00:00:08 Speaker 1: The Hunting Collective is presented by Element. I guess I grew up. Hey, everybody, welcome to episode one fifty seven, Phil six. Damn it got that at one fifty six on the Hunt Neglective. I'm Ben O'Brien and you've heard the voice, the lovely velvet voice of Phil T engineer. What's going on over there? Not much? I think we've got some more snow rolling in. Are you excited? Uh? Not really? Yeah, I mean I'm gonna take up skiing this year for sure. I've been saying that as well. Maybe we should go together. Yeah, maybe we should hit the slopes together. Is what they say, kids say, shred some nar together. Yeah, I think that's what the kids say. Um, I'll do it. I mean, I've skied a few times in my life, but never been very serious. But now that I live basically right next to a ski resort, I feel like, why the hell am I not doing it? Something to do in the wintertime besides ice fishing, which, let's be honest, is boring as hell. Um, all right, to begin the show, here we got Janice pateel Us asked The Eagle, one of our most popular shows that we do when we bring on Janice the Eagle patel Us, and we let you guys call in and ask him and me questions. I had a bunch of good ones. Um this time around, had a lot of fun, a lot of laughs, learned a lot of things. Um. I was able to actually describe a gentleman's deer skinning set up without ever meeting him, because he's from Pennsylvania and I grew up near there and I know how it is, so stay tuned for that. I always enjoy having Yanni and we were actually back in the studio, which I will tell you made me quite happy to be around other humans. It was great. It was great so to to to begin this. Phil Joshua Butler wrote in he said, pine tree, lavender and sarlock pit Are those your candle flavors? We had a lot of people guessing your candle flavors? Are they flavors or sense? Uh? Their sense I do not eat the candles. Don't eat them. Don't eat the candles. They do not taste as good as they smell. Um. First off, pine, yes, I love to fill my house with that woody that woody pine smell. Lavender. No, but um, I do love lavender. It's one of my favorite candles when it's not the holiday season, you know. Um, it's a great just just the classic relaxing scent. Um. It's always This might be the lowest moment of the show ever. And Sarlac pit. You know, I have not smelled a Starlac pit. I can't imagine if they that they smell good. Um, yeah, most most pits in general don't smell good. Do you know what what a Starlac pit is? Uh? No, it's a Star Wars thing. I thought, get them at I has googled it. It's a Star Wars thing. It's the thing that Hans Solo like falls into. Well, Boba Fett falls into it, and hold on spoilers for the Mandalorian. Boba Fett gets out of the star Lack pit. He's in the Mandalorian on Disney Plus. Right now, he gets out of it. No one can die in the writer's world, exactly right, them right back and to exist. I know some more action figures. Uh, Starlac pit. I didn't know. I thought that was some kind of candle. So now color me to two weeks in a row. I've been made to look stupid. Maybe not maybe every week in a row. I'm not real sure about that. Um, alright, moving on, I had really had no idea what that was. Uh could have I should have known it was Star Wars. This hunting podcast is no longer even remotely about hunting. We're We're gone. It's gone, We're off the rails. I apologize on Ben's behalf for including me not ye. No, no, the listeners are going along with it, which I like. I mean, I like that they're doing that. Alright, Phil, we have to move to a bit of breaking news and maybe a controversy on this show. Yeah, yes, we have a listener, Greg Morrise. You know Greg from the Great American Outdoors Contest. He's the one that made you laugh by prank calling on X and asking if you could see where the deer are? That great? Also that was great and also prank calling first Light. So that got him a winning prize. Now, it took us a long time to get him first like gear, admittedly, but he finally got it and he wrote me an email it says, thanks again so much for the gear. I got it last week and I've been using it when I can get out. I really appreciate you guys looking me up. I can't do much, but here is my thanks to you, Ben, and then this video. Hello Mr O'Brien and first Light. I just want to say that I'm very, very appreciative of all the gear that you sent me for winning the Great American Outdoors at competition. Honestly, I was expecting, uh, just like a few things, but you guys gave me so much freaking gear. It's awesome. I used it the other day. It was awesome. Uh. It was in the middle of that rain snowstorm. My old pants like by the time of it, my crime would turn into pepecaca. So it was awesome. They kept me warm. I was dry. Um didn't rock a Melvin the whole day. Um. So just as a thank you, uh, to return the favor um to Ben for doing that for me as a proud member of the cult, our dear leader, I just wanted to show you with my super skills that I have. So you got you know, they're good, marshal Uh, you got some good architects. And then if you were to scroll down, look at that Ben O'Brien writer an editor right there sandwiched in between old mel Kuiper counting down the draft picks and Scott Van Pelt running down the top ten. I think you're in good company. So it's Greg Morris in his house thanking us, and then he shows us, as you heard in the video, that he went into the people from Maryland Wikipedia list and inserted my name under authors and journalists. To say that I feel like a real celebrity right now would be an understatement, Phil, I feel famous. How do you? How's your reaction to me finally making it after years and years of trying, finally making it on the people of Maryland Wikipedia page. Well, I mean, at first I thought you were completely unqualified, But then I went to go look at the list, and there are people on here I have never heard of. I don't know why I would or should have heard of them, So I'd say, you belong here, I belong here. I belong here. Now, when we first got this video, I didn't go to the people of Maryland page. I just assumed that I would be on there forever. I don't know much about Wikipedia, not an expert. I just assumed that because Greg Morris felt compelled and other THHC folks felt compelled to put me on there, that I would stay on there forever. I don't know. I don't know what could be a better vote of confidence for Wikipedia than that. But Phil, they removed me, didn't they? They took me off? You're gone? What the hell? Man? Now we have a controversy. Now what do we have to do? What does the THHD cult have to do to get me on there permanently? Do you know the rules of Wikipedia? Because now I'm determined to be on there. Besides folks like Pat Brown, Mark Davis, Mary Anne Gibbons, who are these people I deserve to be there? Bronze A Parks who apparently was a boat builder. Yeah I am. I have never built in the boat, but I've built a cult and that deserves to be on the Wikipedia page. I have hunted, I have killed, I have eaten. I have done all the things that you need to do to be on a list of people from Maryland killed in Wikipedia page. I don't know what else I have to do. I'm thirty five years old. I deserve to be recognized for all my feats. And Greg Morris tried to do it and he got denied by you know, probably the liberal media or Trump or hypocrites and silicon Valley something like that. It's probably Paul the Sheer. He probably went in there. And it goes all the way to the top. It goes all the way to the top. And so I need THHD to react to this with the full force of your might and get me on for permanently the list of people from Maryland Wikipedia page. We must firebomb this page. All right, we won't bemoan this any longer. But let me just say before we get to the eagle, we get some of the stuff to do. If you love me as much as I think you do, what like, what what do we have to do? Phil If we just keep putting it in there for the rest of the time until they just get tired of removing it. You think it's a you know, battle of just just how long can we force hold out to force better? Or is that do we write a letter to Wikipedia? You know, I don't. I don't know if the force method will work because I think Wikipedia they have like algorithms to pick that stuff out. Like if someone who's kind is like repeatedly adding something that they don't want to be there, I think that just makes them more angry. Well, can we apply to listen? I don't have a solution. Man, Well, what if we put something different behind the comma of my name that makes it seem more important? Philanthropist? That's right? Every year a couple to maybe three at least. There you go, Well, maybe just cult leader, would that be? I mean that's enough, right, I think you had to put some stuff in front of it. Author, writer, editor, you know, journalist, hunter, cult leader, like at the end, that's kind of like the period of the sentence. We'll see. I think that's I think you should lead with cult leader. I think that'll I think that might bring you to the top. Next thing, I know, I get a Netflix documentary exactly. That's right, all right, all right, now, I'll just play the jingle, Phil, not so sharp moment. You don't have not so sharp moments, George Barlow wrote in George Big Fan of the show. George wrote a poem? This is Is this the first not so sharp poem Phil that we've ever had? There's been so many poems now, I don't remember what category they fall into, but it might be I'm gonna write a fucking poem Wikipedia, cult leader and poet Ben ben Over Yeah, Poe editor, Okay, George Barlow. It was a few days past Christmas and the ground was a glow with two inches of powdery snow. It was a great day for boarding and the