00:00:00 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome episode number thirteen to the Hunting Collective. I'm Ben o Brien. Today it is lu and I recap. And if you're not aware, Lena is an island in Hawaii in the middle of the ocean where all islands tend to be. Uh. It's got a lot of deer on it and they're called axis deer or chittled deer, as Adam green Tree likes to call him. And we're hunting them with a big old crew of archery Ninja's savages that you all probably know pretty well. So no, we didn't all get together to podcast. There was too many of us that everybody wanted to hunt. They didn't want to mess around talking into microphones because they are savages. And so Sam Soholt and I pass guests of the podcast. Man many many wears. Photographer BLUs Junkie thinks of that nature got together just to recap the whole damn thing. And so that's this is that it is the LENNI Recap. You'll hear stories about Adam green Street, Joe Rogan, Cam Haynes, John Dudley, Shane Dorian, Remy Warren, Sammy sohol and El Chopo and more. So please enjoy episode. Then we're live. I always wanted to say that, but it's it'll probably get cut out. We're here in Lanai, Hawaii, uh in a house that we rented pretty much pretty much heaven if you like chasing access here. Yep, I'm here with Sam Sohol. You may know him from podcast number mm hmmm, I don't know the number six seventh somewhere right in there. Yep. You mean for that, or he may have seen his bus or his photos or all the deer he kills here and I try to only kill one a year. I'm not like some of the other people that have joined us on this trip, where you know, we're gonna just call this like the Lani recap. Yeah, mostly because we couldn't convince anyone else the podcast. So they're all too busy hunting killing animals, and they didn't want to be bothered with sitting down the podcast. It's a funny. It's a funny thing because you're basically sitting in paradise, but like everyone's just on the go the whole time, just need to be hunting. Well, the post I made on Instagram, it's like you don't you're in paradise, but you're hunting, and it's the best hunting there is, and there's you can kill them as many deer as you please, basically, and there's all day long and there's deer everywhere. So it's well, I sit around when there's an opportunity to you had the shoot shoot a buck. Yeah. I mean you can literally be stalking deer the entire day if you want to be. Yeah, if you want to be, if you can, if you can manage it. Now, we or a lot of what we have done is walk around and scare things. Yeah, I mean I think how many deer were killed on this trip save like what might happen today or tomorrow. M I think we dropped off nineteen at the butcher. Yeah, we'll call it. We'll call it an even twenty. And there was a bunch of hunters. But I mean with with a bow, you know, most hunts you go and it's like if you kill one thing, you know, save a turkey hunt or something like that. But big game animals, if you kill one thing, one animal on a trip, one buck, that's the whole point of it. Yeah, But here it's like one buck a day would be maybe the goal, which is a crazy goal, but it's awesome. It's a I mean, the the amount of just like experience you can gain from spending that much time like sneaking up on animals is crazy. So tell just Sam, tell everybody who was on the trip. So it was myself, ye, Ben O'Brien, Uh, yeah, the host of the show, Cameron Haynes, Joe Rogan, John Dudley. Do you want me to go in depth of who these people are? Pretty much everybody know. I'd like you to talk a little bit about each one, you know, all right, Uh, give it a little color. Yeah. Cameron Haynes, he some people might know him from running long distances and shooting things with the bow that ye has a fairly tiny social media presence in the hunting industry. Hasn't done much on social media, Like, no, we keep trying to convince him to get Instagram. He's old school. Yeah, he's just twittering it up out there. So we got Cam Haynes, Cam Haynes, we got John Dudley or knock on TV, and he is uh what was a professional shooter at one point and archery coach and yeah, shooter of big animals. You have to excuse me while say I's talking about I'm drinking a beer. If you hear like Google club look look, uh yeah, So John lives in Iowa shoots big white tail, but also travels and hunts hogs and elk and everything all over the place. Then we have Remy Warren, who is a guide all over the world but most like Montana, New Zealand, travels back and forth most of the year guiding and hunting and filming. And then yeah, yep, who else we got? Adam green Tree was on this trip. He was here and his wife Kimmy, so they were both up. Adam is Uh how did you describe him? It's probably not for said on the podcast. Uh, he is. He's a man among like he just is the guy who can do anything. And if he chose to be if he chose to be the King of Australia, I'm not sure they have kings over there never been, but if he chose to be the King of Australia, he would be that because anything he does, he builds his own cabins, he builds vehicles, he kills animals, he just pretty much anything that he wants to do. Yeah, anything he wants to be good at he's good at it. It's one of those guys you want to hate, but we can't at all, not change, no way to hate him. He's the greatest um Joe Rogan Joe Joe. I'm not sure most people know who that is, but as a podcast I would say that a lot of your audience does not know. He's got a small time podcast. Where has he talks? I think about fighting or something like that. He's here, He's uh, you know, I'll be getting to know him a little bit. He seems like he's already a good guy. He might make it in this life. I've asked him a lot of questions about his time on Fear Factor. I just keep saying I smoke Rox Joe Rogue, and he doesn't. He never laughs. But the best part about this year's Joe Landed got into a like change clothes, got into a truck parked, was shooting his bow at a target, spotted the guy spotted a deer and they snuck in and he shot it. Was It's an awesome velvet buck fifteen minutes like that's he was here for no time at all. Since then. I don't think he's he's been stalking him up but hasn't any other shots. But you take, you know, you take that all day. And then we had Shane Dorian. Dorian, who is a professional surfer, probably the one of the best or historically one of the best big wave surfers in the world. Um native of Hawaii, kind of a guy. He's been over to the Nine hunted a bunch and was the first person who told me about this island when we were in New Zealand probably two years ago. So I imagine if you were to say, like, how did this all get started? Ah, that would be it. This is how it would have gotten started. And if if you don't know who Shane Dory is, just YouTube Shane Dory and Jaws. Oh yeah, like just surfing Jaws. It's and when you're hanging out in Shane, it's such an unassuming dude. When you're hanging out with him, you're thinking, this guy, you know, he can't have done what he's done. No, he just such a normal nice He's intense, but intense and the most you know, unassuming way that you can imagine. And then you watch videos of him surfing down, surfing down a wall of water, that's a hundred stories high. It's insane and you can't imagine how he would do it. Yeah, who else is on the trail up? Who do we miss? I don't think we think that was that was it? Can we say Kemmy green Tree? Yeah, Remy, we got him. That's everybody. John's wife, Dudley was here. She's lovely. She's one of my favorites. If she could be she was about hunter, we might get John out of the picture and just keep her. But overall, pretty pretty good crew on this. Yeah, I think, um, when we started thinking about Lena, I so, yeah, I might as well go through the whole story, because that's what this podcast is going to be. Lani recap um Two years ago, Remy, Shane and I we're hunting New Zealand and is it it's a great place. I mean it's We were hunting a fallI deer ranch in the center of New Zealand in this little near this little town called Exandra that Remy knows, and Shane