00:00:02 Speaker 1: Hey, guys and girls, this is Mark Kenyon of the Wired Hunt podcast and we're here with another episode of Wired to Hunt's Rut Radio and with me is our producer Spencer new Hearth High doon Man. Good, there's snow on the ground, there's a chill in the ear, and it's almost Thanksgiving, so I'm really happy. Yeah, this is This is the weather and like the feeling of hunting that I think a lot of us have been waiting for because it's been a pretty warm November a lot of places, don't you think. Yeah, it's the cold front that's like two weeks late and that we were looking for at the beginning of November. I'm interested to hear what are our correspondence across the country have seen. But you, my friend, you were able to get it done again, weren't you. Yeah. I was fortunate enough to harvest the coolest year that I have ever seen on hoof. On one side he had a normal five point side, nice long brow ties and stuff, and you know, matching the other side he had probably been a hundred classed year. But then on his other side he had like two mutant antlers, one smaller antler that came up that was like your typical four point side, but then below that, growing out of the same base, he had this weird stag horn that came out like two inches and then shot straight up in the air and did a ninety degree angle that was eleven inches long. And so when I saw him, I knew I had to get this year on the ground. I was really excited when it worked out. Wow, that's crazy. So so how did that happen? Well, we just got pounded um with a big snowstorm on like Thursday and Friday. It dropped like four or five inches snow on the ground and it also brought some pretty heavy winds with that. And so going into this hunt, I was thinking less about rud activity and more about you know, hunting a food source. So I hunted a cut bean field with hopes that I would see you know, a high number of deer. And was just what happened for that hunt. I saw like twenty four dough and three bucks, you know, including this one. When I initially saw him was about ten minutes to daylight left or so um, and I could just see his good side and at that point I was kind of on the fence about shooting him. You know, I knew he was a good looking deer, um, but I just wasn't sure that this was the one I wanted. And then when he gave me a better view, I could only pick up half of what was going on on the other side, and I thought, you don't know, I'm not going to shoot this year. But then he eventually moved a little bit closer and I could get the full picture. Uh, and see, you know all the junkie had going on. I thought, Okay, you know, this is the buck for me. And I was really excited then when it worked out, because initially I had him in like two yards and that was when I decided I was not going to shoot. But he worked his way all the way into forty five yards. Um. That was kind of when I got the idea of what this deal really was. And forty five yards with a sculped rifle that's a chip show, you know, It's like five yards with your bow. Uh. So it just it couldn't have worked any better. That's awesome. And so those bucks where they just felt there feeding, they weren't paying attention to the dose at all. Yeah, there wasn't too much rudd activity there. Um. I did see one of the younger bucks leave his group of dose to go bother a different group of dose, but they shut him down pretty quickly, so then he moved back to the group that he had came out of this draw with. But it really seemed like mostly the deer were focused on food. Okay, interesting, Yeah, I haven't seen anything too too ruddy here in Michigan a little bit. I was able to be hunting up in northern Michigan this weekend and uh saw some doze and a couple of bucks, but nothing really going on between them. The buck had been spooked um, and the doz was kind of doing a thing um. And then a lower Michigan last night, I did see a bunch of deer um, but it was all dose except for one buck, which was the one buck I've been after holy Field. Unfortunately I was not able to hunt. I was watching from from the distance. Um. I just was able to sneak over there just in time to catch last light. But he, interestingly, when was not with a dough, wasn't chasing any doughs or anything. He was kind of cruised out by himself out to this edge of a field, looked around and then walked down the edge of the field, looped into some tall grass, and then back in towards the food plot. Um. So, you know, I think we're kind of reaching that point where most of the doughs have probably been bred and now you just have these occasional few stragglers that are probably coming into estrus and uh and when those do happen, I think the activity will pick up, But I don't know if it's going to be anything like it was, you know, two weeks ago when it comes to chasing and seeking. But I don't know. I guess I'm not the one to ask about that. You are because you've been talking to everyone, right. Yeah, Well, this episode again felt like one from mid October where we were talking about how weather driven the deer activity was then, you know, thanks to the warm weather. But this time it's a lot different. We started off talking to Justin Zar in Illinois with bow hunting dot Com, and he had talked about how he thinks this a little bit of cold is going to get the deer moving good again. And then we went to Jason Reid in New York and he was dealing with some t shirt weather like a week ago, and then all of a sudden that turned into a blizzard and that really shut down the deer activity for him. Then we went to Georgia and talked to