00:00:01 Speaker 1: Welcome to Wired to Hunts rut Fresh Radio bringing you the latest reports from the white tailed woods and now your host Spencer new Hearth. This is Wired to Haunts the rout Fresh Radio and I'm your host Spencer new Hearth. This week we're talking about precipitation and white tales. Welcome to Wired to Hunt's rout Fresh Radio. I'm your host, Spencer new Hearth and joined by Mark Kenyon again this week. And Mark, I know you were a mentor this last weekend on the Back forties field, the four hunt that is done by n d A. Mark. Tell us about that haunt. Did you have any deer on the ground and what was the movement like? Yeah, it was, it was a heck of a good time. This as a slight remember we after the whole Back forty show and that whole project, we donated the farm to the National Deer Association so that they could host new hunter events like this, so they could bring folks out in the summer and teach them about dear behavior and wildlife habitat and all that kind of stuff. And then during hunting season have a place where these people can go out there and see deer and have the opportunity to get shot opportunities and learn how to gut a deer and track a deer and all that kind of stuff. So this is the first hunt that we've got to host on the farm as a part of that program. And like you said, I got to mentor and it was it was really really cool. We had ten new hunters and those hunters were each paired with the mentor, and then we split them up over a couple of different properties. So some of the hunters were in the back forty, some of the hunters were on some other private properties that we had access to um from different volunteers and stuff like that. So we had three hunters, uh this weekend on the back for itself. I was with one of them, and we had a lot of great action. Um let me see here three deer. We got shots at three deer and one of those was a miss. But one of the hunter, of the hunter I was mentoring, actually killed two killed one the first night and killed one the second morning. So he got his first and second deer in the same weekend. Uh, and he was just absolutely ecstatic. We had a really awesome opportunity and got to you know, teach him how to gut a deer, how to track a deer, and then the second deer he got the next morning, we brought back and had the other two hunters that were out there, um, showed them how to gut it and let them actually you know, try it themselves too. So on the back forty we had a couple of different gutting demonstrations and a lot of great just back and forth teaching moments and across all the other farms. So I can't remember how many other properties, two or three other properties, there was a total of eight deer killed. So so seven new hunters killed their first deer and one of those hunters kill too. So um, it was awesome event and just a really cool opportunity to see that whole back forty project come full circle. So I was. I was a very happy mentor this past weekend getting to see see such a cool thing happening. So that's the high level story. We're gonna eventually gonna do a full podcast about it with with a couple of those new hunters and we'll share all the nitty gritty details, but at a high level, it was great. The dude that went back to back kills, he's gonna be a mentor. Before long, he's gonna take your job there. I know, we were actually joking with him that after he after he had so so much success this time around next year, he's gonna pay it forward. So we're gonna we're gonna rope him into it someday. So what about for the buck movement though that you saw? Was there anything of note that happened during those hunts? Yeah, you know a lot of hunters saw bucks, and that was not a good thing in this case because this was actually an early antlerless only season, so we were all out or you could only shoot does um so on. On the back forty there were a couple hunts where there were bucks in range that you couldn't shoot, including a nice one like a really good buck came out for one of the new hunters out of the honey Hoole or heading into the honey Hoole. I think it was. I wasn't sitting there at that one, and uh, they couldn't take them. So there was some deer movement. It was late. A lot of the deer movement was you know, last hour daylight because it's been pretty warm here in Michigan. Um but you know I would call you know, I know you didn't ask me yet, but if I had to write deer activity on a scale one to ten, recently here in Michigan, it's been like a you know, like a four and a half to five. There's that good evening movement and a good little bit of movement there first thing in the morning, but pretty warm temperature is nothing out of the ordinary. UM. I did see one mature buck out scouting last week. I don't know, I would have been Thursday or Friday night. I saw a good buck, actually, one of the bucks I'm after outfeeding in a food plot just probably the last twenty minutes of daily so they're they're around Now's something that wouldn't have been a factor during your haunts there on the back forty this last