00:00:10 Speaker 1: This is me eater podcast coming at you shirtless, severely bug bitten in my case, underwear lessening podcast. You can't predict anything. This is gonna be an extremely fast short not fast because it will pass. The time will pass in the same way it always does, but this duration will be shorter. This is a short podcast episode digital radio program. Um. First thing is is a quick bit of business. Johnnie, you were there. I want to follow because we had a recent episode where we were talking about at length about lead shot non toxic shot, and the ban on using lead for waterfowl hunting all those years ago, right? And what precipitated that conversation? Am I using that right? Right? I don't. I don't know. What initiated that conversation was? Uh that I had ran into a feller down in Kansas who explained to me that he was an engineer, spent his whole life in munitions, and was telling me that lead contamination in ducks is a crock of ship. Wasn't buying it, wasn't at all buying it. And uh, as as a way of getting into this subject, he said to me, how many times have you opened up a duck's gizzard and found a piece of shot. The thinking being that ducks, uh, you know, ducks need scratch or grit, right, because they have a gizzard. Everything has a gizzard eats little bits of rock and and they and it pulverizes their food inside their gizzard, and the the rock eventually crumbles away a road's way and their gives and they just pass it like whatever. When you see birds picking on the side of the road, they're picking up scratch or grit. He was saying, how many times we actually opened a duck skizzar and found a piece of shot. I was like, that's a hell of a good point. Now, what happened to me the other day? Honest, you open a gizzard we found a piece of shot? Yeah, And I said, and I put this thing up on social media, which I cannot stand. For the most part, I like it, but like the audio, you know what I mean? You put something up in nine dudes like huh, right, and they just go on with whatever they got going on that day. Yeah, they go that that's interesting. I learned something. And there's some dude it just like all of a sudden has ex to grind and he's like, oh yeah, them lefties, I'm like, no, hold it. All I'm saying is I found a piece of lead shot and it gives it. It It was offensive to him that I would have told the truth of what I saw. Do we check to see, let was it lead versus it was? Yeah, it was malleable. So I don't know what to tell you. I mean, and someone brought up to make They said, make sure that you didn't it wasn't shot in there, as in, like, yeah, look, you know why I saw the gizzard. It was perfectly fine. You know, we would have seen a whole of it had been shot. Plus. I mean, imagine that it gets shot in such a way that the lead passes through the thick muscular wall of the gizzard, the gizzard lining, and then somehow stops in the actual pocket along with a bunch of gravel. I tell you why more people aren't finding shot inside their gizs. They don't need their gizzards. That's right, one a million shot. It's a good point. That was Mark Boardman. Ladies and gentlemen, Mark, want to introduce yourself. I'm Mark Boardman with vortex optics, and I wanna compliment Steve when has one a million shot doc on getting that pellet inside the gizzard and then um too, as though dealing cards. Then there's a dirt myth howny folks who got terribly lost in the coastal rainforests Cording, or so we thought. Turned out he was not lost and was just documenting with his camera. Um, the the taking and dismembering of a sick of black tailed buck by one Mark. What's your middle name? Robert? One Mark? Are both? Uh? Mark our boardman? Correct eagle eye in the fog, spotted a deer in the intense fog. There's a little super out there, very soupy, classic black tail habitat what foggy bushy, sneaky little box they are sneaky. Five days Mark spent five days looking for buck right six six virtu the all day, virtually all day every day. Uh. Then the lavine eagle. Now Rick, hey there, I tried to I put out a call for ladies, um for Rick, and he picked up a couple of Instagram followers, he was saying after that, which was good, but then he said most of them having to be guys. So again it's a call for ladies for Rick. You're still available, Rick, Yeah, And going on, I mean a little little movement. Another single guy, not uh on from Rick not not terribly fired up about finding a lady? Is cal Bryan Callen right other priorities? Yeah, here's right. If you're a lady listening and you want to move into a recently remodeled condo in the posh Ski town, catch him Idaho and be Cal's lady. You need to understand that cal uh will not refuses to do what he calls checking in. He does not like. He does not like checking in. He will let you know when there's something you need to know. Until then you may not hear from him. If that is suitable to you, Ryan call am catching anything else you want to say about your what you're looking for in particular with a lady, you know you're not really I don't think there's any coming back from that intro. So we'll just he doesn't like to check in. He doesn't like to. He just kind of wants to go about his business and sort of mosey around the country at will. Yeah, especially