00:00:01 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome episode number twelve the Hunting Collective. I've been O'Brien and today we are joined by Fred Eichler. Fred Eichler has been in the outdoor industry for quite a while, twenty seven years to be exact. He's an outfitter, he's a TV show host, he's a writer, a photographer, a man of many talents. And not only that man, he is a fun dude to hang around with. And I had the pleasure of turkey hunting at Full Draw Outfitters in near Aguilar, or Colorado, where he's based at the base of the Spanish Peaks of beautiful range that runs through that part of the world. And you know, to say that his properties and ranches are impressive with me an understatement, and the place he lives, the lifestyle he lives, his family um is impressive. And I enjoyed hanging out with him. And we killed a turkey on Saturday. Cool story, what you'll hear about. And we went on what he calls a game drive. And the game drive was just riding around the truck looking for animals. So at the tail end of our game drive, we hopped on the microphones and did a podcast. It's a little impromptu, a little crazy, a little all over the place, but in an awesome conversation nonetheless. So without further ado, Episode number twelve, Fred Eichler, we live. Where are we at? Fred? And I always like to ask people when we're doing this, where where we are? To describe our surroundings. Well, we're in southern Colorado. Uh, we're actually on the back of our ranch. Um, and uh, beautiful country. We're in kind of ponderosa spruce. Um, we're gonna drop it down into some more sage and cedars in juniper country. But uh, that's whe're at southern called right on north of Trinidad and the south of Pueblo. Yeah, we're driving. We're in the truck and we're moving. We're driving through beautiful valley where like the Spanish peaks are right to our the tailgate of our truck. And uh, Fred's house and it's beautiful family and garden and horses and goats and chickens and dogs. It's quite another pigs and then so I didn't see a pig, but no, well I am considered one of the but the local swan. But yeah, my wife says, I eat it all but uh yeah, we're not We're not lacking. We're not dog poor as you can see. And and uh yeah, the the animals are a big, big part of what we do, whether it's kettle or horses or like you said, the chickens, chicken eggs and chickens all good. How long have you had this ranch? I mean you have a series of properties, but how long specifically on this You know, we've leased this one for coming up on twenty years. Um, we've owned it for about third teen fourteen years and uh been a blast. Uh, you know, a lot of work. The couple we got it from, their their biggest thing was that they wanted to see it. Uh you know, see it continue to be a working, a working ranch. So I did a lot of work in the fences. Um they were getting up in age and and just you know, I didn't didn't want to do some of the work that you know, really it entails, you know, running a ranch. So that's what we've done. You know, we we've continued to work the we worked around. We do a little farming, run a few cows, um of course round the outfitting business, which is a big part of what we do. And you know, The beautiful thing for us is, like you saw this morning, we've done a lot of things to help improve the habitat, whether that's playing on file ful fields, oape fields, wheat fields, um in some cases corn farther east. But we do a lot of things to try and draw in a lot of different game and make it a place where where you can really enjoy like a game drive that we this morning. Yeah, it's a whole different version of a game driving than the one in like south east Louisiana, or they chase the deer around shooting with rifles. I mean, yeah, driving around on the road we're on right now, and this is just a kind of a ranch road. It looks like a county road, but I mean it's a ranch road that cuts through the middle of this valley. Um. And we saw turkeys, many many turkeys. We saw mule deer, we saw white tailed deer, we saw elk. I mean that's pretty good. That's that's four And we've been driving around since you know, five this morning. It's ten thirty and we've seen all those and not just one here or they're piles of them, piles of them over the place. Yeah, I mean, what a place. What a place to live. I mean you're talking about we haven't same black bears. Not quite. Yeah, late enough in the year for the spring is not far enough along for that just yet. But you said here, in a couple of weeks, they'll be in every field and every hillside, they'll be a bear black bear. And I love that you were just as passionate you get up this morning and go take a game drive. You know. I was like, hey, you've already got this beautiful bird, let's go take a drive. And uh, let's get up early. And some guys are like, no way, I'm sleeping in. You were like, heck, yeah, man, I'll be up at five. I'll be ready to let's go. And I have a honey bun get to work totally. The other thing we were talking about is just you know, I work in a corporate environment some of the time, you know, most the ball in my life spent working at nine to five. And I get to do this more than almost a lot of folks that have that situation for their jobs. But like just the feeling of getting up and in the first fifteen minutes of your day getting you know, fresh mountain there and nature and animals and sunlight like that makes you feel better, I got I'm not sure what circadian rhythms are, like, what fancy words you would use for that for in psychology, but it makes you feel better. You just feel better, happier person. We were talking about ranchers we run into. They're all just the happiest people you've ever man, And that's not always a case. You meet somebody you know in the city, and I have nothing against cities, They're fine. But in this case, man, this is a happy place to be. I think, Oh, I love it. It's uh, definitely different than when you when you're go into town. But like you said, we woke up this morning. We had birds goblin off the roost. Oh yeah, right by your right by the lodge. You know, beautiful sunrise. Who watched the sun come up with you know, snow covered mountains in the background. If anybody wants to sleep through that, what's what are you? Yeah? Would? And now it's yeah, I felt like we've been up. I felt this. Man, it must be dinner time. It's ten thirty in the a m. We've been up cruising around for five hours having a good time. So yeah, that's what it is. I think we should probably let everybody in on how the turkey hunt went down, because I came here to check out your place. We've been trying to get that together for a while. Your flight was a roadeo. I flew out of Austin, flight, got canceled out of Austin, finally got on a plane to Denver, got to Denver, snowstorm, snowstorm. Flight went out of Denver on time. What we got up here? Right? Turkeys are everywhere. They're everywhere, these turkeys. But I had to please, please, do you see any that's the fun part of this. Yeah, so we're huge stuff storms coming. We get on, but they put us on the plane anyways. They fly us all the way to Colorado Springs. Short flight, forty minutes. We get almost on the ground, maybe a couple of thousand feet from the deck from the runway, and the at the last minute, the pilot pulls up, turns around and flies back to Denver and comes on a loud speaker and says, we couldn't see the runway, so we had to go back, and we're gonna go back and refuel and we'll see if we can try it again. I thought, well, that sounds safe. We'll get we'll try try. There's a storm coming in, but we'll try again anyway, Thanks Feller. Anyway, we waited a couple of hours and flew back. Finally did land at like midnight or something, and so it was a full twelve eighteen. I was like fourteen hour day in the airports. Finally finally made it on Saturday morning. Yeah, but what time I think you didn't even roll in? And yeah, I woke up it well, it was two and two and a half hours away, So I woke up at six and I got a bite to eat and got my hunting license and drove down. It was wentn't here untill nine thirty probably something like that, and we were I was changed it in the truck probably by ten o'clock, a little bit after I forgot my shotgun at the lodge. You were a little tired. We drove all the way almost to the spot we're gonna hunt, and one of the guys called, It's like, hey, there's a shotgun back here. Does that belong to anybody in the truck? So yeah, I had to go back and get my shotgun, got that done, and then uh got back out to the