00:00:10 Speaker 1: This is the Meat Eating Podcast coming at you, shirtless, severely bug bitten in my case, underwear lissen ea podcast. You can't predict anything, all right? This here, uh episode of the Meat eat Or digital radio program is dedicated two answering many of the most befuddling questions that come in from listeners and viewers like you who take time to write in and ask a question. Now we get questions. We get a great array of questions. Some people have technical questions. People be like, hey, you know, what's up? I gotta you know, I'm shooting. I got a hundred sixty eight grain. Well it loaded at three and fps, and you know. And some people be like, don't you think that the Clintons introduced wolves to the West as a way of disarming the American population because they knew that the wolves would kill all the animals and there wouldn't be any reason to hunt anymore, and so no one would have guns and that was the plant. So that those kind of questions totallyusible. But in the ray, you know, I'm just trying to it's a wide array of Another good example would be the one that we got the other day about my height. Yeah, how tall. Are you six ft two inches? That's all you look taller. No, you're taller than that six funds. So someone wrote in and was saying, how the eagle is uh tall? And he was saying, I guess there's I could see some upsides and some downsides to be in tall. That's it makes me like, yeah, I wish you would put his height. Um, so we're gonna do it. We're gonna, we're gonna do We're gonna do some questions now. I want to dispatch a couple of the two most common questions these days coming and it's gonna deal with these real quick. Are what in the world is wrong with your the online store where you can get meat, eat your apparel. If we had, if we had three hours tonight, I'll try to explain what is wrong with the online everything's wrong with the online store. Um, there's always like something. It's mostly a story you go to to see, uh, things that you cannot buy. It's like a website one goes to to see things that exists an idea only and are actually unpurchasable. That's every store for me. Oh yeah, just because yeah, just because you're dirt, ask can't afford it. But I'm saying this stuff is just because it doesn't exist. It's like it's perpetually out of stock. Um, So that's that. That will change, and I think that'll change. There's stuff there there. It is worth going and taking a look. You can get some There's some stuff on there. I just don't have any there's no there some great first light media here, embroidered first light stuff in on there. Yeah, that's there. But yeah, just keep checking back on that. Uh. There are two questions. People always want to know what's up with DVDs. I feel like we kind of moved away from DVDs, not we as a culture, but but I don't know if there's DVDs anymore. Yeah, they're in the work. They are gonna come out more dvs. And another question is are there a bunch more we put? Is there a bunch more shows coming on Netflix? Right now? We have two seasons of Meat Eater up on Netflix. You know, the best thing to do is just watch them all the time, and even when you're gone out of your house, leave it on continuous loop and go give it a real good rating. Will be the best thing you can do. If you want more seasons of media. I mean to generate, you know, to to like you as a mug at home. That would be a great thing to do. So that that's kind of like that. Those are the the questions that are just coming in coming and coming in over and over again. Are those three things? And there's and now we're gonna get into more more stuff like uh, technical ballistics and and um and then conspiracy theories and smart stuff. But first, uh, Joannice the Laban Eagle, Good evening. Let's hear dirt myth. You can't wave at him, Garrett, you gotta actually speak hello. Good stuff. And then and then um and and then and then Big Game Hunting Guide author, television personality. They just hate that television television personality. Remy warrant pasting radio voice. I really spice things up. Um. So all right, Yann roll them out. M hm you have. Are you feeling where you want to start? Like planning, technical, or you want to go? I'm gonna let you popular word these days is curate. You're gonna curate the one that you said you could answer with half of your brain tied up. I would love to hear your breakdown of the dichotomy you know what kind of kind of rupt Feel free to um paraphrase yes, question. If they are word questions, I will paraphrase. I'd love to hear your breakdown on the dichotomy between why we need federal management of public lands but state management of wildlife. I am, of course playing devil's advocate with this question, but I could see it may be hard to draw the distinction between why each is better in their respective application. I like state management of wildlife. Okay, let me back up. I like these two issues are half to do with sort of inertia. Okay, so what has been done successfully over time. I'm not a guy that's gonna come and say that the federal government does everything great or that they do everything wrong. And I'm not gonna say that the states always know better or the states don't know work that they're talking about. I think you have to take these things on a case by case basis and also look at the historic context of what's worked and not worked in this country now. The way wildlife management generally works generally, with the exception of of of some species that are migratory and fall under um both state and federal jurisdiction. The way wildlife management in the US generally works is that wildlife is owned by the people, by you and me, by the American public, and it's owned in what's called the public trust. Now, the trustee, the person who manages this public trust has generally been, you know, going back over well over a hundred years, has generally been the states, and the states manage wildlife very well. Now. You can point to some cases where, you know, again going back to the late eighteen nineties, early nine hundreds, where we had a lot of wildlife species go nearly extinct, and we've we've you know, recovered them to great effects since then. But you can go like, oh, yeah, well, have state management so great or if our modelife management system so great, then how calm? You know, we almost extirpated the buffalo from the United States of America. Why did the passenger pigeon go extinct? And the answer there is because the system we have in placed now wasn't in place then. We weren't doing the system we have now. The other thing about state management of wildlife is that I think that the state Fish and Game agencies, all fifty of them, do generally a very good job of managing wildlife as a renewable resource. I find that states tend to be tend to be hunting friendly and do a lot of good science based management, And it's just a system that has served us well and I don't like to see it get interrupted now. And then a species might fall to low numbers and fall under federal protection under the es Air Endangered Species Act, But the object of that act is to give that animal protection, add some extra muscle to protecting the animal with the goal of getting it back off the list. And when it gets off the list, it goes back to state management. So state management is where wildlife kind of, for lack of a better expression, it's kind of where wildlife wants to be. Now, why it doesn't work with with why it doesn't make sense to then say, like, okay, so states do good with wildlife, why shouldn't the states get all of our federal land. Because states have different obligations with assets like land. Now, a lot of states cannot run budgetary deficits. And when a state holds land as an asset and they have a budget deficit, they can wind up in a situation where they need to dump off lands to raise money. The federal government is buffered from a lot of those pressures that come and go with economic trends and economic times. Now, if you take a look, a lot of states got one section out of every thirty six sections as something called school trust lands. So a lot of your state parks and school properties and all that kind of stuff is in what was originally deemed a school trust land, meaning they were the states were given one section out of every thirty six to monetize those sections in order to pay for public education. Texas went in liquidated and sold off virtually all of their school trust lands. So now if you ever wonder about the paucity of public lands in state parks and state forests in the state of Texas, you can blame the desire to