Lindsay Thomas Jr. And he was on the complete other end of the spectrum. He was talking about how warm and dry it is down there, and if you have a good food source right now, like a food pot that actually survived, or some good water for the deer, that would be key. And then we went to Mark Kaiser in Nebraska from Deer and Deer Hunting TV and his report was similar to Jason Reid. He had talked about how he was hunting in like sixty or seventy degree weather that then turned into this nasty cold and wind um. So we're definitely at a point where the weather is very important that the rut no longer trumps all. Interesting. Well, I'm interested to hear uh here what they have to say about that. And I think this relatively cooler weather is probably here to stay. Right. I think at least long term, we're not gonna have any T shirt weather again, at least in this part of the country right right. But if you are somewhere in the Midwest that just got hit with snow, it looks like it won't be here too much longer. I see in South Dakota, for example, there's some fifty degree days coming up next week and then even a little bit of rain today. That blanket of snow is gonna be gone pretty quickly. Yeah, very true. Well, I think there's there is running actions still to be had. So if you're if you're still out there hunting with a tag yet to be filled, stay out there, keep at it because good things gonna happen. And uh, I guess with that Spencer, should we get to these interviews because I know I am, and I'm sure listeners are curious to hear what the reports have been across country. Yeah, definitely. And two weeks ago before we did an episode, I take down in western South Dakota, and then last week before episode you take down in Ohio. And then this week before the episode, I take down eastern South Dakota. So we better do more episode next week just so one of us can punch one more tag. What do you think that's true? While I'm actually just about to head out to hunt tonight for holy Field, So if we keep this streak alive, that would be pretty incredible. Well, then, I don't even need to wish you luck, so I think we know what's going to happen there. All my fingers and toes are crossed. But seriously, good luck, Mark, and quickly before we get to our first update. As all weird Hunt podcasts are, this episode is brought to you by sit Ga Gear. If you'd like to learn more about Sitka Gears technical hunting apparel, you can visit Sitka gear dot com. And now onto the show. Alright, and joining me on the line first is Justin Csar, the general manager of bow Hunting dot Com. Now, Justin in Illinois, what would you say the buck activity has been there on a scale of one to ten, I'd give it a seven or eight here over the last few days, you know, we had a cold front moved through that finally brought some real cold temperatures. Uh, you know, the last few days and my trail cameras have been absolutely blowing up with with some really good uh daylife buck activity. And what phase of the route would you say we're in then right now? Yeah, I really think we're kind of tapering off on the back side, you know of just the rut as a whole um. You know, my personal opinion has always been this, you know, fifteen through the twenty of the month. Um, I've always felt like it's been a really good time to to shoot. Dear. You know, I've shot a lot of good bucks during that time, and I always feel like, you know, the bigger deer in my experience, tend to stick more to their core areas, you know, that early part of the rut where they're you know, breeding those doughs that are that are local to them that they don't have to travel for. And you know, once they've you know bred those doughs, and now we start, like I said, getting to the tail end of the ruts. This is the time in my experience where I started getting deer showing up on my trail cameras that I've never seen before. Or maybe I lose some of my bigger bucks for a couple of days where I feel like they're in a rome. They're starting to expand there looking for those last few doughs that are out there. You know, they're hot commodity right now, these hot doughs, and you know the bucks are really looking for him. So you know, we're definitely tapering off but I think we've got another few days of you know, pretty good book daylight activity. I mean I had one of the deer on one of the farms that I have. It's pushing almost six hundred acres and I had that deer on four different trail cameras during daylight. You know, in some cases almost a mile away within an hour. I mean he was covering some serious ground over the weekend, you know, looking for the last few dos. And like, if you're looking to fill a tag right now, like you said to, you think is a great time. What are you looking for? You trying to find does? Are you looking for buck betting? Is it food source time? Yet? Well? I think the you know, the does and the food sources they're starting to go kind of hand in hand. I mean they're always pretty much hand in hand, but you know, we're starting to, at least here in northern Illinois, transition into some of these later season food sources. A lot of our crop fields are picked, um, so you know, the deer are starting to hit, you know, some of the pick fields that they're not killed. They're starting to get to some of the food plots I'm seeing, you know, does are starting to group back up. Um. You know, a friend of mine that I hunt was saw a group of six or area doughs together on on Sunday morning, which we haven't seen for you know, a couple of weeks now while they kind of were dispersed during