the business like a plout. It's like a plot, food plot right on this kind of river bed area and take it from there. Yeah, right off the pur turt rivers. So awesome. I was excited to have you out because I know you've been an avid hunter your old life, and I know you know a lot about the turkey hunting, and you know, turkey season has already been open, uh you know for what week and a half, and uh, I was hoping to get you out early, but you know, hey, the way the schedules worked, you came out a little into season. So I'm like, all right, let's just go straight out and hunt. And I loved it because you were like, okay, yeah, I've been up for a long time, but let's do this zip straight out into the woods. And uh it was. It was awesome because we came into this little area. I said, you don't what usually some turkeys in this big, big field here. Sure enough the birds were there, gobbler sauce and he took off running to the left and it was great as the hands went to the right and both of us were like, well that's perfect. So we slipped down into the river bottom and I said, well, let's just both call really softly. So I made a few purse few yelps, real soft. You made a few Persian yelps, like we were answering each other back in four Earth. And I said, then let's be quiet, and you know, we'll start up another sequence and you know, twenty thirty minutes or so. So it was awesome because you slipped into this little hole. And that's my biggest concern. And you can tell if somebody's got experienced turkey hanging right away, right, you know, if if they get themselves in a position where even if for birds close, they can't move. And you know, you crawled into this little blowdown. And it was awesome because I had just one of those little cheap, oh you know, hand held little cameras because I thought, man, it's been kind of cool if I get video, because I like watching it and sharing it with with my fans. You know, it's like, hey, let's check out a hunt. So I sit down about yards away from you. And what was really cool was we had got done with our sequence. We're sitting there, the sun had just come out. You know, it's been snowing a little bit early, and sun had just broken through the clouds, and both of us heard this raven just out there, just you know, making a racket, you know, and both of us were intently listening for a shot gobble. Surely they will be a shock gobble off this raven and you know, crow out there making up making a rock as ravens are a lot bigger and their sound carries even more. And I thought, surely we'll hear a gobble. Nothing. So I'm sitting there and waiting, you know, looking over your way, and I can see you kind of scanning slowly, and all of a sudden, I gets this nice gobbler, probably a three d a half year old birds, you know, walking in from the left, and he is doing the super sneak? Was it not the crazy like he was like cat, I've never seen not only you know turkey, I've seen turkey sneak, but I've never seen a turkey as deliberately pick his foot up and put it down like where it totally matter where his and his feet were, it were, he didn't want to step on a leaf anything. And a comfortable turkey will come in and they like looking around maybe yeah, maybe, yeah. Drummond has been excited. He was the most. He's like, I'm gonna check this out. Maybe there's a lady over here, maybe there isn't, but I'm not gonna let anybody know what I'm up to. He was full on Bobcat mode, full on educated, educated d It was so awesome because I spotted first, because he came on my side, you know, from the hard left, so my body was probably blocking this purgec he comes sneaking past. He goes past me at I don't even know tht fifteen yards right on top of me. I'm not moving, but again that's where full camo head, net gloves all. That makes such a difference. That we were both camoed head to toe. We both had great cover, so our outlines were broken up. Bird walks right past me and he's kind of look. You could tell he's looking for where are these hands? I just heard two hands over here, And it was so cool because I saw you when I looked over you, I watched you slowly lift up the gun and I'm like, oh yeah, and the bird never saw you move. Never so great. So this bird there's hands to our right, and I'm looking that way because I'm thinking maybe we'll get one of those guys fired up. If at any rate I'd like to see if they're they're hanging around, we got a better chance that way. And I just kind of you know how you do, you slowly scan and in from right to left, left to right, not jerking your head around, trying to stay relatively motionless, because I've done. In fact, I was just hunting turkey hunting in Texas, and uh, I had a guy there with me that didn't have gloves but a face mask, and I was over calling, like maybe seventy five yards away in his hands. I mean, I was like, dude, I just texted him and like, dude, keep your hands down if you can, because I could see nothing but your hands from over here. And imagine me a hundred yards away. Imagine what a turkey can see from fifteen yards if I can see it from a hundred yards away. And so yeah, I just I think this bird, Uh, I don't know if he saw the decoy we had out there, he saw what we I don't think he did. I think he was just kind of sneaking through that area and and I just slowly picked the gun up and he was right behind a branch, and well, I perfectly, just could help, could hold there and wait for him to walk in fifteen yards and Cole, he was done. Was that quickly? It was so I actually got it on camera, like we gotta check it out, because literally I was fraid I couldn't move the camera. It was like I can't move, I can't move. And finally it was like there was a little bit of a tree and I flipped it open and I got you and you could see your your already up with a gun ready to rocket, roll like turn over, and the turkeys like walking. And as soon as he stopped, you made a perfect just headhead. Oh there's a big gobbler right to look at the rope on that gobbler right there. That's so awesome. That was some big birds up here. That was a dragger that one. How many how many turkeys do you think you've seen? I mean, not counting the fifty that we're roosted over two hundred. Yeah, that's been. That's been a yeah, I mean that's not that's probably conservative. Yeah, two hundred easy, without even trying. We've got a lot of and it's not like we've been like sitting and looking for him and driving around the roads. Now we've seen two hundred I mean, and then you know of that two hundred forty mature gobblers. I don't know so much fun they're hammering right now too. It's a nice bluebird day there, bounces are just strutting around hammering, having a good time. But yeah, I mean that that's the case. I you know, I just went through a Texas turkey and that was four days and it was terrible, and I was in Florida for a turkey and it rained the entire time. So the fact that we got out there and sat down, the sky came blue and the turkey walked in, I'll take it. Oh, is that all? You work so hard for him? Sometimes it's amazing, you know me. We're talking about that yesterday. I just that's one of the things I love about turkey hunting is you know, one day you can swear it's like, this is the smartest bird I've ever seen. You know, days go by, you can't call one in, they're not reacting to calls, they're not doing you know, what they're supposed to do. And then the next day, boom, Sometimes same turkey. Say yeah, that's what I always that's what we were saying, you know, another podcast just about how sometimes they seem like the dumbest thinks. Somebody said it looked like a roomba puffed up room. But just they're not knowing what to do. And then sometimes like this thing is like a ghost, like you can't you see him in the in the tree in the morning. They fly down the gobbel once and then they're gone. Um. But in this case, you take what you can get, especially I love eating turkeys, so I generally don't get into like is he a two year old or a three? Like is he have a rope and spurs? All right, perfect, it's a turkey and a face. I'll shoot him in the face after That's how kind of how it's it's nice to have that just done back my mind because we were talking to my wife loves to buy the chicken. We don't buy red meat at all from the store, but she still wants white meat, which I respect. I don't tell HERM only eat red meat. She wants white meat. So every wants I shall buy chicken. And I've been trying to cut that down and so quail doves turkeys, but turkeys the most the easiest way to get that done to mitigate the