00:00:02 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host, Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm your host, Mark Kenyan. Today in the show, we're here for Fresh Radio, in which we're getting updates from hunters all across the country on the latest deer activity, current conditions, and the tactics that can work for you. Right now, all right, welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by on X. We're here for the last regular episode of ret Fresh Radio for two thousand twenty. That means today we're gonna hear from hunters all across the country on what's happening out there in the woods, how weather's impacting things, how the time of years impacting things. What types of tactics are are relevant and helpful at this time of the year. Um, and that's you know, it's it's it's a little bit of sweet spencer knowing that our weekly checkens are coming to a close. But it's been a good run this year, isn't it. That's right? Yeah, this is this is a finale of season five, and it still seems weird that we've been doing this for five years. It seems like the wrong number, but it's not. Uh. Despite this being the last episode, what you're kind of gonna here today is probably relevant for the next month. And that's not like a thing that you can say for any other episode during the year. What you hear in mid October isn't relevant in you know, mid November. What you hear at the end of September isn't relevant at the end of October. But I think what you're gonna get out of this December six episode is going to be good for the rest of however long your season goes. If you have a season that goes until the end of January, what you're gonna hear is talk about today, it's probably gonna be real event for these next six weeks. It's uh. It's the late season, man. In the late season is is from here on out until until seasons closed. Antlers drop and we're right back into the new year. So so you're absolutely right, it's uh. I hesitate to say it's simple. It's not simple. It can be. It can be a challenging time of year, but it can also be a great time of year if you have the right spots of the right situation. Um And and I don't know do you want me to walk through I mean, we we've talked about this in the past. There's nothing terribly revolutionary about this time of the year except for knowing you know how to react when certain conditions come through and then locating places where you can take advantage of those conditions. Um Uh. Do we cover some of that stuff with the guests or should I run through some stuff? We cover some of that with the guests, Mark, But I've heard you say this on probably every season of Red Fresh Radio that late season can be the great season. So remind us again, what does it take for this next multip hunting to make the late season the great season. I'm really good with that rhyming stuff, aren't I. Um. So, you know what it is is that at this time of year, more so than any other, deer are um concentrated in specific places, and they're very focused on mostly one thing, and that is the best possible food source because there, you know, they've been running around like crazy over the course of the rut, and winter is coming and so all deer within the population are trying to put on calories to make it through the upcoming tough months. So you know, it makes to a degree, you know, figuring these deer out simple if you find whatever it is they want to feed on. Right now, you've found the deer and they'll be relatively patternable. Now, of course, this is more simple if you're trying to kill a dove versus a six year old buck. But even that mature buck in certain places, if you've got a spot where he's not getting a shirt and harangued all the time, even that deer might be more patniable at this time of year than any other two. So you know, step number one is simply trying to find that best food and maybe you've got it on a property you can hunt, or maybe you don't. If you don't have it on the property you can hunt, you need to figure out, well, where is that best food source on someone else's property, And then you know howard dear traveling through mind to get to that. You've got to figure out how that influences dear movement where you can hunt. So maybe that means that you don't have the food, but you who do have the betting, or maybe you don't have either, but you've got the travel corridor between the two. You gotta figure that part out. But step one of that map is the food, and you can figure that out by long distance observation. This is a great time year to be glassing from afar if you've got places to do that. Um. You can also take advantage of snow at this time of year to really tell the story because in the snow you can very clearly see where deer have been traveling recently. You can very clearly see where deer have been feeding recently because you can see the pot up snow, fresh dirt. Um, it's it's spelled out much more obviously than than almost any other time of the year. So snow helps a lot. Observation helps a lot. You can still run trail cameras to figure this stuff out, just like you do it any other part of the year. Um. But all these things I would preface with the fact that you've got to be more careful than at any other point of the year to not pressure these deer because they've been bumped around, they've been hunted, they've been harassed for months now, so they're gonna be you know, walking on pins and needles. So we two as hunters need to walk on pins and needles to not mess up what little bit of advantage we might have. UM. So for me, that means all of what I just described. I'm usually doing a lot of long