and not have to hear about it. Yeah. Now this isn't saying that, you know, if this gal wants to do that with me, that's great. But if she does not. We can just just abolish ahead of time where I will be and that'll that'll be that it's for her benefit. You don't wanna warrior expecting a check in. She just knows you're good. Yeah, unless you check in? Yeah, how does your lady deal with that? Steve checking in? You? You are you a do you check in more? You know? I travel so much and it's been for so long, and that was kind of the circumstances under which we met. So we have certain cobing mass mechanisms that we do. I do not do a rigorous check in. UM. My wife seldom takes my calls when I'm on the road. I know that if the problem arises, I'll get worried about it. We do a lot of very short text messages when we get the chance. But if I go, um, four or five days, it would be it would be smart to me to check in. And I know that she probably won't accept the call because she's probably a little bit annoyed at me. UM, but I'll know that it's cool. And one of the things she says is she says to me, because I used to come home right and I wanted everybody that would be a party and balloons and you know, and my wife says, if it's not a big deal when you go away, and I don't like it to be a big deal when I go away, all right, I just like get up out the door. You know, she says, if it's not a big deal and you go away, it cannot be a big deal when you come home, meaning when you walk in the door your asses on, yep, kiddos. Yeah, it's like it doesn't matter what happened. When the baby gives his morning like hello from his little crib. There you're running down the hall and it's you know, it's not like all I'm just sleeping. And my wife said, if you want to rest, you need to just tell me you're not home and go to a hotel, because because when you walk in the door, man, it's like you're making up for lost time. Mark. What's your impression of c cucumber now that you're a c Q, now that you're a c cucumber man, Yeah, I'm an old cumber. Cucumber vet um. They are one of the most wild looking creatures I've ever laid it on. How would you describe it? Could you describe without referring to a male member a disease male member, Absolutely not. That's really difficult. Yeah, I guess if you severed off a chunk of someone's forearm and it was diseased. Those spiny things are so unique. Don't look like I don't know what kind of diseases you're used to looking at, but boy, I mean cartoonish diseases. Yeah. What it looks like is it looks like like, um, you know, like if you were watching a movie, like an animated movie, and they go and discovered life on another planet. You know, because underwater, you know, it's it's drab. You know, it's like a coral reef. Up here it's a lot of rock. You know, you're going to water, there's like a lot of drab colorations. Right. But then here's he's red, I mean a sea cucumber, a Doozy's a whopper coming out of the water is what twelve thirteen inches long? Maybe the bigger net I'd say our average is right around the foot long mark, but probably eight to fourteen inches. Once they get alarmed, they puff up about big around as your wrist, forearm or so. They have many many spikes on them. They're red, orange is red. Uh. I feel like if you didn't grow up in the Northwest, n I don't know the coast C cucumber is like, doesn't I don't know somebody from the Midwest, ever, sena ce cucumber, Like I don't even I don't remember because I'm from the Midwest. I don't remember how I like how I conceptualize CE cucumbers. I mean, if I would have encountered them in a like when we take our kids to the aquarium. Um, they have a petting part, right, there's like a petting zoo at the aquarium basically, and C c cumbers are one of the things kids are allowed to after they washed their hands. They're allowed to reach in and kind of like monkey with the C cucumbers, which when I took my boy out, calam was here the second time I took my boy out, harvest and C cucumbers and like you could put a harpoon into a whale and it's not going to bother that kid. But he does not like you messing with C cucumbers. We couldn't really figure out. My theory is the it was more a dad's going underneath the water, so I think so, But he couldn't figure out how to articulate that, like the whole process of yes, yeah, it was a lot of you know, dad disappears, he's stuck on a boat with the dude with mustach And it was that day too. It was wav It was how would you call? What were you got? What was the topic of discussion? Man, we were Jimmy was fishing out of the gate, which everything was cool, but then we lost the lure and the seas were too big, Like it was one of those days that he had to keep keep the bow pointing. Waves are coming over the ast end of the boat, you know, and he's like, we'll tie on another lure, like yeah, trying to get and every time I'd get up, you know, the boat had drift and it was and he's like I'm scared, Like nope, nothing to be scared about. Okay, then tie on a lure and then it was snacks. You know. So it was very it was very simple kids stuff that I was like, yeah, but we we hauled up. Yeah, so seers when you open a ce C cumber up mertal things water weenies, Yeah, yeah, it's like a water weenie with