chicken buying situation for the meat, not the eggs. So you're working out you're adding all the white meat to the household, trying to that's that's the number of turkey number three this year. So that's enough the last us a while. It's a good reason to be out hunting at least so good too, and it's good for you, and I think that's I think really people are starting to get educated, like how much healthier it is to eat wild game. And then you've you know, I would say one thing that we haven't even talks since been right around the truck, but I always want to talk to you about a bunch of things. But you've been living, you know, that's out hunting lifestyle for how many years? Would you say, I mean your whole life, probably, but in the industry when I was a kid, but yeah, you know, I started off as a young kid working in archery shop, UM and bear archery, and then uh, you know, when I was twenty one, I started managing an archery shop and four Collins, Colorado, which is northern Colorado, and uh, you know, I've been in the archery, archery industry and hunting industry since then, um, you know then you know, got just been very fortunate. You know, a lot of people ask me how did you get the hunt industry? And I'm like, hey, you know what a lot of his right place, right time, you know, really cool. I'm passionate about hunting. I've always been an outdoor communicator. And by that I mean if somebody showed a little interest in hunting, I'm like, well, come on with you. You want to shoot a bow or a rifle, or you know, you want to go shoot a handgun, Well let's go, you know, trying to you know, just like anything you're passionate about. You want another species? Nice an lope on the right? That five? Yeah, yeah, I think that is five species. Now, you're right, white tail, mule, deer, elk. Now is that the big five? Well, I'm not early in on them clature. That's the big five. We're calling that. I'm a big Colorado five. I like it, Big five Colorado, big five, elk, Muli's white tail, turkeys, antelope. I like it. Sorry continues no, no, no, so. But I've always been passionate about it. And you know, when Eastern asked me to, you know, do the Eastern Bow Hunting Show awesome, and then Predator Nation. Um. You know, a lot of people in the industry would come out of your hunting with us and see that I was pretty avid predator hunter. Um, you know, selling for or some things like that. So yeah, I've been fortunate. Man, I've been in the industry long time, starting outfitting business. Um. I think it's the twenty six year um, something like that that I've been guiding clients. And I absolutely love it because it's people that are passionate about the same things I'm passionate about him, right, and I love it. I mean it's you get to beat some great people. And really, I mean I think it would be hard to just randomly pick any any sport and just be able to make the statement that those people are just great people. Yeah, it's hard. I mean there's you know, I'm sure as a guy, do you have plenty of bad apple stories. And sometimes that's the funnest part in a camp. You hear like, hey, a couple of years ago, I had this guy and you to laugh and laugh about it. But yeah, but it is rare, right, I mean, and for you that many' not good at math, that's thousands depends of like thousands of people that you've taken honey, over the years. That's super rare to have somebody that you don't get along with or that you don't you know, you don't relate with. And whether it's you know, on the whole gamut, you know, in the way that you know, relationships and you know what I mean, kids the way they should be raised, and you know what I mean, you know, politically, you know, almost everybody seems to have that same you know, feeling about a lot of those things. And I love that. Yeah, I mean, you know, whether it's church, political, family raising, there just seems like to me, hunters, America, patriotism. You know, there's so many things that that hunters or outdoorsmen, whether it's a fisherman, uh, a hunter, you know, you guys that do the rodeo circuit. There's so many of those guys have so many things in common that it's really it's it's a neat group of people. Yeah, what are these folks doing. We're on the highway here and there's people with American flag? That cool? What it don't tread on me flag? Yeah, you know, these guys are here a lot and it's so awesome. Um, you see them out here, and it's just I think it's just a reminder like, hey, guys, you know, support support Americans. That's what they're doing. Yeah, that's bad and that awesome out here in the middle of nowhere. I mean, you know, we're we're off right. Yeah, and the honey exit. But what were we talking about before we ran into this guy? We're talking about the hunting your history Turkey talking about me being passionate about getting people involved in the and the hunting industry and the history of your health fitting business. But going twenty six years and you've seen a lot in the hunting industry, right, So if you say twenty six years in the hunting issue doesn't sound like a very long time. Well, I watched the scope for muzzleloaders to you know, modern center fire. Yeah, and you watch punt guns. We started with punt guns. No, I haven't seen a lot of changes in the industry. Um, some some good changes and some that you know that I would say, maybe you know, weren't good to be perfectly honest. So it is it's always fun, um watching you know, watching the changes in the industry. UM, seeing the ebbs and flows and what what's hot, what's not new products? So there's so much innovation, Like it amazes me when I think of the guys that climb Mount Everest, for example, and you know, leather shoes, I'm like, really, well, you know there's guys they can't complete it now with the most updated footwear, you know, and there's been so many you know, just just like coolers, there's been so much technology that the change in technology, you know, with what you guys are doing, the clothing that we're wearing. You know, the firearms, they know what it used to be you had to reload if you wanted to get a really accurate rifle. I don't feel like I have to reload anymore because there's so many options and so many great bullet manufacturers out there, you know what I mean. It's like, holy cow. You know, I can find a hornery and anything I need, you know what I mean. Just like you know, can you imagine thirty years ago? You know what I mean, we use coolers If if you got ice to stay most of the day, you were like, yes, man, I gotta, I gotta, I got a heck of a cooler. So you know, some of the end vasition, no matter what the you know, no matter what it was, you know, has been amazing to me and fun to watch. Yeah, when do you see like the you know, it's funny with this like perspective is is hilarious. At some points, do you think, like we go out, now, you shoot most of shoot a recurve right exclusively shoot a recurve at this point, No, I shoot it all still, you know, to be you know, I grew up shooting muzzleloaders and rifles and shotguns and bows, and but I did start out with the compound. Early on. I went to a recurb because I really enjoyed it. And I first went to the recurve because I thought, man, I love the challenge of a recurve. And once you get good with the recurve, all of a sudden, I was like, man, I think, really there's more of a challenge to shoot a compound because I don't, you know, I don't need all this stuff. I just draw back, I shoot. It's more natural way to shoot. So but I do you know, I still use the recurve the majority of the time, use a compound hunting predators. I use a little bit of everything. You know, air rifle, handgun, rifle, shotgun, you name it, um, but I love it all. Yeah, yeah, and and specific clean archery always because I think, you know, modern rifles have evolved, but rifles have been around for quite some time. Honting world, non Honting world, whatever. I mean, there's hundreds of years of history there. Uh. With archery though, Like I don't think folks in the modern archery world understand how quickly things have evolved from a stick bow from the old struggle stick to what they are now, or from the first wheelbow. What years the first wheelbow made in when they first came out with that in early eighties, seventies, seventies, I mean that's how many years? Yeah, and so and now look at what they've got. Yeah, within like a fifty years span, we've gone from sticks and strings and and sharp kN objects on the point of a uh, aluminum arrow to carbon fiber and cams systems and let off plus feet per