00:00:00 Speaker 1: I k C and I'm Brian, and you're listening to the Element podcast. What's going on everybody? 00:00:17 Speaker 2: Brian Bostick is here with me, and in a minute, we're gonna have Tyler Jones on the phone, and I'm gonna be completely honest with y'all. We have been doing this for a long time and we haven't had technical difficulties on the podcast in a really long time. However, today we had a technical difficulty. The last time actually Eric is around, but he's not on the podcast. The last time that we had this was on the way to Eric's hometown. His car turned off while we're going down the road or something, and it corrupted the file. We had to restart. It was ridiculous. But uh so that's been a few years. But what I'm saying is we have we had already recorded a portion of what we're gonna talk about today with the large port and then the card corrupted on us. 00:01:05 Speaker 1: So here we are. 00:01:07 Speaker 2: Tyler is going is currently licking a particular wound in North Dakota that he will get repaired, and we're gonna talk to him in a bit. But first, Brian is here after a two week deployment fighting fires. Is that public information which y'all do and stuff like that. You know, So you've been fighting fires in West Texas? Yep, which there, South Texas, West Texas, leak, what do you call South Texas? 00:01:34 Speaker 3: I think we put like twenty five hundred miles on the truck in fourteen days. 00:01:38 Speaker 2: So, you know, you and I were talking while you're out there a little bit, and I guess I misunderstood kind of how this works. It's not like you're stationed and then you just fight fires in a region. You just go wherever they need you that day, yep, and it might be four hundred miles away. 00:01:54 Speaker 1: Yep. 00:01:55 Speaker 3: One day it was we went from Lubbock down to Mason, Texas. Yeah, just just on a phone call. So we did a lot of traveling and we went all over West Texas. We kind of stayed in that general region, but a lot of traveling. 00:02:12 Speaker 1: Every day. 00:02:13 Speaker 3: You might drive three hours out to where this this fire is and then fire all day in your closest hotels three hours away. 00:02:20 Speaker 1: So that's wild. Yeah, we had some long nights. 00:02:24 Speaker 3: Yeah, which is this the thing you end up doing every year? I like to do it as often as possible. 00:02:31 Speaker 1: But because you make good money doing it, right. Yeah, And it's fun. 00:02:33 Speaker 3: Man. It's a lot of guys don't enjoy it because of the workload. I mean it is one of the most labor intensive firefighting you'll do. Yeah, So a lot of guys don't like it. 00:02:42 Speaker 1: But I love it, man. 00:02:44 Speaker 3: That's it's something different, and it's it's a lot of a lot of hard work and a lot of fun. It's kind of rewarding. 00:02:51 Speaker 1: Do you feel as if so. Here's here's what real leading up to. 00:02:54 Speaker 2: Right now, Brian is here, Brian's fixing or not be here because he's going on a really good l count of tag that he drew in New Mexico. We're gonna film that thing. Do you feel like you're in decent enough shape or did. 00:03:10 Speaker 1: This man shape? 00:03:13 Speaker 3: It did help? But even in my best shape of my life, Elk cuttings hard. 00:03:20 Speaker 1: Yeah. So I think after about day three of Elk Cunning, I'm good to go. 00:03:25 Speaker 3: That's kind of how your legs are hurting, your back's hurting. The first couple of days last year, I wasn't in great shape. I've been walking a good amount trying to kind of train for it. 00:03:33 Speaker 2: But I think that you can't go up there and be just super super fat, right and and and do well. But like if you're in okay shape, your body's gonna acclimate within Like you're. 00:03:47 Speaker 1: Saying, can you be super fat and okay shape where everybody can? But I mean, uh, those those things. 00:03:56 Speaker 2: Are a little bit uh counterintuitive when I say super fat actually means super out of shape. 00:04:01 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of a euphemism, right. 00:04:03 Speaker 2: But because like there's guys like, for instance, Jimmy John from Jimmy John's Sandwiches. It's a really large human Jimmy John just and his son both just shot big horn sheep well, and I don't care. I mean they're very wealthy, right, and so they're rich guy hunting. 00:04:19 Speaker 1: But I don't care who you are. 00:04:21 Speaker 2: It's not really hard to do that, no matter how outfitted it is, you know. So, like determination makes a whole big difference in that as well. But if your if your body's not physically able to do something, you'll never be able to do it. But if you're like able to get around pretty good, you'll acclimate pretty quick. 00:04:40 Speaker 3: I have the determination to get this done, do you. I think six years have been putting in for this tag and finally got it. 00:04:48 Speaker 4: There you go. 00:04:48 Speaker 1: I'm somewhat familiar with the area. 00:04:50 Speaker 3: Yeah, I should be able to get into some some bulls off the bat and out of the truck. 00:04:56 Speaker 1: You know. 00:04:57 Speaker 3: I honestly think I can shoot one out of the truck. Well, you'd have to have frown upon, You'd have to have a real small axle accent. I can I can get I can get close enough to some really good areas too. Again, a five to eight mile hiking day is that's like. 00:05:14 Speaker 2: And that's like half of what you end up doing a lot of places, which is nice and it actually makes your hunt more enjoyable. But I think what people don't understand about limited entry is that, yeah, you probably don't want to hunt at the trailhead. But it's different than OTC for sure, Colorado stuff. 00:05:38 Speaker 1: Sure. 00:05:38 Speaker 2: I mean my elk are everywhere. My first six miles to go find. 00:05:42 Speaker 3: Al yep, for sure, that that's going to be the difference. I mean, most of my old count or all of my olkhunts have been over the counter in Colorado, and you're looking at ten fifteen mile days on some of those days and you you may or may not see you them. I did a twenty three one time that was done. Yeah, but I did it. Well, that's what you gotta do. 00:06:02 Speaker 2: You know you're talking about like I mean, that's like a marathon. 00:06:05 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's real stupid. It's it is whenever you get a tag like this and you know that's those days are not gonna happen and you know you can You're not sleeping out of a tent in the back country makes you. 00:06:17 Speaker 2: Tired too, But uh, that's exciting and I'm sure you're gonna get some good footage. We're gonna send a couple of guys. I would go, and I would love to be there. 00:06:27 Speaker 1: Well why won't you go? Well, I have a baby. It's gonna be here like tomorrow the next day. So yeah, that's about that. It's it's at and real quick. 00:06:34 Speaker 2: It is. I think it's really soon because my wife woke up this morning was feeling good. Oh boy, and to me, like when she's been like achy and I don't feel great and we're not there yet, but like I have a feeling that her body is now telling her, all right, you need a Dopamine's game time. 00:06:51 Speaker 1: Yeah, And so she was like I feel good today. I was like, it might be it might. So uh yeah, well that's exciting me. 00:07:00 Speaker 2: I am because I'm super excited the you know, you can't have or with like emotions, like you can have the presence to do things at once. Right, Like I'm saying to not go on this with you because I love l hunting and i want to go on a good hunt where I'm not the hunter at one some point time, be able to call and stuff. But I'm like over the moon about having another kid. So yeah, you know, I'm not tore up about it. I'm excited for you and keep you. 00:07:31 Speaker 1: I would imagine you will. 00:07:32 Speaker 3: To have you there calling, I think would be great, make a big difference. 00:07:39 Speaker 1: That's kind of one. 00:07:40 Speaker 3: Of my my worries on this hunt is my calling ability. Yeah, not that I if you practice, you might you know, and I have practice, but you know, we don't. 00:07:51 Speaker 1: I don't get to do this at all. 00:07:52 Speaker 3: That is the hard part. My last l hunt was five years ago, and I just have I haven't. It's I'm just not confident. 00:07:59 Speaker 2: Well, here's what I've learned in the past few elk hunts is that. 00:08:07 Speaker 1: You can blow a bugle. There's a couple of things, right. 