00:00:03 Speaker 1: Smell off now, lady, Welcome. 00:00:06 Speaker 2: To Meet Trivia. 00:00:09 Speaker 3: Podcast. 00:00:26 Speaker 2: Oh there you are. Welcome to Meet Eater Radio Live. It's eleven am on Thursday, which means we're here at h Q and Boseman to chit chat with you guys. I'm your host, Brody. I'm joined today by Seth and Corey and Steve. Steve ditched Randall. So Randall's here too. You can't see him though he's sitting here. Hey, everybody, we got a couple of great guests joining us today. We who are going to be talking to us about the Boundary Waters and then we're going to talk about state wildlife come missions. There's some interesting stuff going on in New Mexico regarding state wildlife commissions. And we're also going to be addressing Randall's loud bag of sun chips and some interesting email correspondence from the Meat Eater inbox. And we'll also do a Crewe Hot Tip hop and the live you guys, the live audience, you're going to decide the winner and what we'll announce that at the end of the show. What flavored you got there. 00:01:27 Speaker 1: Randall. 00:01:29 Speaker 4: Garden Salsa my favorite? 00:01:31 Speaker 2: Nice here? 00:01:33 Speaker 5: Do you have enough for the rest of the class. 00:01:35 Speaker 4: Nope, Okay, moving on, I'm not even supposed to be here. 00:01:38 Speaker 2: Moving on. Before we dive into the show, I want to make an announcement in case you guys haven't heard. Some of you have, probably have, some of you probably haven't. Might be a little painful for for our most diehard listeners like mogor, so hold on your breches in casey you haven't heard, We're gonna be saying goodbye to Media or Radio Live in early March. So been a great run and we've had so much fun doing the live show for you guys, so we're sad to see it go. Randall in particular has been in a dark, deep depression the last couple of weeks. Uh Is that you got anything to add there? 00:02:20 Speaker 6: Yeah, but we've learned so much along the way and really made all kinds of new friends, including we've learned things about one another that I don't think would have come to light. 00:02:31 Speaker 1: That's true. 00:02:33 Speaker 2: Anyway, There's there's some good news here too. Radio Live is going to replace be replaced by a second weekly episode of Media the Mediater podcast, and you're still going to be seeing the crew from Radio to Media to Radio Live along with Steve and the additional drop of the Mediater podcast is going to focus on news and current events, but we're going to bring some of the fun and energy from Radio Live along with us. But for now, we've got another month or so, five weeks maybe of Radio Live left before we sign off, and we're definitely gonna be doing something very special for for our last episode of Radio Live, Phil, Phil and Randall are already plotting. So if you have, if you have any like suggestions or like wants that you would see in our last show, send them. 00:03:28 Speaker 1: In to us. 00:03:28 Speaker 2: We'll see if we can do anything. 00:03:30 Speaker 6: Yeah, Phil, do we have Is it radio at the meeteater dot com? 00:03:34 Speaker 1: I believe it is. 00:03:36 Speaker 2: If you have any. 00:03:37 Speaker 6: Ideas for the Meat Eater Radio Live Grand Finale Spectacular Live on. 00:03:44 Speaker 1: March fifth, phill be our last show and we're playing. It's gonna be a blast, So please's gonna be wild. Please tune in and I think you really really quick too. Just to add to some of the messaging around here about like why specifically we're doing this, I mean, the main reason is that Steve wants to do stuff like this more. He wants to be on on like he loves Radio Live, he loves coming on, and it's just he can't do it very often because it's it's tied to a specific time. But so now it's just being replaced. The new show is gonna have a lot of the same energy, sort of like the old cruise shows from from back in the old day. So I think you're gonna still enjoy it. But now if we're just more flexible, we can talk about topical stuff more quickly, which is what you want. 00:04:24 Speaker 6: Phil can go on vacations that include Thursdays. 00:04:26 Speaker 2: Man, I'm getting here a little bit. 00:04:30 Speaker 1: I just think some of the messaging hasn't been super clear, so I just thought would get you know, get in front of it. Pipe down. 00:04:35 Speaker 3: Boys. 00:04:35 Speaker 4: That's not on you, Brody, I know, I. 00:04:38 Speaker 1: Know, yeah, not from you. I mean the messaging that has been communicated so far before today. 00:04:44 Speaker 2: And I will add that there's a chance, I think if we get our way, it'll happen. There's a chance of every now and then we'll do like a pop up version of Radio ass So it may not be completely going away. See. 00:05:00 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're even thinking about some some like primetime shows like you know, seven o'clock on a Friday or Saturday night where you know we can kind of eventize a little bit. 00:05:09 Speaker 2: At like some kind of event or something we might try and do it. 00:05:12 Speaker 4: Do it rent tuxedos for those. 00:05:15 Speaker 2: Yeah. All right. So, uh, you guys got anything you want to chit chat about before we start talking. 00:05:24 Speaker 1: Well, I'd like to tell you a bunch of ice fishing stories. 00:05:26 Speaker 2: But I saw you were on the ice the other day. Did you get any of those five inch bluegills? 00:05:31 Speaker 1: No? 00:05:31 Speaker 7: Well, yeah, I got some blue gills on the three Forks ponds. But yeah, I was up at Cane Fairy and. 00:05:37 Speaker 2: Just caught. 00:05:41 Speaker 1: Yeah. It was not good. Four inches of ice, couldn't get out to the good stuff. 00:05:45 Speaker 5: Yeah, a little sketchy ice was bare minimum. 00:05:47 Speaker 7: Ice was chit chatty up there, yeah, making all kinds of noises. 00:05:50 Speaker 5: Yelling at you. Yeah, threatening, Yeah, a little scary. It's been so unseasonably warm. I went fly fishing the other day. Wow, yeah, never done it before. No typical January trout fishing. They're pretty in the rivers at least, not a lot of food, not a lot of activity. But if you put it in their face, they'll eat it. 00:06:09 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:06:09 Speaker 4: Yeah, we caught a few one time I went ice fishing. 00:06:13 Speaker 6: While fly fishing, I was up in Alaska, went out to the lodge on a snow machine, busted the ice open next to the bank, then drifted to fly through there, cut a nice trout. 00:06:23 Speaker 1: I'll show you a picture sometime really. 00:06:25 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, that's cool. Excellent job, right yeah. 00:06:32 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah. 00:06:34 Speaker 2: I don't. I don't. Got got a whole lot going on right now. My life's kind of in turmoil. 00:06:40 Speaker 7: Really, we're kind of just stuck in a weird time right now. Like for tex I know, well, the weather's not great for anything. 00:06:48 Speaker 2: It's like between seasons. It's like Turkey season's way off. But the one good thing about this weather is super nice weather is I was forced by my family to I was going to do a marathon, my first marathon in September. 00:07:03 Speaker 5: Oh yeah. 00:07:05 Speaker 2: And I was informed that that training program would be way too disruptive to our summer activities because like every week and I got to do some long ass run, you can't go anywhere, can't go fishing camp and all that stuff. So I bumped it up to June, to the Missoula Marathon late June. So it's like throwing my whole life off. 00:07:27 Speaker 5: Yeah, well you're able to train at the moment at least. Yeah, exactly. 00:07:31 Speaker 2: That's a good thing. 00:07:32 Speaker 1: How are you feeling about it? 00:07:34 Speaker 2: Good? Little nervous, but good, but a little nervous. 00:07:37 Speaker 1: You're feeling like you're getting prepared. 00:07:40 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I got five months, so it's a lot. Most marathon plants are either sixteen or twenty weeks, so I've got over twenty. I'm good. 00:07:48 Speaker 1: You got to be good. 00:07:49 Speaker 2: But now it's real, like September seems so far off, and June's like right there. Anyway, we got more important stuff to talk about, namely the Boundary Waters. Our first guest today is Lucas Leif and Lucas is that the lead chef for Modern Carnivore and he's also contributed a bunch of his best wild game recipes to the Meat Eater website. In addition to that, Lucas is also the executive director of the conservation group Sportsman for the Boundary Waters, and he's gonna he's here to talk to us today about the most recent congressional assault on one of America's most cherished wild places, which is Minnesota's Boundary Waters. Canoe area, like the Boundary Waters have been threatened before, managed to fight those threats off, but this one, this time, it's like serious. And before we get to the interview with Lucas, like for anyone who's not familiar, I want to give you guys a quick background on the on the Boundary Waters that's going to help you understand what the steaks are here. The Boundary Waters Canoe Area Wilderness is a one point one million acre ftterally protected wilderness area in northeastern Minnesota Superior National Force. It's big. I think Yellowstone is two million, so you know, a million acre is a big chunk of land. It's the most visited wilderness area in the United States, has five lakes, twelve hundred plus miles of canoe routes, and it offers backcountry canoeing, hunting, fishing, hiking, and winter activities. It's like this vast, very pristine network of interconnected waterways that provide really good fishing for walleye pike, smallmouth bass, lake trout. And the area also encompasses our southernmost boreal forest that harbors you know, you can hunt waterfowl, black bears, spruce, and rough grause snowshoe hairs and white tailed deer, and they're white tail deer that have never seen a corn pile, so they're pretty cool. And the reason we're talking about all this is because the boundary waters is threatened by this massive sulfide or copper mine that's proposed on the banks of the South Koishi Koishawe River and Birch Lake, and sulfide ore mining in the United States has a like a long, dark history of causing significant environmental damage. There's like something seems to always go wrong with these mines. They're like you can look it up. There's plenty of examples. You google it and you'll see all these examples across the United States where these mines have just caused irreversible damage to habitat, polluting streams, lakes, drinking water supplies with heavy metals and other toxins. Hard rock mining is the most generally regarded as the most toxic industry in America, and hydrologists say that pollution from mining in this area is like it's inevitable, it's gonna happen. So we're going to talk to Lucas. Lucas you on the line. 00:11:27 Speaker 8: I sure, am, thanks guys for having me and Brody you really you nailed that intro man. 00:11:32 Speaker 2: Thanks. Thanks. Before we get into the Boundary Waters, let's first talk about who Sportsman for the Boundary Waters is and what you guys do. 00:11:43 Speaker 9: Yeah, so, I mean, you know, Sportsmen for the Boundary Waters was founded you know, roughly a decade ago, uh, mainly as the hunting and angling voice for the area, for protections of the area, for the world class hunting and fishing opportunities that it holds, like you talked about, but also you know, to you know, to work and prevent this proposed copper nickel mind that you were talking about by Twin Metals, which is a subsidiary of Anna Fagasta, which is a Chilean mining conglomerate. 