00:00:00 Speaker 1: Hey, I'm Tyler and I and you're listening to v Element podcast Felping Young Club has been locking our stuff like you. I think it's because old Bill or whatever his name is, whatever her name is, name is not I'm just a bill. What's happening, y'all? We are sitting in r V. We started out podcasting in r V that I used to Elk steaks and we'd podcast. We started filming in together, and uh, you shot at Elk that year. We did a podcast after you shot the Elk that never aired, and at this point, I don't know if we had that filing anymore. That's it. I don't know that one that I did when I was on the road. Yeah, oh that's terrible. Yeah, the audio from was pretty bad. We decided we were gonna do some practice podcasts. What we decided we're gonna do some podcasts, and they ended up being practice podcast because they were so bad. But we uh, we're back in an r V. We're not cooking elk steaks. Um. We didn't kill an elk last year, but we've been talking a little bit about maybe trying to kill an elk year. We just might do it. Just money. We gotta put in and try to draw something. And that's the that's the one thing that doesn't work after my personal experience, it's self filming a elk hunt. You're gonna sell film some hocking and then you're gonna sell film some elk britrand. That's how that's gonna go. But one thing you can sell film and one thing that a guy doesn't really will. His name is Chris b. He self films really well and not only does he sell film, but he self kills a lot of big deer, so he does. We on the podcast today, Chris has uh become a bro for sure. Uh. We're talking about a lot of stuff off air. That was, dear friend. I wish you that's right. I wish we could let hell in on that, but they happening. So sorry. But yeah, we did a lot of filming this year, ourselves, UM Tyler and I filmed a lot more than we thought we would sell filming. Um and both killed some pretty big deer self film and I killed a Kansas buck sellfilm and you killed Texas public buck self filming Kansas public for shock factor most most this year, and so like I was making people think that I was gonna kill it on film, and then the last second making sure it wasn't in the frame elbowing and stuff. I like to el camera. Gosh, man, so y'all haven't seen that one yet. I self filmed, uh killing the Kansas Buck, and I'm gonna go ahead and spoil it. But uh uh I elbowed the camera. So what happens when you wear a gorilla suit in the tree? You don't even feel like? I had no clue. I had to watch it later on before. There's some sick footage from that. I'm excited for that to come out of. It'll be a little while think actually, but that's gonna be good. I actually had the deer at five yards in the frame, so like it wasn't that I didn't get good footage of him or not. I tell you something, anytime a deer is closer than fifteen yards, it's just it's when it goes from cool too bad really honestly, like he's like please please go away. You know you're not sure if anything is going on at all, Like you have no clue that like how tight your boody hole? It is? The wrong? Just like quiet that day? Um Yeah, there, that's it's it's actually a cool video I put I had the whole thing put together, but it'll probably be a little while for release it. Considering our friend Mr Michael Presswood, so I said that nobody cares about deer hunting right now, and so we're gonna We're gonna go ahead and uh say, you're probably right, man. We've been releasing some video stuff and all that. Make sure if you're listening and you haven't heard of us before, you subscribe to the podcast and you subscribe to the YouTube channel. That's the way to see and hear more from us. Um YouTube stuff will be linked down below in the descriptions. You can go check out those hunts. We're talking about some some big do you hear the ground? So it's pretty fun stuff. Yeah, it was awesome, man. I actually got my my mount back from Illinois buck giant, giant. I've forgotten like and it's crazy, man, Like I think some people had either forgotten or just didn't quite realize or whatever. But that buck is huge. I mean, there wasn't a ton of footage of the deer there. It's kind of a little bit of a speck in the corner before he ran to a spot where he was out of the frame and got shot and that was not self film. So I'm not gonna take the blame for that one. I've taken the blame for a lot of them right now, but um yeah, that one, that one wasn't my fault on the filming side. But it's okay, intently it was. That's true. That's true. No, No, I wouldn't anyway, Big Dear died and that was cool. So and I still haven't seen them out yet, which I'm kind of sad about you tease me and saying you might put in my house and I would have, but um, I laid it in my parents house and they have a dog, and I was like, ooh, I'm definitely not gonna keep this thing on the floor in here, so I moved it out to my dad's little hunting room where when I Jack is sitting. This is what makes this is what makes your hit this Illinois by really yeah? Uh. What makes me sick is that one. I Jack has never been in my house and I killed that deer in If that tells you something, it tells you that I have not had a house. And if you can long time, a long time. So UM, yeah, I'm sad about that, but I got one we're building that we're gonna have hopefully finished up sometime in the hopefully early summer. Yeah. I start thinking about the things I have left to do, and like, I don't have a ton of things left to do, really, it's just tedious to get them done in the right thing is ting up all the luciens is what takes long. It's like, you know, I've built some houses, you're self contract in this thing. It's like colleague, just lining people up is you know, you know, once you get the you feel like once you get in the dry you're like halfway done. It's like, no, you're six the way down. When it comes to actual time, what stinks is like the I like contact somebody, I'm like, yeah, go ahead and put me on schedule. Three weeks later, you hadn't heard from him, and like I would almost guarantee you they forgot to put you on the schedule. And so you hit them up and they're like, oh, yeah, yeah, well the weather has been bad, so I'm behind. Probably can get to you in like ten days, maybe two weeks something like that. Let's shoot for this day. And then it's like another four days after that usually, and so it ends up being like five weeks before something. You're like these my dad says it, but like a lot of these guys, they're not businessmen. They are Tradesmen's right, Yeah, that's right. But anyway, it's at least our taxidermist is prompt when he he is. Yeah, he does a good job. He uh you know, of course I shot that deer before the wave of deer comes and deer in October. You get it pretty quick. What happens if you shooting in late November. It sounds like the book gets thick real quick. I shot on in early November. That ended up getting submitted with your dear because he went to the Frazer in late November, and uh, he's gonna be That means we can both probably pick those up at the same time. That'll be fun. We could do a selfievid, Yeah, we should. We should document that going and picking up both of those deer or whatever and put it on YouTube or whatever. That'll be kind of fun. Yeah, t d P. Yeah, we should put then on the shirt. Yeah, an old T d P. It's one of my favorites. Anyway, the uh, the podcast today is all about self filming. And so like Casey said, Chris does it well, Um, I have done it well. I on this on the other hand, in this year, I did not, Um. But you know, some years are better than others. And for me, I had a lot of big deer in my in my sights this year, and so it was hard for me too, you know, like I've killed a lot of big deer. But but that's not like a humble brag or anything. I'm just saying. I'm I'm making a point here that like I've hunted Kansas a long time. I've shot some big deer there. But on the place that that I've shot a lot of those deer, there's been some some monsters that I haven't really even had a chance to hunt because I've been kind of the low man on the totem pole on that place. And so like I kind of take whatever's left over. Um, I usually have ended up in the past chasing a deer that's a big hundred thirty five inch eight point or whatever that's old late in the season or whatever it might be. You know, like some old deer. I've shot