00:00:00 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Welcome to the Hunting Collective. I've been O'Brien and after a long break, we're back episode number fourteen, and we're joined by none other than Casey Butler. Casey is the founder of get Hushing. It's a YouTube channel content house that he and his buddies Brian and Eric run out of Utah and Idaho, respectively. They travel around the world, or at least around the country, and they hunt and they fish. They document it and semi live and sometimes in real time. And what makes these guys different, what makes Casey's content different is that it's unapologetic. It's not edited. It is what it is. It shows hits mrs good times, bad times, and it is really the entire story of Casey, Rick and Brian, and they're hunting and fishing careers and lives. I've known these guys for a couple of years now and support what they do, and they're just doing something different in the hunting game, and I really appreciate that. On the top of that, Casey is just a good guy. I think when we hang out in hunting camps, we never stopped laughing, never stopped joking, never stopped just having a ball, so he joined me this last week in Sonora, Texas for an access to your hunt that was unreal and a lot of memories made, a lot of deer hit the ground, and just a lot a lot of action for a short three day hunt out in the heat of West Texas in June. So hopefully you enjoy our conversation. I think this one got a little bit deep this one. Casey was willing to open up on some things and we were able to talk through some of the issues with with life and death and hunting. So serious as that sounds, I think it was a great conversation, So hopefully you enjoy it. Episode number fourteen, Casey Butler, Hey buddy, Hey buddy, how you doing pretty get their pal um? How do you like Texas? How do I like Texas? I love the state of Texas, I love the I love I love Texas. I have some qualms about about Texas, but as a whole, I've absolutely enjoyed myself every time I've been down here. Mm hmmm, I feel like you're not telling the truth. Like I said, I have some qualms. Let's go over all the nice things that you've done in Texas are not That's not as interesting as the hardships you faced here. We're in Sonora, Texas. By the way. Senora, Texas is west pretty much straight west of Austin, Texas, about three hours. I want to drive that. We're here on the ranch called the Canyon Ranch. The Canyon Ranch is acres. Part of it is high fence. The part we hunted is about ten thousand acres of fair chase, free range, low fence, exotics, white tails, turkeys, everything you can think of, so big, big oak flats and mesquite flats and cacti, lots of cacti, a few water holes, a lot of dry dirt, pretty arid this time of year. It's been pretty regularly a hundred five degrees since we've been here. And um, all those things and in this environment combined create something that was a little bit gnarly, very gnarly. You just want me to dive into this. I just want you to, like this, explain that what's going on right now in your body? I am very uncomfortable in my skin right now. Is I get the best way I can put it, I've I just can't get comfortable. I just got out of the shower literally ten minutes ago and that was nice, But at the same time, I'm itching from head to toe. H I have some concerns about some lasting bites that I got while I was down here. Yeah, um, little little sunburnt, you know, the sun, just being out in the sun. I lived in Arizona for a few years when I was a kid. Phoenix. What I remember about Phoenix when I moved then moved to Idaho, and that's kind of where I grew up. Mostly where I grew up was when when it's hot in Idaho in the summer, the wind blows and it's like, oh, that's nice breeze in Phoenix, and I feel like down here when the wind blows and it's hot, it's just a hot air blowing in your face. It's it's not refreshing. It's like Ryan Callahan compared it to just a blow driver and you're face all day long. And that's how it is. So it takes it out of you just being out in the sun. I mean, we did maybe what five miles of hiking, Maybe maybe we walked around a little bit more than the normal sit over water holes. I would say, hashtag we got after it, We got after it? Is that a hashtag? Now it is. Now it is. Yeah, that's we don't have a hashtag here the hunting Collective. I got to pick one up. Yeah, it's well, throw it around for a while. Yeah, let's don't jump into it and be like that's fine, but let's slave and all right. Well, yeah, we we found out or or some of us knew that there is a tick specifically called the lone star tick. And it's a small ticks, not as small as a deer tick or some of the smaller of this insect. But it's I would say a midsized tick for what I've seen, and it's got a white dot on its back. But it carries a virus of some sorts. I have to look at what the look this up and get some more detail on it, or somebody can write in and tell us what's really going on. But it's like a letter, like a letter, right, if it's a virus alone, start tick carries right in PO box. Sent it the p O box. Address it to Mr dearest, Mr O'Brien. Yes, please, I'd like you to write with an ink quill sorry, type in, type in, finger in. I don't know what with your fingers. You type with your fingers. Yeah, uh, we're way off tractive count for five minutes. And what are we talking about? The lone start tick it um when it bites you, uh and injects some sort of protein into your bloodstream, and that protein then calls you to it creates an allergy two red meat? Is that? Does that not sound like the worst possible thing that could I mean, let me step back. It's not the worst possible thing that could happen to you as a human being, but it's pretty darn close. I mean in all irony, like if you're you're hunting for red meat and you get a bit by a tick that carries that possibly there's the they're telling us here it's one in a billion. Yeah, those are odds. What's all that one of a billion talk? I don't that's too too much for me. Well, yeah, so zero in a billion would be about what I well put it, put it in a reverse way, like what's the chances of winning the lottery? One in a billion? Who I don't play the lottery because that's like way out there. But when it's can be a negative thing against you, one in a billion sounds like, you know, like the phrase so you're saying there's a chance. Well, that's the thing is the outfits told us. He's like, oh yeah, it's like one in every one billion ticks has it. Yeah. So my buddy was out here last year and uh, got it, got it, got it. And I'm like, so you're telling people didn't come here and he just got it. It's not one in a billions lying. I don't know. It scares me because let's go back to thinking about this. We are out here hunting, doing something we love and in hopes that we we kill a deer and we can take it home, because a big reason for hunting access deer down here for me right now is because they're the most It's some of the most delicious meat I've ever had. And so you're down here to do that, and then you can contract something that would end all of that. Is it worth it? Wow? What is reading about this? Now? You're reading somebody? Did somebody phone in? Yeah? Somebody do alive. Since this isn't live, you have to call me later, but later text out yeah, or you could tweet out or instagram I could do that. We're doing a podcast about this. We want to hear from you, and then millions of people, millions of people listening to this, right, Yeah, millions of millions of people. Yeah, millions of downloads. So USA today is a story. Lone star tick bites can cause rare meat allergy and some people. Oh, if you spot a tick, grab the tweezers. That's what it says. Read that. Read that first line again. He says it could. It can cause a meat allergy and some people. So that's not telling me that like one in a million of these ticks has it. That's saying like, if you're the right person and get one of these ticks on you and embedding you, you could have it. Is that how you read it? That? Sorry? Read it? This is it's I was sugar called alpha gal wishes present and mammalian meat triggers the allergic reaction once you're bitten by this tick. Unbelievable, he said. Doctor's first notice a strange reaction, which is sometimes called alpha gal syndrome a little over a decade ago, and we're able to slowly piece together that those who developed the meat allergy had one thing in common. Lone star tick bites. Unbelievable. Here's a like, look at that close up picture of it. Oh, my gosh, we've seen a few of those. Now I've got I got bit by a lone star tick yesterday. It looks like it has a birthday cake on its back, which would be does that look like a birthday cake? A little bit? Um? Yeah, Like, can we go into the story now? Yeah? Please? Ben bless his sweet little heart invited me and Ryan Callahan from First Light down here to do this hunt kind of a last minute scene, and I was I jumped at the chance. Like I said, I've had access meat before and it is, you know, probably my favorite meat I've ever had, my favorite red meat. So I was like, sweet, we can shoot a dough, we can shoot a buck anyway we come down here. And he didn't even tell me about it the first day. It was like one of those oh, by the way, because after our first day hunting, which was an absolute blast, by the way, yes it was we Uh was it? I think you had a tick on you And I was like, oh, there's ticks down here, and oh yeah, lots of them. Be careful. I was like, oh, yeah, I never really get ticks like I've seen him. I've been out bear hunting in turkey hunting in the spring in Idaho and Montana, and I've seen him, but I've actually never had one in bed in me. Well, Benny found one on him and then he told told me about the possible the lone star tick. Yeah, allergic reaction, this this tick could cause, but not. I went to sleep and woke up, went hunting the next day, came back with a long star tick in my leg. Well remember when we were it was while we were eating dinner. You you picked one off your neck, and I was and I was kind of tripping out about it a little bit. I still, why wouldn't you trip It's it's a trippy premise, even if even if it's a rare, Like everything says rare may cause some people. It's all as you know, language that is saying that that it rarely happens, but it happens. It's out of doubt, without a doubt, it happened here at this branch. This is something we found that later on. Um. But ticks, I mean last year I was hunning North they here about an hour and a half. I got some kind of tickborn illness from getting bit, and uh I was down for two weeks. My my dad has lime disease. From a tick bite. And yet here we are, here we are, and you came into this unwittingly. I feel like I've been to Texas before, and I've hunted Texas before. Are the ticks less prominent in like January? Yes? Yes, so we hunted. We brought our dads down here in January of last year or two thousand seventeen or eight sixteen, anyway, and hunted a ranch. And it was January is a lot colder than it is now. And I don't remember seeing ticks. I don't remember talking about ticks, uh, but they're definitely here on this ranch. And well, so the story goes has been picked, went off, and I'm sitting there just telling him and Ryan like telling Ryan and Ben like, you know, is it kind of one of those things that like just ticks don't like certain people, like, you know, like they don't like their blood? I know, like people say that about mosquitoes, Like I have mosquitoes, don't really bother me, don't really bite me. You know, my my brother could be right next to me and he'll get lit up by mosquitoes and I don't for it. So I was kind of thinking in my head, or maybe I was trying to imagine this is how it worked, and I was like, yeah, you know, to be honest, I don't think I've ever found a tick and betteded me. I've seen him crawling on me, you know, I found him on my clothes, but I've never had when I bed in me and so maybe it's one of those things. And it was literally two minutes later. I went to cross my arms and rymes like, like, what he's like looking down at your elbow? Freaking alone? Start tick embedded in my forearm YEP, people can tell us are we are we being We'll see's about this? Are we not tough enough? Ah? Are one of our guides? And then outfit are here? Said, I've gotten bit of our hundreds of lone star chicks I've lived in my entire life. Nothing has ever happened like me too. Man. I got that one viral infection last year. The last couple of weeks I was sick. I was fine. Ah, but I know a lot of people that have a lot of problems because of these types of things. And we're vigilant. We were deep most of the time. We sprayed with some off in different type of sprays and uh, We're pretty is not to be laying in the tall grass ever. But uh, I think we came down You probably came down here fear full of rattlesnake without a doubt and laughed fearful of the tick. To be a honest right now, like yeah, like long term, I'm glad I didn't get bit by rattlesnake. I'm terrified of of rattlesnake. I'm not