00:00:08 Speaker 1: This is the me Eat podcast coming at you shirtless, severely bug bitten, and in my case, underwear listening Hunt E podcast. You can't predict anything presented by first, like creating proven versatile hunting apparel from Marino bass layers to technical outerwear for every hunt. First like go farther, stay longer, everybody. You're joining us from the banks of the Niobrara River, right, that's right near its confluence with the aptly named do Your Creek. Yes, it does flow into it, not far from a bridge where none other than Buffalo Bill Buffalo Bill Cody was probably photographed. Is he the same as wild Bill? No? No, that's Hiccock right, wild Bill Hiccock. What was wild Bill Hiccock colden when he died the dead Man's hand yep, Yeah, But what was it? And what was the fifth card? I do not know that one. Some historians argue he had a seven of Hearts or something like that. Not a cool card. I thought it was a full house. The interesting thing about the Nile Brier River where we're sitting right now is if we looked out the window and saw one, it would be on the wrong side of the river forest. It'd have to run through the yard to jump that river to be in our hunt zone. And we're actively hunting right now, taking a break. We are keep this tight. We got unfinished business. The last evening of our hunt, Clay got a deer first, too quick, a little too quick. It feels bad. But he's got survivor's guilt. I really, he's got a conversion of survivor's guilt. And he's writing a song called should have been Me? Why isn't it the Why would it be that? Um? I think the song should be it should have been Steve? Well, what should have been you? Well, it's actually favorable to you because as we're so the way this farm sets up, Steve has been off hunting, and because I've filled my buck tag and we can't come back to that, and we have been like a mile and a half away on a hilltop, watching you hunt and watching deer and watching what's going on. And just a phrase that comes out of my mouth to Dirt is it should have been me down there on the battlefield. It should have been you. It should have been you. It should have been you up here taking it easy. Me and Dirt having the time of our life, just drinking coffee, writing songs, just living in the glory of a filled buck tag because because this but I feel like the buck was rightfully yours because on the first morning, Jordan took you to the honey hoole and she put me in, you know, honey Hoole number two. Okay, you feel that that's what happened, yea. And here's why I don't think that's what happened, because she also goes and hunts that spot. Oh, I just killed. It's not like she's like she I feel it's like a toss up. Well no, and she rightfully should have took you there. I mean, it's like there's always I know, honey, there's always the best spot, okay, And she took you to the best spot, and y'all saw a buck that morning. And then that afternoon we had a guest come into the camp and there was some decisions made, and you wanted to go for a walk in the guests best interest. Yeah, I know. And that's why it should have been me. That's why you got Survivor's guild. Yeah. And so they sent so Jordan's sent me back to where she was gonna where he was gonna sit and I mean, like clockwork, this really nice ten point buck came out, incredible, hunt deer came in, killed the deer. So I mean I'm calling I called the buck Steve's buck. That's a good name for it. Steve for short, and then Steve and then Steve's. You know, we've we've struggled. We just hadn't killed a deer yet. So that's all joined also by Chester. Chester's here. Chester's learning. Uh, he's learning a new song. Tell everybody what song you gonna learn from me? Eat Chester? It is tonight we ride, you know, and you're gonna put put put. Uh, He's gonna put the who you up a song on? On? Hold? Yep, that's a Tom Russell song. Oh, I's just tell him Clay about Tom Russell Man. Violent songs, definitely violent dirts here and then Who's always say, uh, okay, it is a handful things, oh dirt right off the bat. We gotta talk about w D forty. So listen, that's a great story. Get your thing out, Get your thing out. I don't know what you're talking about. We're sitting there up at uh my new mechanic, my new outboard motor mechanic, and catch can Alaska. Tyler that catch Cancanda advised us too, when you win a rising, your motors, when you're a rising, your engines to take the cowling off and hose everything in there with w D forty. Okay, yep. So Dirt was doing a little winter rizing and I instructed him to do this. He came to me and and and I I tried to to to please him with some trivia in which I asked if he knows about the w D N w D forty stands for and I didn't, but you you didn't, and I said, He said water displacement. Then Dirt said w D at least Dirts like, well, I'll give you a little known fact. He's like, you're not the only one who knows little known facts. Dirt says, W four. He is not actually a lubricant, just a water repellent. It's just a water repellent, to which I said, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. And as an example, I said, Dirt, imagine you have a rusty hinge and you put it in a kiln for a decade no moisture, so it's is dry for nine years and three hundred and sixty four and a half days, it's been as dry as could possibly be dry, and you pull the hinge out and hose it down with w D. Dirt is saying that it won't make a difference. That caused me some pause, because that would work so well. This is the thing I find useful Dirt is I like to think when I'm trying to think of something right or wrong or whatever, I think of it in total extremes. It's helpful. Yeah, that's good Dirt. Then it's on his mind. A few days goes by and he comes up to me to prove his point, and he has a screenshot of an article he found online, very gloatingly, which said he's all proud of it. He's all proud of it, and it says w D forty is not a lubricant in bold letters. And what he hadn't noticed them is he was on a site of myths, and he hadn't notice that the sentence he was pointing out to me was preceded by the word myth, which Clay realized that since Dirt's name is dirt myth, Clay thought Clay thinks that Dirt thought it was his own quote because it says myth col and dirts like see here right here is me saying he smartphones man. Or it was saying, um, hey, Durt myth. This yeah, it was like smith. It would have been like play and then it told me something really good. So just yeah, it's confusing when your name is dirt myth. But the bottom of the fact of the matter is it is just so folks don't get confused. It is lubricant because they read great risk of being confused and dig into it was only a water repellent. It's also great for removing stickers. Oh really from Chester's desk or something. If you want to remove a sticker, use w D on your car, on your windows, what your computer? Why would I want to remove a sticker? I love my dad. That the buff I mean if you had someone take off there. I don't want to be responsible for like ruining people's computers. But you know I've used it on windows and glass cars. Chester's onto his ninth nickname in a month. It's all set chat, all set chat, set chat, all set chet. Oh here's the thing. Uh so Thanksgivings coming, and as we all know, Thanksgiving is only there for one purpose to give us a Black Friday. Right, So Black Friday so day after Thanksgiving, and it's not It's become like a day where everybody likes to buy a bunch of stuff. So if you go on now the very hot highest selling fuds calendar, if you go onto the Meat Eater store and make a purchase on Black Friday, We're gonna give you the left up old deer stands calendar for free. Oh we got some good ones lately. One is one that beavers cut down to cut down the stand, and another one is a tree that got struck by lightning and the lightning peels all the bark off down the tree and ends at the seat. Yeah, you'd have been a dead man. And it kind of welded the stand up a little bit. I'm gonna put that on Instagram. Do you think that the lightning used to stand as a conductor. I think it was something like that, and I think it probably went the other way. But if you look at it looks like this like bolt because it like speeled the bark off and it sort of ends at the stand, So almost rather than being what it was stand got struck and then went up the tree, it looks like it's somehow like came down the tree and split the would be hunter's head and half had you been sitting there? Uh so your left up old deer stands calendar free um and also this new rifle sculpts. We got uh hundred bucks off Vortex diamondback three by five to ten by fifty so the perfect all purpose rifle scope. Got it from bucks Off plus has t shirts, hoodies all fifty off. And then we're bundling our very rare meat crafty knife with some of our books. Go check that stuff out. Okay, Clay, ready for this thing out of Vermont. See people think that everyone Veront just sits around eating Ben and Jerry's all the time, but it's not. They fight. I didn't know about this Vermont. I feel like I'm the only guy in the planet didn't know about what's brewing in Vermont between the hound hunters and the non hunt honors. Right here, this is the funny part here. I know about this only because a listener of this show wrote