00:00:08 Speaker 1: This is me eat your podcast coming at you shirtless, severely bug bitten and in my case, underwear listening podcast. You can't predict anything presented by first, like creating proven versatile hunting apparel from Marino bass layers to technical outerwear for every hunt. First like go farther, stay longer. Okay, we're recording and catch Candle asking me and sat there doing this one like, uh, you know who John Lennon is, right, yeah, got shot beatles and everything. Um, you know his wife Yoko Ono. I don't know, you're not aware that there was a dude named John Lennon with a wife named Yoko Ono. Uh no, I am that you asked if id new her? That's fair? No, over and me and Seth are doing, um what was that? Evan? Do you remember what that was called? Where they wouldn't get out of bed, where they wouldn't get out of bed. Yeah, they did like a bed in remember yeah, you're right, yeah, yeah right now in this hotel exactly, it's exactly the same John Lennon and Yoko. Yeah, and they wouldn't get out of bed and they did everything in bed, mean, Seth. Yeah. Joined the Day by Evan Hayford. Now you don't know this. Probably when the pandemic hit. You were our first remote, the first ever remote person. That's right, I did because you told me that when we were on the show. He said, I hate this. I don't like doing them like this and I can't wait to get back to doing them in person. Here you are and here I am. How did you like the title that show, Roasting Coffee in the CIA? That was a good title, wasn't it. Yeah, I'm sure it didn't. Well it was because I was technically in the CIA and roasting coffee. So I don't know if that's the the entirety of the show, but it was. No, but I liked it. I thought the title was good, good, But I had questions about whether that you might come to me and be like, well, actually I didn't do that then, No, No, I did excellent. Um and catch Candle Assid coming after office some wet ass days and we'll talk more about that. Hunting hunting blacktail deer um on Prince Wales Island and we'll return to that. We've got a couple of as as per usual as usually, got some stuff we gotta cover off on I'm gonna I'm gonna mess with my order because dirt. Can you, uh explain what happened to your friend man the bear the bear guy. Oh, this is a great story. This is a real This is a real uh you know, happening makes its own gravy. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. Well, I think we're on the same page. The the the tranquil answer. So my buddy Kevin Weiderman, Widerman, you know, it's not that good of friends us. It's a hard last name. Anyways, Well, which which one is it? Or don't you know? Widerman? Yeah, he was hunting up at the family cabinet, was telling you about no, dude, just we'll stay at that and uh shot a bear and at the check station f w P said it had been they had it was collard, and they realized it had been tranquilized twenty days prior and told him not to eat the meat. Okay, but hold, I wish you would. You know, you got to the point real quick. But I want to back up a little bit. Did he know his collard? No, he couldn't tell. And he told me that when I talked to him, He's like, couldn't tell. Why not? What color? Was the collar. I don't know. I couldn't tell his collard or tag. Maybe he's an air tag, I don't know. And then was it tranquilized and moved or tranquilized it was? It was a trouble shot of lost bear. It was relocated. Yeah, And this this was all initially when I texted you, it was text with what I asked you. And then I called him before I fled out here to get the just real quick. And that's all I got was yeah, man, I couldn't tell it was. And they said, we tranquilized this bear twenty days ago. You shouldn't eat it because that tranquil as your drugs in there. Yeah, they recommended thirty days, to wait thirty days, and before that not to consume the meat. And he did in ten days. It would have been okay to eat the tranquil as there. And he called he his his intuition was to eat the meat, but he knew what ran was some folks that knew a lot about that type of stuff. And he said to ask your buddies, you know what they think. And I asked you and cow and both of you kids were like, eat it. Dr Steve, you know, I don't want someone coming after you. I don't want to now, you don't want to meat the ship and then coming after me. They held accountable. Did he feel sleepy or so him? What if he eats it and feel sleepy? I don't know. Do you ever listen to this show, the show you're on right now? Yea? So maybe you caught the episode where we talked about a guy that was shot by a tranquilizer. I didn't. They were doing they were doing mountain lion research stuff and they wanted to trank a mountain lion, but they didn't want to fall out of the tree and get hurt. So the guy was up in the tree with it. Like they'll put out nets and stuff. They don't joke, put out nets to test the mountain lion. Somehow the line like they hit it and the line gets tangled up like falls asleep on the branch. So he's got to go up there and try to snaggle it down and you know, get it to the ground, gets up there and it's it's not asleep. So he is hooting and hollering about getting the gun back up there because he wants to place the shocks. It's in a place where they can't get at it either way. They up with an idea to he's gonna lower a rope down and the guy is gonna tie the tranquilizer gone to the rope. I don't understand this, but in the process he gets of him tying it through the trigger guard trunks. The guy in the tree, I need to listen to this one. They had to haul him out of the mountains on a mule, but he didn't die. Didn't die. Yeah, point being this is for your friend with the bear. Here's a man that took the full load of the trunk and was in himself and he's lived to tell about it. So now you got a bear that has some amount of it for how many days? Twenty days metabolizing it. It's distributed throughout its carcass. He's gonna presumably eat it in a piecemeal fashion. Yeah, not like he's gonna sit down and eat a hundred pounds of like in a sitting Yeah, he's gonna eat a half pound here, a quarter pound there. He's a big eater. He's not gonna eat at all. But but you see my point. Yeah, Like in times like this, I always ask myself this I'm like, will this be the thing that ends up killing me native on that, and I'm always like, probably not. Man, It'll probably be like the normal ship that kills everybody. And there may not be an answer. But why the thirty days do you think? I don't know. Why did they come up with that number? I don't know. Yeah, that's probably how long it takes you out of the system, the brain out in seth. Well, I'll follow up and see after little Feller to see if Kevin laying up in that bed. I'll comfy he hangs out. You're going yeah, um, yeah, so that's that's good. Maybe maybe a train glazer expertal right in oh so um. Also, Auction House of Bodities, we're on auction group number four, so we're gonna keep running the auction outs for a while. Here. I got a lot of items still, so right now auction group number four, we have a signed copy of Ridgeline by two time podcast guest Michael punk Um. That's so that's his new book, signed Jason Phelps. I'll get this one. So Phelps just haunted the Elks season successfully. I watched him in my own two eyes, uh his bow, so he's got a p s E Evo n x T three five stripped of accessories so you can you can go buy Phelps's actual elk hunting bow and the actual bugle tube he used all throughout the season, well bloodied bugle tube. UH. The prototype so we worked with We we have skull mountains out like desk mounts, wall mounts. We worked with my favorite fabricator, Travis Barton Barton Fabrication Um near our hometown. There. We were with him to make these things and he came up with a prototype. We're auctioning off the prototype wall school mount one of the kind ship here, folks. We also got a hand forged carving knife by Kirkpatrick Forge and Sheridan, Oregon. This is one of a pair of knives we had. The other one's gone now designed for carving large hunks of meat. Riley Kirkpatrick made this for Callahan to be used on special occasions, but Cal says they're two nice for how infrequently he has special occasions happened to him, so he wants someone that will be able to put this into good use. Also, our very own Maggie Smith UH a beautiful photography photograph of a bull moose. The photograph is called some Serious side Eye. It's a bull, moose