second. I mean, do you do you have any opinions on that? Just the way that it's evolved, in the way that it's evolving, and what you've seen or like to see or yeah, you know, you know it's probably the same thing. I think there's pluses and minuses to everything depending on where you stand. Um you don't, don't get me wrong, you know, I want to see everybody pick up a bow or a shotgun or a rifle and enjoy the outdoor sports. I think it's you know, best thing for kids, young girls, young boys. You need to get into, you know, and see where meat comes from, because the fact is we all impact wildlife. Everybody kills animals, even if you're a vegetarian, because you know the land they're having to clear. I've got to literally stop the truck here for these antelope. We got some more an they gotta go under the fence, under the fence. I lost some hide on that one. I think it's evolutionist why they do that. It has to be because they were out here for you know, thousands of years without fences, so they always went around things. But when the fences came, they started going under. I've only seen two antelope jump fences my whole life, and I wouldn't be. Probably a deer or whites started jumping mule deer or white tail deer and hop right over that fast. I wasn't even there, but look at where mule there and white tail live there. Used to coming across down trees and you know what I mean, a lot of things that they had to jump over. You know, where's antelope. I'm in the prairie, jumping over something really wasn't much of an issue ever. Yeah, imagine you can see and I imagine you can see with the prong or just like they're running across the road underfences, they've got two hooks the bucks do on the on the top of the head, and so they're like, well, how am I gonna go. I'm gonna either try to jump over this thing, which is I don't normally do, or I'm gonna use these hooks lifted up and go under. Its common sense. I know we got off on a tanger because I saw those antilope. But yeah, so, like I said, I think there's pluses of minuses. I mean, look at muzzleloaders for example. You know, just to pick on an example, archeries changed a lot. I mean, you know, I I shoot a traditional bow, but holy cow, do I take care? Do I take advantage of the new carbon fibers, you know what I mean? And and you know, some of the new technology you know, in my holy recurve, you're dang right, I do. You know what I mean? I love it, you know what I mean, the you know, the risers, there's all kinds of you know, the machines that are doing cranking out some of these bows now, even the custom boagers or using new products that are making those bows faster, compounds, faster than they've ever been. Muzzleloaders. I grew up shooting, you know, a percussion and flintlock muzzleloaders. They didn't have an inline. They come out with inlines now and these guys are shooting those three four hundred yards as accurate as a center fire, rightful. So even though I like the technology, at the same time, sometimes I go, you know, I'm glad we have certain seasons that are set up for more primitive, you know weapons for those guys that choose to do that. It's all about having that option and the right flintlock. There's's such a big difference between the flintlock and an old you know what I mean, hammer percussion as opposed to an inline, as opposed to a lombo recur as opposed to a compound. You know, there's just big changes. Yeah, when we were talking about the other day, like the you know, appreciating the experience and all the things you're a man, hunted reaker of all the time, you surely appreciate struggle like and I wouldn't do it without the struggle at some level. Off like it was easy our turkey and was easy, but it wasn't easy because we've locked that turkey in a cage and let him out and then shot him. It was easy because the circumstance allowed. We got lucky he split off from the hens. And you don't you say that though, But here's the thing, and I do think you know, it was awesome and quick turkey on. Had we been inexperienced turkey hunters, had either of us moved too much like your buddy that didn't have gloves on, and we hadn't had full camo, full face masks, had you not been an experienced hunter that turned his head super super slow to the left, you know that bird would have caught us and taken off and maybe neither of us would have even seen it. So the fact that we were brushed in super good. You know, you see what I'm saying. It's funny. I think there's some little things. That is your gaining experience. More you get more lucky. Let's put it that way. And I would say there's a coyote hunter out of a Texas named Wyman Menzer and him and I I mean he kills. He has a book of kyote kills from vent and it's probably three pages long, and he recorded every kyote he ever killed. And that guy taught me all kinds of stuff about where to sit and how to be, and how to move and how to look. Sit in the shade, don't ever sit in the sun. Point this direction, move this way, move that way, just about hunting coyotes. And then you apply that to every type of you know, sit and shoot hunting scenario, and all of a sudden you were able to do what we were able to do exactly. But like you said, the harder you work, and you know that old adage, the harder you work, the luckier you get. Yeah, I think there's a lot of truth to that's true. But now I think as hunters we get addicted to and appreciate someone who is willing to work harder to get accomplish what they came for. Right, And like you have killed, have you killed all the species in North America, Like, yeah, it was actually I was actually the first one to take all um species, so kind of cool. And it didn't matter if I was first to the you know, two thousands. It was a personal goal that I set upon myself. I wondered if I was tough enough, uh to to harvest you know, all twenty nine species, and uh boy, there were a few times I would have told you I wasn't, you know, doll sheep freezing freezing my butt off on the side of a mountain, you know what I mean, trying to hide in a little little snow I carved out to keep the wind off. You know. There are a few hunts that I went, huh, man, I guess I'm not. But you know, I ended up working out and it was such a cool thing for me to go, Yeah, I was able to do that with a recurve, and that's that's an accomplishment. You know. It's really cool. And as you know, it's it's not necessarily about the animal that you harvested. It's about the people, the places, you know, And I love that. Like you showed me a picture the other day and it was so cool because you were actually talking about New Zealand. And here's something. Don't get a big head now, but I noticed I noticed little things like this. You didn't show me. Most people would show a picture of a dead animal, and here's something that I noticed. You didn't show me a picture of the animal you shot. The first thing you showed me was look at how beautiful it is. And your picture had the mountains with a cloud in it, and I was like, man, that's a cool hunting picture, because bottom line is that's what it's really about. It's the beauty being out there. Don't get me wrong, I love eating while game as much as you do, and I totally understand you're trying to get rid of the chicken and get the turkey work to the dinner plane. But but you know what I mean, that's that's sometimes the way I can. You know, when you did that, I was like, man, that's really cool. I can totally relate to that, because that is as big a part of the experience as harvesting in the animals. So I thought that was need. It wasn't a hey man, look at this animal I harvested. It was hey man, look at how beautiful this area was. And that was the first picture you showed me, and I'm like, because I was trying to like, this is what we're talking about New Zealand too, but it's I feel that and we were I was actually talking to another guy there in camp about Hawaii and he I occur occur. It occurs to me now that you say that that I never showed him a picture of a dead access to her. I assumed you just fucking knew what that looked like. I didn't, and and assumed I wouldn't lie to when I when I told my shot one there, he doesn't really need to see it. But that's to me, that's awesome. What I can't describe is the mountain, right. I can't describe that to you. If I said, hey, hey, you know what here, let me describe this, you'd be like, yeah, that sounds great, and then I should like, here's what the picture looks like. Oh well, now way better than way how he described it. There's no way to describe that