00:12:13 Speaker 8: So that's one of our kind of key issues that we work on. 00:12:16 Speaker 9: And we also have a pretty robust stewardship and habitat program so on the ground projects working with you know, state and national you know partners and coalitions as well. 00:12:27 Speaker 2: Great. So obviously this seems Randall. Randall was trying to play music over here. 00:12:37 Speaker 4: Sorry, I was trying to hop into the chat. 00:12:41 Speaker 8: I really liked. 00:12:46 Speaker 2: Okay Lucas, So like obviously too. Like most people, I would say, this seems like a real shitty place to to put it sulfide or mining operation. So can you lay out why Congress approved stripping protections from the boundary waters. 00:13:10 Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean it's been a very part is an issue for a long time, right. You know, supporters of the mountain are hoping for you know, protect projected jobs and you know, royalties to the states, you know, touting the idea for showing up you know, domestic critical minerals dominance. But it really is like a terrible place for this, as you alluded to, right, it's extremely water rich environment, he said. The super National Forest SUPIRIT National Force holds twenty percent of the fresh water in the entire National forest system, huge interconnected, water rich area. It is just a terrible spot for it. Right on the shores of Birch Lake, you know, miles away from the boundary waters, the headwaters of the area. And it's located, you know, north of the Laurentian Divide, so all the flows north that'd be through the boundary waters in and out of it up through Rainy Lake, you know, a great walleye fishery and and and others all the way up to Hudson Bay, also affecting parts of you know, the Canadian border waters you know you mentioned the Boundary water is one point one million acre as well. Uh, it's it's sister park uh in Canada. The Cutico is nearly the same size. 00:14:22 Speaker 8: Yeah, they border as well. 00:14:25 Speaker 2: So it would end up flowing downstream to that as well. Yep, exactly you said, Yes, you said it's a partisan issue, which is unfortunate, but you know the reality is is that the Republicans and Congress are the ones that push this thing through. It's right, and again like. 00:14:52 Speaker 1: Is this like. 00:14:56 Speaker 2: Unfortunately, like is this come down to money? 00:15:01 Speaker 9: I mean for it's hard to say, right, Like you know, quick background, you know what what this and we can get into the House. Resolution that was introduced by Representative Stobburn passed the House last week. But you know it's it's this resolution is meant to overturn a twenty year mining moratorium in nearly two hundred and twenty five thousand acres in that Rainy River watershed, the watershed that houses the Boundary Watershed National Forest, and that happened in January of twenty twenty three. So we're just right at about the three year anniversary of those protections being put in place. And coincidentally, Anafagasta just got mined for not meeting regulations in one of its Chilean mines to the tune of nearly eight hundred thousand dollars this week too. 00:15:50 Speaker 2: So yeah, it's crazy like whenever one of these these huge mining operations pops up that's like environmentally questionable, it's like always a foreign mining company. 00:16:05 Speaker 8: That's right, that's right. 00:16:06 Speaker 9: And and a key point to put to point out here is is like and if I GASA, yes, Chilean mining conglomerate definitely has you know, certain ties to the current administration. It obviously, you know, is about money, but but it's also about tying into that you know, need for domestic critical minerals. 00:16:26 Speaker 2: Right. 00:16:28 Speaker 9: The whole issue with that is is that those minerals, once extracted, are going to be shipped overseas. There are no there are no smelting operations on US soil that are capable of taking care of that. And once werlds end up, you know, on foreign and soil for processing, they just flood the global market with with no guarantee that they're coming back. 00:16:49 Speaker 2: Yeah, to us. Yeah, no, no, we don't get anything. I mean someone's getting something out of it, but. 00:16:57 Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, and you know, no one's saying that. 00:17:02 Speaker 8: You know, it's a twenty year withdraw right. 00:17:04 Speaker 9: The whole the whole reason for that is to give it time to find out whether or not it's bible. Yeah, potentially a technology catches up, who knows, But at the moment, as you said, there is no type. There is no project similar to this that has been done without polluting in some form. Yeah, and that's mostly arid environments too, exactly. 00:17:26 Speaker 2: So like obviously this goes like way beyond a handful of hunters and anglers that are worried about like their spot. Right. So besides, like the clearly dangerous environmental risks, there's also could be a huge like a local and regional economic you know, component to what's at stake here, because the boundary water supports like seventeen thousand jobs and generates a billion dollars in sales and income annually. So I I just wondered if you can hit on on that aspect of this at all, like what what like who would be the people that would be losing jobs losing money if this thing goes forward. 00:18:13 Speaker 9: Well, certainly, certainly all of the local businesses. You know, this the boundary waters and the surrounding areas are a huge economic driver for for all of those you know, local towns and cities. And you know, it's it's not just those local businesses. I mean this trickles out everywhere to the folks that are excited and buying gear to you know, to go up and take the trips to you know, to everything that's needed for a place like this. Yeah, and for a trip to that you know, true backcountry wilderness experience that anybody can you know, from a you know, an infant I just took, you know, the first time I took my kids they were two, you know, all the way up to somebody on their fiftieth anniversary. 00:18:53 Speaker 8: That's you know, eighty five, right. It is truly accessible to everyone. 00:18:56 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:18:58 Speaker 9: So yeah, yeah, And then you know, with with the resolution and the unfortunate piece for that is, yes, it did pass the House, and now it does you know, move on to the Senate and real the real battle is is hoping that we can turn this into a bipartis an issue and that you know, this crosses the isle and and we can have some Republican folks, you know, understand the implications of of what using the Congressional Review Act for overturning a mineral draw really means not only for the Bounty Waters but for similar protections across the country too. 00:19:34 Speaker 2: Yeah. That that's I mean, that's the worrying aspect of it. Is like if the dominoes start falling after this, you know, so it's going to the Senate, do you got to feel for what things are looking like there, like which direction it's leaning or is it completely up in the air. 00:19:55 Speaker 8: You know, it's it's pretty up in the air. 00:19:57 Speaker 9: The UH so, the Senate Parliamentarian still has to rule on whether or not the usage of the CRA the Congressional Review Act is lawful in this manner because traditionally it's only been used for UH land management plans. This is a federal action, so kind of an unprecedented UH usage of the CRA. So we're hoping to hear what that ruling may be and if it'll sway the movement in the Senate as well. But at this moment it has not been been taken up in the Senate. You know, I think as everybody knows there's a lot a lot else going on right now in Congress. 00:20:33 Speaker 2: What's what's the timing on it? Do you know when they're going to get to it? 00:20:40 Speaker 8: We certainly expect sooner than later. It moves so fast through the House. 00:20:43 Speaker 9: I mean we're talking an introduction, you know, less than two weeks ago to passage last week, right like, so it really slammed through and it had it certainly had some help too, So we know that when it does hit the Senate, they know they have the backing to get it to move forward. So best case scenario is that doesn't get the light of day and our states do some work to ensure that. 00:21:11 Speaker 8: It scares off the folks trying to get this. 00:21:13 Speaker 3: To move move forward in the Senate as well. 00:21:16 Speaker 2: I know this is kind of like beating a dead horse with all these kind of issues that come up, But what can people do to help stop it from happening? 00:21:27 Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, this isn't a bluer red issue, man, This is this is everybody. You know, this is the time for us all to come together, you know, for the places that we cherish and understand that it has those broader implications for others. So it's not just a Minnesota issue, it's a national issue. There are tons of great organizations working on this. The best thing you can do is call your senators. It doesn't matter if they're Republican or Democrat. They need to hear from their constituents that this is not the right place for this mind and that this resolution should not move forward in the Senate. Making those phone calls, getting a meeting with your with your senators if you can, and and hooking up and joining conservation organizations that are working on this. Signing action alerts that that a number have out right now. Almost anything you can do is is most important right now. It's all hands on deck. 00:22:19 Speaker 2: Yeah. And and for people who are wondering, like it's actually very easy to call your senator. It's it's not like a painful long process. I wish we had a number, but you can look it up. 00:22:35 Speaker 8: I know it, but there you go. Lay it on us two zero two two four four. 00:22:41 Speaker 3: Uh. 00:22:42 Speaker 8: I think it's three one two. 00:22:43 Speaker 2: One, Okay, Well, well if if it's wrong, we'll figure it out. 00:22:49 Speaker 8: But I think don't chechnique. 