00:00:02 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host, Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm your host, Mark Kenyan. This is episode number two and forty six, and today we are back with our RUT Radio miniseries in which we hear from hunters all across the country about the latest deer activity and behavior, the progress of the white tail Rut, and the tactics that are working right now. All right, welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by Onyx, and today we are back for RUT radio. And this is kind of when RUT radio hits its stride, I feel, because we are now there. In the words of I think Bing Crosby, I think Frank Sinatra, I think just about any probably Michael Bubla, Harry kind of JR. It's the most wonderful time of year. I think they've all said that on a song at some point, and and it really is. It's not Christmas, it's the Rut. It's uh, it's basically here because when this podcast drops is Halloween, I think, and sweet November will be right at our fingertips. And what we do here on RUT Radio if you're not familiar, as we chat with hunters from all across the country to get the latest and greatest on what's happening in the woods right now. What's the progress of the rut, What kind of sign are we seeing, what kind of deer activity are we seeing? What are the conditions and variables present that are impacting deer and deer hunting. That's the kind of stuff that we have for you today. And Spencer new Heart is the man who goes out and collects all that. Spencer, are you as excited as I am? Yeah, I'm I'm echoing your enthusiasm for this time of year because only on RUT Radio, we're going to start hearing some things that involve rutting. So you know you're gonna hear some pre rut stuff, talk about seeking and chasing, all this stuff that gets you excited for the end of October and the beginning of November. Yes, I've we've been waiting all the year for this and it's here. And uh, you, my friend, have a little bit of a rut report that you could probably share, Is that right? I heard you did some hunting in South Dakota Yeah, I've been jumping around the state hunting some different pieces and makes of public and private and uh, basically from now to the next month, I'll be hunting nearly every day and so uh, this last week was really exciting. It was the stuff that makes archery hunting super fun and super frustrating. Twice I had shooters uh within forty five yards. It just never came together for me where I was giving an opportunity. But I'm comforted that it is the end of October and the best is yet to come. But on both of those hunts, it was dealing with deer that were acting how you would think they would act this time of year. The one buck came in tearing up some scrapes. The other buck came through dogging a doll. Uh like basically the middle of the afternoon. It was almost four hours before sunset. So uh, the deer are doing what we want them to now. I just got to be in the right place at the right time. But Mark you, on the other hand, you did get it done. Congrats on the awesome Nebraska buck. Super proud and super jealous. I know you're gonna say most of the story for your regular episode, dropping on Thursday. But on that hunt of what kind of running activity did you see? Yeah, well, thank you. First off, it was it was really cool and as far as the activity that I saw, I definitely was seeing what you hope to see at the end of October. Some of that pre rut leading into the right activity. UM saw bucks making scrapes and saw bucks beginning to cruise a little bit. I saw mature buck up on his feet, probably similar to what you saw about four hours before dark, cruising a river bottom. Almost got a shot at him. And then about two hours before dark, I saw another buck doing the same thing and I did get a shot at him, and UM. Another thing that he was doing related to running activity is that he was very susceptible to calling. He definitely was rutted up, fired up, and aggressive because I was able to call him into range with a snort wheeze, So I got really aggressive with that. Could tell he was probably the big boss in the area, big rutted up neck, biggest year I've seen down there, and UM decided to challenge him and that worked. He came right in. So you know, there were not a lot of deer in this area. Without without sharing too much about the hunt. Very low deer density. UM, So I wasn't seeing like tons of chasing or scraping or anything, or sorry chasing or um seeking or anything. But there was a little bit of that cruising beginning. And um, like I said, calling worked so as far as Nebraska, I'd give it like a like a six or seven on the scale probably um, and I'm sure it's just gonna get better. Yeah. Well, this week on the episode, we talked to Hayden Krimmer from Legendary White Tails Wisconsin, and then Hunter Forbes in Kentucky from Southern White Tail Outfitters, and then Trent Siegel in Kansas from Heartland Bow Hunter, and then in Georgia from Georgia Field is Brian Grossman Excellence? Do we do we have any themes yet in mind? Um, or anything that's on your mind that you think is going to be a theme based off of things we've seen traditionally this time of year. Again, I'm gonna jump back to last year's episodes. Last year we were hitting cold fronts just perfectly timed. We talked