00:08:10 Speaker 2: You can blow a bugle and make an elk sound and they will be like, oh, that's an elk. 00:08:15 Speaker 1: And they'll make an elk sound. 00:08:16 Speaker 4: Yep. 00:08:17 Speaker 2: But if you're not saying the right stuff, you're not going to get the response out of them that you want to. I feel saw a complex language, but there's a few things and a few emotions that you kind of need to convey. 00:08:26 Speaker 1: Now. 00:08:26 Speaker 2: The thing that I think plays into that well is that raking a tree sounds like raking a tree, and it's telling the thing you want, like you can't miss it up. 00:08:37 Speaker 1: Just aggression. 00:08:38 Speaker 2: Yeah, And so like if you don't feel great about your your calling or your bugle, raking a tree will bringing olk to you. 00:08:45 Speaker 1: It's I feel good about money. 00:08:47 Speaker 3: Getting a response from a wolf, But to get within one hundred yards of them and then start a bugle battle with them, I think they're gonna pick their cows out thence. 00:08:56 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that there's, uh, there's probably a pretty good amount of wisdom there to you know, rake and then if it doesn't work, just stalking try to show you. 00:09:06 Speaker 3: I don't think I'm gonna do you know, a majority of maybe later in the hunt, my confidence leve will be a little higher. 00:09:11 Speaker 1: There's a friend of mine named Robbie. Your hello. 00:09:14 Speaker 2: Robbie's been on our podcast before, and Robbie is a New Mexico resident and kills giants. 00:09:22 Speaker 1: I've seen the three eighty plus type. 00:09:23 Speaker 2: Bulls, ye consistently. Robbie, at least in what I've seen, never toots the horn. Yeah, he always is stalking in and he's close to. 00:09:33 Speaker 1: The bulls all the time. 00:09:34 Speaker 2: And so, like, I think, if you're trying to kill giants, it's the way to do it, because one thing about a giant bull is they aren't dumb and they know so humans have fight or flight. 00:09:46 Speaker 1: You you probably know a lot. 00:09:47 Speaker 2: About this being in emergency field, and Elker a lot like that too. 00:09:54 Speaker 1: And one of the things that. 00:09:57 Speaker 2: Good I guess, what would you say self defense type coaches tell you is that flight is always. 00:10:06 Speaker 1: The right answer if you can get away with it. 00:10:08 Speaker 2: You know, like, uh, if you're confronted by a street game, standing there and going down in a blaze of glory gets all it does, get you killed. 00:10:16 Speaker 1: Yeah, you. 00:10:18 Speaker 2: And Elk I think understand that way better than humans do. And so at bulls only gonna come over there and fights. You likely now they all have personalities, but likely, uh, he's only gonna try to fight you if it's his last resort. 00:10:32 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know. 00:10:33 Speaker 2: And by the way, his ladies don't really like a Ruckus, so they're gonna be trying to get out of there. 00:10:38 Speaker 1: Yep. 00:10:38 Speaker 2: So anyways, Uh, it's exciting times, man, and I'm super excited you're gonna have a good time. You also seem to just have the mojo this year. On drawing tags, I've got lucky. I don't know, man, you don't. 00:10:54 Speaker 1: I don't know. You don't like love. Lucky isn't real. It's just some tags for manifested. Then I don't like that either, but. 00:11:03 Speaker 2: I'm gratefully for it. So you're blessed to have some good tags. And I'm just giving you a hard time on that stuff. But I know you left stuff, but uh, Texas just had. 00:11:14 Speaker 1: Some draws come through, and you drew some good tags in Texas. 00:11:18 Speaker 3: Those these were tags I've been putting in since twenty ten, maybe cast in some points, you know, I don't, I don't think they were. 00:11:29 Speaker 1: What do you mean? 00:11:30 Speaker 3: Because there were postcard hunts. One of those are postcards. The other one was so yeah, I don't know, I'll have to look either way. I'm grateful and i'd cash all my points out on either one of those tags. 00:11:42 Speaker 1: Two of them, they're gonna be. 00:11:44 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're probably the only guy in the country that drew two really good Texas tag and a new Mexico good tag. 00:11:51 Speaker 1: So counter your blessings. Uh. 00:11:55 Speaker 2: So, you're going to be doing a lot of good whitetail hunting Texas on Public Plant this year. So guys, you probably know who Brian is because he's been around for quite a while, been in some videos. But you'll probably see a decent amount of stuff from Brian on the channel this year as well, because he's gonna be doing a lot of hunting. He seems to be confident is self filming abilities. I don't know if we're going to make him do that too. 00:12:18 Speaker 1: Much, ma'am. I can get it done. Yeah, just Eric's editing is self film video years right now. That's right, Just hit the record button and let it rip, you know, Yeah, what happens after you shoot him? Just have a freak out. Yeah, I've heard that. 00:12:32 Speaker 2: I've heard I've heard that after you shoot him, maybe the film hope, I hope you haven't had your camera recording. 00:12:39 Speaker 1: I've had some mishaps. It's been a learning experience. 00:12:42 Speaker 2: And that shot though, Man, the way I met you, I was hunting piece of public land and you were there too, and uh, you shot a buck. And so I'm gonna give you a compliment and I'm gonna give you a a disc that you deserve one hundred percent. 00:12:59 Speaker 1: At the same time, Okay, you had to show the patience and. 00:13:03 Speaker 2: You know that Eric knows that we all know that you shot a buck in the heart and somehow we're able to get that out of the tree in time to still jump that deer before he. 00:13:14 Speaker 3: Got that sounds bad cause is like twenty That probably wouldn't twenty, It might have been ten or fifteen minutes after. The only thing I was trying to do is get down and get my error. 00:13:25 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:13:26 Speaker 3: I wanted to see what my blood looked like. Yeah, and this buck is vetted up twenty yards. 00:13:30 Speaker 2: Away because you killed him, almost dead and he was fixing it die probably, but that's you. 00:13:36 Speaker 1: But you smoked him. You pulled off a shot that hardly anybody. That was my first. 00:13:41 Speaker 3: That was my first ever in the saddle yep in a place just so I was just trying to observe and never hang. Yeah, I was just trying to look and look at as much country as I could. And this buck comes right within. 00:13:56 Speaker 2: Forty the tree until we met Brian, uh, because he's like, oh no, I jumped it and then within ten minutes he found it dead and then we helped you get it. But not that you aren't capable but were hanging out or whatever. But anyways, Uh, you're a good shot, and it makes me pretty confident with the tags that you have that. 00:14:20 Speaker 1: There might be some stuff laying get laid down if they if they get within a range up. Hey, for what is range on Elk? I'm confident sixty. That's kind of how I feel. Sixty. I mean I have a fixed animals. 00:14:34 Speaker 2: And if you're if you're been shooting a lot and you're confident and you're set up, sixty is well within the range. I mean you're you're shooting at a five gallon bucket practically sideways, you know, and it may be even bigger than that. Now, this is coming from a guy who last year actually wounded at Elk. You probably if y'all watched the media channel, you might have seen this maybe really sad. It was a very difficult thing to deal with, but searched for him for pretty much a day and a half and come to the conclusion that I probably hit that deer in the leg, or that elk in the leg, and I think you range that hill in front of him, I. 00:15:12 Speaker 1: Arrange the grass in front of him. That's what it was. 00:15:15 Speaker 2: I arranged that at fifty three and he's probably more like a fifty eight or something like that, but it was. It's one of those things, and that's elk hunting, and I'm constantly learning. 00:15:24 Speaker 1: I still would take that shot and just hope that. 00:15:28 Speaker 2: I don't range the grass in front of him, you know, But that's the that was later in the hunt, and I was talking about this with a friend today. 