00:00:00 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Tyler Jones and you're listening to the Element podcast. Dance little in your trusting everything and everything that's going. I got a little friends, what's happening on my woods? People were sitting in a metal building, no service in our phones, and somehow there are still aliens in the audio race. We uh, we struggle with this thing that I may not even should bring to y'all's attention because you probably most of you haven't even noticed this. But every once in a while we have some weird like aliens in in the audio because of like phone service and phone signals and stuff. So we're always trying to manage that. So if you hear it, just don't pay attention to it. Have grace towards us. It's not that we're sending any like subliminal messages or anything. It's like, let's I'm this is terrible, but I'm blanking on the Morse code or yeah, it's like everything's fine, that's right. So, uh, today we've got Brian from Day six again on the podcast. We're tired of this guy, but he's on. No we love we love Brian. Actually we had you had a good conversation with the other day, which is what spurred us wanting to have him on this podcast again. Um we uh, we thought that this would be maybe edifying for the listener to be able to sit in on this conversation and also for us. I mean, I think we definitely learned some stuff through talking to different people. We've had some good Brian conversations lately. That's rights are doing it man, you know, I mean yeah, you know the smartest guy, and Family Guy was also Brian. It might have been Stewie though I don't know who do you think a little bit? Well? The thing with Family Guy was that he was always on when it was time for a college kid to watch TV. So it's like that or the nightly news. What are you gonna watch? You know? On f f X. Family Guy was on from life it seemed like eight pm to eleven pm, So it's just what you end up watching. Um, definitely Brian Brian, Yeah, uh, that's true kind of thing. Some some slack there. Anyway. I've been thinking, and it's a freezing cold morning and you can rely on me to give you correct weather info. It's a freezing cold morning here. Um, it's like nine thirty and it's still frosty out there, dude. Um. I staid out stood out on the phone for like forty minutes and barely barely survived. But I had to bring all my plants in because I got a bunch of starter plants that are that are in whatever those little cells, yeah cells like you know, many greenhouse effect it's created. And I've got some purple tomato's coming up, and some flowers and different things things like that. My kids wanted to plant flowers, so we did some of that. Um. And then I've got like some tomato plants that are actually you know, bought as plants. Um. Um, y'all are early on tomatoes. Yeah, like y'all are getting started quick. I want to because I can't stand waiting any longer to eat tomatoes. Fresh tomatoes are the best. They are good. So yeah, we got uh purple purple cherokey. You've been talking about those for a while. They are really hard to find. They are what brand do you get that is a bonny bonny bonny plant? Yep, so Kayley only about one, but she found that at loads the thing, so she got it. Um, we've got a couple of different purple kinds. We've got a couple of normal kinds. I always try to have a sweet one hundred. I didn't have them last year, but I always have tried to because they are just the best. I mean, if they come off in hoards and you can just literally slice them in half. Take a block of cheddar, slice the piece off of it and put it on a cracker, and it is the best thing you can eat. Sounds pretty good. But uh yeah, I've been Actually I did some tree research. I've been thinking a lot about gardening lately, and you have been doing some tree search as well, so I've been doing. I'm a tree searcher. Um fruit trees are kind of my thing. This year, so with our living situation, gardening is just not gonna go well this year. I'm actually gonna share crop with Brad. Uh yeah, and just help him on his garden and then you know, just reap the But if it's what you already do anyways, he always way over produces, which is a good thing. Um. But you can put a box in here if you want, that's all right. I'd rather just have the one thing. He grows everything that I care to grow, you know, and his his soil is good, His garden is bad as the bone. Yeah. Um, so he's got a really good sandy loam that's dark. Oh man, grows good as opposed to my dirt is is just almost sugar sand. So it's pretty tough guardening sometimes. And once I get moved over there, and when you do some soil, mom, it's a lot of mole and stuff. I think. Um. But anyways, so I can't really plant a lot of garden plants. And I really have been into fruit trees lately, but research on fruit trees a lot. I did some oak tree planting. Um are you saying you're fruity a little bit? Um? So that makes you happy? So I've been thinking about that. Some oak trees are cool. I love the whole process of oaks, but like, honestly, as a wildlife tree, oaks are a little bit limited on what they can really do for wildlife because they only drop at certain times, and they're real finicky and they take a long time to grow, whereas in four years you can have a pear tree that's literally producing enough fruit to feed dear uh and uh. Oaks for human consumption is a tough thing to make happen. You can but do you really want to go through the aforough now, um only that's right, yeah, no, thank you sir. Uh. But I've been looking at fruit a lot, specifically trying to figure out Southern apples because I think it's a weird thing. But I know that dear like them when they can get to them. I've already planet some pairs. I'll probably plant some more pairs. Um are you planting these on your property or in plants? Like probably the property. I might. I might do some in containers just because um, well, part of what it's going to be ours isn't hours yet. Uh, we're going through a process with another family. But um, anyways, I would like to do some more planning over there. Uh, so I might do some container stuff with that, But as is that, I'm still gonna probably put in uh progressively through the years and orchard on what we already own right there. So, um, i'd like to do apples, peaches, plums, all the all the good stuff, right aready? I don't think so. Well, they'll probably browse them and they'll probably eat them on the ground if they're around, But I don't think it's like I don't know why. Maybe it's just because they're so soft that they uh, they just don't have a lot of uh shelf life isn't the word, but it's the kind of when we're gonna really quick, yeah exactly, whereas like something more meaty like an apple is gonna lay on the ground for a week or more, yeah, for a deer to eat. Um. So I don't know, but all those things would be really cool to have. Right now, I'm trying to figure out apples. Not that gonna plant a bunch of apples, but I would like to have some. Uh. The thing you gotta worried about its fire block. With apples anywhere there cedar trees, it gets kind of sketchy. And I have some cedar trees, but they're pretty far away from so I don't know. There's a lot of guys that grow apples around cedar trees and they just control the fireblot. So I think that it's a little bit blown out of proportion. But at the same time, as a super amateur orchardist, if you can call myself that, um, you gotta kind of really watch out what you're biting into. That's right, apples, So do you spray that block or how do they manage that you trim it so it's like a spot on the tree and then you go down and trim below it. But you can spray preventatively, like I think a hopper mix people spray for fireblot. I don't know, I'm just trying to learn this stuff. Yeah, I've I've been really interested in getting some lemon trees, and I will do it, um, just because they're gonna be container for sure, Yeah, at least for a while, you know, until I find somewhere. But they say they grow really good in containers. So um, yeah, did you know? You probably knew this, but I didn't, and if I did, I didn't remember. But um, lemons are not they're they're man human created, you know, man made, Like there there wasn't. God didn't make lemon trees, made lime trees and made a citron. I think it's a citron mixed with something else. I can't remember, but yeah, what's cool. So lemon is man made, but it was man made a long time ago. Yeah. Yeah, well like a lot of our plants are that way. I mean, nobody knows where apple came from. Nobody knows where a peach came from. Uh, I guess that's technically not true. Um, there are why all the apple trees, but nothing like the varieties we have, but peaches, nobody has a to do Georgia right Uh yeah, um, and uh, corn is completely different than what you know. It actually started out in the wild, which is a really cool, crazy thing. But yeah, I mean it's it's kind of neat and well, what's really cool about this is that you might think like, oh, man's messing stuff up or whatever, but that's actually what God commissioned us to do, as our first job with Adam was to name the animals and take care of the garden. So kind of cool. Rest What's funny is my wife kind of said the same thing when I told her about that living thing yesterday. She was like, you know, it's under God's providence. Yeah, Because I was like, it's kind of I said. I was like, man, just kind of hurts my heart that it wasn't he was man made or whatever Limon is, and she's like, under God, God's providence. I was like, come, man, it's cool. Man out of here, it's cool stuff. Get out of here, get out in that cold. It's right anyway. Yeah, it's uh, the fruit tree thing is something that is definitely a cool thing. Man um. I don't know if you saw this, but I have a a ground soheil baby grounds