00:00:00 Speaker 1: Hey, I'm David and I'm Michael, and you're listening to the Element podcast. Well, as you guys probably know, we are not David or Michael. Those names get thrown around a lot around the Element headquarters here because some people can't keep things straight. But one thing that is straight is that our boy Michael just showed up today. Facts straight as me too. Michael is here as an intern. We'll have him on at some point in time. Possibly may be excited to film stuff for the fall falls getting rolling. Man, Like, hunting season is about here, Like somewhere in the continental US people can hunt stuff. Like in August, it's Alaska, Nevada, Nevada. Maybe even Tess see you sometime, who knows, right, But like, dude, it's like finally over, Like the duldrums of summer are coming to a close for those who would attempt some Western hunting. Especially Yeah, for those who might be just kind of white tail guy, that's still duldrum. There's at least wait till things to do. It's exciting. Yeah, that is true, you know, like there's there's there's things out there to be done for white tails. Besides like just sit around. They got stuff on their heads, you know what I mean? And uh, you know you don't want to be that guy who is trying to scramble around once like is time to hunt, trying to get your stuff together. You to make sure you got all your gear inline. That's a great thing to do this time of year. So, um, this is this kind of sells itself right like you need good gear and you need it, that's when it's not expensive. And right now is the First Light season opener sale. And straight up, if you want to get some pretty decent camo, like full percent off, it's the way to do it. Otherwise you're gonna be paying full price later on and be crying. So, uh, go out there and get you some pretty decent stuff at a decent price. Yeah, we've got the link in the description. Uh so just if you scroll down, you can click on that. And why you're listening to this podcast, you can also be perusing the First Light website for the discounts and deals that they've got on some of the stuff that they they've got the Catalyst. Catalyst stuff is on sale, like some good white tail type stuff. Their white tail pattern is a spector pattern. Uh, but it looks pretty good. Dude about near anything. I'll wear it a lot this year. Yeah, you're gonna be dressed inspector. Yeah, yeah, for sure. I will have gadgets as well. We actually ordered some first Light stuff this week and we were having to, uh, you know, determine what pattern it would be in, and commonly we would say what pattern you want that in and we could say inspectator and Tyler and I would laugh every time. So it works pretty good. That link is in the description below. Hit that thing, go get you some first Light. So today we are doing some of the talk about that prep work, that walking out walk and doing that talk what do um. We're actually gonna talk about some trail camera stuff, specifically some some cell camera stuff. Later on the podcast, we're gonna have Mark Olisson who's with Multrie Mobile and he like he gets the camera thing from a um, how would you say? It's a manufacturer standpoint right, Like he works from Moultrie, but he runs them like Multrie Mobile, even though like that name seems like a big company, like they kind of like mom and pop when it comes to the way they do this stuff. Like Mark will be taking sales calls and like troubleshooting and stuff, you know, And that's the thing that's one of the things that I do like and appreciate about him. It's like there's there uh customer services top notch. So so within that, like Mark knows about and hear everything about these cameras, knows more than we do. So he's going to talk some about like using cell cameras specifically, not like how to kill a deer with him, but inadvertently, yes, like how to use the cell camera. And this applies to all cell cameras, not just Moultries, but we use multries and we like him a whole lot, and so we're gonna talk about that. But it works for all cameras, right, Like there's certain settings and different things. But Markel tell us all about that. But before that, we're actually gonna talk more about the hunting stuff because we're trying to kill deer and a lot of us right now are what it doesn't kill like the bird we call them killed. I don't how do you reckon it came to be? I don't know. I thought something the first time I ever sought written, I was like, hold up right, yeah, somebody added are on accident? Yeah, And now I'm in just like conundrum of do I call it a kill deer and be right or a killed d and be local. I mean, you don't say everything right anyway, so don't I mean, might as well just call it kill. Have to be a chameleon, dude, that's the deal. If I'm around people like who are birders? I call it a kildee. Well I'm gonna get the stink guy. Yeah. I mean it's like, you know, I call this always call them sick of deer growing up. Some people now i'd call him seca because you know, it's been popular because Steve said it. But it's a sick of um or pika is how when I did game capture stuff, Uh, pika deer, that is what we said, No, not until some guy from Michigan decided that's what they said. That's right. Um. But yeah, man, there's different things. Can people make things difficult? So that gum it. You know, like everybody knows what an acorn is. I'm sorry if you say acorn um, But did you know that pecan is technically the actual right way to say the word, not pecan? You know how you know that because people say it pecan the Indian word that it comes from has the sound puck con in it, so that's how it was pronounced pu con. So that's why, Uh, we actually know the answer to that. So take that you proper people. We get pinkies out these people in America for any that's right, that's right when you get colonial lists or something. Come on. But well, you're gonna probably not hanging trut cameras on any any countries because uh ain't knowing where I hunt. But we are going to talk quite a bit about how to hang trail cameras this time of year and kind of that early season type stuff trying to kill deer. Right, we'll talk about the settings and stuff later. Marks will help us to that, but we're trying to get after bucks specifically, and who knows, maybe you actually are trying to get after dose early season and kind of get those dough quotas field or get some some meat some dote as ready. Uh, but you know, maybe you're running low on meat and it's time to make sure it's the ground. And that's fine too, But Tyler, what is the first thing? Like, it's trail camera season right now, right TC s z N. But it's funny we're talking about that, But like this time of year is what we have learned, Like mid August is probably about as early as it really benefits, especially for a public land hunter to get out and put out truick cameras. You know, private land it's a little different if you can manage and keep deer on your property this and that, but like still like bucks move around and stuff. Right, So, say it's mid August and you're wanting to put out a trail camera. What's the first thing that you think about, like as far as the location for that or where you want to hang a camera, And there's uh, there's some different directions. I could personally go real quick, but um, but I would say for me, and this may not be gray a great answer that you wanted, But the first thing I think about in our neck of the woods, sure, because it's different, but this is the first thing I think about because I'm used to being around here this time of year, right, Um is um like thickets. You know When I say that, usually that's like, uh, an area that has shade but also has honeysuckle or sumac or something like that, and the ticket and brush or two things that like is more of a southern type thing to talk about, you know, like, uh, those things kind of go hand in hand. But yeah, like, and what do you mean by a thicket? Why are you why are you thinking about that for truck cameras. I'm thinking about betting because I don't feel like, at least in Arnic, the woods like I said that, uh, deer are moving too far from bedding in most days. Um. And so I think that if you want to, um, you know, locate, there's a couple of things you can locate, and that will be either you know, pigs, uh bucks or does in most cases in those thick areas, and those are potential big game targets I guess, um, which pigs aren't considered game here anyway. So um, but if you find bucks, um, I don't think you're just I don't think you should get too hype about it. Um. If you find those, um, I think you find what if you find those das with no antlers on their heads? Uh? If you find that, if you find that you're in dough betting AA dough betting area and there's no bucks around, don't be discouraged because I think that what you can end up with is a betting area that um will stay pretty consistent even into November and could potentially produce a good place to hunt a buck, especially if you know you got the right winds in that area or you've got a full proof entry or whatever. So, So that's the around here. Now. What when you say when you say that, you're implying that you can think about not around here too. So how's that change anywhere here? Popular? Anywhere here? I want to go hunt deer? Uh? So uh when you are thinking about that, what changes whenever you're thinking about going elsewhere? Yeah? So a lot of the country. Um, and this is another another question depends on where you're going. But um, if there's agman, that's where I'm That is what I'm typically thinking as like, find a place that dear wolf destined in the evenings, destinate in the evenings and uh and start a camera there? Would you hang? Would you do that on beans even though the beans are gonna run out? Yeah? I think this time of year, I think I would. I don't know, I don't know a ton about this. We don't live in Beans country, but I've I've hunted it the last several years or a few years, and uh, in being country, and from what I pick up is this is hard info to come by because it typically, you know what, farmers don't give us much information about how things work. They are the guys who are just like it just does it because it does. Yeah. Yeah, I don't want to get too political here if they do that, because they don't really need to, you know what I mean, it works, that's great. They make money. If it doesn't, they still make money. I don't know, that's a good question me. I think that there could be some of that, but so as to not offend every farmer, I don't make every guy that way. But I think that a lot of farmers, especially the older guys, just have plowed the same row for do the same stuff, and they don't have to like be too like um cutting edge. Like there's just a way to grow beans, there's a way to grow corn, way to grow mellow right, and it's just what you do like they. I think that that is a big thing. A lot of times it's like, well of it. Never actually had to describe this to I ain't worried about you, stupid white tail hunter. Just get out of here, you know, I feel like what you end up with is sometimes you get a deer hunter that also is a farmer, and then they still can't tell you a whole lot. Um. But there's not great information about like the preference of beans throughout all the stages of its life during deer season, the beans life that is. But what I understand, and I've heard several people say this is like beans are a destination food source pretty much year round, um, from the time they start growing to the time they are laying dead on the ground for a month or whatever. Um. There's just I guess different things that are eaten in that process somewhat um. And then I think also there's like one there is like one time that beans are not very good. I guess from what I understand, it's when they're yellow. But at the same time that whole field typically isn't yellow because there are low spots in the field that whole water and stuff like that, and the plant just does doesn't die until later because it's such a healthy plant or whatever. So it's like any particular field could produce deer forage all year and so but I think I would focus on beans. Um. I think corn is difficult, especially when we're talking about trail cameras, which is what we're doing today. I have a better grasp of beans that I do corn. As far as deer usage, I mean, stuff is also regional, you know, because like I don't know, if you're in a pretty lush part of the country, do you might only use the corn in the fall. If you're in a spot where it's pivot corn, that's the only food around, and they're going to figure out a way to eat a corn stalk if they have to, you know. So it's like very it's very It's true. It's true. I think what you can one thing you can rely on, whether it's corn or beans, is that if you find entry trails into that field, to say, if you're hunting public or you have a like you have access to the woods right there and you can see the trails. I think that's the that's the kickers, like, find the best trail coming into that thing, which is usually in the back most remote corner or whatever. If you've got ten ft corn, it doesn't matter as much for that time of year. It will whenever that they cut it and it's the rud or whatever. But anyway, that's that's where