kept talking about Lenai. We really kept talking about hunting in Hawaii altogether as being comparable to this ranch. We were on the amount of deer and things you could do and so sparked my interest then and after that trip, I was like, Shane is such a great dude. I'm like, we get a hunt again together, and so we started talking about it. And then a year later, Um, I met a guy named John Dubin who is the I believe I'll say this wrong, but he's in some relation or is close to Larry Ellison, who is the founder of Oracle, one of the richest people in the world, and he owns this island. He's literally the king of Lanai City. He owns everything. Um and I met John Dubin and he mentioned, Hey, I'm starting an outfit on Lanai if you ever want to come hunting, and that's how immediately called Dorian him like, dude, we gotta Oh my gosh, worlds are colliding, worlds are colliding. We gotta do it. So then we recruited Sam to take photos last year, Um Rogan to come flying in and provide a lot of the lot of the entertainment, and uh, John Dudley came, and Shane came, and Rammy came. So it was badass um and a lot of you might remember the podcast Rogan's podcast that we did that involved lots of booze, cat Ladies, Wesley Walls, yeph Tank, Abbot, and west Bank. So about a half hour conversation, look up podcasts in Paradise on Rogan's feet and good luck from there. Uh So, we had a great trip last year and then talked to duping in the boys at Pineapple Brothers Outfitting this year and they're like, come back and bring more people. So well we was like, we can't go without Green Tree, we can't go without Cam Haynes. We lined all that up and and landed here and uh now we're at the last day of the trip and it's been pretty damn unreal. Oh yeah, I mean even better than last year. He's been way better than last year, way better because I think last year, you know, the outfit here was just kind of starting and we were just kind of feeling our way around. But this year is like we knew what to do, We knew the guys, we knew the town, we knew the new the spots, we kind of knew the deer a little bit better. I knew what we wanted to do, and it from day from minute one, Oh yeah, ship was on. It was on. And um who killed first? I think Shane did. Yeah, yeah, because it was evening one. Yeah, that's back up John Dudley. Definitely, Dudley, definite. Yeah, Dudley showed up a couple days early, so Dudley came in to show us up. He killed three on the first day. So here's just I want to say a little bit about John. You might follow him or no. About John and his archery proficiency. He's probably one of the best shooters in the in that I've ever met, or in the world. UM coaches internationally and and does all those things. Been on this podcast before. But among all the savages, he is top level. Like he's public land here is pretty the deer scarce. There's not as many deers there are are on the private outfitted areas. Not only that access to are not easy to kill. They're not easy to talk or easy to kill either. One and he went out before we were even here, like seven or eight days ago, with his wife and a guide, went to the public and shot three deer in an afternoon. Yeah, it's crazy. How long do you think it would take a normal person to just to kill three deer on that public A lot lot more time a week. It would make me a week. Yeah, and then another morning this week he you know, shot two more dear when I was shooting photos of them. So it's uh, yeah, it just happens for him, It just makes it happen. Yeah, he's not so that, there's just a mentality about that. And Sam has followed all these guys around this week so he can has a good insight on not only what the stalks are like or what the hunts were like, but each one of those guys and like what they bring to the table over and above just their personality and what you might know him as. Like, each of them has their own way to succeed, and what I've found is important for me. It's just to to like listen to them, even though we're friends. I'm not gonna ask him, like how do you succeed? John, but like just watch him and listen to the situation they get in and understand the ins and outs of what makes them tick and take try to take pieces of that and apply it to my own bow hunting, which hasn't worked thus far this but now and they all have very different styles. Yeah, so it was cool to to be with all the different people and kind of follow them around and see what they did differently. Yeah, I don't think there's any one right way. You just gotta find the way that works for you and do that because you know, a guy like green Tree is a little bit more like way more aggressive than a guy like Shane. So it's it's just yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean if you were to break it down, you know. So Dudley goes out kills three deer, sends us a selfie of him, and these three deer were immediately like did you hit those deer on the highway? Like you can't just kill three deer on the first day, but he did. Um. And to even go back further than that, I mean, Lanai is an island. He's a privately own island. Um, it's you know, said Larry Elison is now the owner, but previous owner, previous owner. Um, there's a couple owners in between. But the most notable thing that anybody would know is Doll Pineapple Company one point owned this island and it was most basically a giant pineapple plantation. So you can still see a lot of the irrigation pipes and a lot of the black tubing that was out there from from the pineapple plants in that operation when you're out there, but it's essentially big flat brush country. I mean, for the lack of a better term, there's a bunch of lantana bushes and a bunch of tall grass and just big flat, rolling hillsides full of access to here. Yeah, it's it's a crazy landscape to hunt. And it's the change between years was very drastic because it's been so wet this year. So last year there was still all the bushes and stuff, but the grass in between was a lot shorter, and this year it's like walking through a six ft tall jungle in a lot of places. And so for you, like I think water when you're hunting something like this, really any spot in stalk. But then you got to know the landscape, like you know that you don't have a lot of room, really don't have a lot of room to move at all, because there's deer everywhere. It's not like they're going to be in a cool lead or be down in a basin somewhere where you know you can drop in and look and glass them up. Literally around every corner there could be a deer under a bush, or a deer in a bottom, or a deer on the top of a mound or whatever. So in this country you just kind of know that you have to know where the deer are, have a plan, get your wind right and go slow or at least and know that you're probably like if you're going after a buck, you just know you're probably going to blow some deer out between you and the and that deer. What's that sound like, Sam, I don't should I do it directly right in the microphone? Yep, that's why it sounds like. Now, so I've heard that sound a thousand times in the least five and a half days. So that's that's when they're basically barking at you. Yeah, that's their bark. That's that's kind of like the fuck. Yeah, you know, get out of here, like there's danger. That sounds great. When you get like a herd of like forty is that are to all barking at you, it's really then they're just talking to each other, like you see him, he's an idiot? Why is he over there? Do you think we can't see him or something? Let's let's all run together simultaneously. It's nice. Sometimes you get a nice cascading effect where you you scare like ten deer, and then they run and they scare like deer, and then those thirty deer run and scare a hundred deer, and all of a sudden, if you just got a stampede. And some of these deer, these dear native of India, and they were brought here as a gift for a king. I don't can't remember the king's name, but we'll look that up and put that in the show notes. Um. But they have built in their genetic code somewhere deep down, this switched