some big oldest buck ever. Um. And so like I end up chasing those deer late in the season or whatever, and and I've and they're they're big, Like, you know, I've got a six point that might make Pope and young. I mean he's twenty two inches wide. It's huge, you know, Like, but um, as far as like you know, kind of world class or if you were to score what ever, then I haven't shot just a ton of you know, giant deer. And so I ended up, you know, shot the buck in Illinois, which was probably it's definitely a top three buck for me, maybe top two buck score wise, and then frame wise, top two buck for sure. And then um, is he your other big buck also an eight Yeah that I got. The other one of the top two you're talking about is also an eight point. Yeah, he's a hundred and fifty four in h point. Yeah. I'm ready to get them beside each other, because look, they're different frames they are I want to see, like, because that deer always when I looked at them all together, that that at other eight point was like I was so impressed, Like I could not walk by them and go like, that's probably the most impressive deer I have on the law. That's an archery book or a riffle. So you have two big riffle bucks to right one. So I thought there was a ten point that was also riffle, but you have another big tin point too. I have a my other big deer, biggest deer, the biggest deer I've shot before this year, which it may still be, but like score wise is a he's a main frame ten but he's got split G two's on both sides that are identical. And that was a bow buck. Yeah, um, and he has a split brow I think, so he's thirteen but um yeah. So like then the other buck that I shot the share here, you know in Texas, well, shot two bucks in Texas, one on public that was you know, one of my biggest bucks, um, you know, probably top five or something like that, top seven. Uh. That like you know for a public land buck in Texas is just ridiculous. So it's like it's one, it's one of those those. And then the buck that I shot, you know here more closer to home, is like probably my biggest buck ever or very close to it. And it's like, how do you, uh, how do you just forego the chance to shoot that deer because you have to get him in the frame, you know what I mean. And I just had had some happenstance things go go uh the other way, and didn't get him in frame. But dude, quite a lot of cool pre role with most of them, like and twice this happened to me this year. But I would get to full draw and then it's like you're pretty much where you are, and both times I try to knock the camera with a bow. You know, it just doesn't work very good, you know, But that's kind of the thing, is like, uh, you know, you you wanna time it to where you're drawing when the deer is coming into the frame. That way he's center frame when you're shooting. But that's just not how real world works sometimes, you know. And uh, Chris talks a lot about the details on this thing, but anyways, we probably just let him tell us as opposed to us talking all about it. He'll have all the good ideas. Yeah, So anyways, well we'll get Chris on here if you guys, if you haven't be sure in suscribe, we really really appreciate that stuff. It helps us out of ton. So let's see, uh, or probably can't see since of the podcast we're gonna hear what Chris has to say about self filming. Alright, So now on the phone is Chris B. Chris. We've been talking a little bit before we actually went live on this thing. And there's a cool stuff happening in your world right now. But you are are you were on a laptop recently? Is the day to day life pretty boring and interior right now? Uh? Yeah, been been uh kind of expanding, I guess lately dumad hunting season tournaments are starting. Yeah, a lot of cookies, tacos man expansion for sure. Yeah right right, that's what happens when you get all you know, cuffed up and happy. You know you've got to expand in different way. I guess I'm expanding in different ways. Got you business expansion. Um. But Mitchell need uh he did quite a bit of my film and last year. Um, he's actually working full time for me now yeah, so that will I mean it already has that we been chugging away. He's he just started like a week ago. So um, he's catching up on videos and I've been able to focus on some other stuff. And that'll be awesome going forward this next year to have someone kind of like right hand man to to work on stuff. And absolutely that's super super exciting. Um. Yeah, so just trying to trying to you know, keep the growth going and try to you know, dot my eyes and cross my teas and keep going. Yeah, I mean, where do you go from here? You know? I mean you just released a you know, giant buck film in her video and and uh, I mean, do you still have quite a bit of videos coming out from the rest of the season or does that look like Um so, the last part of the season wasn't super super eventful. I ended up shooting one dear in December, I think, so, I think we have two or three videos that Mitch has been working on. Um but yeah, I'm not not super exciting or kind of condensing it all down. I initially was envisioning like several episodes out of them, but we kind of just want to get them out there and get caught up and get moving on moving on other stuff. Sure, so just a couple of videos and then moving into like the off season stuff. Yeah, how many talked about Yeah, how many how many deer did you shoot this year? Or how many uh I guess bucks did you shoot this year? Um? See one, two, three, four, five, six, Wow, it's pretty good. Six or seven? How many were sell filmed? Uh? One too, three, three? It's cool. Man. Man, you did a good job on the self film stuff and we definitely that's kind of what we want to talk about in this episode. It a little bit um, but you mentioned that this kind of spring season, and I guess the offseason essentially for most hunters at least, is coming up, and you're excited about it. What's so exciting about it? Well, for me, I kind of never stopped going full blast because tournaments pick up and uh so the traveling never really stops. Actually, it was just down in Alabama this past weekend to the three D shoot an s A and we got about one a month all throughout the summer um. And then I kind of switched my content over to more like fun and informative educational stuff um and unboxings. We're gonna be rolling out a bunch of lane caster archery unboxings um in the coming months. We're gonna try to shoot for like one or two a month, and uh yeah, it's a it's cool. It's just never ending, honey season. I mean for the outdoor community. I feel like hunting season is such a priority and then the rest of the season is kind of laid back. But for me, it's it's kinda at least moving forward. Hunting seasons kind of be like content. So that's uh, you didn't get to You've got a lot of stuff this time of year. Last year was canceled, right because all the coronavirus stuff. Yeah, I mean a lot of stuff this year was canceled. Um, they're probably canceled the element on YouTube if we keep putting out that dear videos. You know they've been getting on you about that. No, I mean I've definitely had seen some censorship and the shadow bands going really yeah, mainly on Facebook. Yeah, I don't think I've been affected by any of that. I try to. I don't know. I think since my content is super diversifinance, not hunting, I kinda don't get too targeted by that. But I need to I need to bet on a professional archer. I guess I'm definitely the opposite of that. I feel like it times just do do some shooting in the backyard and film. It seems like that's people love that stuff. Yeah, I could just put like three yards shot in the title and it doesn't matter like where the arrow actually goes. Just aim in the air and then measure the distance. That's all I do. We will beat Chris b here. It's a good click paper. I can't. Yeah, it's rot It's actually super easy. It doesn't take much skill. No, I mean I can tell watching your videos. So I we need to have you on. We had you on a long time ago. Um, back when you're like twelve or thirteen, I think, Um, we had you talk talking about how to shoot a bow and some of the thoughts behind that. But we need to get you onto revisit some of that stuff. Yeah, for sure. I mean because like Casey, he's a good shot, no doubt targets you know still and when it comes to fur and you know, live