weekend, but will be a factor for basically the white tails entire range for probably like these next five days. Is that a lot of the country is going to be getting rain at some point between like now, UM and the next time we record an episode of Rod Fresh Radio. In the past, Mark, I think in nineteen you wrote an article for the website about should you deer hunt in the rain? UM? And you talked about all the considerations that go into one of those haunts. Go over that with us right now about what hunters should be thinking about when it's raining and they want to get in the woods. Um, based on deer movement and then other considerations. Yeah, So I was just looking at our forecast in Michigan and in our season is not open right now since that at this one's done, but we've got rain in the forecast for the next five days straight. So I'm sure some of those others dates around me that are open, I're going to see some of that. And I tend to look at rain is generally a good thing for deer movement. Lots of times changes in precipitation also lead to changes in temperature, lead to changes in barre, metric pressure, all that kind of stuff, and in general it seems like those changes just give you a little boost in movement one way or another. Um. So, yeah, when it comes to rain, I'm not anti rain. I'm not bummed out when I see rain the forecast, UM. But I am thinking about a couple of things differently. One thing is that if you have like a light drizzle or intermittent rain where it comes down hard for a while, but then opens up and clears up for an hour or two. Those are situations I really like. I've seen a lot of good movement during those types of periods. UM. I know. John Eberhardt is a guy that is writing some stuff for us for Wired Hunting Now, and he's someone who has preached the importance of hunting during the rain because there's those time periods like I just discussed where they can really get on their feet and move a lot and a lot of hunters we'll just avoid the rain entirely and not be out there for those moments, those breaks or those slow drizzly periods when you know deer want to stretch the legs, get up and start feeding again, especially if it's been a longer rain event, like if it's been a a thunderstorm downpour like crazy for hours and hours and hours on end, or like all night or whatever, it might be as soon as that slows down or stops and they get that first break, man, those deer really gonna get after it. So I like that. UM. On the flip side, as I just alluded to, when you have like a storm storm that will usually put most deer down. UM, so you know, I'm gonna try to be out there hunting in most rainy situations, either because it's slow enough that they could be moving right now, or because I want to make sure I don't miss, you know, that moment when it does stop and all the deer start moving. I don't want to be walking out right when it stops and spook those deer. I'd rather be sitting and ready. Um. The one other thing though, that you need to think about is how rain can impact, you know, recovering a deer. If you shoot a deer during the rain, can you blood trailer? Can you recover that deer? And that's you know, that's a real consideration. Um. Blood trails can get washed away with rain, and you need to be really really sure that you're gonna be in a situation where that doesn't happen you and you can't recover a deer. So so my take on that is twofold number one. If I'm hunting in a situation where there's some light rain, um, you know, but I think I'll still be able to keep on a blood trail. My big thing is really really limiting my shots. So I'm I don't know, I shoot I would shoot out to four yards for a white tail. That's myself, my lion in the sand. That's my max range that I'm gonna shoot a deer at on a good day. If it's a rainy day like your light, drizzly day, and them out there and I know there's this possibility that there's gonna be some rain coming in, I'll shrink that range dramatically. So I might shrink that range down to twenty yards. So I'm only going to take that shot, um, if it's the easiest of easy shots, because I don't want to have even the slightest chance of a long, tough blood trail. So I'm only gonna take those absolute gimmes on a rainy day so that I don't risk shooting a deer that I can't track. I want a deer that I know I'm gonna double long, no questions asked, and that deer is gonna be dead in fifty yards or eight yards or something, and hopefully I'll see see him keel over something. Um. The second thing, though, is that even if you think that's the case, occasionally do you go further than you expect? Um, things don't go quite as planned. So what I have made sure to do is if tracking dogs are legal in your state, just make sure you know someone or know how to find the phone number for someone, or have that in your back pocket so that worst case scenario, god forbid, the shot doesn't go you want to and and then again somehow you can't track it with the blood, you've got a dog who can help you out. And those dogs can track really well