decision was tough. But instead of a snowboard, I grabbed my hunting stuff. I picked up my shotgun and was met at the door by Beasley, my faithful chocolate labrador. I knew the police Hills would be covered in snow, and I just knew where the pheasants were likely to go. I had to meet my brother. I couldn't be laid out the door. I checked them your tree. It almost hit eight frigidly cold, but still well worth going. It was a blue sky day now as the snow had stopped snowing. After a harrowing drive, we reached our destination. The dog bounded out and eating no invitation. At the first hawthorn thicket, he put up some birds. My brother shot the first and second, and I got the third. Then we hit the creek, which wasn't too wide. With a good solid leap, I could reach the other side. I unloaded my gun, checked it once and then twice. With the action still open, I leapt over water and ice. I landed across but continued to go. Before I knew it, I was lying face first in the snow. When I stood up, I found out, to my dissatisfaction, a great deal of snow had filled up my action. I used my finger to clear what I could, but there was snow up the barrel, and that wasn't good. Luckily, the snow was so light and fluffy it would surely come out with a little huffy puffy. Yeah that was. That was stretching it there, Yeah, that was. That was some Some clear and concise editing would help this. I'll just blow it out with some air from my mouth. I'll just blow it out with some air from my mouth. I'll just blow down the barrel. And that's when things headed south. I realized that this might not be my moment of glory, as I had flashbacks of Ralphie, a flagpole and a Christmas story. My brain said, don't do it, but the message was sent. It was traveling down my neurons. I couldn't repent. My lips hit the barrel, felt pain and went numb, and I thought to myself, oh damn, I feel dumb. With my lips firmly frozen to the end of the Barrel. I couldn't shout or swear or sing Christmas carols. I knew then and there what couldn't be done. I threw open my mouth and left some lips on the gun. I'm not proud of that day or the events that took place, and the fact that I removed part of my lips from my face. But now I am wiser because I'm getting old advice to you youngsters. Don't lick metal. That's cold play. The jingle Phil sharp not so sharp poement, so you don't have to me amazing, amazing Phil An, amazing, amazing master poet. George Barlow. Yeah, I thought that was gonna go to a dark place when he said he knew what had to be done, and I was like, no, don't, don't, don't do it. But luckily I'm glad that he he helped himself. Um, I'm still laughing at Huffy Puffy. It's incredible, incredible writing there, George Barlow, Well done, sir, well done. That matches my little diddio on the Mediator podcast Christmas Special last year and maybe even gets gets past it quite a bit. So thank you, George, and for this wonderful feet of poetry in the outdoor variety. You're going to receive a Worksharp field sharpener from our friends at Work Sharp. Please keep sending in your not so sharp moments. We are going to do a contest in two weeks to give away some wonderful not so sharp moment gear from work Sharp. It's something that will sharpen a knife for you. We're going to Phil and I are going to rank and then vote on the best not so sharp moments of the year a couple of weeks here in our last show of twenty so stick around for that and also why you're at it. Head on over to the worksharp YouTube page for weekly sharpening tips, including yours truly from a couple of weeks ago. Uh, keep keep them sharp for the holiday season with our friends at Work Sharp. That that man, that's a late entry field, but that might make it into the top not so our moments of the year. Do you feel it has a chance. Oh yeah, it's got a it's got a shot, got a real shot. It's got a shot to take the prize. Um So, George, if you're listening, get ready, buddy, you might you might be receiving some presents from your boys th C. So we won't keep this much longer. We're gonna keep it short today because we have the great and powerful honest But tell us asked the eagle, all of your calls coming right at you. Enjoy the honest, but tell us, it's good to see you man. What's up? Man? I haven't seen you in so long, other than on the zoom or like actually on the YouTube's. I thought we just did one of these, but happen. It's been like a month maybe more way more. It was in October, that's December, yeah, because we were talking about how bad you're September hunts where archery season was, yeah, and then October we got a little bit better, and then November non existent. It just didn't happen. Mostly because of COVID. Oh yeah, because of COVID. I got a day and a half in the breaks, saw hundred deer in two days, not a mature buck amongst them, and then got the COVID. That was it. I haven't been out since. I still have the lung damage is still pretty pretty still feeling it, still feeling it. I took my little son out there. We were building a fort out by the river. It was, you know, just as a cool thing to do with a little fire in there or whatever. And the other times we've been there so easy, it's easy to get to. But last time we went, I was like I had to we got home, I had to lay down to rest. I felt like an old old man dad. I know. So I don't want to be a COVID alarmist or anything like that, but um, you know, man, it's good to get people's stories out there because somehow, for some reason, it's there's plenty of people who I I personally believe are being quite selfish with the way that they're treating the whole situation because they're kind of only how it affects them and not. Uh. I don't know, man, I just look at it is like a like a patriotic thing. I'm if we all just got a chip in we are done, like you know, World War two, you know, we rosid riveter my. I feel like, you know, when people that make it a civil liberties thing, I get you. I'm all civil liberties. I'm all for civil liberties. But I also drive on the right side of the road, even though I pay for the whole road, and I wear my seatbelt, and I go the speed limit. To bring up that, uh, that argument with the speed limit, it's like, well, you follow the speed limit, don't you, And that's someone asking you to do that. They're not you know, they can ticket you for it, but really, what's the speed limit. The speed limit is to keep everyone safe and to say, like, we all agree that this is a reasonable speed to go to keep everyone safe. And the other rule we have is don't be inebriated when you're doing there when they're driving, that's a rule. All those are public safety measures, that's all they are. And I think we've just politicized this, this particular public safety measure that's not hard at all to do. It's not so easy. Um, philosophically, I get the argument, but just from a tangible, daily life thing, how much it helps. I'm not a doctor, but if it helps a little bit, then it's worth it, I think. So I saw who went through it. I mean I definitely didn't get it at a rave or anything. I got it in the Missouri Breaks hunting with one other dude, you know. So my my, my example is not not great in that way. But um, just in general, everybody's talking about it. It's it affects all our lives. And after I got COVID, I started thinking, like what can I do for other people to make sure that they don't have to experience this because it was It wasn't just not fun, it was awful. Yeah, you got it bad. Yeah I got like even the physical and mental issues that I've had, because I got really confused a lot after it. UM had ringing in my ears and things like that. Still do UM, But just what I saw my family have to go through, you just on the back end because they all got it too. So dude, I just got a email from my father in law who has an acquaintance fifty seven years old, not even sixty, and she and her husband got it. She passed away. He made it barely. It's like this code is like a tornado. It just like goes into your town and like rex one house and pulls the shingles off another house, and rex the next house down the street, and like and then then how how we figure that out? Because I had been doing I had been taken zinc ightamin d, a huge dose of viightamin d as big as I could take, and a big dose of ighthum and see for like six or seven months to the point where I got COVID. So he's just doing that just to be preventative, just to be I never take I hate taking pills altogether, but I did for this because I felt like it was I needed to boost my immune system and say it's healthy. I could didn't help you, note then help me none. Oh. In fact, now I'm like vitamin D. We get vaccinated when it shows up, I think. But I'm in the immunity thing, so I think just for again, think about other people. I would, Oh, but let's just say if there's plenty for everybody, yeah, you're fine. Oh yeah, I mean whatever. I'd like to hear that. I want to get one too as soon as I can. But dude, I certainly would understand if somebody said, I'm a little nervous about it, but like, no, this is something to be nervous about, Like it's not something just to go well, yeah, I heard today that they had a couple of folks that have allergies that got their shot yesterday in Great Britain. They had some some bad. Uh. Vaccinations aren't like, aren't a thing that fixes it for everyone? It's it's yet another measure to, you know, take a step forward and how we fight it. But yeah, hopefully get to hurt immunity. Get that. We gotta get that hurt immunity. Well, you know, screw you COVID. We're moving on, I asked the eagle. We're it's been it's been a little while and you've been out there ripping it up in the woods and I don't even know, like what the