00:00:02 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host, Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm your host, Mark Kenyan. Is this episode number two hundred and thirty nine, and today on the show, we're chatting with Lee Ellis and Drew Carroll from Seque Productions about the unbelievable deer hunting success they're having in the suburbs of Atlanta, Georgia. Before we get into the main show, though, we need to do kind of a little intro to the intro, beginning first with a thank you to our partners at Lacrosse Boots for their support of this podcast. I've now worn my new pair of Alpha Burly Pro knee high rubber boots on hunts this year in Montana, North Dakota, and Michigan. I've worn them in temperatures all the way up to the nineties and down into the fifties. Have crossed rivers, I've slid down canyons, I've climbed up trees, I've snuck their standing bean fields, and through all that, I've been comfortable. I've been dry, and I've left as minimal of ascent print as I think you can get with a boot. So all in all, these boots have been great for me so far, and all the other Lacrosse boots I've worn over the last I don't know, ten fifteen plus years they've been terrific as well. So all that's to say that if you are in the market for a new pair of deer hunting boots, my suggestion would be to point you in the direction of Lacrosse Footwear dot Com to check out the options they have available. In other news, as many of you know, Wired Hunt is now a part of meat Eater, Inc. It is this new media company founded by Stephen Ronnella which I am now a part of. Two and our big studying announcement this week is that the newest season of the Meat Eater TV show has just launched as a Netflix original And this is the first hunting show ever to be in Netflix original So this is a really big deal for the hunting community and and also just you know, a great show too, so it's neat. It's cool, especially that I'm actually featured in this season as my caribou hunt from last year's in there. It's two episodes. I got to check them out a couple of days ago, and I might be biased since I was in them, but I think they turned out incredibly well. Um, it was a pretty moving to get to watch that and relive that. So i'd encourage you guys to check out the new season. It's right up there on Netflix Meat Eater with Steve Ronnella. I think you'll enjoy it. And that now brings us to the real reason we're here today, which is to talk dear and specifically talk about suburban bow hunting. In this episode and this one, I think is is really really unique and it's especially interesting as these guys Lee and Drew, they've developed a set of hunting strategies that have allowed them to target truly world class deer right in the neighborhoods and suburbs of a major metro era. It's it's fascinating stuff. And whether you're targeting mature or quote unquote big bucks yourself, or if you're simply trying to just learn a deer hunt and you'd be happy to put any deer in the freezer, I think there's something for you to learn here today. Now that's said, if you're really excited about that content. If you want to skip our long rambling pregame show with my buddy Dan Johnson and me as we discuss our recent deer hunts and plans, you can fast forward about twenty five minutes or so from here. But if you've got the time and the patients to delve into the life and adventures of myself and Dan nine fingers Johnson, stick around, because here we go. All right, welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by Onyx, and today we're talking about something very different than the usual. We're talking suburban deer hunting. We're joined by the guys from Seek One Productions. These guys are out of Atlanta, Georgia, and they are they're actually hunting the suburbs of Atlanta, like neighborhoods, backyards. They're they're killing some absolutely amazing deer down there. They're doing it on small properties with tons of people around, bizarre situations, um, and they're they're absolutely getting the job done. Have you seen any other videos, don Yeah, it's it's crazy what they do. And you know, I'll give them credit. They do some pretty amazing things as far as access and strategy and these micro food plots and cool things like that. But it's crazy watching a hunting video with a swing set in the background. Yeah, it's it's it's a little different than the corn fields and the wide vistas that we sometimes get, but it's It's pretty cool though, because I feel like what these guys are doing kind of shows that you can still get out and hunt and have a great time even if you don't have a big family farm, or even if you don't live out in the country where there's a bunch of land. Um. You know, it comes back down to that whole access challenge, right, So many people are struggling to find places to hunt. Um, maybe they're not close to public land or whatever. Here's a group of folks that are showing you can get it done in the neighborhood. Um, And I think that's that's kind of encouraging, I think for a lot of people. And I actually got my start bow hunting in this kind of scenario. I know I've told the story before, but I started bow hunting on my parents three acres that we lived on in a neighborhood and the first year I ever killed, I killed it right after two people and their dog walked through our property. Right in front of me and I got out of the blind. I was all upset, huffing and puffing over to him. Um, and then yeah, a half hour later, here comes this little buck. So these guys, I think, have got some very interesting things to share, like you said, interesting tactics, um, interesting solutions to getting access. So I'm pumped about it. I'm excited to have this conversation. So this is gonna be This is gonna be a great podcast for anybody who maybe even is has it been hunting, or doesn't think they have the deer where they live to go out and find it like these guys do. Yeah, yeah, I think this is it's a great entry point for people. You know, just go and knock on some doors right where you live and you might be a hunt right there. So it's gonna be interesting and it's funny. I actually know a guy who, you know, he's got a hard time getting out Tory hunts. His main hunting property is like an hour and a half away. It's hard to get, you know, to find the time right You've got family obligations. And if only this guy had a little property right in the suburbs, right where he lived, and he could hunt, you know, just for an hour or two in between when he's got time with the family and the kids. If only that guy could hear this podcast and learn about it, he might actually hunt on opening day or the second day of the of the season, or the third day of this season. Do you know what a guy like that? Dan? Yeah, I know him. Oh is it too soon? Is it too close to home? Does that? Does that guy have three kids? I have a wife who has two jobs too, and only nine fingers, and only nine fingers. That's me. It's it's it's been crazy, though, dude, it's been crazy. Talk to me about it. I just I mean, the weather was really good today. Is we're recording this on a what a Wednesday? And it's hot now, right, So I'm not going to go out tonight, But um, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday my wife has to work, okay, so that means I don't get to go out. However, I'm I think I'm gonna be able to get out Saturday morning and Sunday morning and just do some some sneak attacks type stuff. But my big news is that this past weekend and I broke I broke a cardinal rule, but I had to one cardinal Yeah. So my cardinal rule, dude, do not go into the timber until you're gonna hunt it, you know, in September. Don't just leave it alone. But I haven't had that the opportunity to get out and go change up my trail cameras off the summer mineral sites and to the pinch points, the fence crossings, the travel corridors you know down you know, the historically good places for the deer season. I haven't made that trail camera transition. So I said I had. Here's here's my options. One is, as these deer just straight up stop using the mineral stations, I'm gonna have no intel going to my hunts, right because I you know, just like a lot of us, we use trail cameras to you know, help us figure out where these deer are at. So I said, I'm gonna run that risk. I'm gonna go in and i'm gonna do my trail camera switch the day obviously, the day before opening day. Now, knowing that I wasn't gonna hunt for that farm for two weeks made me feel a little better. But what makes me feel really good is of some of the intel that I got off those trail cameras on this last trip, and the fact that now they're in a really good position for the upcoming season. So it's I take it away as a win. I don't think I intruded too much. I mean it has rained since then, so I think it just kind of was the perfect storm, if that makes sense. Yeah, and you certainly are doing better than a lot. I mean a lot of people are at tempted to go in there like twice a week checking their cameras and things like that. So making making one quick check, I think you're uh, you're doing all right. And to your point, sounds like you've got some great intel that that should inform those future hunts. So we I gotta I gotta hear. I mean I sort of know about some excetting stuff, but I need to hear more. Right. So, I got a picture of dork Hard Horn on the September right at last light. I mean it would have been not shooting light, but just right at the tail end. So this is the first for him to be this. You know, it's a buck I've been watching since two thousand and thirteen, right, and now he's on my trail cameras a lot more. And he's hard horned right so, and he's close to daylight. So we'll see what happens when I go and check my trail cameras, probably next Friday, after I get off work, before I go in for that that evening hunt of kind of what's you know, what the area is telling me. But I have dork who as of is in the area. I have another buck that was the twenty three or six who's definitely a shooter. He's a four year old ten with junk. I posted a picture of him on social media and he's a shooter. Yep. Passed on him last year as a three year old, probably in the one fifties. He didn't make too many. Yeah, he didn't make a big jump last year from from last year to this year, except for he's got some more junk. He's just a little bit bigger. But I'm saying that buck somewhere around the one low one fifties, and he's got some He's got split brows, which is pretty cool, with some some junk coming off from a couple, some junk coming off one of the antlers a couple. You know, I think I have my even one or two four year olds that are still around. One's up here, like one forty class eight pointer um, and then another ten that's kind of in the area. And then you know, you heard me talk about the mega giant, you know that that really big one that I send you pictures of and uh, that we talked about on the last time, the last podcast we were able too. He stuck around all the way until that notorious shift right that we talked about, the September shift when they when they when the deer start to go hard horn. And then I didn't get a picture of him since September eleven or twelfth, I think it was, so no pictures of him. However, that same exact thing happened last year. Right now, I want you to tell me this. Have you ever had a moment where you're flipping through last year's trail cameras and something clicked and you're like, oh my god, I know now what I need to do. Have you ever had a moment like that. I've had some similar things like that. Yeah, So I had that moment, and I think I know where this deer shifted to. Right, there's no needs for him to come up that far from where I have my trail cameras to where I now know or I shouldn't say no, but where I think he's betting. I really think that he is in a really tight spot that is hard to get to if you're a lazy hard access, if you're a lazy hunter, and what I mean hart is if you're gonna take the easy way in. But I think I can back door into his betting area on a morning hunt and potentially catch him coming back into where I'm guessing he's betting, right because last year I have a trail camera picture of him a couple of times coming off of this ridge that I'm talking about, right in front of a trail camera early early October. So are you thinking you're gonna go try to take a morning stab at him early? Yes, I'm gonna say next week. Is showing a day or a day a in a morning of an east wind before a front moves through. Potentially then or two days after that is a north northeast wind that I would need to backdoor it in there. So it has to be something in the east. It can't be a southeast, but it can be a straight east northeast or north northeast maybe even straight north, depending on if I can get my trees stan into one of those um in a tree that doesn't blow over top of the trail that I think he's going to use. And man, like, that's all I've been thinking about since it happened two days ago. Like flipping through those pictures, it's just like click whole ship. Like, I'm why didn't I think of this before? Man, that's that buck now. I think it's important to point out, you know, we'd like to talk that you're typically just targeting age class type deer, mature deer. That's super challenging. It's it's the way we usually to do things. But sometimes see a deer that just like captivates your imagination because of how unique or bizarre or cool that dear looks. And this dear, right, I mean, this is like a once in a lifetime deer, even for a guy like you out in Iowa. Don't you think I mean this is a special special deer. Yeah, it's a special deer from a from a rack perspective, right, But I'm not really thinking at it like that. Yeah, I mean I may be making my decisions based off that. The only the only thing is is that I was talking with a guy a while back, and he goes, unless you're dedicated, dedicating yourself to one specific deer for an entire season, then you then you have they're forced to be very cautious in your decision making. However, guys like me and you know, I assume you unless you're going all in on holy Field. We we put together a hit list, and this guy is saying that if you have a target deer, why not go win, go in aggressive to him, because the worst thing that's going to happen is that you'll blow him out. You'll you'll you'll he won't show you'll fail, or you'll get him. And if you fail, then you just go onto one of your other deer that you've that you've put on your hit list, right or that, and you start that process all over again. Well, Hey, let's locate one on trail camera, move in for the kill, and play cat and mouse with him until you blow him out he doesn't show up, or you get him, you know what I mean. So I'm taking this kind of new approach where I feel like I'm just gonna be aggressive until I fail so much that I learned or it works. Yeah, and I think I think the key is if you have those options right, you're in a situation where if this, if this goes under, you do have lots of other spots you can get into, lots of other deer you be interested in chasing. Um, you know, like a situation like the Holy Field proper to m on. There's only ever been like one mature buck a year that moves through there. So it's like, if you don't kill that dear, if you educate that dear, you're done for the year. So I've gotten my my, my, my thinking has shifted more and more to the point you're making that if you're in a scenario where you've got options, start swinging for the fences sometimes and to your point, learn something from it, even if you you bugger it out, but you probably learned something along the way. Um, but you know, you've gotta understand your situation. Sometimes that's a good idea. Sometimes you gotta play is safe, but it's kind of fun to sometimes go for those home runs. I do not blame you if I wanted to think that. The cool thing though, is that it's also another thing that's forced me to hunt this way is I only have one tree stand pre hung for this year, only one. So I have other spots fromed out and ready to go, but only one tree stand hung. So what that's telling me is, Yes, if I can't find a deer on trail camera, I'm gonna I might go sit on this particular uh downwind of a popular betting area, right, and I've always had good um the buck I met uh that that I hit the branch right and deflected the arrow last year, and the where I passed um where I passed the one buck last year that got hard horn. Pictures of that I posted on social media. That's all downwind of a popular betting area where I have really good success. So that's kind of a backup plan if I need it. But this is forcing me to make decisions based off deer move where the deer are at and not where historically they've been. Right. So we all have those those those uh tree stand locations that we have sitting there and every year they're going to be there because it's just a good area. But I don't have those hung right now, so so now I can I can make all those decisions on a macro level, if that makes sense. Yeah, No to the I think we had this conversation