terrified of all snakes. There's a big missue conception out there. People think I'm terrified of all snakes. I'm terrified of getting bit by rattlesnake just because of what I can do. Yes same with this tick, Like this is what I was thinking about yesterday, was Texas is a wild place. Like we go on a lot of different hunts, and most of we do Western big game haunts and typically there you know, do yourself haunts on public land, and there's a lot of challenges that come to those right dome with those and especially been you you know, you've been all over the world on hunts, and every hunt comes with a different challenge. Sometimes it's a physical challenge, climbing mountains to kill a stone sheep, or maybe it's a mental challenge. You just have to like stay in the game long enough and it can happen. Like we've all been on those hunts. Texas is no different. Like even though this is a a giant ranch and there's a ton of animals on it and it's not where we like Ben said, where we hunted was not the high fence section, there's still a ton of animals on it, and high fence would I mean the number of animals here you feel you don't feel like you know what's what was interesting me in quickly, you know, we quickly put this hunt together. And I was thinking about having you and call out here is like where you're, where you live, you'd be lucky to see the here once. Are you lucky? You go out scout or go out hunt and have a few encounters in a day, you know, half a dozen would be a great day. Here, we can have half a dozen in an hour easily, easily. And so it does want it a couple of things. It keeps you in the action. It keeps you in the hunt, keeps you wanting to be out there, which not to other hunts don't do that, but this really does. And it sharpens your ability to stalk, it sharpet your ability to shoot, to know when to shoot it. Everything about bow hunting is repetition to get good at it. And I find these hunts, these types of hunts are our hunt in Lena I from episode thirteen the same way. And so it's interesting to see that reviewing repetitive sharpening of of what do I gotta do? When do I gotta do it? How am I going to do this? How am I gonna do it right? What's you know, what's the what's the strategy? But we got to do that this week because the deer just kept coming and coming coming. No, it was great. Yeah, like you say, like, man, I'm I'm in a giant slump right now and have been since last year. Like I messed up some some shots I should have made last year, and uh, it was good to get out. And that was the most important thing said that you're telling me. There's ticks that could pretty much in my life. But the most important thing you told me was don't worry about screwing it up because you will have another chance. Make sure you're comfortable draw back, like remember all those mechanics that you've learned and practice, like do that and if you screwed up, you screwed up, you're gonna have another chance, which was great. Do you know how many times did I pull my bow back yesterday? Half a dozen more? Yeah, just a fact of drawing your bow on a live animal and trying not to not to expose yourself to a live animal. Why you're drawing your bow. That's great practice. That's something you never get to practice unless you're out hunting. Yeah, and if you're a white tail hunter, you may do it twice a year, yeah, or you know, depending on what your strategies are. Um, and so yeah, I think these types, especially this time, you was not a whole lot going on fishing, mostly some bear hunting here and there. Um, these are important type of experiences for me. But I you know, since living in Texas and I'm an it down here way, but well before I was a resident. But um, I just this is kind of how spring turkey spring access to her. It goes, you go out, you get bit by something, it hurts, it scratches, you know, you scratch the itch and it take a couple of days agoes away. But there's that permanent thought in your mind that, oh man, this could be you know, I could I get Rocky Mountain spotted fever. I could get lime disease. I could get Yeah, this rare gal disease. Now that I've learned about, Well that's what gals out there. That's what I keep thinking about. It's like, if you were to uh get this is it a disease for virus, and if you weren't allowed, Like the way I understand it, and what was explained to me by the outfit or was his buddy that got it, basically cannot eat red meat and if he does, he doesn't die or anything, but he feels like he has the flu for twenty four to forty eight hours. He gets very sick. It's so bad that he's from down south somewhere where they barbecue a lot, and he can't even smell the smoke when his buddies barbecue because it gets him sick. So if I was thinking, like I was playing that to my life, like what if tomorrow, Casey, you wake up and you can't eat red meat? It would suck a right, that's A. That's A and B. It would change my life. It would change my family's life. Yeah, I mean I hunt for numerous reasons. It's fun. I love the I love the challenge. I love being out. It's something that I grew up doing. It's something I want to pass on to my kids. But also I eat. I love eating the meat. Yeah, like that is what supplies my family with with food. I guess what I mean. If I could, I guess what would happen is I would be able, I would still hunt to provide for my family, and I would eat I guess. I don't know. You're supposedly can eat fish. Some they were saying, like some white meats turkeys or something. But I find this to be people need to know people out there. You need to know lone star ticks are not just in Texas either. I feel like, yeah, people especially looking into coming down here or going where they are. I've never heard of this before. I thought I read I thought you were. It sounds like a joke. I read that USA Today article when it came out, I remember, and that was that us AN articles from June, and so like you said these things, this was happening to people and they didn't know at least week. If it happens to us, we'll have a better I believe Rutgers university was university doing a lot of the study. But they're just imagine being somebody in a decade ago that got bit by tick that produces allergen and they were sick for the rest for a long time and they could never figure it out. And it took that articles that the forty people to have these same symptoms and perhaps have been bit by the same insect, and um, it's crazy, man. And like you said, every everyone has challenges, but it sucks when the challenges are tiny, yeah, microscopic, And like if a bears, like you said earlier this week, if a bear is coming at you, most times, you're gonna see it well. And the fact that, yeah, if a bear, you can see it. And you know if a bear attack you, right, Like, if a bear comes and choose on you for a second, you're gonna get up and be like, I just got bit by a bear. It's not gonna be like a month later, you'd be like, damn, I gonna exactly, it's not this. Then you're you're gonna be wondering about and hoping it didn't happen and you and you don't really know until you get sick. Yeah, I just got bit by a bear. I need to go figure this out right now. Right now, I'm sitting here doing this podcast wondering if there's a lone Start tick on me now or if the one that was embedded in my arm yesterday. Yeah, we need a psychologist now to tell us it's Wait, it's way more dangerous to drive home in a truck like we're about to do than it is to get bit by a lone start tick. But the idea of the pure irony, at least, maybe if it happens, the one of a we could write a book or something, maybe start like a reality show about your life. People would watch me, just a hunter got bit by a tick while hunting and now can't rid of me. Um. I think it's probably best we move along from this subject because I've so much more to talk about, though, I mean, not just so what I was saying. Yeah, there's other things that we don't like. Yeah, so rattlesnakes are a big thing for me. Yeah, right, and people are like, oh man, it's just a snake. Yeah, demon serpants. There's something that and we talked about this with cow this week. There's something that is embedded in your soul that when you're walking and see and you see out of the corner of your eye a snake. I would assume nine percent of people jump, right, I would hope they do. And and then you add so just the thought or the look of a snake is scary, I guess. And I don't know where that comes from. It if it's a long I think it's almost an hereditary thing. My grandma hates snakes, my mom hate it's learned man, maybe it is. But I didn't mind snakes when I as a kid. I'd go out in the ditch and I'd catch them, we'd play with them. Like Grandma would freak out, my mom would freak out, I didn't mind him. And I think I just got this, like you know, in the last ten or fifteen years that and maybe it's just I think more about being and like I said, it's being bit by rousseas. Trip list is irrational fear. It's not irrational to be afraid of something that can then it can bite you and then jet poison into you that could cause loss of limb or life. It's not irrational fear. If you were, you know, being scared of heights, if you're inside of a building, or um in a plane or something like that. That might be it's irrational um, but there's no irrational fear, you know, crawling hidden serpent that could pop out of the bushes and take your leg off. Yeah, in a very painful way. Well, you know, and everyone has their like. I think there's a lot of wives tales out there about different things about snakes and ticks like, you know, I think there's a lot of people are like snake like. I know, my buddy up Bit, I've had a lot of bird dogs a bit, you know. I talked to again in New Mexico two years ago when we're down there elk hunting, and I don't know what type of a snake they are. It's a routs snake. They call them prairie rattlers, I think, or rock rattlers. And everyone I've seen down there, it's just they're not very picked. They're like, I don't know, maybe two ft long. They're thin. They call them rock rattlers down there. Anyway. Uh, we were down there hunting ilk two years ago and I had two pretty clear I would call him close encounters. You know. I was walking past the log and one buzzed at me and literally like six inches from my leg and walked past the snake. M like five six days later, I was tracking a bulleage shot been over looking for blood right at dusk, the same thing ran right into a rouse. Snake buzz me. So we go to this little town in New Mexico where we hunt, and we'd see him quite a few and uh, there's this one store there and I was asking I kind of know the owner because I've hunted there a few years in this area, and I was like, man, are the snakes just really bad this year? What I'm seeing a lot? He's like, well, I don't think any more than normal. But have you seen him? And I'm like, yeah, I've seen like I don't know four or five. Is that you kill him? I'm like no. My partner, Eric um Chester, he was with me and he's a reptile guy. Right. That sounds weird. My partners, my partner in my business, my life partner. You have a partner, all you and any partners as you want. That we're on the honeyglect We except all shapes. Anyway, He's he's a reptile guy. He likes to catch me. Caught those rattlesnakes in his hat. He's like, why would you kill him? Man, They're not doing anything to you. I'm like, man, he could have bit me anyway. So this guy was like, you kill every rattlesnake you see. If it's not you, it's the next guy that comes by her, a kid that comes by that it's gonna get bit by that thing. And need to continue to tell me the story of his brother in law that was bit ten or twelve years ago previous and two dude still has trouble getting out of bed in the morning because his joints are so messed up because of the rattlesnake bite. Yeah, like life altering, Like within a split second, your life could be altered for him. It's it's hard to manage that mentally, it's hard to manage this all of the probabilities in your life that are happening right now, things that could be going on that could and that could put you in danger in some way. Like what are the probabilities of this, this, this, and this? You're getting the vehicle you you know, we're just cutting up meat and there's knives around, their saws around. What are the probabilities of all these things happening, but some of the things that are are unlikely are just fucking scary. Man. And I'm I'm definitely afraid of snakes, but I certainly don't like them. I'm not somebody but ah snakes, no big deal. I'd rather avoid them if I could. But if I see one, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna run, but I'm certainly not gonna go pick it up. I've had I founded with folks before. They're like, I'll just go pick them up, you know, stas rattle snakes will just go stomp with their heads or something like. That's not That's not a door I'd like to open up. I'd like to leave that one closed. Yeah. Well, is it true that uh anti venom for the rattlesnake bite can be upboards