00:22:51 Speaker 9: But it connects you directly with the Capital switchboard and the operator can put you directly in touch with your uh, your senator's office. 00:23:01 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's actually a pretty quick process. All right, before before we let you go, Lucas, you are a chef, so we got to talk about food a little bit. Yeah, Giannis has given us the bird out there. This place is falling apart, man, like we announced that Radio Live is going away, and the whole place is falling apart. Sorry about this, Lucas is embarrassing. Give us like two or three of your favorite recipes or preparations from fishing game that that you typically would harvest in the boundary waters. 00:23:44 Speaker 8: If I'm in the boundary waters, sure should we do it? 00:23:47 Speaker 2: Yeah? 00:23:48 Speaker 1: Okay? 00:23:48 Speaker 2: Or if you brought something home from the boundary waters whatever. 00:23:53 Speaker 9: Well, I'll say, all right in camp, in camp, there is nothing better than shoreline's lake trap cooked in bacon grease on a cold day. 00:24:03 Speaker 1: Are are you just. 00:24:08 Speaker 9: Really lightly breaded with with the actual shore lunch? Otherwise, like one that I that I'll use is just like pulverized cheese. It's and use yellow mustard as a binder. Trust me, both they're great. But yeah, that that's one of that's one of my favorites. Honestly, let me think, gosh. 00:24:29 Speaker 1: What about walleye? Same thing? 00:24:33 Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, I think you know, Walleyees are pretty pretty lean fish. It cooks up really well in a ton of different preparations. It's really good and like curries and uhls I've done before. 00:24:46 Speaker 8: It's called putin esca. 00:24:48 Speaker 9: It's pretty rich, like olives, capers, anchovy, tomato based, you know. 00:24:54 Speaker 8: But again, I mean, nothing better than a fried walleye sandwich too. 00:24:57 Speaker 5: Right. 00:24:58 Speaker 2: Let's say you were up there and you shot yourself a rough grouse and you're like camping up there. What would you do with it? 00:25:06 Speaker 3: First? 00:25:07 Speaker 8: I'd let it sit for a little bit. 00:25:09 Speaker 2: Are you do? You mean like, let it hang for a while if you have. 00:25:14 Speaker 8: Time, I mean, yeah, you know, going going straight from shot to the pan can can make things a little bit difficult. But once that done, I honestly I pound out the breasts and see them in a cast iron with a little sauce over the fire, and take the legs and probably braise them in something, you know, which is just a really slow cook. If you have time, you can take the carcass. 00:25:35 Speaker 9: And make a stock, you know, to make a sauce, just kind of use the whole thing, right, yep, take me take maybe you know. 00:25:41 Speaker 8: The livers and hearts and grill them real quick, you know, just use everything you have. 00:25:45 Speaker 2: God, it makes me want to go to the Boundary Waters. 00:25:48 Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, you guys were talking about ice fishing earlier. It is prime time right now. 00:25:54 Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys got cold, we didn't. You got all the cold we missed? 00:25:58 Speaker 8: Man, Yeah, you can take you can take some. It's been too cold. 00:26:03 Speaker 2: Well listen, Lucas. Thanks thanks for chatting with us today and keep us posted on what's going on with the Boundary Waters. If there's anything we can do to help get the message out, let us know. 00:26:16 Speaker 8: Yeah, I really appreciate it. 00:26:17 Speaker 9: Spreading the word and just getting folks to take action is super important. 00:26:21 Speaker 8: So thank you so much for having me on today. 00:26:23 Speaker 2: Yep, thanks again. We'll talk soon. All right, moving on hopefully, hopefully we get some good news here soon. But we're gonna move on to our crew hot tip off. Normally we like to feature hot tip offs from our audience, but you guys have been kind of lame on submitting stuff. 00:26:45 Speaker 7: You know. 00:26:46 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, that's Brodie speaking. I think every tip we've gotten. 00:26:50 Speaker 2: I'm saying like we're just not like we're not getting many sent in right now. The folders pretty empty. 00:26:56 Speaker 5: Certainly not a lot of show works something. 00:26:58 Speaker 2: Come on, Phil, step it up, yeah, step it up. 00:27:02 Speaker 7: You don't have Maybe the folks just don't want to invest their time in the show that's going away. 00:27:09 Speaker 2: Like get there, get their big prize. 00:27:13 Speaker 1: If you've been holding in those hot tips for the last year and a half. 00:27:15 Speaker 2: Yeah, so anyway, you're stuck with our hot hot tips, which we'll see they might only be lukewarm tips. 00:27:22 Speaker 4: To sell way to sell the segment, Brodie. 00:27:24 Speaker 10: I know. 00:27:25 Speaker 2: Look, I'm trying to get get through this, Randall, I'm sad. 00:27:29 Speaker 1: Okay, now I feel bad. 00:27:32 Speaker 7: Yeah. 00:27:33 Speaker 2: The way we're gonna do this is we're not like the you guys are gonna vote on the the winner. But it's like kind of hard for Phil to do as we're we're doing the hot hot tips and compile kind of who got the most vote, So we'll the second time we talk to you guys, that's that's at the end of the show. That's when we'll announce the winner. So there'll be all this tension through the rest of the show. 00:27:58 Speaker 1: Okay, well that's not what I the plan was but I like it. I like to keep you on your toe. Brodie's to calling the shots today. 00:28:05 Speaker 2: It's my show, Phil, my show. So Seth Corey, which one of you guys wants to go first? Oh? 00:28:15 Speaker 5: Seth, why don't you do the honors? 00:28:16 Speaker 1: Sure, I'll go. 00:28:17 Speaker 5: I'm very curious. 00:28:18 Speaker 1: All right. 00:28:19 Speaker 7: So when you're when you're out fishing and it's like early spring, maybe later in the fall, water's cold, your hands are getting cold because you're touching fish and whatnot. A thing you can do to help take the edge off is wear a pair of night tild gloves. I prefer black, but I ran out of my black ones, so that this is the only thing I had laying around. H. I often wear those underneath a pair of fingerless gloves, and it's just enough to take the edge off if it's a little windy outside or whatnot. It's just enough to take the edge off and keep your your fingers warm. 00:29:00 Speaker 2: Aboutch that it works. I've done that running and you peel those things off and they're full of sweat water warm. 00:29:10 Speaker 5: Yeah, but I haven't tried that yet. And good for the fish too, if you're handling right, These are good gloves to handle fish. 00:29:15 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just it's just that little that little you know, barrier. 00:29:20 Speaker 1: Barrier there keeps your fingers warm. 00:29:23 Speaker 5: How about tying knots? 00:29:26 Speaker 7: That's yeah, it's a good thing because another plus is that you like have the dexterity that you would lose with like a fingered glove, a heavy finger glove. 00:29:34 Speaker 5: Ye, my vote, bring it all of a sudden. 00:29:42 Speaker 2: All right, try and beat that one, Cory. 00:29:43 Speaker 7: All right? 00:29:44 Speaker 2: My hot tip. 00:29:45 Speaker 5: I actually had a fun time a couple of months ago making a video. I was hoping there was going to be other crew submissions, but there haven't been any. So, uh, Phil, do you have my. 00:29:54 Speaker 2: Video up there? 00:29:55 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, let's bring it up. I didn't make a little title card for you, but I can just do it live here. 00:30:00 Speaker 5: Corey Culcum, thank you for pronouncing it correctly. 00:30:05 Speaker 8: Hi, I'm Corey Culkins. I got a hot tip for you. 00:30:08 Speaker 5: Anybody out there have one of these cheap foldable lifetime tables, Well, anybody ever tried to cut meat on these? And notice that it's just a little short and you find yourself hunched over all the time trying to cut up on these short tables. I'm going to teach you if you have one of these how to raise it up? So first I need to figure out it's pretty long. How much higher that i'd like it? So for me it would be nice maybe if it was about belly button height or higher. Then you're going to measure the distance from the ground up to that little crossbar right there, which looks like it's Oh, I'm going to say ten inches. So I need four twenty two inch sections of this pipe and get you a stick of. 00:30:50 Speaker 2: One of these one and a half inch. 00:30:53 Speaker 5: PBC pipes. Thanks. Two four. 00:31:01 Speaker 4: You should have just done the whole video that way. 00:31:06 Speaker 1: Oh we lost the camera. I like to say, thank you. Yeah, what a great film. 00:31:13 Speaker 5: Then two at a time, you're gonna lift the table and stick. 00:31:17 Speaker 8: One on each corner. 00:31:19 Speaker 2: One, two, three, three, that's what. 00:31:29 Speaker 5: Just like that, I've got a table. It's belly button height, so I can start cutting meat not hurting my back. 00:31:36 Speaker 1: Give it a try, man, that's good. 00:31:39 Speaker 3: I don't know it. 00:31:39 Speaker 5: We're all dead stuff in there, so I know my garage is a mess right now. Everything's in my drift boat. 00:31:44 Speaker 2: I only got one suggestion for Corey. Put some non slip feet down there on the bottom. 00:31:49 Speaker 5: Well, you know, I thought about that. I was concerned. But the angle of the feet that comes with the table is so wide that it's like it's pretty grippy. Yeah, so I don't know. It's just if you aren't able to watch, get to your computer phone fast and go watch that. 00:32:04 Speaker 4: But uh, it's pretty self explained trying to. 00:32:09 Speaker 5: Those tables are cheap and they're great you're at Costco or Walmart, but they're always just a hair short and I'm a short fellaw so and it's a cheap fix. 00:32:18 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like a cheap skate tip. Yeah. 00:32:20 Speaker 5: Yeah, shout out to my buddy Phil, who actually came up with that hot tip. 00:32:24 Speaker 2: This Phil, No, that's funny, Britty, Come on, don't get mad Broadwater Street, Phil. 00:32:32 Speaker 1: I'm not mad. I just you think I can know how to work a power tool my discusses. 00:32:36 Speaker 4: You could just find a chair and sit at your table. 00:32:38 Speaker 5: Oh that's uncomfortable. Oh yeah, you can't do that cutting up an elk for six seven. You'll get blood clothing, pass out from being dizzy. 00:32:50 Speaker 2: All right, I'm a little scared. 