dump lands in order to get quick monetary gains. When we're talking about the public land heist right now, what we're talking about is it's being pushed by people who will tell you that our federal lands ought to be given over to the states because people in the states no better than the federal government, because the federal governments just a bunch of big bureaucrats off Washington, d C. Don't know they're you know, I do not what they really want though. What they're getting at is they want to streamline the process of monetizing those lands. They're pissed because it might be hard to get permits to do extreme active industry, to to do various development projects on these lands. They feel that it would be a hell of a lot easier to play ball with the States when you're trying to do exploitation of land than it is with the Feds. So they want to move federal lands to stay control because they know that they will either wind up being privatized that is, sold off to the highest bidder, or they will be much easier to develop and do extraction projects on them. That's what it's about. So ground and critters are just different kinds of things. Yeah, good answer. Yeah, that was a long answer because before you answer, I can answer that in one sentence. I said with with I said it with relative ease. There's a different questionin um No, that was one sense, all right, yehnny, what's the next man cleanliness in the field? Why do you not use gloves? Okay, use the gloves day you just cutting up elk with gloves on. Yeah, but when you're guiding and you're doing it all the time. Here's why I use gloves. I'll give you the glove defense. Hey man, I'm not opposed the gloves. I don't use him, but I actually think it's a good idea. You're never gonna regret using globes. No, because I you know, if you're guiding or whatever, you cutting up a lot of animals. First thing, the blood dries your hands out and they start cracking bleeding. It's actually gets pretty painful, especially when it's cold. So yeah, some people. But I have got blood poisoning before, so that's my and it wasn't. It was on an oak skull that I left out, but I thought and I poked myself with a knife and got the old blood poisoning and that was not Uh So I poked myself in the thumb. But I don't even remember. I barely remember doing it. I went inside um afterwards, I washed with antibacterial soap and water. My friend had called and got a deer, so I went and helped him get it out, and then I hunt it all the rest of the week. Uh. We were in an area where there's a lot of spite, like in the um timber, and there was like a lot of spiders in there, so I thought I maybe got a bit by spider because one day it seemed my thumb kind of itched, seemed agitated and started to feel sore, and it looked it kind of grew like a spider bite. At this point, the the poke was completely gone, it was already healed, so I didn't really even put you know, I I vaguely even remember doing it because it was so minute. Um. Then my thumb really started to hurt and started to swell up and look purplish. It's like, well, maybe it was a bad spider bite. And then I went to bed that night thinking this thing really hurts. And I woke up the next day and it was nearly black, about twice the size, and my whole arm hurt all the way up the veins and my armpit was like and I said, yep, that was and then I and then I put all the pieces to the puzzle together and said, oh, yeah, it was from poking myself. And well, I'll say this, the latex gloves aren't going to prevent the poke, but prevented some of the intrusion of blood into the But what it made me think is, I mean, how many times every time I'm out hunting. I mean, my hands right now are covered and cuts. So if I'm in the blood or anything, and it's because what I'm relating it to is it was such a minute poke. It didn't even cut the skin. Really it would have. It would have been just as easy to be on the hundreds of scratches on my hand, So from thorn whatever, exactly anything. I mean, my hands are covered in that. So when you're in there, if you got something like that in there, you know. And then there's been a couple of times where I've cleaned an animal, eating a sandwich and gotten sick afterwards to like somebody ship like a client may have gut shot something, you know, get it on my hands, rub it off on the snow, eat a sandwich, and I'm violent eel like food poisoning type the next day. Yeah, I'm gonna probably go towards gloves, and um, I wear them now. Messing with rabbits. I'm trying to remember to wear the masks with rabbits because of tu lurimia. So rabbits have a little flee or might out of you know, and that they can bite you and give you a uh, you know, a bacterial infection and they kind of get you all over your arms and everything. But I've been wearing gloves there to prevent those little sons of bitches. And then I'm probably gonna start doing it. Now. I'll tell you a little insider trick. We're up hunting on now Nevak Island. The uh chupic eskimo that we're hunting with. I'm sure a lot of people do this, but they have an idea. Like when you're butchering animal in the super cold, it's just very hard to keep you know, I mean, like the meats warm, but after a while, your fingers are just gonna get cold. They put on a light wool glove and then put the latex loves over that light will glove, and man, does that make it nice. I've done that before, weather cold, weather, field work. It's just a whole different deal man, because you did. Even when you get that warm blood in your hands, the minute you lift your hand away from that thing, it just hands. Yeah. But I will say, though, I think when I'm filming or doing anything for t V, I don't wear gloves because I think it looks weird. I don't like the way it looks really yeah, just like I don't know, but I mean I don't think I do intentionally. But you know, also if i'm I don't know, just it's just easier to wipe your hands off sometimes if I'm messing with a camera or something. Yeah, but I think it's talk about the hygiene gloves. Oh yeah, No, I'm talking like when I'm cleaning an animal. Oh yeah. See, I always in mind the lookout for things because I'm always on I'm always worried about stuff that's like, um, just like turning into a candy ass. So when people first out of hiking with walking with ski poles, I was like, I'm not gonna do that because that looks like one more step in the direction of candy Assess. I felt the same way when people started using gloves, like because I'm always trying to push I'm always trying to like people who think that everything is so risky and dangerous, you know, like who are just like people who are like bizarre about all the stuff they won't eat and they won't go near this, and and I just always like, you know, I'm always a little leery of like over danger the over dangerification of America or the perception of danger. So I lump those things. Then with this problem with people thinking everything is too dangerous all the time, however, I have come to I have many dear friends who hike around with trek and poles people's and I have many dear friends who wear gloves, and I don't think that they're hysterical and worried about everything being dangerous. Makes sense, You got you, you're cool on all that dirt mean certain things I don't do. I will never put chapstick on. Come on, but I got two tubes. I got two tubes in my pocket. Right, we can't even talk anymore. This conversation podcast over that has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. If I shake someone's hand and they have lotion e palms, I'm a little leery of that person. Chai chapsticks thing, No, it's just my mind when I chick. But I use chapsticks. See chapstick to me, you put chapstick on when your lips are bleeding, and you can put it on for the duration that it is bleeding. That is okay. But if your lips are not bleeding, chapstick should never touch you like I use it prophylactically. Oh no, you're addicted. No, it's like it's like Garrett and it's chew. You're speaking a categorically absolutely addicted to you. I do use sunscreen. What is that? Okay, it's preventing cancer, so chess alright, they got dirty cool so far. I'm just curious if you had any bad uh ill effects from not wearing gloves like remy story throughout you know, the ages other than I can't think of anything that's happened to me that it would not have happened. Now, I can think of a couple of hundred things that would have not have happened if I was wearing cutproof gloves. Now that's yeah, yeah, I mean that's I mean my hands, you know, nick, my every I mean everybody that nick and knuckles and you know, I mean