00:00:00 Speaker 1: I'm Casey, and I'm Tyler, and I'm Brun and you're listening to the Element podcast. 00:00:15 Speaker 2: What is having in every one? We are sitting. 00:00:19 Speaker 3: Around on the Nebraska furture Mark catch again. 00:00:22 Speaker 2: I love getting to say it because usually that's Tyler's line. 00:00:25 Speaker 1: But Tyler is. 00:00:27 Speaker 3: Doped up at the moment, so he he can't really make it good. 00:00:29 Speaker 1: This might make it for a real good podcast. Always kind of dopey. 00:00:32 Speaker 2: What's going on, Tyler? 00:00:34 Speaker 4: Oh, just sending an email to somebody. I don't want to send an email to Tyler's on a. 00:00:39 Speaker 1: Little bit of painkiller. He had a little procedure. Dumb at All's well? Right? 00:00:42 Speaker 3: Yeah, in the in the land of pursuage, learning the procedures that Brian had done. 00:00:46 Speaker 2: So Brian's here, Brian. 00:00:51 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:00:51 Speaker 3: Our demographic of podcast listener is heavily male, Okay, and then specifically the twenty five to forty five age range feris. 00:01:03 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:01:04 Speaker 3: So you have since taking drastic measures to affect your fertility. 00:01:09 Speaker 1: That's how we're starting this. H that's right. I did. 00:01:11 Speaker 3: I had a the sectomy yesterday. Huh oh yesterday yesterday. And you're supposed to you were supposed to lay horse off for forty eight hours. 00:01:18 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's yesterday. Yeah, it's ripped open. We both had procedures yesterday. 00:01:24 Speaker 3: Yeah, about twelve hours in the bed was more than I can do. So dude had to get up and do something away. You were in the bed for twelve hours. It's probably six to eight and so now you have an open wound. 00:01:40 Speaker 1: I do I have an. 00:01:40 Speaker 3: Open wound because you didn't spend the time to make stories going to hear about it. But we have to keep it PG. Yeah, I'm trying to keep it glued shut. 00:01:51 Speaker 1: Thank you. No, now I have a band aid on it. 00:01:56 Speaker 3: But you feel like it was as bad it was successful, and it wasn't mirror as bad as I. 00:02:05 Speaker 1: Thought it was gonna be. We'll see. I think it's a little see it was. 00:02:09 Speaker 3: It was a ten minute surgery and. 00:02:13 Speaker 1: It paid. 00:02:15 Speaker 3: Michael's freaking out right now, Wow, look at them. He hasn't had to have thoughts of walked. 00:02:21 Speaker 1: Into and paid for it. Man. 00:02:23 Speaker 3: And then we saw a sign outside you know it was painted that paint that they used like the letter cutouts for. 00:02:30 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't I still understand how and said m d on it. So I maybe hopefully that just means from yeah. 00:02:40 Speaker 3: So so it was are you are you happy you had done? I am, yeah, because you don't wantny more kids. I don't want any more children. You got a two plus two plus a bonus trial. 00:02:52 Speaker 1: That's that's all I need. Okay. I'm I'm grateful for him. Yeah, but I don't want anymore. Yeah, I can see that. 00:03:00 Speaker 3: Yeah, I understand. I always wanted just one child, and now I'm at three. And here we are. Here, we are. 00:03:07 Speaker 1: One is left of a third old man before all right, well that's one of the six in the room right now. 00:03:18 Speaker 3: I have had that procedure, and it's interesting to hear your perspective. 00:03:21 Speaker 1: It doesn't make me want it any more than I used. It wasn't bad. 00:03:24 Speaker 5: It wasn't that bad. 00:03:26 Speaker 1: Okay. 00:03:26 Speaker 3: So with that out of the way, all the important questions we can get to. We did a little prompt here. Well back on the Elements story. You might have seen one this week. Actually this is the podcast brought to you by First Light Gear and it is the spring sale. Go over there, first Light Mediator, all those places get you some this kind of gear, and we're gonna talk about some of stuff right now. The I asked question yesterday it was Tuesday, and I said, what has got you going right now? Or something like that, what's got you locked in? And it was still overwhelmingly the majority of people were locked in on deer, turkeys, fishing, and exploring and scouting. Where the other options? I think it went deer, fishing, turkeys and then exploring. It was the order of importance to people. So everybody's still got deer on the brain. And so we're gonna do a deer hunting Q and A. We had an opening to question on the story about a month ago that was pretty much what subjects would you like is to cover in length. 00:04:32 Speaker 2: In a discussion about deer hunting? 00:04:34 Speaker 3: And so we had a lot of questions and things submitted, and we're gonna. 00:04:37 Speaker 2: Spend some time on some of these. Brian's gonna read them to us. 00:04:40 Speaker 3: Some of them might be a little bit shorter, some might be a little bit longer, just kind of depending on how exhaustive we think we should be with an answer. Also, Tyler's lips are a little numb from the stuff he's taken. 00:04:52 Speaker 1: So y'all pay no mind to anything. 00:04:54 Speaker 3: It's weird over there, that's fine, But Tyler's answers should be good today. 00:04:58 Speaker 1: I think, Man, here we go the other thing. Any other thoughts on this? Tyler? On this? 00:05:03 Speaker 3: Yeah, any thing that we're doing here now, okay, let's just get into it then, Brian, first question. 00:05:09 Speaker 5: All right, here we go. I would like to hunt with you guys. Let's discuss things. 00:05:14 Speaker 3: Well, recently we opened up applications for internships with the Elements and that is likely closed already, so miss your chance on that. 00:05:27 Speaker 2: Appreciate your interest in us. 00:05:29 Speaker 4: Got to be locked into our instagram, you know, man, I'll see that that. 00:05:32 Speaker 3: Uh, maybe we get to run up on each other in the woods one day, or at the boat ramp or something. 00:05:39 Speaker 1: Not in the woods. 00:05:40 Speaker 3: No, all right, what do you like? 00:05:43 Speaker 1: Also this this thing that they're doing at media. 00:05:46 Speaker 3: Yeah, the media experience, this thing. We might be on some of that at some point in time. Uh, we're kind of on again, off again on if we're going to go to one of those or not. 00:05:54 Speaker 2: But if you got a whole bunch of money, don't know what to do with it. 00:05:57 Speaker 3: The media experiences, it's sounds pretty cool. It's just a little expensive. But everything's expensive, dude, like a bag of chips. 00:06:03 Speaker 1: Is six twenty nine. Tough man, you know. 00:06:07 Speaker 3: Yeah, the worst thing you could have done with your money in the past four years is save it, because it's what half. 00:06:11 Speaker 1: Of what it was. 00:06:13 Speaker 2: But anyways, the media experience this thing is pretty cool. 00:06:15 Speaker 3: They got a duck hunt and a Louisiana just Schmortes board thing. 00:06:19 Speaker 4: I think that would be really cool personally. That would be all dound there and do some raging cage and yeah, buddy. 00:06:24 Speaker 5: All right, what do deer like to bet in? And how should you hunt that area? 00:06:29 Speaker 4: This is very specific to your area. I wish I knew who this was or where your area was. But typically we've talked about a lot on this podcast, probably in and you've heard it another podcasts or other people talk about this is a high stem count area, which means that there are lots of stems in a small area. Whatever that respective area is, and anything that it would be considered a high stem count area for your area is probably a lot of times what deer are going to bet in. Now, another thing that you would have to think about is the not necessarily how remote, but how unbothered that place is. So typically if you're talking about Bucks, especially, they're gonna be in a place that just doesn't. It may be six hundred yards from a house, but you know, if that person never goes to that piece of property because it's high stem count, they can't ride a full whether near it or whatever, then that's where a buck is gonna bed throughout the summer. Probably last thing I would kind of say here is that I wouldn't necessarily and we'll say this maybe again at some point on this podcast, I wouldn't necessarily just like think that just because of buck beds there, you have to hunt it. There's a lot of people out there that talk about buck betting and hunting buck betting. I would say hunting a betting area is not a bad idea, But I'm more try to hunt in between the betting and the food source. And I can say that many times I I'm able to kill deer fairly far from betting, within a few hundred yards of their betting sometimes or maybe even more than that, and they're still there in daylight. 00:08:11 Speaker 2: I think there's two ways to approach that. 00:08:12 Speaker 3: To just kind of continue on what you're saying, if you're hunting in a really high pressured area, then sometimes you have to get real close to the beds. I tend to try to get far away from people and even on like a state by state basis, so that you can accomplish what you're saying where I mean, if the deer aren't pressure, they're gonna be on their feet in daylight, moving around doing some stuff, and you can you can kill them. If you're hunting forty acres that three other guys hunt, then yeah, might they might not stand up until dark. The question was about deer though, too, and not just bucks, so to think about it that way. As far as the how to hunt thing goes, Tyler was very good with like what they bet in, but I think the how to I don't like to hunt up in betting areas too much unless it is like the rut or I'm on a hunt and I'm out being super aggressive in the morning, I get right in the bed like the bedding area stuff. But hunting on the outskirts, I think is the way to hunt a bedding area and make sure your wind is blown in a super safe direction. 00:09:16 Speaker 1: And yeah, that's probably about all I'd say about that deer. 00:09:21 Speaker 3: Do you like to bed if you're in open country where there's nothing they like to bed on the shady stuff or in the shady stuff on the north side of stuff. 00:09:29 Speaker 1: A lot of times. 00:09:30 Speaker 4: Also, if you're hunting in the morning, when the deer is coming back in, I know a lot of people like to talk about kind of a jay hook thing. So just depending on how much time you have there to hunt and how much time you have laughter how it will decide or determine how aggressive you want to be. So you know, i'd be conservative early in a trip and more aggressive later. 00:09:50 Speaker 5: All right, bare bones white tail hunting, very limited budget and starting from only a good bow. 00:09:55 Speaker 3: Thanks, So I'm assuming, like, what else does he need on this would be the quoest you know. I think the textbox on the Instagram I unless you put so much in there. So people were kind of being condensed with this. But if you got a good bow, that's great. I'm assuming you have everything you need for the good bow. So let's go to the other stuff. If I was gonna think about footwear and I can only buy one thing, I'd buy a pair of good rubber boots because you can do about in hear everything in a pair of good rubber boots. 