shoot a deer and the like, here's here's another pet peeve of mine. You shoot a deer and the first thing that comes out of your mouth mouth is thanking the outfitter or thanking some product or something. I can tell you right now. Let's be let's be cleared in. There's no way they would have killed that deer without the acorn cruncher was black crack. It almost makes me sick because knowing that in the back of their head, they they're thinking about and maybe me and you are purists, but they're thinking about something else other than the kill. You know, they draw back and they're like, Okay, let's shoot him, and then I gotta make sure I say this, So, where's that enjoyment, where's the you know, It's like they're so focused on trying to promote something instead of enjoying the hunt in the kill that to me, it just loses everything, It loses the power. Yeah, there's certainly there certainly are some instances where it's pretty phony. It's obviously contrived or overdramatized, not real and uh yeah, like you said, for me, that's a turn off. Um. And there's like there was a DVD I bought recently, um that I bought it. I've bought this stev like this Stevie that comes out every year for a long time, and um, this year, for whatever reason, I just noticed it seemed like every single hunt was an outfitter, and like it was just like over and over and over and over and over. There wasn't any you know, d I y hunts, or wasn't anyone who was doing things on their own farm. It's just like overwhelming, and like what you just said, the fact that the first thing they say is they think they're outfitter and they think their bow sponsor or whatever it is, like it just got to be too much for me, and I just like I didn't even finish. I was like, I'm just I think I'm done with this. Like, like you said, it's a big turn off. So I you know, I'm not trying to hate on anyone in particular, but there's some of this stuff that if it turns you and me off, it probably turns off a lot of other guys who, you know, if anyone should be forgiving of it, probably you and I should be because we're you know, involved in the in the quote unquote industry a little bit, and so if we get irritated by I can't imagine how people who you know totally aren't in it would feel too, you know, right, But you know, don't get me wrong, there's still a lot of shows out there that I find interesting, and I'll just name I'll just name a couple here, Anything, d I Y. So there's a guy named Solo Early. He does a show called Solo Hunter. I think it's called timber KNT, right, yeah, I think. So he goes out, throws up a tent, and he does what me and you did out in the Elk Woods. He sat in a tent with another man while it rained. All that. Now he's by himself. He's by himself. He doesn't have a partner, so way less weird than what you get. Way less weird. There's no uncomfortab situations in his in his tent continue. But you know, he he's he self films everything he goes out. He you know, tries to get awesome camera angles of these animals that he's shooting. And it's just it's relatable because you get to see how hard it can be sometimes, yeah, which we can definitely relate to anything. So anything d I Y. You know, um, the the other person that I really like watching. And maybe it's because when I when I grew up, me and my dad every Sunday night would watch National Geographics and uh, it was this awesome show that was on Sunday nights right before you know, we'd sit down with some popcorn and watch this and it was different places in the world are going to ocean exploration now. Uh. Jim Shocky his show, his new show, what's it called Uncharted? Uncharted where he goes to random places in the world. And it's not just the kind of random places. You know, when we think, uh and out of country hunt, we think Africa. Right, most of the time we're thinking Africa, and these guys are sitting at a watering hole and they're just waiting that That's not what really I see this show. This show is about culture, you know of and that's why the show is an hour long. But it's about culture. He shows the culture of the people of the area where he's hunting. He's showing, you know, the path up this fourteen thousand foot mountain to hunt of sheep that only lives in this particular area of Afghani, standard Nepal or wherever whatever country he's in. You know, it shows the the hard work and it actually takes to just plan and get to it, you know, not just the hunt itself, but there's an entire process that leads up to getting on the plane. A lot about that one, And how said, there's a lot of like focus on the culture and the adventure and everything, which sounds pretty cool. Yeah, so anything adventure, I mean, I love that stuff. As far as those are two that stick out to me nice, Yeah, those are those are two that like. I haven't seen the Charter, but I've heard a lot about it. And I have seen some Solar Hunter Solo Hunter earlier, earlier seasons when I was still watching TV, and they've got some stuff on YouTube I've watched too. Um, another couple shows I really like. Um, I've always been a big fan of Heartland, bow Hunter, those guys. I think they really kind of kicked off this revolution and like higher production value video when it comes to TV shows, you know, five six, seven years ago. Um, and they've always done a really good job with a storytelling. I always thought I liked it because like when I first started my full time job back in the fall two thousand nine, I got shipped out to our headquarters in San Francisco, as you know, and so I was out there during a hunting season. I couldn't do anything. So one of the things I did was I discovered Heartland Bow Hunter. They have their episodes online, and so I started watching those and like, I kind of just live vicariously through those stories since I couldn't go outside of do