and velvet from our own geographer and editor, Maggie Smith. She was doing a river trip, ran into a bunch of four five moose. This one strucker she folded. She snapped hundreds of photos of it. This is her favorite one. And then uh moss Montana moss Agate hoop earrings. So Spencer the rock Hound New Hearth are very own who runs our Trivita program here he found him. His wife turned them into beautiful pieces of jewelry. Those around the auction house. And then continuing on the auction house and something you don't gotta buy, go sign up for a chance to win Doss Boat. It's like Dose Boat. So it's the boat from Doss Boat season two. We already gave away the boat from Doss Boat one. This is the boat from Doss Boat to It belonged to my childhood fishing mentor, John Gary. When he passed away, it came to live at my house, lived in my mom's Pole Bron. I moved away. They lived in the Pole Barron for twenty years. We got it out, refurbished it with a new Honda for stroke on it. Got it a beautiful, crazy ass paint job. It's all tricked out. What everything you could possibly want. Doss boat dose boat up for grabs right now, go sign up and get its being the auction house. Uh, we had skunk essence. We gave away a bottle of skunk Austens that uh that me and Seth and Chester pulled out of some skunks with a syringe. And then it's prompted a lot of people writing skunk stories. Here's a skunk story. It's not a prank, but it's just a good skunk. Aussen story has to do with skunk essence and freedom mounts and furnaces. So this guy goes on to say he's in Iowa hunting shotgun season and he finds a large white tail deadhead. Now you got deadheads that like the dead, right Devan, and then you've got deadheads that are dead things, dead things. This is a dead thing deadhead. It's a dead white tail. Got it. You didn't find just a dead a dead deadhead, dead deadhead. It's just a deadhead, easy to find. Very colorful. Yeah, because if he was getting a school amount of a dead deadhead that he found were probably notified. I had to notify the authorities because I don't want to be implicated. This is a dead white tail's head. So here's where he does. It doesn't make total sense. He takes the head in the anidlers and puts into garbage bag. Sure that makes sense. Then he places it in the window well of his uncle's house, odd keeping it safe. Why, yeah, you find a dead school put in the bag. I'm with you. Any nine out of ten people are gonna bag it. Puts in his uncle's window well, where it resides for some time. Eventually, the uncle who owns the window well takes the bag with the dead head into the furnace room. Unbeknownst to him, a skunk is in the bag, snacking on the rotten head that got in there from the window, and he grabs the bag. Okay, when the skunk gets in the house, it starts caught and loose. It gives his furnace a direct hit. Two years later, when you come in the house, there's still the faintest skunk smell, a little whiff that makes you want to just replace your whole miss sure this or the whole house? It makes me It's get a little extreme but yeah, it makes me think that it might have been a deadhead that found the deadhead story. That's a crazy story. Yeah, it could be. That might be a good show, Deadheads hunting for Deadhead. It's like you have deadheads that walk around the woods and then you follow what they do with the dead heads when they find them window sills. I have a skunk question. It might be a better time than No, that's a great time. No time like the present for that kind of stuff. Dirt my neighbor's dog. Uh, but this is right before New Mexico. Actually I was gonna bring it up, but I didn't get a chance. Um bit off the attack to skunk got sprayed and um when they went out to figure out what's going on, this skunk's tail was with Pindler as the dog's name. Now does that does the tail? Can you back up? I'm confused? Go ahead, dog attacked the skunk and at the crime scene they found the skunks tail and a sprayed dog. The dog ripped the skunks tail off. My question is does the tail regulate that action? Like was it a loose cannon at that point? Just like, yeah, there's a skunk. Just I don't know that's probably one for half a finger. Yeah, but I'm gonna say doesn't regulate that. That's not how he regulates. Okay, that tail is almost like I want to think, it's almost like a warning flag because it's so colorful. It's yeah, you know, it's time to get the heck out of in in fur trap and lowerm seth. You'll have your own thing about this, yep, and for when I was a kid, and for trapping. Lord. When you have a skunk and they're generally like in the old days, people would trap skunks for the commercial markets, and they still have value, but now they have value on the how do you what do you call it novelty trade? Yeah, skunk prices aren't tied to fur markets, so they're not tied to sort of like all the international ship like oil prices and what the economy in South Korea is like and what the Russians are up to. Um, like normal fur that goes into fur garments. It's sort of tied to all this you know, political global economic ship. Uh so it's tied to like a company that could be making something specific like a jacket that ends up being really popular and all of a sudden the skunk prices might go. No, it's all novelty. I see the novelty. The skunk fur market is novelty trade. So it's like you drunk uncle, I would think it's funny to have a skunk hat, or people want to skunk wall hanging. It's like it doesn't go. It's like the novelty trade drive skunk prices, and so skunk prices stay pretty stable, like I think like a like a put up skunk stays around like not much. What was the six bucks? Okay, that's curious? Uh what was I getting at? Oh? But skunks are very common bycatch fox and kyote trapping. Um. We caught a bunch of them kyote in a bunch of coyotes sets that SETH and I set this year. Hence the bottle of skunk gussons yep um. I was always taught that if you shot it in the heart with the twenty two um, that's the best way to make it not spray. Nowadays people um have a syringe on a long stick trankt No, I don't even want to tell you what they're put in there. Who this is a family program. My imagination is black rifle cough. This sunk gets real energy. We're done on that, right. Yeah. I still didn't get an answer on the tail, but maybe someone I'm telling you, man, I don't think there has anything to do with it. There's not a muscle. I'm sure that he's got like a I'm sure that he's got like a a sphincter type prostrate type finger another that it's got a muscle. Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm getting at. Okay, um is that is that skunk essence? Like drawing over someone win it? Yeah, Gareth getting ready to ship it out. I wonder what you want to know what I'd be curious what they're gonna do with it. You don't you want to know what Joe Bieber there um in Minnesota, what he does with it, How they store it. It's a hot tip. They probably don't store it like you stuck to the outside of your house. They don't know. They don't staple to their outside their house. They he said, what you do is you get like coffee can feel full sand Oh, now there's a thing that's going on obsoletes coffee cans. Evan can probably tell you about that. That might be a cool retro product. Funny you say that I do can the old You do the old type of can that you put worms in when you get you do or bolts. We do a aluminum can on some of our limited offerings, so then you put your worms in their bolts or yeah, they spent casings whatever. People putting coffee cans. Well, that was part of the genesis because I was out cleaning out my grandfather's shop and he had all these cans, coffee cans like everywhere, right, nuts and bolts, and I was like, once you and they were all the folders cans, they're all red. It was like this guy drank the same coffee for probably thirty years. Because you like to calvi his garage organized. That's one of the reasons I was like, man, I think this business might be kind of sticky. He reinvented the wheel man um oh anyways to store um scun gastons and other very potent odors like fox urine or whatever. Take um can like that and fill the full sand and then you put it in the You put the bottle in the middle of the sand and then pack the sand on protects it from breaking. In the older, he said, the older doesn't get out of that. It's just packed in sand. It is a good timp. Here's an interesting deal, Krand I could tell things