about in last episode if you pulled a lot of calendar and circled the dates, he wanted cold fronts to rolland uh, we got them. They were coming on the weekend. They were, you know, happening right when some of the best running activity was happening. That's not going to be the case this year. And so you know, there'll be some nuanced stuff that we talked about to help you kill him, ature buck. But like you and Dan talked about on the getting ready you for the Rut episode, the number one factor for you killing a deer right now and just putting in the time and being in the woods. Yeah, that's the truth. And you know something that's worth noting. And this is a hard lesson I learned a handful of years ago, UM and me and Andy May when we were out there in Nebraska, we were talking about this and how we both had experienced it. Um. This being the fact that during the rut sometimes you want to be careful not to get too wrapped up in the weather conditions and things like that and let those depress you in anyway. So, for example, back in two thousand and fifteen, I was out in Iowa and I was hunting, and I hit this cold front and then a big warm spell came through and it was gonna be in like the mid to high seventies, and I just remember thinking, me and all my friends were thinking, oh gosh, it's gonna ruin on our rut vacation. Um, there's nothing, nothing's gonna be moving, blah bla blah blah blah. And in most times of year, you're gonna see this reduction and dear activity when it gets, you know, unseasonably warm. And there was a reduction in dear activity during that time period, but it is the rut, and things still happened during the rut. And I because I thought maybe I could cash in on get some brownie points by going home, I decided to leave Iowa for a couple of days, take care of some family stuff during this warm spell, and then come back when the temperatures start dropping again. During that two days that I was gone, three of my friends all killed nice, big mature bucks despite the warm weather. So it was just a great reminder that you never want to get too caught up in it during this time of year. This it's it's the rut. You gotta be out there whether it's seventy or thirty. Um, yeah, those colder days might be better, but magical things can happen at any time out there, so tree stand time is key. Yeah, and that goes for the other factors outside of weather as well. Right now, the rut trumps everything and it's not going to get better than what it's going to be these next few weeks. Yeah, that's the truth. So as you you kind of alluded to it. But if you if you missed it last week's episode of Wired Hunt, at the end of it, me and Dan kind of shared some main rut hunting principles, definitely check that one out for for a couple of this high level concepts to be keeping in mind during these next couple of weeks of hunting. Um. But if you'll allow me, Spencer, do you want to do just one or two other quick pieces of run hunting advice while we've got people here before the reports. My my best advice isn't necessarily something you can apply right now, and it would maybe go back to what you were doing for the last few months, But my best rut advice would be to largely stay out of the areas that you consider your best spots and uh, you know, the places that you think you might be sitting all day come this time of year. Because uh, it's only going to make things better right now if if you haven't been in there four or five times, and uh, if you just let your trail camera soak in there, if you haven't been hunting it and blowing deer out, that's gonna benefit you in the long run. And so my best rut hunting advice would be to, you know, stay out and take things easy until right out. Yeah. So so that being said, I guess I'll just reiterate that that stop saving stuff just about now, like we're about time, it's about time to go for it. Um. You know, as we get into these first couple of weeks of November, now is the point when you need to dive in and throw some hail Mary's. And now is the time to go sit that betting here, and now is the time to dive into that deep funnel location, sit there all day. Um, you gotta take every little trick you go out up your sleeve and try it now because this is that that moment when you can possibly capitalize on it. Um. So yeah, put in the time, be aggressive when you have to switch things up, and don't be afraid to try new things. Um. But as I mentioned last week. Whenever you're confused or starting to get frustrated, always go back to the principles of pinch points and dough betting areas and do activity areas and those things. As long as you're hunting and somehow related to something like that, you're gonna be in a good position. And then, of course, like I had success a couple of days ago, calling can be particular the effective this time of year as well. So snort weez is if you really want to get really aggressive, maybe some extraus bleats rattling can work now. And now is the time, kind of as I've been saying several times, now, now is the time to try these different things. So, um, I think what I'm sensing is that I am rambling, And when I ramble, that's usually a good sign that I should just stop and let you continue the show Spencer with ourt radio guests. So that sounds a good plan for you. That sounds like a good plan. Congrats again, Mark on the great deer. But let's get to our first color. Sounds good. Before we get to our first color, let's pause for a word from our sponsors at white Tail Properties. This week. With white Tail Properties, we are joined by Tom James, a land specialist out of Central Indiana. And Tom is going to be telling us about what to look for when your goal is to flip a property. Okay, great question. 