that just happens. And yeah, like cutproof cloves. But then you lose some of your dexterity. But you don't lose your dexterity with with yeah called late tex clos I don't know if they see all these keep into but if you nick yourself and then you cover it up, I mean I would just generally put it on like if you cut yourself bad, then you can put the glove on keep everything out of the fresh you know. That's when I pulled the gloves out the other day. I pulled them out after I kept myself in my kid. In my kit, I carry um alcohol swabs, So those little square single serve alcohol swabs. I carry alcohol swabs. I carry um, you know, some sort of triple like neo sporing, triple antibiotic ointment. I carry band aids and I carry tape, and I am very careful about when I get a cut processing, you know, doing field butcher. And I do ship good with water. Then I do ship really good with that alcohol swab. Then I put triple antibiotic ointment in there. Then I put a band in on it, and then I seal it up with med tape. Yeah, that was the best doctor job I've had in the field. Yeah, I'm admin about carrying those things. And I got like a little I got like a real heavy duty little super sort of a little envelope. Yeah, you know, a sealable like reusable double sealed envelope. And in there I keep all that stuff and I keep it righting my kit. And so that might be part of things, because I've had a lot of infections, Like when you're cleaning fish, Like let's say you're cleaning uh um quill bag rock fish and you put that dorsal, one of those dorsal spines into your hand, It's just gonna get infected. Man. You know, follow up question when you got diagnosed or the askers follow up mine, when you were diagnosed with blood poisoning. Did they explain like exactly what happens in that instance, Like obviously the elks blood got through the cut. You know what it was. It was a it was an old skull, right, yeah, well it was a it was a fresh skull. But I left it out in the sun and then it started to stink. You know, it was like I had yeah, yeah, so because I packed it out, put it in a bag, left the bag there and like sunbeat on it. Gosh, that stinks. I'm just gonna saw the skull and then poked myself somehow. You know, I don't even know if I you know, I must have been with a knife or something something. Did they did? They treat it with a souped up antibiotic, yeah, and ivy and then yeah days no, I did it was only two days of ivy and then or however long of the souped up pills like four pills at every you know pill every four out or whatever it is. It's just like a random enough bacteria that there's not seen like often, and so when this happens, it's just it's so heavy duty and it attacks your body with such strength that you have to take those kind of measures. Right, yeah, well, yeah, somehow what happens what I'm no doctor, but I'm assuming the best. Yeah, tell me. Okay, So I started hurting right here. Um, No, So the bacteria is essentially in your bloodstream because you're the reason my arm pit was swoll up was my lymph nodes were trying to process the bacteria from getting it to the rest of my body. Is what I gathered. But ye think we should do another question. Yeah, that's a good follow up question. Yes, Oh, I like this one. That's wrong kind of dead meat and we've only got two done. Man, all right, Um, a little prayer phrasing here. Uh, my name is Matt. I shot a white tailed dough six pm Friday evening. Um, we treat the deer tampi in the same night temperature was cold, but coyotes got to my dear first. They started eating the hind quarter. My question is should I still eat the deer? Yeah? Why not eat what the eat was not messed up with? The select the side the coyotes put strychnine in the air or something. Yeah, it's affect anything. If you're worried about it, just trim off where they bit. Yeah, unless the deer turns to werewolf. Yeah something weird. Yeah, of course, man, I mean just I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I would trim around any kind of damage they did. But yeah, that's a big deal. Man. I've got more friends that that's happened to. Now. Carl Malcolm has had that happened to him. He hit an antelope. Uh, I care if he's bow hunt. Maybe he's I can't here. I think he's bow hunt. Hit an antelope and gave it a half hour and went down to track it. Now, when he went down the goalie where it ran into to track it, he heard an antelope run off and then he's like, shoot, I got a bad hit and I just bumped it. Then he waited a long time later until he started hearing all kinds of coyotes yepping and carrying on. Then he goes down there and in fact, the one was laying right It was laying right dead where he thought it was. The one that ran off. Must have been something else or jumped another antelope bot there and just in that or a period of time while he was nearly present, like nearby, they gottadn't start messing it all up. Yeah, trimmed it up and used it. You know, I don't even remember. I don't remember the detail. I mean, I remember that part of about remember what happen from there. I'm just saying, like people, you know, you hear a lot about people losing stuff to coyotes. I would be, you know a lot of guys of bowl hunt, you know, they'll get it hit and they'll come back in the morning. I would be, we never did that. I don't like to do that. I'd be extremely reluctant to do that unless I live in the area that had very low coyote numbers and it was like about ten degrees below zero. I killed an elko my bow one time, and we were out and it was a bad grizzly area. I killed in the evening. Um it was you know, when we started working on it, it was already dark, and we didn't want to gut it because we knew that if we gutted it, the smell of the gutting would have grizzlies all over it. And this is early season and days were pretty short, and so we just went back down to our tents and got our stuff and slept and then went back up there at first light. And it was a cold night. I went back up there at first light and thought it would be cool, and some meat around that bulls ball sockets on the rear hams had already started to sour. We lost probably I don't know, five ten pounds of meat from around the ball sockets on the back hams. So um, yeah, you gotta get after it. I was wondering people are talking about, oh yeah, we went back next day, and then I'm thinking about the weather, and I was like, maybe this isn't part of the story you're telling me. But there's no way that things. There's no way you didn't lose parts of that. In my experience, I've I've like if I make a shot or even you know, you just don't know. You don't want to push the ad because the last thing you want to use push the amy you will not find if if I have an archery line or something, they shoot it elk or something further back. The last thing I want to do is push it because I know I won't find it, you know, but I know if I leave it, I'll find it. Um This year, my dad shot a meal dere in August in Nevada far back. You know, we left it overnight. We found it, you know, pretty much. I don't know after sent up, but you know, I've been sitting there. It was warm, but all the meat was good. I've never lost any meat of anything I found the next day, not wanting that only had me that one time, and that was the only time I ever had left something ungutted overnight. I mean, I feel like an elk is age different. It is different, but I mean I've had I've had hunters that we've we've gone back the next day to find him. Most of the time it's probably pretty cold, and I can't and just in my experience, I can't personally think of losing any meat, and I feel like we often. I mean, I am because because I've maybe because I've never lost anything. I'm the kind of opinion better be safe than sorry and just come back tomorrow. Yeah, if I hadn't had that experience, and yeah, I mean, it'd be really helpful if I knew, if I could tell you, like, oh, the air temperature was this. I remember it was like not below freezing, but a cool night. And we were back up at first light. So it was in September and I killed it right at dark. We were back at first light, and it was it was like unquestionably soured around the ball joints. So alright, we never lost the single one that I can remember in Colorado in ten years that we would leave and I don't know that might have been saying you never lost any meat or we never lost any meat really, but the one that we that we once in Arizona, we left the bowl overnight, found him first first thing in the morning. He was shot at dark, found him first first thing in the morning, and we lost half that olt. Did it rain that night, but it