00:00:08 Speaker 1: What's up, y'all? 00:00:09 Speaker 2: You're out in God's Country with Dan and Red is one also known as the Brother's Hunt, where we take a weekly drive to the intersection of music and the outdoors, two things that go together like a mosquita in my arm, like ug boots and yoga pants. Produced by Meat Eater and iHeart podcast. 00:00:25 Speaker 1: So Hop Up, Rod Shuck going with us as we take the back roads with some of today's biggest stars and creators behind the songs you know in love. 00:00:31 Speaker 2: Today we had on Josh Thompson, super cool, really interesting guy, cart wheeling, songwriting, money making, four kid dadding. 00:00:41 Speaker 1: He is a good dad. He's a good dude. He's a good dad. He talked about it. 00:00:44 Speaker 2: You can tell Josh is a buddy of ours. We've written some songs together and we know a lot about him. But it's cool to sit down in a podcast environment like this and talk to him for an hour or so and find out other things that you don't know that I think the listeners of this thing we'll really really get into. 00:01:01 Speaker 1: I mean, he's written some monster songs too. 00:01:03 Speaker 2: Two five times planning, what was the Morgan wall WestEd on you all on time and all. 00:01:11 Speaker 1: Little this money. 00:01:12 Speaker 2: It's just one of them. He's got nine number ones and one on the top five. And he'll get into all that in the interview. But uh yeah, if you like the outdoors or you like music, stick around and uh and I hope you enjoy this podcast. Thanks for listening to God's Country, Gun's Country Boy. 00:01:32 Speaker 1: All Right, so we're here, man, I knew you were gonna do all right, So yeah, all right, folks. 00:01:38 Speaker 2: Well today, all right, guys, so today I'll be skinning a deer. 00:01:42 Speaker 1: It don't sound annoy it just don't sound like annoying. 00:01:45 Speaker 2: I'm not annoying. You're annoying one. 00:01:46 Speaker 1: This all right, today we've got see I thought you were already doing the intro. I didn't think we were joshing immediately like you said. I thought we're supposed talk about what we've been up to. 00:01:56 Speaker 2: We do, but we're gonna as he's here sitting, we can't just not talk to him. We're gonna introduce him and then be like, hey man, you can interject if you want to. That's what I'm gonna say when we introduce him, and then we're gonna start talking about what we got going on. 00:02:12 Speaker 3: All right, Yeah, that was the intro. I think it's classic. 00:02:16 Speaker 2: This is pretty good intro. I feel like, did you did you say his name already? Josh Thompson is in the room. Is in the building today. 00:02:22 Speaker 1: Josh Chrispy Cartwell Thompson. We'll get into that later. Don't get away. 00:02:31 Speaker 2: So this is this is the first This is like the first one that we're doing. So so we are in a place and we're in Music Row, Nashville, Tennessee, in a little pubhouse. I guess you can call it a pubhouse. It's got studio in it. In some podcast rooms. 00:02:44 Speaker 1: There's probably don't even know what a pub house is due they probably think it's. 00:02:47 Speaker 2: Like a bar publishing. It's a little post thanks Josh. It's just a little house on Music Row. But but it's legit today, Like we've got cameras, there's other people in the room, like this is a pro. This is ah yeah, five time platinum songwriter, nine number ones, got one in the top five right now, going on number ten. 00:03:07 Speaker 3: I did not know that. I didn't know where'd you get these stats from? 00:03:10 Speaker 1: So rich we've actually done a little bit of real. 00:03:13 Speaker 2: Because we get like we get papers now that have your information on them that somebody got from somebody that you know but didn't know that they gave five times. 00:03:21 Speaker 1: That's why you're c c W. 00:03:22 Speaker 2: Dude, Chrispy Carr will do I like a whole lot five times, five time. 00:03:28 Speaker 1: Dude. You gotta do that this five time, five times. All right, let's let's start talking more than that. 00:03:34 Speaker 2: Whatever, let's an interject if you want to said more than that, dude, that's probably on one song. No, I'm saying, yeah, one song. I'm just reading from the notes. 00:03:42 Speaker 1: I don't know. We don't know your stats. I don't know. I don't have your rookie car your card in my dan. She came back from Europe? How was that? Man? It was not America, dude, we might have some European listeners. Mate. Well, I just wondering like this, would you? Yeah? Should? I just is this is this like Instagram where we just highlight all the good things about it? 00:04:08 Speaker 2: Or are we telling we're being honest? 00:04:10 Speaker 1: Rais a lot, It rains a lot. People are super nice. Tell everybody where you went, Well, now tell I haven't. I haven't really told anybody because I didn't. There's a weird thing and I don't think this is like prepper of me, But like, I don't necessarily want people to know what I'm out of town? Does it make sense? Like I don't advertise because you too. We live kind of out in the sticks, right, So if the whole world knows that I'm gone and my pretty wife and kids are at home by themselves for a month or and it's deer season and there's tractors out there with four wheelers stuff that I just don't necessarily want people knowing that I'm out of town, so I haven't really advertised it. I went on the road with Looke for a year and we went to Australia for a month, and then we went to Europe for a month and got to home a little bit. And Astralia, well, I say, Australia's actually New Zealand. We did a do. 00:05:03 Speaker 3: You shoot a kangaroo? 00:05:05 Speaker 1: I had the opportunity, and I declined, Dude, I don't think I could either. 00:05:09 Speaker 2: It just felt a little you blast one. Wouldn't you like shooting Clifford? 00:05:13 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like, Yeah, I just didn't. I don't know, I didn't get the thing. 00:05:18 Speaker 3: I just feel like it would be a cool full mount piece, especially if you could like put a kid in the pouch. 00:05:28 Speaker 2: You know, dude, you want you want a full mount kangaroo in the corner of your house that you can put things in the past. 00:05:34 Speaker 3: If this is your writer's room, and like there's a kangaroo here, and you've got a guitar and a tuner in your capo and some picks like my coffee cups in there, like double warmer, and. 00:05:50 Speaker 2: You could hit a button and a little baby kangaroo head just goes. 00:05:53 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's next. 00:05:55 Speaker 1: Up. 00:05:56 Speaker 3: You could do it with a possum apostums also in marsup like tiny just kind of merged the get like one guitar pick and possible. 00:06:04 Speaker 2: Well, here's here's what I do around trying to find it. 00:06:06 Speaker 1: For hold on, give a second, Actually I do. Here's the thing is, like, there are no licenses there, dude. They're like, I don't. I don't understand that. I didn't either. As a matter of fact, I was nervous because the guy was kind of talking back and forth. Here's how it works. Luke goes, hey, man, we're going to New Zealand. It's going stack hunt. I was like, cool, I'm going to do the best I can do to make sure that it's not like a high fence, right deal. So I started doing my research. I sneak into s c I, which is Safari Club International, when they were here, literally sneaking, literally snuck in, pretending like I was serving barbecue past snuck in. Don't tell them we might get in trouble for that, you just did. I snuck in. I meet this guy. He's super cool. Seems like a dude that like where I could spend four or five days with, you know what I mean? Because that's right, dude, that's hard to do, right, sort of just jump in the truck with a random Zealander, no doubt that. So he was super cool, kind of like crocodile Dundee and sick. That's one, probably fifty while I was into it. 00:07:08 Speaker 3: That's not a knife, yeah, exactly. 00:07:11 Speaker 1: It's even it's even knife even know he don't know. He's too young, too young, You don't know dundee. What crocodile dundee? Yeah? What what did he What did he look like? Bro? He had the hat with the crocodile belt and give me something specific. 00:07:28 Speaker 2: I almost said that he got poked in the heart by thing Ray but that's that and that's nothing to lie about. That's yeah. No, did I remember crocodile dundee? 