a few weeks ago with Zach kind of the idea of if you don't have stands up already, if you're walking on the ground, or if you're having to stand that day, you by default have to pick the very best option for that specific moment in time. Um, because there's no easy thing to fall back on, which I think is a good thing. So I'm excited for you. That's Uh, it's just one of these things where, dude, I've I've harvested a deer in the last two years. I'm in a place where I have a I have a very unique and a buck that only shows up once every five or six seven years, right, that kind of quality. So I'm gonna go in after him, and I'll I'll make my decisions based off of what mother nature gives me for uh, you know, conditions and sign and camera data, and I just make my decisions based off that. And if nothing happens, man, I tried, And if it happens, uh, you'll get a phone call. But holy suppose, I'll hope you face time. Ma. I want to see that face when that happens, because that dear is insane. But again, like we always say, getting pictures is the easy part. It is. It's a fun part, but it's the easy part. Um Man, I know that you've been in the timber or in the stand right, Yes, yes, I've got out twice. Now you know today is the third so I hunted the first in the second. Um, nothing too terribly exciting to report on, except that, you know the first night. Speaking of the holy Field scenaria, I mentioned before, I want to go in and hunt this property once we're holy Field is hopefully is. You know, I still don't have a hundred percent confirmation I've seen this buck in the summer, but I just don't know for sure it was him or not. I don't have pictures of him, of any of any mature bucks yet, but there's only been one camera that I've been able to check. So there's there's stuff still out there that I don't know about. But I'm kind of operating right now in the assumption that he's still alive. So I went into this one spot. It's kind of like my almost always, if I've got the right wind, I usually hunt here on opening day. Of the last four years, i've done that because it's it's easy to get to. It's low impact, but it's a great early season spot. You know. This year there's my oats and brassica food plot, a little clover plot on the other side of it. The tree im city in is an oak tree that was dropping a ton of acorns this year and last year put in the tiny water hole underneath the two. So I had all of that in this little like acre and a half area. Um, so, really really high attraction value. And it's tight to this area that Holy Field traditionally is betted, so it was worth a shot try to get in there. I had a great wind for it and snuck in there. I was feeling pretty good about it. A bunch of doughs were moving through the kind of a cool breeze. It was cloudy, it was cooling down. Um A bunch of deer feeding around me. But the one you know, this happens all the time, the one direction that you don't want a deer to go where they at least likely to go. This one dough did and she got a whiff of me that she didn't like, and she blew up and sent the field clearing out. You know what, And speaking of that, something I've noticed the last year or two is you know, I've been using I've been doing all my basic scent control type stuff, and then maybe five years ago or six years ago, I started using an ozonics machine, and then maybe two maybe three years ago, I started using nose jammer. And right when I started doing those things, I felt like magic, Like these deer were coming down wind to me and they were just kind of smelling a little something, and then kept on going. And then last year I felt like they were getting a little more impact, like they were coming down They're like, I don't like this as much as I used to. And then now this year this happens. I wonder, and I'm not saying this is the case, but I'm starting to wonder if these deer that have been on this farm a long time, and I've been hunting this property for years now using this stuff, if they are starting to associate either the ozone smell or the nose jammers in situation or something, if they're starting to associate that with human danger now, because there's been enough situations where they've smelled that and then seeing a person or smelt a little bit of me or something like that. I'm wondering if my little secret sauce is starting to become a negative association for him. Um, I don't know. I'm not saying that's case, but I'm just wondering it now because I'm not getting away with as many downwind as and encounters as I used to and I haven't changed anything. Um, yeah, I don't know. I mean, it's it's it's nature, right, If something burns you a couple of times, it's nature's way of educating themselves on You know, how many times do you think it took the early human to figure out that you can't touch fire? Buddy? You know what I mean? Like until you learn that you can't touch fire and it has to happen within all shapes and forms of life. So I think I think you're a percent right. I think there could be if you're using it too much because you have a smaller property. Right, Yes, you take the proper you take the proper um access routes in, you take the proper scent precautions, but at the same time, you're using that more on a smaller property than let's say, someone like myself who has a bigger property and may be using the same things but just distributed over more acres. Yeah, I mean, all of my impact on this little property is within like probably twenty acres. There's really only maybe twenty maybe even less that's actually huntable ground. So even though I'm not hunting it very often, when I do hunt, it's all kind and trade in this relatively small area that I'm limited to. And that's happened, you know, year after year after year, and some of these old does you know that have been here five, six, seven years, They've encountered that now over and over. So it's it's something on the pay attention to more this year. You know. I went out last night to a different farm, new property, and I had deer comes straight down wind, so they had I was doing nothing different. I had washed my clothes the same way, I showered the same way. I did, all the same scent control, I use the asonos, these nose jammers, same thing. These deer come down wind to me just like what happened to me on opening night. But these deer act completely oblivious. They're like, oh that's something, but I don't care, and they just waltzed done through completely different reaction. Um, So it's just kind of got the question marks popping up over my head and um, we'll see how the rest of the year goes. But that's something I've noticed. And um, then I guess speaking to that second night I went to this new property I got permission on. UM, I kind of wanted to an observation sit just on the edge, just trying to I want to learn more about this property before I start diving in swinging for any home runs. And uh, I saw a decent number dear, a couple of young bucks, beautiful sit um, but nothing too crazy. So that was kind of how my season started. It was fun. I want to check some more cameras on the holy Field property to try to figure out if this guy is still around. Um. And I'm just gonna kind of keep on keeping on over the next few weeks, taking a few low impact hunts, Gonna do some public land dabbling, UM, test out the saddle some more on some of these public land areas. Get aggressive on some public land on days where I don't want to go to my good spot. And uh, that's that's what I've got up my sleeve for the next week, week and half until things get more interesting. So you know how you solve that dough who keeps blowing at your problem, right, Yeah, I do. And and if that's the one thing is I need to figure out if holy Field still alive or not, because if he's not alive, there's no other bucks on this farm that I've seen on camera yet that are like, for sure mature bucks. Um. I just need to get a dope patrol if that's the case, and and just spend the season trying to trying to manage that dope population, because that's the other thing about this spot. It's a super small property. I've got very limited options, but they're just a boatload of doughs. Um. I never kill as many doughs as I probably should. I try to kill as money. I try to invite some friends over to to take some but and I'm sure I should be doing better, and the neighbors aren't doing anything for the most part. So there's just so many deer. You can't hardly get anywhere where there's not gonna be some deer on all sides of you. And that makes for challenging hunting scenarios. So maybe you know, if the worst case scenario is true and holy Field disappeared, the silver lining is that I can maybe finally get to get a handle on the dough situation and see what comes next. So absolutely, so, why let me ask you this question before we split. Why aren't you just sitting back and checking l cameras right? You're hunting a ghost right now? Yeah, And I mean that's that's my plan for that property is too. I was gonna hunt it opening night and then I'm not going to hunt it again till Halloween unless unless I get a picture or sighting of him. So those other hunts I'm talking about that will be on this new property, that will be on public land, or that will be up on my Northern Michigan deer Camp property, um being. Yeah, so the Holy Field spot is off limits now unless I get something that screams out you gotta start hunting. And now, so well, I hope, I hope he shows up out of nowhere again and you can finally put this to rest. Either he doesn't show up this year at all, or you know, or you kill him, or you find that someone else kills him. Because I've had bucks in my head that have lingered, right, and it's always like you can't make a proper decision while that particular buck is lingering. Yeah, yeah, I just need some closure on this, this whole deal. You know. It's funny. Hunting can be so many different things to different people at different points, and like they're hunting journey, you know, And when you get to that point where you want the hunt to be in such a specific way that you are just trying to target one buck or at least most of your energy is going towards that one buck, it can be a lot of fun, but it can also We've we've had this conversation many times. It can also be like mentally draining or emotionally draining or something like that. So I am I'm ready to put this thing to bed one way or another and m and kind of move on to some different things. So I'm hoping it'll be happy ending, but if it's not, I'm ready to see what's behind the next the next hill too, right, So well, I'm rooting for you. I appreciate it. I'm rooting for you too. I I'm hoping that Narlie Charlie will co operate and show up for you here soon. So next week would be nice. Next week we'll have to have a more in depth low down of of how you're hunting this deer and and hopefully we'll have a hunting by. Do you think that this weekend might be one of those days you can hunt? Um? I have to no, not this weekend, uh because number one, I don't think I'm gonna get the wind I need and number two, uh, my wife has to work, so I'm I'm stuck to the local farm. Okay, Well, so the next week, maybe we can get more in depth on how we're going to tackle the Gnarlie Charlie dilemma. And uh absolutely I'm excited. Well, thank you, sir. I know you've got to bounce, but um, we're gonna move on to get the suburban bow hunter guys Seek one Productions on the line here talk about some big bucks in Atlanta, Georgia. Real quick. Before we do that, we need to take a second and think our partners at White Tailed Property, and I want to give a plug for another one of their YouTube videos that are part of that land beat video series of there's. The most recent one is with Dan Perez. Dan Perez is the co founder of White Tailed Properties, and what he talks about in this quick video are a few different things you can do before buying a piece of property to help you understand what kind of income potential is there. You know, how how much money could you get from leasing it out to a farmer or from different from different kinds of government programs that will pay you for certain habitat and projects and whatnot. Very interesting, some good things to think about before dropping some some coin on a potential hunting property or recreational property. And a quick watch. So head on over to the white Tail Properties YouTube channel. They have lots of videos with helpful information even some hunts. Now this one though, if you want to check it out. It's called Considerations when Buying Land. And if you want more information about white Tail Properties and the land they have listed for sale, visit white tailed properties dot com. Alright with me now on the line, I've got Lee and Drew from Seek One Productions. Welcome to show, guys. Yeah, I appreciate taking the time. I um I. I just recently kind of discovered you guys, because my producer, Spencer new Hearth, he puts together my radio miniseries for Wired Hunt. He had I think it was Lee. I think he had you on as a contributor a few weeks ago, and I listened to that, and I was really interested in what you had to say, and so I gotta go check these guys out. So then I went and I pulled up your YouTube channel, and I started looking at these videos, started seeing what you guys are up to, and I kind of had my mind blown. You guys kind of kind of shocked me with what you're doing down there in Atlanta. Um. So I'm excited. I guess that's my long way of saying, this is gonna be really interesting conversation. I'm glad we're doing it. Um. And I guess to get started, i'd like to hear just a real quick, like cliff notes intro as to who you guys are and what you're doing. UM, I don't know, leave, do you want to kick things off and just kind of give us a quick overview of who who you are, how you get involved this? Yeah, So, UM, I think you Drew and I both pretty much started at the exact same time. We were buddies and middle school and he had a family farm that you know, we'd go to on just kind of rare occasion. Um, But we were so busy with school and sports and stuff that we really never got to get out there. So he Drew the one that kind of got me introduced to hunting. Um. And then it was you know, just kind of us taking notice of what was around us, just driving to and from school. And I know that Drew and I was fishing upon one day and like a like a creek bottom. And I mean at this time, I didn't really know anything about hunting, but Drew knew what you know, rubs and scrapes, wor and stuff in this place was just like destroyed. Um, and so we were just like, man, there's there's gotta be like some pretty good deer here. We'd see him like driving down the roads and stuff, and um, we just kind of started from there. I mean had literally had no clue what we were doing at six h trying to get access to um, you know, places to hunt. But uh, you know, we'll kind of dive into some stories later, but like it, I mean it took us a long time. Finally got some access to some places and put some cameras out and kind of stumbled on this little hidden gym that was around us the whole time and never gonna really knew it. And uh, you know, before we know it, like our first year hunting. We've got like, you know, just some freaking stud you know, one fifty plus just matured year that we're chasing, you know, minutes from our house. So um, it's I don't know, it was just kind of a undiscovered little secret, didn't really see it coming kind of thing, and it was it just kind of took off from there. We've been doing it for twelve years, and Um through kind of approached the idea of I guess this was two thousand was when don't we hunt Charlie Drew? I think it's two thousand fourteen. Charlie was, Yeah, that kind of I guess originally grabbed some attention because it was just like this deer was just like stupid big um and Drew was like, we need to film this. I mean, the stories that we've had prior to them, you just gotta see to believe of how kind of crazy they are. And he was like, we got a film and tell the story. And so this kind of drew his idea. He pretty much gave up his old season just to film me uh and the story of hung story called Charlie and Um ended up killing that deer on camera and a little trailer together and some out there. That's what kind of got our name out there. Ever since then, we've been uh filming our hunts and trying to tell the stories of chasing these monster bucks in the suburbs. Yeah, what would you add, Drew? Um, I mean he pretty much covered a high level. Um. Yeah, I mean we we both live basically it's considered the suburbs of Atlanta, So we're we both live outside the perimeter, which would be um, probably a twenty minute drive from like the real heart of the city. But we're still, you know, surrounded by neighborhoods and commercial property and stuff like that. So, um, define a block of woods over ten acres is pretty rare. I mean, there's there's some big box kind of scattered throughout and along the river. Um. But we are like in the heart of the suburbs. So when we say a suburban hunting, it's not