00:00:00 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Welcome to episode number thirty three The Hunting Collective. I've been O'Brien today. I'm joined by Adam green Tree, my buddy from down Under. He just so happens to be in America on quite a I think it's eight month run hunting the States with his family as his wife Kim and his three awesome kids, who you will here at the start of this podcast. And uh, they're a perfect family there. They're an Australian family, that's for sure, but they're a hell of a good time. Adams a great person. We've hunted all over the world together, one of my favorite folks in the industry, somebody admired greatly for what he does and who he is, where he came from. Hopefully we'll learn a lot from that, and you'll learn a lot from Mr green Tree. An episode number thirty three. Here it is Welcome to the Hunting Collective. I'm joined today by two special guests, Aaliyah and Noah. Yeah, Yo, you're famous pretty Muchah, you're famous. Uh No, not really, not yet, is the proper answer. Have either of you ever been on a podcast before? No? Never, never, never. I'm really good at talking nice that's good. That's good. And your dad is who's your dad? Your dad is Adam green Tree. Yeah, what do you know about what you can tell us about Adam green Tree. He's he's a really good person. That's good. He's a good dad. Yeah. Um he's a good bar Hunter probably one of the best in the world. Um. Uh. He makes fun of Cameron hay Taste. Yeah, is that it? That's the horrible It's more. It's just it hasn't come in my head. Well, my dad is about Hunter and he's really good. He's famous on Instagram. He does really cool stuff and that I like it. I think that has a good job. He has a good job. Yeah, too bad. Kimmy Grant Trees not here. Too bad with kim and Tree, tell us about your mom's cool. She's about Hunter as well. She does pretty good. She still needs a line a lot more things, but she's doing good. She's doing good. Yeah. Yeah, that's awesome. That's awesome. You guys live in Australia. Yeah, but you're here in America six months six months in America. We've been here for two months, so that means four months, four more months. That's crazy. So, uh, how do you like America. It's cool, it's cool. McDonald's. McDonald's is not good though, is not good. We discussed this. But you do like the chickens chicken sandwich though. Yeah, that's good, that's good. Oh my god, Helliah, do you what is your opinion on McDonald's in America? McDonald's is our okay, but it's different than Australians McDonald's, which I don't really like. But yeah, it's okay, it's okay. Yeah. What else about America? Do you? America is fine, but it's just a lot different than Australia. It has two things and people are different. Like you would be in the middle of nowhere and you'll still see cars drive pass. You've been the middle of nowhere in Australia and you'll see nothing for like a month, the whole month of nothing. Yeah, pretty much like Middle Australia, Western Australia, Northern Territory, that type of area, like the Kimberly's. You want to say, you want to see people, You want to say, you know something really nice about America? Yeah, America? America? Yeah, what do you tell us? More? That's my favorite state so far is Montana and Oregon with that was a hunt with Accubo and stuff, and then and then Colorado that was really fun. Yeah, what about Idaho? You like that? Yeah, it's fun. It's just we've it's we kind of got sick of it. It's like it's like there's like stuff to do. But once you've done that stuff, it's like you're getting ready to go to Kentucky. Yeah. Like we're traveling through like South Dakota, Illinois, Louisville and stuff, like with your dad. Yeah, my older brother Hunter, he's not here. He's slumped out, he's asleep probably Leah. Yeah, and dad. We're gonna be traveling to Kentucky in the next few days to go to the get what hunt. Yeah, Whiteail in Kentucky with Acubo. Now, before you guys, uh, you guys have to go. Yeah, before you go, could you just give me one thing you've learned about America? One piece of American like a fat at your favorite factor in America that you've learned during your time. The people are crazy. That's not a fact, but we'll go. We'll go that. I don't really have opinion, but yeah, there is people are different here than Australian people. There's different accents here, which is like completely different slang. Like you, guys, you probably don't know what I'm slaying right now. I haven't. I haven't understood word you've said. Yeah, I heard my name basically, that was it. That's right. So you don't didn't learn anything about like the founding fathers, maybe public Land or anything. Like Christopher Columbus. Yes, I think he. I'm not sure this is I'm kind of guessing, but he discovered Columbus and o Hire first and they kind of recognized that's a good guess. We're gonna stick with that. Columbus got the Columbus first. I mean, that makes a lot of sense, because do you have any historical, uhformation to provide that you've learned during your time in America? Sorry, but no terrible homeschooling. Oh yeah, um, that's homeschooling is hard. It's not really. It depends. So my homeschooling is kind of different to everyone else. I So whatever state we like travel or like go through a go pass, all write like ten facts about that state. So like let's just say, for example, Montana, the capital's Helena. The population is like three point four six million people. Well done. Yeah, that was the three points six million people was kind of guess it's something like that. Well, listen, we appreciate you being in our country. Yeah, and letting your dad hang out with us. Yeah with us. Yeah, and it's sick, but you need to come to strut. I'm coming and Joe Rogan and Steve Ranella. Maybe we'll just all go on Netflix together. Yeah Data. Yeah. Yeah, you guys were asking who in the office here is a Netflix actor and really it's only Steve Rinella. Yeah. Like second, there's like there's like people that like kind of like film and like like featured on Data. That's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah. Yeah, too bad. Adam grand treason't but okay, but you never know, never never know. Okay, Well, thanks for joining us. Yeah, we're gonna bring your dad on now. Let me see if all the things you said are true. Yeah, fact check. No, you might want to bring me in again because I'm just such a good talking like not trying to put myself up, like I'm the best talker in the world right now. Currently currently rankings first is Adam no Grand Trade, then Steve Rannella his voice This one to make you go slate. Now, how old are you give the people, I'm sixty nine thousand, trily not. I'm actually eleven years old. Eleven years I am nine years old. I birth day was like a month ago, six September. Perfect, well, happy birthday, thank you. Yeah, all right, thanks guys. You're welcome. Mr. Green Tree, Mr O'Brien. How you doing. I'm doing really well, you are. Yeah, I'm probably at the peak of my life or the highlight of my life right now. I'm telling you, dude, your family is awesome. Yes, I awesome. I know this. That's why they're my family. That's right, They're not mine yet. Now. We were just had lunch here in Bozeman, and I was driving down the road and I saw, like, that looks like a nice family. Like I saw this picturesque family hugging each other, skipping down the road. Happy's hell. And I'm like, that's freaking green trees. That's the green Trees. And that's after me and Kim just had an argument and we're still like that. What's the secret? I don't know. I don't know. I think the secret is fighting for one another, truthfully, just fighting for one another, you know, and like not losing your ship over the little things and just talking them through and trying to benefit one another and be positive. And you know, if if one of us isn't positive, then that other person is trying to push him in a positive direction. And you know, like nothing good comes easier, right, That's the thing, you know. So you're like, there's so many relationships that you just just see the ars end fallout of so fast because they're not willing to work towards something. Kim is not perfect. I'm not perfect, And it's like, do you have a good friend that you spend enough time with that just you know, you'll find something that you don't agree with with of course, you know, so imagine because we're all strangers essentially, aren't we, you know, And then straight into the deeper meaningfuls in this podcast, this is a this is a this is where we but you know, like your own family, you'll find disagreements with of course, you know what I mean, And like before I met him, she was just a stranger and now we live in our whole lives together, So of course there's going to be things that you don't agree with, you know, that things that person might do that you know, you dislike that, just get over your own ship and work through it. You can tell man like you can tell him somebody truly loves the person there with, like not just loves the idea of marriage or loves the idea of having kids. Were truly like, life is made better by that circumstance. It's not. It's not fake. There's no and in the age of social media, w you're well aware of things can seem fake. Yeah, Well, Kim's been with me when I've been broke as hell, right, you know what I mean, Like, if she was with me at that point, I'm still broke as hell right now because I've spending my money on hunting. But I'm just saying, you know, if you can go through that hard struggle, you know together we've being like we've had no vehicle, we've had no money for public transport, sort of broke, and you still love and cherish each other through that. So yeah, I mean, I think you know, most people see that I'm doing a podcast with you and expect us to tell all kinds of hunting stories and talk about what broadheads were using and how to kill the animals and all that stuff. But quite honestly, like I think people, I don't know how. I know you've talked about this some, but your story of where you started and where you are today is the one thing about you that amazed me the most, like flat out amazing. Um. And I think you well know that we probably talked about this before, but the struggles that you've gone through have made you such a freaking like pressure makes a diamond. Even when it comes to hunting. You talk about like you deal with hardship, you know, better than anybody I've ever seen, and it almost embraced hardship like that's just a part of life. I'm gonna go and tack. Yeah. I think you get so used to something like That's what I think it is. You get so used to it that like I actually crave it now. And and actually it's probably not that I crave it. It's just that it doesn't feel that hard, you know, because I'm so used to it. You know. It's like if you if you were born in the dark and at nighttime, wouldn't bother you, do you know what I mean? So to live for it, I always think it's not going to kill me, even though some dumb things that I do nearly do kill me. But you know, it's like it's not gonna kill me. It's like the cold, you know, like you get up in the morning and camp or whatever, and no one wants to get out of their sleeping bag, and then you get out and just your underwear and you walk around the snow. It's like, it's not going to kill me. Like I'm gonna put clothes on soon. It's fine. It's just that a little bit of discomfort. Yeah, should but then just the willingness to to run at it right rather than just oh, there it is. There's danger over there. I can avoid that and I'll be fine over here. But you know, even when you and I hunt in New Zealand together, you know you're getting close to to are that I probably would have everyone went after Yeah, I'd be like that's too far. Oh man, I can't go across that shell. I can't barracock class a shell cliff and running cross and use and pipe over and shoot a tar. I won't even go over there. And I remember watching you're hearing stories about you going and doing those things and thinking that's a different mindset. Yeah, that's a different willingness. Yeah, it definitely is. I UM. A lot of people ask me about, you know, how like how am I regularly successful because I'm not a great shot. I'm a good shot. I'm not a great shot, but it's the time that I put in and go into places that other people probably won't regularly go that, you know. I always put it down to that, you know, I'm good at reading animals, I'm good at getting into places you know that are like well in the back country and things like that. And I put a lot of my success down to, you know, go on that extra mile. Yeah, no, I would agree with that. Well, when you were you had a tough charterhood. Let put it that way, right, I mean, we've talked about this. She told me a story you know, early probably last year and year before, and it stuck with me for a while because I thought, shit, like is as great as your life is right now? There is so much learning that everyone could do from what you went through prior. Where were you're born? How did the start giving your early early life? Yes, I was born in Newcastle in New South Wales, Australia. That's pretty much where we've lived for the last few years as well. And but my parents had uh, their job was like caretaking big ranches, like we call them stations in Australia, but big ranches. And uh. But my father had a little bit of a different childhood than me. He had a good like my grandfather was a brilliant man and my name, you know, very loving people. But I think my father grew up around some bad alcoholics and you know, maybe a little bit of mental illness in the family as well. There's an uncle of mine, uncle Chas, and uh, I was like, I'll tell you one of the stories so you sort of understand where this man is. But there's a family barbecue and like the whole family is over there, and my uncle Chas is cooking on the barbecue and they have like a little fox terrier like a dog, and it runs around it barks a couple of