00:10:25 Speaker 2: I dare I say you could climb a mountain and a pair of. 00:10:27 Speaker 3: Good rubber boots. But I think you could. But those rubber boots will last year all season. Unless it's super frigid, then you might need something with a little more room in it to keep your toes warm. But in general, a pair of good rubber boots is gonna be like a really big thing. Beyond that, I think that personally you can hunt from the ground and be really effective. 00:10:53 Speaker 2: You just have to think about that as a ground hunter. 00:10:56 Speaker 3: If you're talking about bare bones, right, that would mean likely not having a stand, a saddle in any of that kind of stuff. If you did want to go into something, saddle hunting is the way to go because it's pretty minimalistic. You're not carrying a big old stand with you. 00:11:11 Speaker 2: You can stand on the top of your stick. 00:11:13 Speaker 3: Eric did that for a year I think when he first started saddle hunting, and it worked pretty good for him. So you know, might be something else to consider purchasing tyler. 00:11:23 Speaker 4: I would say, if you're bare bones and your very limited budget, you're probably hunting public land. I would have I would find you can find them cheap, probably, but I would find a frame pack of some sort that you can carry all your stuff in whatever you might need, and also pack a deer out when you you know, get whenever you shoot a deer. Just something that you can go ahead and cut up, pack out with and then you just hunt with that pack. But you can, I'm sure you can find something that you know, Goodwill or something like that, or get Samritans or whatever. And you know something, I think we used to have some jam sports that were like super cheap. 00:12:02 Speaker 2: And probably a lot of Black Canyon with those. 00:12:04 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and there. I mean it's not ideal, but you're talking very limited budget. Sometimes you gotta just be tough if you're gonna, you know, limit yourself on budget. So I'd say, uh, man, arranged Finder is hard for me to not have. Unless you're just gonna limit yourself to twenty yards an end. Pretty much, that's a good one. 00:12:28 Speaker 3: I would say personally, No, then this might not be for everybody, but a on X subscription is worth the money. 00:12:38 Speaker 1: Yeah, and if. 00:12:39 Speaker 3: You're doing bare bones, maybe you're not traveling, so you can do the single state. I think it's like eight bucks or something like that. It's not very expensive. And I know that kind of sounds like a plug, But I mean we literally use it every day. We spent probably over an hour on X today already. So it's just it's a thing, and it would absolutely make you more efficient. And if you're out there tough in it, the last thing you want to do is try to tough it and end up in the woods thirty five days of terrible hunting when make yourself not want to do that anymore. So figure out a way to be more efficient and can more animals, and good mapping system is gonna help you with that. 00:13:16 Speaker 1: All right. 00:13:17 Speaker 5: Next question, this is kind of tricky. How much one should or shouldn't force your children to embrace hunting lifestyle if they lack interest. 00:13:30 Speaker 3: My kids are younger, so I'm not gonna be great at this, but I do think in general, just from observations, and this is probably not just hunting, right. 00:13:41 Speaker 1: But. 00:13:43 Speaker 3: If you don't let your kids be themselves within reason, they're gonna have animosity towards things, right, Like if your kid wants to make believe it's a dog, you probably shouldn't let that go on for too long past through you know, age, right, But like I mean. 00:13:58 Speaker 1: Well, my four year old Michael still thinks a dog but. 00:14:05 Speaker 3: My four year old likes binoculars and he likes sitting in the blind, but he doesn't really care that much about the deer. 00:14:13 Speaker 2: He's likes going out and doing the things. That's what we do, you know. 00:14:16 Speaker 3: So I think at least my little bit of insight is to just focus on the things that they do like and try to mold that to where you could to spend time together. 00:14:25 Speaker 4: Tyler, Man, I pray often for wisdom. That's something that I in my prayers pray for a lot, because we're very very much idiotic compared to the guy that created this place. So I have to try to think about man like, if I can pray that wisdom being parted to me, then I'll be able to make hopefully my life and others better around me, you know. So I guess what I'm trying to get to here is that I don't really know for sure how to answer this question that great, but I would say that there are things that you have to think about certain situations. Certain things are worth forcing, like case he said, but some situations aren't. And I think, like in the case, I'm thinking of an example with my son. He's you know, bigger than Michael, but he's twelve, and he's just you know, so in other words, he can take the recoil of a six or five creed More and he got hit by four to ten in the cheek when he was five years old, and ever since he's hated guns, you know. And this past season I had to essentially just say, look, you're gonna shoot this thing or I'm fixing and throw that Nintendo in the trash, you know what I mean. And that was like a moment where I didn't make him shoot a deer, but I made him shoot a target with a gun just to prove to him. And he literally wanted to smile after he shot it, like he couldn't believe it didn't hit him as hard as he thought it was going to. 00:15:57 Speaker 1: Right. 00:15:58 Speaker 4: So it's just one of those things where like I haven't made him shoot a deer, I haven't made him go hunting with me, and he's been some with me. He really loves fishing a lot. I mean, he will stay out fishing all day and not catch nothing, but he loves it. But hunting he hasn't really gotten into that much. And I think a lot of it you have to just determine what your child is actually afraid of, and if it's worth conquering, or if it's something that they generate they actually don't don't have interest in. Do they actually lack interest or are they only pretending that they lack interest because of the unknown and the fear that they have, right, So, I don't know. There's a lot to it. Man, it's hard. It's a hard question to answer, but it's a good question. 00:16:37 Speaker 3: I asked Patrick about this the day, my friend Patrick pay Singer because his son just shot a turkey recently and he's shot a few birds. It sounds like, but you know, I think not to go too far into what he had to say. He had some wise words, but one of the best things that he said is that essentially, you know your kid better than anybody, so you need to make your own judgment call on what the situation is. 00:17:05 Speaker 1: So that's probably all I know to say. 00:17:08 Speaker 3: You can help on this a little bit. Asher loves it. Asher does love it. 00:17:13 Speaker 5: I think earlier I really was kind of focused on getting him to kill an animal for his first experience, but then, you know, I think it's more about them having fun and then they grow into that. 00:17:26 Speaker 3: So Asher loves to go shoot squirrels or shoot shoot at stuff with his baby gun. And now you know, he killed his first year this year. 00:17:35 Speaker 5: So, like I said, I kind of found myself wanting to force it upon my child because I love to do it. But I think it's more about the experience and taking my kids out and let them have a fun time. 00:17:45 Speaker 3: And that's I think. You know, they've grown into loving hunting, so that's cool. 00:17:50 Speaker 5: Next question, does antly size in fact affect the quality of meat? 00:17:55 Speaker 3: Short answer, No, I mean I think what they're getting at is like buck tasting different than dough or whatever, and I just don't find that to be the case. 00:18:05 Speaker 1: I don't either. 00:18:06 Speaker 4: In fact, I don't find old bucks older bucks. You're gonna have a hard time finding a buck over five years old in almost every place in America. I mean, there are very few places that that exists, and so in those places don't have many people right, or sometimes it's any deer, And so I think that like in my experience, even four and five and sometimes six year old bucks still taste really good. 00:18:34 Speaker 1: I don't. 00:18:34 Speaker 4: I don't find that making much of a difference. And if you if it's too tough for you, then grind it, you know, and eat the back straps. 00:18:41 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that. 00:18:43 Speaker 3: I in fact seems that like younger does and stuff almost are kind of mealy to me because they're kind of tender and don't have a lot of flavor to the meat or whatever. 00:18:55 Speaker 1: I kind of like the I've. 00:18:56 Speaker 3: Grown into, like in the you know, denser me your red or meat or whatever you might want to call it. And I think a lot of the stuff with the way animals taste is about meat care. 00:19:06 Speaker 1: Just don't take care of their their meat very much. 00:19:09 Speaker 4: That's a good point, because I'll tell you what. I one thing I don't really like that a lot of people like is tenderloin. And I think a lot of time it gets some sort of a year in or gut. Oh yeah, and you know, thing on it or whatever, And that's why I don't. 00:19:20 Speaker 1: Like it. 00:19:22 Speaker 5: All right, Next question, how spring and summer scouting can be used to relate to where deer will be in October. 00:19:31 Speaker 4: I've gone first a few times. 00:19:35 Speaker 3: Unless you're finding rubs or old scrapes, it ain't gonna do you a lot of good. That's I mean, you're if you want to get out there and spring and summer scout in a place where the deer can freely travel anywhere. 00:19:47 Speaker 1: Now, if they're on a. 00:19:48 Speaker 3: You know, a river corridor and everything else is open ground, that's a little different, right, But in general, you you just will not find a ton of correlation from what you find in the summer as far as like individual animals to the fall. 00:20:05 Speaker 1: In my experience, I mean, i'd have to agree. 00:20:07 Speaker 4: I'd say that winter, like if you some people call, you know, like what we were talking to everybuddy Corey in Bozeman last week and it was snowing up there. 00:20:18 Speaker 1: So is that spring? Is that winter? You know? 00:20:20 Speaker 4: I mean like it's it's arctics like for some people. Depending on where you're from, you might call, you know, like you you might call February spring or you might call May spring, you know what I mean. So I don't know, but February might be worth being out there. But once it starts, you start seeing green up happen. I pretty much think of it as like very hard to find where you know deer will relate there, and then that'll help you find it out where they'll be in October. I mean, the best thing you can do probably is have cell or trail cameras out and use what you see last year during the season as being what will help you next year. 00:21:02 Speaker 3: Next question, calling and stalking. 00:21:06 Speaker 6: Yeah, do it. 00:21:29 Speaker 1: What's the question? 00:21:30 Speaker 2: Well, it was like things that we'd like to calling. 