distance observation and running trail cameras, checking those every once in a while in the middle of the day when the wind's right, um, and using that to tell me, you know, if the deer I'm after, or if any deer I'm after our you know, in the area, and if they're still in the area, then I'm going to wait until one of two things happened. And it's the same thing I would typically be talking about, you know, in early October, middle of October, which is ideally I'd like to either see or get a picture of that deer moving in daylight or have a big cold front coming through that will get that deer moving in daylight. So mega cold temperatures right at this time of year, if you get those single digits mean it's all relative to where you live, I guess, but whatever extremely cold is for your area, or some kind of significant snowfall, those two things usually get those deer on their feet and going more than any other time. So if you see that, it's time to get after it or if you're scouting tells you to do, so go in there and make it happen. Um. And you know, all the other details that we talked about throughout the year, as far as stand placement, as far as entry and exit, all that still applies. So you gotta play all your cards right. You gotta know how to get in. You've got to know the right place to sit in relation to where those deer gonna come out. But just remember that, you know, at other times the year you might be thinking about scrapes and rubs and funnels and uh, you know the October lull quote unquote or whatever, all that stuffs out the window. Now, just just figure out the food and then figure out where you can hunt in relation to that. And that's gonna get you started and in the right direction nine times out of ten. Um. Yeah, you know that's that's that's at spencer. I mean, there's a bunch of other little nitty gritty stuff depending on your situation, but that's if you've got that figured out, and if you can find what that top thing is, you're in the game now. Right now. For example, UM, I'm hunting does in Michigan and I don't have the main food source on the properties I'm hunting, so I've been kind of clinging to hope that maybe I can catch a straggling Doe family group just checking out one of these little like third option, fourth option, very poor food sources that I still do have in my area. Um, but they're very obviously not doing that, so I'm kind of just clinging to the past. And I still was able to kill a deer tonight doing that, but instead of seeing what what should be fift deer, I saw four and I know that's not the long term solution. So I got away with it tonight, but I don't think I'm gonna try that again. I realized now that, Okay, if I want to get these deer, I don't have the best food source right now, but I know where that best food source is on some other properties several properties away, and I can at least get in between them. So you know, that's how I'm going to adjust. I saw tonight that this is not where they're at. I've got a really good hunch of where they will be. I'm gonna make that adjustment next time I come out and hunt a transition, and uh, I think that will get me right in the middle of the movement. Yeah. And ultimately, Mark Um, late season can be the easiest time or the hardest time to kill him a sure buck. Just all depends how your property sets up. And I can think of some places that I hunt where it is by far the hardest time to kill them. Try book. Then there's other places where it is by far the easiest. Um. And it has to do with all those things that you just talked about. Now, if you get done with this podcast, Um and you still want more information on late season hunting, I have three articles that should be on your reading list. One of them is from Mark it's called three Places to Find a post rut Buck that he wrote in late November. And the two articles from Tony Peterson, how to kill a late season buck on public Land and three Overlooked deer hunting Tactics for late season. These are all articles that you can find on the mediator dot com if you go over there, navigate from hunt to whitetail or searching our search bar, and you'll find exactly what I'm talking about. Now. The people we talked to this week are Dan Moultrie from Moultrie in Texas, Josh Hilliard from the National Deer Association in Michigan. That's talking to Further's first appearance on RUT Fresh radio. Oh Man, alright, I love it, Hunter Little Masters from the Release in West Virginia, and the Garrett Armstrong from White Tailed Properties in Iowa. Well, guys, get ready, this is gonna be a slam dunk podcast. We got we got Further and actually I'm playing on talking with him at the very end of the year for the end of the year wrap up chat two. So you're gonna get a preview of Josh tonight and then you're gonna get a full blown j Hilly. You'red uh, I don't know what. I don't know what you call it or something. So you get five minutes today and then you get like sixty minutes at the end of the month. So this is a good little appetizer for more Further. What what more people want at the end of the year. We're giving them everything we couldn't have in We will give it to you now in the end to send the year out on the right note. That's right, all the podcast downloads coming over with oh Man, it's gonna be a killer alright, dude, alright, Mark Well, I will talk to you in one for our Red Fresh Radio wrap up episode. Until then, good luck with what's every left of your season? Same to you, buddy, alright and joining us on the line next is Dan Moultrie from Moultrie in Texas. Now, Dan in Texas, what would you say the buck activity is on a scale of one to