times, and no one thinks anything of it, like whoop to do. It's just the dog having a bark. And the next time the dog runs past him, he picks it up by the back legs and swings it over his head and cracks it cracks its head on the concrete and kills the dog. Like it's like that there's something wrong there, like something that guy is not wired properly. I've never had anything to do with him, but my father did. I think it was around him a lot. And my father sort of real bad alcoholic and got into it for like I still don't know that, you know, the reason or explanation is a part of mental illness or what it is. But um so my dad just alcohol really bad and then in return he'd get really violent against my mother or asked kids, and and another one. I'll give you an example of my father. He come back drink and this is when we lived like in rural New South Wales, like out in the middle of nowhere. He comes back drinking from the country pub and a dog that we had, gipsy. She just had a litter of pups and the pups were yelling every now and then, and my mom my dad comes home. My mother's mother's crying over my father not returning when he was supposed to return and comes back drunk and violent, and he thinks it's the dogs, you know. And this is like I'm like five or six years old, and he walks out to the back door with the gun and like shoots all the puppies like in front of me and my oldest sister, my younger sister wasn't born yet. And but it just goes to show how, you know, that sort of violent that man was and us kids, and I'm going through that violent with him. You know, we weren't shot, but basically were the puppies yelping. And then as I got a bit older, because he ended up being in and out of jail for like violence and stuff like that. So I sort of grew up without a father figure from about seven years old onwards. Um, And I actually was probably going into a dark place myself as I was, you know, hitting my lady teens and things like that, and I started going camping more and like fishing, like outdoors things, and I just you know, just I don't know. It was my escape, was how I got away from you, even my own miserable thoughts, let alone someone I didn't want my life, because what that does when a family separates, especially in Australia, puts you in another worst place. You know, if you're a single mother with three kids, like my mom, she had to live in like really a really cheap community like basically what you have in America as the projects we live in, housing commissions and generally those those areas, like those towns or suburbs. It's all housing commission, so it puts a certain person people in that area, you know, and there's a lot of violence. And I set it on someone else's podcast that before I was like third or fourteen years old, I'd witnessed murder, rape, suicide on multiple occasions and stuff like that. And one of the cases, I was actually the only witness to a rape that had happened. It happened at my house, and the girl she didn't want to come forward. She was so embarrassed about it what had happened. And that guy end up getting off scott free. Nothing ever happened to him. Say anyway, I'm just you know, it's like if you grew up not eating your vegetables, you know, that's for your like physical health. When you grow up in an environment like that, that's your mental health. You know. It's like you're not getting fed vegetables for the brain seeing all that violence and stuff like that. But how I came out of it really was for you know, originally the outdoors and especially you know, bow hunting, Like I just bo hunt, as you know, because it would take me deeper into the woods. You know, it would ground me further to you know, the outdoors, and that really helped me. And then obviously you know, meeting Kim and because I grew up very simple, where I just I want, like wanted a couple of things. You know, it was like a four drive to go for driving, like get me outdoors, and you know, I wanted the wife and my own family so I could prove to myself more than anyone that I wasn't my father. You know, I wasn't that violent drunk. And I don't drink still to this day because of you know, even though I'm not like I did drink a little bit in my teens. Even though I'm not a violent drunk, I'm a happy drunk. It's it turned me off drinking so much because I would see my father go from the best man that I knew to the worst man that I knew through drinking, you know, and looked like it was that sweet. She has an actual problem with drinking. Like I'm not saying everyone does, because lots of people drink and they're absolutely fine on it. But my father does something that switches a different switch where he becomes you know, he's got to turn the violence. And yeah, and you spent time on the street time homeless. I was homeless. I was homeless when I was fourteen years old, so like fourteen fifteen, I was homeless. And I end up going and living with a very loving auntie of mine and she put me back in school and things like that, and it was just a much better environment. But um, I don't know, I just kept slipping off the train tracks and you know, sort of once I could just walk out and go hunting myself, that that made the big difference. And then obviously, Kim, the kids, do you know, do you ever feel like in their situations where you I mean, I think I know the answer. This your there's some desperation to get out, I mean, is that's your daily motivation or you feel like this is my life and I'm you know, you didn't accept where you were. Obviously, I was just happy with where I was and to the point where I'm like, I would constantly think I only live once. This is another waste a day. You're in the trash. You don't want to be here, you know, And then when you get put in a position like that, you know, like where you don't have finances, you don't have food things like that, because like talking about living on the streets, you don't have time to think about those better things like going outdoors, you know, or finding a good girl or something like that, you know, or benefiting your life as in getting the job and things like that. There's only enough time in the day to think about when my next meal coming, When am I sleeping tonight? How am I keeping warm? You know, And there's all dangers that come on living on the streets. There's other people on the streets as well. There's other people that try and rob you and all sorts of things, you know, So it's like there's you don't have the comfort to think of how you're going to benefit your life, you know, in the long term, it's just how am I benefiting my life today? Because you're hungry, you know, Like you don't realize is how good it is eat food until you're starving, hungry to a point that you can't go and get it. Like if we're hungry now, we'll walk next door getting something from the cafe. When we bring it to take all that away where you don't have money to buy food, you know, you don't have hunting or you don't live on the land to just go and get food. And that's why I think it's also so so appealing to be able to go out now today and you know, go and shoot a deer and have meat or even if it's like bush tucker or food you know from the forest, whatever it is, berries or something. That's why that's so appealing and feels good because I've been at the complete opposite and when there's when there's nothing on the street. Yeah, I mean, it's it's got to change, you. I mean, there's no way it doesn't it. Especially. I always like to talk about perspective, like wilderness provides, you know, unique perspectives. Places you've gone, things that are you and I've done together, provide perspective on being here. You're sitting in traffic, You're like, no problem. Yeah, at least at least my kids are in the back screaming. At least they're there. This is actually non an issue. This there's something not to be upset about, you know, like yeah, and that's what why you know, you're that part of your story is as important as your current state, because your ability to be happy, I think is and my observation has drilled down into your perspective on life and what it could be, definitely what it was for you. And I think our modern society lacks some fucking perspective. I think there's there's just this whole culture that just takes everything for granted, you know, like it's even a light switch, fresh water out of the tap, you know, and you only need to go for it. You don't have to live on the streets. You just need to go for a trip to Africa like Mosa Beagle, Zimbabwe or somewhere like that, you know, and you're going to these villages where they don't have money to buy a blanket when it's cold. But even if they did have money, there's no one making blankets. There's no there's no there's no reality where it gets warmer for you via blanket. Now, when we went to Nepaul, it was much like that. You just realized that this guy we had the example I always uses, there was a gut chopping down this giant oak tree, this giant live oak tree. I mean it's big round as his table, and he was just had an old rusty axe and he was whacking this tree. And I thought, this dude has no concept of a chainsaw, and no one around here is even seen a chainsaw. And here this guy is. That's just his life. He gets up in the morning, it chops at this tree for probably twelve hours. He goes home and sleeps in the dirt. Aference, it's still probably playing the flute in the morning, dancing around at night, happy as ever. Like the human condition, that human condition is way simpler and there's no existential freaking, you know, problems like we have in our world. So I think maybe that's why I'm happy doing is the what could be considered the misery of the world as well, because it's like I'm I'm happy doing this. I'm definitely happy to turn on the lights, which flushing a toilet. Well, there's like a voluntary misery. Is you get perspective on voluntary misery when you've had it forced upon you, Yeah, exactly, when you don't have anything. Yeah, going out and intentionally not having anything as an exercise and like mental health, yeah definitely. Yeah. I always feel like it's like physical for the brain. You know, you go through these different challenges and you know, voluntary toughness, you know, where you're going out into the wild and just you know, sometimes maybe experiencing things that you weren't playing on it, but you just deal with it, you know, you put the puzzle together and you deal with it, and then it's like a yes, yes I did. Constant winds, they're like constant Mount Everest that you conquer. No, I was just we're just had change during the last time we were hunting in Hawaii and him and I sitting up on this vista looking down across this area beautiful are and I think both at the same time we just thought like, we are more comfortable here. We're more happy and enjoy here in a place where we don't have and inside we don't sleep in a tent. We're eating kind of what we kill and whatever we brought. But we're way more comfortable here. That's sitting in the Russia definitely chains a specially human eye. Yeah, especially here. Yeah, it's amazing, dude. And then you and I have been through that in New Zealand, Like I mean, there's just there's just a different feeling and you're just a tap you're freaking human being. Yeah. Yesterday, me and Kim more of a tourist location, but myself, Kim and the kids were at the boiling River and yellow Stone there, and so it's like where the the waters like boiling out of the ground like third degree burns if you stick your hand in it. And it's running into that freezing cold like ice melt and stuff, you know, coming out of yellow Stone, and there's the mix of the water and you're get in the right place and it's just the perfect temperature, like sitting in the hot bath and it's hailing, like we're in there with all the kids. It's hailing the hail and you know, it's absolutely freezing, but it's like only on our heads. The rest of our bodies underwater. And then you've got like this unbelievable landscape the whole way around your snow cap mountains. You know, I'm just jaggedy as anything. And we both sort of looked at each other and we're just like have a think where we are and what we're doing right now, Like this is absolutely amazing, and it's like feel for the brain, you know, memories the last of lifetime. Yeah, if you can do if you're in a position where you have the ability to do that, You're in this beautiful place and you start once or twice a day and just look around like, wait a minute, yeah, wait a minute, Yeah this is as good as it gets. Sure this coffee sucks. Sure, Sure, this coffee sucks. Sure, my shoelaces are out of my shoe. Funk around. How lucky are we? So get So you're we've covered the sort of the miserable part of your life and at some point things started to change. When when did you notice or when did you start to feel like your life was going in the direction and you felt necessary As soon as I started going out into the wilderness more, you know, that was a big part, because that starts to say that you're getting more comfortable in life as well. So I've got a job. I just I wanted to wanted to work towards having a good job, good income because I realized and this sort of sucks in our society. But unless you're living off the grid in some form, you know, and it usually takes money to even get to that point where you can live off the grid. Unfortunately, you need a good job to do things in today's society, you know, especially if you want to travel the world. Things like that. You know, even if you want to travel your own country, fuel cost money, a cart cost money. Insurances, there's no matter what money capitalizing in some way against you because everything is starting to cost money. You go into yellow Stone, it costs to get paid to get in there. You gotta in this country, at least you've got to pay for tags and licensing and everything like that. So you do need a job, you know. And so I started working towards getting a job. And then