things, it's that you know, all bets are off. It's just I'm sure that you can speak to that more than Betton or anybody. Just because you see a bunch of people. I mean, how many really in the professional world, how many guys are real crossovers where they you know, are shooting. Are they hunt as much as they do target stuff? Um, it depends on what type of target stuff. Yeah. The three D the three D guys, dang near like of them are pretty pretty avid hunters um, and a lot I mean a lot of the top guys are hunters. UM. If you go on the strictly like target stuff more like indoor or world archery stuff, that number, that number drops a lot just because you're dealing with a lot of guys that just strictly shoot target. UM. But yeah, there's I mean for three D theres there's a good amount that us over Is there anything in the target world that inhibits you in the woods, like something you do or that you practice, or that you feel like just because a lot of people would say that that's that's something that's probably good for you overall, and I'm sure you would say the same, But like, is there anything that you can think of? It's like, man, I practice that all year long and then I get in the woods and it's it's it's helped me mess up a time or two, or not shoot as good as I wanted to, or something like that. Um, I don't think it's hindered me at all. UM. If anything like shooting shooting competitions, it just makes me way more confident with hunting bow um. All around, you know, because when you shoot tournament archery in competitions, you you know, you're doing all sorts of stuff to your equipment and learning and shooting and even just volume of arrows that you practice helps when you switch over. Um yeah, no, I think it's tremendously made me a better bowhunor because they shoot tournaments. Yeah, what's your favorite part of that whole season? Tournament season? Um, I've made a lot of friends and relationships through archery. There's a big community around it, kind of different than hunting. When you go hunting, you really don't but maybe besides like your tight knit group that you like go hunting with on the weekends. But when you go to these tournaments, like you you see a lot of people and and I've built some like really awesome friendships around it. So even though that's not archery related, that's like a huge, um, huge plus side to me to stick with it. Um. And then just the competition, Like I'm a pretty competitive person. Um, so that I just like to do that, you know, like whatever it is. Yeah. Um So that to get that drive and that feeling a little bit of a dry on pumping through the veins is uh is always awesome. Um, and then I just like shooting, you know, so there's there's not The only aspect I don't like it is the constant travel and unless you're winning, it's just a money sucker. Yeah. So yeah, I can imagine being like Rodeo or Bassard suh. Yeah, oh yeah, it's no difference. So we uh, we don't know a ton of guys in that world, but we know Rod Wade a little bit. Have you ever gone hit to hit against that guy? Yeah? Rod, I was a couple of targets down from him at this last day essay. Yeah, can you can you out shoot Rod? Can you be? Uh? Rod's really good? It's you can't give us straight and so on that because it's so day dependent or whatever. Like if we looked at the scores, I'm sure there's plenty of days where a Rod shot a higher score than me, and there's plenty of days where vice versa. Um, I do know. I think he was a couple of targets down for me after day one of the A s A. So I think I might have shot like eight up and he might have shot like six up. But good, I don't know shot the same. It's better than when you say those converse. That's good. In that instance, I might have shot like two points better than Rod, but trying, I guess I think he shot way better day two than I did. Rod's Rod's a really good shot and he went to the Olympics and everything. Yeah too, man, he he kills some big deer too. Oh yeah, he shoots giant dude. Yeah, it helps to live in for sure. Yeah, he knows what he's doing. Ye, for sure. Everybody and I does a thing crazy and you hear you pretty much. I would consider you that you know what you're doing. That's it's funny you brought that up. I just moved to Ohio. Are you serious? Yeah, Dan, dude, you know what you're doing. Smart? Yeah, I figured after after my canvas buck, I can't go downhill. Yeah no, you could do that really easily in Michigan probably. Huh. Yeah, I'm just kidding, but yeah, you're kidding about what part. But actually I actually didn't move to Iowa. Man, Um, I'll have to figure out what part, like you on. Yeah, you know, Casey can draw an Iowa tag next year. Yeah, I'm taking about drawing this this year. Yeah, if I don't know I got pretty good. Talk about that later. Yeah, yeah, dude, that's awesome. Man. So when do you get your residency. It takes a few months, so we'll be I'll be good, perfect, you know, come full time. So good man. That's gonna make me very jealous of you in the future. Yeah, it's gonna be interesting. I'm this first year. It's definitely gonna be a good test run to test figure out I'm starting from from ground zero again. Essentially, what's sick? You get to like want the whole state when you move there. Yeah, yeah, that's what's cool man. It's also cool is that, uh you know, you got a pretty serious um other half before you move to because if you moved to Iowa before you are serious with somebody, you're gonna have a hard time. That's the thing. Like besides some family, you know, which obviously was wasn't fun. But uh yeah, I don't have a whole lot of ties self employee can deal wherever, and figured might as well do it an hour or I might regret it some sometime down the Road's right, it's just you and the Amish girls down there. I hear there's a one ninety behind every big old tree, I think so, so you should be set. There's also a pair of handedted blue jeans, right, I don't mind, I don't mind. Yeah, yeah, no, it's all good man. I'm definitely definitely gotta figure out where you live so that I can come on whenever a day, and that's fine. I got a couple of years. I'm not not far away, so well I'm getting depends on the point creep. I guess who knows what's gonna happen there? But uh yeah, I don't know. I heard some guys it was taken five years now to get into Yeah, it took it took me five and two thousand nine. Yeah, yeah, so not getting up in that five and six years just absolutely crazy. But hey, it keeps on hunting good. Yeah, absolutely so yeah, yeah, exactly for sure. The last the last state that's pure, I guess. Yeah, well it's crazy. You go, you know, you just crossed the border south and uh yeah, you know. I mean you can just tell quality changes right away, same genetics. You know. It's nuts. Yeah, that's it is. Well, that's awesome day, it's good news. I mean, and I think I don't know what next year looks like for you. As far as self filming and all that. But I know this year you did a good job of it, man, Like really do uh admire what you were able to do this year. Man, you you did some really um you had some really great frame jobs on some of these bucks and you did a great job. You always do a good job telling the story, keeping people involved. Um. I think every time you are on the podcast, I say something about how I enjoy your YouTube channel as much as anybody else's. But you're sure yeah, Um, it's the truth, man, But you're you know, I think a lot we get a lot of questions because we do a similar thing. We Casey and our self filming a lot. We'd like to spend time in a tree together, but you know, if we have two tags, it's kind of not super efficient. He knows the same thing, you know, him and Caitlin split up, right. Yeah, whenever you are in Kansas, you are two different trees. Yeah, that's what you kind of gotta do sometimes. And so um, a lot of guys may or may not be trying to build a brand or or do something on YouTube, but they may be doing it for themselves, their legacy, for their kids or whatever. It might be, but we get a lot of questions about um self filming, camera gear and all these other things. So we're going to kind of go through that a little bit. But I like the first thing I would like to kind of hear from you about is like, when you go to a tree and you're gonna set up and self film, what does that set up look like? Typically, like as far as