you would I think focus and and so in the end, like it probably doesn't matter a whole lot corner beans as long as there is a food source there, uh that has tended to well and then has been produces food for them. I'll go ahead and say, um, I like to do the least common in the nominator system on this stuff. And it doesn't always work. But I'm a big fan of alfalfa because, in my opinion, it's the easiest to figure out because it's always good and there's not a lot of math to it. It's good until it's dead, when it dies like really cold. So as long as it's got enough water to grow, it's probably my the easiest for me to hunt. I know it works, I feel like in I feel like that out of if you were to take and plant and plant some corn and some beans and some mouth outfit together, I do actually feel like the beans would be the most preferential. Probably, I do feel like that. But obviously all there's so many variables, like all that matches up with like where a creek bottom sits and where a thick spot is, and where the does are going to be because the buck's gotta go somewhere else and until the rut and all these different things, and so like, you know, the only thing we can do here is kind of give out some scenarios and say this is kind of what we love. The goal is to talk about how to hang a camera over the food source to be able to kill a deer there then or later. And we're at this point, like we're in August. We're trying to find deer, you know what I mean. So we did this on Texas Public a few years back. Um, you can get a couple of different places we've done this. A picture at two am of a big buck. Most of the time, I will tell you, is useless. You know a lot. And I'm not gonna be rude or anything to people, but like except on podcast, right because y'all y'all used to it. But now you know what I'm saying. Like a buddy at church comes up and shows me to picture some big deer on his property and it's like three am, And in my mind, I'm like, man, that's great, but you're only going to see that deal. You're like, there's like two days a year and it's probably November fourteenth and fifteen that you're gonna be able to send that that's regional, by the way, guys, uh like, um, you know it's it's not hype unless you're backtracking this deer and you have the ability to do that, then it's super because just the knowing he's there is a huge thing. So like, why not hang your camera at the place where the most dear cross right, the most dear go to the act. That's where you want. That's where you want your camera. Then you can figure more stuff out from there. And this time years a great time to do that because you have time to figure things out. Yeah, I mean you still got time. Like if you're an October one opener or so, like everybody or a lot of people are, uh, um, you have still you know, if we're talking about getting cameras out in early to mid August, you've got a month and a half, you know before you got to really you know, get get have your plan right pretty much. Bucks are what they are now, like the angler, Yeah, yeah, you will. You will most likely know a shooter at this point, and so that's good and and you have six weeks to find where this buck is betting if you want that. And here's the thing is, you do want that, but you may not want to find his betting until um mid September, you know what I mean, because it's there's it's likely to change, I think in a lot of cases. And I think that depending on where you are parts of the country, most of the parts of the country. Whenever they kind of are coming out of elvet, that's kind of when they change that to that fall range. And we've seen it here and this, this where we hunt around here is like just as difficult as it gets, it says, not normal as it gets. It's like, dear deer here just not like the rest of the deer. Like you hear about people in the Midwest and the Upper Midwest and how a deer react and stuff, and you know how they interact with their habitats and their seasons and people and everything, and these deer are different. And still we do see a fall like relocation, or we have at least, I mean, we're all over the bucks. In the summer, we had only daylight pictures of these deer coming back to bed right there next to the camera, and basically the last three weeks of September they seemed to disappear, and we still gave him a shot on opening day, which is like October one or two. It was a cold front, massive cold front, like never this cold on October sixty. Yeah, which was that's good for us. Casey and I hunted all day, had a great win, great access to this place, and did not see a deer here was going. We didn't see a dough or anything. We saw pigs in the morning, which is not a good thing. That was actually when I decided for sure that I didn't want to hunt all day anymore. And I still have a few tik I've done it at least once a year probably since then. Well, one of the dumbest things you can do is let your buddy talk you into hunting a all day sit in Texas. For the opener, it's probably real, real bad. I'm a dumb guy, man. Yeah, well you're hanging out with dumb guy too, and that is it like dumb squared. So okay, that's on a food source, right, Uh, how are you going to kill that? Dear? What's that process look like? Um, don't tell me, draw your boat. I want you guys should win the right spot. That's right. Uh, So there are different ways to kill what you're finding on a food source and I think that what you'll see is like when they transition, they say, you pick him up here and before the velvet sheds um and then he transitions and disappears. I think that you can find where the does are most heavily coming into that food source in h throughout the fall, and like even after you know it, depending on when crops come out, say they come out or whatever, even after that, like figure out where these doughes are most heavily using that field or that food source, and try to hunt there during the prime rut because that deer is I think potentially likely two revisit that area, uh during the rut. You know, he knows like he spends time there. Yes it might not be fall core range, but he hills spend up back and quite honestly, dude, like these core ranges, home range, all that stuff. Those are terms that the I would almost say, I might get chastisers and almost say that the hunting industry has come up with this stuff a little bit. Now there's some data out there to back it up, but it's regional to depending on where you're individualistic. Yeah, absolutely it is. But like say you're remember we're flying into Chicago. The other day and in in like northern Illinois, it as flat as a pancake and there's just a few trees here and there. Like those deer like they have to live in the cover. They can't go too many awful many places, you know, Like so like it ain't just out west where like you have a different look, you know, like there's some places out east where it's still like you don't always have to move. You know that you might have the same buck doing the same living in the same forty acres all year long. So you don't think it's like I think it has not. That's actually a really good point something that I was thinking about earlier. I'm glad you made it. And that's so that's something you know to also consider. So if if the buck does not relocate, or if you find this deer in mid September and you you find his quote unquote core range here like he's he's he's you know, close by in daylight, um then or you're close to daylight I guess, he says at last light at the field edge. A way to go find him and kill him is to basically take hop on a map. If you know that area pretty well, you can do this from a map. You might have to you know, you might have to get if you have to get boots in there, then you can definitely mess things up. But if you've had boots in there and you know how to correlate different types of habitat. We talked about this actually in our little uh clinic or whatever it was at Cabela's a few weeks back. We had a question about this and if you just if you have spent time in there during different times of the season, different times of the off season, the postseason, and that kind of thing, and you now can take a map and go, okay, when it looks like that, that's thick, When it looks like that, those are actually oak trees and there's nothing underneath them, right, so you know those things. That is super helpful this time of year because you don't have to get in there and mess things up. Yeah, And actually on on X right now, you can get on there and they have a thing like four three or four different tree layers. You can do deciduous versus coniferous, which pretty much means evergreens, and then trees that loses lose their leaves. You can do red oaks, versus white oaks. You can do like young aspens. There's all kinds of different layers you can turn on that thing to kind of help you navigate, like hardwood timber versus bottom lands and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, for sure. So I mean if you put all the if you put all the if you put the pines or evergreens or whatever, and the uh, all the oak layers on and they're not showing up in that thick little spot, and then you know that's like a lower young story understory of brush basically. So anyway, basically that's what you want to do, is see like where where is this buck potentially coming from. He's gonna be in some thicker stuff and he's gonna be in a remote place where people don't go. And it might be it might it might actually be fairly close to somebody's house. It might be the backyard of an old lady's house kind of you know, like it might be a hundred yards off her back porch. But you know, if she doesn't go there, then that's a potential So, uh, finding those spots, those potential spots where he might be and and basically following trails from the field edge where you're picking him up back to those areas and if you can stay on a trail that goes into that and drop that camera a little bit further back, say two yards back, you you get that deer in daylight. And that's that's how you kill him on opening day. I mean, that's that's how you do it. That's dude talking about getting me pumped. And the way to do that too is to go in and hanging hunt and do this and like, yeah, you don't want to go in there and set you set a trail camera and get out there quick. You don't want to go in there and set a tree stand or something like that, or you know, you want to hang sticks in there while you're messing around. I wouldn't have known o that stuff. I'd go in there. And this is when you can kill one in the morning too, because you don't go in there and maybe run the risk of bumping up a deer or whatever. You know, who knows, Maybe he you truck camera will tell you. But there's a chance he's hanging out at the food stores and at like a betting stage in area before he gets back to the spot. You get in there real early, go in. Bring your saddle stuff. We we're going to use a cruiser saddle because they're super comfortable. You can sit your all day long sit that Tyler's talking about. If you didn't get the fact that we were dumb because we weren't hunting in a saddle, that's right. I mean we actually were hunting some really hard tree stands. Yeah, hard to hang. Yeah, that's the other nice thing about this. Like we're kind of loud that morning too, if I remember correctly, probably that's that's another thing that come. This is a reason why and I'm not saying I won't hunt have a tree stand ever again, but this is a reason why the hanging hunt out of a saddle is so awesome. Is you've got a platform that you can manage with one hand, even if you're just a young intern that's very skinny, Like, you can manage this, you know what I mean. And uh, you're not making a bunch of noise and stuff. There's less moving parts. It's a good thing. There's a cloth stuff. Now you can still get some clanks and clanks, but still like when most of your system is cloth, it's way wider and it makes a big difference and I think that there's it's just not a better hanging hunt. Now if it's cold and you are hunting like a annual or perennial tree stand or whatever, like, Yeah, tree stands are real nicely understands are even nice in that situation. But to be mobile and to make moves on deer, it's hard to beat a cruiser saddle for sure. Uh. Now, let's take this a different direction. We've backtracked this deer uh from a destination agriculture food source. Let's go hunt some different dear. Um, A lot of the country uh, in the preseason and early season experiences acorn fall or acorn fall, depending on where you're you're at. You might even say it different. I can't even pronounce another way to say it. But um, that's a little bit different of a hunt, I feel like, uh. And it's not as much of a backtrack them to it as it is to find the hot spot. How do you find that hot spot? And then how do you hang a camera accordingly to get you some information? You're talking about hunting over acorns, right, pretty much? So I would Uh. The first thing that I'm doing is I'm I'm not looking for an acorn tree that's dropping on the field edge. It looks beautiful, it looks awesome. Like we were walking down in Illinois with Isaac, walking down this field edge and I was looked up and I was like, man, there's gonna be acrons falling