in saying that we should take the gold Shaw what's the guy's thing Shaw gold gold Shaw Farm. I don't know. Come on, Clay, sorry man, I told you, like a week ago, we're gonna be talking about this gold Shaw farm. He wrote in being like, man, you should really have a solidarity with the gold Shaw Farm guy because it's making Houners look bad. And I was like, oh, what what's this now? This guy's this guy is so online, so online. There's a there's what we're gonna talk about here for a minute. We got a story that that we had a story on a week's like three weeks ago, Spencer had a someone do a story on it for at the Mediator dot com and go read the story about this hound hunting scandal, bear hunting scandal. Let me give you a basic and this is the best I understand. I've aready heard of. This guy. God bless him. Uh you can't see him has an extraordinary uh some similarity to jay Leno, like if jay Leno had a kid. He apparently he uh grew up a city slicker working various jobs and and then he's like, I'm gonna go to Vermont have a farm. So, in the great tradition of people who give up the urban lifestyle to go have a farm, he starts a YouTube channel um and makes video Here's some of his videos. He's got a video called Puppy Versus Geese. He's got a video called my farm dog shot this video. He's got one called the Duckling who thought she was a goose. He's got livestock guard puppy moves to duck farm. My old barn cat hates my guard dog, and I risked my life feeding these goslings. Uh. So he goes about his business. It's like his business like he makes I think in all fairings, you say he makes like cute, cute farm videos. One day, a couple of local old timers show up at his door, knock on his door, and they say, are bear hounds. Chase the bear onto your property? Is it okay? If we go onto your property? He says, to retrieve their get the doc. He says, you're no way, no how, I'm going to hurt the bear, which is his right, totally his right, okay. And he says, I will escort you to get your dogs, at which point he decides, because he's in the business of making these little videos. At this point he decides to start filming. This gentleman, gets his name, publishes his name, and films the guy. So a guy comes up to the house, like like, imagine someone coming to your house to just have a conversation about a problem, and your response is to start filming them as they go about their business. And is this a good place to to say that the guy, what the guy's motives were, and how are you getting all that next? It's a hard story to tell. He's got so many components. Vermont has a law which I don't know. I'm not even a post. It's called right to retrieve. They have a law that's beyond that. If land's not posted, it's open. A landowner has an obligation to post their land. Okay, this guy's land, this guy's duck farm isn't properly posted. So the technically the hound hunter didn't need to come talk to him. He could have just gone and got his dog, could have gone and gotten his dogs without breaking a law because land wasn't properly posted. But he doesn't want to do that because it's not gentlemanly. He's gonna go like a grown up and talk to the landowner. That guy's got good etiquette, good great chetot the downs check a story. So the duck guy is real bent out of shape about this because he points out. He's like, it would be too hard. I think he's got a hundred sixty acres. It would be too hard to post my land properly. But I'm like, if if you're make a YouTube video about it, if you you gonna have a video like me and my dog post my land, it's good marketing. Yeah. And then he'd had to be careful though, because while he's posting the land with his dog, he needs to be very careful that his dog doesn't walk on the wrong side of a tree, at which point he'd be guilty too of having his dog on someone else's property. But let's just trust that his dog has always had tremendous fidelity to this hundred sixty acres, never went off the hundred sixty acres. He says, Uh, the problem is dogs don't know when they're on private property. Ergo that's Latin. Therefore, ergo you should not be able to hunt with hounds in the state of her mind and has now gotten hundreds of thousands of signatures on some petition to ban hound hunting in Vermont because he's so concerned that a dog would come on his land. Icky dog on his land, I mean come on it's wild. What's also so puzzling about it is this whole thing of like I moved to the country to be like a country person, but I sure hate what these country people were up to, right, Yeah, you know that's that's the thing is that And you've heard you've heard the phrase that people left where they came from because they didn't like it and try to make it like where they came from when they move to where you are. You know. But what I was talking about the right to retrieve. There are some states that have how honey laws to have a right to retrieve law because these are tree dogs. So a tree dog scent trails game until that animal runs up a tree that could be a raccoon, that could be a bear other And and the right to retreat means if your dogs are treat you have the right to You can't take a firearm, but you have the right to cross get your dogs. And you know, here here's the thing that is. Yeah, that's a slight be slightly intrusive to some people's ideas of private property, But when you look at the broad macro picture of North American hunting and even human existence on planet Earth, people's connection to hunting dogs. I'm getting to the point where I'm saying that it is a it is a legitimate argument that it is almost a human right to express part of our humanity by hunting with dogs. I mean, there's arguments that put that unchanged that organ be in Jordan's they were talking about how come everything unchanged that organ is annoying, not anoying, and change that organ and make that like a thing that's unchanged that way. Well, so just the so here's all that I'm saying is that people should make a place in their world where it's okay for a houndsman to go get his dogs if your dogs get on your land. In Arkansas, the old time farmers that have long history in our region in the Ozarks, they just kind of know that coon hunters might come on their land at different times during the winter. That's part of his thing that he's all been out of shape about. This is like the guy that came to his door to go get his dogs and on his property was the last straw. The first straw being a night some raccoon guys had some dogs barking on his place, and he got his dog to barking and that is just unacceptable when you're a real farmer. That it's just a bridge too far. The other thing, he's like, I you know, he's like, oh, I'm not against hunting. Come on, I hope he comes on the show. This is an honest thing. I know someone will send this is he'll someone will send us to him. I would love to have him on the show and tell me where I'm getting this wrong. I mean a totally friendly way, like I won't be like I got you deal, It'll just be like I'd be like, Okay, tell me the story just so I understand it better, like what like what happened? Because he also gets into like he's not opposed to hunting, he's not opposed to using bird dogs, but somehow he doesn't like hound hunting because the hounds have a tracking collar and you're not close to them, and so he kind of turns into like a fair chase thing for him as well. But I mean, aren't his ducks are in a pen? What are their odds of getting away? Do a lot of them get away? You know, people people use people use the GPS thing as a way to talk about fair chase with hounds, and I think it's I think it's bunk because we use technology and every other part of our life and even in every other part of hunting to make the process safer, more efficient, easier, more educational. Point out, because you're gonna go after you're not You're not gonna go after trail camps. You're gonna make it. I don't even have to go there. But I'm just saying no, no, no, no, no, don't no, don't let me start to make the point well, which I was just getting excited. I was getting excited about your point. I could I could give a thousand reasons why GPS collars on doll dogs make it less likely that you're gonna lose your dogs less so it's good for the dog. It's safer for the dog. And he cares a lot about dogs because he's got a lot of stuff about his dog on his thing, so I would think he'd want these dogs to make it home to cuddle at night. If he cares about his dogs, he will put a GPS call. Doesn't care about dogs, so they won't cross the highway. I can tone my dogs back off of private land. My dog's tree on another piece of property, I can tone and tone doesn't mean shock them. Tone means just beat their collar and they will come back to me. A lot of really, a lot of houndsmen have that capacity of their dogs to long range. Give commands to their dogs that will cause him to come back. Um. So this whole idea that you know, GPS makes it not fair, Chase is not is not Okay. I got another point about this whole thing that the hopefully we can have this guy in the show, we can ask them about not too long ago, my kids were out shooting their bowls in the yard and they're not they're not above just letting one flying out and then to see what happened. Well he I don't know. He