00:07:39 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, enough, So we fly in. I kind of start freaking out before we land because I'm like, I don't know, I don't We're on the this other world. I don't know what we're getting into right right we land. You can't have guns over there, like they you have to have like a specific think it would be the equivalent to us having like our carry permit here, except over there it's just to have a gun here, rifles, shotgun anything. Yeah. So me, this guy, he's awesome. He's like, I got this. Basically the way it works is he's got six or seven mega tracks of land least, and then he guides those places, right because I never really we hadn't really done much. God it still I don't know how that works, But being as we were on the other side of the world, it was like, I don't. We don't have two weeks to go figure it out. We had three days to hunt, you know, so super cool. We' getting the truck, We're driving around southern outs, snow everywhere. We're just like, du where are we at? Although it was a mega small truck. They don't have like f one fifties over there, dude. It's like check out meute and it's. 00:08:41 Speaker 2: A dang ranger. Why don't they have big truck? Is there a reason, like, is there a reason they don't have full size? 00:08:47 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't I really don't know the answer to that. I think maybe they just because they're in island and they're in the middle of nowhere. It's hard to ship stuff, so I see, I think they probably like did the dude even said like if you're mega rich, you can pay to have one because they build the the steer wheels on the other side and you're driving them up so the road. 00:09:05 Speaker 2: Apparently they there's a place over there that like Nissan makes a truck that's like a bad ass, like even a more bad ass version of a Tacoma. 00:09:13 Speaker 1: Well, Nissan doesn't make a Tacoma, so tweel them my bad dude whatever. I had a stright one. 00:09:19 Speaker 2: Yeah, but apparently there's a there's a truck that that is like a way bad ass version of a Tacoma that we can't have in the States for some reason. 00:09:28 Speaker 1: Huh. 00:09:29 Speaker 2: But it's like it's it's like got a pipe coming out the tops, like that's what this was a hunting truck. 00:09:33 Speaker 1: That's what the hunt truck. I think it was a Ford. And so Luke's in the front, like I'm in the back, Carlson's right here, harpor No, Harbor was right, and the courses, dude, we were stuck in that back seat and this dude's doing like ninety around these mountains and I'm occasionally I get carsick, bad dude, So I'm like having to roll the winded down like I mean it was, and it was an hour every day there in an hour back that's how far we went to this different tracks land. So we get in there, we're looking. We see this one stag like way up the hill with a couple of hines I think it's what they're called Haines or the doze, yeah exactly, And so we were like, you know, I mean, so like we're trying to take care of that kid first, right, So I'm like, well, maybe we go after him, and they're like, I don't know, he's kind of in a bad spots. We move around so that afternoon we find some The way it works is this big plot of private and then it's surrounded by public and the public gets hounded. So it pushes a lot of these and he just like kind of saving this one ranch for us, you know. So it pushed all the animals in Luke ends up taking a great stag. Carlson, the security guard, takes a stag. I want to do something a little different, so I shot a tar and dude, it was. It was arguably in the top three hunts of my life. And that's awesome. And the reason is because they have this stuff. Oh, come on, Dan, what's it called. It's not vegemike. That's what you eat over there. Medigary I knew. I knew it. Medigary is what it's called. Medigary. That's how they said. So it's basically like I have to look that up. This super thick thorny brush that's can be up to five six feet tall. So there's we have a basically like a mile uphill hike of that, and dude, it's just like grabbing you, shredding you, shredding the jacket. We get up there, we see the tar. It tucks into this medigary, right, So the guy's like, man, I think he's in this little section here. Once we top that ridge, we'll be able to find him. Do we top the ridge or a belly crawl up to the top of the ridge layout flat prone position, can't find him. Twenty minutes, goes by it and he goes I think I got him, and I'm like what He's like, he's right. So he gives me the coordinates. I put the scope on where I think he's talking about. Can't see nothing. I'm like, dude, he's not there. He's like, yeah, that's right, that's right, and you see that white bush to the left, blah blah blah. So basically he finds this thing tucked in that medigarry. If I spent twenty four hours in broad daylight with the highest power binoculars on the tripod, I wouldn't have found this animal. Dude, Like it was the first time. I was like, okay, like I get why this guy does, Like why you pay this guy to do this? Because I would have never found a thing. 00:12:26 Speaker 3: So no idea what a tar is. 00:12:28 Speaker 1: It's kind of like it's kind of like that, except a mountain goat. Isn't that a cow? Yeah, it's a long, hard cow, but it's got like the long hair that the animals go back like this kind of like the Anyway, I laid it for an hour with him in the scope, trying to find a shot right, and so we eventually see like there's a there's a branch that kind of whis and he's like, if you'll hang him on the right, why that branch and if you can put it right in there, you're gonna shoulder this animal. And I'm like, man, is his head going this? I mean it was so bad that I I would be looking at him in the scope, sat down to rest my eyes and come back up and couldn't find it. I mean, it was. It was unbelievable. So anyway, it takes an hour to shoot. I finally calmed down enough slip it in there. He falls. It was just and it was like a ten year old ram. It was. It was mega cool. 00:13:16 Speaker 3: Man, that's awesome. 00:13:17 Speaker 1: Yeah, And it was in the Alps, and I'll show you pictures of it later. But that's what I've been up to. I've been traveling the world. Europe was not as cool. We didn't go on a hunt, so that's probably has a lot to do with it. So it's very rainy, but no licenses in New Zealand, you can literally hit the grunt. The problem is finding an animal. You can't just like blot down and find something like their back way up in this right, you know so, But no licenses and the trouble with shooting the kangaroos. You'd have to pay to ship that thing back and that is not cheap, bro I. 00:13:46 Speaker 2: Bet, especially coming from over there. All right, now that Dan took up half our podcast time with that story. 00:13:52 Speaker 3: Well it's been real boy. 00:13:53 Speaker 1: Yeah, good to have you, Josh, thanks for coming back special, Thank you. That's what I've been up to. 00:13:57 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what everything you've been to. No, you you got back. It's in the middle of deer season. We're close to the rut. It's it's it's kind of Josh, you live a little bit northern northern or northern Northerner that. 00:14:15 Speaker 1: He actually is a Northerner. 00:14:17 Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, between the Midwestern and northern I guess. 00:14:25 Speaker 1: Yeah, Actually I don't know either. It's north Midwestern. 00:14:29 Speaker 3: I think I'm just a person like absolute. 00:14:33 Speaker 1: What do you do doing? My deer are. 00:14:39 Speaker 3: Roaming about, freely, unharmed, untouched, being kids. I don't worried about a single thing. That's what they're doing. Uh, the deer, the bus are I don't. The bucks are chasing. They've been for a week, so you're everything. 00:14:59 Speaker 1: You're going straight to chase him. 00:15:00 Speaker 3: They're like, I mean nosed, but really, yeah, you got every everyday that has buck. You might be a spike. 00:15:08 Speaker 1: You got one? Do you have one? You're thinking about like a big deer. 00:15:12 Speaker 3: I was thinking about all the big deer. But yes, yeah, there's a well I sent you all that picture of that. Yeah, he's a good one, little chubby. It's I think he's an eleven, he may be a twelve. It's kind of a blurry picture. I would like him. But there's a there's a really big non typical back there. And it's also like picture I don't have them. I don't have a picture of it. But it's also yeah, that's awesome. It's also that time of year where like you're going to see something that year that's from two farms away. 00:15:43 Speaker 1: So yeah, it feels like big bucks back there. 