00:00:00 Speaker 1: This is the Meat Eater podcast or broadcasting. We're not broadcasting. We're recording in Napa Valley, California. And where where I'm drinking the cours drinking a Coors and Napa Valley, California. But but I'm here with um J Honese. Tell us he's drinking himself some red wine. Is that the fancy red wine we just got drinking very fancy red wine. Mike wash Leski drinking very fancy red wine. Last night he was drinking beam and coke, which is very not fancy. He's not drinking fancy red wine. We're in nap because we're hunting. Uh, this isn't what we're talking about tonight. But we're in nap because we're here hunting turkeys. And this morning, Um, I killed the UH world's most biggest cage ist while he unkillable turkey to have ever graced God's green Earth? Would you agree with that? You know? Yes? For real? Rio Grande turkeys, cag turkey, kg Rio Grande turkey. This turkey, I don't love how, I don't know how much I want to get into this, just so it was it was a cool turkey hunt. Oh it's it's what it's textbook, it's what you want. We didn't get to waltson there call him right in off the ruse. We had to set up on him three different times. He gave us the old loop de lube. You know. We decided to change positions. Next time we call, he gobbled from literally probably standing where you were sitting next to that. Yeah, I'll I keep trying to prevent myself from getting into talking about this turkey much. We're gonna talk about something different, but um, this turkey man. I was calling him, and every time I call, he just gobbled, you know. And that gives you a power trip as a turkey caller, because turkeys all they do is manipulate you. And when you realize that you're manipulating a turkey, you can't help yourself but not do it. It would be like if you push the button, you know, and and some machine, I don't want to say inflated you, but some machine gave you a BackRub. Right, you keep pushing the damn button and when you got a time, that's just gobbling like mad. Every time you call. You call too much. So we finally decided to move and maybe we can call him in a different direction, or maybe there's something hanging him up that we can't tell what's hanging him up. And we move, and that that prevented me from calling for fifteen minutes. So I'm silent for fifteen minutes. By the time we move and get set up again, and I call that gobbler calls. They yeah, from like probably right where I was had been sitting the whole time, because he got to be like, I can't believe that Hen Gobbler, or that I can't leave that Hen turkey is ignoring me, and he went down there. So then I proceeded to call to him again too much, and eventually started checking my watch and trying to make myself let ten minutes go by without calling. And then that turkey showed up and he got shot, big old long spurs, one of them was busted off. The honest was jealous inch and a half plus thick basses. He was a warrior. You know. We're joined by Mike wash Leski of the Texas Coal Hunters Association. I know so little about Texas hunting that I thought that was a real sticker. No, yeah, I mean it's a real sticker. It's a real t shirt. Explain, um, try to explain why that's funny. The Texas Call Hunters Association is a mean I got it from a buddy of mine who I go hunting with, and it's might means yeah, yeah, in an apartment still yeah, drinking beer and uh you know, showing up at the appointed time and uh, you know, seeing what shows up. So yeah, you know, I mean that's that's what's afforded to me. So I take advantage of it. And uh so the the Texas Coal Hunters Association is it's not really an association. It's more of a response to all the guys with pickup trucks that have you know, these stickers like what is the trophy trophy, you know, trophy hunting Texas. Yeah, well, I'm sure there are a bunch of nice guys, but it's more of about the you know, it's you can't eat the antlers, and it's a response to the fact that you know, some people hunt for the meat and even though we do it, you know in our looking Yeah, yeah, well I mean it is yeah, you know, you know, it's it's for us. And where I go in Rock Spring, Texas, it's it's game management and you know, it's not I'm not allowed to shoot the bucks that show up. So it's just this giantees. You know, they're constantly rolling in there, and it's just like, wow, that guy is gonna be great a couple of years and that guy is really great. And so how can you determine who's a cold buck? Uh? Well, it's based on the biologist comes out to the my buddies place, who has is a you know, has a share in this like eight thousand acres and so they just want to bring people up to speed. So let's say you got a chunk of ground. You're trying to manage it because you want big, huge bucks, right, Um, so you tell dudes who are hunting out there not to shoot the box because you want them to grow up to be big. But cold buck and I don't really I understand. It's a little bit. But Mikeson explained great detail. A cold buck would be a buck that you, um, you're selecting out. You're doing like selective breeding like a farmer rancher might. Yes, you know, like you got a buck with bad some kind of undesirable characteristic, right, like he'll have not a symmetrical rack, or he could be um, you know, five or six years old with only you know, two forks like thick base but just like nothing that's you know, special, and they hang a tag on these ones or something. No, no no, there's no tax. Nobody's nobody's actually tracking the animals. The biologist doesn't fly by an he looks at the health of the herd and stuff. He's like, you need to take this much from this parcel of land as far as like this many does. And so I'm not a family member, so I don't get to hunt the bucks. They get to you know, they get to you know, if they want to, they can go out there and they're a lot of just based on the population, you know, you can take this many mature bucks. And so they you know, that's for you know, their family, you know, I guess higher level family friends and you know family members and stuff. But so I said, now, I mean I go out there and I help work to lant and stuff, and I get to take his you know, my allotment of does so well this you're sitting out there and shut that's different property. Yeah, that's that's my dad's friends, uh place in junction, and that that is that is entirely different. I mean, that guy doesn't even haunt. Let's just just go out there and you know, see what kind of wildlife is around. But you know that you're able to make the call on what's a cold buck well. I mean, there's if they trust you to be like, oh, that one's not symmetrical. Well, they have game camps and you're like, well this guy right here, look for this dude. You know, they're like, they're kind of inspecting them and stuff. They're like and and I'm terrible at what is it aging on the hoof? Right? I mean? Is that the term and stuff feel right? And so I feel, you know, I never really feel um, you know, comfortable. I'm like, because you know, I'm like, well, that guy, you know, he's the wrong shade of brown. I should probably shoot him. And that's not necessarily the right thing to do, So you know, I always feel really just real tentative about even doing that. And I had an opportunity this past year, and then three elk run run and and scared everything away. The one I was about to take. Yeah, yeah, three they were yeah, and they thought that they had gone off the property, but they I guess there's a you know, flourished, not I wouldn't say flourishing, but a small population that is starting to grow. So they're trying to help them out. So yeah, those are definitely off limits. But um so, I mean dear to shoot this year in Texas. I think three dolls November. But I have a feeling though, just to speak to his Cold U Hunters Association, that it could help you get more hunting