00:21:33 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, okay, so discuss Yeah, so I'll discuss some calling and stalking. I would say that I prefer in open country to rattle more than I do to grunt, and in like timbered country, I prefer to grunt more than rattle a lot of times, or at least first grunt for a while. And I would say that for calling, I would try to listen to what you know. Like one good thing about hunting people rag on feeders and stuff from states that don't have that. You know that you can't hunt feeders or whatever. But one of the best things that I've been able to do around feeders is learn deer, and I get to see deer for more than just a brief passing thirty seconds. I get to see that deer for twenty thirty minutes sometimes, and I get to hear multiple deer talk to each other. And I think that's like super beneficial when it comes to making real sounds as. 00:22:34 Speaker 1: Opposed to the big old grunts, you know. 00:22:36 Speaker 4: That people try to throw out there all the time, Like you know, I'm trying to sound like a big buck or whatever. It's like, man, sometimes that big buck doesn't really do much different than a doe, does you know what I mean? So I think that's like generally speaking, I fish the same way. I use realistic baits a lot more often than I use big, flashy stuff. Not to say that it's it doesn't work sometimes, but and I mean stalking, we could go into a whole podcast on that. 00:23:04 Speaker 3: I feel, yeah, we probably should actually because I've done a decent amount of it, And in general, I think that you should try some stalking, especially in open country, because you'll learn a lot about deer, and you'll learn a lot about what you can get away with and what you can't. And it might not be the most effective thing, but it'd be great to have that tool in your toolbox if you need to. 00:23:23 Speaker 2: You know, like, there's a chance. 00:23:24 Speaker 3: You see a big giant buck go lock down a dough in a weird spot. Well, if you've never done it before, man, you're liable to mess it up. But if you've like tried to make a move on a deer before you'll at least have a basis says to know what to do, all right, Next question, management bucks. The correct age to harvest a deer. This is ear this type, so this is probably pretty private land oriented on public ground. 00:23:56 Speaker 1: If it makes you happy and it's legal, I'm all about shooting it. Tyler. Yes, sir. 00:24:04 Speaker 3: A deer's skeletal structure stops growing around five years old. 00:24:09 Speaker 1: Is that correct? I've heard four and a half is about when it stops. I round it up, so yeah, about. 00:24:14 Speaker 3: Four oh okay, so somewhere around there you're going to end up with a mature bodied animal. Now, there are places around the country, especially like in the South Texas areas, where they're getting deer to be their biggest at seven and eight years old, as long as they have plenty of food. So if you're trying to shoot a deer that has good antlers and he's got plenty of food about near the older. 00:24:40 Speaker 1: The better. But we're talking about management bucks. 00:24:44 Speaker 3: So first of all, I have opinion that you cannot control the genetics of a population unless it is in a confined space, and that space has to be pretty small. 00:24:54 Speaker 2: So if you're trying to manage for larger antlers. 00:24:57 Speaker 3: You're really not going to do that very much unless here's here's a thought of learning this from Leelakowski will leave. 00:25:02 Speaker 1: On the Wired to Hunt podcast, no Less. 00:25:06 Speaker 3: Lee said that him and Tiff would buy properties and they would go in there and they would shoot some giant four and a half year old one sixties, and then within two or three years they'd end up with a whole bunch of giant eight points that scored one thirty, like ruling the roost on the ridges on these Iowa properties. And so there is this and he and it's something that he learned along the way is that you could treat those eight pointers as deer to shoot and treat the ones with more genetic potential as deer to keep, and then you can shoot them at six and seven years old whenever they're huge. So if you see a deer, it looks like an eight point is always going to be An eight point at four might be a good deer to shoot, whereas like this, for instance, another place that we hunted this year, we had a three year old twelve point two. Yeah, is further north here on an open property, but he might have been two years old. You remember that deer. He's a six by six like a two year old still would have scored like in the thirties. 00:26:10 Speaker 2: Anyways, it happened, and he was like, I for sure, pass right. 00:26:14 Speaker 3: But there was a time in my life I'd be like a twelve point shooting, you know. And if you never shot to a point you wanted to, that's fine. But if you're managing for deer. 00:26:21 Speaker 1: It's a thing. Yeah, I think you said it. 00:26:24 Speaker 2: Okay, good job, Thanks, all right. 00:26:28 Speaker 5: Next question, your first deer hunt or someone else's first hunt you witnessed? 00:26:33 Speaker 1: Who wants to talk about that? 00:26:34 Speaker 3: I don't know what's this. 00:26:35 Speaker 4: My first deer hunt was in South Texas. That's my first. This is my first, No, this was my first year hunt. This's my first deer kill. My first deer hunt was here in East Texas. 00:26:47 Speaker 3: You mean first you had a weapon. Is that what you think of as your first deer hunt or the first one you went on? 00:26:52 Speaker 1: Uh? 00:26:52 Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't really go until I was hunting pretty much, and I we we were walking to our stand and there was the neighbor had a big bunch of oats planting, and as we're coming up out of this creek bottom. I remember a big old line of deer just filing out, running out of this oat field. My dad just bends, like kneels down and goes put it on my shoulder and shoot that buck right there. And so I put my gun on his shoulder. I shoot, and yeah, I don't know anything, right, I shoot. Deer runs off. He's like, I think you hit him. We go over and look. He kind of assumes that it's a gut shot. And we tracked him for a while, couldn't find him. This is a long time ago, y'all. And I just remember being super disappointed that that that I shot that deer and not killed it, you know, and hit it. So that was my first deer hunt. 00:27:50 Speaker 3: My first deer hunt was in Brownwood, Texas, and we had that at least for a few seasons in the first year that's probably like five. And my granddad who since passed away, so you can't charge him, and me was a youth, so you can't charge me. At that point in time, was hunting with the twenty two. We're trying to shoot the deer because the heavy recal uh. And I didn't kill one, but I shot at a couple of year lands and stuff. 00:28:18 Speaker 1: So yeah, that was interesting. 00:28:21 Speaker 3: I wouldn't suggest it all right. Next question is mule deer on public land. We get to take this how we want to. The best state to hunt mulder on public land is the state you can find them in that kind of hard to find. 00:28:40 Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred of them in Colorado one time. It's a good place. 00:28:45 Speaker 4: It's a been historically a good place front and mulder on public land because. 00:28:49 Speaker 2: There's a lot of public land there. 00:28:50 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think for a long time there was a pretty good mule deer on public land there. But I think that maybe a trend in a different direction. 00:29:01 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:29:01 Speaker 4: I mean a lot of people are thinking that with the wolves when I was thinking before that. 00:29:05 Speaker 3: In a second, there's a there's a question about them. Is there them canines? 00:29:08 Speaker 1: Yeah? Uh yeah. I think it's a good, good snoption. 00:29:12 Speaker 4: I think it would be fun to hunt, you know, there on public land. But I just like hunting deer and white tails to me are probably superior. 00:29:21 Speaker 1: We get to talk about that in a second. Two oh boy. 00:29:24 Speaker 3: Next question is knowing when to move locations when hunting public sing buck. They're seeing bucks but not mature. If you're seeing bucks I don't know. Yeah, that's kind of hard to say. If you're seeing multiple bucks but you're not seeing a mature buck, I think you're in a pretty good spot. It might just be that there aren't a lot of mature bucks on public land. You know, this is pretty subjective depending on where you're at and what time of year it is, too. 00:29:55 Speaker 1: But if it's late season, you might have. 00:29:57 Speaker 3: To just go deeper to find a mature buck because they tend to hold up pretty hard after the hunting pressure and after the rut. 00:30:07 Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say probably you probably got it right. I mean, especially it depends on what time of year or two. I mean, if it's if it's the rut and you're seeing bucks, I'd probably hang in there. So if it's early season, depending on what the property looks like, I might be willing to move pretty quick, all right. 00:30:36 Speaker 3: The next question is meat hunting for us new to the game. Man, go somewhere where there's a lot of targets and find a way to use a gun because you can stretch out your your range that way. If you truly are meat hunting, you know, find you a place that there's a lot of meat running around and sit somewhere you can see a lot. 00:30:58 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's plenty of states that have gun seasons and lots of deer and them especially like east of the Mississippi or pig hunting. 00:31:07 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you do that all year long, the thermal at night. All right. 00:31:14 Speaker 5: The next question is hunting scrapes scraps, Tyler. 00:31:20 Speaker 1: What about it? 00:31:21 Speaker 4: You killed a big deer to scrape? Yeah, I've killed a few deer. It's some scrapes. I'd say that hunk scraps. I just now called that. If you're hunting scrapes, you know, probably it depends on a lot of things, right, but the the like late October from then on is when you kind of probably want to focus on it. A lot of people think that scrapes kind of don't. They become some somewhat not hot once the deer really get into like the heart of the rut, And I would say that they're probably right to an extent. I actually don't spend a lot of time hunting and scrapes during the peak of the rut. But I wouldn't, like I wouldn't see a scrape and not hunt there, Like if I thought it was a good place to hunt, if there was gonna be deer hanging around or whatever. In fact, if I was in a isolated bedding area and I saw a scrape, I probably would hunt within shooting distance of that scrape because there's a high chance that deer gets up, goes to checks the scrape, and then what they'll do. A lot of times deer after they get up from a from a bed, they really like a lot of times they are slow to do anything. They're just like they get up, they pee, they lick a branch, they stare off in the distance, they move a few feet, they lick another branch, they work a scrape. I mean, they really get to move, and it's like watching somebody in the morning waking up before they have caffeine, you know what I mean. 00:32:50 Speaker 1: And uh so I. 00:32:52 Speaker 4: Think like that's that's the scenario where I would hunt a scrape, you know, in early to bed November, and then after that. I mean, I've killed a deer in late December over a scrape too, So I mean it can happen from and I think of it also as late October. You've got a better chance of that deer's showing up in the daylight. When I think before late October. A lot of times you're going to have some night movement involved with scrapes that may not be worth a risk at that point in the season, hunting those. 