had a whole thing about what happened, but long and short of it is, they launched the one and stuck it into the neighbor's garage. Okay, out of stickboat. He didn't want to do this, but I said, you're gonna go over and you're gonna knock on that man's door. And I know the guy, he's an admirable guy. I'm like, you're gonna knock on his door, You're gonna tell him, you gotta tell him something, and you're gonna take him and show him the arrow in the garage. And I knew already know the guy, so I know the guy is not he's cool and he's gonna be like he's gonna deep down think it's funny. But like so I'm not sending him into dany like if I had any question, I wouldn't have done it. But I you know what I mean, I know how it'll be. I know how it'll go, and it'll be a good lesson for him to go and fess up in his body. My kid's buddy already took off crying. Woman like the woman. My kids are out there and his buddy's crying, and his buddy rides off on his bike. I mean, what happened? And Jimmy's like, and you're going over there right now, friend or no friend? Okay? Imagine that that that he'd gone over to knock on the door, and the guy that answered the door answers with a cell phone and shames Jimmy and records him and then records him going around to show the arrow, records him apologizing, and then goes and post it to YouTube and says, this is a boy named Jimmy and here's roughly where he lives. Here's how to find him. He's a danger with his arrows, complete disregard for human safety. And it made my dog bark. No one would do that to a person. Yeah, it's a war on Christmas. It's like, I'm gonna get all round up about it. But just like it just burns me. Man, Well then what the neighbor do? Though, when Jimmy confessed, just what I thought, So he thought it was funny. But okay, I just don't shoot the ground anymore, like I said, it wasn't like let me let me say something about So there's this thing that there's a trend that happens with social media and with where there's these isolated incidents that make and it's a lot of times hound hunting look really bad in the public eye. And and so this guy got on there and started this petition to band hound hunting Vermont. It's got a ton, it's got a ton of traction of attraction. And but what's oh yeah, and I guess is like social media following Now, it's like social media failing like explodes, like explodes. It's a it's a it's a one stop sell to tell someone that has no history with hunting, no history with hounds, no history with rural life. It the one step cell to say these hillbillies out there are using dogs to hunt bears. That equals bad because they got radio collars like sophisticated hillbillies, which is the worst. It's a much harder cell to take someone with no historical understanding of why would someone use a dog to hunt a bear? They have. It's it's a it's a five or ten steps cell for me to say, you know, to talk about the historical um the historical aspects of humans hunting with dogs and the and I bet if you went and interviewed this houndsman, I bet money that he's got family history of his family using dogs in Vermont for years from there or wherever he's from. But he's just it's a harder cell to make someone even begin to understand bear hunting with hounds, because does he think, does he think, like, you know, like should the Cherokee not hunt with like the Cherokee hunter bears a dog? For sure? They not be doing that? Is that naughty if they put a collar on it because they want it back at night? Yeah, Yeah, here's a good story. You get more to say about that, Clay. I'm good. That's a little sophisticated for the book of Chetakeo. Yeah, you could probably put some kind of short in there, like a little bar. The book of Chedaka could have a little sidebars, a little things that happened. That would be great etiquette. Great etiquette would be if you live in a place where they use hunting dogs. If you see a hunting dog, what do you do? Say hi to it? If you if dogs are on your land, Yeah, and typically you don't want to do anything to them. If they have if they have a tracking collar, and the dog looks in good health, just don't mess with it. Mm hmm. I mean if the dog. Yeah, if the dog, somebody knows exactly where that dog is in there trying to get it back, if it's in some place it's not supposed to be. If the gentleman, if the farmer guy at the dark farmer gold Shaw farm, we will fly you out. We will put you in a hotel, full treatment. Did we give our special do we give special guests? Hey, it's a nice package. Mr Goldshaw up in a hotel. Come on the podcast, tell the story and maybe I'll be like, yeah, you're right, that's a good point. I don't remember, did you What about the houseman. We're not inviting the houseman. I can't have both ought at once. I mean, we already interviewed him for the We already interviewed Judge Judy. We'll set and we'll set it up like a car. And this guy, I'm not I'm all for his story because we already interviewed the houndsman. Yeah, we know what he did. I'm just saying he the housemand thought he was up stay and he thought he was He's the it's everything like, he's the head of the local Hundsman's Association, and the the farm guy acted condescending about the existence of days. Yes, there actually is a thing like that's naughty. It's ignorance. That's the story of ignorance. He's a part of the Duck Farmers Association, and yes there is a thing like Ope, he comes up. I'll be way ass nicer, super nice. Do you guys listen to the show when you're not here? Where are you on the show? When we talked about the alligator that had the projectile points in his stomach, which is the craziest thing in the world. But I was somewhere when I heard that story. Well, I don't know if his Prince of Wales or on this trip. Just recently, a guy found h alligator's parents. I don't know this thing he knows all about. Apparently alligators eat rocks okay for their digestion or there something that there's even a term for the rock. He was a guy found alligator and alligator had full on one or two projectile points in his stomach, like ancient stone projectile points. That's interesting. Eating junk on the bottom of the swamp. Well, here's a weird deal. And there's even a picture of it. A fishing guide from montalk rode In he had a client in the early two thousand tents he took a client cod fishing. One of the clients was Joe Lean l e I n Line Lean Joe Lene, Joe Lee. That's all I would do when he was around. That's his first and last name, Joan Joe Joe Lean l e I n. Unfortunately, dude, he's gotta be so sick of that joke. Man. Uh, this guy was really cool that the guy like joelne a lot, because um, he's a client to like to clean everybody's fish just to save work for the god. He's cleaning one of the cod and find something weird in his stomach and it's like he a cod with a big gold nugget in its stomach. Wow, someone dropped it. I don't know, like a rugged looking gold nugget about half the size of the z on a court size zip block bag. That's an interesting descriptor well, it's because it's in a ziplock bagsture in the picture. Oh okay, dang wow. So are we going to the question of whose gold nugget is it? Us? There's yeah, well there's whose gold sure? I mean, is the guy that founded the guy that caught the fish? I would say that it's definitely the guy that caught the fish. I would say, is the guy who claimed it he's doing and the guy who checked his stomach. It's not a lot of people. Let's say you meet, you're out fishing. We've done that, and you catch catch your big halbert and we opened it up and it's got a million dollars in it. But I'm the one that splits its stomach open. You've caught it. I slit his stomach open. But you're saying that that's not my million dollars. I think we'd split it, but that'd be generous this guy, this guy was putting in a lot of effort more than just the one fish, right, I bet you if it went to court, like to Judge Judy, the gold nugget would go to the fisherman. I think so because he owned it was his fish and legally, like think about illegally, had that fish been taken illegally, it would have been his responsibility and it's his legal property by like it's it was property to the state he caught it. It then transferred to like his legal property. That's why I think is to make a great Judge Judy type figure on the show. That'd be a good show. We should judge Stevie, dude, we should make a show. It's like just a matter if we can find enough people fighting about stuff. Yeah, it sounds like we may we may need to take this off of the podcast, but this is a good podcast idea something about right now you and we just comb the world for people and fights about like whose buck is it? Like I hit it in the knee and then three days later my cousin got it hunting. I feel like it's my book hunting spots, Like you know, we're gonna get to one of those whom you should hunt here, kind of like when Jordan put me in and then and the Chatti book could be like the rule book that Steve would. Yeah, we can do the whole combo thing. Guess what they call that fishing spot now? Joe passed away just recently, the angler Joelene Joe Lene passed away. I guess they named that fishing spot Joey nuggets. That's the fish spot, dude. Nobody's tried to claim the gold nugget. I lost that. No, it's not a real