rights or access at some point. Right it's like cast around. They're like, yeah, this guy likes to just come out and shoot. Does like me. Someone might say, Oh, nobody in our family does that, you know, you know, well, I mean my buddy was just he was like, I'm I'm tired of having to shoot all these deer and cleaning myself. And so you know, he's he's brought his friends, you know, out for the past couple of years, and so you know, I help, you know, with with you know, taking care of the you know, the water and uh we build like you know, rain cashment systems for the livestock and or the agg exemptions and stuff, and you know kind of take care of the lot of the the you know, the animals and what we can do just in general to help him out throughout the year. Especially they've had some really bad drought for the past couple of years, so it's you know, they're just getting kind of hammered and just helping them with protein and stuff like that so that they can sustain through the really hard times. So you know, in that situation, he just got tired of being the only guy in his family that really hunted and had to manage the property because they just hit the rest of his family members just come out there and just like oh yeah, that buck right there and bam, you know, as opposed to like, you know, putting the time in through the rest of the year to you know, do all the the hard work, you know. And uh so, yeah, that's kind of where that's that's why I do. I mean, you know, it puts meat and my freezer, and you know, we don't we don't walk anywhere. We take a plaris and roll up there, and i'd i'd probably I want to do the same thing. Man. It's definitely well if I yeah, like if I live some and the guys like, hey, someone's gonna shoot these deer, Yeah, you want to come to shoot him and have him right, yeah, And and that's you know, I mean I don't own property, and so that's you know, have the least. And so that's how I landed gentry. Turn from history class. The landed gentries just passed down through generation, right yeah, and that's and I don't you know, I'm not afford the opportunity, so you know, like yeah, come out and poor Mikey he spends a lot of time running around the woods an army surplus. Do definitely don't have a big old ranch. Definitely, don't you know yan Yanni's idea about that? You know, still this is the still isn't you? Still don't you listeners still don't know what this podcast is about because it's not about this. But Yannie had an interesting point where Texas Coal Hunters Association would be a way you'd get in on hunting. And it reminds me this dude, I know, and this isn't what the podcast is about either, but this dude I know who has started this group called Backyard bow Bro. If you like in you got all these people in suburban environments right like bowl only areas, you know, we can only hunt with a boat, like for instance, like most of Long Island, New York. Right, that's not where he's at, but it's a place like you can bow hunt, you can't go on hunt. So he started this group where the group you become a member of Backyard bow Pro. And to become a member of Backyard bow Pro you gotta go through a background check and you gotta pass archery proficiency test. So mugs who have problems with white tailed deer and their orchards or in their gardens whatever and wish they could get rid of some white tailed deer call Backyard bow Pro and get teamed up with a dude who is like a reputable guy who's demonstrated proficiency with his boat, so he's been vetted to take care of the in a crank it out on deer hunting permissions. Northering they do is they got people who don't and won't hunt, and they'll go out and get the place right the permission hunt deer caught up some of the deer, bring the landowner venison to try. Then they use it also for fundraiser stuff. They keep some they give us on the food banks, but they'll bring in like they don't bring it. They'll go get the stuff processed and bring ready to eat processed meat to places, you know, and give up. And then they've had people who are like, I've always hated hunters, you know, blah blah blah. I can't like, I never knew how'd be in this situation and now like they're eating venison off their own land. How long have they been around? Years? Yeah, I don't think a decade, but I mean I've I've known him for several years. He's been doing it, and he was doing it when I met him. That's interesting, that sounds I mean, that's just a good idea. Was Dude's name is Joe Lasher. He's out of North Carolina. Awesome nicer. Now, oh that, No, before you tell the listeners what the podcast is gonna be about, let's get a quick break. Yanni's so good at announcing those brakes. You're back with the Meat Eator podcast. What we're doing. We did. This is the second one of these. We didn't and people liked it. Man, it was popular, and I liked it because, um, it brings up a lot of great things to discuss. Is like, because of the TV show Meat Eater and various other things like web stuff and social media stuff. There's questions that come in all the time where guys have questions about honey, and they're varied. It's everything like have you ever eaten uh koala? Bear to these like really deep ethical questions, and and it's funny because you see the same ones come in versions of the same ones come in over and over and over again. So it gives you like a really targeted way hus you meaning me, a really targeted way to have a discussion about hunting that is specifically addressing questions that people have all the time. I got this gigantic list of questions. For instance, there's two people have asked I'm I'm just giving you for instance of what kind of questions flowing. So just recently, two different people I'm assuming they don't know each other, wrote in to ask about eating groundhogs. You know, so that's like, for whatever reason, eating groundhogs is on people's mind. I've never eaten one. I've killed a couple for for the bounty, meaning bounty. Like when I was a kid, I would do some contract I guess almost like contract assassinations of animals. People would have problems with an animal, and I would charge them to go get it damage control, animal damage control. And I remember one time I did a groundhog and got fifteen bucks for it and took it out camping. We were going out soccer fishing and camping, and I took my groundhog with me um because I thought we'd eat it, and we never ate it. And I'm ashamed to say now that groundhog went to waste, that it's got my cash for him in life, you guys never eating ground hug never. No, there's no reason. I'm just gonna dispatch a bunch of these questions right now and just say like people are like people always ask like is blank edible? To answer is yes, I don't think there's any there's no bird that's not edible. You know, there's no inedible bird. I don't think there's an inedible mammal. Is there anything that's poisonous? Like, I don't know. I don't know what people mean when they ask if it's edible, good is it? Is it worth? But that's not what I think when I think edible, Like somebody will be like be like, hey, how's that new restaurant, Like, oh, it's edible. That means like the restaurant sucked or it was mediocre, But when people say, like, is a groundhog edible? I just saying is it delicious? Or will you die after eating it? You know, that's a good point. It might be one of each. If we have two questions that came in. One person might be asking about the taste, and you know, they might be asking if they're gonna die if they eat it. It carries diseases. I think that's on people's mind a lot of times while game. You know, yeah, there's that stigma of like, hey, it's wild, I could have some bad had stuff going on. The groundhogs a member of the squirrel family. I've eating other members of the squirrel family. There's nothing gonna be wrong in the