anything. So ever since then, I've always been a big fan of fan of what they've been doing because I just think they take, like the the visual they took, they take all the production and storytelling stuff really seriously. It makes it makes it better when you have good editing in good production value. It makes it better period. Oh yeah, dramatically. And Luckily since then a lot more shows have been taking things up a notch, so that's good. Um. My other show that I really like a lot is Meat Either with Stephen Ronnella. I'm a big Ronnella fan, and I always enjoy his focus on again the landscapes, the scenery of the story, the adventure, and lots of times he doesn't kill anything, but he's always talking about, you know, interesting things. I enjoy his the educational intellectual side of a lot of things he discusses, and then also the focus on food, which is super important. So like the Meat Eater show, which you can also download those episodes online. Um, you can get that meat eater dot vhex or something like that. Um. I haven't watched many of the recent shows, but some of the older I enjoyed the jury stuff. You know, we've we've enjoyed having Terry and Mark on the show. Um. So you know our episode with Mark and Terry, but they were incredible, right, We learned a ton um. So I've always enjoyed how the two of them especially always seemed to just kind of offer a little bit of insight before a lot of their hunts. And they do a pretty good job with their stories and stuff too. So those are some of the TV shows that I've enjoyed in the past. Um, have you seen the Juries show thirteen? Have you seen that one yet? Yep, I've seen it. Um kind of goes what it kind of goes through. They break down thirteen categories based on the White Tailed Year. Yeah, the phases of the of the yeah yeah, and and Mark explained those in our inner interview with him on episode sixty three. Um, but I thought they did a good job of that. Um. And they do a nice mix of you know, sharing theres apperiences and stuff with good hunts and you know that's a situation where they've got these incredible farms an incredible deer. But they make it relatable in at least that they share some of the stuff that goes on. It's not like they just showed up at a farm and kill the deer the first day. So I like that, right. The good thing about that is it's their farm. They're doing the work on it, you know what I mean. Yeah, it's not like they're going to an outfitter every time. Now, they probably do do do. I haven't watched a lot of the dreary stuff, but especially on TV, but I'm sure they they do their own work on their own farms. I'm sure they use outfitter. I know they use outfitters as well. But to see progress and storylines based off previous years, I find that interesting. Yeah, No, I definitely agree. I love the story, especially if it's like a multi year story, which is one of the things with with the juries especially, they've done a really good job of it because because you know, in honestly, because they have the the opportunity to do so with some of these farms that these deer can get multiple years. But shoot, there's been some storylines they've shared, you know, hunting a single deer. For having followed or photographed and gotten pictures in footage for three, four or five years, I mean that that's pretty cool, and you know, most of us probably won't get to experience something like that, but it's kind of fun still to to follow someone who did. So I've enjoyed that. Um. And then the DVDs from the juries those are probably those are the dvd is that I still do like to buy or get online because because of that, those same things. The DVDs are pretty good, So I like the Dreury DVDs. UM. As far as TV shows, those are those are the ones I found. Know there's a whole lot of other ones out there, um that you know, I'll click into and back when I used to have TV, I click into and watch and stuff. Um. A lot of people have interviewed on the podcast. I've got TV shows that are worth checking out. Adam Hayes. I think it's Team two hundred. I've seen a few other episodes, and you know, anything with Adam Hayes I find pretty fascinating, just because the guy is a legend. As far as I'm concerned, um, with how he's hunting and killing deer. So that's super interesting. Staying, Um, who else whatever? Well, you mentioned Shocky already, we've mentioned Hartland bow Hunter. Um, you know, I enjoy it watching Lee and Tiffany's show sometimes back in the day, just because I can think again to what we said. It's just kind of fun dreaming about having a place like that. I mean, can you imagine hunting spot like that where they're passing booners because they're only three years old. Yeah, that'd be pretty sweet. That'd be uh be a change of pace for me. Yeah, yeah, that would be that would be pretty cool. So, so there's some interesting ones out there. Um, what about web shows. There's a lot of good stuff online when it comes to video content. Do you watch some of that stuff too? Yeah, I tell you what. Uh Midwest Whitetail and some of my favorite episodes are the tree the tree stand trimming episodes where they're going out into the timber and then they talk about why they're putting a stand in this location in relationship to food plots, betting areas, travel corridorders, pinch points and all that stuff. That's one of the nicest things about the digital format, the online format, is that you can have an episode like that that you know, you don't need to worry about people getting bored and leaving or whatever. You know, when I think these guys have got a TV show and they've got twenty two minutes and ads, you know, they're kind of forced to put in, you know, certain things to try to keep viewers and stuff like that. But with the digital format, you can have a seven minute episode that's just about triming a