00:33:25 Speaker 1: Sounds good to me. 00:33:26 Speaker 3: I don't really have a lot more to add to that except I like them. The next question, drawing bow on deer sub thirty yards, Well, if you're in a tree, that's always helps. Being on the ground, it's real hard to draw your bow when there's a deer round. You got to pick it out. But of course when the deer's got his head behind something, when the deer's moving is a good time. 00:33:49 Speaker 2: When the deer's not looking at you. 00:33:52 Speaker 3: I mean, you think about the eye shot a deer a few years back that ran into a fence after I shot it. 00:33:57 Speaker 1: Y'all may have seen it. 00:33:57 Speaker 2: If you haven't, you need to go watch it. That's on YouTube channel. 00:34:01 Speaker 3: But I'm just like sitting there with pressure on my string, ready to draw at the first opportunity, and something happened in. 00:34:09 Speaker 1: The woods like two or three hundred yards away. 00:34:11 Speaker 3: I don't know if a stick fell, or if a deer was over there or what, but my deer kind of whipped his head around and looked, and as soon as that happened, boy, I jerked the bow back. And here's the thing I think that people mess up. People think that you need to slow draw on deer, and you do sometimes, but sometimes it's a real good idea to just get that bow back because you got a split second where that deer is not looking at you, or he's distracted or whatever. You get that bow back and you can get settled before he knows what's going on. You can get him killed before he can spook out of there. 00:34:40 Speaker 1: For sure. I'm with you on that, man. 00:34:43 Speaker 4: I kind of got a little hybe just seehim thinking about let's go, let's go. I mean, you hit some good points there. I think that another thing this is this comes back to like me being hunting feeders a lot over my life as I've learned a lot about when a deer is actually paying attention to something and when he can see you and what the And here's the thing. Deer vision works. They have a pupil that's kind of horizontally oriented so that they can see a long horizon, a lot of space across the horizon. They also they don't focus as well as we do, but they can see a broader like where our focus is dialed and then everything else is peripheral. There's is like it's like not quite as dilled focus wise. 00:35:31 Speaker 1: It's kind of panoramic. 00:35:32 Speaker 4: It's yeah, it's kind of panoramic, but it's but so in other words, but it does have the peripheral as it goes further out, there is a peripheral effect. So even if you can see a deer's eye, if it's if you can barely see it, then there's there's it can see you, but it doesn't quite register like if it was looking at you or if you're on a dead on ninety to its head, you know what I mean. So in other words, the more sharp the angle is that deer's towards the back of his head that you have even if he can still see you, sometimes it's worth getting pulled back. Another thing I would say is if you think the deer is going to see or hear you draw, then you should probably have a shot at him when you draw the bow back. And there's a case for Cass what he was saying, pulling back quickly, right, because if the deer's going to see you, say, your windows not very long and you think the deer might see you. You wait till he gets in the gap, you pull back, he doesn't see you, then you got to get As soon as you get back, you got to go ahead and grunt stop him. Right, So everything has to happen quick And I would say that goes back to practicing too in the summer. You need to be practicing, like you know, this is probably not something one of those things that we might not should say. You need to practice shooting pretty quickly, like going ahead and getting dialed and shooting pretty quickly and hopefully you know, you know what your effective range is within that at maybe fifteen twenty yards, that's fine, if maybe thirty or less whatever, but like a quick shot might have to happen, and that's I mean, you work card to do that. If you're a recurve shooter, it's no problem. So I don't know why it shouldn't be. With your compound. You should practice going straight back to your knock, your anchor points and getting the shot off quickly. 00:37:11 Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah, that's good stuff. Man. 00:37:13 Speaker 3: One thing I'd add that I didn't think about while we go, is that you need to realize that deer's eyeballs are gyroscopic, so whenever they put their head down to eat, those pupils don't turn with the deer's head or they don't go with it. They stay flat. So when the deer's got its head down eating, that doesn't mean it ain't looking at you. So that's something to keep in mind. They are prey animals and God made them to where they don't want to get eaten. 00:37:41 Speaker 1: Yeah, next one. 00:37:42 Speaker 5: Down, all right, Next question, how to distinguish buck beds, habitat and travel for beginner hunters. 00:37:49 Speaker 4: Okay, for beginners, I would go back to what I said earlier. Buck beds. Just let's go ahead and just not worry about those right now. I mean, let's just let's just think about betting areas. Okay, this is where deer live, not necessarily bucks, but just where deer might live. And it goes back to high stem count, remote or reclusive areas where deer not bothered at least. The habitat that de you're gonna want to live in is is usually if you can find this a mixed habitat, you're gonna have some of it. It's gonna be in the woods, some of it's gonna be in open grasses. Some of it's gonna be in will I thickets, and they need edge. They love edge actually, so they're gonna use the way to get edges to have two differing types of habitat. Okay, So to think about edges as being places deer might travel is a good place to start in any situation as a beginner. And then understanding that in corn and bean country especially, do you're gonna move to those corn and beans? So you've got to really understand what is it that deer eating in your area? Is it acrons? Is it corn? Is it beans? Is it feeders? Is it alfalfa? 00:39:10 Speaker 1: You know, wheat? What is it? 00:39:12 Speaker 4: So finding out where the deer are is pretty simple, right. You can go out and depending on your state, maybe look with thermal or spotlight, or you can even just be there at the end of daylight see the deer out there. Then you know that that's where they are destinating and if that's the right word, and then you can end up figuring out where they come from based off of you're on X map or whatever looking at the habitat that surrounds it. 00:39:39 Speaker 1: What else case thing is travel? 00:39:41 Speaker 3: I think if I read this question right, I think this person's trying to say, how do I determine what is buck and what is just deer? I think the travel if you can find rubs like a rub line, deer aren't going out in the woods in my opinion and going down like through an area and creating a perimeter with rubs like a rub line. 00:40:03 Speaker 1: The reason rub lines. 00:40:04 Speaker 3: Develop is because a deer habitually uses that area on a trail or a deer movement area, and he ends up or multiple bucks end up creating rubs through that section. So if you can find rubs, you know, you know you're in a place that that bucks travel around in, or that potentially they hold up in or want a much stage in next to food. 00:40:27 Speaker 2: That would be something to keep in mind. 00:40:29 Speaker 3: I think habitat one of the things that I think about is a lot of times people look at something and be like, oh, that's super thick in there. There's a lot of deer in there, And I don't actually find that to be the case. I think that deer likes seclusion and they like to have cover. But like just because something is a thirty acre brier thicket doesn't mean that there's deer in there. 00:40:54 Speaker 2: Or I think about cedars where we live. 00:40:56 Speaker 3: If you find a big old seedar thicket, you're like, oh god, dear Benon, this is actually not a lot of deer in the dense cedar. 00:41:01 Speaker 2: You know, it's a wasteland. There's nothing for him to eat in there. 00:41:04 Speaker 3: So I like to look at an area, determine there's deer around there, and then find like the one or two or three or four little pockets that like, man, this makes a lot of sense, So maybe that's something. 00:41:15 Speaker 5: To add in there. 00:41:15 Speaker 4: I would just also say, if you're a beginner hunter, just don't expect it to happen that fast, you know what I mean. You're you're just it's gonna take potentially a few years to figure things out. Really well, be happy shooting a four ky man, That's right. Just have fun out there. The first buck's a big deal, no matter how big it is. 00:41:31 Speaker 5: Next question, what is something you found out the hard way is essential to keep. 00:41:35 Speaker 1: In your pack? 00:41:37 Speaker 3: Well, the cliche thing would be toilet paper, for sure, that's what we're all thinking. 00:41:42 Speaker 1: Eric's still using the net gators though, the uh I think that. 00:41:50 Speaker 3: I think about your nil guy and having a sharp knife is like a big deal. Especially for public land hunting, because yeah, if you're private land hunting, a lot of times you can go get the truck or the ATV or whatever and load the thing up and take it and get it gutted. 00:42:10 Speaker 2: But if you're public land hunting, you. 00:42:12 Speaker 3: Probably got a good sized walk out and maybe you got to come back or whatever. You got to get the guts of that thing. We're talking about meet care earlier, Like that's a big deal. So like having something to be able to do that or completely process it all the way in the field. 00:42:27 Speaker 4: I'd say one thing I really like is rubber wire. I've been really liking that the last couple of years, and I mean, I don't know if you could say essential, but man, I keep it in there, and I found out that it makes my life easier where that whether I'm hanging a go pro on a tree or a bow, or you know, my pack, or you know, if I'm climbing up and I want to tie something onto. 00:42:51 Speaker 1: My pack real quick, it's so easy with that rubb wire. 00:42:55 Speaker 4: You know, you can hang anything with that next to you and you have I mean, you could probably hang a grunt call if you want to to. 00:43:00 Speaker 5: You really easily next question, what do you guys pack for food on an all day hunt? 00:43:06 Speaker 1: No such thing, I figured you said, Michael. 