with with wordy thorns on it. You open them up and you like stick a it's a tube, right, and you put your like a flame knife blade in and open the roll the tube out like if you had a sock land there and you put a blade of the sock into the hole that your foot goes into and then poked it out the toe part and just open that sock up like that. I want to say, you're slicing it laterally maybe then it rolls out flat. Then it's like like you know what, imagine that you cut a tube of You take a toilet paper tube, right, and put your knife in one end and open that toilet paper tube up and you lay it out flat. But instead of rolling it out flat into seeing the inside of the toilet paper tube, what you see is five strands of muscle that are about like carpenter's pencils. Yeah. Yeah, he's got like an intestine in there which just falls away. It's not connecting anything. In fact, when a cecucumber panics, he can extrude his gut, he can shoot all that out. Um. We had a problem the first time when we took my boy out harvest and see cy combers. He uh, we were putting him in a perforated bucket, and a lot of the then the CC combers extrude their guts so live it was coming through the perforated bucket holes, and I think that he found that a little bit alarming. Um. You open it up and there's five strands of muscles that seem about like carpenter's pencils, and you take a putty knife and you take the pretty knife and just scrape away the five muscles and they're joined together. And at that point you have a hunk of meat that's about like if you your three middle fingers right. It kind of puckers up, shrinks down, and you have about three million your three middle fingers worth of meat. Cut those suns bitches into five strips, and it tastes like to me, I think it's it's definitely like more. It's not as rigid or rubbery as clams. Has a clam taste. I think it's somewhere between clam and scallop. I don't really I'm not falling in on I don't yeah feeling calamar, but I think it Calamari is like sort of in line with Qui carvers. Calamari is kind of like a blank slate, you know, like it's kind of you gotta like bring something to it. Almost, Yeah, I agree, you know, I mean those ones that we had fried without any batter on baldies okay, uh, they had a flavor more than most calamari. Yeah, like a kind of a sweet taste them. They're so good man, you know, like animals like adapt you know, like black tails, right, they have Obviously there's just some selective advantage in blending in right, Like they have a color palette that like is is perfect for their environment. Um, I think that that someone who who studies such things should look into who grotesquery as a selective advantage? Look, so they don't look appeling. It's just it's like you look at it and there's something deep in you and maybe other creatures feel the same way you look at You're like, yeah, like nothing good could possibly come of molest in this thing, messing with it. Who was the first dude to be like, yeah, try this out? How to feel it? And because it's not it's not straightforward like you explained on the heart, like the processing and once you see those muscles and you're like, oh yeah, this is an edible part. But the rest of it looks like the muscles. You just looked at a bowl. The muscles, you think that someone had been shocking clams. Yeah, but see the deal appearance. Where we are now where I live full time, I live full time in in Seattle. And where we are in Seattle, you can they do red tide. They test for red tider. You know which is paralytic red title give you paralytic shellfish poisoning. And it's a um dinal flagelight, right, It's a dinal flage light that you can that that concentrates in the digestive track and and and in the muscle of certain bivalve species. And when you eat those, you get all sick and die or get real sick. Every years someone gets every years, someone somewhere on the Pacific coast is dying of parallel shelfish poisoning. Now down there you have enough population where they test all the beaches all time. So when razor clams are open or Manila claims, whatever you're going after, you can look up on a on a go to a website and see if there's paralytic shellfish poisoning present at the time. And they're constantly monitoring it because it can't kill you. The first thing that happens is your lips get numb. Uh here, you know, because there's no there's no population centers here, and monitoring would be impossible because it's just like everything is. There's many many shellfish beaches everywhere. They don't test for paralleot shellfish poisoning, so you're kind of on your own now. While the Native Alaskan's obviously an enormous quantities of shelf I don't know how they dealt with that risk. Um. There are middens here in this cove, shellfish middens that are you know, ten twelve ft high that when you dig into is just shellfish shells from the consultant, you know, people eating. I don't know if they don't know what they did, if it was just a calculated risk, or had a taster, like a young gentleman that was chosen to be the tasters. See how he did. You talked to old timers here and they'll talk about rubbing it on their lips and then waiting a while to see if it gets tingly. What we've done, Um, what we've done is