groundhog. But you just have to ask yourself, like, if you're gonna go eat a groundhog or a skunk or fox or whatever, what are you hoping to get out of it? If you're hoping to get out of it that it tastes good, good being food in a popular restaurant. If it's gonna be that good, you've probably heard of people eating it to a degree. If you mean good, as in, will you be glad about the experience and having satisfied your curiosity and having a sort of enhanced understanding of food and wildlife and all that kind of stuff. Then yeah, it's gonna be great. It's like, what's the worst that's gonna happen to you? It's just you don't like it. It's so you cook the groundhog and then you eat some and you're like, hey, that's about as bad as I think I could get. All right, well then, but I feel like a lot of people listening to this are probably saying their heads, we're out loud. That groundhogs, you know, those big colonies, what do you call them? They No, you're thinking prairie dog. Oh so they're thinking like groundhogs chucks got all right, but let's flip it over. Let's flip it over the prairie dogs. I cleaned the prairie dog ones, right, but they're going to carry the plague. Ye, so squirrel, so squirrel, So he's gotta cook it, right, Yeah, you're not gonna get the plague from eating it. Hand. I would sleep with it under my covers. It's dead carcass under my covers. Solve it's mites are jumping off and like making homes in my hair. No, if that's what you mean by edible. No, no, dude, seriously, the groundhog thing I've eaten murde that movie Unforgiven. Yeah, in the end when uh Clint Ease with his character is gonna kill a little bill and little bills like, oh, you're just you've been killing women and children, And Clint eas was like, you know, I've killed everything that's ever walked or crawled. I've eaten most evidence walked or crawled somehow, I miss I haven't. I haven't eaten a ground hug yet. Well, now curious, Yeah, you're telling me exactly what's gonna taste like. Man, it's gonna taste like I don't know, beaver without the castor. It can't be too far from beaver. It's gonna be like beaver, but sometimes beaver meat, which I'm a fan of and which is good, very edible, It's great. Who was just raping about that? Did you serve it to your mother in law? Brian Callen? Brian cant the funny Brian, the very funny and beautiful Brian Callen? Who? Who? How do I put it? I just I saw him in his um fullness, in the act of urinating up. I thought you're gonna plug his comedy. That's not He in the middle of of urinating and came up to show me, um, let's go on to the next question. Showed us, all, Yanni, you grab a couple of you like out of here, I will, Oh, here's one. This kind of stuff comes in all time. Not to belittle it. It's not belittling it, it's complimenting it. I've been looking to take my son on a hunting trip, was wanting to options on. I would like to take him either bear or moose hunting, but he had the mortgage's house to afford it. Could I recommend an outfitter that's reasonable in price? Or where would you go on the public hunt? You know, I can't recommend you outfit it's reasonable in price. The outfitters that I'm friends with, the handful of outfitters that I'm friends with, the handful of outfitters that I would say, like, man, you ought to go hunting with that dude? Are are are are very very very expensive. They're very good, and they're very expensive. And I think I kind of know them and become ends with them because maybe I, you know, I have friends that admire them, or I admire their their work ethic and their skill set, you know, on their knowledge and what they bring to it, and all that stuff costs tons of money. I don't know, I no, the guys that know are just super expensive. But it's like they're super expensive because they're so good, you know. And there's people that do cookie cutter stuff like I think, if you want to go on a cheap bear hunt, you go to these sort of almost like black bear hunt factories up in Canada where they're running a bazillion bear baits, you know, and they'll load up like a van full of hunters and take you all out and drop you off at this like spacing on Crown Lands, Government Lands. You know, they drop one of you every five miles and you're going to hunt a bear bait, and then when you get done, you walk out to the road and then you might be sitting there two hours while they come and pick you all back up again and bring you back to eat spaghetti and meatballs. Those are cheap. I would just do your own hunt, man, because it's like you're saying you want to go on a hunt with your son, which is fantastic, man, But I bet you your kid, like your kid would want to get something, but your kid also probably wants to be with as old man and like a comfortable environment, you know. And if you're going on on I out fit it hunt, you don't know what's up. I mean, you don't know what kind of environment it's gonna be for your kids. That's what I would think with my son. Like if my son's four and a half, so he's all the fish, but he's not on enough to hunt, you know. And I just took my son to my brothers to fish, and we we I took my son to mild City to fish with my brother and my brother lives. And this isn't like a big romanic hunt. We're fishing small small mouth catfish, small walleye sager. Right, A four fish day is a good day. He caught four fish one day, he caught a couple of our day, caught it one the other day. He had a blast because he's with me, he's with my brother, Everyone around him loves him. We go at his own pace. You know. If i'd have if i'd have flown him somewhere and like speaking of fishing, like I'm like, oh, we're gonna go somewhere and catch it. Blue Marlin. I don't think it would. I don't know that what it would have meant to him, because little kids. I don't know how old your kid is. Yeah, I was gonna say, I was just looking at this question. He might, for all, you know. Yeah, I'm answering it. I'm so myopic, man, I'm only answering it from the perspective of having a little kid. But you're probably if you're looking to take him hunting, he might. He's an older than mine. But the point being, I guess part of the point being that I did. Kids feed off your own excitement. Yeah, you know, and they could tell when they're being They could tell when they're being be asked. You know, I got an answer for him. He's in Iowa, he's not that far to drive out west. You're gonna a real answer. Yeah, moose, it's definitely gonna be more expensive than a bear hunt. But you know what I want to interrupt, Go ahead, put in what's not expensive is like, if you're in Iowa, put in for a couple of the western state moose hunts, are put in for the main New Hampshire moose hunts. Yeah, it's too much of a long shot. I recommend I'm talking about has to mortgage his house. You don't really have to. You just have to plan like we've Like you said it before. It's what's important. Everybody, you know, can find money in their budget to go hunting if they want to plan a hunt five years from now, hopefully everybody's still able enough to go hunting and do that hunt and put away whatever it takes five bucks, you know, a hundred bucks a month for the next five years, and you will be on a fantastic hunt. A bet. Yeah, that's true. That's like I'm gonna start a business where I come in and audit people's life in order to find them more money to go hunting with. I'll just come in and look at how you spend you know, what would you call that need you catching? Then Steve's money finding service Hunt, Steve's hunting money finding service. Maybe you got like a pool, a backyard pool, but let's sell. Let's fill that pool in getting money. And I feel like as far as I worked for a couple of different outfitters, and the Elk outfit or that worked for, we had a very affordable hunt. I felt like, especially for the quality that they got, I don't