the rut. So because these dose group back up as they start, you know, going to those food sources, I think that's where you're gonna find these bucks, especially in the evenings, mornings and midday. I think you know, you still can't go wrong with with dow betting areas. These bucks are just cruison around getting on the down wind side of those betting areas. I've been looking for any hot dose that are left, So you know that's what I'm gonna be doing the next couple of days is trying to key in on, you know, where these doughs are are living now, where they're feeding and trying to get in there. How about in this coming week or so, justin what do you think the buck activity is going to be then? On the scale of one to ten, sure, I think we're gonna still see a six or seven. I know they've been moving real good. In the last couple of days. We got cold temperatures. Um, we got another little front moving through Buddy Mine. Just saw a big buck chase and does ran out right in front of him on the road this morning. So I think we've got another good week of a deer action here in Illinois. Well, we got to talk about the book that you just passed on this last week. We have to. We have to. And if you haven't seen it yet, go to bow hunting dot COM's Facebook page and you'll see the video there. You had a ridiculously close encounter there. Why don't you tell us about that deer in that hunt? Sure, Well, you know the farm that I'm hunting on, that's the six acres that I'm talking about. It's in a bow only area. You know, we're pretty close to the city of Chicago, so some of the collar counties around the city are archery only. There's no gun season, and that that particular farms in in one of those areas. And in this deer I have two years of history with I know for a fact that he's a three year old um And like a lot of people out there, I mean, eventually, at some point in my life I'd like to kill a big, big deer at lea have an opportunity to chase one. You know, it seems like you bounced from farm to farm in place to place every year. There's always one or two respectable deer around. But trying to find those those big, you know, world class type dear, it's a hard thing to do. So you know, my my hunting partner Mike and I identified this book has you know, awesome potential. He's probably mid one fifties, is a three year old, great mass, awesome broad times. He's just got everything you want, you know, in potential for an animal. And even though he would have been my second or maybe the first biggest deer that I've ever shot with the bow, you know, we made the decision during the summer, when we had velvet pictures of him, that we were gonna try to let him go another year. You know, you're risk the neighbor shooting him, your risk get hit by a car, e h d, killed by coyotes. I mean, anyone of a number of things can can happen to him. But if you don't pass an animal like that, you know you're never gonna have an opportunity to chase him. When he's won seventy one and nineties, so this year has got the potential to get there. So, man, I tell you, he walked by me at ten yards on Sunday morning, and I grabbed my bow only for the purpose of turning in my tack to Caama to someone with the back to Cama. I never even gave it a second thought of of trying to draw back. And you know, having trail camera pictures of this deer, a multitude of them for several years, and knowing that I was going to pass him if I saw him and certainly made that decision a lot easier. Um. I got some other farms with some younger and uh smaller deer that I probably would shoot. You know, it seems kind of counterintuitive of the pass at one and go shoot to one thirty. But that farm, that deer he uh gotta pass. Yeah. Well, I hope I'm talking to you a year from now and and he messes up for you, then I hope so too. Man. I really do think in my interview that was either the smartest decision I've ever made or the dumbest decision I've ever made. But we will find out a year from now. Yeah exactly. Well, good luck with the rest of your hunting. Thanks for your time justin no problem. Thanks Bester, alright and joining me on the line. Next is the marketing communications director from Crossman, Jason Read Now, Jason in New York, What would you say that rought activity has been there on a scale of one to ten, Well, for everyone but me, it seems to be somewhere around seven or eight. I got a lot of friends who have had a great, great couple of weeks, but it's pretty tough for me. But I know that through the first two weeks, the first ten days especially, activity was pretty high. A lot of chasing, uh, classic road activity. But we had a lot of up and down weather which definitely pushed a lot of things into the night, you know, into the uh nocturnal stage, you know, push a lot of bucks nocturnal, a lot of that classic road activity. And especially we just got hit with the giant storm here, so that's locked down a lot of activity. And so in particular in this last week or so, what stage of the rout do you think they're in? Uh? In New York area. Oh, you know, it's kind of interesting because my dad shot a buck on Thursday, UM, because the sevent and that buck was seeking. He was on a trail, so who does have gone through in the dark, and so he was up on his feet, you know, following their trail. I think as the weekend progressed, it seemed and more reminiscent maybe some lockdown activity because during you know, an opening day a rifle. UM, I saw you two bucks that were completely alone. And uh So it's kind of hard to say. It seems like, like I said, especially