on will to live that I'm sure was baked in over a hundred of years of predation from Bengal tigers and jaguars and just a pretty harsh way to live as these in their native country. Yeah, they're pretty they're pretty alert, and they're like that in Texas and they're like that here. I mean, they just have it built in. Whereas you know, I'm sure there's some conditioning that goes along the way, but I think these deer are most connected to the way that they were, Whereas I've seen other deer and situations get conditioned to a certain thing, like walking around houses or being in an urban landscape like the white tailed deers are pretty adaptable animal. Um. The mule deer is not so adaptable. But they are also in urban situations where they can walk up to them. So, but I can't ever imagine an access to your walking around somebody's backyard at any level. I'm sure they do. Yeah, but it's it just seems like a different a different type of alertness. That's yeah, it's a fun. It's a fun animal to chase. It's because it's uh, they don't let you get away with much. If they are on alert. You take a shot. The the ducking of the string unbelievable. We'll fast forward to the last night when Sam and I were stalking up some deer and some really tall brush and some lantana bushes and thick high grass and on these red dirt roads. You kind of take your shoes off, getting your socks and just slowly stalk down these roads. Be super quiet, look for antler tips in the tall grass, try to find these deer, see the deer before they see you, essentially, and make make some stocks. Well, we went through a few stalks. The first one deer pops out of forty five yards on this road. We stuck up a little closer stop range. It a couple of deer across the road, A third gear across the road. I draw it spots me or hears it or something, and it's looking at me, and I send an arrow at forty five yards. The arrow went perfectly towards its shoulder, but the deer was buried in the dirt by the time. Yeah, that deer was halfway across the road by the time the arrow got toward it was It wasn't an entire deer's body above where the deer was. Yeah. Yeah, next year, I shot out kind of same thing, thirty five yards, shot through a little hole in the brush, and it ducked and not as bad as the other one, but ducked on that. And then the third one I was going to shoot at was sixty some yards away and wasn't looking at us. And this is the same range, sixty six and I drew my bow. I was like momb city. I said that ship out loud, and then that deer was gone. Yeah, there was no bombs deer. So that's I mean, that's kind of just the way it goes out of here. You're not scared to shoot an arrow at these deer because they are over populated. There are a lot of sick deer here. Um. I don't know if that's directly due to the overpopulation, but that those things seem to always correlate, oh, in these types of areas. So you know, not that you want to take unethical shots per se, but you understand that that it's a necessity to do to take some of these deer out of here, you know, and the you know, the guides of the operation, they're going out and shooting deer at night to just work on controlling the population. I think, you know, they they'll go out and shoot thirty in a night, and then they donate all the meat to the town. You can sign up and yeah, of course, of course you get the meat. But like, just the number of deer that they have to call out of here each year to maintain the population from being completely over run is crazy. Well, and you know, it's a pretty easy equation. You take a non native species and you drop it onto a island that pushed up out of the ocean, a piece of red dirty drop them here. You put people here, or they were here when they were obviously here when they were put here, but you try to dial in the cohabitation. There's no predation, there's no winter kill, there's no really, there's nothing other than humans to kill these animals. And there's food everywhere, and there's food everywhere. Everything is food. Everything they walk in his food. Every bush, every tree is food. And that's what you get. I mean, there are thousands of deer here. There's nothing to see. Five hundred deer in a night, I mean, I mean how many we see this morning just crossing from the flat back. Probably three hundred, that's all guessing, but more deer than you. You sit there and just watch them cross, cross, cross, cross. And so I think it's funny like the sheds, you know, like finding this time of year is all fired up about hiking around the mountains and wherever finding shed antlers, And here you can walk around not even try and pick up five in a day, or if you go try you could pick up a pick up load. Yeah, it's just it's such a unique situation. It's such a unique way to think about hunting and meat and what our role is with the role of of hunters both that pay money because and a lot of international situations and impoverished nations like you're thinking of hunting bringing value to a situation, and I think hunting does bring some value to this, to this island. I mean it brings jobs, and it brings but it's not so much that like hunting brings tourism dollars. It adds another experience for people who visit here, and then it adds a delicious meat to the table of a lot of people. Um, And there's a lot of really passionate hunters here because they have access to to that this amount of game, and it's not really regulated in the way it is in the States. So it feels different and it feels different to hunt these these dear for sure, UM feels different than white tails. It feels differ I mean, it just does. And that I think that's why we all, I mean we all enjoyed for a lot of reasons. But I think one of the reasons that you think about the access here as a whole, the population as a whole, not just I gotta go kill one buck. You're thinking, I gotta shoot a nice buck. Some call deer a couple of dose. If there's a sick deer, I'll take that out. Like it really is holistic and the way you think about the deer as opposed to Oh, I've got to shoot a thirty buck and then go home. So it does change. Is there any other places like that? I can't even think of any places like that that I've ever hunted. I've certainly never been anywhere anywhere like this. The amount of deer, the amount of deer they'll let you shoot. I mean, I think there's a lot of places where animals need to be called course, but New Zealand comes to mind. Is a similar kind of attitude towards towards game. But it's just a different environment. There's not as many of the animals plugged into it to those places, right, So I think that's why this makes it unique. And um, do your access to your roar? Do the roar? So it's a it's a variation of the bark. It's not nearly as harsh some mail. It's a mail, but it's like, now we're gonna go into the mail. Access to here. This is the male act. Feel like Jim Carey in a Spinua when he's like, now the mating call of a yack yack, this is the now the mating call. So this is, yeah, an access to roar sounds something like this. It's ah, it's kind of shrill, but hey and and seen. So for all of you listening, you're welcome. Yeah, I've been practicing all week. Pull over your car. We're gonna do it again. So that's uh the same. Actually tried that last night to no avail. The problem is I got a little bit nerve us, and so it didn't sound nearly as like calm stage friend. So it's okay to do around us, but not around actual deer. I had a little, you know, I got a little too much growl into it, and then all of a sudden that all I heard was stuff running through the bushes, and I thought stuff was like running in No. I just scared that you thought you were roar brought in a deer you never know alive. Yes, I thought I was that good for So those are the sounds. That's the deer. I mean, the deer brings a lot to the table. I mean I have more respect now this week for access deer and what they are and in their place in this landscape. And I think a lot of times you think about invasive species are non native species, and it's they almost remove a little