know if that's the norm out there to get the quality of cooks and guides and service that we gave for an archery hunt for twenty dollars. But I feel like outfitters, if you're just trying to if you're trying to get a bargain, you're probably gonna get that in return in your you know, in the service that you get. It's gonna be a little bit of a bargain. You know, it's not gonna be you're not getting the the top quality stuff. So if you're gonna drive out for a moose hunt or a bear hunt, you know, again, stave with just a little bit more money, dude, and do some research. It's not that hard these days the internet. You know, call references, call people that have been there and hunted, get some names and numbers, ask about the guides. You know what else, be a good idea ask yourself. If you're interested in hunting cow moves, there you go. You might wind up getting a way bargain, a way bargain deal and you might be able to go at an off season time, or if you're willing to do a spike hunt. There's a lot of moose hunts they're like, uh, you know, they're like like in a in a turn, Mic could understand their coal hunts, go out and do spike you know, spike fork moves to a cow hunt. Because a lot of times when you buy, when you do a hunt, like a lot of times what you're when you see an expensive hunt, like for instance, it's a dream of mine to go hunt stone sheep someday you see stone sheep hunts, or what you're paying for is this tag because the guy, the outfitter, gets like two or three of these tags every year. So if you want to go on a stone sheep hunt, you're not paying Like you're not paying for the guiding service. You're buying a tag from a guy that's expensive. When you see a twenty dollar elk hunt, it's not that the guide is like giving you massages and stuff. It's like you're buying a very expensive tag. Kind of that's a way to think about it. So if you're willing to go and hunt in an area that doesn't produce big bears, it's going to be cheaper. If you're willing to do a cow hunt or or a spike fork bull moose hunt, you're gonna be saving all that tag money. You know, all right, what's my take on environmental issues. I'm an environmentalist. I mean generally, I'm always on the side of the environment. That's why I'm a political unich Man, because I feel like you have we have a we have one political party that seems willing to piss away certain hunting rights and piss away gun rights, and we have another political party that in general seems willing to piss on our hunting and fishing lands. It's hard man like, like if if yeah, I'm an environmentalist, I don't want and it's now you're suppose. Now it's like you're painted as a radical if you want clean air and clean water and good hunting and fishing lands, It's like, oh, these radical communists who don't think we should poison the water. I'm just like, yeah, I like clean air, clean water. I like wildlife. I think that wildlife is worth being It's like worth enough to warrant being inconvenienced by I remember it. I just recently reread elderly Upholds Sand County Almanac, and he has a line in there and he's talking about this guy that wrote Spook in the forties. He has a line in there where he's talking about um that like that the country has become like a hypochondriac where we're so worried about our economic well being, we're so fearful of our economic health that we've become incapable of being healthy, you know, like a hypochondract They can't be healthy because it's just so worried that something's wrong with them. You know, I don't think that the right answer is always what's best for the economy. And I also am a little bit and and I know, and I'm familiar with arguments about arguing the economic value of hunting and fishing, which is tremendous. There's a tremendous economic value to hunting and fishing and a tremendous economic value to wildlife. And I can give that argument. I can make that argument. But I also realized that that are that. I also realized that it's bigger than It's a bigger issue than that. If I need to sell you on having healthy wildlife and having clean air and clean water based on just financial matters, based on economics, I'm gonna lose my own argument. It's way bigger than that. It's way more important than that. No one ever said to me, Uh, you know, if you take good care of your kids, you'll make a lot of money. You know, No, taking a care of your kids cost money. Um, have ever come across the game animal? What was that one? Sorry? Oh, here's a good one. How do you deal with really hardcore anti gun people? We're talking about this today. It depends on how hardcore. I don't argue. I'll have conversations with but I don't argue with vegans because you're not gonna change their mind. If someone comes to me and they says like, I'm absolutely adamantly opposed to any ownership of firearms whatsoever. Right, I don't know where I'm gonna get. I don't know where I'm gonna get. I have some luck having this discussion with people who have very hypocritical perspectives on guns, being like that the guns they like are okay, but the guns that other people like are not okay. You know that's easy to easy to combat and I don't. But you know it's funny because I'm not put up against it as much. I mean, do you spend you guys spend a lot of time having like arguments about whether it's okay that you have a gun or not. No, but we don't. I feel like I definitely try to defend uh, just generally any kind of you know, general gun ownership. When people say, all right, well you have a hunting bolt action rifle, why should we let anybody have like a rifle that can shoot, you know, have a fifty round clip on it where you can just shoot away. Yeah, that was that. That's like I used to struggle with a lot of these questions like that. And there's a couple of points people made to me that help me kind of understand the issue better. Is that the Second Amendment has absolutely nothing to do with hunting. Like when they drew that up, they weren't thinking about protecting your right to go hunting. No, they had nothing to do with hunt. But then like some guys are real critical of hunters, was like, like there's even a term like a fud fud it would be a dude like you and me that does say hunts with the bolt action rifle. It's like you're behind the times, You're like elmer fudd. I think that's I think that's kind of what that means. Another thing was when you if people would say, like, oh, you shouldn't have a high capacity, You shouldn't have an assault rifle, right, But then other people would look at the rifle I have and say, well, is it okay that you have a sniper's rifle? And it is. Man, It's like, I have rifles that are capable of shooting a thousand yards in the right hands. So it's like, you got an assault rifle, you got a sniper's rifle. It's like, I think you could paint all this stuff in crazy ways. So it's hard to answer the question. But yeah, it's something I think about all the time, but I don't It just doesn't come up in my life that I have arguments with really hardcore anti gun people. I remember, like kind of like how to dispatch. A friend of mine was relating a story where my friend's wife was with a friend of hers and her friends said, I would never let my children go play at a house that had guns in the house, And my friend's wife said, well, you better not let them come play at my house. You know, that's probably like the extent of the extent of the conversation because I just I just don't think you're gonna win it. Maybe someone who's really good is gonna win it. But this question is really hardcore anti gun people. Well, I think some people have misconceptions about firearms in general, and that's kind of what we were talking about Elier today is or what we were talking about as far as hunter education and how that kind of can dispel the myth as far as you know, just knowledge