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And number three look at uh sometimes an often overlooked aspect of timber that people don't know A lot about is um the quality of the hardwood species that are on the property. If you can find eighteen inch and larger diameter trees in their specifically white oaks, red o, walnut, cherry, um, sugar maple, the white oak market is extremely hot right now, and anything above that is gonna that size range is gonna return dividends that you could use applying to paying the property back off and also doing some great habitat work in the process by opening up the canopy and getting some good habitat work going on in there. If you'd like to learn more and to see the properties that Tom currently has listed for sale, visit white Tail properties dot com. Backslash James. That's j A. M. E. S alright, and joining us on the line first is Hayden Krimmer in Wisconsin from legendary white Tails now Hayden in Wisconsin. What would you say the buck activities ben lately on a scale of one to ten UM, I would say it's about a seven right now. Um. Starting to see some more mid day movement with some mature box and a lot of younger bucks on their feet cruising their own checking for those and so the midday movement that's something you've seen in person, or that's what your trail cameras are telling you. Yeah, that's something I've seen in person. UM. I was out in western Wisconsin this weekend. I saw a mature a mature buck at fourth or four thirty on Sunday and at eleven thirty I saw that same buck on Saturday, so, UM, they were definitely on their feet. We also had another guying camp who killed the buck at eleven thirty on Sunday. UM, he was following a hot doll and UM, the action was definitely picking out during mid day. So what types of areas are you focused on for these all day sits in Wisconsin? UM, a lot of saddles and funnels. I also UM focused a little bit on UM just don win areas of betting as well as food sources. So trying to be in areas where there's a lot of thick cover around UM and just good funnels for them to be working through. Checknford and does so would you say that's the exact same types of areas that you'll be focusing for like these next few weeks. As the running gets better, Yeah, as the running gets better, I definitely like to stay tight to betting, especially on all day sets to feel like staying close to bedding is the best call if there's a better chance that you're going to catch a buck on its feet checking those areas for dose. UM. But then in the same situation, I like to be within the vicinity of some food sources as well, because that's typically where the doughs are gonna be. So you want to be in the areas that the doughs are gonna be. Have you been doing any calling there in Wisconsin yet? Yeah? So that in time where I had with the mature buck at eleven thirty on Saturday, he had came out into a cut hay field with a dough and he worked a scrape on the edge of the field and started working um towards another bedding area. And when he got across the field that I threw out a grunt at him and he came on a bee line straight towards me. So UM, the does Winz definitely wasn't hot since he reacted the call like that, but it worked like the time I grunted one time, Adam, and then UM was completely quiet after that and he came right in. He ended up working past me at thirty yards that couldn't get a shot off because the bush is too sick. But that was one of the best responses I've ever had to grunk call. He definitely heard it and came straight in on a string. You mentioned there that you were sitting on a hay field. What do you think the food sources look like right now in Wisconsin for someone looking to kill the mature buck over these next few weeks. Maybe that's something that people don't always consider a ware these deer feeding. But what have you been seeing? Yeah, so what I saw this weekend, the only time I saw der feeding was out in the hayfield. The other staying locations I was sitting, there wasn't a lot of UM, wasn't a lot of other food around. There was some natural brows, but I didn't see them stopping the brows on any natural stuff. UM. A lot of the deer I saw him the timber were if there are bucks, their cruising looking for dose UM and then the dose that I saw just and moved right past them, assuming they were goingly to other food sources. UM. I think the natural browses kind of slowed down. I think they're switching to more of that traditional food source. And definitely there was a lot of feel I saw in that cut hayfield even the middle of the day two o'clock there um frequently coming and going out of that cut hayfield. So are you starting to see some deer now in areas that previously had only been spots that you were finding nocturnal movement? Um? Not really. That was the first time they had hunted that farm this year, so I don't have much of the