successful what what's happened? Any Well, my November had late November, late October through November. I did have a couple of skonkers. I did. I'll be honest with you, like full bad haunts. You didn't, no, no, no no. I um, I had great haunts. Enjoyed myself immensely. But if you're gonna be like a YouTube commentator, it's like, don't even bother watching it because they didn't shoot nothing, then you're gonna be disappointed. But hopefully you know the people involved and just watching them do their thing. And I wouldn't even call them like we didn't really struggle. It just like didn't quite come together, you know, which happens a lot hunting tag I had man I passed like I don't know thirty or forty bulls on your first week. Yeah, you were there for a little bit, and then I went for four days thinking, you know, it wouldn't be that hard dialed in. I didn't see an elk what in four days? Weather or just you just weather pressure. You know when I was leaving, when I came and stopped in camp there for that one little morning I was leaving, there was a dude checking in like a three eighty bowl right in town there. That's what I was looking for. They were there around and you know, I keep telling everybody I'm not going to have a tag like that again for quite some time. So I had to give it my all to possibly come home, and I wasn't. I would have shot a much less than a three eighty, but like you know, even in those last four days, my goal was just to shoot a bigger one than I've ever had before, which is just yeah, I didn't know about that area in terms of trophy class. But after I saw I saw two two bulls and two backs of trucks, that was like whoa Yanni was? He was dialed in the right thing and plus and you just make a bet, man, like you just made a bet and I'm gonna stick into this. This is what I want. Nothing wrong with that, not wrong with that at all. What else? Uh? November, I was in Wisconsin, got to White to hunt my dad in the super Fun He got a shot, Um, I did not. I got very close. I drew back on a couple of bucks, but just didn't come together for me. Um. And then oh, I did go to Colorado and I got to hunt that season in Colorado, which number one, you don't get to do often. But this was even better because they their season structure just changed and so fourth season was roughly a week later than it's been for decades, I mean decades. So like everybody that got to hunt four season this past year and the next whatever four years, I guess until the season structure changes again, it's gonna be hunting later than they ever have. You know, third season is gonna be like what fourth season was. So it was really cool just to be able to like really witness full on mule deer migration and mule deer rut. I was gonna say, like, where was the rut? Do you feel like it was on the later on? Again, I had a lot of warm tempts this fall and we had them down there in southern Colorado too, and during when it was cool, if it was cloudy, if it was early, if it was late, it was on. But it just got warm enough every day that it just put them to bed, you know, and they would just be bettered down. And even then you get a buck, stand up and go push a door around here here there. But I just feel like, had it been instead of like hitting close to sixty every day, if it had only gotten like right at forty every day, I think we just would have had deer on their feet all day long. Am I one and a half pre COVID mule deer hunting days. There was deer everywhere, but it was fifty degrees and I just thought, give me a cold snap, and it's on. And then I got COVID. Never got to go back. They had the cold snap, and I had more people send me bucks they shot in that area than I would even thought I would know people that even would go there. So I'm I'm there in my COVID lockdown, going new I just want to I can hunt alone. Nobody would get coded from me if I never saw a person. Um, So yeah, frustrating, but I'm glad you got that done. That was a nice buck, dandy man, especially for her last day buck. Hell yeah, and again I had made a bet and i'd let like a buck that was very close to that buck passed the day before. And uh, let me just say this, there's a bravery, and there's a certain courage and bravery that comes with film and a hunt no wing. You need, you know, and you need an ultimately something for people to see some excitement, but still holding out anyway. So that's that's courageous, I would say, because there's there's a little bit of stupidity involved. When I was just a writer, back when I was working for magazines, there was the photo buck. What's this idea that if you got sent on an assignment story on a on a trip, that you needed to kill something to pay off the story good right in the magazine. So there's photobuck or photo bowl in any case, Like, if you saw something that was representative and you could kill it, you kind of had to. And I felt like that always changed the game. You know. Oh no, for sure, man ful film and stuff is it makes it, It adds in, it complicates it. I should say, well, we got some some asked the Eagle. We got a lot of Asked the Eagle emails, So thank you for everybody that that follows Janice on social media, and I think we got over emails from from folks, a lot of good stuff. That means, asked the Eagle, has plenty of material to continue in the future. So if we don't call you in the next hour, if you're out there and we haven't called you yet, we might we might be coming for you to get ready. But we have four excellent questions and callers and we're gonna try to as we do. And they asked the Eagle, reverse engineer the call in show where we call the callers instead of them calling us. So let's try the first one here. Hello this tray, Hey Tray, Beno, Brian jannistel Us. How's it going? Man? Hey, what's up? Guys? So you're in Ohio? Right, is that right? Yes, sir, I am in Ohio and you have a particular issue. I like this quiet, I like what you wrote it, I like what you emailed in because I feel like there's a lot of a lot we can do with this um. But say hi to you, honest the Eagle patel Us what's up, Tray? Hey Johnny, how's it going? Man? What's what's your question? Trey has been said. I'm in Ohio. Um I in two douan a teen. Just a little brief background two domon eighteen moved from Ohio to Colorado to live and work, um and just get involved in that lift style. Back in Ohio. Now, UM, I have a job offer again to go to Colorado. How long did you make it in Colorado the first stint? Not two years? Huh? And then what just a better job brought you back to Ohio. Yeah, I'm a geologist, wanted to work in remediation, got the opportunity, Uh, jumped on it. So yeah back in Ohio. No. Um so yeah, I guess it's more of a request for advice than a formal question. But um, you know, I'm wondering whether it's it's worth the trade to uproot my life again. Um, you know, move out west, that trade being low across the living in the Midwest has versus somewhere like Colorado. Um, you know for the hunting opportunities and lifestyle that the West provides. This is a deep one like this one. Yeah, it's tough because I did it and I love it. But Denver, Man, Denver is a tough Like if you said you got a spot up in the mountains, I'd be like, go for it. But Denver. Did you you lived in Denver when you when you were there? Yes, sir, that's the tough part. I was in Golden And the cost of living it's just it's just there. If you'd like to, like the breweries and there's like Mount Evans is right, there's a lot of good stuff right in there, but just the amount of people, a lot of people. Like I don't know how big of a town you live in in Ohio, but man Denver is like a big place, a lot of traffic. Not for me. Yeah you should. Where in Ohio are you? Um, don't have to guess your address, but like where are you and what's it like there? So I live outside of Columbus right now. Um, but I grew up on a farm in southern Ohio. So you know we have a big five acre farm that I can hunt on there. Um. You know I live close to the airport here. You know a lot of things I'm tossing around in my head, um about you know, if I do have that lower cost of living here, it's a lot easier. I have a lot more resources to put towards hunting. Are you well off enough? I imagine you are as a geologist that yeah, that's like being a picture in the major leagues. Oh man, that that that you can afford like an annual or maybe even a bi annual trip out west to uh enjoy some hunting. Yes, they're actually in fact, Um I got to do a decent hunt this past year. Um, so it's something I'm you know, hoping bi annual. Yeah. I mean even those of us that live here. It's like Ben Well, Ben had COVID issues this year, so he couldn't. I didn't get as much honey as he wanted to. We obviously, because of our jobs, we get to hunt more than the average. But I bet the average guy that lives in Montana he still only hunts out here a solid fourteen days, you know. I mean, sure he maybe get some more weekends thrown in whatever. But like, if you can pull off like a solid archery helk hunt in September and then maybe whatever, come out for a ski vacation or come out to do some beaver trap and whatever, flo it's your boat. Um, it just depends on how much you need of it every year, you know, because the two weeks of Western Rocky Mountain fun and my dad, that might be all you need. Pretty good. I do. I do like that, And I've always had that in my own head too. That's why I like this question maybe so much because it's helping me out too, because you can have, like you could have a nice little cabin out here. You save up, you know, get a little cabin middle of nowhere with some national you on an acre with some national forest nearby. Have that been a little homestead or just