00:00:09 Speaker 1: From met Eaters World News headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. This is Cal's we Can Review with Ryan cal Callahan. Now here's Cal. 00:00:20 Speaker 2: Okay. Hey. This week's special draft of Cal's weekend Review brought to you, as always by Jordan Sellers, UH, the guy putting in the muscle and the backbone behind this podcast. UH. You can find Jordan all over the meat Eater universe on the website and UH working across podcasts. This week We've got Steve Candell, Sam Davidson, and Michael Gibson. Michael is the Idaho policy Advisor. I'm picking on him first because I've known him the longest. He's one of those goofy German short hair pointer guys and a big, big fisherman. Sam Davidson is the policy director of California Public Lands and Communications for the Klamath Based and Wild Steelhead Initiative. And Steve is the director uh A National campaign of the National Campaign Support Center for Trout Unlimited. 00:01:22 Speaker 1: Guys. 00:01:22 Speaker 2: Jump jump in and let me know what I got right or wrong there. 00:01:27 Speaker 3: No, I think you got a Cal. 00:01:28 Speaker 1: Yeah. I have the best hunting dogs ever bred them Pointer. 00:01:36 Speaker 2: For for certain personalities. Michael for certain personalities. 00:01:41 Speaker 3: How does add real quick? In the sports center I work in, so I just get the opportunity to work with a variety of staff like Michael and Sam as well as volunteers on a whole host of protection campaigns focused on coldwater habitat. So it's a great, great role here at TU. 00:01:59 Speaker 2: Awesome, thank you well. So yeah, cats out of the bag. We're talking with Trout Unlimited this week to you is enormous. You guys are international technically North America, North America. Yeah, and we want to also talk about national monuments. So Trout Unlimited is more than just Trout. It's a habitat organization as well, and we're going to dig into that. And then national monuments isn't as a straightforward thing either. National monuments are it's one of those things, one of those topics where everything you say about a national monument is kind of correct, but kind of not correct because they're all individuals. And we're gonna learn more about national monuments and why they can be a hunter and angler's friend as long as you're a part of the process. Sorry to tee that up in a biased way of there, gentlemen, but where where should we start? Michael, do you want to tell us what the heck Trout Unlimited does and in Idaho? 00:03:21 Speaker 1: Yeah, you bet. Obviously we're the leaders in cold water conservation, but we also, as you alluded to earlier, we work on habitat. We also work on hunting and angling issues for sportsmen and women. We work heavily on public lands protection. We know that you know, obviously our bread and butter is is stream restoration, stream protection, water protection, but that is sort of the basis of a lot of other things that are important to hunters and anglers. And so we work on policy issues at the state level and at the federal level in state legislatures, in Congress, with the administration, and we make sure that trout, other wildlife and hunters and anglers get a fair shake. 00:04:26 Speaker 2: That sounds good. And then so is that that's a North American overview. 00:04:32 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know, all of the stems from the North American model of wildlife conservation in that you know, we have professional, science based agencies that use money raised from the sale of fishing and hunting licenses to manage our fish and wildlife, and that fish and wildlife remains in the public tre us and uh, you know, we get to go out and enjoy it as citizens of the United States. 00:05:09 Speaker 2: Arn Right and Steve, you have an interesting title there. What What's what's happening in California Klamath Based and Wild Steelhead Initiative. That's you got a lot on your plate. I'm sorry, I think Sam. 00:05:26 Speaker 3: Yeah, Sam, go for it. Sam. 00:05:29 Speaker 4: Yeah. So my job is mostly on the policy advocacy side of our work, and I I also support our I've worked in and out of communications for a number of years, and I support our communications of a couple of our projects, including our longtime investment in the restoration of the Klamath River, which is hitting a high point this year, as I think probably everybody has heard now, with the actual deconstruction of its fore dams, the fourth and final of which just began or the reported as having just begun yesterday. The ultimately that will restore access for salmon and steelhead in the what was historically the third largest producer of as a watershed of salmon and steelhead on the West Coast. It'll restore access to about four hundred miles of historic spawning and rearing habitat in particular, so pretty exciting and and I'm that's kind of. 00:06:55 Speaker 2: An understatement, Sam. I mean, that's that's a lot lot happened and and a heck of a topic. I imagine that position. You're you're kind of a hero one minute and to go at the next, depending