just eat one. Everyone needs one, and then twenty four hours later we'll eat more, which is risky because they used to say don't eat shellfish and any month that does not have and are in it because pair of shellfish poisoning is more prevalent in your summer months. So May, June, July, August, steer clear of shellfish. But I remember a couple of years ago I was reading the catch can newspaper. Guy uh died of paralytic shellfish poisoning in April, and that damn sure has are in it? Is that bringing all this up, it's because you don't gotta worry about with ce cucumbers. So even here you can sink a canoe with Were you there with Ny then one time we were getting butters? Oh yeah, you can. Honestly, I mean, back me up. You could sink your canoe with clams. You find the right bed, and you could with spade just shove them. Now you're just shoveling clams into the thing. I mean, you could sink a boat with him. But it's so risky. It's like such a and it used to pain me that you'd come up here and then here's this incredible resource that you're like scared shitless to um utilize. But with c cucumbers. Once you put a wet suit on, the water is cold, you gotta have a five meal websuit. Once you put a wet suit on, you can put up more pounds of cucumbers. And you can't claims any day as far as this actual usable meat. But to me, you can see the connection of somebody sees water shooting out of the beach, digs up a clam, opens the shell up, and sees like a big nugget of meat right there. I cannot imagine how it came about that somebody grabs this c cucumber. And you have got the folks listening. You have got to do a search on this, whatever your preferred means is, because you gotta you gotta see the picture here to understand that. A good idea to go look up if you're listening, go look up what a c cucumber looks like. If you're not familiar and you're not going to make the connection between that and food, I mean, I sure don't whoever that guy was. I'm pretty sure you're a woman in a tough spot. It could have been a condo of sewer man. I don't know the next thing that we gotta eat. And I saw a lot down there while we were swimming around as urchins. See that that's because I have, you know, in sushi places. I have, But I thought you were looking for row and that wasn't familiar with what I was looking. I don't know. You're just eating the going at them almost positive that it's just going. Yeah, because there's no the same as c cucumbers, there's no close season for recreational divers like like here, you're allowed five scaluts, five rocks, scallops. You're a lot more weather vanes, but just five scalops. And I don't know. No bag limit on urchins, and no bag limits on scu combers because they're not utilized. Yeah, I don't know if it's the right species that that is just preferred, but no, I'm gonna find out. I'm gonna find out. And then you just pop them off with a knife and you'd be how big were those chins? There's some there's some mons. I want look at it right out the window there, see that yellow hook or you can't see it. Well, there's a few. Um most of them were like sixt eight inches across to the top half of the baby's head. They're like big, you know, yeah, trying. But then there were some monsters like they looked like little cactuses, like smaller spines, much bigger. I don't know, Um, you can eat this outside of a sea cucumber though, right? Yeah, people do, like they dry it down and then reconstitute it. But it seems that's like in the Asian markets. Yeah, but I don't know. Yeah, I don't know enough about I don't know if it's kind of like shark fin where it's not so much that it's not like, oh that the shark fin is good, but you're sort of chasing after some kind of some kind of quality, what we would call some kind of mystic quality. It is like a leather yeah, heavy, heavy rind, but I mean closer out of it. Yeah, you dirt myth. Did your dad make a wall out of a beaver tail? Yeah? I was. I still have that beaver tail from my omen. I'm gonna do. I'm gonna following it like a whole big purse. Have I told you? Did I ever tell you guys a story about the guy all that had to eel skin wallet? Yeah? I told that. That's old on this year. No, you need. That's how I feel about the beaver tail. This guy had a went to Hawaii and got an eel skin wallet, and that eelskin wallet served him well for seven years. Went back to Hawaii, calculated out how many more seven year blocks he was likely to be alive, and purchased that many wallets. He was so committed to that style of wallet, which I'm about to do with the magpole wallet. You guys seen this thing, you know I kept when the c cucumber skins to do that around? Did you keep it? I kept it like that. I neglected it, and then I was looking for the little small p Yeah, a photo of that. What do you think about over there? Johnnie got smirk rocket bad bad laban smirk? Is it about the cues? No, not at all. Sea urchin though, is another thing. Then when you first look at it would be hard to picture of how someone could say, oh, let's cut that thing open. Yeah, especially if you ever stepped on one or said on one or anything. I remember my my my late friend Eric Current, whose pictures hanging on the wall above sto over there. We were down in Mexico and he hooked a shark