bit of respect from it, you know. But in this case, I think Lanai has done a great job of just kind of embracing this animal. It doesn't really belong here, it's not from here, but they've they've done a good job of kind of like accepting it into their culture and bringing in and in house and like the access here is our deer, come hunt um where New Zealand is kind of a little bit of the little bit of the options. Yeah, they want to eradicate, they want to take them all out, you know. I mean, if you go to a restaurant or anything here, it's access deer is always on the menu. So and that's why I think it's just culturally just appropriate the animal. If you've got you've got an animal that just is non native but is now pervasive place you live, why the fund wouldn't you just say keep it? Yeah, let's make it part of our thing. We're not gonna get rid of it. It's delicious, it's so good. That's the best. Yeah, I mean we, you know, moving on on the trip. I mean, Dudley was bombing deer early in the week. We showed up. When by we I mean Sam myself, the green Trees and uh Willow and el choppo that's Spanish with the chopo. We're gonna we're gonna circle back to Will. Yeah, we'll get one of the best, probably one of the best hunters I've ever met, and a mysterious member of this tribe. Not a lot of people know Will own a lot of well known hunters here, and I think that's been by design on his part. Yeah, he doesn't want to be known. No, he's got a lot going on. He tunneled here under the ocean. But yes, Will uh oh, and we all landed. I wanted to just be here day a day early. Then some of the other folks getting in. But anyway, we went out that evening. I don't think we killed any deer that evening. Green tree kill one form now, um, but Adam and Kimmy were here, John and and Chassy were in one house, and then Shane and Will and myself we're in another house and Sam and we uh went after it like yeah, comes the next day, Rammy Warren comes the next day that we had a whole crew of people running around the landscape, slanging arrows every which direction. Yeah, I got wild in a hurry. Shane broke this, broke the ice by shooting a buck. Literally the first first afternoon he flies in shoots a buck. And then that day I think green Tree killed two bucks. Uh, the next the next morning, next morning, I know Remy killed a buck his first night out. Yep Um, green Tree kills a couple of bucks. The next day, John Dudley keeps indiscriminately, just killing yeah, just killing all the deer. And next thing you know, we've got like deer on the ground and it's day three. And then Cam Haynes and Joe Uh couldn't make it for all the same days, but they rolled in on day three or four. Went, honey, we had the Joe the Joe Buck. Just immediately, oh that is that's somebody's name, Joe Buck. They got the answer, the Joe the Joe Buck. Joe drops his deer. And then that night we all got together at one of our houses here in town and had a hooting nanny. If if anybody watched any of Dudley's Instagram story that night, like the food tasted better than it looked it was, let's just bring that back. Tell us about tell us the story of Bob the Butcher, because you have talked to Bob. I haven't I have talked to Bob. Start us at the beginning. Tell the story, So Bob the Butcher, er noise, I'll make the roar to start the story, and then I'll end it with a roar with a bark. And I'm not gonna do that. So Bob the Butcher, Our, how it's great. The house we rented is like see it like about sixty yards away is Bob the Butcher. So Bob was born and raised in Hawaii. I don't believe on Lena, but he has lived on Lanai for quite a while now and he tells everybody's like, I'm hungry person. So I knew I needed to get better at cooking and cleaning game. And so he just has taken it to the next level. And so he's a in the name, clearly a butcher. But you can bring your dear to him. He hangs it, skins it, lets it cool for a second, and then starts breaking it down. And the cuts that he does, I mean he does a the rib roast is the most amazing thing to me. So it's you've got the backstraps, the run all the way down the deer and then he keeps the ribs attached to that part, basically short ribs that yeah, short ribs, cuts them off and you have like a frenched out. I don't even know what you would call that at this point because we don't do it's not a predominant thing, and you don't see it very often. You see it's some it's starting to be some people are starting to do. It's a lot of extra effort. Yeah, for what I would say is a better result, but it's just something new that I've never seen. And you get eat backstrap on the bone, which you never you don't do, just don't do. So if he does that cut and then it's you know, shoulders and hams and everything, and it's all hung up and he lets it age for a bit and cools it and then he vacuum steals everything and if you want, you can do like Kobe style beef, ground beef like brown venison and make burgers that we had that. I mean, everything that he does is taking one step further than most people are going to go through. You know, do we have the Bob the Butcher paper? Hey, will, can you bring over Bob the Butcher? Now, Bob the Butcher has a great logo. Will's holding up the T shirt just says, just gut it. I'm not funking with you. It says, just hold that up again. So and it's got like a blood streak in the middle. In the middle. Gotcher is the best. Bob the Butcher, Lani, Hawaii. If you want to call him. His numbers eight oh eight five six five two. Now, if you're listening to this, call Bob and just say, just give him a shout out. But like, hey, Bob, just heard on the podcast. You're a badass. Keep keep it up. So the other thing he does so well, can you get it? It's over here, I think, on the table. So he goes through this full process of cutting all your meat, like into these amazing cuts, and then he prepares your hide, he prepares the head, and then he calls your taxidermist to ask what the way that they like the cape and everything ready for them, and so like he you know, he's called tax roomers all over the world. But it's just it's everything that he does is that next level, like just taking care of your meat and animal? Yeah, I mean this guy and he gives you a little print outs. Yeah, and he's been bringing over snacks for us. I mean yesterday, I was sitting over there. I was shooting photos of of in the butcher's shop and what they were up to, and all of a sudden he came out with venice and meat loaf and avocado and rice, and I would move in look with all the deer we shot. We were talking about we're probably gonna be building him a new Yeah, when the invoice comes, he's gonna build a new wing on Bob the butcher shop. But Bob has been doing this for a while. But he, uh, he used to live. He was telling me he lived on him and his wife to combine, lived on twenty hundred bucks a year. And so they go either catch or kill all their food. And then they were doing like a few they were cleaning some animals at the same time. He was a guide right before the Pineapple Brothers could have had this operation. He was a guy. But here's like he gives I'm gonna read all this. It'll be super boring for some people, but I'm just gonna read it all because I think it. He just gives you a print out, says Bob. The butcher cooking method for each cut there's like a team cuts on tender loins, pans s here medium high heat, best served rare to medium rare. Of course, rip rack pants here on medium high heat, finish an oven best served rare, medium rare. Gets you to go down and like everyone, what about neck roast? Oh yeah, neck roast braised with liquid, low and slow until tender sirloin tip ground or braised with liquid or stewed. I mean, it's just this goes on and on. It'll just much of the same. But I mean, he just he's got to dial in. And not only is it just a great personality, but he adds so much to a trip like this that you have that opportunity to not only eat some of the best venison on the planet, but to have it prepared by somebody who is truly a craftsman. It's truly cares and understands not only the