00:43:09 Speaker 3: I had some all day hunts this year, but we weren't in the tree all day, but we were out all day and we packed whatever one I could do that. 00:43:16 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was nice. 00:43:17 Speaker 1: The tree thing bad though. Yeah, I can't do it. 00:43:20 Speaker 3: I understand, dude, sitting in the I mean, yeah, it's rough, just a two hour kind ago. 00:43:26 Speaker 4: I mean we just packed barely longer than you on that and. 00:43:30 Speaker 3: J had some fried chicken. Uh apple, I mean you gotta fuel yourself, man. 00:43:38 Speaker 4: Yeah. I read a I have a book. I think it's called fly Fish in the Rocky Mountain back Country. I think it's the name of the book. I bought it when I bought it from a Barnes and Noble or something, uh no, at half priced books when I was living in Dallas. And it's this guy that's like he does like these three hikes, Like he'll go hiking, you know, I don't know, eighty miles or whatever, you know what I mean, through to another road and he'll have somebody pick him up over there and he fishes the whole way through. Like all this and anyway goes through his whole system, and he talks about it's like he carries heavy amounts of food because he thinks that those heavy canned foods and stuff like that are just way better fuel than all the dry stuff that you can the freeze dry and stuff that you can have, and. 00:44:26 Speaker 1: Then you have to provide water for the freeze dried stuff aintal good. 00:44:31 Speaker 4: Yeah, he just he carries like green beans and stuff like that, you know what I mean. So I feel like green beans don't have a lot of calories in them, but just like canned see that kind of stuff. Yeah, not like makes sense. The more we do this. 00:44:44 Speaker 3: The more I we eat about as normal as you can anything we go do, you know, And I think it makes me feel a whole lot better. 00:44:54 Speaker 4: We ate pretty good on that Mulder hunt Eric and I did in Colorado. 00:44:59 Speaker 1: A few years back. 00:45:00 Speaker 4: But we get we horse packed in so we were able to carry, you know, some stuff in. But we did eat freeze drive when we when we spiked out from there, but we killed the next day, so yeah, we didn't have to just gorge ourselves on freeze drive. 00:45:15 Speaker 5: Next question, would you have a guest on the show that hunts deer on public land in Florida. 00:45:21 Speaker 1: We would hunt. We have we have actually on the Wired to Hunt. 00:45:25 Speaker 3: That's what I was gonna say, yeah, is that we will have a guest like that. 00:45:28 Speaker 2: In fact, reach out to us everyone. We're gonna try to keep a running list. 00:45:34 Speaker 3: Maybe don't do it yet, but we'll probably have to do the ret Fresh radio again this year for Wired to Hunt. If you want to be featured on ret Fresh radio, uh around about August, send us your info. We'll give you another plug for this. Don't flood us yet, and we'll kind of keep a document going of who we can rely on to give us a report from around the country. 00:45:56 Speaker 5: Next question, the preparation that goes into a spot and stalk and stay, where do you start? 00:46:03 Speaker 3: I took out the state in here. Uh it said states like blah blah blah. Uh so don't worry about the end of states. 00:46:10 Speaker 2: So preparation that goes into spot and stalk in open country. Since it's what they were saying, Well. 00:46:21 Speaker 7: I don't know if I ever do you ever leave the house like I'm gonna go spot in stalk like when we go somewhere. 00:46:30 Speaker 3: Yeah you know, yeah, but I think they're talking about why I tell deer's kind of opportunity. 00:46:34 Speaker 1: Yeah, Base, I don't know. 00:46:37 Speaker 4: The only thing that I would do different than when I go to hunting tree is have like sticks in a platform pretty much, I think. I mean you usually maybe you don't need quite as many clothes, but you do. I mean, you're gonna need a jacket sometimes because you might have to sit there for a few hours or something. 00:46:55 Speaker 1: Optics. That would be a thing a lot differently, I guess, yeah, that's true. You would want to probably a spotter, spotter bigger binos. 00:47:05 Speaker 3: I mean, when we're in like big timber stuff, I kind of think you're right, Like eights are pretty nice on binos. But out there in that big country in the twelves where. 00:47:13 Speaker 5: It's at man, I feel like you lot a lot of times, you guys are really prepared by looking at the on X maps. Yeah, and when direction for sure y'all really worry about this stuff. 00:47:23 Speaker 4: Yeah, we do, for sure, Maybe not you, but we do, yeah, I think. But I think I don't know, like that's uh, it's not something I prepare for before I know there's a deer there, really, you know what I mean, I'm like I look at on X, I figure out where I'm going to sit and spot first. But then when I find a deer, then I have to look at on X again to figure out how I'm gonna get there and where the wind's blowing and all this and that. 00:47:50 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:47:51 Speaker 4: Uh, the question they asked is where do you start so to find Let me think about this deer to hunt, uh spot preparation. And if we're talking about preparation for spotting stock, the number one thing I. 00:48:05 Speaker 1: Would tell you to do is to practice longer shots. 00:48:09 Speaker 3: That might be a little bit taboo or whatever, but listen, a deer within twenty on the ground is almost impossible. 00:48:16 Speaker 2: Like it just does not happen. There's some people that are like, here it is. 00:48:18 Speaker 3: But I promise you, like your shots are gonna be from twenty five to fifty very very often. 00:48:25 Speaker 4: Also, it's way easier to get drawn on a deer that's forty five than fifteen, you know what I mean? 00:48:30 Speaker 1: Or twenty. 00:48:31 Speaker 4: Yeah, Like that's just if you draw on a deer that's at twenty, there's a high chance it bomps. 00:48:36 Speaker 3: So I think that practicing with your bow is be where I would start, and practice from your knees, practice sitting down and you know, maybe even do some of that. You know, I kind of laugh at it a little bit, but I know a lot of people like it. But like the train to hunt type stuff. You know, maybe get your heart rate up, run down the driveway and back and then try to shoot or something like that, you know might be or shoot the countdown or draw and then take three steps and shoot. 00:49:03 Speaker 2: Stuff like that, like real world scenario stuff. 00:49:05 Speaker 4: I would also shoot with your quiver on in a slightly windy situation, because I've come to find out that I almost don't want to shoot my quiver on anytime really, but like especially in the wind, Like I would rather just not even shoot. So just make see if that affects you and how much you you know, what your distance is on that or whatever as well. Other than that, man like, yeah, I don't know for sure what else I would do in preparation, but that's a good one. That's making sure that I can shoot a long. 00:49:37 Speaker 5: Ways hot topic coming in okase this looks for you should states give priority or more benefits to the residents pros and cons? 00:49:48 Speaker 3: So this this is super loaded because I know that a lot of people have some real high opinions of this. We kind of hunt a lot of different states, so we deal with this in a lot of different situationations and scenarios. I would tend to say personally, I think that states should give more benefits. I don't know if I want to say priority or not, but essentially, people who are dealing with wildlife impacts should be given something. 00:50:20 Speaker 1: So let me make that a little more clear. 00:50:23 Speaker 3: If you're a landowner and you're making a big field of soybeans and the deer, you're feeding some deer, or you have CRP on your ground and the deer living there, or you're doing things whatever, I think that there's a burden on you to that, and it would it shouldn't be like a shot and leg to have to have deer on your property, you know what I mean. I don't I'm by no means in favor of the redistribution of wealth, but I don't want it to be like a thing that hinders people to have to have deer. You know, I've almost seen it where people are like, I hate the deer. Let's just burn it all down and make sure no deer can live here. You know, you don't want landowners to feel that way. So my short answer is yes, but it shouldn't be unfair. 00:51:11 Speaker 1: Tyler sounds great, all right, I'm kind of disappointed case. Why all right, I know. 00:51:25 Speaker 2: What you have inside of you. 00:51:27 Speaker 1: No, that's what I really feel it is. I mean, yes, there. 00:51:31 Speaker 3: Is a situation where you say non residents per capital foot a larger portion of the bill because we pay a lot more. 00:51:41 Speaker 1: But that's more like. 00:51:42 Speaker 3: It, you know, if you talk about general numbers though, like most states, the residents do pay quite a bit of money because there's more residents than there are non resident hunters. 00:51:54 Speaker 1: So I don't know. 00:51:56 Speaker 3: In general, I don't want the federal government to determine anything about wildlife. Rather be the states than the feds, so the states determine what they want to do with it. 00:52:07 Speaker 2: All right, Next question, how mule deer? 00:52:10 Speaker 3: Oh boy, how mule deer are superior to white tail? 00:52:13 Speaker 1: About Tyler brought this up? Are mule deer superior to white tail? Let's rea? 00:52:17 Speaker 2: So this person who's wanted to they want us to talk about how mule deer are superior? 00:52:20 Speaker 1: No? 00:52:21 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, well maybe in body size that's about it, right, you think with them big old ears they could hear better, but they don't. 00:52:29 Speaker 2: You want to talk about this, will go Yeah. 00:52:32 Speaker 1: I will say. 00:52:35 Speaker 4: That white tails are superior mule deer, and this is why they out compete them. They are smarter and they're more adaptable. 00:52:53 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:52:53 Speaker 3: Name a state where they're trying to extirpate the mule deer so the white tail can do better. It didn't exist, mistake, whe they're trying to expect the white tails so the mule deer can do better, every single one that they both exist in. 00:53:05 Speaker 4: Yeah, So I this is not this is not a diss on mule deer opportunity. 00:53:11 Speaker 1: This is just me addressing this question. I think milder are awesome. 00:53:16 Speaker 4: In fact, I would love to shoot a big, big mule deer sometime. But there's just something about white tails, man, that are just cool. Everybody gets to hunt them. Everybody has a big story about a big, big one they've seen. It's just it's it's it's like, you know, I don't know, it's almost like sports, you know, like every like these just there's historic stories and situations and things, and and everybody relates to it because everybody played baseball or basketball. A lot of people right there when they were growing up or football or whatever. It's just that's what that's what whitetail feels like to me. Mule deer feels like kind of this thing that everybody kind of wishes that they could go do a couple of times because it's you know, because those not residents don't get a whole lot of favor sometimes. Yes, right, so, I, in my experience, mule deer have acted a little bit dumber than white tail. And that sounds I don't know a nice way to put a nice way to say that, really, because they're still they still you know, exercise things that make them tough to hunt. They just don't seem quiet as in tune. And maybe it's because they don't have the hunting pressure or something on them that white tails do. But yeah, that's that's my two cents on that whole thing. 