descript No, it might be a hard sell. You lose the raw material. It's then back into the natural world. It's anybody now, my friend, I've seen a nugget. I've seen a nugget similar to that. And it was my friend uh Ron Layton, who was on this show years ago. His late wife Joan had a bunch of gold jewelry, not a bunch of small amount of gold jewelry. But their house burnt down and Ron went in there after the house burnt down and went over to where he figured the jewelry was and found a glob of congealed gold that the earrings and whatnot had all melted and came in just this like kind of amorphous blob of gold, and so Joan drilled a whole nat She wore that around her neck. M it was Oliver jewelry. That's interesting. Speaking of nuggets, guy rolling in, Um, how come people don't eat squirrel nuts squirrel oysters. I've never done that, and they're big enough for I mean, not a fox squirrel. Yeah, he's saying that, talks about how it seems like quite a little morsel, and he's wondering if we've ever eaten him, and I like, I have not neither. Uh. It takes a lot to make a You know, my wife's been shelling a lot of peas and beans, and it's amazing how many, how big of a pile of beans you gotta get a meal. That's a good point. I'm thinking about, like size of a bean. I will see the Rocky Mountain testicles. You gotta eat them fresh. I got a branding that you don't like them frozen. No. We went to that testy testical festival that all time, and they'd stockpile for the masses, you know, frozen. Yeah, because yeah, they weren't. They didn't have that. They had it in September. They didn't. It wasn't during Brandon season, and that was different experience from I always like those, though not the not the test of chicken fried and catch up. Jordan's all about chicken fryed. Yeah, they're good, fresh, but not stockpiled and frozen. And I'd imagine the same with the squirrels. Jordan, how can you never said anything about what your take is about the guy that the Because you're you're, you're you come from a long line of cattle ranchers, what's your take on that whole dog thing? The dog thing? Um, give me the landowner perspective, oh man, the land arm perspective. I think like you should have. I think you made the point you should have like a I want to say, a soft spot. But the guys just trying to go get his dogs, like he's not gonna trying to do anything crazy extra. I mean, I don't think he had any he didn't vous motives. Yeah, yeah, I mean that's kind of what I think. If yeah, I just I hate to return to it. But if the if the story had been did all of a sudden the dark guy, he's like, come oh oh back and runs back there and there's some guys skinning a bear on his property. Entirely different, different story, But then it'd come down to that posting thing. Either way, that's not We'll not rehash all that COVID making the news big time. We see. This is where I don't think the show gets enough credit because we've been talking about deer having COVID for months now. There's all this hooplah, people being like, you shouldn't go deer hunt, Beau, You're gonna get COVID from deer. I'm like, y'all don't know. As I can attest, you don't need to go deer hunt to get COVID. So they're like, this guy's like, I always like to eat deer tongues, but now I'm afraid I'm canna get COVID from eating the tongue. It's like, I don't know, man, I just you gotta cook it to us and fifty degrees and he kills it. So here's a quote from our article at the Mediator dot com. Here's a quote from it, The risk of why till deer transmitting the virus back to humans appears to be low. Although approven instance of dear to human transmission is yet to occur, the risk must be considered. Hunters should take precautions when handling harvests the deer in the field, particularly tissues. Not that it's boring. Um, you can wear a glove, you can wear a mask when you're it's just come on, mm hmm, right, you know, come on. The last thing on my mind. True zoonotic diseases. Though the idea that they're carrying the same disease to us is is kind of spooky because we all know that, like if chronic wasting ever transmitted to it would be major. That's why I'm a big proponent of doing everything we can to slow the spread of chronic wasting disease. Yeah, well, I'm just saying that. The here's what. I'm not a doctor. I don't know if you knew that. Just I just feel personally, I'm at a place and I'm not I'm not I'm not going out on a limb here because this is a I keep seeing editorials. I even saw an editorial in the New York Times basically to this point that there's a there will be a point at which we've done about everything we can do for covida. There's a vaccine. If you want to take it, take it. You don't want to take it, that's your call. But at a point we're just it. It'll be like the cold. I don't, I just I personally, I'm not. I don't know anything. I just I don't know what I read. I just read stuff and analyze it whatever. I just don't think the genie is going back in the bottle here now, c w D. That's different. Like I like catching COVID from a deer just seems I suppose already had it twice anyway, mm hmmis from deer hunts once. Yeah, dude, I'm a sucker for COVID if I get it unvaccinated, I got a vaccinated. If you had killed that deer, you might have got a COVID third time. But I killed it, so I skinned it. You feel I feel good, I feel strong. The worry, and this is a legitimate worry. The worry is that, um, the worry is that this narrative, that there will be this narrative about deer as dangerous or deer as you know, you know I'm I'm personally anti glove when it comes to skin and stuff. It's probably dumb, and I'm ready to I'm ready to change if someone gives me the correct, you know, a better perspective. But yeah, Spencer new Heart, he always sends me a picture of himself when he gets a deer wearing gloves, because I think it just kind of ultimately makes you weak. What if you're a great argument, What if you're allergic to the deer here, just weak, then you should be as funny sas Morris's not here because he's sick, so he's weak. He's in a weakened tradition, and Clay has revealed his total weakness set is allergic to the dander on deer, so he needs the word. Here's my take on gloves. As a guy that doesn't wear him. It recognizes that you probably should. I can picture a world in which you'd regret not having more in gloves, But I can't picture world in which you'd regret having warned them. This from a man who does not wear them. But that's the thing that's always in my mind. Yeah, I'll warr him if I have to skin um for some reason, skin in a fox or kyote makes him put gloves. Well, you know, remember Remy Remy Warren was dealing with the dead head, had been in the sun a couple of days. It was anti glove. Yeah, but gloves wouldn't any difference because he cut his hand and just bacterial infection. Though he didn't get something blood poison Can you get a disease? You got blood poisoning from an old deadhead? But for some reason did he start wearing gloves after that when he'd processed just put the fear into him. Yeah, that's what I mean. Here's an our dear disease. And this is the one seems to not have any implications for but but this is gonna Jordan, you'll be able to speak to this one. Um episodic hemorrhagic disease e h D, which a lot of people in in the hunting communities will say like blue tongue, which is like a form of or version of, but e h D. Um. If you feel like you've been hearing a lot about e h D lately, you have. They're pointing out that, uh, north northeastern Nebraska had bad h D this year, real bad h D this year. Uh, North Dakota had such an outbreak they're trying to buy back deer tags right now. Jordan lost one of her best bucks, probably to e h D. I think probably he was laying next to the water. They died by the creek. Wasn't shot. No, I mean we haven't found one since, but I just have an inkling. North Dakota is trying to buy back thirty thousand deer tags in the western part of the state. So e h D s is spread by a little gnat, like a little midge of some sort. And the reason they think it's popping up so bad right now, well, says e h D and blue tongue. I I need to like take five seconds at some point to understand the the differences if there are between h D and blue tongue. But it's spread from deer to do er by certain biting midges or gnats. There's smaller mosquitoes um and water plays into this because the midges are found near water and it gives the animal a horrible fever. So when there's an e h D outbreak, people find all the dead deer out on pond the edges of ponds in stock tanks in creeks along creeks, they just because they get a horrible fever and try to go cool off, and it kills them quick once it sets in. But the drought, uh is congregating deer at water, so it's it's able to jump more like you have you know, isolated water sources. A lot of deer congregating around isolated water sources, and so they're all getting infected more. And you have it. And the drought is driving work worse e H D outbreaks and when you get to e H the outbreak a bad one. It's not uncommon to carry off the deer's fatal if they get that thing. Yeah, yeah, And the incubation period is like five to seven days, and once they start getting the effects, it kills them within forty eight hours. Laid it off