on who you're talking to. 00:07:10 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I suppose there's you know, there's always uh different ways of looking at things, uh the and there you know, there are folks who are convinced that taking out dams, whether on the Klamath or anywhere else, is you know, is not not a great idea in the In this case, it was a business decision by the owner of the dams, Pacific Core, the utility Pacific Core. They it would have cost significantly more for them to upgrade the dams as part of the renewal of their operating license than uh than it was only one of the jam dams was profitable in terms of energy development. They're all they were all hydro powered dams. 00:07:59 Speaker 1: There was no. 00:08:01 Speaker 4: Water storage or flood or virtually you know, flood control benefit as part of those dams. So yeah, it's kind of a it's it's a win win and it's one of the you know, along with the Bristol Bay, and I mean it's it's one of the biggest conservation winds that to use had to hand in, certainly at least in my time here. 00:08:26 Speaker 2: Well, imagine if you're somebody who likes to angle for your salmon and steelhead in the state of California, and you've been looking at your fishing window, your your legal fishing season getting cut down or being non existent the last few seasons. You're anxious for this fourth dam to be removed and and see those flows restored and get down to the brass tacks to seeing how many fish come back. 00:08:59 Speaker 1: Right. 00:09:00 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's uh, that's uh the you know, that's the next major phase, along with the restoration of the of the river kind of the you know, the once the channel's been which it's largely re established itself now because they've got holes in all the bottoms of the dams and they're they're draining, but there's a need to restore the areas that are the former you know below where underwater is part of former reservoirs and uh stabilize those soils and slopes and things of that sort. And that's all uh ongoing with largely being done by tribal UH work crews. So under the h direction of of a country tractor third party contractor ris I was working with the Klamath River Renewal Corporation UH to do that side of things. It's pretty exciting for I mean from an angling perspective, it's uh uh it's it's super exciting. UH, whether you're a tribal person or a sports person, it's uh. They're gonna be fish, salmon and steel ed upstream of where they were able to get the lower of the dams. It was called Iron Gate and it was just upstream of the Interstate Highway five, one of the major interstate arteries in California connecting California and southern Oregon. And there's going to be a a temporary temporary closure of the area of the river that that's called the reservoir reach between Iron Gate and the upstream reach of copcoa reservoir UH for a year to monitor the fish comeback. And but then above that in the wild Trout Designated water which is from Copco to the Oregon border, that that remains open, as does the fishery below below Iron Gate. And you know the Klamus famous for its half Pounder sealhead fishery, right, and and for good reason that's cool. 00:11:36 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I've always been amazed for a state as populous as California how you can get out to wild places still, and the Klamath is definitely one of those destinations. So I have to go check her out once once it's wild and free. That's topic we could talk about all day. But since we're talking about public lands, and as my covered out of the gate, Trout Unlimited does a lot for public lands, and the current project is uh an interesting one and it involves that big scary word that we brought up before, monument. What is the new monument and and how are we getting there? 00:12:24 Speaker 1: Well, I'll jump in here real quick, and and we've got sort of two that we're focused on. Sam can cover the one being looked at in California, but the awa he's in Oregon. Actually, the Awahie Watershed is a seven million acre watershed that's in Oregon, Idaho, and Nevada. We've been working real hard the the the Idaho portion of it was protected back in the early two thousands. We've been working for a number of years on getting protections in place for the Oregon Hawahi canyon Lands. There's about two million acres of high value wilderness quality lands that's been either put in Wilderness Study Area by the BLM or lands with wilderness characteristics. Senators Widen and Murkeley and Oregon have been working for a long time to try to put together legislation. There is an introduced bill in the Senate that would protect one point one million acres of those two million acres of wilderness quality lands and make them wilderness. Obviously, as you guys probably know from paying attention to fish and wildlife policy, Congress is kind of broken right now and there's not a lot of agreement from the two sides of the aisle on how to move forward on protections. And so while the Wide and Merkley bill is a great