because they had this giant storm hit have to say exactly where which staged there at um, because I've seen it, seen them buck solo to bucks chasing, uh in the last five days. So talking more about that storm, you know what was the weather like during that and coming out of that storm? Now, what do you think that will do to the deer activity? Yeah, it was interesting because you know, Saturday morning was opening a rifle. Um. Actually me back up a little bit. So Friday, my dad, UM, I was sitting for a dough and had a big you know, hundred thirty eight point UM basically locked down a dough behind the stand, and so he backed out and called me and I took the long way around into the stand, UM and I sat. I had no food I wasn't expecting to fit all day, and so I snuck into the tree stand. The deer were only yards behind me, and I spent you know, close to eight hours in that tree and they do not move. Um. And there was sixty degrees out. So we get into Saturday morning. I walked in my tree stand in my shorts, um. And the first couple of hours were extremely warm, you know, when I got to shot a big nine player. Uh. And then all of a sudden the stormhead and we had winds that were probably between thirty and forty miles an hour. It got cold and you know, into the twenties driving uh, snow, and we had trees breaking all out, and I forced the deer and just to bet up. And so the only way we were able to get any action was to push them. Uh. I don't love doing pushes, but they work, you know, from this from a strategic standpoint, and that was really the only way we're able to do is by scooching, you know, still hunting and intoing drives. And we jumped up a couple that will about it up and the you know the big blowdowns. Um, I think what that's gonna do right now? For the next couple of days while this storm's coming through. I think lou deer are gonna be uh. They're really just gonna sit tight and sitting near food and not move much until it breaks towards the end of the week. How about going forward in this next week or still, what do you think the bucket activity will be then? Well, I think, like I said, with the storm breaks, I think you're gonna see a floorty of activity basically from thanks Wednesday through Thanksgiving weekend. I think the activity in general is just gonna spike because they're gonna be uh, you know, they're just basically a lockdowns until the storm passes. Uh. So I think we're gonna see an uptick in all their activity. I think probably I was a wager closer to seven or eight on that scale, probably just because of how bad the storm is right now, I would be focusing I'm going to focus on sources going forward. All right, Jason, Well, I hope your season turns around for you then, and good luck with the rest of the year. Thanks for your time, Thank you, Spencer, alright, and joining me on the line next is Lindsay Thomas, the communications director of q D m A now Lindsay and Northern Georgia. What would you say the buck activity has been there on a scale of one to ten in this last week or so since I will say four and so four that's that's pretty low. It seems like is that normal for this time of year there, No, it is definitely low. I mean in the middle of North Georgia right now, you know, uh, in the around mid November into the twenties of November is normally a great time of year. But we've got a lot of sort of I don't know, unfortunate and conditions right now, between warmer than normal temperatures, a superabundant acorn crop, and a severe drought throughout most of the state, which is true throughout most of the southeast right now. You know, you combine all that, um, food plots are pretty much dead, acorns are abundant wherever deer go, and it's just been warm and it's just created a tough hunting conditions out there. The rut, of course, is still happening. Um, you know, it always does happen in any location the typical time it normally happens, and those are still getting bread. But folks that I'm talking to and myself included, just are not seeing the daytime activity for by any deer. What little is being seen right now is younger bucks that are trailing those or maybe doing a little chasing. But for the most part, um, it is you know, buy and large. Everybody I know and and my hunting experience is it is a slow season right now. Well that's that's tough to hear. But what kind of adjustments do you think that hunters can make knowing that that you know, the food sources are different right now and it's dry and warm. Well, it's just they're just gonna have to make sure they don't fall back on their favorite old stands or patterns that they that worked for them in the past. Particularly, you know a lot of folks who that I know who are used to go in and climbing a stand over their favorite food plot every year. This time of year, just can't do that. The food plots literally are dust. Um, and that's true in Georgia, Alabama. Uh, you know, in the Mississippi up in the Tennessee, just severe drought conditions right now. Now coastal George is a little better off because uh, Florida coast to Georgia, coast of South Carolina. We all got a dose of rain when Hurricane Matthew came through back in October, and that has pretty much saved the food plots in those areas. But for most of the states of Georgia and the rest of the Southeast, food plots are gone. They're non issue, and there's not even enough moisture for anybody to try to replant build and none in the forecast. So um going to a food plot or you know, hunting patterns that were based around food plots this year is just out of you know, don't