ten, The buck activity is really pretty good. The bucks for coming to horns and the rud is on. But all South Texas is in sort of a drought right now, and and the ranches where we hunt were in a stream drought, and so I think the dose are in poor body condition, and so I would give it a scale of six because it's sort of a trickling rut instead of all intents at one time. So let's go with six on that special. So what phase of the rout would you say different parts of Texas are in right now? It's it's it's the in South Texas. The rud is on from the Golden Triangle down. I mean, it's prime time right now. But again, when the with water being so imperative to the size of the horns and the quality of the deer and the quality of the reproduction and those it has uh slowed the those activity. You don't see them all coming in. You still see a lot of those with their yulings with them and that haven't come in, but the bucks are ready to run. You know, we probably had as good a years as you could have. We killed eight bucks. Uh and and like I said, they were coming to horns also. But that we averaged about one sixty on free range deer, which is just you know, as good as it gets. And you never would have done that if the rut hadn't been on. So a little bit of a little bit of weather conditions, but that's really typical of South Texas more so than almost anywhere else in the United States. Uh. You know, everything is conditional upon how much rain you get down here. So with that area being in a drought, do water sources factor into your setups at all? Absolutely, and especially on bow hunting. Uh. The the water holes, really, they may not come to a feeder, they may not come to corn on the road, they may not come to whatever food source they've been on, but they're gonna come to that water hole sometime during the day or the night. And most of them were not nocturnal. Uh, most, you know, we saw all activity during the day. So yes, if somebody who's gonna do a set up, it's a great time to have a set up on a on a water hole or as they call them, out hit tanks where the windmills are. You mentioned that you were doing some rattling this week. What is a typical calling sequence look like for you during peak rod in Texas? The the most you know, they've always been good that the buck to doe ratio down here is so good on the big ranches, it's always been really close to one to one, and so you always get very good response off horns. Uh. We started about two weeks. We've been down here three weeks and we started about two weeks ago rattling pre hut and they came to horns, And I don't think we did a sequence that we didn't see deer come in and down here it's different than a lot of places in the US. You don't have just one deer coming in. You may have you know, the last sequence we did though, day we had three bucks come in and they start making sort of circles around you, and there you can tell the bucks are in La la Land. But you know they they don't believe they're lying. Is not seeing the deer once the rattling because they're so intent on coming into the to the fight. So really this is the best rattling place I think in the US because of the good buck to dough ratio. But they really were coming to horns. Well, do you see midday movement in Texas like you do the rest of the country during peak rutt Yes, we saw it, Yes, absolutely you do. And again it got up into it was eighty six and then it'll go down in the highs for the day will be in the seventies. But it's rare that we get below that down here during midday. But even when the temperature was up, we were still seeing activity of of bucks pushing those during the middle of the day. And it's right now when we just left the ranch, it's you still we're seeing you know that going on. I think it's gonna trickle out where usually it's it's around the tent as the peak and its start tent to the fift something like that. Down here, I think you'll see it trickle on for this month and then the second run will come in for anything that didn't get breadth and uh, I think it'll be fine. But it's just again just the dry weather conditions in mid December in Texas. Where do you want to be running most of your trail cameras right now? We if, I think, because a lot of the deer and they're they're all hungry also, so this would be more than trails, or more than scrapes, or more than some of the other places people put the crossings or whatnot. If I was running my trail cameras right now, there's two places i'd have. I'd have them on the feed source and I'd have them on the water source. If you had your your feeders and your water sources cameras on, you're gonna catch, you know, all the deer at some point you're gonna have You're gonna have a great inventory of what you got there and what you what you have available to hunt going forward. Then, in this next week or so, what do you think that buck activity is going to be on a scale of one to ten in Texas? I think it will continue to be the six down here in South Texas because of the the the drought weather conditions. I think that it will will be intense up to that six, but again being defined by the shape that the does are in and the harsh weather conditions. All Right, Dan will congrats on the great bucks from you and your buddies down there. Thanks for joining me. Good luck with what's left your season, It'll be great. Thanks for calling. Wish everybody good luck and have a happy holiday, all right and joining us on the line. Next is Josh Hilliard from the National Deer Association in Michigan. Now, Josh in Michigan, what would you say the bucket activity has been, Hey, Spencer, thanks for having