00:54:35 Speaker 1: All right. 00:54:35 Speaker 5: Next question, I have found the buck, Now, how do I put myself in a. 00:54:39 Speaker 1: Position to kill it? 00:54:41 Speaker 2: Hunt the best day, in the best scenario. 00:54:44 Speaker 1: That you have. 00:54:48 Speaker 3: I think that one of the things that I have done in the past if I found a target buck is to try to jump in there too early and try to get killed. And you know, Honestly, if you don't deal with a ton of hunt PRESSU you wait till November seventh on a good golden north wind, and there's a chance you get to kill him. You know, going in there on a hope and a prayer is a good way to mess it up. 00:55:10 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:55:11 Speaker 4: I think like the year I hunted the ranch buck, I hunted him for like eighteen days almost straight. I think I missed like two days somewhere in there, probably when you went to Kansas. Yeah, probably, definitely. I guess it was one day for sure. And anyway, that year I hunted him a bunch. But I hunted I hunted pretty conservatively, so you know, I wanted whatever The reason I jumped around was because of the wind anytime the wind would change, you know, or if I'd learned something about what he was doing. But I I hunted pretty conservatively, and in the end I got to see him several times and almost kill him a couple times, and then finally I got him on the thirtieth of November. But the reason I was I was conservative. But I also there was a few times, I mean every time I was I went in there like there was something I was probably going to give up. It just wasn't a high chance he was going to do that, but I was. I was willing to do that because the first day I saw him was November twelve, So we're talking about pretty much after that. You know, the rut is gonna only cool off, you know, from about I don't know, the twentieth on especially, So you know, I was trying to I had to be a little bit aggressive, but I was. I was conservative because I didn't have a ton of hunting pressure around me. So it just it just depends on that, you know, how much hunt pressure you got around you. It's good to know what your neighbors are doing or what they what you you know, what they like to do or whatever, if that's hunting or whatever it might be. So yeah, you pretty much said though, just find a good date and hunt good wins and if you if you have to be more aggressive, then just get up in there on a good date and on a good you know, time of year. 00:56:55 Speaker 6: Yeah. 00:57:18 Speaker 5: So these are questions in response to an Instagram post. Yeah, we're talking about the hardest What is the hardest part? Yeah, right, Okay, so next question or statement is going to be finding the time to hunt while juggling the family schedule. 00:57:34 Speaker 3: I think that that's a difficult thing for a lot of folks. 00:57:37 Speaker 1: It's pretty relatable for a lot of people. 00:57:42 Speaker 3: I think that if you say family, I think you're implying that possibly you're married and maybe you have kids. I think that you should have a serious talk with your spouse a long way from hunting season and let them know, like, hey, this really means a lot to me, and you need to have realistic expectations to not, Hey, I'm gonna be gone for the whole month of November, but like, hey, I would really love November three through the tenth to be able to take this trip. Is there a way that we can work together to make that happen. And you know, I understand everyone's situation is different at home, but if you have a spouse who cares about you and you present it that way, there's a chance that y'all can find some way to make it work. So I think that being upfront and honest and not asking for too much and not you know, not putting a burden on the other person or not putting a ridiculous burden is probably a good way to do it. You know, Hey, here's let's set out a list of goals, things that you want to accomplish, that you want done around the house. That way, this is easy for you. Hey, I got the kids. You're going to stay at my mom's place on the weekend. That way, you'll have a little bit of break, you know what. Ever, you know, I think, but I just think that good communication solves a ton of issues, and good communication in this situation help a lot. 00:59:08 Speaker 1: Tyler says, he's that he's good with that one. All right, all right? 00:59:12 Speaker 5: The next statement, So the hardest part is the mental struggles. 00:59:19 Speaker 1: I'm guessing, like not seeing the action you want. 00:59:23 Speaker 3: I think that this is more like getting down. Maybe that is not seeing the action. Maybe that's what you mean by that. I think that maybe you're a better person to answer this than me. I'm not saying that, but in the moment, yes, Tyler does what were we doing just the other day? 00:59:40 Speaker 2: It's just turkey hunting. It's a video that's out on our channel. 00:59:44 Speaker 3: Tyler's Tyler's I'm not trying to be me too, but he's bally aching and there's literally a turkey like sixty yards Like, oh, I'm never gonna kill one, but. 00:59:53 Speaker 1: I'm the guy who because I made a mistake. That's why. 00:59:56 Speaker 4: It's because I didn't really I don't do what I should have, don you know what I mean? And that's that's what really was burning me up. 01:00:03 Speaker 3: Yeah, I let me just say that I also struggle mentally, but it's after the hunt, like I get real depressed and things don't go my way. But in the moment, I'm just like, what's the next thing. Tyler kind of approaches things a little differently. 01:00:15 Speaker 4: Yeah, I like I tend to really like struggle through for sometimes a couple of hours, like dealing with the fact that I made a dumb decision or something, and then I get over it and I'm like whatever, I'm fine, you know what I mean, Like next thing, but it's not immediate for me. But I mean, like I would say, the mental struggle stuff you have to know like are you a KC or are you a Tyler? 01:00:38 Speaker 1: Probably, and. 01:00:42 Speaker 4: At the end of the day, it doesn't really even matter if you are one or the other, but that you can be optimistic in some fashion and just understand that like I don't know this this stuff, man, I don't know. I don't know A nice way to put this. I'm just gonna shoot straight. 01:00:59 Speaker 1: Here. 01:01:01 Speaker 4: We are living in America in twenty twenty four, and we're hunting white tailed deer, Like it could get way worse, you know what I mean, It is way worse for millions and millions of people, billions of people probably, right. So I mean, just trying to keep that in perspective and be thankful for what we get to do. Don't be sad or depressed because deer aren't doing, you know, things that are what you think they might do or whatever. Be mad that you're an idiot, you know what I mean. That's what I do to myself. I'm like, why was I an idiot? 01:01:39 Speaker 1: Do it? 01:01:40 Speaker 4: What did I what was I thinking? That's what kind of it's my It's not to say because he's mad, you know, but that's what it really is. It's like it's it's if you if you're struggling, it's because you either haven't figured the deer out yet, or you maybe not even you're a new hunter or whatever. But like it's not the deer's fault, you know what I mean, It's it's your fault. So be mad at yourself. Don't be sad and depressed and miserable about what's going on. You'll figure something out. That's what case you would do, So figure out how to do it. And I get again, I'm not trying to be mean by saying that. That's just me not knowing how to just do anything. But just shoot you straight here and say, man, I understand it means a lot to us. I promise you it means a lot to me. But we got to try to put stuff in perspective sometimes and just you know, be glad that we get to hunt. 01:02:32 Speaker 3: The next statement was the hardest part is the money it costs, even how much gas it is to go scout. Well, brother, I got news for you. Don't do that, un scout. 01:02:47 Speaker 1: Don't scout. 01:02:48 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, we do spend a lot of time on on X scout. It's a lot cheaper than someone. 01:02:53 Speaker 3: I say that kind of tongue in sheet because you and I have spent our fair tears, fair tear, fair share of time in the wood scouting in non dear SA by. 01:03:02 Speaker 1: The way, extremely poor. 01:03:04 Speaker 4: Yeah, like I'm not kidding, Like we've been very poor while finding ways to split gas and go somewhere just scouting. 01:03:11 Speaker 1: So I've done it. 01:03:14 Speaker 3: But if you want to take out something that costs you money, take the scouting out and maybe add one day on to your trip when you do go or whatever and just do some infield scouting or whatever. You know, like that, that's that might be an easy spot to start. The other thing is, you know, go to a cheaper state if you're talking about at of state, you know, or hunt your home state, you know, like here in Texas. I realize that we have some great privileges, and one of those being that our state's ginormous. 01:03:48 Speaker 1: We can go hunt like. 01:03:49 Speaker 3: Whitetail in five different ecoregions, you know, and there's actually a crack on it. But in one of those reasons, there's a bunch of public land. It's just not really something I want to go hunt. So you know, there's that. I just think that if you want to do the suture straight thing like Tyler was talking about in the grand Scheme of everything, hunting doesn't. 01:04:14 Speaker 1: Cost a whole lot. I mean, dude, you can make it fairly affordable. Absolutely you can. 01:04:20 Speaker 3: It costs a bunch of money to dip snuff. It cost a bunch of money to drink energy drinks. I got this morning. I was real tired, I stopped and got to Celsius. It's three bucks three twenty five. You do that four times a week. Brother, that's a lot of money. You do that fifty weeks a year. You're talking about adding up some money, and so like, just. 01:04:37 Speaker 1: Don't do that. 01:04:38 Speaker 3: You know, a cop Brood coffee at home is twenty five cents a cup, maybe less. You know, it's nothing. So like, find some ways to save money. And this kind of goes back to that communication thing. If you're in a family, like, it doesn't do a lot of good for you to save money if it gets absorbed somewhere else. 01:04:55 Speaker 1: So maybe having a hunting. 01:04:56 Speaker 3: Fund that you can contribute to in some way shape for more fashion, that way that that money is designated and you know it's there. And as opposed to get into November third and we're like, crap, man, I only have like three hundred and twenty dollars in my bank account. 