bill, it was put together with a number of different stakeholders and all over Oregon and is properly introduced in front of the Senate, we're not sure of its future uh in Congress, and so we've we've started a parallel track asking the Biden administration to use their powers under the Antiquities Act to designate a monument in the Hawahi canyon Lands. So we're we're hugely supportive of the legislation. It's a great piece of legislation. It's innovative, it's got some new things in it for flexible grazing. It's got an oversight committee that could do projects to improve range lands out in the Owahi. But we're just not certain it's going anywhere, and so we've we've asked the administration to engage on a monument proposal, and those conversations continue. It is it's a it's definitely a different beast than a piece of legislation, and we are cognizant of of people's apprehension with with that designation. But we're also committed to not just getting the signature from the President, but seeing that process through to a management plan for the monument that includes all of the stakeholders that use it. The Awahi is an unbelievable place. A lot of people talk about how we've been working on protections for the Awahis for the last two decades, but actually, in some of our research, we unearthed a document that dates back in nineteen twenty eight, and it was submitted to the National Conference on Outdoor Recreation in nineteen twenty eight that highlighted the awahis as one of the crown jewels of open space and habitat in the West that needed protection. So it hasn't just been two decades, it's been one hundred years. And then if you want to go even further back and talk about its importance to Aboriginal tribes, the Burns, Payu, the Confederated tribes of the Duck Valley Reservation, it's got huge tribal significance out there. So if any of you have been to Boise in the last ten years, you'll notice that it's gotten quite big. There's probably going to be a million people in the Treasure Valley by the end of this decade. And with that comes a lot of impacts from recreation. There's a lot more ohv use going on out there, and then there's you know, your traditional threats from mining, from transmission development, and you know, the folks that are engaged on this campaign and looking at the Awahi, we don't want to lock anybody out of there. We want to see it be the landscape that it is right now, but it's going to be hard to keep it the way it is without some protections in place. There's there's unbelievable habitat for sage grouse out there. We've got interior red band trout on the landscape, you've got pronghorn, you've got mule deer, elk, and then California big horn sheep and chucker. It's it's really a sportsman's paradise out there, and we want to keep it that way. 00:18:25 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an interesting chunk of ground, right, Like, there's amazing things out there. The landscapes unbelievable, but it's unbelievably brutal. So despite being on the doorstep of this crazy growing, fast metropolitan area, it's a great place to go out and not see a lot of people. But those same people are going to be the ones who kind of way in and say how they value that land. Right, So the anglers are going to have a perspective, the big mule deer hunters are going to have a perspective, the upland game folks are going to have a perspective. And how does all that come together for a monument? 00:19:17 Speaker 1: Right? 00:19:18 Speaker 2: The monument brings a level of federal protection to the ground, But does that mean that it's going to turn into you know, like the scariest thing of all, which is the place people can't go. Is it going to be preservation versus conservation? Are we going to be able to float, hunt and fish out there for those species that you just named? 00:19:49 Speaker 1: The answer to that is a resounding yes. It will not lock people out. Our hope is that we can protect fragile habitat and still allow access. We are committed as Croud and Limited and all of our sportsman's partners to making sure that hunting and fishing and access persists out there. Will you be able to drive a motor vehicle to every square inch of that landscape? 00:20:21 Speaker 4: No? 00:20:23 Speaker 1: But will you be able to access important places to hunt and fish? Yes, and we're at the table making sure that happens. 00:20:36 Speaker 2: I guess we should cover a couple of the other major uses out there right, which which should be grazing. That's kind of like a historical use in that area. Basically the only people started out there off of mining claims, I think. But what any any of those kind of quote unquote extractive uses fall into consideration, Michael. 00:21:02 Speaker 1: Well, grazing would persist. There would be no nobody's going to lose their grazing permits out there. We think with some additional resources and working with ranchers. We could improve habitat and the impacts of grazing, but we're not trying to trying to move any cows off of there. As far as extractive resources, uh, you know, monuments would not allow new mining claims. Existing mining claims would be unaffected. There would be a higher level of scrutiny on transmission projects and other industrial impacts out there. But but in general, you know, existing uses would persist. 