thing. But for the animal, I would assume most people have seen some of that stuff. When you say access to her, you instantly go okay um, and you know I'm not immune to those things. But I think that's just I've talked about it a lot in this podcast, is about just evolving as a hunter. Like and I think your example of what strikes me about you know, what you have going on here in Colorado and just the lifestyle that you live. What strikes me about it is I was looking at like my generation, my generation's version of the outdoor industry, and then the generation proceeding or you know before me, what their version of the outheroor industry was, and I feel like it's very different, and they're kind of merged together now. You know, outdoor TV and print magazines are kind of at some point the only people that you would hear from about hunting were either writing it into magazine at some point. And then with the proliferation of DVDs and videos which you were part of, and and further onto television and even further on social media changed the game completely for everyone because now everyone had a voice. And so like my generation is used to everybody having a voice at some level, or at least have gotten used to it. You know, prior generations were used to like guys like yourself and real experts, real people that put their lives directly in the center point of outdoor lifestyle and said I'm gonna live this and I'm gonna tell my story and try to educate you along the way. And so I think the perspective change is like now anybody like me or anyone else can have a podcast or have a social media thing and can speak their mind for good and of course sometimes bad, anytimes bad. Um, what's that? What's it like for you to have seen? You know? What I would assume is a generational change, and I'd agree. I mean, even when I was younger, I learned from my dad, you know what I mean, My dad learned from his dad. That's you know, that's how things were passed down. And you know, my hunting ethics, Um, my knowledge of the birds and the plants and the things that I see came from my dad pushing that on me, like you know, if you want to be. And it wasn't so much even a hunter, you know, back then, it was an outdoorsmen and that encompassed a wide range of skills. It was how to properly build a fire. It was knowing, you know, the trees around you, was how to cut down a tree properly? You know, it was how to you know, always pick up the trash, always leave things like you found it. Um, you know how to how to take care of the meat. You know. It was a huge part of that generation. And I think and handing that down and I think you bring up a great point. It was it's interesting that I've got to see that the change because now that social media and TV and things like that. You know, unlike some people, I never went out. My goal wasn't to go, man, I'm gonna be on TV. Man, I'm gonna start a TV show. So I think I'm a little different the fact that you know, they came to me, you know, Eastern and said, hey, we've hunted with you, We've been out here at your ranch, and we would like you to host our TV show. So I kind of came into it totally differently than and I'm not faulting anybody, more power to them, but some people have gone, man, my goal is to be TV right, a TV hunter. That was never my goal. I was tickle Pink and still him being an outfitter and guy hunters for a living. That's what started this and that's what I still do every day. I mean, you know, the last week, you know, I've know a guy to do. I got a guy, Chris, you know what I mean, God's an animal, which is really cool. Craig Bodington. You know, I've had some really great people from the industry and had a chance to learn from him. But the crossover for me was now, I meet so many people when I'm at events or at shows or things like that that go, hey, man, I'm so glad you did this. I learned to skin a coyote from watching you, Or I learned to to hang a tree stand from watching you do it. Or I learned how to care, which even more important to me. Really if you if you are lucky enough to harvest an animal, man, I learned how important it is to peel the skin off an antelope quickly and get it into cooler so it doesn't taste like crap, do you know what I mean? So you know, so that so that experience is good from the beginning, from education, safety, you know, going out, maybe getting lucky enough to harvest an animal, but all the way, you know, that whole field to table movement, to me is is really a very It's a it's a great movement because it really is. It's an experience from going out the field hunting all the way to eating that meal and having a good experience all the way through. You know, if at the end of that you put it in your mouth and you're like, all right, that tastes like crap. My dog won't eat it, it stinks on the plate, it's stunk up the house when I cooked it, Well, then that's a bad experience. But it's been interesting to me because I think, sadly, a lot of people and I say that because we're getting farther and farther removed from farm ranch communities. A lot of people, a lot of kids, you know, not because they didn't weren't interested in hunting, but their parents just weren't a position where they could take them hunting. You know, you've been to my house. I can step out the backyard and shooting elk, shoot a turkey. You know, our boys shoot there twenty twos. You know we've got to We've got a range twenty yards from my front door. Ye, your kids are certified bad. Yeah, we got to shoot trap. Yes, well, we had a couple of lucky shots. But I mean, Trent all the boys love to shoot, and Trent is how old is he just turned thirteen. He could shoot Kenny. I don't think he missed know it with a four ten, I'm rocking a twelve gage. I think I missed a couple of times. He's dangerous, He's dangers But so, you know, my point was, there's a lot of people that were never introduced to it, like you were by your father, like I was by my father. So because social media and TV has become so huge, I think this is the way a lot of people are getting their information and and interestingly enough, and that's why I think it is so important for people to to act a certain way or respect the animals and respect the meat. All the way through. Some people are learning not only how to hunt or how to handle firearms, whether it's safely or unsafely, sadly, but also to a degree they're hunting ethics by people they're watching. We emulate very complex and and exactly, you know, and there's all kinds of decisions in the field that you make every day. But it's it's interesting to me, and I really try and stay cognizant. Did you hear that? It was my big word the day got a calendar? Yeah? I got that. The source here in the truck. Yeah. See, there you go. There's you have the source. Most guys have just google it, right, So I'm still the source. But I tried to be appreciated. Bro, thanks for coming on. But I do I try to try to be super aware of what I'm saying, what I'm showing, um, you know, because you know, I realized that there may be a young person their whole introduction to hunting or the outdoors maybe what they see me doing. So I try and be very cognizant of that. So that's I'm glad you brought that up because what I've seen. Um, I've had this podcast for this the episode number twelve. UM, so not long, three or four months. But during that time, there was a report released one that the hunting license sales went down from twenty I think in eleven sixteen, from fourteen million to eleven million. Not good. The funding was a business would be stock befallen um. And at the same time, you look at the demographics in that eleven million excuse to and older. I think it's I can't remember the percentage those folks are sixty five and older. And that's gonna leave a gap, a giant gap. When that fifty five and older generation goes away and is no longer able to hunt. There's gonna be a giant gap for some a couple of decades where that eleven million is gonna go way down. And what's been happening, Thank the Lord, this has been happening, at least for for hunting sake and for our sake, is that a lot of people have been listening to things like this or watching your shows, like you said, picking up on not only that hunting is cool and fulfilling and makes your life better, healthy, healthy eating. Right, they're beginning excited about that point, but then also learning from the people that they see what it means to do it, what the stewardship and responsibility really is, and that I firmly believe that there's a new generation of hunters