and I had a couple of jobs just like I had. I worked at foot locker and and I was going to ask you to go through all your all your jobs prior to the one year. Well, actually I dropped out of school early because I got back in the school and mom and dad got back together somehow. I don't know freaking why or how that happened, but mom and dad got back together, and they, you know, I got back into schooling and stuff like that. I actually fell out of school because all those years have been in rural Australia, I didn't have a lot of schooling and I was actually deaf in one ear and they didn't know. They just thought I was disobedient in the class. Actually couldn't hear what the teacher was saying. And it was really tough schooling when I did go, because there was like one classroom because like very remote, so all the country kids would come in and it was like I think there was like kids in the one school and of all different grades. So the teacher just come and spend a bit of time view or give you a little bit of paperwork if you're old enough to read and whatnot. They thought I was really disobedient, but I just couldn't hear because they didn't pick up that I was completely different one here, and so I lacked in a lot of schooling and end up dropping out because I just couldn't catch up, and um, where was I even going with this? I just started thinking about this. Sorry, I dropped out of school and went landscaping, and I went from landscaping to fencing, you know, like domestic fencing wooden timber fences and stuff like that. And through that I actually learned to worked really hard because I was on like you'd get paid per lineal meter and it was like peanuts. It was like a dollar fifty or lineal meter, so that nail gun had to be going off like an a k. You know, I had to be gone for anyway. I learned and I was making good money out of it, and the building game sort of crashed a bit, and I'm getting the job at foot Locker, and I ended up meeting Kim. She worked at Super, so that like that all worked like in the mall. You guys meant yeah, in the mall, but I hated it because we ain't jumping over that. Uh well, you met at the mall. There's like at the food court. But so I was my little sister's guardian when I was like eighteen, and actually before I was even legal. I was like an unlawful guardian because my mother had left to another city and my sister they didn't get along at all. So end up looking after my little sister. But I couldn't give her any money for lunch or anything because she spend it on smokes or some that she didn't need. So on my lunch break, I would go and give her some money for lunch or take lunch to her. And she was actually at Super and Kim was the boss there. She was the manager. I just went in and seen this good looking blonde girl or whatever, and yeah, I've never been shy, and I just asked her out straight away and she sort of freaked out, she just met me or whatever, and then yeah, we end up going out for dinner that night, and we're actually pretty much been together ever since that first night. A Kim and her background was not it was a little more stable than your est. Definitely came out of car already sort of thing. And she wasn't a le guardian of anyone yet, she wasn't a guardian of her siblings, but um, and then it was like meeting the Brady Bunch, like Kim's family, you know, like going back and like you know, roast meat and like roast vegetables and beautiful cooked meal and like no swearing in the house, and the house clean and tidy and in a good location, and like it was like actually really foreign to me, you know, and that wasn't appealing, Like it's not like, that's not why I chased Kim. That wasn't the appealing part. I had no idea, but you know, as things turned out, you know, Kim comes from a broken family as well, where parents are separated and things like that, but you know, like still absolutely lovely family, just on a different level of no violence or anything like that, and just really comfortable household and yeah, now we're married and years series have been together for that long. That's I'm thirty eight, so twenty years. Don't let her know, you're not sure? Yeah so, but yes. I and up working at foot locker and I hated because they pushed sales. I hated. It was like lying to someone like, oh, you look really good in those shoes. You should buy a pair of socks and the shoes. Yeah, you know what you need with those shoes, say, yeah, multi sales. I couldn't do that. I didn't sit right with me at all. I didn't like it. And there was no money. It was peanuts and we weren't going anywhere. And then I started. I went back into construction and I started my own business in Canberra, which is the capital of Australia. And same it was like the that's the whole building industry and in Australia like booms and drops and booms and drops, and it's like you never had a comfortable income. And it was like we'd pay for the bills for that month and you'd be left with zero dollars, like maybe a bit of fuel to go somewhere, and we'd travel and when I say travel I only mean like three or four hours somewhere and come back. And Western Australia had all these jobs advertised because the mining was booming in Western Australia. And and I've going to going over to Western Australia, like a big move that's like a three or four day drive from where I lived in Nothing, and it is like there's like the city of Perth and then nothing, just the picturesque coastline where the desert runs into beautiful water. And I'm trying to talk to you and Ronnella in the coming over. It's such a beautiful destination. But um yeah. And then we went over there and all the good money that was advertised wasn't that good, and it was the same we'll just make an ends meet and all actually even fallen behind a bit. But then right up north in Western Australia, so like the Northwest, where it's like like I mean remote, like eighteen hours drive without com pass any sort of city or decent sort of population. And we went up there and the money was a little bit better, but not great. And I was doing all these big hunts as well, and I would go away from work, so I would go hunting for a week. That was no income for a week. You know, we just we've had Hunter and my eldest and I think, um, we'll plan on having other kids. And it's like this just isn't working. And I started thinking, what are you gotta do? Well, you gotta start your own business. You've got to have something where when you step away, you know, the will keeps rolling and money keeps coming in. And that's why you end up doing it and starting my business. And you know, I worked very hard at it, and there was a good period there where I did very little hunting, got a little rolling, and then you know, now it sort of runs itself and I can go away, and you know, everyone's like, how do you get sponsored? How do you get sponsored? You sponsor yourself because you're spending and not spending your own money, Like you get yourself out there, yourself out there. But that's the like, I think that's key to your success story, the story of your life. The kid of how you have successes is you got to a point where you're paying bills and you had a family you cared about, and then fairly quickly, quickly than quicker than most people, he turned around to having a very successful business that allows you to provide for that family in a way that you've never been provided for and do what you wanted to do, do what you were passionate, which is hang out with them and go huh like that's you're not even forty. Yeah, yeah, and some years ago you were you know, in poverty on the street, broke as a bit. So I think that's to me, that's important for people to know about you and so understand, you know, no matter how hard something might seem, that it can quickly turn into something pretty kick ass. Yeah, I'm glad I did it that way. Now, now that it's done with, it's easy to say, like, I'm glad I owned it that way because I appreciate everything so much, you know, and I don't take anything for granted. And I realized how lucky I am, and I realized how quickly I could go back to that as well, you know, because just nothing's might up in this world. You know, I didn't know what tomorrow holds. But that's another reason why I'm so happy for today. You know. Yeah, I don't know if you're like me, but now my kids don't got one kid, but he's getting older, and I'm I stay up at Nate sometime just thinking about like what his futures are going to be. Yeah, like that's on me. That is on me to make sure that thing is good. Yeah, definitely. And you've only got so long to influence, I mean, you know, And that's like my biggest fear is the future and my kids, you know. And it's like I'm not a person that fears much or thinks about much, but I'm just like, like, I worry for our future generation. I definitely do, you know. And it's like and and kids will trip you out because they're they're not you. They're not you. They are to a certain age. And then it's like who are they hanging out with? Though, because it's hard to monitor him in school and things like that. And so far, we've been very lucky that I hunting My eldest son, who's in high school. He's just gotten in with a good crowd, you know, like the other kids at school. We met them all and things like that that he hangs with, and they're seemed to be really sensible. And you know, I remember when I was growing up, there was some real shotty kids at school, you know, like there was kids that are already sort of into doing drugs and things like that. And it's like, and I was, I sort of fell in with that crowd for a while as well, you know, and I'm just lucky that I'm, you know, a strong minded person that I could sort of get out of that. And I did because I was like, yes, this it's constant drama. There's something constantly happening, you know, I think I do you call it wag school here where you skip school? Yeah, Like I skipped school for like twenty nine days in a row when I was in high school, and every day was just going out of these kids and getting up the mischief and and I suppose there was a little bit of peer pressure there, you know, to keep doing that, you know, because it's like they're my friends and stuff like that. And then somewhere along the lawn, I just went, I've got to stop hanging with this crowd. I've got to stop doing this. How do you I've had My dad tells the story that somewhere during college, because I was always a C plus B plus two, I was always the dumbest kid in smart class, or the kid that didn't apply himself in the smart class. Somewhere during college, I think I walked up with my dad. I'm like, listen, man, I'm tired of this bullshit. I'm gonna get all as from now, like I'm just gonna now. I'm just gonna apply myself because I'm tired of what has been happening in my life. And I did. And he's tells that story like I don't remember that, but he does. And um, I've got a lot of friends that my hometown back in Maryland is basically is straight up heroin den like Opie, it's our problem. And I've got half a dozen friends that are either in jail or dead from high school or earlier on. I always think about, like those guys were me, We were this. We grew up in the same place with with both all with you know, good parents, in the same little area. But some of them, like I took, I decided not to when they didn't decide not to. Do you think everyone? Do you think everyone can make that decision? But they don't. Because That's what I struggle with because so many people grow up like I do, and they just followed their fathers or their mother's footsteps exactly the same. Like how did I get to veer off? How did I make the decision? I don't want to be like that, but other people don't because it seems like everyone would be aware that this isn't a good lof style. Yeah, no, everybody. I think everybody is aware that these environments are negative. When you're in them, you're aware. And I wasn't in a negative environment, but drugs were around. Things are around, and I knew if I continue down this road it's not good. But some people, I wonder if it's just a space and time thing. You think, this is a stage of my life, this is fun right now, these are my people right now. I'll eventually get out of it. And then you never do you die or you go to prison, or that becomes your life and you can't get out. And some people start and think, wait a minute, this is there's a turning point here in my life. I can either go down this path and it can be it can become my life and it's going to be shipped, or I can turn things around. There's definitely a recipe that puts you into that position. And it's like when you are living off welfare or something like that that there's a lot more negativity around you, and it seems it's like the easy way out, like well, I'll just take drugs or whatever, or there's a recipe there that pushes people into that position, you know, And like I just always struggle with that. I'm because I'm no better than anyone else. But how how do they make that decision? I want to know what it takes, what it talked to make that decision, And if everyone can make it, then why aren't they? Because that's not a future that's good for anybody. And the odds are stacked against you. In your situation, the odds were absolutely stacked against I mean, and then the odds were not in my position. I was, my parents were well off, we lived in the suburbs. The odds were not stacked against me. I mean, I could have gone the way that some of my friends went, um, but none of our odds were stacked up like yours were. But there's many many people in situations just like you were that either don't see the way out or just don't have the fortitude to take it or make the past. I always feel like there's there's something mentally going on, you know, where wherever it's a little bit mentally stronger or something. But I'm very like, I'm always very headstrong, you know, like that one voice if something inside my head says I can't do it, fuck you, I'm gonna