from that tree, pretty heavy, and you could kill a deer there for sure. But I think that the what I'm looking for is you know, like you said, you can turn on this on the map on on X, or you can just go in there and find stuff. You can also look for tree crowns from fields and stuff like that. Back in there and say and pull your bindos up and identify that this that is a wide oak tree back in there looking for tree crowns, you mean, like on the aerial looking for a big tree from that. Is that what you mean? But you can do that. That's a good point. I was thinking more like, um, you're you pull down the road, you get a look back at some timber across the field. You want to get some perspective. You don't want to be right up on the edge of the timber right you want to be looking at it from distance. Pull your vindols up, look at the leaves and go they have those are I think those are wide oaks. Somebody going there and look, you want to be back in the timber. I think you want to be potentially if you're in ridge country, I think you want to be you know, uh on the end of ridges or um, you know, up, you know, somewhere on top of a ridge, potentially in a saddle you can you know, this is something we talked about a lot. But pairing, uh, multiple attributes that are advantageous for you in an area is the best way to kill there. You can't just take and go. I want to hunt acrens because they're gonna eat acorns and just think that you can't feel confident. I don't feel like if you just go in there and hunt a tree, You've gotta have multiple reasons why this works. So that's what I would look for, is stuff back in the timber. Little ways. Uh, it's gonna get darker earlier back in there, but the deer gonna feel more comfortable. And I think if you get uh some sort of a little even if it's a small cold front, especially if you brought some wind and it knocks some of those acrons off the tree, I think you have a very good chance of killing deer. And now I think you're gonna want to hunt like a lot of people have white oaks. I think you're gonna want to hunt white oaks earlier in the season. So as far as hanging the trail camera, uh, going in and finding those case is really good. I am better now than ever. But he's always been really good at bringing his binos every time he's in the woods pretty much, and so he's always able to look up at a tree and go, there's a bunch of acrens on that one right there, you know, So let's hang a camera right in here underneath this thing, and uh, if it's this is there's so many advantages to running a cell camera, but this is one of them where like that tree could all of a sudden just knocked down a bunch of acrens in about three days and it's just hammer time. And you many times years back, do we miss that because we weren't. So we have what are called schumar trees and or a or Schumart oaks in our area. They're red oaks but have a big acre and that's like almost the size of a white oak. And there was one year where we missed it, and we were like we've been we've been waiting ever since for that year to happen again and for us to do something about it. But like it was hammered underneath where they had all fallen, and they fall kind of early, so then they fall before deer season a lot of times, and so like that's the that's an issue too, where you know, if you if you're not in the woods, you don't know they're falling. So this also works for per simmons to you know, it's not just oak trees, but um, anything that's a mass that the deer targeting, it's the thing to do. And those are kind of the two main ones that are going to be false specific that you can think about now this situation. I'm always thinking about an evening hunt because a lot of times it's open hardwoods kind of in the places of these are so the deer, aren't it. Like, as long as your access is good, you're not intruding too much into bedding and missing things up. You're waiting on the deer to move to you to come eat the acorns, right and and um, depending on what part of the country you're in, Like you were saying, well ago, it gets pretty hot and heavy because it's all of a sudden like, oh my goodness, look at this ample amount of food. You know, it's it's hog time, you know. And because deer's specifically bucks, they they are not stupid. God has made them to wear like it's time to chow down before the rut. They get to be in really, really good shape and they put on the feedback absolutely. So it's it's like it is a good thing for them to eat, and they will hit it. And so that's what I'm always thinking about, is trying to do um, a hanging hunt or even a pre hung set where you are in that really good spot. Now, there's a lot of guys who I guess take the truck camp out of it a little bit here. I know, we're talking about how to hang cameras in these situations to kill deer, but um, there's some guys who who don't do that. And I think that this is a thing where people are hunting large tracks of timber, like say some of the national forests and stuff you can hunt where they take the approach of hunt the hot sign instead. I've never really done that too much. Have you ever done the hunt the hot sign thing. I mean, I know I have done it. I'm not saying I've done it successfully though, And I can't think of a time if we're talking about like feeding type stuff now as far as like rut signed, yeah, I can think of a few instances where I have hunted the hot sign, but I've always had like a very like when I look at maps, I mean I I want to pick the tree and so, and yeah, I'm not a I'm never. I shouldn't say never. Ideally, I know where I'm headed when I leave out. If I'm heading out with a saddle set up. Now, if I'm gonna hunt on the ground and I'm stalking around, that's one thing, but I hardly am ever like I want to go hang in a tree and I don't know where, because that's a good way to walk around for five miles and not end up in a tree. We've done that a few times. But like I think a lot of guys, especially UH, and this is stuff I'm learning from other hunters that I see and talk to and talk on the podcasts and stuff like. UH, take some of our buddies from Midwest white Tail, this is the thing that they do from timele time, especially as urban hunts. Right where uh they go in, find some white oaks that are dropping and pair that with some fresh rubs that are there. They know a buck is using the area, probably eating those, and can just hop in a tree right there and hunt can be very effective. It would seem I haven't done it. We don't really live in an area that's conducive for that, And oftentimes that time of year, I'm in a different either I'm either hunting locally or I'm in a different part of the country where that's not really the thing you do, because I'm saving those states for rutt hunts. Right. You know, One thing that comes to mind for me is um, I mean, I just I like, I am going to pick a very very like specific spot when I go in. I may not even pick the tree, but I will have like I will likely be in a spot that's fifty yards within a fifty yard like a circle, you know what I mean. And so like I was thinking in at the end of the year, I ended up going in with a specific spot in mind and ended up hunting actually closer. So I didn't actually hunt super like. I probably hunted like two thirds of the way in from where I wanted to go, actually, but I ended up killing um first time in and I killed off the hot Hot sign and that was why. Like I went in all the way, nearly all the way, and as I'm getting in there, the sign is getting a little less, and I started looking at my map and I'm like, you know, there's not much sign right here, and if I keep going, it actually looks like it potentially could get worse for a few reasons, one being that there's just not a lot of habitat, you know, further back in there, and I might have just walked right through where all the deer were, and I actually did, and so I was real slow, came back real quiet, set up real quiet two thirds of the way in from where I was, and literally I'm filming what we call b roll, which is just like landscape shots. I want to set up tell the story of where I'm at. I want people to know, like what the area looks like. Yeah, oh, they don't worry, they will figure that out. Uh. Now I want people to to, you know, have like I don't want them to just see something and not have a perspective. And I want to film these wide shots so that people can see what I'm hunting. I literally am filming the first shot of this creek crossing that I had seen potentially on the map, and also when I got there, I did see it and like a shooter buck is in my frame whenever I was recording, and I was like, oh, smokes, you know, And so from then it was just hey, what, like it was nuts, and it was because those deer were living right there, and I was just happened to be on the right side with the wind going in and happened to be very quiet, which happened to be. I intentionally tried to do these things, but sometimes, you know, it doesn't always worked out that way. So that was a particular instance where like I can say I did hunt the hot sign, but most of the time I am picking a tree that I want to hang in. And then when you get there and there's hot sign, that gives you a good feeling because you got the map and the reasons you want. You said, that was a good sung on the map, and that correlates with like, whoa, there's hot sign here. This is gonna be awesome, you know what I mean. It's it's working out, so absolutely, dude, that makes you excited. Okay, now let's take it to a different direction again for preseason and then early season. I call early season pretty much everything until the rut starts, So um about November, right, so that's still earlier. I know that, Like you could go into all thirty seven phases or whatever they come up with, right, But so leading into the rut, it's still what I call early season. It's probably wrong, but that's what some people call it pre rut. So if that helps you think about it. So, um, the uh the scrape is a little bit different and it kind of stands alone. There is deer sign, and then above deer sign there is uh scrapes, particularly perennial scrapes. In our opinion, like it does not get much better. The only better deer sign that there can be is a actual buck standing there right, which you saw like you talked about earlier in your frame. But there's an approach that we use, and um, it's real particular. We can't even always accomplish it because it's very dependent upon like the particular scrape. But there's this like perennial scrape thing that we do where we go out early season or preseason rather and try to find a scrape to hang a camera over that's going to in turn help us kill deer over that scrape. How does that really look and work? Um? So, I think you have to think about it with a lot of different like the same thing. There's a lot of different varias variables involved. Um The best to take and find these places on a map that I can think about is to find where like multiple um avenues of travel intersect potentially. So, uh, say there's a fence line, I brush the fence line or uh in irrigation ditch and if it ends up like leading into a creek system and they come together at like a ninety and they both go separate ways. Um, so think of it as like across or something like that. You know, just like four way meeting. Right an intersection at that intersection is a good place and say it's all agg on the on the quadrants of this thing. At that intersection is a good place to potentially find a a big scrape that was there at one point. It may be perennial or you know, it may be used like throughout the summer and it may not it maybe, uh, but if it's a big scrape, you can still find it there and know that like at some point you can kill there. But I think that that like finding things like that that come together, you could find Like so if you got, um a similar thing where you got like two field field corners that come up adjacent to each other, there may be big blocks of timber on both sides, but right there it's kind of creating a little pinch right there. Um, and you've got deer that can come from this big block of timber like to the southeast and the big block to the northwest or whatever. Right in that area between those two pinches, uh to field field corners. That's a great place on the inside of the woods there to find something like that. And then outside of like things like that, there's other ways, but um, like just getting out in the woods is important to find those things absolutely. And that's that was where I was going to do the follow up, like talk about this is like there's you can't This is like one of those things. It's kind of like predicting big book movement and saying you're gonna go shoot a big deer. You can do the whole bunch, but ninety five percent of the time you're gonna be wrong. And it's the same thing with this finding scrapes like this, you know, like you just you gotta cover ground to find it. That's just the only way to do it because most of the time at those intersections, you're not going to find a like year long, year round used scrape. Like you're just not going to in most situations, I don't think, because we've seen that at it's real particular like what happens, you know, truth be told, we haven't found one yet