00:22:05 Speaker 2: Got it? And what why is the monument designation the tool of choice for this area? 00:22:13 Speaker 1: Well, like I said earlier, we would be hugely supportive if Congress could get a wilderness bill done. We think Widened and Merkley have put in some good work on that, but it's just it's not seeming like it's in the cards. And so the Antiquities Act gives us an avenue to get this place protected, and then the hard work would begin of writing a monument plan to manage that area. And like I say, the big thing there is, you know, putting it off limits to new mining claims, putting some some solid sideboards on transmission development, and then also having a really solid travel management plan that uh we make sure we protect high value habitat while still allowing access it is. 00:23:25 Speaker 2: It's huge once you get out there. So yeah, the travel portion is something that that's that's kind of tricky, right. You want to be able to provide a certain level of equitable access, right, which is going to include to some degree, I would think, uh, side by side single track use. But at the same time, you have the greater sage grouse out there. That is you know, honestly, this white heat country, it could be years down the road with the way the sage grouse is trending, could be like the last holdout of the greater sage grouse because it's it's just so big and remote and you can't have folks running over old growth sage brush. 00:24:18 Speaker 1: It is. It is a really amazing landscape. I spent a ton of time out there, Hunchucker in the fall. You do not want to go out there without an inReach and an extra spare tire, or you could be in for a long day. 00:24:32 Speaker 2: Yeah, when that little yellow lab gets bit by a rattlesnakes, it's a long way out to event. From personal experience. 00:24:41 Speaker 1: It sure is, but it is probably it is one of the largest landscapes still left in the lower forty eight where there's significant opportunity for conservation, especially for sage grouse habitat and other game. 00:25:00 Speaker 2: And seeing those desert big horn down there is amazing, Like watching the way that they moved through that crazy rim rock country. I've sat on top of those rims and watched brown trout feed subsurface because the water's so clear through my fifteen by fifty six is So that's not an experience everybody gets. It's it's pretty wild, tons of raptors. It's it's amazing country. I want to swing back to timing and the Antiquities Act and how we ensure that we can we can keep what's important to us if we mobilize around this idea of a monument. So it just just keep that in mind, Michael. But Sam, what what's happening on the California side. 00:25:57 Speaker 4: So we're the campaign that we're heavily vested in now here is to gain national monument designation for this area of public lands about a little over two hundred thousand acres of mostly the Klamath National Forest. It's actually administered by three. 00:26:21 Speaker 1: Four US up there. 00:26:24 Speaker 4: The whole area, and it's called the Medicine Lake Highlands or in the language of the Pitt River tribe whose home land it is, it's called Cititla. And this area is this campaign is relatively new. It just launched last November, and it's one of these kind of extraordinary places that have been a little bit maybe under the radar from folks who aren't locals up there, but which has kind of remarkable uh uh implications for hunting and fishing. This this area is really unique geologically and hydrologically. It's uh it's the largest remnant of the largest shield volcano in North America. And uh landscapes very porous, it's very rugged and very porous. And that that whole complex stores and filters as much water as mostly from snow melt as as as as California's two hundred largest surface reservoirs. So it's it's this amazing like reserve of cold, clean water. And it drains in sort of an unusual way. It's the uh it drains to most of it drains to the southeast and into the Fall River Valley where it comes out of the ground in a variety of springs. There's a complex of springs there, the Fall River Springs, which are the largest spring system in California and one of the largest in the Western US. And it's the principal source, possibly even the soul source of water for one of the most famous trout fisheries in the West, which is the Fall River, and that's California's largest spring creek. And and they're they that river system because of the springs, has unique chemistry. 00:28:59 Speaker 1: Uh. 00:28:59 Speaker 4: And it it's really prolific in terms of growth of weeds, hatches of insects, and trout which are consistently you know, what would be considered trophy sized trout. In a lot of rivers, it's mostly float fishery, but it's it's where we are. Our interest in this is largely because of that connection between the Fall River and it's trout fishery and and that kind of unique trout population there and the and the highlands, and it's there are water bodies and fishing opportunities up higher as well as pretty good upland game opportunities. 