of like tens of thousands of dollars? I don't know. I know that on a ranch often hunt in the near Eagle Pass, Texas, that in the Eagle Past, oh the er they don't administer because they can't afford it, so they have to evacue to San Antonio. Helicopter very expensive. So yeah, I don't know. Let's just say rattlesnakes are there. It's just they're a good represent station of this country. It is sneaky, dangerous, and it's it seems sometimes that's out to get you because there's cactus, there's fire ants, there's giant bounds, fire ants, sugars. Yeah, I was gonna say, we haven't the w and they don't. They can't really have like a long time like effect on you, right, Like can they give you a virus you haven't told me about. No, well they could give well, well, they can give you a virus that if it bites you, your skin falls off. Yeah, just a certain sugar if it bites you. You can't upload videos to YouTube. Sh is terrible, man, I know, I'm sorry. Things are south down here in Texas and they can't just not just Texas, but this landscape in general. I mean you go to Mexico and Arizona, this you know, this ah longitude. Well, now that I think about it, all these crazy things, and it's crazy to me because I didn't grow up around around rattle snakes. Yeah perspective, right, So, like I grew up in Idaho and Utah for the most part, and yeah, like the things I was worried about were rattlesnakes or grizzly bears. Where I used to LK hunt, there's a lot of grizzly bears and um never really thought about wolves or mountain lions, but mostly bears, you know, and and rattlesnakes and ticks like I've read and maybe this is another wives tale that I've heard, But I've read that the ticks and Idaho don't carry the lime disease. Is that true? I don't know. I don't know anybody personally that's uh ghutlines disease from Idaho, but I'm sure, I'm sure they do. But yeah, so I come down here and this is all new to me, well that I would say this, and it was new to me when I got here as well, and still is kind of a certain way. But um, as a culture, even or as people were obsessed with the the anomaly like that air occurrence, obsessed with those things because one because a lot of times they're special and a lot of times they're amazing, and sometimes they're insanely horrible. UM. And this the anomaly doesn't always inform like the way you should live your life. But in this case, there's just this a compounding number of anomalies that happen, like rattlesnake bites, viruses that sho's probably have colma virus. I don't believe it is that, but a tick that can take away your carnivor carnivorous nature. It's so terrible. Yeah, it's bizarre. Yeah, you're right, like things that things that seem impossible are very intriguing, right. And and then in this case, it's quite the storyline from hunting this place. But we've had an amazing hunt, I would say, and I like this place because we're you know, kind of allowed out on this private ranch and they just let us go and they say, you know, stalk around, find a buck you like, and go for it there. Because there's no seasons on exotic game and in Texas and so and this is the rut. Generally, the access to our spasmodic, so they don't all rut at one time, but this generally is the time of your most of the running activity happens. There's lined up in this area of the country, so you have access to your bucks running around, like you said, everywhere, and they're roaring, which is a bone chilling sound. It's crazy. I kept asking be like, if you had no education about access steer and you were just in the woods somewhere, I don't care where you were at. It could be Texas, it could be wherever you grew up Idaho. Because I know it, and you heard that sound, would you not think it wasn't a dinosaur, a velociraptor. I think, like, wow, sasquatch. Eh, yeah, no, it's it's so it's the landscape is familiar. But this animal, as much as I have haunted them in the past couple of years and talked about them on this podcast and everywhere else, they're still unfamiliar. Still getting to know them. I have many, many decades of many many have to have three decades of experience with white tail deer. So I'm not just getting to know them. I know a lot about them. I know how they see, you know how they think, and what they eat, how they travel, and a lot of deer species do the same things. But we got to watch a lot of access to here. They don't do a lot of the things that white tailed deer. Dude, and they're just intrigue for for a number of reasons. But that brings me to why you and I have hunted it together what twice? Now, Uh, we're not lifelong friends, have known each other for a little bit of time, um, in the industry, and we've had those two experiences, and both experiences had failure in them. Ah, my failure and some yours or whatever. I mean people other people in camp sense some success and some failure. All of these hunting camps are like that. And UM, I don't know. We sure do you talk about our success enough? Because that's exciting and that's something that we value. That's what we're here to do, and we'll and and we're excited and we want to tell those stories. But there are stories of failure. I think it is equally as important as our stories of success. And you and I haven't really talked all about that, but I find that that like as as I know, you appreciate the experience of honey as much as I do. And so for me, when I sail an arrow over a buck's back at forty five yards, I'm smiling. I'm I'm happy at that happened. I'm not I'm not upset that I didn't kill it. I much rather would have done that. But I don't look at it as something necessarily lost, sik at us an opportunity gained and I'll be better for the next one. Now you know we've both when we've hunted together wounded animals. Um, that's a whole different story. That's like the one thing that changes the game, because that affects the animal. Have you spook the animal in aarra, it doesn't affect too much. Um, So just talk about that, I mean talk about your you know, for me, I was in we were in Lenai a month ago for episode thirteen, and I had nothing but failure. I mean so much failure that I wasn't sure if I could draw my bow back just because I didn't want to let it down again, that's not we're shooting there And watched the access You're ducket again. Um, I came here and I had a media success first morning success boom. Well, I think it's important to talk about you. He had made mention of that after and I didn't realize that you had such a tough time in lnight trying to get a deer kill. I knew you didn't kill one, but um, you as soon as you, I mean do you had that first morning was absolutely amazing. We had a great, great morning hunt got into access to your learned it life lifetime of got a lifetime and knowledge of access deer. In that one morning we were close. We heard him calling. I saw him do all these things I never even knew they did. You shot a buck at forty yards and absolutely just made a perfect shot. Buck runs twenty forty yards, something tips over dead, like perfect scenario. And you I can't remember the exact quote or you're what you said exactly, but it was somewhere along the lines of man, all that, all those failures, and Lena, I really like honed me for this hunt like you were on it man like. I like, looking back now, I was like, man, Ben was dialed like the knew exactly what he needed to do, but knew exactly where he needed to place that arrow and it ended up being perfect. And that comes from all your failures that you had in Yeah, because you can't. You can't in the moment. You can't play them all back, right. If I was like, oh wait, deer, chill out, I have to replay all the moments to make sure I'm informed by them for this one, so I don't I don't fail. I don't feel giggs. I don't think I could do it. I don't think I can miss again or not get a shot again or whatever. Um. But yeah, I just I just remember thinking there's there's two types. I mean, and uh, guys like around me Warrem will tell you about just being an arrow, like being confident in knowing if you're not worried about whether your gears is gonna perform, you're not worry worth about you can do it. You're just worried about that where that arrow goes, and you just kind of become it and you know where it's gonna go. You know it's gonna be good. And I don't often have that. I get you eat a lot of failure and you doubt yourself and just leads to bad stuff. I tell people all the time, like the absolute worst thing for me anyway, like to go on a hunt is to not have confidence in my equip it meant and not have confidence in yourself. Yeah. If you go out with with those two things, you're you will not succeed. Yeah. And I had and I John Dudley telling me showed up to his place in Iowa with with a bow that wasn't sighted in and you know, I've got a travel's kidder that's crazy, and a job and a kid and life got crazy and I didn't shoot my bow as much as I should have, and I showed up there and he's just like, look, man, this is part of this like step your game up. You know, he was just honest with the step your game up. Um, He's like, I've huntled with you four or five times, and and the three times you showed up with a bow that you were confident with you killed stuff. And the times that you show up and you're like, I still need to shoot a little bit are the times where it's it gets you're thinking about other things. You're not comfortable with that stuff. So yeah, when you spend five days failing with a bow and with it the set up and with an animal, a certain type of animal, I mean, it sharpens you. If you were you know, if you just go out s see the first time, I'm sure you learn things and but there's no the level of frustration causes you to want to get better. And then you go out there kind of unwilling to feel that again, and that unwillingness sharpens everything. And you I was just pretty determined no, man, I saw it in your eyes, like and especially looking back and knowing like I said, I didn't know exactly just struggle you had over there in the and I trying to kill one of these deer. But yeah, looking back, I was like, no, I could be like, yeah, it was like you had that predator instinct in him, you know. And as I used to tell that to my dad, I remember, like I thought about this day and and in all honesty and fairness, I will be like, I have to tell you, like I am in a bad spot right now, Like I went through some stuff like when I left. So what happened I guess we can talk about that is I mean, um, the first day I didn't really hunt. I had just had so much fun following Ben and call around that I was like, I'll just run the camera and uh try to capture as much as this as I can because it was so much fun. And we we captured some amazing content. And so yesterday right it was the first day I hunted, and Bennett killed his deer, killed a deer, a buck, and uh Cal had some chances. And then yesterday morning we went to a location and we got in on the tier and it was my turn to be the shooter, I guess, and we got into this water hole. We basically stalked a buck for a while, and then we realized he's headed this water hole. Let's just me and Ben both looked at each other and said, we gotta get to the water hole. Beautiful, but one of the bigger ones we saw. So we gets the water hole. It's it was just awesome deer everywhere. It was drawn back on that one deer that we we spotted there or stalked there forty three yards never never presented a shot and dude, and and even to go back further. The reason I'm saying I'm in a bad spot is because my archery elk hunt in Idaho last year was rough. I called a bull in the very first day, I was by myself called a bull. In filmed the whole thing by myself called him. In got so worked up I I accidentally punched my trigger when I wasn't ready to shoot. Uh missed the bull. The arrow kind of like flopped off throto the side of him. I found the arrow, no no blood or hair. The bull is finally got ended up getting killed, and then we hunted seventeen days in a row with the Born and Raised crew, and Trevor killed a bull. Anyway the last second last day, I was like, Okay, it's it's my turn again, Like I'm gonna kill a bull, like it's feeling pretty down about my shooting, my abilities. Same thing, man, bull comes in and it's not my shooting, it's it's my mental game is way off. Anyway, bull comes into thirty five yards. I just made some serious, like mental mistakes and missed completely missed the bull, which was great, you know, and like you said earlier, like I can look at it and be like, no harm, no foul. But at the same time, I have an archery hunt it since then, I don't believe. And so I've been thinking about that from last six or eight, right, And I was the same thing, like I told myself, I'm gonna be better, I'm gonna shoot more, I'm gonna practice, I'm gonna figure this out. Like life happens, I don't get to shoot as much as I want to have four kids. My wife like, I shoot as much as I can. But so coming on this hunt, I shot. I probably knew about this for a week before we came down I shot every