this year. Uh, that seems to be that And that's okay because we can kill your other ways too, But we're trying to tell you is like it is the thing if you can find it, and there's a particular scenario that works, right and your twenty Illinois book is the scenario. Summer scouted this place, found one of these scrapes, hung a camera over it, didn't weren't using cell cameras. Then I can't imagine, you know, using a most tree mobile over one of those things. And that's the thing. You have to be mature, you have to be able to handle it. That's because if you're freaking out, you're getting Because we had to hear on that thing all year long, big giant bucks, right the one you shot one even in the biggest on the camera or that you saw that day, and he's still the biggest date point I've ever seen in real life. Okay, So like, um, it's you have to have patients, you have to have discipline and know the time to strike, and the time to strike is a late October cold from I mean, if we had I don't remember, because I just don't. It's not in my mind that I remember this for sure. But I think that if we had hunted that location prior to or no, if we didn't unt hunt it prior to when I killed and from opening day, I don't think there was a daylight of a mature buck in there. Your buck was there one time with maybe five minutes left and shooting life and as thick as it was dark, Yeah, well that's what I'm saying, Like as thick as it was, it's probably too dark to shoot. I mean it was it was in then. I get was he was completely glowing and checking the scrape, But he didn't show up till that week before and like at all, and we had some bigger bucks on that camera all summer that we're there in daylight, and like from but from October one till the day I killed, which was a twenty three, I don't think we had a a buck that was bigger than two and a half years old in the daylight. On that camera, what Tyler is saying is that you go in there because you're like, it's October fift cold front. It's gonna be awesome. You know what's gonna happen. He's gonna come in timidutes after shooting light and you're gonna bust those bucks, get him your set, you know, getting yourself down, and you're gonna mess up the whole thing because they are sensitive. Right, you killed that deer on the twenty three of October, if I remember right, it was a great coal front, great set up. First time he went in and killed the deer. Given that evening. Um through a lot of situations, y'all got busted. Uh in the tree, Uh because there was a snowman up there moving around in the tree who wasn't Tyler. Uh, And a big buck saw you. And then the buck that you saw, who's also a big buck, you shot. Um. You then went in and recovered that deer, But did it pretty quickly, right, But that was enough for those deer to pretty much not show back up on that camera the rest of the year. Yeah. And and another point that I'm trying to make two is like there were there the deer that I almost shot. That guy busted was a monster, and um I had him at eight yards and he I don't believe he was on the camera. He was. He was on the camera all summer in daylight most of the time, like from like like from the point where you didn't know what he was gonna be, almost to the point that he's like fully hard horned and he's on daylight. And I think that once October one was there maybe whenever it was in September the last time he showed up. Like if I'd have gone in there thinking I'm gonna go kill this here, he's coming in the daylight and early September or whatever, you know, or mid September, if I'd gone there in October one, I could have really stunk that area and messed the whole thing up, as opposed to waiting, like you said, to a long like a late season or a late October cold front, and seeing both that buck and the new buck that showed up the week before in the in the dark. So you know, like even trying to get on an early season pattern on October one, I just it can it can work. But I think that a cell camera can help you with that because you know up to the minute, like September, that Buck was in there in the day, in the daylight. So I'm gonna go in October one and kill him, right, But if you don't have, if you're not using a cell cam, then you either go in there to mess it up, pull the car on September and potentially mess it up, or you just you know, wait for cold front. But you don't know that that Buck stopped showing up after he shed velvet or he you know, whatever it is, there's something that changes right there around the first or middle of September. It causes a lot of deer, even deer that her homebodies like the big one that I saw, to do something different. And you know, like that Buck may have relocated his his core range after he shed velvet, but we saw him hard horn in daylight. We got video on the trail camera him he's doing like a lip curl. Yeah, it's cool. And then and and then I saw him again that night, like on the late in late October, so he was there, but I just don't think he was there in daylight, think mid September or whatever on. That has to do a lot my hypothesis. That has to do with the testosterone level rising, and it's like a natural impulse of theirs, not that they are avoiding hunters, and I think deer can learn to do that too, but I think that, um, they all get mad at each other. So there's this dispersion that happens of like kind of spreading out and not being homeboys there instead. And then also there's like some level of like even on big mature bucks, hey, I kind of need to just stay in the spot because if I go out there, you know, four year old over here might think he's big and bad and come stick me in the butt while I'm having my head down eating or whatever. You know. Like there's this whole like sudden raised level of danger from other bucks that that they experience, you know, different social dynamic between the herd there. Yeah, I think that's actually a really good point. I think that is definitely what is going on there. It's a bigger part of the October lull than anything else. Yeah, No, I think you're I think you're spot on there like that. I didn't even thought about that, but that I would almost guarantee you that that is a thing. Like, Dear, I've been able to hunt some pretty cool properties over the years, and I've seen a lot of deer interactions and deer like they are spooky of a big deer with any things on its head, and it's you can I know, people talk about them and they do exist from time to time. Some deer are just fighters and you know that way. But a lot of times the biggest, most mature buck can still be pretty wary another buck. He may fight two times a year. This we go back to this the deer you were talking about in the creek, right, he was probably the most mature buck in the area, and then a two year old ran right at him because the things that they got weird, right, and like he freaked out because like, I don't know what to do with this deer it's coming at me, you know, And it's because it's just like they dear, for sure, on the fight or flight scale, are all about the flight when they can. Yeah, like if they don't know what's going on, they're they're flighting. Yes, I mean that's what happened with the buck that I actually shot there in Illinois, was the big one got spookeed, ran through the only gap in that thick area right there, and ended up like busting this deer, and he he freaked out. He didn't put his head down and try to knock antlers with this deer out. He freaked out. And I don't think he was subordinate necessarily because what I understand from the guy who was in the tree with me, he told me that these deer were like mad at each other. I couldn't see them. He said they were mad, and they were you know, puffed up and whatever. So I don't think that either one of them was necessarily scared of the other. But in a minute where he doesn't know what's going on, right. So you know, one thing that as far as like hanging the camera there, like you said, the cell cam would have been ideal. We hunt sort of high. That's another thought about scrape cameras is potentially to hang it kind of high so that stays out of the buck's view. But um, you know, I don't know. I think that like one thing you want to do with a scrape camera? Is you want to make this was key for me, is we ended up hanging it on the best tree we could find. It ended up being good because we could tell where the deer were coming from, and in that situation where we were at sticking there, Um, I needed to know what tree to hang into. So I was ready for a shot. And I mean I was the buck that I ended up shooting, was at twenty yards ready to give me a shot whenever things hit the fan, right, And so it was I was set upright. But um, that was because we had previous knowledge and I went in there and pulled the camp the card to that. Um, those deer were coming from a particular direction. Overall, it didn't happen every time. But if you can be like, yeah, seventy percent of the time these deer are coming down this trail to enter this scrape, then you can hunt. You can hunt well because you're hunting potentially a wind that seems favorable to them but isn't because you know, I mean, as they say, it is a just off wind, you know, just to say the cliche statement, but like it is. And that's where like taking a camera and pulling all this stuff together to make just the perfect hunt is just as cool as I guess it is. Man. So, um, we actually have notes here about what we're gonna talk about in this podcast, and I didn't follow him at all, Sorry, Tyler, but it worked out pretty good. Uh. Here a second, We're gonna get Mark on to talk more about the settings type stuff to talk about with this deal. But I do want to talk about one other thing that you might want to hang camera over, and that's water, because we actually have had some success with this. It's somewhat difficult because, uh, water usually means that there's not as many things to shrap a camera too, because, um, you know, a lot of times along the water's edge either have like whispy little trees or you have water itself, so it's kind of hard to get the footage of the deer or the pictures of the deer um taking a drink. Now, we had success doing this over a what we call a pila, which is like a tank that sits at the base of a windmill, and that is a lot easier to do because there's stuff around it. You know, you have three in or six degrees around that to use as opposed to like a lake shore or something whatever. I don't know, but that has uh, you know, half of your area. You can't hang a camera down, right, So what is the the tactic behind hanging a camera over water? What are you trying to get there? I mean, simply put, you're trying to get a deer that is like thirsty, right, and you're trying to get them coming to satiate or satisfy their uh thirst and so, um, you know this is one thing our buddy Tony Peterson. Um, he's kind of the man on this. He is he's he is the man when it comes to water. I think it's pretty much well known that he knows a lot about that kind of stuff. Um, he will sit there and tell me that this is so hard for me to overcome. He tells me that sometimes you can just get down on water and just hunt and don't matter which way the winds blowing, you can uh you know you're gonna end up maybe winning some deer or getting winded. And you're some of the deer not gonna wind you because they're gonna come from different areas. Now for a lot of us just say say, you know, we're hunting more Midwest stuff or Eastern stuff, and you've got these these this water that's in the woods. Um, it matters, And I think, I mean, I don't know. I don't want to go against what Tony says here because I think he is right in some situations. Are probably a lot of situations he hunts. But in some situations I think that like, especially on private property, you have a buck that you want to shoot because he's on your private and that's the only buck that you've seen on camera. You don't want to just sit there and let your wind swirl around, like you want to be pretty sure what you're doing there. And this is where a camera comes in. Now there's there's a deal here where it's like you can go down there and kill a deer, but if you can put the wind in your favor in still do it? Why not? Yeah? And I'm sure Tony would agree with that. No, he he definitely would. But it, like I said, if it's a private deal, like he's talking about hunting public grounds mostly so if it's a private deal, man like you, you want to make sure, like you know where this deer is bed and from. So I think that the main idea when you're hanging on water is that a lot of times you're gonna drink out of a fairly small water source. It's gonna be a smaller tank or pond or whatever. Um, you're gonna want to figure out where and you can see this Casey is really good at figuring this stuff out. But like you can see where a deer or most of the deer are coming up to this pond. You can like there's always especially like if we're talking earlier season like we are right now, you can see when the as that lake or pond starts to draw down, um, lots of tracks in the mud the grass you know, it's no longer uh grass growing on the edges of the pond because it's shrunken down into the dirt. Man, if you can find a place, like if you can hunt an area that doesn't have