00:32:51 Speaker 5: Now. 00:32:52 Speaker 2: Mine's pretty simple, man. When you like, when you're brazing meat, cooking it in a liquid shank, roast whatever. Save the brazing liquid to reuse it once you're done cooking it, and whatever you're doing. It doesn't matter, like what kind of meal you're cooking. Strain that all that braizing liquid after you cook it, so it's you know, you get all the kind of scum and debris and stuff like that out of it. You'll get a pretty clear, you know, liquid, and put it in a tupperware, a mason jar, whatever, freeze it. The next time you're going to braise stuff. You get that stuff out thought out, dump it in there, and you can do this over and over and over again, and it just gets better every time. I got this jar of what I call taco juice that's like three It's like I've had it for like three years. Man. I use it for making like turkey leg carneta, like when I'm braizing turkey legs or whatever, like Mexican style, and I just keep reusing that stuff and it gets better and better, like you could eat it like soup. It's so good. So that's that's mine. 00:34:07 Speaker 1: I like that. We We actually do that all the time. 00:34:09 Speaker 7: Yeah, anytime we brace something, we run it through a screen at the end and then freeze it and then a lot of times we'll just pull it out, thaw it out and just drink it. 00:34:18 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly, it's good Man. 00:34:21 Speaker 5: Make a gravy with it. Yep, anything anything great, great. 00:34:24 Speaker 2: Four year old taco juice. That's my hot tip. 00:34:29 Speaker 1: I bet that Scott's a flavor. 00:34:30 Speaker 2: Yep, random, you want to jump. 00:34:35 Speaker 5: Winter it gets a bag of chips here, so hot tip. 00:34:40 Speaker 4: Gosh, I don't know. 00:34:41 Speaker 2: I shouldn't have come in here. 00:34:43 Speaker 5: Hair style tips. 00:34:44 Speaker 2: We put you on the spot. 00:34:45 Speaker 4: It's okay, all come up with something some good. 00:34:48 Speaker 2: Just give me. 00:34:49 Speaker 1: So here's here's where the problem lies in your strategy, Brodie. I uh, I think that the live chat can see pole results before I announced them. I think it it updates them live. So if I start the poll now, the audience will already know what the results are, so we might as well just announce them soon, dam it, Phil, the landslide or what. 00:35:09 Speaker 2: I'll start to build up some tension here. 00:35:11 Speaker 4: Can we just edit this part out, Phil. 00:35:14 Speaker 1: Where you don't come up with them. The radio lives it doesn't exist, so this is pre taped. 00:35:18 Speaker 2: You're right, all right? Whatever? 00:35:20 Speaker 1: Phil? 00:35:21 Speaker 2: I thought you were like, all right? 00:35:22 Speaker 1: Starting the poll and Randall is one of the offensive randal. You have about thirty seconds to come up with a hot tip. Go oh god, people are voting already the longer hurry. 00:35:33 Speaker 5: Randall, flat tires, shooting pistols. 00:35:38 Speaker 4: Oh, when you go to the. 00:35:39 Speaker 6: Range and the range being an empty piece of public land where you shoot, bring a rake so you don't have to pick up individual brass cases by the thousands. 00:35:49 Speaker 1: Yep, preach. Yeah, we were shooting last weekend randal was like we should have brought a rake. 00:35:54 Speaker 4: Yeh, we had because we littered the ground. 00:35:56 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:35:57 Speaker 5: Any suggestions on a type of rake, metal, rake, plastic. 00:36:00 Speaker 6: I would think just something with the teeth rather close together, because like a two two three case, you know, if it gets the long way in there, you could see it sliding through. 00:36:10 Speaker 4: But I don't know if that's really hot tip. 00:36:12 Speaker 6: We also thought we should just shoot steelcased Ammo and he's a magnet, but I don't I haven't tried it yet, so I don't know if it's hot tip. To think of it, I actually haven't used the rake tip either, so. 00:36:23 Speaker 1: I'll add a hot tip to your hot tip. Geez, you guys are getting pick up your damn brass. 00:36:29 Speaker 4: Yeah, don't, don't be a garbage person. 00:36:33 Speaker 1: You want to follow up hot tip Randal based on this question you got Garrett asking what's the advantage of opening FreeDOS from the bottom of the bag as opposed to the top. 00:36:41 Speaker 6: Oh, you get at them faster if you're holding the bag upside down, and that's what. Plus it's I if you're self conscious about what you're eating and you don't want people to be able to read the label, hold it upside down. They'll think maybe it's some sort of foreign food and you're a fancy person that buys like worded snacks. 00:37:00 Speaker 1: Here's another hot tip. 00:37:01 Speaker 7: Take fritos on your back on your trips because they're high in calories and you can start fires with them. 00:37:06 Speaker 6: Into you can mix them into like a if you know, if you have a freeze dried chili or stew or anything like that, like a Mexican mash as I like to call most of the Mountainhouse Southwestern meals. 00:37:18 Speaker 4: You just dump your Frido's in there. You're gonna be living like a king. 00:37:21 Speaker 2: Doesn't matter if they get all mashed up in your pack. So good. 00:37:24 Speaker 1: Thirty more seconds on the pole. How many hot tips you're going now are thrilling. 00:37:30 Speaker 4: Yeah, My hot tips are layered. 00:37:35 Speaker 1: Corey Bird, you want to throw any additional ones in there to try to juice your numbers here? 00:37:39 Speaker 2: No, man, don't hurt your sand on mine. 00:37:42 Speaker 1: All right, well, forty percent of the vote. The winner today is Randall William What we took his away? Who was? Yea? 00:37:56 Speaker 5: Yeah, Coryne God, thanks everybody. 00:38:02 Speaker 2: Hey, Randall, shout out to the crew. 00:38:05 Speaker 4: And by the crew, I mean, the chat must have been that editing you guys. 00:38:09 Speaker 2: Do we got any other feedback? 00:38:11 Speaker 1: We want to go doing feedback right now? 00:38:13 Speaker 2: Do a couple. 00:38:16 Speaker 1: Sure? I I I will just say something really quick based on some comments. I do not speak for meat eater or Steve or TRCP. Putting a sitting US representative on the podcast is not platforming them. So if you're if anything, it lets them speak more to things and you can hold them accountable for it come election season or when you call your representatives and senators. So anyway, that's all I have to say about that. They already have a pretty big platform, and they're writing the legislation. 00:38:45 Speaker 2: Different than them going on the news exactly. 00:38:48 Speaker 1: Yeah. Anyway, when Rachel Maddow has Josh Holly on, it's not we're not platforming him, We're letting him talk or vice versa. Let's do something sure, Jackson Reedy says, when I cook shanks in the the tendons turn gelatinous but usually sticks to the meat and doesn't add much moisture but just leaves an unpleasant texture. What am I doing wrong? 00:39:07 Speaker 5: Hmmmm? 00:39:08 Speaker 7: Just think about your joints when you're eating that gelatinous stuff. That's good for you if it's not turning like almost liquidy. I don't know, like what your process is for cooking them, but I would try maybe going a little less temperature and quite a bit longer. 00:39:25 Speaker 5: Yeah, if it's stuck to the meat, might just need some more time. 00:39:27 Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that stuff. Oh it's good. 00:39:31 Speaker 5: Will I know what he means? 00:39:32 Speaker 2: It can take Sometimes it doesn't get where you want it to get. 00:39:36 Speaker 1: Will meat Theater continue to exist when Radio Live ends? Give me meat Theater, give me death Randall. 00:39:43 Speaker 6: You know, meat Theaters you're starting as a fever dream in my mind and it will always live there. But if you are a fan of meat theater, be sure to tune into the Meat Eater Radio Live Grand Finale Spectacular. 00:39:59 Speaker 2: Live on what date? 00:40:00 Speaker 1: Phil March fifth? 00:40:02 Speaker 4: March fifth, You won't be disappointed. 00:40:04 Speaker 1: We should make merch for this final episode. 00:40:08 Speaker 4: I think we're going to find an investor just comes in and buys the concept. 00:40:14 Speaker 1: Maybe we can sell the concept. There's some questions of regarding the news show and will it be live. Noe, the new show will not be live. That's that's kind of the whole point is just so we can Steve can talk about stuff whenever he wants. We can drop it quickly. 00:40:28 Speaker 4: Oh no, this guy says the rake doesn't work. 00:40:31 Speaker 1: Uh, oh, dang it. 00:40:36 Speaker 6: I've got a big I've got a big canvas drop cloth like for painting that I used as a floor in the wall tent this fall. Next time we go out, we should just spread that out on the ground and do all of our shooting. 00:40:49 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:40:50 Speaker 4: Thing we just rolled up like a like a rug. 00:40:52 Speaker 2: It's kind of like when a hit man kills someone on axter it up. 00:40:57 Speaker 5: Yeah, blood and everything. 00:40:58 Speaker 7: Randall and I have been throwing on the idea of starting the Meat Eater Intermural Pistol League. 00:41:03 Speaker 4: It's called the it's called the me e p Lee for short. 00:41:09 Speaker 1: So questions about about drops and uh stuff like that. I will in the first week of March. I will put together a strung together medley of all of my drops and really put it on the Reddit or somewhere where you guys, you weirdos, can download it. 00:41:24 Speaker 4: Can you put it on Spotify or will you get dinged? 00:41:27 Speaker 1: Yeah? I don't think I can do Spotify, but yes, it's got to be kind of under the radar. 00:41:33 Speaker 2: Phil, we we got Jeremy waiting for us. 00:41:36 Speaker 1: We actually don't. He's not in his chair right now. 00:41:38 Speaker 2: So yeah, this guy loves Jeremy Romero, like we got to bring him in now, Okay, all right, up next, we've got Jeremy Romero from the National Wildlife Federation. You might have seen Jeremy hunt with Steve on the Meat Eater television show. I think you guys did a couple of different shows, uh down there in New Mexico. But if not, go watch that. And I can personally vouch for for Jeremy's status as as an all around good guy. He's a hard working wildlife conservationist. He helps out me and Steve on the Youth Deer Hunt and and this, this should tell you everything you need to know. About him. He sleeps in a tool shed with the minks at Steve's fish shed. 00:42:27 Speaker 1: He's a good stick. 00:42:29 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, he like he may have been the guy who introduced a slow pitch jigging to Southeast Alaska. 00:42:36 Speaker 1: Yeah, the og pitch. 00:42:39 Speaker 2: How's that for buttering you up, Jeremy? 00:42:44 Speaker 1: Oh, audio problems. He sounded great right before this. 00:42:50 Speaker 2: I can keep buttering and I appreciate the compliments. 