00:15:39 Speaker 1: The more fatigued you are. 00:15:40 Speaker 2: The worse your decision making abilities are. And in that moment, that was the split second decision I had to make to range and shoot, and you know, ideally I would have a little more time to make sure of my range. 00:15:59 Speaker 1: But that's elkuton sometimes. You know. 00:16:01 Speaker 2: One of the neat things about elkutting, though, is that from you know, our friends at the bow shop down and Canton, Brian different Brian this we call him Big Brian. 00:16:11 Speaker 1: Big Brian was has told me about this thing. But if you run. 00:16:16 Speaker 2: A four pen or five pen sides, so twenty thirty forty fifty, that'd be maybe five right or four excuse me? If you run four pins, you can put your twenty at the top of their lungs and your fifty will still be killing them. So like that's I mean, that's kind of just the equation of how big they are, right it is, And that's you know, I know a lot of guys like a heavier arrow, and one of the pros to shooting a lighter arrow, I feel is that your your four pens that you're talking about will set in an animal's cavity. 00:16:54 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know last year some of those heavier arrows that boy shot him. 00:17:00 Speaker 2: I think those arrows are five thirty five with one five on the front. 00:17:04 Speaker 1: And if I was shooting. 00:17:05 Speaker 2: A four seventy, there's a good chance that I hit that deer harman that elk in the heart. Yep, you know, I mean that's uh do you talking about sixty five grains of difference? That's a lot, it is, you know, and that makes a difference. And I know I know some mule deer killers, and those guys all hunt around four to seventy four eighty. 00:17:24 Speaker 1: It's what they shoot. Yeah, and I think that's what you're bringing. 00:17:26 Speaker 3: Right, don't give me a line to you. I feel like I'm in the upper four hundreds, but I don't know exact weight. 00:17:33 Speaker 1: That's all right, you don't have it. I went to the six blade broadhead. What are you shooting, slick trick. 00:17:38 Speaker 3: No, I'm gonna shoot the black hornts. Oh yeah, the razors. You shoot those? Well, that's what you kill them deer with it we're talking about will go yep, yeah, they're darts. I My preference is just a huge mechanical, and I know shooting an elk at fifty sixty yards that's probably not my probably not the best the best interest. Not that I wouldn't have confidence in it. I just know. 00:18:03 Speaker 1: That a fixed blade is probably better in those longer range situations. So yep, yeah, I believe it. And then I'm hopefully shoot some wattails with them. 00:18:12 Speaker 2: Oh with with the fixed blades hunt ye man range ferry, I know I'm gonna have. 00:18:18 Speaker 3: I like to keep two mechanicals and some fixed blades in my How do you. 00:18:23 Speaker 2: Determine which one you're gonna grab first? Like, which which one you hang on your. 00:18:26 Speaker 3: Depends on what I'm hanging in. If I'm in some really finy, brushy, thick stuff, you know, I'm probably not gonna shoot that mechanical. But if I have some if I have some pretty clear shots of my trails and stuff, then I'm shooting the mechanical over a fixed blade all day. 00:18:42 Speaker 1: Yeah, I like it. Yeah. 00:18:45 Speaker 2: If it's later in a hunt, say it's been six, seven, eight days, I'll I'll lean towards the mechanical more too, because you are potentially out of practice and there's a chance that your bow has gotten knocked around. 00:18:58 Speaker 1: Y'all, beat y'all, y'all's bows up. I don't know. 00:19:02 Speaker 3: Yeah, man, the hunting that you guys do, it's, you know, something you have to think about. 00:19:07 Speaker 2: Uh So, the bows that I've shot the past few years, I've been very satisfied with how durable they are. But you know what's not durable on almost every bow the string A side light. Yeah, them things are real tender. 00:19:22 Speaker 1: You know. I don't think I can have a sightlight on my bow. In New Mexico, I don't think. I don't know if you can or not. I gotta look at it. 00:19:29 Speaker 2: I didn't have one, but I've just broken that thing off a few times in different places because they just kind of just barely sat on there, kind of. 00:19:39 Speaker 3: A couple of threads in the casing. Yeah, what about string stretch? 00:19:44 Speaker 1: Are you all? Are you guys battling that all year? No? Not too much. 00:19:48 Speaker 3: You know the last video, the pig video that we just put out. I missed that pig at fifty low, and then I went back and shot my bow at fifty and I'm probably six inches low my fifty yard pin, And I wonder if that's string stretch from sitting How old is it? 00:20:06 Speaker 2: Though? 00:20:07 Speaker 1: Two years old? I shouldn't. 00:20:08 Speaker 3: I wouldn't think it'd be string stretch. I'm gonna have to get a new sight tape. It's the same errol as I show it last year. Really, Yeah, but it's it's it's low, it's left and right. 00:20:19 Speaker 1: It's good. Just I don't know my pins after thirty or low. 00:20:23 Speaker 2: Interesting And it could be something else too, something else could have got off. 00:20:26 Speaker 1: I don't know. But is that the bow you fixed and shoot the elk? It is you better get that worked on. I just need a new sight tape. 00:20:34 Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll see there and let's start messing with it, you know. And I missed that pig low and I knew I was on that pig. I don't want to be conky or arrogant, but I was, like, man, I was on that conky cocky. 00:20:51 Speaker 1: I thought you mean conky. 00:20:51 Speaker 2: It might have come out conks that they eaten make ooh gross. 00:20:56 Speaker 1: You don't like honks, man, I don't like. I guess anything you like. You don't know. 00:21:04 Speaker 2: You don't like seafood. 00:21:06 Speaker 1: I do I love seafood. Will you eat shrimp? Yeah? Will you eat crap oysters? 00:21:11 Speaker 3: Up? 00:21:11 Speaker 1: You eat raw oysters, but you don't eat conk conk with just I don't know. 00:21:15 Speaker 3: I've never tried it, but after seeing it was better than the raw oyster picking them up and stuff just man, and watching them clean them. 00:21:25 Speaker 2: It makes me said when they clean them, because they just be busting them huge shells, you know, I know, like man, it makes your said a. Congrats on all the good hunts you're gonna go on, Tyler and I drew a few hunts as well. People will find out about those along the way. But Tyler right now is getting his tire changed, and as soon as he has done with that, we're gonna get him on the phone to tell us about his experiences from Afar. 00:21:52 Speaker 1: See what this guy's up to. 00:21:53 Speaker 2: It sounds if the boys are having a hard time they might need a little pick me up. Title man is on the phone from a remote location. He is a Western explorer traveler. Uh, and he's got his crew of merry men with him, got the young meat with him, as we like to say, Michael, Michael getting caught up. 00:22:41 Speaker 4: Yeah, he's got the he's got the mosquito Bola's face going on. Man. 00:22:49 Speaker 1: You know, one of my first trips to Michael, I got to see that and it was you. 00:22:54 Speaker 2: Know, it probably actually changed the trajectory of our relationship. 00:22:58 Speaker 1: Yeah, uh huh, because I could just see it. He's just not made tough. You know. It's an Ohio thing, I think. 00:23:06 Speaker 5: Yeah, sensitive skin for sure. 00:23:09 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:23:09 Speaker 1: Yeah, he'd be putting on that cocoa butter and stuff every night. 00:23:14 Speaker 4: Yeah I don't know about that. 00:23:20 Speaker 2: Okay, So y'all been getting after it on Anura State trip early season. 00:23:26 Speaker 1: Tell me your thoughts about early season deer hunting Dollar. 00:23:30 Speaker 4: Oh, I think I'm not going to do it again next year? 00:23:34 Speaker 1: What about the year after that? 00:23:36 Speaker 4: I don't know. 00:23:37 Speaker 1: Did he say this last year? 00:23:40 Speaker 2: He has said this a few times, and then last year we didn't because we were trying to do some elk cutting and I did end up elk hunting. So this year is the first time in a while. So one of the things that you'll notice, Brian is that I bring a level of optimism to things. Tyler brings a level of realism. I wouldn't call him a pessimist, but he's very realistic. And right now what he's struggling with his reality and lacking my like optimism that is sometimes misplaced. 