00:00:02 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host, Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm your host, Mark Kenyan. This episode number two and thirty three, and today Dan and I are back together again and we're discussing his life changing elk hunt in Colorado in my downright disappointing trip to North Dakota. Before we kick things off, though, we want to thank our friends at Lacrosse Boots for their support of this podcast episode. And if you're a white tailed deer hunter, and I gotta believe if you're listening to this show, you probably are. Other Wise I got to believe you're really bored of what we've been talking about over all these years. But assuming you're a white tailed deer hunter, I personally haven't found a better boot to recommend to you than one of these Lacrosse Rubber knee high boots. I really like their Arrowhead and Alpha Burley Pro models. 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And if you'd like to check out what Lacrosse Boots has to offer you and other white tail guys and girls like us, you can head on over to Lacross Footwear dot com. All right, welcome back to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by Onyx, and for the first time in a pretty decent while, we are here for just a good old fashioned Mark and Dan bs session. And it feels so good to say that no plans, no expectations. I love that because the thing for me is I'm always really good at under promising and then occasionally over delivering. So I think that's that's the game plan for today. So basically what you're telling everyone now is you're gonna tell them it's a good podcast, but we're gonna weigh under deliver. Yeah, like for this probably just jinks the whole thing, but whatever, dude, I've been in just a just a tizzy of chaos the last couple of days. So I literally ran this this is the truth. I literally ran into my house just before starting to record this. I ran over to my son and kissed him goodnight, hurried over into my office and took off my pants. Um, that's it, that's it, yea. And it was a prerequisite to take off my pants before recording this podcast. So you're sitting there and just your underwear. I am just in my underwear for you tonight. And I did that for a reason. Though's because I was worried that I might get poison ivy on me because I was just in the woods all day working on tree stands, and I just thought to myself, oh gosh, these are probably poison ivvy covered pants. And if you sit here recording a podcast, you're gonna be like touching your legs and not thinking about it and then touch your face. And I can't be having so panci lists for poison ivy precautions. Uh. So that's that's my state of mind right now. Um, it's a perfect, perfect way to start this podcast. Um, what I what I do? There are a few things that I did have on my list of things I want to make sure we did talk about. Really, just two that we have to cover. Um, number one, we gotta talk about your elk hunt. And number two, we got to talk about my North Dakota hunt with Further because last week's podcast, you were out hunting the mountains, but me, Spencer and Further did a quick one and I was just on my way from Montana to North Dakota. But no one knows what's happened since, so I gotta give him those updates. But that's that's all I got. So otherwise, it is an open highway for us to take people to whatever destination. We can think of this detour all the way. Yeah, do you have any detours you want to start with you or you just so pumped up on elk hunting mojo that you have to just let it out. Dude, I'm down for whatever. You know. Me, I don't. I don't like live by the normal rules. You know, every every rule I see is basically just kind of a guideline. It's not necessarily saying you have to do this. So Mark, Plus, I'm I'm just the sidekick right on this podcast. I don't make any decisions. You're the one in charge, right. You live on the edge, Dan, you are the wild card. And then then I'll throw this one at you then, because probably nobody cares about anything else except for if they haven't been following along in other places. If you kill an elk? So did you kill an elk? No, we did not kill an elk. But shots were fired, shots plural, Well one shot, one shot. So here's here's what I'll do. Here's what I'm gonna say. I'll just kind of get into the story, right. I want to say, because I told you when we talked on the phone the other day, I purposely of waited hearing too many details because I wanted to hear it now, So I am, I am dying to hear. Just just give it to me, all right. So here's the deal. So I learned a lot on the on the elk hunt. UM that me and you went on right, like what to do and what not to do. UM. The first thing that we did when we got into Colorado. We got into Colorado like three in the morning. I went to my buddy Adam Par's house, crashed on his couch, got some sleep. So that means we woke up Saturday morning. I got there like three am Saturday morning. I went there or woke up, oh about nine or so, got some coffee, UM, went and got some groceries, had to make a couple of stops and run some errands in town. UM. And then we headed up to the mountains. Right Saturday. We got to the mount we got into camp, which a lot different than so we stayed on private property, but we hunted all public property. And it looked like you guys are staying in like a cabin or a house or something. A cabin. There was no electricity, There was no running water, so we had to bring all of our own water, UM, and all of our own food and ice and all that stuff. So we slept in a cabin. Me and Ryan slept in a cabin. Uh. Was this was this specifically because they've heard about your tent to boccles and they just they really wanted to avoid that. Well, I'm just lucky, and I'll tell you as as we get into the story. It's crazy because dude, if instead of going back to a tent and sleeping on the ground, you get to go to at least a mattress in a sleeping bag. Uh, and you're in a in a enclosure, not necessarily a tent, it's a game changer as far as getting a good night's sleep. So um, so that's kind of one thing. But anyway, for the for the for the over forty crowd, I guess ha ha ha ha. I'm sorry it was up there. You had to take it right, yeah, low hanging fruit, that's right. So anyway, um, I think the last time what just kicked my ass so bad when we went was dude, we got we we drove from Iowa to Idaho, got out of the truck and went straight up the mountain like we were only at the bottom of it at your truck for enough time to put our backpacks on thirty minutes to get dressed, throw them on and get going, get going. So what what I what we did this time was we didn't hunt Saturday at all. We got to the mountain, We got camp set up and I literally started drinking out of a gallon of water and I drank and drank and drank, and we got acclimated. The camp was at about the cabin was at about ten two yep. So we spent the entire rest of the evening, um, had a good meal, got to bed somewhat early, and uh, you know, hydrated and acclimated. And I think that that changed the game for the entire week because I wasn't suffering as bad as I was the last time we went. I mean I felt really really good. Yes it was exhausting, and yes it was tiring, and yes it was punishing, but it was not like defeating, if that makes now. Would you credit any of that to your change in physical preparation to for this one? Yeah, I did a lot of different things. Like I for what I did with you was I did a lot of like just your regular weightlifting routines with some cardio and like and when I mean a regular weightlifting routine. I mean, okay, you go to the squat rack and you do ten reps, and then you go and you do some leg extensions and maybe you do ten dead lifts. This I did like a hundred dead lifts and so but lighter weight or I did a of something. So I just wore the muscles out and then I did stare Masters. And one thing that I really think helped was my weighted pack hikes. Uh and this is for like the entire trip, right, but the weighted the weighted pack hikes. I mean because I talked to a lot of guys who went out west from