me. UM. I would say buck activity here in Michigan has been very low, like maybe like a two, maybe a three, UM, you know, lower on my end, and I've seen some people have been having some success, but we're just wrapping up about a month worth of guns season here in Michigan. UM, and then the zone where I'm at you you've been able to use uh any type of legal firearm for about a month now, just a couple of days of break between our general firearms season and then uh what has traditionally been a muggleloader season that has been opened up to additional weapons this year. So there's been a lot more pressure these last couple of weeks, um than what I've traditionally seen during muzzleloader season. UM. So I think it's just a byproduct of a lot more pressure on these deer and more hunters in the woods right now. I've I haven't seen a buck in my last few hunts Primariland, public land. Um. But yeah, it's been it's been tough on in here the last couple of weeks. Do you typically expect to only see no internal movement then for the rest of the season in Michigan. Yeah, you know, I think what we'll see some some daylight movement if we can get some cold leather here, some snow. Um, it's been a little bit warmer than what I would expect, and it's been like in the forties here, high thirties, where we're going to be consistently low to mid thirties here the next week or so, and then looks like maybe by Christmas we're supposed to get a nice little drop in temperature. So hopefully that will get some some bucks back on their feet and moving, uh in daylight hours, trying to you know, hit some food sources again, trying to put some of that body weight back on um leading into the into the winter here. It's supposed to get a couple of inches of snow today, but not looking like we're gonna get that. So I'd love to see a few inches of snow on the ground and some cold weather moving in, but um, it doesn't look like that's gonna be happening here in the next week or so. I know, you just you didn't do a public parcel this last weekend. If you're doing some in season scouting in Michigan, what kinds of things are you looking for in mid December? Yeah, I mean if there's if you can find any spots with any with any oak trees or acorns on the ground still, um, you know, back into some difficult to access spots. I think that's key right now, especially if you're hunting public in a in a state like Michigan where it's heavily pressured. You know, we were able to to use a boat and to get into some some marshy areas that um, you know, I don't think it hit too hard, um, but there's definitely still hunter signed back in there, so people are still getting there if you can. I'm looking for areas that maybe have some food or maybe have some good thick betting tome with some you know, oaks or something on a ridge or something where where it's difficult to access for for your kind of everyday guy. That that's what I'm looking for right now, is trying to get away from from the crowds if I can. Besides acorns, what other food sources should hunters be focused on right now? Yeah, I mean, if you if you've got access to you know, any egg fields or anything around, if you can find some some standing beans or um, you know, a cut corn field that hasn't been disk under yet or anything like that. Any anything like that would be would be great in an ideal scenario. Um, you know, if there's any sort of green forage on the ground still, um that they're they're chomping on and that's always a positive too. But um, you know, hopefully you've got somewhere you can get that at least maybe it's even if it's on public maybe it maybe it butts up to some some private egg fields or or or whatnot. But um, that would be you know, ideal scenario would have some standing beans or something like that. But they're keying in on where are you running a lot of your trail cameras in mid December. Yeah, I've got a little forty acres that I that I hunt. UM actually haven't hunted it much since I killed a buck on it back in mid November. I've kind of stayed out of there. UM. I don't have any like great food sources on that property. UM, but what I've got is really good betting cover, especially like thermal bedding cover. UM. So I've this is my second year on that piece, and I've ran some cameras on that place around um that that betting cover. UM, I seemed I seemed to hold a lot more dear on that property late in the season. It's right in the little um Creek bottom and it comes up this little hill into the like about eight or ten acres of conifers and pines and just great betting cover. So I've been kind of monitoring that the edges of that um in the late season, just kind of seeing if I've got any you know, any bucks kind of that have moved into the area, UM or maybe have been displaced through through guns season. They're looking to get away a little bit. I try to keep the pressure low on that place, so um, ben checking cameras and see if I have any new bucks showing up here in the late season. I haven't yet, but um, I had a couple of new ones show up last year. So we'll see if if anything shows up, and then try make a couple more calculated strikes down there with with my ball here in the late season going forward. Then in the next week or so, what do you think that Buck ACTV is going to be on a scale of one to ten in Michigan. Yeah, I hope it starts to pick back up a little bit, and I could see them to beget into like a four or five, um, especially later towards the next week. Um, with some of those temperatures coming down, hopefully less pressure in the woods with the gun seasons wrapping up, and and I think less people are out in the