00:24:16 Speaker 1: So reality is hit. 00:24:18 Speaker 4: It sounds like, hey, yeah, man, I'm I don't know, dude. I just I think that early season can be such a particular thing. Like if you've got the property or like I mean in North Dakota, like you can bait, right, if you can bait, put a corn pile out or a corn feeder or whatever however they do it up there. Then and you can have a good velvet buck coming in and you can shoot one early and get that you know, you got a patterned and and everything. I mean, you can make stuff like that happen. It's not the only complicated piece is figuring out where that property is or getting mission to hunt that property or whatever. Right. 00:25:02 Speaker 5: So I don't know, it's just the last I mean, I don't know. 00:25:09 Speaker 4: The early early stuff like early September is just very particular. 00:25:14 Speaker 5: It's and it's a struggle man. 00:25:16 Speaker 4: It's it's oftentimes pretty warm, there's mosquitos, you know, everywhere. 00:25:22 Speaker 5: And it's been expensive for us. Man. 00:25:27 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean we've we can't hunt. We can't hunt early season close to home, so we have to travel. So there's gas involved, there's food and hotel and all that involved, you know, or whatever, Airbnbs sometimes, and we you know, we bought, uh we bought some things for this trip because I had we had a pretty particular plan of going in via river and to a spot or whatever that thought was gonna be really good, and so we brought some gear for that. We you know, we had a blowout essentially, long story short. I had to pay a guy on Labor Day to you know, this woman's husband that I it was at the store. I talked to her. You said, her husband was a mechanic and had some tools, and so they brought some stuff up and he didn't want me to pay him, but I just felt bad asking him to come up on Labor Day and you know, come into town and help me and all this and that so paid him. That We've been traveling a ton because it's a new new area, new state, and we don't know anything about it. So I'm trying to figure out which properties are gonna be able to hold deer so gas. 00:26:50 Speaker 5: Again, as we're up here, we had we've had. 00:26:55 Speaker 4: Several thousand dollars worth of camera gear break on this trip. 00:27:00 Speaker 1: M M. 00:27:02 Speaker 4: Yeah, so we've lost and we've lost tethered predator. 00:27:06 Speaker 5: Platform in the river. 00:27:08 Speaker 4: So there's a lot of things that have cost us money on this trip, not to mention just being way far away from home and having to travel, you know, either one really hard day of travel or two days to get home. It's just, man, it's a lot, you know, and I don't know if it's I don't know if it's worth it. 00:27:29 Speaker 1: Man. 00:27:30 Speaker 4: Sometimes I think I'd just rather, you know, hope to draw in elk tag next year and go in mid September somewhere. 00:27:36 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, elk hunting is ideal. 00:27:39 Speaker 2: I feel like in September and Brian's going to get to experience that. But you didn't draw in elk tag this year, man, And so this is you're trying to make the most of what you can do as an outdoors room, which is cool. I know it's tough. And here's something I want to talk about because we've been talking about this hunt for quite a while because we knew it was on the horizon, and and I'm glad to finally say in truth that deer season is here, right, Yeah, for a lot of country it is. And that's there's like this weird thing that goes along with the early season stuff where there's this huge level of excitement anticipation and then you're kind of hit with reality of like, oh this is still hard. 00:28:19 Speaker 1: So early season it's not good. I had not enjoyed it so well. 00:28:26 Speaker 4: When you wear leafy suit and underwear, you probably get real bit up. 00:28:31 Speaker 2: You know. 00:28:31 Speaker 1: Twenty one Tennessee. Is that where we were? Yeah? 00:28:36 Speaker 3: That was that was Tick City. It's one hundred degrees. How's your weather up there? 00:28:45 Speaker 4: My weather? 00:28:46 Speaker 5: Yeah, my weather is. 00:28:50 Speaker 4: Just you know, it's okay, Like we've had some north, some souths We've seen some pretty windy days and some really calm days, and it's in anywhere from probably eighty seven to seventy eight is a high and forty five to fifty five is low. 00:29:07 Speaker 3: I think that's about the only positive things you had to say. 00:29:10 Speaker 1: So it is nice weather. That is nice weather, you know. 00:29:13 Speaker 4: Well, you know, and I could do with like, you know, thirty dollars fishing license, I could go to Colorado and get some really nice weather's time of year too. 00:29:21 Speaker 2: So yeah, well that's just be another thirty dollars onto what you've already spent, you know. 00:29:25 Speaker 4: So any dinner head that way. 00:29:29 Speaker 5: I've been debating coming home. 00:29:31 Speaker 2: So so let's talk about the plan. You and I had been sitting around making a plan for quite a while, and it's a thing that we as the element feel like we're pretty good at, and then things like this happen, you're like, Okay, well maybe you're not as good as we thought, right, So I want to talk about the anticipation, the plan, the like perfect spot that you had found on the map that you and I talked about a whole lot, and how how that went and then why it ended up not being perfect. So was that spot as good as we thought it was, or the bucks around is it? Is it a problem with with la like a deer, lack of opportunity, or just smelly cameraman? 00:30:16 Speaker 1: What's going on? 00:30:18 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I'll just kind of tell you the story and I'll try to keep it fairly succinct in short, because you know, I don't want to bore anybody. But you know, the story of this, the hunt or the play the spot is actually the main part of it is access. It's really hard to access. So we had done some map scout and ended up finding this this property that just. 00:30:50 Speaker 5: Awesome. 00:30:51 Speaker 4: It's a essentially it's an ox bow that's almost completely woods, but there's a little bit of like old pasture in the back or whatever on public and then agfield that backs up to it. That's real remote, and the only way to get in is to do like probably close to a mile of river miles and and then you know, scale a big cliff on a river bend and get in, you know, get into a tree on the edge of the river. Needed a south wind and had it north early on, and then as it typically does when it switches around the next day, it was a you know east southeast or an east and it's super light and variable, and I was like, there's just wait till we can get in there real quiet. I don't know how close they're gonna be bedded or whatever, because it's remote. 00:31:41 Speaker 5: They may be, but it betty real close. 00:31:43 Speaker 4: So we're gonna we're gonna make sure we got some wind noise to help cover up some of our you know stuff. So anyway, that next morning we go in and we actually take. 00:31:54 Speaker 5: You had a three piece kayak. 00:31:58 Speaker 2: At some point, like it was past tense, so you. 00:32:04 Speaker 4: Let us borrow this kayak, this three piece kayak, three piece kayake. It fits two dudes and I think actually fits two children more than dudes. 