in those rain situations. They can dell smell just fine, even if the blood trail is washed away. You know, from what I understand, these dogs are really tracking the smell of a of a specific footprint. Um So in many cases, the rain the moisture actually helps their noses. So that's not possible in all states, but where it is, it's a huge tool. Um If that's not legal in your state and it's an absolute downpour and you're worried about you know, you won't be able to see blood and you don't have that backup plan, then those cases, you know, probably don't hunt, because if you can't recover the deer, you shouldn't be out there shooting at them. Um So you've got to consider a bunch of those different circumstances. I've in most cases been able to make sure that I feel comfortable being out there and have backups and plans to make sure that doesn't happen, and it hasn't been a problem yet. But um, it's a very long winded way of saying, yes, you should probably hunt, but be careful. It's right And as as you were talking about, I was checking forecast for around the country and that is going to be something relevant for basically any white tailor. Um, like you said, in these next five days, it's not just Michigan. Much of the white tails range is going to have some storms coming up here. The other hunters that we hear from this week are Alex Comstock in Minnesota, Great Drummond in Florida, Keith Thompson in Montana, and then Tony Peterson in Wisconsin. And then, as we have been doing mark with our other intros, we're gonna close it out with some reading materials if you want even more about white tail movement. Right now at the end of September, we have four articles that suggests you check out. One of them is from Beau Martonic. It is the best food Sources for Big Woods white tails. Basically bow breaks down three food items that can be found uh anywhere in the country where they are white tails living in timber. And then how to Kill a Buck in High Wind by Tony Peterson. Tony talks about what GPS college studies tell us about buck movement high wind and where specifically that movement is taking place. And then why September is the best month to hunt scrapes from Tony Hansen. Most hunters don't turn their attention to scrapes until October, but Tony talks about why he thinks these next couple of weeks could be the best time to haunt them. And then finally, should you deer haunt in Rain the article that you wrote in which goes into greater detail about all of those talking points that you just had. Yeah, I really like that September scrape one by Tony Hansen. I thought that was He's got a really interesting angle there that I don't know if I ever really thought about. That's I think everyone should go read that one. If you've got some September haunts coming up, I think you should think about Tony's idea there, So check that one out for sure. Yeah, And when I got done, I was like, you know, what he is right. Um, Like, I don't know that September is the best month, but it does make a lot of sense to focus on scrapes right now. Or if if you're just putting a setup up to haunt this weekend, like throw down a mock scrape and then monitor that mock scrape for the next couple of weeks, and it might even like be something that is a difference maker in in one of those haunts or the haunt from that night. Um, scrapes are are a great thing to focus on right now. Yeah, it was unique perspective and interesting for sure. Alright, Mark, I'm going to talk to you next week. Let's get to these interviews. Sounds good, alright, And joining us on the line first is Alex Comstock from Whitetail DNA in Minnesota. Now, Alex in Minnesota, what would you say the Buck activity has been lately on a scale of one to ten, Yeah, I'd say it's probably been about a seven. Um only hunted really opening day here, But me and my buddy were sitting together and we're able to put down our top target Bucks opening night. So it's just based off that. I'm gonna go ahead and give it a seven. Tell me about that hunt, why you guys were in that area and why that buck was in that area. Yeah, it's a it's a really good funneling spot with you know, there's some apple trees around and whatnot that are you know pretty much where he gets to at night. And we pretty much knew where he was betted at least had a good hunch based on a lot of traill camera intel from last fall on this summer, and uh, he had been semi regular, had been daylight on cell camp multiple time this past week, and uh, we thought we had a really good chance to hunt them openy night and actually hadn't even hungerstand yet. So we went in hunger stand and about two hours later he walked by at fifteen yards and we're able to kill them. Where are you running a lot of your trail cameras this time of year. I've got either my cameras in Minnesota just on either mock scrapes, you know, intersection new trails, or you know, I'm trying to focus on food sources like you know, oaks and make corns are starting to drop, apple trees if I've got on stuff like that, And have you seen a lot of bucks