animal but the muscle groups and how to cut it and present it and wrap it and vacuum seal it and label it and ship it. I mean, it is it is pretty astounding. I think one of my favorite things about Bob is he'll tell you exactly what you did wrong when field dressing your animal. Yeah, yeah, he's got Yeah, he's got it pretty he's got he's got the guides at Pineapple, Rolla's trained pretty well as to what to do. But no, and then yeah, it's it's amazing because last year we didn't use him and we you know, we trimmed up all the meat and everything ourselves. But it's just you know, so we went home with it was like Ben O'Brien the butcher, not right, the same level of detail as Bob the Butcher, b o b. Yeah, I just like stick knife in it. Pet there's no bone, there's a trunk off of their what part of the deer is. Yeah. Last year we had like a condo on a golf course and we just the kitchen looked like that's why we didn't get invited back. Yeah, we did not get invited back to the condo because I tried my best to clean that up, but it was it was you just can't put six acts here to freeze that a gondo they expect things to go well. Yeah, we didn't have any baking soda. We just to clean it. It just does not good for anybody. But hey, it's it's all about getting better. That's what life, life's about. But yeah, Bob the Butcher was a highlight of the trip. And if you come to one Eye and you kill a deer, do not do anything with it other than take it to Bapa Butcher, because it just it just takes he So we're taking all our meat home and in eight or nine giant yettie hoppers, and it's all vacuum sealed already. Is it all frozen? Most of it's hard frozen. Most of it's hard frozen, so we don't really need the coolers, which you know, sorry Eddie, but but it doesn't hurt. It'll keep them frozen. Fenya kise you get lost on the airline. But it's just you know, it's just next level stuff. And then when you come here that's you. Maybe you shoot a buck early and you showed a big buck, Sam, but then you can start thinking about just the meat piece of it. How much meat am I gonna have home? And then it really is something different to share with your family and friends. And you know, back to our little event there the other night with Dudley cooking, I mean he cooked tenderloin with balsamic reduction, and there was other stuff like rosemary and go, I don't know what it was, but we'd have to have a lot going on. But when he did those tomahawk chops, tomahawk chops, I mean, it was melting your mouth unbelievable. And he did he he cooked it first on the trigger and then and then cut it and then he seared both sides that and then went hand it to you. Oh, it was like they melted and the burgers out of that prime like that prime's like hallapenos and bacon and cheese, get out of my life. Unbelievable. But that was one There's certain points I think in trips like this, and you know, Suffice say, Sam knows, and I know, and everybody knows, like we're lucky to not only have these experiences, you know, with the the animal and the place and the people that are here, but just to call this in some way of profession is unbelievable. And there's moments where you know, you gotta stop and look at the big picture, Like a couple of times this week I did. And one of the times, as I was sitting at a table with Joe Rogan and Cam Haines and Remy Warren and just laughing and eating the best meat in the world, and I'm just thinking, I'm not sure I can improve upon this any Like we may have peaked too early and only thirty two, Like where do you go? Where do I go from here? But I think that's that's the feeling that I got from from that one night. Now, we were also spread out in this trip and people were coming to go and everybody's so intent and enjoying hunting that you don't ever really get to stop and kind of be together like that. Yeah. Um, but we were that night and it was awesome. Yea, And it was great. I think we did a couple of things this trip that really made it. It It was the dinner with everybody, and then we actually stopped for a minute to take a group photo. Yeah. I caught a lot of flak for that, Yeah, but I hadn't made them all do it. Yeah, but it was so worth it, Yeah, because it's always one of those shots like it's you know, like that used to be the shot that was the photo you get you get whatever, you know, a trophy photo, a gripping grand from whatever you shot, and then a group photo of who you were with, And those were like the two photos you came home with from a hunting trip. Yeah. No, If I would to put together like group shots of Hans I've been on in the last couple of years, I would. It might made me cry. Yeah, Like, it's that intense for me. You know, I find even with the podcast, man like engaging with people that I care about, what I care about that I like a lot and respect a lot is like a drug to me. Sometimes even hunting alone and I'm like, this is really great, But I'm a talker and a bullshitter and I'd much rather be I'd much rather be doing that. That's probably a detriment to my like solo hunting career, but probably never get invite on solo hunter for that reason. But shut up. But I that just that stuff just me. It's like a fucking high for me. Well, I love it. I think Remy said it best, like he posted that group shot today and in his caption you know of what of what? Yeah, those are perfect. Will we'll talk about El Choppo. We're gonna close the show with the l Choppo stories. But El Choppo has found what looks to be the tiniest binoculars ever and he's now he's drinking champagne. It's like ten thirty in the a m. He's drinking the champagne. No, but what I was saying is I think Remy said it said it right, was you have a group of people who are you know some it's like some of the best hunters in the industry and have made a name for themselves. And let me say, let me stop you there out like I wanted you to do. When we say best hunters in industry, I've been around a lot of them. You've been around a lot of them. People that make their money on saying I'm a good hunter, or make their money on being hunters or in the community. These are the best ones, Like they are the best ones. We've seen it over the last couple of days. Yeah, it's it's amazing to watch them in the field and do what they do. It's it's Tiger Woods hitting golf ball, Remy Warren, Adam green Tree, like John Dudley, that's Tiger Woods in the golf ball. Like they do things produce results that just people don't do. And so Cam in the same way. Cam Haynes dropped the eighties six year bomb on the buck last night. Mom still problem. He didn't probably Mom City like I did Loser, But I mean Remy, I think Remy said it best when he, like all of us, anybody involved, came from very different background, but we're all together because we all love the act like hunting itself, and that's why we're all here. Yeah. No, And I think that just goes back to it's hard to parse out, like the personality you see you on the internet. I think that I'm glad why a lot of people have podcasts nowadays, because you can just really hear them talk and they have them in your ears and understand who they are. Um. But being around somebody in those intense situations and it's it shows you really everybody bonds together on the same types of feelings you kind of. I mean, I'm from the East Coast. I'm I hunted as a kid of a writer. I work at a cooler company like you got you know, a legendary bow hunter from Oregon. You have a fucking celebrity podcast actor, you know, commentator from from Boston by way of California. Uh, I mean you have a guy that lives in a busy You have a pro surfer. Yeah, I mean you have a guy out a Nevada who is a hunting guide you have? You know so much from Australia, who's you know, a couple of years ago, pretty foreign to the up to our community, you know, but now it's pretty pretty dialed in and close. So those things all come together and um, there's not a lot of ways. I mean, you could maybe if they were all in the room right now, but to capture the energy of that that evening that night. Of course, everybody has got their