right now that are that are doing it for the first time that we're not taught by their fathers, Yes, sir, And so what's that allow us? That allows us a whole new generation of people that we can retrain or train again just like our fathers told us, or we can retrain them on a new way or a generationally appropriate way of hunting, and they can then they can then pass that down to their children. So in some ways we've shifted the center point of hunting from only the father to son or father to daughter or mother to you know, the patrimonial peace shift that two, here's a new generation of people. That guy's got a yetty juggle on his old Darryl. Darryl's shout out to Darryl Um. Anyway, I think that it's more generationally appropriate hunter, not only for the people that are just now going hunting for the first time because they heard you, or they heard Steve Ronnella, or they heard saw Lee or Tiffany, or they saw Remy Warren or whoever, or heard Joe Rogan's podcast, they're now just class and we got we're talking about that that we're coming town. We're covering that I did not know that. I'm very upset that I didn't know that. I felt very badly about that. Anyway, generationally, I think we'll have a group of hunters that are now going to change a little bit of the way it's done, and we'll still have the father to son Bob passed down to my son what I know, but we'll be able to kind of reshape it a little bit, which all the more important for what you do and to be saying what you're saying, like ethics matter, the moralities matter, the way you approach it matters. That's huge because there's people listening to this. I've got emails from I could read thirty of them to you right now. I said, I listen to your podcast. I'm gonna start hunting for the first time. I appreciate your approach and here I go off to the races in this awesome, ridiculously complicated thing. So it's right, man, And I think there really is. I think, you know, twenty years from now, they'll look back on this period of time is like the time where the demographic tonics began to change for the better, um in a good way because of social media. That's what I think. I like it. Maybe I'm wrong. Let's talk about just glass in for a second before I forget to talk about it. Because we were driving in the same road we're driving on right now, back to your lodge on this East ranch, and I brought up Joe Rogan's podcast. Actually, you brought up what a good guy Joe Rogan was. I said, that's really cool because I've never I've you know, I've never personally met Joe Rogan. Um and and my comment was, man, he's funny, seems like a really nice guy. And you actually threw a shout out and said, Manfred, he's a really good everything. You need stories of things he's done that no one would know about that. I don't really need to retell, but like just reasons he's good things he's done, awesome human being. Um And you said, oh, yeah, I know all about that because of that just glass in business, he played a video of me when you're hunting here. Yeah, I got all these calls all of a sudden, and that tells you, you know, Joe Rogan's following. But you know, I had a bunch of guys you know, contact me and they're like, man, Joe Rogan's podcast. I'm like what they're like. Honestly, you gotta check it out. It's so awesome. They use actually a clip of your mouse and you know you were doing your normal. You know, I grew up hunting public lands, so why don't you do anything? I get pretty jacked and it's embarrassing sometimes when you watch yourself on video. You ever watched stuff a video and gone, man, I thought I sounded so much better every time. Oh yeah, man, I'm loud. I didn't realize my nose was that giant, and my eyes I look like, you know, I look like you know, I gotta get yeah, yeah, yeah, I look a little weird. I didn't realize my eyes were so close together. I probably gotta get special made binocular. So it's you know, it's funny the things that you it's hard to watch yourself. But they were like, you gotta check it out. You're on there with a with a moose and and one of the guys that's gotta the hashtag just classing and wearing a you know, we're in a just classic shirt and it's because of something you said. So we don't want to ruin before you just go check it out. So literally multiple people, and I'm like what, So I go on there and I got so geeked up that we were and I said, man, I was I just shut the spoose. I was like, man, I just popped out of know where I was. I was just classing. I mean, I was just glassing and and and and here's the booze and they picked up on that and ran with it, and and and it was pretty funny. It started a hole, it started a whole movement um on you know, just glassing with Joe Rogan, So it was really it's a full on hashtag. Yeah, I hashtag this ship out of just way. I gotta hashtag that more. You got to get some royalties out of this, you know what the heck? Just glass and It's something that a lot of people say. I you know, and I don't want to swear to it, but I'm pretty sure that Joe Rogan started it. But he started it with my video of Mesa and just glassing. So you know what follow up? Would you do me a favorite follow up? We follow up because you may go, Fred, youre totally full of it and she always just playing YouTube video. Just Glass and Thing came from somebody else. But I'm telling you, I'm pretty sure. I don't know if you can get like some protection for that. I need to talk to It's great. I mean, you know, Joe, Hey, you know I need to be hooked up with this just Glass and Thing. Yeah, I need to be the spokesperson for just I love it. I'm just a glass and full Yeah, I just want people to know. Now I'll be able to promote this podcast based on the fact that could be like the origin story you got gas, you gotta read it. And I loved hearing that Joe's a good guy. That's really cool, I think fantastic, you know. And and some of the stories you said, and I won't repeat them, but just you know, you we were talking about this the other day. You can sometimes tell if somebody's a really truly good person if they do something kind, good, whatever it is, and they don't seek recognition for it, they do it behind the scenes. And some of the stories that you actually told, and I know you wouldn't expecting me to bring this up, but some of the stories you told about about Joe and doing things behind the scenes really made me go, that's awesome, really really cool, really cool. So it's nice to hear. You know, there's so many great people in this industry, and for me, it's nice to know that Joe is not just, you know what I mean, an outdoor communicator, but that he's a good guy to know and powerful for our for our world and our people and what we do for sure, And like you said, I mean, it goes back to just the people that you're with them. You come down here, and you have people from all over the country that come to sleep in the same building as you and follow you around the woods and and do a pretty complex emotionally. You know, you're pretty famous for you Well, I always call myself just that lucky redneck kiss to do what he loves to do, right, So it's you know, I've been really fortunate to be able to do what I absolutely love to do. And my wife commonly says, she goes, you know, we don't have an easy life, but we have a blessed life because we you know, you know, she works, she works hard, and so do I, but we love You wouldn't want it to be where's she going? And she comes, she's right here about maybe checking on the calves right now. So we had a we had a cow that had twins and uh, you know, it's pulling the mom down a little bit. So we've been kind of helping them checking them out. Yeah, are we gonna go right around some more? Yeah, I'm gonna go show you the top of this ridge. So are you go? Do you want to go with us? I don't know. Let me let me let me check with the ball. The view from up there is Yeah, that's what I want to say. Yeah, you need it, You're we need to take a picture of you up there. Yeah, and we can post it up so with people who can see that I'm not just we've taken Yeah, that's pretty awesome. I'm doing a podcast right now. We're still we're still rocking this thing. Ben's got it down. You want to hop in the truck, you want to go for the ride, bring it all right? We got the better looking and the the boss. The boss is in the truck now the boss, Yeah that way. Well. Well, and a lot of people don't know Michelle's history, you know, and it's so cool because Michelle's dad actually started um muzzy broadheads. Yeah, and a lot of my buddies, Um, when we first