on his fly rod and the shark snapped him off, and he had kind of he was kind of like perched precariously on a rock out in the water, and when the shark snapped the line threw him off balance and he fell and went to catch himself and impaled. It bothered him. It bothered him. His hand ached for a year, went right onto that urchin, and he tried. You know, he's supposed to like piss on and everything, but his hand, the nerves and his hand weren't right for a year. And I think you could just see him. You could look into his hand and see the black see the black spikes in his hand, and they eventually just dissolved inside his hand, hurting. Um. The cucumbers they live, uh, from what's called the intertide zone. So a low low tide to expose the cucumbers down to eight ft well apens. When they're exposed to they don't see. They always stay in the water. I've never seen them like out out, but they'll be like where you could grab him a pair of extra tops and walk out and pick them up. But uh, but so we dive in my free diving and you don't need to. I never dive any deep. How deep was the deepest we went? Eight nine ft? I can't I can't go very far. So you gotta clear. You gotta clear one time we're at a depth, you need to clear once on your way down. I was pretty impressed you got that first haul. You, I mean you were down for hit the mother patch what I thought a bit and you came up with a sack fall. Yeah. I'm good for one good breath hold and then it just then it gets worse and worse and worse. A lot of guys are really good at controlling they're breathing, but um did they have a whole little there's the thing you're supposed to do at the surface, you know, like, uh, prevent if you're good at Yeah, you get a risk watch out and you do a paste breathing, and there's this whole thing. I just kind of go like and I feel like I'm good and that dive. But there's a science to it that, you know, Like if I'm with people that don't dive, they always be like, man, you can hold your breath a long time. But I'm telling you, for people to do it, it's a fract It's I'm down for what people go down for Oh, I mean, I know some folks. You go down, they go down to like sixty free diving, free diving, cruise around. They're down there, I mean, holding their breath for four minutes. Yeah, it was down for like thirty seconds, being like okay, I gotta goes it take to get down to sixty meters. They go down really fast with big long fins and they just control their body and just drop. That's insane. Yeah, you like those divers in the Bahamas and stuff that, uh don't use weight belts, but they used to just have a boat full of rocks, big boulders and when you go in, you just grab one of the boulders out of the boat and bombs away, holding that boulder in your arms. Hit the bottom, drop the boulder. Dude. Ever, you gotta do it and go back up to get down and hurry. You gotta be able to clear fast because you're thinking. But the point being if you're free diving, like the cucumbers have such a range if you're free dive. But I don't think you can really overexploit the resource recreationally. There is a commercial harvest up here in the winter for c cucumbers which is what initially got me intrigued on it. What's the ratio you think rough? Guess volume out of the water too percent body weight low? Yeah, they look big before he started. Well, they swell up and they retain. Yeah, it's like that's the thing if you it's actually probably pretty high. If they weren't full of the water. It's once you caught them into water drains out. Yeah, I don't know. And that skin is stout because yeah, like you said, dirt paths wanted to make wallet out of it. Yeah, next time, moving on to blacktail box Mark, what do you think about all that? They're cool? Deer man? So you grew up on blacktails? That was you're like, it was that the first dear you ever killed? Yeah? Absolutely. You're born in Washington State, born in Washington on the west side of the state, So yeah, I grew up hunting blacktails with my my dad, grandfin brother. We'd hunt the west side of the state and in those days, logging was up and running. You guys were hunting clear cuts, right, Yeah, we'd hunt a lot of gated logging road systems, so we'd like, how does that work? Like timber companies on it yep, yep, So different timber companies. And in most of the areas we'd like to hunt, we're gated, so it kind of keep closed the vehicles. Yeah, yeah, so we'd take our mountain bikes in and so you can farther in than the dude walking. You could get further, faster, quieter we rode up on deer before, Like I think they don't recognize that quiet, little hiss of attire versus you know, like walking, you know, and generally pretty gravelly road a little bit noisy, you know. And yeah, so we'd watch a lot of clear cuts in the mornings and in the evenings, um find little cat roads, little older bottoms, little sneak spots to still hunt through. So doing the mid day does wait, you could maybe try and push somewhere, you know, find a little thicket where you think there might be a buck betted up and put some people on the other side. You know. But and and it all worked, you know, I mean I'm not I shot, you know, not a ton of them, but I'm not sure I shot too many of them the same way twice. Yeah, So