from me again. Uh, they said the incubation period could be anywhere. I think it said from five to seven days, the internet said, and then they start feeling ill and they're dead within forty eight hours. So I said, when you find them, they're they're not. They don't like shrivel up and die like they just die. And then the outbreak what what ends an outbreak is the onset of sub freezing temperature frost. Yeah, you get a frost killed the bugs. What's stopped to the hd um North Dakota second straight year that they've been buying back, trying to buy back tags. They the game and fished. Their department had one thousand reports of dead deer after e h D surface in late August. I always thought that h D hit harder on high water years because there's just more midges. That was my Yeah, And it seemed like when I was floating down the river, like the what are them? What's that? Those are turkeys? Rock for? It's really little short deer still in a blacktail mode. Turkey's coming down the creek anyways. Find out you have turkey hunts here, right, Jordan Turkey Yeah, spring Mary, I kind of want you to not book up that one year. I'll hold it here. They come right now, people here calling the turkeys. Yeah you can book Yeah, you can book a turkey hunt. You' booked out for next year, right, booked out for two. Yeah, so this upcoming spring, someone can still go to turkey hunt. No, I'm full full, but you have room, yes, go on dirt. Sorry, oh that's right, you were talking about Turkey's coming down here. Um, I was saying floating knock down the Yellowstone high water ears. Seems like you'd find mature bucks dead next to the water, more so high water ears. I should point out that this feller here the veterinarian for the North Dakota Game and Fish Wildlife. So they're veterinarian Charlie Barnson, not Charlie Bronson. Charlie Barnson. Isn't that that guy from I think of the right guy you're thinking of, Charles Bronson? That, yeah, not him. This is Charlie Bonson. He's just he's throwing it out there. He says, he's said one theory could be. So he's not acting like he's got it all figured out. He's just you know, making an educated, humble man making an educated point here that record breaking heat in October, so instead of record breaking cold, which would be killing all the midges, it's record breaking heat extended period of time. They can get it. And he feels that the drought, so record breaking heat in October created conditions favorable to midges and more viral spread. And the other thing about the low water is just the thing about concentration of because it's communicable, right. It's like the same way malaria spreads. Like malaria is the mosquito moves from one person to the next person. So a mosquito bites a person and mosquito bites another person. That's how malarias spread. That makes I have a lot more sense. I could see that being valid, Like there's more than just a low water high water year, because like the river and the creek never change, like those water levels never change year to year, So it has to be something else to go along with it, you know, attempts or yeah, I don't know, man, I uh, that would be an interesting conundrum to sell back your tag. You want to you want to be like a team player, and you know they're there, and imagine that you wait and wait and wait, you know, and they all sudden like, yeah, I'm going to the year man. And it's just to clarify their intent is to reduce harvest, not to e H D dear or not intend to reduce like that they issued tags like you know, ever, you're making an educated guess about. You know, you wait as long as you can. Your biologists are out there doing their surveys you're like looking at conditions and at some point you issue tags and you're like, Okay, it looks good, we're gonna go with ten thou And then what oct people are still buying the tags, right, You're like and then all of a sudden they're go seventent your deer. But you just you issued tags because you thought and so they're going to hit them pretty hard. And so then you're like, man, we gotta do something to try to rein it back. And you know, they put it to you voluntarily, like if you want, we'd like to buy your take back? Yeah, how to put little bonus on there? There's some lot of tags too, you think it should be a bonus. Well, I'm just saying. I mean like, if if you bought something for me from twenty bucks and you wanted it back and you're gonna pay me. If I sold you something for twenty bucks, you wanted to buy it back for twenty bucks, I'd be like I'll sell for no. Yeah, it's like an incentive, you see what I'm saying. I don't think you would do that because you're so you're like an honorable dude. I feel like you'd let them have it. Back. Business is business, teve Man. Then turkeys are still piling out. That's a nice group of turkeys. Look at them going into the other. Here's a good one. This is this has Chatika implications. Luke from conduct Can, Kentucky, He's he's hunts, he hunts public land, Kentucky. He's struggling with this. He's got an interesting thing. And he thinks I'm gonna be on his side, but I don't know that I'm totally on his side. He's struggling with what he is deemed to be squatters, which is a harsh word. Is he's rubbed the wrong way about individuals who are putting their stands out the night before, weeks before season, placing a stand on public land. And he he hasn't Yeah, he hasn't encountered with the guy that took it a little too far. A guy not only puts his stand up, a lease's bow in it. So he gets there and it's like the stand and the bow, that's unusual you doing that. It's like, let's just be frank, are you putting the stand there that you just had to face the facts. Anybody can understand. Yep, it's public land, it's like there's regulation in most states about how long you can put up a stand and leave it. Well, I mean, what does it give you the spot? No, the guy could get in a tree right beside you. Some states you can't leave them, that's right. And in Arkansas on on wildlife management areas, you have to have your name written on the stand and your phone number and you can only leave it there for a certain amount of days. I want to say it's two weeks, so you could go in early and put up a stand. It would be legal. So I would say that there's law that's probably prescribed that would that would give this guy. I mean, I don't think there's there's As long as it's within the time frame that they say you can leave a stand, I'd say he's good. Well, his deal is this, let me hit you with the other part of it and you can speak to the whole thing. His deal, Like, he's not saying you shouldn't be able to put a stand out. He's talking about interactions with other hunters in which someone feels that that makes it their spot. Yeah, like he had when he had to run in with the guy. He said, that's where my tree stand is. That's where my bow is, so that's where I'm going. I think if it's legal to leave a tree stand overnight in a place, just because you left your bow up there does not mean that's your spot. The guy, the guy, the guy who walked in there with that ground blind, did not know for sure that that guy was going to come back, and he was there first, so in my opinion, they both had a talk before they hunted, which I think is smart to do. And he saw a light coming and waited up for the guy because he's like, I'm gonna wait up for him for rather little detail. He waited up for the guy coming behind him on the trail to be like, where you going where? Here's where I'm going. And he's like, well, here's where I'm going. He's like, no, you're not, because I'm going there's my bows there. Yeah. And I mean, I'm just going off of what I would do personally. And let's say I were the guy who left my bow in the tree stand, which I would not do. Let's say I left the tree stand because it was legal in that state, and I went the night before and set it up, and I came and there's this guy sitting there in the ground blind. Personally, I would not hunt my tree stand. I may quick take it down, but I would probably be like, listen, dude, you were here first. You didn't know I was coming to hunt my tree stand. I'm gonna go try and find if you were coming. But he says there first. Either way, you know what, if he did, I mean, the bow was up there. So they probably made me figure some guys coming back. You know, I would have done. I would have left my kid up there, rotate them out. You gotta got mondays and two, don't you move when I come up in the morning, you can run back to school. We would you have done, Steve. Here's the deal. Here's why it's hard for me. It's like it just depends on it depends on a lot, Like it depends on like how much space, how tightly people are concentrated, you know what I mean. Yeah, I mean there's a lot of variable. It's just like if I look and it's and it's like an old man barely coming down the trail. You know, he's ninety eight years old. Sure, yeah, I might be like, just you know, that's cool man. It's you know, he's like I had to leave my bowl there because I can only carry my one thing at a time, and I don't know. I'm not gonna be like, well, tough shit. It's just it's so circumstances. It's so situational. It's so situational. Is it that there's four acres of land and you go out and a guy pre did his stand? You