give up my best and if I die doing it like that sort of headstrong, and I you know, my I spent my last well, I spent a long time in my life being or not people like you and people like Rogan and just very successful people. And you start to see similarities, and that's one of them. Yeah, sure, that's one of them. There's just this unrelenting need to climb the mountain, climb that even if the mountain is way taller than you can even see, it's like, I'm just gonna keep climbing. Yeah, And then eventually gets at the top and some people start halfway up and they don't know. I probably couldn't even explain it to you. Yeah, yeah, I can't do that. I think I've quit, like on two or three things in my whole life. One of those things I always tell this story was um and I don't mean like quitting as in, you didn't kill an elk, so you're still up in the mountains two years later, especially in land and frigging Montana. But I mean as in, if you're planned a twenty day hunt, there's a good chance and I'm unsuccessful, there's a good chance I'll come out on twenty one or twenty two and miss my flights and whatever else. But one time was I had Laura's era and she's like a survivalist. She's like she's kicked us and makeing the fends and stuff like that, and it's like wet and raining, and I'm like, now is the perfect time to try and start a fire with sticks rubbing sticks together. So like I've been going to that for like twenty minutes, and I found like a shoulder bone of like a deer, and I had that as the weight pushing down. I made my little bow and it was darkened up the timber and it was getting hot. And she comes over in like ten fifteen minutes. She's got this roaring fire going like she makes his bow and she's like, and that's what she does. And I've done it plenty of times before, but not with hardwood like the Austrain hardwood, and not when it's wet and damp like that. And I'm going at it for like two and a half three hours, cramped over my legs and cramped my backs because you're like running the you know, like a string saw the whole time rubbing the stick. And that was like the first time I'd ever given up on something that I wanted to do. And I remember that. I'll never forget that because it was like, literally it's like ship, I'm actually going to give up because my friend Andrews, all my kids, they were all packed up, they're ready to leave, and I still had them sitting there for like an hour. I'm trying to get it going on, like I have to give up. This is now not fun for anyone. And I gave up on light in that fire, you know, And I'll never forget that. I can't remember what the second or third thing was. But what I'm saying is there's something in my head that won't let me give up. You know who will say like, if you don't do this, you're useless. Don't give up, don't give up. And I can never break a promise. If I promise you something, then I'm coming through. Well, like I said that, our society in the situation you're in coming up and even daily like you're offered ways out. Technology is a way out um many of our minern ways that communicates a way out. You could literally live. You can live in a house and never leave it and be a successful person in our society. So there's many ways out, and it's like are you willing to take them or not? You know, there's welfare, there's people, people will pay your way if you you can gain the system. The system is gamable for sure, Yeah, definitely, But if you're just unwilling to just yeah, it's just doesn't seem like a way to live a very fulfilled life, you know. And that's like my goal is to live a very fulfilled life and bring as many people along as I can for them. You know. I was talking to someone about this the other day, and it was the guys that Mountaknops where you know, if you can do good, you've sort of got to look after yourself first, right. You get yourself in such a way that you're comfortable, and then you know, and then you can bring your wife in or your girlfriend, you can bring your kids in, and and you get to a point where you can look after all your immediate family and friends, you know, so it's like they're all happy like, you know, it's a big positive circle and you bring everyone in. Then you know, if you've looked after all those and in my position, then I can start looking after other people too, you know, and do and you've done this, you know, anyone in our position can do this. Where it's like the you know, I've got to keep it clean at the moment where where I'm giving away pretty much all of my hunting gear that I've used this season, I'm giving away all of my hunting gear for anyone that gets random pretty much randomly picked for picking up rubbish from in the back country. Because one thing I've noticed, and it drives me nuts, is you go back into days beautiful you know, Christine places, and then there's like a beer can for one of those bloody helium things or whatever, and it's like fun, this so doesn't belong here, you know, And so I can start spending energy on doing other things, you know, like promoting keep it clean. Um, you know, I can start spending time on promoting anything, you know, a cause for cancer or anything like that. And I don't know, it's like it's it's still uh because we're trying to say it's like it's a selfish act, but it's not because then I feel good because I've done good, you know, if I can make someone else happy and things like that. So well, just because there's and I talked about this when we were announcing our new company here media drink about like you get up in the morning and why, like what's your why why are you doing what you're doing? And when it comes to creating stuff like this media, you know, you're social media, any any messaging where you're putting yourself outside to the world, it's like, do you care about the audience? Do you care about the people that would listen to that? And all and all of them in their totality? Like I care, I kind of know what my audience is. I understand that we share values, and I understand that we share a space and hunting and we share the outside world. And like, do do I care about you? Do I legitimately fucking care about you? Because if I don't, then this is all bullshit. This is all virtue signaling, and this is all me trying to look important and really special? Or do I really care about you? Do I really want you to? You know? I know you and I know that you care, and I know that your interest stories are a way to take people along and give them a window into what their life could be like or what they could get even if they I'm not trying to tell them to be hunters either. I'm just trying to say this is out there. I really enjoy it and benefit from it, you could too. And if you don't have about some understanding that this is where meat comes from, or this is beautiful and we need to keep this, you know, public, We need to keep this land, you know. We can't just keep laying concrete over top of ground, you know. And it's I don't know, it gets forgotten because there's people in the city that don't even know that exists. They don't even think about it. It's not part of their thought, you know. And that's and I care for the person that I've never ever met before. I care for the stranger on the street. I care for those people that are walking past this building right now. They look pretty cool, they look pretty cool, They're good. Yeah, you know, just we can. I just want everyone to be happy. And then I think part of that's the beauty of social media, but part of the problem is you constantly put yourself out there right, You're constantly messaging around the things you care about, and then it becomes oh, you get sponsored. It's a business, and those things start to come together in a weird way and people can start to think, well sold out or oh did this? Well? You like the word byproduct. It's just a byproduct of what I do, you know, and if that and it helps you do what I do, like it does, I'd do it anyway because I did. You were doing it before. Anybody gives way before. And I'm Australian. No one gives a funk about Australian. You know, That's what it's like, Like Australian has never heard of a sponsorship, a sponsored hunter. I do like blooming onions, you do, even though no one serves them in Australia. But whatever they But we're so stupid in America. What are we doing? Totally? But that's because I write artie calls for thirty years and I never took payment for a single article for thirty years because I just wanted to promote hunting in the outdoors. I just wanted people to see that. And what sucked about hunting magazines is hunters were buying those magazines and every now and then I'd write a strictly bow hunting magazines every now and then write an article for a shooting magazine like a gun magazine. I love those articles most, not because of what I wrote or anything like that, but because I knew there was guys that had never bow hunted before that would see the article and get bows and go out bowl hunting. And then, like Facebook sort of blew up. Facebook was good, but it was only my friends, Like I kept on Facebook pretty personal, and I started the business Facebook, and I'd noticed non hunters because they had asked questions. You knew they were non hunters, like, oh, I wish I buy my first bow, whereas this bowne goodness, Like that's awesome. People are getting into it, and now I've got a responsibility as well to promote it in a certain way, you know, eating the meat, practicing, making sure you do ethical shots, things like that. That started feeling good, Like that feels good. Anyone that says that doesn't feel good, well, I don't know what you're in it for. But that felt good to me. That I was getting to push my ethics, which I knew were good, onto other people, you know, because I'm not like one of these controversial figures where I pushed like spine shooting tear or something like that. It's like the textbook stuff. Then Instagram come along, you know, and obviously Rogue and blew me up on Instagram. But even before Rogan blew them out to have fifty people following, and I could put the word out on bo hunting or the outdoors or eating meat or whatever it was instantly and half of them weren't even in the hunting. Now let's do the other end. I reckon two hundred thousand followers of mine don't hunt, you know, and I get to put that word out, you know that they are. It's public lands, eating meat, you know, hunting, fishing everything. Did you ever feel yourself? I struggle with this and I'm open about it just because that's part of the reason I have this podcast so I can just talk through ship with people. But I really like in respect, but like, do you ever feel yourself? There's like a playbook, right, there's the hunting playbook. Why do you hunt? Well, here's the playbook? Right? We already we know conservation, our North American model, meet adventure from sustenance. I don't have one thing. Yeah, yeah, if that's where you're going. There's not one reason why just one reason why hunt, you know, there's many reasons why hunt, yeah, you know. And it's like it is, it's like eating meat, but sometimes I shoot things. We can't eat the meat, you know, and it's like predator control, and it's like, well, it's just not predator control. It's that I'm an animal as well, and what I do is a hunt, you know. And it's like if and it depends where it is because some countries may not have this quite in check. But basically, if you're in America and there's a tag for something and there's science that's gone behind it, there's no wrong in hunting that animal. You know, there's there's there's nothing that you can do legally right in any of the countries that I've ever hunted in, like even Africa and stuff like that. And I know some people turn their nose up about hunting in Africa. It's still for a purpose hunting. Hunting has Hunters in the modern day have never hunted something where the numbers become endangered. It's actually quite opposite. Whatever gets hunted has a value, and numbers are increasing, you know, and I've had like obviously, I've had many arguments over the years, but one lady and I hardly ever get hunt from hate from anti hunters. Most of my hate comes from other hunters these days, where people have just got a difference of opinion or they you know, they've listened to some gossip or some crap like that. But this lady sent me a message and she was saying about her domestic pig, you know, like I can't believe you're in the hunting and stuff like that. And I'm like, well, you're actually talking about animal that doesn't get hunted. You're talking about a pink domestic pig. But the only reason that pink domestic pig is here today is because of human consumption. That's the only reason those cows are alive and have a life today is because of human consumption. And you're saying you want to take that away, like there's a much bigger picture here, right, There's a much bigger picture here. Those animals have lives and are here because the man the demand for meat. They get a life because of the demand for meat. You know, like if we put that at the human end, right and say, look, the world's overpopulated, no more humans, No one's lawed to have babies anymore. That's the nine My little girl, my kids life, they wouldn't be even be here today to have feelings and stuff like that. There's a much bigger picture here, and it goes way further than what someone's opinion or belief or something. Life way deeper. And then I I always like to say, if if we got all the bow hunters that follow you, are all like you, and all your bow hunting friends in the room, and we said, okay, here's the deal. Uh white tailed deer. You guys like him, you love him? Yeah, can't on him anymore? All right, fuck you. We're like, okay, let's get past that. Secondary to that, do you still care about them? Do you still want them around? I'm sure the answer would be yes. I am sure the answer would be yes. And I think that answers the question of do we value the animal beyond our ability to kill