00:29:54 Speaker 1: It's uh uh. 00:29:57 Speaker 4: The X one zones, one of the the is bracketed by a couple of California's X zones deer hunting zones, and there's turkey, prong, horn, mule and black deer up there, Quail. It's it's a really it's a it's a relatively remote and it's still relatively unspoiled area that the Pier River Tribe is has decided after decades of fighting to preserve that area and their cultural sort of the cultural heritage and importance of it to them from things like energy development. It's in particular, there's a big there for many years, and there are a number of leases outstanding for this purpose to develop geothermal er G facilities. So anyway, there's there's a lot. It's one of these kind of last best places for hunters and anglers in California certainly and probably in the western US. And I would also say with respect to you know, some of your questions earlier cal about monument you know, designation, what what that does or doesn't do for sports people. I think of it as like we're we're we're actually like monument designation actually preserves for the the only I can only think of one place where there was any conflict with a pre existing if hunting, with hunting and fishing that were pre existing uses and so, and that's being rectified. That's in the Castle Mountains National monument here in California, and that's getting fixed. Everybody agrees that was a mistake. It's National Parks Service administered, which was the principal source of the problem there, and and so national monument designation actually is one of the best ways of keeping things as they are, including access for traditional uses including fishing and hunting. And when there's a you know, we're not we're not making any more super high quality habitat. We have to and you know, with the things getting hotter and drier, and a lot of parts of the country in the world, there's a lot of you know, we have to do more faster to protect it. So in this case, national monument designation makes a lot of sense, in particular for the Setitla area of the Medicine Lake Highlands. It's which is an area of kind of really extraordinary scientific as well as cultural value that the designation makes a lot of sense under the antiquity sect. 00:33:07 Speaker 3: And I think it's worth emphasizing Sam and cal that these monuments we're talking about in for Service and BLM Land. I don't think it was already said that management of fish and wildlife populations stay with the state. Fish and wildlife agencies. I think that's often misunderstood. It gets confusing quickly because monuments certainly apply to BLM and Forest Service lands, but they can also be designated on federal lands managed by the National Park Service or the US Fish and Wildlife Service. But we're talking about again BLM Forest Service lands. Nothing changes in terms of the authority that those state Fish and Wildlife agencies have, and it's been really interesting to see you said it before, Cal. These are flexible management tools and ways to protect these areas. We've seen in some recent monuments in the last year, places like the Grand Canyon National Monument of Equm National Monument, Nevada, where they even added additional language just to clarify that point that the state agencies, you know, certainly retain that authority, have the flexibility to continue working with the federal land management agencies and a whole host of of habitat manager and projects, so it doesn't tie the hands. It kind of is business as usual for that relationship between the States and the Feds. 00:34:25 Speaker 5: Thanks Steve Jordan. Siller's here for the listening audience. As as regular listeners will know, Cal frequently works while out in the field and he had a storm roll in which cut off his connection to Elon Musk and Starlink. So I'm going to go ahead and continue this this super fascinating conversation. Michael, you had mentioned that once the president designates a monument, then that you said, the hard work of putting a plan together starts. Could you talk a bit about who controls that process, how long does it take, and then also do people have a chance to weigh in on that. 00:35:16 Speaker 1: Yeah, there is after the designation of a monument, there is a period of time where a management plan needs to get written. We obviously support having as many stakeholders at the table to discuss that management plan. It depends on the landscape as far as how long it takes for that management plan to be in place. It can happen in as fast as a year, or it can take a little longer than that, depending on what's going on in the landscape. But those are put together by the whichever age and see the monument is designated under. So in the case of the Hawaii's in Oregon, it would be the Bureau of Land Management and Department of the Interior that would run that process of getting a management plan in place. 