00:42:55 Speaker 1: Hey, Jeremy, really really quick. We are getting audio from you, but it sounds like it's coming out of a tin can and we can't understand a word you're saying. So I'm gonna I'm gonna boot you from the call, and you want to try to hop back in. 00:43:05 Speaker 4: I no boot him. 00:43:07 Speaker 1: Well he can. 00:43:09 Speaker 2: See, Oh yeah, kick from the studio. 00:43:11 Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna we're gonna try this again. I kind of like this show is ending free wheeling spirit. We got going when the wheels are just falling off. It was so buttoned up before, but now we really show our true colors, loosen our calls. It's kind of like when you put your two weeks a little bit. We actually got we got solid numbers, right. Oh, we need him back, Yeah, yeah, I mean, I think the Kay, let's try again. 00:43:44 Speaker 4: All the hard work is ahead of us. 00:43:47 Speaker 1: You think, Jeremy, want to give us a few words. 00:43:49 Speaker 2: Here, any any better? Okay, guy that no worries why. 00:43:56 Speaker 3: That was was messing up, But I should have just stayed quiet with all those things. You guys are. Yeah, yeah, that was nice. 00:44:03 Speaker 1: I appreciate it all. 00:44:04 Speaker 2: Right now, now that you're feeling all good about yourself, I want to talk to you about state wildlife commissions and their role in guiding the rules and regulations that are set forth by state fish and game agencies. I think a lot of people maybe aren't aware of how these things work in regards to the regulations that you got to follow in any given state. A lot of people are like, you know, fishing, game or parks and wildlife, they do this or they do that. But in a lot of cases, it's like they're doing these things at the behest of what state wildlife commissions kind of like how they steer them into a into a particular management strategy. So, Jeremy, give us a quick breakdown of what a state wildlife commission is and who they're supposed to represent, as far as different user groups and stakeholders and then and then like how they actually end up guiding the policies of state fishing game agencies. 00:45:11 Speaker 10: Yeah, you bet, And first of all, thanks for having me on the show. You know, you bring up a really good point, and a lot of people don't quite understand, you know what, and you know what game commissions do and game commissioners and their responsibilities and roles with working with the with the Department of Game and Fishes and so, you know, I think it's important to note that these commissioners are tasked with setting the rules and regulations as you mentioned, you know, hunting dates, as well as quota limits and things like usable weapon type. They're also tasked with hiring and overseeing managing the directors of the departments, deputy directors. It kind of goes, it kind of varies depending on the state and how the department is made up. But they also are tasked with, you know, receiving a lot of that public input and trying to incorporate that into management level decisions. But at the end of the day, the folks that work with the departments, they propose different ideas, different recommendations as far as like the rules changes, policy changes, and at the end of the day, the game, the game and fish commissions are the ones that are tasked with voting to finally approve or adopt those measures that go into those proclamations that you see that you know, identify hunt dates, species types, weapon types, et cetera. So they play a pretty important role. And you know, most states the number of commissioners is different, but a lot of times what I've seen is, you know, in that five to seven range, and they really they are really tasked with an important role of well, we're seeing the game agencies and they have budgets, improving budgets, all that those types. 00:46:55 Speaker 2: And generally they they're supposed to represent different user groups and stakeholders, correct, Like there will be like a commissioner that represents the ranching community, There'll be a commissioner that represents like outfitters and guides. They'll be a commissioner that represents like wildlife biology, et cetera, et cetera. Like that is that correct? 00:47:22 Speaker 10: Yeah, that's exactly right. So usually you see a few at large seats. So people fill in those commission roles for various reasons, but a lot of times, by law, those commissioners have to represent those different stakeholder groups or those different demographics. And so, as you mentioned, you'll have a a rancher or a farmer on the commission you'll have a hunter and angler. In some instances, you'll have an indigenous member from a federally recognized tribe. And sometimes you'll have seats that are filled based off of geography in different states. And so you know, it's importing to point out that in most situations, in most states across our country, commissioners are appointed at the discretion of the governors. So you have a new governor that comes in office newly elected, and they essentially appoint a new slate of commissioners. 00:48:16 Speaker 3: And the hope would be. 00:48:18 Speaker 10: That those that the governor or the overseeing body points those commissioners that are qualified to serve in these roles right, qualified or knowledgeable and doing so represent the best interests of hunters, anglers and wildlife management. 00:48:35 Speaker 3: Right, Yep, that's not always the case. 00:48:38 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's let's let's kind of pause. I don't I don't want you to roll too far ahead of us yet. I was I was gonna you already answer my question, which is how our wildlife commissioners chosen most of the time their governor appointees, and I want to address that before you before we move on. In states like Colorado, Washington, you may have some other examples that use this system where these people are appointed directly by the governor. 00:49:12 Speaker 1: We've seen. 00:49:15 Speaker 2: Wildlife commissioners who are like openly anti hunting end up on these commissions, and these are the people who end up shaping the policy at least can like affect the policy of state fish and game agencies. Is there any do you have any other state examples you're aware of that were, like, you know, in Washington, things happened like spring bear hunting got outlawed. In Colorado, the wildlife commissioners got involved with things like the wolf free introduction in ways that probably weren't in the best interests of hunters, anglers and wildlife management. 00:50:01 Speaker 10: Sure, yeah, I mean, you guys have done a phenomenal job of what's been happening in Colorado and Washington, and there really aren't whole lot of examples. You know, we'll touch on kind of what's happened in New Mexico. But the other one that comes to mind, which wasn't exactly you know, the full responsibility, responsibility of the Game Commission. But we saw you know, in New Jersey with the black bear hunting and trying to reduce black bear hunting. That wasn't all the Commission's fault, but it was very much a politically driven effort. So you can you can you know, say that it was indirectly, you know, attributed to to commission level impact. 00:50:35 Speaker 2: You know. 00:50:35 Speaker 10: You you bring up an important point, which is sometimes you'll have commissioners that are pointed by the governor that just do not serve the best interests of the hunting, hunting, angling, or wildlife management communities. But there's also the flip side, right, the flip side is that you have these qualified commissioners that do represent you know, the hunting, angling and wildlife management world. But at the same time, when they bring up controversial topics that you know, the hunting, hunting and angling community want to see brought up, sometimes they're removed. Sometimes they're removed from those seats, right, any valid justification whatsoever. 00:51:15 Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's at the will of the governor. 00:51:17 Speaker 10: Right, correct, Yeah, absolutely, And so I can get into, you know a little bit of what New Mexico did to help. 00:51:24 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk about that. Your home state is New Mexico, and up until this past year, New Mexico's wildlife commissioners were appointed by the governor. But a bill recently passed in New Mexico that mandates that the commissioners be selected through a different process. So can you explain what the process in New Mexico will be going forward and whether you think that's going to be an improvement on the current like governor appointed system. 00:51:56 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely so. 00:51:58 Speaker 10: So last year New Mexico munch conservation organizations came together, formed a coalition and pursued a bill. It's called Senate Bill five. It was the title of it was Game Commission Reform. There was a lot in that bill, so i'll just quickly touch on it. Part of it was renaming the wildlife the Game and Fish Agency to Department of Wildlife. Changed the mission of that increased license fees, which were much needed for game and fish agencies. Our licenses in New Mexico hadn't been increased and I want to say around twenty years, so you know, kind of meeting current cost of living and inflation and adjusting those prices accordingly, bringing in more funds to the agency. But the most important piece and the most important piece that's relevant to this conversation was, you know, the section of the bill that reformed kind of the way our Wildlife Commission is created, and so the Wildlife Commission will still have seven voting members. Instead of being appointed by the governor, there is now a a Wildlife Commission nominating committee. So this is a little bit of another layer of protection that insulates these commissioners from just being appoint for specific government interest or governor interests. 00:53:13 Speaker 2: Who who makes up that committee? Is it state legislat members from the state legislature or who. 00:53:21 Speaker 10: So there are members of the state legislature. There's also the the director, the directors from both of the which isn't it's actually pretty cool. The directors from you know, the wildlife conservation biology, wildlife wildlife biology programs at both of the universities in New Mexico, the large largest university, so University of New Mexico and New Mexico State University, as well as some of the directors from the agencies within the state government. So I want to say it was you know, the director of or secretary of uh UH Energy and Minerals, natural Resources, those those types of roles. So it's a pretty comprehensive list of folks that formed that nominating committee. 