like we're kind of on the outskirts of these neighborhoods like we are in the uh in the creek bottoms and river bottoms between these these houses. So yeah, we we're just fortunate enough to grow up in probably the best areas of the entire state as far as genetics go and and deer population. So we kind of just as the deer population grew down here, we just kind of started to take notice and uh and took advantage of it. And that's how we didn't I don't think either of us bow hunted before we found that little creek bottom, that little that six acre block of woods. We both like that property. UM. So that's that's kind of how it kicked off. And then we hunted that spot for I don't know, probably for four or five years before we started to have to branch out. I mean, that spot was unbelievable. It was like a gateway um into like a larger area of just different pockets of woods. So we in a rut. We'd have just books that we have never seen just piling through there, and Lee killed most of them. Lee Lee went on a bro heater for about four or five years, and then I think he was the first one to kind of start branching out UM and started just knocking on doors in other areas and realizing that hey, it's working at this spot here. Why I want to work you know, ten miles away, um at this other spot that I found on on Google maps. UM. And so you know that just kind of escalated and escalated, and I mean before you know it, we were knocking on hundreds and hundreds of doors every offseason just searching for a for a mature Bucks so and and then, um, I think it was it was the year that Donny Vincent came out with The Rivers Divide. Is when when I was like, dang, that's pretty cool. I want to like the story of Steve is very very similar to the stories that we're having on these Bucks. Um, Like, I want to I want to buy a camera and film this. So that was that was a big motivation. And then just kind of watching Portland bow Hunter progress and they're just um, their their quality and they're like cinematic style. That was a big motivator too. So I bought a camera that year and the very first year that we ever filmed, the very first video that I've ever made in my life was a absolute monster. What is the nine point early with I think he was a hundred and eighty two inches or something. And the frame on this year is just insane, Like it looks like people were saying that Lee shot it from a high offense, shot it out of like a helicopter and I don't know, it was just like there's no way that came from Atlanta. People just like there's no way. Well, well, that's the thing. I feel like most people probably even still don't really under Dan what you're talking about as far as the quality of deer that you're seeing in hunting and killing in the suburbs here. I mean, you guys are incorrect me if I'm wrong here, But for whenever, what I've seen, you're consistently getting on mature bucks and and big like crazy non typical bucks to like booners and two at least one plus buck. Right, Yeah, we've had to hunt for well to be determined, possibly four now including this year, but uh three two hund We've we've had a tance to hunt three year in Atlanta over the years. Plus if you count j if you count Ja, that's another one because Jay actually has the state record nontypical, which is growth. Yeah, something crazy. Wow, And this is happening in neighborhoods and behind people's houses. I mean, I feel like this is this is just unlike what any anyone thinks is possible. Um, it's pretty remarkable. What so, so why do you think that this area is so good. And I guess that's my first question, why do you think that you're finding deer of this age in quality? And then number two? Is that unique just to this area in Atlanta or are there quality deer hunting opportunities like this in suburbs of other big cities too? Do you think? Uh so? There. I think there's a lot of things going on in Atlanta that that make it what it is. Um The first is and I don't know it's like the the actual facts behind this, but there used to be like no deer in Atlanta. Um And I know that, you know, two decades ago they imported deer. I've always heard been told from Wisconsin and that that's kind of the native genetic that that's kind of spread throughout Atlanta because some of these do you look at and you're like, Yeah, there's there's no way that that's a Native Georgia deer with just like the heavy mass and just dark racks and you know some of the crazy frames and nontypicals that we're seeing. Um So, I've always been told that it's been like a Wisconsin strange genetic that's running around Atlanta. UM So you can find good genetics with just an absolute buffet of food they have in the summertime. We've got the biggest thing we've discovered, and this is something we discovered probably three years ago, what Charlie was. We had no idea where this deer spent his summertime. You know when the when o cobra hit and the deer moving around is when we'd always get him on camera. But as far as like spring and summer and early fall, we had no idea where this year was um and so we just started searching and searching and searching. We found him in a cudzoo patch in the summertime. Do you do? You know what cud do this? You know, I didn't. I hadn't heard of it until I heard you talk about it a little bit on the radio episode a couple weeks ago. But but please talk about it because I'm sure most people aren't familiar or some aren't Drew the botanist, so I'll let him I got last podcast. So yeah, jud do is basically UM, it's basically a it's like a soybean. It's it's really a lab lab so just a perennial type soybean leafy plant that just grows in a vine and it's invasive. I think it's from like Japan or something, and it just grows and all these like on the roadsides and basically anywhere it can take hold. It just starts growing and it's impossible to get rid of. But it's like twenty or protein in the leaves and just grows. It can grow us five don s, so these deer can just be down grows into Yeah, it grows into this jungle. It's just like a perfect habitat form. So that's kind of what we discovered is like this this cut dune. It I think it was originally introduced for like you know, help helping and control like erosion along roadways and stuff. Um, but it's just like it grows so fast that it's just like moved into, you know, places that shouldn't be and it's just taken over little pockets of woods and it's like these boxed in the summertime, we'll pile into these cuts, do patches because it's just a buffet built. When we were filming and watching Charlie, he would get up, you know, ten times a day, feed around for a few minutes, lay right back down and he would just completely disappear. And he was actually in the middle of an apartment complex, probably ten acres in the middle of apartment complex, and nobody knew that Dear was there until like they saw Drew and I like standing on people's decks and stuff with the camera lens and whatnot, and then they're like, oh, yeah, I guess there are deer back here. And they were looking at like a totally care um so that they're fords in the sun. Our time with cud do and things like that is just you know, they have all they could possibly eat. And we've seen some really big bucks grow out going out and kutz and then we have so many hardwoods. I mean, I was checking a camera yesterday and I'm just like walking on top of white oaks on the ground, acorns and so between that, and then you know, as uh kind of the hard winter rolls around, they really move into people's landscaping and stuff um and started eating that. So kind of through all all all through all parts of the year, they've got all the food they could possibly want. So do you think then to to that second part of the question, do you feel that you know the suburbs of Detroit, or the suburbs of Cleveland or the suburbs of name any other big city across the country. Do you think there's opportunities like this where there's probably great foods sources that probably are these pockets of timber and creek ranges and things like that where these deer are getting in there getting well fed and aren't being hunted as much like these deer are. Is this Does this translate other places? Yeah, it definitely doesn't. That's part of what we're doing this year, uh with our videos is we're we've branched out to Nashville, Tennessee, which that kind of got put on the map a couple I guess two years ago when someone killed the world record non typical like just outside of Nashville. So we get messages all the time from people in different cities saying it's like so cool to watch other people doing exactly what we're doing. Um, another city is like you guys should come up here and check out the deer. And in Nashville or Cincinnati or DC, you're I mean, you name it. There's probably ten different cities that we've gotten messages from. So yeah, I mean, it's definitely definitely something that's going on in other cities. I think for a long time, I mean even here in Atlanta, like it was kept a secret and for good reason. And we, I mean we've been accused of ruining that secret, which is kind of true that. Uh. I think it's like now that it's kind of coming out with us, and I mean there there are other people that are that are doing it in other cities that have kind of publicized it. But it's just it's coming to light a lot more in recent years and it than it has been. Um, so I think it was. Yeah, I think you'll start hearing more and more people that are like, yeah, I've been doing this forever. I've killed these giant gear in the suburbs of wherever. Um And I mean I don't I don't think so. One thing that's like unique about Atlanta is that the rest of Georgia doesn't necessarily have really big gear. I mean, there are pockets of good genetics, um, you know, scattered throughout the state, but as a whole, it's not known the Big Buck state. But Atlanta is different. So that's like that draws people in from outside of the city to just come in to come in and just trying to find these big gear all. Yeah, it just kind of it just makes it that much more um in the spotlight. Whereas if you go out to you know, I don't know, Ohio or something like, there's big gear throughout the most of the state. So Cincinnati is not going to necessarily stand out as much. Um So. I mean, as with anywhere that it has to have the genetics to to be able to produce. But a lot of times in these suburban environments you're going to get if you have the genetics, you could also have the lack of hunting crusher, so that you're going to get older and bigger. Yeah, So is that something that you can consistently see is that there are my assumption as a lot of times there's going to be areas that just are not getting hunted that are very different than a lot of spots maybe in the more rural spot areas where there's at least in more states a significant amount of pressure. So you're seeing deer that just reach more consistent age older age classes. Is that something that's kind of in the trend right These deer just getting age on them, and that's why that used to be the case, it's not anymore though, uh So, kind of backtracking a little bit, that spot, that first spot that you are fishing, that pond, that and they're just like scrapes and rubs everywhere. That's where we ended up getting permission. And it was like, you know, we we had three four or five shooters in their year in November, and I don't think either of us have hunted that spot in six years because that area has become very popular and so there's a lot there's so many hunters now it is so hard to find a mature deer in that area anymore. Because here's the thing, like, you know, our genetics are so good that are two and three year olds are you know, hoping young type deer and someone that's you know, never kill a pope and young, especially with a you know, with a bow in their hand. It's just like, you know, how can how can you blame them for not passing up that three year old you know, dyer that comes walking by and when they've never killed a deer like that. So there's so many people getting into it, and there's some areas that are definitely way more popular than others that it has really caused us to kind of adapt and and and completely abandoned areas um and really try and get into places that are overlooked that aren't being hunted as much, where you do find a deer of that you know right age class um. And you know, for us, we really like to try and find a deer that's at the minimum five UM. And the deer that's that we killed last year, the named Zeus, we think he was like nine and and that was the biggest that's the biggest he ever was. So we have set Antler's off of him from when he was eight and he scored one nine and then we have um, you know, the next year we killed him and we I think we green scored him at like two or three something like that. So from eight to nine we put on ten inches UM. So yeah, I mean to answer your question, yes, there are definitely still places where and it takes a long time to find them where deer getting to the right age. But this is something that is becoming so popular that you know, sometimes you've got ten or fifteen guys hunting the same deer, so there's a lot more deer being shot, and it's just really it's in some of these areas where it's more popular, it's really hard to find, you know, the right age class. But um, I think everything has to do with obviously nutrition, genetics, but age is also super super important. We watched Dear you know for some time drew something deer right now called Falco that I think he's had on camera for five years. Yeah, we wanted to be a lot of deer. Yeah, we watch a lot of deer from one and a half and two and a half and just kind of keep watching them, keep watching them, keep watching them until they're at that right edge, uh, to go hunt. It's so cool that you'll have that kind of opportunity where you do have those deer that make it year after year and get to get to watch them and follow them. It's I feel like for for sometimes people on the outside of this kind of little tight community that gets really into the white tail stuff. For people who haven't had that kind of chance, they look at it is kind of bizarre that you might name a deer or that you might watch Dear year after year. But but as you guys obviously know, since you've been a part of this, and I've been fortunate to have some opportunities like this too. It's so interesting to be able to take the challenge of hunting and ramp that challenge up two level twelve when you're targeting that one deer and learning that one deer's habits and that one dear's behavior and his home range and how he moves between places and why he does what he does. I mean, at least for someone like me and I'm sure you guys too, who's fascinated by these animals, that is like the ultimate and uh, it's it's so cool to be able to see that happening in places like this in the city that I think most people just assume that you couldn't do this. And what I what I love about it, and I think you immediately we're talking about this just a little bit yesterday, is the fact that I feel like this idea of of the opportunities available in the suburbs and around the city, it opens up the doors of hunting to so many new people that maybe didn't think they could find a place to hunt. You've got these new people coming into the hunting world that want to get started. They live in town, they don't have friends or family that live out in the country with big farms and they're thinking, well, yeah, I like the idea of hunting. It seems like a cool thing. Joe Rogan has been talking about it, and I'm intrigued. But where the heck do I go. I'm not going to drive two hours in the middle of nowhere and knock going to farmer's door in my penny loafers. Um, but but but but I think if they if they see or hear about what people like you guys are doing right in town, They're like, oh, hey, I could drive ten minutes down the road and knock on these doors in my neighborhood and maybe there's a three acre piece I could hunt and that actually could work. I feel like this is just it's such an important idea to get out there at this time when when we need to help bring in this new group of hunters. So so I guess my rambling leads me to this. Then let's talk about how you do this, because if someone's listening and they're intrigued and they want to try to put this into play in their own town, um, I feel like we need to start at where you start. So when you're trying to find a new place, you have to twist my arm a little bit on this one, but we'll see. I'm gonna do my best. So so when you're getting started in a new area, maybe you can use the Tennessee situation as example, or or something you're doing there in Atlanta. I guess first, like, what are you looking for when trying to find a place that's worth hunting? You know, when at this point, how do you choose the properties that you're interested in hunting? And then where do you go from there? I think I think Nashville actually is a really good example. I mean you can you can watch our first episode that was released a couple of weeks