flat lands like Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Iowa, and they're like, nothing can there's no exercise that can prepare you for what you're going to do. And the one guy was telling me, and the best exercise that I felt, you know it worked, was the weighted pack hikes. So I did a lot of um putting weight on a pack and hiking for like four miles that some of those took an hour and a half to maybe two hours, and just trying to exhaust the body basically was what I was trying to do. And I feel that the furst. I mean the first couple of days, man, I felt really good compared to you know, as the as the week went on, I felt, you know, my leg my energy was definitely draining. But we get it hard for six straight days. Yeah. Um, well that's good though. And when I was seeing what you're doing this summer with those hikes, you know, just like you said, nothing but hiking with a heavy pack can really replicate that. Um. And it's so important. It's not the glamour muscles and those you know, curls and stuff that are going to help you in the mountains. It's can you slog up a hill all day with a heavy load and just keep going and keep going? And I'm glad that helped out. Yeah, absolutely helped out. And I'll tell you what, I focus so much on my lower part of my body, like my legs and cardio that I hardly did any colonels or triceps or um the I did do. I did do shoulder press um and and a lot of rowing machine for the back, but you know, doing the bench press, the curls, the triceps, I hardly did any of that at all. Yeah, And now was your wife upset with your regiment this time, because it sounds like your glamour muscles just worn't up to part them this year for her. Is that part of the strategy to keep child number four from happening? No, no, no, no, child child number three keeps child number four from happening. I don't believe it. I won't believe it to like until I hear about the procedure. Man, Yeah, you're right. I need I need to just do it. I don't know why you haven't. I guess I live on the wild side. Mark, you live on the edge. You just your tiptoe right on the precipice of disaster a time. In order to have a baby, you have to have sex. And when three kids, it's like that bell curve just goes. Okay, I understand, now, we get it. Now we get it. I can tell we understand. Okay. So so no sex, lots of exercise, though you're you're feeling better at the beginning of this trip, continue with this story. So, so, dude, it was day one was out of a just out of like videos that I've seen and I'm not talking about elk running around everywhere. Because we got out of the camp and I got introduced to something called dead fall this trip and with high winds the Beetle Kill and dude, I'm talking about trees stacked on trees, stacked on trees, anything from knee high to chin high that you're having to climb over or under or around. And what if you're walking a straight line on the mountains, let's say should take about ten minutes to fifteen minutes. We're talking about forty five minutes of dead fall in a quarter mile and it's nasty. So you know. Then we dropped down to about nine five from Camp tend To. We dropped down over the course of about a half mile to a creek, walk another half mile up. We're back somewhere around ten to. Then we start getting out of the creek to these benches where all the elks, SI, aur and U. You know. The first setup we heard, we hear something. We're like, hey, let's set up here. We call this is day one. We call nothing happened. Sorry, if I can time out. Did you guys are Adam right? Adam Adam? He he knew this area, right, So did you guys have like a game plan, like, hey, we're gonna go to a place or was it. Heyward's gonna walk in this direction and see if we hear anything and stop every time we hear What was like, what was the game plan as you were doing this hike? Right? The game plan was, you know he's he pretty much told us the night before and he showed us on a map. Hey, we're looking for these these bench types. It's where there, you know, we come off a steep there's like a steep drop off on the mountain and it kind of flattens out and then it gets steep again. And these flatter areas are what the elk really seemed to congregate on. That's where they seem to bed throughout the day. That's their access routes to these meadows where they're going and eating grass. Um. So a lot of focusing looking at the topographic mac map and trying to find these benches where the elk we're at. So he'd been out there the past two years, three years, so he had a good idea of where where we're heading. Okay, so you're heading towards these benches, you're getting there, you hear something, you set up? What are you doing? So we set up and uh, and Adams like, Okay, who who gets first shot. I look at Ryan, I say paper rock scissors for first shot. My buddy Ryan came with me. It's like, okay, one, two, three shoot, he wins. Okay, so he gets first shot. So what he's doing is wherever we think the elk are gonna come. Then Ryan and then Adam is however far back behind him, kind of calling a combination of bugles and cal calls. And then I'm off on a flank. So if maybe he hits it, I get a secondary follow up shot, or if he misses, I get a secondary follow up shot, or you know, something along those lines. And you're just hearing, you're just hearing like movement, or you actually heard l bugling in your direction. You heard movement like cracking come like cracking going through the dead fall, right, didn't didn't hear any bugles. So nothing happens on the first try. And what we're doing is we're working our way up the mountain with the wind blowing in our face, the thermals coming downhill. And then what the goal is is by the time you work your way up, you're to a point where the thermal switch for the late morning, you know, and then you're coming down you maybe go find another meadow and then you work your way down. Right. So so we get up to this meadow set up. You know, nothing happens. Set up, nothing happens. And we heard and then finally, dude, I'm telling you it is a life changing event. And I'm not talking about what we heard in Colorado where we hear one bugle, um probably oh yeah, we didn't heard a crap anile one mile away. We heard one bugle. Was I was that when I was telling you what it could be like, Was I right? Oh dude, it was nuts. I hear this bugle across the drainage on another side, which sparked another bugle on our side, which sparked another bugle. So we heard four elk bugle uh, three in the drainage that we were at, and one across the creek in and um in the same drainage, so clear across it and were I look at my buddy Ryan, I just like that's this big smile on my face and like, oh my god. And one was close and off to where you can hear the chuckle at the end of it, and like the a little bit of like the rasp and like the air and like the yeah, right, yeah, So we hear these we hear these bugles. Once close enough we can hear the chuckle, and so I'm getting fired up. I don't even know what to do. Luckily, my buddy Adam there is like he's he's been in that situation before. He's like, Okay, we're gonna work our way up. We're gonna continue with our plan. And we worked our way up to the next meadow. Called, heard a couple of bugles, called, heard a couple of bugles, And then, which is crazy, the sun came out and it's shut off. Right. We kept calling a little bit, we kept calling. Nothing shut off. So we climb up this meadow and then there's this really steep embankment. But at the top of this this incline is a flat bench. It's a little open, but what it will allow us to do is scan the opposite side of the drainage to look to see if any elk are coming out on these meadows or if we can see any movement. So we climb up. We're sitting. So we started right when we got off the creek. We're at ten to now we're at eleven one. You know, obviously This is a fast version of the story. We pop into a couple more meadow, we eat lunch, um, pop into a couple more meadows. I had uh some cliff bars and then some pack of runs from a company called Heather's Choice. What's a pack of room? I don't know. It's like this