On this week's show, Ben and Phil talk about a brand new title sponsor, an oxymoronic cocktail, identifying birds, and the value of a good hunting nap. In the interview portion of the podcast, Ben is joined by the founder of the Rocky Mountain Goat Alliance, Pete Muennich, to talk about the complicated management of some goat populations in our national parks, and how mountain goats hold an intriguing position in the conservation world. Enjoy. 

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