will growing up at the threatened to steal him. I think there's two of them. Oh, they're growing. There's a bunch down the end of your road. Yeah. I need to think you could easily dig that up right and put it in upot and let it grow for small I think I think that we Well, there's the thing. They're kind of evergreen, so it's kind of tough to take cuttings off of them make them sprout. I don't know. Grounds is a weird thing. We love it. No one talks about it um because it's sort of invasive, but at the same time, if you're creating habitat, the invasive is relative. Yeah, we have seen some grounds will work. It's pretty cool stuff. Which thinks is they can't eat it or they don't eat it, so it's it's I think whenever people talk about wildlife habitat, a lot of times you're looking for a multifaceted use for a plant. But at the same time, if you're providing adequate nutrition and brows elsewhere, you know a good cover. Habitat is a good thing. Yeah. And what what you know, like if you put a bunch of counseled by the road and give this security, then you're creating less stress for the animal, which could enhance their life span and this and that. So yeah, yeah, there's a lot of things to think about, for sure. It's a cool it's a cool thing. Man. One day I'll have some land and I'll get to mess around on it and see what I can come up with. Two, I'll probably plan out orchard on it as well. What's funny is whenever you do on a little bit of land, you end up just going out there and walking around and not really accomplishing anything. Just like I can't wait till I do something, just walk around at it just to look at it. But it's fun, it's cool. Yeah, So hopefully get to do that one of these days. You've got some cool things going on at your property. Man, thanks, Yeah, I saw well. We just figured out that one the well, the buck that I passed this year that probably shouldn't have got a pass. However, he was pretty far shot, which we'll talk about that in the podcast and a little bit of Brian. But um, Anyways, buck gotta pass because I thought it was a different dear. It's kind of early in the morning. I was a little bit foggy. Um ends up. He is a d or who has been in my property for a couple of years. Found a three year old what I think is a three year old picture of him in this year is a four year old significant growth between the two years. I just posted that on the Instagram story and then um uh so, I don't know, but they're on my property. There's a real good chance for deer to survive year to year because there's not a lot of hunting pressure around where I live, which is really really cool. There's one guy who I think might shoot deer off his back porch. So outside of that, you know, more prower to him whatever. Uh uh. Outside of that, like, there's a good chance that you could see him as a five year old maybe and see what that's all about, and that would be cool. So from here on out, I'm just gonna try to improve property. And he has a he's like, he's got a look to his body that is like you can tell he's just built to be a little bit bigger deer than most of the deer down, you know what I mean. He's kind of got that sleek code, like filled out in all the right places, you know, kind of thoroughbred look man. Yeah, Yeah, he's gonna be a big one next excided. And what's what's cool is that one of the things that I did on the property this year is yeah, I put out a feeder and different things, but I didn't do a ton of amendments because I just wanted to see how the property behaved, if you can use that terminology, uh, without doing too much human activity and human too many things, right, I kind of wanted to hunt it somewhat from a distance to see what the deer did because I feel like, and I'm a amateur at habitat stuff too, right, but I feel like, instead of trying to make a property something it's not, you're a lot better off trying to improve the things that already has. Right, And what I learned this year from this property is that the deer to love the open stuff as much as they do the timber. So uh, make sure and do improvements on the open country to make it have better cover. But don't there's no reason to like plant a bunch of trees and try to turn the place into a forest, right, Like, it doesn't make any sense. So little things like that are going to improve in the future. So what at what point do you or I ever go into the woods and start trimming some holes in the in the campy there. I don't think ever at this point. I mean I kind of like the ratio we got going, and there's a riparian area down through most of the timbers, so I mean they don't naturally do it that. I'm I might go in there and do some Uh you gonna keep all them swamp oaks and everything, Oh yeah, but the the red cedars and stuff like that. Might go in there and do a little bit of something. Probably won't take them all out because they're supposed to be here. But at the same time, uh, after listening to everyone in the world about cedar trees, like I can kind of see that, uh they have a benefit, but it's it's my new So the right cedar tree is a big thing. I think that it's like visual seclusion, just like that's the big thing for dear. Yeah, we don't really need like thermal cover here usually, you know what I mean, Um, I could see like wind break on particular day or two springtime especially, you know, like would be help full, but is it really worth having that seedar taking up a good chunk of ground that could be growing creaming or whatever, briars or whatever. Yeah, so that's I mean, that might be a little bit of the timber stand stuff I do, but I don't know. I kind of I know that, like the whole idea is to go and and improve on things, but it's kind of nice to just look at something to be like, oh, that's how it's always been or whatever, you know. But uh, my big thing, actually one of the big inhabitant provements I did on my property this year is over the past couple of weeks, have gone out and uh cut down a bunch of like sapling pines because um, those pine trees weren't there fifty years ago, and then the neighbor planted some and then now like my hill is all uh, like the road front is really nice because it's a pine thicket, so a lot of you can't see back into, but those pines are starting to encroach, and if I let it go for another twenty years, I would just have pine forest meats oak forest. So pretty much from the oak tree line back up to a certain point. I've been cutting almost all the pine trees out, but I've left a few for rub trees, because do you really love to rub those? So so you've seen sorry if I don't remember, and you told me that you've seen several pines rubbed out there. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. That's cool. Yeah. You think that's because of the smell. I think so, because they rub the sassa frast too. That's only two things I've seen rubs on or pine and sassa frast on that problem. You make sassa fast root beer, you better give me a taste of it. Man, that's gonna be a process to figure out. I feel like sasa frest is going to be the easier thing to do, but we'll see. We'll make that happen one of these days. I've got two Sasa fres stands, so um. I love them in the fall. They're so beautiful, man, And they are a host for one of the swallowtail butterflies. I can't remember which one, one of the bigger, prettier varieties of swallowtail. So it's kind of cool. Things they don't really benefit, dear anyway, but all about dear. Yeah, they're a little bit of bedding cover. Huh yeah something. I mean they hang out in those stick it's there, that's right, that's right. Yeah cool. Well, man, we could talk about this stuff forever, but we almost have, so almost. But Brian has actually um some really good thoughts here, man, um, so he's worth listening to as well. So if you're still hanging in there, keep on keeping on, leave sign and put the flame in yet it's kind of hard sixteen right, Okay, So to day on the podcast, we have got Brian Broderick with a day six the Sultan of Swine, the croppy Master, Extraordinary, Colossus of Cropping, Cossus of Croppie, Derrick, Henry's uncle everything baby. So just that, uh, all around Alabama extraordinaire. Brian Roderick. What's going on, dude, same old stuff, Just living the dream. That's good. That's a very generic answer for a not very generic guy. Man, you're so unique. Come on, had that on my had that on my cheech. I won't use it again, but the word was replacing oh man. So uh. We've actually been on the phone with Brian for a little while before this says, y'all know these are false leadiens. Of course we call these people beforehand, but um, we're talking about a lot of stuff. Brian has become a really good friend to Tyler and I and uh, you know make the farther father figure. We are now dependents. Um. But anyways, UM, we've been talking about a lot of stuff in Um honestly, we we put out a video here while back of a deer that I shot in Kansas and lost, and uh received a bunch of encouraging and uh nice things because I was having a hard time with a bunch of comments that were that we're very encouraging. So I appreciate that, y'all. But uh, Brian kind of wanted to talk about it a little bit, and him and I actually had a comb phone conversation of the day about stuff, and we really think that there's probably some stuff that we needed to convey in a in a uh more concise manner, uh maybe of like what actually happened, and uh, you know, just kind of get rid of some misinformation that that uh maybe I portrayed or that just uh some of y'all might have inferred from the video. So uh, Brian being a father figure has had many more years on this earth and has shot a bunch more stuff than I have. Uh. If I can't claim y'all on my income tax, you can knock it off. You can try it. I don't know across state lines. It gets kind of weird. If I could