dense protein bar. It's like, uh um, they're really tasty, dude, They're they're really tasty. Okay, was it you or was it further who brought like nothing but cliff bars for like all of their meals except for dinner. Was that you? Yeah? That was me on our on Idaho. Oh. I couldn't live like that. So you had you had a packer room, which sounds like kind of similar though, right, but it's way soft. They're really soft. They're like it's like a a protein brownie, but but full of all organic stuff. So you thumbs up for that, all thumbs up. And because we were out of a camp instead of a tent, you know, and we had we could drive our vehicles there, we were able to bring more food like bananas and apples and carrots and stuff like that. So every day instead of eating you know, straight cliff bars, I was able to have a banana or a apple right there. All the other things you mentioned that you think helped you, none of them made a difference. It was just the fact that you went off of a straight cliff bar diet. That's that was what you had wrong last time. Probably, Well, I couldn't I couldn't go to the bathroom last time, and this time I didn't have problem going to the bathroom, and that'll that'll change things absolutely. Okay, So no cliff bars, pecaruns and whatever else. Uh so sorry, yeah, water, So we chilled here for about forty minutes, you know, we catch maybe take a little snooze. And it's kind of funny because my my buddy Ryan has this real fancy watch and it tells you calories burned in elevation and all this stuff, and uh, to get to that point, we burnt seventeen hundred calories just in the walk in and dude, I'm telling you, over the course of the entire trip, we were burning anywhere between five thousand to six thousand calories a day. That's pretty that's pretty cool to know. And you get back to camp and you're you're trying to literally force feed yourself and you can't even make it to four thousand calories because you're so full. Oh yeah, guilt free eating. And and then you wake up, you stuff your face with a breakfast until you're almost uncomfortable, and you hike and in an hour and a half you're hungry again. So that was nuts. So anyway back to the back to day one, because it's kind of the like Day one and day three, we're the kind of the most interesting. We get up there. We then we kind of hike through this next meadow. We're coming around, work our way up, do some calling sequences similar to turkey hunting. Right, you're set up, you call, set up call, set up call, and uh, hopefully something you know, something was would come out. And long story, long story short, we turned around, we head down the mountain um and as we're heading down the mountain, we had all the way back down to where we started in the very most bottom meadow and we uh and overcast starts to come in, a storm comes in, and then it starts raining again, and then something happened in the weather. I hate to keep it interrupt to you, Yeah, because you're getting momentum here and you're really your story flowing, your juices are flown here. But I gotta ask, um, if we're comparing and contrasting last trip to this trip, last trip, when it starts rain, you would put a black garbage bag on, did you did you bring the garbage bag back? Or did you real rain here this time? No? No, I had a real rain jacket this time. So I prepared and it worked and I was happy. Oh man, that is one of my greatest memories of all hunting trips ever, is looking at you in your parka slash garbage bag, just like literally. But I'm telling you, these rain storms that we witnessed out in Colorado, they went away after fifty minutes, right, it didn't rain all day long. Yeah, we had a couple of rough ones. So okay, sorry, you're in good rain rain ring. Your's good, it's on check. I'm staying dry. We were heading down the mountain and as we're heading down the mountain, he lets one one bugle and that an elk all the way across the drainage on the other side of the creek. Um bugles, So we work our way even further down, all the way down and uh so we're like, okay, we got across the creek. We're gonna get up into the next drainage and we're gonna go chase that bowl, because that's kind of that was our strategy, try to get one to bugle and go chase it. Right, So, were you kind of doing what you and me had wanted to do, I would never have the right opportunity. But basically, hear one, you just get as close as you think you can and then call if you think you're right in their business. Yep, absolutely, and this is where it's good. All right. So we were heading down, we're getting right across the creek. We're probably about a hund yards from the creek, and there's another bugle that just rips off right back from where we just came from. And Adam goes, I bet you anything that bowl bugled in his bed. So we bugle again and he he responds. Again, We bugle again, he responds. So we're now we're trying to locate him and if he's coming from the exact same spot, right, and he's like, let's go, this one's closer, let's go get him. Go back up the mountain. We get into and as we're as we're getting closer, so like every hundred yards every two yards we bugle, and it's coming from the same exact spot, and this dark timber is so thick and nasty you can't see. You can't even see fifty yards in front of you, right, So we're getting really aggressive and we're going right straight towards this bugle. And the good thing about how this all played out was with the cloud cover and a slight drizzle the afternoon, thermals were coming down. They weren't going up because it was cooler, and the rain kind of was pushing the thermals down. Uh, it was kind of it wasn't raining, but it was kind of sprinkling. Thermals were going down, and and we were getting closer, and we're getting closer, and now now we're so close that when he bugles, you can feel it, like I'm like, you could feel it in your skin. When that high pitch part of the bugle goes, your ears just kind of tickle a little bit, like that's how close we were. Right. So we get up to this spot, and by the grace of God, there is an opening right there, right there in the um in this dark, thick, dead fall timber, and it's offering a shooting lane of like twenty to thirty yards and uh, and Adam goes, okay, you set up here, Dan, you flank over here, and um, I'm gonna drop back and start calling. So Ryan got first shot until he actually let an arrow go? Or were you guys eating on every setup? Not every setup? First shot? Just like the first shot. So we're gonna we're gonna get into position, and um the first every time we put Ryan in like the first until he got a shot. It was Ryan's shot. That was a high stakes game of rock paper scissors. I know that could have been the whole trip. You might have had him leading off. Yeah, it could have been. So did you have any strategy when he went into that rock paper sciss or just go with your gut? I just I just threw. I didn't even think about it, because you think about it and then you start messing up. Yeah, but in retrospect, now that you lost, do you think you should have approached it with any different ideas or tactics? Probably? I don't know. I really wasn't thinking about I just I was like, Okay, I don't have a quarter in my pocket. Let's think of a fairway. A fair way to do this. So paper rock scissors one out of one. That's all it was. That's that's high stakes. Okay, Yeah, so Ryan's up to bat. Ryan's up to bat. I dropped down a little bit lower, and I come around to another little clearing that's about the size of a small bedroom. I mean, if the elk was gonna come my way, it would have, he would have I would have shot him at ten yards type of deal. So Adam drops back behind Ryan down the down the mountain and he starts taking sticks and branches and ship and just cracking him and throwing logs and beating him and bugling and cow calling, and so what he was doing is sounding like he was running around gathering up some cows. That's what if I had to guess, that's what it sounded like. And every time he bugled, and now you know, we've pushed into about fifty yards of this elk, right, I can't see him yet. We know he's above us, but we can't see him yet. And he's hammering these bugles and everyone is just like a you know, like just crazy. And I'm telling you man, to all the listeners out there, if you ever get the opportunity to go on at elk hunt. It's gonna be brutal. That just depends on where you go. But it's like what we did. It's brutal, it's physical, it's it's a mental game. But if you get the opportunity to hear an elk bugle as close as we did, you will think about it every single day for the rest of your life. Dude, I'm telling you, it was a life changing event. It's it's so awesome, and right there, right in the middle of dance story, I'm gonna stop us and take a quick break to think. Our partners at Onyx, they're the makers of the Onyx Hunt app, which I've been mentioning each week for a while now, and I've been using each week for a while now. Now the hunting seas is kicked off, that's just gonna continue. I was using in Montana, as I told you about, while I was actually going in and out hunting and when I was tracking that buck. I'm going to be using it next week when I'm going to hunt elk in Montana. 