get a camper whatever, um, and spend like the time in the West where when you need to be here, you know, middle of September and early November or whatever, when when you're not chasing white tails. And I'll go back to the Denver thing again. It's like when you're if you're living like I lived up in Eagle County when I lived in Colorado, and there it was literally out my back door. So when you have the free time, be like, ma'am, you're in it. You know you're loving it. But Denver, I mean, sure there's foothills and this, that and the other, but it's just not the same experience for me personally. Um, you know, you haven't put in an hour maybe two three to get into the mountains and get away from people. Um. Yeah, my brother lives in Westerville. Is that near you? That's that's ten minutes away. Wow, maybe you know him. Um, but yeah, it's a cool like he Yeah, he enjoys living there. And there's big Bucks, you know, bos, big old Bucks. Yeah. Man, right, and that's you know, that's not Tonock, Ohio. And the hunting in the East coast, you know, it's it's something I would do even if I lived in the west. Um. But I like the idea of a camper. That's something I hadn't really thought about. You know, that's a good idea. And like, like you said, Denver is just that's crazy. And even the hunting is is crazy. You know, there's tons of people out when you go, so they are I think CPW is working on that. We hunted there in a unit that had been very, very crowded years past. And then uh they they made the archery licenses. Um, I just went away from being over the counter to a to a limited amount. It was still a lot of licenses but they basically made people choose, like where are you gonna hunt? You know, here, hunt there? And that really really helped, Like we didn't see a tenth of the pressure that we had seen years passed. So I think the CPWS working on, you know, spreading out that hunting pressure that people have been complaining about there for the last few years. But I don't know, man, I hope that helps. That's my take on it. I mean, it's not a bad choice if you had to pick one or the other. Denver's got some good It's got some redeeming qualities. Red Rocks is cool, you know, lots of Golden has a cool little downtown. I've been hung out there a little bit, but only as a tourist. I've never tried to like, uh, get around the commute times place like that. So yeah, I'd had to choose Denver just because I have family there if I was really pressed. But if I didn't have family, but I think I'd go with the you're married but no kids, right, you said, yes, they are married, no kids. That played a part in moving back from Denver two. You know, I want to be close to our family. I'm having kids here, hopefully within the next year or two. Yeah, I was gonna say, well, you know, don't be in a rush, take your time. But yeah, I also I feel like if you're in Denver and you were a single man, you'd be you'd have the prospects, but being married, didn't want to start a family. Small town life ain't bad for that. So um, well, hopefully we helped you at least. Uh. I wish we had a camper sponsor because we might have sold a camper. But beyond that, any other anything we missed here, anything we can do better? No, man, nothing you missed. Uh. You know, I really appreciate the time. And you know, it's a sort of an impossible question, but I really appreciate the advice. Now it's a it's a fun one to end. Either way you'll be you'll still be hunting, so there's no uh no downside there. Yeah, email us when you have a decision so we can follow up. Let everybody which way you decided to go. Please, I will thank you guys so much. I appreciate it. All right, Trey, thanks for averything. Man, talk soon, but thank you. Take care all right, Well, we may have changed the life, Johnnie, do you feel kind of like Oprah is right now. Oh man, I'm not familiar with Oprah enough to know if I'm feeling Opra is you don't you gave something to somebody? Yeah, I hope, I hope that it, you know, helped his decision making a little bit. Have you been watching the back Ford you have? You got it? You've been busy. Have you watched it? Yeah? Yeah? Did you see the episode where we replayed your sprits NG reaction? No? You replayed that? Yeah? Episode three? They were we had Tony Peterson on with Mark Kenyon and they were talking about how they were white tailed nerds and like they were relating to each other via oh you're a nerhenomin nerd is great? And Mark brought up that you know, you and Steve don't really understand the white tail nerd um like those two gentlemen do. And then we've replayed you last I think I understand it very well, partaking it, And so we replayed the bit about you laughing hysterically. When I think hysterically, it's a good that's a good description. No, that was a very genuine laugh. When I saw him spray the camera down, he touched the camera, So what happened was you guys were checking cameras while you're scorel hunting, and so he touched the camera and then removed. How did he even have a sent away spray? Did he have it like in his vest? No? But you know what, I'm gonna send him an f HF bear spray hole, sir. So it's always on his belt. He always has it? Yeah, I mean I didn't. I never thought about where did he keep it he's out hunting. Did he have a little I think he had a backpack and he had back cards and whatever else? Whatever else? He has flash cards? Uh U No, No, it's camera cards. Its camera cards. I thought maybe hed like big Buck flash cards. Uh so you laughed, Steve laughed, We all laughed. Everybody laughed. Um. And now we've got a couple of emails from people that saw that. We have three different emails from people who saw that. And I wanted to know what was going on. So we're gonna call joan named Mark. Let's see what he had to say. We've kind of already addressed this question, but we're gonna we're gonna dive deep into it here with Mark Hey, Mark, Mark, ben O, Brian, You hospitelis how's it going? What's up? Mark? Good? I got doing? Just living the dream man? What are you doing? Man? Just excited to be talking to y'all? Really all right, Well, we we're here answering questions and Yanti's changing lives um as always as always is getting it in. Um. We know. Yeah, we already kind of broached the topic of the Back forty. So just assuming that you've been watching the old Back forty yes, I have been for sure, okay, And you saw a scene there where Yanni was laughing at Mark, uh so yeah, take it from there, all right? Um so, and I think it was episode three of the Back forty Uh, Yanni and Mark and Steve we're out hunting squirrels and scouting out the land and Mark decided to take it upon himself to use that time to grab some trail cam cards. Um. And while he was buttoning up one of the cameras, uh, he went in head and sprayed the camera down with scent cover, to which Yanni's reaction, which is classic um um responding to to that to that scene. Now, I think I don't know Mark as well as y'all do. Obviously he probably has some O C D tendencies, um from what from what we can tell, but this obviously, this, this obviously broaches a subject that in my mind where um Janice, you certainly viewed that as a line and a visible line that was crossed and that mark maybe over did overplayed his hand there, and so it made me start thinking like, Okay, so maybe there is some thresholds that you can use when you do you should or should not be using the scent cover. And what are those thresholds um for you know, practical and impractical uses. And yeah, that that scene is just a lot of a lot of what you do and say. Makes me laugh at that one when I first saw it made me about fall out my chair when I watched it. So uh well, I think more than anything, he just caught me off guard. And it might even been the sound because it wasn't like a sprit sound. It was like a like it was air sold spray that that that he had in there and caught me off guard, you know in that moment, you know, like you said, we're out there squirrel hunting three dudes plus two camera operators. So we're throwing laying down some megacent and we're all standing right next to this camera and then to all of a sudden for him to like go next level because he didn't want, you know, and I understand why he wants to do it right, He like doesn't want that camera to smell like a human. And Um, Mark and I we actually did at Wired to Hunt podcast couple of days ago, and I was telling about how I had a dough that I know didn't catch my wind because I was so high in a tree. I was on a ridge and it was my wind was blowing, my scent was blowing off this ridge. Yet when she got to the base of that tree, she smelled something, and I think it was my climbing stick, you know. So maybe I should have taken, you know, mark slow approach there, and when I put up that first climbing stick, you know, spray it down and maybe it would have allowed her to at least passed by instead of spooking and going back the way that she came from, which may or may not have affected my hunt later. Um, but look, man, I'm no, I'm no Joe whitetail. Mark is. So he's got to answer the question about like the thresholds of you know, how far you can take it. And I think, you know, I'll speak a little bit from Mark, because I've heard him say it a lot, you know, to him, if he does it all and it happens to help just a tenth of a percent and it buys him a half a second or a second in the moment, he will do it, and he will gladly take it. Um. And he also tells me which this is. This This kind of hits home more than anything else. He's like, look, the guys that I know there are successful every year to kill him, mature bucks. All of them take their scent control very seriously. So um, and you know, maybe one day I'll