like scouting out a perfect tree or camera, and like how are you how are you getting all the camera gear into the tree and then setting it up, and what's advantageous for you? What side of the body, what level? You know? All these different things. Yeah, um So most of the time I try to do the same exact thing, regardless of tree or situation, just to streamline self filming. Efficient Self filming is all about streamline. So you're doing it over and over and over again the same exact way. You don't want to you don't want to try to do something different or you know, try to figure it out every time. Um So I run, I run a muddy I think it's called the muddy muddy hunter arm and I don't even know if they make it anymore, but it's like the beefiest arm that Muddy made, and I've gone through a couple of them, a couple of cheaper ones and flimsier ones, and I always try to shoot for that, like that high production quality. So this one you can you can dang me or hang off the end of it and it's not moving. Um. So anyways, I just carry that in my backpack. Um. I normally carry my camera on a little carabe or clip and clip it to the front draw string in my backpack. Um. Actually a lot of times when I'm filming, like just like the woods or my feet, it's always clipped in with the carabean or clip. What part of the camera are you clipping that? I tie a little piece of para cord around the lens, like the base of the lens, or if you have a cage on your camera, tie a piece of para cord or something kind of It's I mean, I'm sure it's not the best way to do it. There's a bunch of cool like cotton carrier, different carrier things you can put on your backpack. Um, but that's just again another extra step. Um. So anyways, I do that and I climb up in the tree with that hooked onto me majority of the time. Um doesn't get in a way too much. And um So if I'm hunting, Let's say, if I'm running out of like ladder stands in Michigan, my wooden ladder stands, I'll just climb up, carrying my bow in my backpack and everything. Hey, my bow up, swing around my backpack, set it on the seat, and the very first thing, well, I clip in safety artists. But then the very first thing I do is set up my camera arm um. And I always put it. If I'm sitting down on a tree stand, I always put it on my right side nearly as close to my hip as I possibly can. Um. And if you're sitting your elbow almost can rest on it like an armchair. Um. So that's what I do. I keep it super tight. And what that is is if I always try to shoot sitting down, if I'm gonna ladderstand, um, so it keeps my entire left side open. So the camera arms on the right side and it's about right at chin level like the LCD screen, so I can swing all right there. It's like no problem. Um. So that's all set up depends on if I have a second angle or not second angles you can get creative with. I don't really have go to but I've been trying to rock the three sixty go pro clipped onto something, UM and I'll just press record on that and let it run and frame it up and later, and that works really good. Go pros are great second angles. UM. I messed around with a second DSLR like on my bow hook or something, and that's just if you can do it. It's it's better if you have a camera guy for doing that. If you're running solo. I find that a super easy go pro. Just pressure chord once and forget about it is the better way to go. UM. But yeah, that's pretty much my setup. UM. For like a camera, I'm set up wise right on my right hit. If I'm sitting down, camera sits like right in my lap the entire time, so I don't have to like reach for it or anything. And I feel like, um, that has worked best for me. I'm getting kills on film because I always know how the camera's going to react and I can just turn it on real quick and get it on it. UM. I always see guys like try to stand up and then now the cameras they are the camera's weird or wacky. Um. Actually on my Kansas buck, it was such a twisted up tree. My camera was in a wacky spot and I bless you and I so I took the headphones off everything and uh and I almost did get my kids buck on film because it kept going on a level because it was such a crappy tree that was in do you do you means that set up for like your hanging hunt saddle style thing and you put in the camera. That's what I was going to go through next, so saddle. I still haven't perfected it and stuff. Um. Yeah, I think I could perfect it if I went with a different camera arm, like a carbon fourth arrow super light small um, but then I'd probably have to change my camera set up because it would be too heavy. But with my current set up, what I've been doing is putting it actually on my left side of the tree, so kind of like my shooting side, um, and just kind of making that work because I've noticed that I try to shoot sitting down and my optimum shots are like just left of the camera or like straight behind me. Um, imagining that deer are gonna like come from in front of me and walk past me. So that's where out pretty decent um. And that's what my Kansas Buck set up was, and I mean not worked, but yeah, I still haven't. I need to mess around with that more. I don't feel like that might that might not be my final setup. But if I set the camera arm up on the right side of me, then I got to deal with the bridge in the way. Yeah. So like if you your microphone constantly gets hit on the bridge, or if yeah, or if you're kneeling down and you don't want to stand up, like I shoot kneeling down most of the time. Yeah, then the camera then the camera stuck on the right side, so like you, I forced I have to put it on the larst side. Yeah. I think that's that's how I hunted with it. Most of the time. I'm still filling around the same thing, you know, lift side. That's how the Kansas Buck got shot the same thing. But yeah, he pushed it away. It's a shot. It's eliminated the shot for you to put the camera there. Yeah, dude, like if you took another step, I would have been shooting my LCD screen off, you know what I mean, Like it was you came in left or right, you know, it's getting there's that's just one of the things you're into with self film, and you're just gonna have some problematic situations. Yeah, that is You're exactly right about swinging that thing around. You know. It's almost like if we could find, you know, for a saddle guy in particular, you're usually not hanging in a giant tree just because they don't work great for it, you know. So you know, like if you had just a single jointed camera arm that each of the you know, each of the parts were like eight inches long or whatever, you know, it might work a little bit better as opposed to you just end up with a little bit too much there sometimes, you know, Yeah, I don't, Yeah, I don't. I don't know what. And that's what I'm gonna spend some time this summer and really fine tune probably makes some videos on like what I end up doing. Um, but like for a tree stand when you're sitting down, that is the best system I found because it set up I went over and that's that's pretty that's pretty freaking bulletproof. Yeah. That's also so just make note that Chris is a right hander and we're right handers. So if you left hand vice for something. Yeah. Yeah, so that's how we do it too. We we tend to put waist level, you know, on the right side as much as we can. And um, you mentioned that your camera set up might be kind of too heavy for some certain camera arms. Is what kind of run through? What your what your camera is that you're running? So I did a Sony A seven three with a battery grip. Um, I messed around a lot with Mike's. I had a K three M until I broke it, m M. Then I had a regular like road uh Mike Minnie until I broke it. And then I had the UM the new Sony Digital one and I haven't broke that one yet. Yeah, I feel like that one could be an easy one to break though, Like oh yeah, what else. We helped guy Chris and Kansas, but he helped introduce us to the mike, So we're pretty even that I was filming in Kansas actually had COVID at the time, didn't know it. Um I was. I was filming um A uh one of my hunts or whatever, and I posted like all this is a thing with Sony cameras or a guess the A series. But apparently their head or their input jack for the microphone uh tends to get uh short out and get disconnected and not work. And so UM I posted a picture to Instagram on the story or something where it