ride off Casey's hair product, it might be worth oh that gum. I need the road gain though, I But anyways, um So, if you haven't seen the video, h it's what's an episode thirty nine of the season playlist or something like that. Go look at go look at our YouTube channel. You'll see it. We'll put a link down below. But it was my really my last hunt in Kansas, uh for this season, and uh it got down to the end of the season where um, I was willing to shoot uh any respectable but because it was really about meat acquisition at this point in time, Uh, and I needed to shoot a deer for me and my wife to eat, and uh, you know, God pretty much just gave me a layup. It was awesome, right, except when it came down to the uh the pinnacle of the moment, things went crazy. So uh uh looking back, I did not aim quite as low as I would have liked to, or as I should have. I'll put it that way. I aimed about right below mid line on the deer. When I released my arrow, A deer was about thirty yards away on a aret looking at me. He dropped. Uh. And when you add those two things together, between the deer not being uh calm and being at a pretty good range, uh you know, shooting archery equipment, Uh, it pretty much ended up with a not great shot. Uh. And immediately I knew it wasn't a good thing. And then that's uh where things really got crazy. Deer ran off and looked pretty hurt, honestly. Um, he's flickering his tail a whole bunch and bled pretty good for the first hundred yards and then that kind of dried up. And I then sprinted up the hill and glassed up the deer like right at last night, after probably thirty thirty five minutes after the shot, and uh, I saw the deer standing in place, just not moving anywhere, you till he was really hurt, but he was still on his feet, and I knew at that point in time it was time to uh to back out and come back early the next morning and uh try to do recovery on the deer. And uh that's what that's what we did. Brought a buddy with me to to try to go and and grit the spot. I marked the marked the last spot of saw and went there and found blood right away. And that's the last blood we pretty unce found. Uh. To make this long story short, Uh, Grid searched for a couple of hours, finally found a couple spots of hair, uh, small piece of bone and then what was pretty much the stomach contents and a bunch of hair. And that's where uh, things got real murky. And Brian's got uh some some well grounded opinions on on on what happened. Uh, And I'm I'm I'm with him on on what I think happened. But really, and this is me speaking, I guess out of inexperience or just lack of years, lack of times this has happened, I don't know for sure what happened. But Brian, you have um seeing the situation before, right, and you wanted to talk some about what you what you think and and no, according to you, um happened with with that deer right? Well, that certainly, certainly there's no certainty as to what happened. I appreciate you saying that, man, because we talked a little bit about this other day. But like TODM and I both don't like people who speaking absolutes, right, because there's there's no way to know for sure unless you were there. But you have a ton of experience in this this situation, right, yeah, And I mean it's certainly and and the thing is is, remember when we when we before we even started the conversation the other day, I said, I've got some questions to ask you to confirm what I believe before I tell you what I think, because I still was missing information. Uh, And so I asked you questions first. But you know it's you know, I can't be for sure what happened. You know, you there's always a chance that something else happened. And you know, I mean, if you came home and you got in bed and you felt something in your bed and you pulled your best Buddies underwear out from under your bed, you pretty much know what happened. But there's a chance that it just got hung up in the laundry and ended up in there and you just didn't notice it for three weeks. I mean, there's always a chance, you know, I would. But what I'm saying is is that I feel pretty strongly about what happened to yours only because of the information you gave me, but also what I've seen happen you know too, dear, you know over the last thirty five years, and and how you know how coyotes will will treat wounded animals, you know. Yeah, so what do you what do you think happened in that situation? Well, um, first off, let me say I've had it happened to me, So I'm not just I'm not some holier than now guy that never makes mistakes. I've done the exact same thing. So you know that deer was hit ahead of the diaphragm, So there's no question. I don't think any of us are debate that, right, it was in front of the diaphragm. Well, let's break that down a little bit. So you know, just I know that we all kind of try to know a little bit of anatomy and whatnot on deer and stuff, but for someone who maybe hasn't done a whole bunch of dissections or something like that, right, So, diaphragm is the muscle that's halfway down the abd abdomen that flexes and then allows the lungs or pulls air into the lungs and pushes air out of the lungs right cre It creates the vacuum for the chest cavity that allows the lungs to work. In layman's terms, Okay, so when you poke holes and in any living creature ahead of the diaphragm, what well, I let me just say one that has has that type of anatomy um, it cannot create the vacuum and that you know, it will slowly suffocate. Now can deer live through that, Yes, but they can live through it if there's one wound and it can heal up and seal up quickly and the and the animal not get pressured, pushed, et cetera. Um, when there's two holes, one on each side, it's a little more difficult, you know, for both of those to heal up and seal up and that animal be able to you know, generate that vacuum or pressure if you will, so he doesn't suffocate where he can breathe. Um. It's not a pretty scenario for an animal to go through, for sure. Um. So, but I feel pretty confident that that era was uh ahead of the diaphragm, just based on looking at where you hit. Yeah, and if it wasn't, it probably was right at the diaphragm, which would be even worse because you would cut through it and tear it and then it's even worse. So um uh, you know, at that point you're gonna introduce all the different toxins and stuff from the stomach and you know, all that different things in that cavity. But long story short, you know, I don't think there's really any question where the deer was hit. I don't think there's any question there was two holes in any um, and I think it was in front of the diaphragm. So I feel like the deer was certainly going to expire. So um So then you fast forward to what you found, which was hair and stomach contents correct, yeah, and so and primarily white hair, right, yeah, I would say, I mean, there was a decent amount of of both types, but it was you know, if you talk about the ratios of a deer's body, we're talking probably brown hair and white hair, and it was probably so Yeah, it was a lot of white hair, right, So you know what I've seen over the past and and witness firsthand is that you know, when that deer gets to a point to where he he would just lay there and expire if he wasn't you know, um disturbed or or you know, um instigated or whatever by another animal or something else. You know. So, but the coyotes found him and could have just been one, could have easily just been one, could have been a female in pumps, because I've actually watched a female and pumps do what we're going to talk about. But so, but what they'll do is is, you know, they'll literally just walk up there and just rip a hole open right in the guts um and mh. They when they know that that animal can't escape, they're not going to expend the energy and risk their life to try to kill it. If it's standing there and it's basically strictly surviving on just pure adrenaline at this point, but it can't really run or go that kind of happy to sit there and take a bite, pull a little bit out and just walk beside it, grab ahold of it, pull more out until the you know, the animal finally lays down and dies. These animals are geniuses. They're not a wolf's the same way, everything's the same. They're not gonna take the chance of getting gord or hooked or whatever if they know the meals there. So, I mean, you can even go on YouTube and watch videos of coyotes eating deer's same area stomach, sitting there, feeding on their stomach while the deer is alert, alive with its head up. I mean, that's just what these these animals do. And so I feel pretty certain that's what took place there. I mean, the evidence is, I mean, what are the odds that another deer was there, gotten eaten or bitten or something, and its guts fell out with corn that only been there a week. The stomach contents were still wet. We're one of the odds that another deer happened like that. It's the same odds as the underwear getting hung in your in your laundry. You know, I believe what you want to believe, but it's you know that the evidence is kind of there. So um and so, so what I was telling Casey is that you know, uh, because Tyler, we didn't have this conversation yet, but I shot an incredible deer in Oklahoma about five or six years ago and probably hit the deer. I would say, almost as close to identical as what Casey hit as you could get. I mean, it was the same exact shot. We tracked the deer back and forth across the river for a long, long way. Um, just an unbelievable track job, you know, just hands and knees, hours and hours and hours. I would say, almost a mile into the track. Probably six seven hours later, the arrow finally pulled out. And when the arrow pulled out, we started getting a little bit more blood, you know, a little bit easier to follow. Followed the deer back