hogs to so much, Yeah, for sure. And so if you don't have hogs, it's it's really really pretty easy to see where the majority of these deer are coming up and drinking. Knowing that that's uh probably the place you want to aim your camera and you can see, uh, you know, you you want to make sure that you can get in frame which direction these deer coming from or what you assume is the direction. Therefore, if it's not, you can make other predictions. But uh, that way, you know what direction are coming from, and you know what what wind hunt it on, and so you don't want to hunt it. This is something I think that you got to make sure. But you don't want to hunt I don't think you want to hunt I don't know. Maybe on a water sources different because they need water um sometimes, but I don't think you want to hunt it on a directly one eight degree wind um from the direction they come from. Think about. Yes, I'm with you for sure, and I'm gonna affirm that for you. The the buck were referring to that I killed. It's actually a film that hasn't been released yet. I'm super stoked to put it out. If you can't him to the event that we did it. Uh, Cabell's in Austin here well back with don X Like you got to see the footage of that thing. It's pretty sick um that deer did a jay hook to come to that water. He sure did. Uh huh, that's right. He he I thought he was gonna walk past us, and I was crying, and then he like kind of like almost decided he had gone far enough and then came over where we were to jay hook into the water source. Because when he came out, I thought I was gonna have to shoot me at fifty yards and I didn't really want to do that. Yes, exactly, but no, that didn't happen, y'all, y'all will just have to watch the footage. Um Uh, the vector arrow flew very very true, as they always do in that thing. You know, what, what what's the straightest thing from point A to point b? It's a vector you know, at twelve yards or whatever, fourteen yards they're pretty straight, pretty straight, man, it's a pretty flat traje twelve yard shots and when it sounds like one goes through a watermelon, you can hear the whole sound. It's real cool. Um. So this is a place where we hung that camera over that pila, and that deer did exactly that. He We had got a picture of a shooter buck on that. I don't think it was him. I think it ended up being a different deer. I'm not It's hard to say, um, but it worked out okay. So on time with it But anyways, that deer came out probably at like from where I'm sitting in my in my saddle, that deer is probably like at a seven o'clock where he like he first came into view. He then walked around the clock face all the way up to like almost high noon. Dude, what I just remember because we had to set up ten yards from each other. The greatest the great thing about saddles is you can get into some tiny trees. The hardest thing about filming your buddy in a tiny tree is that you can't sit in the tiny tree with him. Yeah, And that's that's another reason. We got in different trees, and so we could wiggle our own trees, and you know, we knew who actually messed it up. But I just remember we had a little buck um that almost got an arrow that he showed up before this buck when I was sitting there debate and I was like, I don't want to have to shoot this small deer, but I really want to shoot something. And then we're sitting there looking and he and he turns and looks, and I like, I'm like, oh yeah, And so I look over at k C and uh, he looks right back at me, and we like made the eye content like yeah, there's another one coming here, we can see, and so then we can see k C start looking and I see I can see the buck before k C because I guess the trees runs away wherever, and so I'm like I'm just waiting on him to see it. And when he sees it, he like turns his head real slow, like you know, like trying not to and he's like gives me the big guys. You know, it's like, oh yeah, looking over and you just giving me a hint nod. Whenever I got it, dude, I'm on this sing with the camera. That was And that's the thing that like if you don't film your hunts are especially if you don't have a camera guy, then like you don't ever really think too much about this. But like there's this thing of like I've seen the deer, does the other person see the deer? And that's what I was confirming in all the crowd in your heads nod and like, oh we got this, broke the A team. The buck truck is about down and it happened, and that like there's never been another deer that a cell camera helped me kill. More than that year right there. It was absolutely crazy because you and I neither are Tony Peterson. Therefore we don't have the confidence in the water that he does. But I'm building that. In between Tony telling the information that works and the Multrie mobile camera telling us that the deer were actually using that, we're able to put that plan together and shoot a big bug and it's gonna come out soon, right, I think about a month from now. Ye. Yeah, actually might be a little longer than that. Maybe, yeah, maybe, I don't know. I don't know either. We got we got a calendar of videos, and so we don't really they know the calendar, but it's on the calendar. It's it's coming soon, guys, So get hype about that. Um. But right now we're actually gonna go to uh the interview we do the mark OLiS where he talks more about the setting stuff on these cameras. Uh So, yeah, it is because it's one of the great benefits of having a cell camera is being able to put it out there and not having to go back to get in. There's a lot of stuff do that as well as the the uh way that the app can help you navigate this world and and and find bucks to kill. So let's actually just let Mark talk about that, all right. So now on the phone, we've got Mark OLiS from Multre Mobile. Mark. What's happening dude. Hey guys, thanks for having me on. It's it's great to be back on with you guys. And uh, you know, we're just rocking and rolling in summer here and you know, it's of course, like you guys, nice and hot here in Alabama and just got deer season on our minds. Yeah, man, wait do two. It's crazy but like, you know, it's so hot man, this time of year. But like it really there is like a change in the in the light, the way that the sun is, the angle of the sun, you know, and you can just if you've been around on the Earth long enough, you kind of get this this feeling this time of year. You're like, oh, that sun is kind of looking like fall a little bit, you know, a little bit more yellow. Yeah, a little more angle too. So anyway, the it's it's really trail camera season for a lot of folks, which is exciting, but it's also kind of like the worst of the season. It's not because the trail cameras are the worst but it's because hanging teril cameras like preseason is one of the toughest things there is. Stress gosh, stressful, hot does all get out good way to pass out? About two years ago Tall and I were hanging cameras on public land. We nearly died, Like I got out there way too far back, didn't have enough water and just you know, sweating her tails off. And yeah, it's kind of rough, man, But it is exciting to be able to start getting those pictures rolling in, you know. Oh absolutely. And I don't know how is by you guys, but I've been out putting up some cameras here recently, and man, the sugars are terrible right now and I'm I'm sitting here scratching my legs while we talk. So yes, it's it's a tough time of year, but it's necessary and exciting all of the same time. It is, man, it's necessary because this is I mean from about now until most people's opening days. It's a it's a good time to find a buck to hunt an opening day, you know. Um. And one thing that I really like to do also, or one way I can utilize the information is you know, even on cameras that I don't necessarily pick up bucks in velvet or whatever right now in August and early September, even on cameras where I'm seeing mostly just doze, you know, it's still something that you can hunt, um and use to your advantage. And so for for instance, if you've got a bunch of does, they're probably not gonna move like a buck will when he strips velvet sometimes, like those bucks will change their summer range and stuff. So a lot of times you have trouble getting on them early because you know, even the information that you find in the first week of September, you know, changes because those deer strip velvet and move somewhere for some reason, and so um, you know, if you don't have an early opener, that can be tough. But knowing that you've got dose in the area is a good thing for November, you know, because they're not gonna move nearly as much and relocate in these different ranges like bucks are used to having to do. And so you know, that's one thing I like about running cameras this time of year. It really can be I mean, it doesn't matter if you get a target buck or not. You still can use this stuff to kill kill good bucks. You know, at some point during the season. I agree, I agree with you wholeheartedly. And you know, on our particular property here in east central Alabama, UH, that's typically what happens. We get our cameras up and and you know, we we can run feeders here, so we'll go ahead and get those running because that's a good way for us to kind of take in until worry on what's living on our place. So so we do that. But you know, we we're big into the food plots too, and we we do the soil sample. So we've got really really nice food plots and the deer absolutely hammer them. But you know, it's not until the early season, isn't when we see a lot of our bucks on our property. It's it's actually, you know, once those acorns are done and and once you get some of that frost killing off the green vegetation, that's when we see the influx of bucks coming in. Because at that point our food plots are just there the draw and those bucks are coming in and we've got the late rut here, right, so we're out of November rut, so we've got all season that that our bucks are kind of in that pre rut phase until January. But what's bringing them in is the groceries, you know. And and because we've got those cameras out, you know, those does are in that spot for a reason. Uh, they're not gonna leave the food covering water. So those bucks are gonna be there just like you said later on if they're not there already. Yeah, you know, we we've been so we've been using the Multrie stuff like we've told people like for the last couple of years, and um, the Multre mobile base. Uh, you guys are are introducing some new cameras that are has some really cool technology as well. They've they've done well for us. And one thing that we like to do, you know this time of years, try to get some hogs. Hogs will get on a really good pattern this time of year and you've got you've got a consistent weather pattern with a southeast wind. You know that's just hot every day. And so if you get you get them coming daylight at the end of the day because it's cool and off a little bit and they're tired of sitting around. Like that's a pattern you see every day. And so we we in particular use these things, especially the the cellular types of these cameras often, especially even on hor I mean, because as much as a deer's knows is it is works to his advantage, its advantage, Uh, hogs is even more so. Um, you know, they can't see worth nothing, so they are using that nose all the time. You get in there, start checking card game cards, you know, or SD cards on those trail cameras, and you can push a group of hogs into nocturnal real quick, basically. So what we end up doing is using cell camps to our advantage basically and be able to monitor these hogs and go, oh, they're coming in every evening at seven pm. Let's go in there, set up about six fifteen and uh, you know, sweat it out for just a little bit and wait on to come in. And it's it's just a fun way to hunt, you know, there's no Sometimes like people want to make hunting not worthy if it's not hard. And sometimes I'm like, you know what, when I was when I was ten, I didn't hunt because it was hard. I hunted because it was fun, you know. And I'm kind of the same boat these days too, So uh, you know, with the with the cell cameras, we wanted to talk specifically about these things, cut to the chase and get to talking about some of the best ways to maximize battery life because that's something that people have an issue with across the board with cell cameras sometimes, uh, ways to take advantage of of also SD card space or you know, in some cases you may not even need an SD card will find out at some point. And then also just uh, you know, some of the best ways to find these these bucks and uh, you know, basically organize all your your photos and stuff like that so that when you go in you look at barer magic pressure or wind or weather patterns or whatever that you can uh you can find that stuff easily and really just like dial it in on some of these bucks. So with that said, I just want to kind of open it up to you, man, give us some of the new features that are coming out when some of these cameras, talk about them a little bit, and kind of tell us why this stuff can help us. Man. Yeah, no, absolutely, I hear you loud and clear, and yeah, you know, first I'll touch on the battery life thing, because you