get there. I hunted, you know, the white tail rut this year for seven days, and uh we bought some scent away spray. I think I quit spraying it about day three, but I know we kept our boots outside, all of our exterior hunting garments were kept outside. H you know, I was trying to minimize. But again, we're hunting always with two people, and I just feel like I can spend more time thinking about my setup and to what the wind is going to be doing, and just spend more time. I got a lot more to like dial in before I feel like the scent thing is going to really really help me. Yeah, there's two things here. One I think this is if you're a single species hunter like Mark seems to want to be, or is he is, you have time to like dive into the minutia because that's all you think about. But if you're like the rest of us who like to get out and hit a squirrel up every now and then, like like a nice waterfowl hunt, like the hunt maybe a mule Martin don't even know there's another deer in our country. They look the same they you know, they they're from the same stock. Um. So there's that part, like he has the time because that's always thinking about I don't have, Like your mind has to be awash with other things when you're trying to move around and do different have different pursuits. But also that's a rabbit hole, man. Once you once you allow yourself to obsess over every minutia as a part of strategy to kill deer, you can obsess over any little thing, and like you just said, get yourself off track, get yourself thinking about sprits and things and doing things that are helping a little and you're not thinking enough about the things that are helping a lot. And so I don't think Mark does that. But I think if if if you're just a normal hunter out there and you want to obsess over something, there there's some pitfalls. Is this helping Mark? Is this helping Mark? Yeah? No, that was great. I was just really helps getting your thought process behind that scene what was going on. But yeah, and they're getting the details. No, I really appreciate that. Thank you. I'll cap it off with this too. Making content and making entertainment. Uh, some friction can oftentimes be good and uh and and it it goes a long way and uh, you know, people love hearing Steve and I, uh, you know, get after each other or whatever have you know, a little discuss, a little discussions where we might not think the same way. And um, because if if you don't do that, then it just it ends up having a very monotone feel and everybody's just going agreeing with each other and it's not much fun, right, And not not only friction, but I mean I've been in another episode, I was really kind of rooting for you to kind of get one of the first deer out of the back forty and just seeing your reaction to Mark and being excited for him was really kind of a cool moment because I know you wanted to get a deer as much as Mark did, but when he ended up getting it and you're recognizing how much hard work you put into that entire project, it was just really kind of a cool thing that, you know, an opposite from the friction side of it, but really really speak to the community very well, and I think what you are trying to promote, Yeah, I mean to the to the point where you know we're gonna rib each other, and I'm I certainly I am the one who ribs Mark Kenyan more than anyone on the earth. I always say he's as a tall man's body and a small man and a short man's face. Uh. And he accepts. He doesn't get mad at me for said, do you take that, Johnnie. He's very He's like sneakily tall when he walks into the room. Yeah, he's six what two two or three? I mean, I guess I'm just maybe short, but when he walks. When I first saw him on YouTube, I thought, well, he must be a short guy. When he walked in the room, he was six three, and I just think he has a short look to him. His face looks short, like he would be a short man. So I give him all kinds of crap all the time, but he knows, And Yannie and Steve know that ultimately that you know, what we're doing is supporting each other. You know, through you wouldn't let anybody but your friend or someone you know loves you and support ship. You talk to you like that, treat you like you know, So it's not that understanding that helps it go. Well, Mark, thank you for watching all this stuff and hanging out with us. Thanks for asking questions. And this is one of my favorite scenes. Uh. And we did, I mean we wrote that episode. We were trying to figure out what would make that episode good. With that squirrel hunt. We wanted to try to play out the fact that Mark just didn't understand why you would squirrel hunt in September. It was real, he didn't want to. We had to force him to do it. We had to force him to do it. So nothing nothing prescribed about that. So thanks Mark, we appreciate it. Man and um have a good rest of you to good holiday, all right, y'all too, Thank you guys, Mark, But the fact for he's over. Man, it's it. I know it's a little sad, huh A little bit? Yeah? Is it public? Is everybody already know what the plan is? Well, what's this coming out? Yeah? Yeah, So by the time it comes up, people will know that we're donating the property to the National Deer Association formally the Quality Dear Management Association. That this is hard to get that had murdered Alliance now it was it was the National Deer Alliance. I see, I can't there's no way this National Disassociation. Because it was the Quality Dear Management Association and the National Deer Alliance, they merged to become the National Deer Association. See if you can get that straight, I think I just got it right. Um, we are donating that property, the sixty four acres and all the coutrement to the q d M A slash n d A UM and so we're real excited about it. There's a lot of content we're gonna make their UM. And it was good, man, it's a good two years in back forty it's good. It was good to kind of have a place where we had to tell we were locked in. You know, because the shows that you've done with Steve and that you're doing Mediator Hunts, you can go, you can travel with different dynamics, you know, different people, different characters come in with the back Ford. It was like, you have this land and and whatever Mark can do with it, and that was that was challenging, but in the end it was cool to kind of track it all through a couple of years. Yeah, there's pros to it too, Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, you know what you got every time. Yeah, and the plus you have history with everything and history that you've all recorded throughout that time. And we ended up kind of wanted to do it longer, but felt like there are a whole lot of other cool things we could do. All right, so we're calling. We're calling Chats here. It's Chaz Captain Chase by the bye. Hell, Hey, is this Chats or Chase? How do you say? C H A S. I can never pronounce anybody's names. Yeah, see that, I got it. Chatz, this has been and Brian and the honest tell us what's going on? Man? Hey, then what's going on? You know what's going on? Thanks for having me on. Yeah, no problem. We we just noticed that this as captain in front of your name. What kind of captain with that? Oh, ca, Yeah, so I'm a former U U S. Marine Corps captain. I flew at eight teams in the Marine Corps. I just got out of the air or Marines and I'm in the International art now still as a captain. Now I apply of sixteen And you had offered to in your email be the privately if we ever got like a media to private jet, that you would be the pilot. Is that right? Oh man? Talk talk about dream opportunity, dream experience, dream job. Man. Yeah, if that ever happens, I'm your guy. Please don't lose my number. If anybody for the churning groups listening, so hold on. Is that you're just general plan that after you're done doing all this service that you'll then just beat you'll become a pilot in in the private space. Yeah, so in general, And what moost guys do is uh when when they get out of active duty and active service and they have uh um a required number of hours built up flying the military aircraft, you'll then get out and be eligible or competitive to apply for major airlines. You know, all your all your major carriers for your airlines or private pilots, what have you. Uh, So that's what I'm doing now. So in the National Guard, I cannot be opera tue to be a part time military pilot and still fly for the airline as well. Because of what's going on now, I don't have you know that many places aren't accepting any applications at this time, just do to do to you know, be obvious, Uh, you know, pandemic and so forth. So guys like me are having a hard time getting those kinds of jobs. Luckily we have the military as a backup. But it's just just scarce jobs in the pilot industry in general. Because does anybody ever say the hell with commercial and just move up to Alaska and run a bush plane for a few years. You know, I don't know personally anybody who's done that, but it's looking like it's looking more and more appealing. Yeah. Yeah, as a guy that flies around some super badass planes really really fast that do amazing things. When you look when you know a guy, or you look at the whole like bush pilot scene, what's your take on that like, because because for a lot of people, like a bush pie, it's kind of like very very cool to me? Is the ultimate bushpot always does an F sixteen pilot also look at a bush pilot someone cool or or what like what's your take, like a garbage truck driver? Like, yeah, a good question. I never really thought about it, like in detail, like, Hey, what is the what is the ranking level or like level of coolness that you are as a pilot. I mean if I feel like if you're not, if you're