this is super Krims not with us right now, but I can tell she thinks it's super interesting because of how much she really liked a lot like I Krinn really likes. Krine finds an interesting thing, and she she'll highlight the part she likes. Holy smokes, she likes a lot of this article. It's about that California condors not even know if other birds can do this too. You guys ever heard of parthenogenesis? No? Okay, bear with me. At a time that we were down, like very like California condors due to you know, poisoning and shooting and habitat destruction became you know, like they're they're very famous, um for how low their population got to be where they were saved from that they were safe through a captive breeding programs. So in eighty two there were only twenty two California condors in existence. Okay, Apparently it's hard to look at a condor and tell if you're looking at a boy or a girl, um, which is true. A lot of birds you gotta kind of open their clothe aco up and you'll find this little wormy thing in there. Anyhow, they developed the test um two determine the sex of the condors, and they split these birds up into these into two captive breeding facilities. As this captive breeding thing went on over the years, they also began doing DNA testing on these birds because they wanted to avoid breeding closely related individuals. Recently, now scientists decided to undertake a complete genetic analysis of the population, which is now, you know, some nine hundred birds, so from two nine and they have all these like samples from condors, right, they have blood, they have eggshell membranes, they have tissue from deceased birds, they have feathers from birds. So they're doing this analysis all these birds and they find two birds out of the nine there's two birds that are missing genetic material from the male who shared the enclosure with the female that laid the eggs. Drag itsmatham, this is cool. You seriously think that this is awesome. They did multiple samples off these birds because they felt they were making a mistake. They were confident it wasn't a mistake. What they realize is that condors at least a couple of times can reproduce through parthenogenesis, a form of reproduction in which an egg can develop into an embryo without being fertilized by a sperm. It seems like there was an air somewhere. No, I believe, so check this out. Condors can live into their fifties. But both of the male chicks born of a sexual reproduction were relatively small and died before becoming sexually mature at one point nine and seven point nine years old. Then the article goes on to be annoying. Wait, how does a female have a male baby without any fertilization. You'll have to write these people and ask them, does any other bird do that? I'm sure it does. Want wants to look up part pull it up that word. Here's where the article gets annoying. And this is the thing that everybody does. It's super annoying. Goes on to say. He adds speaking in one of the scientists, that the condor is a remarkable species that has survived from the place to scene era. Everything has survived from the place to scene. Are people are like the muskox a plice scene relative? Why don't they say like humans a places scene or rats scene relic or chicken Eass scene relicate. No, there's not like you can't name a creature that's not a place to scene relic. Yeah, you can't name me one name a like from from from the from the palis to scene hollow, scene transition. What brand new things are there? Got me? But why why is it always the Muskox, the pleist scene relicate. No one's ever like the white tailed Deer Relicate. It's like everything is that should be the next T shirt you'd have, just like a bunch of pictures of dude would be like a dude. It's a shirt with a dude like it looks like like a just a dude like me. That says Plisscene relic that's what we should have a T shirt like hot Cakes. Steve's face on a T shirt says, I don't know if I want to be the preying on it, but I think it would be a great shirt with the glasses down. It's a glasses down to see relic like when I'm like when I when my spectacles in the tip of mind and do a special fishack edition where they're all fogged up. Well, our our condor special other than being place to scene relics. Well, there's special but there's only twenty two of them left now. They're also the condors also sit at the and this this sort of ties into your thing. I'm not gonna spend too much time on um. It's a little bit ugly right now. It gets a little bit ugly. So if you were to go and ask, like see, i'm i'm I'm getting into the deep end of the pool here dirt. This is where like biology meets politics. I don't like that lead lead yep in um. Hunters are often blamed for continuing condor depths. Other people point up other causes lead, but condors have a lot of problems with lead poisoning. Some people point to that they're getting lead from scavenging carcasses left over by hunters, and they're ingesting lead and then will be fifty years, and over the course of fifty years they find enough deer carcass doesn't get lead um now Like for it was in the eighties when the lead band came for waterfowl, everybody got pissed. People eventually got used to it. But like you used to be able to shoot lead at ducks and geese. Are people that quit hunting ducks and geese because they had to switch to steel non toxic shot. California had like the condor recovery zone and you could you couldn't use lead ammunition, and the kind of the condo recovery zone even like twenty two and stuff, you got copper. This article, like like a lot of articles like this, they always have. They always take like a little potshot at hunters. And so the article goes on and take a little totshout at hunters about um this thing. And it's like, I'm not gonna get into right now. There's people we should we should have. We'll have someone on to talk about it. There is some healthy debate about this. Okay, where the lead comes from and all this and then and then uh and some people would some some people view that, uh the con that that that that that's not entirely to blame for the demise of the condor and all this kind of stuff. But it's it splits politically in some ways. Yeah, buddy, So uh. Pat Durkin on our website recently wrote a thing about increased use of coperamto right and and what's going on in California where it's like they can't use lead anymore, and like and and certain ammo is hard to find right now, as you know, and like exacerbates the problem. People are very frustrated all this kind of stuff. Uh gets into you know, and Durkins think gets into that little bit. Um. But it got me thinking when you say, like, uh, when you're watching the Western, they're feeling full of lead. Yeah, Garrett Long, our colleague has a quote, Um, when there's lead in the air, there's hoping the heart. Oh that's a good one. Well you were in the future where you'd be like, I'm filled them full of copper when there's copper near the heart, you know what I mean. It's hard transition, man and west copper gonna do too. You know. Well, this is this one Feller Crian thought it was interesting, but I don't think it's that interesting. It's one Feller rolled in about all the trouble with copper and uh, yeah endless you know why, because I'm not totally prepared to talk about it, because there's like studies, for instance, everybody points there's a lot of stuff like people are like I don't want to use like move away from birds for a minute, now, it's not even the debatable point. Waterfowl. A lot of waterfowl got killed by lead shot that got killed by lead shot for this reason. Um, you have areas where you have a lot of hunters in a concentrated fashion putting a lot of pellets in them. Are So you have marsh lands, wetlands, crop fields where guys are shooting boxes of shells right all the time, and those birds pick up grit for their gizzard. And so you're in areas where there's like a lead pellet of a size very attractive to the bird as digestive grit, and you have concentrations of it in areas where birds concentrate, and so they would accumulate lead in their gizzard and their gizzard grinds that let up, and it was causing bird death. But then a lot of things caused bird death. Cars kill birds. House Cats kill a billion birds a year in the country, and people aren't like, we should ban house cats, right, wind turbans kill birds. Skyscrapers kill birds. Glass windows kill birds, and people