hitting your mock scrape or real scrapes that you find in the woods. Right now there, it seems like they're starting to a little more at least, you know, not necessarily scrape in the ground much. But the nice thing is for me, a lot of the areas that I hunt, I've hunted, you know, year after year, and I kind of know these established areas, so I can I know where the licking branches are, and you know they're they're definitely hitting licking branches. And I've got you know, this buck in particular that we were able to put down is has hit this scrape, you know, just with the licking branches, you know, multiple time times even since August. So and you said that you found this bucks bed. Tell me about when you found that bucks bed and how you knew that he was using it. So we we've pretty much had his bedding area pinned down for last ball. We had ran ran a couple of cameras in the area, um but it was one of those deals where we weren't didn't have cell cams in the area last year, and so we checked them late in October and he had been all over it in daylight in September October. I mean all times of the day and that time of year. If I'm getting a buck, you know, in daylight that much during the during the day, I know he's bed and very close. And so that kind of led us to hunt where we did this year and how deep in the timber were you for this setup? We were not very far off. I mean we're pretty much in town and so we were I don't know, i'd say hundred yards off the road? Was this book or other bucks he've been seeing still hanging out in bachelor groups served they've broken up at this point, he you know, we I've got quite a few bachelor groups still hanging out together at he signed camera. Um. But this buck had been solo, and it's funny because he had been solo all summer, so he was all by himself. And when we kind of caught a glimpse of the Nileys coming to the woods, you know, he had pretty distinct rack and a flyer point coming off the sheet two. So we knew right away it was him, and he was the only year we actually saw. But we Garrett, my buddy Garret, who actually want to shot him, put an arrow, throw them you know, was still about over an hour left of daylight, So who knows what would have you know, moved through had we sat there till dark If it didn't work out for you on the opening haunt, did you have some morning hunts planned to get this buck? And what do those look like in mid September for you in Minnesota? You know, not for this buck, hunting in the morning wasn't really going to be in the car just based on the way he was his travel patterns. But we've got a couple other bucks that we're gonna be hard after and actually our top target buck. Um, I think my best chance is going to be in the morning because the week coming up here. Um, I've got a really good idea on where he beds, but his pattern isn't very consistent on how he comes back to it. But I kind of have an idea of where his endpoint is, which is where his bettering areas. So I'm going to jump in. Um. Actually, you know what, I don't know this goes live but tomorrow morning and uh go in after him and get trying to be set up very close to his bettering area, you know, at least an hour before for shooting light what food sources are relevant right now for white tailors in that part of the country. The biggest things I'm focusing on is acorns and apple trees if I've got them, um, But there's so much natural brows out there as well that it can be kind of hard to pin down exactly where they're feeding right now. If you don't have you know, any type of agg or food or food plots or anything like that going forward. Then in the next week or so, what do you think that Bucket TV is going to be on a scale of one to ten in Minnesota? I think where I'm up here in the northern part of the state, it's gonna gonna be around at six or seven at least. I hope we've got um opening day was great, and then the second day of season that Sunday and Monday, it's been real hot rain thunderstorms, and then uh, it's supposed to cool off over twenty degrees starting the rest of the week here, and so I've got really high hopes of of UH having some good buck activity this week. All right, Alex, Well, this episode is going to be coming out after your haunt for that target buck you were talking about, UM, so I hope it works out for you, and he called your shot. Good luck at the rest of your season. Alex, thanks for joining me all right, appreciate it. Thanks Spencer all right and joining us on the line. Next is Gray Drummond from Florida Outdoor Experience in Florida. Now, Gray in Florida, what would you say the buck activity has been lately on a scale of one to ten in our region? I would say it's been about a five right now. Um we are and um, we haven't even started our pre rut. Um we're still we're dealing with up for eighties ninety degree weather. Um. So, yeah, it's been tough. Funny now, Florida has a unique white tail herd. And then you have different phases that rout happening all over. Tell us about what those are right now in different parts of this