it? Do we value it? Because if you told me you can't hunt olk anymore, I would like, that's fine, but I would love for the elk population is just let's what's the solution? You better provide me another solution where the value is there, the money is there, the conservations efforts so there. That's better than the one we currently have, which is hunting in our model of conser asian um. But I truly believe. I do think about this the other day. I wonder about sometimes about some fisherman if you said, oh, hey, you can't catch those trout, would they would they still? I want to clean clean water clean that's true. What they care when they just go back wherever they came from. I don't know that question, not that big a fisherman, but I think our group feebly you and I know it would say yeah, absolutely, I care, I care, and I want it to be this. Heapes the things that I don't hunt, but I still want around, love to see and but and but in your killing the hunt of the Pokey Point. And yesterday we see him on the road. As soon as I seen that, I slowed down for it and I was like, make sure he gets across the road. And I sort of like even parked across like double lines to make sure the avoca because he just couldn't buzz pass me. And I flashed him, let the porkey pon walked off and make him and the keys looks and he was like, five, that's so cool. That's it. I'm never going to hunt a porcupine. It's probably illegal to start with. I've got absolutely no interest in that, but I still want to see it. Saying for the bird life and everything like that, it just comes part and pass or with what we do. What's the difference from you between a porcupine and elk? Something you would hunt, something you wouldn't when you look at the animal itself, there's not. There's really not. Yeah, you don't. And that's one thing I've talked to We've talked about two is how do we as hunters better communicate that we care about the entire eco systems are not just yeah, I've made a real point. I did it with the moose that I just shot in b C where because everyone wants to go straight through the antlers, and that's not just because you're a trophy hunter or something like that. You think about antlers, think about how amazing now are they grow in one season? Think about the size of them, how they are they stick off the head. They're very medieval. It's something that's bred into us as man. But I get to that moose and I'm like, look at this creature, Look at this beautiful creature. And I went The first thing I did was I went to its ears due because it's got these massive ears and they're so fluffy. And I looked at its nose. They've got a different nose. And then I went over its body like all the battle scars, because really all ball and he was like full teeth missing, like punched out of his face full. I just all smashed up um. And then going into some things that might people might see it is a bit more gruesome. But I cut him open. I always checked the organs on the animals, you know, And and I opened him up, and he's got like all his liver spot on him, you know, like all this green like bubbly growth all over his liver. He had like some dry, hairy growth on his heart. And I was like, like that's the inside stuff. And I'm like even like, look at this. This is an amazing creature, you know. And but I'm also and check out the antlers they grew in one season. These are all the veins that go through there, you know. And and it's the term trophy hunter nearly doesn't exist anymore. Well, I don't know anyone that hunts just for a try if you I don't know that. I don't know anyone that does that. But a lot of hunters, you can't eat antlers. That's usually what gets displayed in the house. So you're like trophy hunter and the antlers, you know, so amazing that usually they're at the forefront of a photo. You know. It's like, and I've seen you doing the trophy hunting. What a trophy photo? Two points? That's where the meat that's here, which is cool and it and it is that is if you in a sense, that's a trophy in itself, like look at the meat. But you eat the meat and it disappears and everything sort of disappears except for bone, hide and the antlers or horns or whatever it is. So they usually get put on display. And and I've never kept something to to have other hunters or people go wow, look at the size of that. I've only ever kept anything like antlers are high or photos even memory wise, you know, like and it's like it's become like respectful thing, you know, Like I feel like that's like respecting the animal, like you know, but some people different opinions. I feel like that's the complete opposite. You know, that's not respect by putting a dead animal on the wall or something. Well, I think part of my part of that group we're in two point is not to say don't do the one, but it's it's to say, like it's a perspective thing. It's to get people thinking about it. It's like, hey, cherish this, look at this beautiful bit of meat, Like this is going to fade my family. This is awesome, And this is an evolution of our pres not of our hunting, because I think all hunters always have the sensibilities that you have, most all the ones that I would consider hunters people in my group. There's other people that are assholes, deal with them and other conversations. But people that are like you and I to have the values that you and I do are struggling now to to define how we tell our story right. And part of it is just let's evolve to the two point over the three point oh presentation of a dead thing, because there's nothing that I've ever run across. I've thought about this at length, and I know you probably have to nothing like the grip and grin to take what you think it represents and what you know, it represents because it's you and you're there with the animal and all the things you just said. It represents your reverence and respect for that animal. It represents why you go and do what you do. It represents this great achievement of all these enriching things in your life. And then someone else looks at it and they see a smiling asshole and his trophy, like that's it's it's it's on us, It's it's just. I think our platforms, our new platforms are definitely helping a lot because you know, you get a hunting magazine and there's only you know, so you get three pages for an article. Well there's only so many photos you can put in those free pages, and everyone wants to look at the animal and all of its clots. Now that there's formats like madea to what Steve's doing, and Steve gets to show a lot, like he gets to show all the effort that goes in just to get into the point where you see the animal. Then he gets the animal dead on the ground if he's if he's successful, and you see that quick image, you know, there's the animal whatever, then it jumps to because it's a much a length of your platform to cutting it up and cooking and eating it and like, this is life, this is why we're here today, this is why there is man. And with my platform and especially doing that the Instagram stories, do you know how many messages I get that are like, holy did it? I didn't know it took that much, you know, like climbing the mountain, camping back there, all the organization, getting it killed, getting it out, getting that cut up, you know, getting it to the freezer, getting it to the pen. That definitely that platform that we can show things on now. And then you've got guys like Cameron Haynes and John Dudley and stuff like Bremmy Warren at the forefront of it, and like Rogan notorious for showing the meat, you know, and just showing on a much bigger picture where it's not like we just drive out there, I shoot at you, the the truck loaded up, you know, drinks some bees. It's not like that's Hollywood. Well yeah, I mean you got somebody like Shane Dorian, right, somebody like Joe Rogan. These are people that are at the top of their game and they had not in hunting, not unting pro surfer and is a pro Tolka just a pro and everything. But they're those guys there that's adult onset hunting. What that is that they took up hunting when they were intellectually able to process what they were doing. And what always enlighten me about their output on social media is that neither one of those two people, they didn't get Joe and Shane didn't get together and be like, let's not share a grip and grips, let's not share dead animal shots. Let's just share meat, and let's share the camaraderie, and let's share the things that we know are important. They did it opposite of each other. You know. Part of it was a reaction to deciety, the reaction to a little bit to how how people would reactive. Joe Rogan in a dead elk on his Instagram would probably not be great. But I think they also were forced to eliminate that from their output, their communication and focus on the things that really did enrich They show. They showed the bigger picture. Now again, I think it's not as organic as as is all that because they know the controversy that comes up if you post something a dead animal. But they still are our successful hunters and everybody knows it, and they're promoting the sport without beside that became controversial, without hunters even understanding how it became, and it just doesn't go well with their platform because I know a couple of times and Joe's had to kill and I've been like, hey, is that okay if I share that? And he's like, yeah, go for it, because my platform is a bit different, like I'm known as a hunter, you know, it comes along a lot more acceptable on my end. And where is if you don't have the bigger picture like some of their audience. And I think their audience does have the bigger picture now, but if you don't have the bigger picture, and then it's just like that photo with the animal there and you're standing behind it smiling whatever. That is. A bad image is a bad image. Put that in a newspaper somewhere bad image. Put that in a hunting magazine or outdoor magazine, then it's fine. There might be some people that don't agree with it, but I've built my audience now that and there's no shock horror, and I don't mean it in that sense, but sometimes I'll just put sort of a bloody photo up like this is normal, this is natural, And I don't get any negative reaction because I've built them. They know everything else that's involved in it. They're not wondering why you're doing. Yeah, that's just not it, you know. And and because I'll say it now, like if I've put in that much effort and I get something killed, then I usually am happy. I usually am smiling, you know. And it's not like it's not the killed just sucker. It's not that smile. It's not that I'm like that was a good quick death. Putting a lot of effort, it's finally paid off and happy. But even I've tried to not do the grip and green anymore, you know, and not because of what you've done, just because I start thinking about the image, like, yeah, I am happy, but I don't have to do that. You know. I'll still hold the animal and stuff like that. But you show everything girls as well, you know, cutting up the meat. That's all I've ever said. I mean, we have a from our line. I trip this, you know, six months ago or whatever. Less than that. Um, we've got a thread going, the text thread. Whereas me and all the people we've mentioned and all the people are on that hunt, and we when were killing anim we send everybody a photo. We all understand on that text thread what that is. Yeah, we have a total perspective of that. All of us are content. We've all hunting together, we all know what we're all about. And but so we can share those photos and there's no loss of perspective, there's no context that we need. We know what's going on. We're excited for each other. Outside of that, it's a little sketchy, definitely, it's a little and you've you've seen that. I've seen it, We've all seen it, and um, I think I just came out and said it in a way that probably early on was a little bit touchy for some people. But I I truly do feel that the only conversation that matters is how do we better represent the thing that we do? And even if like guys like you and others who do represent it very well, how do we still do it better? How do we lead the charge? How do we say, like, here's a question we ought to ask, this is I don't know how to do it. I'm not telling everybody you have to do it the same way, but here's a question we want to be thinking about. You know, here's something that bothers me. Um, and that's that's a better promotion. Yeah, I mean there's something that is something you see right now that bothers you in our community, something that you I'm I might even start a segment like the ship bothers Mean, that's the same where we just talked about what what's something that you see? The thing one up I. It's like the whole YETI NR a thing. It's like we're constantly looking for not me, some people, and it seems like a good population of the outdoor industry is constantly looking for something to be angry about, something to constantly jump on the bandwagon about, and the whole like whether I was sponsored by YETI or not, that one really bothered me because I was like, here we are with an outdoor company that puts so much into the outdoors and what we do, and we're trying to kick them out to let someone in that possibly won't put that money into the outdoor industry, you know. And it's like it just seemed like a bitch fest for social media, that's what it was. And we're constantly looking for one I missed the one on the whole night thing or whatever it was, but then there was that one, and like it's like any day someone else could be next, you know, I just spent time like there was the whole under arm and one. It's like there's constantly where there's constantly something coming up. And who trashes this the most are ourselves hunters, Like we're the ones to air our dirty laundry the most, you know, Like these aunties must be on the sideline just rubbing their hands together, going brilliant. Look at them, look at them with you know, and it's like and I