day, like, Okay, I gotta get the bowl out, shoot retuned it. Like I was feeling pretty good coming into this, shooting out to sixty five seventy yards at the house, but feeling pretty good about this anyway. So yesterday morning, um, wonderful morning. Buck never presents a show, runs off. Another buck comes in, beautiful buck, and he was he was kind of he knew it. The water hole. We just sat at that water hole. It was hot, it was like hundred degrees and we're like, we're just gonna stay at this water hole, will build a little blind, we'll see see what comes in and not, I don't know. Forty five minutes after we got settled in, here comes a big old fat velvet buck. Beautiful buck. Yeah. Like when I saw him, I was like, I don't ever Like, obviously, I don't know how to score an access to here. But it's never about scores, about my instant reaction to when I see an animal, is it is it? Do I get excited? Great? Big enough for me? And that's yeah, this is just for general practice. Its beautiful beautiful anyway comes in kind of knows something's up, spooks they barked just like an elk if you hunted before they bark for like a warning sign, like what are you like? Come out? He barked a few times. Um I got drawn back anyway, he runs out, says you have to shoot him when he stops, like this will be your own chance ranged him. Felt confident And all I've ever heard about access to your when you're shooting at him is they're kg little buggers, Like they will jump your string. I've heard that from guys at twenty yards, at thirty yards. I was at sixty five, and like, this thing is gonna jump my string. And I felt like mentally I was in it, like I wasn't like didn't have the quotation buck fever they call it. I felt like I really talked myself through this shot. You did too, And I was watched and i'm i'm, I'm I've seen access to your put their bellies in the dirt on a bowshot at yards. Yeah, to the point where there's no way you would have had to aim at the bottom of their stomach. That hit him in the backstrap. That's well, And that's what I did with this, I thought, And obviously I aimed a little bit too low, but sixty five. That's the last thing I said is this is a long shot. I'm comfortable with this shot. But at this shot, any animal jumped the string. Yeah. I have a short drawing, I have short arms. I'm not shooting a super fast bow. But that so the last thing I remember is just go low of his body like and maybe it was an inch is what I felt like. It was release zero And in my head, I'm like arrows sailing through the air and it slows down, you know. And now I think back, like I remember the thoughts I was having. I was like, that's a that's a dead buck, Like he's gonna sink right into it. Anyway, erro go flying and just you see it arching down and the deer never moved a muscle. He just statue. He just statuted me, like watch the ero go below it. Oh you had him. I was like, oh, here it goes. And then I saw that air dropping in to the boiler room. I thought, oh yeah, yeah, like he's gonna synk right into this scene. Never moved shot. I don't know right below. I mean I think you might have, you know, give a shave ship. Yeah it was close, but I mean, so for that experience. I was like, well that was I felt great about the shot. I talked myself through and that was. That's been my motto since last year, was just slow it down, talk yourself through this. You do it all summer long, you go to these total archery challenges and shoot, like, just slow it down and do that. I feel like I get rushed sometimes and I see an animal and you work so hard to do it sometimes that when you are presenting that opportunity you've been hunting for, it's like I've got to do it now. I've got to do it now else I'll never have that chance again. That I feel like I followed it anyway. I talked myself through it. That was a great shot. I just didn't do what I thought he was gonna do. Me and Ben talked about it. Ben, you were great by the way you were like, man, you did everything perfect. Don't worry about that. That was a great shot. That's what I would have done. Well. Then we're talking to the guy back at camp and he's like, no, no, actually, dear, do not they They'll they just stand there and take it. I'm like, really, I just I and I My response was listen, man, I've shot an arrow maybe ten access dear in my life, and not one of them stood there and took it. Y the ones that I've killed, one actually one I killed. I shot at them from so far away there's no way you canna heard the string, and lucky I got um. And this the one I shot the other day, it was full rut like he he didn't know anything, what's going on? We're lucky, lucky to have that, so he wouldn't go jomp any strings. But I missed two or three does and one and I were it just was. It was ridiculous, the amount that they would move in the short time frame that the air was in the air and it's headed their way. It's crazy. Yeah. So yeah, we get back to cam Tore like, oh no, let's sit take it. So then I'm like that's weighing on my head, like okay, so maybe I should just put it, you know. And I would never recommend now looking back, like you should never hold off the body. I don't think in case of that situation, like no, I should have held you know, you just read the animal. You just don't read the animal. I don't. For me. The thing that I've learned it just got to read the animal. And if that theor is looking at you. And then in the case of that dear he spooked off the water hole, he was looking at us. Yeah, and you're thinking, if he's on alert, he's he knows we're here, you know something's up, he's gonna be jumping. But if he's just drinking all he's just having a drink, he''s gonna take him a little bit more time to pick this up. And so you're just you're reading the animal, you're reading the situation. You're using your past experience to say, like is this going to is this gonna happen? What you know, how is this going to happen? And you're processing all of that and what is seconds? Seconds? And it The funny thing for me is that it's like I said, it's that sharpened mentality that that you can sluugh off. You're just slough off all that ship. It's like, well, I don't get Hildy ducks it or not, it's going it's gonna hit him. Um. That sounds like an overly simplistical way of thinking about it. But once you've had all the failures and those things have happened, then you're you're able to kind of just them up in your head just to say, like I've seen this for I know what this is, I know how this goes well, I know how this goes bad, and I am going to make it go well. I'm going to and that's going to happen. And you just and that goes down to practice too, right when it comes down to like a second comfortable Yeah, I think for practice, I mean it's just can't practice all that is for well, no, but I feel like for what practices that it's all repetition, right, it's muscle memory. In my opinion, shooting a bow is and so you do it enough and it's it's practicing correctly is a big thing too. And there I think there's a lot of things. I've been shooting a bow since I was eight years old. I'm thirty six years old. Like I've been seriously shooting a bow like with my dad my whole life basically. And I've hunted since I was twelve with a bow and been very fortunate to kill I think ten elk with my bow now, Like i feel like I'm not accomplished, but I feel like I'm a seasoned bow hunter. Yeah, let's I mean, that's a good point to make. And I would say this too. So much of what the bow hunting community is now is is about this. This glorifying of professional professional hunters is not the term, but but professional industry folks, guys that are on TV or on do this, UM on your case, on YouTube or wherever your platform is, and you have to be you don't have to be, but your your brands like you a lot better if you're an expert, and they like you a lot better if you're really good at it, because that that adds value to what you do. And it's almost like there's no room for a normal guy who's a serious bow hunter just feeling it out and gets all kinds of awesome opportunities and sometimes it makes it work, sometimes it doesn't work. UM and just tells that entire story. And I'm sure I imagine you would agree with the point that, like you and I are both just normal guys. We don't under percent it's normal. I don't. I'm terrible at a lot of things like my hand, eye coord name, my jump shot is ten year old girl, no fasted ten year old girls are a lot of them skilled, but they're draining three girls out there right now that are offended by what you just I'm sorry, ten year old girls, don't write into Ben and home Mark, don't be listening to podcasts. No, I would. That's what I would say is like I feel like people think that since we do this for a living, that we're like, yeah, there's like this professional yeah, like oh wait, hold on, you're making con YouTube or like whatever content, you're making hunting content and putting it out there and getting paid to dored bear. Yeah. I've never claimed to be I hate the word professional hunter. I don't. I feel like a professional hunter is somebody gets paid to go out and kill animals for the government. Like that's like terminology that's using pretty specially in Africa for yeah, and I don't know, like to keep it there. I don't use that terms specifically because it's it's it's a term that's using Africa and more appropriate there. But um, yeah, so I think there's this level that's my failure to me, is this like this important discussion? Um, and you think it would be in sports, failure is evident because most of us getting filmed or there's an audience that's watching it. Live and in hunting, nobody's watching, so you can shape the story however you want. Well, that's the thing too, and that's what I definitely wanted to talk about, is man, you know, there's three of us that do hush and and uh. We are all very normal people, like maybe even below normal. I don't know, below average guys never taking an AT test, Probably way below. But I would say, like on a scale of of hunters that have hunted a long time, I think we obviously we fall in that category. We've all hunted. We all were fortunate to have great dads that taught us how to hunt. We're kids since we've done it all our lives. But by no means have we ever like done anything to like put us like set as apart. I think there's guys out there, like I look at people like Adam green Tree and Rammy Warren for for sure, Like I look at those guys and I'm like, if I would ever use that or throw that term around like professional hunter, those guys would be it, because like I watched what they do and they're legit, like right, and they did. Those guys, I don't know that if they came to it. There's no application process. People see it and they know it and and that's how it works. But like like you say, you have a choice. When you're a content creator, you have a choice to present what story you guys have a choice to present. Edit out things that aren't flat, that aren't flattering. You have a choice to and eyes do I to just put up? Like you know, I put I made a post on the old instagrams there uh during the lane, I has just said I am terrible at this. And it was like if if if that was like a live sporting event and people had followed me for five days, Like I was like, you know, on a golf course and they're following my group on CBS or something, Jim Nance would be talking all types of ship on me, like bank can't drive, he can't putty, can't ship. He's falling down, he fell out of the golf cart, he ran into a lake. He's drunk. Jim Nance too. I wish we could get ym Nasces coming. If you're gonna find somebody that's gonna talk about you'd be be Chim names Jim Nance. I'd love to have Jim Nance calm and just be there, like I need who been there coming in. Benner Brand pulls the boll back, Harol falls off, and an armadillo bites in the foot. He falls over. We didn't even talk about the armadillos. I'm not going back to that conversation. Armadillos give you leprosy, Okay, people look it up, pick it up. There should be a waiver you have to sign before you come into the state of Texas. I know these things. Did you know you can get leprosy from a biblical plague, plague that wiped out billions of people, and I thought it was gone. I thought it was off. The hurt and leprosy doesn't mean like you turned green and go to Ireland. It means you just boil your skin, boils off. Let's talk about that from it. Did you know that? Though? Before? The other night before Ryan Callahan was trying to catch an armadillo and the guy said, don't do that, you get leprosy. I might have like it much like that rare meat. Diuse'se like I've read an article and then just going like a great oh an anomaly. Yeah, but again, let's not get but here you go anyway, Yes, public service announcement, don't play with the armadillo. It might give you leprosy. And if if you can't eat meat and you got leprosy, what can you do? Anyways? Like if Jim Nance came along from my Arla and I hunt, he would have been like he would have filing