across the river again for the second time, and stopped for a minute. And while I was looking for tracks in the sand and looking for any sign of blood, I could hear the deer coffee, trying to trying to get it catch his breath. How many hours later is that? It was probably six? Well, I shot the deer at daylight. I have the entire thing on film. Um. I shot the thing that probably at daylight, and this is probably two or three in the afternoons. It may have been as much as seven or eight hours later. And so I crawled up the river bank and looked into the tree line there, and it was really thick, and there was the buck um. There was no way to get an approach on him. There was no way to get another arrow into him. He was in the thickest jungle you've ever seen. You can't you know, gun season, what open um, So you couldn't finish him off with a gun, even if it was legal. I don't even know if it would be or not. I don't know that, you know, um, there's just no approach. And we were right on the river, and I thought, man, if I pushed this and he jumps back into the river and can't make it across this time, we're gonna lose the deer for sure. And so we basically stayed on that deer till dark. It was. It was the most awful thing I've ever experienced in my life. And then we finally pulled out it dark and came back the next morning. And where we came back the next morning was the exact scene that you experienced with your dear white hair. No blood, nothing, and just started grid searching the river hundred yards more hair, another section where you can see they were pulling on him again, no blood, no sign, no deer, and then we went another probably two hunter yards, found a little bit of hair, but not like we had been finding. And then that was it. And we basically grid searched that end of the of the property for two days, covered about a mile, and right when I left, one of the ranch hands found the deer and he was another eighth of a mile across the fence into the next pasture from where we started stopped. So from the place that I had that dear laying where the coats first engaged that buck. He finally died and they, you know, devoured him a mile and eight away. Man. So and so. The other the other anecdote to this is um, I was up in Brady, Texas hunting um with a friend of mine. Is that you Brady Texas? For me? Yeah? Is that up? Is that really further north? And where you live? It was? Yeah, everything towards the live where I live. I live on the Gulf. I just don't think of figured out man study him out. So anyway, I was, I was hunting over there and I watched a female kayo with its pups, Uh do do this to sheet? And buddy of mine and I were sitting on this big flat and I killed a deer, and I was silk psy because I'd get to hunt with him. And we were hunting together and I was rattling for him, trying to bring a buck into bow range, and we watched this this kayak come down and she finally caught a sheet and reached up and just yanked um. Well, she the first thing she had did she when she caught it, she basically cut its what do you call it Achilles tendons or the back tendons on them where the thing couldn't hardly walk. And then she reached up and pulled a section of guts out like that, and the other sheep kept trying to defend. I mean, it was just the craziest thing. And she did that and then backed off and let her pups come up and you know, bill confidence to what they were doing. And this went on forever, and we kept trying and trying trying to you know, break this deal up. And then we finally went back to the ranch got a twenty three or fifty or something that came back and they were still there, and we shot the mother kyo and the other one try off, but you know, those coyotes are not going to risk their life to take an animal down when they know they don't have to, you know what I mean. I mean it's I mean, at the end of the day, if you've got you know, a dozen donuts sitting on the counter, you're not gonna go make business there. They grab one one you wanted. You know, it's just out of pure lacens. Yeah, you're right, and uh, you know you you observe things like this like you with this the sheep and the oats and and then you know, losing deer and stuff to coyotes like it. Really it really kind of hits at home for how gruesome nature can be and how ruthless. Uh, you know, the the food chain is out there, and I guess if there's any soulless at all, it's in the fact that when we do make good, clean, ethical shots, like that's the most peaceful death that most animals are ever gonna experience out there, right, Not that they were were around asking us to shoot them, but you know what I mean. Um, but you know you said, um that you had that whole thing on video with your buck And that's kind of where our conversation started, is because we we we put this out there for for people to to see and to take in. And uh, you, being a buddy kind of uh texted us and said, hey, you know, guys, I don't know, I don't know if that's really what we are to be showing to just the free market out there, right, So you know, tell me, tell me your thoughts on that again, because I kind of know where you're coming from. Yeah. Well, I mean you know, that was just my opinion. And you guys were like, you know, you're not the boss of me, and um, that's right, take my go home. You're not my daddy out my real daddy. Um. Anyway, Uh, but we had a conversation about it, because that's what friends do, you know, talk about them, tell them what you think if you if you don't can't do that, you don't really have any friends. So um no, I mean, yeah, I had that deer on film. I actually filmed it with a with a with a red I mean it was some of the most beautiful footage. It was. The deer was probably right under a hundred seventy UM shot him with a longbow man. It was just gorgeous, you know, um, and I just didn't you know, just an incredible footage. But I chose not to share it, um because of that. And you know, it's not that I didn't share it among people, you know, my inner circle and people that I know and other hunters culy I did that. I'm not saying that I didn't share it publicly, you know, and so um and then you know, I'm not going to get into the details of it this year because it just doesn't involve doesn't involve just me. But you know, we had some similar experiences in New Mexico this year and I had a you know, camera guys and expensive everything, you know, tags and gear, travel, and I mean there was a lot of money invested in in that trip, and we had some similar experiences happened, and you know, I said, I'm not not going to show it. Just show it because I've got, you know, an investment in building this content. It's just sometimes you're the bugs. Sometimes you windshield so um. So I chose not to do it, and you know, and I did that because of what I believe. And so I guess that's what you're asking me. Yeah, what's the what's the what are you talking about? What's the belief that the chase? Sure? Yeah, um, I mean, we all know New Mexico is pretty pretty fast, you know what I mean there, New Mexico was the windshield this year. Yeah. So uh. You know my thing is is that that um that the hunting industry is its own worst enemy. There's no other way to put it in that. You know, when when you hear people in the hunting industry say, we've got to circle the wagons. You know, we we you know, everybody's gotta do the same thing. There shouldn't be bickering between bow hunters and gun hunters and trad hunters and whatever. We all got to do the same thing and we've got to circle the wagons. Well, I agree, we've got to circle the wagons, you know, to defend our rights to to you know, what we love. But I don't think the guns need to be aiming out. I think the guns need to be aiming end to the inside of the circle because I feel like the hunting industry is, you know, self destructing. It's it's basically providing the people that want to take away this wonderful thing that we love. We're providing them with the ammunition and all the you know, we're providing everything they need to do it um because for us, when we see what happens out there with nature, it's a reality, but we also appreciate it for what it is. We It makes you look at life differently. You know, things become a little clear, there's better perspective when you see how harsh mother nature really is, and whether you're a part of it or not, it's it's it's a harsh life, you know, And so we understand it. We talk about it amongst ourselves, and it's it's something that we can all relate to together. And the problem is is that for of our population that doesn't hunt, but they don't really have an opinion on whether we hunt or not. Eventually it's going to come down to some type of vote. I mean, if you look at how Colorado gets its things past, it's basically, you know, oh, do you want to see mother bears killed? You know, with their cubs watching, and everybody's like, no, no, no vote knows no spring bear. So you know, that's how they present it. And so we as hunters, for the most part, pretty good group of people. And I know that Tyler and Casey are good men and their men of faith, and they you know, they believe in doing the right thing and being honest. The problem is is that when you go into a battle like it's gonna there's gonna be in our future and our kids future for hunting. We're gonna go in armed with truth, justice, and science, and they're gonna come in armed with whatever it takes to win. Truth be damned. Oh I mean, Ben check that. I'm glad you wrote down us a jestion there. Yeah, so you know, um, And and if you think I'm just being a doom and gloom, you know, conspiracy theory guy. Look at our media. I mean, do you honestly believe anything that you see on the news? You can't. And and the group that wants to take away our rights, that's the same group that owns the