00:15:46 Speaker 3: But I've been passing, like you know, I passed like a really nice seven the other day. Just I was telling him, like twenty year old me would would kill me for the deer that I passed up. 00:15:55 Speaker 1: It's awesome. You know, well, how OLDI thine was a good strong three maybe? 00:16:01 Speaker 3: I mean he might have been he was probably three and a half. Yeah, I don't think he was any older than that. 00:16:05 Speaker 2: It feels like it'll be awesome next year. We talked about this before we turn the mics on and everything. It feels like in Tennessee with our deer season, there's a line that comes through Nashville, and the deer above that line, the east to west line. Yeah, east to west line running might be forty. Actually you could just call forty the line Interstate forty. The deer above that line rut two weeks before the deer because we're south of forty a bit, and our deer aren't. I mean, there's you're gonna see some sign like they're scraping the ground, they're rubbing on some trees. Does are starting to get a little like you're seeing young dos by themselves, and they're starting to get a little skeptic of of what's around them and stuff, and new bucks are showing up on pictures. 00:16:49 Speaker 1: So and that's what I was gonna say. 00:16:50 Speaker 2: It is like it feels like the time that right now is the time you get pictures of new deer walking through. 00:16:55 Speaker 1: And first cruising around seeing what's up. 00:16:57 Speaker 3: And I don't Like we've both talked about this because we had spotted, we had fawns with spots on them, like brand newborn, full fledged spots in August, soestation period like technically, and like a ton of them this year. 00:17:12 Speaker 1: It was really weird. 00:17:13 Speaker 3: So technically those deer weren't bred until like January, maybe even February of last year. Yeah, but they're acting like it's game on, Like I don't know, but are they like dudes at the ten roof on Friday night that are just going from girl to girl like maybe they'll get lucky, and like they're not. It's just not time. I don't know, I'm not deer. 00:17:33 Speaker 1: Do we have a rut? 00:17:35 Speaker 3: There is the like if it was a Bucks choice, they would always be in rut. 00:17:39 Speaker 1: It's true. 00:17:40 Speaker 2: Uh yeah, So that's I mean, that's kind of what we've been doing, is all of us have young kids. We're just trying to find time to get in the woods. There is a weird we talked about this before, there is a weird balance of like being an outdoorsman in a hunter in hunting season and a dad to two babies under two. I feel a pressure as a hunter to be in the stand as well as a pressure as a dad to be at home. And this is the first time I'm ever having to deal with. 00:18:08 Speaker 1: That's what I'm trying to figure out the balance between being like a good dad and a good hunter at the same time, because this morning, but it's not even being a good hunter. 00:18:17 Speaker 2: It's like, that's that's in me to be out there solid. But it's not about hunting. It's about it's about being in the outdoors. 00:18:24 Speaker 3: Being out there. It's just being like if I killed a giant in the first fifteen minutes, like my soul would still long to be spend more time in the woods, no doubt, man. 00:18:33 Speaker 1: You have to have it. It's through yeah, or so I literally thought this morning at eight o'clock. At eight o'clock this morning, I had done more like twenty year old me versus forty year old me. Right, I just turned forty Thank you, good man, thanks dude, And how are you? 00:18:49 Speaker 3: I'm forty five? 00:18:50 Speaker 1: Oh? Thank god, so y'all are old? Man. I thought, what would twenty year old me be doing have done during the day at eight o'clock versus for dude, I've changed two diapers, I've cooked breakfast, I've put hair in a ponytail about you know already, like helped everyone get bathed and ready for school. Twenty year old me. Would it even been a weight, dude? Right for another? What time is it right now? I don't. I wouldn't even be a wait right now? Yeah? Or actually I would. 00:19:18 Speaker 2: I probably have hunted this morning, come back, taking a nap, eating whatever I wanted, two Big Macs for two dollars, two Big Man. 00:19:24 Speaker 1: For six dollars, and then go hunting that afternoon. But I do. 00:19:29 Speaker 2: I wouldn't trade where I'm at in life, with my family or anything for any of that. 00:19:33 Speaker 1: I'll let you. Let me preface that. I just feel like you have to be more more strategic with your time. That's true, no doubt. Instead of we used to go to North Missouri and just hunt for a month. Literally, we would just take November off and just go sit in a tree stop for a month. 00:19:48 Speaker 2: But that's something you don't You don't know that until you're in it, dude, which is part of life. Like you, you don't know how to go about something until you are in the trenches of it, figuring it out. And that's feel like, that's where I'm at with this thing that we're talking about. 00:20:03 Speaker 1: How what are your kids? Uh? 00:20:05 Speaker 3: Ten, six four and gonna be two? November twenty fourth. 00:20:11 Speaker 1: How are you here right now? Dude? How are you alive? 00:20:15 Speaker 3: I don't. I mean I'm thriving though, are you? 00:20:17 Speaker 1: Yeah? It's so smooth five times platinum. 00:20:22 Speaker 3: Five x platt. I think that is one song. 00:20:32 Speaker 1: Hey, do should we get in? Should we start talking to Josh like he is a guest here? 00:20:36 Speaker 3: I'm in, I'm enjoying the we can talking about the kids. 00:20:41 Speaker 1: Let's refer to him as c c W from down on instead of John. Let's let's get to c W. 00:20:46 Speaker 2: Yeah, I do want to say I do want to talk about like one thing Dan right quick. The drive in this morning was crazy for me because because the opportunity to get to do this podcast with meat Eator in my heart is something that moving to town and being a fan of meat Eater and literally me and my wife are talking about this ten years ago we were on a living on a houseboat on Percy Priest watching Meat Eater episodes, being like, dude, that's that would be awesome. Yeah, like that that kind of thing would be cool, dreaming about writing songs, dreaming about hunting big deer in the West, or big deer in Missouri or Kansas or wherever. I just want to say, I'm just super grateful and thankful for this opportunity to be a part of God's Country podcast and GC. 00:21:33 Speaker 1: Do you know what it's called God's Country? I do now God's and God? But how wild is that? How wild is it that? Like just like take us take a second to kind of let that soak in. It's wild. I do think we knew we were going to end up somewhere, you know, as far as musically. 00:21:48 Speaker 3: Prison that thank God. 00:21:57 Speaker 1: Now that's what I'm in counta jail for what man more than one more than once? Yeah? 00:22:09 Speaker 3: This when was this when most of them were overnights and then like I would get processed out. But like I was, I was a troubled youth. But but it was for like. 00:22:17 Speaker 1: While you were cutting cars. 00:22:18 Speaker 3: It wasn't but this was like later nineteen twenty twenty one, two thirty thirty five, But there was like a good old boy, I mean one was like you know, we were shining deer and had and we're drinking beer, okay, and like one of the people in my truck, one of my cousins, happened to be like sixteen and I was eighteen. So I got distributing an alcohol to a minor even though I was a miner as far as drinking goes. I was like, I don't understand that. 00:22:51 Speaker 1: So that's a double right there. 00:22:53 Speaker 3: I got sentenced to six days in the Delta count of jail and then in the Peninsula of Michigan. 00:22:59 Speaker 1: Six days. Yeah, I had to. 00:23:01 Speaker 3: Sell I had a f two fifty, like a heavy duty one ton that was like pumpkin orange, and like I had to I loved it, and I had to sit out a board out four hundred. I'd to sell it to like pay for house. 00:23:17 Speaker 1: Yeah, not even like to move to National buy guitar. 