if you're doing it when you're hunting, like the cuts, like that could you expect to see you deer every day. No, So it wasn't like now now when you're hunting white tails in Wisconsin, were like, you're probably gonna see a deer. Yeah, yeah, I mean if you saw if you saw a deer in a day, even if it was a dough like cool, good day, you know. And a lot of the cuts that we liked though, weren't like super fresh. You know, you wanted one that was fairly growing up, you know, maybe three, three to six, maybe eight years old, where you've got kind of those, Um, it's just those smaller, you know, immature fur trees and just more brows has come at that point. I think the deer feel more secure hiding, but they can still hide, but there's lots of good feed because the sunlight is getting in there. I can't imagine it takes eight years of growth for these things to hide. I mean, oh my god, they're small. I think that would and I think that would be on the top end when when you'd be probably kind of getting done. You know, once those trees get ten years old, they're pretty big big. Like the guy the clear cuts here are all growing up now, you know, they're in the starting out making a new one not far from here. But the clear cuts here everybody talks about. I feel like they're saying that it was they get good at seven or eight years good hunting. Yeah, Like it takes a while, right, it takes a while, and then they're good for almost a decade and then or two then they're overgrown. I mean it's probably, but here's the thing, it's probably, like, you know, it's probably regionally variable because here it's like, you know, held a lot more rain but much colder, So it could just be a different situation. Do they replant the clear cuts up here? I don't believe, So I could be wrong on all this, And you know, I always want to back up and saying that I'm taking what a lot of I'm taking things that a bunch of different guys that I know up here have told me they probably are. There's some contradiction within there, but there's sort of like a window, right, like they take a while to get good, and they're good, and they cease to be good, not that they cease to be good habitat it's just they cease to be good hunting because they get once it's six ft high, you know, you just can't see. You can't see, you can't see through it, and it's tough to walk through it. Oh the boats here, yeah, can you guys do the load then we'll thanks. I got a question real quick. Are the black tail in Washington? And do they blend in as well as he's Like you said, the only thing you see out here is like a flash of white's a little bit of patch do they have on there? I mean i'd say yeah. I mean they're very some as far as the way they look. You know, these deer, these Sitka black tails are you know, smaller statured, you know than the than the Columbia blacktails, which probably makes them even harder to find because they're smaller, you know, they get buried in the brush even easier. Um, but I mean pretty a lot of similarities, but definitely some some differences as far as just just the way the country is out here a little bit like you don't at least where we're at. I mean, you don't have those you know, logging roads where you can kind of snake your way through and get on top and you know, really cover some ground quick, you know, like we'd pick more. What we were doing here was like more of like an all day hunt. You know where they're wo'd be like, Okay, I'm gonna ride here. I'm to watch this clear cut for this long. Then I'm gonna go over here and I'll go sneak this little You're kind of doing kind of different hunts throughout the day, not just going to work in some area with a lot of bush whacking and moving in towards little spots. Here's a little factoid. We went Me and Mark, Mark and I Me and Mark. That's how I want to say it. That's not what it is. You wouldn't say me went to a No, I think it's me. You're wrong, Mark and I all right. I went to a Mark and I went to a There there's a great like No, this is like, this is not a no. You can mess up the order. You can mess up the order. I'm terrible grammar, so no, I rely on you for grammar questions. I have no idea. I just listened to a few podcasts I like, and I don't remember him, but I like listening to him about about grammar and and words. Okay, but then you can hand or ignore. This is a diversion. We went to Rival High schools we did. Yeah, it's been what you've been leading up to talk about. Yeah, that's what in in Washington, the Mark and I was to set up you guys went to rival high schools. That was your anecdote anything else? Do you know that Rick was the high school mascot Wolverines? I did. I wore. I wore that outfit you dressed up as a It was a Yeah, it was a wolverine. It was full, full, amazing outfit with a big head, super hot, you'd always get out of it, super sweaty. But nobody knew. Nobody knew that it was me. What what are your buddy's? She was like, you ever notice you're never like with Rick when that wolverine is out there, That's exactly right, Like Rick's like, I gotta go to hot Dog. And then all of a sudden was a wolverine dancing around. There was wolverine runs back inside, and all of a sudden Ricks like back of the hot dog. Sweaty though. Yeah, so at football games