media. They have the voice, They have the loudspeaker. We don't have anything. We have nothing, and we don't have the voice except within our little circle. So we're gonna be preaching to our own people, and they're gonna be reaching of the people that are going to make decide our future as hunters. So when you put something like that out there that's super relatable to hunters, but you put it on a public platform, that's viewed by hundreds of millions of people around the world. You've just given the enemy, you know, basically, the ammunition to blow you up, and it's out there for everyone to see, and it's gonna be one of those things that somebody can look at and go. But what about the fact, like if we're talking about, what about the fact that those have a chance to see the remorse in Casey's face? Yeah, that that is gonna be that that that is definitely a great point. So my response to that is back up a few sentences. Do you think that if this was gonna be on the news, on the media, on CNN or whatever, do you think they would they would edit it to where you'd see Casey's remorse. No, they're gonna show the bad parts. They're gonna edit it out. They're gonna show the bad part, and they're gonna say this is what happened. Hunter shoots deer, wounds it, it gets eaten alive by kayak. Now, everything they said is a try. They didn't lie, But that's how they're gonna spend it. And that's what they're gonna show. And you're gonna say, oh, no, no, no, But look here's the whole video. Well, our world's not whole videos anymore. Our whole world is memes and sound bites. So if you're gonna go to battle thinking that, you know, I'm gonna If you think you're going into a civil war battle armed with muskets, you're going into a Battlestar Galactica deal where they're shooting ladies. You understand what I'm saying, and to think otherwise is not paying attention to what's going on around you in modern day times. I'm with you. I know they're gonna you know, the far let's just call them the far left, even though it might not be democratic Republican we're talking here, right, But just like the far weather side the anties. Okay, so that side is always going to rage no matter if they have the content or not. They're gonna make it up. So you know, you can't eliminate the source like it's never gonna happen. They're always going to find a way to spend something no matter what. So why not take the chance and do your best too to convey every emotion and get on something deeper and primal with that. They understand that, you know, everyone eats and whenever I don't get to eat, the chops do eat and they win and I lose. Like, why not take that chance? If you know that the antis are always going to be there and be screaming so here all right, So I'll tell you exactly why. Okay, Because let's say that there's twelve million hunters, right, so you take those twelve million hunters. Nobody's really gonna know the twelve million hunters. Nobody ever gonna get an opportunity to talk to all twelve million. So what is the resource that has to use to generate their opinion on how they're going to vote? Okay? So that twelve million is gonna get reduced to say, twelve hundred of the people that choose two show hunting and on on a public platform, whether it via TV, Internet, social media, whatever. Let's say that there's twelve which we know there's more than that's a twelve thousand. So let's say there's twelve thousand people out there that are publicly promoting and and making a business out of hunting content. Let's just call it what it is. Okay. Can you tell me that out of all that right there are they gonna go be able to pull twelve of those twelve thousand, are they gonna be able to go pull anything that does not, for the most part, reflect hunting in a negative light? So right now you can say, okay, well let's say that three thousand of them are on outdoor television. Well you can throw that out. We lost that battle. That's that's a go. That's a damn go. Growth. So so there's there's, there's there's twenty of how we're representing ourselves in the lost column. The most common uh media format in the world at the moment to TV, right, like the easiest to find. That's right, that's right now, all right, So their next their next path is gonna be saved YouTube. Okay, so they're gonna go to YouTube. Mm hmm. We might win a few battles there, but we'll probably lose. Okay. So then you go to social media, we're screwed. Yeah, and you said I could say screwed, but I didn't like that word. But I've added an E D to it. So so that's that's there. But I mean, we're toast because everybody is posting their pictures of their bloody deer and the tongues hanging out look at this giant hole my broadhead putting this in this animal. I mean, go look at the day six page. I'd love to sell a lot of Broadheads, guys, there's not one. There's not a single entrance exit whole picture on the day six page, a single one. Go to every other Broadhead company and tell me if you can say that now. Is that because you you have a moral stance against that, or is that because you don't like it? It's not that you're trying to make sure that your company is portrayed the way, way right way you don't like it. That day six is me. I mean there's no there's no corporate structure here, there's no board. Um, it's it's me. And so the company is gonna reflect what my beliefs are. And my belief is is that I am not going to sacrifice the future of hunting for my short term personal gain. So it's not that like if I takes you a picture and say, man, look at look at the good job that's Broadhead did. It's not that you are abhorded that. It's that you you know that you have a moral obligation to kind of ensure that that there's a future in this thing. Yeah, So my thing is like if a customer um, Like, if a customer UM pass me, Hey, you know, what do you think about this? Or I got this hit? I could say, hey, here here's a picture of one of the deer I shot last week. Here's the exit hole. I'm happy to share it, but I'm happy to share it among a captured audience, like via a podcast. So you guys have got hunters that are coming and subscribing to your podcast. It's a captured market, you know, the of people trying to make a decision. They're not going to invest any time or effort to go research. They're not gonna go subscribe to podcasts and listen to hunting podcasts to make a decision. They're not gonna do that. So what they're gonna do is they're only gonna make a decision based on what the Left is feeding them because that's the only thing they have be So like, for us, we can have this conversation openly because this is a captured market. This is a conversation among friends and fellow hunters, and this is where the conversation can happen and be honest and truthful, and you know, say hey, here's what happened. But it's it's just like I shouldn't have taken the shop, but it's it is. I mean, it's it's probably has a chance of being more captured, for sure, but it's still the podcasting is still an open market to the public, just like YouTube and and like you said, people are invested that are hunters into this podcast, just like people are not gonna look at um, you know big buck video that aren't hunters most of the time either. You know, if somebody wants to rage, if somebody wants to rage, and they're going to find that video and they're gonna do it, But they could easily go do that on podcast too. They could. But you're not hearing what I'm saying though. I mean, people are not going to go take the time to click on a podcast and listen through them to try to educate themselves on something they don't care anything about. I mean, I agree with that, all right. So so let's go to social media. Okay, So let's say that that you, um, here's a great one. All right. Let's say that you went to Instagram, click your search uh thinging thing thing jigger, but cook your searching thing and you type in Hunter Biden. Okay, but let's say that you type in Hunter and before you finish all the suggestion things start popping up. Okay. And so there's all these pictures and suggestions, and there's one of our famous you know, hunting celebrities doing something goofy right there in front of your face. You see what I'm saying. The same thing on a YouTube search, you know, you click in Hunter Biden and then before you before you get through, and you've got Hunter clicked. You know, Hunter does whatever. You're not gonna believe this the biggest thing you've ever seen, or you're not gonna believe what happens. And the person go oh, let me look at this and click it and go oh my god. But that's not really that's gonna happen as much as what's what's gonna happen is is that the people that want to take it away from us, they're just gonna go click capture, clip capture, clip capture, clip capture, sizzle reel. These guys are scumbacks. Do you think it's gonna get to the point though, where I mean, they might be opposed to us, but they're not stupid like people know. Um, you know, if we start you know, covern our tracks with YouTube and stuff, they're gonna find whatever media that we have of and sooner or later, one of these days we're just not going to be able to go public with anything we do if we keep following this model, right, it's it's gonna perpetuate into just a completely closet society unless we do something different. You know, No, no, no, no, no, I'm not saying I mean, what I'm saying is is that you should be you should be taking the opportunity to put content on there that is positive, that it reflects positively on honey and shows the romance and the spirituality of it. I mean you you want to show that and and you keep you know, listen, man, you've had bad stuff happened to you in your life, right, do you tell everybody you meet that? Or do you tell the guys that you trust and love because you