ago. We have like a whole segment on just before we even go up there for the first time. We are looking at maps and networking and all of that before we even put a boot on the ground. So I think the the first step is, I mean, just talking to everybody you possibly can, because going out there blind and not knowing where certain pockets of genetics where I mean, there's certain areas of Atlanta and Nashville where there's not there's no deer, and then you go, you know, a couple of miles away and there's a ton of deer. So just getting out there and talking to as many people as possible to figure out the general area first to start, I think is a good first step. Um. And then just you know, along up pulling up maps. We uh, we use a couple of different maps. UM. One, we just use you know, Google Maps in aerial view just to kind of give a sweeping view of different pockets of woods. And then we'll kind of diving deeper with real estate maps that show property lines and owners names and addresses and phone numbers and things like that, so we'll kind of figure out, you know, the areas that that have big blocks of woods that may be connected together by river bottoms or creek bottoms so these deer can actually roam around during the season. And then we'll actually look at property lines and we'll look for bigger properties that we can kind of string together. So like I mean, some areas the government or the city owns most of the blocks of woods and the properties are only you know, a half acre um. And then other areas you have you know, four and five acre properties um with houses on them, just like making up a huge area. So those are the types of areas we like to focus on. Just because it's so much easier for submission and you actually have room to move around. UM. So, I think what's cool about our Nashville video is that, you know, Atlanta, we've been doing this for so long that we've kind of established our network and our spots and stuff, just kind of self sustaining beasts. At this point, we're we're always still looking for new areas, uh and whatnot, new places to get access to. But for the most part, you know, we've we've done a lot of our groundwork. What's cool about Nashville is that we've never been there before, so you really got to see, you know, from start to finish of of how we do it and kind like Drew said, it's a lot of studying maps. But I think I think the biggest thing is uh, and this will kind of cover a couple of different categories, is to not be afraid. The reason I say that is, UH, One, you just you need to not be afraid to talk who whoever it is, doesn't matter who it is about, just bringing up, you know, your interests in hunting and blah blah blah blah blah, because that person may let you hunt, they may have a place in their backyard or let you hunt. If not them, they may have a family friend or a family member that said, oh yeah, this guy seasier all the time. Oh. You know, you'd be amazed at how many times you you get people talking and they're like, oh, this person said they saw a huge buck, you know, last year, and you're like, where was that? And then and then on top of that, you know, even if if you're looking at an area or you've been told as a deer in a certain area, you know, some of these deer hide and really small overlooked places. Now they travel for miles, but sometimes they're traveling through tiny little fingers, and so you know, if you get a spot and you walk back there and you're kind of like, oh, you know, I don't I don't know, stick a camera out because you never know what's gonna be there. I mean, we run I think we're running like thirty or forty cameras in Atlanta. I think we've been running about ten or fifteen in Nashville. And so it's like the more cameras you have out and covering a wider grid, you're gonna find something. And then you can kind of owe in on that beer. That's when it kind of comes into not being afraid to start just pounding the pavement and knocking on doors like crazy. I think a lot of people get really afraid. They just kind of built it up in their head that it's like this big intimidating thing and knock on some stranger's door and ask them to bow hunt. But um, once you just like get the confidence to do it a few times, you get more comfortable with it, and you kind of develop your own language and develop your style of your approach and everything like that, and you just gain more confidence and more confidence and more confident and more you do it. That's that's kind of why I say, like, don't be afraid to just talk to people and put cameras out in areas even if it doesn't great, and you know, don't be afraid to go start knocking on doors. Yeah. Yeah, I found in my own experience that it's like a snowball effect. That first story knocking is intimidating, and the second door is a little bit better, and the third door is a little better, and then it just gets better and better as you roll down the hill. Building. It was a complete disaster for us when we were sixteen. Like I said, complete disaster for us knocking on doors try and get one place to hunt. I mean we we had no clue what to say. We're probably starting starting our words. I think people can really see you right through that. They're like, hey, this that's the proudest for guy's first time doing this. He doesn't really it's not really confident in what he's saying. And then it's gonna just gonna make that owner feel uneasy about it the whole situation. Let's talk about that permission process, because to your point, there's if you're going into this process having not done before, there's a lot of stumbling blocks along the way. Um. I think what I've seen and heard and just from knowing how my own process is developed, I'm sure you guys kind of have a game plan when it comes to how you ask for permission. Maybe what you wear when you're gonna ask permission, maybe how you talk. I saw in your in one of your videos that something one of you mentioned was that you knock on the door, but then you step back a few steps so you're not intimidatingly close to the door when a when a woman answers it and sees this big, tall guy right in her face. Um, can you walk us through all the little details that you think about when it comes to properly handling that permission asking process? Yeah, so I guess the first step would be, you know what you wear. We typically aware, I mean long pants that are somewhat nicer. I mean, you don't have to overdress or anything like that because then you kind of look like a salesman and people who practice shut it in your face. But just be presentable. And I mean I'll wear a college shirt every once in a while, um, not all the time. We both typically take our hats off because you don't want your face to be covered up. Don't don't look like you just we're tramping around in their backyard, you know, like you've been in the woods all day. Just kind of be you know, clean, just clean and presentable. And I mean it's all about making them as comfortable as possible, as quickly as possible, because you have like a very short window to do that before they're like no, not not interested, Just get off my front porch. So I mean there's there's different things that like we've we've kind of learned over the years, even before we choose what house to knock on. I mean, you can tell you can tell a lot about a person just by the car they drive, or the flags they have on the front of their house, or you know they're uh, they're political, I guess posters in their front yards. So, um, I think you can kind of make your own inferences from there. And then just just you know, if you can just kind of the first thing, just kind of get them say something that gets them comfortable, start a conversation and about something in their yard or just like find common ground I guess, um, just to get the conversation go and get them talking, to get them kind of involved in the conversation. And then, um, I think it's super important kind of on along the lines of what least said is like present that you are very experienced and what you're asking to do on their property. So a lot of times, you know, I'll start out with, hey, like I've I've been hunting in this area for twelve years, Like I've lived right down the road. Um, you know, I've I've just been trying to find a few more spots to go to bow hunt for deer. I know there's a ton of them around here. Um, you have one of the largest, one of the largest lots in the neighborhood or something, I'd love to be able to do this on your property. And then they start asking questions, obviously, and you just have to be prepared to answer all the questions. You know, they might bring up, um like I don't know, liability issues, or they might think you're gonna shoot their dog or the neighbors kids or something playing back there. Um, and they may they may have questions about the actual you know, hunting regulations. So you just have to be able to answer those questions. Um, we gotta we get a quickly. Yeah, I would agree with through on like, you know, having your just kind of acting like, you know, this is nothing new to you, You've been doing this for a while. But I also am a big believer in like making your own story, developing your own story. So you know, if it's a sixteen year old kid and this is his first story that he's knocked on, be honest with them. You know, you can talk about, Hey, you know, both hunting in Atlanta or whatever city wherever you're at. You know, it's it's I know it's becoming popular, and you know I've been doing my homework. I've been really practicing a lot, and you know that, to be honest with you, this is my first time knocking on a door or and I'm pretty nervous about it. But I just wanted to have a conversation with you, like like tell your own story. Don't don't make something up, but like to be honest, but but kind of show them, almost make yourself a little vulnerable to them to where it just kind of takes their guard down. It helps them kind of connect with you. So just because you know someone else's story is is kind of different than mine. Yeah, we've we've been doing this for a long time. Doesn't mean you have to like, you know, try and paint that picture that that this is something you've been doing forever. But kind of like paint your own picture, like tell your own story kind of however, that is just kind of connect I think that's the biggest thing is being able to connect with that land under where they kind of see like hey there it's a good kid, or you know, you know, there could be a friendship here. Like you know, I would like to this kid that to hunt on my property. I think he would as a landowner or a homeowner, but like I think it would it would make me a kind of smile to see him get it here. Um, So that's kind of what I would say. It's just like, find something that works for you and developed that and it just takes time, and it takes a lot of rejections because we get a lot of rejections, and you find out what works, you find out what doesn't work, and you just kind of tailor it from there going forward. I mean, I think that that first year we knocked on doors when we were sixteen, I bet you we knocked on at least sixty doors and one of them said yes. Yeah. Well at that time, yeah, for sure, numbers game. But it was like that first year was the biggest learning experience for us. And now that we've kind of developed our approach, like our success rate of getting someone to say yes is substantially higher now. The I guess the next question then, is so you you get how many different places like this if you're going into a season with the kind of goals that you guys have. So if you were, we're gonna assume that you're relatively experienced deer hunters listening to this, and you want to try to hunt mature bucks. Maybe you're trying to do that in a suburban environment. Um, but these properties are pretty small, maybe half acre, maybe five acres somewhere around there. How many different spots like that do you, guys try to have access to coming into a given season that would put you in a position where you feel good enough about having a chance at, you know, finding the kind of deer you're looking for. M hm. May as we can. Yeah, I mean it's it completely depends on you know, what your goals are. We all, I mean, we always try to the goal is to be able to get on a good buck, you know, early season. So we're gonna go, We're gonna keep searching in the summertime until we find the one that we want to hunt. And uh and just pinpoint you know, his his core area. Um. And then I mean I'll give you if you if you find where he is in the summertime, that you should have an opportunity early season for you know, a couple of weeks at least, uh to have a chance at him. But then you know, obviously everything changes, um, once October rolls around, once once the runt rolls around, So there's different there's different types of areas that we will target for different times of the season. And you know, if you're if you're targeting a buck during late October November, like you need to have a bunch of spots to to really have a good opportunity at killing that deer, especially if there's other hunters hunting that deer. Um. I mean, Lee's got one right now that I don't. I don't even know how many spots you have, but I know you have like seven cameras out at seven October, cellular cameras out for him, and these you're just you know, make their rounds. They just travel a loop that could be two miles, it could be ten miles, um. So just yeah, the more spots you have, the better I mean, the more you know about that year that the better odds you are getting a pattern and just being at the right place at the right time. So I think that's something that is different that we do that that most people don't. And I'll kind of circle back again to that that first spot that we got. I told you that, you know, we would always get four or five six shooters coming through there in November, and it was like some of those dear you could tell we're a little more local, showed up more often. And those were usually the ones that, you know, when we hunted enough, we get a chance at. But there was like, you know, two or three of those bucks where we had no clue where they were coming from. They were only there, you know, once or twice, just kind of very inconsistent and always at night. And it's like, well, you know, that, dear is just that's just his behavior. He's not huntable. We'll we'll never you know, kill that here. He's just nocturnal or whatever. And so like we kind of ruled those deer out and so kind of fast forwarding. For example, like Drew had a spot where I mean it was like a it was like a hundred ninety it had to have been a hunter nine year and it was only coming at night, like the whole season, and we were just like, yeah, the year's unkillable. He'll just it was just our inexperience. But it was just like that, you know, he's not he's not he's not killable. You know, you know, might as well go hunt a different here. But what we do and have have kind of learned is that that beer is showing up somewhere he's got a place he's more comfortable with. It's more more close to where he likes to bed down and more of his time, and you gotta go find it. So all a lot of our competition and other hunters here in Atlanta, you know, they have a family friend that they get to put a camera out, or you know, they live there and they put a camera out, and they have that one spot and that one spot where they get a picture of a buck and he's you know, maybe showing up there pretty good a bit. Maybe he's just kind of really sporadic. But what we do that's different than that person that just has one spot is when we when we locate that deer kind of like Drew was saying, we'll go get ten other spots around it and just kind of a scattered plot in all directions from where that picture was taken of that deer, and we really start kind of putting putting the pieces together on where he's spending more time. We get really mobile with these deer, kind of going after him moving around a lot. Didn't places, you know, ten spots to hunt one deer as to where most guys will have, you know, they're one spot and they'll they'll get the picture of the deer and they'll just kind of ride it out that spot. Maybe it happens there, maybe it doesn't, but yeah, that's that's something we do. I think that's been our biggest kind of secret that we've had to success, is that we go after the deer and really find out where they like to spend time. And just I think it increases our odds so much when we can really do our homework, um, studying tin cameras instead of just one and be like, yeah, this this is the place where he's spending the most time. This is where we didn't go after and that I mean that kind of goes back to the whole naming of the deer thing, like it just first of all, it makes it way easier to talk about these deer when we when we have a name for him, instead of trying to like describe what they are, like the eight pointer with the kickers and the drop time or whatever. But it also just like chasing them down like that and spending so much time, you