aren't like we should ban glass windows. No more windows. So you know, some people look and be like, why of all the things that kill birds. Why is that the the we gotta give our thing up? You don't give You're not giving your house cat up. You know all this kind of stuff. Complicated it is. And then the other part, the other reason we should like we should almost have it be where we have like a we should have a debate. That would be a good idea. Get like one person from one side, the most informed person on one side of this, and the most informed person on one side, and they go toe to toe friendly though with time allotment. Oh yeah, well we'll run like a debate. Man, it's great idea. You can come dirt all right, I'll do the button pushing um. Because there's things like, for instance, some people will sight wanting to some people will cite like I I quit hunting with lead because I don't want my family exposed to lead. But then no one can find evidence of hunters having elevated lead. In fact, they found they did this one study. I think it was in the Dakota's hunters have less lead than average cause they live in rural environments. Right, I got some When you're in an urban environment, like you can go in a second. You're in an urban environment where you have huge concentrations of automobiles that were burning leaded fuel. And it's like in the soil and in old housing areas that had lead paint that you can't point be like hunters are at risk of lead. You'd be like Brooklyn Knights are at list are at risk of elevated levels of blood. So you know there's all these arguments like human health, wildlife health. Yeah, it's a it's a rich field of inquiry, and no matter what answer you come up with, someone's gonna be piste, go ahead, dirt. As left handers, I mean you don't know if Evan, are you left handed? No? I'm normal. Where's this going? So three of us in the room being left handed? Normal? Babe, Ruth. You remember when you used to write stuff on paper That doesn't happen anymore in school. But the left handers, you don't know what you're talking about. Yeah, I actually you don't have kids, no, But they're on iPads and laptops. Man, I'm telling you I have three of them. They write on paper with pencils lead or any of them left hand it's graph fight. Uh never mine was old pencils lead. But the smudging, like the smudges. But it's not lead, it's graph fights. Okay, never mind, disregard. I was excited for you to get there. I was rooting for him when he starts talking to MYR, was rooting for him. I'm always hoping he's going to pull something off, because time he does pull off something, good man, that is graphite. Damn well they didn't. There was as you have been right and think about as a young child writing them essays, getting a smudge on your hand, absorbing that maybe left handers are have a higher percentage of let him of graphite, poison graph You end up like licking it off, clean it. No, I just smudge? Is that what you do? Chick? Lick it off? Explains a lot. Jaster, here's a good one for you, buddy, Ready some Wisconsins. Are you ready for something from Scannie? Hit it a diver? This is great. The diver was going to test out some scuba equipment. Okay, picks a nondescript spot to test his scuba equipment. What does he find in thirty ft of water one thousand, two hundred year old fishing canoe lake Mindota, Wisconsin Lakes right near Madison, which is kind of if you think about how popular that lake is. It's right in Madison, and they still are finding stuff like the picture here they had fishing weights on it and some other equipment. Really well, that is crazy. One thousand two So from eight hundred a d. What was it made out of? I may miss that lead this grab it's a wooden canoe. I wonder if they talked about their fishing canoes like we talked about our fishing boats these days. It looks like it's kind of lashed together with you see that. Yeah, they might have done that the whole I think what you're looking at their pulled it together as they didn't want to fall apart. Yeah, that makes sense. That is crazy. It is cool though, one thousand two d year old canoe, Lake Mendota. Some kids in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan. There's pictures of that's sitting in school speaking little kids in school. Bamn, a moose bust is the window. There's a bunch of pictures of the moose standing in the classroom. What yeah, right on into school. Anybody hurt? Maybe it's a messy ass classroom, saskatooneezy. It looks like a lot of blood on the ground. Unless that's I don't know, water bottles sanitizer. It looks like there's a hand sanitizer bottle there. There there was a bear that got into the Bozeman High School a few years ago. Okay, Chester got some stuff on Chetakare you ready for this? A lot of people writing in with CHETAKA questions for Chester. I love it too. I kind of want to read this letter, but it's so I'll read it, but I'm gonna do u Oh yeah, all right, I'll read it. No, how you how do you want to read it? So let me let me lay the groundwork. Burbank, Washington. This just happened to three youth hunters got up in the morning and beat what looked like an older gentleman to his duck blind. So they were okay, racing to get there. The guy that wanted to get there to the blind first but didn't get there, goes and touches off four rounds near the kids storms off. They got scared, but what was gonna happen? So then they packed up their decoys and went back to the truck. And what awaits them on their truck window. Chester, there's a letter um who wants to do the beep when I point at him. So you know what, let's just do this man, just read it and then um, because there's it's it's really something. I mean I imagine there must be a dozen them in there, some of them. He doubles up it. Okay, Philip, make it more. This is the letter and left on the truck from the old man. This is the old man's This teenis to have his mouth washed out with it. Just this drives me nuts, but I'm reading it. This is my spot, asshole. My grandpa built all the blinds on this shoreline. Next time I see this truck here, the truck is mine. You best watch yourself, boy, and stay the out of burbank. You are very lucky. I don't slash these tires right now. Off j I don't think i've ever heard you say that word before Chester that I was going to keep. Um. I mean, obviously in etiquette standards, that's not that's just that's just plain old nasty. And you're talking about the kids taking the blind right, these kids taking old guy's blinds. No, I mean like there's a couple of questions, like, I'm sure this is public land. Um, you know, if it's public land. People have to just and you see this all over you know. I've gotten letters from people being like, you know, get the hell away from this spot and whatnot. But if it's public land, it's everyone's right to hunt it. And um. The other day, speaking of just duck hunting, because these guys were hunting, Seth and I drove to a spot near Bozeman and we got to the spot and there was a dude who was part there and he left a duck decoy under his tire. And I think that guy left that duck decoy there so people would know he was duck hunting. It's a small, small little spot, and you just I'm sorry, I was reading something. What now. So Seth and I drove to a duck hunting spot the other day. There was a guy parked in that spot and he had the decoy, left a duck decoy under his tire so people would know he was duck hunting. I think that's why he left it there. He could have just forgot it, but it is a good idea. So like, if I showed up at that spot in the morning, it's public land, you see a guy parked there. You know, it's a small spot. Give him, just give him some space, like go somewhere else in that particular area. It was like a one little pond. You know, you can't hunt, you know, did you guys slash his tires um? We left a very similar note. Photocopy that note and then leave it blank where it says burbank And then I don't know what means does he feel? What did you think that that man? The kids were hispanic? Is that what that is? What that is? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, Oh he needed to twist the knife a little bit in there, and like it sounds that that that's what that. I couldn't tell what the hell that man, but that's what he means. Yeah, I mean definitely, man, it's people just gotta stop being such assholes. Really, Like I didn't even when you were reading that, I didn't even get that he had like a little racial slur. And to finish her off. If you don't want something someone hunting your duck blind, don't put it on public land. Yeah. And if you're going to get that bent out of shape from something like that, why are you even hunting? That enjoyable for you? Well, I wouldn't gun. Yeah, Yeah, he's a little unstable. I think they have a bunch of people waiting for that. Dude Fine comes back the most riled up I've seen him the entire trip. He takes Jeddako very seriously. Someone seen the veins popping his forehead. He's getting angry. It was clear though in that that it was public land. I wasn't. It's not clear, but I'm if it was it of course it is, yeah, I mean, and if it is, there could be this I who wrote this note. He could be doing something illegal by building blinds and leaving them there. So we don't even know that. But well, he is going to be in violation because all states have one. He's in violation of his hunter harassment law. Yeah. And to me, that's not even like an etiquette thing. It's just kind of like that's a good slogan for the book and ain't etiquette. Yeah anyway, So are you're gonna put like a blind etiquette session in their section? Yeah? Um, yep. Sean Weaver is helping me out, said he would like to help me out with the duck hunting stuff, and uh, he could bring some light on that. It's great in there. I think you boys ought to put in there a little bit about skyblasts and ducks that are working someone else's spread. Oh yeah, that's gotta go in there. That's that's not very good etiquette, jettiqutte. But there's a there's a part of it, not that you're not crafty, little finger. There's a part of it that's gonna be It's almost like there's a sort of magic to it of that you're not gonna be able to spell it out clearly. Oh yeah. Like, for instance, we used to always spend the open day of duck season in the Moskegan Marsh okay, as did a lot of people Big Marsh, similar to like the horricon Marsh where but all those people that it made the duck hunting good, Like you got limits right because the birds were just flying all day because people are coming to going whatever. But you'd go out and you still have to find an appropriate spacing based on the idea of of the density of people that were in the marsh. If you went later in the year and it was an opening day, you would never and there weren't that many people out, you would never hunt as close to another party as was acceptable on opening day because of how many people are out it's hard to explain the stuff. It's hard to articulate that. It's like a big part of this is like try and use some common sense and be respectable, and that's like one of the only very hard to explain. I'm sure it's probably regional too. Yeah, but I think you know what would be a good way to do that is talk to duck hunters that we know in different states and kind of get an average of kind of what they're all saying and how to say it. And I feel like you could get something in there. You know what, I think you shouldn't put in the book because it wouldn't be applicable to enough people. But there used to be a thing in muskrat trapping where let's let's say you have a November one muskrat opener public land guys would go out ahead of season and start staking their sets as the way to claim. So you'd go to a feed bed, put your steak, go to a house, put your steak in a pre stake it and in their mind they're claiming it, but there would be nothing preventing you from coming in and wiring off to that steak. Sure, tell your your specific story to that I remember you're saying where it caved in on on his trap that was there that I had to talk a guy out of beat my ass when I was in high school. So I'll say, right what has happened. I'm not gonna say who it was. I'll tell you where it happened. There's a highway called M one. If you look on the map, find Twin Lake, Michigan and find Holton, Michigan. And one between Twin Lake and Holton Cross is a thing called Cedar Creek. There was a undercut bank, which is like mink like to run undercut banks. They they like to. They don't want they want to protect themselves from raptors and stuff lives under their frogs and crayfish and stuff was unarchas, so they're always running undercut banks. Common mink set. This is just bed your traps. That there's a half inch or an inch of water over the pan right up tight against the wall the undercut bank, because he's gonna be running along, swimming running along there. I go up to a nice like an undercut bank, and I'm digging out a trap bed and find a trap not recently died and waxed, no tag on it. I think it's a it's a trap from years past. I put it in my pack basket and I make my own set. They're thinking, I, oh, the fit failed to mention this. It was sprung and it was like down deep sprung, so I thought the bank had caved in. What ever his long old trap. I placed my own tagged trap in the exact spot. So these two mink trappers thinking like I placed my own tag trap right there. I can't reme if it was that dare. The next day, I'm at a spot making a fox set and uproars like this, like driving like he's in the Baja one thousand up to me. It doesn't go to me, though, goes to my truck. I'm across the field and he's ripping through my truck, finds his trap untagged, and then wants to beat my ass for having stole his trap and put mine are. Yeah, this guy is huge, I say, and i'd be you know, And I'm like you, don't you think I appreciate life enough to where I wouldn't do that to you? Yeah, but you didn't know it was with your leaving your info there too. Yeah, And then I leave, like my business card there. Yeah, man, put that that Chettikot book. Yeah, but that's another thing. You'd be like tag your goddamn traps because that's the way you should do it. And that's coming straight from Chester. All right, Evan, Uh, to what degree do you feel like talking? Like you're all over the news people are sending me like news articles about Black Rifle coffee company. I'll talk about whatever you want. I mean, I don't know, do you feel like talking about it? Sure, you're all on the news. I'm doing my hand jes because like your rer recent like news news. Yeah, we're prepping on i p O. So we did, uh explain to people the hell that means initial public offering or i p O is taking a couple of company public. We're doing it through um special purpose acquisition, which is a spack. So we and it's there's a couple different ways you can do it. You can do a direct listing or you can do a spack, and we went with a spack. There was a timing issue, so we we've been preparing for this for about three years, oh no, kids really four years, four years. So there's a lot of preparation that goes into this. So I started four years ago. Well, rewind seven years ago. I started the company seven years ago. I was like, can you tell people how you met your wife? Yeah? Yeah, I met her at a coffee shop, So spider in a coffee shop. Spider in a coffee shop, and then found her online stock level twenty, recognized that she was buying espresso machine and realized that's the coffee lady. Yeah, I realized it, and then chatted her up. And she's sporting some guns trying to do, uh, pull some shots on that espresso machine. Like ladies got some vascularity in her arms. She probably likes to run a bit, and uh, I was right, And that was before I started the company. But when I started it, it was you know, building a big, big company was never necessarily something that was It was gold driven for It's more of given the circumstance of the size, would be great to be able to share the success of the company with my customers. That's what I wanted to do from the very beginning. So I've always built it around what I call is self licking ice cream cone. So are you gonna write a book something with the subscription. It was always about delivering you know, fresh the freshest roasted coffee two people like straight out of the roaster. As I talked about it earlier with you, was that a coffee has about seventy two hours for it to do what's called off gas, so it's expanding through the roasting process. Then it stops, uh, and then you bag it and then you ship it out to your customer, and it has a couple of weeks in there that it really tastes good. Uh. And so I wanted people to have that and wanted to the customers to see what I saw in coffee, have this like great experience, fresh roasted coffee that was through the subscription. And I teamed up with companies