definitely didn't get blow freezing. It was probably like a you know, mid to low forties kind of an evening. Yeah, I can see it. I mean, elk retain heat so well that I can see it happening without. But I think, dear, I think, I don't know, you'd probably be better off maybe letting him say if it was a marginal shot and pushing a gut shot. Dear. Yeah, you gotta think about it too. I mean, it's really I don't want to belabor the point, but yeah, take serious. What what Remmy is saying here about not pushing stuff? Yeah, not pushing animals, because because if you get a questionable hit on an animal, it's very likely going to run off and not far and lay down and probably die. Now, the thing about pushing him is it's not that if you go after something and push it, it's not that you're prolonging it's life. You're just moving it to a alce. You're not gonna find it like that thing. Maybe he's gonna be live for X amount of time. Now, if he spends that tire that time that he's alive hauling ass, he's gonna be you know, he when he expires, he's gonna be out of place where you have no way of finding him if there's no good blood trail. So yeah, you gotta be careful not to. Yeah, you just gotta wait your options. I've been in. I've been in that situation quite a number of times, especially when I was younger, when we like a lot of us friends, family, like a lot of people out doing a lot of bow hunting for white tails and doing you know, like in the month of October, in the month of November, spending you know, having a lot of blood trailing experiences throughout that time that you're getting that thing where you're going along on a trail and all of a sudden you hear something crash off in the brush and you just get that sinking feeling like, man, this is gonna turn into a chase, you know. Yeah, this one comes from Emmett. Renny, You're gonna be a great help on this one. Emmett would like to go to New Zealand. D I y red red stag on public lands. Does not want to hire a guide or go to a ranch, not even really want to hire you remy I on guide. He'd probably go with this orchestrate. He doesn't want to hire an orchestrator. An orchestra. What about a concierge. You can you can write a few chapters of a book off this question, But um I can answer that question. Let me back make sure I got it right. He wants to go to New Zealand and do a d I Y public land red stag hunt. Got it. I don't know the answer, but I'm guessing that's hard. Okay, Yeah, here's all he has to do. I mean, first he has to have realistic expectations if he wants to be successful. He's not going to shoot a big giant stag like he sees on TV. So if he knows that going into it cool, then he'll have a great time. Then the only other thing he needs to do just go on the Department of Conservation website New Zealand Department of Conservation website and study it because it will show him essentially everywhere he can go that has red deer to hunt. So finding the spot, which is kind of the hard part of hunting. Sometimes where should I go? They'll just pretty much tell you where to go, and unlike here where they just kind of give your general area, they'll tell you exactly where you can access the trailhead a phone number to call to get permission to cut through land, and you can be on your way. I mean, it wouldn't hurt too Maybe make some friends via the social media that's out there of people that hunt and kind of pick their brains and don't ask them necessarily where they hunt, but where they might think about. If you go to someone say what do you think about this place or this place and be friendly in a conversation, you'll probably find that you'll get a lot of help. Yeah, it's you have to go out of your way to find a kiwi that's not gonna be friendly, friendly and give you some info. Yeah, And I mean, I'm sure there's some people to take the approach oh stay up. But to be honest, most people are like, oh, yeah, that's awesome. And really, if I lived in New Zealand or whatever and an American was like, hey, you know, where could I go, I'd be like, I would give them information because someday I may want to go hunt in America and see what their world's all about. And it's just a great way to connect with people. I mean, I've I've met a lot of cool people while being out there, and I've met people on the trails out there and been like, oh, hey, next week we're going to this spot. Want to come with us? Yeah, I'd love to. And you know, it's just uh it's just a really friendly hunter friendly place. Aren't there some permit draw hunts for red deer? Yeah they are, but um, you know that if you're going over for the first time, just I wouldn't even worry about it. I just go. They are they're they're They're an extremely difficult access the permit draws, aren't they in Like it's some part of the island that's very difficult to be in. Yeah, so it's actually getting more popular in a lot of places there. There's like a fiord Land Wappety block which is like our elk and that's so during the roar is the only time you can go in there any other time, but there's like permits just during the peak of the rut. Well, so that's not red deer um. There's some some of the units have read deer, some of the units are more elk, A lot of them are crossbread. Okay, I go, but yeah, first time that you don't need to worry about messing with that. Yeah. And then there's a there's a book you could buy online. It's called spot X. It pretty much marks every hunting spot on like a really easy to read map tells you how to get there. And what the people saw. It's pretty easy. Wow, spot X. That guy came to the right place. Many Brandon asks, how about a workout guide slash tips for a Midwest person planning a fall elk cunt in Montana? I think we just did this for a long time, recently talked about this subject. Let's move on to different stuff. One time I was gonna know, didn't we did? We talk for a long time. Yeah, in Colorado, just to walk all the time up and down. It's not about trying to get your neck thicker than your wider years. It's about endurance. Can I add something to that though, because this is a lot. If it's okay to answer this question, then we can just add a little bit. This is this is my take because I've you're if you're gonna come to Montana wherever and do a hunt, Okay, you're doing all this workout to be ready, but you're gonna be wearing a pair of boots that you've walked in for a couple Just just talk about this. I'm like, if you're gonna do, here's what you should do. If you're gonna go hunt next year where you're hunting boots every day to work. Where are your hunting boots every day? Like, if you're gonna wear a stiff pair of boots, a pair of Canna track boots takes fifty miles to break in, and that's and when you start walking up hill they break in different. So whatever boots you're gonna wear, you need to wear them every day. Yeah. I was just talking about this just as important. And I was saying, when people are gonna talking about I'm going on this big Old West your hunt, what should I do there? I was like, what knife should I get? I'm like, no, no, no no, there's two days you need to do. Get in good shape and break your boots in. And no one ever ever does either of those two things. I deal with a lot of people on their first LT hunt or like first time out West, or even guys that just aren't used to it, come out all hunting. Everyone's feet or tore up. They never believe you. They can't like there's something in the human mind that cannot accept that it takes a long time to break boots and boots and feet. Yeah, I mean if your feet, I've seen feet that are so tore up it cripples you more than being out bad feet. I've seen feet problems ruin more hunts than any other cause what I do, um, I walk around barefoot. I'm sorry, you're hearing from right now from a man who's wearing a pair of ugs. These are mugs. They're man hugs. They were made before They're from Australia and they were made before uggs ever exists. They were a gift. And you're lounging. You're lounging around. You know, I should point out he doesn't actually have the next, but I do. I do walk around barefoot a lot to break my like callous my feet up. I walk around like I actually hike barefoot quite often, just to get him tough. What's the next, Brad asks, Well, he's first. He says, he's a first generation hunter, new father, and he's looking forward to the day he can take his kids out in the field. He's interested to hear how you Steve plan on introducing all the thing is a lifestyle activity to your kids. Oh uh, that's a quick question. Well, my kids like at our house when you know, when they when we eat dinner at