00:23:21 Speaker 3: No, for distributing alcohol to the minor as a minor. It was like I don't understand that anyways, what a Yeah, six days I did it standing on my head. 00:23:34 Speaker 1: How about you, Like, there's a good lee way into you going to jail? 00:23:37 Speaker 3: So your friend was yeah, it was it was like just it was just like a county jail everybody was in there. Everybody was in there for drinking, drinking, driving or yeah. Pretty much. 00:23:51 Speaker 2: All right, give us a little give us a little year from Wisconsin. Yeah, give us a little backstory on your life there. And well he was into gymnastics and talking. 00:24:05 Speaker 3: He's got a thing about the gymnastics. So we're just gonna address the elephant in the room. 00:24:10 Speaker 1: When did you get into gymnastics? Hold, I was looking at you. 00:24:15 Speaker 2: I was just I will say this. I will say this is behind the scenes little tidbit. When we walked in, me and Sam, who's here, kind of we're talking. We talked about Josh last time from Wisconsin. He's like, oh, I knew some a guy that was a gymnast. When Josh walked in, he goes hey, He's like, hey, nice to meet you. He goes were you in the Olympics. 00:24:30 Speaker 1: No, that was the first question. It was the first pad we all just got. I'll have it. Josh was like, I should have been. 00:24:35 Speaker 2: I should because I feel like an Olympia. 00:24:37 Speaker 3: I do. I feel like an Olympian. 00:24:39 Speaker 1: Everybody. 00:24:40 Speaker 3: I was four. According to my parents, I was four, and I was like apparently like wildish, like I was, you know, I had got stitches, like bouncing, like hitting like a scance and like I was just tearing up the house uncontrolled. Yeah, I mean it was just I was a boy, yeah, doing boy things, you know, like being a little dude. And uh. The doctor suggested that they put me on riddling or do a sport. And it was the middle of winter, so like there was no sports. So they're like, we'll take them to gymnastics. He can run around, flip around. You gotta gotta burn some energy. Thank god they didn't put me on riddling. So yeah, I did it and like and then it like turned into this thing and like I ended up being like really good at it and like one like the state champion a couple of times. 00:25:32 Speaker 1: What was your like, were you like swinging on the bars where you. 00:25:37 Speaker 3: All six all six uh events, there's a high bar, there's the floor of the vault upon the horse, the rings and this. 00:25:50 Speaker 1: When I did my research that you didn't do. I was shocked looking marked up papers over you. 00:25:56 Speaker 2: So you would literally like someone Biles that across the floor, hit bounce, do flips. 00:26:00 Speaker 3: Yeah, well yeah, I mean minus the Simone Biles part, but yeah, that was one of the great yeah. 00:26:06 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, but did you cut a backhand string? Right now? 00:26:09 Speaker 3: If we walked outside, I mean I would probably break my back, but I could do it. 00:26:14 Speaker 1: Yeah, broken backhands, that is that's impressive to me. I'm just broke. Did you enjoy it back? Did you enjoy it? 00:26:20 Speaker 3: I did until it was like until it was I mean I was like thirteen or fourteen, and where I was at the gym six days a week, like four hours a night, and I was like gotten to the point where I was like, I want a deer hunt and chase girls. That's what I want to do. Yeah, Like I don't if I got a scholarship to go to college for doing gymnastics, that's been great, but I don't even know if I want to go to college. 00:26:47 Speaker 2: So and at that time, you were, well, you were helping your dad for concrete. 00:26:51 Speaker 1: Right yeah. 00:26:51 Speaker 3: And I was like at fifteen, I was making you know, fifteen dollars an hour cash poorn concrete for my dad's company. So like as fifteen, I was loaded, oh you know, loaded, you know, not being all yeah. I mean so I was like I got a car, you know, early, because I had money. I got like a cheap Cherokee, and I was like, when I hit sixteen, it's like I'm gonna go be a young teen and spread my wings, go to jail and go to jail. 00:27:19 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that happened. You distribute to a minor, dude. Yeah, that's what you was. 00:27:23 Speaker 3: Just that's what I wanted. So I even grow up and distribute beard minors. 00:27:28 Speaker 2: So that's like, that's that's when you're sixteen to what age, like at what point, because there was a time in there. Little Birdie told me that you were trying to trying to go out to Alaska a little bit. 00:27:39 Speaker 1: I was. 00:27:39 Speaker 3: So I did the concrete thing, got out of high school and went to like porn concrete, like heavy highway, like doing like the you know, the big time union concrete job. 00:27:50 Speaker 1: Was that still with your dad or was it? No? 00:27:52 Speaker 3: This was like big Big Crew, Big road crew. So I was porn concrete. We did like Miller Park, we did all the concrete and like Miller Stadium. And so it was like December. I remember, I can't remember the day. It was December and I was downtown. It was four thirty in the morning and I was getting ready to pour concrete in my car heartsuit and like freezing, and I was like, I don't want to do this. I want to do this forever. It's not not cool. The money is great, but I was like, can you put yourself pretty dumb? 00:28:22 Speaker 1: Can you put yourself in that spot right now? Yeah? 00:28:25 Speaker 3: I remember. So I went home and I told my mom. I was like, I want to go to college for natural resources. Like I don't want to, like, just you do it and I'll go otherwise I'm gonna change my mind and like I don't want to spend a lot of time like figuring it all out. So she did it, you know, she enrolled me in a associates degree program in my goodness, oh gosh maybe wait that was your baby brand Oshkosh for gosh, yes, Wisconsin. 00:28:55 Speaker 2: Did it come from the real place? Did you remember those oscosh gosh now overalls? Yeah, dude, that's from there. Yeah, that where the gosh come from. That's the brand. 00:29:05 Speaker 3: I guess it's just rhymes. I don't know where. I don't I don't, I don't know what you're from there. There's no bigosh that I know. It's just gosh. So yeah, I did that, and then like I graduated and I was like I really want to go to Alaska and like do something. I don't know what to be out there. Yeah, So what I did, I was I had a plan. So I moved into the woods and it's part of this wilderness guide program with an Ajibwa elder dude. And after that, I was gonna go get my pilot license. So I moved into Nicolay National Forest and lived in a wigwam with like eight other people for the year, and like learned how to start a fire with bowdrill and like I would pie you dead fall trap mice and like I ate a bunch of mice and like we would like get free road killed deer because we weren't allowed to hunt because. 00:30:02 Speaker 1: Of were you a cult? No? 00:30:04 Speaker 3: Okay, okay, no, but I but I did a lot of like but it was it was It was great to like. 00:30:09 Speaker 1: Wait, we did a little what we cocaine or no, there was a It was great. A lot of minds. How old were you when this is going on? Yeah? How does college happen? 00:30:18 Speaker 3: I was like twenty two and like i'd been I had a guitar. I've been playing guitar since I was twenty one. It's when I got a guitar and so like that was always like a thing to me, but I didn't know how much thing. 00:30:31 Speaker 1: So just yeah, it's just something to do. Not much room for a guitar and a wig one. 00:30:35 Speaker 3: Yeah, I went and I applied to three hundred volunteer jobs all over the US to get my foot in the door. And like one of them is like, you pay your own way to Kodiak Island and you have to run blue crab traps for like six months. You have to pay your own food, and like you're doing it all and you have to like do this, and I'm like, nobody's stupid enough to like go live in a cabin by themselves on Kodiak and run blue crab traps. 00:31:01 Speaker 1: Yeah that sounds But. 00:31:03 Speaker 3: All these positions got filled with dudes with master's degrees. So I didn't get a job. I went back home. I poured a concrete for another year, saved my money to move to Nashville. 00:31:11 Speaker 1: This is post college. 00:31:13 Speaker 2: Yeah, before we get into the music thing, where where did your love for or the passion for that while like like where did that spark come from to say, hey, man, I want to move to the last I want to move out to the woods and live in a wigwam. 