know, getting permission and and putting cameras out and whatnot, it just makes it so much more personal and you just like have this attachment to this dear because you put so much effort into it, and so it's just almost like they deserve a name just because you know they're they're a formidable opponent for sure, Like this dear could be right under your nose and still he's you know, he's outsmarting you almost every single time. I mean, Lee's got a deer right now that he's we know that this deer is like in this little block of woods and Lee's got them surrounded, but he's not. He and he shows up like at night or in the middle of the day, just like randomly in the middle of the day. And this year, just like he knows, he knows what's up, Like he knows when there's cameras out. He knows when we walked back there into his black woods. So yeah, I mean camera it's it's kind of crazy. And uh, you know, he he's completely no curnal at least for now. But the only time he'll show up in daylight is like high noon, noon, one o'clock. It's like, sorry, man, but I'm not I'm not gonna be hunting up all day from noon to one like one. I've got a job at too. You know that's just kind of crazy, because I mean he shows up maybe maybe once a week, once every other week at like noon. It's like I have to sit for fourteen days all day just try and get that one chance at him at noon. So I think sometimes he's zer are just smarter than we give him credit for. Um. I think sometimes they really know more about what's going on than we really understand. So so, speaking then of that process and challenge of trying to figure out these deer a little bit better than they have us figured out, let's talk about how you end up scouting these spots and and scouting and understanding these individual deer too. So let's say you've got permission on a bunch of these properties. Now, how do you go in there and figure out how do you hear using it? How do you find these individual bucks and then tighten the noose a little bit on them? Walk me through all the scouting, what kind of stuff matters, what doesn't matter, etcetera. Mm hm, Well, I mean I think it just depends on what time of year it is. Um, we can start with early seasons. Uh, luckily you were saying before. I mean, tad zoo is one thing that we look for a lot of the time in the summer, um, just something you know, just like anywhere. I mean, it doesn't necessarily dis pertain to the suburbs, but a buck wants food, cover, and water. Um, So you get need to find like in a secluded spot that's got all three of those things to where the deer doesn't have to move, you know, more than a couple of acres um. So I mean we'll look for that in the summertime a lot of times. Um. It's kind of weird how these deer uh travel and kind of pick the sauce that they're gonna hide in. But more and more often, I don't know if this is just do the hunting pressure or just I don't know just how these year act. But we'll go find like the smallest block of woods in the most secluded area, even when there's you know, a hundred two hundred acres of woods with everything they could possibly need, um, you know, within a half a mile away. Um. So let'll just we'll get off into these little tiny blocks of woods all summer long until you know, late October, and then they'll go into these big blocks of woods to go find dose and stuff to chase around her in the rut. I don't know if it's like they feel like really tight, kind of bummed up, like everything is kind of just bubbled bottle them up in there. But Drew's all right, like it can't be open woods, so it's gotta be like really really stick but sometimes super small little pockets. It's just like, I don't know if they just feel like everything around them is just kind of wrapping them up and they just feel secure in there. But I mean, and they can take over the whole area easily. Um, So yeah, I mean that's what we look for early season. And what makes this even harder, which I want to make clear, is like you can't just go stick cameras out anywhere you want, Like you have to have permission to even get scouting on that property. So that, I mean that increases the time it takes by a hundred because you have to go and actually get permission before you can even know what the you know, what the woods are like, if there's water, if there's even you know, good year back there. So we we spent weeks trying to get one landen or so yes because we thought it was a good spot, and we run a camera to the whole year just to find out that there was not a shooter there at all. It's like, well, that's a couple of weeks was a huge waste of time. Not not saying there won't be something there eventually, but like you know, sometimes you know a lot of these places you get are just dead ends, and that's why you gotta have a lot of different things working. Um I would say really like starting like right now is when and even earlier to kind of answer your scouting question is we love to use mox scrapes to get pictures of deer, especially bucked and our deer gets can get really territorial, so we loved and we'll you know, bend branches down and do all kind of stuff to get like the perfect looking branch and and break out just a huge scrape and we'll put in scent and attractions and stuff like that. And you know that's how we get a lot of our pictures this time of year and actually have a lot of our success too. Is just really kind of pissing a deer off, getting in an area where he likes and using a scrape to just you know, kind of draw him back. The key them kind of defending that little area. So yeah, and one time, good I was just gonna say, that's that's a really big cool of ours. Yeah. Um, one thing we've kind of started to figure out is a lot of times he's older mature bucks. If you run, you know, a pile of corn or something, we'll come to it once or twice. Yeah. So yeah, baiting bill passed this year. You can hunt over bait. That's kind of what UM has helped us kind of realize this. But we've all we've realized it in the past. Is these mature, mature deer know when you're getting punted, or maybe they know when they're getting pictures taken on them, because they'll come to a bay pile once or twice and then they won't come back to it again, at least not you know, not in daylight. So maks Graith is a much more natural way to kind of get pictures a deer and keep them around longer and uh, keep them from being suspicious. So it's it's really uninvasive. It's it's just really really natural. Uh So I know, I know what your next question is gonna be. You mean to head you off at the past, How has how has the vading bill affected y'all's deer season? What's Yeah, that's one of the things that in my mind. So it's been kind of weird for us this year. Um, you know, we've kind of had to almost go back to the drawing board a little bit on how learning how to kind of incorporate vading and how it is effective, how it's not effective, and we're still trying to figure that out. Um. But some of the stuff that we've kind of learned is like, for example, the year I'm after, he uh hates a pile of corn. Like he'll kind of come to it at night every now and then, but mostly he'll just kind of linger in the back. He won't really come to it. And I think it's just like he knows it's not natural that was put there, and that he's you know, it's just not it's not right in them. So he's automatically kind of on edge when he sees that. And I've got you know, I've got hunters literally, not like you know a few hundred yards away or you know, a couple of miles away. I've got a dude next door to the hunting and he's got feeders out and I just I think that he is leery of that feeder because he doesn't really go over there, but he comes to me a lot more. And what I'm doing is instead of having a feeder or a pile like out kind of I've got we're kind of we're still experimenting. I've got places where we're not baiting, and we're running cameras on scrapes and things like that, and white oaks that we've got dropping. Uh. And then I've got a place where I'm baiting, but I'm like kind of fancasting the corn out instead of like a pile and just kind of throwing it out just like if it were falling off a tree. I think you're like to still kind of graze around and feed around instead of walking up to a big pile and start eating out of it. I think it's just a little more natural to them. Um. That seems to have helped me kind of get more pictures of bucks um and just kind of get better activity. Uh. Is just doing that So to kind of answer your question, Uh, it's still kind of to beat it. Well, I guess my question. Uh, it's kind of still like to be determined on exactly how it's gonna affect our season. Um, you know, we went the first what two or three weeks now the season has been opened and we haven't killed a deer yet. So just because you can hunt over bait doesn't mean it's making it easier for us. At least. Yeah, you get younger deer that come to it, But as far as like a you know, five plus, it's just you know, and that's that does the type of year we're going after, it's just so far for us that has the help. So so two things. Number one, I wish more of my guests were like you and would just ask their own questions. They ask a question, they answer their own question, they ask it. I could kick back and drink a beer and have a much easier time. Um. And number two, I want to go back to, um, the camera side of things that you talked about how you ran cameras on some piles, You've ran some cameras on the mox scrapes, and how the mox scrapes seem to be more natural and maybe work a little bit better. Um. I want a little more detail on the camera strategy. So are you just putting like one camera out on each little property? Or do you have some kind of method to the madness as far as like how many acres you want per section or anything like that, And do you change that from early season to the run or is there any other things going on there as far as your camera strategy? And I guess, well more I do I do this. I do like these rapid fire ten questions at once, and it's probably tough on people. Um, what about when you get one specific deer that you're after, you you put the camera out there, you get zeus on there, like, holy smokes, this is the deer I want to hunt. Do you then like take your cameras from everywhere else and then blanket this one little area? Um, answer all those les. Definitely, we're going to get television on a deer. He uh when he finds that one deer that he wants. So Lee has like I can't I don't even know how many properties he has in Atlanta, but it's over that he has permission on and he'll get he'll find this one box that he wants to kill, and he'll pull all of his cameras and I won't even look at other properties the rest of the season, at least until he kills that deer and just you know, uses all those resources to uh to hunt that deer, which I mean that's a lot of times, like that's what it takes for some of these mature bucks. Um. And you know there's there's always getting mad and bad for me because I forget about spots I have. Yeah. Uh, I'm over here trying to find a year to kill and I can't find one. And he's got like all these awesome spots that he don't even have cameras out at. It's kind of frustrating. But um, but no, I mean as far as camera strategy goes, it just completely depends on the property. You know, the layout of the property, the size, um, what you're running it over. Time of year, I think early season. You know, it's just it's all about getting as many cameras out in as many different places as you can. Um in early season, you know, running it over corn isn't gonna isn't gonna bother the deer. They know that they're not being hunted hunted that time of year, all right, I guess not early season, but pree preseason, um will come to a polecorn in daylight. So it's you know, you could be getting pictures of a group of bucks at one spot, and then a hundred yards two hundred yards away there's a completely different group of bucks. And you know, you just have to continue to move your cameras around that time of year see everything that's out there. When when I too, like late October November rolls around. Just like Lee was saying about that first spot that we got, there's so many little pockets of woods scattered through these neighborhoods that bucks hide in, and when they start moving, they just come out of come out of the woodwork. Like we think that we have this whole area covered with cameras and we know all the year there and that's never the case. Like we are always surprised when a giant buck shows up and we're like, where in the world did that bear? Tone from the perfect example that is our buddy just killed a twenty pointer, believe it or not, like a week ago, and he had pictures of that beer two years ago. I had just a few pictures of it. Never saw the deer again for two years. The year was just gone. And he was like, well, you know, I guess someone who got hit by car or you know whatever, and hoole. He shows back up this year and he's at twenty points and he, you know, successfully took that deer. But Drew was like right next to him. Drew's got spots all around him, Drew's never seen the here. It was just like, where in the world was this dear? Where did he come from? Where was he hiding? He's twenty points, He's pretty recognizable. Um so yeah, I mean the they literally just like sometimes they're just ghosts and just vanish and we don't know that. I think that's something that intrigues us so much about him, is that, like you know, sometimes when you kill a deer, you get people that message you and they say, oh, yeah, I I took yourself him here. I was hunting with your here, And you're like really because they're you know, five miles from you, and um, you know they're there. Just seems to be when you can kind of put the missing information that you wish you had kind of along the way together and it just sometimes it amazes you. Where do these deer travel from, where they come from, where they go and things like that. But um, kind of what Drew said about like sometimes and it's kind of circling back to your question of you know, putting out cameras. Do we try and you know spread them out or close together kind of? Sometimes we will literally put cameras. I know, for uh, this year that I'm after, I've got cameras and some of them are you know, a hundred yards from each other, and I get completely different activity on each of them. I get bucks on the camera hundred yards away that I've never seen on the other one that's a hundred yards to the beast of it. So sometimes it's like, you know, very very small amounts of movement of distance. Where you put it, you're gonna get completely new dear. Um. So sometimes yeah, I mean we're putting cameras out that are a hundred yards apart. Sometimes there are two miles apart, three miles apart. So uh, we always have kind of operated under the code of leave no stone unturned, um, So you know, we are not afraid to put cameras just a hunt as a little as the hundred yards apart from each other, even if it's just you know, crossing one little neighborhood road. Um, you just get all kinds of new activity from each do you do you do you do anything different as far as your camera placement to account for they're being more people walking around maybe. I mean, if you're putting a camera in someone's backyard, do you worry about that or do you worry about them seeing it and being weirded out or taking it or or does that not happen? It happens. It happens all of the time a lot. And actually one thing that's kind of help that is we started using uh cellular cameras, and I think when people walk across that in the woods and they see a big intent on it, they immediately realize that we already have a picture of them. So a lot of times I end up end up leaving it. But I mean we don't do this and a lot of people we'll put them kind of up in trees facing down. Um, but I mean we just always try to We always try to pick a tree that's not obvious, it's not like out and open and like use like lock boxes and stuff. Yeah, there's some places like it's guaranteed to get stolen unless you have a lock box on it. So the place where this year that I'm kind of after that, I mean, this year should be like way over two. Um, it's in the it's in like the ghetto. Like it is very very very sketchy. So all the cameras I have there, I have like double bolted to the tree. Uh, and we do that. We'll do the same with our stands of of you know, bolting into the tree because we've you're just getting a different dynamic in the city that you know, you're gonna have people walking across your stuff and um, so you know, yeah, we've we've dealt with in the past and a lot of stuff getting stolen. Yeah, we've some places we've beat up our security and another aspect of it because you just you don't want people knowing that you're hunting back there. I guess you never know who the neighbor is. I mean, if they're a huge anti hunter and they see your stand or your camera back there, you know they could they could call the neighbor and freak out and you lose permission. So just flying under