night, we just eat game meat um, and then we talk about that. That's the first step. I think that's one of the more important steps. First off, is they just have that approach, so when they sit down, their assumption is is that we're eating dear me um. And I think that starts to put I feel that's kind of put them in the right mind frame of how to think about animals and understanding because it creates a lot of conversations about where the stuff comes from, what it requires, what kind of sacrifices on our part as society requires to you know, maintain productive wildlife populations, and what goes into harvesting wildlife, and and getting into conversations about sex and death and stuff like that. That's been a that's been a key thing and getting my kids interest in the outdoors. Um. The other thing that that, uh, that I I like to do is is take them out um fishing, because I think that kids can you can have good experiences fishing with kids much younger than you have good experiences hunting with kids. I take them out the areas sometimes where it's like high like high action fishing, right, catching a lot of fish. But I don't want to spoil them like that, so you know, sometimes we'll go to areas where it's not high action, But I think mainly was trying to make it fun and try to force him a little bit and push him a little bit and and get in there and bossom around a bit, and you know, and showing that the whole that everything in life isn't just someone telling you how great you're doing it everything, but also to be sensitive to um their attention span, whether or not they're comfortable. My dad, uh, he pushed us really hard and put us into a lot of physically uncomfortable situations. He was a big ice fisherman. Um, I froze my fingers bad a couple of times when I was a little kid. You know, I kind of looked back and marvel that didn't backfire like that. He didn't push us away from wanting to be in the out of doors with some of the approaches that he took. I tried to make those mistakes, but I try to also realize that you are sort of showing them, um, that a good life skill is to be comfortable being uncomfortable. And so yeah, just I guess, even though that all sounds somewhat contradictory, I guess it's a approaching it not in a haphazard way, but but making an approaching way where you're sort of thinking it out, making a plan, weighing where the kids at what they're doing, and just try to act in a conscientious way as you bring them into the world. And um, I'm sure there's a hundred good ways of doing it, and probably one of the keys is to do it in a way where you're analyzing, You're you know, you're you're you're thinking about your next step, and you're being mindful with it and not being blase about it. How about you got young kids? Yeah, no, it's been Uh, it's been interesting. I think that, like you're saying, being conscientious about how you do it and making sure they're having a good time. Um, And I think that putting the time in now and really and just and just taking a step back and being, um, I guess humbled by the situation and just knowing that like because I'm always thinking like, oh, I'm squeezing an antilope punt, I'll take my daughter with me. Well I'm not really squeezing an anilop punt at that point. It's like I'm taking my daughter hunting. And it's like it just changes the whole game. You have to be out there not really thinking like, Okay, what am I gonna do to kill an antilope? It's like what am I gonna do to make sure she enjoys herself? Yeah, maybe we'll kill something, maybe we won't. But um, and I think that I think I could see, I could see how would be very easy. I don't know it's many people to do this, but I can see how it can it be very easy to say, oh, I'm gonna hunt with them when they're like older and they turn into you know, more mature people, and then they can just hunt with me as opposed to happen to go through the process that we're going through now late Well, yeah, exactly, it's kind of too late. We're like, like you're saying, start them off fishing with some high action fishing, because you know then that will turn them into like big game hunters. Although I've taken her probably on just so many big game hunters as I have fishing trips. Um, it's you know, a carrier on my shoulders all the way up to top of the ridge. Then we make like a yard walk down the ridge and I carrier in the dark, you know, back down to the truck. You know that's kind of the end of the hunt. Um, but it's uh yeah, it's like just taking the time now, I feel like and then hope. I'm hoping then in five years it's gonna pay off. Oh yeah, you can't all of a sudden wait to your kids like a teenager and be like, sound, there's this thing I like to do. Yeah, it's just like, you know, maybe that will work for you, but it's not gonna be as good. Another trick I try, I should call a trick. Another thing that I noticed works for people and it works well for me is don't start filling your kids heads up with ideas of like big white tails or certain fish being cool and certain not fish not being cool, and like, oh, king salmon, now that's a great fish. But pink salmon, you know, if we catch one, sure, but may think it's king salmon. You know, when you kid catch the fish, it is it is time to celebrate. I don't care if it's you know, a mountain whitefish or a pink salmon, or a bluegill or a rock bass or a chub. It's like when your kid catch the fish, that's something. Bitching fish is the coolest thing. In the world. You've always wanted to get one like that. You go home, you make a big deal out of cooking that fish. Moms, like, man, that's the best fish I ever had, Right, it's exciting. It's not like there is no like, oh, it's just a pinky there's a pink salmon. No, it's like, man, dude, you call the coolest fish in the ocean, because like they're just you know, I mean, kids are simple, man, I mean there's like, uh, they put a high value on getting approval from people they respect and um, and for me, I don't need to act like I think chubbs and pink salmon are cool. I do think they're cool. And I let them know that I think they're cool, and then you know, I kind of amplified a little bit and just like that kind of encouragement. Man, what's another question, Johnnie. Was there ever a hunt or a view? I'm guessing a view as in like a beautiful landscape they got you emotional or in parentheses cry what was it? Now? This is under the category of miscellaneous fun. Oh yeah, yeah, I'll say, Okay, was there ever? So the question is was there ever? I will say yes, there was yes, there was no oh really yeah, uh couple of yeah, some of were too hard to explain. Um. One example was watching a One example was watching uh a indigenous you know, and an indigenous person in in South America build an arrow with native materials. Um. One was like living somewhere a long time and then moving away a long time, and then going back to that somewhere and kind of remembering a lot of things that happened there. Ship like that. Yeah, very a different times handful of things. And then things surrounding you know, um, my dad dying and my dad at old age wasn't like he died young, but like, yeah, things surrounding my dad dying in time we spent in the out of doors definitely happens. Well you yeah. I mean I can think of lots since I mean like actually, um yeah, like the first first d that meal deary that I shot with my recurve, you know, I mean it was like a very you know, I was like, okay, well, you know, like a lot of work went into it and it happens, and I think that's you know, it can be like a rush of emotion. Um yeah. I mean there's a lot of things that I've seen. It was like, holy cow, that's a crazy view. And it makes you really sit and think about things. I mean, I remember one time sitting um actually where you guys went to deer hunting this year, up on that ridge, and I mean, it's a moment I'll remember for the rest of my life and just laying up looking at the stars and it's like on the top of that ridge the stars are almost below you, and thinking, oh my god, I feel so small, you know, so this is weird just being here, you know, those kind of thoughts. I was there day I took my six year old. My six year old played hooky with me for half the day because I took him to the rifle range and we're coming back from the rifle range and we drove by, uh a house we were renting before we moved into the house we recently purchased. And as we were driving, we're driving over a bridge and we were looking at a beach where we would always swim and looking at a place where we would fish perch and my six year old and I was like, oh, yeah, I