in general about firearms as they are as they are. And I think a lot of people are like, oh, there's guns in the house, so they think that they're hidden under the couch, you know, fully loaded in cabinets, in a cereal box, you know, and that's not where it is. You know. That's that's the thing I always think about where I have, um, yeah, like the way I store my firearm, the way I store my firearms. It's like, yeah, if someone said it would be like that guy has thousands of sounds of ammunition stockpiled in a closet full of weapons, I won't be like, well, yeah, but I mean you gotta come look at how it's set up. It's not like what you're describing. Yeah, you know, it's like, oh, there's guns in the house, and you know there's you know, handguns under cushions and you know, it's just like easily accessible and it's that's not how it is. That's one thing I would like to see, um we're talking about. It's funny because people ask like how I have these conversations. We actually had this conversation yesterday or today. One thing I'd like to see the gun industry listen. They don't focus on it, but I'd like to see a more focus on teaching people how to um safely store firearms in their home, which is something I never thought until I had kids. If you don't have kids, like it doesn't you know what I mean? Just like we we had as a kid, we had a gun cabinet, but it was different because because this is like I'm forty one and my but my dad was like the age of most people's grandpas, because you have men, was really old. You didn't touch that far the gun cabinet because you he'd kill you. Right. I probably had just like the little key, right, and it was like if he came in and you were messing around and there you were dead. I don't have I don't like inspire that kind of fear out of my kids. So I've been lately now, you know, as they get older. I'm lately now always trying to make sure that my um storage technique is way advanced beyond their age, right, like a one year old, it's like, okay, yeah, you can't really stand up yet, So I know how to keep stuff away from him now that I gotta almost My kid will be five pretty soon. So now I'm getting into more like, you know, actual protocol because I'm not just worried about my kid. You know, even if I didn't instill that level of fear that my dad instilled me about not touching stuff, I'm not supposed touch. I don't know what his friends. I don't know that his friends have learned that level of fear, right, and they might not know anything about it, and they'll be curious. They're like, oh, what is that? Because they you know, they come from you know, maybe a household that doesn't have that kind of you know, education behind it and that kind of you know environment that they're raising and stuff, and they're like, oh, there's a you know, what's that right there? I want to go play with that? That looks pretty cool. Yeah, because they've they've fetisht they've like some people like accidentally fetishized guns. You know, like my kids already not my youngest too, but my four year old I've already met. We go out and shoot his be begun. This is the muzzle, this is the trigger, this is the safety. Never do this, Never do that. So if somehow he was inspired to, like somehow whatever, there was a lapse and he was able to get access, he has in his head the fundamental, don't you know? And I think that this sort of thing like guns are bad. I don't even want to know how they work. It's ridiculous, right, it's respecting knowledge. That was the point we made today is that education, just a little bit will go so far for so many people. And I don't look at any differently than teach my kids about like the car, like you don't let your kids mess around with like keys in the ignition and started jacking around the you know, shifter. Bad things happen when kids do that. You know, nobody lets their kids do that. It's a dangerous you know, not like no, don't even look at that sun. This is a dangerous machine. This car. You're not allowed to touch the you know, you're like, hey, man, don't be touching this. Don't be touching this if I'm not in the car, you can't even be up in the front here. But this is what all this stuff is. Don't touch it. Oh man, I got a story about that. I mean, okay, it's related to that. Me and my buddy back when we're I think we were five, and uh we're at a seven eleven parking lot and it was sloped as I went inside, and it was you know, he had a standard, and so my buddy hops up front. He's like, I'm gonna drive and hit the clutch and put it and essentially put it in a neutral and dropped the dropped the parking break, and we just went straight backwards. Two five ye old kids in this car, just like right out into the street getting a crash. No you get a crash? Did you get a crash? Because my we probably rolled back about you know, fift and we just freaked out. And then so as soon as he you know, he had his hand on that parking break and threw that back and then his dad just burst out that door and we got it. We got it. That was no, no, that ever happened. So we you know, now we have educational respect for the parking break. Sixteen on my lips not sixt when we've answered, what were your wife not eat? I like that, my dude, My wife eats more wild game than than nineties some odd percent of the guys that hunted. I know. She don't air. She doesn't like to hunt. She likes to go fishing with me. She likes that I take the kids fishing. She's been out hunting. She's not like she devil, doesn't self identify as a hunter. She has no real desire to go hunting. But she's all kinds of wild game. Well. I like about her too, is um. She didn't even stay like, Yeah, I know it's whatever you want to tell me. It's hypocritical that I like to eat me, but I don't want to kill the animal. Sure, if that's what I am, that's what I am. She loves that I bring home wild game, you know, And I do know that there's I think I believe there's one animal that's on the cook list right now. For no, it's back on the list. My wife had put a temporary moratorium on the consumption of black bear flash. She didn't even last a year. No, I didn't know it didn't last. She listen, she's happy, like I cook in our family. You know, like if I'm home, I cook, I like it. She don't like it, so she'll cook if she has to be. If I'm home, I'm like, why why suffered? When I want to do it. There's no way that, like if I cook, suffer. My wife she was down on BlackBerry meat just because we uh, me and well, everybody's sitting the table, Mike, you're honestly honest his brother Mandy. We all got trick on nolysis, which I've talked about a great deal from eating undercook blackburr meat. And my wife kind of overcracked and said that I was not that I wasn't allowed to eat it, but that the kids and her weren't eating. But I've given him blackbur meat since then, my wife's grateful man that I cook. If I cooked, she's gonna eat it. She might say that something tastes like a little bit off, or like if I cook, if I have some salmon, you know, like we'll go up to our cabin and catch a bunch of salmon, and you know, it's great for a couple months. Then you're kind of get in that borderline area it gets a little skanky. She might point out that the salmon's a little skanky. She might point out that something's a little bit tough, but no, there's no way if I cooked dinner for my wife, there's no way that my wife would like not eat it, unless perhaps it was a person. But I sat down and ate a meal of domestic dog with my wife. Really, Yeah, so what's her favorite game does she have? It was understandable, you know what she raved about. She didn't like the burger often. I don't know why, but she raved about that white some of that white tail you sent, like that white tail. That's awesome, no kidding, Yeah, that's great. Here only complained about the burgos. It was it was like very