reference to go off of. But before a couple of weeks ago, I was seen a lot of browsing on acorns and natural brows So, um, I'd say it's transitioning more away from that. So yes, it's it's changing going forward. Then the sex week or so, what do you think that buck activity is going to be on a scale of one to ten in Wisconsin? I think it's going to be anywhere from a nine to ten. I think the end of October is usually when that first deal comes into heat and then every buck in the area is honored. So I didn't see there was only that one hot dough that I know from that guy in camp that ended up feeling that buck. But there's definitely bucks moving around looking for dolls. I think in the next couple of days here, Um, those first early dolls are gonna start popping in. The actions really gonna heat up. Alright, great Intel, Hayden, thanks for on me. Thanks Spencer alright and joining us on the line. Next is Hunter Forbes from Southern White Tail Outfitters in Kentucky. Now Hunter in Kentucky. What would you say the bucket activities man lately? On a scale of one to ten, Man, I'm gonna have to give it around with six right now. The way the weather has been here lately, it's just it's been a lot of nocturnal movement from them. Um, daylife activity has been pretty slow. But as soon as he's a little bit of cold frosts come through, was gonna be kicking off and be getting a little bit better for us. Up to this point, I might give it about a six. And so do you see any of that promising whether on the way that might turn things around? Right now as I'm doing this at seventy seven degrees, honest, it's Warman's blowing hard out of the south. Looks like a couple of days of rain, and then towards the end of this week, we should have a couple of days that we're really looking forward to being an industry on. Well, looks like you guys have had some success in Southern white tail outfitters. What have those set up spend like lately? Everything's been so unpredictable for us. You know, a lot of the have been seen just quiet, you know our range. Um, the set up set that we've been killing them all lately is really been taking advantage of using some like different cell cams and we've been able to focus on where you see buck movement between five and six in the morning, some somewhere right there where they're gonna bed near it, and it hadn't been consistent, but um, the deal that we've been able to take have been pretty much where they stand up in the afternoons and then to make their way a little bit of food before they start looking for some does if we have been having the most of our success so you've been right on top of their bedding then or closer to the food source that they've been hitting in between if we can. You know, every farm and set ups can be a little different with how access is and how you can get in there on them um, but the closer the better, and it's just it has been changing so much, they're really unpredictable. Um. But with that little bit information because a lot of times that if we don't have any kind of mobile unit on the camera, we're checking in. We're seeing where we should have been, you know, three and four days ago, and it's not that most recent information. The biggest thing is they've definitely out of their patterns and they're slow really getting there to start looking for those. You know, the younger bucks are starting bump them around a little bit, but the mature bucks have been I'm gonna say, of a movement spent at night and if you catch them in that timber sent it's gonna be on one of those other day after the front. As we've seen most of our deer, the deer that you guys have been killing. Are those bucks that you've been familiar with or are you starting to see a lot of mature white tail start to move in there that maybe you haven't seen since summer or have never seen it at all. It's been deer that we're familiar with, you know, and it's until last night. I'm gonna say last night was the breakthrough night going through pictures and everything of of seeing new mature bucks. Um, I've noticed the past three or four days we've been picking up some no younger through and a half yold year that we're unfamiliar with. The last night was the first night and I've been probably on six or seven cameras we had new mature bucks show up. Of course I said it was at night. By that's the step in the right direction that we're looking for. Have you or any of the hunters and camp been doing any calling yet, Yes, they have been and had some little bucks respond to it. Um. We had a theory that was missed with the muzzle letter that was actually grunted in he saw him, you know, well across the field. Um grunted a few times than dear did come in to where he had a shot opportunity. So it is working, you know, time and place. As we get into the best part of the season where uh, you know, the rutting activity peaks. What were your setups look like then? Will they be different than what you've been doing lately or will they be a lot of the same stuff between feet and bed Um, it will be a little bit differently. I'll say, we have been taking advantage of scrape lines right after these rains and around the front. Um, that's that same area. Get them coming out of the bed and going to the scrape, going to food, that whole transition area. UM, we're trying