kind of in your head like I don't know, man, like he's got to stand there out let me go check. But maybe it's that there's twelve stands on acres of land. There's nowhere to go, and at a point you gotta be like, man, I'm just gonna have to be that it's gonna be first come, first serving, opening morning, because I can't untangle everything that's going on out here. Are these are these like legitimately here? Did some guy come in and put all these up as a way to like claim the whole thing? You just make a little judgment calls. I'm a big fan of the hanging hunt and like take it down just for those reasons and people not getting lazy and forgetting their tree stands in the woods and leaving them up, which happens all the time you see it in Montana. Um, but Yeah, it's a lot of great area. Like you saying, here's another one. Ain't right there, Jordan's skipped a lot of stuff, a lot of stuff. Okay, just to talk to you more. Uh, here's no and this is this is another land on our dilemma. This is this falls outside of otic because this is just a whole different kind of peculiar thing. But it kind of fits what we're talking about. Cren did a great job of bundling all like krend and I'll talk about things we want to talk about, and she bundled a lot of these like private property things. They're property issues, you know. The guy wrote in he lives in St. Francisville, Louisiana. He owns four fifty acres north of his place, un said property. There's a creek along said creek. There are three grave sites from the eighteen hundreds. A feller name John J. Austin, and his wife and daughter all buried there. John J. Austen was a decorated veteran of the War of eighteen twelve. You know, oh, you know what that bigot song you to learn Chester in eighteen fourteen, took a little trip, took a little took a little beans and whoop the mighty British at the Battle New Orleans ar guns so John J. Austen, John Jay Austen decorated veteran in the War twelve, presumably from the from the Battle of New Orleans. He dies, Okay, his wife dies. He homesteaded on this fourres he dies. Um oh man, this story really makes his own gravy. I forgot to mention the feller that rode in his family's own this place for a hundred years. They've always hosted these graves on their place of the people that homestead of the place. This feller dies. His wife dies of typhoid fever, daughter dies of something else. No, his daughter died of type Listen, everybody dies. All three of them died there. They are on the property. This guy is on the place for a hundred years. The historical society is leaning on him. Two put a fence around the graveyard and build a road into there so people could come and look at the dead people's place. No way. He doesn't want the general public to have that much access to her property. It's on the back end of his place. They run cattle there, they hunting there. In fact, the grave site is real close to his daughter killed her first deer last year. Just feels to him like just unnecessary. He's one of what we what we would do. It was a real clear kind of answer to this. Listen if it was Abe Lincoln or something. Still, No, listen, honest Abe, they took it a long time ago. Anyway, they wouldn't be talking about it anymore. But let's say it turns out that that's where honest Abe was buried. I'd be like, listen, it's honest Abe, the great emancipator. Let's put a road in. But just I don't know, and series a great h John Jay Austin, God bless him. But I don't know if that like if that of all, I don't know if that warrants that, because then the next thing you go to do, you know, like like you go to do like some habitat work, like you're just gonna create friction that's gonna burn you down the road. Well, what you say if you don't want to be just a total jerk, as you say, Hey, if this is your family, I'll take you back in there anytime you want. Dude, Judge Judy Bam. Maybe he should be running a book called claic. So you should say that's a great solution, clay That's what I think this gentleman should do. He should say it even make it better if it has, Like if there's some emotional attachment here, family, you're a historian, just please reach out. We will get you taken care of. But you don't want just people coming back there because they can and they got no business being there. Don't know these people what he put a road in there. You lose some of that integrity of like the actual cool old grave site to and stuff. And then you got the grave diggers coming in and me eater super fans claiming their family to go check out this grave site. You got a guy being like, it's my grandma, and I was thinking about how I'd like to visitor on opening day lay still doping day was very special and I'd like to be there to honor that with my old rifle. Um. Yeah, I don't know. That's a good solution, I think. So that's good, clay Man. We gotta do a judge, Judy show Man. Does your verdict hold up when you decide guilty not guilty? Well that's the hard part because then you have to have the historical society be down here. You have to have like there talking about the duck guy and the bear guys sitting here, and they have to all agree six D all right to duck Farmers of America. George. I got a couple of questions for you. You know, I know you haven't been long, live terribly long. This place is where you live has been your family for a very long time. Yeah, thirty nine. My grandpa bought it. Grandpa bought um uh. Do you feel that you've watched like we're hunting white tails. Do you feel that over the of course, through your family's experience that um, white tails have kind of like displaced because we see mule deer very few we see like we've seen like a mule deer buck, maybe two mule deer bucks. Do you feel that on white tails are kind of have the upper hand here. I think so. I think it's definitely changed. I don't know if it's just like we've definitely seen the white tail population rise and with that has been like an equal decline in mule deer. And I remember there being like nicer mule deer bucks here when I was like m hmm, like upper grade school, maybe middle school. But yeah, it's definitely it's not that way anymore. We have a hard time seen like honestly, like the buck we saw last nights, one of the better mule deer I've seen out here, and like, oh that was three or four years. Yeah, and then uh, what about pronghorn, that's that's shifted to. I think some of that has to do with I think that they're winning to agriculture fields and they're not coming back, They're just staying there there. Yeah. I mean even even when I was in high school, we had like a huntable population, I would say. But so you think like like egg coming in and you know, you have you have all these irrigation you have like nineteen uh pivots, it's a cluster. Yeah, you have nights like I think there's like four center pivot center pivots per or four per section or section or something like that. So it was nineteen of them to the to the what south of you south that that in your father's you know, when your father was your age, those weren't there. That's why I understand at least there definitely wasn't as many of them, and that change definitely wasn't Yeah, I think that that changed stuff a lot. I think that we saw the effects of that even a little bit on this hunt, where normally the deer would just live like on the river, and maybe there wouldn't be as many of them, but they would still live on the river and in the hills and stuff. But they all suck into those pivots and it's hard to tougher to hunt them. Another new thing. It's interesting. So the other day, while I was writing my song up on the hill looking watching you guys hunt a song about me? Or weren't Glenn know the song about should have been, Yeah, it's all about you. Yeah that I'm involved. We saw there help me. We saw a white tail deer, We saw a mule deer. We saw bison, and now these weren't wild bison, but they to the eye appeared to be wild bison on a big land far away. We saw wild elk, We saw thirty elk come through. We saw wild turkey. The only thing that we didn't see that you just described was an But I mean, that's a pretty I've seen. I've seen white tail, mule deer, pronghorn elk I'm talking about, yeah, you know. And then a bunch of things that aren't yeh that I mean, that's a pretty good that's a pretty good swash. And then then the bison off in the distance, which, like I said, all n't wild, but for the vast majority of our land mass here, that's what that's the best you can hope for. So just pretty neat, pretty neat. Was that was that feller that killed that big elk here? Your first ELK client? It was, yeah, you guys killed big bolt. We did. We got tell about how that whole thing is going down because those definitely haven't been here a long time. No, I was like, I think just Nebraska as a whole has been seen an uptick. I think they added like I don't want to say fifty, but it was something like that, like fifty more ELK tags this year, just to the whole state. Um, but it's resident only hard to draw once in a lifetime, Once in a lifetime. So how did you get hooked up with the ELK client? He just called me? Honestly, I don't even know. I think I learned after that he called everybody else, and everybody else was full. But so we got a hold of me and asked if