mild. I think she's a little bit used to. But then we did like a roast and slice of thin, ate it cold, and she loved it, loved it. That's fantastic. So but yeah, she likes to help meet a lot. Um trying to think of some things that she hasn't been crazy about. Dude, she eats squirrel. She just doesn't care. She doesn't care what you guys should answer the question, Like the wife came from um she met me was a vegetarian. Yeah, and we had been for how long? I don't know, over a decade? Is that right? For what reason? Ethics? Ye lived and grew up in North Carolina, but grew up in a hunting and fishing family, in fishing family. But but it was you know, yes, but they didn't really do it that much, you know, and especially in later years, you know, high school, you know, college whatnot. And North Carolina a lot of pig farming, and what she saw in that industry turned her off to meat. Now she's eating a lot of a lot of meat, a lot of while a game the one animal that's still I get the no way on, which is a bummer because I really enjoy pork, not often, but every now and then, love my bacon, love some sausage of some sort, and she just can't do it. She often tries, and just his man, there's something about that that ex a greasy nest with a flavor or whatever. So that's kind of on our on the no list. So can you cut your wild game sausage with pork fat or you gotta put be fattener? Um. I haven't made much of my own, but any of the stuff with pork fat, no, she won't eat it. What about like wild hog? Well, she eat that we're gonna we haven't, Yes, she will. Yeah, so it's just domestically raised swine's. But it's way a different bog like wild hog. It's like, I mean, it's like it has as much to do with deer as it has to do with hog. Yeah, but no. But psychologically if if her deal is like she just seen stuff she doesn't like. You know, what about your your Mrs Mrs wash Leski, she changed her name and you got married. Man. My wife keeps saying she will, but she says she'll do it when her passport expires. I gotta wait like five more years. But there she thought she lost it, and I says, you can to change the name. She just doesn't want to have to go down to renew year. Are you wanting that for tradition's sake? What do you feel like you could gain out of that? Well, I'll tell you what I can gain about it. I have to say, um, let's say someone let's say I'm rs like, uh, let's say someone. Well, let's say I'm saying yeah, I'd like to be able to say, like, oh, the Ronella's are coming, but I can't like the Ronell's are coming and Katie you know, or why don't you just say staying in the hotel. We'll be staying in the hotel and she'll going and do all the signing up well if you want, and then then I'll call down and they'll be like, oh, Mr Finch, you know that's why. Yeah, it's just confusing. You guys need to I just want to get everything cleaned up. I just want everybody have the same name. In mind. No, I'm not gonna do that because that's like not what people do. If that's people did, I would do it if it was like the typical normal. In some ways, I'm deeply um establishment. Sure, like I'm anti establishment where I think it matters and all the stuff that doesn't really matter to me. I go establishment, okay, because why have all these extra fights in life. It's like, I just want to all that have the same name. It's just is it's just like people have been dealing with that problem. It's just they've just done it this way. It's not like I have like something like this is my last name and it's important, you know. It's just like it's just how it goes. I don't care if it was traditional, if I lived in the country, if there is one where like the dude takes the girl's name, like fantastic, But like, I just not like interested. There's I buck all kinds of trends. I admire people who don't play by the rules, but I admire people who don't play by the rules that I think are worth violating. When people just do stuff because they want to have attention, or they want to make a statement for the sake of making a statement, for the sake of looking contrarian, it just isn't it annoys me. Well, for yeah, I mean for us, it was just like, you know, whenever we were getting married, it's like, do you do you want to do this? She's like, yeah, sure, so well my wife said it. She said she wanted to do it, but she didn't want to have to renew all her stuff and she didn't want to change her work email because she worked in publicity. And she's like, the only thing I have going for me, To be honest with you, this is not true, but this is like she has a lot going for it, but she was to make a point. She's like, when I call, they pick up. When their assistant says is blank on the phone. They answer, yeah, that makes sense because we have a report and we've known each other a long time. So for my work stuff, it's gonna be real difficult. M hm. You know, well it doesn't really bother me. It bothers me a little bit. When I go to hotels they call up and say, Mr. You know that bugs me, like in a manly way. Yeah, here's a question. Hello, let me ask you a question as far as my way, well, nor favorite what what she won't eat? Or her favorite game? No, it's what what won't your wife eat? Uh? Well, you guys, I'm not gonna ask that question because I don't have any anything to say that that. It was like what do they like to eat? Um? Yeah, well no, how could you This is impossible to not be able to answer. I thought we were talking about that. What well your wife? What was she? As far as game? Oh? Yeah, okay, she's not gonna what about wild game? N I don't think I've brought home any I see, I haven't brought it home. Anything is exactly that you guys have that would have a would she eat the musk ox? Oh she's had it. We haven't had that yet No, we'll see how that goes. This is a course I don't really understand it says a TV, raft, jet, bloat boat, float plane, or super cup. Um, I guess that they're asking what you recommend me. I'm gonna ask this. I'm gonna ask this and just say, like what I what I like to be on. I'll do it in the order of and descending order of likeness. And there's one correction because the super cub can be on floats. But we'll just say he means like a super cub on, so it would be uh raft, super cup, float pane, jet boat, a TV I'm with you, would you walk away from a gut shot animal that has expired with without someone? I'm I'm cleaning this up a little bit. I'll just let me just say it. He's asking, let's say you're out hunting and you find a gut shot animal that someone else couldn't didn't find They didn't they didn't They either couldn't find it or they found it and didn't want it. And he's saying, what would you do? Would you would you walk away? Would you keep it? How about fresh road kill? Then he goes down to say that he faced this situation and hung his own tag on the animal. Yeah. Man, it's like if I found a gut shot animal, is perfectly fun. I don't want to keep the meat, but I would probably try everything possible to not put my tag on it and keep it. Still. Remember one time I was hunting in Montana. We found an antelope that someone had shot and dumped. We just trimmed all the meat off it and kept it, which was illegal, right because it's hunting season and you can't have meat from an animal, like you can't have untagged carcass. But I was prepared. It's a little more complicated because it was an analope season. Season was open, but I didn't have I shouldn't say that I didn't have an analop tag for that unit. But here where we were hunting deer, here's a dead animal. We took all the meat off that thing, and I was prepared to if I got checked by a warden, I was just prepared to be like, yeah, man, it was dumped. I'll happily take you up and show you where it was dumped. I committed the grave sin of having taken the meat off the carcass. Like, let's let's go down to court and