00:31:24 Speaker 3: For a Yeah. 00:31:26 Speaker 1: Where but where did that passion come? Was that like you were started hut when you were young? Was that from your dad? 00:31:34 Speaker 3: From your uncle's It was my grandpa who lived in He's from Canada, but his family moved to Upper Michigan during the depression and they lived on this one hundred and twenty farm and like they had to live off the land, you know, during the depression. So he just like he lived out in the middle of nothing, and I just fell in love with it. And he would teach me how to their rabbits and spearfish and like cooler. 00:32:02 Speaker 1: I thought you were way cooler. You're way cooler. 00:32:05 Speaker 4: Now. 00:32:06 Speaker 1: Could you do it right now? Could you move like woods and do like live? Could you win survivor? Yeah? That's what her neck And afraid I couldn't. 00:32:16 Speaker 3: Oh man, they don't know, naked and afraid. They put you into like the junk like I don't do, like I don't know, like it would have to be like they would have to put me in. They put you uncomfortable there, They put you in like the I don't do the jungle, man. There's some weird things in the jungle agree some stuff going on. 00:32:33 Speaker 1: I don't never I kind of never want to go. I think I could swing it if it wasn't for the bugs. Bro. 00:32:40 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen a dude quit because of mosquito bites and a sunburn like on that they put me anywhere close to the equator. 00:32:50 Speaker 1: I ain't even going. I'm just gonna quit. 00:32:53 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm out. I'm out, but yeah, I mean, I just it was the being out in the woods was very like, I don't know, it was my happy place. 00:33:03 Speaker 1: So did you deer hunt your whole childhood? 00:33:06 Speaker 3: I did, And it's amazing that I still deer hunt now because we deer hunted in Michigan and like around corn piles and like you would sit for two weeks and you would never see one deer. You know, it's rough. 00:33:19 Speaker 1: Do you do any other hunting? Did you do any turkey hunting or fish? Now? 00:33:22 Speaker 3: We never did anything. I didn't turkey hunt until I moved down here. Did a lot of fishing in some like rabbit and squirrel, and that was about it. 00:33:29 Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you feel the pool even now to like either go back to Michigan or to go somewhere. Do you feel that pool out of Nashville or is this home for good? 00:33:39 Speaker 3: This is home. I mean, my family's here, were in an awesome spot. I do like sometimes miss I don't mean like the deer hunting here is better than where we hunted in Michigan. It's just I don't know. I could see eight nine ten deer in a two hour morning here, like you could never do that there. 00:34:00 Speaker 1: Crazy man. I mean I still for a long time. I mean before, I guess I would say music worked for me. My backup play was like, dude, I'm I'm out, Dude, I'm just gonna go to Montana or Alaska and just kind of hide out. I mean, there was a time in my life where like I just accepted I wasn't gonna get married. Music wasn't gonna work, and so I was just gonna I mean you probably remember I. I mean I talked about it all the time, just like obsessed with like getting and still to this day. I guess that's why I asked, is I I still deal with that pull a little bit to just kind of the city's gross, dude, the city not necessarily Nashville. Nashville is a great city, but just traffic and people. 00:34:46 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gross, That's what I mean. 00:34:50 Speaker 1: There is a there is. 00:34:51 Speaker 3: A you know a lot of people absolutely, and I mean would it be cool to live like above like Losers, like for a night and that'd be like awsome, you know, but like. 00:35:01 Speaker 1: Kids, Yeah, in the summer when nothing's going on. 00:35:04 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. 00:35:05 Speaker 1: We all kind of live outside of town. Though we don't necessarily live in Nashville. We all, I mean, this was a forty five fifty minute drive for me just to be downtown. 00:35:13 Speaker 2: It was because of who we are, like like we did. We lived on a house boat for what four years and then got the opportunity to move downtown and we lasted six months because we couldn't handle it. 00:35:23 Speaker 1: Dude, literally the Bristol I mean like five and we were. 00:35:27 Speaker 2: Like, man, this is a is a super nice like flat, you know, like the city thing man above It was literally above Losers pretty. 00:35:33 Speaker 1: Much and it's across street from Virginia And dude, it was just like, dude, I missed the boat. 00:35:37 Speaker 2: Man, I miss im because that is that's me, that's us, Like, that's that's where, that's where I feel at home. 00:35:43 Speaker 3: That's what living on a boat and that's awesome. 00:35:46 Speaker 1: Man. It was awesome until it got cold. Yeah, yeah, it was pretty rough when it was cold. It's like your sewage would freeze up and bro, at least you had a bed to sleep, and I slept in the table. That's true. 00:36:02 Speaker 3: Guys are like rich. 00:36:04 Speaker 1: It's like, awesome, dude, I don't have five times platinum. Bro, you got only have four? I got three things three three, three times? Or we add them all up? Or is it just one song? 00:36:15 Speaker 2: I mean I only got one song, so three you can add them all. Let's speaking of five times platinum hit songwriter. You start playing it? What what made you pick up a guitar? 00:36:36 Speaker 3: Merle Hagger? 00:36:38 Speaker 1: What's your favorite? 00:36:39 Speaker 3: Oh man, I couldn't even if you. 00:36:41 Speaker 1: Just had to pull what's the first one pops up? 00:36:44 Speaker 3: Take a lot of pride in what I am. I mean, I don't know red Bandana, like, I mean, there's there's too many anyways. I just there was something about. 00:36:52 Speaker 1: I'm a big city. 00:36:54 Speaker 3: I love I love a big city. There's something about his music that was just like, I don't know, it was like this. It was genius lyric, but it was like something about being like allowing himself to be so vulnerable. It wasn't like this, I'm the greatest, like love, it's awesome. It was like, you know, he went to prison and like he sang about it and it was like real well life, And I was like, man, I want to do that. So when I got a guitar so I could sing real Haggard's songs around campfire? 00:37:23 Speaker 1: Were you singing before? Did you even know you could sing? 00:37:25 Speaker 3: I mean no, I mean not really. I mean I would sing like to the radio. Yeah, I still don't know if I could sing. 00:37:33 Speaker 1: You write, mister recordal that what you did, Yoda? 00:37:40 Speaker 2: So what at what point you do concrete want to move to Alaska? That ain't gonna happen. So you're like, dude, I'm moving to Nashville. Yeah, I'm gone. 00:37:47 Speaker 3: I was like, I'd written like probably eighty songs like all horrible. Yeah you know eight other deal. 00:37:53 Speaker 1: I mean I do, But you wrote eighty songs by yourself. 00:37:56 Speaker 3: Between the age of twenty one and twenty five, you know, so not like yeah, man, but that's like they were horrible. Anyway, as I moved to Nashville, so I was like, I'm doing it. 00:38:09 Speaker 2: No clue how the business worked, No clue, no, no clue. Do you did you have did you know anybody? Did you have any connections? 00:38:15 Speaker 3: I didn't know anybody. And like my dad, who's he passed away in two thousand and six, but he was like the only one that was like bro go. 00:38:26 Speaker 2: Really it was like go in that cool, like that's kind of a familiar thing, man. 00:38:30 Speaker 3: I mean yeah, I mean that that to get it. Like my mom was kind of like oy little bit, like we'll see in a little bit. And like my brother in law is like, you're gonna you're gonna move to Nashville to write hits. It's like you need to buy a house. Yeah, and get a job here. I mean I had a job and keep working and like make something of yourself. 00:38:49 Speaker 1: And it's like okay, yeah, what's your dad say? I want to know it's a go. 00:38:54 Speaker 3: He's like, you're not doing anything here anyway, Like there's no sense for you to stay here unless you like basically like sell your guitar and just like keep pouring concrete, Like go do something. 