the radar in every aspect um is super super important. Yea, So how do you do that? I've seen some of your videos, like you're thinking about when you go in and out of your stands, waiting until after darks that people want to see you things like that. Can you elaborate a little bit on how you can stealth mode hunt in the suburbs. Yeah. So, first of all, I've made this mistake many times. I'm sure Lee has too. Is once if you get a spot, it's on a certain street and it's a good spot, Um, don't don't knock on any more doors because you can knock on you know, you may try to string a few properties to the other just so you have room to move. But odds are someone who's not going to be um in favor of hunting, and you could end up losing that spot that you already have. So something already happen this Yeah, it happened just this year on a giant deer that kindles hunting and uh permission. Yeah, and the deer's been shown up there in daylight ever since. So that's that's the first aspect. And then you know, just a lot of times, will carry your camera, just wear street clothes and put our camera on kind of like behind the house. Um, we'll try not Yeah, we'll try not to park, you know, our trucks on the street. We'll try to We'll try to get permission to pull our cars, like down the driveway and I'll come in side of the house. There's a There's have been times where I think it was for Zeus to actually, uh Lee drove his dad's Mercedes or something like in the borrow car a little Backfie'll run flyer the radar so people don't see this truck sitting on the side that Roy is gonna block the woods and be like, yeah, I wonder what that guy's doing. And some of these spots are so precious that like you just do everything you can to not lose permission. Like for for example, this year, we call them nine Lives. You know, Kindle's actually hunting him here showing up all summer um, you know, season open, and he was kind of gone for a couple of weeks, but then like boom, he shows back up for Kindles over there hunting, hunting, hunting, And then I guess a neighbor took note of his truck and basically found out he was hunting, went to like I'm not kidding, went to every single neighbor on that entire street in that neighborhood and made a huge deal about it. I mean, just completely blew it out of proportion, and Kendall had like two or three spots in this neighborhood and lost all of them at the drop of a half because of one neighborhood. And like Drew said, literally the day after he lost permission, this deer shows up like six pm, broad daylight, and then like the next day boom shows up again like day like just almost like taunting him. He just yeah, Um, So we really try to treat every spot that we get with just really tender hands, and we that might have been a weird way to say it, but we streed him with care because we take care of our landowner. You know, we'll bringing gift cards or you know, honey, big ham or kind of whatever, thanks to doing just stuff that you know, they wouldn't expect you to do. That really kind of locks in that they want you to be there, but to you know, just we dress in normal clothes. Like for zeus, you know, I was afraid of losing any of these spots because that was the biggest deer we've ever hunted, and it's like you lose one spot and then it's like you may not get it chance of that dear. So I was leaving my bow and my bowcase under these people's back deck with all my camo. So whenever we would part, we'd walk back in normal clothes, changed under their back back by their swing set, and then walk through the woods and get in our stand and then coming out, take off the clothes, put the bow back in the case. And it was just so that we were always seeing coming out, not in camo, not with a bow and stuff like that. Um so you know, that's that's kind of it's it's really important. Also, we we don't put any hunting stickers on our trucks because if people see a truck with hunting sticker, just rais his red flags. And um yeah, there's kind of a lot of things we do to just try and have a small foot front as possible. So so I'm kind of skipping a bunch of steps here, so I'm gonna jump to the end and then I'm gonna pull us back. But what about the situation where you've shot a deer and you are now tracking it or trying to recover a deer. Given all these things we've just talked about, trying to stay under the radar, trying not to tick off people who maybe don't like hunters. How do you handle that whole deal? This is where the fun begins. Yeah, so promote Georgia. You you cannot legally, you cannot regally go on someone else's property without permission, even if you've shot a deer, killed the deer whatever. A lot of states, you know, they allow you to do that here. I mean, some people say you can call the game boarden. If if the game warden came out there and helped you, he'd be doing you a favor. Like that is not normal occurrence. So yeah, I mean you have to go knock on their door and get permission and and say, hey, do you mind if I retreat this deer off your property? So the Zeus story is another perfect example that leads this dear God, I don't know what fifty yards maybe yard off the property. And Lee had to go knock on this lady's door at nine o'clock at night, and she was definitely asleep, and she came out in her nightgown and just like basically wanted to lead it. She was just like s contin used and Lee orchards magic and somehow convinced her that it wasn't a big deal, and and she said yes, but I mean if she had to know, like it would be to her, we'd be scrambling trying to get maybe asked the game ward to help us out, or I mean it's if that doesn't work out, then I mean there's really nothing you can do. Yeah, I mean if that, if that lady would have said, no, I can't go get that deer. You know, thirty yards across our property line. There's nothing you can do about it. So you know, in that case, if that would have happened, we probably would have called the game warden and had him trying to help out that situation. Um. But yeah, I mean we've we've had some look this of Atlanta, it's a melting pot. Not everybody here and loves hunting. And you learn that when you knock on a hundred doors, we get all kind of reactions from people, anything and everything from the sun. I've I've literally knocked on the door before they had a giant totem pole in their front yard, like it was kind of weird. But whatever knocked on the door and I was like, hey, you know, gave my little spiel and basically asked her to hunt, and she was like she just looked at me like her jaw and hit the floor and was just like you see that totem pole like yeah, it's like you see the top of it. Like yeah. She was, well, that's are you know some so and so symbol of the deer and that like that is our God, that is our religion, that is our faith. You are literally murdering our god. Gets the f off my property? And she called the cops, And I mean, you're you're, you know, knocking on people's doors. You're doing what you're supposed to be doing, but still people call the cops on you, and cops show up and causes Shane so like you, just like you, you get all kind of reactions from people that are like, you know, I hate the dear, kill them all. And then you get people that are like, no that I worship here. So um that in your question on the Even in the Zoos video, even after we got permissions to retrieve them, you can see in the video like we're tracking without flashlights. I think Leasy using his cell zone light to follow the blood. And that's because I mean there's other houses, you know, backing up to those properties, and if they see some some people snooping around with slashlights in the middle of the night, like they're gonna, they're gonna. So. Um, you just have to be mindful of everyone around you, even if you're doing everything legally, Like, you just want to draw as little attention to yourself as possible in that in that scenario. But there have been cases where, uh, I've told the story before, but when uh, when there's a blood trail going down the middle of a sidewalk's hard to find under the radar. That's definitely happened to us before. But when deer cross roads bleeding, it's a great place to find blood. If you lose blood, just go up to the sidewalk and you know, you can see him clear as day. If there's a good blood trail going across the road, you pick it back up. Man. Now, what about getting a deer in, you know, from the woods into your vehicle? Do you wrap them up in a tarp or something like that and carry him out? I mean, if assuming you can't get your truck back to the wood edge, Um, I mean, people might think you're pulling a body out. Yeah, I'm gonna say, we don't use tarps for that reason. This is Atlanta. Yeah, people would definitely think for dragging a dead body out. But we uh, we like to um a lot of times well you know, if it's in the evening, we'll just wait till it's like completely dark. Um. But other times we'll get our truck as close as we possibly can to the woods and we'll kind of have a scout of, like you know, looking around, making sure nobody's looking, and then we'll just do it as quick as we possibly can. So it is exactly like pulling a dead body out. Oh man, I quite the process. That's uh, quite the process. Okay, so let's let's let's rewind then back to where we were in the whole journey though. So we've we've gotten permission, we've ran cameras, we're finding the deer were interested in hunting. Now you actually start hunting these deer, um, And maybe maybe you can use an example like this mega deer you're hunting this year, lead or anything you've been chasing, Drew, how what's your mindset as the season begins and you go through the year, Um, what kind of spots are you typically keing in on, Like are you just hunting where you get these pictures or do you focus on all right, food sources in the early seasons, pinch points during the ruck kind of like guys are doing across the rest of the country. Um, kind of walk us through that year of of hunting style strategy. Well, I mean, I think you definitely have to be cognizant of the changing food source. Um. You know, right now is when acorn trees start dropping. Um. But I mean we're we're not hunting until we have daylight for multiple daylight pictures of that that book. So um, we're yeah, And that's something we've kind of learned the hard way over over the years. Like we used if we for a long time ago we got like one one daylight picture of a buck, we'd be in there every day and just like you know, just waiting it out, hoping he'd chow up. This season, Lee hasn't even hunted yet this season and it's been three weeks and uh, you know, he's just laiting on the right time to uh to go in there with this little bit more damage than good and you're walking in and out, you're sending up the area. It's just not the right time to kill that deer. And you're just literally I think you're just shooting yourself in the foot if you're just going at it, you know, too prematurely. Yeah, and so I mean to answer your question, we this time the year, you know, we're gonna look for white oak trees um that are about to drop acorns or the dropping acorns, and a lot of times you know the bust will will come to those at some point. But that doesn't necessarily mean that those bucks are gonna be betting um, or that they're gonna be killable where those trees are. So the camera strategy of constantly moving them around and just covering as much area as possible really never changes. Um. The only time it may change a little bit is peak rutt and you just you just want to be in a travel corridor where you're just getting as many pitchers as possible. Um. But so yeah, I mean this time. I think another thing is like we're dealing with sometimes really tight property lines, and it's like, you know, the the property next door is the one that's got the white oaks that are falling, and it's just torn up with rubs and stuff, and it's like, well, you know, they said no, can't get over there, so the beggars can't be choosers in that case. You know, we try to there's some places where our spots are an acre Crew's got a spot that's eight hundred acres, but most of them are smaller acreages, and you know you can't you don't have a whole lot of room to move around. So we try to really maximize our spots as much as possible. So what we'll do is, like I said, you know, we'll put in mock scrapes. I've actually done it this year just for fun to try. I've actually made rubs myself on trees just to try and show signs of another dominant buck to just try and kind of fire ups out of their buck in there. Um. And then we'll put in uh we do a lot of food plots, a lot of like wheat food plots and stuff. Just really trying to maximize that little acres that you do have, try and show a lot of you know, deer activity. They're trying to draw in deer to that spot because you know, you really are limited on how mobile you can be in some of these areas, so trying to maximize you know, kind of the cards were dealt with. The problemy we have is is definitely, you know, something we try to do for sure, and a lot I mean a lot of times, like in a lot of areas, there are acorn trees everywhere, and there's a ton of Yeah this is it's not flat land like Atlanta is pretty pretty hilly, and there's tons of creek bottoms, little draws and stuff. So you know, are area could have five different little streams that the deer could drink out of, It could have you know, a hundred different acorn trees. So it's it's pretty tough to pinpoint them based on just knowing where like the food sources, because it could be it could be anywhere. Um, and that just you know, lends itself again, so you're just covering as much as much territory as po school. Yeah, kind of going back to like how limited you are in some of these places. That first year that I told you about, Charlie, there was like a nine pointer. I watched them opening day of deer season, beat around in broad daylight at a hundred yards and there was nothing I could do about it because I didn't have I didn't have right the right permission there and he wasn't coming to my other areas. So you know, sometimes you really are just kind of limited there. There's just places you can't access. And I feel like these these deer know that, and that's kind of some of the places they hone in on. And that's why you know a lot of these deer you know, find these safe areas and can get to the right age is that they've kind of found that area where no one can get to. And sometimes that's just it is what it is. Just you can't get in there, so you maximize what you can where you are to when he starts moving, hopefully will spend some more time kind of in your little block that you've got permission. So, speaking of those kinds of things, Lee, I've seen you you use these mini plots that you mentioned there where it looks like on in someone's back five acres or whatever, you've got this little quick and dirty, tiny food plot. Can you talk about how you get that in there and how that helps you? So what really helps is having a hose that runs from their house. Did you water their food? Um? We've spent a lot of time kind of manicuring our food plots, well mostly just plant wheat um and we you know, go in and kind of brake up and blow out an area. Um. We we'll grow pretty much anywhere. UM. So we just kind of throw it out and it'll take and UM. Yeah, literally, I've I've like I've got those uh what are those hoses that like expand and then shrink when you're not using them. They're kind of expensive. But you know what hoses them talking about. I don't think I do. They're like they're like we're tracking. Yeah, they're like shrivel up when you're not using them, and then and they're super lightweight. And then when you look them up and have water coming through them, they'll like expand like balloon out. Um. Anyways, the point of that is that like I'll have I have like four of those that I can connect, and I have like you know, twot of hose that I can you know, run from. I'll just keep it in my truck and you know, I can run it from someone's uh back water faucet and run it all all the way down through the woods down to my food plot. Sit there and you know, if it's not getting much rain, I'll sit there and you know, water it once a week, keep it coming in really good. Um. And we also use leaf flowers, making sure we keep all the leaves out. Um, it's kind of funny. I mean we could, we can talk about a million different things, but you know when we I always see more your activity. When I take a leaflower and blow in blow out the food plot, I just think it gets like fresh earth in the air, just like some I don't know, just fresh kind of dirt smell going on. But it's like every time we blow off our food plot, it's like that next day or that night and that next couple of days falling, like, we always see a lot more activity, do you ever? Yeah, yeah, for Charlie, Like there was a couple of times where we like literally we'd go in with a leaf blower, right, we'd be in Camo and Drewid climb up in the tree and I'd take a leaflower and be blowing the food plot off and walk up the hill, put