date. Yeah, Florida is to my knowledge the only state that you can actually um find a rut going on between many starting in July, which is South Florida, all the way into February, which would be up in the Panhandle. Um my zone, I'm in Zone See, which is north central Florida on the west coast. Um generally our rut kicks in first part of October, give or take a week. Um it in our boath season in my particular zone just opened up this past Saturday, so we we just got in the woods. We're not seeing a lot of sign yet, but I've got a feeling that it will turn on. I happened to get lucky enough and um took a nice nine point Saturday morning and this tarsel glands were pretty well pretty much still blonde. To be honest with you, how do your setups right now in that area look different in the morning versus the evening for hunts, Boy, I tell you, in Florida, there's just right now, with the humidity and whatnot, there's no concealing your scent. Um, So we're just playing the win looking game. Trails. We've had a record amounts of rain this year. A majority of the woods in our area flooded out. I actually had to take a duck boat to get to my standum, which creates uh. With the flooding, it creates little oak islands, high grounds, and we're concentrating on some of these higher grounds right now. Um. A few acres are starting to drop, but again there's still about a month away from that really being a good food source. We just had so much brows right now. Um, your your best luck is to find some game trails and target those. You mentioned that it's been in the eighties and nineties and very muggy lately. What does the cold front look like for you? What is a temp drop that gets you excited for dear movement in Florida? Um? Well, in both season, if we are lucky enough to get anywhere down in the low sixties, I'm I'm very excited. Um. We where I'm at, we do. This will make some of my northern friends laugh, but we we do have somewhat of a winter. Um. It's not uncommon in December January for temperatures to dip down into the lower thirties, upper twenties. However, it doesn't stay down there that long. So you know that that gets me excited. But this time of year, anything in the sixties, UM, really gets me excited. It turns me on. I'm like, I'll be in the woods. I'll drop whatever I'm doing and get out there. What are some food sources that are relevant for deer movement right now in Florida? Um, Florida has because of our moderate temperatures um all over uh, you know with it allows for a lot of um farming to take place. We have a large crow year, so there's a lot of agriculture that's around. Um, a lot of our native brows were just focusing on. It's really unless you're gonna put corn out right now, which is which is legal in Florida. Corn feeders. Um, you know you're really going to just uh have to focus on these food for these um deer trails, and uh, there's just so much brows. It's hard to target a food source unless you have something planted or or or using corn. You said that you think pre rug could kick off any minute. Now, does that mean that you're starting to see some signmaking? Yeah, I just started this last week, starting to see a couple of scrapes. But no, nothing like it will be next month. Um, you know it. It generally seems to take place within the first part of October, middle of October, like I said, give or take a week. Um, the deer that I took Saturday just laid back, UM, not ruddy at all. Just happened to be, you know, at the wrong place at the right time for me. Where are you running your trail cameras right now, Right now, I'm running them on trails I can find on high ground. Um, we are, like I said, we've had records amount record amount of rain here and is being um so close to the coast, um water table being so high right now. But we're woods are pretty much sweated out. So any place you can find some high ground, you're going to, You're gonna have some activity going forward. Then, in this next week or so, what do you think that Buck ACTV is going to be on a scale of one to ten in Florida once our rutt kicks in, and this particularly again I'm not I can't speak for all of Florida, but in our particular part of Florida, once I rud Kickson, I will say it's um eight to nine. You know, it'll it'll, it'll just turn on like a light. My great. Congrats on that great buck that you killed. Good luck with the rest of your season, and thanks for joining me. Thank you so much. Have a good rest of your season too, good luck joining us on the line. Next is Keith Thompson from Montana. White Tails in Montana. Now, Keith in Montana, what would you say the buck activity has been lately on the scale of one to ten. Honest, five, Um, it's been the first two weeks this he's have been pretty rough for us here. Uh, major temperature swings. It was pretty darn hot here, so I wouldn't have to say that was probably the reason. Um, this week it's cooled down and there's definitely been a lot more activity. We killed a really good buck this morning, so it's things are looking at people are seeing a lot more