00:36:18 Speaker 5: And then Sam does it kind of look similar. 00:36:22 Speaker 4: In California, Well, for the Satilla Monument, it would be the Forest Service would be the oversight it would remain the oversight agency. There's I mean, historically most national monuments were managed by the National Park Service, and now for the last ten years or so anyway, maybe slightly longer, new monument designations have mostly been not kind of created out of whole cloth, but have been created for areas of super high value use for recreation, for habitat, for water sources, for cultural reasons, etc. That are managed by the Forest Service of the BLM, And in those places, those agencies have, to my knowledge, remain the administrators of the monument. I think there's based on experience that we've had in some monuments since I think there's a better understanding now on the part of those agencies that putting together monument plans, plans for managing the monuments properly in accordance with the purpose for which they were established, including hunting and fishing opportunities, is a higher priority, and so I think we'll I think there's some optimism that we'll see more emphasis on that for new monuments going forward, and and certainly on on. You know, from our perspective and that of our partners working on these campaigns with us, there there's uh, you know we you know, we're committed to helping them do that and engaging hunting and fishing folks in that process from the get go. 00:38:26 Speaker 3: I think it's worth mentioning to Jordan more of the recent monument designations. I'll go back to the Grand Canyon example. When they're designated, they create advisory committees. It's part of the monument designation. And these advisory committees have representation, certainly tribal representation from grazing permittees. I know with the Grand Canyon example, they do have some seats available for folks in the angling, hunting, conservation world. And then they also had a specific mention of a seat at the table for Arizona Game and Fish. So just one more opportunity to get a good collection of folks around a table to as Michael said, kind of roll up your sleeves and work through a whole list of issues. A lot of these issues are where the kind of rubber meets the road for your public land anglers and hunters. Now, staying engage in those processes is important and can result in some good outcomes for folks. 00:39:15 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's probably worth jumping in here too because this comes up a lot in conversations. But a monument is only the federal land that it's designated over, so private lands not affected, state lands not affected. It is in the case of the A while he's in Oregon, it would only be BLM federally owned land that would be under this management plan. 00:39:45 Speaker 5: That's a good I'm glad you clarified that because I think sometimes people think a monument is sucking up, you know, all these other types of land and turning it into a monument. But it's just federal land that is under a different designation is now under a monument designation. I think, uh, a lot of hunters and anglers probably some listening when they hear that something is going to be a national monument. And we've touched on this, you know a little bit already. There's a concern there that this land will be no longer available for access. And when we talk about different stakeholders having a seat at the table, you know, one of those stakeholders, you know, could potentially be folks who want to preserve that land as opposed to conserve it for multiple uses. They don't want to see people on it. They they they don't maybe like hunting and fishing. How how can folks uh make sure that that that land stays open. What are some things that our listening audience can do to to to make sure that they still have access to those those lands? 00:41:01 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I can jump in. I think again, just just to make clear that you know, the authority for managing those fish and wildlife populations stays with the states. That should put their minds at ease. So you know, for example, Brown's Canyon National Monument was designated back in twenty fifteen here in my home state of Colorado. You know, elk tags, fishing licenses still managed and distributed by Colorado Parks and Wildlife, so that doesn't change. That's that's key with these BLM four service national monuments, So they don't want to lose sight of But you know, once designated, once you kind of have those general sideboards for management. And Michael touchdown this well, really we're just talking about maybe two or three core things about no new leasing for energy development, no new stake you know, mining claims, and then also the third one, I don't think Michael touched on was it prohibits the sale and transfer of federal public lands within that monument boundary. That just makes me think back Jordan too, you know, years ago, and we had some bad ideas, you know, Perkle