actually wrote a post and I was like, this isn't something that we have to lose friends over or turn against each other or anything like that. You know, Like let's run it course on its own without us adding as much trash to it as we can, you know and blowing up coolers or or the other end hating on the n r A, you know or whatever. It's like, we don't have to do that. Like all we're doing is breeding more hate within ourselves. That's not healthy. That's one thing that I learned growing up out of all that, Like you'll breed your own hate, you'll breed your own misery within yourself with negativity and stuff like that, Like anyone talking shoot about me at the moment, Like you're just hurting yourself. You just reckon your own mental illness, you know, Like why people caught up in my ship? Like why are you caught up in anyone's ship? Like, well, it's in Our industry is a small world, right, And I think you and I both work hard to try to be respected by our peers and like really try hard to be understanding of what everybody's thinking, and you know, try to do the right thing. You're never like you're just never going to get everybody, especially when I realized that too. That's why I'm always say, like I don't want everyone to get into hunting, but if I can build some thought and understanding from people that don't hunt towards the hunting community, not me, I'm happy doing what I do. I don't care where if you hate at love it. But if that helps the overall outdoor industry, the hunting community, that there is understanding, and like, that's Joe Rogan has done that better than anyone ever in the history of mankind, unless there was some massive civilization before we come that we don't know about. And there was like a Joe broken broken something. But for Joe too to spread the word how he has with his audience is a massive like there's a massive understanding there, you know, whether they hunt or not, because some people can't hunt, like they live in the city and they've got other things happening and they've got no desire to or whatever it might be. But at least there's understanding from those people that they when they see a hunting image, you know that that there's just not hate streaming out of them. You know that the extreme anties will never get them who wants to. And it's and I think we sort of need extreme anties as well because they keep things in check as well. Um, and it's so complicated, you know, there's no one answer, there's no one it's hunting is so complicated. Yeah. I always say that we've picked this very complex thing to do, very complex. This isn't this is not a roller coaster, And don't get on and have fun and get off with no effect on the world. Yeah, definitely, you get on and you get and you have your fun, and you know, Steve and I, Ronelle and I always say you, he says, you wouldn't do it if it wasn't fun. And you have your fun, you have your adventure, and at the end of the day something dis dead, like some fucking thing that used to be on the earth that you didn't put there now is gone. And the virtuous thing about what we do is that we had a hand in doing it and we're aware of it when so many folks are unaware of their effect. But yeah, I mean I think we we certainly. I think we certainly as a community. I've crested that wave. Like people get that, we get it, get that there that we're seeking some level of virtue and what we do, like we understand that we're killing ship and we're not just flipping like a fucking loose see you, I feel like hunting has made me an animal lover and and said that can be confusing to some people, like you love you say you love animals, but you hunt them. And because Kim's exactly the same, Kim like loves animals, like extremely loves animal and I do as well. But I also know where meat comes from, you know, And I want meat in my life. Like it sounds silly, but I want meat in my life. I want to eat meat. And if I'm going to do that, I want to go out and get it myself. And I want to realize what that animal was and I want to be I want my hands, you know, or my wife's hands to be the ones that harvests that meat, that cut that meat, that take that meat, you know. And like, especially with filming and everything like that these days, you know, I just feel like when something's filmed, I'm like, yeah, just chill out. I want my time now with the animal. Like I want to take it in that I've done this, I've killed this and and let's not take it in and realize you've done this is in ne bad person, Like I completely understand it. That's fine, you know, and that's natural. Like natural is a very good word for that. That's natural human killing an animal to take its meat very natural. And to be at that point and sort of basking it in a sense, you know, of all the realization and that's actually a beautiful moment. You know, it's not pretty awesome, it is. It's so hard to explain because it is such a complex thing. It's so hard to explain. But there's there's some feeling that comes with that that you can't get from anything. Girls, where's this thing at in ten or fifteen years? Where's where's this thing at? For your kids? What do you what do you think they're going to go through? Because I think we just had them on. I think they're awesome. Like where I think about this with my son a lot, Like where is this going to be for them when they're at a formative age? What will hunting look like for them? What environment? What are they going to be in? I feel like I will be because we've thought about going off the grid a lot for before, even all the social media because this sort of blew up. I never really asked for this sort of following or anything. I never ever thought that I'd get it. You know, I never wanted it. You know, it's just I just wanted to promote hunting, even if that was only four friends and some families seeing it, and for the blob because I'm actually very usually a private person. I don't like crowds, like like most of my hunting solo as you've seen, and to have now all these other people that sort of get a voice or look into my life, it's not something that I ever wanted, so and me and Kim have always been like that, like we'd love to live up the grid, grow our own vegetables, fruit, harvest their own meat, still have domestic stock. It wouldn't be all wild meat, like we'd have chickens and pigs and things like that as well, but lots of wild harvests and just really live off the grid, like our own water, our own energy, you know, whether it's soul or a turbine. And always felt like time moved a lot slower when you're because it does when you're out in the country, time moves a lot slower. Time seems better, everything seems more valuable. You know, you don't get this is a rat ray still, Like I might go off the grid every now and then, like when I go BC moose hunting or back country in Montana or northern territory like arnem Land, and like that is off the grid, But then you come back into a bigger rat race than anything, because you know, emails, bills, things like that that have gone unchecked in that time, and I don't it's not the real quality of life. It is life streaking awesome. Yeah, get me wrong, but I'm just saying it could be better. You know, and that's more suited to me, especially with my upbringing, like I've cut family out of my life, like my own father, my own blood, I've cut him out of my life. So it's hard to let strangers in just on that very fact alone. Um So I don't know. My kids might live off the grid. That might never happen. I don't, you know, I don't know. But hunting wise, if I stayed on the direction I'm going now for my kids, I don't know that maybe they don't want to be hunters right now. They do. They love the idea, they love the country, they love going up to you know, we own I ag read up in the mountains at home. I love horses, I love eating mate, I love chase and catching killing anything. That's what kids love to do. Yeah, I mean it'll be a journey for them like everybody else. I mean, they might fall out of it and fall back into it, and they may it may not be cool with their friends when they're be able to influence when they're teenagers here, you know, and then later on in life be like what I was, I think, and I stoually get back into this. I should find this thing again. But it's certainly going to be challenged more than you were coming up. And I was because I you know, I'm Ship thirty two and you're a little you know in this country. Ship on my generation, probably our generations, first generation that couldn't just be hunters anymore. We had to be at some level messengers for our thing. And that's when society kind of became. It became this negative thing, you know, almost like an A R fifteens and other things that have been demonized or have and misunderstood. And America is actually coming from Australia to America. America's actually got a much greater population that's understanding of hunting, even if they don't because they've got such a big population of hunters and it's like advertised everywhere during the season. In Australia, it's not it's like being kept on the download. You know. There's so much more misunderstanding towards hunting in Australia and and just no knowledge that it even happens at all. But it's tough. Australia virtually has zero public lands to hunt them as well, so it's like private you've gotta get private mission. A little bit of privately the publicly, and it has come on boards from what I've heard, really not great for hunting. It's just it's not the same culture. You know, even though Australia was like you know, all convicts basically and like you know, they would have to hunt for food and eating rabbit and stuff like that. Yeah. I mean, we just got back from Hawaii. I mean Hawaii is similar place. I mean, the as it explained to me, like the Native Hawaiians feel some ownership of lands. So if you have a private ranch and you say don't come in, they're coming in. Yeah. And so poaching isn't it does not the same feeling cause it is here. Yeah, And so each scenario has its own value systems, in its own way of doing things. And we certainly are lucky. I think the fourteen or fifteen or how many million hunters that are in this country are lucky people. Definitely. It's amazing. I said that Kim Kim hiked right up into the back country in Montana with me, just you know, three or four days ago, and through public lands the whole time, and we never seen another person, which was really cool. And I stopped for a second and I'm like do you realize how good this is? Like we didn't have to, you know, harass a farmer, you know, to try and get permission. We didn't have to like take h mccarton the beer and say, you know, we'd love you know, we'd love to be able to hunt here. You know, what's the chances and you go for all the effort and drive and he's like, no, we don't let anyone on. We were actually just being able to buy a tag, look up on on x maps where the public land was that we could run in and hike in there. And I'm like, every bit of that view that you can see right now, we can hunt any of that, Like there's a million acres back here, we can go and hunt any of that. Like the thing, the scary thing is publicly and getting taken off us, even if it's slowly by slowly. That's why everyone has to fight so hard for it, because coming from someone that you know, it doesn't have publicly and the hung on back home. Basically that's absolutely amazing. No, I've said it many times, we continue to say it. Like waking up in the morning in Montana, there's a different feeling I live in Texas. I lived in Illinois, I lived. I grew up hunting publicly and not even really knowing what it was. But in my twenties, I've lived in two places where there wasn't ship and when there was it was kind of depressing. You go on small tracks land with a lot of hunters, not a lot of game, and a lot of bullshit. Yeah, and so you public lands becomes this this degradated piece of hunting property, and the private lands become this these paradise is for for game and for hunters and stuff like that. So that's I mean, it's not elitist because because homesteading and land ownership is that's what our world does, and when we stay, we stake our ground and that's what that's what you and I want to do. Um. But at the same time, the concept of wilderness that shared is you need that public land because one thing, like back in Australia and I get bombarded with questions like where can I go, how should I get private access? I can't get private access, and the feeling of wanting to hunt like it's almost spiritual. It is spiritual. It's nearly like someone saying you can't practice your religion right and so that's what's happening, you know, you know that happens in a lot of countries and stuff like that. In Australia was one of them. He's one of them. Where there's eyes that are dying to go hunting, their destined to go hunting, they can't get access to somewhere like that is a horrible, horrible feeling. And in America to be able to just be like, I'll, you know, go and buy that over the counter tag general. You know, here's all this area that I can go even if there's no game, right Like we all want to find game, but even if there's no game, you get to go out and go hiking. And but you're gonna be the one to find out if there is nobody's gonna go over there, let me let me check it out, Let me check it. And then one thing I've seen a lot of hate for lately is guys that hunt ranches, private ranches, you know, like sort of belittling them, and you know, hunting these elite spots, you know, and and uh, Joe's name come up a couple of times because he hunted wherever he hunts in ce A And I'm like, you've got to think that Joe's probably got a lot of money, but not a at a time. Why wouldn't you go and do that? And that's got a lot of time. I can spend time public land, And I just what did I do last year? Twenty seven days? And I killed a bull on day seven? Alright, Sometimes that's what public land can be like. So if you didn't have the time but the