against Newport, I was probably wearing a freaking wolverine no fit. So you've seen him before. I probably had well I didn't know, you know, because he had he was scared. Yeah, I was. I was running what was Newport? What was your guy's mascot? We were the Knights, all right, are the Rockets. But because Rick and I went to rival high schools, it's been really difficult for me to get along with them all week. I kind of I carry that with me to the old defeats and victory. I still wearing my letterman's jacket. Yeah, I mean this, this is really fascinating. Oh yeahest what do you think about odor? He used to always be the life of the party because I can juggle. You know, Rick over here, he's quite the performer. I can only do three items. Rick over here can juggle flaming sticks five at a time. In Knives, I wrote the cycle with the wolverine outfit on releast to back to Ladies. I think about that. Doesn't lay out of evening. Let me lay out of the evening with Rick. Maybe listen to a podcast about uh linguistics. Just perfect, nuggle up, Let's do a little linguistics. Learn a couple of things that Rick will probably forget. Cook up some cucumbers and he's bringing home uh Ricks, then gonna he might put a costume on that he might put a suit and and then uh, who knows what's next? Cook you up some I picked up no tid bit about Rick's personal if it out there all of a sudden, beautiful, we're gonna make it. Is intrigued by the idea of co home ownership. Understand what that means fine in my mind, and never imagine buying a home as a single dude. But I mean I have a hard time picture that as well. Even I know a lot of guys that have done it that was just not that's just not on the radar, but it probably will become more on the radar. It's like a woman and pitch in for a house. I mean, that's like kind of what like married people do. Yeah, it's like a yeah, the right woman obviously. Yeah, but you bought cars, you bought a camera, that's true, that's true. You didn't wait for the right one to come along. The domestic space is like this. Certainly it's a financial thing, but it needs a dog. I've gone too much. Cat. I think with all this this costume, you'll be buying that house with somebody sooner than you think. That's I think there's maybe some crossover between the mediator listeners and the costplay folks. What do you think go over in still like costume people. Oh yeah, it could be. But the problem is the reason we can't send women to Rick and Cal is because I don't think a lot of there's a lot of women listening. Yeah, I think there's a lot of Pete women who are already involved with the fella, and that's why they're listening because he's playing it. Well, we need some listener responses. Well, I mean that's exactly why we can talk. It's like a guy's club on here. You can talk about whatever he wants. I don't come on this pod. Get out, Steve, I know you do me really no, no, no, it's not your motivation. Your motivations like to wrestle with ideas. That's right, to live a life in the mind. But I got how much fun it would be a couple of years down the line, we could do a podcast and we'd be like, yeah, we're just sitting there and then she called that I did it. I put those out there, and then we're like recording over at Rick and his new wife's house. You know, talk about full circle now, Rick, uh Now the media to the TV shows up on Netflix. Lisa's like thirty two or thirty six episodes on Netflix, just waiting to be consumed. Did you shoot me those? No, so we can't send any ladies to watch out your work. No, but but Mexico, Cus, dear, you shot that that. If it's not up, all radio should be up anytime. I thought that was season seven seven. I think it's five and six or up on Netflix. There's a six and seven. But I just say that I'm part of the brand, part of the Mediator brand like that. But I'm just trying to think of ways that ladies can go see your handiwork. It's very abstract because it's like you're just watching something you filmed and they don't know what you know. Know, the TV shows like two camera guys, sometimes three camera guys, they can they can see me in my full reality television Amazing Nous on NBC's The Island, Were you naked on that a lot? No? I got I think the only time I'm on camera with my shirt off, I got bit by an I'm having a little bit of allergic reaction, is there right? What kind of ants fire ants? Yeah? It hurts. Yeah, I'm allergic to yeah, I don't like them. No, I mean I don't mind him, but they don't do They don't too many? Uh good When it comes to was this your first blacktail hunt? Uh? No, really second? Yeah, because he's up the high country with us his fall. Yeah, totally different. Well, we went up there just to check it out. So do you like, uh, what do you like better? Haven't had them both very recently. Do you like blacktailed liver cooked in the butter with caramelized onions or slow cooked grilled ribs better? I think the ribs were better. I would say the ribs in terms of typical meat consumption, tasted like something I would eat at a restaurant. It just tasted like great meat. The tender Yeah, the ribs, and then the liver is like, oh that's really interesting taste scene. It's really good. But it's like, I don't know the difference. But in terms of not more