to keep those as happy as possible on us, UM, get them super comfortable. And I'd say as we go closer to the rut, we're gonna be having those food sources where we have the most those Are those scrape lines going to be relevant for you guys a little while yet or is that something you start to not pay attention to as we hit November. Hey, we're with the mature bucks. I still haven't seen a lot of mature bucks um using them in the day. So I think we have, you know, the better scrape hunting still in front of us. And it's very likely this this weekend when that's gonna get right for us. UM. But I'd say within the next week we're still gonna be on that as best we can. And then and then from there we're gonna be going, you know, more of the food sources, especially in the evenings going forward. Then the sixt week or so, what do you think that bucket activity is going to be on a scale of one to ten in Kentucky. I'm gonna give us an eight for the weekend. I think that's gonna be the first one that we're really going to see some mature bucks on their feet and doing what they're supposed to be doing. All right, hunted, Well, good luck to you and the guys in camp. Thanks for joining me. Thank you Spencer alright and joining us on the line. Next is Trent Siegel and Kansas from Heartland Bowl Hunter. Trent in Kansas, what would you say the bucket activity has been lately on a scale of one to ten, I'd say it's been really good, probably like UM an eight or nine. As far as daylight and what are you basing that off of your trail cameras or some sightings that you've had while hunting lately, Both trail cameras have have definitely had a decent amount of daylight activity and then hunting and seen some good bucks. And then another indicator that we all kind of see nowadays is um just a number of bucks that are dropping um around our hometowns on on social media. So a lot of the great planes lately has been dealing with excess precipitation that's kind of delayed harvest. Are you saying that in Kansas? And what are maybe some of the repercussions from that with that late harvest? So the biggest thing that I've noticed is, Yeah, most all of our crops are still in. We got it like record rainfalls earlier this month and fields are still muddy, crops are still standing. And and just what I've noticed is, UM, it's been a delay in getting bucks on camera on properties that UM show have shown up by now, I guess in years past UM and ones that I know made it through season last year I haven't had on camera yet UM. And I I think it's just because the crops aren't out. Is So what phase of it rout would you say we're in right now? Pre rod seeking and chasing? What do you think is going on in Kansas? I honestly think UM definitely seeking chasing, and I think there's those that are getting read right now. UM. I've noticed last week there is a lot of good daylight activity and mature bucks UM. And then now it seems like it's it's very sporadic and I'm seeing a lot of fonds on cameras and then out hunting too that are by themselves. Um So, I mean, I think their moms are are locked up with some bucks and it's going to be that stage where we're just trying to catch those big mature books in between those. Now with it looking like the ruddy is maybe going a little bit sooner, what would you attribute that too? You know, I deer hunting is a funny I don't know, just a funny game we play. I never used to believe the moon had anything to do with it, but um, this year was one of the earliest harvest moons or second full moon after the um the fall equinox, and I think, I mean that's the only thing that I can attribute differently this year. And then obviously the rainfall and stuff that. Um, I do think the moon maybe has something to do with it this year that it's kind of it's definitely an early rut. Um, they're a big deer dropping like crazy. Um, just in the last week and a half. What strategies are you using right now with calling when you do some blind rattling and said had success for you in the past in late October? Yeah, absolutely, Um, it's it's definitely the time to be doing some grunting and rattling. Um, I'm trying, and it about every sit Um I did see two bucks, um weren't actually the best buck fight I've ever seen in person. Um a week ago this past Sunday, So just like eight nine days ago. Um, it was just two nice like two year old just I mean fighting until they were trying to kill each other basically. I mean it was an awesome light. So it's it's definitely time to be hitting their horns together and and doing some callings with some more extreme running activ that you've seen. Do you think, uh, signmaking is no longer relevant? Are you still seeing a lot of fresh sign in the woods? I think it's still relevant. And I'm still getting a lot of um nice box on scrapes. Um still hit the mock scrapes. You know, I've never tried until this year that putting the scrape trees out in front of some stands and some food plots and hunted over one of those the other night and and had a lot of good luck, and pretty much every dyear coming in the plot came right to that scrape tree. Even the doughes, we're going over to it. And and kind of sent checking in and stuff. So, um, there's that they're definitely doing that. It's one of their main ways of communication. I feel like, um, in a great