00:54:09 Speaker 2: Great, so now now you'll have this new process and and in your opinion, do you think it's going to be an improvement on how the Commission is able to act in the best interests of the people in New Mexico and the wildlife in the. 00:54:27 Speaker 10: Percent one hundred percent? And you know in that criteria for appointing those new those new members to a nominating committee, they have some some restrictions to do so. Right, So there's a seven, uh, you know, seven commission members, of which three of them are at large. So really they can be nominated for a lot of different reasons. You know, one of the members has to be from a federally recognized tribe that represents you know, tribal interests. No more than two members can be affiliated with the same political Already those initial three at large members. The remaining four one of them has to be a farmer or ranter who actively farms or ranches where two big game species are frequently present. 00:55:13 Speaker 3: Cool, right, Not someone who's who's. 00:55:16 Speaker 10: A rancher or a farmer that has you know, political interests or ties to an administration. They have to be in an area where big game are present, so that's employant. Another member has it has to be a conservationist working from a conservation organization that has been employed in the conservation field for at least four years. The other one has to be a hunter and angler or you know, it could be both, and they had to have had a license, a hunting and fishing license. 00:55:47 Speaker 3: For four years. 00:55:48 Speaker 10: And then the last person is a scientist who holds at least a master's degree in wildlife biology, conservation biology, fishery science, et cetera. And termal limits those commissioners are six year terms and they can only serve two terms. So you know that and of itself creates a buffer from being able to be with you know, appointed for a lot of different interests. That brings a lot of knowledge and expertise and you know, quite frankly qualified individuals to serve on these seats. And then the other important piece of that legislation was it is it prevented the way it was initially written. Was it created a much more formal process for a governor to remove a commission member. You know, eight years ago we had two commissioners, a chair and the vice chair of the commission here in New Mexico. That brought up some topics that were controversial. I think those topics, in my opinion, were, you know, we're within the best interest of of helping hunting and hunters and anglers in New Mexico. As a result of those efforts, the governor overnight removed those commissioners. 00:56:59 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's that's the best thing about this is it kind of puts a roadblock in the way of a governor who might want to like push their own agenda through the state Fishing Game Agency, like like we've seen in states like Colorado. It kind of it puts a stopper on that, which is, in my opinion, a really good thing. 00:57:25 Speaker 10: In these in these processes where you have commissioners representing, you know, what's best for the hunting and angling and wildlife management world. You know, you want those checks and balances. You don't want, you know, a governor to remove commissioner because they're doing the right thing. You know, you you don't want commissioners serving in these roles for reasons other than you know, the best interests of the hunting, angling and wildlife management worlds. So it really is a good thing. I hope other states, you know, adopt these measures to really you know, insulate their com miss to best serve members of those states. 00:58:04 Speaker 3: You know, a lot of this goes into effect next. 00:58:07 Speaker 10: Year, so we're really going to get to see when you know, as rubber as rubber meets the road, what this looks like. But I I imagine that it's going to be nothing but good news for for the state of New Mexico, and hopefully other states see it as a as a model and start to adopt it if they don't already have a similar model, you know, in place. The one thing I did want to mention Brody was, you know, in that in that section to remove a commissioner, there was a lengthy section there that provided more of that formal, you know process to remove a commissioner, and at the time the governor ended up vetowing or mind vetoing a lot of that section to the only remaining So the only remaining section there for the removal process is a commissioner can be removed if it is deemed that they are and you know, if they're illustrating incompetence and you know, neglect of duty or malfeasance in that in that office. Now there's similar efforts in this legislative session to kind of reinsert that language. So there's a much more formal process that has to go through the courts if in fact, it is deemed that a commissioner should be removed. So that's that's important piece worth noting, and I think it provides those different layers of of uh, you know, oversight before something like that happens. 00:59:31 Speaker 2: One last thing about these state wildlife commissions that I want to I want you to talk about that again. People may not be aware of like these people you should look at them almost like one of your congressional representatives or state legislature represents, Like they're there to represent you, they work for you. So and people may not be aware that they can interact with these people and communicate with them. And so I just just wanted you to touch on how people can do that, how can they let their voices be heard to these these state wildlife commissions. 01:00:10 Speaker 10: And it's it's incredibly important that people understand that they can connect with these these commissioners. Why because a lot of times these commissioners represent those constituents, right, So if there's an issue that you're facing, if there's a problem or even an opportunity in your areas, or something you do when it comes to hunting and fishing, like being able to communicate that to a commissioner so they can then also carry a little bit of that way and advocate it at the department level is important and so you know, most game and phish websites have a commission page where it identifies all the different commissioners that are sitting in those seats, provides contact information, usually their email. You can reach out to them via via email and express your concern, concerns, frustrations, or you know, commend them for the good work there they could they could be doing. Another important resource a way to commission to communicate with those commissioners is at the public meeting level. Most state game departments have public commission meetings. You know, this is where those rules and regulations and setting budgets and approving them and you know, hearing from what the department wants to do. 01:01:16 Speaker 3: But needs that approval. This is the this is the setting for that. 01:01:19 Speaker 10: And so most of these commission meetings are publicly advertised via the game department's websites. 01:01:26 Speaker 3: You can go and attend these meetings. 01:01:28 Speaker 10: There's also and I would say all of the meetings there's a carve out for public participation where you can go up there, you know, and talk about the issues that are that are most concerning to you. And at the end of the day, if you don't you don't feel comfortable doing that in a public setting, you can at least introduce yourself and meet the commissioners you know, in person at these at these commission level meetings. And I would say those those two are probably the most important ways to communicate with your commissioners to hope we see the work, the good work be done and reflect the best interests of the hunting and angling and wildlife management communities. 01:02:07 Speaker 2: Yeah, they'll they'll often be like, uh, like a question, comment, opinion, like survey type thing attached to those meetings that you can fill out too, And and that goes to those commissioners as well. 01:02:24 Speaker 10: The only the only thing I want to point out, it's the commission is you know, with the current attacks that you've seen hunting and angling at the at the commission levels, not only important commissioners, that's that's an important piece, but also reaching out to the different you know, to the agencies directly as well as to the different conservation organizations that. 01:02:49 Speaker 3: Are that are advocating for these bills. 01:02:52 Speaker 10: Are you know, working day and night to see you know, commission reform take place like it's worth it's waiting to reach out and support those organizations because those are the ones that are going to go to bat for you on issues like this, and they're you know, the tip of the speer when it comes to seeing legislation like what happened in New Mexico get over the finish line. So I want to emphasize, you know, reaching out and supporting those conservational organizations because they do play a critical role in the school this whole piece. 01:03:19 Speaker 2: Yep, for sure, organizations like yours, New Mexico Wildlife Federation you mentioned, But any of them, you know, b h A, they're they're all, they're all working for you. So absolutely all right, Jeremy, we got to move on. But thanks for thanks for joining us today and talking to us. 01:03:40 Speaker 10: Thanks guys for having me. I got to go get some lunch after hearing Lucas talk about that. Yeah, delays and curry and smash grass breast. I gotta go eat, but I appreciate you all for letting me chat with you today and I look for the rest of the show. 01:03:55 Speaker 3: Great. 01:03:55 Speaker 2: Thanks man. 01:03:56 Speaker 1: Thanks Jeremy, all right, you learn anything there? I always learned something when I'm around Jeremy. 