00:32:14 Speaker 5: And we we were going to take that up here. 00:32:18 Speaker 4: And then we also bought a explorer two hundred inflatable like thirty dollars raft with a pump, and. 00:32:27 Speaker 5: So we this is complete, ordered this off. 00:32:30 Speaker 4: Amazon also ordered a a grapple, like a grappling hook like you would see on like some sort of a secret agent thing, you know, and a rope. And because I thought on this river bank that it is there's a chance we have to throw a grappling hook and like use it to help us climb up this wall to get to our spot. So we had all this stuff right, and we're prepared. We slashed the car. We take the kayak in in the morning, three of us. There's there's a cuppy who has not been formally introduced, I don't think, and then Michael and I we each take a piece down to like probably four or five hundred yards down to the river. And we get down there, and I was kind of worried that we weren't gonna abible to even launch because of how steep the river was. And we thought at first we might be able to cross it with like hip waders, and we talked to somebody who had been out here before. They said, no, it's not the case. Well, we get down there and the river is like three times the size what I thought it was going to be, even searching on you know, pictures on Google and stuff, and so it's it's a big, sizeable river. And I'm just like, man, this is this is not good. But we've gotten stuff to float it, so, you know whatever. So put the kayake together and we stash it. Squitos are eating us alive. We roll out of there real quick and the kayak's ready to go for the afternoon. We go back to the hotel, eat some lunch, do our thing, and then we get back out there in the early afternoon or mid afternoon. It's getting late. It's getting dark so late out here, and we go down there. I've got this, you know, I've got a paddle, Michael's got a paddle. We've got a boat and stands and sticks and camera gear and a grappling hook and all this stuff, right, and we get down in there. We get the canoe launched in this little side canal. It's real, real nice man, and we get the canoe in there. Michael gets in. I kind of get us pushed in a little bit deeper water, maybe a foot deep. And I get in and it's like and where I'm sitting it is low in the water, and I'm just like this is not good, you know. I kind of just barely shift my weight and just the entire kayak fills up with water, I mean, just loaded down. So I was like, dude, the singing and work we get out, it's so muddy, like sticky mud, and we're like struggling to you know, even and like once you get out of the boat. Your whatever foot you put out is so stuck in the mud that like it's almost impossible to even get your other foot out of the. 00:35:09 Speaker 2: Boat man, And that causes a lot of problems. I mean, I guarantee you there's one thing to just deal with water, But when you're dealing with like bad silt, it's, yeah, you just can't do anything with it. 00:35:21 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's terrible. It's the thing that we deal with too. 00:35:24 Speaker 2: Like the greater concept is like you can look something at something on the map all you want to, but there's these little things that you cannot understand until you experience them. 00:35:33 Speaker 1: And that's one of them. You know. It's like, oh, this is the world's worst mud to deal. 00:35:38 Speaker 5: With, yep. 00:35:40 Speaker 4: I mean, and there there are there things like that, and we're so we we're I'm like kind of defeated. I'm already sweating. Skeeters are smoking us, and we're in the river bad and I'm like, I throw my pack down, I get the the air or the the blow up boat out and it's got a little pump with it. I start pumping. Takes forever to fill up, I mean forever. I'm sweating my tail off all the time, and so with and I finally get it pumped up, and it's it's funny because this thing is like like Michael can't fit his like he can't sit down and stretch his legs out completely. That's how short the interior of this this blow up float is. And so what we're gonna do is I'm gonna we're gonna put his bag my bag, and me and the kayak, and I'm gonna tie a ten foot rope that I normally hang my bag on a tree with on public land to his raft and then clip it with the d clip to my saddle. This yeah, I'm telling you, dude, when the reason I took clip it to my saddle is because little did I know, prior to getting your kayak out of my truck, there's like no places to tie on anything to that kayak. 00:36:58 Speaker 1: Oh it doesn't have this little black loop things. 00:37:01 Speaker 4: No, it's got It's got nothing. I mean, the only thing it has is the elastic strings that you know, you that go over the compartments or whatever. But there's no there's no like, here's here's a place to tie your. 00:37:14 Speaker 5: String on to the front so you can pull the kayak or nothing. 00:37:17 Speaker 4: I mean, which made it the whole thing a little bit more difficult, you know. And anyway, so I have it tied on to me, which isn't the safest thing, right, But anyway, we finally we get launched, you know, and Michael's just floating kind of freely back there. He doesn't know anything about paddling, dude. 00:37:38 Speaker 1: He is not the most boat since guy. No. 00:37:44 Speaker 4: Yeah, well he's floating in the back. I'm like, I keep asking him, are you're still floating? He's still good, you know, and he's like yeah, and he's just right behind me. But anyway, we're trying to go. We're floating around all these sticks and these little stick ups and the log gems and stuff, and you know, trying to make sure that our inflatable boy doesn't pop on one of the. 00:38:04 Speaker 1: Good thing. 00:38:05 Speaker 4: Yeah, so we end up as I'm paddling, you know, and I paddle and then the rope comes tight then it jerks me back the other way. So it's like really weird to paddle, but I get We work our way down this river. We come around the tip of this peninsula that we're gonna be hunting, which is big, and we bust two deer, which I thought was a good sign. I wasn't really disappointed about because it's such a big peninsula and anyway, I was like, there's there's deer here. We're this is good. So we work our way back down the other side and we get into the bend where the last little bit of public is on this peninsula, and I see that it's a huge cliff, I mean like fifty foot up and but there is like a slope on one side and it's just just flat enough that we could barely get up at without having to us the grappling hook, which was probably the most ideal. 00:39:02 Speaker 5: So anyway, we put our stuff up on the on the bank. We made it. 00:39:07 Speaker 4: We go up there and we set up in this We set up in an ash tree that was pretty small, and there's some oaks up there and stuff, and it's just not they were they're just so bushy you can't see out of them. So to get shots kind of across this opening and you know, close to the ag, I needed to be in this ash tree. 00:39:26 Speaker 5: Well, it's little. There's two of us. 00:39:28 Speaker 4: And there's a trail at like two yards and a trail at like seven and then there's one at like thirty and then probably several more out there. 00:39:36 Speaker 5: Well, the one at. 00:39:37 Speaker 4: Seven is the one that I liked the most, and it's on the side that I thought on this wind that the deer would be using it, and it seemed to be that way because we finally get set up and relax, and the wind's blown pretty good, so the skills aren't too bad at first, and then gets a little bit later and these deer like start coming out early, like earlier than we've been seeing them come out in fields and stuff. The first first dose we see are at like probably fifty yards and I see them coming, I tell Michael, and it's three deer. They come under this oak branch like twenty yards and then work down this trail at like seven. Well, as they get close like ten yards, the old dough sees us and she starts kind of acting weird and sees these big silhouettes in this little tree, and finally, you know, after after kind of working her way along for a couple of minutes, she finally breaks through. Mosquitoes are wearing her out, so she just takes off running and goes past us at seven yards and the other two follow. We're like, man that's huge, you know. 00:40:45 Speaker 5: We got through. 00:40:46 Speaker 4: So all of a sudden they go out in the sag field and we can't see them anymore. There's trees in a way, and they're out there probably I would guess at least eighty or one hundred yards. And I'll look up and about sixty maybe fifty yards from us, there's deer standing up in the old field in front of us, this little section of old field, like they were bedded out there, I'm guessing, and there's like two or three more. 00:41:13 Speaker 1: Got hung pretty quiet at least, that's good. 00:41:15 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And so they they they kind of go back to the woods though, for whatever reason, and then it wasn't Just a few minutes later, I look down the trail, I see a dough flash back in there, and she works her way down to this down the steep section down to the river, and I guess goes and gets a drink. 