phones out there in their stories. I think that might take away from it a little bit, but that's everybody's jobs, and everybody just wants to share that energy with people and hopefully people who followed along on whatever who's ever social. We tried to make sure everybody was updating, so it seemed as frantic as it actually was real time. But um, hopefully you felt some of that energy, um, and some of the passion that these people have for for this thing and that regardless of success or failure or whatever, because those things are nebulous. They happen like you succeed, you fail, you succeeds, you fail, you sees you fail. And you know, guys like Remy and green Tree, you have found formulas whereas they succeed more than other people. But I think, um, hopefully that stuff comes through. And I would say, just as a way of of addressing anyone who would qualify as a hater, that I'm I try. I would be objective in this situation and then say that these are good people, like these are people that you know, whatever you don't. You may not agree with what they might post or what they might say, or a stance on this or a way they present themselves on the internet, like really getting to know these people. They're good, Yeah they're good. Yeah they're not all perfect, but they're not. None of us are. So I will get off my soapbox. But I feel like that's I feel like in a bunch of people, notable people get together like that. Sometimes it can seem, you know, on the surface, it seems a surface, but yeah, but being here and it's just a different feeling. I think, does any of that make sense? Same? I think in your ramp rambling, I think you got the point across good. I was gonna pull a line from Billy Billy Madison. Nowhere, rambling, did you make any sense whatsoever? We are all now dumber because of it may God you are awarded zero points. Oh, may God have mercy on your soul. The anyway, Yeah, that I don't know. I think that's I think that was important to Yeah, And I think because it could seem like it's a you know, some sort of a PR stunt or whatever, but it's it was really just a group of people that wanted to get together hunt together well, and you could do a lot of times people do films and everybody on this trip out a podcast. All of us that podcasts and all of us have those things. What. Um, what I was happy to do with something like this is just see people throwing their stuff out to the world as they wanted to, without having to have a cameraman behind them or force somebody to do a podcast or um. Because I think being together and being excited and comes out. Man, it just comes out and people naturally. Um. So sorry for everybody that wanted there to be a film, but I just don't. I feel like that's it's also edited and so contrived that if you followed along you got it. Hopefully you got it because it was pretty It would be I mean it would it wouldn't be impossible, but it would be hard to pull off like a film like with without having a camera for each person, and then it just it just changes the dynamic, it really does, and something like this. But that was the I mean we ended up. You know, we had that dinner. It was it was fantastic. And then the next and we got after it. I mean Cam killed a buck last night, our boil Chopo killed a buck last night. Everybody on the hunt killed one except for me. Uh, Sammy killed one. Samy killed a giant thirty two insure and the Sam flat in the Sam flash he kills a buck there every year, just nonchalantly walks over there and wax a giant and go um got a lot of cool content and just laughed. All right, yeah, a lot of it's not for air. Can't be for air. But you know, and in a way of a recap, that's what it was. I mean, it wasn't a deer count. We never came back and like compared Antler side his work, talked about who killed what it was, just like tell me about your stock and tell me about this. I mean Cam and Joe or no, Cam and Joe, Um, Joe and Dud had a deal the other night where they were crawling up on a buck and they made the final stock. And for some reason, Dudley had wanted to shoot a deer that was having sex with another deer. So I think that was actually green Tree that wanted tree. But Dudley has been in on two of those now, so you know, access to your spasmodic. They shed and and and rut in different times of the year, so you'll see all forms of like gestation, like tiny little fawns, you know, six month old fawns, rutting, fighting, velvet stripping, all at the same time. And so Dudley had seen a couple of bucks breeding. Does I don't think he shot any of them that were No we got in on him, but Joe and and he got on with Joe yesterday they were finishing off the stock and a feral cat as this buck was breeding a dough. Feral cat ran between the legs of the sex couple and they lay ran away. They were thirty yards from a buck that was mounted on a dough and a cat messed up. I think, I mean, honestly, it was revenge of the cat Lady. Yeah, the cat lady. Going back to last year, John Dudley invented a drink is a terrible alcohol off. Let's we should probably have some sort of intervention, but he's fun, so we let it happen. Ah. He put you can have to walk with tequila, tequila, red wine, and red bull into a cup. Ye, and then drank it and he named it the cat And he named it the Cat Lady, probably based on the fact that no one would ever talk to him again after he drank it. Uh. That so that became people started making those and linking up after last year, um as well as Uh, Joe and Dudley got into a drunken fight about Wesley Walls the Fighter, whether or not he had actually fought Tank Abbott. That's something. I mean, it was like a half hour conversation. So then people started doing like Wesley Walls Instagram account strolling this ship out of everybody, which was fantastic. Thanks for those guys who did that. Um, but we've had some We've had some cool stuff happened on this trip. I mean everybody's been in on countless stocks. Oh yeah, you know, seeing countless deer. Yeah, it's just I mean, can you imagine. So I was thinking about it while we were talking about it. I mean, there's so many deer, and we shot a lot of deer this week, but could you imagine if the population density was, you know, like a normal place trying to sneak in like if you know, like, okay, there's thirty deer that live in that pat you know that one big flat or whatever, like trying to do like a single stock on a buck and then feel so terrible. Yeah, like the success rate would not be even close. No yeah, no, um no, it wouldn't be. And that's just what makes this different. You can go out. Shane Dorian is pretty famous for being just like give me a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, I'll see you in three days, and he just crawls on his belly until a deer is close enough. It takes eight hours, fine, if it takes sixteen, no big problems there. And last year, Shane, you know, it didn't kill anything for three days and then he killed in the evening of the fourth day, and then two on the last day. But it was and then this year he just came out swinging, swinging, just drop big bucks like it was his job. So yeah, I mean I think those things, those things happen you know, people get I have good days, bad days and whatever. But you know, the big part for me was trying to realize, like some days I didn't even think about the big picture where I was, who I was with. It was logistics in the morning, it was stalking deer all day. It was getting people picked up, it was getting dinner for the evening, and then it was going to sleep. And if you could make it through that without without crashing, it was a good day. Maybe get a deer, whatever's fine. But there's moments where you have to stop and be like, wait a minute, um, I just what you know? You're in Hawaii? Yeah, I mean yesterday Ramy and I were tracking a buck that he hit and killed, and him and I just kind of paused a little bit, and there was we were by the coast and could see out in the ocean. It could see MAUI crossed the way and I just sat down on the hill and was looked out there like wow, Like, if