the leaflower down, come climb up into deer stands. I'll I'll tell you what, I've never heard of Mark Surrey doing something like that. You guys are bourbon tactics. Didn't you have an encounter with Charlie while you're blowing the plot off? So I was this was like Charlie has was gone for like this is October ish, late October, he was gone for like a week. Like kind of getting down, I'm like, hey, he's not showing up. I go in there to blow off the food plot. I put my leaf flower down, and it's like kind of going down the hillside, and it's like as soon as I turned my leaf flower off, I look up and he's like fifteen yards behind me, just staring at me. Wow. And I didn't I don't know how long you're staying here. I don't know what was going on, But like I turned around and looked at him. It's like as soon as we made eye contact, it was like he just had a huge middle finger pointing at me and just like bounded off. And we had been hunting him pretty hard at that point and he was just totally just destroying us. Yeah. Um, there's not a if if I were to say, like, it's funny, if I were to say, like, there's a sound that reminds me of deer season, it's roaring leaf blowers. That's the best thing I've ever heard. Every single time we're hunting, we're here in leaf flowers going on. That's terrible. Especially in the filming aspect of it. Like you can't film interviews all around you is your mind. You can't. You can't hear deer walking around like you just have to you have to rely on your eyesight because you know, the deer could be right under you and you can't even hear it. Another great thing we have to our advantage here is that like sometimes dogs will let you know when you're coming. Yeah, but like if people have dogs in their backyard and they see do you're walking by, like you know, we'll hear a dog like a hundred yards away, just like all right here you come, come comes some deer coming like some over there. So so this brings me to then another thing I've been wondering about when watching what you guys are doing and hearing about it is how human activity impacts things. And then this is a two part question. In part one, how do other humans impact your hunting? So how do the neighbors and people blowing their yards and doing landscaping and playing with the kids in the backyard eight yards away your huntre yards away? How does that impact your hunting? And then number two, because there's all this other stuff going on, does that impact how much you can get away with. So, because these deer are used to people walking around and playing around and making a lot of noise, do you not worry about the pressure you're putting on these deer as much or your exits and entryways all that kind of stuff, Like how does all that work? Yeah, so that's definitely something that we've kind of learned over the years. The hard way. Yeah, definitely the hard way. I mean we used to just kind of go in if we have a five ache for block of woods, maybe a free bottom. We used to go in there and find the perfect tree, you know, on the best trail, and go all the way in that block of woods and set up shops. Now we've kind of learned that these deer like the closer that you get to these that you stay to these houses, Um, I guess the more of their guard is down. But that but so like if you're i mean, if there's kids playing in someone's backyard where they're always playing, you know, if they're like in the grass area or whatever and they're not in camera, they're not. Um, that's where deer can tell, like if you're in normal clothes or camera and if you're if you're just talking like a normal voice level or trying to like sneak around. They can tell the difference, and um, I think they have like this this line behind you know, houses where they are used to normal human activity. But then as soon as you step over that line, they're like, okay, wait a second, you're not supposed to be back here. Um, So we've kind of we've kind of figured out, you know, how to flirt with that line and use that to our advantage. So definitely, I think, I mean, I don't have a ton of experience hunting big woods. I mean, like we said, I have spots or eight acres my parents had, I've had a farm for a long time. Um, But I mean I would say the deer when you get into their woods, which should only be you know, a couple of acres, they are just as skittish and just as where as any other deer you know outside the suburbs. But if you can kind of like splirt with that line of um, normal human activity, then you can you can definitely use that to your advantage. We get busted in the tree all the time, whether it's they are seeing our movement or you know, getting our scent. We we paid attention to our our window lot, but we get busted all the time. Um, so these deer are not you know, I have friends are like, oh, you know, you don't have to worry about sent in Atlanta. They're so used to human center. Well that's not true at all. Not sure, it's not true. They know what a human scent is and they know where it's appropriate to smell it. But when you're in the middle of the wood and they smell it and they can't find you, they're gone. They know when something is different. And if you're walking around and a back yard and normal clothes, you know, they won't pay you too much attention. But if you're walking around and camouflage, they know it's different. They are gone. Um so access for us is huge. Uh. We, like Drew said, we kind of used to get down in the middle of the you know, the best place we could. But what we realized we were doing was we were leaving so much sense going in and out and in and out that the deer just stopped using that area. So we've really learned try to like have as our keep our footprint in the deerwoods as small as possible, So try and keep our you know, distance to and from the stand that uh, you know, as as small as possible kind of going trying to trying to walk in areas with a deer aren't gonna be using as much just trying to get in quiet minimal presidents slip out quiet um, you know, minimal presence, so that these deer absolutely no and there's a lot of human activity in their territory and they don't like it. Um. That being said, one thing that we do, we have done, and we did we do it this year. We've done it this year is that you know, if we get busted in the tree and they don't know what it is or what's going on, or you know, they just know that it's danger and they've blown out and there if they're still kind of lingering around and we're gonna get down from the stands uh, and it's like in the evening, it's getting dark, we'll climb down and and immediately we'll start talking to each other walking out of the woods. Because I think that these they are so used to hearing people talk on their back deck and you know, yelling to scream at the kids whatever, that they're used to that and they've kind of hopefully associate talking and things like that was something that's not dangerous, not something that's trying to If you're quiet and slipping out of the woods, they're like, something's quiet, it might be stalking me acting like the predator. A coyty doesn't go running up to a deer, you know, saying, hey, look at me here, I am just you know, kind of talking the whole time. It's slipping up quiet. So you know, if we get busted and we're climbing down, like we'll immediately just start talking to each other. Hopefully they kind of associate us just with you know, what they've heard on people's back decks and stuff, and and hopes that it kind of you know, minimalizes that predator type you know, presence in that area. Um, but like you know, we have deer that find us in trees and we'll have to pull our stands down and get into the completely relocate because they know where you're at and they'll check it and all that stuff. So, um, it's still Atlanta, still the suburbs. There's things that we do, um that play to our advantage, like talking and things like that, but um, they definitely are still wild animals and they've learned to adapt here um and survive, especially these older mature bucks. These these mature bucks have have zero tolerance for people getting in their turf. The does and younger bucks and stuff, they're a little more tolerant, like they'll come back. But you know, if we if we have a deer, a mature buck, bust us in the stand or send us or something like forget about it. Just go find somewhere else to relocate or reset up on that deer. Yeah. This uh, this kind of acting like a normal neighborhood person strategy that you talked about when you're leaving the stand. Do you ever do that during the middle of the day when you're like trying to scout a new property or maybe you have to hang a new stand. I feel like I remember seeing this, maybe in like your Bin series you're hunting this buck, and I feel like I remember you walking into some new property you got permission on and you're talking and filming and like, all right, this is the true we got a hunt. And I'm sitting there thinking, holy smokes, is the middle of the season. They're walking around hollering and hanging stands. But it kind of makes sense that maybe you do it on purpose because to your point, they differentiate between the two different types of two to the type of activity. It depends again, we're like trying to flirt with that line of where they're used to human presence. And most of the time, you know the spot where that you're talking about where he's hunting ban I mean that was like right in someone's backyard basically, so the deer most likely was not betting down within sound distance from there. But yeah, I mean scouting. I mean we're not wearing cameo and sneaking around and stuff like there. The deer used to kids and stuff walking through the woods every once in a while. Um, so that's that's definitely subsolently, I know, if you're talking about with the band episodes and and yeah, you're right. So that was we pulled up to the spot. It's basically just like a just a hardwood ridge, and um, I remember I said, you know, I'm gonna get out of the truck and walk up in normal clothes. I think I had been you know, binoculars. I was looking and that that was in the case that if he was betted there, or if there was year there, you know, hopefully they would kind of look at us and kind of ease on off instead of us trying to sneak to the stand first and camo and having those deer see us and just completely blow out of there. Yeah. Um so yeah, there are some cases where like I walked up in normal clothes, they see it. You know, there was some construction going on houses and stuff there, so they say, see people there a lot um to try and you know push some of those gear out because they would bed like right under the stand. Yeah that was right before we got the stand, wasn't it. So you walked up there right, and then you came back and we changed and then that's that's actually the night that we killed him, right yep, mans a heck of a deer. That was a great looking buck. You guys were able to get on, so obviously what you guys did worked. Um So back to this whole idea of these dear being understanding of a certain level of certain level of human activity, and it seems like there's ways you can take advantage of that while still obviously still need to be careful. But does this also allow you when you are hunting on that that flirting with that edge, that edge where it's okay versus not okay. Does that allow you to hunt certain spots more than maybe someone might be able to otherwise. I mean, I feel like lots of times when I'm talking to guys that are hunting these rural farms, you know, there's not a lot of people out there, ever, the pressure is very very low. They oftentimes we talk about, you know, that first set is your very best chance, and then it's going to go down significantly after that because they pick up on that human scent and activity very quickly. You just have a time or two in these kinds of scenarios where you're hunting the edge of that human activity line. Can you find those right spots you can hunt over and over and over as long as you play your cards right and get away with it because they're used to some of that. Yeah, I think so. I mean, there's definitely differences between advantages and disadvantages in the suburbs versus you know, hunting big woods, and that's probably that's definitely one of them. Um understand though. Yeah, you have to be in the right you have to have your your stands set in the night spot for sure. Yeah, I think you can get away with more. But if it's like you know, a place where we're getting in the in the thick of it with them, then no, I would say that it's the exact same scenario, that your first set is definitely your best odds, and that that kind of goes back to why we study cameras so much like we do and not hunt until that time is right. Yeah, that makes sense. Um So, I don't know if you want to elaborate on that at all, but well, no, no, I definitely agree with that, Like you have to and you have to follow, you know, those rules of worried that you are used to the human activity, and that goes for if you're in the suburbs or you're not, um I mean, and you know, the deer in the suburbs are more used to human activity in certain areas than they would be in the big woods. But in the big woods you have the advantage of being able to you know, you have a lot more room to work with and a lot more room to play the wind. You know, different trees to set up in and in the suburbs, a lot of times you have if if you're lucky, you have that one tree that you can choose from and you just have to make it work. So I think it's a lot of give and take. Yeah. Sure, Now, based off all of this, I can kind of assume the answer to my next question. But what about other people messing up your hunts. Let's say someone decides to go walk their dog behind the house and walks all around you, or you know, kids come running through. Is that the kind of thing that obviously it spooks off the deer right at that moment, but you're like, Okay, we'll sit it out because they're used to that deer will come back through eventually, maybe once these people move off. Is that the case that happens a quite actually, Um, But I think it's more of a thing where like it may spook them off for that time being, but the next day is a fresh day, and they don't really care or remember about you know, that person walking their dogs in the back of in the in the woods, because that's just something they've kind of come to know, So it's not it's not if it's something they've seen. Yeah, it may spook them off for the time being, but it's not gonna be something that's gonna be like a permanent memory in their mind where they're like, I'm avoiding that area. Something where it's like you're in the stand and they sent you, or they spot you in the stand and see you there. That's something that stands out to them and would be something where they would definitely like vacate that area and not come back. Um, but drew you. I mean you can tell a story about will Bury and that pit bullet came and chased them off. Yeah. Yeah, I mean it's like, yeah, we have dogs run up on it. It's pretty often in a stand. And uh, I think it was four years ago. I was hunting this buck I called Willbury. He's just a an awesome, just slick eight pointer. Um it was I think it was the first or second week at the season, and this year was in there just like every day. He he kicked out all the other bucks in his bachelor group and was he had made like I don't know, five or six scrapes in this little tiny area and he was coming in every day. Lee and I were hunting. Um, I think we had we had like two encounters with him right at dark. Actually shot at him and missed one night, and I was out there again the next day. And uh, he was coming in like he was walking straight under my stand and maybe ten yards away. I was full draw about to uh, just waiting for him to turn broadside, and all of a sudden, the neighbors dogs, a couple of pit bulls came running through the woods and chase them off. And like, I think that's if they're again, like if they're used to stuff like that, Like, if they if that's a natural occurrence, it's going to scare them off for a little bit, but they're going to come back if it's not some sort of like life threatening thing for them. So I think I ended up feeling that deer a couple of evenings later in the same the same general area. So um, it just completely you know, it depends what they associate, um, that presence with. Yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense. Man. So so you're you're going in and getting permission on all these different places that maybe more guys don't tend to. You are scouting them out, You're running a ton of cameras to find where these older, bigger deer are your ZERI and on them once they get daylight active. You're doing little things like putting these mini plots, running mock scrapes, um. Being careful about how you're getting in and out and making sure that you're on that line between safe and not safe for deer, so you can take advantage of your doing all these things. Is there is there anything else that you're doing