00:41:36 Speaker 5: Well, when she comes back. 00:41:37 Speaker 4: Up, there's another one with her and there and there ends up being like, all of a sudden, there's like four of them and they're coming down the trail at us, and I'm like, all right, if we can get past these, it's starting to get you know, primetime. Next things up or bucks, you know, hopefully she comes under this log or she's about to go under this limb oak limb, and a deer out in the field blows. I look over there, and there's a deer like one hundred yards or more out out there, like running away out in the I mean, we weren't moving or nothing, because there's deer at twenty yards coming, you know what I mean. And our wind is not remotely it's our wind is going right back in the river. I mean literally almost probably one hundred and fifty degrees from this year solid wind. So I don't know what happened. I feel like there was some kyot or a mountain lion or something. I don't know what was going on, but she like los her mind goes out of the field. 00:42:34 Speaker 5: The other one's finally calmed down. 00:42:36 Speaker 4: Well when they come through, I guess whatever they were that deal was spooking from they smelled it or something, because the first one hit a wall and then she like dips back under and starts blowing and stomping, and essentially for the next twenty five minutes, those deer within probably thirty to forty yards of us, all four of them standing and stomping. 00:42:57 Speaker 5: At the same time, the wind starts to die, and the. 00:43:00 Speaker 4: Mosquitoes are absolutely raging us. I mean, the as bad as I've had it, as bad as Nebraska in twenty nineteen. And Michael's getting eaten alive. I mean, and he's got these black mechanics gloves on. And you know he didn't take my advice on the little swizzle stick, you know that you hit him off with. And I think that's one reason those does standing around, because they would catch it, catch a black glove moving every once in a while trying to swat a mosquito. But you should see, like his face got like so swollen up with mosquito bites, Like he looks like a different person. But his his hamstrings and his thighs are ridiculous, dude. Like he's just getting hammered through his pants. 00:43:49 Speaker 1: Oh that's not good. 00:43:51 Speaker 4: I was wearing thicker pants and he was just getting hammered, dude. So anyway, those dose finally go work back into the woods and calm down or whatever. And then we saw a few minutes later, we saw one dough which I don't know if as part of that group or not, but it seemed like she was by herself on the edge of the old field kind of worked back into the woods, and nothing else that ever ended up coming coming out. And I think that just everything got weirded out by the deer blowing back in there. 00:44:22 Speaker 1: Strange and yeah, I know, I. 00:44:24 Speaker 4: Mean I've never gone into a spot feeling this confident about like being able to pull it off and shoot a buck because it's so remote, there's nobody back in there. It was a really good food source and hard to get to. No, I mean, nobody's hunting it. And I just felt like that with as much cover was there and as much food, there's fixing. 00:44:49 Speaker 5: To be a buck come out. 00:44:50 Speaker 4: But it just got like and there was a procession of dose, so I just knew that. 00:44:54 Speaker 5: Was fixing to happen. 00:44:54 Speaker 4: But once they started blowing and they blew for I mean, she she blew for fifteen minutes, not necessarily consistently, but she blew for fifteen minutes, and then the last fifteen calmed down and finally went off pretty much. But like, I don't know, I think that it messed the whole thing up. So, you know, that spot, this spot was so hard to get into. I was I was pretty much telling Michael man, I just don't think we're going to come back in here. 00:45:20 Speaker 5: I mean, it was such a beat down. 00:45:22 Speaker 4: And then we still had to We still had like over a mile of river miles to get out in the dark, right, So we get down there after shooting lny ends. We get down quick and head down the river. We get loaded into the river and there's still a little bit of light. You know, you can still kind of see some stuff up ahead of you and everything. It's not pitch black. And we get in the river and we get going and probably went a quarter mile and it started getting kind of dark and shine up ahead and I'm like, oh, this ain't good and it's a full river log gym m yeah, And so we kind of went over to the side or whatever. Well, it's pretty steep right in there, so there's not a whole lot of landing space. So uh. 00:46:14 Speaker 5: And also to get fully to this little. 00:46:18 Speaker 4: Side to land, Michael, I had to had to cross a log in the kayak. That took five minutes for me to work my kayak across. It was like just barely under the water. And so, you know, finally get across, then we have to get Michael across, and now the whole time, I'm trying to also manage Michael. Like I'm having to hold his boat so that he doesn't sweep down ahead of me and like end up in some like more pointy looking logs and stuff, and so like I'm trying to hold him work my kayak across, which is big and heavy and has a bunch of stuff in it, and anyway, I finally get it then to get Michael over. Then we put him on the shore and I and he carries his and we like stack our stuff up. I get on this log, this main big log, and like saddle it or straddle it and go all the way out to where it goes into the water, and then I ride I like pushed my kayak over the top of where it kind of goes into the water, and then I have to hold it keep it from going downstream. 00:47:24 Speaker 1: All the while. 00:47:25 Speaker 4: Remember it doesn't have a string attached to it because there's nowhere to tie anything, so I'm like having to hold it, you know, physically, on the edge of it. And also when I crossed that log, the first log I crossed, Michael's uh teathered platform apparently wasn't secured very well on his pack, and it flew off into the river. 00:47:49 Speaker 1: And quit. 00:47:50 Speaker 4: I find that out till later, but I did hear it and didn't know what it was. 00:47:55 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, nice to hear. And then I don't know what that was, but I. 00:48:00 Speaker 4: Was just like, man, I hope it's not like a camera that Michael put back there or something, you know. But anyway, we h So I get I get that pulled across, and then we get Michael's raft put over the log or whatever and got I get him to kind of launch, but there's not enough room for both of us, so I have to launch off of the log over probably. 00:48:21 Speaker 5: Like four to six foot of water. 00:48:24 Speaker 4: Onto the kayak, like align it parallel with the log and get in and just hope that I don't flip. I mean, just not not safe, not smart, you know. At this point, I'm like, this was done, Michael. I'm sorry I got us into this, you know. And it's pitch black now because we've been spending twenty minutes here easy and we get loaded all back in or whatever, and for the most part, we're pretty smooth sailing all the way down to the bridge where Kuppy's gonna pick us up at the public there at the you know, public bridge takeout or whatever. So there is one moment where there was quite a few limbs across the river and I'm like navigating us. I'm like, we're gonna go like left center, right here we go, and all of a sudden, there's like one log right under the water that we just bare like couldn't really see. And I like, I'm like, we. 00:49:19 Speaker 5: Got one right here, we got right. 00:49:21 Speaker 4: I tried to like paddle us around it, and both of us hit it. I mean, it was like riding my face, you know. And I just thought for sure Michael was gonna get hung on it and it was gonna just either flip him or deflate his pack or deflate his boat. You know. So I was just I was real scared in that moment. Apparently he felt it. It hit his rear bit and it didn't pop the boat somehow. I kept asking him for like five minutes, you're still floating. 00:49:48 Speaker 1: And uh, anyway, just a champ. 