early on to get discounts for you know, their gear, and a lot of it was all built around the lifestyle. So a lot of it was you know, shooting and hunting and things like that with these other brands. So if you join the subscription, you could get a discount with these other companies. It was like, well, shoot, if if I you know, Federal was one of our early companies that we did business with, so if you took a discount from Federal, there's a lot of guys that spent a lot of money on Ammo, could theoretically pay for your coffee through the entire year. So with that subscription as my original intent, and then the the second layer that was to be able to share the profits with the customers as well. So if we grew, stock goes up, h theoretically speaking, between your discounts and stock price, you should be able to pay for your coffee. So that's what I've always wanted. I've always wanted to build it that way. I didn't understand how complex it was, you know, being naive, well, being dumb when you when you really start, when you start to build these things like oh you have to go in and build basically these these financial institutions within the company that audit your financials. It's it's fairly complex and robust, robust process. Is there a thing that is there a regulatory measure that the company has a hit a certain size and revenue to go publicly? Could someone theoretically take a one company public? Is that blocked? You know what? That's a good question. I don't know. I know that what we when we were very early on, they wanted us to be bigger, uh, because they didn't feel the stock price would perform well if it was not a bigger size company, so they wanted us to hit a gross revenue number before they would they would do a direct listing or even entertain the idea. UM. But I don't know if there's a if there's a regulation that says that you have to meet X because there's a lot of companies that will go public based on a future possibility of profits, so they don't necessarily even have any profits. So probably not. But that's a good question. I don't know. So what happens to you know, Uh, well, in the next couple of months, we'll get a ticker. Um. It's all based on on the FED and when they when they approve it and then release it back, and then from that point, you know, people will be able to purchase it. They can't right now it's under a different ticker through those back but then uh, then we'll get our own ticker, probably February March depending. I don't know. It's all based on federal timing and when they're gonna sign off on it. So when you're sitting there watching business news and all the stuff going across the bottom, you'll see BRCC run across the bottom, Yes, sir, Yeah, yeah, I've watched it every day since we've announced it, but it's not every day, I guess every other day or whenever I was like look at my phone trying to figure it out. Yeah, we were deer hunting through a lot of this was that uh welcome distraction or you where you kind of wished you were like back at Command Central. There were only maybe a couple of seconds I was wishing I was back at Command Central. This is a great distraction. And it's not a distraction. It's a focus, right, it's a it's a it was I was thinking a lot about that today, where being quiet and then moving through the woods after you know, Blacktail was something I was only focused on that, so not thinking about business. You know, every minute we're talking about it or having meetings or something like that. Is it is a really good opportunity to make the announcement. Uh, then come out here because it was out here that I think the day after, I think, um, it was it was really good to get away from all of it because you can be completely absorbed in quite literally a little bit useless, uh to the the entire endeavor. It takes you know, months if not years for this stuff to mature and then move forward. There's so much work you're never going to get it done. So five days, six days, that's it's not going to mean anything grand skiing. It's like grain. It's like a grain of sand and a beach. Right, it's just kind of all absorbs. It's not. It feels like it's really important at the time. And I knew that because, you know, there were guys who are like, well, why do you want to go out there now? And I'm like, because I want to go out there and go hunting. And now that's why you don't start. You don't do this stuff. So you chained to it all the time. It was, yeah, you don't pass up an opportunity to come hunting with you know, Steve Ronnella and meat eat or you don't do that like that's it doesn't really matter. I would have had to have had some significant family issues that would have had to trump that opportunity. You know, you think about there are tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of people that would probably you know, trim a limb to do that like an individual. Yeah, so you can't squander an opportunity unless it's just absolutely something you know, traumatic that's happening in your life, because that's disrespectful to the opportunity. Ultimately, man, thank you, that's kind. Let me lay a little groundwork people, little talk like your impressions of the specifics. Uh. We years ago filmed we feel we feel a few blacktail hunts in southeast Alaska, so it's Sitka blacktail. You have columb your black tails which live in um California, Oregon, Washington. You could have been the BC and they switched them to sydical black tails. They're like they're a different creature. Uh. I mean they resemble one another, but you know, they have some morphological differences, some behavioral differences. Um. And we filmed hunting them in basically the summer, so August early September, AH when they tend to be found a pie. They kind of have a reddish coat. They're pretty easy to find, and then these things have a way of vanishing down into the into the coastal rainforest. And we filmed a hunt years ago where we tried to hit the rut um but went earlier just because it's scheduling problems and had a really tough hunt, and and I came away blaming it on timing. Oh man, we were two weeks early, right, But turns out that wasn't as tough as what we had now. And then I picked if you talk to like really good blacktail hunters, Um, there is adamant as our white tail deer hunters in the Midwest say about like first week in November, Like, if you're gonna hunt any week first week in November, it could vary because whatever, but that's like if you're gonna like go buy calendar dates a year in advance, first week in Novembers when you want to be there. But uh, there is it's substantiated. There's some lower deer numbers right now, Samantha. You were informed of this by the Tongas National Forest, right they warned you some low deer numbers. Um. You get all kinds of opinions about it. It It seems that that one of the more popular opinions about it is, uh, wolves, too many wolves, not many deer round and even places like where I've just just in my knockings around over the years, places where I know there to be trails that are generally like pretty beat down trails struck me as being moss see not beat down, and it was just it seemed like just low amounts of sign um and and then precipitation. But we had like the great opportunity, um to wander around in in virgin old growth coastal rainforest, which is something what do you think of just I mean that that whole kind of dripping mossy seen there, which isn't totally foreign to you because you grew up in in the Northwest. Yeah, I think we talked a little bit about it because it was it was stationed out of Fort Lewis and we did a lot of training in Washington State, so it reminded me of you know, those years. Uh. But it's uh, it's it's beautiful when when you're looking at it, uh and you're experiencing it, and I think there's a combination of things there which you know, to go out and experience the elements the way they are ah in this this is you know, it's cold and it's wet and it's green and everything's what. But to become part of that environment where you get to just experience everything about it, um, you know, I I truly love those opportunities. I don't think that if you're if you're not enjoying the environment because of the moisture, you're you're not enjoying the entire immersive experience for a lack of a better definition. So it's hard to get into, um, you know, lamenting about what you're doing when you're in such a wonderful, beautiful