like Shane do orry you're having like Shane draw, he shoots, said, kills a buck and he gets a troupe. Are like down back to Ben O'Brien's group. Oh he's lost a boot. Why is he in the road? Why is he walking down the hard road like this guy? Because how I felt, I felt just like a a stooge. And um, I just felt like I wish all the people uh that would ever look at anything I ever did and hunting could see this right now, because they would be like, oh okay. A lot of them be like what a loser, But some of them be like that was a real guy. They're just just having a bad week. Man having a bad week. He knows what to do. I went to the nine last year and shot of a good bucket eighty yards and I thought, nanswermen like O'Brien takes the shots before the wind, he drives it and holding one and so I go back there this year kind of like nonchalantly thinking I want to get Henna something happened, ah, but it doesn't happen, And so I guess, you know, I really just wanted to want to talk about because I go it goes back to our hunt in Colorado, and I was coming off the same as you. I was in at the desirette Um a bunch of really great hunters, and I screwed the pooch on film and had to shot at Elk at thirty three yards in the ass and then had to go get a rifle and finish the mall. And I and I didn't have another bow hunt until in November. And when I showed up in October to hunt deer with you guys, I that's where I was at. And I was also just bow hunting good Ton and so I was like, wow, rifle easy, I'll just show up. They'll hand me this brand new weather being. Yeah, you're you're just a shooter. Peo peo pew and dead buck. Well le's if I say it was it was a joke. And wounded a buck and luckily tracked him down and shot him. Um, and then there was like that's two hunts in a row. That was the massive failures. After I had like six or seven hunts that were very very successful, and uh showed up to Iowa a couple of weeks after I was with you guys and and shot a good buck with the boat that wasn't out in because I had to buzz with a bunch of reasons, shot a good buck and had success. Um and then went to you know, I went to Mexico and a good cure. So anyway, we don't need the full list of things, but it's it's it's a I think for normal people with a lot of opportunities to go hunting, it's a it's up and down, up and down. Going back to the point you're making is yeah, we do have the choice to show what what we choose to show. But I have always been very um passionate and adamant, I should say, is the word that we show it how it is like, we have a really cool platform and it's not a TV show. It is on YouTube, and I like I like the way we do it because it's just like hanging out. I want the audience to feel like they're just hanging out with us, and so it's you know, not reality to TV. But it's not highly polished, highly produced stuff. It's just stuff we shoot ourselves a lot of times holding our own camera, filming ourselves what they call vlogging anyway, and and and we show it, and we want people to feel like they're just hanging out with us. We want people, I want people to feel like they are learning with us, because going back to us being very average people and maybe a little bit below average hunters, that we are learning as we're creating this content. We want the audience to be right there with us learning too, because there's a lot more average Joe's out there than there are studs like Remy Warrant or or Adam or uh Adam green Tree. But we I've always been very adamant about showing what goes on because I tell people all the time, and I we have people tell us, hey, man, I love the way you guys shoot it. I just always just feel like I'm there with you guys. I feel like I know you guys, like I've never met you in this might sound weird, but I feel like I know it. So I feel like it would be doing a giant in just service by editing out stuff that happened that maybe we don't want people to know about. And that's what I tell my partner's Brian and Eric, is you know, if we go into it and go into everything and it's not just this YouTube team we do, but if you do everything in life with a confidence that you think it's right. Do you think what you're doing is right? You should have nothing ever to hide. Right. You should your life should just be what you think is right. Maybe it's not right, but in your heart you're thinking it's That's why they say, like Zuckerberg's tap on your phone, I'm I don't give a ship get in there. Yeah, Like I always wonder that too, Like the people get so mad, I'm like, what are you hiding pictures of my son? And like you know, pictures of animals. Yeah, but guys, I have some pictures for you. But to go back to, uh, yeah, the honey thing. Like I tell Eric and Bryant, man, if we always go into every situation with hunting and say, hey, just do everything we think is right, then we should never have to cut anything out. Even though we get a hard time because we've showed a lot of a lot of misses or we've wounded animals and we've shown that and people are like, hey, like I thought you guys were supposed to be professional hunters and you wound animals all the time. I never see that on TV or so and so never does that. And I'm like, well, I don't know what so and so does, but I can tell you this. What you see is what really happens. Like I missed three what I would call awesome, the most beautiful access dear I've ever seen. I missed three of them this week, and I will show all of those. Yeah, and I didn't miss the last one. We have talked about this and I guess we're getting to it. But uh so anyway, yeah, so in my head that this this was last night, we go back out and I'm like, oh, so they don't jump the string, Like maybe they're a little different on this ranch. And that's what I was talking about, was like, look, this is a different place, a different ranch. These animals don't see a lot of folks. There's a lot of white tail hunters here, turkey hunters, um. But at some corners of this ranch where we were, you know, they let us out of the truck and let us go walking around to do our to just freelance to our thing. You know, maybe that these deer just are a little more comfortable than the ones uh in lan I or but maybe they just are wired a little bit differently. They have been pushed around as much um and maybe their nature is just a little bit dulled, because I do feel by nature that these these deers just a little bit more switched on. Yeah, so we're like, okay, yeah, you know, makes sense that one didn't jump the string go back to the same water hole. We we kind even knew the program because we'd watch these deer for so long and there was just an absolute ton of deer in there anyway. So we get set up on the water hole pretty early, had some deer come by. I had a ton of action come by anyway, about six o'clock magical hour or whatever, just like clockwork, just another beautiful buck comes in. And we had been set up on this road and then there was a fence on the other side of the road and the water hole set to our direct left. What I mean Ben saw in the morning was when these deer come out of the trees and go to the water hole, the majority of them would jump the fence and land on the road and then walk down this little funnel into the water hole. And so the way we set up our blind was behind the fence. This was going through my head. I don't know if you were thinking about this, but I was like, this is perfect because if they come and jump the fence where they were this morning when they jumped the fence there behind a tree, and they can't hear very well with them with their hooves landing on the gravel. So that's a great time to draw your bow. They walk out of the tree twenty yards it's easy. Yeah. So what we learned pretty early was the deer weren't doing our program. They were coming in behind us. So yeah, the problem is there's so many deer and they all want to get a drink with a hundred degrees and they're coming from every conceivable. So you have, yeah, deer coming in behind you barking at you that are scaring the other deer there supposed to be coming in anyway, it was fun that we had a blast. We had deer come in. We I think we ended up sitting on one of the most popular trails too could travel to the water hole because we had bucks that showed up like four yards away from us, and we're like wow, were like, maybe we're a little too close anyway, So finally this tear comes and jumps the fence. He he read the script like we wanted, jumps the fence, lands on the road. I draw my bow back and perfectly, and as soon as he lands, he decided he was going to run through the shooting window I had and just run to the water holes fast that he could. So he jumps the fence. I'm getting excited, like this is gonna work out just like we planned, like twenty yards shot, like and and in my head, I'm thinking about these things, like I'm thinking about my Missus from last year. I'm thinking about that sixty yard shot I took in the morning. Oh and there was a deer I missed at fifty two yards before that that came into the water hole. Okay, yeah, so this is a big part of the stories. Came into the water hole and it was fifty two yards and arrange him. He was a little on alert, ranged him and and uh Ben got the camera set up the best way he could and uh you can get you'll see if you watch the Hushing channel. You'll see the great a great oak tree. Yeah, I filmed during and that's it. He was drinking. I thought I had him dead dead right, Like I I felt very confident with that shot as well, aimed right at him, and he was, like I said, on un alert a little bit. But I felt like as soon as I touched that trigger, like yeah, he had spun in a D and eighty degree obviously and was running away before my arrow over got to where he was at, I was just like, oh wow, Like and I didn't think much of I just like what do you do there? Like? He just well, we kept talking about It's like, dude, you gotta you know, this is just a race that remembers you didn't do anything wrong. You didn't jump the trigger, you didn't make a bad shot, you didn't rush it, do anything. It's like this. Continue to go and and and make these decisions and and so far they're all have been the right. Well and you're not. You didn't go to a knee when you shouldn't have. If you didn't, you lose your form. You didn't you know, try to watch the arrow. I was staying right, sigeant tell all those things. But then you know, here's the situation where you do everything right and still and still you have no control. Yeah, and I think that's a good thing to make mention of. Is man Like, these are wild animals. They do some pretty crazy things. They survive in this country. Like all those things we just talked about that I'm definitely afraid of and worried about. They survived that three sixty five days a year, ticks, rattlesnakes, all that. Anyway, So yeah, they're gonna win something, right. I don't feel like we lost. They just win something. Well, that's what. Yeah. Sometimes it just goes their way and that's honey, it shouldn't be. And I get that anyway. So that's in my head. But I didn't think much of it. Like you said, I think feel like we do everything right. So this deer reads the program and he reads the script and it's following the program we want. And he jumps a fence and like I said, he was supposed to jump and land on the road like most of them, to stop, look around, and then walk out of the pine. When I'm at full draw or it's not a pine tree, walk out of the tree at full draw twenty two yards. I think it was what it ranged at. Shoot him, and and then in my head, I'm like, Okay, this is that shot I need. I need that confidence builder where I pulled back. I'm good for a while. I feel good. You know, it gets solid. Fifteen seconds, twenty seconds, You're feeling good. You're thinking about these things. He walks out, you make a noise, wait for him to stop, you shoot him, make a perfect shot, and you watch him die. Yeah. Well he jumps a fence and all this stuff going through my head, and for some reason, in my head, I think there was some other deer there. I think he was trying to be the aggressor. And so he jumps a fence and just runs to the water hole as fast as you can, and all the other deer runaway. So now you have this opportunity that you visualized and you're prepared for it, and you're drawn and it's like I got it. Damn Yeah. I was like what I was like, what is this? Where's he going? And he gets to the water hole and once again like he goes to the water hole search feeding, and he was not on high alard at all. I didn't think he wasn't at all. He's drinking. Yeah, And I had ranged that spot and it was thirty one yards. And I would say this about highlard. I think any animal a lot of unglods, but but acts deer inarticular are on high alard at some level. Try it all the time, but definitely in a water hole. He wasn't looking around. He wasn't like barking like some had been. He wasn't looking at us. No, he wasn't looking at us. I think he spooked those deer off and he was kind of just watching them and then he went to go water. He