I'll explain it to a judge of you know. Well, unfortunately though, it would be left up to him to decide if he was gonna believe your story or not. Well, you can't argue with It's like unless I had done it a week ago, you're not gonna argue with the condition of the animal where it is, you know, in this case. But in this case, thinking who clearly been there at who's to say you didn't it days earlier? Yeah? Yeah, No, that's what I'm saying. I'm just telling what I did. I'm not recommending someone due to this. I'm saying what I did was faced with the thing like spirit of the law, letter of the law, I opted in this situation to go a spirit of the law, kept the meat, and was prepared to face the consequences. If someone had checked me, I would have said, here's what happened, here's what I got. I'll show you where it is, this is what I did. If I'm been in trouble, and I'm in trouble, you know, so how long? Like how did you estimate how long I have been there? I mean, like we're like, what is your It was cold? Out, but you can tell by the way the hair is mad and on it just all kinds of things like you know, what's been on on it. It's position like this is a look to and you know, you know, just like but there's just like a look to an animals been laying there a long time, dumped off the side of the road. It's like that looks fresh. It's it's okay, you know, I start sinking into the head. We kept We got the backstraps and four legs off. Didn't take any rear meter anything, you know, backstrap and four legs off, big chucks of meat up, tony man legs, whole legs. How was it? It's great, It's fantastic. I would still I'd like to find a guy that did it and dump his body on the side of the So what do you think the situation was that put the animal there? Was it just like the guy just lost it on a trail or I guess it was dumb? It was you know, we found it a bunch of raptors, right and just you know, like when you see a ton of raptors throwing around and like what they got going on and went over there, and that's what it was two years ago, and called and I came across a spiked bowl with brown signs that was clearly perfectly shot. Probably didn't go more than fifty yards after the guy shot him. The guy saw brawd time's usually a legal animal in Colorado. But they weren't five inches and he had spikes. He was illegal bull. And uh, I just walked away from him. You walked away? Well, no, no, I kind of opened but he was stinky, he was green, slimming, pretty a bummer. I've done that a handful too. I used to take I used to take road kill illegally in the state. I lived in the state where you weren't allowed to take road kill, But again I took. I would take road kill deer and cut the prime cuts off it as the act of civil disobedience. Now I'll point out it's not illegal to take roadkill in that state. One time out when I was a little kid, we went out. My old man, UH shot a deer with his boat, got a bad hit on it. As happens, bow one, um, you gotta ad hit on it. We trailed that deer to all one in the morning. Never found the deer. We're driving home from tracking it in my dad's seventy nine jeep Grand Cherokee and hit another deer with the truck. And there was no tracking job on this one. And just like byam right on the road and he and I was sitting. I was riding, shocking my two betters in the backseat, and you got the back like that. We called the way back and my old man goes around and opens the backup and throws the whole deer in the back. We start on down Ryerson Road and all of a sudden, my brothers are screaming in the back and that deer is just standing up in the back of the jeep Grand Kerokee, on its feet. Holy it's my dad slammed on the brakes, went around, opened the backup, drugged that deer out into the road, cut his throw with the knife low to the back of the truck. We drove home, and the next day he called the police and they would come out and give you a permit, a road kill permit. Another time I was I was I had this old girl, this my old girlfriend from high school. We're staying there and by my mom and dad's house where I lived because in high school and I see a deer out swimming in the lake, which wasn't an everyday occurrence. And I see the deer climb up in Bob stair ITTs yard and a run up through bob Stairts yard. Later that they were walking down the road and here's the deer stone dead in bob Stairts yard because it went to duck the pipe on a cyclone fence and snapped its neck on the fence. Wow, And they gave me a road kill for that. Like those fence with the wire like this chainling fence, that's what I means chainling fence. He like ducked his head, you know the pipe they always feel like a pipe on top of that. He ducked his head and put like it looked like you just threw a basketball. Two. Now we're out of chain link fence and just laying there with a snapping net. Oh. So he ran into it, ran into the fence pipe on top like it was like he tried to like instead of go over the fence, try to go onto the It was a walking I mean, he was running scared. And remember like when I was when we saw that thing. There's some people out chasing in the paddle boat. The deer's out swimming the lake and the people out like kind of like, oh my god, deer in the lake and they're chasing the paddle boat. Another time, another deer swimming lake in the other direction, going north and got hung up in another neighbor's chain link fence and snapped his leg. We kept that deer and they gave us a road kill permit for it. And he's don't even road killed deer. It's just like a way to make it legal for you to utilize deer. They're dying around you, okay from you know, I guess unnatural causes, human made causes. I'm not going to answer this one. Oh I have one last note on that. You know, I feel like I used to be a little more emotional about I feel really bad for that animal. If you found him, and it's like, man, he didn't the meat did not get used. I don't feel that way anymore. It's like, because there's new treat recycling exactly like it's going. It's just all part of the yeah, back to the earth and whatever. I do still dislike the guy that did that to that animal, Well, I'm with you. I'd kick him off the side of the road, kick him in the nuts. You know, he should be beaten. You know. Yeah, I don't do it, like I'm not so adamant about it because I don't believe in nu treat recycling. I can believe in new treats, like like, yeah, it goes back. It's like it's made up of of elements that go back into the earth and they'll find new they'll they'll come a bunch of critters are gonna eat that animal. It's more like I'm trying to like remedy or wrong. Yeah, trying to right or wrong. When I say go to waste, I guess what you're really saying. I guess it gets super like, um, it gets uh, it's not being enjoyed. Yeah, it's like it's ethereal. It's like you're you're it goes a waste in a human sense or something, you know, I mean it goes It's like, yeah, it doesn't go to waste in this sort of grand scheme of things since but it just goes to waste in a human sense because vultures and counties don't care how it tastes. It's just getting consumed. Yeah, that's a good point. I don't want to answer. I'm gonna answer this one, but I want you guys to answer. I'm curious what you guys think about this Sasquatch yeties if eat of you guys has no Okay, did you see he set that one in? No? Oh, never mind, Cody Luan, How did you get on this list? Cody? Because here's the thing, I'll just say it real quick. At a time, Florida was down to forty seven panthers mountain lions, you know, Florida panthers. They were down to forty seven panthers. Yet every year many of them would get hit on the highway by cars. If you have this stable breeding population of primates that have been here longer, the story goes, when people who are into this stuff that they've been here far longer than Homo sapiens on the continent, it