remember, Jimmy, this is like you know, and you know, it had only been a year ago, but when you're six. It's like a humongost check of your life. Right. And he said to me, he says, sometimes I'll remember things and it makes me cry inside my brain, but in a happy way. And I'm like, yeah, man, I don't know what you're talking about, dude, zick what you're talking about that? Yeah, I can't follow that one up. Jimmy gets the quote of the night. That's a good one. Uh. Does the state target beginner hunters with once in a lifetime tags out of the assumption they're less likely to fill their tag? No? No, next question they won't even know. Does hunting become work when it's your job? Is that a trick question? No? Okay, that was inherently that was a paraphrase version. When my season, this is the full question. When my season ends in December, I start to think about next season, doing it month after month. Does it take away your love for the outdoors, for the excitement of the accomplishments? I guess what I'm saying. Does it just become your job? No? No, I mean I'm very aware of what my job is. Oh, but here here's a good way of putting now. And I'd be curious to hear Rammy's take on it. Um, I guess my job, my job has My job was like to two things, right, So it's having experiences as a part of my job. Translating experiences is a part of my job. I think that having the experiences is really no difference, really like very similar to probably anyone's enjoyment of like meaningful life experiences. Right like when I'm out doing it, if we're out on a hunt, you know, the old before like a hunt that I was gonna write about, or now we're out filming a hunt, the actual hunting part. It just feels like having an experience that you want to have and it's playing out how it plays out the work for me, And I don't mean and I don't use work in a negative way because I'd love to work. The work for me is or the job aspect is translating it into something that that is pleasurable, entertaining, informative for other people. I guess that's like the work part. But I love that part. But I think of that as the work part. I don't think of like when we're actually out on the mountain, you know, like filming a hunt. I don't know it doesn't feel to me at all like, um, like, oh man, I'm at work. I'll say to people, I'm like, yeah, we know, well we're out at work. We eat a lot of mountain house. But it's just like a sort of a shorthand way of explaining that I'm out. But it doesn't feel like that. I'm sure it's different you guys who are there because you're not actually hunting, and then you know Remy, I'm sure it's got different. I think from a person to person. I think all of us on our crew and a lot of people that we hunt with, you know, like Remy, we're brought up in families where work ethic was pushed very hard. Are like we're not scared of the hard work and the physical work, and it's not like you go like you're not dreading that out there. I mean, there's plenty of people that would come on days with us and be like the hell with that, but like for us, it's it's fun and so yeah, I think I think when in quotations, when people say that like doesn't become work, it's like, no, it's like we're lucky enough that our in quotations work is this great thing that we enjoy. Yeah, productive, Like I'm only happy like being productive. It could be like being productive as a parent, or or being helpful and productive as a husband, or being you know, like like I I don't like idole. I don't like idle moments. And so when we're out, it's like two fold because one one thing is you're out doing something that I love and have always loved and that I set out wanting to find a way to make it work as for a living. And the other hand, I am doing something, I'm producing something, and so yeah, I just I feel nothing, but but good I do. I'd have to agree with you though. For me as a cameraman, it is work with the duty to the responsibility to capture what you're trying to convey to the larger public, like that the physical activity, the long days, whatever that's in like camaraderies all there's a big technical aspect for you because you're dealing with love equipment. So it is it's definitely a combination of like, this is exactly what I want to do, but also like there's this uh accountability for what we're experiencing, and it's work to stay focused on that. Like you can't just internalize this experience you're having to work to, you know, keep track of it and make sure you capture it to its best ability. But it's it's definitely different than most people's work. Oh yeah, no, you like you as a caraman, I would be more like you said, like, yeah, like you've been working all day, like you've been doing your craft all day. Yeah, I've been doing the same. So like you know what I'm hunting. It's like like the way we work though, um, the hunts are the hunts are like in large measure, what happens is what would happen in the absence of the cameras without a doubt. Yeah, I mean to to almost like a stunning degree, we found a way to do it where like where where what would happen is happening. There's some things that that that are that are different. Everything seems to take a little bit longer, a little bit different, But you know it doesn't bother me. We're it's like we're out there like um, like like creating some creating some false spectacle. Yeah, sometimes I feel like I've never worked. I haven't worked a day in my life in my job. While working extremely hard at the same time, because I enjoy it, Like if I wasn't, I feel like when it becomes work, it is definitely difficult. Otherwise everyone would do it. You know, there is an element where you have to really dig in and work really hard. I mean, I was telling you the other day, Well, I'm actually I'm just like a lifestyle guy. I loved hunting so much. I knew since I was a kid that I wouldn't hunt. I could hunt every day. I'm the type of person that I could just do this every day. And when I graduated and was a younger man, I said, how am I gonna be able to hunt every day as I'm gonna be able to do it guiding. So when I first started guiding, I worked my ass off. I mean I would pack out elk all night long just to be there, show back up first thing in the morning to go back out again to be successful, and constantly be hunting. Remy would have his clients back sleeping and he would go out in the dark and walk looking for tracks in the snow. Oh yeah, I would. I would go out and scout just like drive roads, looking for where elk we're crossing, you know, look for tracks anything, come back, pick him up head back, you know, just I mean because it was tough work, but I loved it because it's like, this is how I can be outside hunting all the time. And then over the years it's morphed into other things TV, this, that and the other thing. But still I only do it because that's the way that I want to live. So as long as I can make a means to be out there hunting, it's it's the same as it's always been. Now there's times where yeah, you feel like, oh dude, and and it's maybe a little bit different for me. I think if I had a family and other things, then would feel more like an obligation, whereas you guys, you guys have that because you have other obligations. I have at this point no other obligations, so I don't have that pressure of when I go out hunting, it's not me detracting from other obligations I have in life, you know, it's it's my only obligation. So for me, it never feels like like work. But I could see it some times feeling hard, like just like anything where but I don't think it would ever take away my love of hunting. Yeah, that is a big downside is the family is she? But I think that probably goes beyond the I'd speak to that, but it kind of goes beyond the scope with the of the question is asked, what's next? Yes, Um, we've done this one before, but I think we can just touch on it again because I think are about the Clintons and the wolves. That's actually true. Ran into a guy today, right, Oh yeah, tracks wolves? Yeah? Can we talk about this guy? No? I don't think all right. Oh, but the question is, um, how do you air travel with meat? Oh? Do these coolers and dry ice regulations of the airlines approximate cost um? We have a very good sece them, um when it comes to butchering your own So we butcher our own stuff. And here's what we do when we're traveling. If we get it, when we kill an animal, we butcher it into primal cuts, so basically break it down into into muscles. And then we have trim bags. Okay, so you gotta broken down your big muscles, anything you're gonna grind up for burger sausages, whatever, We