I waste the rest of this day, I paste. But if I use the rest of this day to think about killing deer, I've wasted some minutes of it. Because what's really important. But then you think, you know, what really makes you a successful hunter if you don't give a shit about anything else but killing deer. Right, that's probably why I've killed zero and Remmy killed five and it's gone and left. So it just goes to show you. I mean, there's a lot of people that claim to be really good at hunting or present themselves in such a way, but um, no, no one that I know, very few that I know, could do what Remy did, or do what Adam did, or do what Shane did. Very few in a short period of time, in a short period time, very few, Dudley camp same. I mean, that's just let a bunch of savages loose in giant heard deer. Let's see what happens, see what happened next. And that brings me to the story of El Chapo. Where do we begin? There's nowhere, Like there's a lot of mystery. I don't even know where El Chappo is from. I work with him, like he's from Houston, maybe somewhere in the suburbs of Houston, north of Galveston, south of fun who cares you know? And he's just El Choppa. Now. El Chapo is a ripe old twenty six years of age. Ah, he's a native Texan and a bit. He's kind of like my consiliary. He's like the Robert de vall to my godfather. Well's what was his character whatever, he's I'm Marlon Brando and he is I'm actually not Marlon Brando, but he's definitely Robert Duval and he takes care of lot. He just takes care of ye and laughs at all the dumb ship that I do in appropriate times. And um, before he worked at Yetti, I don't know what he did, but he may have, you know. I think he's saying he went to college. I don't believe that. No. I think he may have been like a drug runner on the coast or something. He was running. He had owned. Yeah, he was the top guy at some big ring of right and then now we did he worked in shipping, shipping. Yes, he flew a plane. He did tourism. Now, if you look at the photo of all of us from this trip, the one that Remy posted in a camp posted everybody posted, there's one man there that you might not shrouded in mystery, and it's El Choppo. That's El Chapo, and there's no you don't need to hold know a whole lot of els. And the reason we call him El Choppo is as mysterious as El Choppo himself because nobody knows. I mean, he looks like a young and he's got a ponytail. He's got a flowing black mane of hair, kind of like an Arabian horse or something like that. That's what it is. He's he's kind of got the hair like who is the guy who played for the Steelers? Oh, Troy Polama. He's kind of got a Troy polamla to do and a beard, patchy beard, and uh, you know he's a stout fellow. But he's there in the picture and I think a lot of people were wondering who is this person and why? Yeah, and at that point of the group picture, he had not he had not killed. Now l Chopo's you know, it's a fair you know, he's got shipped together, like he knows what he's doing now. And he hunted a lot with me this week we had married failures. Ah, he was probably following me around going what the fuck he's this guy did? But finally, like a day and a half ago, we let El Choppo loose on his own to go Ferrell and just get it done. Like he just became part of the landscape. And now he's gone forever to the island of I thought maybe we'd never see him again, live under a lantana bush for the next three years. But two days ago El Choppo kind of started going on his own, stalking up deer and he would just be I don't know that El chop is a big fan of the belly crawl because it seems like it's a lot of work. She's more of a crouchwalker, you know. That led to a lot of spookings, I believe, but eventually a lot of yeah, a lot of that, not a lot of roars, a lot of spooks. But eventually he got it, got on it, and yesterday we were leaving for the evening hunt. Sam and I were going to hunt together, whereas I would shoot at all the dose and they would duck the arrows. But El Chapo was going by himself and he had perfected He had his system die. He had perfected the El Chopo dear killing system, which goes something like this. He's had about seven grand where the sick clothes on. Yep, he had sitka pants in the new Subalpine newer subalpine. There were the Apex pants I believe, or the Ascent. He had a cent shirt on and uh an undergarment of Sitka as well synthetic undergarment from the Ascent line. He was wearing a Sitca hat and his his mane of hair was flowing from beneath it, and he was and he had the sidekick had the YETI sidekick dry as wearing as a Fannie pack to keep all his sundry items in there. And and finally, and finally, he was wearing a pair of like dad's socks that he clearly got it call his dad got it cols in like the with the real aggressive threads on the fucking leg part. And he he was wearing those. I think he had his Sitkam pants tucked into those, and they were just jet white. And he was going to hunt like that because but you were too loud. He didn't even bring his shoes, he said, it didn't even bring him. He was the last day and a half. I've done his tie my shoes in my belt. I don't need him. He walked out of the house. He walked out of the house with a beer in one hand. A bow and the bow and the other and his sicka pants tucked into his white tubes, white tube socks. And that is definitely that is a memory that will be in flow. There was just like crazy loose hairs sticking out of this hat, just go in every direction. And he just didn't give a ship. You know how you've been hunting for five days and not killed something, and you give zero fox now and we'll just reach that point the best of us. We got out there. He's like, I don't have my phone. I'll see you at the road and just disappeared, just just disappearing tanical garden. It's never to be seen. And then we tried to find him on the road. We went hunting and failed. I failed, and uh I went back to find him on the road and he was gone. He was not there, and we were a bit worried. We thought maybe he had ah taken up the herd, gone north. But then we got a text from someone else's phone, from John Dudley's phone and said, hey, it's Will I killed a buck. I am I'm with the guys. And then we knew that El Chapos rain had begun and he shoots this buck at like thirty yards and that was five days of effort all culminated. And that wasn't the end of it. He then shoulder slings it. So let's talk about what was it? Called it duffle button. Duffle button yeah aa, green Tree lots to do something called duffle button. Yeah. So you cut the hole in the back legs where you would hang it, and then in the front legs you cut him at the joint and then you peel the tendin back a little bit, and then you can slide part of the front leg through the hole in the back leg and now you've got a basically put it on like a backpack. So I had explained this very briefly, not in depth at all, to El Choppo in the morning after green Tree had done it, and the chop was he was intrigued, ye, and he decided to try it. It did not go well. It ended up he just threw the deer over his shoulder and walked like a mile in his white sox just to the road. Can you imagine he got there and Alec, the guy goes, why didn't you just leave it there? I could have driven to it, and his Fannie, his yetty sidekick Fanny Pack was covered in blood, just covered. Yeah, he was just I mean, can you imagine that. It was like a scene from like black Hawk Down or something. He was carrying out one of his comrades but apparently shots his deer three yards and just dropped in his tracks. Probably because it's all his thick look in his eyes. I just can't go any further. Oh that's perfect. But that's you know, that's all chopo for you. I mean he's he's an animal, yep, animal, And I mean he has a lady friend and so unfortunately unfortunately's not single. But if he was, hopefully this would rev the engine on that. So that's that's that's the chop for you. And that and he's gonna bring home meat to his family just just based on his whole hopper full of deer meat. Yeah, it's based on his giving zero