tree, and then the next week you could have a twenty minute episode about a deer hunt. The next week they can share five minutes about a food plot. Um and lots of opportunity for education. Ye so yeah, I love that. And I think on your little list here, and one that I consume the most of is carbon TV. Yeah. So Carbon TV is is essentially like an online network of TV shows and videos and stuff like that for hunting and all sorts of other outdoor recreation. To what shows you watch on carbon TV? Okay, so obviously the Heartland bull hunter stuff. But the other day I watched PBR Rodeo. I don't know why, but I just I got into it and I watched like five or six episodes of bull riding. Is it just bull riding or is it like a reality series about the bull riders. I don't know if it is or not, but there's a lot of bull riding. It could be interesting stuff, huh yeah, interesting and anything you know, and then anything out west, like stuff that I don't get experienced a lot. So there's a couple of shows out there that are dedicated to like mountain hunting or elk and sheep. You know, there's you know, it's coming to that point in my life where it's very there's very slim chance I ever get to go and hunt a big horn sheep, just because of the odds it takes to get drawn in some of these zones. And so I just love watching things that I probably won't ever get to do. Yeah, it's nice to dream, that's for sure, especially that adventure stuff out West or Alaska or the UK, that kind of stuff that I agree. I love that stuff just to sit there and think about it, wonder what would be like and just kind of like mountain porn for me. Yeah, that's pretty good. But yeah, lots of good stuff on Carbon TV. Um Growing Dear TV is a good one, especially if you're interested in like management stuff that's with Dr Grant Woods, who was a guest on the podcast last year. Um. He does like weekly episodes which are great with showcase like his hunts and then also a lot of detail about his management plans, his habitat work, his food, plot work, pritor control everything. UM. So if you're looking to learn about management stuff, that's a really good one to watch. UM. And like you said, Midwest White Tail Bill Winky does a great job both with hunts and big deer and stories, but then also education. I like that. Um. You know, Uh, White Knuckles web show I think has done a really good job over the years. And you were involved with that for a long time, Dan and I enjoyed your stuff there. And you know, I think John Mulligan or our friend John, just had an episode released there which is pretty cool. So good stuff on that front. Uh. Have you seen Montana Wild videos Montana Wild, No, I have not. They're doing some cool stuff. You want to watch some Western hunts. They do some fly fishing and then a whole bunch of different Western hunts. Um. They've got some really cool videos on their YouTube and video channel. I'd recommend that they're out of Montana obviously. UM. But They've just got a really good style to what they do and good storytelling. I think more like short films are not like frequent episodes, just like handful of films every year. But um, I like those, you know what, which bring me to a point when you are which, Yeah, whatever you just said sparked an idea in my head and that's why I'm gonna say words right now. Well that's good. That's a good start proceed the short season. Ah yeah, Simon, I don't Yeah, whoever that guy is, uh he that or his corporation or his little production company that that puts those together. I really like those. And the cool thing about that is there's there's a little bit of interviews, but a majority of it is just good footage that you know, just because there is a video of a guy putting up a tree stand, you don't need to have a voiceover of a guy putting up a tree stand, you know what I mean. It's just like they let the footage do the talking and it's edited very well. Yeah he does. They do a very good job, beautiful footage. So yeah, that's a good one the short season. Um. And also one of the sites I mentioned that I was going to mention which showcases a lot of stuff. Is called hunter VIDs dot com, which is another kind of destination site that houses a whole bunch of videos and people can submit their videos and stuff. So if you're looking for some different films or shows that are available online, like we said, carbon tv is a good one to discover new ones, and then hunter VIDs dot com is another good one, um to find all out of these homes and stuff. Um. Donny Vincent one of our guests on the past episode, He's got a lot of great short films and stuff available online. Um, that's definitely worth checking out. Two yeah. Um. Bow Hunter Die is another one our friends that Todd Graff and Justin's are do a great job. But that I think. Um, so that's at bow hunting dot com. Do you do you get to watching of those? Oh yeah, I watch. Uh, I don't get to watch it as much as I'd like, but I'm familiar with it and I they do the same thing similar to kind of like the Midwest White Tail where they go through the entire season, food plots, street trimming, everything. Yeah. Yeah, and they put it. They put a lot out. I mean, they do a good job. It's uh, and it's tough to do that. You know. I've tried to do frequent web videos and stuff about the season, and you know, my little tiny operation here struggles with it. So I know it takes a lot of time and energy and people. So so these guys like Midwest white Tail Growing, Dear bow Hunter Die, I mean mad props to them and what they're doing, that's for sure. Um, any other video stuff that that we haven't mentioned it, Dan that you think we should. Any other recommendations, No, I don't. Nothing that pops off right on top of my head. All right. Well, before we move on to the next category, though, we do need to pause briefly for