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I could go on and on, needless to say, it's something worth checking out if you're interested in getting a membership or downloading some of their specific state maps. You can't get off using the promo code wired that's w I R E D. And you can get the Onyx Hunt app at your favorite mobile store, where you can learn more over at onyx maps dot com. So anyway, I'm so I hear some cracking, like so like he's up on his feet now or something. So I dropped. I kind of dropped down a little bit. So I'm way low and I'm trying to look under this dead fall, so I can't see Ryan anymore. But every time, every time Adam bugles or calls, this bowl is responding and he's bugling again, and like I said, it's a glorious thing. So so as Adams calling the next bugle sounded like it was further away, maybe he stood up or turned around, so I thought, oh my god, this you know, there's a herd of cows or something and he's heading heading off with the cows or whatever. And just as I thought that, Adam did one hell of a calling sequence, like break some sticks and break the tree and made a bugle and some cow calls, and he turned around and now I could look up and I could see the tops of his antlers. He was really close, still still responding with every bugle that h Ryan or excuse me that to Adam set out and I can see his the tops of his antlers. I could see part of his head, but that was it. And he's like he swaying them back and forth, almost like a moose does. It was weird. He just like really really uh, I don't know, like he was showing off to somebody almost yeah. Um, from what I could see, like every elk is huge to me, you know what I mean, it's and and plus it was really thick and nasty, so it's not like I had a perfect clear shot at him. So and then I could hear him stomping and pollen, so it was almost like he was freaking pissed, really really piste off. And something happened and all of a sudden, he just committed and it sounded like a car being pushed through the woods through the timber, just cracking and coming through. It wasn't even like he was trying to go around anything but straight through it. And then there was this moment of silence and I heard and I I knew that what that sound was, and that was Ryan uh letting an arrow go. Yeah, And so I put my arrow back quick in my quiver. I run up and there I see Ryan like looking back at me like he just seen a ghost type of deal, you know, like because he killed he killed an elk before, like six years ago with a rifle on a private ranch something you know, almost like shooting fishing a barrel type of thing, and he and Ryan was like, I hit him. I hit him. I'm like, did you hit him? Did you like I hit him? I hit him? And so we we we just kind of wait for Adam to come up, because Adam didn't know what happened. And I said, what which way did he run? He's like, he ran that way. But then I lost him. And remember this is some of the thickest, nastiest ship that I've ever witnessed, right, and so if you walk fifty yards ahead of someone, you're lost. So we I start whistling for Adam. Adam comes up, We kind of gather ourselves. We say, okay, where did you Where do you think you hit him? And Ryan goes, I think I hit him a little forward but high um to where I think I got high long. And I'm like, dude, if you got high long, man, we're in business, man, We're in business. And so we wait just like two minutes, three minutes, and then we start making our way to the impact where and this this was inside twenty yards where he had this shot, so probably closer to fifteen if I had to guess. But he hit him just a little bit high, he thought because I didn't I wasn't able to see the shot or the impact. Um. At once this once this elk came down the side of the mountain towards Ryan. I lost all all side of him and it was just my hearing from then on. And so we we kind of looking. We're looking on the ground. Nothing, We're looking on, you know, for some stumps. Nothing, and then Ryan finds a zero and it's broken off and total penetration. And this is generous, probably about four inches maybe less. So what we're thinking is we hit the shoulder and he was shooting a mechanical broadhead and it it hit it and it just stopped basically through the meat of the front shoulder, hit the hit the bone and just stopped right there. But we did our due diligence and we we we grid searched for minutes. No blood, no unturned like upturned soil or anything from where we could see him running. And long story short, that was the uh. That was Ryan's first archery shot at a at an elk. And um, there's nothing you say to a guy after that. You know, I could have sat there and be like, hey, sport, it's gonna be okay. You know, keep your head up ship like that. It's like you had an opportunity like that and he you just it didn't it didn't happen, right, So, so so we're talking about We're like, Ryan, what do you think this? What do you think this bowl? How big was he? And Ryan goes, I don't. I don't know too much about ELK, but I'm staying somewhere between two fifty and three. And then he starts to describe the characteristics and he said, all I know is I saw the end of one of his and they I guess they call him a whale tail. The whale tail, so I guess the whale tail is something that's predominant on six by six is so Adam thinks it was bigger than that. Um so maybe I don't know between three class bowl. So and from what I saw it it was it wasn't like hugely wide, but they were really tall from what I can see, or well kind of they flare back, I don't know. So from what I could see, so it was it was a good decent bowl and it just didn't happen. Sounds like a very exciting day, but that is that is the ultimate bummer. Yeah, absolutely. Now here's something that I was I knew I wasn't necessarily a shooter, but there was a chance that if this elp came around the other way, I would have had a shot on him. And for some reason, I was not fire it up like I would have been if I was deer hunting for some reason, like when that when that deer shows up and and you're I don't know, you're already you're you get buck fever, I guess, or you get that huge adrenaline dump like I know what's gonna happen, and I know I'm drawn back. I didn't get that. I was really clear, and that was strange to me. Do you think that was more because of the scenario, you know, outcutting different species, different place, or was it more because you knew that you were runner up? Well? I think a lot. I think a lot of it has has to do with I think for for deer hunting, you have a real low heart rate and then it goes to a real high heart rate. My heart rate was already up right from climbing up the mountain, so it's not like if I had an adrenaline rushed my heart was gonna do anything more than what it was already doing, you know what I mean. So I don't know. I just I was clear, I was ready, and I was focused. So that's nuts. I thought I was gonna be like losing my ship. Yeah, now that doesn't mean you couldn't lose