know that that's the one thing we hear about the most um and it's like, man, these and you see it on social media and it and it doesn't matter the brand. It's like, gosh, you sell cams eat through batteries, you know, and and it's like, yeah, they they absolutely can eat through batteries. And the cool thing is with a cell cam. Um. I mean, you hop on your phone, uh you know, your camera maybe the next state over. You know, it may be hours away, but you get on your phone and you can change those settings at the drop of a dime. So that's what's cool. So you you don't have to go back to that camera to mess with it, but inside the settings, you can save battery life tremendously. And and there's a there's a few things that I always recommended guys and and a lot of times is um, you know, the folks that you see comitting on these cameras eat batteries. You know, they're they're typically newer to running cell camps, so you know, there's there's a little bit of a learning curve in that aspect. And the first thing I'll tell guys and and and it's it's the one thing everyone that gets a cell camera for the first time wants to do. You want to put that bad boy on immediate mode because you want to see when those It's like, man, look look what's at my tree stand right now, look what's at the feet. It's it's cool, right, Like, that's why we that's why we run them. And and anyone that runs a cell camera, there's very few people that are like, yeah, I'm gonna go by, I'm not gonna run cell cams anymore. They they see it and they're like, this is awesome. I I see where this is going to change the game, and they put it on that immediate mode. Well, the first thing I tell guys, my hunting property is an hour away. So that's not terrible. But I've got a family, I've got kids that play sports, I got a job. I honestly can't get there very much. I mean it's it's a few weeks during the season even at best. And so what I do on my cameras, because I want the most battery life I can get, I put those on. I only have those cameras uploading images to the app or the server, uh twice a day. So twice a day, my cameras are gonna check in and upload those images, whether they got one image or twenty images or thirty, they're only gonna check in twice a day. And the reason that's important is each time the camera connects to the server, so it's a cloud based server every time it's doing that connection, and that's where it's usually using the cellular signal. That is a huge power suck on that camera. It is using batteries at that point. Now uploading the image is relatively you know, untaxing if you will. It's it's using a small amount of power. It's that connecting to the server that's the huge battery drain. So if you can cut that down and have those cameras checking in less often, you're immediately gonna see a giant leap in battery life. Uh And and when I say giant, I mean going from a couple of weeks to a couple of months. It's it's that big of a deal. Um. So that's that's the first thing I tell guys. The second thing is, um, you know, if you're a guy that likes to run videos, um and get videos, these cameras take awesome videos, I mean beautiful quality night and day videos. They've got audio, you know, I fully recommend running it. However, a video is gonna burn batteries like crazy as well that cameras on the entire time. It's it's a big drain on that camera to record video, you know, fifty fifteen seconds at a time. And then if you think about this, every time it's doing it at night, it's also running the flash and and that's a constant on uh So, man, that's that's another big power drain. So videos will drain your cameras. And if you're a video guy, then I highly recommend that you also invest in a solar panel or some kind of external uh power option that is gonna run your camera. If you've got a solar option hook to your camera and it's getting you know, five six plus hours of sunlight a day, you're not even gonna have to change those batteries. You can run that camera connected, immediately, run video. You don't even have to mess with it anymore. So I just I always like to tell guys that because cell cameras do use more power, so you know, go ahead and get a solar option. They're affordable and and just just try it out. And once you see what it does, and you're like, man, I don't even have to go to my camera anymore to mess with it. It's a big deal. And and you know, let's face at gas prices. Uh, and that's a that's a money table and no time uh you know different that. So those two things alone are gonna really imp of your battery. And and you know also you know, if you're on a feeder or a food plot where there's a lot of activity, you know, I would probably take that camera off of like burst mode to just have it do one image, um, because you're gonna see what's coming through. And and like our feeders, you know, we get a ton of doze on them, so I know we're gonna get a bunch of does. So I go ahead and I set the detection to lay up as well, and I might have that running on a minute, you know, so my camera is not just flashing away, you know, taking picks, taking picks. Um, it's getting a little break and and those few things. I mean, if if guys will just tweak those few things I mentioned, um, you know, have it upload twice a day, you know, take it off video mode and and put a detection to lay on there, they're gonna see a giant increase in battery life if and if you don't even want to mess with that, get a solar option, and then then you're done. You don't even have to worry about it. Run it like you to. You know, people think about the battery life thing is like an expenditure, and it definitely is, because batteries aren't cheap, especially good ones. But the intrusion factor of of not having to go in and mess with your cameras so as you you know to uh, for one thing, check the card, right, because that's what the benefit of us of a cellular camera is. But too, like it will do you a lot of good to have a cell cam if you're going in every month to put new batteries in it, you know, or I guess it still does, but it's not as beneficial as it is like being able to eve one out six months with no worries, right, So like it's a huge part of it not having that intrusion of going in there and messing with that thing. Oh absolutely, I mean I I run my cameras, like I said, on feeders in the wintertime when you've got cold weather, so that that works against those alkaline batteries more too. But you know, I'm only changing batteries even without a solar option. Gosh, I'm going you know, three months, several months, uh, and I'm getting uploaded images every night every day, so I'm keeping tabs and I'm not going in there to mess with it. In fact, really, I kind of just uh, you know, I'll just change those batteries when we go fill that fear. You know, we and we have a long season here, so um, you know, we may fill that feeder to probably three times in a season and and I'll just swap batteries. But I've even got good battery life at that point. That way, we're only going in there once boogering it up a little bit and they were gone, you know. So let me ask you this on that battery saving thing as well. Uh, just this the p I our sensitivity matter too much, you explained to us, Hildy what that meant. Does that change as far as just how many pictures your camera takes or how sensive it is? Does that help with that any? Yeah? So this time of year, yes, that that can absolutely help. So again you're you're able to adjust that, you know, and this time of year, um, if you've got camera and it's out in the open and it's getting sun beating down on grass or leaves, things like that, and those are blowing. That's where you're gonna get those images. And you're like, man, there's nothing in this. Why is this happening? And the reason this time of year that's a factor is p I R is you know, we we call it motion detection just for ease of you know, explaining it. It's like, Okay, something walks in front of it, triggers a picture. I can grasp that. But what that What that p i R center is actually doing. It has um quite a few points that it's actually measuring the ambient air temperature, so it's it's getting a reading and average of the air temperature. And it's it's using multiple points. It's not just like one spot out there. And what it's doing is when something passes in front of that camera with a you know a difference in temperature, it's telling that camera or to snap a photo. Well in the summertime, when the ambient temperature it maybe ninety degrees whatever, Well, when that sun is beating down on the you know, metal or plastic side of a feeder, that's getting hotter when it's hitting those blades of grass and leaves and things that are gonna move in and out of those zones. That's actually the surface is actually hotter than the ambient air temperature and you're getting those triggers. So what you can do, especially this time of year, is just put that sensitivity on low and that's gonna help reduce those images that are you know, false images that are getting taken. And so that's a big thing. And then another thing is, you know, if you're able to try to get that camera located in a in a shaded area. Now I know that's not possible everywhere. Um. Here in Alabama we got a lot of treaties, so it's it's easier to do um. But that does make a difference. Now once you get into the cold months, the fall winter months, that's really you see those false trader They don't happen much. You don't see it because you know, the sun, like you guys are talking about, you can see the sun sets, there's a difference in the angle well that that sun isn't near as intense, right, so it's not heating up the surfaces of things like it does in the summer. And you don't really experience that. So it's it's you can set that p r R up at a higher higher rate then yeah. So, um, I think I have an understanding of this, but I think you're gonna be able to help me a little bit more. Um, when a camera is uploading an image or it's trying to connect to the server server, I'm kind of unsure this. Uh, it actually isn't taking pictures when it's doing that. Is that correct? It is? So another advantageous thing to sit in the camera to where it's you know, twice a day upload is that it's able to always capture. If you said for immediate and say you don't have great service where the camera is, uh, you can run some issues where you're missing, dear, just because it's just the nature of what a seal camera has to do to be able to upload an image, right, You're absolutely right, And it doesn't matter what you're running that that's how a cell camera works. And that's a great point because you know, you will have guys that will set up their regular camera next to their cell camera, you know, I mean it's just that they're testing it our right, and nothing wrong with that. That's that's great, but then they'll come back and say, man, these cell cams don't pick up near as much as my regular cam, Like, you know, I've got a hundred images here whereas I've only got you know, and these are arbitrary numbered, but fifty, you know, sixty, you know it's missing a lot. Well, they're not wrong, it is missing. But then when you ask the question, hey, what do you have your upload set to? Oh, I got it on the media, Well, every time it snaps a photo, when it's in immediate mode, it instantly starts that connection with the erber, and while it's doing that, it cannot take another image. So it's got to finish that cycle out of the connection, go back into its regular mode, and then it can snap another image, and then then it's gonna do it all over again. So anything moving in front of that camera during that connection phase is not going to be captured. And that's another huge reason for running it on fewer times a day on your uploads. Absolutely so, is that during the upload and the server connection, that that both. Anytime it's doing that either one of those, that's what's happening. Yeah, yeah, So once it once it starts the connection process, and it connects and it's uploading. It won't take any images until that connection is done, and then it it shuts off the cellular connection and then it's back into you know, trigger mode at that point. Yeah, So does that mean it's advantageous to try to hang a camera in the best service you possibly can as long as it's you know, within the area of you know, where you feel good about getting the pictures you want, oh for for sure. And and don't get me wrong, where I hunt we we Uh it's rural, it's very a lot of terrain, a lot of hills. It's at the end of the Southern Appalachians and uh so we have we have pretty spotty cell service there and I get all my images. So, yes, you're correct, it may be that it takes longer to upload. So like to your point, if if your cell signals weaker, it's gonna take longer during that connection phase, so you will miss longer periods of times where it's not taking a picture. Um and then and then everything is just gonna operate better if you can get that camera in an area where it's got a stronger signal. So let's talk about the signal a little bit because that's I know, that's a big question. We get it a lot um, you know, just in messaging and stuff. Uh um, talk about maybe best ways to you know, make sure that you have good service in an