a word from our sponsors of this episode, Bear Archery. And as I mentioned last week, one of the most fascinating things about bear archery is their history haven't been founded by the legendary Fred Bear. And so this week, as we did last time, I wanted to share a quote from Mr Bear that I think will all be able to relate to. So here we go and I quote, life in the open is one of my finest rewards. I enjoy and become completely immersed in the high challenge and increased opportunity to become, for a time a part of nature. Deer hunting is a classical exercise in freedom. It's a return to fundamentals that I instinctively feel our basic and right end quote. So if you'd like to learn more about Fred, the history of bear Are Tree, or what's new with bear Ar Tree, visit bear ar tree dot com. And now back to the show. All right, let's let's move to another category. What about books? Do you do you know how to read? Do you read? Asshole? A kid? A kid? Do you have any I'm a super book nerd, so maybe this is a category from me. But do you have any recommendations on the book front? You know I do not. The last time I read any type of book was actually during our Western hunt. And I want to tell you what was the one with a guy who headed out west? What was his name? Uh? George byrd Grannell? Ye, George Bird? Canell send me that book when you're done reading it so I can finish it up. Yes, I did finish as I'll send it to you. That's one of the books I was gonna recommend, so i'd said, I'll just I'll start off there I'll try to not make this too boring, but I've got a blog post and actually had a blog post about our the top recommended online shows and videos and all that kind of stuff. I'll link to that in this blog post. But also for books, I've got a huge recommended reading list. But I thought i'd share a couple of my favorites for any of you readers out there, And like you just mentioned, Dan, one of them is called The Last Stand, and it's the story of the buffalo, the American bison, and George Bird Grinnell, who was the original founder and editor of Forest and Stream magazine which eventually became Field and Stream, which obviously we all know today. UM, super interesting story about, you know, how the whole you know, what happened with buffalo in America, how they were nearly extirpated, how they nearly went extinct, and then how people like George Berg Grennell and Teddy Roosevelt and some of these other guys were able to intervene and change a lot of things to allow that species to recover. And all the other big game species now like deer and elk and bears and everything else out there. But basically these guys, these hunter conservationists who who've talked about before, Um, they where our forefathers that allow us to now do what we do today. So it was a great book examining that history and um Man super interesting both from a story standpoint and like the history of us as hunters and conservations. So I'd highly recommend that to anyone who wants to better understand, you know, the history of conservation and how we hunters actually you know, are our our ancestors were a big part of that. So I'll get you that book, Dan, because I think you'll like it. Sweet sweet um. On the conservation standpoint, another really good one is The Sand County Almanac by Ela Leopold. This is a book that kind of established a lot of the conservation ethic that we still follow today about ecosystems and how hunting can fit into that and and all sorts of stuff. So that's a really good one to read on a conservation standpoint. Um any of the books by Steven Ronella. We were talked about Ronelle, but he's got three like novels out um, well not novels, but three nonfiction books that I really recommended all that kind of cover all Steve's different hunting adventures and things like that, Um, The Scavenger's Guide to Hot Cuisine, Meat Eater, and The American Buffalo, which is another interesting look at the story of buffalo and conservation in America, and then his own personal hunt for buffalo. Those are three really good ones. UM. When we had Shane Mahoney on Dan, I don't know if you remember me mentioned this book, but it's a book called The Hunter's Heart. That's a really good one. UM. It's a series of different essays and short stories by a whole bunch of different people, UM, all about hunting and various topics related to conservation ethics, how we talk about hunting. UM, I mean a lot of different things. I think we hunters should just be thinking about. Um. That's a really good one. UM. So so those are some good ones that are kind of like thinker books, UM, that make you think about hunting and the deferent aspects of it if you just like good stories. Field and Stream released a book like a year or two ago, like the Best Hunting Story, His Best American Hunting Stories. I think, um that was a fun one. UM. Bill Heavee is a writer for Field and Stream. He does like the back page column. I don't know if you've ever seen his back page articles, but they're super funny. He's got three books that are really good um as far as like learning about hunting, like educational stuff. Here's something that i'd recommend. We had John Eberhardt on the show this past summer, and if you listen to the episode, you know he's got a wealth of information. Well, he co authored three books with his son that that are terrific. One was Precision bow Hunting, another one is bow Hunting white Tail's Eberhart Way, and I think another one's Jeez Hunting Highly Pressured white Tails or something like that. And then his son Chris wrote one called white Tail Access, which is a really cool book that followed his one single hunting season. This is when you would like about a lot dan um. It follows his hunting season where he lived out of a van and hunted like all across the country and like did a super cheap like