call that trim. We put all of it into gallon sized ziplocks labeled put a real good chill on it or if need be, freeze it. Then pack those into coolers. Now we use the soft sided YETI coolers those forty as forty Yettie hoppers because they don't weigh anything. Because when you pack, when you check a bag on the airline, you know it's it's gotta be fifty pounds or else you gotta pay extra. So when I load a box up with fifty pounds of meat, I want to be as much meat and as little cooler as possible. So that's why we started using those hoppers, because you're when you pack a fifty pound box, you got forty plus pounds of meat and not like half and half cooler to meat ratio. Fly at home, then as soon as we get home, we divvy that up. Take those bags home, properly, wrap them and freeze them. What do you uh, what will you normally chill them in? It could be anything. Man, We've done someone We've gone up and gone in, eating in a restaurant and then being like, hey man, here's the deal, right, we have ben had cold weather and chilled them outside. I've done I explained another thing I've done before and kind of got in trouble with it when I mentioned it on a I was on an NPR program once and mentioned the strategy I had for chilling meat and then the rate, and then they got a couple of complaints that I heard about, um, and I got reprimanded by it from the network for saying what it was. But that's a good it's a good meat chilling strategy. Um. Other what you put chill on stuff, well, I would say, we gotta be you gotta be cautious with the hoppers and dry ice. Oh ship, yeah, man, those things are air tight. Don't put dry ice in the hopperable up like a hand garnaide. You know what you can do though? Yeah, but I think because the airlines, if there's a potential for it, I stick a straw in there and then I'm like, it's vent Yeah, I don't you we don't. We don't use dry ice just right. We did one time we have overnight at the hotel. Yeah out yea one night. We couldn't find a good chill player. But you know, a lot of guys man like like some taxidermists have coolers, some butchers have Some butchers will do meat storage. The Seattle Airport, for instance, has a has a guy there I can't remember. His name was like Ken's like freezer and he's right in Sea Tech Airport and you can bring him a box and he just put in the freezer and charge you like a nominal fee to leave it in his freezer. We've gone in and uh, not long ago I gave We had a guy go home with the meat. He just went to his hotel. They found some freezer space for him. Some hotel rooms have those little mini fridges. Uh. We're just out in Colorado hunting and we had a place that had one fridge. Turned the freeze around full blast, put everything into put everything in the freeze, or you can put turn the fridge all the way down, putting the fridge, swap it around. You know. It's like once you get the body heat off an animal and get a chilled it's remarkably stable. Man, it's remarkably stable. I do a lot of the same same things you guys do, but just a reminder if you do try to use dry ice, to throw it on top, not the bottom, because it'll freeze if it's on top, but if it's on the bottom, it'll just refrigerate whatever is in there. If you're trying to freeze it. Oh, if you lay something up, yeah, as long as because the dry ice the cold drops, so the temperature is actually colder underneath dry ice. Then if you put the meat on top of the dry ice, and so you're saying loaded. So if you want to, you can use dry ice to refrigerate or to freeze. So if you want to use dry ice to refrigerate, you put dry ice on the bottom of the cooler, your meat on top of, like above the dry ice. If you want to use dry ice to freeze, you put the meat in the cooler on the bottom and dry ice on top of the meat. You know that. That's funny you mentioned that because I've seen that where um trying to chill stuff in coolers in the hotel. We just went and bought a few whatever, like one two palm blocks dry ice, and then I threw the dry ice on top and it froze solid. Yeah, froze the damn meat. Yeah. Yeah, started freezing the meat downward slid. Yeah. Yeah, actually freeze it like colder than a freezer. One. My kids love to play with that stuff. Man, But um, yeah, I found I've always done it that way. But I also found a new method that I'm trying out and I'm just um, you can find if you can find a place ahead of time, if you know where you're hunting, that will air freight it because you have to have a licensed air freight. So I used to have that license and then after then I had that. I had an air freight license, but it changed after so but the air freight, So from Alaska, I could I got a whole moose home for a hundred and fifty bucks air freight. I used to have what was called known shipper status un Alaska Airlines, and you could go and check a bag and not be on the plane. You could send the thing down. Your body just goes down to the baggage claim, picks up your bag and walks up the door before you can do with the air freight. Air freight. Um, as far as the cost aspect of that, so we all fly a fair bit, you know I have on Alaska Airlines, you know I have. You get the frequent flyers status. IOUs get my first two oftentimes my first three bags free. Um. But if you're not doing that, I mean you're it's go on the airline's website and find out what extra baggage costs are. I know some guys that to save costs bringing meat home that will go to an FFL send their rifle home. So you can send your rifle to yourself. Um, you don't even need to use an FFL to send it to yourself. If you're gonna be on the receiving end. Orders guys to just do rifles shipping where they package it up and ship it down to you charge of small fee. It's cheaper than having an extra bag. And then they'll take all their clothes and any kind of light bulky items put in the box and send a ups ground and get it. So they're gonna own check like one to three bags on the airline and have to be there just flying home with their meat so they can get it there quick and not try to be sending it ups or something like that because it's you know, overnighting or two day and can be very expensive. So they'll mail their gear home fly home with their meat. Yeah, and you can only mail your rife firearm through United States Postal Service. You cannot use but you can go down. This is kind of like a little known fact man, as you can if you're gonna be the one that opens if you're gonna be the one that receives it. You can opens it, you can send it. It's not an FFL transfer core for you to send your gun to someone. But all over place, like all over places, they're like hunting destinations. There are services that will box and ship your rifle. Yeah, through the United States, so through yeah, but that's just like they'll just you know, they got all the yeah, because you can't just you know, you have to you gotta package it up and stuff. So, um, you've got time for one more. This would be a good quickie and uh get some nice tips out of it. But um, I forget the guy's name to ask with the gal. But favorite piece of gear under twenty bucks. Hmm, think about it. One piece of gear, one piece if you have to, you can say two. If you have two favorites, go your answer. I'm just still thinking cigarette lighters and then um, chunks paracord. That that's what I would have said. Dang it, that just got yeah paracord lighter. I mean use it for everything that's way less than bucks. You still got you got because you got left. Yeah, because the striker on the jet boil doesn't last long. It's like a cigarette lighter, dude, It's like, yeah, what's the thing you camping you got cause you got your load around it lighter? You need four? You have four lighters, one for every pocket, jackets all over. At the end of the trip, you'll barely be able to find one. Yeah, you'd be like yeah, and then you'd be the guy who goes like, hey, do you kep on? You get your lighter on? You duct tape? Put some duct tape on your lighter or your steve yeah you know, I like yeah, put like, um, yeah, I wrapped duct tape around my lighters. And different people use different colors. You can kind of claim your lighter wrapped my nalgene bottle or whatever with it. But in para cord, it's like I don't like that. Yeah, I mean when it comes to hunt, it's just like I always have a chunk of para cord. Oh zip, I carry zip strips, cable ties. Those are inexpensive. I use those for last suff putting tags on animals, but also just like various repairs, backpack fixes. I mean lots of like in my little kit, which is a very small bag, but it's it's put together in a precise way. Um. I guess nothing in