place where everything about it is giving you this this experience that you should be you know, soaking up for a lack of a better term, like a sponge and instead of wishing it were otherwise, Oh, I didn't wish for a second it would be otherwise. That's that that would be. There are times I get guilty that a little bit now and then we're just wishing it wasn't raining. Oh I do, I do? But then I instantly catch myself. I'm like, well, that would take away from the experience because the funny thing is about as I'm wishing is not raining. How do I always describe it to people. It's a coastal rainforest, right, yeah, it's like temperate rainforest. It's beautiful. It's beautiful, and then you go there in the rains, I'm like, damn, we're good. I was wishing it was otherwise were the rain. I was wishing that you guys had seen more dear. Yeah, um, yeah, I don't know even that. Nope, I still dear. I think that made the story better. Yeah, eventually because a little it was looking like, you know, we we kept at it, I mean, how to sell people. So I was we hunted four full days dark to dark. Um, I saw two dos and then and that's moving, NonStop moving, calling, moving, calling like like hunting, hunting up high down, whoa in between? It was tough man. Um, you spent a much time in the military. Uh and and I always like, maybe it's not true, but I always imagine the military that the people who excelled in the military have like, um, developed like a level of discipline that I don't have, mental mental discipline that I don't have, but I noticed that you would. It just be like against your upbringing to have complained or brought up that we weren't seeing things. Yeah. Absolutely, Yeah, you just do not something you're gonna do. I started after a few days, I'm like, I don't think he's gonna do that. I'm glad he's not gonna do it. And I don't think he's going to do that. No, No, it goes back to the whole thing like this is a you know, this is an incredible opportunity, right, And I was explaining this, I think it was yesterday or something like that, like, you know, you're you're part of American history at this point, you and the brand and the people that you bring in, You're part of American outdoors and history. So for me just to sit out here and get the opportunity to go out and hunt with you, I would be foolish if not, like really remiss to to you know, cherish this opportunity and say, man, I'm getting I get to hunt with Steve, like how many other people in America? Like going back to that same point as making want to do that, if not internationally, So you know, I get to watch you in your environment as an American you know, outdoor icon, and then get to share several days with you in this you know, incredible place where regardless of how much it rained or you know, if you're cold or whatever, it might be Like that's part of it. Like I get to you know, live those five days Like what a what a what an incredible gift? And so if I would have been like dude, we're not seeing a lot of deer. That's not why I'm here. I'm not here. Yeah, no ship. And it's like, oh you wish you were seeing more. Yeah, like master the obvious, you've been like, yeah, no ship, you're not seeing any deer. So it's you know, it is it's it's hunt. It's it's that it's hunting. And you know, I've had a lot of really cool life experiences that you know, and this, this will live up there with those those experiences, you know. So for me, it was just like, yeah, hey, we're hunting. This is great, so dark dark great, extend the daylight, Let's walk a little bit more, let's have you know, I have a little bit more time in the field, because it wouldn't be the same if it wasn't really respected. So you know, that's one thing that is you know, truly thankful for. And I thank you guys for really inviting me because it was incredible time. And I really can't thank you enough for for for allowing me that opportunity because it's incredible. You know, I can sit here and say that the more I think about it, I um, if you don't count a dead one, I never did see a buck. No, we were set up calling and Dirt said he saw the flick of a tailway stopped. Yeah, And I could tell by his like, and then attention was focused in the way that I couldn't see, and I could. It's funny because all I could, I can just like see you you Evan, and I could read by your like whatever posture I could read you seeing it. I could read you um knowing that there would soon potentially be a shot opportunity. I could see through your posture the shot opportunity present itself. And I never saw the deer until he walked up on it. But it's like it was like I was watching it just by watching, sort of like the muscle tension or something in like I'm like, that is the sort of physical tightening of a man who just saw dear. I'll go back to something, which is, like you said, there's like a level of discipline right where you're talking about, like level of discipline that you know some guys in the military get if they're you know, they're professional soldiers. I think you know, any any person that comes to that, I would say fractions of a percentile within their profession. It takes a significant amount of discipline. It just does. And you know, seeing you out there and then seeing you like I've been around a ton of guys that are masters of their profession and you can see it. You're you're part of that. Like really small fraction of people have a ton of discipline. So I think that that's that was one thing I was. I was It was very um in awe of I was like just looking at how you're working the entire scenarios throughout those days of hunting and then looking at you and saying, oh yeah, Like I thought about it multiple times. It's like, if Steve was in the Army, he would have been an adult force guy. Like, if he was in the arm he would have been Delta Delta Force. Yeah, Darren would have been with me dragging our knuckles. He would have been a machine gunner. It's just like Dirty Booth in the Conversar. Black Market gets so laser focused and the pursuit of what you're going for. It was it was really Ah, it's not it doesn't pay the right respect to the term, but it is not only interesting, but man, it gave me a whole new level of kind of what you do as a profession. It does like it gives me an entirely, entirely different perspective. Thank you, man, Touch on real quick before you wrap up, touch on shrimping. Those things are delicious. They're incredibly delicious. Um. The thevarience of going out on the water, because I haven't been out on on the water ton. I've spent a little bit of time in the ocean. Uh, but going out, we spent a lot of time on rivers, a lot of time on rivers and ocean. Yeah, you know, going out and and you know, experiencing the ocean with you understand that you have much more confidence in the boat and your skills than I do. Uh what confidence in your boat and your skills? It's a joke, falls it's me saying I don't. He has a lot of confidence everybody else in that big water. Uh. Now I think it's Uh, it's worked too. I can imagine, you know, dumping those pots, and then I kept thinking about the manual process of dragging those things up after you dumped them, because you're talking about those guys as old shrimpers pulling those pots up without that assist man the hand pull smaller ones, and it was you know, it's it's like recreational, but it gives you sort of a glimpse. It gives you a glimpse into the commercial life. You get worn out trying to coil most Yeah, it's like my arms got tired just trying to throw the rope into a perfect circle. You took to that fast though. Just filming you guys the shrimp and when you guys were in action together, it was like after the first pot pulling, it was like we're like Bubba Gump. Yeah, all right, Well that's what I like about him because he's like, oh, that's how you do it. He just explains it and then he expects you to know. It's like you've been doing it for ten years. You guys around here, through this and around that, and then you just hit the switch. You get okay, we're going you know what do you say? I don't even know are we in the woods, are we on the water? I don't even know where the hell we're at right now. And uh know that that tire process was so so cool, um, you know, the shrimping itself and be able to rip those things apart. That's probably one of the most satisfying things outside of like you know, pushing in bubble wrap, like tearing shrimp heads