was thirty one yards. I was set at thirty yards like I'm like, show me your pin afterwards like yeah, I'm like okay, Like it's not the twenty yards shop at the third yard. This is like the shot was it was. It felt good, like all right. I was like you wanna Ben been rounding the camera and all those things are on ahead, and I'm like, okay, put the pen exactly where you want to hit thirty one yards. You know he's not looking at us, like you know, we had just been told they don't duck. I'm like, all right, perfect, settled the pen, felt comfortable. Remember checking my bubble. I remember, I remember thinking, just follow through. I shoot and instantly like I'm like, whoa, he moved a lot and him running away. My initial reaction was damn it, like I just made a bad shot because I could see the arrow and to me, it looked like the arrow had gone through just above it. Look to me, it looked like he went through his backstrap just below the spine and it was sticking out the other side with the fletching still embedded in his in his hide and it it was super high. And I was just like, oh, great, nice Ben, He's like yeah, it sounded good like And so then we watched the video back and try to figure out where he ran. Ben founded two drops of blood and we tracked around for two two and a half three hours until they can't pick up but um watching and it was weird, like the video was weird, like at one point we're like, oh, you smoked him or perfect shot. Oh you hit him high, high shoulder, and then it was like you might hit him in the backstrap. Bro, It's tough to see on that little camera. But brought the footage back, watched it on the laptop. The first time we watched we were like, yeah, dude, literally his belly hit the ground. Well, not only did belly hit the ground, but his haunches went down and he was like turning his body. And I've seen that a lot with access there. I've seen that arrow gets there and their body is contorted and your arrow might hit him. You might be aiming for their long you know, front shoulder, and you might hit him at the top of the spot, right at their tail. Yeah, there's so much They're turning and ducky in the same time, so they're they're reacting in the natural wind and and ducking and turning and so yeah, man, we found zero drops of blood, Like, well, we found two little drops of blood right where we knew we ran and then watch the video and Saltwary went out of sight and tracked around and saw nothing, I mean nothing, and then came back here and got with the crew and then looked at the video and it was pretty apparent that they're kind of like entered right at his backstrap and kicked up and just got it was just under the high and it was sticking straight up in the air as he was running, and so we're reading that as a pass through it. Well, it was. It wouldn't even it barely looked like a barely nicked him, you know, just got in some meat just inside hot. And so now if you got to you know, you've got this. And and the rule here is if you if you draw blood, that's your tag. Yeah, that's your animals, your that's your animal. Which which is which changed the game in a good way? Well, yeah, because if you get a bunch of eight holes like me run around flean arrows and everything, and you're not gonna have animals. Yeah. Yeah, it's a great little lotter of ranches are like that. So and I accepted. I'm just like, yeah, it is what it is, like it sucks, but you know, I was like, hey, you know, watching the video back, it's like, you know, I think a lot of times when you shoot at an animal, they don't know what's going on. They don't know what that sound is. They just hear something and they might feel a little prick or a little poke and they run off. And sometimes they think, you know, especially now with what I'm running, they might think, oh it's a it was another buck that like came in behind me, sparred me or something. So I was in my head. I'm like, oh, I bet that animal, that buck will come back in the morning. You know they're rutting hard. He's not gonna leave. So we went back and sat and he never came in. But had another phenomenal morning. But when I was going with this, when I was telling you, like I had this little experience when I, uh so, today was like meat hunting day for me, like, hopefully this buck comes in. If not, um, I had a chance to kill it though as well. And that's you know, my wife has been like you better bring something home because we're fresh out of steaks at the Butler household right now. Anyway, so today was meat hunting there for me and uh we had a phenomenal morning Cal. We watched Cal shoot a beautiful access deer which is stickbow. Like, I don't think a lot of games that the long bow the long bow. I don't think there's a lot of games out there doing that. I've never seen it. Yeah, it's it ain't easy. So another phenomenal morning we do. We took a rifle with us. We're like, hey, worst case scenario, like, uh yeah, let's we'll take the rifle and we can shoot a couple of those with it, and um Cal shot his buck and then shot a doe with the with the rifle and it was super fun. And then I was like, Hey, I'm gonna walk up on this hill where we we'd seen a big group going and uh, see if I can find it, don't shoot one. Well I got up there and there was a lot of deer up there, and uh I snuck in. It was super fun there and there was literally hundreds of deer and I was like, and the problem was was I was trying to find a dough that was not covered up by another by another animal or there was an animal behind her, and dude, I had opportunities to shoot those and I couldn't do it. I was too worried about missing. It was running through my head so strongly like that I was, and I there was a point that I stopped. I'm like, man, this is bad. I'm in a bad place, like and they and they were eighty yards away with a rifle. Yeah yeah, And I could see it in you too, And but I got there just a couple like three weeks ago, to the point where like you, when you draw your back, I hope this doesn't go bad. And that is the exact thing that leads it to to going bad. And when you're lucky enough to go, you know, have a pretty packed hunting schedule that that just snowballs and it gets to the point where your practice becomes lacka days ago because you're thinking about like the agony of this thing. And I think a lot of ways that's why hunting we love it so much, because we can't experience this like pretty acute agony that comes from having this desire to get this thing, and and and the wounding of an animal in and of itself is a terrible thing, terrible feeling. You feel almost better, it's like it's just a flesh when you feel better, but still um. When I shot that elkin, and even when it was and I knew we were going to kill with a rifle, I was just thinking, man, if somebody shot me in the guts with an arrow. I don't know if that's compassion or some sort of just reflection or what that feeling is, how you would judge that feeling. But it's intense ship it's not it's no joke, and it doesn't feel good and you and you're just like, I don't want to feel that again and I don't want that animal to feel that again. And it's almost you know, I don't know if I want to fling this arrow. Well, I think it's important and maybe that's why we have to go through some of these times. Is I think it's important that you recognize that you still have that you still feel that compassion. Like we've been able to hunt. We're very fortunate people and being able to you know, travel all over and do a lot of hunting and kill a lot of animals. And I feel like if you ever lost that, that's probably a good time to like reconsider a re establish. Yeah, And I think your passion for why you're hunting because and I don't know it if it's yeah, compassion for the animal. And that's the way I feel. It's the way I look at it is. You know, I always think this, this animal is living right now, and with one action, I can make his make that animal's life end. And I want to do it the fastest way possible. Yeah, I want to make the very best shot and so it doesn't feel it. And I don't think animals think those same way humans do, like oh my gosh, I've just been shot, like they feel steeing, they run off and they don't know what's going on. They're like, oh, I'm sick, I better lay down, yeah, and then hopefully they die quick. But yeah, So I got to the spot where I was, I couldn't get myself to pull the trigger. I was too worried. I was too worried about missing the deer. I was too worried about hitting the deer in a bad spot. And then me being like, really, like what the hell am I doing out here? Like I shouldn't be out here, And it took me. I was up there for what twenty minutes. I was on those deer within like two minutes of leaving you guys for five minutes, and I was trying to get myself to pull the damn trigger. And finally I was just like, I can do this. I've done this before numerous times, and just calm down a little bit and kill it still. Yeah, and I shot it. In a long story short, I get down there and I heard the whack. But after you've gone through a number of these experiences, this is where it goes back to the two most important things for me anyways, when I go on a hunt, is being comfortable or being confident in my equipment and being confident in myself r. Yeah, and like you said, I've lost that. Yeah, you'll lose it because you just start questioning everything. Yeah, because and that's like these this stuff is so intense that and it should be in tense. And I think if you were here, just like if you were here just shooting from meat only right, um, it probably wouldn't be as intense if and if you're here just trophy hunting, it probably wouldn't be as intense because objectively, those things make you look at the animal differently. But when you're here for this experience and you and the experience is important and you and you want that experience to be full in a way that ends with the you know, the proper result, the result that should that it should end. And like you're the you're the one who makes it happen one way or the other. It's either a good experience or about or a good result or a bad experience separate from that. And so those connections, man, when you're truly just in it for the the experience, the results, when they're bad, man, they just get in your head and continue to eat at you and for me too, I like, I'm sure you're saying, well, even you wound something, you're sick about it for months. I was sick about that Elk for months, still am, And yeah he's dead. I hate him. He's hanging on my wall. Um. But this is that like in thebility, you know when when Michael Jordan's misses a jump shot, no big deal. Yeah, no one or nothing is directly affect Maybe some guys gambling on the camp, but whatever affective. And that's why we've chosen I don't know, maybe why we've chosen this thing because it is It is such an it is such a visceral thing to have to do, and sometimes I'm thinking like, hey, maybe that maybe I chose it, and I'm so I feel like such a better person for having done it because it is this way. If it wasn't this way, I'd have to quit doing it. Like if the missing and the failure wasn't such a gut wrencher Man, I walk away right now because that, Yeah, I don't. I know guys, and I've talked to people and I hear stories. You know, they'll go out and for whatever reason wound four or five different you know, critters in his season, and man, we'll get them next year. Like I feel like, obviously we're on the same page, Riot, but we have we have a very uh we hold the responsibility of taking an animal really high, right, Like it's still very important for the purposes of it. But like you say, like killing animal e and meat is I think the benefit of being able to go out and hunt. But you have to enjoy all of it, enjoy the experience. Yet, I mean, you can't honestly say, and I've said this before, it as I hunt to eat. That's true. I eat everything I hunt, and I love the fact that I don't have to go to the grocery store by red meat to feed in the family. We have it. But if you don't enjoy the whole process of the hunt or of hunting, then you're missing out. And when I say the whole process, I mean everything this stuff that we're talking out is part of the process. It's getting ready for a hunt. It's it could be getting a bow ready, it could be scouting, it could be getting time off work, it could be convincing your wife that you can go on attendee hunt. Whatever it is, it's the whole experience. And then then you have the hunt itself and you go through these you have these experiences that we're talking about and they're the lows, but don't like doesn't also get you, Like we're getting real deep down the rabbit hole now, but it doesn't get you. It gives your perspective possible or an arm or an armed deal, give fucking leprosy from this I'm talking about that. I think it gives you perspective in your daily life. Like people I know that are that really are into hunting and into it for what I believe or like the most the right reasons, of the enriching reasons are people that have