to here. So it's i'd say, you know, like I said, a modest five with that hunter that you guided this morning to that successful hunt, what did that set up look like? We tucked them in pretty early into a into a betting area, kind of targeting those deer coming out of the alfalfa fields in the morning, trying to catch them slipping back into their beds. Now. Your region in Montana and most of the state has been in a drought this summer and early fall, so as water factored into any of your haunts so far, we've we've been setting up on water for certain instances, especially the last two weeks with it being so warm. Um, it still hasn't been all that productive. I mean, we're we had some hunter that we're seeing those and young bucks, but it just seemed like those bigger books were not moving very well until night cover. Anyways, what food sources are relevant for you right now? We're hunting mainly alfalfa field we're to and from, I mean coming from in the morning and going to in the evening is our main food source. The brows has been dead since it's been so dry, so that's kind of helpless for the evening. The temperatures have been rough, but this week has been a drastic change. I said, we have people seeing twice as many deers this week as they have the first two weeks, so it's looking up. And our bucks still traveling in bachelor groups or have they all broken out by this point? Um seeing all bachelor groups, I actually like, I said, I have a guy in a hay buill blind right now. Last night I watched that field and six bucks came out together right at you know, seven fifteen, seven thirties, so I'd definitely say they're still bachelord up, and they are three of the six. We're pretty dark and good books, so that was good to see. You mentioned that your hunter this morning was hunting close to a betting area. So how deep in the timber is that off of those field edges to find those betting areas right now? For us being in the river bottom, it's kind of you know, it could be a continuous stretch of five to six hundred yards where he was. I had him probably a hundred and fifty to two hundred yards off of the alfalfa field that we had seen the buck in before, so roughly a hundred yards back in. And are you seeing any signmaking in those areas? Ah, yeah, there's We started seeing a few rubs. I don't know if they were just you know, velvet rubs or anything like that, but we we started to see a little bit more sign popping up. Anyways, where are you guys running your trail cameras this time of year? Uh, to be honest with you, we don't. We don't run that many simply a fact that I can do a lot of scouting from the vehicle. Um, we're kind of fortunate with that. We can kind of park up high and we can watch two or three of our off alfa field to kind of give us an idea what's coming out where, and we would kind of base it off of that to be honest, and how does that mobile scouting change for you in October and November versus September. It will definitely change, Like you said, the bucks will start to separate. And it's you know, bucks that we were frequenting in one alfalfa field. If that field drives up or they eat it out by October, so we hit another alf alfa field. So it's it's kind of nice, like you said, to keep bouncing around to be able to visually see the deer to make our move as far as what we're doing and how we're doing it, like today and another guide here, we went and set up a ground blind, the hay bail blind, and I have the hunter and right now that you know, we hadn't hunted at all yet this year, and we took notice the last two nights we had you know, six bucks coming out together. And it's one of those deals where that most recent information being able to visually see those deer really helps a lot to be able to stay mobile and move to where the deer are going forward. Then, in this next week or so, what do you think that Buck ACTV is going to be on a scale of one to ten in Montana. I hope it increases. I mean the temperatures are, you know, hopefully they'll start dropping and staying lower. I know that the highs is what kills us. I mean, it's been cool in the morning, and it's it's been cooling down at night. But it's if we get these days where it reaches eighty degrees, it just doesn't drop enough for the evening hunt. But I'd give it a hopefully a six. Maybe we'll we'll hopefully go from there. All right, Keith, good luck to you and your clients in camp. Thanks for joining me, Thank you all right and joining us on the line. Last is Tony Peterson, whose content you can find all over Wired Hunt. Who's hunting in Wisconsin. Now, Tony in Wisconsin, what would you say the buck activity has been lately? On a scale of one to ten, the buck activity, I would say, if I'm being totally honest, was a zero for us. But I don't I think that was situational. I don't think it was quite that bad. Now. When I talked to you last week, Tony, you talked about how ground blinds were gonna be a big part of your weekend and you'd be hunting staging areas and field edges and water wouldn't be a focus. How much of