01:04:06 Speaker 2: All right, man, this one, I'm hoping it'll be fun. We're gonna do some some fan emails and we'll try and you know, get some feedback from the crew here. This is This is one that I think is very interesting and I'll read through it here for you guys. This is coming from Peter in Vancouver Island, British Columbia. Family members and I have been traveling northeast Montana each fall to hunt pheasants for about fifteen years. We've done our homework, scoping out habitat, establishing relationships with landowners. It's been a great time, but changes our foot recently past Senate Bill five fourteen. We'll give Montana residents a head start on the season by ten days. My cohort and I obviously think this is a bad idea. We will probably head to North Dakota for next season opener. I think this is a good one for your show to tackle, including why the state doesn't give preferential treatment to residents for fishing. Quite certain, the same folks from western Montana clamoring for preferential treatment for upland hunting in eastern Montana would strongly oppose such a change strictly for economic reasons. Okay, this guy is bummed that he can't hunt the dumb young of the year birds anymore before they get shot at. Like, I get it, I pheasn't hunt. They're a lot easier to kill in the first week of the season. Like, I'll let everyone waigh in, but I'm gonna say one thing to this guy first, And I'm not trying to be confrontational. It's just the reality of like being a non resident, I cannot go to British Columbia and hunt big game unless I hire a guide, like preferential treatment for right, It's just the way things work. As far as his fishing thing, like fishing and hunting, it's like you can't compare it. It's like apples and orners. But I'll give you an example where resident anglers are highly prioritizized over non redsid and that's Alaska. Like we deal with it every year, man, Like the limits are very strict compared to what residents can do for many species of fish, so states do in some cases prioritize residents for fishing, and like it or not, this is just like a larger trend that's been going on across Western states for the last several years. The fact is, like, no state is under the obligation to provide equal access and opportunity to that state's game resources to non residents, like they're just not states could be a state could be like, we're not letting any resident, non residence hunt here. The reason these things, these things happen is because state fish and game agencies and wildlife commissions, like we just talked about, they're under an obligation to try and satisfy they're resident hunters, Like they got to keep those people happy. They need the money from non resident license sales, like there's no doubt about that. But there's a social component to this, and that's that residents get priority and their satisfaction with their experience is important. You've seen this happen over the past few years. Colorado no longer issues over the counter archery l licenses to non residents. Wyoming Colorado cut non resident rifle draw tags pretty significantly. Montana reduced non resident mule deer tags. So, like, this is a thing that's that's been happening across the West and it and it is the result of kind of how residents feel about their hunting experience. I feel for you, like I understand it, but uh, you know, I'm kind of like it is what it is. 01:08:13 Speaker 5: Man. 01:08:15 Speaker 2: I understand why you'd go to North Dakota, but you know it's ten days out of a three month long season. If you want to continue to hunt Montana, you could you're just missing the first ten days of the season. I don't know if you guys have any thoughts. 01:08:31 Speaker 1: I agreed, you nailed it. 01:08:34 Speaker 5: Yeah, you're spot on. I mean, North Dakota is probably going to see a little influx if a lot of folks in these same shoes as this fella. But I don't know, think of the positives. Like you said, it is what it is. So opening day won't be as chaotic, right that next week might be that much easier and you might find just as many birds, especially if you've done your homework and you got places to hunt. 01:08:52 Speaker 2: There could be like some minor economic impacts to small towns out in eastern Montana that you know, may not get you know, people coming into the restaurants or the campgrounds or what are as many you know, I will say that the pheasant opener coincides with the antelope opener, So you know, I don't know how much of an impact it's going to have a. 01:09:14 Speaker 5: Busy weekend randal, you got nothing there? 01:09:18 Speaker 4: Oh, I just. 01:09:20 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's kind of baked into the system, and uh, you know, obviously, like there's no perfect balance. 01:09:31 Speaker 4: I don't know what that would look like. 01:09:33 Speaker 6: If you know, I'm sure there's somebody who lives in a state with real bad hunting and fishing, although I think there's you can always find like everywhere has something to offer. But if everybody could buy a resident license in Montana, that wouldn't work, right, And we can't shut out and on a residence completely, Like I wouldn't want to do that, but you're always going to have to find some middle ground between those two extremes. 01:09:57 Speaker 2: And so. 01:10:00 Speaker 4: It's true. The overall trend. 01:10:04 Speaker 6: Is that non resident opportunities are declining across the West, and yeah, like I'm affected by that as well, like states where I have bonus points and preference points that are limiting the percentage of non resident tags. You know, it's hurting me as well. So I don't know what the perfect situation looks like. I think we'd all like to turn back the clock to the glory days of the whatever, the seventies, eighties, nineties, when it seemed like you could, if you had the money, you could travel across the West and get tags and hunt as much as you wanted. But the reality is it's a finite resource, and so we're left with this unfortunate balancing act that, as you point out, it sort of structurally is tipped in the favor of residents pretty extremely. 01:10:54 Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't know. And it's not just a Western issue. I get in a white tail tag in Iowa and you'll know what I'm talking about. It's not easy. 01:11:06 Speaker 1: All right, There you go. Good one. 01:11:08 Speaker 2: Sorry, Sorry to the guy from from BC. I hope you have a good hunt in North Dakota. All right, Next one? Where is it? This one's kind of long. I'm and try and shorten it as much as I can. I would really like to get your opinion to help settle a bit of neighborhood edit etiquette question involving three white tail carcasses and my neighbors love of their dogs. I live on the outskirts of town in a development consists about fifteen homes that sit on four to five acre parcels that are a mixture of yard woods in prairie. I have three acres of woods that are between my house and the county road. I have good relationships with all my neighbors, most of which have a dog or two that can run relatively free. Last year, our group shot three deer and we processed them at my place. I had three carcasses had to dispose of. I thought nothing of it and put them out of sight from the road out in the middle of his woods. You know, it says it's cold here, so there wouldn't be any concern over smell, and by springtime all that would be left was a few bones. My first mistake is he didn't do this over the cover of darkness. I don't know about that if that was his first mistake. One of the neighbors saw me dragging carcass into the woods, and within a day I had multiple people questioning me. They're a little irritated about the carcasses and the dogs getting into them, and the possibility that he was attracting predators to the area. He brushed off those concerns, but he did find it humorous when he saw a dog from three doors down walking up the road a month later with a deer leg in his mouth. Anyway, he's now wondering, what's your take? What should what should you do? Find somewhere else to dump them, wait till dark and sneak in there. You know, this isn't a huge problem necessarily, it's your property and you can do what you want. But I'm gonna play devil's advocate here. Your neighbors do have a point, and I'd rather have happy neighbors like uh, you know, it's not too hard to throw deer bones, like a whole dear bone boned out carcass into a trash can I do it all the time, and if coyotes do come in, they will mess up a dog or two. There's nothing illegal about what you're doing doing more than likely, but there possibly could be, and you should consider disposing of those carcasses properly, not only because of the dogs, because of c w D concerns. I don't know if you're getting your deer tested or not, but Dumping carcasses is a good way to spread CWD around. So whatever you do, don't go dump them out on public land somewhere. That's like, that's the main thing. Put them in the trash is the is the best thing. I would say. I don't know if you guys feel like I'm being a little hard on this guy, but no, that's a honest true. I mean, Steve throws deer carcasses on the roof of his Yeah, it's on the roof. 01:14:27 Speaker 7: At least if you don't want your neighbor, if you don't want your dog eating deer, that's on the neighbors, don't let them go in the neighbors true, right, Like your dog's probably wouldn't be going. Like if my dog goes over in the neighbor's yard, I say, hey, yep, get over here. 01:14:44 Speaker 6: I don't know I agree with I mean, if if the carcasses on his property, uh, sounds like your neighbor needs a fence. 01:14:52 Speaker 1: Yeah, and. 01:14:54 Speaker 2: Like nobody can. It's like it's like everyone agrees that it's cool that the dog's growing around. I don't think he's saying these dogs are a problem. 01:15:03 Speaker 6: Well, I know, but like if you're the type of person that doesn't want your dog getting into stuff and you got an issue. 01:15:09 Speaker 1: With right, yeah, keep your dog on your property. 01:15:12 Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean I don't know. 01:15:15 Speaker 7: I don't think the neighbors are helping that guy pay his property taxes, so they don't really have to say. 01:15:20 Speaker 6: Let me add another hot tip. This isn't really pertinent, but along the lines of the brass, don't be the guy that drives to a trailhead and dumps like four why tail carcasses three feet off the gravel in the bushes. That's that's where I have an issue with people like just being sloppy public land stewards. You know, as far as I'm concerned, if you want to leave your carcasses in your in your woods, in your living room, whatever. 01:15:53 Speaker 2: No, like, like I said, I'm cool with it. But if you want, if it's like, if you're weighing how important it is to like not have a beef with your neighbors, you know, yeah, you can throw those carcasses, Oh sure, Yeah. 01:16:08 Speaker 6: And plenty of people do that who don't have access to woods where they let them think. 01:16:14 Speaker 1: You know, yea all the time. 01:16:17 Speaker 2: All right, set this one's I'll let you hit this one. First, I don't mean this in any sort of critical, judgmental, or confrontational way. I'm just curious about your thoughts on meat from fur bearing animals recently. I don't know how recent this is. It's talking about part of my plate muskrats, which he's just catching up. I guess anyway, it still applies. Steve says he's trapped perhaps a thousand muskrats but only eating twenty. That got me wondering, do you find that hypocritical? Since we're always championing want and waste laws and maximizing the use from the meat? What do trappers do with all the meat if they're not eating dog food? Would it also be okay? I'm not sure where he's going with this part. Would it also be okay if someone turned a whole white tail into dog food? Like, let's not even worry about that yet, Let's stick with the trap and thing. I just think it's an interesting question. I don't mean it to be condemning. It doesn't bother me. In fact, i'd really like to get into trapping myself. I just haven't made the effort. But I'm interested in how you deal with that potential conflict. 