was like, uh, picture of my setup that night, and basically I was running. I still had like the mic in the hotshoe mount, but I had that going into like a zoom h one recorder like a little pocket recorder. And Chris is like, I did the exact same thing. Uh, you messaged me and I was like, Okay, well what are you doing now? Because um and so we ended up buying one. I think on the way hand from that trip it's pretty good. Has it does audio? Yeah, it does a good jobs. Kind kind of expensive, but probably not as expensive as that other mike he had, what was the k um K Yeah, yeah, that one's like nine ucks like h um and that one. That one. The other one is like what to fifty years some yeah yeah yeah. But the K three m we got that so we could run a boom and a mike like a lab mic because it has to to audio ports. So but that that's under warranty. I just haven't sent it back yet. Yeah, that's part of the problem is it, you know, when you're in content production, when are you gonna have time to send stuff back to get fixed? Yeah? Oh yeah, yeah, well there has been multiple times. Were well freaking when we were on Western tour, we bought the K three M in Colorado because we've broke our other one. Yeah, I've had lens overnighted that I broke on out, you know, on some random farmer. We've sent it. We've sent a lens to a random farmer that's someone new because we needed an address when we're out. Yeah, we've done just about everything. Okay, so these are these are set ups for uh, fairly professional you know people, I guess, but uh yeah, and I guess we're mainly talking about you because we're not super professional. The we try to try to make everybody believe it, but we're not. Know. So there's a lot of people that are obviously thinking right now, like I'm definitely not buying a nine dollar bike, okay, Like they're looking like nine bucks on a cameras too much sometimes, so self filming package is what they're going for. Like, I'm sure you get the question, and I don't know, you know, if you even think about this at all if it's worth your time to answer. But like you know, like what is a Do you have any thoughts for people who might be trying to get into it? Just like I said, for that legacy factor or whatever. They just want to have stuff to go back and watch at the to the year, but they're not looking to buy a Sony A sevent three or something like that. Yeah, So I always say, like a great um like entry barrier of entry? How how low can it go? Freaking use your iPhone if you have a if I was just we actually just did a podcast yesterday and we talked about just this like a little bit. But if you have an iPhone eleven or an iPhone twelve, you have better quality than like many basic level DSLRs. So like if you if you just want to like mess around and post the videos and stuff, just like flip your phone landscape, find a camera arm on Amazon that you can screw into a tree or clamp onto a tree and just called a day like there are So have you guys ever heard of Whistling Diesel? That name sounds familiar, So he's like the newest like trending redneck on you too has two million subscribers now like he just does crazy stuff to like trucks and whatever. Anyways, he all the films is on a freaking phone. Yeah yeah, two million subscribers. I follow a gardener out of like Carolina that does like he's got you know, subs or whatever, and he films everything on a phone in his yard. It's like, dude, talk about low entry of barrier or barrier of entry you know. So yeah, so there there's literally like no, there's no freaking excuses, Like everyone has a smartphone. Everyone's at a camera zoom already in their pocket. Like that's that's what you start with. Get a kill on film, film some stuff, and then if you like it, if you think it's gonna happen, then like a handicam, spend eight hundred bucks all internal zoom, internal audio. Um, there's so many different levels of handicams. Four K right up that plug and play. That's probably my best advice. And then from there, like you're probably more in depth and that if you continue to shut up your production that you know, you start researching, figuring out and then that's a huge wormhole. But my my, my best advice, that's how I started. I used like a Samsung stupid phone when I was like fifteen sixteen, and uh, that's how I started filming. I have this like like ten inch little screw into the tree clamp on your phone and just point it. You know, that's all you had. Um, it's cool, man, Yeah, it's ah, you're right. Like I had a guy at church the other day asked me. He was like, man, I need to talk to you after this about like some camera stuff. I'm going to Africa in a mission trip and want to do some interviews over there, and I wanted to be like, dude, your phone, you know, like what Actually, it's like, if you have an iPhone tan, you're better than a lot of cameras out there that you could buy for you know, several hundred bucks or also, I mean just doesn't have a lot to do with self filming. But like people are probably if you're doing interviews and stuff, a lot more comfortable talking to a phone then when you stick a camera in their face, because people like, no doubt, even the coolest catch, you know, they clamb up there used to a camera, Yeah for sure. Man. So it's just when it when it comes down to it, it's just freaking excuses, Like people try to make excuses and think they need better equipment before they can do anything. Oh yeah, but if they're actually going to do something, if they want to do it and they have the tools, you know, that's all that's all they need. Um. So you know, kind of on that note about people doing it on their own. You know, you know, like we uh all grew up watching outdoor TV, so we didn't nobody had a clue, had to tell a story pretty much, is what I'm trying to say. You know, so you know, intro kill shot done, Yeah, you know, uh, you know what do you call it? You know, box store or rock music? Right, So that in there. But like if you want to up your production value instead of spending money on a on a you know, Naser camera whatever, A lot of it is just making sure you document stuff, right. Do you have like a checklist of like what you try to get done every time you head to the tree as far as you know, um, storytelling or do you just kind of come by naturally? I mean I've been self filming for a long time, like everything I until like this year, I have filmed every single hunt I've ever been on since I was like fifteen. So that's a that's a lot of unts um. So over that time you learn as you edit and you're like, I should done this, I should have done that, and you do this next time blah blah blah. So now it's just all kind of second nature. But a good a good thought process to go over it is document what's going on rather than trying to stay stuff. It's like if you're if you're driving to your property, just like, just don't do anything different, to start filming what you're doing. And then you get out of the truck. You just film what you do when you're walking into the stand, just film you're walk into the stand and then get in the stand. Just film you walking getting into the stand, and now you're in the stand, Like it's not right, Like to me, it's not rock science. You literally just document exactly what you're doing, and every time you do something different, just filming. Yeah, transition. Yeah, it's all about. And that's what storytelling is. It's like you're driving and then all of a sudden you're in the tree. You just miss a giant section of the storytelling, you know, so what's real The camera got falling you and you still miss because yeah, that's a whole another one hole in the sense. Yeah, it's they, we has that DESI, Um, this is really good. They Yeah, it doesn't doesn't take much to get stuff get stuff rocking. Um, but yeah, I mean document document verse trying too hard. You know, when you have the when you have the document mindset of just whatever happens, you just film whatever is happening. It's it's way easier to tackle that rather than Okay, I gotta I gotta like do something different to film it. Yeah, you know, we've been exactly what you're trying to do. I've been having some you know, newer guys, not newer like as far as like into the camera world per se, but just guys new to us or whatever kind of hang out with us some more and falls around a little bit. And uh, you know, I