we could make How is he like picking where like it's statewide or not state No, it's yeah, it's unit specific. Yeah of course, not statewide. Yeah that makes sense. So he had a unit and he was calling around, Yeah, called you. I think he was Yeah, I think he was late to the game and told me that a bunch of other people were already full. So he called me and asked we had a decent like if we had a good chance, And I said we I thought we did, and yeah, shot up like a three. Was he pretty happy? He was super happy? You have fun? Yeah, he was super happy. Yeah, it was good. It was honestly the first evening, the whole deal. Yeah, And and it was like the elk. I would not say, we're like residing on the place they were passing through. So it was just it was a huge waiting game. Were you just sweating it going into that? Oh yeah, how long is it? Se uh? It starts to see it ends and it's like five weeks. So he had time to try something else. Yeah, yeah, he had some time. We didn't get in on the opener. I was on like another hunt, I think, and so I couldn't get here until like the very end of September um and it starts the third week of September. So since that was just your first ELK client that you have, just kind of like make up a price pretty much. I just looked at what everybody else was doing and like got right in line what I thought they were doing. Can you explain what how the state requires? Like they have a they have a landowner thing, but like the requirement is interesting. Yeah, so the landowner wants to enroll, you have to prove from what I've I've been working with a game and fish guy to try to get us in like as a landowner. There's like a landowner section that's like north of town that's like all the landowners just automatically they can apply for land and attack. But us, where we're kind of out of like the main zone of where I would say most of the elk are or have been, we have to apply like individually, so we have to like enroll the ranch into the landowner program, and then all the family members can do it. Yeah, if they're directly related to the owner, they can. Yeah, they can apply. And it's something like for every six and forty acres, like two family members can apply or something like that. And it's still a long shot. It's still a long shot. Yeah. And uh so you have to prove that you have elk on your place for I think it's three of the four seasons. Yeah. Yes, you have to prove cam photos like what do you got to have? Yeah, pretty much trail camp photos like any video, any of that stuff. I'm gonna use trail camp photos just because it's day stamped and whatnot, So you can prove that kind of thing. But the the interesting thing about being in the landowner deal is you can, once you prove that you hold elk on your place, if you draw a tag, your tag is good for all of the Bordeaux unit or all of the unit that you're land is in, not just your land, which is you can if you had that's different than you could. Yeah, dear, you have to stay on your own place. Um. You know those like hostage things where you have the hostage holding the newspaper. You gotta get like an elk hold in the newspaper to prove when he was there, you know. Huh Yeah, I wonder how to what degree did you gather it's pretty friendly or like to what degree did they trying to put the screws to you. You know, I just sort of saying, like, no, I mean, because you can set the trail camp whatever the hell do you want. Yeah, I don't know. I don't think I've gotten that far into it. It'll be interested, they d like a real good faith thing, or they're like, are you sure? Well, it sounds like if somebody was trying to fabricate that and couldn't prove it, they wouldn't have Elk clear anyway, so they couldn't kill one anyway. Did you see what I'm saying. It's good for the whole unit. Yeah, it's good for the whole unit. So if we drew as a landown, we caught clean that paying attention I'm trying to follow, man, But yeah, you can go for the whole unit. So it's interesting they haven't really I mean, like twenty question me yet. They just put me on the list and told me to like start gathering some things to prove that Elk has been through there, or we hold Elk at least some of the year, and then they would get ahold, oh yeah, you guess my witnesses, you got fall, you got fall held up? Yeah, well, you know it would be great here's here's keep this in mind. You know how that shed we found them, you haven't picked up yet, so there you know the story and told us about. We've glassed up shed twice and she hasn't walked over and got it yet. You need to go over there because you know when they like the date range that it dropped to get a real nice picture how it's kind of settled into the sand in two it's in C two and be like, well, you know he was here in March. Whatever. M hmm. I like that. That's good. That's detective work right there. But man, this is strong. We're building a strong case. Is it brown or is it white? It's white. It's on your land though. Really, yeah, y'all been holding back. Y'all should have told us this. Yeah we found that first uh first morning. Yeah, the first morning we would have had time to go get it. I feel like this this is a little bit off topic, but this is I'm I feel like I need to bring this up because we're hunting in two different you know, like we're going hunting and you're going hunting. So when we come back together, I'm kind of a stickler on this. In the camps that I run, okay, is that there needs to be a formal meeting. I saw you do that to give information, because like I'll pass by Jordan and be like, what y'all see, and you know, she'll say something. Then you'll pass by and say something totally different, and then the cameraman go, well, this happened, and no one knows what's going on. So that's why. That's why I like when you come back, it's like and it's like Steve was gonna tell us what happened today, and that's where we would have known about the elk. It's the last day of the hunt this case, and pointed to Clays. Yeah, you're right here, we are. We all knew it. You didn't know it. My hunt would have been more robust the last three days if I had known there was an elk glass and that sucker up or trying to y'all took this from me. It's still tonight. When you guys get a deer here, um, you have to go down to the check station. Yeah, that's a rifle season thing. That's what that's for. Yeah, talk to you what all like, why and what all happens and where you go? That might be interesting is a good it's probably a good question. We didn't do it last year. Um with COVID and stuff. They just check stations. Yeah, muzzle order, you don't have to do check station and archer you don't have to do check station. You just call in and like you tell them like male or female, white tailer, mule deer. If it was a like if the buck had more than eleven inches spread or something like that, and they pull a tooth. No, So why do they need the whole thing? Why do they need the whole thing there? They don't take any like biometrics. Do they take any measurements or anything. The bucks are two and a half years old. Yeah, that's the thing that happens. He didn't take a CWD thing, did he know? I told him he could and he didn't. Yeah. He just cut the he like cut the side of the mouth open and he looked and he said, look like sharp teeth two and a half years old. Didn't pluck one, didn't touch it and didn't pull a gland. No, they just want to have it be that, I think so. And then he puts the metal. So there is a thing that goes on down there, But they're not like really maximizing information that could be pulled from these deers. No, I've seen them sometimes like they'll cut and like pull a gland assume for CW. But I don't other than that's pretty much all. I mean. My kids went, we took a deer and after you season, we took a deer and new check station and you could, uh, they grab a tooth and they we'll pull a gland. Yeah, we missed out on the gland pulln we already skinned the head. Oh yeah, I wasn't think about I would say that one of the glands if I have been thinking about it. In the Braski guys, Um, everything's over the counter. Yeah. The rifle tags are capped so and they are a unit specific so like muzzloader season over the counter. I don't I don't even know if there's a cap, and if there is, I don't think it's ever been met. And that is statewide. There are certain like restrictions on like mule deer in the Pine Ridge area. I know you can't shoot a muled your dough like on the north side of the river here. Um, and then I think you can only you can still shoot a muled your dough on this side of the river. Yeah, on the south side, but not on the north side. I don't know if that's a great idea. Yeah, so then you might be speeding along the inevitable man. Yeah, So that's one thing. And then there's like certain areas in southern Nebraska where there's like mule dear conservation areas where you can't shoot a mule deer inside of them at all, or you have to draw for a buck tag in those archeries the same way, but rifle, they make you their unit specific and they are capped and they sell out pretty damn fast. The mule deer tags on the north side of the river soiling like two days got do you guide those? Um? Yeah? I I kind of shy away from the mule deer thing just because of what we're