area and maybe different features that can help you just get the best cell service that you can in uh in an area. Yeah, well in the easiest way. I mean, look, there there's maps online. We have them on our uh you know website that showed the coverage zones for A T and T and Verizon. Um. But you know, like I do, in a localized area, you might have terrain features that are blocking cellular coverage when you're you know, down in a valley or something and it's like, man, this is this is the spot, this is where I need a camera. So you know, it's it's sometimes those maps it's hard to go off of, right it it's it's not gonna necessarily be true in every spot. But you know, the general rule, if you have a cell phone and you're on a hunting property, you know which you know which service gets the best coverage. And if you've got your phone and you're in an area, if you can place a call out of there, you're gonna you'll be fine. You will absolutely be fine to run your camera there. If you can get a text out of there, you're gonna that. I mean, that's kind of the way I use it. UM, Like, at my place, Verizon is the best. So I have a Verizon phone anywhere I can get a text out. I may not even be able to place a call, but I can get a text. I'm getting my images from that spot, and I don't have any trouble there, So that cell phone test is a good one. But you know you were mentioning. We have a new camera out. That was one of the things when this camera was being designed. UM it's the new cameras called the Edge for Multremobile. We design that to kind of help out and eliminate that that issue. So the Edge actually will run on multiple cell carriers, and when you turn it on and in your hunting spot wherever you're gonna hang it, that camera start searching right away for the strongest cellular signal for that area, for right there, and it will automatically pick the strongest one and connect to it. So you may be on verizing a T and T you know, T Mobile. You don't know what it's gonna be on, but it's gonna select the one that's the strongest. And you know another question we get when it comes to that, it's like, well my cell phone's Verizon. Well this camera work absolutely because it's all through multre Mobile. So it doesn't matter who your cell phone provider is it. It doesn't. This isn't going on your cell phone build. And so that's one of the new features that I like, and that's gonna help guys out. And the other thing it does it doesn't pigeonhole a guy into selecting one carrier. So like our our Delta base model that's out right now, you know you have to select that UM upfront. Do you want Verizon to you want a T and T So you really gotta know going in like, hey, I know I need Verizon. I know I need a T and T UM. But with that new Edge camera, you don't have to worry about that anymore. You just buy the Edge. It'll find the strongest signal for you. Dude. That's my that's a dream scenario for my dad. He's the guy man that like you know, he sends me, Uh, why isn't you know on x UM A lot property lines working on my app, and I'm like, when's the last time you updated your on X app? It's like, uh never, Okay, well you might do that and your iOS while you're at it. You know what else is a dream scenario on that is at that edge doesn't have a lot of buttons. Oh yeah, like that's the camera is Like it looks different than the other ones that that you have had, you know, the other multi mobile cameras, and it's kind of more streamlined. It's got some other design stuff right, No, you're right. And so the first thing our guy is getting um when they go into to design a new camera is how can we make it more user friendly, easier to operate, easier to set up. And the way we know what to look at and do is because our customers tell us and we listen to what they say. And look, we've got customers and and I'm one of them. I man, I'm not a techie guy. If we just get down to it, I just needed to work. I need it to be easy. I don't really want to use my brain a lot, you know. And and and so the cameras are great. You've got to switch on off and then you've got one button that you can hold down to take a test photo. When you set that camera, have right to the app so you can make sure you got that thing set up properly. That's such a big deal, man, That test photo thing is like a huge addition because it's you know, you don't want well, let me say this way, I don't want a cell camera that has an LCD screen because that's another thing to run battery down. Right, it's another thing that costs more money, it's weight, it's all kinds of stuff, right, And why do you need that when you have like a almost thousand dollar phone in your pocket where you can see into the picture too, and then you can just use everything on the app, you know, And it's just it's that's pretty ideal to be able to just press that button and get a picture. Well, it's it's huge because then you know, you know, then you can adjust your camera and hey, once you do that, press it again. Make sure you got it, like, don't leave until you got it, you know, like you want it, and and the other thing that does it tells you it gives you the confidence, Hey, this camera there is enough cell signal here for this camera to send images out, so it not only helps you set it up. It gives you that assurance before you leave, like, hey, this is gonna work here because you know, the one thing that you gotta have you do have to have enough signal to transmit out on a cell camera, right, so you know, if there's not a cell signal there, it's it's not going to transmit. Yeah we can do yeah, right, and there's nothing we can do that's right, man. It's gonna take some petitions to make that change. So the battery situation is a little different on the new camp to right. Yeah, So you know it's it's got a couple options. So it's a it's a tray feature, so it's not like built into the house anymore. It's got to drop down tray and the it will hold. You can put eight batteries on one side and pop that back in and that cameras running at pete performance. It's great. Or it's got another side for eight more batteries. You can pop into eight more and run sixteen and increase that battery life, you know, double that battery life. That way you can stay out longer, have that camera running longer without going in there. So you know, we like to give guys the option. You know, some folks see and say sixteen batteries, like crap. You know, that's a lot of batteries. And it's like, well, you don't have to run. You can run eight. It'll run just fine on eight. You're just gonna get longer battery life running the six teams. So you know, it gives the user options that that's where it's nice. One thing I think is neat about the removable battery tray. And you haven't advertised this, so, uh, you can tell me I'm stupid if you want to, but I'm still want to say it. I think you could probably buy maybe some battery trades from y'all if you're the kind of guy who has a lot of cameras, pre fill those things, and instead of having to sit there and and sort all your batteries out and all, you can just swap battery trays or so you have one extra one laying around. You know, you don't have to sit there because the battery trade comes out. You can just pop the fresh one in there and take the other one with you, dump the batteries out when you get home. It's like a loaded clip and a handgun exactly. I think they're pretty sleek. No, you're You're absolutely right, and that is something that uh will be offered. I you know, the the new Edge camera just launched last Monday, so I think and I'll check while we're talking, but um, I don't know if if those are available right now, but yes, we have those are going to be available. Um, you're gonna be able to get those for the new Edge camera. Yeah, that'd be pretty slick. All right. So let's talk about the Apple a little bit too, because that's the whole thing. That's the kind of the the axle of how these things run. Right, You're not. It ain't two thousand and eighteen around here, right, Guys were in the twenties now, all right. So whenever you you get pictures, it doesn't come to your email. It's all run through the Multary Mobile app. And we use this thing and honestly, it's probably one of my favorite things about the Multary mobile system. It's what kind of seems to set you apart. Where No, Lie Casey's on Multary Mobile app more than on Instagram, Facebook of it, like, and that's when he's a TikTok fan now too. So no, no, no, I'm just good at it. I hate it. I'm good at it, but uh that's right. Uh uh yeah, I'm a good dancer. But um it's man. When you start running a decent amount of cameras and that's you know, you can afford a decent amount of these things. They're not like three in dollar cameras like that used to be with the cell cams. You know. Like there's some features on the app that really help you with that stuff. And the first thing I really like is the uh the tags, right or what are they called? Uh, there's the species tags pretty much right, Yeah, I mean multre Mobile we call them smart tags. Yes, it's it's species recognition. It's it's artificial intelligence software that's built in automatically scans every image that uploads gets scanned through it and it picks out the individual animals in it, whether it's a deer, a buck, a turkey, a hog, bear you know. There. I mean, it's it's quite a few. In fact, I mean it's got people and vehicles as well. So we have we have customers that use as purely as ah, you know, security option on their remote properties or where they got their RV park because you can set up notifications for the for these smarter tags, So if a person or vehicle shows up in an image and you know you're gonna get the notification that says that, and you know you you've got you can react at that point where it call the authorities whatever, you know. Yeah, yeah, man, it's pretty cool. The other thing that's nice on on that that I use a lot is like the safe searches thing because I got cameras in in a couple of states right now, and that's not applicable for every guy, but you know a lot of people are at least hunting more than one property, and you can, you know, get on and see what's going on at ex property or why property. You know, I got one that's uh the farm, and I just go look at that thing because it's not the cameras were hunting hogs on. But I want to know what's going on at the farm right now, so I can go see, you know what deer showing up and I don't have to go through and select the specific camera. It's pretty nice to be able to do that. That's awesome. And you know that that's one that that I have not really taken advantage of myself. So I'm gonna have to go check that out. Oh it's it's super cool man. It's it's right there. You know, whenever you start selecting cameras or whatever, it's like you select like the right uh you know, I don't know, drop down or whatever, and you can go in and say the search. I got one that's Texas Public, and I got one that's the farm, and uh can see what's going on in different places. I like it. That's cool. So there's, um the new edge. Also one thing that you guys are getting rid of. And you may have mentioned this, um, but uh, the SD card is a is no longer a thing. It's kind of mind blowing. Yeah it is. And and I'll be honest, that's gonna take some folks getting used to because what we've we've all been trained. If you run a digital cell camera or digital camera, I mean, you gotta have an SD card. And so that that's the one that that you know probably is gonna be like is that better? Or is that and and here's why it's better again. It all goes back to when our guys are engineering a new camera, they're trying to make it better than than anything before. It needs to function better, it needs to be more user friendly. Well, when when folks call up and and talk to a customer service and they say, you know, hey, um, you know my camera's not connecting. Well, our team they they've got they can go on the logs, they can look at all these different codes and it tells, hey, here's what's wrong. And the overwhelming majority of the time it's an SD card issue. Now, that could be the wrong SD card was purchased, it could be the SD card has been corrupted. You know the SD cards are you know, they make those like potato chips. I mean, there's a lot of things that can go wrong. But they're saying it's fun. You guys are experienced it. You pop one in, it's it's a new one, and it's like, why isn't this working? Well, it's those s D cards can be corrupted, or they may just need to be formatted, or you know, you accidentally while it's in your pocket, you you click that little lock tab down. Well, guess what, it's not working. It's not gonna work at that point. And so we it's usually an SD card issue when there's a connection issue. So that's why our team removed that because that was the pinch point, that was the pain point, that's where so many troubles arise. And so they got rid of that. So now you're not even worrying about that. It's internal memory, it's not getting corrupted, it's not you know, you didn't buy the wrong SD card. And I mean, you know, at the end of the day, the new edge camera is is a hundred bucks nine and now you don't have to buy a fifteen SD card to go in it too, and you're saving people a penny on that