00:49:52 Speaker 5: I guarantee you dude. 00:49:53 Speaker 4: Michael was hyping it. Man. Yeah, anyway, we get down, we get down the bridge, and uh, we start to break everything down and get the kayak put into we're soaked. I mean, we're like my pants will stand up with mud dry mud right now. I mean it is weird, just completely my my bo I've been like I've gone over the top of my knee highs probably a half a dozen times already. So I mean I was hunting in my my when I would like shift my weight, you could hear like suction from my from water in my boots while I was hunting. So anyway, we get down there, We're soaked. Everything's nasty. Michael's you know, Michael's crotch on his pants are not the split wide open. I mean they're they're got a little hole in them, you know. And we break all this down. We get the three pieces of the kayak, uh broken down, and we moved start moving gear up to the bridge. 00:50:50 Speaker 5: And the cupy's gonna be there in a minute. 00:50:52 Speaker 4: And uh, we we have a paddle and the third piece of the kayak that's still down there, and that's it all we got to put back to take up, you know, at the top of the bridge. So we go down there in the river. I'm behind Michael a little waist and as I'm coming down, he's already picked up the piece of the kayak and he's coming up and I'm gonna go get the paddle. Well, he just, like all of a sudden, just buckles and purposefully, I think, throws the kayak into the water in the dark. I mean like not just on the shore, but out into the river. Like it flies out there, dude, and then just falls into the grass, just eats it. And I don't remember what all of a said or what happens, but he is not happy, and I just get my phone out and like, there's nothing we can do. It's gone, Like that thing will end up in the Gulf of Mexico one day. And so yeah, the I just got a video of Michael being really mad and the kayak, one piece of your three piece kayak floating down the river. 00:52:03 Speaker 1: Yeah, could you at least have something left round? 00:52:07 Speaker 4: Yeah? 00:52:08 Speaker 5: That was an end. Yeah. 00:52:10 Speaker 4: I tried to be you know, be nice and courteous and get the big pieces, the heavy piece. So yep, and he just chunked it, dude, I mean spitefully. 00:52:21 Speaker 1: That's him, dude. It's like when he sunk that at in Florida. He's just mad, just full of spot anger. 00:52:31 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's it, man, he just spiked the. 00:52:34 Speaker 1: Spi spoteful spike. 00:52:39 Speaker 4: So anyway, Yeah, we just shoved everything in the back of the truck and barely got the back glass closed because the inflata was still halfway inflating. 00:52:51 Speaker 5: But we couldn't figure out to get a good thing. 00:52:52 Speaker 1: You didn't have a piece of kayaker close it. 00:52:55 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm telling you, dude, I'm telling you. 00:52:57 Speaker 2: So. 00:52:58 Speaker 4: Yeah, I was, uh at that point, I was so tired, like that was legitimately like more hungry the next day than I have been on the whole trip because of I think because of how tired I was. Yeah, it was a be down dude. So now we can't use water access anymore. 00:53:15 Speaker 1: You gotta exports you Yeah, whatever, Michael said. 00:53:19 Speaker 4: Yeah, the thing is one person. Michael's several inches shorter than me, and he doesn't fit in it. So we were in trouble if we both try to get in that. 00:53:30 Speaker 2: Maybe you could just hook it onto the back the front two pieces of the kayak and have a hybrid there. 00:53:35 Speaker 5: You go. That's a pretty good idea and be like a hoverboard or something. 00:53:38 Speaker 1: Yeah, just like that. So at this point. 00:54:07 Speaker 2: You've hunt, You've had quite the experience and have still seen zero bucks. 00:54:13 Speaker 4: Yeah, tree, Well, yeah, from a tree, yeah, we well we've seen. Actually, as I was climbing up yesterday, I did see a buck climbing up. So climbing up, uh into the tree. Yesterday afternoon it was real windy, and we were setting up in a tree fifteen yards from a yearling and one point five like weird had a one antler like spike with a big like either a weird brow tying or a double main being thing. 00:54:45 Speaker 1: Gotcha. 00:54:45 Speaker 2: So not not climbing up on the river bank. 00:54:50 Speaker 5: Uh No. 00:54:51 Speaker 2: So another day is pasted and you're hunting again and you see a couple of tinies. 00:54:57 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, which I saw. I saw them. I think some I think a duck on the on the lake behind them wigged them out, pushed them out, and then they just stood there and licked each other for like five minutes. 00:55:12 Speaker 2: This wanted survived because they get scared of ducks and stuff, you know, like, yeah, they don't survive because they're tough. 00:55:18 Speaker 1: They survived because they're just scared of everything. 00:55:21 Speaker 5: Yep, it's weird, ye. And then they just. 00:55:23 Speaker 4: Calmed down and walked off. And then we get up in the tree and as soon as we get up there, Michael sees a deer out in this bean field that we're essentially hunting. 00:55:31 Speaker 5: We're not hunting the beanfield, but we're hunting deer moving to it. 00:55:34 Speaker 4: Deer is out in the beans, just eating and moving around, and I thought we're fixing a kill, for sure, there's deer around everywhere. I'm like, it's fixing it be awesome. And we didn't see another deer the whole afternoon. I could not believe it. 00:55:47 Speaker 1: Man. 00:55:48 Speaker 2: Yeah, you tossed to me, uh, and you said we're about to kill, which was exciting for me. However, I did think that that meant you were seeing a buck that you were going to shoot soon. 00:56:00 Speaker 1: Oh no, yeah, so you just like to lock the place a whole lot. 00:56:03 Speaker 4: I loved it, I thought, I mean I loved the place. I thought when I saw those deer early on, I was like, oh, if the yearling and the little buck are here, then further back in there is some dose and some bigger bucks, and you know it's just a matter of you know, them coming out sometime in the next few hours. 00:56:27 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:56:28 Speaker 2: So a couple questions before we get to that, you know, since the plan was like the thing you were going up there to hunt that. 00:56:35 Speaker 1: Spot kill it hear there. 00:56:38 Speaker 2: Do you wish that you would have figured out a way to hunt it on a north wind and hunt it the first day? 00:56:44 Speaker 5: Uh? 00:56:45 Speaker 4: No, No, it's uh. It was bigger than I thought it would be. And I think on a north two things. I think on a north you might have deer that are moving. The potential there's I think, but that the north side is the better side of it. I think that the trail is just better there. And every year that I pretty much every year that I saw except for the ones that were bedded out in the in the grade, the native grass all came down that trail. 00:57:18 Speaker 3: So you can see all the way across that field from the south all the way to the north side. 00:57:21 Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, it's probably seven or eighty yards across, I would imagine, and then there's a little. 00:57:28 Speaker 5: Bit of woods on the other side of it as well. 00:57:31 Speaker 1: Gotcha. 00:57:32 Speaker 2: Okay, So do you feel as if if you had the water access capabilities that you would you could go back in there and kill it here this week? Or is it kind of blown out? 00:57:48 Speaker 4: No, it's not. I don't think it's blown out, but I I don't think I would go back in there just because it was kind of a dangerous situation. 00:57:57 Speaker 2: Man. 00:57:58 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I don't know, just a pretty not super swift, but a fairly swift river, you know, with small boats and having it traverse, you know, a mile at the mercy of the river. 00:58:14 Speaker 5: In the dark over a mile. So yeah, I don't know. 00:58:18 Speaker 2: Well, what's the plan from now? Then we kind of got the update on. 00:58:21 Speaker 1: The first half of the trip. 00:58:24 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you feel like you're putting the puzzle pieces together. 00:58:27 Speaker 1: Or are you taking shots in the dark. 00:58:30 Speaker 4: We're starting to take shots in dark, for sure. I Mean I think when I feel like I'm putting the pieces of the puzzle together, it's usually because I've seen a buck do something, and I haven't really I've seen two bucks, two shooter bucks on this trip, and they were both in a morning, which I thought was kind of odd, and they were both on a place that's kind of it doesn't set up for me to hunt it this afternoon, for sure, And I don't have a whole lot of days left. We're starting to get crunch time, starting to feel the pressure a little bit, So I don't know what I'm hunting. An eye is probably gonna be kind of a beat down to get into but not nothing like you know what I just went through with that water access stuff. 