woods with their ball this time of year. UM, So hopefully a little less pressure, a little colder weather, maybe some snow here in the forecast the next week or so, we'll get those bucks starting to be a little bit more daylight active. All right, JOSHU like your optimism. Good luck with what it's after your season, and thanks for joining me alright and joining us on the line. Next is Hunter the Masters from the release in West Virginia. Now Hunter in West Virginia. What would you say the bucket activity has been lately on a scale of one to ten. Lately within the last week and up to now, I'd say it's right around the seven. Um. That's so because where I'm hunting right now, one of the spots, there's actually a lot, a lot of big population, a lot of those, and the second route, I've noticed a lot of chasing, and uh so that's been why I'm giving into seven. And then I've talked to a lot of other people around here and they've been seeing a lot of chasing as well as well as fresh scrapes and a lot of daytime movement. Now, you just recently killed a great book in West Virginia. Tell us about that set up, why you were there, and why that buck was there. I killed this buck on Saturday at twelve, and I worked nights last week coming up into that, and after night I went out scouting all day long whatever to some public land that I round about show Camerzon was moving stuff around, and then I got back to where I was wanting to hunt that evening, which is where I was wanting to focus the next few days, but instead of hunting out, decided just going and scout and see how the deer were using the pro begin coming out into the fields. Because I had a camera cell camera on this food plot over the field by hunt and there's recently there's a lot of activity in the evenings and a lot during nighttime and a lot of bucks were moving, So I wanted to see how they were using that, how they're getting into that field. Right at dark, I had a loving point come into the field, so I saw where the buck was coming into the field. And the next morning I got up on the ridge and uh, I caught a couple bucks coming back to bed and so does but nothing. I was really wanting to shoot, but I was really focusing on that next evening, and that evening I got back in there. Uh had the same wind as the night before. Um, it was a little cooler, it was raining, but I knew I had to be in there because I've seen that action the last few days. So I got in. Um, a couple of little bucks come out, and then right before dark, I saw the buck that I had shot pushing two dose and he pushed him right to me, right underneath me, and I was able to get a shot on him. It sounds like food was the key to that haunt. What food sources should hunters and West Virginia be focused on right now? I think right now with um how the weather is changing in bucks are just pending on the area to like where I'm at. You know, you just second rut a lot of days weren't bread. They'll come back in. So I think hunters in West Virginia they should focus on areas was more population. You get out to trail cameras and see where they're moving, but try to focus in on where the doosese are at. Is where the those are at. The bucks will be right now, and they were in this case. The uh they're all coming to that food plot. There's that big field in one section of it's a little bit of food club where at a farmer come in and plant some mouthalfla, different clovers and grasses, and they've been hammering that lately. So that's why I was in there. I got in between that and the betting area trying to get them staging down from betting to that field. And as as they able to do that, I think That's how what people want Virginia to be focusing on just where the where they're feeding. Um, try to get in catch them as are coming in and going out of that. Do you notice a shift in bedding in mid December in West Virginia? Depends on where you're hunting again, Like where this spot where I've been hunting throughout the year it has changed lately. That then actually betting closer to the food source, just getting around the food sources and hunting the wind correctly and you get a good luck at being successful. What's the idea whether that you're looking for this time of year in that part of the country. Uh, big weather shifts like right now, Um, but then the last week it's dropped twenty degrees. I think it was like sixty the first days scout an hour he uh snowing in the thirties, a thirty degree change. And uh today I've noticed a lot more action on my cell cameras. Be are moving around, bucks are moving around. So just that changing weather, good pressure. This week, this past week, and this coming week is looking like it's going to be a great time of hunt going forward. Then it's next week or so, what do you think that bucket activity is going to be on the scale of one to ten in West Virginia. I think it will. I think it will be up around and nine uh the next couple of days. The pressure is looking good, the weather is dropped in the snow, um, they're gonna keep moving. And I had that second round activity going on. I think the next few days is going to ramp up even more. And some of the friends and cousins I've been talking to you, it seems like they're having the same action that I've seen. So I think the next few days here in West Virginia is a great time to be out in the woods. All right, hunter, congrats on the great buck. Good luck with the rest of your season, and thanks for joining me. I appreciate it. Thank you alright and joining us on the line. Next is Garrett Armstrong from white Tail Properties in Iowa. Now, Garrett in Iowa, what would you say the buck