that the bag itself about eighty bucks from outdoor research. No, no, no, no, no, they're not that the no, the little uh the bad country organizing, back country organizer, what do they Okay, so that's not that gear, my outdoor research, backhuntry organizer. Nothing in that bag, um, including like a little bit kid I have with a with a bit that fits all the things like your bo parts, rifle scope parts, whatever kind of bit, whatever bit kid I grab for what I'm doing that doesn't even cost twenty bucks, and an indore I got like my med kid, which definitely doesn't cost twenty bucks. Japstick Grammy doesn't carry that um which doesn't cost twenty bucks. You start a fire with chastick though, that's my you know what my fires, you know, my go to fire starter is now taking belly button line. No close uh, because the t s A guys don't want you flying around with the chemical arders. I take cotton balls. I take one of dirt miss chew tins, Okay, and then I take cotton balls and rubbed vass lene into cotton balls, pack those in there and then I take heartwood, slivers of heartwood and put it in the chew tins. So in my chew tin is vas leine, rubbed cotton balls, and a shipload to fit in there. Some heartwood sticks are in there, and that's it. And then I have vas lean when I need it. If you need to protect your if bad wind chap or you know, chap lips that it doesn't happen to remy or any nuther things. You got chast with Manny. Those little balls light right up and start fires, great man, and the t s a guys don't steal them. That is definitely does a cost of twenty bucks, I found there's some good like some surprisingly cheap headlamps that are really good too, like the ones you get at home depots, some energizer ones or ray Vack ones or some battery company ones. I got the world's most expensive headlines and it's just as good as the seventeen dollar energizer that No one asked about the headlines, but I got some real opinions about headlands. Will say that for an our time, Dirt, you got any things you like to cost twenty bucks? I think like you get drunk. Yeah, transportation. No, I'd say for sure, just a kit. You gotta have a kid, and you can do it for under twenty bucks. Just put it in something that stays organized. It's like, no, you can't make the whole kid for owner twenty bucks. I think so. I mean the basics, like lighter pechord, the pcord that we buy, well, yeah, fifty, it's like fifty yards of that or yeah, everything in my kit added up is worth well over twenty but nothing in there, no individual part of my kit excluding the O R. Bad Country Organizer. What kind of what bag do you run for your stuff? Same? You run the same thing? Yeah, what do you use? Remy kind of dumps it all into his backpack and it spends all this day looking for it. You know when I when I'm using my normal backpack, everything has a specific place and I have specific pockets. Okay, so this I've just been seeing you, even seeing me frazzled my friends. He had known I was. They're producing a great adbundage. Not the one I wanted though, Um, Johnny, twenty dollar piece of gear, something that probably lives in my little war back country kit. I'm trying to think something you guys haven't mentioned war Snake, but I don't know. It might be over twenty bucks. They I think, I think you're a penny editor. You're saying, there's no way you're gonna come and tell me that that's your most chairsh No, you guys like you know, picked out all the good stuff out that little kid um you know Len's wife is a is a pretty nice piece of gear that's well under twenty bucks. I always love to have a wyndicator, like a tube of powder unsented talk pop. Yeah, And like, I think it's bullshit that people are always trying to like being like, man, that four dollars it costs me for that vindicator because whatever they do, they somehow make the puff these stuff so much better and finer than when you use it all up. And then you're like, I'm just gonna throw some baby powder in there. Hunt with so many guys that are pulling out there, you know, big fat tube of baby powder and they're shaking it. It ain't coming out, it's clogged whatever that it's what they put in there, I believe, And I don't know. I've never tried to find it in bulk. It's unscented talc powder, which is baby powder. It's just talk, isn't it. I don't know. Unsented baby powder smells like like well we think babies smell like, is actually powder. I liked it. This is probably super simple, but I just had thought of it for your wind indicator. My lighter. Yeah, yeah, that's all I use. It depends if I'm like around here, I grab that. Yeah, just crumple it and click it, and the spark in it just makes it smoke for a while. But a lot of times I just used the flame itself. Yeah, tell the wind direction. I mean you can't really sense thermals and other things. But for the most part, I flick the lighter depending on which way that flames blowing. I know. And it's nice too because I can use it in the dark. So I I that's I keep my lighter as my wind indicator. Yeah, I use like um and I use the grass as well. Yeah, bits of grass, seed, tops, all stuff. Um. Dust like the main thing, like if it's there, if it's dry, just dust, but if it's wet out. The reason I liked a little and I'm not like a habitual what do you call those things? The week caround like wind indicator windicator. It's just a tube of powder, like a little bottle of powder. Shoot it up the air. It does give you a really sort of like nuanced understanding of the whim when it hangs, like it'll go up and you'll see that there's like some downward you know what I mean. It gives you like a great visual. But I only use that after I sort of go I like, do a quick look around. I'm like, there's no like readily, you know, and then I'll that thing or I'll pull a little down feather out of my jacket and just we pull at all of those drop. Yeah, I would say, actually with the gear question, this is this brings up a good point this most recent discussion. It should have multiple purposes whatever it is under the bucks, like the lighter being a syndicator and a light and then you know, yeah, I'll not gonna look at my kit and be like, you know what this It seems like this thing you have to have in there, but twenty years down the road you've never used it. It hasn't come up yet. Like for I used to carry a striker, so I would carry a I have a little teeny dinky thing of waterproof matches's just a couple, and I have my lighter, and I used to have a striker. Never used a striker, just like it used the waterproof matches, probably, But that just gives me that that makes me feel like or now I put a little what's that like saying it's a comfortable. But they also make those little ship and lighters too, so I might start throwing one of those little ship and lighters a little. It's just a striker, just like like a like a like a cigarette lighter and a teeny teeny. But see here's the thing. The t s a guys will steal your lighters and leave a note. Now you just keep him on you. I know that thing, you got that, but you gotta remember. So now like lithium batteries like in my kit, I also keep like enough like replacing battery for stuff. So if I'm running like my uh my, my water pure fire starry pen, they're gonna have in my kit an extra lithium battery for that thing. But now you can't have lithium batteries. So now there's all this garbage you gotta move from your you gotta like and I can't just check my kit because there's stuff. There's stuff in there that you can't carry on, but then there's stuff in there that you can't check. It's really like, I have some gripes. You think I'm fired up a by how I hate hunters orange laws. I got some real gripes of t s A, I believe it, and then messing with my stuff. All right, good, thanks for listening. How many questions is that? Ny? I don't know ten probably answered other questions in the perfect So if you want to find out, Rummy wears the best place for people to go see what you all got going on, and they want to book a hunt, come hunting elk with you whatever. I'm all booked up. But Instagram, yeah, Remy Warren, Yeah yeah, I just I just I just I just hit I was just hitting Rammy up on Instagram or because we've been hanging out for the last couple of days. Um, that's a good place to check out see what you've got going up. And there's the you know, in the in the bio, there's always a link to whatever website or whatever. So all right, man, check him out. Remmy Warren, his great great grandfather was a you translator. I'll tell you that no one asked about that. UM all right, good night,

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