on a shoe string budget. Like he lived in his van. He showered with like a bucket of water, he ate cold soup every night, and hunted in Wisconsin and North Dakota and Missouri and uh shoot a couple other places, Michigan a little bit. Um. And then within throughout that story, each place he went he went into detail of like how we scouted, how we set up diagrams of where he hung his tree stands. It's like a great story and educational. So, um, that's a really good one. I think I think you should checked that one out. What was the name of that again? White Tail access by by Chris Eberhardt. Um, Jeff Sturgis, we've had him on the show a couple of times. Um, you remember him right then? We enjoyed that. He's got three books now. He just released his third book, so white Tail Success by design white Tail Food Plots by design and Mature Buck Hunting by Designer. Yeah, Mature Buck Success by Designer. His three books, those are really good. I'm just starting his third one. Um, I'm gonna I'm not gonna try to run through every single book and think of what the ebra hard books are great. Craig and Neil Doherty, we've had both of them on the show. They have several books that are great. We've had Don Higgins on the show. His books are great. Um. And then the third one. Have you ever seen the book mapping Trophy Bucks. I am not. That's when you should check out for sure. It's by Brad Herndon and basically the whole book is um it's basically all about how various terrain features and topography influenced deer movement and how you can set up on that. Um. So there's lots of maps, top all maps and diagrams and all sort of stuff, covers you know, how dear use ridges, how they use funnels, how they use saddles and ridges, all sorts of stuff like that. So really good detailed book for if you want to learn about how dear you use terrain. I want to get Brad on the show someday. UM. So that's a good one too. UM. I've got a million of other recommendations. I'm sitting here looking at my bookshelf and it's it's stacked with books. But I won't run through too many of these. But check out the blog post. I'll link to it. Our Ultimate, Our Ultimate Recommended Reading Lists for hunters has got tons of books. If you like to read, We've got a lot of recommendations for you there. You happen to have anything like white Tail cliff notes, like hunting white Tail cliff notes or Hunting white Tail for Dummies that might be right up my alley. Yeah, there's a couple out there that my phone like category this is a buck, this is a dough that would be helpful when but yeah, those cold books that recommend you should definitely check those out, Dan, Um, I think there's a lot of good stuff out there. Do you read any hunting magazines? Yes? I do? What about those guttny you like? Well, I tell you what I grew up on, field and stream and outdoor life, mainly outdoor life. Um I my favorite. When I was growing up, my dad would get those where my mom would get those magazines for me and uh, I love the cartoon the illustration about uh, something crazy that happened in the woods, like a guy you know, falls out of his canoe on a canoe trip and he has to survive until you know, he gets up enough energy to walk, you know, through the woods to a road. Or a guy gets attacked by a bear, or a guy shoots. This is my favorite one. I'll always remember it. Guy gets a brand new rifle for Christmas, he goes out, he shoots, uh, he shoots a buck. He sets his rifle in the rack of the buck steps back to take take a picture. When the camera flashed, went off, the buck got up, ran away with his rifle in his rack. You know, those kind of crazy stories. But that's the same. Yeah, that on top of all the other great content that Outdoor Life is you know, put out through the decades that they've been a magazine. Yeah, they're getting a little bit uh, a little bit lax with their standards of who they let in their magazine though, now Dan, oh yeah, just anybody can do it. Well, if that Kenyan guy can get in there, it's say, agreed, Agreed, No, I I agree with in all seriousness, love what they're doing Outdoor Life in Field and Stream Um great, you know, I really enjoy you know, especially the stories, like the adventure stories and great photography, and and then also the fact that they do tackle both those magazines tackle some of the tougher topics that you know, we like to try to talk about here, the conservation or ethics or different things like that that we try to speak speak to sometimes that you don't see a whole lot in other magazines. And I think they do a good job of of touching on that. Just the most recent issue of Field and Stream and Outdoor Life both both kind of cover stuff like that, like in Field and Stream the most recent episode issue. I don't know if if you saw the most recent issue or not UM, but there's like a kind of a state of the white Tail in the Country again, so covering a whole bunch of things and how things have changed over the last five years, which interestingly, we are going to have hopefully knock on would if if the everything goes it's supposed to next week, we are going to have a State of the white Tail report with Kip Adams like we had last year, but we're in due the two thousand and sixteen edition now and get all the updates on what's new in the white tail world, so that would be good. But they did kind of a version of that in Field and Stream, which was interesting, and then Outdoor Life did a whole feature about the North American model of conservation, the North American Wildlife UM kind of conservation ethic, and they cover the seven kind of main principles and we've talked about that with I think with Shane Mahoney we talked about that UM. But they're they're kind of examining each one of those different principles and then you know maybe how things need to be updated a little bit, or