activity has been lately on a scale of one to ten. On a scale of one to ten, I would say the buck activity has been about a four and a half uh. And the reason I say that it would be better, however, we're in the middle of our second shotgun season, and in my area there's just been a lot of pressure, a lot of a lot of driven hunts, a lot of guys out, and that's really suppressed the natural daytime movement. However, we did experience We've got about four to five inches of snow on the ground that we've had for about four or five days, and with the colder temperatures, the movement has been good on some food sources, so it kind of it's somewhat balancing out that that human pressure. So on farms that aren't getting a ton of pressure, I am seeing good buck movement right now. What are some of those food sources that are relevant for hunters right now in Iowa? I mean, right now, it's gonna be your grains, um pick corn fields have been really hot. If you've got some standing beans with this snow, I've been seeing good movement there and they're just starting to hit kind of my Braska turn up plots. So I would assume that everybody's plots are in the same position, just starting to kind of hit those pretty hard, but really grains, corn and beans still going to be the primary food source right now, whether it be from late season, whether or gun season. Do you notice a shift in bedding in mid December, and I you know what I am, I'm seeing uh some of our kind of traditional you know, betting areas, ridge tops and some north facing slopes that would have betting, you know, during during the rut. Now everything's really shifting to the super thick cover and anything south facing. Again we're you know, mid twenties too, low thirties during the day and in single digits overnight, so we're we're definitely seeing south facing slopes kind of hold hold more, dear at this point, where are you running your trail cameras right now? My cameras are a hundred percent on food sources. In fact, actually today I'm I'm moving a couple of cameras around that I've had set up since November. Um. Again kind of getting ready to be prepared for for late muzzleloader season. Um, everything's going to food sources, uh, edges of cover and just kind of transitions from betting to food. Just trying to get a handle on what's made it through shotgun and what's gonna be around late season this year. Do any setups in the morning this time of year, you know, I personally don't. UM, I'm a I'm a afternoon hunter only this time of year. I guess if I had some some intel from the cameras that would give me a reason, uh and some motivation to hunt morning, I might try it. But that'd be a pretty rare scenario. So for me, it's really just slipping in, you know, quiet afternoon on some food, seeing what's hitting the food, and then getting out. So I'm I'm not getting really aggressive this time of year. I'm hunting edges only, and again that's the benefit with the muzzleloaders. You know, I've got a little bit of distance and reach as opposed to you know, archery equipment. So I'm just hunting the edges of food and trying not to disturb my properties as much as possible. Historically, do you notice any kind of a secondary rout in your part of Iowa? You know what, I have seen a little bit of it. And a good friend of mine and client of mine hunted first shotgun, which was you know, December six seventh eighth. He was out that first weekend and he actually did experience some running activity. Um he had bucks bumping dos around, um kind of checking and seeking. So, uh, yeah, we we do see a bit of a second area run. But again it's gonna be you know, suppressed and at a much lower rate than what we've seen in November. Has signmaking pretty much gone cold for you? Uh? It has. I haven't seen any open scrapes uh at all. And and again I say that because I really haven't been spending a ton of time inside these properties, just trying to keep pressure off. But some of the kind of community scrapes and bigger scrape areas on the edges of food sources have you know, and gone dead for me. Going forward, Then, in this next week or so, what do you think that buck activity will be on a scale of one to ten in Iowa? If I had to make a prediction, if this weather stays the way it is, um, I think it's gonna increase a little bit on food. So I'm gonna give it. I'm gonna give it us six on food. We still have some relatively mild temperatures, and I don't think we're gonna have the weather too to really get those big bucks on their feet moving early and on food in daylight. I think we're still maybe a couple of weeks away from that. So so I'd say next week we're gonna be you know, five and a half to six on Buck Movements. All right, Garrett, I hope you get the weather you're looking for. Good luck with what's left to your season, and thanks for joining me. Yeah, thanks so much. And that concludes this week's episode of rout Fresh Radio. And that concludes season five of rut Fresh Radio. Thanks to Dan, Josh, Hunter, and Garrett for joining me, and thanks to all of our contributors for the twenty season of rout Fresh Radio. And thank you guys most of all for listening. Mark and I will be back for an extra rout Fresh Radio at the beginning of January for a recap of the season, and after that, I'll be back in September for season six of the podcast. If you want to fall along with what I'll be doing for the next us nine months, go follow me on Instagram at Spencer new Hearth and subscribe to our newsletters at the Meat Eater dot com. I will talk to you in tw one and until then, stay wired to Hunt.

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