not a fighter pilot, a bush pilot's the next coolest thing on the list, or it might even be cooler. I'm not sure, but I don't know if anybody personal who's done the job. Uh, the very few guys I've met who have done that stuff when we do, we've taken because we've taken the fighters up to Alaska. There's a lot of range space up in Alaska Fairbanks that we've used. So that's the only time I've ever been to Alaska is doing that stuff. But we we get to hang out with those guys sometimes because they're they're all over the place. Uh, and they're I mean they're your blue collar you know, um, your heroes of the sky. So I mean they're very cool dudes. Yeah, I mean It's good to hear because I I've I've really have a lot of heroes that are like mustachioed, flannel wearing bush pilots, A lot of them, A lot of them like the guy, the guy who found Timothy Treadwell. I can't remember his name. He's cool. Met him one time. UM, A lot a lot of skills, at least when I when I when I look at it, you know, the places we've been dropped off and picked up from. UM, I'm always very impressed with what they're doing with those little planes. Oh yeah, I was in Northwest Territories one time and the floatplane pilot was the you know, He's like, oh yeah, we go back and forth and we do this, We run this route, you know, three or four times a day, and we do that six six months out of the year. I thought, the level the danger of that that person goes through in a daily basis is unbelievable, which I'm sure is the same for a fighter pilot or were much worse. Those bush pilots are fearless. They have to be. I feel like, yeah, is there a level of fear and what you do? I my brother in law runs runs fighter jets but he seems like a pretty just level headed dute. He never really talks about the feeling of getting up in the air like that, you know, if I'm sure everybody would tell you something different how they talk about it. But I mean, if you think about it, if you're every time you go up, you're not just we're not just flying someplace, you know, point A to point B. We're not just flying the airplane. We're doing you know, mission sets, running systems in the airplane, running weapons systems, And there's an objective every time you go up. So maybe if you actually sat back and thought about the big picture of what you're actually doing, maybe it was scary a little bit more. But you're always so busy doing something that maybe you don't have time to be frightened by at all. But I mean, um, usually, you know, you're so well prepared to go out to do those things, and and and you prepare long before and your brief and and you think about it and you and your practice, so when you go do it, you're not really thinking about being scared. Maybe later you look back and go, hell man, maybe I should have been scared here, but not in the moment. You know what I mean similar podcasting. Yeah, that was awesome, man, thank you so much. We're calling him and tell us all and uh, what's so it's open we can go down rabbit holes here. No, we're gonna let We're gonna let the chas on to ask this question. Now. I grew up in Maryland, not too far from Pennsylvania. Where in Pennsylvania are you, Jess? I'm from from near Pittsburgh, so a little town called Late Trobe. You guys might know it for rolling rock beer and Arnold Palmer Palmer the beverage or the guy are both? Uh, the Arnold Palmer the guy. Okay, I'm glad I now know how to pronounce that Trobe Trope. I've driven through there a few times, but never it never been How did you say chats? You didn't say La Trobe. You said La Trobe. So people who and I get this almost every time, people who are from there typically say la Trobe. If you're not from there, you say Latrobe. So I don't know if it's correct one way or the other, but that's if someone's from there, they say at one, yeah, you pick up your oh's the way that that folks from where I come from do Ohs you know, Orio Natty bo. That's that's how we that's the that's the uh the classic East Coaster all man. Yep, yep. Someone call it a Pittsburgh accent. Yep. It's like it's Baltimore, Pittsburgh. It's like that region. Coincidentally, I bought a thirty rack of the rolling Rocks for our most recent uh elk hunting trip out to eastern Montana, and uh yeah, well they weren't big hit. Two different people cracked one and it must have been a long time since they had a rolling rock, and they went, is this stuff okay? I'm like, well, I mean, I'm like, yeah, you mean the skunkiness, Like it's supposed to have like a little bit of like not quite Heineken, but it's got like a little micro skunk to it, and uh yeah, it's it's anyways, more than half that gate rack is still at my house, Jaz, have you ever coming to Montana, It'll probably still be there. Oh no, no, no, I'll make sure finds a home. All Right, we gotta get to the actual questions here. We digress, but that's podcasting. Um you had a good question, Chazz Fireaway okay, so, um, so I've Pennsylvania whitetail hunting. My dad and I we have a camp in northern Pennsylvania that we go up to and we we go down to the same spot almost every year. We walk from the road down into the woods maybe like a mile uh down to sit near near a river, the Clarion River to be specific. So it's not it's not that far in. It takes us about an hour walk down, fully loaded with all our stuff. The terrain is not terrible, but it's it's um, it's not. It's not an easy, super easy walk in. It's not like what you guys do up in the mountains and everything else. I mean, you can't even compare it. But every time we shoot a deer, uh we we we got it out and we dragged the hang out and it takes us, you know, almost the whole afternoon to do so, especially because my my dad's you know, seventy two years old. So I do all of that stuff. So when we both shoot one, which happened this past year, I do all of that, which which I'm happy to do. But uh, I've never skinned and quartered the animal in the woods to try and pack it. Out. I'm wondering should I just be doing that and make my job slightly easier carried on my back rather than try and drag it through the woods. So if you were me, would you skin it, quarter it, pack it out or would you drag it and take and then hang it back at your hunting camp to drain and everything before you skin it and cord it? What do you think? This is my childhood? So but I'm gonna let I'm gonna let u Yanni take take the first crack. Um. Yes, you should get and you should start skinning and corning. Oh my gosh, listen, I think is a place for dragging beer. And if it's mostly downhill or flat and it's not far, but what Chase just described it sounds like it's uphill a mile approximately. Man. Back in the day Nebraska, you couldn't actually quote room. You had to check them in a hole. And so I a couple of times had drags that had to go up and down a ridge and then back up to the road or something like that. And the same thing. You're just like, you can't train for that. I mean, it's just like the workout of all workouts. You just gotta strip down to your the bass layer, have like special gloves because you're gonna be like, you know, holding that rack and a hundred different positions by the time it's all over. And if you don't have like your rope system exactly dialed in, like, man, it is just so much work. And the way I look at it, too, is that like, as long as you're gonna keep it on the bone, I don't think you're really sacrificing too much by doing it in the field then waiting, you know, lend it hanging for two or three four days, and then skinning and then a quartering. Sure you're gonna get a little bit of dry crusted on the outside that you're gonna you know, cut off and lose that meat. But I look at it like you're you're you're gonna have to do that work at some point anyways, Like you got your deer, get it done, you know, and if you do it right and take your time, you do it nice and clean. U'm sure you gotta pack some game bags, um, but I mean, heck, a white tailed deer can fit in just about a single game bag, um, maybe two, so you're not really packing that much extra with you um, so, yeah, I'm a hun percent with you, and I'd like to just add to the counterpoint before ben um goes here, that Spencer new Hearth, one of our local white tail experts here, a meat eater. He I told him he's got to give the white tails a break, because I think he's killed like four or five with shure box this year. I'm like, don't you want to broaden your horizon a little bit? You know? Yeah, he did a really nice one, probably drug it to the truck. He probably did. Yeah, he had it. But he had a post recently where he killed one somewhere and he decided to quarter and pack it out on his back. And I believe the post says something along the lines of I'm paraphrasing, but like, I will be doing this a lot more. I can't believe I haven't been doing this, like it's the way to go. And I see a lot. I watched a lot of deer hunting YouTube videos this summer in preparation because I was gonna go hunt white tails very seriously for the first time in a long time, so just to get fired up and see, you know, see tips and tricks. And I saw a lot of videos where guys were in one mile maybe two miles, and they're leaving the deer to go get a cart or go get like a bunch of dudes to help him drag this deer. M man. If I was there, I would have had that thing quartered into the truck before your first got there to help you. Like, what's the point? Well, you know, listen, I agree. I agree with jazz. You can give me some tradition bullshit. Yes, here's what, here's here's and I think a lot of people in Pennsylvania, Maryland where I came from, you go through this this progression when I was, when I was a youngster. Yeah, just just to stick with me