come at this from the Hunter standpoint. I haven't been filming year as long as Tyler has. But my kind of, uh, I guess solution to this problem is just film a bunch, get a big s D card and roll, you know, because that's like that's how you're gonna make sure you get the stuff. You know, Like, um, we don't live in the world where you have to develop film anymore. So as long as you've got enough gigs in that card, man, you can you know, you can just format a card, you know, Yeah, exactly. Yeah, So that's kind of always my solution is just you know, a guy's like, well, I don't you know what what what do you want? It's like, man, just film a bunch today and just well, you know, if you feel aren't filming enough, I'll tell you if you you know, if we think you can cut back on some stuff, you know or whatever. Yeah, that's like to me, like there is a little bit of an aspect of like having to go through that footage um that you definitely don't like. But uh like in our in our instance, you know, Casey and I have a have a dynamic and we discuss almost everything we do, and so like we're a lone wolf type of guy might just have that internal discussion with himself we were you know, playing out all the variables together or whatever. So like it does make better footage for us to roll, but like, you know, like also get twenty minutes of dialogue, you know, twenty one minute section, you know it sometimes so but the lone wolf guy, you know, needs to make sure that he's uh. Like you said, every time something is changing, you get a little clip of it just to show that something's happening, you know. And it doesn't take much really, I mean I always try to shoot for like three to five seconds of stable, stable footage in that scene, you know what I mean, whatever it is, um. And that's the key. Is like once you when you turn the camera on, when you press the record button, the camera's gonna shake a little bit, and when you go to reach forward at the end, it's gonna shake a little bit. So you need to like hold still for about five seconds, you know, or whatever. So and I feel like that a lot of that stuff is trial and air, like when you when you start doing it and then you start piecing it together. And that's a big thing too, is all the editing stuff. People are scared about that. But the majority of people, you know, have some sort of Apple product, Mac or Windows product, and they all come standard with a very entry level video editor. Um. And that's how I started, you know, the free editor that comes on a laptop or phone and you just you just start working on it. You know, it's only scary and until you figure it out. Ye yep, that's right man. Well let's talk about a game time man. I mean that's the uh, you know, we're talking about storytelling and all that kind of stuff, but really the I guess the s and stuff, the whole thing is getting the shot on film right. And uh, it's what we all struggle with because when you're self filming, uh, almost never is the film the priority over actually shooting the animal, right. I mean like, I guess, if anything, it becomes the equal when you're really trying to do this thing. But like you want to get good footage of the keel. You know, do you have any tips for for that? You know that magic? You know? I imagine your Kansas Buck from this year. You know, you see you saw him a like like tuner yards or something like that, and you kind of were getting prepped or whatever, Like what's that thought process go? How does that go for you know, getting him on film? Um? I think it definitely uh Uh. Your success rate stems from how prepared you are on your setup. Like, yeah, if you're set up is perfect, you should you should be able to get it on film. Um. And if you're if you're prepared, if your bows are ready, your release is ready to recording. Everything's good. You just follow, Like I just follow the deer as much as I can, like every now and again. Like you can tell, I don't pay attention to camera to make sure I'm like figuring out what's going on, and then I picked the camera back up. Um. And this is I think a lot of my archery and shooting experience helps, um, because I can shoot in all sorts of different situations, fast, slow, you know, changing ranges. I just have just a little bit more experience with that, so I can wait until like the last day New year second where I'm like, okay, I gotta forget about the camera. You get a position, you put it a little bit ahead of the deer. You just punch out wide and just swing over and get them. As most of the time when I do UM and canvas these days with a four K, you can see it, you know, um, which is what I did on all of the cell film stuff I did this year. Um. Yeah, you just you just wait until the last possible second. You follow the deer in you stay calm. But the worst thing you do is paying it. Like obviously you've got buck fever going on. You're now thinking about shooting the deer twice, once with the bow, once with the camera. So you're just your double duty. So you just gotta get your mind clear. And it really is just a that ten seconds. You just gotta think clear in those ten seconds, and every little move is what matters. Um And that's really what it comes down to, Like it's strictly a performance thing and you just gotta you just gotta be able to do it in a sense like obviously some things are out of your control and it doesn't work. And um yeah, luckily and all of myself filming, I have never missed a shot on film and I never shot and I never shot you dear out of frame. Um So, like like I said, I even had camera guys, I was shooting him out a frame on them dates. Yeah that's not can you You just made me feel real bad about for for people who might not know explain why four K like why that's a thing? Uh, four K is important because you can crop in a little bit and it can stay h D. Yeah, so you're talking about the difference between teen eight and four K. I mean all all new iPhones are four K, all new thing pretty much everything's four k. Yeah, that's new that's coming out. So do you know that's not too foreign? Do you always just you know, go all the way out to like twenty four or whatever on zoom and just shoot or do you is like their magic number that you're trying to keep it at whenever you're you know, got an animal. It's all situational. I mean, I'm trying to think. I think even sometimes i've I've been understand if they're feeding or whatever. It's just such a situational Yeah. Um. But the worst thing to do is stay tight and then moves a little bit and then you miss them. Yeah. I tend to do that pretty bad. Like I like really good footage, you know, so I take a lot of type stuff of deer. And the thing is, though, when you're when you're self filming and I punch out like that, well now you see a little bit of me, yeah, which is a totally different perspective to you see my tip of my arrow, my bow or drawback the full flight of the arrow. So even though it's not tight on the deer, it gives a different perspective. Yeah. Yeah, it's cool for sure. That's one of the things that like, it's a beneficial running like that Maryless platform or whatever as opposed to handicap cam quarter like. Um, whenever I'm cell filming a lot of times, especially this year, whenever our A seven three just duked out on this real bad I ran an X one Hunter, which is you know, kind of a middle road like camp quarter style, and uh you it's slow to zoom in or out, you know, because it's it's digitally pretty much. Whereas like if you're running at a seven three with the lens on it, like you know, you can go from four whatever it is like in no time, you know. So it's it's the problem with the lens that I have is, um, if you're holding your bowl in one hand, you gotta awkwardly grab the lens with your other hand, and if you have a release in your hand, I tend to clank it all around the camera. So I gotta make sure I don't do that. And then if I zoomed, then I gotta swing background and grab the like the gelhead handle and then get it back on. So having a handicam zoom type camcorder and then buying the little zoom accessory you can put on the handle, yeah, it would be so much easier, Like I know, I would love that, but for me, you lose out on a little bit of qualities, which a camera like that. But yeah, I think it's all hard. No matter what you have, it's all hard. Yeah, there's nothing easy, but