01:05:08 Speaker 2: Two hundred fifty that's going to go to a tag. 01:05:09 Speaker 1: How do I do this? 01:05:10 Speaker 4: You know, man, we get it, we get it. We've been there if you want to know. This is just a little little insight for you. But you know, we started our YouTube channel before a brand called The Hunting Public started their YouTube channel. But if you want to know, one big thing that we struggled with at the beginning that they didn't was we live in Easton, Texas, where there aren't very big deer, and so we had to travel. Well, we were broke, so we couldn't go traveling the other places that had lots of big deer. And that's just the way. I'm not saying this in sy's sort of a bitter fashion. In fact, we know several of those guys over there and they're just fine. We like them, they're friends. But I'm just saying that it was a struggle for us for years too. Once you know what we relate. We're not trying to be We're not trying to not have a heart when we say this, but you really do have to just figure out how to allocate as much as you can and then you just got to work within that and hopefully next year you get a raise, or hopefully you work into a better job or whatever that is. 01:06:16 Speaker 3: You know, this is a long road to hope, Okay, But starts you a YouTube channel, starts you a podcast, and get you a couple of people that you can hang out with that can mutually benefit you in this stuff. It's what we did and that's why Brian's here. Yeah, it's what Brian's here, so we can pay for his four four five and so. But I mean, really, you look back at some of our early partners. They weren't paying us very much money at all. But it literally was just financing what we wanted to do. Yeah, and that was go hunting. When you can say to your wife, hey, we made you know, we made this money doing this, then it's easier to spend five hundred bucks from that somebody gave you for advertising, then you know. So there's ways to do it, guys. 01:06:59 Speaker 4: And I would I would really go back to like, I'll be honest here, everybody's got something. But if you drink, or you smoke, or you dip, then you can't complaint. Brother, don'gle blean. 01:07:11 Speaker 2: Yeah, are you snooze or whatever you call it dipping? 01:07:15 Speaker 1: When you snooze. 01:07:17 Speaker 3: When I'm asleep, I try not to have one in. 01:07:21 Speaker 1: What when you snooze? Snooze? Snoozing? Stop casey? All right? 01:07:27 Speaker 3: The next question is the hardest part is sitting still in a tree the as This is absolute hardest part. 01:07:34 Speaker 1: Yeah, Brian, you stanch this, guys. 01:07:37 Speaker 2: I'm good at this. 01:07:39 Speaker 5: Here's my thoughts on it. The first two hours of daylight and the last two hours. 01:07:44 Speaker 1: Of darker when the deer moving. Seven thirty am. 01:07:48 Speaker 3: Is that what it is? Because usually you're on camera about seven thirty seven. No, stop, that was once. That's when the deer moving. I feel like sitting four or five six hours is pointless. Maybe a couple of days through through the peak of the rut. You know, I might set a little longer if I have a deer patterned showing up every day at seven thirty. He's not there at seven thirty seven. You know, I'm probably going to get down. 01:08:11 Speaker 1: And do something different. 01:08:13 Speaker 2: You know, it could be difficult. 01:08:15 Speaker 1: Man. 01:08:15 Speaker 3: Some things that I've you know I try to do is I try to occupy my time, probably on my phone or something when I do or you know, playing a game, reading stuff like. 01:08:28 Speaker 1: That helps me set a little longer. 01:08:30 Speaker 3: But you know, all in all, we're setting out and outdoors enjoin it. So if you want to get down at seven thirty seven, just do it. That's right, man, I'm with you on it. 01:08:38 Speaker 1: I think that. 01:08:39 Speaker 3: I mean, there's some level of like a struggle you need to put yourself through sometimes to make things happen. But we are trying to have fun, right, And if you're not having fun, then maybe think about something different. Being comfortable matters, being warm, matters, being not hungry matters. And one thing that I've been thinking about and maybe this is the time to mention it. I think Tyler may actually be like the brainchild behind this. But ping out of the tree when you have a chance, as opposed to ping when you need to is. 01:09:13 Speaker 1: A big deal. 01:09:14 Speaker 2: And I just kind of realized this lately. 01:09:16 Speaker 3: Okay, Like if you have a deer or turkey come in, you can't go, so you better get it done when you need when you can. 01:09:25 Speaker 2: You know, it's a it's a thing. 01:09:26 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:09:27 Speaker 4: Also, putting your jacket on before you before you get cold, because in the evenings, because without time, about time you get cold is. 01:09:35 Speaker 1: When that deer comes in. 01:09:36 Speaker 4: Usually, so yeah, I usually as soon as I stop sweating, put that jacket on. 01:09:42 Speaker 3: Next question is about the grind, which I think the mental thing we talked about earlier probably kind of describes pretty good. 01:09:48 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:09:49 Speaker 3: The next one, they. 01:09:50 Speaker 4: Man just know that they can happen on November thirtieth, or like I said, you, I killed this. I killed a deer on a scrape on like December twenty eighth, one year. 01:09:59 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. So just know that things can happen. 01:10:02 Speaker 4: And like my good friend Anthony Warren likes to say, you know, if you want well, actually you say this, he says a different, very similar quote. But if you want amazing to happen, you got to give it a chance. That's so, that's right. Pray about it, man, if it's the grind, pray about it. Yeah, and you'll feel better. You will, Brian. 01:10:21 Speaker 5: This is the next hardest part is getting corn from over there and bringing it over here. 01:10:27 Speaker 2: You just a better hunty estate. 01:10:30 Speaker 1: That's right. Fifty pounds, you know, dude. 01:10:33 Speaker 3: We've had some death hikes before with ye one hundred pounds of corn on our back. 01:10:37 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not fun. 01:10:38 Speaker 4: Last last year setting up a new place in Kansas, that was not fun. 01:10:45 Speaker 5: Next question is hunting with a long bow and need to get it, need to get in within twenty I did it last year, but one shifted and Buck said, see you. 01:10:56 Speaker 1: Man, m M. The longbow just isn't a good idea. 01:11:02 Speaker 3: It's Brian says long Gun. I know who said this, and I know he just kind of has a passion for it. But that's just a mean you're gonna have to be have you with deer encounters and not deer keels. If you're gonna hunt with the longbow, you know, I mean, some guys kill a bunch of your you know whatever. 01:11:18 Speaker 4: But in general, I would just I would say, also, just set up set up in the landmark tree. If you want a deer to come within twenty yards, you set up in the landmark tree, the tree that's out in the middle that they come to, and shoot them in the chest at eight yards or whatever. 01:11:36 Speaker 5: Next, the hardest part is surrounding property management. Poachers, low fences and low population sounds bad. Yeah, especially Honist Country, Texas. 01:11:47 Speaker 3: Find property man, it might be the thing to do. I mean, uh, you know, cap nails might help you with your poachers. 01:12:00 Speaker 1: Money would help you with your low fences. You can build a fence. 01:12:04 Speaker 4: And uh, low population when you have a high fencing, more deer an that's it. 01:12:09 Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I mean it sounds like you have been dealt to a difficult hand there, and you can maybe take some steps to change some of those things. 01:12:18 Speaker 1: Yeah, don't. 01:12:18 Speaker 4: I don't have a whole lot of help for you here. Unfortunately, Maybe make your place bad to the bone. You know, surrounding property seems to be the problem. 01:12:26 Speaker 3: Right, So I mean, first of all, out of corn feeder if you don't have one, and just do everything you can to make your place awesome. 01:12:33 Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say, if you have, if you have tillable, make it into batting that way when deer, when deer, daylight movement, moving, they're on your property. 01:12:46 Speaker 3: The next question, the hardest part is a seven month off season. 01:12:53 Speaker 4: Yeah, fish, that's exactly right. Become a fisher in hunt turkeys. 01:12:57 Speaker 1: I was thrown up. 01:12:58 Speaker 3: Do something to keep your mind off of it until it's time to get it, to own it, and then be ready to. 01:13:03 Speaker 1: Rock and around. 01:13:03 Speaker 4: Listen people from Ohio to understand. But if you're if you you can fish in the same way that weed deer hunt. Yeah, like you can put a lot of tactic into it. Uh huh. So it can be what you make it. I heard somebody say, oh, why you like golfing? Golf's just taking a tiny ball and hitting in a hole. It's like, man, if you can make it that for sure, everybody can make everything to just be simple, but you know it ain't like that if you don't want it to be that way. So it could be fishing or golfing or whatever. Just if you want it to be entertaining to your mind and make it complicated, you know what I mean, start picking a low long bow. 01:13:49 Speaker 3: Next, the hardest part. 01:13:51 Speaker 5: I feel like it's finding a buck and a combination of finding. 01:13:54 Speaker 1: The right tree. Man. Uh. 01:13:58 Speaker 3: I would say the best way to answer this is to go to our YouTube channel and there's a playlist that may be there anymore. 01:14:05 Speaker 2: I don't know if it is or not, but it's how to Hunt. 01:14:07 Speaker 1: Your more Effectively? Is that still there, tyler? I think so. 01:14:10 Speaker 3: If not, we have a whole series called the Map Scout Challenge that'll help you find the bucks and then finding the right tree. You can look at some of our hunt set up stuff I have. I had a hunt from a sad old video that I'll help you with that and stuff like that. 01:14:24 Speaker 4: And the publicly in hotspots how to Hunt your more Effectively. Yeah, it's got seventy four videos in it. The next bunch of Harder Scout Challenge, all kinds of stuff, dude. 01:14:36 Speaker 5: Hardest part is entering and exiting a setup without blowing it out. 01:14:41 Speaker 1: It's hard. Yeah. 01:14:44 Speaker 4: I mean you're either going to get north winds on cold front days or south winds may depending on where you are, but more than likely south winds on regular days. So you know, keep that in mind. You know you're in the field is a hard too. 01:15:01 Speaker 3: You know a lot of times, like you go into a place just on deer out in the field, but then you kind of get get out of the field and uh you taught me this, But you can pull in there with a truck and pick up your buddy and it's way. 01:15:10 Speaker 1: Better than a sasquatch. Yeah, yeah, I taught you that. 01:15:16 Speaker 4: No, I'm fourteen in this video and how to effectively you know, I was that young when I started this. 01:15:28 Speaker 5: This next one the hardest part. I have rubs and good tree stands near. Other than setting up down when what else can I do? 01:15:41 Speaker 3: Uh? 01:15:42 Speaker 1: So go ahead? 