money, why wouldn't you go and pay a ranch to go and hunt on his place? That doesn't get hunted the death and you're gonna get onto game, you know, and there's still no guarantee. Yeah there's still hunting. But yeah, I mean we're talking about this that I run into this subject way more than any other, and it pisses me off. Is starting to get old, and I haven't been guilty of it before, Like what was that guy? Always want to put private land and talking ship? And recently I realized, like what an a hole I was for thinking that or put down somebody like come on, man, these are people people like Joe Rogan or campaign's campaigns especially let's take Camp for for example, because people love to talk about that guy and I do too, because I think he's a great human being. Like the outside of his you know, I've spent time with him. You spend time with him outside of his Instagram. You erase that from the earth, and that's a good outstanding, good fellows and so beautiful. Ta Yeah, nice teeth, very white. White is your shirt? It's kind of do you think they're real? Yeah, they're they're real. There's no need to um. But here's Cam, right, So Cam goes out. He he came up in this industry hunting d I Y I mean, wrote books. He was the d I Y hunting guy, wrote for Eastman's Hunting Journal. This is that. That was Cam. A Cube wrote a song about him. Yeah, it's like I started these gangs to ship. This is the motherfucking thanks. I get no money, no problems. Yeah by singing Cam's Yeah, here's an omeime earned it and done his time. He works at nine to five. He loves to kill big elk. That's what he likes to do. And he goes on on place like the Desiret or other ranches and he does that and he promotes hunting. He promos his love for it, and that's what he does. And if you have a problem with that you have a problem and if you can't respect that, this guy is like some way graduated to be able to do that. He's earned his keep to be able to do that. I'm not sure what I can do for you. Yeah, the thing is it can didn't get the opportunity to hunt one of those ranches. He just going through the public thing. He's refined as hunting to the point where, just like Joe, they now have they have limited time. They know what they like to do, They define what they want to do. They have the money and the time and the and the friends to help them do the things they want to do, and that's what they do. Is that what Ronnella does or I do, or you do know, but it ain't wrong, is not wrong. I've been guilty. I'm sitting here and I have been guilty of criticizing people for that in the past, and very recently I realized that I was wrong, and that is wrong. I did the opposite because I would be like the first time I hunted North America was New Mexico, and I was like, I'll probably only do this once. I want to do it right, And I bought a landowner attack and hunted like Unit twelve in New Mexico and seen good balls every day and was like holding out for a free fifty ball end up killing like a big free fifty on like day seven or eight or something. Heaps of effort went in. It was a hunt of a lifetime. Like I still recall that hunt as one of the best hunts that I've ever been on. And then I went the opposite because I was like then I didn't have as much money and free finance to do sort of stuff like that, and I realized that ship America is just to fly away North American. I realized that I love the country and the people here in the game and stuff like that. And like I've hunted elk every single year since. And now that I've got that time because of my business, you know, my business is turning over and paying bills. Really understand, No, that's right. I just live for a good tag every year. But now that I've got the time and I can come to America for the whole of it, like the whole of the season or like five six months or whatever it is, now I realize I can spend the time going back into the back country and the remote romance, so that I love doing that. But even this trip, because the hunting has been so tough, there's been times where I'm like, shit, I wish I just took Kim to like a private, private ranch because she's never she hasn't had the opportunity to even act on a stalk or something on a bull this whole time, and she's been busting asked, like she's been going harder than any guys that I know, like hunting and wanting it so bad. There was I did a video where she's like crying, she wants it that bad and it's not something they can just go and get. You got to chase it so hard and it still mightn't even happen. And has been times when I'm like, shout, I just wish I went to a ranch, you know, And I'm not talking in Australia and New Zealand they called high fence. Is what a ranch is? Like close range That's not what I'm talking about. That's never on the cards. But a ranch is in some where private doesn't get freshed by you know, the public and stuff like that. It's something a bit more elite. But then it's like, no, I've got time is next year. But it's it's exactly what you said. If I was still running my business and I had like a week, two weeks or whatever after come over here and get a bull killed, I wouldn't be doing public land because I haven't been the public land yet where it's like there's a bull, there's a bull, there's a bull. No, I haven't been there, well somebody, Yeah, then that's a situation that you know when you go to some of these bigger ranches that you get into and it's a different experience. And I've done it a few times and for me, it's like, yeah, I get it. If this is the only time I had to hunt, I might do it this way. But that's not for me. Else that's no reason to hate on it. It's still one percent hunting, Like that's what I've sort of seen a lot of lately, you know. And it's like or people would try and pit me against someone else, you know, or someone else against me, and it's like, what do you mean they don't that I don't want to do public land, not my spots. My spots ship my spots take a month to find a ball to kill, you know. And I'm not saying there's awesome public land spots out there, but you still need time to put in time effort. Yeah, and then it's that and then there's no laziness, and and that there's no laziness in it. There just isn't. There is a circumstance. And like I said, I I really I don't need to say the guy's name, but we have a mutual friend. Like we got in a vehicle right after we came back from one nine and we were riding around and bitching the whole time, talking about this and then hunting this and that, this person doing this and that, And I just was like, wait a minute, what are we doing? Man, what are we doing? Why are we talking? These are people? A lot of these people we know, we know they're good people, we know they're good hunters. And like we turn back this ship back this negative and I can that we this is in Australia and we've just gotten in the camp and it was awesome. There was deer everywhere and the hunt was kicking off and I was with a couple of really good guys and um the property owner there, who was also a bit of a hunter, was like real negative minded and talked a lot of shit about people that I did know and that I didn't know, and like I just judge people off me, you know, like it's all right to be aware of something like you say, oh, such and such is like a bit stabby. You might try and rape you in the night. That'd be nice to know. But I'm still gonna I'm still going to assess that person of my own dealings. And if I haven't had any bad dealings, there's no need to hate on anything. And even if I did, I just leave it. I just let it go. Just don't associate with that person anymore. Anyway. The property owners talking ship and one of my buddies is talking ship and it's like three hours of just negative trash talk and every hunter under the sun that they have never met theirselves either. And I got up in the mind and I packed up, and the mates like what are you doing. I'm like, I'm going, dude, I didn't come here for this. I come here to have a good time, you know, and go hunting. And all that ship talk last night, you know, you're talking about guys that have kids just like me. Your your saying things that have been set against me, and you know they're not true. So how do you know they're not true about true about this other person? Like people are saying the same rumors and shit about me, and He's he's like, just took a step back, and lucky, he's like an intelligent dude because he took a step back and realized that it was wrong. And he's never been like that again. He just got caught up with that negativity, that trash talking people. And I think now that he's met a few of the people that he was trash talk and he's realized they aren't no different than me and him, you know, they're just people like us. You know, I tell people all the time my job prior to the one i'm this building we're sitting there now, was to really know all those people that influence other and to get to them and to bring them in. And and you influence people, it's my job to know you and assess your value to a company. It's a weird situation anyway, but what I took from it is is that there was very, very, very few people. And you saw this. You know, at some point could fill a room with five hundred people that I knew, and they were all in the hunting industry, there's like very few people I would look at now and use the word hate or even dislike like maybe different people, maybe not going to be best buddies, maybe whatever. But now that I look at it, and just like you said, like nobody told me this, but I had it in my own mind, Like, come on, dude, the negativity. You think you're virtuous and the like you're gonna, you know, I act like you have some real opinion, and then in private with your buddies, you're gonna start running your yap about people like come on, man, get real, And if anybody listen to this is doing that, let's take a step back for a minute. I think who's his benefiting? Yeah, is this benefiting anyone? Because if it's not, why well yeah, that goes this This whole conversation line goes back to when I ask you, like, hey, what's it looked like for your kids? And your first reaction was, well, there's a lot of hate and there's a lot of divisiveness out there. Like we as a community or just regular folks that like to do similar things can always point to the device inness whether it's in our own lives or whether it's on social media or wherever we're living or traveling, and like there's the device inness right over there. I don't want that. Like for me, I'll be on. Like the n r A is a divisive, very good organization that does a lot of good stuff, but the divisiveness is where I get off the ship. That's where I get off. And even my own personal life and my dealings is like, if you're a divisive figure, I'm off now. It's not worth it. There's nothing worth that. And even in now that we have a media company of sorts to be devices to get eyeballs, right, if we were sitting here saying a much controversial things, more people might listen to this thing. Yeah, I mean, you know, so it's it's that shallow audience and you know, and that's what that's that's what I see a lot happening of. You know, it's just whatever gets to raise, whatever grabs an audience at the time, so people will stay and do stupid things. And if you're uh, if you're like a name, you know, you've basically become an item, you know, and people just talk about you like you're another item, like Cameron Haynes, Joe Rogan, myself whatever, like you don't have a family, like you don't have feelings, that you're not human, that you don't care for people, and things like that. And when it gets that point where people start talking about you like that, that's the point where I'm trying to get off, like okay, this ship yeah yeah, yeah, yeah no, And that's you know, again, a lot of people listening or you know, some people say, these guys are just talking in circles around this thing. But it's it's really important when you get to your level and everybody can recognize having two thousand people follow you around is not normal. And so when you get to that new normal where that's your life, you gotta reor like reassess what's going on and reassess, like how do I now have to change the way I function as I make sure that this works because this is not the way it used to be. And I'm not trying to be a freaking movie star or anything like that either, you know. And that's why I keep saying I'm no different than anyone else. I make mistakes, a funk up, I'm just the person you know. I still love and care about everything though, So yeah, it's just weird. I'm just because people do get it wrong, you know, they think that you're in it for the wrong reasons, that you said it before sponsorship or audience or something like that. You know, like, no, no, I'm just trying to promote our pastime what we do and have a good life doing it, and hopefully the people around me have a good life as well. That's all you really need to do. We're gonna take questions. A lot of people are just saying thanks for doing what you do. I was reading a couple of your talk I appreciate it. There's a guy, Jason Holidays. I don't have a question. I just want to say thank you for sharing all your adventures. They're inspiring for guys like me to dream about doing hunt like that in British Columbia. Keep up all your hard work. Much appreciate it. Ah, Yeah, you don't have to do British Columbia. Um, British Columbia is magnificent. It is freaking beautiful. But if you're a foreigner like myself, you need a guide or an outfit. And so we're talking about a money hunt, you know, like it's like a it's a big dollars hunt to go and do that, and and it is worth it if you have the money spare per it's completely worth it. And when you see the um freaking nightmare, which is like getting in there and getting out and having all those horses and camps, you can see why it costs that much, because I think people just think they charged dollars and for the animal. Yes, I went with Dustin Row, which is