got married, they're like, oh, you married or just so you can get for broadheads. So I brought that up. We were at a function one time and be my wife for teasing each other and I said, well, I said, I just married you so I could get free broadheads. And my wife without missing a beat, she looks at me and she goes, well, that's okay, because I just married you so I could go on free hunts. And I went Wait a minute, let me think about this. I maybe go through five dollars in free broadheads a year, but I promise you my wife goes through about eighty thousand and guided elk, mule, deer, white tailed deer, mountain lion, turkey bear. You see what I'm saying. So she kind of went out on that deal, right, Yeah, she definitely went out. I know, we gotta open this gate. I'll get it. She's got it. No, she's good, We got it. Yeah, you guys can podcast together. I tell her sometimes, Hey, I really want to take you off for a ride, and it's just because I want to go check cows and I don't want to get out and get the gate. So it's beautiful, I'll drive and that's the gates. She's I mean, she's tough. Now. She helps when it's branding, it doesn't matter what we're doing. The garden she grows is ridiculously huge, and she cans hundreds and hundreds of courts. Well, you've had her, you've had her jelly grown. She grows the grapes, then she makes jelly out of the grapes she grew. She has nine bee hives. We get a ton of honey. Every year we eat almost everything we eat we either harvested or she grew, because she literally is like a pioneer woman. I joke around all the time, but I'm like, she could have been born a hundred years ago and she would have been just fine. Yeah, I was. I was there today. I saw and that's why when we're talking and this might be uh coashers say or not, but I was there today and I was like, man, you know, I've followed Fred for you know, a lot of my life and watched what he did. But then recently, you know, I've been following Michelle Moore because I'm more thanks, I'm as interested and more interested and beekeeping and gardening because hunting I've done, like I'm not crested and I'm not the best at it, but I've done. It's like just a craft that I do. And as far as like how to grow, I want to grow in other ways. So I'm like, here's a person that's gardening, so bread, I'm gonna watch Michelle. Watch. I've been watching Michelle like no offense, no, And you know what's cool, she really does enjoy the hack how to teaching people to can how to go how do you know how to do the bees? She prime example, we we she literally she said, go out and get some fresh milk. She goes, uh, milk on the cows for me. So I ran it in the shoot and we're milking it. She goes, because I want to make farmers cheese. And I'm like, what do what like? When I think cheese, I think Kolby or Swiss, you know what I mean. I'm like, she sticks pepperjack, right, sandwich whatever. So she she's like, oh, milky, look at all the geese out there. Sucks kind of cool. All kinds of ducks, buffs, buff buffalo head. Nice. We got some mud ducks or as I call them, you know, I call mud ducks but coots gallennules. But she literally makes cheese out of this fresh cow milk and it was delicious, unreal. Yeah, she's just got all these kills and she learned that from her mother. You know. I'm like, that's really cool. Let's generationally handled down. But how many women today do you think it would be like if you won, if you handed you know, if you said, hey, go out and milk the cow, you know, and handed him, handed him up a jug of fresh warm cow milk. Would they know? Oh jeez, I'm gonna whip out something cheese here. We should Yeah, I mean not just women men stuff. No, No, I could definitely tell you how to like has set your spam filter on your outlook for your email? I could sure a ship. I wouldn't have what doing a cow? There's no wool, but yeah, there's just just reminds me that there's a bunch of Canadian geese, you know, flying off the pong here. We're driving by and Michelle has what do we call corned goose? Corn goose? Michelle made corn goose, and I think I ate a a pound of it. I hate it. I hate, traditionally hate eating Canada geese. You do because you you don't want to shoot it and not eat it. Yeah, I don't hunt them. Never been your favorite. And I don't like eating him because I've never had it that good. If I now that I know when I see him now I see, like, you know, a couple of slices of brined breast flying through the air. I don't even shoot him flying anymore because I want to make sure I get them. Yeah. Yeah, if one swims into the decoys, I'm like there's some bride goose right there. I think I m I got a pretty high percentage when there's done that. You know, I've done that on other animals too. Like we're in Africa and it was a games buck running around, orcs running around. They made these like curry meatballs out of these orcs, and I was like, there goes a herd of meatballs, full on herd of meatballs, and that that is ladies. And now like we're so we're driving to the east side of another You guys have a couple of ranches properties, and so we're now on the east side. We've driven all the way across from the Spanish peaks where you live to your outfitting area where you farm cattle, run cattle. And it's ridiculous the different type of terrain and ecosystems that are here. Like we're fully in sage flat country, sagebrush country, and there's and our brand on those calves is f DO. But we thought it might be cool to just make get another oh, so we could make it food food, so we could brandon with food because we we got three. You right, I'm just gonna get an OH, and I'm gonna stamp one food, you would go viral. You would go viral. Yeah, you know what we could do it? Yeah. See, now there's my wife making sense. I think we have to get a whole another brand with another Oh, she go, you could just use the oh twice, use the Yeah, there's the logic in the back. Nice smart bl I'm glad she said it. Anyway, I just remark it like the ridiculous. We're running in like ponderous of pine country, rolling hills, snow covered peaks, you know, half an hour that way, and here we are in like grass, sage flats, river bottoms, and there's elk here and elk there too. And where do you do post pictures anywhere? Because you could post some picture people are listening to this. You could probably post a picture of you just so you can see the difference in the areas. Yeah, it's it's I will post. Yeah. We would do like an art cool page on each one of these podcasts. You will be able to go to the website and see some of what we're talking about here. But it's just like you were saying, a unique area in the world, Southern Colorado. It's not cold all the time. It's not like northern Colorado where they're snow in the ground all the time. Um, and we're on the edge of three totally different echoses. Yeah, I mean, you're just there's another good one. Myriad I'm trying to use was the last one music? Remember, like I don't contiguous. Maybe I'm sure it wasn't over three syllables. Well you're getting I mean there are three or four in there. This for an hour, um yeah, and then I just it just remarks to me that that this type of country is diverse, and the biodiversity of the animals and the and everything plants that are here shows it's crazy and it's awesome. It's cool. I'd move here if I could. We were talking about that. I'm gonna tell my if my wife is listening, that's a cool it's a cool part of Colorado. I mean, you know, everybody loves, you know what I mean, the states that they live in, and you know, we think Colorado is one of our favorites just because especially down here in southern Colorado, you don't have a lot of the crowds, you a lot of people. You know, there's still really good deals on you know, and property as opposed to the rest of the state. Um, but it's uh, it's unique. It's still you still have that really small town feel for sure. How many people live. What's the closest town to where we are right now? Um, Trinidad, Trinidad, and that's where we live. We're about a little over thirty minutes to the closest gas station. What was that little town we drove with the high school though, Yeah, the little town of Hony. Many people live in Hony. I don't know, No, I think it's a few more, well, probably not a lot. But they've got a they've got a high school. There's not a there's not a seven eleven or a gas station there. No, you know, there was a store. You gotta go to Trinidad. But yeah, great high school. Cool, cool little town. Um. And it's basically a farm ranch community. Ye man. Yeah, it goes