this, you know, incredibly pragmatic approach to life. Like you kind of see you can see a little bit. You can see the thin veneer of bullshit a lot of times because you have been in the situations where you work so hard for something and it's not a drive to the green that if you shank it in the weeds, nobody cares. It's not a race that you want are lost. It's not. It's just not. And and whether you know, people can make comparisons to other activities that are leisure activities, which this at some level is it is um because we're not hungry. We're going hunting people that can have a sandwich, but we're not starving, and like that's just the end result is serious, really serious in a lot of ways. So I don't know, and I think it's just when somebody's training very hard for the Olympics, it has a big impact on their life and and an ancillery impact on the lives of others, but they're not they're not killing something. Well, yeah, I guess a good way to think about it. And when you just said what you said, it made me think about like you never you work a lot. You work hard at a lot of things in your life, like a career, it could be your marriage, it could be being a good dad, like you work hard at different things, or being good at you know, a sport, but none of Like we work really hard and prepare and try to prepare as best as we can so that we can take an animal's life. That's when we are what you know, success that we can talk about what levels of success a hunt can be if you don't kill some whatever. But like to to get to the point that we're trying to get and when we finally get to that point. That's an animal time. That is the point we're trying to ye like like wait, hold on, you just spent how much money and how much time shot all those arrows went to all these shoots all over the country, bought all this expensive equipment like something that to get to a point where you take something's life. I understand sometimes, like why people look at this sport if we if we don't do a good job of promoting and say, man, that's pretty messed up. Yeah. I get that too, Yeah, and I think I think it's mess They things messed up because of the reasons that you do it. That's why you're always talking about reasoning and we're talking about value systems. And I think that's why we're always talking about that stuff because god sakes, we're killing stuff like today that dough you shot, like she we watched the life fucking be gone from her eyes. We watched three lives. I mean watched them, not just like came up on them. Yeah, we watched the whole watch like looking in their eyes to see when their eyes are dull instead of life, life, full of life, or like lifeless. Man, that's heavy. And if you're listen, I'm not saying you're messed up, but I'm saying if you're celebrating at that moment, like if you mean even cow stood over his buck and just kind of like looking at each other, like we weren't talking about the shot, which was amazing, or the fact that, yeah, Ryan Callahan shot him giant access buck with a long stick, which is amazing. And we were there, yeah, and we were that's what we were there to do, and we were like that was what was laying on the ground dying was success and um like we didn't we weren't unpack and all that. We were just looking at this deer like, holy ship, this thing is dying at our feet. And that's not something to jump around about. It's not something too pumped your fist about. Something to just take in and at some levels learned from. But it's definitely not something that it's success. And like maybe the worst way, it's like we're reluctantly we just did this, but and we want to do it and we're happy we did it, but this thing is dead now or it's dying, it's fucking sufferings. You know that's not good. We whitewashed that out of our minds when we go hunting, probably for a lot of reasons, because it's a heavy thing that even talk about for me right now, um, and so maybe we just ignore it for that reason. Yeah, I think, I mean fortunately, like the way it usually goes down is you're shoot an animal from a hundred two hundred yards away with a rifle, or you shoot elk with your bow at forty yards and they run off and die in the trees exactly exactly, and you don't I feel like we we talked about all the time that that that sucks sometimes, like I don't like to see that happened, Like I like to see the animal death. I don't want sometimes don't want to be there when it has has to happen. Right. Well, and think about I've taken new hunters. I think the one thing that's consistent with new hunters, I've taken a few here recently took one young lady who we shot a havelina and it was kicking around and all she could say to me was like, make stop, make stop, make stopping stop. I'm like, it's you know, it's die, it's just nerves. It's dead. But that's that's it. That's death. Yeah, and if every time you ate a hamburg you had to watch the fucking life go out of the eyes of the cow boy, hamburgers would taste different. Well you know that's I guess that's why I feel, uh such a responsibility with what we do is um we put When I say we put everything out there, how it's how it happens. I mean I take that pretty serious because I think that's important. Like I think it's important not only for our audience, but I think it's important for like my wife, my kids. Like my wife didn't understand hunting, like she grew up in a hunting family, her dad hunted, her grandparents hunted. You know, we've been married for fourteen years, but she didn't understand like the seriousness that I take hunting, I guess until we started making these once. So I created the Hush Channel and started making these videos and then I would make her watch everything before I like upload and be like what seems cheesy? She should be like in tears, be like I didn't know this was what this was about. I didn't know how like emotional and like like not spiritual, but like she's like, man, I feel this, like I'll never do this, but I get I thought you said she she grew up in a hunting family and she didn't know it. Imagine when people growing up in non hunting families, they only hear bad things about it. Yeah, yeah, No, my brother is not a hunter. I don't think it's like an anti hundred's not to hunter. And he has problems with a lot of things that go on the hunting community. Like he's got on me shooting foxes before because I doesn't understand we're not eating those things. I don't understand it. And he went to Africa with me probably five years ago, and my dad was there. My dad and I grew up hunting together. My brother never went with us. And um my dad shoots his CUTO. I'm on the other side of this flat and I run over. My brothers with me. I run over. The cute is still alive. My dad's like trying to get down the hill and load his gun, and I just look at him, and he just, you know, gives me a kind of like the shoot this thing. So I just walk up and put my rifle on his neck and shoot. I didn't be like, hey man, I'm gonna put it out. It's misery. It's just like very mechanical just and reacting another round, you know, fist pump, my dad talking to the guide. Everybody's happy. There's qudo on the ground, and my brothers are crying on them, you know, like not crying, but it's like tearing up on the hillside. And like, I just think he was expecting more reverence than for me to just like charge up to it and just put a hole in and kill it. I think maybe he was expecting something different, but even at that time, I wasn't raised to have like some different reaction than just to mechanically, robotically just see you. Um. And so I don't I think those things are good. I think I oftentimes like shooting an animal and I always thank you, But I ofttimes I think I'm just doing that because I think I need to do it. I'm not really doing I'm just saying thank you because I like people are there and I want him to think that's what I think. Yeah, But I also think that I mean, I agree, I think a lot of times some things are done be uh because of a camera that's on you, or you know, if you never said a word to that animal and you're with this group MEU and cow like, I know that you appreciate that animal obviously, but we fall into that trap up with me and that's the right thing to do, you know. Yeah. And it's just like a lot of things we do that are just going through the options. Yeah, I was happy we experienced that today. Man, I'm happy I can look back on this hunt and say I'm happy about everything I've experienced, like the ups of the downs. Like, man, just learning about the access here has been there's been the highlight of the trip. Not the highlight of the trip, but it's been worth the trip, just being like everyone always wants to know, like how how how can I be a better elk hunter? How can I be a better deer hunter? Go spend time with the animals, Go be with them. That's why this is Like you want some spot and stock training, Oh my goodness, you want to you want some mid season Like if you're an elk hunter and you you get one chance a year to go hunt, and you get one or two shots, and you're just wondering, like how could I train for this? Look up Canyon Ranch, Canyon Ranch. Agree. I used to tell people that all the time about about Kyot hunting, Like why do you like, what's the purpose of kia hunting. It's like, well, I feel like we need to, you know, manage the predator population obviously in certain areas, and um to like, if you want to become efficient with a weapon, especially a rifle, go use it a lot in real life situations, like trying to get on a running coyote if you're calling him in, or trying to stock and access buck with your bow, or even learning how to shoot out. I don't sit many blinds. I've tried. I've never been successful. And when I say try, I mean for elk or for deer. Man. I learned how to sit a blind and what to do and how to build a when to draw and yeah, when to draw not to draw, Like if you want to get it better or something, do it a lot. Yeah, no, for sure, And and this these these are opportunities to do that. And then you know, in the same way, you're just out there thinking, you know, this isn't training, but this is. It's there's so many deer, and they're so they were so predictable. When this heat and we were coming down, they were like, man, this hundred grees is gonna be tough, and I'm like, no, this is good because we can get in between the thing they need and and where they're headed and just get right in between them and there. And I'll keep coming to it because they have to and that's what we will, well what we encounter, and you just don't. That's just not often the case. And uh, you could go on with a lot of meat. You come to a cool place like this and give a bunch of chicker bytes. Yeah, I mean, I don't think I could if I wanted you. I gotta stop issuing those things. Man, Oh my god, yourself. I can't not. We're gonna put oven miss on the driveall. I can'tnot not In some that makes sense. Now, it's been Yeah, this has been I mean every hunt I look back on and I'm just grateful U for the opportunity to be able to go out and do it one but for to the experiences I've learned. And we didn't really dive into it. We kind of got a little deep. But man, I tell people all the time, like some of the most important lessons I've learned in life has been out in the I've been out in the woods, been doing something that you know, you go through something hunting and you miss an animal, and you know, you start thinking about things and you're like, oh, well that really applies to me being a dad or me being a better husband. Like I get I get this because of I had this experience out in the woods. Like might sound cheesy, but it's true. It's a hundred percent true. And I tell my wife this all the time, and she gets it now after we're watching some re visions, Like I get it, Like it's not just about being out there and shooting an animal and bringing meat home so we can have steaks and you know, on the on the grill, it's a it's a spiritual I don't I'd like to use that word because whatever spirit you know you want to believe in or whatever, Like people feel different spirituality levels, but it's a very emotional spiritual like powerful thing taking a life. Yeah. And I think we, you know, we spent a lot of time this week drinking beers around the table talking about like our frustrations with things um and what we see in others and hunting that we don't necessarily enjoy. And I think we do that because you get to that level where you are so invested in you have his experiences, and you see people that you'd like to say, like, hey, man, if you just didn't worry about that buck being thirty five inches and over, you know, what are you here to do. I'm here to get a thirty five inch over access buck. Like, well, bro, you want to miss a lot, you might get that thirty six inchure. You might put it on your all. People might say, well, tell me a story about that, and it'll be a pretty short one. Well, the same things like I'm just here to shoot a couple of met animals. Man, there's more more. There's more than that. And