fox yesterday. I just got it done. And that least that brings me to me. Now I am a hunter sorts. I've been doing it for a couple of decades there a while. While I other people have killed half a dozen deer during this trip, I have killed zero. Dear. I've had some rough luck this week. Man. Now, just cut it to me straight, Sam, just bring it to bring the real story. Am I terrible? No? No, you has has go wrong? But have I been just not on my game? Do you feel? I don't know, it could be it. Maybe you weren't mentally sink it's true, it's what do you think? El Choppa says, I should just let loose. He said, put you take your shoes off, let the juice loose, drinking on the Pacific co and get back out there. Let's juice loose. Now we do have the rest of today, so maybe maybe I'll get one, but then you can add that in in the the final for the final, like Happitus. I got one. But I've had like deer, I've had multiple bucks, probably five bucks that I wanted to shoot within twenty yards, and each time that one was bedded and it crawled around a bush. One was bed and all I had to do was stand up and walk one step any of three directions that it would have died, and it walked straight away from me, covered up from bush. I had won this morning, come out of fort or five yards. My range finder wouldn't work. I had one the other morning. First morning, you had like fifteen yards that was just behind the bush. Yeah, I had one in fifteen yards. I could see it. It's just it's antlers are behind the thick bush I had. I had dear forty yards and had a little fawn hop up for like three ft in front of me and give me the this noise that one ah, and we we were making jokes. It might not be funny to the listeners, but it's funny to me. So they're fucking gonna hear it. Let's deal with it. So this dough, I'm stalking up these deer and this dode literally is feet away from me, and I'm crawling on my belly trying to get to this velvet buck, and this little fawn hops up and barks right in my face at three ft. And if anybody's ever seen Jurassic Park, there's a scene where the like the the British professional hunter gets killed by the raptors, and when the female raptor pops up to just take him out, he goes clever Girl. And when that hunts popped up in my head, I just put clever Girl and the hunt was over there and they all ran. And so I've had a mirriad the other day with Remy. Yesterday with Remy in the morning, I was like through ten ft from a bedded deer and I went to draw and tried to get him to stand up, and not only did he not stand up, he crawled. I saw where he did it. He crawled under the bush and put his antlers in the bush and then wrapped around the bush and laid there while I was ten feet away, just holding tight hold. I was making turkey gobbles I was doing, and he just held tight and then he waited and waited and burst out of there like a canon, and he was gone, Yeah, it's not a it's not an easy species to go after, which just denotes the level of skill that we've got hanging around here at some level. What else do you want to say about this hunt, Sam, I feel like coming to the tail end of our I mean, there's not much more to say. I mean, it's just last year was a blast, and you never know, like how round two is gonna go, Like it could either be way better or it could be you know, like last you know, like yeah, last year was all new and fun and exciting, and so it was all this, you know, and then you hype it up too much in your mind and then it turns out like it's not like that again. But it was way better this year, but it was last year even way better, way more fun, way more laughed, way more dear kill. Unbelievable, unbelievable. Yeah, man, yeah, it's it was. It was great. Yeah, it was great. Hopefully you know, the hunting community. I think a lot of people followed along and have, you know, put some attention on our our efforts here this week. And I think what's important is that there's a bunch of people who are trying to represent everyone you know, and have been given a platform to do that. I think that's what's important to me, is that there's ree things. It's the platform, it's the people, and it's the message. Those are the things that are important to me. And reason why we put these hunts together is for that reason, because it elevates not only the message, but the people. And they already have the platform, which is social media or whatever. So I think that's what's important and hopefully um everyone can think about that they're hunting lives. Man. It's like, think about the people you hunt with, like are they making you better? Are they challenging you to be better? Are they challenging you to do things in a different way or or pushing you to be good? Thoughtful? And you know, like, what's your message to everyone else? If you choose to talk to everyone, you don't have to. You can go hunt and never say a word about it. But and then what plat what's the platform that you want to tell that story? And if you can think in those three ways and nothing, you're doing it right. And I think all the people that we find it with this week have figured that ship out in spades and we're all better for it. I would agree with that, agreed. Yea perfect look up el Chopo. I want you to all follow him. Everybody needs to follow him. He doesn't have a very exciting Instagram. Maybe this triple this will help. But it's mystery, Like the only the only because he didn't have his phone when he shot his deer. The only photo that he has is a screenshot that I took of his deer hanging in Bob the Butcher's shop. Yeah, not only like it adds to the level of mystery. Yeah, did he shoot a dear? It doesn't matter, there's no way to know I mean his Fannie packs covered in blood. That's good evidence. Do we need to give out his his handle? Yeah, we should do it. So it's at will Owe and nine two. His real name his El Choppo, but his fake stage name is will Owe, his pen name if you will. He was born in the year nineteen ninety two, which it makes me young man, a lot of room to a lot of room to grow. But forever will we'll be able to say he was the star of Lanai Part two. It really was. Okay, thank you Samuel, thank you bye. So that's it, episode number thirteen in the books. Thanks for joining. Thanks to Sam for sitting in talking with me, helping to recap what was an epic trip in an epic place. Great people, great meat for the table stories. The last is quite a long time and and hopefully it'll all be encapsulated and a bunch of good content, a bunch of good photos that we're all able to share with you guys. Um if you want to hear see any of the content from the trip, you can check out some of Yetti's Instagram posts or any of the social media of any of the guys that were on the trip. It's should be pretty cool. You should be able to get a good idea of what it was like to be here and hunt this amazing place with these amazing people, and kind of what I would say is is one of the best hunting crews ever assembled, save for myself, because I didn't kill any deer. Unless I do right after I record this, then I'll tell you all about it. But thanks for joining. If you want to go to the Hunting Collective dot com, you can check out particles, videos, podcasts. The other twelve podcast last week was Fred Eikler. Please go listen to that when Fred's a badass, had a good time tricky hunting with him out in Colorado. Didn't do a bunch of advertising on that podcast because I was running quick one and I but it is up. A lot of people have already listened to it commented on it. But please go listen to that podcast with Fred. I love that guy. Other than that, you've got Steve Ronella, You've got John Dudley, You've got all Brief Arcis, Charles Post, Shane Mahoney. There's a bunch of so go check them out. Whether you like bold game cooking from somebody like Jesse Griffith's. Or you want tips and tactics from somebody like Aaron Snyder, you're gonna get it there at the honey Collection dot com. So thanks for listening to episode number thirteen. We'll see you next week. Bye,

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