what we need to focus on here in the in the nude kind of generation. So that was interesting. We're checking out. Um, do you read any of the deer magazines? I have a subscription into a North American White Tail, you know, fun stories and that I love. The big buck stories are kind of cool. Ye yep. I like North American Whitetail and deer and deer hunting is good. One quality White Tails, the magazine from Qualitier Management Association is really really great if you're interested in the management stuff, habitat improvement, food plotting, um, you know, aging deer, all that kind of stuff. Great resource for that type of thing too, right. Um, you know what magazine I really love That's become like one of my favorites. And it's interesting because I only hunt out a week or two a year, But Bogle Magazine, the magazine produced by the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, It's like maybe the best hunting related magazine out there over everything. I'm I think like they just do an awesome job, like really great stories, deep deep stories. Um, it's just like really good writing. It's thick, it's full of like lengthy in depth articles that lots of times you don't get in some of the other magazines that I really like it. Um. If you're not a member of the Rocky Mountain of Foundation, it's worth joining just to get the magazine. UM. Stuff like that one a lot. Yeah, North American Whitetail has been in my mailbox for a while now, and it's it's one of those where not only do you get to see how average Joe's basically or are killing big deer, and it also brings a little strategy into it, you know that you know obviously the wind direction and the food plots and or you know, hey, I pulled my truck up to a piece of public land, was my first day hunting, and I shot a deer. Yeah, you definitely do get some of those, ye, But yeah, it's it's one of those fun, fun ones because for the most part, most of those stories are just average guys you know, and their giant deer, so you can kind of it's like a relatable way to German about big deer. I guess, so I like that a lot. Um. You know, the Peterson's magazines are good. I like those. Eastman's Western magazines are good. I like those. Um, I think those are most of the hunting magazines that I check out. Anything else that that we haven't covered on that front, Oh Man, I know this is a hunting or a deer hunting podcast, But whenever I got Field and Stream for some reason when I was in high school, I loved fishing, and in Field and Stream they had a ton of ways to detailed ways about how to work your reel and rod and and how to you know what structure underneath the water you should be focusing on on different times types of year or a different times a year. And um, I went to Fuel and Stream a lot for my for my fishing information. Yeah, they've got them and out There Life. They both have some good fishing content. I've been getting really into fly fishing recently since I was out west last summer seven, buying a bunch of fly fishing magazines too. There's some, there's some. They do a great job with photography, I've noticed, like the fly fishing magazines have got some of the best photography of anything I've seen out there, just like they've got these full like two page spreads of like just unbelievable photos that like just like suck you into the environment. I think we need to try to get that brought into the hunting world a little bit better because they're they're knocking out of the park. Do you when you go out fly fishing? Do you catch fish every day? You catch fish every day? So they got some time too. It's not like deer hunting where you can go walk around the woods and uh take pictures because you scoop the deer. But for fly fishing, if you you may have some spare time to take some extra pictures, It's true, that's true. They're definitely worth time. It might be just because I'm an awful fly fisherman dance. That's definitely possible. So so those are the magazines we've covered, shows and videos and books and magazines. What about what about what we're doing right here podcasting? Do you listen to any other hunting related podcasts? Yeah, I tell you, I've got into the uh um oh hunt talk with what's his name Randy Newberg? Randy Newberg obviously, but on the way to the A t A this show, uh this year A t A show this year. I probably listened to six j Scott Outdoors podcasts, and although it's very some of them, some of them were very specific on like mule deer in what zone and stuff like that that probably doesn't for it was just how they did it and the way they did it that and they're basically just told a story or you know, about what they did when they went on these hunts or what they're going to do, and it was I find I found it pretty interesting. Although it's way out of my element, I found it interesting. And I consumed a lot of Jay Scott Outdoors podcast and that's that's all Western hunting and fishing, right, ye, Western, Let's see. I don't think they even he I don't know if I've ever heard a podcast with him talk about white tales. Yeah, I don't think I have either. But uh, but to your point, interesting stuff about elk and mule deer and if you want to do Western hunting, that's a good one to check out. Another Western podcast that I've been hearing a lot of good things about is The Gritty Bowman. That's supposed to be really good one. I've got to check that out a little bit. Sounds like they're doing a good job. Um. And then I agree with you. I really enjoy Randy's hunt Talk podcast. That's great. And then um, the Meat Eater podcast from Ronnella of course enjoy his his conversations on there. Those are the two. Those are the two hunting podcasts that I like listen to regularly. Those are the only two hunting podcasts I listened to like consistently. I'm gonna always listen to all those episodes. They're