your ship litter in the trip, possibly, right right right, So tell me what happens next. I'm gonna fast forward today three alright, So day two we go back to the same area. We hear two bugles, We chase them, nothing happens. We have an encounter with a calf. Uh, nobody takes a shot at it, just because you know, I mean, in in light of what just happened the day before, we felt like we had hit something right right, and then Adam had to head back into town, uh, to his house to meet someone for get internet set up in his new house. So me and Ryan were kind of on our own. We had our on X maps, we were, you know, looking at where we needed to go. Oh my god. We had a hike that went from ten to eleven one and it was straight up and it was literally one of the most punishing things and growing things I have ever physically done in my entire life. Period. I I don't know how many calories reburned, but it was I mean, I was losing my mind, climbing this like mental failure, getting mad, getting angry because we were going up the same dead fall, but we were up the same deadfall, but we were going at like a forty degree angle. Do you think this this one sucked? This watch that Ryan had that told you your exact elevation, do you think that was a blessing or curse? Because I could see it being a little scary or a little bit. Uh. Every time you actually look at that number, like, oh god, we've gone seven, we've gonet that much. Did that make misery more exaggerated? Uh? Not necessarily, because I wouldn't ask him until we were done with the punishment, right, I ever asked before, because whenever Adam said, hey, we just gotta pop up this ridge, like that's what someone who lives out there says. Uh. If I was up there and I was going to tell somebody what we had to do, I would look at him straight in the face and I would say, I'm going to try to kill you right now. So that's what that punishment was like. And we um, you know, we went back down the mountain. Uh we he went, he went home. We went kind of up a little bit up to a different drainage, worked our way down and uh man, I was beat after that day. Got up the next morning, got into the truck and we went to a completely different part of the mountain and we walked into this little secluded drainage slash meadow and it was one of the most beautiful things. Like the sun's coming up over the mountains and it's just beautiful, a light, there's some clouds the air, no bugles, but and this is a learning experience for me, and it's something that I made a mistake one time during this trip, and I didn't make it again. So you hike in and just your bass layers because you're sweating balls by the time you get to where you went. And I felt, hey, I'm still gonna be hot in twenty minutes or ten minutes. I'm just gonna sit here in my bass layers. And while Adams drops back, you know, drops back and calls, and I'm so now I'm up to bat first, right, So I get the I guess what you would call the favor favorable position, and we're looking across this drainage and it's like, oh, thirty yards from where I'm sitting to the opposite side, so it was kind of steep on both sides, so if something came out, you could you could shoot across the drainage at it. And I set up and I started getting cold, and my backpacks behind a tree, so I get out, and as I stand up and turn around, I hear something on the other side take off and run away. And I'm just like, I just screwed up, like a potential opportunity, because you know, we could hear elk across the drainage, like just working around in there, walking back and forth and stuff. And then I started shivering because I was cold, so I needed to go get some more layers on. So I stood up and walked around the tree and there must have been something close on the other side that busted me and it took off running fast. Forward about twenty more minutes and we all meet up back behind these trees, and all of a sudden, we hear something run off and we look and it's a cow had stuck up behind us. So our bows are all down on the ground and Ryan goes, oh, man, there's another there's another cow coming right at us. And it wasn't a cow, it was a bull. And if I thought that the bull on day one was huge, you could have put that bowls rack into this bulls rack. It was. And I feel I don't know shit about scoring, and I don't know anything, so I'm not going to try to say a score. But I've watched in my day a lot of YouTube videos and stuff, and I would put this elk up there with any other elk I've seen on TV. Uh. Just gigantic. And it it came in silent behind us, and we looked and I grabbed my bow and knock an arrow and I'm getting ready to draw and it runs away. It wasn't like I had a shot anyway, but it was one of those things where it's just like I got to see it. It's like it made eye contact with me. Was it was mind blowing lee huge. And again I'm from Iowa. I've seen now at this point in my life, I've seen two bowl elk somewhat close right in real life. So it could have been a three inch and the other one could have been a you know, a two fifty, but I know it was big and I was just jacked up about it, and like, so if that, if if it ended right there, I would call that a successful trip. But we had we had five more days to go. Unfortunately, this is where everything slows down, not another bugle. It got warm and the weather turned nice, and we bounced around every day and every day was just basically hiking and setting up on fresh sign and doing our due diligence and grinding and grinding and grinding, and unfortunately nothing happened. Yeah, it sounds like a pretty awesome trip though, those first few days, like you just said, makes for them for success, right right. I'm telling you, I'm telling you right now, I will go elk hunting every year for the rest of my life. Yeah. It gets in your blood. Yeah, it's ridiculous. It's fun. And it was not only the hardest thing I've ever had to do physically, but like I was better prepared mentally for this time because I remembered what that punishment breathing was like. So it was like I had time to prepare for So it's like I knew what I was getting into. Yeah. That helps that helps a lot. So long story short, dude, that's my that's my Colorado trip in a nutshell. It was long, but I'm glad that you've got that experience, though I felt so bad after our trip. I've been talking it up so much and telling me about how the year before was nuts and having those moments like you described, and it obviously didn't pan out for us on that one, but now you know, yeah, now you know it was nuts, dude. And I just it's one of those things where I've said it before and I'll say it again. I wish everybody has the opportunity to experience something like that, because white tail hunting is one thing, but when you have eight hundred pound animal, nine pound animal running around making the loudest noises you've ever heard, it's an experience in itself. Dude. Yeah, I'm glad we're having this conversation because I leave for an elk hunt next week. And I mean, I wasn't I'm not even really, at least not until now. I haven't been the extcited about it. I've been looking forward to whitetail stuff in October. I'm like playing all this stuff out and and I'm kind of overtraveled a little bit, so just kind of burnt out and kind of just wanted to spend some family time. You know, I was gone for the last eleven days and I'm home for like six, and I've just been thinking, Man, I wish I didn't schedule this trip right after that. I really would just like, you know, two, three, four weeks at home instead of six days. But um, all that aside, you did give me a new bump of excitement for that that bugle and that bugle and fest that hopefully I'll be experiencing here next week. So thank you for that. I'll tell you though, it was tough. You know, I hadn't been on a big, big trip like this, Like I've been to the A T a show that's like basically a three day event. But I was gone a total of let's see, I left on the thirty first and I got back on the it would have been the eight So I was gone eight days from my family, and it's it sucked. I mean, I'm not gonna lie at man. I didn't. I