do it. Um. And then you know, we know that in the year with a bundant acorn crops like we've got this year in in most of Georgia, and I'm hearing that in a lot of country too, but in Georgia, you know, the fact is when you have a high acorn crop, you're gonna have a low deer harvest because dear just apparently don't move as much and they don't have to find the food. So you know, you're you're you can't go to places where you you are used to seeing a lot of deer movement because deer just are not roaming that much. The does are not having to roam that much, and therefore the bucks don't have to roam that much to find them. So I would say, you know, go to areas you don't normally hunt. I would say, stick to thicker cover. Um. Certainly look for areas that are where there are acorns, but that's not going to guarantee uh sightings and dear activity this year. Um. So I would say, you know, go to those sticker areas, go to those areas with less pressure, um, and and try something new, change anything up, don't go all back on old patterns, and particularly not food plots. Say get in the woods. I mean it's it's warm. You know, we are having tough conditions and right now it's warmer than normal. We're finally getting a little cool weather now. But get in the woods because we like we know, um, the rut is still happening, deer are still getting bread, so you can't you know, take advantage of that if you're not out there. Absolutely, And with that said, what phase of the route would you say we're in right now in northern Georgia and coastal Georgia, well, coastal Georgia. We're pretty much post rut now at this point, and that's where I do most my hunting. Our rut peaks in the breeding dates peak and laid out cover into early November. Uh and and it kind of as you move north through Middle Georgia and up into North Georgia, it runs later. Um, generally mid November two. Right now, Thanksgiving week is very good time right now in in middle of North Georgia. So you know, over the next week, if we hold some of these cooler temperatures, maybe gets a little bit colder. Um, I think that Thanksgiving we could be very good. And certainly people are still seeing some bucks. You're still seeing some good bucks killed out there. That's gonna happen, you know, any year. But but most everybody I know is just saying, you know, we're just not seeing the amount of activity were used to. I know a lot of people that have said very tough seasons. So, um, it's still got some good times ahead in in the middle of North Georgia over the next week to two weeks. And then you know, as you get down into Southwest Georgia, uh, it gets later, we get a little bit of that kind of Alabama action where the ruts fills over into December and then even into January. So, um, we're kind of all over the map. But for most Georgia hunters that you know, we've still got a good week two weeks of of what could be a good right activity ahead. And let's put that on a scale of one to ten, what do you think the bucket activity is going to be there and around that Thanksgiving time frame? Um, it'll be a little pessimistic, um Spencer. And I'm gonna say a six, because even though if it gets cooler, we've still got the acorn factor, we've still got the drought factor. Um, We've still got these unfortunate conditions that are really changing up the way uh deer or moving and and and at least in response to patterns we normally expect them to hold too. So I'm not optimistic that it's gonna blush wide open and everybody's gonna be seeing all the rud activity. I mean I'm seeing, you know, we're seeing those and deer in the ditch of highways, which shows me they're moving that just maybe not moving um during daylight hours or in places we normally expect them to move, so the ruts happening. Um, I don't expect it to suddenly become you know, red hot over the next week, but I think, um, you know, getting later in the year, two more uh cooler nights like we haven't been having hopefully on the way. Um we'll say, we'll say it's gonna be up six over the next week, right, lendsy Well, I doubt that you are, but I hope you're wrong. Uh, you know, for the case of those southeastern haunts, I do too. I hope everybody gets a nine or two, and myself included definitely. Thanks for joining me, Lindsay. Okay, Spencer, thanks so much for calling all right and joining us on the line. Last is outdoor writer and co host of Deer and Deer Hunting TV Mark Kaiser. Now Mark in Nebraska, what would you say the bucket activity has been there on a scale of one to ten for this last week or so? Well on the property I was hunting, which is in southwest Nebraska close to the Kansas border, I would say it was probably a six or a seven. It wasn't off the charts, but it definitely was active. And the reason I rated just a little bit lower is what I said. The property. After getting on this particular property, I noticed that the deer we're bunching up on a neighboring property. And it all came down to one big reason, and that was food. That other landowner had dumped a ton of water on his uh winter we eat and I think he had winter weet nol falfa, so he had irrigated it. It's been a warm fall all uh, there's been a lot of growth going on, and the deer were bunching up on that side of the river, on that side of the property, and we were just getting residual traffic because of that on the property we were hunting. And so what phase of the route would you then say we're that we're in, Well, the phase of the rut at this point, and when I was in Nebraska just three days ago is definitely peak breeding. They're