00:39:05 Speaker 1: It's good to have somebody like it's a blessing to have somebody like that to kind of push you. Yeah, mine did the same thing. I passed three of the four tests. It takes to sell insurance. And I came home and I was like, God, I failed that one. And Dad was like, thank god, dude. He was like, bro, can he do it? 00:39:24 Speaker 3: Man? 00:39:26 Speaker 1: You're not sell insurance? Like what are you doing? He was like, look, man, if you'll just go try it, he literally said this. He's like, if you'll just go try Nashville. I was like, how am I supposed to try to do? No money? I got nothing. He was like, I'll pay for your first year. And he was like if it doesn't, if it doesn't work, if it works, stay there and build your life whatever, but I'll help you. I'll help you get going. And man, I'm so grateful he did. Otherwise this miserable, frumpy not songwriter. You know, I don't think you everybody sells insurances. Miserable Okay for you, I'm already miserable and frumpy. I'm just saying i'd be one that sales insurance, you know. I mean, it's a it's a very I think it's I think it's almost like uncommon to have a dad that's that's like go, you know what I mean, instead of he took over the business or whatever. 00:40:19 Speaker 3: That societal norms where that. That's not like you're gonna do what what did you take your guitar move in Nextville? 00:40:27 Speaker 1: Like yeah, good job. Later yeah, see about two weeks so you get a pub. 00:40:34 Speaker 3: Yeah, I moved here, got a pub deal and like seven months later. But when I say pub deal, it was like I gave him all my publishing and I got eight hundred dollars a month. I still had a poor concrete here, so like not a pub deal. 00:40:46 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, not. 00:40:48 Speaker 3: A pub deal. And then uh, just like got a van and like started playing these little b clubs and like ended up getting a record deal with Renee and Joe line It Sony and they were like this is gonna be awesome, and I was like yeah. 00:41:04 Speaker 2: And then were you trying Were you trying to get a deal or were you just trying to write songs? Like was a record deal? Was that part of the reason? 00:41:11 Speaker 3: It was like I moved here to not be waiting on concrete at four thirty in the morning and Wisconsin in December, so whatever that looked like yeah, you know, songwriting, Yes, that was like my main I wanted to create songs that like people wanted to record and if I sang them on radio. Awesome, somebody else did awesome. Yeah great, So yeah, I ended up getting a record deal and like doing the thing for a while, lost it, got another one, Lost Dick got another one. Third times not a charm, spent ten years on the road, realized I hated it, and uh yeah, God put me exactly where I should have been. But I know I had to take the long way. 00:41:58 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, beautiful. 00:41:59 Speaker 3: Now it's all I mean as I get stay home and I write songs and you know, not have to worry about my public persona. Oh for sure, we have in the travel. Like the travel was just it got to the point where I didn't love music anymore because everything was like had t job, you know that the whole job was like twenty four hours a day. It's like, you know, all for this one nine o'clock, you know, and you're like you're yawning when you're going on the stage at nine o'clock at night, and it's like, this is not right. And even if the crowd is like that, if the crowd was right and made it like kind of worth it, but eventually it was like this is not like this isn't cool. You know, I'm not getting a hunt like and I'm not I'm working so hard and not making jack. 00:42:49 Speaker 1: Yeah. You know. 00:42:51 Speaker 2: So so you kind of had that same moment of staying there at fourt thirty in the morning porn concrete where in your artist career where you're like, dude, I just want to I just want to write songs. Yeah, I just I don't want to do this anymore. 00:43:03 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:43:03 Speaker 3: And I was like, you know, there were songwriters that was like, Okay, I'm an artist and like I can like have one song on a chart a year. And I knew songwriters that had like three or four songs on the chart, and I was like, this is stupid. 00:43:16 Speaker 1: Yeah, don't tell them that. 00:43:18 Speaker 3: It's like if you can do it, you know. But I was like, you can. You can have two or three songs on the chart as a songwriter and like not have to kiss all these rings, you know. Yeah, And it was not kissing your ring back, you know what I mean? 00:43:34 Speaker 1: Yeah, they definitely don't. 00:43:35 Speaker 4: Right. 00:43:36 Speaker 1: My thing was was the time like and look, I had a band, I was on the road for ten years, but the I come out of that wrote songs and then went back out with Luke, you know, and it was I called it the big sit because it was like you would sound check at eleven right and then bro. 00:43:51 Speaker 3: Nothing until still waiting like that. 00:43:54 Speaker 1: All those concrete rooms are the same, all those cities are the same. There's only so many coffee shops you can walk to for you just like, dude, what am I doing and with in your case? In the artist, I mean, I was just a guitar text and they knew me, which was fine. But like in the artist case, you can't just go run around that town without getting people on you, you know, and and having to deal with that. It's it's I'm telling you, man, it takes a special personality person drive to want to do that for. 00:44:22 Speaker 3: It does, and you've got to be like real okay with letting people in their life, like in a personal way social media like I'm just I don't. I'm not. I can't do that, Like I don't. 00:44:35 Speaker 1: These kids now with the social media, dude, it is a full time job. 00:44:39 Speaker 3: It is a full time job. And you can't even hit a record deal these days unless you have like a presence on it. 00:44:44 Speaker 2: It's the first thing I feel like, I don't know, I'm not, I don't. I don't know that world too much. But like, isn't it the first thing they look at. They're like, oh, we'll give you a deal. But you've got to get your numbers up. Your social your socials have got to be. 00:44:56 Speaker 1: At a point. 00:44:56 Speaker 2: I will say this CCW it is Krispy. 00:45:00 Speaker 1: Cartwell you have there's about a three. 00:45:02 Speaker 3: Where's a Krispy company? 00:45:03 Speaker 1: You know, like a good sharp one? 00:45:05 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I might have to see it after we get done stretches. 00:45:10 Speaker 1: Speaking of socials, we might have to have to be our first post. First in the back party one. I don't know us all doing a car? Who's the best? He was? Probably when I ain't doing a car with no? 00:45:22 Speaker 3: Can you do a car with well? 00:45:24 Speaker 1: See, I've had a little bit of sigh out of bro, your little legs, no car, we'll coming out of a car. Look at you on that cat, Bro, you need a chiropractor, buddy, I know I've been doing it. It's a real It's that's legit. I have to like it's it's hugely it's real. It is. 00:45:41 Speaker 2: But going back, there is a what a three forty three sixty bull that's above your fireplace in your house that. 00:45:49 Speaker 3: I want to say, three seventy five. 00:45:51 Speaker 1: It's a giant. 00:45:53 Speaker 3: It is huge having a record deal, perky perk of a record deal. 00:45:57 Speaker 1: The best best part of the record the. 00:45:58 Speaker 3: Best part of the record deal was free was free ol hunts, No doubt, I've got six. Like I never would have imagined that I would ever kill elk, like a moose has always been my dream and like a moose is my dream. But like I got offered free l hunts and I was like, awesome, absolutely addictive. 00:46:16 Speaker 1: Do you have a wild elk story? 00:46:18 Speaker 2: Do you have, like one that shouldn't have happened that happened, because I feel like most elk hunts they're not easy. 00:46:24 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:46:25 Speaker 3: I mean it's a lot like turkey hunting. 00:46:27 Speaker 1: So did you did you shoot them with bow rifled? 00:46:30 Speaker 3: The big one I shot with a with a rifle. All the other ones I shot with a bow. 00:46:34 Speaker 1: How is that? I've never done that. 00:46:35 Speaker 2: I want to do it so bad, dude. 00:46:37 Speaker 3: It's awesome. I mean, when they're screaming in your face at twelve yards, it's like there's a lot of emotions. It's like I'm gonna die and I'm also going to kill this thing, and like I don't know what's going to happen right now. 00:46:48 Speaker 1: Man, that sounds exactly like when my four year old is screaming at me. It's like, I don't it's a lot of emotions, it is. I don't know if I want to die, I want to kill this thing. Yeah, it's kind of the same. It's a lot of similarities there. 