so I think that our frustration has probably just come from this is like, man, we got something really awesome here. You're doing the same thing we're doing. Well, we're doing different things. That makes any sense at all, Like if we're out there hunting, we're both hunting, but we're not both doing same thing. Well, I would say that like this, like if you're chasing a number, uh, you will never feel satisfied. I don't think because numbers there's always a bigger number, right. Oh yeah, It's like when I tell people about like I didn't make any decision to do YouTube full time instead of work at the steel mill anymore. And they're like, well, how can I do that? It's like, why do you want to do that? Why do you want to create content and whatever content that might be, Well, I want to make make money. It's like, if you're chasing money, man, you'll never satisfy because you can always make more money. Make a million dollars, I want to make two million dollars. But if you do it in a purpose because you're passionate about it, Like that's where I think all the money in the world, Like it doesn't matter if you have all the money in the world or good good phrase I've I just heard recently is if money wasn't an object, money didn't matter, you didn't need money to strive, would you be doing what you're doing right now currently? If you can say yes, then I think honest with yourself, like and you can say yeah, I'm successful. Same thing with honey, Like if you're just chasing to shoot a you know, I think about elk and deer. That's because that's where I what I have, where I grew up. But you want to shoot a two commune or a fo bowl, because then you'll be satisfied. You shoot one and I guess what, there's a four ten out there somebody just shot. I know some people very well, and if I said their name, is a lot of people everybody with who I'm talking about, Yeah, that are like I have to everywhere I go, I have to shoot a boon and crack of the animal, like in the in their things to travel around the world and having to like that's the goal is to get twenty seven number how many ever of them there are. These are not bad people, and they're very good hunters and conscience of hunters. They're not bad people, but this thing is shifted for them does something different. But if you're not enjoying the process of it, and you're not passionate about the process, and that's I think that's an important thing. If you're not passionate about everything it takes to be a hunter, then you're missing it. You're missing a big portion of it anyways. And the same thing with eating meat, like you said, man, like, if you're just going out for to kill an animal to eat it, like you're missing a big part of it. You are. You are And that's why always said, like those things are byproducts of hunting, meat and antlers and conservation or all things we talked about. But they're all just like these things that happen as a result of hunting, like they just happened as a result of hunting. Hunting is the process that leads to those results, but it isn't those results in and of itself, Like those things are separate. And uh, you know, we come here, we learn about ticks, We learn about these things we want to learn about rather not know about that damn it list about armadillos. We should say again, armadillo's give you leprosy. Leprosy people, if you're gonna gets don't know what leprosy idiots read the Bible, stop playing with larmadillos. You see you on the side of the road, swerve and hit it and chiggers. Man, I am, I will go home. I feel like I'm pretty confident I'm gonna go back to Idaho and be one of maybe a few that know about the lone star tick and know about what chigger bites feel like, and know about leprosy. Next spring turkey season, Idaho, You'll be like, there no jiggers here. I'm gonna Yeah, this place is awesome. Pants will be optional next year. Yeah, you're just gonna you'll still have the scars from your current chiggers, you know. I'm like, they're terrible. Well, we were getting all deep and have this conversations. Case He's over here just scratching his legs and I'm glad you don't videotape this. I don't just this, this doesn't belong. Well, I don't guess you can't because I haven't been wearing pants this whole time. I'm wearing two pairs of pants. Then put my pants on because he thought, Yeah, like somebody's gonna be wearing these things. Casey, I was gonna ask you to close it out. I was thinking about, like asking about what's the one thing you would tell people that want to do what you do, which is of course get hushing the YouTube channel content channel um that follows you guys around in your lives and outdoors. But is there one thing? I mean, I think you maybe already said it, but is there something that because you made the jump from a nine job that wasn't your passion, to chase your passion. And a lot of people do this and fails, some succeed, But I think they're the outliers, are the one a succeed because it's tough. Is there something that you would just say if you know, if you do this, you'll win, If you do this, you'll you'll be happy. Yeah. I mean there's a lot of things I could do, a lot of things I would like to say. But if there was one thing that I could tell you that would help you become successful, is do it for This is gonna be a cliche. Anything I can say it and it's gonna be cliche, but like, do it for the right reason. And you have to figure out what the right reason is because once again, if you're doing it to make money or if you're doing it to become I hate this word famous, then you will you can never reach that because that's only an opinion like oh yeah I'm rich, Like what's rich anymore? And you'll always be chasing money. But do it because you're passionate about what you're creating. And if you do it that, If you do that, it doesn't matter how many people watch, it doesn't how many use you get, it doesn't matter how many brand brands want to work with you. If you're doing it because you love the content, you're creating and you're passionate about it. You win, you're successful, and you will create better content because you're passionate. And often a whole lot of money ruins that passion. I say that a lot. Can you edit out? Like we're going to add him in? I said it probably twenty eight times, at least cut for fourteen of them out. I'm gonna be like, hey, Case, you're gonna just dub it in chat? Do you like those chicker ritescent? There's probably things that I say a lot when you do this. I listened to Jurgen's podcast but every day, and there's things he says that you just said you want to say, Man, hey, but yeah, when you talk for a little bits that what is brains not big enough? Told them too many. When I'm on a camera, it's different. I don't know why. Maybe I can see my mouth movie because I'm usually watching what I'm what I'm filming. But when I'm on these podcasts and you guys don't film them like I've been on a couple an go back and listen to him, I'm like, man, people, I feel like ming podcast is fine, but it just makes you a little bit more aware. Like you're aware of your movements. Like we're literally just sitting in like a kind of dumpy little room. Hey, this was my room for the last three days. It's nice. I mean, there's just random. It's like a like a nine eighties. It's kind of like maybe if like before Scarface got rich. You know, there's like some very ornate photos of wildlife. I just noticed there's a picture of a very poorly drawn cheetah behind you, and behind that's a picture of very portant lion and then a zebra. They have gold uh, and there's like a candle labra. There's a candle labara on the wall that looks like it might have come off like the set of like The First Night. You remember that movie where it was like because Richard Gere was a Sir Lancelot. So this there a little candle labara that came from that set. And then there's a dirty empty a fireplace. Yeah, it's just you know what's funny, it's I haven't noticed a lot of these things about this room, and now I'm looking around, I'm like this, you clearly have some sort of tick fever that Yeah, I've been preoccupied with my sugar bites on my legs, I guess anyway, that's it. That's all. That's all I have to say. Thanks man, this is a fun week. Oh man, I I I. All I can say is thank you, thanks for inviting me to come down here. Yeah, I've had an absolute flash. You're you're gonna like you know, we try to get out and hunt with with all of our sponsors at least once a year, and uh, this is our second hunt, and I hope we continue to do more because do you I hunt. I've hunting with a lot of people in my life and uh, you know there's some people that you choose to hunt with. You're not one of them. So I just want to You're a piece of ship. No. It's the funny thing is and I made a post about this a while back, like, I feel like the best way for me to get to know somebody is to take him out to do something you love, right, that's honey, and we both love that for me. We met know Brian and Ben O'Brien works for Eddie and so you know, he was our contact with Yeddie and Unities, one of our sponsors, and and we've been working together for a couple of years and it was like, oh, let's go, Let's take Ben O'Brien out from Eddie on this deer hunt we do every year. And in my head, I'm like, Ben's cool, but man, I think he's pretty like serious, Like I don't know how a hell of fit in because that's the one thing I think, who notices, you know when if we're out creating content, I'm gonna be laughing most of the time, and I'm gonna be trying to make other people laugh. So I was like, I don't know Ben, Like what if Ben comes on this hunts like, those guys are just they're having way too much. It's bad for the industry. You guys are having fun you're not supposed to. Anyways, we go out and uh, we quickly learned that Ben is us to a t. Ben likes to laugh and have fun, take it serious, but not too serious. And so anyway, I appreciate you invite me down. I hope I hope we can do some more hunts um in the near future. In the near future. By later that's it. It's over, episode number fourteen. In the books, I want to really thank Casey for joined me, not only on the hunt, in Texas, but on the podcast as well. There was a goal of mine have him and his crew on when we first started doing this, and I'm glad we were able to do it for episode number fourteen. My big takeaway from this one is just here's a man who followed his dream. Here's a man who was working at nine to five and saw an avenue to live a different lifestyle and a different wife for his family and took it and and he caught his dream. And I think he's living it right now. And super proud to know him. I'm proud to call him a friend, Casey Butler. Hopefully you guys, if you're not already, will follow those guys at get Hushing, follow their adventures to find him on YouTube, Facebook, Instagram and all that fun stuff. Well, we're as most of you know who are regular listeners. Um, I heard from a lot of you. We took a little bit of a break. It wasn't that long of a break, a couple of weeks after our Leni trip um in suffice to say, there's a lot of big things coming for the Honey Collective after Episodember fourteen. I'm planning on expanding, planning on bringing new types of content, and I think we have a pretty exciting way to do that in the future, and so we make it some announcements in the next few weeks and months that starts to detail what we want to do and we have the engines. After what I really would consider fantastically successful first thirteen episodes, a lot of a lot of folks listened. I was able to get my feet under me. I'm sure I made a lot of mistakes, did a lot of things wrong, but um, I'm glad some of this is resonated with folks, and and I really am thankful for each and every one of you that writes in it says good things or you know, with with criticisms as well. I think all those things are healthy and I appreciate every word. That's really Until the Next Time, Episode number fifteen will be joined by Ryan Callahan, first light second appearance on the podcast. He was also on Our Hunt, and we did a separate uh interview with him just to kind of get his feelings thoughts both on them Our Time and Sonora, but just how he does things and then those of you, though Mr Callahan knows those things are unique. So until then, the Hunting Collective dot com. We'll have all the notes from this episode, articles, videos, and all kinds of other stuff. But each of our past episodes, including Steve and Ronnella, including all Marcus, including our l and I recap with Sam Sohole. You have guys like man, there's so many of them, it's it's it's hard to say Shane Mahoney. Let's put Shane Mahoney out there. I stumble over my words on that one, but we'll keep it in there because there's just so many so much to think about, so much conversation, so many words. I'm glad they were all recorded. So I quit Babylin for this terribly long exit, but we are gone. Episode of fourteen of the Books. See you next time,

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