want to tell somebody because you want to get it off your chest. You don't want to tell somebody and and and be able to get reassurance that that you're still a good person, or you made the right decision, or it's gonna be okay. So that's the that's when you choose to share that with the people that you choose to surround yourself with. But you're not gonna walk down the wall and start telling people all your dirty laundry and hope that somebody's like, man, that happened me too, you know, Yeah, for sure. It's just it's you're gonna know where it's not a fun situation because you're gonna have just the world is full of cruel people, right, and they're not they're not gonna comfort you as much as they're going to condemn you. So it's just not and life's not life's not fair. So if you're if you're gonna rely on the truth and righteousness to fight your battle against people that aren't, you're going to lose. So I mean, it's it's just gonna happen. So uh, the all wise and mighty Brian, I'm I'm all pop uman. I say it partially, ingest. I do appreciate what you what you what you have saying, and to be completely honest, you you definitely achieved your goal because now we're talking and thinking about this after you know, you take sent as a text the other day, right that that that that was like, that's what we're trying to do is have good conversations about stuff that matters. Um, So my message said you may want to think about in the future. It didn't say hey, I said yeah, I thought, no, you're not going to Grandma's house this weekend. Yeah. I didn't say, hey, dip weasels yard. But that's not terrible. Yeah. So anyway, UM said, hey, y'all, I want to think about you know, next time. That's all said. Yeah. So in the if you could make it in the and when I say it, I mean content from all media platforms, if you can make it ideal, what does it look like ideally? Like just take like social media where it's so uch a circus, right, Like, what is it actually? What should it looked like? To preserve the future of honey. I guess what I would say is is that what I'm telling you is that, um I'm a realist and I know that there's no way to ever keep it from being shown. You thought, I'm saying, um M, yeah. So some of the some of the best, some of the best hunting places I ever had in my life. I never paid for it was some of the best properties people didn't hunt, They didn't care. But when I came and went, you know, on their place. I came and went on that place like I didn't belong there. I mean I went on in and off that place like literally to leave no sign of passing. Never wanted to have to engage with them, go talk with them. Nothing. I was out of sight, out of mind, and I would hunt those places forever I've been. Had one guy called me one time and say, Hey, my nephews wanting to come down and deer hunt. Do you do you still hunt out here? That was the honest conversation, Do you still hunt out here? And I was like, dude, I got like forty trees marked to climb on. I mean, I've been wearing that place. I've already killed ten deer off of it this year. You know. But that's but that's out of sight, out of mind, you know. And so that to me, that would be the perfect scenario. It's not gonna happen because we have created a circus environment around hunting and fishing in the outdoors. And at the end of the day, when you create that environment around anything with nature, nature is going to be the one to lose. There's no question about it. I mean, it's this thing has become so commercialized and so it is what it is. So what I'm saying is is that that monster is not going away, and that's not gonna change. But if you are going to put something out there, you could put it out there possibly, you know, not not basically shoot your own foot off. So that's the only thing I'm saying. It's not going away. So if we've got to have it, let's make the best of it and use it to our advantage everywhere we can. But that's just not what we're doing. Dude. I can't remember where. I was looking at something the other day and they had like the TV ratings and Pigman was the number one thing on television. I'm like, we're we're toast. I mean, I feel I mean, I feel like, man, I need to I need to pull my kids out of school and say, man, we're gonna hunt every day every day until they take this away, and then y'all go back to school because this this ain't gonna last. If that's the crowd that we're following, you know, yeah, yeah, I know, man, It's it's kind of ridiculous. What actually makes it on TV, you know, and since we're gonna call this a captive audience on podcast format, right, Like Tyler and I, one of the things we love to do on trips, like when we go hunting or whatever, is get a cheap hotel that's got some top of outdoor TV channel because neither of us have it at home. We don't pay cable bills, so we love that. Man, you sit there and eat cookies and and make fun of people on TV all not long, but dude, it's astounding. Like we watched a video with like the Texas Outdoorsman or whatever he's called, uh, and they're literally exploding prairie dogs and SloMo and laughing about it and slo I'm talking like no telling what kind of lens they had on this camera because they were it was like half the screen was the prairie dog, you know what I mean. And it's like, are we really putting this on TV? Like really? You know, It's just like, man, how do like this little fluffy thing that's the size of your wiener dog comes out of a hole and you blast it in half and do it in saw emotion and it benefits no one except your jolly's right, like, you're not doing good for anyone. So well, think about think about this. Think about just the people that are flipping through the channels and they stop on whatever the different hunting channels are, and they look at just the titles of the shows. I mean, blood this, read that, assassin, this, slaying that, I mean, zero respect. So I mean, if that's your only exposure to the hunting world and you he's like, oh well, every time I look up there, I'm like, what is this a Is this some kind of you know, military mercenary channel or what is you know, is it is it? I mean, is it? Is it a channel about you know, prison murders, because it's like shank and whatever, you know, I mean it's I mean, why would you ever correlate horrible things like that? Was something as beautiful as honey? You know, it just blows my mind walk down the archery aisle in Walmart. Good grief first because big folks second of all, but big kneehon green packages that say, you know, slayer, reaper, the shank and I mean, I mean, good grief. Yeah, Well, okay, what does it Let's say, what does what does that tell the person that went down the wrong aislbacks. What about on the basic level though, with that, I'm I'm with you, pcent. I don't like that's not my thing on marketing at all, right, but um, kind of the trendy thing for the hipster hunter nowadays is used the word harvest as opposed to kill. And I kind of I to kind of do interchangeable every once in a while, just because it's just kind of what comes to mind. But if I didn't grow it, I'm probably not harvesting it, right, So where where's the line at of like being honest with ourselves and with everybody else that we are taking the life of something, but also making sure you're using proper language to show respect, I mean, kill versus harvester? Is there is there another word? All right? So let me let me ask you this. So if you want to talk about semantics, all right, So let's say that that that you've got a person that that you've really met and you like, and you think they have a good heart, and you want to you know, you want to lead them towards Christ, Okay, and you know that if you use this word, it's not gonna be relatable to him, and you're probably not gonna leading down, you know, show him the light basically. But if you use this word, which is just a matter of semantics, it's it's you know, uh, purple or moth, you know what I mean. But I mean, that's definitely a very metro comment for you right there to I'm do and and just so y'all know, I don't put my real initials in my underwear. So uh. But anyway, you know, if you have an end goal in mind, does it matter what word you use? It doesn't. So I'm not gonna say harvest around you guys, because you are going to hack on me. You know, I'm gonna say I killed this deer. But if I've got a person and I think they have an opportunity to explain to them what it is we do and why we do it, that might bring them over to try it or at least understand it, you better believe I'm gonna use the word harvest to keep their attention and keep the conversation going. What's it matter if the end goal is a victory, doesn't I mean, seriously, it's not like you're line you're cutting hairs there, you know. I think the the another thing that the way I understand it maybe or could it possibly help And add to this conversation a little bit is that, um, it's also like, um, you know, I think words or words, but it's really the intent of the heart that is what matters, right, Not that I go around using some you know, some of the words that are alternative to darn and stuff all the time. But like you know what I'm saying, like it's really is words. Words are kind of just things that have been made up by people. But at some point you have to examine the heart. So if you're saying smack them in the face with some two shot, then you probably don't mean that in an end endearing way, you know what I mean? But you could you could, you know, not that that's something you can really change any other way. Like that's the way you mean it pretty much. But as far as like kill, there's a way to say kill and not have respect for the animal too, you know what I mean. I mean, you you certainly have your no, you know, you have you know, an inflection, yeah know, on on how you