just good for Both of those do a really good job of just diving into issues and thinking about different things and just getting in the nuts and bolts that they're not necessarily tactic focus. Sometimes they talk a little bit about tactic, but mostly it's about a place or a certain issue going on, um or stuff like that, which I enjoy. Yeah. Um, oh what else is out there? The Big Buck Registry is another good deer hunting podcast. They focus primarily in more stories like they bring in someone and they have them share their deer hunting story. Um, but that's a good one. Um. Michigan out of Doors has been running a podcast recently but which I got to check out, and they're doing a good job. Oh gosh, there's a gear podcast out there. There's a deer hunting gear podcast. Um, that kind of it's okay. The guy who does it's a huge douche. Oh my gosh, he's the worst. He's really the worstst The Nine Finger Chronicles podcast is awesome. That's another good one to check out, right, that's right. It's probably the second. It's probably the second most popular podcast period on the Internet, and primarily because of the interview you did with Quiet Cat that I saw just recently. Tell me you got us a free cup Quiet Cat. Oh I did not. I don't. It's not like a dozen arrows from Easton. They can't just they can't just ship me a quiet cast. I just all I want is like you just leaned over a little tiny quiet cat scooting through the woods. That is a vision I want to see. Oh man, I have to put like a bicycle ringer on it, or like a horn on it, bling bling bling bling ling. Yeah, that'd be good. Yeah, we gotta we gotta do our shameless plugs, right, oh yeah, not unfair Chronicle is great. And then the other podcast that I run is The White Tail Q and a podcast answering listeners submitted questions. So those are definitely too that hopefully right, but hopefully we're doing a good job with us. So the Wired Hunt podcast, let's see, it's on a different level. It's on a different level. You think it's it's past the stratosphere. Well, if I, if you weren't blown smoke on my ass, would be pretty happy about that. Oh and the cool thing about this is, I don't know about you, but I get emails every single day with guys saying I tell you what, and not all of them led to a successful season in them in the means of a kill. But hey, they they they say, Dan and Mark, thanks for you know, putting this content out on the podcast with so and so. I got some um got some advice and I implemented that into the woods and it got me close or I got my first buck kill, or I got the buck that I was after for three years. Now. You know, one little thing that that they learned on this podcast could help them be successful or get closer. That's that's rewarding. That's pretty cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and all and all honesty. You know, I don't know how the Wired Hunt podcast stacks up compared all the others out there, but I sure I'm thankful that it sounds like you know, like you said, we get tons of messages and reviews and tweets and Facebook messages and everything about people that have found it helpful, and that is super cool. I'm just so glad that we can help people out and that people enjoy it and either it's you know, helping someone kill a deer or just helping them get through a long day at work. Um, like you said, very rewarding. So so I hope that you know, it seems like from what we're hearing, seems like people are enjoying it, and I hope we can continue to to do a good job. So we gotta we gotta step it up, Dan, we gotta keep it going. There's no such thing as Plateau's anymore. We have to continually take it to the next level. I agree, Okay, Mark, all right, let's do it. Let's stick to it. So I think that covers most of the podcasts that I can think of off the top of my head. Anything. Oh, you know what, I enjoy the Joe Rogan podcast when he has someone on related to hunting. You ever listening to Joe's stuff? Yes, I have, especially like the gym Shocky, the the Cameron Haynes episodes, those are two that stick out. I know he's had other hunt is on there, but those are two. I think he had rebby Warren Onto and then he's had like six with with what excuse me with Ronnellalla. Yeah, so yeah, I can think those are the ones I know of Ronella Shocky, Warren Haynes, and uh yeah, as far as I can think, So those are those are fun to listen to. What about other resources? Are there any other whether it's online or anything else, any other deer hunting or just hunting in general resources that you like to check out? Blogs, websites, forums, any of that. I tell you I stay away from. I try to stay away from forums. Um, I've been, you know. I used to be a part of Hunting Fool on that website where that gave you a whole bunch of information on Western like zone stats and success rates and all that stuff, and the forums and that there was good information, but obviously it had to pay to get the good stuff. But some of those forums, especially you know, I'll just say it archery talk. I just feel that if you ask a question there might be a couple of sincere answers, but then they always go off on a tangent and they throw hate towards somebody else's response and it and it quickly goes off of the actual topic. So, and that was just there's like two or three examples that I asked. I asked some questions. Um, I know it's not all like that, but I just kind of got a sour taste in my mouth for my first time experiences. Yeah, I definitely experienced that too. I used to be more engaged on forums back in the day, but I've had a lot of experiences like that where just a lot of people get nasty. Like you said, that's not all the time. There's plenty of great forums out there and this good stuff and it can be helpful, but it's a bummer when it just gets into a bunch of trolls yelling at