00:46:58 Speaker 3: Everybody, everybody calm down. 00:47:03 Speaker 1: You like help meat? 00:47:04 Speaker 3: I do? 00:47:05 Speaker 1: I love it, man, I want something I'm ready for. We're out, We're we just ran out. Yeah, your wife eat dear meat. 00:47:13 Speaker 3: Yes, and I also love the elk meat, but it's it's gone, it's long gone. 00:47:18 Speaker 1: Your kids, your kids eat it. 00:47:20 Speaker 3: Yeah, they've eaten beer, elk deer. I mean they don't know. They just eat whatever I put on the plate. 00:47:28 Speaker 1: Ds just eat. I mean my kids do not eat. My boy does my little girls, my boy? 00:47:32 Speaker 3: I mean, you gotta check. Like they will not eat. They would all be dead. If I didn't like pick plates up and walk around after them and put food, they would they would all die. 00:47:42 Speaker 1: They don't, And that's why you don't. 00:47:44 Speaker 3: As much as you want, they don't care what it is. I'm putting like what it is like, I mean, they'll they'll eat fruits and vegetables and meat. But it's like they'll they'll die if I don't personally insert. 00:47:56 Speaker 1: It, they'll be dead. 00:47:59 Speaker 3: It's like I don't. It's like, how are you not hungry? How can you not be younger? 00:48:05 Speaker 1: Tell me about it. I just feel like, right now, just eight hungry. 00:48:09 Speaker 3: They're gonna be like sixteen and like fourteen and whatever, and I'm just gonna be like, here, you go. 00:48:15 Speaker 1: Get this, you go eat that quick, throwing it on the floor. 00:48:20 Speaker 3: Yes, my goodness. 00:48:21 Speaker 1: Hey, how do you deal with as a rider when you I'm gonna switch gears a little bit when you when you hit that wall right like we all do as commercial songwriters? How do you push through that? Man? I'm tired. I don't feel like doing this today. Or what would be considered kind of writer's block. 00:48:39 Speaker 3: I cancel like a lot. No, I'll tell you the biggest thing that helped me out was not writing Fridays. 00:48:47 Speaker 1: Come the three anymore. 00:48:51 Speaker 2: I have Friday's blocked off till twenty twenty seven though, Yeah, I mean Friday's would be like, are open for like, you know, big artist rights, you know Friday I can go do that. 00:49:02 Speaker 1: But it's canceled anyway, So it's great. 00:49:04 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, but since the inception of my three day weekends, I've not I haven't had it. 00:49:11 Speaker 2: Interesting because you're not writing constantly. You're not right that you're not burned out on ideas. 00:49:16 Speaker 1: You're not. 00:49:17 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got that three day window. 00:49:20 Speaker 2: It's crazy, how like when you're when you're young in this town, you know you're driven, you're hungry, and I guess we still all are a little bit. But like you're trying that five day a week thing, you're writing doubles. Dude, I find it now and you're like full of ideas back you. 00:49:35 Speaker 1: Know whatever, You'll write anything. 00:49:37 Speaker 2: And the older I've got in the more I guess mature into my songwriting career that I've gotten mature, I've found I've found, Dude, I get more song ideas and kind of the best song ideas when I'm on a tractor or when I'm oning my yard, or when I'm i'm planting food plots, or like when i'm doing something and a kind of all way fishing, like when it kind of always ties to the outdoors a little bit, when I'm out there in my in the environment that I am the most comfortable end, which is in the woods, around the water man. 00:50:10 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm the same way. 00:50:12 Speaker 2: It feels like there is a creative thing that happens that just kind of opens up and I don't know what it is in your brain, but it just kind of like it opens you up to thinking in a more I don't know, but but it helps that we write commercial country music too, which are those things are a part of correct and lyrically content wise, like that's what we're writing about, man, And. 00:50:34 Speaker 1: They always I was always told write what you know. 00:50:36 Speaker 2: And so if you're not doing that, you're not inspired to go put it on pen and paper or I get on a computer now to a guitar when you're in the righting room. 00:50:45 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, you're right. I mean that's where I get all my best ideas is when I'm doing nothing related to music, no doubt, when I'm dealing with I love. 00:50:54 Speaker 1: That's one of the things I love about hunting is that it blocks to me that always on right, Like our brains are as commercial writers, which we are all three are. It's like you're constantly owned. You're constantly listening to things for song ideas, whether it be your granddad talking or just this dude you met or some inspired music or whatever it is, or to me one of the few times that I can like cut it off and just let my brain heal almost from the from the barrage of got pressure of trying to have those ideas and trying to have those songs, you know, melodies or whatever it is. It's like hunting chills that out. Fishing too, because I'm so focused on what I'm doing that it's like the filters go up and only the great things come through instead. 00:51:45 Speaker 3: Of just I'm there. 00:51:47 Speaker 1: Does that make sense? 00:51:48 Speaker 3: I take, I don't know. It's it's I don't know, it's like the closer to God or something. 00:51:52 Speaker 2: It's also too, and I've said this before, but like in a world that thing in the world far farward, hunting and fishing and loving every day. But in a in a world where things are so manufactured and and and you've got social media that's like just a you know, a snapshot of the best days of pet like like, but it feels like those things hunting, fishing, loving, every day love and every day trademark are are the most pure things out there. Yeah, because like they're untouched, you know, it's it's it is the way it was designed to be and it will always be that way, right, you know, and to be out there in it is you know, Yeah. 00:52:34 Speaker 3: You're right. I mean I couldn't have said it any better. Everything is. There's a lot of fake fakeness going out. 00:52:41 Speaker 1: You know. 00:52:43 Speaker 3: It's like you put a big Mac. 00:52:46 Speaker 1: It smashing big mar right now by the way. 00:52:47 Speaker 3: Yeah, well you put a big Mac next to like a grass fed delicious steak. It's like one of these is real and one of these will still be here and thirty years it looks exactly the same. 00:53:03 Speaker 1: I eat both of them. But yeah, I would eat the state. Really. 00:53:10 Speaker 2: Hey, I got a question if there is one song that you've been a part of or even in your artist thing that that you wrote that best describes your way of life, like the way you live, the way you want to live. If there's one tune that describes that. 00:53:28 Speaker 1: Best, Yeah, what is it? 00:53:31 Speaker 3: I guess it would be way out here. 00:53:34 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I thought that's what I could play it right now? Dude, that's coming around. 00:53:45 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's coming around. 00:53:46 Speaker 1: Which was Hey, here's the tip. Yeah, that's coming around. What's well? 00:53:51 Speaker 3: Hit? 00:53:53 Speaker 1: That's an e But that's an you say, d. 00:53:58 Speaker 2: I got that protected by the good lord. 00:54:03 Speaker 1: And a gun, my meet and boat. 00:54:07 Speaker 3: If you show up here and now welcome song. 00:54:13 Speaker 1: Here. I listened to it on the way. Yeah, bro, we take sake. Come on, dude, just give the course from me. We're gonna have to keep going. 00:54:26 Speaker 4: We're in a constant Wayne brother, we pulled our own so back was way, leave and go concerned with you can leave us alone. My favorite line is we're about John Wayne Johnny cash. 00:54:47 Speaker 2: You can six moneydy the well here, dude? 00:54:53 Speaker 1: That true? Is that song? Man? I got six six? 00:54:58 Speaker 2: I said, six money your cash. 00:55:02 Speaker 1: Johndy, He's like, I play that song right now. Bro. 00:55:10 Speaker 2: This when I told Jordan this on the way, and when I moved to Nashville living on house, this was my ringtong. 