day meal, yeah, not every peculiar, yeah, more nuanced, which Jannice is very hit hit and mass with the liver I've I've found. Did you enjoy the black tail liver? He won't know he was. He was like, because I always say that I used to like what I liked about your honest I liked him was we had a we had shared experiences basically for years. Anything I had gone and hunted, roughly four years exactly. Anything I had gone hunted, you were there, So there was never like a gap. Right now, I'm always like, hey, you know how we were just and He's like, I wasn't there, And it's caused like a real disconnect between me and Yanni strain the relationship. Like I'm like, hey, you know how we're just eating that. He's like, no, I wasn't there his knee surgery. I know you do it a lot too, and it really but I gotta say that it was really hard on me emotionally to not have to for there to be a gap in our knowledge. It's hard on emotional now, it's hard on you physically because that niece got me moving so that now the halls ask that dude knees got speaking of those ribs, so you know, they're so good. And I gotta say I was telling cal after we ate them. I think I was telling you like I'm almost yeah. We were talking about it about how like the ten years ago i'd have like the backstrap and the like the like the bitch and roast out of the rear. Ham used to all go first, and I would hoard those chunks. And now it's like that you contradicted yourself there. I'm sorry they didn't. You said you'd hoard them, but they'd go first. Well, i'd hold him for myself, like I wouldn't be whatnot? And now it's like just because I've learned how to prepare the chunks of meat to have the collagen right in him and all that stuff that Like, because a great line last night, do you remember it? If it doesn't have a tendon in it? I almost don't want to eat, which I think is No, that was you man, I said that. Yeah, nice good work. But yeah it's uh. It just makes wild game so pleasurable and silky and never dry dry you know, next shanks front shoulders, ribs, ribs don't. I don't know what you're missing. We uh he the boat. He just ducked around the corner, so he's gonna be coming back. We better get broken down. Maybe we'll tie this in with another shorty. No, I don't know, Maybe it doesn't matter. Does they need retribution? Like when are we gonna play on the black tailt I'm so hardheaded, I I want to do another October hunt, like I need out. Maybe will can hunt one day. What happened to the hunt ultimately turned out good, ultimately trying good. But what happened was uh you know here about uh you know you different people have their different theories about what peak, like when the rut, when the breeding season kicks in full balls, and when when the breeding season kicks in full balls, the bucks are up and about more. They they're a little bit they operate with a little bit more a bandon, you know, the less cautious. They're more likely to come into calls like noises you use that mimic the sound of fawns um and distress, and the bucks are just like amped up looking for other deer and just you know, going crazy. Now everybody says like, oh, the first week of November, and other people say, uh, well, no, that's total bullshit because it's first half of the second week of November. Um. But what everyone agrees on is October sucks. And after two October blacktail hunts, I might I'm beyond I'm done thinking it was just a fluke. I think it hunting blacktails in October is very difficult. They're not up in the High count like man like man days. Uh, user days like they do for the National Force for an outfit, or we probably put in we don't have two groups put we put in thirteen user days this week. Yeah, and then last time we're in the high country. You know, we argued about this the r night, that situation. There's that hunt right, Yeah, no, no, we still saw some deer, but it still wasn't a good hunt. It's like we're we're struggling, you know, especially for the amount of sign we were seeing here. We're here yesterday kind of a thing. Yeah, hunting in August. Yeah, it's just like you kind of wish there weren't so many of the mountain about because it feels like, no, I want to stay easy, but it feels like, yeah, borderline easy August. I gotta say some in the right area. Just as a camera just as a camera operator watching the hunt, I feel like I'm with cal like this hunt was awesome because of how difficult and rare was to even get a glimpse of a tracker. I mean, it wasn't it wasn't the best time to get it quick kill or Phil Freezer. But but I've never been so excited to see poop. Yeah, exactly, Like, oh my god, yeah, there is fresh scat in this trail. Yeah that I mean that, no scene rubs and we're like, oh, that's a fresh rub. They're actually here. Yeah. Yeah. The you just talked about seeing fresh deer droppings reminded me of Dirt Myths story about his buddy that um that got uh was using the restroom and then throughout the day I couldn't tell why he was smelling um awful smell, and I realized that he had somehow landed some on his the shoulder portion of his suspenders. Whenever hang love that every time he looks to the left, he's like, what is that smell on that? Note, we gotta get on a plane until next until next time. Tune in next time.