way to get some most recent information. As some of the guys like to say, get their cameras on there going forward. Then this s next week or so what do you think that bucket ATV is going to be on a scale of one to ten in Kansas, I gotta say it's it's only gonna get you know, stay just as good or get better. M It's it's supposed to get colder. Um, the moon is going to be a little less full, which I always think it's easier to hunt. And you know with the the month turns or the calendar turns to November, so it's it's gonna be that magical time. So um, that time we all dream of all year long. So it's it's gonna be rocking channel hit history is any indicator you're gonna have a big sucked down with your bow here pretty soon, So good luck and next for joining me, thanks a lot, man, same to you to have a good dress your fall alright and joining us on the line. Next is Brian Grossman, from Georgia, Field in Georgia, now Brian and Georgia. What would you say the bucket activity has been lately on a scale of one to ten, I would say, on on a scale one to ten, I would I'd say a six. Right now, Um, we're really starting to see a lot of new scrapes pop up. Um, starting to get some reports of you know, seeing some some young deer chasing, uh that kind of activity. More dear, I put out a mock scrape here behind my house a few days ago, and uh seeing a lot of different bucks showing up checking that out. And actually, I guess the last night I caught a ten second video clip of a little buck chasing a dough. He chased your past the camera twice in a ten second time frame, so he was he was definitely uh going after But um, you know, no no reports yet of really any mature bucks chasing or you know, any serious red sign yet. Would you say a six out of ten is normal for late October in Georgia? Yeah, yeah, I mean I think some things seem to be progressing about like you would expect this time of year. He says, this is about the time you kind of see a peak and scrape activity and uh you know, rubs and and start seeing those younger bucks, you know, showing the first interest of kind of chasing after some doves. What are some of the food sources to focus on right now in Georgia? Uh, still heavily on white okay corns this time of year, and of course you know some red okay corns too. Of course we're you know in uh agricultural areas are still be you know, hanging out in agricultural fields, green fields, and that's that's pretty much acorns right now. As we get into the best hunting of the season these next couple of weeks, as bucks start to run more, is that the same food source that you'll focus on all the way through then or will that change as far as food somewhurce especially and that I'm not you know, really in an agricultural area here of Georgia. UM, so yeah, it'll it'll still you know, rely heavily on on white oaks. Um. But you know, I'm trying to uh take a note from the these uh the public layer that just the uh dining public guys, and trying a little more getting in closer to betting areas and and uh seeing a suttle work a little better than the house in the past. Have you been seeing any new bucks show up on trail camera? It's kind of that time of the season where you might start to see some deer that you have seen some the summer, or maybe never seen it at all. Yeah, I am, um, I'm running a couple of trail cameras on a small nineteen akers here behind my house and just seeing really for the size of the property to seeing an incredible number of bucks starting to show up here in the last two weeks. Um, nothing only only one, you know, really noteworthy, but just a lot of different bucks, young bucks. Going forward, then in the six week or so, what do you think that buck activity will be on a scale of one to ten in Georgia? Hopefully here in the next week. I mean that it should only get better, so maybe you know an eight. Um. Right now, we've we've hit a little warm snap. It's been those mid seventies today, it's supposed to be eighty tomorrow. So you know that that does seem just from my what I've seen, Uh, it seems to have suppressed some of the daytime you know, buck moving or daytime dear move um certainly isn't gonna you know, affect the timing of the rut, but it can't affect daytime activity. Um, and it seems to have done that, but it is supposed to. We got a co front coming on Thursday. It's gonna dump a bunch of rain and then our temperatures are gonna be back down to you know, more in line with what they should be this time of year. So hopefully, you know, with with that cooler weather and just the normal timing of the rut here where I am at, thanks should start getting good. All right, Brian will thanks for joining me, and good luck this season. Sorry, thank you, Spencer, And that concludes this week's episode of Wired Haunts Radio. Thanks to Hayden Hunter, Trent and Brian for joining me, and thank you guys for listening. As always, make sure you're following Wired to Hunt on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and YouTube, and follow me Spencer Newarth and my blog Rut Fresh on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram as well. The next time I talk to you, guys, it will be sweet November, and I am stoked for what's to come on radio and in the woods, stay Weird to Hunt

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