would just wind up that you're gonna have a carcass. You're gonna have a carcass. I know, Oh, they bury each other, all that kind of stuff, and it's a conspiracy and all that kind of stuff, But at some point you would just have a dead body. And I'm not talking like some hair or like a weird footprint. There just be a dead one land there. After years of us being here and hundreds of years of us driving to extinction, small little creatures that would fit in the palm of your hand, we would have by now had a dead one. I think I just rewrite Cody's question again and it just says, sasquatch YETI or stinkcape. He just wants to know what you call that critter. Don't call it any of that I called a big Don't ask Tody, don't ask any more questions. This is for real questions for real people. Well, I this is why I have one thing to say about that. So if there's a population, sask this is on this topic, right, population right, Okay, they've existed completely undiscovered. Nobody's ever like really seeing them. They don't have to make any noise or supposedly you know where they make not eat watermelons? And how how big are they supposed to be? A fete? All right? The size of the crap that an animal that size would leave throughout the forest would just it would be there and you would step in it all the time. And then look at the side, Look at the side. I mean, we're just out on a property with cows. I mean those are massive, so it'd be like, what is that? I mean, you know, you're walking around to the fort. She said, Oh look somebody took some somebody took a ship here, somebody took a share. I know what this is. I know what this is. It would be monster. I mean you know if whenever you're walking through the woods and you you you come across man leavings, you know what that is. Yeah, and it's like special crap that it evaporates minutes after they Yeah, they like how they bury that too, and then they like their tissue paper. On the comedian Late the Late Great comedian Mitch Edbird was saying that, um, he doesn't think that it's that it's the photographer's fault. The big puts always blurry and pictures. He thinks he just is blurry. Unfortunately, we're to know. I want one. I got one more, to get one more. I'm interested in. Um he saw about when you're deep in Brownberry country, you guys seem to sleep in tents to look like a bear would have no problem getting into him, Like, how how can you sleep in a nylon tent? I guess I can't. I don't. I don't live in fear of bears. No, The chances, I think I have a good analogy. The chances of a bear coming through one of those nylon tents are less than you sleeping in your bedroom on your normal residential street and having a car drive through your bedroom wall and drive you over. We're having like some kind of insane man and come in and chop you up with you guys have been around this for a while, so this is all new to me, and so I let me just I have something you know, I've got at least inside from like a novice to like camping out in Mike actually doesn't sleep. It sounds like no. Well, the one reason I go to sleep is because I'm so exhausted from work every single day and the amount of hiking work that we do. So it's just like I don't have a choice. It's just I gotta go to sleep, so I'm gonna pass out. But that fear, you know, it's slowly diminished. But it was the first time I was there. Whenever we went with ROURK, I mean I was I was like, okay, I was like, I was like, I'm literally a baked potato and he can just open me, open this thing up, and just like get to the soft creamy center if you wanted to. I mean that's what I felt. I was like because you know it, you know, that was a legitimate Serren. You guys are all you know whatever, You've been around it for a long time. But for me, it was just like I'm sleeping in a just like a you know, a diaper essentially picture that you had grown up on, a picture you've grown up in in Central Bolivia. Sure, on a river, okay, in the jungle, and you came up and and and we took you down the highway in a car. Sure, well absolutely, and and and you know, I'm slowly you know now that I've been til asking several times sleeping in tents, and it's like, okay, I'm only I'm yeah, I'm not like, I'm not contesting your point. I'm just saying I get what you're saying. Well, what made me feel better is the fact that it was just like the luck of the drawers, Like, well, all these other guys are sleeping in tents too, so I've got you know, like a one in six chance of you know, being eaten in this tent. And especially because my team was next to me, I was like, all right, well, I was like, you know, which tent looks more delicious? It's like, I mean, his is pretty sweet. So I think that right there says at all which tent looks more delicious? Bears don't cruise around looking to eat humans. They just don't. No, I get that, I get that, but whenever you've never done that, it seems ridiculous. And now and now I know and haven't done it. When bears are you know, described uh, especially grizzly bears to people, Yeah, it's like all you hear about, you know, is the one bear that charges not the other ten bears that we saw It ran away as soon as they smelled us. And well yeah, but I mean being out there and stuff and just having them roam around was a new, you know, and terrifying experience a certain degree. And it was new. But now I through knowledge and and being around that and knowing that that's not the case, it's just like, yeah, it's okay. It's just that that's just part of the wild left that lives out there. Yeah, and answer that guy's question, Yeah, I don't know what you could take out there. To sleep in that would help. Yeah, that's kind of what I was wondering. Yeah, I don't know, like if you like a bear proof thing. This guy that asks questions to watch that movie about the dude who tried to make the Grizly Grizzly proof soup. There's a guy who got mauled by a grizz lee and tried to build a grizzly proof suit that he could wear and go out and get mauled by another one that wouldn't be able to hurt him. And he built this suit and it would go around trying to just get mauled by a bearer. But he couldn't get mauled by a bear. He did everything like they took a horse up in the mountain, shot the horse way. The bears started getting and he come up and try to like mess with the bears, but they would they would never attack him in that suit. He even had his body run him over with the truck wearing the suit. He like, this suit was badass, but he he Yeah, he had a hard time getting bared. Once you want a bear to attack you, it doesn't happen. I want a bear to give me a giant scratch. From here all five claws that starts here on my upper left shoulder and extends down around to my right hip like that. Like people get tattoos. They they're like a bad mofo right for having a tattoo, you know. And really I was like, well, he's got a tattoo. I mean, they made me do that. But if you got like a big scratch from a grizzly, that's hard to show up bars though. I mean, especially because I guess maybe you have to take your whole shirt off and everything. No, I just act like like, oh, man, I got like an itch, you know, just like like, man's keep righting here? Oh my god, what is that? I'm like, Oh no, it's gonna scratched up the grizzly. Um. Were you saying we're done with the podcast? Yannie? You know why we're done. We're getting out in the morning going turkey hunting, and uh, crew hunt, crew hunt. I'm not hunting the mow. I'm not hunting the MoU. Oh, Yanni and Mike here are hunting the mile. Mm hmm. I'm napping. Well, who's gonna call? Well, you just had to wake me up every ten minutes, Okay, I'll do that all right, Thanks for listening. If you have questions, go a couple of things. Go go to the meat eater dot com. Um, go to the meatater dot com. 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