yeah, you just you make it work. You get familiar with whatever you have and just make it work. You know, Chris, when I shot my biggest deer ever this year, um, I did something that I was surprised that you didn't do, UM on your biggest deer ever this year, which was I framed him up but his horns are cut off in the frame, so you can't you can only see his body, our biggest deer this year. About that cheers ers clean. So if you like big bugs, and we talked about how all three of us shot our biggest bucks ever, you can go watch Chris is on YouTube. It's so sick it just I can't I can't tell you anything about You gotta go watch it. But while you're there, be shure and subscribe to our channel as well. Uh so you can see some of our biggest books that we've ever shot as well. I mean mine from Kansas is on this year, which is so sick. It's like it's such a good pretty often. And then you know, Tyler's John Illinois books on there as well. So there's a lot of good big bucks on YouTube. Check out Chris Is. How much did Chris's score We didn't ever talk about, Yeah, just freaking giant. And then, um, we haven't got to score any of our deer yet because we just think they're giants. So anyways, go check those out on YouTube. Guys who really appreciate it for sure. So um, like with all this said, like there's there's obviously a system in like a format that you have kind of uh ingrained and that you you whether or not you think about it like it's something that you do because it's worked for you. Um does like how do you how do you keep from getting stale? Like how do you keep creative and stay creative within all this? Um, well, I really enjoy doing it, so I feel like that keeps the drive going on lot um this year, I mean last year, last year I foll with it a little bit, but this year I definitely fought with a little bit more um about just tying in the business side of things with hunting, because it's just it's just the the bad part about it, I guess. I mean, it's all good, but the bad if there is any bad part about it is that unfortunately shooting deer and filming drives the business aspect of things a little bit. Um. So there's a different pressure behind that, um than just you know, do do do do just going out and hunting, you know, relaxing and hunting. Um. So with that being said, that definitely keeps the drive going, trying to achieve a goal, you know, get something on film, knowing that you know, that's an angle that I'm going for, um And it's always mixing it up, like I'm always trying to do better. Every video is always trying to do better, room learning something from it and and like on the creative aspect side of things, editing is a big creative part um And I really like editing. And now Mitch is editing and he's really really good, and we'll work together on stuff, you know, hunting videos going forward. UM So I don't know. For me, it's just constant growth and learning. Um. You know, I look at old hunting videos and new hunting videos, and at least I think the new ones production wise and creativity wise or step up from the year prior. And so yeah, I don't know, there's there's a lot of motivations because since it is mixed in with business and and everything. Yeah, I think you're like that passion to do it, um that you have is something that I have as well, and like that, Um, it's the it all. It all does mix with like, um, the demand of of the quote unquote industry, I guess right now, you know it's like you, uh, it would be really awesome if we could all make two hour films where we just our whole season is in one two hour episode and we we show like the changing seasons throughout. Yeah, and just and like and then you you make a year's salary from doing that, right you know. Like but that just it's not it's not what happens. You can't do that really, you know, And so like it's frustrating a little bit, um because it does suck your creativity a little bit. But um, just having that passion, it's something that definitely UM because you'll think about it throughout the day. It's something you enjoy doing. You're gonna think about throughout the day, and really, you know, creative things come from deep thought. They don't come from they don't usually come from just scrolling your phone mindlessly, you know, right, So yeah, I don't know, it's it's uh, it's been super interesting, especially for me to just past a couple of years, how everything's gone and kind of I don't know, this year. This year was super awesome and super bad, you know, like I think it was for everyone, just everything that happened, and it kind of change perspectives and change ways people think about things and how gentle life is and and what really matters and what really doesn't and shooting big beer definitely doesn't matter. Um, it makes us feel good for sure, um, but in the end, you know, it really doesn't matter. So as long as you you always go down to you know, the foundation and the roots. And and we're getting deep here, like we're trying to we're trying to talk about like getting people in the filming and that this is getting deep. But well, I think I think, uh, a lot of people try they look at you know, people whatever that are that are working. I hate the word like out the industry and influencers or whatever. I don't I don't believe anything of that. But that's just what it is. But people want to get to that point and they think they have to do something to get to that point. But it's not going to work unless you're passionate about it and there's there's something that clicks and connect. You can't buy your way in to doing it. You can't. You just can't force it. And there are some people in the industry that are really trying to force there right now, super super interested on how that's all going to play out down the road. Um, and you know, sure, sure there's some passion, but there's definitely a lot of force. And uh, if you know, if there's if there's passion behind it, you're passionate about making making videos and hunting them doing things for the right reason, you know, there's no reason why I shouldn't work. So especially with the barrier of entry so low with YouTube. I mean, if you just just alone, if you make YouTube videos and get a huge following like you can without sponsors, without nothing, you can make a full time job out of it. And I think that's where the industry is going to start to go. Is creators, content creators, YouTubers or whatever aren't going to be dependent on outside sources. They're gonna be able to be a soul standing you know, individual being able to do a full time making content sharing, hunting, sharing outdoors. Um, and that's super interesting to me. Yeah, yeah, man, absolutely, that's a definitely something we have been uh, you know, discussing, and it's something that nobody really knows exactly what's going to happen in the next few years, but we definitely have our thoughts about what might and might not happen. And um, I think with that, you know, it does it does free you up to try new things, you know, and and try to get creative and to try to uh you know, be the be the first one to make the wave, you know or whatever. So yeah, Generation gen Z is gonna be super interesting. I don't know what what color their hair is gonna be one day from the next and then boom their YouTube star. That's it man, that's well man. I appreciate your thoughts about, you know, all of this, but also the thoughts about what matters man. That that struck a chord for sure. I think about that a lot, you know, and what truly matters and we you and I and Casey I'll share a very um I guess, fiery passion for what we do man, and just being in the outdoors. And I know, like it means so much to me spiritually, um and and among other things, uh that have to do with my health or just my enjoyment and that kind of thing. But like, um, you know, in the end, I think we all kind of have a similar idea about what matters. And I appreciate that. I appreciate your you're honesty, man. I prey chate your friendship and just your ability to hop on the phone with us anytime and to never pretty much never say no to us. Man. Yeah, and I know I'm really just a phone call. This isn't a podcast, this is just a phone calling. Yeah. I mean that's that's right. Man's awesome, Yeah for sure. And I mean that's that's been something that since pretty much day one, since I've known