here. When I was a young man, we started hunting. I believe the progression was we were in the beginning. We would drag the deer out by its antlers. One guy takes one side, one guy takes the other side. You generally would want to grab it down towards the base between the brow sign and where the main beam goes. What would you do if it was a doll by the legs, Then you grab by the legs. It's a little harder the legs front legs, each um and so you start that way, and we had a couple of instances where we literally dragged the deer so far all the hair was gone on once. Have you ever had that chats where you dragged it so far that all the hair was gone on one side? Yeah, yeah, everybody's we've all been there except for Johnny. Well, yeah, because where I grew up, it was I guess we're always just hunting oaks, and it just seems like you're always dragging them through six inches of oak leaves and those things slide very well. Yeah, we would be dragging deer through creeks, up and down hills, over ridges, through you know, through meadows. It's just the longer you do it, the more you're just gonna end up with like just hide on one side, and that's not great. You don't feel great about what you've done to the meat or the deer when you're hanging up and one side is mangled like that, you don't you don't feel like that. So that's how we started, because I'm gonna get to the end goal of the traditional part here. But and then we progressed to the drag rope and and Chads will probably know this too, that there's a rope that has an orange harness on it, right, I haven't a couple. You put the harness over your shoulders and then tie that too, so you can either have one dude with eat one loop each on a shoulder, or one guy with two loops on his shoulders. And then he dragged the deer out that a way. It's much easier. It's like it's it's a bit more of a compatible physical movement because you're not just dragging something. You're just running forward and the things behind you. And then you get to a log and you're like, son of a bitch, you're any kind of impediment. So that we went to that next, and then we got smart and we got a cart. Now you mentioned the going we would when we hunted, like deep in public land for white tails. We would take the cart in with us, put all our gear and packs on the cart, drag the cart in across a creek with the cart stashed the cart, put some leaves, and should have whatever ever go up to our hunting spot, and then have a three yard walked down to get the cart. One the deer was dead, and that revolutionized getting the deer out of the woods. And this is you know, late nineties, early too thousands revolutionized the O'Brien family getting the deer out of the woods system. And so I think we stayed with the cart for a long time. But again, if you're not walking on a trail, a cart's not fun either. Now you got to get wheels up over a long instead of just flopping a deer over there. But at the end of the day, the deer looks nice, pristine if it's you know, lashed to a cart instead of drink through through the timber. So that's where we got and then eventually, um, we never I don't think growing up we ever quartered a deer out that I can remember. We always got it to the truck and we had skinning parties in the garage in my house, and that was like the thing that I remember the most, hanging that deer up by the game rules and skinning it out and drinking beer when I was old enough. And so it's having a deer drinking natty bow. Stro's natty bows? What's the bow and natty bohemian? Is that right? Yeah, we were just talking about that last episode, but is it natural bohemian? Yeah, that's what it is national bohemian, national bohemian. I can't believe if there's a beer out there, never natural. Yeah, I think it's natural bohemian bohemian. I've never heard of it. I've never heard of it. N you gotta get it, we gotta do, we'll do. I need to uns out of you need to be East coast to get it, I guess. So, yeah, that's yeah. You got a boot like that to Montana, which I've done. I had a caggy yongling at my wedding. You did in North Carolina. They were getting off topic of game. But anyway, hanging up a deer and the gambles in the garage with a tarp and a bunch of buckets for people to sit on and one guy skinning and everybody talking ship and being like a party is so different than just described like my experience, my entire hunting experience that I just did like two weeks ago. I can send you pictures of this exact thing, please do. Yeah, and there's buckets. You don't sit on chairs, You sit on buckets. Why because that's what's in the garage tar the garage blue tart was the tart blue? How well? How how far after you see, I didn't even never never met Chats in my life. I know everything about what he does over there. Yeah, I think tarp soldier blue guys. There's green tarps and gray one. Hey, but how far when you guys have a skinning party, what's the end result with the meat? Like, how far do you take the process? Oh, you go down, you go down to just the bones man, and you can also take you're pretty much butchering and wrapping your meat at that point. Yeah, but basically so you don't think you guys could just just sw just pivot just a little bit and kind of skip the skinning part on the gambrel and just have your table there and and slap down four quarters and start chopping. I'm gonna let Chazz answer this too, But I think it's like gathering around a fire. Right that deer hanging is like something to gather around. It would be like a pile of meat no longer has that. It would be like lighting flour candles or having one big camp fire, And I just like to gather around the campfire. Does that make sense? Chazz I would agree. I would agree, especially if you're coming from a from a hunting camp with a bunch of guys up there, who after the first day you can stand around, you know, admire, admire your your day's work, and drink some beers and hang out with the boys Like that's that's kind of a that's an experience in itself which is enjoyable and you kind of I guess youn't have that if you're just like, hey man, check out my cooler full of deer. But true, that's true. Yeah, I mean I have a micarage now at butchering table. Say it's an experience, Yeah, it really is. You're right. From a practical standpoint, You're right. Yeah, You're just gonna have to weigh how much you want to have that experience of that buck hanging there and everybody hanging around and admiring it. Because I will say, like a great memory of mine and a thing we still do every year in Wisconsin. The years that we do, you know, kill some deer, but there's a meat pole and it's like a great picture when you look back on it and you're like, oh my god, remember seventeen we killed four bucks and eight does over the weekend, Like that was great. And there's the whole group of people standing in front of it. Everybody that attended that you know that year. Um. So yeah, there's there's something beautiful about a buck on a meat pole, um, or just a deer, you know, hanging off a meat pole. But you just have to decide. You have to weigh do do you want to go through that pain of dragging it uphill mile to get that uh, five or ten minutes hanging around ampiring it. Yeah, my house, we would be my dad. We would take I feel like we would often take the backstraps off first and they would go in and be like frying them up in the kitchen while the rest of the work was done. And by the time you were done, you had a nice like a little snack, a little thing. So I just have such fond I remember like hunting as a kid was more about that skinning party than it was about the It was a hunt itself. So hopefully it helps Jazz. I feel like, if you want to be practical, uh and pragmatic, then you go with Yanni. And if you want to you know, you be emotional and then and traditional and you go with with me. Does that that help? I'm at least trying to Janni's way once because making making multiple trips to to go get all to take off all your heavy clothes, to come back down to drag a deer out, another trip down to get another deer. I mean, I'm doing it. I think I'm gonna try it the honest way. So uh and if it's if it's not sentimental enough for me, I'll go back to it. But I'm at least gonna try it. So thanks very much, thanks for the input. I'm gonna you know, I'm gonna change my ways. Send me a picture of a bunch of Jews on buckets, sitting sitting around a single quarter hanging from the raption. Maybe it works. We never know best both worlds all right, thanks Jazz, appreciate it, man, Thanks for the college has good guys, thanks for having me on much appreciate it. So, yeah, how's a good one. I like that one, Yannie. I feel like that we learned we all learned something about each other. Yeah, for sure, for sure. So I I yeah, I don't even have the opportunity to pack it the yar out like that anymore, which is kind of sad for me. I was such a dragger when I came to Colorado and my first fall ever up at pat Country Outfitters up there and yump him. Um My buddy Jimmy had shown up, who was a previous guy. He didn't got anymore, but he showed up. He had a cow tag Muzzleloto cow tag. So you know, I only showed up there in August. I was very new to this place and these people. And uh he shoots a cow, guts that leaves it up on the hill, comes back. We kind of like have dinner, put the clients to to the bed, and we gotta go get this cow. And uh he of course he and along with everybody else is thinking, well, we'll just run up there with you know, frame packs and we'll quarter it out and walk down off the hill. I'm like, hold on, it's just right up on this hill behind camp. Get you know what we do in Michigan this tie a rope to it. And because what we would do