wouldn't say I got homesick, but I missed my kids and I missed my wife. So being able to come home and see them again was that's very enjoyable. Yeah, yeah, I could definitely relate to you more on that now on this trip, and definitely was feeling that it was different knowing that Everett was back home and not, you know, just not being a part of the daily life with him. And I loved getting pictures and videos and stuff that my wife was sending. But then that also is just like I just want to be there. Um. So it's definitely different, and and like I said, I'm not looking forward to leaving again right away. But but that's my elk hunt. I want to know a little bit about this North Dakota trip because you were obviously your successful in Montana and you crossed the border. What happened? Yeah, so I had that great hunt in Montana. And sorry that we're not getting to talk about it at all, um, but you know we already talked about with further and Spencer. Anything you need to know that you don't know about that that we should cover in two minutes. Here, are you good? Well, I'll just ask you for the coordinates after recording. Yeah, how much you got in your savings account, dance. We might be able to negotiate something, okay, we will not be able to negotiate something, okay. So I killed my Blucome Montana. Um, I'm driving towards North Dakota on that first day and I actually get kind of sick in the car. Or maybe maybe it was more that was really exhausted. Um, I think at that point I was just not feeling great. He end I had to get a podcast up and do all this kind of stuff and long story shore, I'm like, you know what, I'm not gonna get to camp tonight. I'm just gonna get in a hotel room. I'm gonna get this work done. I'm gonna shower. You know, it's all bloody and gross after having gutted and recovered that deer that day. So yeah, I get to the hotel room, ended up like getting like nauseous and horrible headache and like pass out like eight thirty that night in the hotel. Next day, get up, get some more work done, start driving in North Dakota. I don't end up getting to our spot in North Dakota util that evening at like six o'clock in the evening, so I can't hunt that night. Um, Josh is out hunting. So I decided I'm just gonna get out there and get up on one of these big bluffs that overlooks this river bottom that we're hunting, and see what I could see, just try to get eyes on something. Because Josh had been there hunting for three days and up to this point he had not seen hardly anything. He had seen I think one year and a half old buck and a handful of dose every day. And he then had been he had been up on the on the hills glassing in them warnings, trying to see, like we're all these deer and was not seeing the number of deer that we were expecting. But he was seeing some other hunters. Um, there was there wasn't any other white tail hunters, but there was guys out there chasing you know, other western species, mules whatever. Um. Now, Charlie interrupt, but this is the same area that you guys went shed hunting at the spring. Yes, we found we found a good number of sheds in there, and we scouted it and we saw a good sign um. So it looked really good, like we had really high hopes for the spot. Um. But Josh's time there was not showing anything good. I show up, I sit in this butte I started glassing. I don't see crap. I just see a couple of does, and I can see like a mile in either direction. I mean, I can cover a big chunk of ground that there. You should be seeing deer coming out crossing this river, coming out into some of these openings, moving in around the Cottonwood groves. Nothing, so that's concerning. That night, we regrouped. Josh hardly saw anything again that night. The next morning I'm like, all right, well, I'm not just gonna go sit blindly in an area where we're not seeing anything. We need to we need to keep learning, we need to find these deers. So the next morning again I go to another spot, try to glass that again, don't see anything. So after like an hour, I screwed out of there and I start driving rhads trying to see are there any deer in any these Are there some private land fields that are pulling all the deer? What's going on? Drive around, drive around, hardly anything at all. So we get back to camp. Now this is like Josh's day four, I think, and you know, we're kind of at a loss. He's not seeing a deer. These two scouting sessions are showing really really poor numbers. Still haven't seen a single mature buck and we're down to two days left too, and hap days left or whatever. Um So, finally that you know, we're sitting there midday and I kind of had this idea pop in my head. You know, why, what are we doing in this kind of area. It's not like hunting in Michigan or Aisole where there's tons of cover and you obviously wouldn't see these but sucks if there were deer in this area. I was pretty confident that we should see some side of them, like there should be deer moving. There's not down on the river bottoms. There weren't a bunch of hunters, so I didn't think these deer were crazy over pressured if they were in there. Um So I throughout the ideas. Okay, we instead of wasting our time here where we've not gotten a single indication of there being a deer we actually want to hunt and shoot. Over the last four or five days or whatever however long Josh had been there, plus since I was there, what if we relocate, What if we spend Yeah, we're sacrificing some sits, but what if we just keep looking until we actually find a deer we want to shoot and then make a move on those deer. Right now, we're not seeing anything that there really is indicative of of worthwhile time spend the treats, you know, actually trying to fill tagg at least. So I had seen some other public land a couple hours north of here. Then it looked really good in the maps in the past. I've never been there, but it looked good, and there was a lot of food. It looked like food sources fields that was on the public land. Or jay us into that public land. I thought, you know, that's that's the kind of stuff that's kind of give me this time year. At least it is like a much more sure sign um than what we had here. There was no food by where we're hunting in this spot. Um, So I thought, let's go back to the well. I know, this is like a tried and true strategy that's worked for me. It worked for me in Montana. Find public land betting that's close to private land food, get up in there, um and and try to get eyes on something that says, yes, there are deer here, and then hunt the public behind him. So so, after mulling it over for a little bit, we finally decided, you know, let's swing for the fences. Let's try it, and we would only have we were going to drive up there that night and have that night and the next morning to do some scouting, and then we would hunt the next night and next morning, and then we had to go. Yeah, so we do the drive, We get up there, we have an hour to drive around that night, drive around the back roads around this public land. It looks really good, and I end up finding a field with a whole bunch of deer in it that's on public land. And I get my spotting scope out and I see a couple pretty bus that possibly would be a shooter for me, for sure be a shooter for josh Um. So I'm like, all right, bingo, this is exactly what I wanted to see. We've got a huntable area with huntable deer um, and you know, you know, we've actually got something to work with here versus what we had before. So I felt great about that. The next day we went in, scouted another area in the morning, and hung stands midday for the next morning. Really cool stuff. But the most interesting and important stuff happened that night. We go and sneak into that spot where I saw those bucks. We had a pretty good wind, what looked like it's gonna be pretty good wind for this spot. I had seen most of this deer come out of kind of this inside corner of this field, and and they're feeding out within sight of a road in daylight, which was interesting. I mean, it told me that they weren't getting hunted. So I felt pretty good about our chances going into the