00:55:16 Speaker 1: No doubt weird. Does that make you feel creepy that I'm sitting beside you? I mean that. 00:55:20 Speaker 3: That's great, dude, God. 00:55:22 Speaker 1: How's that one start? 00:55:24 Speaker 3: M H you got me. I took myself off the hook of having to remember any of my songs. There's right nails on chalkboard. Daddy plays kind of music. 00:55:37 Speaker 4: Come on, dude, you ask me then I said it was border line abusie. 00:55:44 Speaker 3: But I'm getting weird. I don't mind them now. Yeah, I'm coming around so. 00:55:54 Speaker 1: So good man, that's great. I love those songs. That's great. Gosh, how's that peel? To just know that songwriters love what you do and what you did. 00:56:04 Speaker 3: Well, it feels good, dude. It's it's good to know that somebody did. 00:56:08 Speaker 1: Did you ever? Did you ever? Still? 00:56:11 Speaker 3: Because it felt for a while like nobody did, But it's good to know. 00:56:15 Speaker 1: It's good. 00:56:15 Speaker 3: No, I'm going to put some new music. 00:56:17 Speaker 1: Gap one day, oh baby, come on. 00:56:19 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gonna be like like an E d M kind of like a disco pop thing. 00:56:23 Speaker 1: We're not ready. 00:56:24 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's not good. 00:56:25 Speaker 2: Did you Did you ever think you would get to this point? 00:56:31 Speaker 1: And I know you can't. I know you don't plan for it. Yeah, I know. 00:56:34 Speaker 3: I mean I just figured like I'm just gonna like keep my head down and like do work, and like it's going to happen at some point. So, you know, doing the transition from the artist to the writer thing like took about two years because you know, you got the whole town's like, well, if it's it's a hit song, come he don't cut it, you know. Yeah, it's like because he's not cutting songs currently, right, But yeah, I mean that that took a little while. But it's like just the ability to just write songs and I have to worry about the rest of it, Like Flip totally changed the game. 00:57:07 Speaker 1: The game. 00:57:08 Speaker 2: Yeah, and to be able to provide for your family and yeah, and stay at home. 00:57:13 Speaker 3: And be home and like be grounded. Like it's the whole grounded thing, you know, being able to watch a tomato plant grow and like see yeah, yeah in the earth. 00:57:23 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the dream. Yeah for sure, you didn't even know that you wanted. Yeah, yeah, that's what's cool about it. 00:57:31 Speaker 3: It's not Alaska, but it's. 00:57:33 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm talking about, like, yeah, having having a passion to try to want to move to the Alaska porn concrete thinking. 00:57:38 Speaker 1: I'm sure that was important, that thing you wanted to say, But it's the time of the show for the one. God, that's pretty good, dude, that little left hook you. 00:57:57 Speaker 3: Take you to write that a couple of months. 00:58:01 Speaker 1: This is the part where you talked to us about the one that got away. It may be a fish, a song, big deer, probably not a girl. 00:58:10 Speaker 2: An elkie shot, an elkie shot at what is miss But now to be the truck I had to sell because I went to jail. 00:58:20 Speaker 3: No, we got a better one truck. 00:58:21 Speaker 1: I had the sails. 00:58:24 Speaker 3: Don't you go riding that one? 00:58:28 Speaker 1: All right? 00:58:28 Speaker 3: So, I, uh, where was I? I was in Wisconsin, Hayward, Maybe. 00:58:35 Speaker 1: I can't believe. I can't believe. 00:58:39 Speaker 3: So I shot an eleven point with the twenty three inch inside spread like it was a giant and somebody stole it. 00:58:48 Speaker 1: No way, Yeah, wait, I stole it? Just tell that what? How how does somebody steal what? 00:58:55 Speaker 3: I gutted it and like walked back to my truck to get my brother in law and like the other dude, I forget who's there. It's like, we're coming, help me grab this, and then went back and it was gone, No what, You've never seen that, And the gut pile was still there. So I know that the deer didn't get up, put his guts back in, some himself up and run away. 00:59:18 Speaker 1: For a fact in. 00:59:20 Speaker 3: History, I can almost guarantee you that didn't happen. So, yeah, somebody took it, so. 00:59:26 Speaker 2: You know you have no you've never seen it again now, no pictures. And the one you did that a degree angle, Yeah it was awesome twenty three inch in So. 00:59:38 Speaker 1: So what were you near a road or were you near a thing? 00:59:42 Speaker 3: Yeah, a public land. It was public land. 00:59:45 Speaker 1: Somebody just walked up on that. Bro that's a good one that got away. 00:59:48 Speaker 2: It was that public oh man, heartbreaking. Yeah, you need to calm claim Broed. 00:59:54 Speaker 1: Let's me find c c W's deer. It's out there. It's on wall right now, and we need. 01:00:03 Speaker 2: To find to get Crispy's deerback this So, where was the deer shot in the lungs? 01:00:09 Speaker 1: Good shot? Exactly where you're supposed. 01:00:11 Speaker 3: To say, we're gonna have double I'm a double lunge. 01:00:14 Speaker 1: I'm saying on the earth, where is the show we got? If we have a listener in like, what's kind of doing Wisconsin? 01:00:24 Speaker 3: Wearing some over learned a new word today. It was in Tomahawk, Wisconsin. 01:00:30 Speaker 1: So if you're listening, you're close Tomahawk. Go find Christy. Do you see barn that's right, there's a skull now and he tells you the story about how he killed this book. 01:00:44 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's mine. You're gonna get like all kinds of deer with ninety degree brow tye mail to you. 01:00:49 Speaker 1: There's gonna be a deer stolen Wisconsin. If you have a picture of that, send it to us at Jordan's hashtag. Get Crispy Cartwell's deerback. Let's do it, Let's make it. Let's I'm sorry I called you that. I just think it's amazing. That's a good one, dude, that's a good I just think it's amazing that he was a gymnast. I just would not. I mean, that's like me saying I was a gymnast. 01:01:09 Speaker 2: Blew my mind today, swimmer, you know what I mean? 01:01:12 Speaker 1: Will I swim? 01:01:13 Speaker 2: And I knew you, like I knew you had a passion for outdoors, but I didn't know how much. Dude, I didn't know that that you were. You were thinking about the moving to Alaska and doing nothing. 01:01:21 Speaker 1: That's that's cool, That's that's really cool. 01:01:23 Speaker 3: I bought a wall tint one time when I was nineteen, and a wood burner because I was just like, gonna just go move out into the woods somewhere. I didn't know where, but I was like, screw it. Got my wall tent, I got my I got my wood burner. You're ready, I'm out of here. 01:01:42 Speaker 2: Still I still feel I could I could take them I could take a couple of weeks. 01:01:45 Speaker 3: Of that year now and then when I had to sell the wall tent, but I still got the wood burner. 01:01:49 Speaker 1: You sold a lot of things you bought. 01:01:51 Speaker 3: I sld two things in this interview. 01:01:53 Speaker 1: One to go one because you went to jails. Maybe it's more than dude. You got top five, right, you got top five right now with us? 01:02:00 Speaker 2: The much yeah, number the going for number ten stars like confetti, I start. 01:02:07 Speaker 1: Wait, what happened? There's an odd at the end of it. M. 01:02:10 Speaker 3: Sorry, that's okay. 01:02:13 Speaker 2: What else you got go? You're gona put out some music, huh? 01:02:15 Speaker 3: Eventually, I mean I'm gonna have to like decide what it is I'm cutting and then like go to town and like record it and then like put my voice on it. 01:02:22 Speaker 2: And then we should probably finish some of those songs we've written, if you. 01:02:25 Speaker 3: Know, I mean, we probably should. 01:02:27 Speaker 1: There are two that are good. Yeah, those two are good. Hey man, thanks for coming hanging out with us. 01:02:32 Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I appreciate that it's over for another hour. I hope this is great success. 01:02:39 Speaker 1: Because of people like you that it will be. 01:02:41 Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks man, Josh Thompson, everybody, Hey, thanks for watching. And listening and we'll we'll have another one for you soon. 01:02:51 Speaker 1: That was a little clunky, but I have another for one soon. Watch cost for guys, we're out.

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