that came true once he had boots on the ground in Wisconsin over the weekend, Man, I would say all of it. We we didn't you know, water really wasn't a factor. We uh we kind of you know, paint our hopes on staging areas, catching deer, coming back, coming back in the mornings from food sources, and heading out in the evenings. And it Saturday was a real bus for us. But Sunday worked out and it actually played out the way we thought it might. And your nine year old twin daughter killed a doe. Tell us about that set up, Why you guys were in that spot and why that doll was in that spot? Yeah, she did. It was the first year. It was really really cool we we were there. I was panicked a little bit the week before the season opened because I didn't think we had a good morning set up, And so I went over there to Wisconsin and this spot, it's a it's a private place, but there's just sort of an area they filtered through coming back from the neighbor's bean field. There's some tree rows there and there's a swamp on one side that kind of kind of keeps them in line, and so I put a ground line in that that tree roll, thinking we might catch them coming back in the morning from that destination food source. And that's exactly how it played out. We had one dough come in, you know, it's dead come and she got a little bit wiggy. She she gave my daughter, I don't know, like shot, and it just worked out and it was really cool. Man. Both times I've talked to you, Tony, you've you've touched on how much water the state has this year. Is there enough water to be dictating dear movement and is it forcing them out of certain areas or to take different paths or has that not been that much of an issue for patterns at least? Um, you know, I wouldn't say there's enough water over there to really force them anywhere too. You know that they they want to stay dry, so they'll circle around it. But it's you know, it's just a difference between diving through a really nasty swamp stick and full of alders and everything, or staying out in the open. And so that's more of you know, when you're in a really predator dense place like we were. They seem to in those low light situations kind of find these places where they can travel somewhat in the open but still have some cover to protect them, if that makes any sense. And so that's that's what I'm kind of talking about with the swamp situation there. What food sources relevant right now? In Wisconsin? Man, you know, our deer were they were mostly coming off of beans, but I think some of them were key in on a just an lfal ful field as well, but that had been just very recently cut, and so I think, you know, you really can't go wrong with september and soybeans. Where are you running a lot of your trail cameras right now, man, I'm running them in anything I think that's going to be a staging area as the deer traveled to and from bedding and food and food in bed Are you seeing any signmaking right now in those stage again or use or another part to the woods? I am. I found some some of the first rubs of the season this year. We actually found a monster rub. We we spent a little time brook trout fishing over there and found a crossing that was just rubbed up and it was pretty cool. So I've started to see a little bit of buck time now. Hunting with your daughter, the goal was a little bit different and that you were just trying to get any legal do you're on the ground from a ground line. But if you were hunting for yourself, Tony, if you were trying to kill a buck in the morning in mid September to late September, what would that set up look like in a state like Wisconsin, getting back in the cover off of the food and just playing that real, real early movement. You know, maybe a couple d yards off of the destination food sources, as long as you can sneak in and that, you know, that's the key to everything is if you have the access to these spots, you can absolutely make a staging area type of hunt. Happened in the morning in September, but you really got to be able to sneak in and that would that was absolutely the secret. So how my daughter kills her dear? Going forward? Then, in this next week or so, what do you think that buck ACTV is going to be on a scale of one to ten in Wisconsin. I'm gonna I'm gonna bump her up to a five. I think it's gonna get better there, Spence. Alright, Tony, I like your optimism, um, but that's not a whole lot more optimistic. I hope you're wrong and it's it's even better than five. Good luck with the rest of your haunts. And thanks for joining me. Awesome, Thanks buddy, And that concludes episode four hundred and fifty seven of rut Fresh Radio. Next to Alex Gray, Keith and Tony for joining me, and thank you guys for listening. As a reminder, our reading materials for this week can be found in the description where you have things like best food sources for big woods white tails, how to kill a buck in high wind. By September is the best month to haunt scrapes and should you deer hunt in the raid, I will talk to you next week and until then stay wired to hunt.