next day. They probably do something pretty similar, since they didn't seem like they were, you know, particularly worried about hunters, and this was almost a weekend to the season there. Um, So I put Josh. I told Josh, you know, if you want, I'd probably recommend the best spout would be the inside corner whemost those deer came out, so he snuck in there with a stand. I went to another area farther down the field where I had seen some of these deer feeding. There weren't any trees, there's grass and brush. Um, but I thought, I'll just tuck in that brush, sit in the ground, and hopefully watch Josh you a deer if something gets past him, or if something pops on a different spot, I'll back clean up down here. And the basically gist of that night is that it went almost exactly like I thought it was going to. These deer started popping out in that field really early, like two or three hours before dark. They were very comfortable. Um. It seemed like the main thing they were feeding in this field there's some kind of weed that I'm not familiar with, though it was, but it looks like they had also just planted some kind of cover crop, maybe turnips or radishes or something that were just starting to come out of the ground. And um, I think that was probably what they're feeding on, because I know, you know, those those fresh turnip greens or ratis screens or whatever, that stuff sometimes can be really attractive right now, Um, so I think that's what they're keying in on. These deers start piling out. We've seen a bunch of does. I have a buck come out close to me that it's like a nice two year old. He's feeding around, and then that wind shifts completely around like on a dime, spins around, blows right back into the cover that we're thinking all these deer better than all these deers start spooking. I'm here deer blowing behind me. There was a buck that circled around me. He disappears. The deer that were out in the field near Josh went and go taken off, and we're sitting there with like an hour of daylight left, just defeated, Like, man, this was setting up perfect. We had made this, you know, we took this risk, we got to this new spot. It was working out perfectly. I was thinking like, oh man, this is amazing. It's gonna work out. And the wind kind of ruined it. But as daylight continues, somehow more deer start showing up now with the new wind even and here comes a buck. Here comes a buck. Here comes six does, here comes eight does? Here comes another buck. And while there's this like decent ish buck kind of near me that I'm watching, I get a text from Josh saying, I gotta shoot her. It sixty yards or something I can't get a shot at, you know, really nice. What was at least a three year old maybe older buck had come out just out of range from fifty yards out in front of him, but you know, passing through some thick stuff and then moved out into the field at like sixty or seventy. I think it was a big eight pointer, but a split brow time I think, is what he said. And so he had that big buck up in front of like sixty yards for a long time, never came any closer. He started moving off than another nice buck came popping out, but at seventy um, so we found this little honey hoole spot Josh was just you know, ten fifteen yards off where you know it would have worked out. He got some serious buck fever. He had a you know, like an awesome and adrenalin rush. He was telling me about it afterwards that you know that that's an awesome feeling to get that first buck fever of the year. Um. So it made the trip all worth it, I think, just with that, like just to have a fun encounter, just so you could see some deer, because it had been really slow going from up to that point. So I felt really good about it because you know, I just wanted him to have a good time. At this point, I was feeling, you know, it was all gravy for me. Society already filled my tag. But that was a fun night close encounters. Next morning, we went into this spot that we had hunted, that we had set up the day before, and this was again this was like a we're just swinging for the fences. We knew it's early season, we've never been here before, but we decided we we would almost try like a bumping dump type thing. We're just gonna plow right into the thickest best looking like betting, knowing that we're gonna blow anything out of there as we go into there, set the stand and just pray that maybe we could catch them coming back the very next morning, the one time they come back in before getting all you know, boogered out of there. Um. It did not work, but there weren't many better options for that morning set, so we tried that. That That didn't working, and that was it. That was the North Dakota trip. It was, you know, a day of it was me recovering, a day of it was almost two days it was scouting around trying to find here, and then a day and a half of it was actually hunting. But I'm glad we I'm glad that we spent more time to find those deer versus sitting in a tree and seeing a dough and night in the same spot where we were before, just because we didn't want to try something new. So it was cool, you know, it was cool. Just to be out there, and that was that first kind of trip for for further um. So I think he learned a lot from it, and I think it was just a good experience for him too. And wait, a good time. So that was North Dakota and I got back here to Michigan and just trying to get a bunch of stuff done here in my six days. I've got before the elk hunt, um that archery yep archery Montana, and before I continue discussing my last few things I've been up to here in Michigan before that Montana trip, I want to quit break for our last break of this episode, to hear from our friends at White Tail Properties. This week. With white Tail Properties, we are drawn by Jeff Probes and lands Specialists out of Missouri, and Jeff is going to be talking to us about getting started filming your own hunts. Well, I've filmed personally, my son and I did for a long time. I was involved in it for over twenty years. My son and I filmed together for about fifteen years and uh pretty much retired from it now. But I guess the first thing is is don't skimp, skimp on your equipment. If you're wanting to, particularly if you're wanting to try to do something on a professional level, get good quality equipment, obviously high definition cameras. The cameras have changed so much since we were in it. I mean they've got these small little handheld cameras now that take just about as good a quality footage as the old big cameras we used to carry. And um, you know, get good quality footage and get a good mike. Don't go with an onboard mic on this on the cameras that come with the buy a shotgun mike of good quality. Spend the money, do it right. Use a tree arm when you're in a tree to get nice, smooth, steady pans. And when you're on the ground if it's if it's feasibly, use a tripod. Just keep your footage nice and steady, whether you're in a tree or on the ground. But the big thing is to don't skimp on equipment. By good stuff and it'll show with your footage. The quality will show through. If you'd like to learn more and to see the properties that Jeff currently has listed for sale, visit white tail properties dot com. Backslash propes that's p r O p s t um and Uh. I went to that new property I've got permission on the west side of the state today and hung four stands. Um. It's very last minute, much later than I usually like to. But the guy that's out there, um, that's aweso on this property. He is kind of putsing around a lot of time, checking it out on a on like a gator or like a UTV kind of deal. So he, you know, it's kind of believes that these deer are pretty comfortable with his presence on that as often as he goes through there, so we kind of use that to mask us, you know, getting a tree stand hunk. So we went in there with that thing just like he usually does. Left that going hung the stands, got out of there, so, you know, not that much, rarely be getting it done a month ago, but it is what it is. Better to have something going than not. Um, So it's good to get that work done. And