in Congress and state capitals about selling off large tracks of federal public lands and that issue in particular. I never saw English and a hunter's rally together better than around that issue to push it back and stomp it out. So people should feel good about that part of monuments as well. It keeps that federal public lands in place. Make sure your favorite places to fish and hunt don't get sold unbeknownst to you. So that's worth mentioning. And then you know, back to the planning efforts. You know, everyone has their favorite hunting grounds, their favorite places the fish, but engaging in those processes, those travel management planning processes that might alluded to that's where again you're kind of talking road by road, trail by trail. But again in some of the more recent monument designations, I keep thinking back to a Grand Canyon last year. You know there was specific language in there about you know, providing reasonable access for hunting, fishing, habitat management. So those issues have come up in a number of these designation processes. People should keep bringing them up, but they haven't gone overlooked. The BLM four Service has heard those concerns and worked some of that language into these proclamations, which essentially offer kind of initial blueprint for managing these areas until you go through a more extensive planning process. 00:43:22 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would. I was going to jump in on that one too. And that is a key piece of a monument is this proclamation language which identifies what they call objects, which are the important things on the landscape that need to be protected. And one of the reasons that Trout and Limited and it's partners in the hunting and angling community have engaged on monuments is we when we start writing those proclamations, we make darn sure that hunting and angling is part of the proclamation. Absolutely. 00:44:00 Speaker 5: So what what should people do if they want to see these monuments designated? Who should they be contacting? 00:44:08 Speaker 1: Well, we've got a lot of resources on tu dot org. We've got a landing page for both of these campaigns. We're working with partners UH in the sportsmen and women community, the National Wildlife Federation, backcountry hunters and anglers are working on the Oregon away. He's they've all got their own avenues of entry, but it's real easy to go to tu dot org and find these landing pages. We've got petitions that can be signed. Those those are tracked and and periodically given to decision makers in Washington, d C. The administration as well as the Oregon in California designation uh uh congressional representatives and add your name to those petitions. Keep informed on what's going on. As we pick up steam here towards the end of twenty twenty four, there's going to be a lot of opportunities to engage. 00:45:20 Speaker 3: I had to add George, I'll make a quick plug for in twenty twenty three to you and some of those same partners at Michael just mentioned. We put together a monument report just because, yeah, most people don't have a good sense of what they are, what they do, what they don't do. So if you go to t dot org, if you just go into your favorite browser and type in trout and limited National Monument Report, it'll come up, and it does takes a deeper look at again the details of national monuments and also it looks back at four different monuments designated years ago. Brown's Canyon here in Colorado's one of them, Oregon Mountains, a Desert Peaks in New Mexico, Missouri river Break, And it really takes a deeper diving and looking at since monument designation what did it mean for the hunting and fishing? And I think the take home message is that it you know, when these monuments are done the right way kind of how we're describing, with good input from anglers and hunters, they can be a net benefit for communities as well as public land hunters and anglers. And those three places I mentioned, the list goes on offer some world class hunting and fishing opportunities. 00:46:27 Speaker 5: Yeah, I would recommend and we'll we'll link to this report, this National Monuments Report at the memeater dot com slash col So if anyone wants to check it out, I would definitely recommend it. It's super interesting, lots of great photography in there, So yeah, check that out. Well, thanks guys, I appreciate you're all coming on and and talking about this topic with us. Anything else that you wanted to mention before we sign off here. 00:46:58 Speaker 1: Well, just thank you guys for giving us a platform and getting the word out. These are important landscapes for the hunting and angling public. We need to be aware of this. There's plenty more that need attention to so I would just encourage your listeners to stay informed and get involved. We need your boys absolutely. 00:47:25 Speaker 5: Michael Gibson, Steve Kendall, Sam Davidson, thank you guys so much, and thank you all for listening. We will see you next time here on Cale's Week Interview

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