01:15:44 Speaker 4: Well what. 01:15:47 Speaker 1: Hard to read? No? 01:15:48 Speaker 4: No, I would say those are two things that I don't really those are like kind of low on my priority list when I go to find a place to hunt. So like, here's something that you can do that can negatively affect you I think, and it's finding a tree that's great for a tree stand, and we jack around all the time about it. We say it a lot, that's a good stand tree right there. You know, it's it's fun to think about, right and then in some situations you know it is it actually is. But don't go and thinking that's a good place to put my stand. You need to find where the deer is going to be standing, and then find whatever tree you can kill him from before he gets your wind or without him getting your wind. And that's the main thing. So rubs aren't necessarily like something I consider a lot, even though we've been paying a little more attention to him and trying to learn from the last few years. And the stand tree isn't either. So I guess what I would say is find that deer and then find a way to get into a tree whatever, whatever it takes, the tree that you can kill him from, or on the ground. 01:17:05 Speaker 1: Or on the ground. Yeah, but where you can kill him. 01:17:08 Speaker 4: And so I would say, yes, you want to set up down wind, but if you've got rubs, it could be a rub line, and maybe yes, but I want to I want to see in a rub line. I would like to see a trail. I wouldn't like to just see like a general direction of rubs as much. It wouldn't give me as much confidence. But I think putting multiple things together on the map and not just rubs. It needs to be some scrapes or you know, an idea of bed to food travel patterns in what direction that is, will really help you in this situation. Then you'll know where that deer is coming from. And then also maybe even look at the rubs. Okay, well, if he's you know, if he's coming out in the evenings and rubbing these trees before it gets the edge of the field, then it would be on this side, on the on the brush side, So anyway, that's that's what I would think. And then setting up down wind obviously where you think he's going to be, so without blowing wind into where he currently is too. 01:18:04 Speaker 5: So all right, Next, the hardest part is getting permission to hunt the land. 01:18:11 Speaker 2: Money talks. 01:18:15 Speaker 3: I mean there, it's just one of the heartbreaks we deal with as a white taiwner as you drive around see a big giant buck and then having the courage to knock on the door and then get told no, it's just it's just hard. Offering money is always good, uh, Offering service could help not always as effective. And then pleading your case bring a kid, I don't know, stuff like that. 01:18:41 Speaker 2: It's just you're just gonna get told no a Lotah. At least where we live, you're don't get told. 01:18:45 Speaker 1: To know a whole I think not being afraid to be told no boy heartbreaking. 01:18:51 Speaker 3: There are places where Tyler and I have hunted, where we like purposely have never called because we don't want to deal with the heartbreak of being told no. 01:18:58 Speaker 4: Yeah, which is you're it's dumb, you're not hunting it. Yeah anyway, right, so, but yes, that's the way we are. I'd say, just be be cordial and be up front very quickly, because you can really get to sound like a vacuum salesman if you don't, and people will just automatically know. We'll be the first thing in their mind before they even hear you ask a question because they know you're about to sell them a vacuum and then oh, what what are you talking about deer hunting? 01:19:24 Speaker 1: No, No, we're not doing that, you know what I mean. 01:19:26 Speaker 4: So just go ahead and just be like, hey, my name's so and so, and I saw a buck out there in your past year. I was wondering if I might could bow hunt it. If you're a bow hunter, that's that kind of helps you sometimes. But sometimes we found where people don't want bow. 01:19:41 Speaker 1: Hunters for whatever. I could not figure out why their. 01:19:44 Speaker 2: Wounders or that they're irresponsible or something. 01:19:47 Speaker 4: Yeah, but anyway, Yeah, that's uh, that's kind of my thoughts on that. Just be very quick and to the point, because people are going to wonder why you're staying there. 01:19:58 Speaker 1: It's at their door. 01:19:59 Speaker 3: Also, gaming numbers, you know, if you ask thirty people, you'll get a permission. 01:20:03 Speaker 1: And if you can get a reference, that could be good too. 01:20:06 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so and so up road even you know, like I said, my mind should come down and talk to them, and you don't know so and so very well, so you can throw them under the bus, you. 01:20:13 Speaker 2: Like, Yeah, Johnny said, I should come talk to you. 01:20:16 Speaker 1: Oh really yep, all right. 01:20:19 Speaker 5: The next question my problem tends to be is the amount of sign I'm seeing enough to be setting up on. 01:20:27 Speaker 3: I think in general from these questions, people look at sign a whole lot more than I do, or at least the way the way it harder, and I wonder if it's a private land thing somewhat too. I feel like it's a beginning thing. Well, if you're limited to eighty acres, you only can go off of what's on your eighty acres, you know, and so like, well the signs over there, that's where the deer are, and that very well might be the case. But I mean, I think that good sign is good. But just you have some reason to be confident about spot. I mean, there might not be a licked deer sign right there, but. 01:21:05 Speaker 1: You know that. 01:21:07 Speaker 3: You know, last week a tree fall on the fence and so now that fence is down and it's a better place to hunt than it used to be or something like that. 01:21:12 Speaker 2: You know, who knows what it is, right, but. 01:21:13 Speaker 3: Just you need to have something that gives you the confidence that there's deer there, and maybe more hunting will do that for you. 01:21:20 Speaker 1: More observation sets will do that for you. 01:21:23 Speaker 3: By no means like observation sets personally, but you know, it's a thing that can help people. 01:21:29 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I know. 01:21:30 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think I I'm just always looking at aerials. I just feel like you get a better idea of how deer are generally moving on a property looking at the aerial and then yeah, you can use sign to kind of everything just bolsters what your idea is or should So you get an idea off the map, then you go in and you should have not just one thing from the map, but two or three things that all you think, this is where a deer is going to be. And then you go in there and suddenly they're signed there and it's pretty good and it's relative to the other sign in the area on your property or whatever. It's it's really good, right, Okay, then yeah, that's the spot we should be you know what is It's all the question should always be why why is it deer there? 01:22:19 Speaker 1: What is it doing? You know what I mean? 01:22:21 Speaker 4: So continue to always try to understand what the deer is going to be doing when you're trying to kill it, and when it's coming through there? So is that day? Is that day or night? Is it morning or evening? And which direction is it going or coming from? 01:22:37 Speaker 3: Next question is the hardest part is the wolves. 01:22:41 Speaker 1: Man. 01:22:44 Speaker 3: That's a tough one because I don't know many states that you can just do a whole lot about it, And there's some states. 01:22:50 Speaker 1: That you can kill a wolf if you have a tag. 01:22:55 Speaker 3: But you know, if you want the actual answer, there are some dare I say, authorities who have permission to have harvest, or have input or have involvement with the wolves. So if they are a serious issue, reach out to the people who can mess with the wolves, whether that is USDA, your state department, something. Express your opinions because you know this is going to sound real hypocritical. Well, gripping about it in a podcast isn't gonna get a lot done. You know, like you got to talk to somebody who has some pull somewhere. And then if wolves are an issue, like specifically for your deer hunting, Tyler had a great idea one time about at least coyotes and hogs. You were gonna goat wire a property like eighty acres and put goat wire all the way around the outside edge so that the deer kind of have a haven from hogs and potentially coyotes here. 01:23:46 Speaker 6: That. 01:23:47 Speaker 3: Yeah, so maybe there's something you can do there, some preventative measures, some husbandry some might call it, or you can do some things for your deer herd that helps them maybe deal with wolves. 01:24:00 Speaker 1: I don't know, and then. 01:24:02 Speaker 3: All the other questions are about time they are right next year, which we've covered that quite a bit. That's I mean, scheduling, communication, All those things come into play, making it known what's important to you in life and working together, maybe even telling your significant other, Hey, I could possibly be successful, and then we would have meat to eat, and we would have to buy meat, which right now I think ground Hamburger meats like six ye a pounds or something ridiculous, right, so it's it's pretty. 01:24:34 Speaker 4: Expensive, and currently you and I just keep eating it every night out of our freezers and they stay completely full. 01:24:40 Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on. 01:24:42 Speaker 3: We had this conversation yesterday, but it's like we keep eating meat and our freezers have the same amount of food in it. There's no way I eat everything before deer season. Yeah, but a lot of that will eat during season. Yeah, between our group. 01:24:57 Speaker 1: Yeah. So I guess there's that happening. 01:25:00 Speaker 3: Cook off at church or something, you know, Yeah, we should an element chili contest. 01:25:04 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's getting kind of warm for the Northerners to do that. 01:25:09 Speaker 3: I think, Yeah, Michael is gonna be save. It doesn't taste like can chili that's you know, that's all Skyline is Wolf brand. Right, they've opened the. 01:25:27 Speaker 1: Guys. 01:25:27 Speaker 2: Thank you for listening, Brian, great job on the scene. 01:25:31 Speaker 1: Thank you. 01:25:31 Speaker 2: We'll definitely do some more of this. 01:25:32 Speaker 3: I know everybody's kind of hopped up about white Tail, and we have some white Tail video contents, some some of the stuff that might answer some of these questions that will be coming out pretty soon. But the next thing to come out on the Element channel will be Greg a Florida fishing video. I needed to nod, but they've got a nod from Greg that might even come out, uh this week maybe tomorrow. Huh, So be looking for that really really cool. Yeah, Brian, what a great time, real quick. So we didn't do any of that, that's a that's a hard question. 01:26:09 Speaker 2: I would have to say. 01:26:10 Speaker 5: Get in the water between the spear fish and lost or Diamond was probably my favorite part. Yeah, good, that's just something I don't want to get to see. 01:26:17 Speaker 1: Pretty cool. Michael's kinda kind. 01:26:22 Speaker 5: Of thought that was it. 01:26:23 Speaker 3: Yeah, the wide almost got I thought that bull shark did have got me. 01:26:29 Speaker 1: I'm glad he didn't ride me too. 01:26:31 Speaker 4: Man. 01:26:31 Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys remember to look at for sharks. And remember this is your element.

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