01:17:27 Speaker 7: I mean, some things are good to eat, like beaver muskrats, but yeah, we ate. We ate bobcat down Texas a couple of weeks ago. But if it was like as far as like want waste laws, if states required you to eat coyotes, no one would trap or kill kyo. 01:17:46 Speaker 2: Yeah, there is no want waste law for many furthering. 01:17:49 Speaker 1: Species, and if there is, it's just like you have to harvest the firs. 01:17:52 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't. I think it's okay to have a resource that you're using, that's using for fur and it's not it's it's okay that you're not using the I know we harp on that all the time, the meat thing. But like, look, man, like it's okay to go trap a fox or a skunk or like whatever fur bear and not eat it. You know, you shouldn't have to feel bad about that. 01:18:21 Speaker 7: Yeah, but if you know, if you want to try some bobcat backstraps, yeah, let's get weird raccoon. 01:18:30 Speaker 2: We've got raccoon rest. So, like there is opportunity for to eat some of these things, for sure, but I don't think you should necessarily feel obligated to do so. 01:18:40 Speaker 7: Yeah, it's like shooting a what is it the fall bears in Alaska? You're not required to because it just taste terrible. 01:18:48 Speaker 2: Yep, yep, all right, last one. I threw a venison shank into my instant pot last weekend. Everything was great except the last meal. One of the last bites, I ended up finding a mushroomed bullet. I initially thought it was a chunk of bone. My question I tried asking Google and couldn't seem to word it right to get the answer I was looking for was did that instant pot just make a lead based broth that I consumed entirely by myself? And should I be concerned? I can't say I know the science behind pressure cooking meat and lead bullets together. No, you do not have to worry about it. Otherwise, like people who shoot all kinds of small game and birds would die of lead poisoning. Like we're picking lead out of meat that we've cooked all the time. Humans can't absorb led through their solid lead through their digestive system. Lead poisoning is like from inhaling dust particles from old lead based paint and things like that. Now, if you cooked it past like six hundred degrees then you'd be in trouble because that lead would melt. 01:20:01 Speaker 4: I'd rather find that lead in the in the crockpot than in a turd, you know, just to be safe. 01:20:06 Speaker 2: Right right, But no, it's it's not gonna hurt you. Your your gut is not as strong as like an eagle or a condor where you're gonna break that lead down to the point where it's going to poison you. 01:20:18 Speaker 5: I gotta know what that shank looked like and who shot? 01:20:21 Speaker 2: I was just gonna sayroom bullet. Listen, it wasn't him. Give this guy credit. What's his name? 01:20:28 Speaker 1: Brian shot? 01:20:30 Speaker 2: But hold on, I shortened this thing for to make it shorter. 01:20:35 Speaker 5: Thank you. 01:20:37 Speaker 2: He that bullet was already in there. He just found it in there. Yeah. 01:20:42 Speaker 5: Well healed over and he couldn't tell huh. Interesting. Wow, Yeah, you never know what you're gonna bite into in there. 01:20:49 Speaker 2: That's it for the the Meat Eater correspondence inbox. 01:20:55 Speaker 1: Did Jill? 01:20:57 Speaker 2: Yeah, what's the chat saying? 01:20:59 Speaker 1: Chats trying to figure out a way to save the show starting underground letter campaigns. Oh good, So we'll see how that plays out for them to get an update on that. This is from popa medic bopa's for Seth two part question r on not two parts, but it's just long Seth. I'm trying to save some money by making my own predator bait for trapping. I'm using a commercial bait solution with sodium benzon eate. I don't have any beaver meat at the moment, but I do have two frozen bobcats. Should I use the bobcat meat or wait until I have a beaver targeting coyotes? Primarily coyotes if you're a West Coast child? How also? How tainted? Thanks? 01:21:37 Speaker 2: I think a lot of. 01:21:40 Speaker 7: Bait and lore makers would say that bobcat's better than beaver meat, right. I know Steve right now has a jar of bobcat meat in his garage. That's he's tainting for bait for But he'd be good with either one, right, Yeah, go with you the one. But I do think I've never made bait before, but I think people prefer bobcat meat over anything. 01:22:06 Speaker 1: Why so use the bobcat? 01:22:08 Speaker 2: Try it after we just told you you should be eating it. 01:22:12 Speaker 1: Let us know before March fifth how it went for Mogor question for Randall and these remaining few five radio live episodes. Will there be a Butcher's Crossing review or should we no longer expect it? Thank you so much, a lot of pressure, Mogor, you gotta do it for. 01:22:33 Speaker 4: Is that your number one choice? Could we ask Mogor in the chat if that's his number one choice? 01:22:37 Speaker 1: You can get a top three from Mogor. 01:22:39 Speaker 6: Yeah, if I could get a top three. The issue is Mogor, we have a limited number of shows. I will only be on a few of them because I have a bit of travel coming up in the month of February, and at this point, knowing that I only have a set number of movie clubs, I'm really thinking about opening up the catalog of films i'd like to I'm entertaining the idea of Jurassic Park, Congo, any sort of Michael Crichton based wildlife centric film. 01:23:15 Speaker 4: I want to get loose with it. 01:23:16 Speaker 6: I feel like we have this platform that we can now use to just transgress all boundaries of good taste and judgment. 01:23:24 Speaker 2: The rules have been thrown out the windows. Yeah, maybe deliberate, free to do whatever. 01:23:28 Speaker 6: Maybe maybe we do do the Deliverance movie club. But yeah, if you have if you have strong thoughts, mogor. I would like to uh, I would like to throw you a bone, So tell me your number one movie? 01:23:39 Speaker 1: Will do it? Cool? Let us know from Brian Lammers. It's also a loyal, loyal live watcher Cal. 01:23:49 Speaker 2: Who update on Cow? Has the crew been in contact? Was this Cow guy? 01:23:55 Speaker 1: I've forgotten. I tried to and I don't remember who that is. 01:24:00 Speaker 2: I tried texting Cal yesterday about the pheasant thing we were talking about earlier. Still haven't heard from him. 01:24:09 Speaker 1: Yeah, I heard. He's been real busy. 01:24:11 Speaker 6: He had time for a couple of beers on Friday. Oh and he texted me over the weekend to ask me to plug his trailer in so that the batteries weren't damaged by the cold. He just wanted to maintain his batteries. He has time for an occasional long phone call. I don't know if people out there know this, but when you get a phone call from Cal, it typically goes until it has to be you have to hang up because someone needs to do something else. It's sort of an open ended conversation. He might have another conversation with someone in the room with him as you're on the phone with him. He's gotten a couple of those. He seems to be doing well, but very obviously there's a lot going on, so it was very stressed. And but yeah he is still fighting time to wet the whistle every now and then. 01:25:06 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I would say, if you haven't listened to Cal's Week in Review in these last oh yeah, six seven years that it's been running, now is a good time to do it because it's a whole new perspective. He's got a he's got a very different job than he used to have, and he talks about it at the top of the show every week. The stuff he's doing, where he's going, I would I would recommend it. 01:25:26 Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm still hoping I can get him to come over for STU this week. Got a lot of stew need some mouths. 01:25:32 Speaker 2: No, I want to do a couple more because I don't know if I'm going to be hosting this thing before the end. You really okay? 01:25:39 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, there haven't been a lot of direct questions that usually gets. People are mostly talking about the show ending, which. 01:25:44 Speaker 2: Is I mean, Randall hijack the whole show. You know what's funny. 01:25:48 Speaker 4: I didn't even think about this. 01:25:49 Speaker 6: I got a d M yesterday that said, can you just go f off and not be on every podcast? 01:25:56 Speaker 1: Let it out? 01:25:56 Speaker 4: I feel the same way you love yourself. 01:26:01 Speaker 1: We get it. 01:26:01 Speaker 6: It's too much or something along those lines. And it hadn't occurred to me that now. 01:26:05 Speaker 2: I didn't check who sent that to you. 01:26:07 Speaker 4: Did I've just showed up to a podcast that I'm not even supposed to be on. So maybe that guy is a point. 01:26:13 Speaker 1: That is my burner Instagram first through the door at like ten with two bags of chips and a diet coke. 01:26:22 Speaker 6: It's not because I love myself, It's because I love you guys. If I wasn't here, i'd be up sitting in my office alone staring at books. 01:26:30 Speaker 4: I can come in here and. 01:26:31 Speaker 1: I'm going to show. But it's making me more excited for the big blowout used firearms. 01:26:35 Speaker 6: The blowout spectacular is gonna Oh god, I'm so excited. 01:26:39 Speaker 1: One more Phil Okay, come on, man, guys, get the questions. The first one I see that catches my eye gets red. 01:26:48 Speaker 5: Mmm. 01:26:49 Speaker 1: You guys have many plans this weekend. 01:26:50 Speaker 5: We have a lot of exclamation points. 01:26:53 Speaker 4: Somebody said good taste and judgment. 01:26:55 Speaker 1: Where is Randall getting his haircut on Radio Life. 01:26:57 Speaker 2: It sounds like a great. 01:27:00 Speaker 6: We should do that for the grand blowout spectacular clippers at home. 01:27:05 Speaker 4: No, no, we're not cutting it that much. 01:27:06 Speaker 7: Oh you know we should do is have ten people involved in each each person gets like thirty seconds. 01:27:12 Speaker 4: Oh oh on my hair. 01:27:14 Speaker 2: Your hair, We could put your hair in the auction House of Oddities. 01:27:18 Speaker 1: We should do that. 01:27:19 Speaker 5: Donate that hair. 01:27:19 Speaker 2: At this point, like I said, things are just falling apart here. 01:27:24 Speaker 4: Brody closed his computer already. 01:27:26 Speaker 2: Yeah all right, that's all we got for you today, guys. Thanks for joining. Tune in next week. 01:27:33 Speaker 4: We love you guys. 01:27:34 Speaker 6: The Radio Live going away is not in any way a reflection on our love for the crowd here. 01:27:39 Speaker 4: So see you next week. 01:27:41 Speaker 1: Have a great week. Bye. Should I play the outro? 01:27:47 Speaker 3: Fill? 01:27:47 Speaker 4: You're usually so timely? 01:27:49 Speaker 1: I know, I'm just thinking about I just don't want the show to hit