talking about. Like a lot of the guys I want to shoot mule deer, you know, they want like a good representation of a buck, and I just don't think that I can't like promise that the type of the deal. So if they want to shoot a mule deer, like, we'll hunt for a mule deer, but I sell a white tail hunt. And then I do like a trophy fee type thing on top of the mule deer, or on top of if they shoot a mule deer just to make people more conscious of, like, don't shoot a two point type of a deal just to shoot a mule deer. I'm trying to help us out there. But you know, she killed a real big mule there a couple of years ago. I don't know if you want to talk about. You killed a real big one this year Idaho. Yeah, so you killed a big one in this place. He was like high one nineties. Yeah, really bought by the highway. M hmm. So he wasn't even down here, but killed it with a bow. Yeah. Is that one of the ones in the hallway? It's a picture. Yeah. I don't know if there's a picture of him up there or not. There's some big mealies pictures. Yeah, you shot that one with the bow out here. That's doing something. Man. What did you creep up on it? Have a blind little canyon creeped? Really? Mm hmm. That's cool man. And now you have a big stomper out in Idaho this year. I got a good buck in Idaho. Yeah. How big was this one? We never I he's probably like a mid one sixties buck and never we haven't measured him. He's in getting a yuro Mount currently Freedom Mount, Freedom Mountain. That's right, I forgot about that. Um do you know this about your state? This feels like a Western state, right private. Yeah, it doesn't surprise me. That's tough going actually surprises me a little. This price and parks. Yeah, it's pretty much probably you run into that too, like like when you see Texas, you know, yeah, I mean they even sold off their school trust lands like and then but they have like a so they'll have like a certain what I was like two percent or whatever the hell it is public but Great Bend National Park m M. You can't hunt in there anyways. You can't hunt anyways. Yeah, so it's kind of yeah, not like what good is it? But it doesn't mean from a hunter perspective. So you go like, oh, there's least some public land, and then the bulk of public land is park account anyway, So you probably got a situation like that. There are some parks, but most of the I think some of like most of the public lands all in the north west corner of the state, like Shattern Area, Harrison and then it gets hammered. And that's all like in the Pine Ridge unit, so on the north side of the river. That's where some public is. Yeah that's where. Yeah, that's where a lot of it is. But this state, um, they have Open Fields and Waters program, which is cool. Yeah, that's like putting your like CRP or whatever. You can open acres and that forty acres enrolled. And something that I've never heard of called the Stubble Access Program. Haven't heard of that either. After you harvest wheat and milo and whatnot, it's people can go in and hunt birds in western Nebraska on the Stall Bowl an adjacent habitat. Oh that's not a bad problem. It's very specific. It is. That's harsh your crop. Harveish your crop, guys, and come in and hunt the stubble fields. But they keep people out of it when the crop is still standing there. Nothing nice, Yeah, for sure, bad approved. What's that? More turkeys? You got that? All right? Listen, we got a real problem. We're running out of our hunt time. Steve has shot here yet, but you know, you know, I don't care. I've had a great time. Yeah cool, I'm glad I've had one of the better times I've ever had doing anything. It's been humbling for me because I'm I don't think before this a rifle hunt's ever gone over two days. Really, I just kind of assume you can tell you're sweating it. Yeah, we saw, but here's the thing. We could have shot bucks because shot one a minute ago. That's true, we could have shot smaller, dear, But and there was one that we watched for a while and you're like, Steve, let's get serious. What do you think about that buck? Yeah, there was a point I kept looking at him and I was like, I mean, it's not a bad, dear, but it's just we've all but here's the thing. We've all seen bucks where you said, I shoot that buck. Yeah, so the difference, what do you think about that, dear? And I shot that buck? You know that was a difference. It was like on the border and I was like, no, yeah, we've seen molt ones. You're like, I was making some commentary on the hilltop when the buck in question came out. That was kind of the one that she was going, well, you know, that's a decent bedded down out by us. Twice I was. I was setting up there and I said Steve Ronella on day three, is gonna shoot that buck. No, we've had bucks. We've had bucks, we just haven't had seen a lot of nice bucks far off, seeing little Bucks up close, and we just haven't. The corn is up. That's one thing I don't think we mentioned. There's a bunch of pivots in this time of year. A lot of those deer are still in there. I think it is a hole down in that corny. I mean miles of cors like the Wild West and miles. Yeah, I think it's holding them, maybe more than I thought it was going to. But it's just there's it's so unpredictable, like being on the hilltop. You see, like we've seen a shooter buck almost every single time we've set up there because we have this macro view, and it's just you know, sometimes they come out here, sometimes they come out there. There's just so much surface area that corn it's just hard to know where they're gonna be. Yeah, we saw a shooter buck last night. There was a mile and a half away going the other way. Yeah, chasing hot after a doll and you're just like it's kind of like you see it, but it kind of doesn't it doesn't matter. Yeah, uh, I like seeing that stuff, though it can easily go the other way where people are like, well it doesn't even matter. So why are we sitting here if we can see him but we can't get to him? Michael Valad I guess yeah, I don't want. I think I've had a wonderful time hunting here. Every sit is like it's half it's half sitting half spot stock. Yeah, every sit is exciting. We've been seeing big box. Clay got a nice book. Yeah, I could tell if like whatever has to night, if we had another day, I'd have no doubt we'd get them. We're probably gonna go get one right now. We got an evening left. The bottom of the ninth kind of kind of picked up. Um, Jordan tell everybody how to find you again. We told him how to find you before. Yeah, Running Water Hunting dot com is probably the easiest, and all my contact infos on there. You can kind of get the layout of what we offer. Yeah, Turkey's white tails like very limited amounts of mule deer Elk sounds like if you're in Nebraska resident elk and one of the lucky few you do it again, you're feeling cocky about it. Now that you killed that huge bole, I would do it again. I would only do like one one one elk hunter. Yeah, maybe depends if the landowner. Yeah, if we, like somebody drew a landowner tag, we probably wouldn't take anybody. Oh really, so you're strict about it? Yeah, you played pretty conservative. I think so. Like I there's there's some other outfitters that have taken like a lot of elk hunters, and I heard this year that they were having trouble finding the size, and I think that that's from a lot of numbers. I think even deer and stuff should be uh, if we're not gonna put like a sigh is restriction in like a a lot of guys are doing like we're not going to shoot a deer under one forty type of management style. Like I think if you don't do something like that, you've got to be kind of conservative on how many people you take it. Well, we could have killed the elk if we'd have been been hunting elk this week. I mean, we had elk that we could have made a play on on Jordan's land. And that was to say, I mean, like this one little sector of calendar because those we saw the other day, Yeah, they were coming right through. I mean, I'm not saying it would have been easy, but we could have. We've just seen Elk. We could have got it's cool to be looking out. See all was bison and here comes hurt out. It was all right, we better go yet. I gotta take my pajamas back off again, my regular clothes back on. We're gonna go. Yeah, get a big Jordan's thank you, Thank you, guys. This has been so much. It's been great. The people don't know it right now, we're all sitting in lazy boys. Yeah. Yeah, I was gonna say something about that. This farmhouse. It's really neat where you keep people this this farmhouse. It feels like you're in someone's home. Small. Yeah, that's it's great. It's been great. Appreciate it. He doesn't have a lazy lazy boy. A lot of Western aren't hanging here, which has got me like, I feel like I'm gonna go deep on this year. I asked my wife for Christmas to get me. I want to frame. I told it right, I'm gonna put it in the bedroom. I want a framed print of C. M. Russell's The Free Trappers, and I was gonna be like, and that'll be the end of it. It will be the end of it. But now I found another one. Following the River by Robert Duncan song I have to go talk to her and be like, listen that wall for Valentine, for Valentine's I need Following the River by Robert Duncan's good paint. Alright, thanks so much,

Save this episode