apart. It's almost it's almost as cool as pop bubble. Seth and I were talking about It's like, man, I could do this for a couple of hours before I get sick of it, cause you're the playing game like I want to get all of it, and then you're thinking about how delicious those things are. I don't care how hard it is to lift that. It's called yeah, it's called popping heads. Yeah. Uh, you know, I want to tell people about the thing that that we did for cooking that I thought was cool and I had different I've honestly never seen it. I don't know that's how it worked. But you had what do you call the beans? Green? Yeah? They're green. Yeah, so they're green beans, green coffee beans. Yeah, from Ethiopia and over like a we we have a boiler we use outside the boil you know, it's like a people use some deep fried turkeys. And we used to boil crabs um big propane fired burner the river blaster and uh, it took the beans which looked like they're like khaki colored. I don't know, can you wouldn't look at it? You look at and think you're looking at it like a like a like a yeah, like you think you're looking at a lentil, but it's a coffee bean. And then in a cast iron pan over that outdoor burner, slowly and methodically over how many minutes you think it takes. That one took us a while. It took us twenty five minutes, give or take which the classic cast there and skillet turned him into like those glossy dark coffee beans, man, not turned them into but roast rolls them over fire and then um, immediately and all you said it like ideally let him sit a few days. We didn't do that. We didn't do it. Immediately ground them and then made like a coffee rube. That was just some brown sugar, salt, coffee, pepper, pepper. Yeah, and uh, I eat a lot of you know, like every time taking Harry in the planet sells some kind of coffee rub right, you run into it. But man, that tasted like coffee. Yeah, that was a good coffee rub. I would suggest people to do that. Get like really like make it from scratchy and not with your old ground up ship you got in the cupboard. Well you gotta make it. If I have one suggestion for guys making coffee rubs out there, which I've made several, is you get a light hole being coffee and you grind it. You got to use what the reason I say a light roasted coffee is because whatever you're gonna put it in, whether it's a pan or oven or wherever you're gonna go, it's gonna it will cook the coffee. More So, if it's already a really dark French rusted coffee or something like that and it's already been ground, you're not getting the additional layers of taste that you would from a lighter coffee that you have to grind and then put in to your coffee rub that also continues to roast on the meat because you wanted to have a little bit of time on the meat while it's roasting and not burning it into char. That makes sense. And if you're already on the cusp of burnt, yeah, it just turns more burnt. And that's why I think a lot of people don't use a lot of coffee in their coffee rubs because they haven't been able to put enough coffee in there where it doesn't turn into just really burnt, acidic char It just doesn't taste very good. Most of the coffee rubs that use a lot of coffee, they don't appeal to me. But if I use a really lightly roasted coffee, freshly grinded before I put it in the rub, that's when it always gets better because you can taste your point. You can taste the coffee in the rub. It was, it was, It was nice, like tasted coffee in a very nice way. On dear tenor one. Oh, then there's one last hot coffee tip. I want you to give people. Uh, when someone asked if you want light, medium or dark, thought they were giving you escalating caffeine levels. That's not true. Explain that it's a myth. So raise your hand if you in this room, raise your hand. If you thought like I did, until when you know about caffeine levels, that light, medium, dark was like increasing caffeineness. No, I thought it was all the same caffeine. I just thought, like a dark roast is like your real like bitter strong coffee. They had anything to do how much caffeine was in there. I didn't think it was a measurement of caffeine. I assumed that like, the darker it got, the more of it was in there, the more of everything, And that's not it's not true. So you're your lightest coffee and there's some um wait, there's a there's a white coffee, which is it's barely roasted, and that has the most caffeine program and then if you go light, medium, dark, it has the most caffeine. If you're in a light coffee versus a dark coffee, because as you roast the coffee, you're burning it, so you have less of the intact coffee bean. So you're deconstructing the caffeine as you're burning it, and you're making smoke and carbon. Yeah yeah, yeah, exactly. So if you want more caffeine, you need to have a lighter coffee. Uh. And it's interesting because a lot of people they think that, they're like, I want a dark roasted coffee with lots I want I want something really strong. Well, it's a strong flavor, but it doesn't have as much caffeine. Um. I drink really like coffees, not because I like the caffeine. It's because I like to taste the coffee itself and not just burnt. Once one thing that I have noticed is when I go to my normal coffee spot, I usually get a dark roast from that, and then almost every little cafe that I go to, you know, some mom and pops, greasy spoon cafe, it always seems like a lighter roast coffee at these places because people don't like them super dark. And it seems like I always get way more jittery and like feel more caffeineated at these mom and pop stores. And it's probably because you're drinking more cups. No, well, it could be two things. Because there's guy that owns the coffee company. There's two, there's two. Well, I'll I'll be like, well, I don't know if I was just saying no, because I don't know if I'll tell you the reason. So here's the reason why is less expensive coffee is a Robusta. It's it's a different strain. There's two main strains, Robusta and Arabica. So if you look at the two main branches, Arabica has we'll call it less caffeine than the Robusta, but the Arabica is more expensive. So the Robusta hit me again. I want to make sure I remember, so you have two main streams of coffee, Arabica and Robusta. Robusta is less expensive, but it has more caffeine. It's a smaller bean, it's less expensive, and it has more caffeine. Arabica is typically more expensive and has less caffeine. But Arabica you can get better tastes out of it, so you can increase the profile, so you're better. Coffee shops are typically going to serve in Arabica. Your diners are gonna typically serve a Robica or a Robusta, And so that's why you feel more jittery, is because they're using a different caffeine or a different bean. M When you get that, I think that's pretty cool because I always wonder why that's the reason, because you can buy it in bulk, and a lot of the less expensive coffees that are out there, you're gonna buy them in like five pounds bags, and a lot of the diners are going to go for the less expensive option through a food vendor, and you know that's what they're gonna use. And they're and they're not using proper water to coffee ratios either, which is totally different conversation. But sure, we don't need it. We just lost half your podcast after after Chester does the check at book, yeah, which we still haven't. Okay, he's gotta go through all the channels. He's gonna get his project green lit. Yep, we have green lit. Well, let's say he gets a green lit. Okay, he's gonna do that. He's gonna go on and have all the other adventures in life, and then he's gonna open a place called Chester's Egg Factory, and it's gonna be a breakfast coffee place. He's gonna serve robust. Of course. Then you guys will show up more because he gave you. Guys, we got those free totals. Don't be telling people about because people. I don't want people breaking into my house and take my free toe a man. Oh yeah, that's a lifetime token. Yeah, it's lifetime. I gotta say to When the rub you made was when we had coffee this morning wrapping up, there was an aha moment of how good that was. It's really good, right, just because it was so freshly roasted. And then one more thing, yep, something special about the blacktail. Dear place to see relic with that, Ladies and gentlemen join us next time on the Meting Podcast. Thanks everybody,

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