you know, back here on the on the main spot, the holy field spot, I've got no good news. There no pictures of him. Um. I checked one camera and that back food plot where that camera was. The plot is like a dirt field. I don't know what happened, but Braskas aren't coming in like they usually do, so that was a bust and that's kind of where I'm at. Yeah, Yeah, I got October One's a Sunday this year, so I don't even know if I'm gonna hunt or not, but um, I think I'm going to. Whether it's gonna be around home or back back at the main farm, it's uh, you know, I'm a firm believer of stay out of the timber in September. So I got trail cameras that I've only checked one time this entire summer, and it pisses me off just a little bit that I haven't had the time to go do it. But hopefully that translates into just less pressure on the farm. So we will see. I probably won't check my you know, unless I maybe go down there at some time at some point. I don't think I'm gonna be checking my trail cameras until that first week of first week of October. Yeah, probably, like you said, probably a good thing. I've definitely laid off checking summer cameras significantly. Um. I think I checked cameras once I put cameras out beIN of August. Check him once. Just but just like the deer shift, man, I always try to get like the last week in August, take my trail cameras off of my mineral stations and put them in pinch points and put them in fence crossings and you know, historically good places where maybe a scrape or two might pop up. But I haven't done that, so I'm gonna be a little bit behind. I should still be able to go do it before the rut hits, but you know, I don't know. Man. Yeah, that's a good point, and I'm not necessarily worried about it. It's just the fact that I won't have like my typical September data that I like to have, you know, once that once the deer go hard horn, they have that shift, and I like to catch that shift on trail camera. However, this year I seems like I won't. I won't have that. Yeah, I got more bad news for you. Oh, October one is on a Monday. It's on a Monday. It's on a Monday. I love my calendar. Well, son of a gun, H want to take the day off? No, dude, here's the thing, here's the just the green light way to get out of a day at work. You call in and you tell your boss diarrhea, you have explosive diarrhea. They will they will not question it. They will just try to get off the phone as quickly as possible and you'll be golden. Yeah, summon that up. Eat some chili the night before, so you don't need to lie about it. Boss listens to this. Dude, I wish no he does. Really, Yeah, your boss is a deer hunt. Yeah, dude, he he has. He bought this, uh farm out in the country. This is just a real short story. He bought this farm out in the country and every year he's had a boot and crockett on it. And his first buck he's ever shot with a bow is like a one high one fifties did you Iowa, guys, it's not even right. Yep, Wow, this is amazing. So wow something like that. So so he hears all the stuff you talk about and he still keeps you hired. Well, it's not like a trash trash anybody you know, Uh, the cubical life. It can get to a guy. Yeah, yeah, I can. Well, hello to Dan's boss. Thanks for being a fan. Okay, Well, we've kind of ramble on about our hunts. I've got one listener question that I want us to tackle here before we wrap up to his quick show. YEP, this comes from Jake in Arlington, Virginia. He says that he uh, I'll just quote I went to a Washington Nationals game yesterday with my wife and got into conversation about walk up songs before the batter goes up to hit. I'd love to hear what you and Dan talk about, or what you would talk about as far as walk up songs to when you're going hunting, and if that would change throughout the year, Like would you have a different walkout song for the early season, for the rut versus the late season, um et cetera. So if you could have a walkout song as your head into the stand, what would that be? Dan? Alright, So first I gotta say something. Fred Bear by Ted Nugent. In my opinion, it's not a good let's get ready for hunting song. Sorry, I probably pissed a lot of people off. I don't care. Second, it's a classic though many I don't care if it's a classic. Yeah, yeah, it's a classic. Because what it's the only song that we're like they talk about hunting and it's called fred Bear. I'm sorry, I'm not. I don't feel it. I don't feel it. So anyway, so what's your better alternative? So I'm not I'm not the guy who's like, you know, like metal is out for me, Country Western it mostly is out. I want some like really mel Low Tiptoe and type stuff. So this, this isn't what you listen to. This is the song that would play as you triumphantly head to your stand, as if you were walking to the plate. Yes. Yes, And when I'm heading to the plate to the tree stand, I'm not looking at headbang. I'm not looking to get crazy fired up. I'm what I'm ready to get focused, all right. So one song that comes to mind Neil Young Cortez The Killer. I don't know if I know that one off top of my head. Yeah, because it was made probably before your dad was born. Okay, So Neil Young Cortez The Killer for there um anything off the album? What what album is? It's the Black Keys, uh, and it's the album Um Brothers. So I like that whole album. So those are just two examples of just something like some bam bam bam dada Da Da Da, Bum Bump Bob and then the most inspiring music ever, just like some real laid back chill music. You know, it's not let me guess you're gonna be like blow sticks and ship on the way to stand. Now, that's like my everyday life, man, I got yeah, I gotta, I gotta change it up for the tree stand. But basically my walk up song to my office every day would be UM. But yes you as you know, and as many people past listeners know, I like some good e d M, dance and techno music. That's like my pre hunt truck drive music that I listen to. UM. But I think for my walkout song, I would have to steal a page out of the book of my alma mater and play the song that they play when the football team runs out into the field, because like just that moment for me in college, like every time that happened, when the players come out and they play this song, it just gets me so amped up. And that is thunderstruck by a C. D. C um That song headed walking up to the walking up to the plate would get me fired up and ready for a cold front on November four, So I think that would have to be my pick, but I'll try Cortez the Killer, Quartets the Cornado or whatever things calling me Neil Young and the song is Cortez the Killer. Okay, I'll give that a try and when we'll see how that works for me. Well, good luck with that, um, thanks man. Um. All right, well, uh dude, awesome elk hunt. I'm happy it was fun, um, And I don't know if we'll be if I'm gonna be able to record one, let's try to record one before my elk hunt next week. Um, but if not, hopefully have a story on that soon. So that's it for me, buddy, and that's it for the show too, So thank you for listening. Um. My usual couple of reminders, make sure you're subscribe to the podcast. Make sure you are subscribed to the wire Unting YouTube channel. I got the video of my last day hunting in Montana up on there, so you can see that whole hunt. Check that out, get a leg it would subscribe. I would appreciate that so much. And otherwise, you know, the one other thing I mean to mention is that Dan actually did a full three part series about his elk hunt, and I believe it was it was with Adam and Ryan, the guys he hunted with. He did that over on the nine Fingure Chronicles podcast, so if you want more details about that, be sure check out his podcast there. Otherwise, stay tuned for more. It's gonna be exciting a few weeks coming up here with ELK and the Michigan season kicking off the Iowa season kicking off for Dan, so hopefully we'll have some good stories for you on that front as well. Until next time, I guess I will just leave you by saying thank you again, good luck on your seasons as well, and stay Wired to Hunt. M h

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