people. Right, And I've got some good information off some of those off some of those sites, but not thing that you know, would want me to continually go back. Yeah. You know, one forum though that I do actually go to to learn stuff and like that I have found consistently positive is dan in Faults for um hunt. I think that's just a bunch of hardcore guys, super hardcore. Yeah. That's luckily you know, I know that we're doing things right here on the word hunt podcast when people from the Hunting Beast like what we're doing, because those are like hardcore serious hunters, um, and so it's always nice to hear that they're enjoying the podcast. And so that's a good one if you if you really want to get into some serious d I y stuff and talk about stuff and getting the nitty gritty. Um, there's some cool things on that site. UM. Yeah that's about it for forums for me. Bowinning dot com has got a pretty good forum, UM, but I just don't have as much time for it as I used to. Deer and Deer Hunting as a forum that I used to be active on back in the day, but again no more time now. UM. I check a lot of different deer hunting blogs, um, you know, because I do the Friday more in a mash up post every Friday, UM where I kind of highlight what I think are the top articles from various hunting blogs across the world wide Web. So I check a bunch of those, um for like conservation stuff. You know, we talked the other day about how it's kind of hard to stay on top of conservation issues, you know. UM. Three blogs that I followed to keep up on that stuff, which I highly recommend are the Open Country Blog from Outdoor Life, The Conservationist, which is one of the fielding stream blogs, and then the TRCP blog from the Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership who we talked to with from the other day. Those are three blogs that share a lot of conservation stuff. UM. There's some good hunting stuff like hunting articles and tips and stuff on the Antler Geeks website which some of my friends from some of my friends run. UM. Real tree dot com has got some good articles. UM. Cutie may dot com is another one, especially, like I've mentioned before, if you suely interested in the habitat and managements of the best resources out there for that UM which speaking of, I mentioned earlier that Kip's going to be on the show here soon to talk about the state of the white Tail Union for two thousands sixteen. UM. They just released their two thousand sixteen white Tail Report, which is you gotta check it out if you haven't yet. Dan um incredible resource kind of outlining all the different harvest data from this past year, from the most recent season. That stuff's available for and all sorts of different current issues going on with deer um really interesting. You can download that. It's a great pdf you and downland for free from their website. So that's a great resource. Um. What else here? Any other sites you follow? Blogs or anything? Um? You know? I do occasionally go to the Outdoor life one, but that's about it, you know. Um. Jeff Sturgis is white Tail Habitat Solutions website is a good one. He's got some good articles throughout the year. The post um recommend that. I think those are all main websites and resources that I follow. There's a ton and like I mentioned the Friday morn mashup, check out where to hunt on Friday. As usually I try to link up as many different articles as I can find there. Um, if you're looking for news sites to follow, that's a good spot to get some some ideas too, So perfect. I don't know man any other any other resources deer hunting crap that you like to follow on a cold, nasty day when you can't go outside. Anything worth getting. I think we mentioned a majority of it all, right. I think that's about all I've got too, So plus I hear my daughter screaming upstairs, so that brings my podcast time to an end. I did do that. I was like, all right, Dan's about to have to scoot the house, so hopefully I hope this is interesting. We weren't necessarily sharing tips or stories or anything, but you know, some some good resources to check out. So we will have links to as much of the stuff as I can remember on the Wired Hunt blog for this podcast, so be sure to check that out. And uh, otherwise, you know, if you've been enjoying this show, please do leave a rating or review on iTunes. That's a huge help. Uh, make sure to check out the two other podcasts we mentioned that Dan and I run the White Tail Q and a podcast in the Nine Finger Chronicles podcast. Um, and of course we do need to think our partners who helped make the wire Dump podcast possible, so big thank you too, Sick of Gear, Trophy, Ridge Bear Archery, Redneck Blinds, Hunter Maps, Ozonics, Carbon Express, Lacrosse Boots, and the White Tail Institute of North America. And with that, Dan, I think we're gonna wrap things up. And one final thing, Dan, I'm I'm waiting for you to host a podcast. How soon are we gonna do that? When are you going to host an episode? Well, let me get some things set up. I think I know what I want to do. Um, it's actually it's not going to be a joke. I'm not gonna get Rick Flair or Haul Cogan on the show, although I would like to. I think got I think maybe in March. All right, sweet, I'm looking forward to I liked the idea you float it out there the other day, so if that ends up happening, that's gonna be pretty cool episode. So I think everyone, Um, it'll be fun from the standpoint that you'll be hosting and I could be lazy, but also it sounds like we'll learn some good stuff too, so it sounds good. All right man, Well, thank you everyone for listening. We appreciate it, hopefully as these resources will come in handy for you on some cold days in the future. And until next time, have a great week and stay wired to hunt.

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