a dollar deal, you know. And and also well another thing that Casey made a great point about this and and I didn't think about it until them, but it's a good point for us that hunt public land. Uh, the the thing that we always worry about is stolen cameras, right, But as much as anything, I have heard so many people say this. It's like, man, the camera was like a eighty or ninety dollar camera. You know, it's not the end of the world. But the SD card was sitting in there for two months and now I don't know what was in there. And I spent you know, time and effort and sweat and all this stuff going in a mile to hang this camera. Well, there's no SD card to steal, then they're gonna have a hard time stealing your intel, you know what I mean? You got it. Yeah, it's on your phone. So it's a it's a good thing, you know. Yeah, And I mean you're right, and yes, the camera gets stolen, that that really stinks. But there there's no way for them to to get that info out of there. Um. But but you're gonna have it all. It's gonna be all uploaded to your app anyways, um, you know. And and one thing we get a lot of questions with with the no SD card, you know, we the camera has been out a week, so we're getting the questions coming in. It's like, well how do I get my you know, high res images and videos and stuff off of it. I always just pulled us D card. Well, all that's still coming to the app, and you would just request those. So if if you've got a really nice image or something you wanted to zoom in on, you just hit that high res request and your that's gonna come in next time it checks in. Same with the video, you're gonna get that thumbnail of what the video is, you know, is it a nice book? Is it does it look like a cool scenario something getting chased, you know, or is it a predator? You know, something you might want to see the video on? Um you just click upload and you'll get that video sent to you. And and I had one guy, uh I was talking to yesterday. You know, he's on the the Standard plan and that has uh, you know, per month, it's like ten video uploads. And he's like, well what if I you know, He's like, man, that so I can only upload ten videos? I said, Well, I said, in the standard plan that every month you get ten, I said, but for a dollar, you can get a fifty additional video uploads for that. So I mean literally for a buck, you now have fifty more. And then you know, if you're on an unlimited plan, then you just upload away. Dude. You bringing back to old track phone days back in high school. You know, you pay ten dollars and get a thousand text mess whatever is good times back then. So man, that's right, especially if you got a brand new girlfriend. You know, I know, man that girls are expensive back then. It was like still they still are, for sure. They just have access to your bank account. Now, that's right. Um, so let me ask you this to mark uh conditions whenever bucks are active or real important two people. And I know you know it's pretty standard on all cell camps, right and especially Moultre Mobile. They have all kinds of different stuff on your Moonhase. I was gonna mention this because we have we have a guy you talked about potato chips earlier. We have this guy named Hunter who likes to call his SD cards chips um, which you know that sounds like something that at least sixty year old would say, but he's twenty six or whatever. Anyway, he's a he's a big moon phase fan. So like I was, I was thinking the same thing, casey, like is that stuff programming to the camera or is the camera actually bouncing this like a local weather data down to like the most the closest weather station to the camera. Yeah. So so these cameras and you know, you're probably getting a little too technical for me. You're wastearter. We well, we hire people waste smarter and work on the stuff. So you know that's why I sleep good at night because we got legit people on this stuff. Um. But what basically, so that camera it does it? It has that data, so it doesn't it doesn't have it's not pulling weather info. But you know the moon phase is you know, it's it's a set thing. It's constant, yeah, over time, you you know. So it's it's built in so the camera knows what what's the moon phase that's going on. But the temperature that that's something that's you know, that sensor is in the camera, so it's it's pulling that barametric pressure. That's a sensor that it's pulling from. So so it's bringing in that data. So every time you have an image upload, it's carrying that data with it. So you've got you've got also, i failed the time of day, right, You've got a time on there. So you've got time of day, you've got moon phase, uh and you've got temperature. And so the multremobile has a feature inside to a called activity charting, and that's a really cool feature. What it does is it pulls that dot in that we're talking about. It feeds it into these these graphs like like pie charts or bar graphs, real easy stuff to see. It's got nice color, you know, it's like a picture book, right, and uh so it shows the activity off of your cameras and it lays it out. So there's one graph that shows time of day, so it's gonna show peak activity based on time. It's got another that's showing the moon phase through the month. It's gonna show you activity based on that. And then the other one is temperature, so it's gonna show you temperature ranges where that activity. So you can start putting puzzle pieces together, and on activity charting, you can select a date range so you know, say like, hey, I was busy this week. I really didn't get a chance to pay attention to my images coming in or even if you were, you forget day to day what the weather was doing. You can put in like say you're five days your last five days, and you can get our activity read out for those three things. And the other cool thing you can go in there and you can use the smart tag feature. So now you say, okay, you know it's it's it's getting to the rut. I don't care about you know, you know the movement of raccoons and does whatever it does up. I want to know what the heck the bucks have been doing. Well, click on buck and that's gonna give you a read out of activities only for Bucks, and so you know those are those are the things that inside the app that that just changed the game. Um. You know, if all you wanna do is is look at the images and see what's coming through, you can absolutely absolutely do that. But if you're one of these guys that really get in and they're following the weather and stuff and like activity charting, you don't have to be a scientist or a meteorologist to figure this stuff. Foul. It does it for you and you're just like, dang, look man, there you know the last few days they're moving at ten o'clock in the morning that you we need to be hunting mid day. You know, it's a scary thing to do. Yeah, it'll work. It's so cool, you know, like, uh, we're we're looking at this stuff while you're talking about it. And and so I what I would suggest is if you're listening to this podcast that if you don't have the app, would be good to get it, um and just to look through some of this stuff. But especially if you do have the app while you're listening to this, go back and listen to it even and look at the stuff that he's talking about here. It's it's insane. We're looking at some of the stuff and like buck movement around uh, some of our cameras right now, and it is it's cool man, Like there's a we're looking at the moon phase right now and there's like a uh the well almost like movement around this like uh waning. Yeah, anyway, it's like it's cool, dude, It's it's really good stuff. And you know it's just if you're listening and you're sitting there thinking this Mark, Oh, this guy sounds a pretty like a pretty nice guy. They actually is like this is Mark is one of the coolest best. I mean, we appreciate your friendship man, what you guys do, and and just like your commitment to just making the product easier for people to use and better. I mean, it's a commitment to making honey hunting easier. And as much as people want to talk about conservation and how you know, putting more wildlife on the landscape is important, the experience that the user has while they're out there is very much a a huge part of whether they are retained as a hunter. You know what I mean, Like, if we're not having fun while we're out there, it's a it's drudgery. You're not seeing anything. It's not there. I mean there's a lot of people who just kind of like to do it a little bit that are just gonna quit and go play games or do something different, you know, getting to church league softball or whatever, you know. So we this this is this is a commitment though to to uh, you know, hunter retention. I guess as much as anything. And I appreciate what you guys do. I appreciate, like I said, your friendship and uh, you guys have really worked on making a product better and better in just a short time a couple of years that we've been using the multi camera Multure mobile cameras. So um, we appreciate you. Man. What's the best way for people? I mean, you can actually download this app for free, right and take a look around on it. Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. So if you just go to the you know, the the I two or you know, the app store wherever you go to get your app and search multre Mobile and download that. It's completely free and you don't even have to set up on account. So just download it and then if you scroll down you'll see a button on there it says demo hit that demo and that is actually tied to uh, you know, a half dozen dozen cameras that are up out on hunting properties now and so you can actually use it. That that is the full fledged all the features in the app on that demo version. So just like you said, you can use the activity charting, you can use thisation and all that, um and and the other thing I want to say, you know the app is free even when you create an account, and all these features are free, So we don't you know, species recognition, you don't have to pay us extra money per month to use that. It's yours to use when you download the app, and you know, all of these features are free. And the other thing is your images or your images we value that. We don't delete images off of here, So again we're not asking you for extra money just to keep your images. Those images live there two seven their years. We don't mess with them. Hey, season's over, you cancel your your subscription because you're not hunting anymore. Well, all of that's still available to you. So that that that's just the freedom of of using the Multure Mobile system. And yet anyone out there that's looking at self. Cam's interested. Just just go download the demo and check it out. I think you'll see how Man, I could really see how this could really help me on my hunting, you know, whether that's on private or public. Yeah, man, I I think it's awesome. And we really appreciate what you guys do, like I said with the app, and uh, just who you are, man, your friendship is has been good man, and we we hopefully one day we'll be able to catch some croppy over there in Alabama or something together. You know, I would, I would love it, or or heck, I'll come out there and shoot some skew or some of them hogs with you guys bring it on, they bring it. Yeah, now that's that's great stuff, man. And uh, you know, I'm hoping that this is helpful to people as they go into this season, because, um, you know, world's busy, and this kind of stuff right here is what helps us to just maximize time away from our families and and even with our families, you know, and just you know, if you've got kids, setting them up on a place that has good at activity is what we want, right and knowing that going in, man, that's good absolutely. And and just one final thing. I was on my out last week and believe or not, I had a big old black bear on camera. And I've never seen a black bear anywhere I've hunted in Alabama ever in all my years. So like even this time of year, I know we're looking at at antlers and everything like that, but you just don't ever know what's gonna come across. It's that's awesome, that's cool. Man. Well, hopefully the first real big foot will end up on a multimobile camera. We'll send I'll get a highr up, please send it to us. Man. Well, we appreciate you coming on and helping us through this thing, man, and uh, you know, best to luck this year. I'm sure we'll be talking more. Hey, thanks guys, I really appreciate it, and I wish y'all all the success and stay safe this fall. And that is how you use cell cameras to kill big bucks. Guys. Uh, like we're saying, well, we goo that actually happened in Oklahoma. Be pumped for that film. It's gonna be sick. And by the way, I was wearing a first Slight catalyst jacket and a first Light hoodie in there and probably a Brooks Down as well. Those are all pieces you can find on sale for the first Slight season openers. I know I felt like better about it, um, but guys, that's it's good gear. We use it, we love it, and uh, you need good gear because your gear is gonna help you stay out there chasing the deer longer when it's cold, and right now is the time to get it because it is on a discount, So remember to go do that. 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