during the hunting season or otherwise that you think is making you guys uniquely successful that's allowing you to have, you know, buoning Crockett class bucks coming out of the suburbs of Atlanta that we haven't touched on yet. Uh. Something is probably like you know, we we've talked about waiting for the right time to be in the tree, but once it is that right time. Uh. The probably one of the biggest thing for us is just we spend so many hours in a tree sitting there, you know, waiting for it to happen. We can spend more time in a tree. We're blessed in that way than most people. And you know, for example, Bayne last year, over the two years of hunting him, I think we sat like over sixty times UM. And so I don't know how many hours it was that we actually spent in a tree hunting that year. UM. And then you know, for Zeus, I think we sat like times or so times, um and you know, finally finish the story on that here. But it's like, I think the biggest thing is once it's the right time, you got the right set up, everything's right. It's just spending time at a tree and and just as much as you possibly can and not missing that one opportunity that that here presents itself. I think that's something that you know, it's it's yeah, you know, your your first it's gonna be your best set when the time's right, and everything like that. But when October, you know, late October November one around, it's all about being in the tree as much as possible because sometimes you know that that bucket of a lifetime that are that they're here only presents that one chance, and it's not missing that opportunity, um, Drew. I don't know if there's anything else you can think of, but I think that's one of the big things, is that we just get this and so much time on a tree. Yeah, and I mean we've touched on it a little bit, but these books, like, especially during the rut, these bucks travel a ton and one good example is Lee had pictures of the same buck on two different cameras seven miles apart in the same night. Um, and that's crossing like a bunch of heavily traffic roads like four lane roads, um, neighborhood roads and all sorts of stuff. So you know, yeah, you say, your first sit is always your best chance, but I mean there's also a very good chance that that the buck you're hunting is not in that block the woods, you know, those first fifteen times that you sit, So it could take um, you know, a week and a half of sitting there before you catch him on that leg of his of his loop. And you know whether or not, God, I'll just saying whether or not. I mean, he may come through that one time, but he might may not even give you an opportunity that one time. So then you have to wait again for him to do his full circle and come back to again. So we also have like for banes, and the same with you know, the deer that we're hunting this year is like we have three or four different sets of stands that we've hung and a lot of times, you know, we have these covert cellular cameras. So it's like if we wake up, we're playing to hunt in the next morning and we wake up in the morning, it's like, where was he seen last? So when we sit, you know, sixty times in a two year spans these deer sometimes it's it's not necessarily in the exact same spot, in the same stand. It's like we kind of read where his last activity was and kind of you know, if we saw him over at Spot A, we'll go to Spot A. But if the next night, you know, he seems to have moved over Spot B, we'll go over Spot B where we've got our other stands, Hong, So we're constantly kind of adjusting reading where you know, getting kind of real time information is unmatched that that probably something that is, you know, our game changer is getting real time information on deer activity, where he's at, where he was last, seeing things like that, and also not having to go in the woods to check these cameras. You're minimizing your sun but just knowing in real time is you cannot replace that, you cannot beat it. Yeah, you know, on the on the the the opposite side of that, though, do you guys see any kind of like annual patterns emerging? Lots of times you hear guys say that they noticed that this buck seems to show back up in this little area the first week in November every year, first week in October every year, and you can start using the historical data, it seems like with these deer you followed multiple years, that might be the case. Have you all do that? Absolutely? That's that's actually a really good question, because that's something that I wouldn't have, I guess thought of, But I told you, like, sometimes we'll have pictures of these deer for like four or five years before we actually hunt him. So we've we've already built so much history around that deer of where he likes to spend, what time, that we can actually head beer off so vain. Last year we had an early season encounter with him and after that it was like, you know, we were like, he's not coming back here. After that happened, we know where he's going though, it chases Does. So we completely pulled out of that area, relocated and like clockwork, you know, second or third week of October, you know, here he is four miles away chasing Does. And the same with Kendall and that deer that he lost permission at and we told you about that like h year, Uh, he knows where that deer goes in November, late October November, so he's already heading him off. But history and knowing these dear sendencies is also something that's just you know, huge, huge, huge key and a lot of times, like on this year that I'm hunting this season, which I've watched for five or six years, like, I know, I know where he goes, but I'm only I'm still very limited on where I can actually hunt. So I knew that I had a small kind of window of opportunity early season which I wasn't able to capitalize. And now I know that he kind of just roams around throughout the middle of the season, and there's not much I can do about it, um besides, you know, run October camera and hope I can catch them, you know, just stopping by in the middle of the season. But I do know that he shows up at a different spot in January, and when he's there, he's like clockwork. So you know, I may know where that deer is and I may have a bunch of history with them, but that does not necessarily mean that you know, it's a just a um that it's game over, Like I'm gonna have to most likely have to wait until January to uh to have a shot at this year. So that's definitely a huge, huge advantage. Okay, So I've taken a lot of you guys time. We're pushing two hours already coming up on it. Um, I feel like we've only scratched the surface. I know, it's it's crazy how quickly this goes and how much more let's talk about. But I guess I want to leave you guys with one last prediction that I want from each of you. You're each sounds like you're each after a buck. Sounds like Lee's got a two plus. Drew, I'm not sure what kind of deer you'r chase, but I'm sure it's something then that makes my jaw drop. Um, if if you kill these two deer, I'd like you to predict when and how you would expect it to happen. If if you were to look back and say, yeah, I kill that dear, paint me the scenario in which you think that would happen. So, Drew, you just said it will probably happen in January, Um, but but flesh out how you think that if it was gonna happen this would be it. Yeah, So I mean, I guess it's one or two things. Like I said, it's gonna be a crapshoot um late October November. I mean, he the spot that I have permission is between two big blocks of woods that it's impossible to get hunting access to UM. And so he passes through UM my little block woods. It was just probably five acres, but he doesn't necessarily hold up there. So I am. I am feeding in there, and I'm holding a group about of about five or six does And there's a chance that he passes through and locks down on a dough in November in that block of woods. So I'll have cameras out um obviously all year long. And if he does that, if he shows up, I'm gonna get in there and hunt. But that's gonna I mean, that'll be you know, it's not very high odds, so most likely I'll just have to wait it out and hope that he will not get shot or hit by far And I think January, I'm gonna say January twelfth is when he's gonna show up at my my late season spot and he's gonna start coming to Most likely he's gonna start coming to corn since corn is legal now, and it'll take me maybe on the three or four hunts to get them because once I mean once they get on that late season food source, they really don't have a whole lot of other options besides landscaping. So, um, they get pretty predictable that late season. And actually we didn't mention this, but the season in the suburbs has for years has run a month longer than the rest of the state. Um, it's changed now, but for a long time, the rest of Georgia closed at the end of December and the suburbs go all the way through through January. So they kind of I think they kind of let their guard down these last two weeks of the season. So that's my my prediction there on that book. All right, it sounds like a good plan. What about you, Lee, I'm kind of chuckling at myself, But Drew brought up something we I really talked about. But November, our enemy number one is definitely Mom's soccer vands going down the street. That's our biggest competition in some areas, and we've had it, We've had to go down that way for us several times. But um, yeah, so I'm after two year right now. One of them is like, I don't know how big he is. He's giant typical, he's definitely over one seventy. He's the one that I've got like seven cameras out for um. He actually just showed up this morning for the first time in like a while of hunt what I would call huntable hours, like in the morning of the evening when I'd be sitting there instead of this middle of the day I'm in this year's he's still kind of in his summer area. He's actually still with his running buddy once probably the third or fourth week of October. Hit this year travels for miles. He is a complete just he's completely random. I hope it doesn't come down to that point. So what I'm hoping for and what I think is my game plan is is that while he's still in his summer ish area, I'm really utilizing scrapes right now because he's really getting all the pictures I have him. He's got his head up in the scrapes and he's getting really defensive on him. I'm gonna continue to work out against him before his pattern changes and he starts chasing. Does all over the place, because once it happens, it's just you know, it's it's gonna be a complete gamble. I'm hoping there's gonna be a little window beforehand where we get some cooler weather. He hasn't left that area. He's hitting these scrapes, and I think it's gonna go down, um before November, So hopefully like in the next next week, week and a half, I think it can go down with this year for the two year. Um right now, I know that this year is in a certain area, and it's a big area. Uh, I'm keying in on the place, and it put me a really long time to get permission here. And I actually just confirmed permission yesterday. Um, there are funds of those I mean, like like thirty or forty does that are coming through this section I'm in. I'm vetting that when November rolls around, I probably won't see this year until November. But when November rolls around and all these all these does start coming in the heat, I guarantee you that this box is going to show up in this area dog and all these dose so and that's assuming he makes it that long. Because a lot of people there's there's just like fifteen people hunting this year at least, So if he makes it to November, I'm I've got all I need. Just because I'm not seeing him in other bucks right now. I'm completely fine with that because I'm in the perfect area where I know, if I'm a mature buck, this is the place that I would want to be. There's plenty of plenty of poon tank to chase around here. So um. The beauty of this is you can edit that out if you want, right, you can say whatever you want. Um. So I think I think that if it were to go down with that two, it would be in the heat in November. Um, this other typical. I think it's gonna be really hard to kill him in November, and he's gonna be traveling so far. Um, So I think it'd be October when he's hitting scrapes or that late season window when he keeps back and keeps back on the food. So well, those are good predictions, and and hopefully when those predictions come true, we have to get you guys back on maybe one of the radio episodes to describe what was going on and how it all, how it all happened. Hopefully you just describe exactly what you just did. So you who never goes that way, but at least you get a plan in place to go for it. Um Man, this has been really really interesting, really unique. So this is fun for me. And if folks want to follow along with what you've got going on, how your seasons are going, your future videos and all that, where can they find that stuff? Yeah, So all of our videos are posted on Facebook, UM and YouTube, and our facebook is Seek one Productions. It's s e e K O n e UM. They're also aired on Mossy Oaks Facebook page and No Mad's Facebook page. And then to keep kind of keep up with the daily uh of us is Instagram is the best place to go um it seeks and then the number one instead of spelled out skin productions at Quin Productions. So that's what we put post on most um And kind of what we're doing with the videos this year is we've already released one is the Nashville episode, and then from there, I mean, we're producing episodes per kill, so we try to we try to get them out within you know, forty five days or so of the kill. Um So right now, I mean likely said none of us have killed a buck yet, but we've got nothing in the works, but hopefully we start putting some down here soon and you can expect to see some videos you know, shortly after that. So if you want to before we go, uh, kind of bring the correlation to our seek One name, they could just have some me into it and kind of why would have that name? Yeah, we can do that. Um. Yes, again, follow our Instagram kind of. Lee and I are both pretty strong Christians. We went to a Christian high school. And so what kind of what we're trying to do is use this platform to glorify God and to just kind of spread his name um in this season through our Instagram every Sunday, we're kind of doing like a little mini sermon um and just kind of doing a faith walks from beginning in and just trying to make as big as impact as we possibly can um on the hunting community. And the name seek one actually comes from a speaking like one specific buck. You know, we like we've talked about we build this story about around one buck um and then also just seeking you know one God, Jesus Christ. So that's really that's one of our big motivations for doing this. So Um, if you're into that, that's awesome, and we hope you follow us. And if you're not, I just hope that you you guys go on our Instagram and kind of read our post from the last few Sundays and follow along and kind of just ask the hard questions and maybe start that journey. So we get a lot of questions of how we kind of came up with Seek one, so we'd like to try and bring it all around for people to ask. So very cool, very cool. Well, you guys are doing great work. Um, not only you know, you've got a great sounds like you've got a great mission behind what you're doing, but you've got great deer that you're chasing a unique situation. But the quality of the work too is very impressive. I can see that you were inspired by guys like you know, Donnie Vincent and the group the Cruise Sigmanta or Heartland bow Hunter. It seems like you took that and you've you put your own spin on it and really putting out work that's top notch. So to anyone listening, yeah, of course, I think anyone listening. I'm sure you found this interesting and I'm sure you're gonna enjoy those videos, so head on over and check those out. So Lee and Drew, thank you for joining me and uh, good luck this season. Yeah, I actually thanks for having us on and that is a rap. Folks, thanks for joining us, Thanks for tuning in. I hope you enjoyed this one. I will just reiterate a couple of the quick things I mentioned at the top, that being the new season and meat Eater that's on Netflix. Make sure you check that out. Also, with the new company, meat Eater, Inc. You will be finding all of my new Wired Hunt content on that new website. So that's the meat eater dot Com. That's where my new articles are going to be. That's where my new videos are gonna be, in addition to YouTube. That's where the new podcasts are going to be, in addition to your podcast apps and everything. And on top of what I'm putting out there, there's also content from Steve Ronnella. There's content from Ben O'Brien, April Bokey, Pat Durkin, Eduard Garcia, a whole bunch of other people. Um, the team is growing rapidly with some of the best and the brightest folks in the hunting and Fishing World, So I hope you check that out. 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