back to you noticed that I'm talking to my wife now sitting in the back seat. Now we're dropped by Darryl, or neighbor, and of course Ben picks out boom. He's like, hey, he's gotta he's gotta yetti on that, you know, on his quality for him, and he mounted it on his He mounted a Vietti jug on his quad there. Yeah, he would, he would. That's a legit move. He's really out there and doing it. I could probably get some street cred if you like swung By and I was like, hey, this is yeah, you know, here's a little discount card or something. You probably he would, he would dig that. I'll give Yeah, let's do that. It's done, easy, do that. We'll set him up. I'll put him right in nice um. But yeah, I mean this country is crazy. The difference between this and and there's not a lot of places that we were talking about New Zealand. That's one of the places that is so diverse that you could not I couldn't hardly understand. But this is for for the States. I mean, this is pretty strikingly diverse country, which is why people come to full draw outfitters and hunt about six different species. Oh other gates. I built this h brace this last summer. It's still holding. So that's good. So you're I wanted to One of the thing that struck me is your son, Trent. So I think we should talk about Trent for a while because Trent is awesome, thank you, He's just awesome. One of the things that struck we're talking about the people out here in the way that you're like, I've met a lot of kids that are thirteen and not all of them shake your hand firmly and looking in the eye, And that struck me about Trent, Like, this is a good kid. I appreciate. There's not a little punk on the earth that that would shake your hand looking. Yeah, like Trent, dude. Oh, I'm looking at her struggling with that gay. That's a really tight one. She's got her shoulder tone into. We need to get out there and do it. Yeah, let's go out you got it? Oh yeah, all right, pretty awesome. Ben's going out there to help my wife. I I built this h brace over one of our corners, and I kind of strung it pretty tight, because they always seem to loosen up quite a bit. But this one's still still pretty tight. She's got it with Ben's out open the pickle jar and hand it to somebody, and then they just twisted the rest of the way similar to that. Yeah, and you always you always say that I loosened it up for you. Yeah, that's standard. Happy to loosen that up, happy to do it. So you can see this big ridge up here. We're actually gonna drive on top of that and we'll be able to see over a lot of country here which is just beautiful. That it's just a beautifultry and we've got white tail, mule deer, an loope, elk, bear, and turkey out here. But I think a lot of it because you know, and yeah, some great waters, some cockbirds. You saw some pheasants the other way. You said, blue quail, yes, scale quail, yes, scale here. Yeah. Yeah, So it's kind of unique for the bird hunting because we've we've actually shot ducks, geese, pheasant, and scale quail all within like a two radiation. What I mean, what do you contribute to that? You know much about the history of this land that you know, they're a confluence of a bunch of there's been peasants along this or for a long time. Um. The birds are just not a lot of water here. Um, so the birds are attracted to any water, you know what I mean, on the edge of kind of a couple of flyaways, so they see water, they're gonna drop in there. But there's a lot of agg in this country. You know, there's a lot of these guys um growing corn I mean we grow a foul from mostly that's the main crop that we grow to sell, but uh, and we use it for our cows and our horses as well. But there's just a ton of agg in this area. So it attracts everything. You know, if you've got the food, odds are you're gonna have the animals? Yeah, you have the animals. You have the animals. It's crazy, it's crazy in this country. I mean, I can't again, I won't be able to scrab. It will take some pictures for everybody to see, but it's it's fantastic. Hey, you've definitely we've definitely changed from what we were in this morning to where we're at right now. It's are it? And we've dropped about yeah, and we dropped about two thousand feet in elevation, and what do you say that I live at seven thousand feet? The Spanish peaks that are out in front of you know, in front of my place are thirteen thousand and a little over thirteen thousand, and then out here, I think we're about five thousand, aren't we about out here? So totally different. Well, I figured to close this particular show out. I'm gonna let Michelle, ask you a few questions. I want to give her the headphones, let her close the show out. Oh boy, my wife's canna interview me, interview my husband. I want to know all the things about you that you haven't told me. Oh, honey, you know, you know everything, you know why, you know why. There's a lot of women archaeologists right. Oh, don't even go there swimming love digging up old stuff. It's there and uh, no offense any archaeologists out there. Yeah. Yeah, the views up here are absolutely amazing. That we were actually on the other side the other day when that you can see where the fire was. Um, I think it burned five thousand acres on the neighbor's ranch over there. But um, we absolutely love living out here and UM just feel so blessed be able to do what we do. And um, you know the whole thing, the farming, the ranching. Um, like Fred said, I love gardening. I love getting my hands in the dirt. Much rather be out there than in an office. And uh, just a great place. Um as a mom and a wife to raise our our three boys out here. Um, just with a total connection to the land. So they've got to see it. See it from every perspective, from you know, raising cows, harvesting your own meat, harvesting vegetables and uh and working so uh give him a good work ethic and um, you know, raise some good America And so I pretty excited about that. Hey, thanks for joining us. Yeah, thanks Ben for coming out and hanging out with us. It was awesome. I'm curious in a hunt and said, you know, you can give them your your skinny. So check us out on Fulder Outfitters dot com. You can email us or call us. And we've got a fan page on Red Eichler fan page on Facebook, also Instagram and Twitter. Um, and then check out, of course all of our YouTube clips we've got. We'll be putting up some recipes, some awesome recipes, wild game recipes, and have a bunch of skinning tips and um, a lot of fun hunting clips. So check out the j Glass and see if I was totally full of it or not, see if I started that trend. So you gonna have to check with Ben on glass and Babe, was you all right out? That's it? Yeah, it's over, episode number twelve in the books. Thank you, Fred Eichler, Michelle I Clare the Eichler family for hosting me in Colorado. It was a great time, UM, A weekend cut short, unfortunately by events involving YETTI and the n r A. UM. A lot of folks that are listening to this probably heard about the controversy involving the company I work for, YETI and the National Rights Association. Uh, there's a lot of things said over the last few days about yet He's a company. But I think the bottom line is the people that Yetie, You're good people that YETI believe in hunting, they believe in the Second Amendment, they believe in all the right things, and they support conservation not only in theory but in actuality with dollars and time. And I can tell you from having been there for over three years that this is a company that cares, the company that I believe deserves your business and the consideration of of conservation and all the work that they do. So I won't say much more to you get into the weeds of it. It's not really worth it. Hopefully we can past the controversy with the n r A, and I hope we can get onto bigger and better things, and hopefully by episode number thirteen, we won't remember this little bump in the road that is, this little controversy. So in the meantime, head over and Hunting Collective dot com for all the past podcasts, articles and videos relating to the past podcasts, and everything you want to hear from the Hunting Collective. Will be back next week with another awesome guests were headed to Lanai, Hawaii with Joe Rogan, Cam Haynes, Adam Green Tree Orhevery Orange, Shane Dorian, John Dudley, and more. So hopefully we'll check back in with one of those folks, or all of them, or just me who knows. We'll see how it plays out, but will be in Hawaii. See you next time. Bye bye the wo

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