backcountry BC and beyond, and people must think like Dustin's cashed up. But you're in there, there's like twenty horses that you didn't have to feed or get in there or raise your camps, fuel float plane. Once you get a bull killed like a moose, getting the meat and everything out of there is it's just a logistical nightmare. So to have a business like an outfitter that runs something like that, it's worth it, um. But you need to have the money to do a hunt like that. So what I would say is is that guy might already Jason was his name, that there's so much good public land that you can go in for nearly zero dollars in the country and feel exactly how I felt in the back of BC. That um, if you don't if you don't have the money to do like a back country BC hunt or something like that. Then just get into some remote public land. Well did here's b shook five best Australian accent Jordan Harbinson camp or ben O Brown. Let me hear yours good? I might is every good? That's pretty good. Yeah, well there's a video out there you can of me doing that drunk is skunk. That was good that your kids were like, you're famous in our family. You're the drunk one, the funny drunk one. Yeah, I'm glad we cut him short on the podcast. Yeah. Oh man, no, especially he's fun. That's the ship. Well, I we can go through a much more questions. We'll say, well, we'll look at one more here, We'll find one more good before we go. Let's see a lot of people just aren't wait. Very exciting, alright, A lot of roguan questions. Best Roguan hunting story, when's Rogan coming to us? But let's just stick my best Roguan hunting story, Best Rogan hunting story. Shit, I don't know. I prefer the one. How do we get into Australia. That's like a couple lot of questions. What do we do to get into. I don't know, because I've tried all tried everything. I know. America's he's more dangerous in Australia, that's right, And he's like carrying on like Australia so dangerous. And then when like I think I nearly got killed five times in the first week when I was to come to America, and then um, I think we've seen seventeen snakes by week two and I've seen two snakes this whole year in Australia. See, maybe there's some kind of data and analytics that we can gather. Yeah, we need something we need for startards. We need to cut like the Discovery Channel and all those channels of that do like Australia is like, yeah, spiders and we need to kill that sat dish and yeah, we need to get some real stats to him. I would say, I would venture a guess that it is more dangerous to drive on the freeway in Los Angeles unting with Adam green Tree in Australia. That's just a guess. I venture that that's probably it's a hundred percent. It's like I said, like the whole time in the back country of Montana, the whole way your cautious of bears, like you think you're just preparing yourself. You know, a bear comes and I'm telling Kim, you know this how you use the bear spray. You know if a bear grabs me, this is what you need to do with the gun. And I've been showing how to load the gun and everything like that, and you know, food storage around camp and just constantly going over it. In Australia, like if you go to the Norman Territory, the only time you're talking about crocodiles is when you go up to the water. That's the only time you can't away from the water, No talk about crocodiles. You go to the water to get You go to the water to get water, talk about crocodiles. That's it. There's the difference. Well, I mean, we'll get him eventually. I like to. I'd like to be there, maybe a meat Eater episode, maybe just Joe, a couple of just Joe just in a tree the entire time, unwilling to come down. Yeah, I'm supposed to do a podcast with him in this trip. And already thinking about we've got a pet snake now and a pet spider, and I was thinking about taking both of them to the studio releasing them and like, how about Australia now, bitch, be like not on even, but don't tell until it's over exactly somewhere in your studio. Yeah, I've left a copperhead rattlesnakes seven points in the spiders exactly. Come to Australian now or die the only one? Hi? Can you? I've got a question of you. Yeah, please tell me tell us a little bit about the future of meat Eat Yeah. Yeah, We've talked about this a little bit on the show. What I mean, it's like, I know you've got April folks, you guys a lot of our good friends. She's awesome, dude. I didn't know her very well before we kind of got into this, but now I talked to her daily and she's an amazing human. Good lord. Um. The future of this thing is very much what you know at this point, being a startup company was what we want to make it. But my one of my major goals is like to to you know, steer this ship to take all the good things that is happening hunting, you know, for great examples like how do we take the excitement around live hunting and Instagram stories and following someone on adventure and amplify that for everybody. You know, how do we take the knowledge that you have, or the knowledge that Steve has, or the knowledge that I've gained over the years and package that up and give it to everyone. How do we do those things? Not only they've already that's been done for years. You've written articles, I've readen articles. We've all done that. But I feel like this world is ripe for a different and better way to do that, especially the hunting world, because it's such a information based game. If you're not informed, if you don't know what you're doing, if you don't have somebody to influence you in a positive way, you will flunk out before you even get started. And that's so much like what you do. That's what we weren't trying to do, and we've got, you know, some resources to do it, and that's very much what we want to do. And it's all around like our y is very much like we. The outdoors are sacred, we all share them, and we want to promote a better interaction because we know that it enriches all of our lives, not just mine or yours, but everybody so the natural world becomes a center point for like this communication, and my job partially is to make sure that communication is better. Yeah, that's that's more engaging, and that people can take it in in easier ways, and and that the and that we're motivated by our audience and not by anything else. You know, that's amazing that used to that vision and pushing it. Yeah, it was just like you man, it's like, what what do you Why do you get up in the morning? What's the thing that you know? I get slocked down? You know, I've got slogged down recently. And some of this is like you gotta do this, you gotta get through this. But every once in a while I can stop and think, how lucky am I to have this opportunity. If I screwed up, at least we screwed up collectively. At least I had the opportunity to you know, at least we gave it a shot. And if it doesn't work, it doesn't work, that's fine. I'll come out of a clean But that's a good feeling. Yeah, it's not without some successful anyway, But even if you're not, at least it lays a puff for whoever comes behind you. Yeah, and it's worth like acknowledging that there is there is a void in our media space, the one that you're filling and other folks are filling, and we can help amplify that, make it better and try, you know, to inform people. I've got a message today from a guy in Australia, Matt Rodgers. He's like a legendary football player in Australia. He just did uh um Survivor. It's like pretty popular in Australia TV show. I think you've got one as well, Survivor. He just was on Survivor and stuff and he's like, hey, have you ever watched meat Eata TV? Steve Ronnella so freaking cool. I don't want to buy meat anymore. I want to go out and hunt my own. Because I've been trying to get him into a bow for a little while. He's really keen, but he just gets really busy, obviously with his status. But um, and I just right back to him like, actually, I'm going to Steve's office today. Yes, collecting your own meat is the best, you know. And it's like it's amazing how Steve's platforms influencing people, you know, like and it is he does it in such a way that it makes people realize like how good that, you know. And it's like for a little while there, it just seemed like it was the fashionable thing to do, like you know, I'm going to get a bow or whatever and go and get my own meat. And right now it's slowly turning into what I'm seeing is no, that's life, that's that's life. Yeah, I mean, I think I clearly think that the more of this that goes on, the more urbanization that goes on, the more fancy coffee shops and cam booch the bars and bullshit of that nature, the more people are gonna long somewhere deep in their freaking bodies and their souls to go and to do something wrong and real and bloody, and and they're going to be like, wait, that's an option, and it's our job. Our job is a collective group, all of us to make that available to him, Like you don't have to do it, but here it is. Here, it is in the right way. Here, it is in a way that will make you better person. Do you think the human race got to a point where it just got sice? And I'll be that we fought, were better than an animal, for sure. I always think of that for sure, like we just got we just fought too. It's like, are you kidding? A lot of that stuff is happening in the background, steel pushed away from that. I always say like, there's got to be something, and I venture to have like a psychologist on at some point or somebody that's able to examine this and the more thoughtfulway than me. But like when you kill something, there's a feeling that you get when you kill something and you know that you're going to eat it and it's a wild animal, do you get a feeling that you can't explain and it is a deep and core in your DNA that this thing feel that feels right, You feel accomplished, you feel I feel so homed, like like I'm right where I'm supposed to be exactly, and that's why I can explain it right where I'm supposed to be. Good luck really explaining that too. If you ever read that book Omnivor's Dilemma by Michael Poland, he says hunting is so different from the inside than it is from the outside. Almost He's almost inexplainable, So you can almost cannot conceive of what it feels like do this and what it feels like not to do it. And now we have a lot of a lot of humans that know don't know what it feels like to do it, whereas you know, hundred thousand generations of people that's all they knew, and we're into the you know, ten twenty generations where people are now starting to completely move away from that and lose part of that connection, yet still consume the world around them, but just not actively. Yeah, that's so, you know, I think we're well this company and what you do and everybody that we're just like I always say, my my career is in the hunting industry. Hunting is my career. It's not Meaty or it's not Yetty, it's not Petersons hunting, it wasn't anything before that. It's in the hunting world. That's my career. That's what I care about. So you know, no matter what I'm doing, that's what I care about. And that's at the end of the day. I don't want anybody be like he was a great this for that, Like he was a great influence in the hunting community where you could do it like the big pitches hunting, that's it a company of laboring or anything. I don't know if you know my current bosses are like that, but I don't know if my previous ones like that. When I said it out loud, just keep saying it out loud, it's like, that's you know, I'm dedicated to that thing and that thing is more important than where I currently said. Then maybe that's I think where I currently said. Understand that definite hundred How come to Australia, fuck it? Yeah, I don't care. I'm not like Rogan, Yeah, except in usc there's a certain toughness there. I would say that toughness just willing, like I believe Joe Rogan could break my spine if he wanted to in about thirty seconds flat. But also we're at the back of the comedy store one time, mouse run out and Joe actually threw me in the path between him and the mouse. And so there's like two different toughness and I would like to believe that I'm way way tougher on that degree. We'll close on that. Everybody, Well, thank you dude, man. It's always good to spend time with you in the struck fresh It man, I appreciate you to hell you. That's it. That's all Episode number thirty three in the books. Thank you to Mr Adam green Tree and the green Tree kids. They are badasses all. Hopefully you enjoyed that conversation, you enjoyed keyring Adam's perspective on life, family, bow hunting, adventure and really for me, shines a light on how he came up and some of the struggles as a young man that he had to go through. It is an enlightening story to me and hopefully you found it the same. Next time one episode number thirty four, we have legendary surfer Shane Dorian straight out of Tona, Hawaii, where I joined him at his home to talk about surfing, hunting and chasing non native game all around why, which we have done together many times. So come back next Tuesday morning for Shane Dorian. And in the meantime, if you want to go to meat eater dot com slash listen and you're going to listen to this podcast of course, but also the meat eat podcast, which I'm pretty sure you already know about anchored podcasts with a provoke, you're gonna want to listen to Wire to Hunt with Mark Kenyon. And then you want to click around the website and read all the wonderful articles that are there from those folks and more. And then when you're done all that and you've got some extra time, go and sign up for the newsletter. It comes out every Wednesday. It's got all the best content from our website there. So please do all those things in any order you want to, but we need you to go and click around meat eater dot com and celebrate our new company, meat Eater Incorporated. So until next time, I'm better, Brian, and I'll see you m and oken bat Time to s

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