with the dough is actually take the front legs and kind of make like and put them together with the head and neck. Because if you don't do that, you got the heads kind of flopping everywhere and getting caught on everything, you know, So we'd make a little bundle and I'm like, Jimmy, how big is this cow? Was not a great big cow? Oh my god, Yeah, no problem, let's go dude. I mean that was just a full on exercise and it was downhill the whole way, but aspen logs everywhere. You know, it would get going too fast down the aspen leaves and take people out. We had a hell of a time. We laughed a lot, and who did a lot. But I can tell you that was the first and last elk drug off of a mountain out of that camp. Yeah, I just you know, even in my own in my life now is I'm trying to you just moved to Montana. I'm trying to set up like how when I kill something? What do I do? Right? I got a big butchering table in my garage, stainless steel and all the things I'll the there. And man, did I miss the gambrels this last couple of times I brought home quartered animals. I missed it. So this fall, I'm gonna get some gambles, like a three pole like TP looking gamble system and put it on the concrete path in the side of my house so in case and I'm and I really around Montana. Wherever else I go, I want to find places where I can't get the whole animal out. So just that's called private ranch hunting ball. Oh yeah, is that right? Oh yeah? Because all you have to do is go down to Yellowstone Game Processing, which is right there at the exit when you're going to my house. Yea, and uh hang out there for an hour or two. And they received lots of whole elk really like guys are wenching them into trucks. Ye oh yeah, really that seems insane. The only time this has ever happened to me. I was actually the first elk I ever killed. I think was over here. It's like a decade ago or twelve years ago by Lake Ennis. Was on a hunt. Shot a bull right by Lake Ennis, right and just right before the public land there in a private ranch, and we were literally hiking up. It was my dream to hike up into the Madison Range and go hunt. It's I'd never been to Montana before, is my dream to go hunt in the Madison Range. We didn't even make it to the mountains. We were in some damn agg field overlooking the lake and here stands a bull just by himself. With a bunch of cattle, and whenever there shot him, dude drives out. He's got a flat a flat top pick up and like he gives flat bed. Flat bed, yeah, flat bed, and he just gets his wench out and and drags this thing over there, puts it in his flat bed, and awfull we go. And I thought, you know, that wasn't what I was looking for experience wise. I'm glad I got this elk, but you know, this is what I would have done. Then we hung it up in some big pole barn and they skinned it, and then it was just it didn't feel like the elk. Contin I was looking prototypical, your real picky. You want that for white tail deer, but you don't want that for elk. You're right, see, And I like it going back to Ohio versus Denver. You know, it's a little bit of Ohio, a little bit of den in there, a little bit of Colorado, a little bit of Ohio. All right, man, well, I like asked the eagle. I feel like we're just gonna keep were done. Yeah, we're done. We've hit the we've hit that time. Kids, We've got to go. Yeah. That was fun. Those were good questions those were and I really do like asked the Eagle. I think people out there like it. We've got another hundred emails to draw from. So if if you didn't get it this time, if you didn't see Yanni's social post, then emails your question t h D at the media dot com and label it asked the Eagle, and we'll get it in the rotation for what it's gonna be a monthly affair here at the Hunty Collected because I have fun doing it. Remember, there are no stupid questions, but there are good ones and bad ones, and entertaining ones and boring ones. So uh, if you want to make it on here, think it through a little bit, as we say, with not to sharp moments, not too long but not too short, just the right length and the right intention. You know what I was told in a h email the other day, Steve Janice remy at all, So he's addressing you as well, Ben sure his first sentences as gentleman that don't seem to value brevity and then spoken and written word. I hope you will bear with me and endure the length of my email. That is a great way to kick off an email because he's kind of he's kind of like punching in the face, but at the same time giving you a hug, which is how we treat each other. Yeah, and so like obviously you're gonna read his email. Yeah, you're like, well, what's this guy got to say? That's so damn important and we should have him all he was. I don't know if it just took him a while to get through the Medeor podcast, but he had. He had listened to the Meat Tree episodes. And I want to write in about that. I won't get into that, but I actually value brevity immensely when I write. I'm one of those people that I take it to heart to try to never use the word very because I figured that there if you want to say very excited, there is a word that means in the English language that means very excited that you could use instead. But when it comes to producing television that we do, brevity is key. It's like, if you have somebody that's long winded and can't get a point out succinctly, it's gonna make it tough to edit, man, and um, it just gets boring, you know, and you kind of like you have to realize that you don't always get everything that you want, but it's more important, more valuable just to have stuff clipping along, moving along and uh and yeah, so anyways, being able to being able to say what you mean in a podcast sense, we just like to talk and that's what that's what this is. But be in the written word, being able to say what you mean without having to bemoan the fact being able to clearly can slisely express your point is a skill and the written word, but also in the TV show Hunting World, where you're trying to explain something but you don't have a lot of a lot of time to do it, and you've got to get right through it and move on to the next thing. And it's got it all. Everything has to build on itself. So there's a lot in this world. But yeah, keep him short, keep him concise. You now you know what Yanni likes. Now you know what he likes, and and he's and and he's a stickler about who comes on and asked you might to have a T shirt that just says brevity, But it's that's all it says. That's just a brevity period. All right. Well, we're very very happy, very very very happy to have you every time, Yannio. Thanks Ben. It's always a pleasure to be on and appreciate all the folks right now with their question. Yeah, this is one of my favorite things we do and we're gonna keep doing it here at the Hunting Collective. Say bye your honest Ah, that's it. That's all another episode in the books, one fifty six. I'll get the number right this time. Thank you to Janice, Thank you to everybody that called in. Thanks for your service. Captain chaz Uh. It was great to hear from everybody, And to those folks that we did not get to, um, including my good friend and I want to read you an email from one of our We we did not get to a gentleman named Tim King who had a good story for us. Um. We didn't get to him. So apologies to Tim King UM. And he emailed me, Hey, you didn't call me. What's up man? And I said, oh, sorry, we we just ran out of time. We had to vacate the studio. And his reply was, that is really unfortunate. I was looking forward to talking with you guys. I even took some time off work and turned over a customer with a knife sailed to a co worker. This is the closest I have come to meeting a hero, and the old saying reigns true. I guess don't try and meet him. You will end up disappointed. Thanks for all the content during these trying times. Everyone appreciates it. Ex Cult follower Tim k. So we lost a guy. We we lost somebody. Phil, I replied to him, uh, and just said, Tim, I feel deeply responsible to make this up to you, so in time I will until then be your own hero. I'll keep thekool aid on nice until you return. Best Ben O'Brien. So, Tim, if you're listening, maybe you're not listening because we've we've upset you so much. We apologize. We will make it up to you on the next asked the Eagle segment, next time around, and everyone else I wrote in the other over a hundred people that wrote in with questions for us. We're gonna do as many asked the Eagle segments as we can do. So we have those in the hopper. So watch out for an email from me or a phone call for me to set it up for next time. So thank you for that. And next we have two more shows, Phil, two more shows in and um the first one is Clay Newcomb. We got Clay Knwcombe coming up next week. Now Clay is gonna you know, if if folks haven't heard since the last time he's been on the show, he's joined Meat Eater. He's now a meat eater, a person who works at meat either uh. And we're very very very happy to have Clay. Clay's a fantastic human and so next year we're gonna have him on into pretty regular cadence for a segment we call Guard the Gate. Guard the Gate is a segment that you're gonna hear and if you if you don't know about that, go and listen to his first appearance on the show and you'll learn all about that. But you're gonna be hearing a lot more from Clay, including next week where we talk about faith in the outdoors and depth. We're talking about guarding our pursuits from folks that would love to take it away. So we'll be here next week. Say by if Hill goodbye, you know, because I can't go a week without doing rung without you and rung drinking out right drinking

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