00:59:19 Speaker 5: But I don't know, man, at some point, like. 00:59:23 Speaker 4: You do what you can do, and if it if it becomes you know, not fun, and that's what you it's not what we're shooting for here. You know. So if I'm hunting a pretty decent spot that's four hundred yards off the road and I don't see a deer, then at least I didn't, you know, at least to get to go home and uh, you know, eat some tacos or something at a decent hour. 00:59:48 Speaker 5: So you know, it gave myself a chance. 00:59:52 Speaker 4: But I don't know. I'm mean tonight, I'm definitely gonna gonna walk my tail off. It's just, you know, I think sometimes you have to on these trips, you got to think about like how much fun are you having versus how much work is it does it take to get it done? 01:00:08 Speaker 5: Because you know, there's a way to do this where it's fun. 01:00:10 Speaker 4: Like if we had private access up here in some corn piles, we could probably have a lot of fun. But you know, we're basically we basically live in Mexico and I'm hunting in you know, Canada, so it's a long ways from home, you know, so it just you don't it's hard to hard to find people that even speak our language, you know. 01:00:35 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well sounds tough. 01:00:38 Speaker 1: Man. I have a lot. 01:00:40 Speaker 2: To encourage you with, except for the fact that you're gonna kill deer this season. So if you don't kill one, you're still gonna have stuff to eat. You know, it's gonna be fun. Yeah, thanks man, Yeah, for sure. And I'm not gonna be mad at you for not killing one, so thanks to Yeah, I didn't think you would. 01:00:57 Speaker 1: Nah, Nah, I usually ain't. 01:01:00 Speaker 5: I'm uh, I'm gonna give it a try. 01:01:02 Speaker 4: You know, We're gonna keep hunting. It's uh, it's just kind of just kind of hurts a little bit to come up here and spend a lot of money and and uh for everything to kind of just I don't know, We've just we've really had a very a lot of difficulties in the last week or so. Yeah. 01:01:23 Speaker 1: Absolutely, Yeah, it makes things tough, man. 01:01:29 Speaker 4: There's all I mean, there's stuff you and I have faced in the last few weeks, and then there's been you know, on this trip with just the flat tire, dude, I thought for sure I wasn't able to get it off because you know, the shop had impacted it so hard. I couldn't get it off, so I couldn't put my spar on. And I thought I wasn't gonna get to go in and kill a buck on that wind that I needed to, which turned out to be not the truth anyway, but I would have never known, right, Yeah, and uh, you know that was on Labor Day when nobody's open. 01:02:01 Speaker 5: I mean, just stuff like that. Man. You know, it's just been been a very difficult. 01:02:06 Speaker 4: Trip and we've we've lost a lot of money and camera equipment on this trip. 01:02:10 Speaker 1: Tyler. 01:02:11 Speaker 3: It's gonna make that buck you shoot this evening just that much more rewarding. 01:02:15 Speaker 2: Well, I hope keep your head up, man, keep having his standards are dropping a little bit. 01:02:20 Speaker 1: He's at about a eighty five inch six point. 01:02:22 Speaker 2: Would you shoot a two year old year old? 01:02:29 Speaker 5: I probably? I mean, you know this is debated. 01:02:32 Speaker 4: Well, of course, every person that's an expert on YouTube is gonna tell me something different, But yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna probably shoot what I consider to be, you know, a three year old deer. Something that would go like one fifteen ish. 01:02:46 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, that's kind of what I'm doing. Those are fun, Yeah, they are, Yeah, they are. 01:02:50 Speaker 4: I probably won't shoot a dear you know, my score under one hundred. 01:02:55 Speaker 1: I hope you find one, man, because here's the deal. 01:02:57 Speaker 2: I know you, and if you can just like what you're saying, wh you're putting the puzzle piece together, like if you can see a deer do something, there's a real good chance that you can go kill out and kill a deer that does the same thing or something. 01:03:09 Speaker 1: But that's like, that's kind of where you're at. 01:03:11 Speaker 2: You're in that that point of reeling where you're just like, man, I don't have there's no foundation to build upon right now, right yeah. 01:03:18 Speaker 1: And that's what you and I. 01:03:19 Speaker 2: Were talking well ago off air about a place that you're considered hunting, and I was like, man, I would really try to get where I could see some ground in that and try to have something to build on, you know. 01:03:32 Speaker 4: Because it's it's just some of the stuff. This stuff is stick around here. 01:03:36 Speaker 5: Man. 01:03:36 Speaker 4: It's different than like like again, I haven't I don't know. I only know one person. I didn't we've planned this trip. I didn't know anybody that had ever hunted here. And now I know one person because I told them where I was going, that has hunted here before, but I don't ask for a lot of tips from that person. And like all the other people that I know, they hunt a different area, a couple of different areas that I probably should have gone to, areas where you can see deer. This area you cannot really see deer. And that's one thing that's making it so tough, is like even at that spot we were talking about, you're talking about just saying go, like, you know, it's overgrown with these little cottonwoods, and I just don't know even if I sit what looks like you can see over some stuff, I'm not sure how how much stuff, I mean. And some of this, like there's like Indian grass or whatever it is up here, it's like real tall. So I'm just kind of there's lots of cat tails. I'm just kind of not sure. You know. Obviously there's places you can see more than others, but I'm not sure how well I'll be able to see from some of this stuff, you know, And I know for sure, like over the course of this trip, I haven't been able to see that great, And that's I mean, that's the kind of early seasoned thing too, you know. 01:04:53 Speaker 1: Yeah, so there's a weird dynamic up there. 01:04:56 Speaker 2: It seems to where like you're not in hilly country, but there's little bit of roll to it to where like four foot of elevation change makes a difference where you can't see the back corner or something, and yeah, it's kind of what you need to be able to see to make an inference. 01:05:11 Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure, for sure. Yeah, it's been tough, man, But. 01:05:15 Speaker 4: I have seen two bucks and I've just got to try to whittle my way in on those. And I just can't do it tonight with the wind that we've got. But I think in the morning I have a chance at them. 01:05:26 Speaker 1: Oh that's cool, the morning hunting. Huh. Yeah, you've been scouting most of your mornings, right, I have. 01:05:32 Speaker 4: It's been such long nights, man, and it's just gonna be probably kind of a beat down in the morning. 01:05:37 Speaker 5: But try to get a nap in the middle of the day, imagine. 01:05:40 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't blame that a boy. There you go, Well, keep after it, man. I think that one of the things that you know you have to take from a situation like this, I think everybody can do is to understand that you will not kill one if you quit, right, and you might not kill one if you keep trying. 01:05:56 Speaker 1: But that's the only chance you do have to kill one. 01:05:58 Speaker 5: That's right, man, that the cliche is true. Can't kill him from the couch. 01:06:03 Speaker 1: That's right, or the bed or the truck. You can kill from the true well, if you have a gun. But he's archery hunting. 01:06:10 Speaker 6: Uh, Brian loves I know it well, I got all the confidence in the world. And you man, you trying to kill, you'll kill him, and uh, keep keep working hard. I think that's what we can all focus on in this deal and remember that and remember this is your element, live in it. 01:06:29 Speaker 1: Think Brian was gonna say it didn't him

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