say things and things like that. I mean, it's certainly you know, to be discussed. But I mean, honestly, I mean, I don't know what happened, but somehow or another, I believe every Hunter skipped, every Hunter on television skipped elementary school English class, because every single Hunter says, I've seen him coming up the trail. Oh my goodness, everyone, even the famous I've seen him coming up. No, you saw him coming up the ChIL and them there. Everybody says them, it's those and then they then they say, you know he come up, he come up behind me. Well, no, he he came up behind me, you know, I mean, it's just I'm sitting there going This is how we're representing ourselves, you know, to the public, bared exactly exactly what our opponents want us to be portrayed as. Yeah, we're just we're just completing the circle. Well, you know, if you know, if you need to rebrand, you could be Brian Broderick thesaurus hunter, you know, and then people might think you're hunting dinosaurs. But then really you go to the tree stand with a thesaurus and you just think about what words to use, the set profane ones, I'm I'm a smack in the face with some twos. You know, you think about this, think about you meet somebody and you go, oh, I know you we have a I know, um, what's his name? And it was like the guy's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know that guy too. He's a pecker head. And you're like, oh really, He's like yeah, well I hadn't been around him much. Anyway, you end up getting back with that other guy You're gonna hunt trip or something, and five minutes into it, you're like, Yep, that dude was right. It SuDS pecker head. You know. So you know, of course, our antizers saying these guys are uneducated, he'll billy rednecks, they don't care about the animals, they just like to kill their murderers, YadA, YadA, YadA. And you turn on outdoor television five minutes into it, Yep, their pecker heads. Yeah, you know. So, all I'm saying is is that you know, guys like y'all that I can have a conversation with. Let's have a conversation. Let's try not to complete that circle, you know, Let's let's try to move the needle the right direction, so we have a chance. Because remember, guys, something can always something great can always start with one man. Yeah it's true, you know, it's true. We uh I can make a reference here about Jesus, couldn't I. Yeah, that's what I was in for. Yeah, that's what I was thinking and think and think about this. What did Jesus Jesus's enemies use against him? The truth? What that what the perceived truth was at least right, Well, yeah, they used they used the truth that he was telling the truth and they used it against him. Yeah, yeah, exactly. You know, so you guys were telling the truth, this is what really happened, but somebody's going to use it against you. Yeah. Yeah, he made good points, Brian Man. Yeah, they awesome stuff. And I appreciate your willingness to have talks like this where like, you know, we uh, not that we didn't see eye to eye, but like we we kind of came into this with a little bit different differing opinions on things, and I think we're all in the same place. And uh, I think really the thing is that we need really need to be very careful, uh and be intentional with what we're putting out there for uh. The general population definitely were like we thought about this quietly. Yeah, yeah, it's in a particular video. Um. Yeah, I don't know, I just feel like telling the story was important. But I see the points that that Brian's making two And I'm not saying that UH completely agree that like that never should have been out there for the public, but I understand the points and and even more so, I appreciate that that you're, um, you know, the intention of making sure that it was correct information about the coyotes and all that kind of stuff, you know, because that's that was really I guess the thing that you approached the first and the first point was like, hey, we need to talk about exactly what happened there, because I think you'll a little foggy and you've seen some experience some of it so well, so I think I think what I think what led me to that was I read the comments, and you know, I read the comments on the on the video, and I was reading these comments going no, no, no, no, no, how did you get that? You know, I mean, coyotes can't eat skull and bone and ant overnight. I mean, no, that's not the deep I mean, I mean, I mean, I'm saying that's that is the deer. But they didn't, like some people were thinking, they they devoured the whole thing or you know, there was one little piece of bone left. I'm like, good grief, you know, I mean, and then you know that's not your dear, And I'm like, I mean, I'm sitting there and going, surely someone has seen what I've seen. And then I'm sitting there thinking, you know, they probably haven't. Nobody has probably been as irresponsible as me for thirty five years and and put hunting above everything else and hunted when he should have been working. And I mean, you know, there's probably more responsible, responsible people out there that haven't been as exposed as much. You know, definitely are and that's why we're experiencing too, because we're also doing that putting before whet wrong. I'm like, dang, I'm bored. I need to call somebody. Who can I call? Oh, Tyler Casey. They're not do anything. Yeah, that's okay. So you know, became friends. We just weren't doing anything, so we only people not working in Rains County. Well, you know it's funny. I just told um. I just told my wife a couple of days ago, I said, you know what I need that I don't have that I'm really missing, And she said what I said, I need that irresponsible friend that doesn't have a job, would you like to? I haven't had one of those in years. And she said, that's you. You're that person. Everybody else Oh, oh, I got you. That's damn. That was her answer. That's you. You're that person. I used to always have that guy that I could always call and go, hey man, let's go shoot some hogs. At some point one of those guys. You get too old to have those guys at some point, you know. Well, that's what that was. The Other point is that people grow up and yeah, all my routed friends. Hey, I thought of a word that I was trying to think of earlier when you're talking about bad grammar and uh. We were watching we were watching a video when we headed out to uh the HeLa last year. We were of course, we're driving through some areas and we're like, dude, what if we hunted in New Mexico? Man, are there are there like for real white tails? Here? Are they all caused deer? And so we started doing this research and stuff and we find a video of a guy who I think was hunting like the very corner of New Mexico. For he had a pretty big buck and he was with a uh like a well known uh he was a well known brand or whatever. He's a guy like he's a personality that you've heard before. And uh he was talking about the weather, wasn't it. I remember he was talking about something. But he he used the word refreshness. It is like there's so much refreshness out here this morning. We looked at each other like this guy is crazy. Man. Yeah, yeah, I mean literally, I would I would love to have I would love to be the guy that if there was such a job to where like everybody in the hunting television industry would have to submit there, you know, season to me so I could just red line the uh craft out of it. Run out of words. Man, we got to cut this off. A boy, come down to two last. It's gonna get our rated if we go. But um, but I mean I'd love to be able to, you know, take it and just redline and send it back and just go. Was Is there any chance your mom was an English teacher? She was? Yeah, my mom was too. Yeah, my mom taught reading. She was a reading an English teacher for twenty five years in Alabama. Man. Yeah, yeah, we had to get out of it like that. That that or a dentist, you know, got a slim pickings. But uh, if you ever like my sales are down here in Alabama, it's because nobody can read your website. That's right, do smaller words. But um but no, she she she actually um did that for twenty seven years and retired and then went into she was continuing her education while she was a Teacher's pretty amazing lady. And then she went into aerospace education and so which was great because it opened up this wealth of knowledge for me with all her um, you know, uh colleagues that she worked with. I mean, you know, all these guys from NASA and the Air Force and all these you know, uh airspace manufacturing. I mean, it's just amazing. And she basically develops aerospace education curriculums now for for schools and systems all over the country, any you know, in other countries. So incredible lady. But you know, I always try to say, you know, what can I learned from this and how can I apply to what I like, which is hunting fishing? So sure, that's awesome, man, But that's where I got to bounce off. You know, arrows and trajectory and mass and momentum and all this good stuff across these guys that are like, you know, sending rockets into space. Now you're in aerospace, but it's just a different kind of arrow. Yeah, well thanks for doing this man. It's uh, you know, definitely enlightening. Glad we got to talk about it. Man, it's always fun and it Hey, we're just at the hour. This is our shortest one yet. It's a good thing. Well, we we really could get your rolling, but then, like you said, you would have to dive off into other four letter words and we just ain't got tied about man. So anyways, so um so, anyway, guys, just so we could just wrap this up, I will finish by the two words. I've had a heck of a time. Shoot, this was fun. She will leave it at that. Good conversation, man, And you had, uh you told me that he had some things to definitely be thought about, you know what