you, Man, that's been It's always been that way, man. So I do appreciate it, man, and appreciate your time because I know you're busy and things have gone well for you the last couple of years. So I'm super excited about that. I'm super excited to see where it goes next year, man, especially with you changing locations, moving to the heartland and uh and uh anyway, I think uh for people who are interested that I want to see Chris and stuff who haven't seen it been living under rock, just uh typing Chris b On on YouTube? Is there anywhere else we need to send them? Man? Uh? Yeah, YouTube and Instagram is pretty much post most of my stuff. Yeah, cool man. We will link to all that in the notes, along with some of the links to some of the gear that Chris uses when he's self filming. If you're interested in open your game. So anyway, we appreciate you. Yeah, we'll be talking to you. Chris is a great job with that man, and consequentially, his YouTube is a very cool place to be. Ours is too. You should go check it out. If you're from Chris's audience or if you're just here as a new person, check it out. Subscribe to our YouTube channel. We really appreciate that. Subscribe here as well. On the podcast, um, casey, we got to try a new saddle today. What do you think I liked a lot. Yeah, there were some things about it that was a little bit different that we're a little bit different. I'm starting to talk like an East texter for sure because getting late. But overall, we tried the Cruiser x C out today I think, which sounds more like a like a remote control car to me and it does anything else, but it's it's cool. It's got a lot of a lot of room. Uh. Kind of pretty intuitive for a guy who's trying to you know, hanging hunt, but like a yeah, idiots, yeah yeah, an you know, you know, the uh, we we looked at it compared to the tethered which is what we use all year, you know, and it's definitely quite a bit bigger. And we were talking just a second ago kind of off air about some people that have shocked us that we're not as big as they thought they were. I think that's the real reason why they turned a t a digital this year. People just got embarrassed about being smaller in person than what they are. All these uh, all these you know, famous hunters. UM wanted people to not know how they make deer look big And what's the hashtag yard coming up with? Like big dudes kill big deer and it makes them look smaller or something like that that we run around with. Well now now, but h H and Chris are both uh you know, Chris is like six ft. He's just built like he's like an ass frame. Yeah, and then Eric's about my size. Um, but uh, you know you got the uh the bam Bams of the world that are six four and John McWilliams six six. You know, like all these huge people O'Brien, O'Brien, o'beasy. He's like, what six to six one, you know, like big dudes, man, and you know you kill one sixties whenever you're that big, just don't look as big. Well that's the thing, man. It's like there's people making that have made brands killing one hundred thirty inch deer and it's like, that's a great dear, don't get me wrong. A couple of shots. I shot a few underwee thirty this year, okay, and I loved it. But I'm just saying, you know, they're making them, dear, look about one sixty because they got they got a not a whole lot of lead in their bridges. So Chris isn't super tall. He's probably like five nine something like that. Chris Chris b oh, yeah, I saw I think it was on that Big Book video he was talking about. It's like I've got big hands. You know. It's like, oh, okay, sorry, man, you know question, It's okay. He's being grown a beard since he's twelve. So Chris, if you're listening, if you're listening to Chris me and you're in the both in the same boat about beards and we got dark hair, we can't grow a beard. Isn't that just weird? Yeah, that's what happens. It's uh, I think it's Indian blood, That's what it is. Yea. Yeah, which, by the way, since you can be I was thinking about this in the shower the other day, since you can be whatever you want these days, could I not just be at Like? Can I not just sign my kids up to be American Indians and get college free and stuff like that? Elizabeth's Warren did it? Is that what she did? Yeah? Herself? You know she did herself. Yeah. She always claimed the native heritage and it ends up somebody did her genetics and she's one one thousand and twenty four American. You know what she looks like. It she's about why did they come? It's like, there, you aren't fooling nobody come now, Yeah, for sure, I mean you're fooling some people because people are very fullable right now. But this isn't a political podcast, so we won't go into in the elaboration of what that means. Right. Um yeah, that's uh, that's that's kind of what I'm thinking about. You know, you can, I mean soon enough, and we don't want to marry an oak Tree. I'm gonna probably just uh, you know, re identify as a our resident. I think. I think that's I'm probably gonna reidentify as a popular hunter. I think because I'm gonna they come going to to be a punter. I should have been, man, yeah, I should have been a deep snapper, which I was like third team deep snapper in college. Um, but that going dude something. Deep snappers just be making money to go out there about four plays a game. It's a high pressure situation because at least when you're a kicker, everybody wants to give you a high five and you do a good job. But deep snappers and the one's given the high five when the deep snapper does a good job, they go, oh you know, yeah, they just go the play happened, whatever was supposed to do. It's like it's like, do people really say, oh, that center snapped it so well, that's right, and the only put it right in the quarterback's hands. Anyways, guys, we've got a new YouTube video out. Of course, we try to get like two or three out of this week. There a new Tobe Yeah you got this one was what an unboxing of the Cruiser saddle. It's pretty sweet. Tyler did a good job on it. And uh, I've only watched the first part of it, so maybe you didn't, but I complained all day about I didn't. Actually, now it's awesome to go check that out. If you are naked right now and you need clothing, you should go check out the Element shop on at the Element wild that com and buy some clothes. We have a new Element t shirt out. It's kind of like a pr like table theme thing, you know, because we're the Element, you know, that's that kind of thing. If you didn't get it, um, we're living in around Yeah, we're living in it. So go check that out. It's in everybody's favorite colors, which are all of intan. That's what the world revolves around. Alive in tan shirts these day, So go is o d um alive drab or original drab or the original. Um what is it? Uh, that's a good I thought I knew what that was, but I'm blinking right now. Alive drab Green, original original dark Green, I don't know. Yeah, well we've got O D. Green Odi Green. So yeah, we'd really appreciate that out that it helps out a ton um and uh we will get that shipped out to you a sap so Um. Anyways, thank you for listening. It means a ton as well if you're new to us. We really appreciate that. Chris is a good, good dude and we're glad to have him on a podcast. Um, it is ship season. We aren't gonna find a lot sheds at least until mid March because they don't really exist in East Texas unless you're just you know, one is just gifted to you. But when green Up happens, you know, they're not quite moving as much because they got plenty they eat, and yeah, they're hard to find they are. So we have about three days a year where do you have shed their an owners before green Up? So it's probably gonna happen. But we have got some stuff in the works. We've got a lot of turkey hunting coming up. So pretty excited about it. I hope you are excited about the spring as well. It's gonna be a bad the Bone year y'all. Here in Texas, we just lifted the mask band, so I don't know what that means for you, but I'm pretty excited, uh because I don't really see people anyway, so I'm tired to win a mask um and uh. Anyways, I hope you're stoked to get out and chase some sheds. If you find some really good barns sheds lean to is anything posted on Facebook where I'd love to see them, tag us in it, uh, and remember this is your element living it

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