breeding a few effects, some of them are wrapped up. Some of these doors are actually going back to their fons regrouping. But the the lockdown period, as many people like to describe it, is probably on the way out right now. Lockdown was just a few days ago. A lot of the dolls are beginning to move back to their family groups. Like I said, pick up their fons again. So you're gonna see some of these older bucks cruise a little bit more, a little bit further. And one of the things over my I don't even want to say how many years I've been hunting so it will age me. But over my many years hunting I see is that Thanksgiving, particularly Thanksgiving Day, because I hunt a lot of Thanksgiving Day, those older bucks will do a little more cruising and leaving their safetons, leaving their sanctuaries. So you may pick up the buck for lifetime that you've never seen before in the next three, four or five six days because he's trying to get that one last dough bread and he'll leave his home territory to do it this time of year. Then would you say that there are any calling techniques that are effective? You know, calls can work any time during the run. But what I find as the as the rutting and the breading lines down, is these bigger bucks, especially become less susceptible to calling over Thanksgiving. I've spent a lot of time in Montana, which seems to be one of the places I end up always at Thanksgiving hunting you know, a couple of days before over Thanksgiving, a couple of days after and what I usually end up rattling in at that time and calling in our three and a half year olds. It just seems like they're you know, they're supercharged there. They're the rock and rollers of the white tailed world. Four and a half year olds to some extent too, But you're just calling in more of those younger deer. It's rare to call in a big mature deer. He's tired. Uh, he doesn't want to fight, he's just looking for a little bit of love, and he's looking for some food. Starting to think about food and the winter ahead. Now that area that you were in, the weather it could be pretty variable there this time. You imagine you could have a seventy degree day or you could have a blizzard. Um at this phase of the road, do you think that factors into buck movement? Oh? Absolutely it does. But at the same time, they're they're wanting to go out and breed. So we had that exact scenario when I was in the breast, but we started out hunting in temperatures that were in the sixties. It maybe got seventy the first day I was there, but the last day I was there, it actually or the second last day, it's snowed and temperatures are down around twenty and then we stayed. The next morning I had to drive to Montana, but we stayed for one morning and it was twelve degrees. And on that twelve degree morning, which would have been the nineteen of November, there was just a lot of movement going on right then. So yes, those those white tailbucks, you just gotta remember and does are wearing their parkas at this time of the year. They cannot predict if we're gonna have an over, uh you know, a warm fall over above average warmth, but they that they always plan for cold, so they grow that park they have to wear it. And if you get sixty degree temperatures especially, it gets uncomfortable for them to move, so they'll lay down a lot more then than they will when it's thirty forty and even into the little fifties. I think I've seen some stuff around fifty five degrees. Once it gets above that is when the deer traffic starts going down because they're just too hot. What about going forward then in that area, what do you think the bucket activity will be there on this next week or so. On the scale of one to ten, you're you're gonna definitely see it going down, And so I would say it's probably I'd say it's rated out of five now. Not only uh is it going to go down because of the uh the rut is winding down, but also because there's been so much hunting pressure. You know, these these deer have been hunted one way, shape or another in many of these areas of the Midwest central part of the United States from September on and the guns season just wrapped up on Sunday in Nebraska, which you've been asking me about, so they got they had a nine day season. Those deer got chased. In Montana, Ara'm at now, these deer have been hunted with bow and arrows since September and guns since the third week of October. So they've had a month of hard rifle hunting on them. That makes a big difference, and I'm seeing it right now here in Montana. These deer do not want to come out on these fields until the last five to ten minutes of light. The big bucks they come out and they'll chase, but they're not They're just not cruising in the open. I'm sure they're doing it in these timbered bottoms. We just I've been a little bit uh leary about going into some of it because I'm just new to this area. It's a new area of hunting, so I haven't really I felt like I had a knowledge to go in and tear it up in the timber. But they're definitely not coming out on the fields until the last few minutes of shooting light. Right. Well, that's some great intel, Mark, and thanks to your time and good look for the rest of the season. All right, thank you and good hunting everyone. And that concludes this week's episode of Wired Hunt's Radio. Make sure you subscribe to the podcast and give us a rating, and follow Wired Hunt on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. And you can follow me on Twitter and Instagram at Spencer new Heart. Thanks for listening, and have a happy Thanksgiving.