I mean. He makes some some really good points, and I think that these are good things that we've got to talk about as hunters if we want to perpetuate this too into the future. And that's a weird subject all on itself, so maybe we'll talk about that at some point in time, But like, at least in my life time, I for sure want hunting to continue because I like to do it right, and I think that we need to be taking every step we can to make that happen. And we got to find the right point. And that's what our whole conversation was about, about what do you got? What can you show to make hunting look like a good thing to everybody that's gonna ever be in that realm? Right, there's gonna be some people who, just like I think you're an evil person because you exist. But um, yeah, it's a good talk, man. And I appreciate Brian's friendship and his uh uh authoritarian ways. Now I'm just getting no appreciate, like, um, he has been there, done that a lot of stuff. Right. Brian's not old meaning means, but he's older than us, um, and he's done a lot a lot of things, man. And one thing I've learned throughout my life is that, um, it's worth listening to people who have been there, done that, because you don't have to always agree with everything they say. But man, if you can avoid making some mistakes because somebody else has already made them and has gone through it, man, that's a huge life lesson. Well, it's like, um, you know, the the kind of like a preacher almost you know, a preacher has read through you know, most of them. And I said hopefully, I guess not most of them, but but you know, hopefully if you're under under the influence of a preacher, that preacher has read the Bible right and understands it, and um, you know, they're set aside to help interpret and to lead their sheep essentially, you know. And so you know, in the same way as younger dudes. We I mean, I can read the same scripture that my preacher Jason can read and definitely not get the same thing out of it because I just don't have all all the different knowledge that he has. I can't literally I can't reference scriptures just off the cuff, you know, like he can, and so he had he always has these references that he can go, Okay, well this is why this says this, because this in this you know, book or whatever. And so I look at that as being similar to this situation where, you know, sometimes even though we try as hard as we can to understand what we should do about releasing this video, it doesn't mean that we have the right answer, and if we hear somebody who has prior knowledge and who has thought about this and can reference to these different situations, maybe we look at it differently after that, you know. So it is. It's a good conversation, man. I felt a little bit convicted about it. Uh. You and I haven't got to talk about it a whole lot. But you know, hopefully we uh will be able to make more clear decisions in the future about what we should do. Hopefully we just you know, slocked deer and don't have to worry about it too much and instead of you know, having some issues here and there with CODs. You know. So it's not fun. No, it's not in your shoes last year. You know. Yeah, it stinks, man. It's a it's a tough thing to deal with. And I hope that any of you listening don't I don't have to deal with it too much. Um, But it is a reality, and we're definitely gonna talk about on the podcast whenever things happen. Right, But maybe there there are some things that like, uh, the whole wide world doesn't need to see because um, not that we're being dishonest and whatnot, but it's just things that, uh, we'll keep tryst hunters. Yeah, that kind of thing, and uh I think that uh um, I'm trying to stay here. Uh. We like Brian so much that you'll probably hear a little more from him from him here and there. Uh, we're gonna be working with Brian and Day six some throughout the next season. So looking forward forward to that. I mean we both shot the Day six stuff this year and and liked it. So it's a shot three here with it and some of the best stuff made. Man. I quickly, Yeah, they did. You know. I was telling um, I was telling our buddy Jake earlier on the phone. Um, you know, I was started shooting him in October and I was I was a little bit resistant to wanting to do that, and you had kind of talked into it. Um, you know, because I I had shot all summer. I mean, it's surely you can understand, you know, I shot all summer as much as this guy right here can fine tune abou I did, you know what I mean? And I worked to do that all summer and I got to where I'm shooting and it's October, and of course nothing happens in Texas in October until late October, so I really hadn't done a whole lot of deer hunting a little bit. But we're talking like in the season. All of a sudden, I'm thinking, you know, we're talking about switching over and trying some new stuff, and I'm like, dude, I don't know. And so I did, though, and I was actually very surprised at how fast my arrows started shooting darts, you know what I mean, Dude, I remember that because you were like, man, this is gonna be a little bit slower or whatever. And I remember you strapped one on and you shooting, Uh, what's an inch and an eighth cut broadheads right or like those are slightly smaller ones, and uh, dude, you strapped it on and then like we strapped stepped out to like twenty yards and he was just and I was like, whoa, your bow is shooting sweet. I mean they were dropping in there, dude, and they still, you know. And I also told Jake this earlier, but I was like, dude, I think because he was talking about how quiet, because I think he's shot Day six this year as well, and he was talking about how quiet. Um, you know it makes your boke shooting be heavy arrow like that. It's like, dude, I already had a quiet bow and it's unbelievable. Like I shot a Texas though, which is an itchy animal, you know what I mean. They're ready to jump out of their skin at any moment. At twenty five yards, which is a jumping distance, don't be string jumping distance, you know what I mean, and smoked her through. I mean I'm talking dead center, dead nuts through the shoulders, both shoulders stuck in the ground on the other side. And I was like, man, um, you know you would expect that a slow, slow arrow would but when you look, when you do the math, it actually, you know, ten fps is not that big of a difference, Like a deer technically has no more time to jump out of the way, you know what I mean. So it's kind of cool, man, It's it's definitely uh. They worked for me this year. Um, they was slicing stuff for sure. So I'm looking forward to to continuing to shoot them. And you know, hopefully one of these days I'll get a bow that has an actual draw lenk that I shoot. It would be cool. You know what help is that dough too? Is that you did shoot a two hundred plus pound dough in Texas. So yeah, she's pretty pretty big and slow, but it did go straight through city, Texas. Yeah, speaking of that kind of stuff, be sure you're if you haven't, go watch those videos. You shot a really nice Texas public land here that not a lot of people have seen, which is crazy. Um, but there's some new videos coming out. Um, it seems like people would rather watch the Iowa video than Texas one. What's to deal with that? I don't know. It's like it was easy Texas was Texas is a hard state to kill? Gumm? Um? Yeah, you could see the road where you shot your But you got a bird video coming out pretty quick here. Yeah, that's uh. So we're hoping to release uh in the same day as the podcast releases, So just depending on when you're hearing this podcast. Uh, it's we're trying to release the bird video on Thursday, so and then after that will be our Texas hag Hunt video, which is a lot of fun. I'm looking forward to that one. Um, it's gonna be a mountain of footage to put together. I think we shot like a hunter gigs in like a day and a half. There's some exciting moments, for sure. I wish we had gotten more of the exciting moments, and we'll probably uh, we're probably gonna have a like an extra camera guy around next year for that. But dude, I watched the go pro footage from when you and Cody shot those pigs on the second day. That's all. That's cool. And it's a little uh, you could tell it was kind of muggy, you know whatever. There's a little bit of fog on the lens, but it was it was cool for sweet man. Well, I'm looking forward to it. Well, it cracks me up is a hog comes out, I don't know how close, Like if it looks close on the go pro, it's probably pretty close. This black hog comes out in front of you and you're like, like, you pull the trigger twice and even shot my gun. Man. I broke my gun down as far as you can break a gun down and cleaned it before the hog hunt. And there's something with the fire and pan that's just not not activating or something. I always thought it was bad shells, But I mean, I don't know nobody else has that problem because some of us all shot the same shells. And I know, like the shells I shot this were pretty fairly new. They hadn't been exposed any water. So something with a gun. Yeah, well it was fun. It's fun gonna be a fun one to watch, so stay tuned for that. But anyway, anything else going on, dude, I mean of stuff I'm fixing had to work so uh, and it's hot up in here. I know that you need it, but either way, I'm definitely warm right now to go outside and get some some cool frost. Yeah, you know. Uh. The last thing is that I know either what Till weather man, but maybe you're the mature buck meteorologist too. Yeah, I go, yeah, I need to I need a poster you do. Anyway, All right, well guys, we're getting out of here. Thanks for listening. I hope you learned something the podcast today, and God bless you guys. Remember this is your element, living it

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